balance-feedback-discussion

[keen plover]

Carno with fractures :O

[dusky surge]

why did you call carno the pachy of the isle if we already have the pachy of the isle

[narrow lodge]

Pachy? Never heard of it

[dusky surge]

both animals suck ass btw and need entire goddamn overhauls because why are they like that

[narrow lodge]

Both suck, but Carno is playable...poor pachy

[keen plover]

Pachy just needs simple changes and it's done

Like changes they could do in a day

[narrow lodge]

Stun on fracture is all it needs, and it's good again

[dusky surge]

carno is literally in its most awful state ever and i seriously don't know why tenonto needed 3 seperate nerfs to tail slam damage but carno's charge stays exactly the same

[keen plover]

I'd do a bit more but yeah :)

[keen plover]

I still dislike slam

It's so telegraphed

[dusky surge]

update 4 was the beginning of the end where they did this

Sprinting Secondary Attack: Charge
Speed modifier increased.
Knockdown damage increased.
Stagger damage increased.
Cooldown removed.

same update where they nerfed its bite

this was another update where they nerfed tenonto

[narrow lodge]

Maybe fix its stamina, but honestly it just needs to be able to bone break without losing half hp

[keen plover]

I'd make it more cruel and let it turn Omni and eventually Dilo to paste quicker

Update 4 pachy my beloved. Omni matchup was perfect then :)

[narrow lodge]

Already does it, unless the Omni is really good but that's only because they made Omni too good again, it needs some window of punishment

[dusky surge]

dilo should melt in the presence of pachy

as should omni

[narrow lodge]

Dilo will probably melt, it doesn't have pounce

[dusky surge]

it should not be an animal they frequently consider

[keen plover]

That's if they punish Omni, yeah.

If not, let Pachy hit harder :)

Wait. With the new stamina system...

If bleed ramps up, then Omni can't solo hunt equal sized creatures at all :O

Or even larger

[dusky surge]

wdym by ramps up

[keen plover]

Requiring Omni to hold pounce to let bleed ramp up

Rather than tap pouncing

[narrow lodge]

Yeah, should be a thing. Troodon is the one that tap pounces

[keen plover]

Would make it so Omni hunts creatures smaller than itself solo

Which ngl, is what should happen

[narrow lodge]

I feel like it hunting pachy at extreme difficulty would be fine

[keen plover]

Yeah it's a possibility via bites

Baiting and attacking

Shouldn't be a "I tapped pounce you this many times, you're dead"

[narrow lodge]

Yup, anything bigger than that should be near impossible for solo Omni instead of just difficult

[keen plover]

Exactly. While fun to do as an Omni, hunting Carno's / Teno's solo is kind of unfair. Especially ones that do know how to buck.

[narrow lodge]

Oh nah, if they don't know how to buck it should very much be possible to kill them even with ramp up

Not easy, but possible

[dusky surge]

i mean, we also have news that omnis will be able to pin animals larger than them so

[narrow lodge]

Only in groups no?

Also technically they already did, Omni could pin Galli even when it was 525kg

[dusky surge]

but galli had a special exception

[narrow lodge]

Not sure what your point is, they could and can do it if they want

It's nothing new

[trim fern]

I still don't know how to feel about stego, I get the need for heavy hitting herbis but I also greatly dislike how easy it is to get absolutely decimated by them regardless of species. I run into the issue of getting stuck on their bodies when attacking being unable to move before they can get another strike in

I had a fully grown Cera and in a few hits from a juvi I was dead, I didn't have low health or a ton of bleed but it just ripped right through me.

I think why people are more so upset is that stegos are often incredibly aggressive players, often going out of their way to kill carnivores or even other herbis

[dusky surge]

they're keeping deino, stego has no reason to be removed

[trim fern]

Agreed

[dusky surge]

sure, but if you die to a stego, that's ENTIRELY your fault

[slim dragon]

You can only get killed by a stego if you're willing to

[dusky surge]

like stego is the least threatening animal in the game to me

i'm more scared of dryos than stegos

[trim fern]

Not when it's mix packing with a group of deinos and actively goes out of it's way to block you from food

[slim dragon]

That's a thing deinos can do alone

[trim fern]

I just wanted my food man

[dusky surge]

i once had to face a "mixpack" of gallis and a stego vs my teno

the stego was so absurdly pathetic i actually laughed

[slim dragon]

Stego isn't adding anything to the mix

[dusky surge]

its actually worse for the mix

another deino would have more health, more bleed resist and would be less likely to friendly fire

mixpacking with a stego as a deino is worse than just adding another deino

[slim dragon]

Isn't deino also faster than stego on land ? Or was that fixed ?

[dusky surge]

pre sure that was fixed, thank god

[slim dragon]

The fact deino can run at all on land is jarring to me

It's also way faster than it should be in water but that's another issue

[trim fern]

Even if it is worse, it does offer a distraction because getting grabbed by a deino is just automatic death

[dusky surge]

yea but another deino could also just be that distraction

[trim fern]

Nah

[dusky surge]

stego is ironically one of the worst mixpackers in the entire game

[trim fern]

I don't screw with deinos, their is no point

[dusky surge]

its so absurdly bad at collaboration, it's hysterical to think people want this to be a "herd animal"

[trim fern]

Because that's what it is in real life?

[dusky surge]

there's not real proof for that, and in The Isle, it's utter garbage at it

[slim dragon]

no

[dusky surge]

just honestly just terrible at it

[trim fern]

So what is the point of stego? Just big herbi? Does it have anything unique

[dusky surge]

honestly, no, it's really goddamn bad

like as an animal, it's arguably one of the worst in the game right now. The MOMENT a carnivore exists that is slightly larger than it, it will die (see: rex)

[trim fern]

I probably would change my tone if I played as one, but in my experience I've only seen skilled stegos mix packing to do carnivore genocide

Which fair

It's fun

But I really don't know how to counter them or not get stuck on their fat flabby bodies

[dusky surge]

literally atm stego will die to the first rex that sees it

its getting new attacks and whatnot just because of rex coming to unofficials

(to be real, it should've had more attacks from the start but whatever)

[trim fern]

So why aren't they getting rid of deino, I have literally only seen stegos kill deinos

[dusky surge]

no clue

[trim fern]

Bruh at the very least there should be an option to struggle out of a deino grasp

[dusky surge]

yea and then you make deino worthless

it's a very difficult compromise to come to because you risk making deino just garbage

and as deserved as that is, i am not a fan of revenge balancing

[trim fern]

Then no counter to deino other than culling them when small

[dusky surge]

or stego skillchecking them

[trim fern]

Fr

I don't want to see stego go, they are very important, but i don't know how to even add to them

They have an incredibly basic paleoecology and, to me, fits a relatively non existent niche

Well one that exists in modern ecology

Maybe like a bull elephant or something. But not many herbivores live solitary or in very small groups

Maybe moose?

Rhino?

[narrow lodge]

It attacks without exposing its weak spot....but anky also does it

[trim fern]

That's not that unique, I mean features like Cera bile

[narrow lodge]

If only the model wasn't created after they discovered stego had neck armour

That'd be fun

[trim fern]

:I

[narrow lodge]

You could technically make up anything for stego, since that's fiction

But that's besides the point I feel like

[trim fern]

It is still believable

That's the difference

[narrow lodge]

Kind off, but not really. You could make some believeble stuff for stego too

[trim fern]

Give me an example of something that stegos do not do that would be within the realm of possibility that is believable but not cliche

[narrow lodge]

I'm not a game designer

[trim fern]

It's hard

[narrow lodge]

they gave Hypsi blinding spit

[trim fern]

What even is hypsi irl, cause fair point, but the rest of it's design is believable

[narrow lodge]

I guess for now the most unique thing about stego will be the tail stances, since no other animal really will do that I imagine

[trim fern]

I imagine they could do a territory system or male stegos are aggressive and have aggression when around other males

Things like un controlled swings

Resting for a period of time gives a stam deplet buff that wears down slowly

You know from the thermo regulation they do with their plates or whatever

There are things that may work but I'd rather give to other herbivores

[coarse blaze]

Hypsilophodon is hypsilophodon

[trim fern]

Very cute

[coarse blaze]

Since it's hard to gauge soft-body tissues and such they're free to be speculative.

[dusky surge]

They're getting a big-ass, hyper violent uppercut swing attack

[coarse blaze]

Which I welcome

[trim fern]

Okay but where's the RP😩

[dusky surge]

wdym wheres the RP

[trim fern]

Non combat features

[dusky surge]

its a 6 ton animal with a goddamn medieval war crime strapped to it

[coarse blaze]

I wish to roleplay as a sentient morning star

[narrow lodge]

And tail stances, so they can actually hit stuff that's higher than their tail

[trim fern]

Okay but that's the same argument as what about the knives for teeth killing machine

I want wholesome dinosaur activities

Like sun bathing

[narrow lodge]

You'll have duck for that, eating weed

[trim fern]

Sun bathing stegos would interest me enough to play them fr cause rn there only purpose is to kill or be food

[coarse blaze]

That would be hella cute

[trim fern]

Exactly!

[narrow lodge]

Increased stam regen in sun could be nice
Though they're doing that with mutations already

[coarse blaze]

I saw that in the dev-stream omniraptor had an idle scratching animation and I'm curious if they're adding any additional smaller animations to help with immersion

[trim fern]

Screw being food foder I want to be a 6 ton cat

[coarse blaze]

I'm so God damn excited for sparring, all for the immersion bits

[trim fern]

I propose one herbivore be added have the exact personality as the ai boars

[narrow lodge]

I'm most interested in inter species sparring, as in young trike Vs adult diablo

Wonder how that'll look

[coarse blaze]

The trike would impale the dibble

Dibble is so, so small

[narrow lodge]

That's just trike

[trim fern]

No

[narrow lodge]

I said young trike...

[trim fern]

Tbh pachy right, mud wallow benefits

[coarse blaze]

A young trike would be possibly bigger than an adult dibble

[narrow lodge]

A trike won't spawn at larger than 2 tons

What are you talking about?

[trim fern]

Juvi? Still young

[coarse blaze]

So you're saying a freshspawn trike, not a "young" trike

If it's old enough to spar I'd assume at least juvi

[narrow lodge]

A fresh spawn will be like 200kg or less, I meant a young trike

[coarse blaze]

I don't think freshspawn trikes will even have developed horns if they're anything like how steg's thag starts out

I'd imagine sparring would have a % requirement, as much as I'd like to see younger species spar I'm not expecting it

[narrow lodge]

You can see how it'll look in concept art of trike, lemme get it

[coarse blaze]

I don't think I've seen the trike concept art

[trim fern]

I have a proposition at least one sauropod has to be like one of those retrosaurs that couldn't walk out of water cause they too heavy

They can be the hippos against the crocs

[coarse blaze]

A hippo niche would be hella cool

[narrow lodge]

Bottom left

[coarse blaze]

My god that's crusty

[narrow lodge]

Yeah...the website isn't too good

Ill try to find better quality

[coarse blaze]

I do see what you mean though

I'm not sure though if that's meant to be sparring

or if they're just fighting

[narrow lodge]

They're comparable size

So it's a young trike

[coarse blaze]

For sure, genuinely didn't expect it to have such large horns that young

If it stays true that is

[narrow lodge]

They're locking horns

[coarse blaze]

Locking horns isn't exclusive to sparring, both species would likely use their heads to fight regardless

plus they're thinking about Dibble taking less damage to the head meaning it'll also be what likely takes the hits

[narrow lodge]

Ok, tell me what sparring Is then

[coarse blaze]

Sparring typically in the animal kingdom revolves around the same species simulating combat, be it for practice or dominance. Normally the purpose of sparring isn't to kill the other opponent. A fair example would be something like rams.

[narrow lodge]

And why wouldn't that be what's happening in the picture?

[coarse blaze]

Normally it's solely a dominance thing for mates and or territory.

[trim fern]

Hey are we going to get sparring damage like broken horns?

[narrow lodge]

Probably dulled horns, doubt they'll permanently break

[trim fern]

Like incredibly rare but could happen as elders or what not

[narrow lodge]

I don't think that'd be a very fun mechanic

[coarse blaze]

They're two different species, they likely fight different outside of it all despite the similarities. Why would a trike "spar" with a dibble rather than just killing it? I just can't find examples of real-life species typically sparring with other species is all.

[trim fern]

I would like to think of it as more cosmetic

[narrow lodge]

Why would a dibble fight to death with a trike in the first place?

[coarse blaze]

Because animals are dumb

[narrow lodge]

Also, they're same genus. I'm pretty sure different species of foxes do do that

[coarse blaze]

I don't think foxes "spar" they gekker which is typically more along the lines of playing.

[narrow lodge]

They aren't, that's the thing. They won't fight to the death if they can

[coarse blaze]

You have to keep in mind the sheer amount of animals whose defense is to just scream instead of flee

[narrow lodge]

I've seen them punching eachother with their paws

[coarse blaze]

Again playing, they don't have hands.

Dogs wrestle one another all the time playing

[narrow lodge]

So dinosaurs can't do that? Also it definitely wasn't playing, more like bickering

[coarse blaze]

This conversation is getting a bit strange though, I genuinely think we're losing plot here. We'll just agree to disagree, I don't think different species sparring makes sense and that's all.

[narrow lodge]

I think it absolutely does, especially if they're the same genus

[dusky surge]

AI boars my beloved, best implementation of AI this game will ever see, it's all downhill from here (AI dinosaurs 😔)

[trim fern]

They are beautiful creatures of spite and unparalleled rage

[narrow lodge]

Considering this, Bison 🦬

[trim fern]

We need to commemorate them in an herbivore so aggressive and so evil no one will stop complaining about them. The carnivore suppresser

[narrow lodge]

Just so juvis get wrecked

[dusky surge]

too big, me no likey

[narrow lodge]

I want ceras to dread being born

[narrow lodge]

Fair, it's a little bigger than I thought

Grizzly?

[dusky surge]

still too big

fave part of AI is the fact there is no universe a rex can survive off it

[narrow lodge]

It's only 3x the boar weight

It's not that big

100kg Vs 300kg max, it could be even smaller, like 200kg

[trim fern]

Boars weigh 300 pounds irl

That's massive

900 is half a ton almost

[narrow lodge]

Yeah, boars are bigger than people think

[trim fern]

Bison are over half a ton

[narrow lodge]

Bisons can get over a ton

[trim fern]

The largest can peak at 3000 pounds

[narrow lodge]

That's why I think it's too big, but brown bears sound good

[trim fern]

No lmao

[narrow lodge]

Why?

[slim dragon]

I don't think apex predators fit in this setting

[trim fern]

Half a ton is wayyyyy too large

[slim dragon]

Because the only reason they exist is because there's nothing bigger than them

[narrow lodge]

...brown bears don't weigh half a ton

They weigh max 300kg

[trim fern]

Yes they do lol they can get extremely large

[slim dragon]

Since a bear is pretty much the same size as an omni, it's absolutely screwed

[narrow lodge]

Polar bears get to half a ton, brown bears are smaller

[trim fern]

1,300 pounds

That's not small

[narrow lodge]

Where are you finding that?

[trim fern]

That's peak

[narrow lodge]

I'm finding that they range from 400-600 pounds

[trim fern]

There are large disparities in bear weight due to land quality

[narrow lodge]

And why can't we have a 300kg one?

[trim fern]

Because they would be starved out

[narrow lodge]

What?

[trim fern]

Bears require large amounts of food intake

[narrow lodge]

Yeah, but they're not carnivores

[trim fern]

But besides that who's putting them on a freaking island!

[slim dragon]

Bears would be out-competed by everything on the island

[narrow lodge]

Not sure why the land wouldn't have enough food, when it has enough for trikes

[trim fern]

Do bears eat grass

[narrow lodge]

And how boars aren't?

[thin mantle]

It’s actually hilarious how much weaker than something like in game Omni a Grizzly bear is

The power scaling of isle creatures is quite entertaining

[slim dragon]

Because boars can eat things dinos can't
And they're overall much more adapted to living with competition than bears

[narrow lodge]

Fr, funny thing to think about. A polar bear vs an Omni tho-

[trim fern]

Bears get bodied by wolves all the time

[slim dragon]

They're also (supposedly) faster to be able to escape things
Although in-game they're mind-numbingly slow

[thin mantle]

Omni dominates easily

[narrow lodge]

No they don't

[slim dragon]

Omni pins polar bear
End on the fight

[trim fern]

They literally do

[narrow lodge]

What are you on about

[narrow lodge]

Too big

Let it pin pachy first

[thin mantle]

Pachy is larger than your average polar bear

[slim dragon]

500kg is the top size for a polar bear
Average is smaller

[thin mantle]

Technically large males can get up to 700, but that’s like considering 13 ton trexes as the average

[slim dragon]

Arguably omni in-game is much heavier than it should be, but here it is

[thin mantle]

Omni also has the acrobatics of a 50kg animal

[narrow lodge]

Largest polar bear was nearly a ton

[thin mantle]

And the bone density of tempered steel

[narrow lodge]

Where's that 500kg coming from?

[trim fern]

Browns bear in direct competition with wolves will absolutely fight if there is not enough food, and since there is little to no ai food to begin with the wolves in this case is raptors

[thin mantle]

It’s the average

[narrow lodge]

Yeah, still can't get pinned

[thin mantle]

Still gets effortlessly destroyed

Omnis can solo carnos lol

And polar bears are slower than Pachys on average

[narrow lodge]

Are we talking game mechanics now? Because I'm sure polar bears would have something decent then

Because an Omni sure as hell wouldn't touch a Carno irl

[thin mantle]

Well I’m sure if you implemented polar bears in game it would be duoing apexes due to poor valance

[thin mantle]

Omni is an entirely fictional animal, and real carnos are actually weaker than isle carnos….so yknow

[narrow lodge]

You're talking as if that's a fact

[trim fern]

Also how do you fit jungle with artic?

Like fr

[narrow lodge]

Real Carno is heavier, also there's a lot of fictional stuff in the game

[trim fern]

Or large plains animals onto islands

[thin mantle]

Real Carno can sustain an astronomically less amount of physical damage before dying regardless

[narrow lodge]

Yeah, why do we have trike even in the game? Give us Quetz and dwarf saurpods only

[latent bay]

Real carno's face would look like the aftermath of an orange in a juicer after attempting not even half as many charges as isle carno can

[thin mantle]

Basically

[narrow lodge]

Exactly my point

[latent bay]

So then how does that make isle carno < real carno power wise?

[thin mantle]

That’s the opposite of your point, irl Carno is far weaker than IG Carno…hence why an Omni absolutely would be attacking irl carnos if it had access to them

[narrow lodge]

I'm not saying that, they're not comparable

Why are people assuming my opinions?

[trim fern]

Oh cry about not getting an overly large boar that would have been out grazed and hunted as a far easier prey by literally anything raptor or bigger

[narrow lodge]

What?

[latent bay]

You said that omni wouldn't touch an irl carno

Fluff said that isle carno was stronger than real carno

You proceeded to reply with stating how real carno was heavier, which I interpreted as you trying to say that irl carno was stronger. My apologies if I mis-interpreted you.

[narrow lodge]

Yeah, and Omni irl would be weaker as well since in game stuff just isn't that realistic

[latent bay]

Omniraptor actively doesn't exist

[narrow lodge]

I know

[thin mantle]

Omni isn’t real, so it’d be the same irl

[narrow lodge]

It would fly when it pounces ignoring physics?

[latent bay]

Up for debate tbf, a fictional animal may not even be translatable to irl stuff, im like a solid 70% sure that Omniraptor isn't biologically feasible anyways

[trim fern]

You went to an extreme, but it's not a great arguement. Bison would be taken out and are know to be worn down by pack hunters what makes you think large pack hunters aren't going to choose the less dangerous animal to hunt down first before moving onto trike

[thin mantle]

Oh it’s not, but if directly translated it would be directly translated

[latent bay]

Fair enough

[solid imp]

@coarse blaze bro your way too correct with stego I wish I could show every person who hates stego this

[narrow lodge]

I'm not even talking about bison blud, you're arguing with no one

[thin mantle]

People that hate stego genuinely confuse me

[narrow lodge]

I'm definitely not talking about direct translation, because game stuff and irl aren't comparable

[thin mantle]

There’s so little to dislike apart from it being horrendously underdesigned and boring ti play

[trim fern]

You were at one point and kept responding to my stuff and defending it

[narrow lodge]

No, I wasn't I said so like 1 message after but you missed it

[trim fern]

Oh sorry lol

[thin mantle]

I guess the issue is that there isn’t anything in reality to compare a genetically engineered bio weapon to with no existing genetic reference

[narrow lodge]

Good that was cleared up

[thin mantle]

Like omnis bones could be made of some wild composite carbon fiber alloy that works with its biology for all we know :p

Would explain why it’s ankles don’t explode when it jumps

[narrow lodge]

Yeah, but I just don't want the theoretic scenario of Omni Vs polar bear to devolve into
"Omni doesn't exist so it can ignore physics"

[narrow lodge]

Exactly

[thin mantle]

Well no it would be “Omni only exists in game so downgrading it to a realistic level to compare to a real bear makes sense”

Especially when the comparison is literally “in game Omni vs irl bear”

[dusky surge]

the thing i also like about current AI is all of them are EXTREMELY saurvivable in basically all ecosystems

[slim dragon]

Except chickens

[thin mantle]

Our rabbits are so overpowered that they can dig a full on burrow in seconds

[slim dragon]

Since they're domestic chickens

[dusky surge]

chickens have the "lay eggs like literal machine" survival strat

[narrow lodge]

Chickens are good in jungles
We should get wild chicken models

[slim dragon]

Actually wild chickens run super fast, can fly and are very good at hiding
And that's their survival strategy

[thin mantle]

The reason they’re domestic chickens is because they were once feeders that escaped when AE fell

So it actually wouldn’t make sense for there to be wild chickens

[slim dragon]

Domestic chickens don't really have a survival strategy

[trim fern]

We should have elk they are small enough to be more believable and are in mountain so far tougher to get at

[narrow lodge]

Unfortunately that's not the case for our Dinos, honestly Magy is one of the most fitting ones in the roster for the environment

[dusky surge]

yea but they're genetically redesigned

[thin mantle]

Everything is yeah

[dusky surge]

so they can kinda just exist wherever because they don't care

if they fail, AE updates them

[thin mantle]

All the Dino’s are generated by an All Powerful ToasterTM

[dusky surge]

in lore, each dinosaur literally is being updated like a goddamn piece of software

[narrow lodge]

Making lots of offspring is indeed a survival strat

[thin mantle]

Omnipotent Airfrier

[narrow lodge]

They went back to being wild, like released pigs do

[trim fern]

They look like domestic chickens though

[thin mantle]

Well, no they’re still domestic chickens so they obviously haven’t re-evolved to be wild

[trim fern]

Also there is a difference between wild boar and feral pigs

[narrow lodge]

We already have deer, a little too similar I think

[trim fern]

Nah

Deer in game resemble white tail coming in at a max of 220 pounds elk come in at 600

Species dependent

[narrow lodge]

Of course, but they still survive in the wild and even grow fur

[narrow lodge]

We need cocks honestly

[trim fern]

Actually feral pigs are much smaller and often lack specialization

[narrow lodge]

And they need to be loud

[thin mantle]

The conversation about whether AI or Dino’s could reasonably survive the island in game is just so strange since they’re either escaped feeders or are printed by an all powerful 3d printer

Like none of them actually need to be ecologically viable to exist

[narrow lodge]

I want foxes in game now, fur farm escapees

[trim fern]

Yeah but it's dumb af to have that large of an ai

[thin mantle]

Well agreed unless it can provide a reasonable challenge

Which it probably won’t ever

[slim dragon]

I still don't believe in the "every modern animal on the island was brought to feed the dinos" theory
Because if so, why are there deer ? And boars instead of pigs ?

[narrow lodge]

It'll to juvis if it's agressive, which is fun

[trim fern]

Why not sheep

[thin mantle]

Well when I say feeders they could also be for the employees

[narrow lodge]

not for the babys but for me

[slim dragon]

Same question
Why deer, and why wild boars instead of pigs ?

[thin mantle]

Bad continuity :p

[slim dragon]

Not every human being has to eat deer meat on a regular basis

[narrow lodge]

You can farm deer

My grandfather had one

[thin mantle]

Or the replicator made them too lol

[trim fern]

But not on an island lmao there are much easier to farm animals than deer

[slim dragon]

But WHY ? Why take the effort of bringing in something that is harder to domesticate, more picky and less efficient when you ALREADY have perfectly fine domestic animals ?

[narrow lodge]

Farming on an island isn't any different than in outer city I think

[narrow lodge]

Because they can, rich stuff

[thin mantle]

I genuinely don’t think there’s any more thought gone into it besides “it’s an animal that’s modern to eat that runs”

[slim dragon]

Who the hell in their right mind would decide to farm deer to feed other animals instead of... anything else ?

[slim dragon]

That is a very bad excuse

[trim fern]

Weather, type of plants, etc and they aren't a domestic and often cost more

[narrow lodge]

Rich people do dumb stuff all the time

[slim dragon]

Having deer be a local species would just make a lot more sense

[trim fern]

Deer are farmed so hunters pay for the biggest racked ones

[narrow lodge]

Food isn't a problem, weather might be fair

[slim dragon]

I don'tr think the point of The Isle's lore is to show AE being a bunch of idiots who don't make sense in their actions

[thin mantle]

Or just also have them be replicated

[narrow lodge]

I mean...they did fail no?

[thin mantle]

The godlike magical ai kinda revolted

Whether it was incompetence or not isn’t known at all

[trim fern]

Why no cows then? Far more food, wide diversity of breeds, bigger than deer, smaller than bison

[narrow lodge]

See

[slim dragon]

There's a difference between "playing God and failing" and "being too stupid to make decisions that make sense"

[narrow lodge]

Cows are much bigger

[thin mantle]

AE being a well structured and functional organization isn’t really supported or denied

[trim fern]

What're you talking about

[thin mantle]

We don’t have enough lore on them to know

[slim dragon]

Also what kind of hunter would come to the Island to hunt deer ? IT'S A SECRET PROJECT

[narrow lodge]

Am I wrong?

[thin mantle]

On this island of dinosaurs I choose to hunt the white tails

Cuz I’m a trophy hunter

[trim fern]

Yes you're average dairy cow is 1500 pounds

[slim dragon]

"Alright you can pay 10 000 bucks to hunt deer here on this remote tropical island, and don't mind the dinos trying to eat you, they're holograms"

[narrow lodge]

Yeah, that's bigger than deer

[trim fern]

That's what I said more reasonable than deer smaller than bison

[thin mantle]

Don’t worry about the atmosphere….geography, and technology changing randomly at the whim of the edgy dishwasher

[narrow lodge]

Tbh the kind of deer my grandfather farmed are smaller than boars

[trim fern]

Almost all deer are until sambar, red deer, elk, or moose

[narrow lodge]

Ye, fallow deer in this case. I'm not even sure for what they farmed them tbh, they also had horses goats and rabbits

[trim fern]

Most likely for hunters and venison for restaurants

[narrow lodge]

Probably

[trim fern]

Not a whole lot of people buy from deer farms if you can hunt em yourself

[narrow lodge]

Hard to hunt them yourself if you need a permit

[trim fern]

I'm American for context

[narrow lodge]

I'm European, you need to be a hunter by profession probably to do that

[trim fern]

Here you need gun training a background check and an animal tag

Usually about 60 to 120 dollars depending on the year and wolf pop

An exotic deer like sambar would be believable though

And way bigger

[thin mantle]

Just add AI Yaks for no reason besides that it makes even less sense than a deer

For funsies

[narrow lodge]

Hunting wolves is definitely not allowed here, they hunted them to extinction nearly back when people didn't care about preservation

Rip Taurus

[trim fern]

Deer can live on islands but the ones in game look like whitetails and ruin the game feal

[narrow lodge]

I wanna play as the deer

[slim dragon]

Currently AI use stock assets

[thin mantle]

Replace them with AI Terrestrial Cretixyrhina

[trim fern]

Same here though we have to keep the population in check cause our deer have no predators with out them and when we kill large portions of deer the wolf pop goes down meaning they have to recover before you can shoot them again

And if deer pop is high we get overrun with wolves

[thin mantle]

Up where I’m at specifically Canadian Greys are invasive and overpopulated so hunting of those specifically has no limit

[trim fern]

MN

I'm in the states

[thin mantle]

Same, hence why they’re invasive lol

[narrow lodge]

I did hear about deer ruining Yellowstone because they got rid of the wolves, that's what happens when we mess up the ecosystems

[trim fern]

Yeah they kinda suck lmao, but if we have too many wolves they completely wipe out the deer population

Easiest way to manage it is through hunting

[narrow lodge]

Kinda weird, but understandable if they aren't able to control themselves anymore because we messed up

[trim fern]

It's not a mess up more of a misunderstanding

[thin mantle]

There’s also a degree of the ecosystem itself becoming imbalanced on its own and needing outside intervention to be sustained

[trim fern]

Deer live closer to the cities where wolves don't go

[narrow lodge]

As always, our fault

[trim fern]

Impossible to control the deer without preds, so we need hunters

[narrow lodge]

Racoons are also thriving in Germany and Netherlands from what I heard

Because cities

And are driving out foxes from them

[trim fern]

Yeah that's just how they work it's not a bad thing it just means we, as apart of out ecosystem, have to be the predators just the same as we always have been. Humans have been apart of the Shepards of the land for thousands of years

[narrow lodge]

True, just ask any megafuana

Wonder how they're doing

[trim fern]

Okay and?

[thin mantle]

Orcas seem to be doing pretty good

[trim fern]

They were ill prepared for a species with high intelligence that was rapidly advancing

[narrow lodge]

I mean, we are just getting started at destroying their habitat. Give it time

[trim fern]

And in time we will all be gone too and life will live on

[narrow lodge]

We'll take out a lot of animals with us unfortunately

[trim fern]

I understand the frustration of pollution but we to are animals and are no higher. How is it any different from mass extinctions? The great ocean collapse has been coming for some time regardless of pollution

Just like small groups of mammoths breeding themselves into genetic failures so is the ocean due to a lack of genetic diversity

[narrow lodge]

It's different because we're aware were causing it, yes it's natural but it's also something that's being done by a species which can actually do something about it

[thin mantle]

#offtopic-discussion

[trim fern]

Fr

[narrow lodge]

An hour too late, but fair

[thin mantle]

I’ve barely been paying attention tbh

[trim fern]

The world's dying and until the people want to topple the heads of the world nothing is going to change

[thin mantle]

I vote we immediately make motions to detonate the planet

[trim fern]

People don't want to anyhow, they bought into the dream of self interest and will die in it

[narrow lodge]

I don't think we have enough firepower, we can however definitely make surface inhospitable

[trim fern]

I wish our annual plague killed us all

[narrow lodge]

And block out the sun for lots of years

[thin mantle]

Nah that’s just a lack of conviction

[trim fern]

Lmao the cockroaches will live

[thin mantle]

They can survive the “Great Fracturing”

I’ll be riding the earth shard headed towards the next galaxy over

[trim fern]

Carboniferous period part two?!

[thin mantle]

I’ll be a god to them, I’ll show them fire

They won’t even know how to comprehend my greatness

I’ll invent Tetris

[trim fern]

If we don't get the giant centipede in game I will cry

[narrow lodge]

Let's blow up the moon

[thin mantle]

We can do that after

I’m down for both

[narrow lodge]

Deal

[thin mantle]

The moon is too easy tho

So we start with earth

[trim fern]

You know it's drifted several centimeters in the past decade

[thin mantle]

Well not that far, it’s a 10th of a centimeter per year

[narrow lodge]

It's drifting several centimetres each year, yeah

[trim fern]

It's going bye bye every mimet

[thin mantle]

It’s actually drifting at least 5 meters per minute closer to the sun

I sped it up

Was getting bored

[trim fern]

My brain is fried I have an interview in 2 hours what am I doing with my life

[narrow lodge]

It's going at 3.78 centimeters per year, pretty fast

[trim fern]

It's better than towards us?

[narrow lodge]

Yes

We'll have smaller waves

But honestly, F the surfers

[thin mantle]

I’m a surfer, let’s get that orb closer

I want bigger waves

I vote we conjoin the great pyramid and the moon

[trim fern]

https://tenor.com/view/i-cry-every-time-i-cry-evertim-i-cry-gif-18658761

[narrow lodge]

I want the tidal forces to tidally lock us

[thin mantle]

Nintendo is a prophet

[narrow lodge]

Huge wave circling the earth

Like in interstellar

[trim fern]

Can we do that one trend? Flatten the earth

[narrow lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/interstellar-wes-bentley-christopher-nolan-planet-miller-wave-gif-4004943

[trim fern]

https://tenor.com/view/trolling-subnautica-aurora-we-do-a-little-trolling-we-do-a-lot-of-trolling-gif-21507333

[thin mantle]

Let’s recreate middle earth >:)

[trim fern]

Earth when we finally commit Atlantis

[thin mantle]

Get singing!!!

[trim fern]

Oh god

I'm thinking of the hobbit I don't think that's right though

[thin mantle]

Think of a ton of space cosplayers using band equipment to invent physics

To make this isle related, add dinosaurs

[trim fern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-eric-andre-show-gif-24117609

^me rn trying to operate on low power

[thin mantle]

Just read the jewelry prequel book where the sun is a tree at the render distance limit providing light to everyone that isn’t ugly whilst the shadowdemonlordofedge makes a mountain spider and some lizards to fight god

[thin mantle]

(Unironically an accurate account of the Silmarillion)

👍

[trim fern]

Is this what you wanted?

https://tenor.com/view/hannibal-buress-morpheus-dorpheus-gif-23175221

[thin mantle]

It ain’t far off

[trim fern]

I have to get ready for my interview I've been up the entire night and now have to go through a full day before the sweet release of sleep

My final words will be... Why're all the good minecraft mods still on 1.7 or 1.12

It's lame and sucks wiener

[thin mantle]

Honestly so true. Good like on your interview!!

[dusky surge]

if you want the actual answer, it's because 1.7.10 has pretty decent performance compared to other versions and is the closest you get to a blank slate before they went all-in on massive overhauls

That, and 1.7.10 had a HUGE gap without any updates, so during the time between updates, people made mods, which accumulated within that specific patch. Now, if someone wants to make a modpack thats compatible with their fave 1.7.10 mods, they have to make a mod that's on 1.7.10, making even MORE mods.

This was also the case with 1.12

[trim fern]

Thank you! ❤️

[olive aspen]

In gameplay I feel the hitboxes are very unstable (yes, from experience, but also from many YouTube films about the isle) so I think clear separation would be more effective, cause now it kinda feels like random hit generator.

Vomiting perfectly makes sense for them (in my opinion). You see they can feed their babies by vomiting, right? So they can do that. People complain about not gaining nutrients from overeating and THAT is ridiculous. Vomiting to overeating is natural behavior, and those creatures are built like they can do it (I'm looking at deino, which clearly can't). Also I gave my argument in the feedback.
I never mentioned for only charge bite to apply bacteria. I said the stronger bite the more bacteria applied. Just suggested that their regular bite might be not applying it and explained it in summary.
For agility I just wanted to give juvi and subs some advantage over the adults, cause now they are just weaker and slower, basically free snack. Every other specie youngs are faster than adults.
Like, all of those are just suggestions, I'm not saying every single one must be applied.

And having half stam is also pretty clear explained, as everything in my feedback, lol. I worked on it and started thinking for some days, it wasnt my frustration talk or something like that. Actually before it I died as a not full grown cera trying to protect juvies.

As I read you, which criticized my statement said you didn't even hit an adult so you don't know how to play it (I did.)
And @dusky surge says he is not even playing bigger dinosaurs than omni, yet you both step up to argue xd
THIS makes no sense to me. First try every aspect of playing (as I did) and then talk like you know everything? I don't want to sound salty, just I don't understand why do you even have an opinion about adult cera even though you've never played it.

[dusky surge]

i've played every animal, i just choose to play troodon and beipi now

[olive aspen]

Fair enough.

[dusky surge]

i've lived several lives as cera, some successful, some not, the overall animal just doesn't suit me. I find it disappointing as it ended up being this boring-ass stam hunter rather than the cool scavenger I was hoping (although, the way Spiro works doesn't really help me play the roamer I was hoping for)

since every corpse and player is condensed into centre like a can of tuna, there's little to do in the way of a roaming scavenger

perhaps Gateway will give me the opportunity to actually enjoy the animal

there's also the element of me really disliking being the current "best animal of the week". I didn't like playing carno or pachy in U6 because I felt they were too boring and easy. Now pachy just feels pathetic, same with teno (poor thing can't catch a break) and literally EVERYONE is cera.

[olive aspen]

Gateway would not change the animal, unless devs would add something to it or change it. But for sure is a good adding.
My feedback is all about cera being cool scavenger and not runner at all. As in devblogs is said, its a nomad, so its a walker not runner. That's why I wrote every my idea there, knew most would not like them cause cera is currently the fav and people like to be overpowered.

[dusky surge]

Gateway changes a lot because it (ideally) causes players to move around the map

Not having every goddamn body condensed into a single hotspot would do wonders for the game

And for cerato not being what it currently is, a centre sprinter who just runs around centre, eats corpse, chases thing, repeats

I'd also honestly rather animals like tenonto be buffed before cerato nerfed in such a fashion. The main nerfs cera needs are a penalty to its charge bite (be it stam or cooldown or what have you) and potentially a stamina reduction. That's it really, it's fine most of the time

[olive aspen]

I don't think if broken body buff and giving insane amount of bacteria by niping tip of the tail is neccesarily fine, but I understand your pov.

[dusky surge]

they actually fixed the tail nipping giving bacteria in Stress Testing

the body buff is also fine, since you can just leave the cera to its corpse

[olive aspen]

In current one or previous? Because for now I still gain bacteria this way

[dusky surge]

previous

[olive aspen]

Funny.

[dusky surge]

ceras used to literally be able to tail bite tenos to death. it sucked

they can still apply bacteris to the base of the tail, but not the tip

[olive aspen]

From experience I can tell, they still can, but.

I got situation as not full adult cera group of full adults started to chacing me and biting my tip tail, killed me this exact way.

So it's still a thing from my experience.

[coarse blaze]

When I practiced a few weeks ago with someone else in here bile wasn't gained via tail-tip biting.

[unborn iris]

The problem is people don't understand how hit detection works. What you see on your screen doesn't matter for their bites hitting. They are getting your tail on their screen not the tip.

[olive aspen]

This game has plenty of bugs, so I'm not surprised.

[graceful swallow]

worst ones imo being food bug and losing dinos on safe logs

[trim fern]

I got it thank you for the luck

[distant torrent]

I still want vomit to not block attacks that don’t involve biting. why a stego can’t swing while vomiting or why a teno can’t kick while vomitting baffles me

[trim fern]

Can you kick while vomiting?

[distant torrent]

it won’t affect people’s precious carno vs cera situation and it’ll give stegos, tenos, and other future herbivores that can’t outrun it a much better chance

[distant torrent]

no. all attacks are cancelled and blocked, and you can’t run. only trot while vomitting

[trim fern]

If you can't run or make attacks when you puke irl why should the dino

Why not cap how many times a dino can puke

As soon as the stomach is 3/4 empty it should stop

Like puking should

[distant torrent]

because current balance is a severe issue with playables that can’t outrun cera or have trouble with it

[trim fern]

So limit how many times a dino can puke

Idk about you but when I puke I'm clung to a toilet or bucket

[distant torrent]

doubt they’d do that. they clearly want puking because they just slapped a small timer onto the pukes instead of just outright limiting them

affecting how many times a cera can make someone puke affects it vs carno anyways. allowing non-biting attacks while vomitting would just help herbivores that truly do need help against ceras. stego literally cannot outrun groups of ceras lol god forbid you’re a teno with anything other than a carb diet and a cera with the meta carb diet spots you

dibble will very much struggle like stego if it stays slower than cera. in fact, it’ll struggle even worse since I’d imagine it won’t do as much damage as a stego. poor thing will definitely need to be able to attack while vomitting

[west sequoia]

@toxic ocean it don’t matter honestly, killing lil troops a especially adult sized, super easy to kill (there’s a reason troodon is on pteras diet)

[toxic ocean]

Not my experience haha. When hunting adult troodons as soon as they notice me they start jumping around like crazy trying to crash me, same for hypsi and juvi omni. I can kill some of them when on the ground yeah, but it doesnt make much sense for me to loose my main advantage to hunt tiny guys. When playing troodon I also dont really fear pteras bc its very easy to crash and kill them.

[slim dragon]

Well troodon is heavier than ptera so it makes sense that ptera will have a hard time keeping flight if it collides with one

[coarse blaze]

If you couldn't knock PTs down as something that jumps there wouldn't be anything to do if one decided to harass you. It's already an issue with cera/carno where a flyer will actually just peck you until you die. That 3% DMG starts to really ramp up when you can't do anything to make them stop.

[cobalt dagger]

@toxic ocean
When I play ptera, I've actually killed a cera or so. But I leave things that jump alone. It's funny, it encourages me to go peck big things because they can't stop me, and to leave little things alone because they can.

If you need diet, fish is good, but also is lungs - You can pick out organs from animals that are not on your diet, allowing you to get 3-dots, // or S from any dead body. Lungs gives you 3-dot diet and in my opinion that diet is best compared to the others, more stam to fly around with/less time waiting for stam to regen is nice.
Glide around center, look for fights. Look for someone who attacked the tenos and didn't come out on top and ran away injured - then peck him to death and finish him off. Peck crocs who are getting oxygen. But DON'T peck anything that can jump! That's my tips for ptera.

And I am not sure if this is bad or good balance wise. I will say, one very smart cera learned that if I bite his head, and if he bites when I bite, he bites the tip of my beak (effectively my head) and he one-shot me, after a few tries once he got the timing right. I didn't try to make the timing hard for him, I didn't think he could do it, but he did! So there IS a way for them to defend themselves but it's really hard. I will also say, when something goes in a forest or under a cave, I leave them alone. You're likely to bump into a tree and die. That and also if they stand near a cliff. But if they are in an open field, peck away.

Again I'm not sure what I think of this balance-wise. I have never seen anyone try but some big dinos can crouch and un-crouch to try and replace a jump, so maybe don't peck anyone who's crouching because it's kinda like a jump.

More or less right now I find that when I play ptera, I am encouraged to peck big things and discouraged from pecking little things. But, pecking anything is not necessary to survival, so you're only encouraged to do so if you are looking for pvp.

I don't know if it's bad or good. I think right now I'm happy with how Ptera is, because it takes many hits to kill big things and only one mistake to die

And that's kinda how 'most things vs stego' looks like too

[toxic ocean]

Well easy to survive with fish, but its boring. Like you said, the little things that should fear me are the ones I most avoid, while with cera and carno I can harass adults and murder juvies but it feels unfair. Small AI is hard to find and easy to loose sight. So I mostly scavenge bc thats what feels most interesting. The problem is the diets

Like, it's not BAD, but thats clearly not what the devs proposed since diets is full of the little dinos that, at the moment, have no reason to fear you, bc they can fight you by standing in the same place and jumping.

Thats why my feedback is that it needs change. It's not that I find hard to play as ptera, is just that I don't think the creature match its diets. Either turn ptera into a scavenger or give it more opportunity to hunt the things it was supposed to hunt. It doesnt make sense to me that an animal so vulnerable to jumping would hunt stuff that jumps.

I also like that it is high risk bc it makes sense sinse its so quick to grow, but anyway xp

[vague steeple]

The problem with vomit is that it was implemented as a short term, combat effect. Instead, like bleeding, it should have been something that weakens the target and allows the Cerato to track/stalk/observe the target for an opening to finish it off in a weakened state over time…but as always, the overly heavy handed use of starvation and death as mechanic prevents more strategic and drawn out tactics for using combat in game as means to secure food.

The “now or never” mindset they impose on the game play short circuits any attempt at more thoughtful, tactical/strategic, more in-depth mechanics and play. Combat skills will continue to have the potential to feel cheesy, gimmicky as long as they all have to be effective in the “now”.

[cobalt dagger]

I don't think diets are a full reflect of what the devs intend us to eat, because Deino is on the raptor's diet but I have no idea how raptors would eat that unless a croc was very very dumb and got lost inland, or they scavenge a deino who got killed by another deino and left on land.

Carno also has a horribly small diet selection inspite of being able to kill things and eat stuff that is not on it's diet

I think, little animals get more hurt by ptera, and have less time to run to a rock, cliff, cave, or forest for safety, because their hp is lower.... Bigger animals have more time to find safety, as ptera takes longer to kill it... So I guess little animals needed a way to even have so much as a chance.

From the smaller animal's perspective, if you have no way to run away because ptera is faster than you, no way to bite it back because it flies, AND if it kills you really fast because your hp is small, what DO you do? Can you get into the woods fast enough? Maybe not, maybe you need to be able to jump. While the ability to kill troodons and such is a matter of 'boredom vs entertained' for the ptera, it's a matter of 'life or death' for the little troodon

I suppose otherwise, I would recommend pecking troodons who look busy - Eating, calling, hunting, drinking, socializing...

Being the flying and faster creature, you get to pick your fights - Pick the fight that advantages you

The little guys are slowly and don't fly so they can't pick the fight, while ptera can engage or disengage whenever it so pleases, which is a VERY powerful ability in a game about survival.

I'd say, if those little troos watch you and are ready to jump, they can only do so for so long until they get hungry, for thristy. Simply forcing them to pay attention to you can be taxing.

I experience this a lot as an herbi, I want to get food or get water, but some annoying raptor is stalking me, waiting for his perfect chance, and running away every time I try to fight him - only to come back and latch onto me when I'm trying to eat or something. Super annoying, but I don't get to pick the fight. I have to stare at him and wait for him to come or waste my stamina trying to chase him. Ultimately he's not doing that much bleed by himself so I don't think any raptor has killed me that way, not YET anyway, but the fact that they CAN stalk you and harass you like this sure is frustrating. Fortunately they can't stalk me forever, they have to go get food, which is harder for raptor than for ptera. But for ptera? Grab a fiish and go back to stalking...

I say all this to say, picking your fights - choosing when you engage and when you disengage - is so so so big in a survival game where you have to eat, drink, and tend other needs.

[winter iris]

But this is valid for every playable 😅

[thin mantle]

Yes it is

[slim dragon]

Except small ones

[neon willow]

The difference is, I really don't want to try to scrub vomit off my upholstery. If I was in the woods? Yes, you can definitely at least run while vomiting... anyone who's ever made the sprint for a bucket/toilet knows that

[knotty venture]

@spark tendon suggestion slight Stam regen only while gliding. And only up to a certain amount. Ptera players kinda go hard and try killing dinos unable to hit them from the air cuz long beak hit box and the skill they gain from practice.

[spark tendon]

i agree. maybe up to 30% or something while gliding. but i can understand if they dont want to do that for balance. just some qol things, especially the regen while latched would be great

[knotty venture]

Yeah if they never have to touch the ground they won't ever die unless they attack a player. Which let's face it players will get bored and do just that.

Which if that's the case the damage ptera can do to things bigger then raptor should deal so little it's not worth the time because the Dino they are pecking heals it back. I don't think a ptera should just be able to slowly peck something to death because ingame things like carno or Cera can't do Mini hops to slap them out of the sky

[spark tendon]

i honestly dont mind whatever they do, as long as ptera stays enjoyable. i just suggested latching regen because it made no logical sense why you cant regen while latched, just a game balance thing

[rigid tulip]

Honestly increase ptera damage but reduce its stam. Make it higher reward higher risk, if we are going to give every dino an anti-air attack.

High risk gameplay is what really makes things fun. Its why everyone hates deino and stego, they kind of just exist without threat. (Besides a large pack of experienced carnis in vc in the case of stego)

[dusky surge]

ptera does not need higher damage, it already has absurdly high damage for its size

in fact i'm pretty sure it has the best damage to weight ratio in the game

[graceful swallow]

what has the worst, Id wager deino bite but only if we dont count stego bite and only its tail?

[dusky surge]

stego bite i guess, but that's not really accounting for the tailwhip, which i dont think is fair

[graceful swallow]

yeah next worst damage per bite for size would be interesting

if stego is worst

[distant torrent]

ptera is actually really fun when there’s hatchlings involved. it just can’t shine and show how truly dangerous of a hatchling hunter it is because hardly anyone nests

it honestly felt so good when I snatched a hatchling beipi right out of the water like it was a fish

[rigid tulip]

This is why I suggest a damage buff and a stam/hp nerf. It’s actual combat role just cant shine in the current state of the game. The only thing its good for is picking off small ceras in the plains. Everything that you can actually one shot is riskier because it can either jump, or it’s invisible anyways due to the isla spiro foliage. Ptera rn is nothing but annoying. Theres so much untapped potential in the air aspect of this game. If ptera is kept at its current state and nesting doesnt become more essential, it will be a huge missed opportunity. Look at the diversity of modern flying animals, its amazing. With so much roster bloat planned already, why not allocate some resources instead to this? Or possibly another flying creature to do something besides baby snatch/fish. An anti-air pack hunting flyer maybe? So that other flyers have something thats threatening. Or a true scavenger? So much potential.

I can tell you from my experience fighting canni pteras, dogfights in this game are sooo fun. We need more diversity in playstyle, otherwise truly unique dinos like herrera will be left with no consistent ecosystem interactions

[dusky surge]

its not supposed to be a damage animal though

also it REALLY doesn't need more damage

[rigid tulip]

I agree but it should be absolutely horrifying to babies. Rn its so easy to avoid

I have never died to a ptera before as anything besides a hatchling when i didnt know there was a ptera. (I couldve hid in the bushes and completely been unkillable)

[dusky surge]

dying to ptera isn't fun

so i'm glad you haven't had to deal with that

[rigid tulip]

Ptera needs to be more risky

[dusky surge]

not really, no

that's literally just making it discount quetz

[rigid tulip]

So just eat fish and scream? Combat is the core fun of this game is it not?

[rigid tulip]

We have 3 discount trikes planned

[thin mantle]

Unironically yes, scavenge eat fish and fly

[dusky surge]

and each of them has something that seperates them from big trike

[thin mantle]

The trade off is that is takes like 5 minutes to grow

[rigid tulip]

Increase grow time then. I don’t understand why you guys dont want it to be capable of combat?

[dusky surge]

also designing everything around the combat hell isn't exactly fun design

[dusky surge]

it already is, and it sucks to face

i dont want it MORE capable

[thin mantle]

Because pteras combat design is terrible and makes it incredibly overpowered

[rigid tulip]

With isla spiri foliage ive never had a problem, then again i usually play dinos that can jump

[dusky surge]

the fact the devs are talking of animating entirely new stances and attacks simply so we can bite upwards to stop our 1800kg carno getting soloed by a single 45kg bird is dumb

[thin mantle]

And against anything that can’t jump, rip

[rigid tulip]

Can you explain how a ptera does something like that? Genuine question. I haven’t experienced that. I want to hear the perspective

[dusky surge]

i've seen them kill stegos in U3

[rigid tulip]

Lolll

[thin mantle]

I’ve killed stegos in update 3

[rigid tulip]

Thats wild thats gotta be like 1 hour

[dusky surge]

imagine how agonising that is for the stego

[thin mantle]

Was probably one of the most depressingly hours of that stegos life

[rigid tulip]

For sure

[dusky surge]

1 hour of not being able to do anything and getting killed by this dumb bird

[thin mantle]

The crows selected you for erasure

Have fun getting your growth deleted

The amount of carnos I killed in update 3 too

[rigid tulip]

But the question is: should we make something completely impossible just because a few someone had the skill to execute it, and it was horrible for the opposite end?

[dusky surge]

yes

[thin mantle]

I’ve done it in later updates it’s just more tedious

[rigid tulip]

Like random wallbang one shots in fps games

Its a good question

[thin mantle]

Absolutely

[dusky surge]

im not respawning for 5 hours after that wallbang

[rigid tulip]

Good point

[dusky surge]

there's the difference

[thin mantle]

Personally I also just hate wallbang mechanics but yknow

But that’s just an unrelated side note

[rigid tulip]

The main reason i want to see air combat is because i feel like it will be extremely boring with a non combat tiny tier and quetz as our only fliers

I see quetz being completely unchallenged

[dusky surge]

and at least with a one-shot wallbang, my suffering ends quickly and i can just respawn. With what we have here, it's a prolonged period of suffering only to have to go through several hours of growth

well it kinda is

doesn't matter how strong ptera is, quetz wins

[thin mantle]

I mean

[rigid tulip]

Should it be unchallenged?

[dusky surge]

you can't really challenge it

there's no good way to challenge it

[thin mantle]

What challenges Quetz

[rigid tulip]

I dont mean ptera 1v1ing it lol i mean hypothetically a herrera or something maybe killing the juvis or maybe another air flyer

[dusky surge]

another air flyer that kills quetz would just be the new quetz

[thin mantle]

Tbf, nothing terrestrial needs to be fought

[rigid tulip]

An air combat/scavenger focused flier with no downwards peck so that it couldn’t effectively target ground creatures

[thin mantle]

That’s why you have flight

[dusky surge]

the main way quetz will likely die is landing somewhere and immediately getting shredded in an ambush

[rigid tulip]

Like an almost upwards peck, since it would hypothetically be able to get under a quetz in the air but not any terrestrial animal

[rigid tulip]

Sure but there are huge rocks everywhere, even on gateway

[thin mantle]

If that roll ever gets filled it’ll just be by other quetz

[rigid tulip]

Gonna be docktahs moment

[thin mantle]

Imposing additional dangers on creatures that are already very easy to kill is quite odd to me

Like something important to note is that a likely reason why there’s such a massive size gap between Quetz and ptera is so they wouldn’t be encouraged to fight

[rigid tulip]

Sure its easy to kill. A raptor is easy to kill for a stego, but an experienced group can pretty much kill a stego without any big risks due to stegos predictable attacks

[thin mantle]

Which is a major issue with stego tbf

[rigid tulip]

Similar situation here, stats aren’t representative of how easy something is to kill, its about situations

[thin mantle]

I don’t think they SHOULD fight at all is what I’m getting at

[rigid tulip]

Me neither, I think quetz should need perhaps a risky diet or have another air competitor

Ptera shouldnt realistically be killing quetz

[thin mantle]

Quetz hunting terrestrials almost exclusively is risky enough

[rigid tulip]

Something like tropeognathus would work

[rigid tulip]

Hypothetically it could just fly by and pick up a whole dryo in its mouth, no?

[thin mantle]

Probably not

[rigid tulip]

Unless they impose carno- like disabilities onto it

[thin mantle]

They’ve already said they want to avoid situations like that

[rigid tulip]

Stamina investment, acceleration, mobility and all of that

[thin mantle]

It’s likely that Quetz will need to land to make kills

[rigid tulip]

Thats gonna look odd ngl

[thin mantle]

That’s how they hunted irl

[rigid tulip]

Well we will see ig

[rigid tulip]

Really? How do we know? Were they like secretary birds/storks

[thin mantle]

If Quetz actually tried to grab something off the ground mid flight it’d catapult into the ground after breaking its jaws

[rigid tulip]

I was under the impression they were like eagles

[thin mantle]

Basically no pterosaurs aside from highly specialized fishers hunter like eagles

[rigid tulip]

Interesting

[thin mantle]

Pterosaurs didn’t have dexterous feet

Especially ones that big

They physically couldn’t fly or land without a clearing and decent lift, and turning was a struggle

Azdarchids as big as Quetz would have to land to eat

[rigid tulip]

What would they have eaten in that case, i see no stealth or speed capabilities for getting to prey?

[thin mantle]

Oh that’s just incorrect, the opposite is actually true

They’re tall, long limbed and physically powerful creatures as large as giraffes despite being more fragile

And were capable of considerable sprints on the ground

[rigid tulip]

They could def bully something small, but what is sticking around when they see a literal flying giraffe

Are the devs planning on giving it decent ground sprinting capabilities? Ive never heard any of this. This lowkey changes my opinion

[thin mantle]

https://youtu.be/wrxjJQAta7g?si=XYDT5XWgZAjiEnaS

[thin mantle]

They haven’t said it but I can’t see any reason why they wouldn’t have a decent ground sprint

Ptera doesn’t have a fast terrestrial speed but they aren’t exactly slow for their build on the ground

If scaled up to something as big as Quetz with its proportions it’d be quite fast

It’s probably not outrunning a teno or Omni but you get the idea

[rigid tulip]

I agree

It seems to hunt kind of like a stork picking up small animals off of the ground using its long beak and neck, but at the sight of such a tall and easy to spot animal i think everything would just run. IRL animals are either too stupid (fish and reptiles/insects) to run from a stork, or the animals attempt to hide because they are scared. It would probably be pretty unlikely for either of these options to really work in a video game imo. I think it would have to run after prey. But idk what it would hypothetically be able to both catch and kill. Likely few animals ngl. Seems cool though I hope they do good with the ground hunting. I didnt know it was like that.

[coarse blaze]

@hardy matrix I 100% agree with you, I know it does so little DMG but that 3% over 3 minutes does a lot and in a big open field a carno/cera genuinely can't do anything to stop it. Triple carbs are also the easiest diet for PT meaning they just fly forever.

Running into the forest does not help, the hitbox on PT is very, very small so trees aren't even an obstacle. I've run into so many PTs just looking to pick on ceras/carnos just because there's nothing they can do about it.

It's not skillful, it's not impressive and it's not a fair fight in the slightest. It's why you don't see them really harass omni/troodon or teno for very long or if at all.

[latent bay]

Unavoidable damage is unavoidable damage, and unavoidable damage is nothing even close to fun or fair for either party

[unborn iris]

I feel like one of the parties would be having fun.

[latent bay]

Ehh

Fair, but imo playing with all the reward and zero risk because you're dealing unavoidable damage is only fun on the level of "I just ripped 2 hours of that carno's life away" and would get stale after like your 3rd kill

[keen plover]

Some people like doing that though

Fun can be had in a lot of ways

[unborn iris]

Sounds like you are a pretty good bird then. We can 1v1 carno vs bird and see how unavoidable it actually is.

[keen plover]

Ptera shouldn't even be a threat to anything large

Good ptera or not

Carno / Cera / Teno and larger should just ignore it

[unborn iris]

I'm not arguing that, my only argument is against trying to make it seem "not skillfull" and easy to do. When the real issue is the people getting killed by a bird are just too stupid to avoid it. And it's definitely not easy unless you're just standing around in an open field.

When the roster and balance is fleshed out, a carno should definitely not be worried about a ptera. I agree with that.

[keen plover]

Oh there's definitely skill to it. There's like 1 ptera player I know that can drop players. Probably 2?

[unborn iris]

But presumably the ptera would have more stuff to do and interract with by then.

[keen plover]

Yeah 100%. I don't want to ruin ptera gameplay. I just don't think it should be doing much to huge creatures.

[rigid tulip]

Hypothetically what could a ptera do if you back yourself into a corner? Like a literal corner with walls against your right and left flank. Be it soil or rock. It has to fly past you in order to hit you, and it cant really do that in that situation

Few corners like that really exist tho

(Btw i dont think ptera should ever be able to kill anything bigger than a galli)

[hasty coyote]

all they would have to do is this: (black dot is ptera, red circle is its path, and green is your hitbox)

[cobalt dagger]

I do not think the idea of voice coms only for your own species is a bad idea, but any time I see people suggesting it, it's super down-voted. Why do people think it is bad? I can think of reasons why, but all the reasons that come to mind seem easily fixed with a 'mute player' option added as well. Or maybe also a 'disable vc' section for anyone who wants to never hear anyone ever.

When you grow a dino for 3-7 hours depending on the species you pick, you have a lot you could loose, and many already play with friends on a discord call - this server even offers a VC section for players, and that's cross-species. It might make a difference of life or death, coordination is a really big deal and some of your enemies will already be using it via discord calls.

[mortal tundra]

I also see why people would want that, but if there's danger you shouldn't stop moving. I just 4 call and run, which is supposed to mean danger, or "I give up", or something related. In my opinion it isn't needed.

[cobalt dagger]

Four call is good and all, but I'm talking about more complicated call-outs, like 'flank him,' or 'to your left!' or 'I broke his leg', which are short to say but long to type...

It's for coordination like that, that people play with a discord call with friends, and coordination like that can be deadly.

Whether VC is an in game feature or not, people will make it a feature by using discord, and again even this server has discord vc you can use while playing and that's even cross-species

Clearly they don't think it's overpowered, but rather those who don't have access to it are at the disdavantage when fighting against a coordinated group.

[keen plover]

@livid jetty Is there a reason for a Teno nerf?

[dawn falcon]

Well, considering they don’t explain what’s needing to be nerfed, probably a troll feedback

[dusky surge]

either that or an impulse feedback where they died to teno one time

[livid jetty]

Sorry my brother said that.

[dusky surge]

lmao

[graceful swallow]

See teno is decent you can at least kill lil brothers playing cera

[livid jetty]

?

[dusky surge]

i love the "my little brother did it" excuse

idk man its funny to me

[rigid tulip]

Well i thought of that, but I dont think a pt could hypothetically do that with a human structure for example with right angles

[livid jetty]

he did though?

[dusky surge]

i mean, even if he did or didn't, i still think it's funny

[hasty coyote]

I literally made a square in google drawings for that angle, it is a right angle. So if the pt has some open space, it’s def possible. However, inside a building I doubt, unless it’s massive.

[solid imp]

It doesn't take much to get a ptera off you unless your trapped in one of the holes around the map 🗿

[dusky surge]

@mortal tundra i dont see why you'd nerf the swimming speed, that's part of its survival plan and a rather arbitrary nerf

i was going to agree until you threw that in

also the bleed res being reduced makes little sense

its supposed to make raptors want to give it their kill

[true topaz]

ye i agree, keep swimming, i still put check mark bc all of the rest was good.

[dusky surge]

nah, 10% stam on charge bite is way too much, bleed res doesn't need to be lowered, swimming doesn't need to be nerfed

[slim dragon]

"Slightly faster than carno's swimming speed" is still abysmally slow

[dusky surge]

lmao exactly

like why take the one actually cool/fun thing out of its kit to make it another generic land pred lol

[thin mantle]

Because something being overtuned on very specific ways that some find fun justify crippling the well designed parts of its kit

[dusky surge]

like idk why so many people agree with that post. Yes, it is obvious cera is OP, but the 10% stam consumption on chargebite, the reduction to bleed and the terrible swimspeed just feel bad

[thin mantle]

Yeah it's a weird rebalance

People dislike roster bloat...I can relate to that....so why are we turning cerato into small alberto

[dusky surge]

let cera be cera, nerf its actual problem (stamina efficiency) and leave it at that

[keen plover]

Literally that's it lol

[thin mantle]

Mhm

I wouldn't hate dabbling in making vomit less consecutive....but I'm fine with it's stamina economy just being less good

[keen plover]

I don't see the issue if it's anti omni. Don't really have many creatures that handle Omni bleed well

[thin mantle]

God forbid we have a couple creatures in the game that are not only designed to counter omni but do so successfully

looking at you stego....

Carno....

teno....

To some extent...pachy...

[dusky surge]

oh yea making vomit more weight-based would be great

[thin mantle]

That and I wouldn't mind the effects of losing your nutrients kick in quicker to justify reducing how frequently something can be vomitted again

I hate that it's optimally used for stunning and not debuffing and deterring

[dusky surge]

not letting cera juvis cause stego to puke would be awesome

[thin mantle]

Lmao

[dusky surge]

i like it more now that puke actually causes you to not be able to reaquire nutrients and can cause more puking for drinking and eating

[thin mantle]

I'd be fine with that if it also couldn't be reapplied by the ceras in combat

Cuz it's still functionally a spammable stun

[obtuse ocean]

Are these supose to be good vs omni? counter ?

[dusky surge]

yes, they are meant to be good against omni

they aren't, but they should be

[obtuse ocean]

Agreed : P

[thin mantle]

As wave said, yes

[latent bay]

Ceratosaurus is a scavenger bully, Ceratosaurus' entire thing is making things smaller than it leave their kills, and bleed res specifically makes them especially do that to omni and any future bleeders, whereas the damage reduction makes it able to bully things moderately larger than it

Ceratosaurus isn't just a scavenger. It's a bully, a kill stealer. It's entire mentality is "hey Timmy see that Allosaurus over there? I'm gonna fight it and steal its food"

[dusky surge]

it probably won't BEAT an allo, but it'd try

[latent bay]

Yeah it probably won't

But by hell or high water it will try and give its all

(And at a large body with a skill deficit, Ceratosaurus should take it imo)

[dusky surge]

@mortal tundra cerato's bite should cost stam

10-15% is literally cruel

[mortal tundra]

Why? You can still get like 5 bites in and damage your prey a lot.

[dusky surge]

because basically no ability costs that much unless it's completely horridly balanced (like carno's charge)

nor should it, because a miss will literally just destroy you

lowering your ability to flee and fight by a significant margin

10% should be a maximum, and even then, that's too much

[mortal tundra]

Hmm... the problem I have with cerato is carnos chasing them. You can maneuver, but they might not have enough stamina. And with charge bite taking stamina ceratos might not be able to damage carnos enough then run.

[dusky surge]

cerato's bite is loud, requires chargeup time, has no stun/knockdown properties (besides vomit, which is a different mechanic from charge bite) and can be missed quite easily

nothing about it should indicate that it deserves to cost that much stamina

i'd be far more comfortable with 6%, akin to pachy

[mortal tundra]

Okay, that's fair. I'll edit it a little bit.

[dusky surge]

still not a fan of things like reducing swim speed or bleed resist

just makes cera worse at what it's meant to do

[mortal tundra]

Yeah that makes sense, we can leave that. Also I'll brb, so I won't respond instantly if you reply. 😊

[distant torrent]

@mortal tundra vomit already has a cooldown but it’s like around 20 ish seconds? the vomit we really need is this #balance-feedback message

I keep hearing it’s around 20 seconds but I’ve never tested it myself

no one has corrected me on that either so I guess it’s right or close enough lol

[keen plover]

The cap is 50%. So at most it reduces allos damage by half

[latent bay]

Fluff told me that gives Ceratosaurus an effective hp of like 2670 which is only 130 less than allo's actual hp

[dusky surge]

yea but overall allo likely is just doing more damage

[hasty coyote]

Still probably has a lower dps, but if you get 2-3 ceras, they can def bully a allo off a body

[dusky surge]

the effective HP of cera would be 2600, on account of the 50% damage resist

[hasty coyote]

Or if the allo is already weak, a lone cera has a chance

[latent bay]

Isnt dps the entire design of cera's left click tho

[dusky surge]

not really?

[hasty coyote]

Isn’t that the entire design of allos’s too?

[dusky surge]

its consistent damage, sure, but it's not high

[keen plover]

Cera hits for 150n every 0.66 seconds. So a dps of 225n

Allo also has a pin and a likely strong alt attack

It’s not something a cera would mess with solo

[latent bay]

Ok fair

[latent bay]

I swear I remember one of the devs saying that Ceratosaurus' bite is intended to be one of the faster primary attacks in the carni roster to account for the lower damage it has in comparison to larger mid tier animals

[dusky surge]

it is indeed faster

but its honestly better against small game

lots of bites with lower damage is effective against small fellas

[latent bay]

I'd have thought the inverse would be better

One single bite with huge damage to disable a small target quickly

[dusky surge]

big burst damage tends to be better against larger game

see: carno charge

[latent bay]

Ok fair

Or cera charge bite

So alr that all checks out

[dusky surge]

thing is about big burst is it generally lets you get in and out

having to stay next to the big target for constant, smaller damage leaves you more open for counterattack

big burst is good against small game too, since it nukes it out of existence, but big burst often comes with its own fair share of downsides that make it unreliable against small game (carno's charge and its horrible stamdrain, cera's loud as sin charge sound)

[latent bay]

I dont mean to change the subject but tbh I think cera should be overall quieter but that's just me

[dusky surge]

nah

cera being loud as sin is something i think is very good for it

it's not an ambush predator and never will be

[latent bay]

Fair enough

[dusky surge]

cerato's charge bite, is in all honesty, quite well designed

it fits well with the intentions of its playstyle and kit

and is an actually well-designed burst-damage move that is befitting of the animal (unlike carno's)

it should probably cost stam, but otherwise, it's kinda perfect

like for all the times i've stated that cera is OP, it's not a poorly designed animal

in all honesty, it's kinda near perfect as far as animals go, the tenonto equivilant in a carnivore. It achieves exactly what it sets out to do and is fun to do so, and is really not super unfair to face against. When you compare it to deino, another OP animal, which is complete bull and unfun as hell to face, it really shines. It just needs nerfs in the fact its stats are universally overtuned

like if cera was on a good map and wasn't played by everyone as a super-predator, i'd probably play it a lot

the most fun i've had in the isle as of late was playing a solo cera by swamp and just never leaving, thus never encountering other ceras who constantly brawl in centre and just being my own little bastard

[keen plover]

I dislike the auto chuff vs grouped members and tiny things.

Can only imagine how punishing it will be when larger stuff are added.

[dusky surge]

i mean, sure

but like, besides minor stuff and some overtuned stats, it's really good

[keen plover]

Yeah it's near perfect

[dusky surge]

it's a shame tenonto had to be shafted for cera to "be viable"

[latent bay]

Which of its stats (besides its stamina) are overtuned? I think its bleed might be, but that's all I can think of

[dusky surge]

stamina, mainly

[mortal tundra]

I hope they make it so you can enable it, so a baby raptor near your food won't make you hearable for a whole mile. The only problem is new players not knowing how to use it, and if a carno is behind you but you don't see it. (Then again, if a carno were behind you, you shouldn't be chuffing anyway because you wouldn't see it. (I may have explained that badly. 😅 )) And that it doesn't make you chuff to people in your group.

[dusky surge]

bleed is high, but honestly, i'm fine with it having good bleed. don't mess with it

cera should really be not worth the effort

[keen plover]

Nah it should be auto vs sizeable creatures like Omni

[mortal tundra]

It's really hard for raptors to kill ceras. I've escaped a pack of 6 or more adults, and killed most of them.

[dusky surge]

i think autochuff is fine

[dusky surge]

which is great and should stay that way

[mortal tundra]

[dusky surge]

raptors should be forced to realise that they aren't capable of every fight

[mortal tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-cat-hyper-gif-9540792418684483949

[dusky surge]

there are some fights where you are actively disadvantaged

it helps establish more of an ecosystem and less of a brawldown

certain animals avoid other animals because their specific adaptations just hardcounter their style of attack

[mortal tundra]

Wolves don't kill grizzly bears, so it makes sense.

[mortal tundra]

Then again... dryos don't kill omnis.

[dusky surge]

sometimes they do

it's really funny when they do too

[mortal tundra]

Imagine the raptor player sweating hearing dryos all around and he's low health.

[latent bay]

that is like

entirely the point. omniraptor has the unfortunate scenario of a good few things currently in-game either being built to check it (cera, carno) or things that should be built to check it (tenonto, pachy). Omniraptor's viability wll rise when Carnoclear-explosive gets removed and when things that arent supposed to do well against it get added

[true topaz]

@rigid tulip Carno is very bad this update, it really needs a buff in the stam and accel depeartment because it is horrid to play. If u lose to a carno this update it is a SKILL ISSUE, especially if u are playing a cera. Carno desperatly needs a buff

[distant torrent]

it’s bad alone but it’s very overpowering in groups of 3 or more purely because of the needlessly high damage ram. 2 is pretty powerful if the carnos know what they’re doing but typically 3 can absolutely dominate the server. anymore than 3 and they usually go uncontested (except for the occasional huge cera megapack of course)

[true topaz]

i consider my self a "good" carno player. but i havent played much recently and i think =, when i last grew a carno, that carno stam and stuff is just plain bad

the only way ive found ways to win is ambushing, but that can be pretty hard when my acceleration for a ram is like 5 seconds

yes carno has damage on its side but atm it is braindead to play, especially recently

but we all know dryo is the best playable

[distant torrent]

yea stam is horrible when you’re alone. in a group you don’t have to worry about stam as much because it’s just a game of taking turns giving something the ram pain train from different directions so dodging is very difficult

I love dryo

[true topaz]

lol

[true topaz]

yes, but still, the stam needs a buff aswell as accel

devs just need to bring back update 4.5-6 carno

very balanced version

[distant torrent]

that’ll make it even more overpowering so I really hope they heavily tune down that ram so it’s not some unavoidable beast that’ll flatten you without contest

[true topaz]

it was never overpowered

just add more larger hebis and carnis and bam, problem soved

.

[distant torrent]

no one will play the smaller herbis and carnis then if they don’t stand a good chance against carnos

[true topaz]

carno was balanced and people played everything, mostluy croc and stego but besides point

i am a avg cera enjoyer, but it is sad to see the state carno is in atm. it needs to be reverted back

[distant torrent]

I miss the days where teno could comfortably take on two carnos

[true topaz]

nahh, skilled tenos

if i had old carno i could solo a teno or two easily

i do like tenos versiltily against carno but carno doenst really stand achance atm

it was even if both players werent braindead

[distant torrent]

I’m thinking back to when the slam actually did more damage and was a counter to the ram

a genuinely punishing counter for a careless carno

now it just goes through the slam

and slam does less damage than a single carno bite

[true topaz]

yes, but still, carno needs a buff, my only point

carno stam and accel is sad

i cnat run 5 seconds without draining all stam

make carno have its older stats from 4.5-6 idc when, and give teno a tail slam increase

[distant torrent]

there was a proposed change to carno I really liked I’ll see if I can’t find it and link it

[true topaz]

ok, bc right now... i thnk it shoudl be able to run for a bit, since it should be fast and have some stam

[distant torrent]

#balance-feedback message and #general-feedback-discussion message

[true topaz]

i like it besides acceleartion on the first one

make accel faster

[distant torrent]

except I really want an overall damage reduction to playables above half its weight so it can’t just brainlessly facetank things such as teno with the bite damage buffs. it’d be somewhat similar to cera’s current body buffs (but not nearly as strong. 50% is just absurd to me lol)

[true topaz]

by like 1.5 seconds

idrm, i think its cool, ive always wanted a headswing bc of pesky videos lol

i think both are cool

maybe the charge can go from 2 to 3 charges

[distant torrent]

better accel + better turn = very good small game hunter (and so it’ll need to be nerfed so it’s not an overpowering large game hunter too)

[true topaz]

finally some not braindead islecordians

[distant torrent]

honestly I’d love to save the 3 charges for a perk/mutation when those come in

that’s what I want for dryo

[true topaz]

idk, i like it hunting tenos and ceras and stuff, it shouldnt be limited since people dont play much smaller creatures besides omni

i would like if cera could eat fish tho

would be dope since it did irl, atleats people think

also add dryo ai so i can see my fellow dryos 4 once

[distant torrent]

it could still hunt tenos and ceras with the changes, it’d just make it a bit harder (not impossible)

[true topaz]

it kinda hard with teno with the current state of carno, but other wise i like it

carno needs some buff idrc

[distant torrent]

it’s actually not purely because of the fact ram and go through slam. you can out damage the teno in trade offs. usually an average teno can win against 1 carno, but with 2, you’re going to need a rock to jump onto to survive that lol

[true topaz]

carno has slow accel so it can be hard to get the jump all the time, but yes atm 2 win, but most tenos are in groups so idk

[distant torrent]

they’re in groups because solo play is unfortunately a death sentence because of how many people play carno or cera. I refuse to touch teno unless I have a group. In a way, it’s kind of like carno like that. solo play is terrible but at least you have better survivability in large groups

[true topaz]

yes

atleast im not talking to a braindead islcordian lol

[distant torrent]

lol

[true topaz]

most popele here have bad opinions yet get upvotes i dont get it

if the devs lsten to them there soemthing wrong

[distant torrent]

some people have different opinions and views on things

[true topaz]

yes, most arent good lol

[distant torrent]

(teno getting nerfed basically every update in a nutshell lmao)

[true topaz]

oof, they finally listened on carno hate too

[distant torrent]

Ill never forget someone suggesting teno should easily be soloed by a single carno without any contest

[true topaz]

omg, only if it a good carno tho

and a bad teno

otherwise nahhhhhh, lol

the thing is, people wnat to get rid of mixpackers, yet the thing is (im not one i still hate them) they can do what they wnat, if you dont like mixpacking, than just go to a community server smh

it can be annoying tho

like they wnat debufss or soething

[distant torrent]

there’s not many unofficials that are populated that have simple rules like no mixpacking (that I know of) without anything else attached that’s not very pleasing

[true topaz]

yes, but there is some popular ones like islander, and a youtiber can easily make another lol. people be fiending. mixpackers are a reason i play unoffical most of time

[distant torrent]

but I really do get where they’re coming from. I don’t agree, but I get where they’re coming from. normally there’s just a bunch of friend groups on discord that play on official so you get mixpacks

[true topaz]

yes

[distant torrent]

is islander one of the ones with silly body down rules and whatnot? not sure about most people, but an unofficial I’d gladly play is one with only no mixpacking rules (and light canni rules that are reasonable. I still want to swing on a lil steg as an adult steg if it won’t stop 1 calling lmao)

[true topaz]

yea, it not bad tho, i pay it sometimes beceause it has many people in it

it has like a 150 max i think

i forgot

[unborn iris]

Petit pieds is best bet for EU low rules. Islander has like 10 pages of rules and body down, no herbivore aggression.. I always hear people complaining the admins only enforce rules for their friends.

[true topaz]

lol, i dotn see much, i only follow rules slightly

[dusky surge]

carno does need a buff, but it also needs a nerf

base stats, like stam, accel, trot speed, bleed modifiers, hunger, etc are all underpowered and need to be looked into (probably don't buff them all at once tho)

but then there's charge, which manages to be the most overpowered attack in the game (besides deino lunge), thus being a colossal problem. Nerf the charge and then buff everything else for an actually fair and balanced animal that doesn't feel like garbo to play

it's a garbage animal with an amazing, overpowered attack

[true topaz]

it cant charge everything. just add 2 tcisk that have a 1 min cooldown like soemone said erlier

[dusky surge]

if it didn't have current charge, it'd have no redeeming qualities. It needs to be buffed so it isn't so pathetic without charge, and then the charge needs a nerf

[dusky surge]

i said that lol

that was my suggestion for it

[true topaz]

brudda, what

its not overpowered and carno is a great dino

[dusky surge]

carno is great, but in game, it's garbage, statistically

and yes, charge is overpowered

carno itself isn't overpowered, but charge is

carno is in a very odd spot

[true topaz]

it is in a odd spot

how is the caharge overpowered, it is somewaht similar to tail slam for teno

[dusky surge]

it DESPERATELY needs a buff to its base stats, because it's just in such a poor position, but because of how insanely powerful its charge is, any buff would make it extremely oppressive

[true topaz]

and cera at any size can easily make a grown stego puke

[true topaz]

stam drains so fast when u use it u must have played it recently, its braindead to play

[true topaz]

def not fair and balanced

[dusky surge]

teno tail-slam:

• back facing attack that does knockdowns
• hitbox is thin, meaning it can be dodged easily
• 150 damage
• requires enemy to attack you
• windup animation allowing you to dodge or interrupt

carno charge:

• forward-facing attack that can move at 55.5km/hr and does knockdowns
• takes up carno's entire hitbox when in use
• 350 damage
• does not require you to be in a defensive position and can be used offensively or defensively
• no windup animation

[dusky surge]

the stamdrain is far too fast, i agree

they should decrease the damage and not make it so punishing to use

[true topaz]

tahts why it should have 2-3 ticks that dont use stam taht have a cooldown

[dusky surge]

yea but also nerf the damage to go with that

350 is an insane number

teno's tailslam has had its damage nerfed 2 seperate times, carno hasn't

[true topaz]

yea, thats fine aslong as teh animal it knocks stays down a second longer

bc they nerfed knocked down times a couple of times

[dusky surge]

i still don't know why teno got nerfed but whatever

[true topaz]

i dont get why carno got nerfed

it was balanced

[dusky surge]

because it was broken in U6, but not because of its stats

it had a planetary sized hitbox on its charge that made it impossible to deal with

[true topaz]

u6 only thing wrong with it was its ram turning speed

[dusky surge]

nah, the hitbox was actually bugged

[true topaz]

thats latency issues and a bugged hitbox

[dusky surge]

it extended out beyond 2x of the carno's actual body size

like it was a known bug

[true topaz]

jsut bring back 4.5-5.5 carno

it was very balanced then, besides overpopulaitipn

[dusky surge]

i mean i just want a patch that'll nerf the carno's charge and make its stats not terrible

[true topaz]

if dmg gets reduced than stun should be longer imo