general-feedback-discussion

[unreal ridge]

the titano f150, all terrain goat mode

[balmy meadow]

Titanoboa, a proper predator of the Deino, would mainly live in the swamps and denser-treed areas! Their prey could be water-based, but they could hide in trees, scouting the water for prey. They could then drop down, coiling anything that comes near the water, swallowing it whole, then slithering back into the trees to await their next meal

Hows that?

[willow zealot]

You know what would be terrifying

Titanoboa going through vents in a large building

[unreal ridge]

titanoboa gameplay would be weird tho

[balmy meadow]

It would make them their naturalistic water predators but a unique gameplay of hiding in trees

[balmy meadow]

[unreal ridge]

you eat one giant meal and your set for about 3 months lol

[willow zealot]

Same would go for crocs but look at Deino

[unreal ridge]

im gonna remove titan from the suggestion

[balmy meadow]

While true, the time in game is sped up which would make them move around more for food

We love us a terror-snake

[burnt bone]

Irl it was likely aquatic. But like half the Dinos we have are in completely different niches.
Hypsi is a bird of paradise, spits stomach bile, and lives in trees.
Herrera climbs like a damn squirrel.
Carno rams
Teno tail slams
Austro and beipi are semi aquatic
Dilo and trio use venom, and hallucinations and mimicking respectively.

So making titano arborial wouldn’t stand out much.

[balmy meadow]

GIVE US ARBORIAL TITANO!

[unreal ridge]

yes

[balmy meadow]

I decided to add another achievement called "Its a terror.." for the Tisso strain even if it isnt confirmed

Why not make it a trio?

[limber hull]

tisso better get in and magna better not istg

[balmy meadow]

GIVE US THE SPIKY LADS

We need spoikes

[unreal ridge]

quetz needs an achievement, death from above (eat 100 babies ???)

[balmy meadow]

Ooh perhaps,,

[burnt bone]

Also I can think of many things to make styraco different from diablo.
Diablo is more of a bruiser that attacks basically anything that comes near it, using raw damage to just maul whatever stands too close.

Styraco could be the glass cannon of the ceratopsians. It could have high speed, but low stamina and acceleration. Essentially it’s game plan is to just run straight at anything it can kill and impale it at full speed like the murder unicorn it is. Anything it can’t fight it just uses its high speed to run away.

[unreal ridge]

but what does it have over others? diablo and styraco will be a similar size with stabby stabby weapons, pachyrhino is the same but its got a distinct set of weaponry

[unreal ridge]

another idea for achievement "balanced diet" for omnivores, you need to eat one of everything, every plant every animal every egg , etc

[burnt bone]

As I said playstyle can be very different. Diablo could be a brawler while styraco could be glass cannon.
Similar to how rex is going to be just massive raw damage and giga is a bleeder.

[fleet wigeon]

Where did you hear about most of these dinosaurs? Out of all of them, I’ve only heard Styracosaurus, Rugops, and Brontosaurus were planned

[unreal ridge]

I used the wiki and did some research on the topic from youtubers

[limber hull]

i still don't know why you commented on carchar, dakota and megaraptor when none of these animals are on the official roster for the game

[unreal ridge]

just incase, theres no reason for them to be added

[fleet wigeon]

Or Corythosaurus either

[limber hull]

No cory is on the roster

[unreal ridge]

corythosaurus has no need for being added

[limber hull]

Cory is absolutely on the roster

[burnt bone]

Honestly I would have to see a good ability for BOTH Cory and para to see them both be added. Otherwise one will overshadow the other, and para is much more staple pick with a more unique crest.

So I can agree with Cory being removed.

[balmy meadow]

Okay so I did an edit for the Titanoboa, yall wanna see?

Personally Id think they'd inhabit swamps!

Find the Titano

I feel like they'd remain still in the trees, waiting for prey to walk beneath them. They would then fall on it, wrap it, and swallow it whole

[unreal ridge]

hint

oh nvm i see it

[balmy meadow]

Only the head is visible

I feel like they, if they chose their skin for camouflage, could hide reaaally well in trees

[unreal ridge]

i like this

oh its very smoll pic

[balmy meadow]

Hiding in the trees, awaiting the ambush

[unreal ridge]

i could imagine a titanoboa caught in the open

trying to get itself up a palm tree

[balmy meadow]

Similar to how deinos are threatened out of the water, a titano would be really out of their element out of the trees

[balmy meadow]

Titano trying to wrap itself around a tree would be a complex but interesting animation

Because they could either have a set animation per tree, or try could make it so the titano has to wrap itself manually, like mild ragdoll

[unreal ridge]

yes

[glacial lily]

I honestly forgot they planned on adding that to the game

[urban flax]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/922754663156174848
People didn't like the idea at the time when I suggested it

[balmy meadow]

How come?? Arboreal titano is awesome

I would suggest it next but Im suggesting my mutations next

[urban flax]

What mutations ? Random skin mutations when nesting in, like what's been suggested 2000 times already ? Or something original ?

[balmy meadow]

Jeez dude nevermind then

[urban flax]

I didn't want to sound mean xD

[balmy meadow]

Idk I guess its a good point, I just think it'd be cool for certain skin mutations to have pros and cons

Such as proper albinos having unique eyes that false-binos wouldn't have

[urban flax]

I don't think players should have random mutations with drawbacks when being nested it, that's just ruining a life for nothing

Especially in a survival game

[balmy meadow]

The ones I was suggesting would be mainly that the skins would be brighter, which players already make

[grand zinc]

Mutations should only be skin wise not stat wise

[unreal ridge]

@glacial lily you cant talk in the suggestions channel, you can hate me here

[balmy meadow]

Yeah! Mine were adjusted to only be cosmetic after some complaint

Heres Albinism:

- Albinism: Dinosaurs born with albinism are born with bright white skin and unique red-pink eyes. While hard to camouflage both day and night, dinosaurs with this mutation are seen as good luck as true albinos, those with the pink eyes, are a rare sight. They usually don’t survive to adulthood, but those who do have a chance to pass their albinism to their offspring, about a 5% chance. However, if an albino adult manages to pair with another albino, they have a 10% chance to pass it on.

[urban flax]

Imagine creating a wolrd in minecraft and the game tells you "ok you can play but actually you're impaired so you can't sprint and you can only walk slowly"
Albinism in the Isle would be pretty much the same thing

[balmy meadow]

With peoples opinions and help, I removed most of the cons due to, while realism is fun and all, it wouldnt be fun to play

[urban flax]

It's the game just randomly kicking you in the butt for daring to play it

[balmy meadow]

So the only cons with the Albinism is that the skin is a bit bright, but you would get an awesome unique eye type and your colors would be almost seethrough

I also have Melanism and Vitiligo written

[urban flax]

What if you don't want to play as an ugly white dino with pink eyes ?

[balmy meadow]

Well the chance would be very low

Also.. albino animals arent ugly

[urban flax]

What if you spent 30 minutes making your perfect skin, only for it to get yeeted and you are greeted with a white dino instead ?

[balmy meadow]

No no no, it would ONLY be nested in

[urban flax]

So I would feel even more fucked because it had a low chance to happened but still happened to me

[balmy meadow]

Meaning if you spawned in you would 100% of the time keep your designed skin

[urban flax]

Same problem
Even if you don't get to design your skin when nested in (which is a problem imo and shouldn't stay in the public branch)

[balmy meadow]

Mutations are a natural occurrence man? If you dislike being born with albinism then just get another egg from the parent

[urban flax]

It's nothing but a random chance of being born with a disadvantage for no reason

[urban flax]

So you waste one of the paren'ts eggs
Not everything from real life should be put into the game

Otherwise might as well give a chance for players to be born blind

[balmy meadow]

Why be so negative though? Jeez dude its just an idea that I thought was cool

[glacial lily]

i'm not hatin, i'm just stating there are a few people here who like the idea of a big roster

[urban flax]

I'm negative because I see nothing good coming from this idea, and I would hate to waste a life because devs listened to something that was just "cool in someone's head" and that ruins the experience

[limber hull]

i mean, you can just MAKE a white skin if you wanna be an albino

[balmy meadow]

[glacial lily]

not sure how flexible that is now with such different colours

[lapis swallow]

Its no hate

[balmy meadow]

I thought about other ways to implement skin mutations such as "Do a specific thing ingame and you unlock these colors" but it would spread too quickly

So idek at this point

[urban flax]

Sometimes the best solution is to do nothing

[balmy meadow]

Sorry for tryin to share an idea then ig, Ill think of somethin else

[glacial lily]

damn that shutdown looks like it hurt..

[urban flax]

tree titanoboa is good
Maybe if you post it you'll get better appreciation than I did

[limber hull]

i just want it because an arboreal aquatic is an ENTIRELY unique niche

ultimate swamp predator

and it also makes it fucking scary

[balmy meadow]

Give us the camouflaging drop-bear semi-aquatic terror snake

Find the Boa

[limber hull]

not only does it give the boa a way to not die to large apex water creatures like deino, spino and so on, but it also means it can plan its ambush from a TON of environments and become highly adaptable

swamps and jungle rivers would become a terrifying environment for small animals

(plus, a giant snake spending most of its time near swamps and jungle rivers sounds VERY fitting for such an animal)

[balmy meadow]

Swamps currently are mostly uninhabited waterwise except by a passing Deino, but it would make it then rather scary for dinosaurs with diets there

It would make dinosaurs much more aware, plus Titanos were known for a diet of gators so it would make a proper predator for deinos

[limber hull]

i see titanoaboa as a opportunistic predator that preys on animals small enough to eat and can thrive in a variety of ecosystems

[balmy meadow]

Yeah, I think I'll make it my next suggestion

In.. two hours

[limber hull]

except plains

it cant live in plains

it will 100% die in plains

[balmy meadow]

Oh 100%

Like a deino out of water, a titano out of the trees are in for a death sentence if not near water

Plus, when living in trees, Herreras may also be in their diets if they can sneak up on them

[limber hull]

I'd imagine herreras are faster tho

[balmy meadow]

Oh they 100% will be, good point

Can each dinosaur can have a max of 7 or 9 diets?

[limber hull]

i dont think there is a max

although 9 seems like the CURRENT max

(also carnivore diets are getting a HUGE change in U6)

[balmy meadow]

Ooh they are? How so?

[limber hull]

i believe they will be more based around the gore mechanic

so like, instead of species, organs or types of meat will be more meaningful

[balmy meadow]

Oooo

That sounds amazing

[limber hull]

(at least, that's what I gathered)

[balmy meadow]

Thank you for this wisdom

[limber hull]

hopeful for stuff like animals having fatty meats, muscular meat or lean meats, with high value organs like brains and whatnot

also its confirmed rot will play a huge part and meat will go off, making it poor to eat for most animals

[balmy meadow]

[jagged jewel]

not adult deinos, but maybe some juvie and potentially sub deinos

deino has an advantage, which is that it can go on land safely

a titanoboa would get its organs slowly squishe by gravity if it went on land

[jagged jewel]

you didnt add my radio tower achievement

[balmy meadow]

OH I TOTALLY MISSED IT MB

There hows that

[raw jungle]

You guys seriously don't want Bruh for the meme factor? Lame. :/ But Bruuuuuh.

[lapis swallow]

It adds nothing to the game

[raw jungle]

Its a joke.

Now carno. Carno adds nothing to the game but lag and hackers.

[lapis swallow]

Fast ambush hunter that pop control utahs

Its the fastest dino in the game

[raw jungle]

Who pop controls the carnos?

[lapis swallow]

Nobody currently because the game is currently unbalanced

[raw jungle]

This exactly.

[lapis swallow]

U5 balanced it kinda

[raw jungle]

Not really. Teno and pachy got nerfed to give carno an even easier time.

[lapis swallow]

Teno got buffs, pachy got damage nerfs but a turn and stam buff

[uneven mist]

Teno didnt get nerfed, it still is able to kill carnos easily and be able to 1v2 them

[raw jungle]

Teno tail slam was nerfed a second time in a row and yeah the damage nerf to pachy makes it even more fragile.

[uneven mist]

Pachy got a dmg nerf but i think a fracture buff too

[lapis swallow]

It has less stam cost on all attacks

Inform yourself before you complain

[uneven mist]

Tenos tail is used for stunning the oponment and its kick is its main source of power

[uneven mist]

Pachy did get a dmg nerf but a fracture buff i think

[raw jungle]

Doesn't make up for it. Carno can still spam bite it or bleed it out easily because the hitboxes were not fixed. Someone stood inside the body of a stego and kicked three times and none of them hit.

[lapis swallow]

This got fixed too

Again, inform yourself

[raw jungle]

I did I watched a stream and a teno couldn't hit a carno. Same issue. It wasn't fixed.

[lapis swallow]

Stress test?

[raw jungle]

Yes.

[lapis swallow]

I heard someone say they fixed it. Bruh

Maybe ping or something

[low canopy]

provide a link maybe

otherwise there is little to discuss

[limber hull]

reminder that most stress testers are running on 100+ ping

[charred notch]

@lapis swallow look at this man, he’s so smart :D

[raw jungle]

Not from what I witnessed. Think it was Elmaco's stream.

[worn pumice]

Teno tailslam was nerfed but the kick is now faster and deals more dmg essentially making kick the new tail slam in a way

[charred notch]

If smt doesn’t register it is most likely ping

[lapis swallow]

So I was not wrong?

[limber hull]

wasn't that the changes from 4.5

[worn pumice]

so like it got nerfed and buffed at the same time

[worn pumice]

yes, at least I think so anyways

[limber hull]

we're talking about update 5 teno

[worn pumice]

oh did it get nerfed again

[low canopy]

afaik teno has received only buffs in the test

[charred notch]

Only thing changed I think Is that tail slam uses less stam

[raw jungle]

I am not so sure as it happened on one of Scope's streams as well. I don't think its fixed but I'm not a stress tester so I can't check.

[charred notch]

Again that is just ping most likely

[worn pumice]

teno seems to be in a relatively decent spot for now at least

[raw jungle]

Someone said in stream chat the damage of the tail slam had been nerfed again. All I know is in any engagement I've seen teno has lost consistently.

[worn pumice]

did they use tail slam rather then kicks?

[raw jungle]

A combination of both.

[charred notch]

It might be less dmg and less stam consuming

[raw jungle]

Yeah I think that's the case.

[worn pumice]

guess we'll see when they drop patch notes when they release it publicly

[charred notch]

https://tenor.com/view/movie-one-eternity-later-gif-7900643

[worn pumice]

2 days left and U5 will have officialy surpassed U4 for most long awaited update

[charred notch]

Lol

[balmy meadow]

Added the radio tower ach, any other ideas?

[tepid gate]

It hasn't

[balmy meadow]

#general-feedback message

For this ^

[tepid gate]

Tenonto is unchanged aside from some potential minor fixes to its hitboxes and a reduction to its stamina cost on its tailslam and kick.

Carno's growth is now harder, its bite is less forgiving not bugged

Tenonto by every metric should be quite easily having the upper hand vs Carno with the changes that are being introduced in update 5

[charred notch]

I think this sounds great, the basic achievements will be fun and everything although the mystery are a mystery In themselves, as we don’t even know if we will be able to achieve hypo status on Dino’s. But cool

[tepid gate]

and it's not like it handled Carno badly on update 4 and 4.5 either

[balmy meadow]

Exactly why they’re hidden achievements

[charred notch]

[worn pumice]

has pachy received any changes in the stress test

[balmy meadow]

I feel like it’d be quite the show off to show you’ve gotten the achievement

[tepid gate]

Pachy I know less about since I don't care about it as much as I care about Tenonto but it has a better turn rate while ramming so it has an easier time actually landing the bonebreak on Carno so it should also be doing better vs Carno.

[worn pumice]

That’s a decent change

[tepid gate]

What I wrote above ^ but I'm not quite certain about it

I haven't asked about Pachy all that much because I don't play it much

either way just the fix of the bite sockets and the changes to carnivore diets should make Carno a bit less oppressive

[worn pumice]

utah got a bite buff i believe as well

[tepid gate]

It should be significantly harder to grow and take more effort so there's a decent chance that you won't be seeing as many of them

Yes, Utah got some buffs too, we will see how it fares on U5 when it's out

[worn pumice]

If they could just get pounce to not be so buggy constantly it wouldn’t be so bad as it has hood bleed especially in packs

[tepid gate]

That should/might be fixed to a certain extent

[worn pumice]

pounce is just one of those things where it's sort of an ongoing process of being fixed

[tepid gate]

I'm not entirely sure about it but Filipe said not to worry about it because he uses pounce for testing of all kinds of things since it's the first mechanic with a latch

I think it might be more so that it's in an ongoing process of being fixed and broken again

according to what Filipe said he just uses it to test stuff

[worn pumice]

never even thought about the fact its the first latch mechanic

[jagged jewel]

quite the contrary

[worn pumice]

Dw I have been enlightened

[still raptor]

Yea, Teno got some nice buffs.

I would still nerf Utah pounce bleed to be lower than U3.75 bleed, but the biteforce is 65 now.

Utah is nice now, besides the overtuned bleed.

[limber hull]

utah's bugginess has def saved it from many nerfs

if it starts working as it's meant to, we'll soon see it become a very dominant animal

especially with these buffs

[lapis swallow]

But I dont think it will get nerfs anytime soon

[old void]

they just buffed it again wym

[limber hull]

that's what im saying

its a very powerful animal that's not been nerfed because its performance has been historically hindered by bugs and issues that cause it to die in unfavourable circumstances

if it were fully functional, it may well be the strongest animal in the game, and U5 makes it even stronger

[old void]

Well the Utah is a fan favorite so its going to be powerful

[limber hull]

ehhh

that's not how this works

[old void]

Sure...

[limber hull]

you cant define balance on what is or isn't a "fan favourite"

[old void]

"rex"

[limber hull]

legacy

[old void]

they removed bone break from herbies due to the rex being a fan fav

[limber hull]

legacy balance is barely a point to be made, that shit has always been inherently broken

[old void]

this is true but its the same ppl

[limber hull]

who have proven they're willing to improve the balance

[old void]

but as the ecosystem changed i suspect the buffs and nerfs will change constantly

[limber hull]

that will happen

remember, utah, despite being a fan fave, got DESTROYED in update 3.75

[old void]

it now taked 19 hits on a pachy to kill a Carno or something like that

[limber hull]

it was a massive nerf to the animal

lost over half its health, the ability to pin animals larger than itself, a ton of pounce damage, so on

[old void]

Entire U4 was the Carno Reign so i think its time the Utah gets a little love in U5

[limber hull]

U4 was actually horrible for carno, it was U4.75 that saved it from being dogshit tier

[old void]

ah ive only played the last month

[limber hull]

But U4 was the herbi/oasis reign

so really every carnivore was suffering

[old void]

Pachy got nerfed, and i think teno got buffed?

[limber hull]

i do think that utah will likely be in for a big nerf if they do have the pounce functional this patch

but it'll get a little time in the sunlight at least

utah's been dismissed for quite a while

[old void]

yea i agree time to buddy up and have a lil fun till it gets balanced

[hidden pilot]

@left storm They're adding an accurate utahraptor with feathers and the current one will be renamed

[uneven mist]

Wont they make it so that you can choose to have feathers for our current utah?

[old void]

yea they said it will give u an option for our feather lovers

[hidden pilot]

maybe

[old void]

legit said that in one of the dev logs

[hidden pilot]

but things that will have feathers by default wont have an option for unfeathered option

[uneven mist]

Pluss our old utah did not look good, but its old cals from early evrima was good

[frail glen]

Update 5 is delayed ? 2 months????? 🤔

[hidden pilot]

probably not

[frail glen]

I saw that in #general-feedback

I was about to sell my pc

[hidden pilot]

It had no evidence

other than filipe saying that they had an issue

and then he said that there may be a fix

[frail glen]

Mey? That may sounds like a lot of weeks

May*

[hidden pilot]

He said that they're gonna test again to see if whatever it was is fixed

[uneven mist]

Not delayed by two months, they wanted to release u5 two months ago. They might be able to release the update this week but that depends if they fixed the unreal engine issue

But it could take longer

[frail glen]

I want to cry lol

[uneven mist]

Yeah its all up to epic games rn

[frail glen]

When u say epic games it reminds me of fortnite

[uneven mist]

Lol

[frail glen]

I just want to have cool skins and kill stegos nests

That’s all I care about

I guess I gotta wait 🥲

[uneven mist]

Good thing is i heard that pounce is kinda fixed in the stress test but i fear it might break again when it is released to the public🥲

[frail glen]

Imagine they update it and then take it down and we can’t play at all for a week lol

🥲

[burnt bone]

Honestly, I don't think pachy was nerfed too hard, if anything it was buffed. They just changed its stats to better reflect its intended playstyle: Break and run.
The main issue with current pachy is that its too hard to actually break and run, but groups can easily maul something the moment they break it. So pachy got a turning buff and stamina buff, making breaking and running easier. They also nerfed its damage to both compensate for the stam buff and make it harder to just beat things to death. I dont think its alt got nerfed, so it can still maul things in its own weight class, like it is supposed to, but can't constantly use ram to break, stun, and kill things larger than itself with one ability.

I also need to see if they changed the knock down/stun ranges on ram. Currently pachy can stun up to 3 tons and knock down up to 1.5 tons with ram.

[uneven mist]

Think they Also buffed its fracture but i could be wrong

[clever thorn]

@strong fog someone above mine a few Hours ago sayd that there are Problems with Update 5 because of EOS or something and that it got delayed for another 2 months

[hidden pilot]

Its not delayed 2 months. they wanted to release it 2 months ago

[uneven mist]

Not delayed by two months, they wanted to release u5 two months ago. They might be able to release the update this week but that depends if they fixed the unreal engine issue

[clever thorn]

ooooooooohhhhh my mistake boys 😄

[uneven mist]

Its alright👍

[balmy meadow]

Time for my Titano suggestion

[small ruin]

there's to many deinos lol, i died 4 times with the utah trying to get to the other side of the water qwq

[balmy meadow]

Exactly why the big ol snake would prey on them! Slim the population

[uneven mist]

Juvis Yeah….i dont see titanoboa prey on adults

[balmy meadow]

Oh yeah I should probably clarify that

There

Yeah they def wouldnt be able to coil full adults! Juveniles to new-ish subs though would be free game

[uneven mist]

I kinda like the idea of an semi-aquatic/aboreal titanoboa but i think it wil proly be the last to be implemented if nothing goes wrong or breaks

[balmy meadow]

Yeah, Titano is probably gunna be one of the final few sadly

[uneven mist]

And its kinda hard imagening titano up tree’s without them breaking but if they are gona implement it they wil most likely make it wery interesting abd not just a «worse deino»

[balmy meadow]

It would probably help if the trees in the swamps were a bit bigger or denser, but there are trees that would probably be able to hold their weight

[uneven mist]

Yeah huge swamp trees i could see hold its weight

[balmy meadow]

It could also be that maybe at adult they would leave the drop-bear playstyle to become a fully aquatic, but that just seems like deino so I prefer the trees

[uneven mist]

I could see it live mostly up tree’s as a juvi and go to water to get fish but as older it gets it isn’t able to go up those tree’s anymore and need to go up huge trees that can hold their weight

[balmy meadow]

I like that! I hope they add larger swamp trees to make this a possibility because mangrove trees? Theyre just cool on their own

[uneven mist]

Hope they do that to Mega too and juvi utah, juvi Mega would we able to Climb tree’s but as older it got it can kinda still do it but worse. As for utah, juvis could kinda be able to Climb up trees but as it got older it can only scramble up smal trees snd rocks

[hidden pilot]

@balmy meadow Wasnt titanoboa like way too big and heavy to climb?

[uneven mist]

Yeah marshes, a better swamp and mangove’s i want

[balmy meadow]

Most likely irl, but ingame really anythings possible

Considering hypsi spits acid, I dont think a climbing snake is too strange

It would make for an interesting unique playstyle instead of a Deino-copy

[uneven mist]

I mean if it just is able to Climb on thick and huge tree’s in the swamp and around waters and not the normal jungle trees then im ok with it

[urban flax]

Damn you got a lot of upvotes on your titanoboa suggestion
I'm jealous
That's clearly because of the picture

[balmy meadow]

Always good to show an example

[balmy meadow]

@past furnace The problem with doing that is that people would exploit it to KOs

Its nice in theory but overall it would probably just cause more trouble

[hidden pilot]

@past furnace PoT player

[cosmic nest]

What may be better than the full size of Isla Spiro as a map is to split it into different maps, separated by the current barrier system

For example, Isla Spiro NW, Isla Spiro NE, Isla Spiro SE, Isla Spiro SW may all be different maps (playable areas) on the same island, keeping an enjoyable density of players while still technically having a large map

[past furnace]

Oof

[past furnace]

Yeah that's why I mentioned it only boosting to the point where you last got. After some time though, it sounds like a bunch of unnecessary code

[rare pond]

@maiden anvil To be completely honest, there is no way for anything to stand a chance against an animal that specializes in water, it's just unlikely for anything to perform the way you presented it to be in your concepts

[turbid shore]

yo are the glitched water drinking spots patched now or will be in update 5

[balmy meadow]

Will be in the next update

[maiden anvil]

While I do understand that tenonto could very well end up over powered if it does receive such aquatic adapted physical attributes, I also like to mention it could be an effective way to make it its ultimate self

[rare pond]

But then it would make it semi-aquatic if it could fulfill what you introduced in the concept you made

[snow loom]

because many times I fall off a brae and I die from the fall, because there is no visualization to know. And every dinosaur will knock me down and kill me with one hit dropped to the ground? if this is the purpose of the game combat, only the Legacy community will stay in The Isle, no new player will want to participate in this garbage combat. ???

[proven river]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-不造-i-dont-know-gif-5094560

[maiden anvil]

I do see what you’re hinting towards and to some extant I can agree. However, the way I view what defines a semi aquatic is how well an animal is adapted to a aquatic environment. I didn’t want it to sound like tenonto should spend most time in the water but rather for temporary moments to get food and could use the water as an escape advantage towards larger threats like allosaurus

[proven river]

that sounds well and good which it is but I think it could be kinda abused

[maiden anvil]

Was that for me?

[urban flax]

@tulip wyvern There are scammers on every single big discord server. The best thing you (and mods) can do is that you report them so they get banned.

[proven river]

Ye

[proven river]

Could be a super cool perk thing tbh

[maiden anvil]

Yooo that’s a really cool idea actually!

[proven river]

[limber hull]

AQUATIC TENO PERK TREE

I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS SINCE THE BEGINNING AND NO ONE HAS BEEN LISTENING

[proven river]

[proven river]

Ok I'm no one now

[maiden anvil]

Sorry…

[limber hull]

what?

[proven river]

Uh

[limber hull]

why are you sorry lmao

[lapis swallow]

There is many people that want a aquatic teno

[tight oxide]

cheetah Carno

Endurance hunting humans

[maiden anvil]

Because I haven’t listen to you before about teno aqua perk

[valid zephyr]

Tenonto which can utilise the water better is perfection. Moose style.

I would like to see it get its accurate size though.

[urban flax]

@obsidian island That's already how it works in evrima

[obsidian island]

oh nice

[maiden anvil]

@obsidian island I’f anything, AI shouldn’t spawn near any form of hotspot tbh

[dusk meteor]

That's a terrible idea. Ai spawns in themselves basically form hotpots l, some places are better for spawning ai than others.

Not that a new person would have any idea that the reason they can't find food is because they're in an arbitrary hot spot.

[snow loom]

The Isle Legacy's combat system is complete garbage. Do your best so that Evrima is not close to that. Otherwise the audience for this game will never grow. Make a fight for those who have a brain that thinks more than circling your enemy and biting his tail.

[icy lion]

Have you played evrima?

[snow loom]

yes I was playing, I installed Legacy to test it, and I felt like shitting on this game

not even Free Look works to rotate the screen and see the back

😂

[icy lion]

So why bring it up here? This channel is for discussing posts shared in #general-feedback

[snow loom]

I take it where I think I should. Go read a book or watch a movie

move on

[icy lion]

K

[sick dirge]

the arrogance is palpable

[barren zephyr]

noooo my suggestion 😭😭😭

vector dinos 😎

[urban flax]

What does that even mean

[barren zephyr]

the definition that isn’t to do with magnitude and direction

par exemple, a vector is some species of mosquito

[urban flax]

And ?

[limber hull]

what in God's good and holy name is a vector dino

[barren zephyr]

yeah it would be so cool to add 😁

[urban flax]

I still don't know what a vector dino is either

Are you talking about subspecies ?

[limber hull]

i honestly dont think it means anything at this point

[barren zephyr]

a vector

[limber hull]

you have successfully clarified absolutely nothing about what you are talking about

[barren zephyr]

call biologist bilbo

@barren zephyr

[barren zephyr]

what’s up

what an awesome suggestion wee

yeah wee’s suggestion is awesome and correct

[urban flax]

Are you gonna explain it ?

[barren zephyr]

no

^

[urban flax]

too bad

[barren zephyr]

add vector dinos they’re epic

A vector is an organism that carries a (usually latent) disease, in most of the cases a parasitic protozoan, a virus or a bacteria

Any pathogen

that could be a strain

make that a strain

[urban flax]

So the suggestion is about adding plagued dinos ?

Good thing it was removed then I guess

[barren zephyr]

I have absolutely no idea I didn’t even see the suggestion

#ai-feedback message

I am surprised that suggestion did well as it did bilbo

[urban flax]

I'm surprised too

[barren zephyr]

I definitely do not have an influence

That suggestion was shit

Literally

bilbo and his gang

no it’s epic

LMFAO

vector dinos ftw

it went so far because it had statistics

I still think it could work as a strain

corona virus but it’s a dinosaur

[urban flax]

I'm not sure a strain that specializses in bringing diseases would be that interesting...

Imagine, you gotta play either as a monstrous tank whose claws and teeth can rip through steel, a mastermind able to control machines, creatures and the elements alike
or
something that makes people sick :(

[lapis swallow]

@cyan dagger did you die to canni carnos?

[cyan dagger]

i died to canni carnos that acted friendly first witch happens way to often people just see it as a easy meal but it is just toxic deff should not be on there diet

[urban flax]

I think carnos having to not trust each other is kinda the point

[lapis swallow]

Then dont trust them

[cyan dagger]

you right ill just play solo and pretned like its not a prob lol

[urban flax]

It's not a problem for people who realize they're playing as a cannibalistic species in a survival game

[cyan dagger]

woundt be if they took the diet out not like we dont deal with enouf cannibals in this game even when its not for it to be encourged as well just makes it so much worse

[lapis swallow]

Stop playing a cannibalistic species if you dislike the idea

[cyan dagger]

?? no i dislike and voiced my opion about and am going to keep doing so you can deal with it to tell me to stop playing as if that was the solve all is crazy

[uneven mist]

We arent telling you to stop playing but you are playing as a cannibalistic species so expect to be killed by your own kind

[cyan dagger]

again if i dont like the idea feedback is where i put that input carno was not always on carno diet the only reason it is a cannibalistic species is because its on there diet witch i want changed wether or not i play carno anymore has nothing to do with that

[tepid gate]

Yea it wasn't "always" on Carno diet because Carno diet is a thing only since update 4 and... that's pretty much the moment when Carno became a cannibal

not like it was getting punished for cannibalising before that

[hidden pilot]

@cyan dagger Carnotaurus is an abelisaurid which is a group of dinosaurs that are theorized to have cannibalized frequently. So thats why carno is on carno diet and just dont trust people and ur fine

[tepid gate]

Yea... I really don't think that had much if any effect on the devs making it a cannibal

[tight oxide]

Eh pretty sure thats a reason why its a cannable

I mean if it was known as a pack hunter then....

[tepid gate]

it's not, the devs made it a cannibal simply because it's fast and no animal on the current roster can actively go after it if it decides to just dip

[hidden pilot]

i would presume cus its also one of the only abelisaurids

[tight oxide]

Tbf if Carno dips then it loses out on a potential meal that could cost it, it's life

well nutrients ig since ai

[tepid gate]

We will see if T.rex and Allo end up being cannibals then I guess the devs were actually trying to go full on realism with cannibalism but I seriously doubt that

[tight oxide]

I hope rex is cannible

I really want to see less of them

[tepid gate]

there's no evidence of Carno itself being a cannibal aside from the fact that... well, it's a theropod and there's quite a bit of evidence that theropods in general cannibalised each other

[hidden pilot]

@cyan cypress venom isnt the same as poison. It has to get into the bloodstream to actually have an affect, otherwise it can be digested just fine.

[tepid gate]

Allo, T.rex and Majungasaurus - animals from 3 different unrelated clades all displayed evidence of cannibalism so I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that most theropods considered their own kind as food under the right circumstances

[tight oxide]

Poor solo Utahs

[hidden pilot]

not sure if i'd say most, just more than we might think

[tepid gate]

Not really, I literally mean "most". We also have evidence that Deinonychus sodded off from its parents relatively quickly and this is likely because its parents would start considering it a meal past a certain point so

yea - theropods aren't exactly going to be earning awards for good parenting

aaand they were likely cannibals - like a lot of them as I stated before

As for Carno however - there's 0 direct evidence of it being a cannibal

[hidden pilot]

Its thought that a lot of maniraptorian theropods were decent parents and not cannibals

i believe

[cyan cypress]

I mean poison glands would work too

[tepid gate]

Yea idk about maniraptorans being good parents - as I stated above we suspect dromaeosaurs of munching on their own kind

[hidden pilot]

maybe for magy if thats what the devs were hinting at with its foul meat

[hidden pilot]

I've never heard of a theory of cannibalising dromaeosaurs

[tepid gate]

Let me just link you the message of Random regarding that

[hidden pilot]

Go on...

[tepid gate]

Oof, Idk if I will be able to find it now

but in general from what I remember he put it this way - the isotopic study on the deinonychus suggests that they ate different things at different stages of their life

the small deinonychi had to relatively quickly leave the parental care because there would be a point where their parents could start perceiving them as food

if you think about it even Saurian portrays it in that manner

with Dakotaraptors hunting you if you hang around them as a juvenile for too long

Pardon me, it wasn't Random who said that, it was Charybdis, that's why I couldn't find it

#paleotalk message

So yea - those guys were likely cannibals too

[sage spindle]

@barren zephyr i was thinking about animations for babies to! would be cute to have a lower softer clal for them so its not as load and ear catching for other dinos as well as a nuzzle animation for baby and parents or both parents!

[barren zephyr]

For sure! It would generally be better as it's more natural and realistic rather than using a 2 call to teammates

[visual solar]

didnt legacy have a map with lava features? i swear there was a map with lava hidden deeeeeep in the mountains

[limber hull]

there was

i know because i journeyed my para with a friend all the way up there for the sole purpose of killing it as a joke

frankly, very funny

[worn pumice]

Thenyaw right

Or is that a diff map

[limber hull]

i think it was thenyaw

[visual solar]

thenyaw sounds familiar. might be cool to have that back :)

[limber hull]

ehhh

i personally don't want any of the legacy maps back

wouldn't be ideal to try and support an aquatic ecosystem with tons of very disconnected and usually quite small lakes. Deinosuchus be damned

[visual solar]

well no not the exact map thats not what i meant ^^ i mean it would be cool to have lava somewhere

[worn pumice]

Maybe in a specific area that might be interesting

[balmy meadow]

Crop-meal for baby pteras

[solid wedge]

Like a pelican pouch thing?

[balmy meadow]

Kind of, but not visually! A crop is where some birds hold extra food

Here, I’ll get a visual example

“The crop (also known as the ingluvies) is a muscular pouch located on the front of a bird's neck, above the top of the chest or sternum. It is an enlargement of the esophagus and serves as a storage place for food.”

Best example I could get

Crop-meal or crop-milk is the food adult birds feed their young

[lethal lily]

Yes i mean this is the cutest thing ever👆

Also accurate and a good detail in my pov

[dusk meteor]

Shouldn't pupil dilation and contraction just be for everything, not just smallish things, since that's like... How eyes work to regulate the amount of light your retinas receive? 👀

Since dinosaurs are more closely related to birds their eyes should probably function more like them tbh. Their eyes will expand and contract pretty drastically based on how they feel. It's pretty rad to watch.

[lapis swallow]

@ruby eagle what do you mean, I cant understand what you are trying to say?

[ruby eagle]

Ah sorry if my text doesn’t understand but what I’m trying to say is like what if dilo had a crawling system and it will give a speed boost to it and when it speed body is could like jump and land on a prey or something and snap it necks

[lethal lily]

Yes, I meant It for dinosaurs with slit pupils, but that's how all pupils work in general

[lapis swallow]

So kinda like ambushing? This does not fit dilo.

Dilo already has its venom

[ruby eagle]

Oh it does?

[lapis swallow]

Yes

[ruby eagle]

I didn’t knew welp ig the crawling system can be use for another dino

[lapis swallow]

I think they wont add the ambush

[ruby eagle]

Yea prob since evrima like a new chapter starting everything fresh off

[drifting rose]

@ruby eagle what you described just sounds like legacy ambush

[ruby eagle]

Ik but I don’t think they Will add ambush to any carin dino in evrima

[drifting rose]

they wont... the only dino that has an ability like that is carnos ram and deinos water dash

[ruby eagle]

Oh no wonder why everytime a carno rams into me i get damage 💀

[hidden pilot]

@ruby eagle How... am i even supposed to read that suggestion...

[ruby eagle]

I just deleted it than

[hidden pilot]

ah

[gusty pelican]

I Breed These Guys, I Can Send A Pic Of One Of My Babies As A Good Example For Ya

Empty Crop-

Full Crop-

You Can Actually See The Formula “the food” Through The Top Of The Crop Until About 4 Weeks Old, Kindve Cool Imo

[barren zephyr]

#general-feedback-discussion

[uneven mist]

@barren zephyr they cant just drop it when it isn’t finished and the reasion it isn’t out yet is because they have a problem with unreal engine and they are getting help from epic games

[barren zephyr]

How many times have they said there gonna drop some and don’t they make us wait for a damn year for 1 update it’s sad this game has been out for I would say almost 10 years and even tho they do a good job they take to damn long it’s ridiculous

[hidden pilot]

we've never waited a year

[uneven mist]

Updates takes time, i understand its frusterating to wait 6 months for an update

[hidden pilot]

4 months

[uneven mist]

Well Yeah if you count the break and u4.5 then 4 months

[barren zephyr]

@bitter timber it does

[bitter timber]

are u sure cuz i haven't noticed it one bit when i play carno or teno lol

or its no staminachanging at all

[barren zephyr]

It does.

[past furnace]

I've been growing a dieno and getting that "can't eat" bug every hour or so.

[barren zephyr]

Sounds like a fate worse than death

[barren zephyr]

Hey you've waited 10 years, why not another 10? Lol

[hidden pilot]

@dark plinth literally all of the top 3 suggestions are fixed in u5

[jagged jewel]

actually top 5

[balmy meadow]

Oh sweet bbs ❤️

[jagged jewel]

what bird is that?

[hidden pilot]

oh

[past furnace]

Safe log fixed it every time so far.

[worthy plover]

yeah me too, I heard that the bug is caused when you pick something up, but i could be full of doo doo. Just spawned in and had to run from a pack of utahs, as i was running i picked up a compi so i wouldn't starve to death. Lo and behold, I can't eat the darn thing and starve to death before i can safe log, it is ridiculous how often it happens. that bug alone wards me off the game half the time and is the only thing i legitimately get mad at.

[solid wedge]

@unreal ridge I understand what you wanted to do with that idea. I wouldn't mind the slow decay, as long as they eat a large amount per sitting. A normal healthy adult rex (7-8 tons) would need at least 326–571 kg of meat per day to maintain its size. Now a predator of that size, probably wouldn't go more than 2-3 days without at least attempting to eat something give or take the size of an Tenontosaurus (1.6 tons or 1600 kg) in game. The size of a Trike (8300 kg) would likely feed 2 rex's. Assuming that dinosaurs had similar sexual dimorphisms like today reptiles (males typically larger than females), The male being est 8 tons, would leave the female around 6.75-7 tons. There daily intake being est 900kgs if they arent gorging of nesting, allowing the trike to feed them for 9 days.

[gusty pelican]

That Is A Pied Peachfaced Lovebird Mutation ^^

[hidden pilot]

@echo ridge just dont trust anyone. Boom, problem solved.

[echo ridge]

Yea, but playing as a herd animal but only going solo kinda defeats the purpose

[hidden pilot]

Dont gotta go solo, just dont fully trust anyone

[barren zephyr]

Meh balancing things like herds is tough because at the end of the day no one should trust anyone.

The Isle should be about Dominance and Submission. If you don't surrender to the opponent then you should get killed.

Once they make an actual "herd" - "pack" system I feel problems should die down.

As of now it's just "trusting" one another. Which in a primal/survival world doesn't make alot of sence.

[random night]

@echo ridge sometimes you need to kill your own kind

[echo ridge]

I get that, but even something as simple as showing you the names of your attackers would be great. Would cut down on the KoS when people start gaining a negative reputation in the community. Hell, even throwing in something when the skin system comes out, like gradually increasing the visibility of people that TK over and over, making them stand out to predators more often would be pretty cool.

[proud coral]

Getting killed is part of survival. Don't trust anyone and you'll be A-OK.

Probably. 😛

[visual dust]

@foggy lodge iirc it always restarts at the same times so until they add more warnings you can memorize those times

[foggy lodge]

and what times would that be? I’ve just recently started playing so haven’t figured these things out yet

[icy lion]

NA or EU?

[foggy lodge]

NA

[icy lion]

3:09 and 9:09 am and pm, PST

[foggy lodge]

alrighty thank you sm!

[violet magnet]

it's been 7 months since the last update

[hidden pilot]

4.5 was 4 months ago

[violet magnet]

which is still a damn long time

inb4 "GaMe DeVeLoPmEnT TaKeS TiMe"

[burnt bone]

it honestly isnt entirely their fault this time, epic games screwed them over lmao

the EOS broke, so now they have to wait for epic to fix it to release the update

[violet magnet]

was that explained in one of the Dev Blogs and I just missed it?

[burnt bone]

no, they have only said it in the discussion channel.

[limber hull]

i had a similar issue with Unity back in the studio I used to work for and holy shit this stuff is the worst, I understand the pain they have to deal with

[burnt bone]

they said its going good, so I assume it will be fixed soon.

[violet magnet]

wow, so i missed it because it just got buried under thousands of messages

[burnt bone]

Yeah its easy to miss this stuff, and now misinformation is spreading that the update is delayed for another 2 months💀
When the devs actually said U5 was planned to come out 2 months ago, not that its delayed more.

[violet magnet]

can someone provide a link to the actual message where this was all stated
the only thing I can find by searching is a bunch of confused people wondering what the issue with Epic is

[burnt bone]

punch is in the chat now, you can go ask him

[maiden anvil]

I’m not too sure of what you mean. I’m interested tho

[empty epoch]

Less

mercenary "employers"

Rather, Merc (gen 2) creators

more or less.
Mercs being made (either Genetically created or modified) by AE

Guns, buildings, hiding

Mercs are glass cannons, with the right materials

[lapis swallow]

All fun and games for them until utah pack pulls up

[empty epoch]

And also
It's not like Mercs CAN always defend themselves

They will spawn with basically nothing

[lapis swallow]

Free food

[empty epoch]

pretty much

So hide. Don't make noise.
Find buildings (or a monorail)

[lapis swallow]

Im gonna have a great time hunting humans

[empty epoch]

lol

And. Put Humans on carnivore diets too.
Screw Humans. Make them scared to fight dinos, carnis especially

[lapis swallow]

I just hope that you cant oneshot adult with guns, would be just dumb without a counterplay

[empty epoch]

Herbis? It's hard to counter sadly

[lapis swallow]

Would be dumb if you would lose your utah because some dude snipes you from a few hundred meters away

[empty epoch]

I do believe you will be able to with a shotgun on the head at close range.
But. Good luck getting that

[empty epoch]

One thing I hope that is not added is Snipers

[lapis swallow]

That is ok because you can fight back

[empty epoch]

yeah

[lapis swallow]

Yes

Just no headshot sniper kill from a few hundred meters away where you cant counter anything

[empty epoch]

Yeah. It's not a hunting game

[urban flax]

Mercs should be as dangerous to dinosaurs as dinosaurs are dangerous to mercs

[lapis swallow]

But a sniper oneshot kill feels grown

[urban flax]

They don't spawn fully capable
They spawn with no weapons

[urban flax]

Who told you there would be snipers ? Who told you they would oneshot ?

[lapis swallow]

I just stated that I dont want this in the game

[urban flax]

And the fact that a merc will be slower than a rex and killed in two utah bites ?

[empty epoch]

Well definitely. But shouldn't be promoted to fight (excluding against Tribals)

A merc with a relatively-grown armoury should be able to fight back relatively well against a mid to pseudo apex

[lapis swallow]

Read the text above

[lament scroll]

The mercs should be at a HUGE disadvantage considering they don't have a time investment on their hands, at least nothing as considerable as 4+ hours of grow time for some dinos

[urban flax]

Probably not kill them, but the dino should fear for its life if they decide to go against a well-armed merc

[urban flax]

I didn't say otherwise

[lament scroll]

You did

[urban flax]

Who told you guns would be easy to access right next to the spawn ?

[empty epoch]

Obviously.
There should be, at least hopefully, some sort of mutual fear- of sorts

[urban flax]

Where ?

[empty epoch]

I presume you replied to the wrong person

[urban flax]

oops w<rong reply yeah

[empty epoch]

thought so

[urban flax]

Scrolling brained me

[empty epoch]

Sadly, we don't know where Humans will spawn.
Same as Open QA? From the sky (old Dondi stuff)? Buildings?

Hopefully something from Dondi in the near future

[urban flax]

Even the most dedicated player can't get their hands on a massive gun in a set location if a dino is guarding the area
And if they still manage to get it, then it's skill and it's okay to reward it

[empty epoch]

All depends on how Devs balance it all

[urban flax]

My point is, considering how the isle is made and how combat works in there, a merc without the ability to kill is a walking meal

Not saying they should have it easy, but they should be fearsome opponents once well-armed

Not like you'd need to give an incentive for players to camp popular locations and kill everyone they see

[empty epoch]

all up to the devs to get it "right" (whatever that means)

[urban flax]

How can a human get away from a raptor ?

[lament scroll]

Mercs should almost never kill a dinosaur, the dino player has way too much time invested for a human to spawn in and just shoot it with a gun, everything mentioned before like tranqs, and traps, seems like a good middle ground

[empty epoch]

besides from hiding in a bush, trying to kill it (shoot it) or building.
Not much

[empty epoch]

Mercs should realistically only kill a Dino if it's being attacked

[urban flax]

But then dinos have absolutely no fear going against a human

Then the raptor exits the net and track you down in about 20 seconds ?

What ? A raptor attacks a merc headfirst, the mercs reacts in time and traps it, he runs away yet the raptor earned its kill ?

[empty epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/guns-anime-reload-bullet-weapon-gif-17579546

save your ammo ladies and gentlemen

[empty epoch]

that's also another thing with how eh scent is currently

[urban flax]

Also what about a carno then ? Will mercs be able to shoot 2-tons nets to immobilize one ?

[empty epoch]

basically just a TheHunter copy

[urban flax]

Or did the carno earn its kill too for simply seeing a merc ?

If you don't have weapons, how can you be better prepared than by having a heavy nonlethal weapon ? I don't assume people will be able to carry 4+ weapons and the ammo with them around

[empty epoch]

are you saying Mercs shouldn't have guns? (Ceph)

[lament scroll]

Tranq a carno, it falls asleep for like 40 seconds, and boom. You're gone.

[urban flax]

With one single tranq ? And you think this is better for balance than firearms ?

[lament scroll]

Probs not a single tranq

[urban flax]

So you die

Cuz you know, carnos are fast

[empty epoch]

shoot her

[urban flax]

So mercs jungle niche (where they can't see shit nor even smell things)
Got it

I'm not saying mercs shouldn't feel fear
I'm saying it should go both ways

[lament scroll]

The alternative is mercs have guns, they kill dinos, all the dino players get upset because of the hours they just lost, to a human player who spawned in, probably got a gun fairly quickly (because once a method, or spawn is know to get a gun, people will do that) and you just have breed an incredibly toxic environment

[empty epoch]

Mercs should always have guns

And it's not a thing the devs have thought otherwise

[urban flax]

bruh "assets" spend their time killing each other

[empty epoch]

Dinos are killing other dinos

[lament scroll]

The difference is humans, if they have access to guns, will get them rather quickly

[empty epoch]

and use ammo rather quick too

[urban flax]

That's a lot of assuming
Also did someone ever say guns should oneshot ?
Looking at how the damage is calculated and balanced in the game I say only a high caliber round could oneshot a utah with a headshot

[lament scroll]

that utah player would have just lost an hour or so of time

[urban flax]

So if you die to a merc (slower, weaker and with a very limited amount of attacks) as a dino, it's kinda your fault, even if they have weapons

[empty epoch]

If a Merc uses a gun and tries to kill a Dinosaur then:

• They're telling a large amount of carnis that "I'm here and ready to be hunted!"
• Wasting their time and resources
• They'll get no benefits

[urban flax]

Exactly
They don't need to just be forbidden from using guns because there's already a lot of downside for doing so

[empty epoch]

yeah

[urban flax]

And just because some dino players think "muh humans should never kill a dino we're too precious"

Merc is a diminutive for "mercenary". I've never heard of a mercenary who cannot use lethal weapons.

[empty epoch]

Although, are mercs aren't true "Mercenaries"

[lucid mauve]

i can die to a orangotango with guns , aslong as its balanced

[empty epoch]

shouldn't mean they shouldn't have a gun for protection

Not like they're given guns anyways

They're finding old weapons left during the ~90s

[urban flax]

Exactly
People assume guns will be "hurr durr AK47 go brrrrr oneshot everything in a 1000m radius"

The introduction of guns is literally supposed to be a part of the base game tho

Of course it may be hard to balance, that doesn't mean they should do it

[lament scroll]

I think you're being incredibly bad faith if you don't believe that when humans get put in and guns are in there won't be hundreds of videos on youtube showing the fastest way and safest way to get the best guns.

That's going to most likely breed toxicity within the community. You can say I'm assuming, but patterns are patterns

[urban flax]

Adding the first ranged characters in Dota probably was a tough thing to balance, yet devs didn't think "yeah no forget it archers gonna go melee"

[maiden anvil]

Sounds cool. I’d definitely would like to see something similar

[urban flax]

It is tho
It's a game-changing feature that shifts balance (not necessarily in a bad way btw)

[lament scroll]

It's not comparable

[urban flax]

Then you're not getting my point.

Mercs and gunplay are as much a part of the base game as ranged attacks in a moba

[balmy meadow]

???

[lament scroll]

at a surface level "I thought about it for .2 seconds" it's maybe comparable

[urban flax]

You're refusing to understand

[lament scroll]

You're refusing to understand

[balmy meadow]

Really good reasoning actually you right

[urban flax]

There's thousands of shooter games around to take inspiration from
Aven plenty of ones that involve humans fighting against enemies that don't have guns, or any ranged attacks at all
Survival ones, fighting ones, anything
I can give examples
Natural Selection 1 and 2, Left for Dead 2, Primal Carnage, Ark, Second Extinction, Orion: Dino Horde, Turok... and I'm only mentioning the ones I know well enough
Saying firearms can't be balanced is like saying apexes can't be balanced in the game.

[balmy meadow]

Oh, I just consider it like a “maybe” or a “thinking about it” kinda thing

[urban flax]

They can. It will take time and thought, but they definitely can and it has been done plenty of times already.

[balmy meadow]

But your example or Primal carnage doesn’t make sense in this situation

[lament scroll]

Those are all incomparable

[urban flax]

It's humans VS dinos
Dinos don't have guns
It's balanced well enough

[balmy meadow]

Primal carnage, while yes it’s another Dino game with people and guns, is a quick action game where the dinosaurs can die and respawn full adult instantly after

[urban flax]

The fact it's a survival game will obviously change how damage is calculated and how you access guns
But saying it's impossible is ignoring facts

[balmy meadow]

But.. your facts don’t make sense with the things it’s stated about

[urban flax]

I know there are other survival games out there that puts weaponized players against melee ones or unarmed, I just never played them so I didn't mention them

People already did a lot of good suggestions on how guns could be balanced

[balmy meadow]

Then neither of us have good examples of how it works, meaning your argument is kinda invalid without evidence

This argument is just going to continue all night since it’s simply just going in circles

[urban flax]

I gave examples on how it works in a PvP setting
I gave examples on how it works in a survival game
I gave example on how it works in horror games
If it can works in all of those three genres, I think it's safe to assume that it can also work in a game that is a mix of all of those
Not easily, but saying it can't is staight-out denial

Oh I forgot to give the example of Metro too
The balance and feel of guns is very good in these games too

[last lily]

Growth = same thing losing a couple hours of loot, and resources that you've been gathering overtime.

Gunplay is fine, as long as it's approached properly. And if some people find the best routes to get ahold of loot? Well, who cares; you can always go there as a dinosaur as well to kill underprepared Mercs.

Nothing stops Mercenaries from killing one another either over ammo as well which will additionally expose themselves.

Carnotaurus grows for a couple hours and chases down a solo Utah and kills it: that's fine.

Human player finds a shotgun and defends themself from a Utahraptor that ran straight at it? That's fine. You took the time to get ahold of it, you took the risk; here is your reward, now it's up to you to decide how to use it(and either fail or succeed, entirely depends on your skill and management)

[balmy meadow]

I’m not saying I’m straight up denying, I’m sure there’s ways to implement it, but without a solid example of a game with long growth and survival on one side with quick action and instaspawn on the other, it’s best left in the back room until we can figure it out

[urban flax]

At least I gave examples of why it can work, none of you gave examples of why it can't apart from "toxic youtube videos"

[balmy meadow]

What??

Sorry just confused

[urban flax]

The only arguments I saw against guns are
they would oneshot everyone
People would get them too easily
Which are heavily assumptive to say the best

[balmy meadow]

What do you mean by toxic yt videos as an example? What did I miss above??

Ah I see

[urban flax]

this

[last lily]

There's a video of an Elephant getting shot,...several times; it's awful and depressing but it does show that they can take a lot of hits. Just adding this as a side thing.

that poor elephant.

[balmy meadow]

The main problem is just that there there aren’t any games similar to what the isle wants to one day accomplish, so NONE of us have good examples of why it might or might not work unless we’re given an even play test between the two

[urban flax]

I don't want to see it but I get what you mean
Boars can survive headshots so...
Also the damage in the game is heavily reduced compared to real-life

[urban flax]

Yes that's why we won't go any further than that
But at least try to think of what's possible instead of saying "that was never done before therefore it's imposible"

[balmy meadow]

That’s a good ending for now, we simply won’t know until it’s done

[lament scroll]

Come talk to me when that chain of events transpires chief

[balmy meadow]

Hey man just drop the argument

[lament scroll]

I hadn't said anything in a grip, just wanted to state that I stand by what I said. Also, it's a discussion my duder, we're all good

[balmy meadow]

Ah you’re right, mb, read it in the wrong tone

[lament scroll]

Like the cannibalism argument

[balmy meadow]

Ahh I like the cannibal, but that’s because I think it’s super cool

I’m absolutely bias smh

[lament scroll]

I think cannibalism is trash, but its going to happen, I just don't think it should be incentivized

I've said this a lot, but that is going to breed toxicity. Immensely.

[balmy meadow]

Well the thing with the Cannibal is that I view it more as a mutated animal, like a human that’s gone crazed and reverted back into a monster

[lament scroll]

What? I'm talking about dinosaurs cannibalizing each other

[last lily]

I asked for Whofuckingaskedasaurus

Ayy 👍

[balmy meadow]

Oh!! I was talking about these dudes

Blurred because Clyde is angry

I think they’re just so awesome

[lament scroll]

Ah, I didn't know that even existed

[last lily]

Does Clyde actually get rid of that picture despite it having no junk?

[balmy meadow]

Yeah 💀

[last lily]

F

[balmy meadow]

But I find them really awesome and the lore and questions behind it just..

I can see where the confusion between “Cannibalism” and “Cannibal” would get mixed up

LMAO

[lament scroll]

It's all good, I'm in the know now

[balmy meadow]

God Clyde has fits over the stupidest stuff

But anyways, for those who don’t know

The Cannibal is actually, while the most well known name, the wrong name

They’re actually called The Unknown in the Wiki

[uneven mist]

Those arent really called cannibal’s btw (the shy guy looking dude)

[balmy meadow]

Yep, learned that recently!

Cannibals were the older concept

These new guys are The Unknown

[uneven mist]

Cannibals are the tribals but the shy guy looking dude has no name but the comunity calls it «eyeless»

[balmy meadow]

Ooh the Eyeless?

I’ve heard a few names now

[uneven mist]

It isn’t confirmed but thats what the comunity calls it

[balmy meadow]

The eyeless, the unknown, the cannibals, all cool names

Here I’ll get a quote from the wiki about them

[lament scroll]

Yes, maybe tear gas as well, or some other type of gas grenade that can immobilize the dinos for a bit

Smoke grenades would be good as well

[balmy meadow]

“The Unknown is an upcoming creature to The Isle. It was previously known as the "Cannibal", but a reveal from the devs has informed us that that is something else- hence this page's title. The Unknown is often still referred to as the "Cannibal", and mistakenly is still used as a image of the cannibal.”

[uneven mist]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=HEFXKJPx35Q&feature=share

[uneven mist]

You wil kinda get a better understanding by this video

[balmy meadow]

“The Unknown are tall humanoids that stand around 9 to 11 feet tall with bird-like feet. They appear to have no eyes and large nostrils.”

“Presumably, to become a Cannibal one must kill and eat one of its own kind whilst playing as a Primitive.”

[lament scroll]

That'd be neat

[balmy meadow]

I do hope they bring back Tisso as a confirmed strain

I’m not a huuuge Magna fan

[lament scroll]

A sound gun that disorients and makes the screen fuzzy and blurry, I could see something like that as well

[balmy meadow]

Since Magna has no “mascot” whilst Tisso does

[lament scroll]

A dart gun with different toxins for different non-lethal effects would be neat as well

[uneven mist]

There isn’t really a way to unblock it or the devs dont know yet, i Linked a video up about the «eyeless» and tribals so you can get a better understanding about them

[lament scroll]

goes without saying

[last lily]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q

[balmy meadow]

What’s y’all’s opinions on Magna vs Tisso strain

[last lily]

Tisso could be better. Magna so far is just ...kinda generic? Magnatyrannus and Magnaraptor

Magnatyrannus: basically just a bigger Rex that's almost the size of a Hyper Rex and can fight it..but with none of the interesting parts.

Magnaraptor: bigger raptor with... venom?? Another generic large raptor that could just easily just be another pattern for Utah to wear.

Tissos were supposed to be getting reworked I think but...we haven't heard anything about then in like 2-3 years now with no updates or Tisso models to work with.

[uneven mist]

Tisso’s are getting reworked so

[balmy meadow]

Y’all pass the vibe check

[urban flax]

Or maybe even scrapped

[uneven mist]

Yeah

[urban flax]

What I would like to see it a hyperendocrin equivalent for herbivores

Like some osteogenic strain

[balmy meadow]

I hope not since it would make it a nice rule of three but we never know 😔

[barren zephyr]

Tisso best strain

[uneven mist]

Mabye to do something more than that idk, it wil be reworked or either scrapped

[urban flax]

neuro*
Wizard dinos

[balmy meadow]

I hope they don’t add Magna in evrima since it doesn’t even have a mascot

[last lily]

Tank, Assassin, Wizard: the holy trinity of what once was.. Until Tisso disappeared with no new news since.

[last lily]

I cast fireball~Neuro Utah

[balmy meadow]

Tisso

[uneven mist]

[balmy meadow]

That is the most awful thing I have read tonight thank you

Oh! Time to die then

Hypo is the brute force strain and neuro is the brains ()

[urban flax]

And summons thunderstorms to live its warlock fantasies

[balmy meadow]

Tisso would be the stamina

[urban flax]

Also takes control over machines and other dinosaur species I think ?

[balmy meadow]

Magna would just.. be another brute

[urban flax]

Tisso strain could be made into some really eldritch things
Like shapeshifting or with tentacles

[balmy meadow]

Brain fuzz, everyone’s favorite

Come get y’all’s brain mold

Just stirring your neurons like a latte

Mmmmmm .. delicious

Have you seen some neuro dinosaur concept art?

Rex

Giga

And I love them

I really like the

Like.. non natural sounding calls

Just to push that this thing should not exist

Plus, with the hypo jaw split trend, the dinosaurs with said split jaws sound pained

Which just..

[barren zephyr]

Not all Hypers have split jaws

Only 2

[balmy meadow]

Sorry I’m just vibing with this stuff immensely it’s my fixation rn

[balmy meadow]

No no I know, I just mean that the ones that do have it

[barren zephyr]

I don't think Hyper Spino would be in pain. Giga tho

[balmy meadow]

The calls from those ones sound pained, SPECIFICALLY giga

Because ow??

[barren zephyr]

Only that Hyper Giga's mouth opens even wider than Spinos

[balmy meadow]

That just looks like it would be painful, considering muscles and nerves works have to be REALLY PINCHED every time it opens its mouth

I drew a neuro and hypo deino a while ago

[limber hull]

i agree that guns should not be the be-all go-to

[barren zephyr]

Uhm

[lapis swallow]

What?

[limber hull]

but removing them entirely is silly imho

[frank tapir]

do we know all the dinos that are planed to be in part two?

[balmy meadow]

Goopy mcgee and spikes galore

[limber hull]

cool ideas honestly, but i dont see the need for them to ENTIRELY replace guns

[balmy meadow]

No need for eyesight if you have some stronger smell/feeling sensors for surrounding waters

[barren zephyr]

I still want guns to remain.

But you have to remember that the map is 20km². Which is extremely hard to traverse through for a human. So if you have to travel really really far for weapons, I'd be fine with it. You also have to consider that Dinosaurs will have a certain "reason" to eat Humans. So if they get benefits they'd actually be more inclined for it.
Which means people may camp out or just in general keep check on the structures, and then kill any Human that comes by

[lament scroll]

If it takes 4+ hours to get a gun, like the time sink is just as laborious as it is to grow a dino, then sure. If not, guns have to go imo

[limber hull]

im actually fine with guns, just not shit like snipers. I'd much prefer the best damage output weapons to be shotguns

i am very anti-sniper

[barren zephyr]

Not only that, but without Thermal or NV goggles you'll have to use a flashlight in the nights, which essentially just makes you a homing beacon for Dinosaurs

[urban flax]

Also gunpowder smellable for dinos

[balmy meadow]

Dino smelling gunpowder for the first time:

[barren zephyr]

What I hope for more is Human on Human competition

If you think about it, Humans have it the worst off out of any faction

[urban flax]

I don't think that would need to be incentivized at all
Since killing someone would mean getting all their hard-earned loot instantly, people would do it all the time without even needing an incentive

[barren zephyr]

They have to deal with Dinos, Tribals, "Cannibals", probably themselves

Neuros especially

[last lily]

I like your gun: I like that. I'm gonna need that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFBK-jbZjgU

[limber hull]

i really just dont want snipers. Don't give mercs snipers and everything is chill imho

[urban flax]

Humans were already able to kick things to death in the mechanic test so I guess the "they must not kill assets" thing is already out of the window.

[lapis swallow]

No snipers

[barren zephyr]

Well I mean

I don't think a 9 mm is gonna do shit against the thing the size of something out of Avatar, that's running out the woods for you and just...shishcababs you

Well

sigh

[urban flax]

They aren't here for that
They use it for self-defense

[barren zephyr]

Going around to willy nilly hunt dinosaurs with a very very low amount of ammunition, and shooting with an EXTREMELY LOUD weapon

[balmy meadow]

Neuro dinosaurs casually talking to humans about their lives

[barren zephyr]

Is not smart.

[urban flax]

And if they think they can afford wasting bullets, making themselves visibles and all that just to kill one dino out of spite... well they can

[lament scroll]

So we code it to make it impossible to shoot unless attacked

[urban flax]

haha

[last lily]

Lure them into a false sense of security to then feed on their slurpee goodness

[lament scroll]

I mean, you're assuming people won't get guns, and adopt a "shoot first" mentality

[urban flax]

No
Shooting first is a valid way of self-defense

[lament scroll]

Oh, right. Got it.

[urban flax]

But it's not their mission

[balmy meadow]

MMMMMM brain juice

[barren zephyr]

Again. This is not only Dinosaurs Mercs have to deal with here

[last lily]

Lady Maria, do you hear the drip drop??

[balmy meadow]

Imagine how smart a neuro troodon would be though, already being one of the smartest dinosaurs

[barren zephyr]

Only that they've signed a Thousand Life Contract

[balmy meadow]

[barren zephyr]

They don't willy nilly enter the Island, do some stuff here and there and then escape.

They can't escape. Because there's something that's never going to allow them to

[urban flax]

Neuro troodon casually fixing every bug in The Isle

[barren zephyr]

Here's the thing

[balmy meadow]

“Hey man can you open the door i can’t reach it- thanks. Okay now lie down the brain liquidizing won’t take long”

[barren zephyr]

Sure, you can go and find yourself a gun after like an hour or two of gameplay.

Now you have to find ammo, from which there is very little around.
Not only do you have to deal with other Mercenaries that will WANT your stuff for themselves, but Dinosaurs that will have a special reason to eat you.
And yeah, you can go kill that Trex there, but now you've wasted all your Ammo, and every Troodon, Utah, Dilo or any other small carnivore that is in that vicinity knows exactly where you are and is coming running for you

[last lily]

Me see you have good gun: me try to sneak up on you with knife for loot
Monke brain gets dopamine

[barren zephyr]

You're pretty damn defenseless against a pack of small carnivores that are extremely fast and agile

The bigger issue I see with Humans is hackers and cheaters.

Yes, the 2 in like 50 god FPS players

Not EVERY person will be going around fuckin' 360 no-scoping a Troodon

[lament scroll]

Sounds like you're underestimating fps players

[limber hull]

then make the best gun a shotgun, so that it's exclusively forcing the player to play defensively

[barren zephyr]

And they already have said they want the guns to play a lot like a mix of Tarkov and DayZ

You'e not going to be killing 6 Troodon's that are small targets, run at like 45+ km/h, agile as all hell and much better vision capabilities than you

[lament scroll]

Give me a gun in game, with tarkov type controls, or even dayz controls, and I will hardly miss. I'm not a god fps gamer, I'm just pretty good at them and I'd imagine, with fps being one of the most popular game genres, so are a lot of people who play the isle as well

[last lily]

Has DayZ gotten out of early access yet??

[barren zephyr]

It's already hard as shit to see a fucking CARNO and STEGO in deep as jungles as a Human, imagine how hard it'd be to see a Troodon, let alone 6 of them

Well sorry not sorry but I will.

Most FPS games have masisve open areas, not extremely dense jungles

[lament scroll]

Most combat in this game happens in open areas though?

[urban flax]

Remember that novaraptors in primal carnage are much slower than TI's utahraptor
And they're pretty much impossible to hit when they're actively trying to dodge bullets

[barren zephyr]

Most FPS games have slow Humans walking and running around, and perhaps a few large vehicles which are big targets
Not small creatures running at 45+ km/h with insane agility

[urban flax]

0.5

[uneven mist]

I mean…the same can be said by dying to a dino

[barren zephyr]

For now.

[urban flax]

Most likely
Not more than 1 hour anyway

[balmy meadow]

Scooting the gun discussion out of the way for a moment, imagine how terrifying seeing a deinosuchus’ eyes glow from a flashlight while on a dinghy in a swamp would be when you’re only this big..

[urban flax]

And the human has to find the weapon and the ammunition

But if you're playing troodon a human could easily kick you to death anyway so that's kinda a moot point

[lament scroll]

What's the amount of time you guys think it should take to get a gun?

[barren zephyr]

Ah yes, Humans have to move only 10 minutes so that they can get a 50. cal

[barren zephyr]

Depends. Are we talking a good gun?

[balmy meadow]

Well it would depend on spawn location and gun spawn location

[last lily]

Depends on the gun for me. And also if they plan on adding a durability or quality system. Need ammo too afterall(no idea if they want to go for gun maintenance and repair on top of that)

[balmy meadow]

That too

[urban flax]

To get the simplet and weakest form of gun ? 10 to 30 minutes imo
To get a strong gun and sufficient ammunition to consistently kill large dinos ? Probably as much time as growing an apex

[lament scroll]

in your mind does the weak gun kill a utahraptor with difficulty, or with ease, or somewhere in between?

[barren zephyr]

That isn't the entirety of the map.

[balmy meadow]

There’s so few human buildings compared to the map size, even so they’re super far apart

[barren zephyr]

That's not even a full quarter of it

Okay, and the map most definitely will get an expansion before Humans are in

[balmy meadow]

I’m hoping they don’t increase it too much more.. the orig map size was HUGE, yet at the same time had some beautiful scenery that I miss due to nostalgia 😔

[barren zephyr]

Full Spiro is 20km²

Spero was 32 km²

[balmy meadow]

[last lily]

PC proceeds to explode

[balmy meadow]

It’s.. real big

[barren zephyr]

Yes

Here you go btw. Spiro at full size

Yep, a Human's definitely finding a 50. cal in 10 minutes on foot

[balmy meadow]

20km squared to miles is about 7.7 square miles across

For those who use miles like me

[lament scroll]

Again, unless the guns are COMPLETELY random. People will find the fastest, safest ways to acquire a gun.

that information will spread like wildfire

[barren zephyr]

They'll most likely be random

[lament scroll]

then income the boatloads of balance patches, until guns are pointless and shouldn't have been added anyway

I mean, if they're random, that's also not a good thing. What if you stumble upon a god tier gun in like 5 minutes, go and kill a stego or something like that

boom 10ish minutes and you've just taken away someone else's 5+ hours

[dusk meteor]

Like guns are dumb.
Here's the thing, unless you nerf guns to be stupid underpowered they're going to be op.
Even a well placed 9 mm could kill pretty much any of the dinosaurs and for those that don't have aim, if you gather enough bullets, most hand guns can just rapid fire.

But if they want to really represent guns today then lol idk dinos wouldn't have a chance, so I don't suppose they'd go for that

Gun tech today is pretty insane so snipers or not you'd be pretty darned screwed

[lament scroll]

Imagine.
Dart guns with non-lethal toxins that have differing effects
Tranqs
Stun batons
Myriad of trap type equipment
Gas grenades/tear gas etc..

You can have all of that, and more non-lethal equipment and have fun as a human, without having boomsticks that will ultimately just amount to people who are playing dinosaurs get screwed out of their time

[dusk meteor]

Even older gun models aren't safe. What if they include brownings?

[urban flax]

What if they don't put military weapons that have nothing to do on this island ?
What if they do it like every other source of damage in the game, where past a certain point nothing can be one-shot ?

Realistically deino and stego would one-shot each other
Yet they don't, because it's a game

[dusk meteor]

Even a civilian can buy a barrett rifle and brownings aren't exactly difficult to obtain. You'd be playing a merc, not a civilian

[urban flax]

I don't think there's anything to buy on the island

[dusk meteor]

I'm not talking about buying I mean even irl these guns aren't rare. They're incredibly easy to get

And brownings litter the militsry space because they're effective as hell

[urban flax]

If you can buy them yes
But if there was no necessity for the people who were previously there on the island to have military-grade weapons then there won't be any

[dusk meteor]

Mercs presumably wouldn't be there previously on the island. Presumably they would come in from elsewhere theyre not tribal that, like live there.

And on top of that you would assume they'd be prepared to face a massive threat

[urban flax]

It's been confirmed they will spawn with pretty much no gear
The rest of what they'll get, they'll have to find it on the island

[dusk meteor]

I know that, but if the people putting dinos o. The island out guns on the island, they'd put something that would serve its purpose well there

That most likely equates to high caliber guns and sudearms

[urban flax]

But if people started with high-quality gear the issue you mentioned about people griefing players around with no consequence would be 10x worse

[dusk meteor]

But yes, In terms of gameplay loop gettung decked by some human who spawned in half an hour ago isn't very engaging lol

[lament scroll]

It's almost as if adding humans to a game where players play dino's and have a growth time is nearly impossible to balance

[urban flax]

It's the same though
But instead of getting more attack power and more options as they progress, dinos become tougher (and they get some additionnal attack power too)

[dusk meteor]

That's because it us. The isls isn't the first game to try merging two completely different gameplay loops like this

[lament scroll]

also, correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the community been really against the introduction of the humans for a long time?

I swear I heard that they've tried to implement humans a few times, and each time it's been really bad

[urban flax]

Some people have been
Mostly people who haven't read the steam store page

[dusk meteor]

Uhh well that depends on who you ask

[urban flax]

They've tried twice afaik
Once was very long ago in legacy, and it was shit because it was in legacy
But when they were being tested in evrima it was super cool

[dusk meteor]

I've read it, I've known it, and I still believe it's fundamentally flawed

[lament scroll]

I saw the videos of them tested in evrima

and it looked really bad

like, comically bad

[urban flax]

I played them and it was awesome

ofc they lacked a lot of mechanics
But as for the rest it was really good

[dusk meteor]

(that said I would like to see tribals, hist notnercs)

[limber hull]

EVRIMA humans were amazing

One of my favourite experiences with the game, no doubt

[urban flax]

Best time was when I was drinking water in the forest, got pounced by a baby raptor
I was seeing its claws just ripping onto my screen
I ran into the water to shrug it off then proceeded to kick it to death
And I was like "yeah man beats nature, bitch"

[lament scroll]

They looked, and moved like they were from a game about 8 years older than everything else in the isle currently

[last lily]

Kicking a baby Steg to death, losing 2-3 humans in the process = Neuron activation

[urban flax]

Taking part in a 8-man murder of an adult deinosuchus

[limber hull]

EVRIMA humans were genuinely scary as an experience, extremely fun with mates and just awesome to see things from a first person perspective

[urban flax]

With no casualties

[last lily]

..How the fuck?(that didn't actually happen, and succeed right?)

[limber hull]

personally, i found the humans promising and extremely fun

[urban flax]

Actually humans counter deinos

Cuz they can avoid alt-bites pretty easily

[dusk meteor]

Humans, don't get me wrong, sound like fun to play as humans. They don't sound fun when playing the Dino.

[last lily]

Florida

[lament scroll]

So 8 human players killed an adult deino, by kicking it

[limber hull]

It's REALLY fun to play as a raptor against humans lmao

[lament scroll]

essentially taking away 5ish hours of time

[dusk meteor]

Spiro basically is florida and Australia had a baby

[last lily]

Straight up just fucking Florida.

[lament scroll]

by doing, nothing but spawning in

[urban flax]

I also played as both pachy and raptor against humans, and it was fun as hell too
Bonking a human into oblivion or pouncing and killing one is extremely satisfying

[limber hull]

^

[dusk meteor]

Mm the pachys and raptors aren't really the smtsrget here for fun, more like stego and deino.

[urban flax]

It was kinda deino's fault for thinking 8 people wouldn't be a threat
Also maybe a slight balance problem because of how much damage kick dealt, but not a fundamental problem from the existence of humans

[lament scroll]

It's pretty bad though

[dusk meteor]

Wait you just kicked it?

8 humans would not be kicking a gator to death.

[urban flax]

I haven't played stego but I saw quite a lot of stegos strolling around with human corpses on their spikes, so I think they don't have it that bad

[lament scroll]

bodes ill for the future more than anything

[limber hull]

i say it bodes well, but to each their own

[urban flax]

A gator ? No
But a deino ? Yes

[dusk meteor]

If you're fighting a deino as a human you shouldn't be having a free pass without someone riding it and holding its mouth closed.

[urban flax]

And if you think it's unrealistic, you can't remove that unless you remove the concept of healthbars

[last lily]

Man fended off a saltwater crocodile with a frying pan.

Thumbs are scary.

[dusk meteor]

A deino is a bigger gator tf you mean no

[barren crater]

I enjoyed it. Was quite funny pouncing humans as a small utah

[dusk meteor]

Thumbs are op. But they didn't even use their thumbs they just kicked the deino which would do nothing but piss it off

[uneven mist]

It was fun

[barren crater]

Oh yeah, same lol

[urban flax]

proof of concept for me
And a decent one

[lament scroll]

Again, I saw the videos, and it looked bad. I felt bad for the devs because of how bad it looked

[dusk meteor]

It'd not exactly inspiring confidence
The raptor sounds cool but throwing off a baby raptor and kicking it to death makes sense

The rest doesn't so far

[urban flax]

You can't get the full experience from watching videos alone

[lament scroll]

A lot of the people who were making the videos didn't seem like they liked it all that much either

[urban flax]

I had a few gripes with their first implementation tho
Like yeah, the animations looked quite bad
They had no sounds

[lament scroll]

not exactly "glowing" praise

[urban flax]

Kick was honestly op

Can't expect people to be impartial on the topic of humans either
Some people just hate their very existence

Ah also flashlights were stupidly performance-heavy

Like you lost 2 to 5 fps per active lfashlight
So as soon as 4+ people had active flashlights it was a fucking mess

[dusk meteor]

Which is wrong and dumb
Legs are strong but you're up against beefy animals who have pretty good natural defenses

Humans should focus more on their actual human attributes not a kick. They would be effective at trapping animals using their thumbs and grappling etc.

Raw combat should not be a strong point.

[barren crater]

I personally love the concept of humans. I just thought what we got was funny. Obviously early into human development. It will get A LOT better

[urban flax]

I agree, kick was op
But a human should absolutely be able to kick a small dino to death