#general-feedback-discussion

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echo tiger
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I mean update 1's map.

bold palm
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they said they were goign to do a new map.

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so i hope they still do

outer sphinx
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the map was made in a rush and now they are trying to make it work, but hey dont forget that Jace is either working on a new map or on a heavy rework

echo tiger
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Lets hope it isnt shit then but it will be.

bold palm
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well if they give it to Jason

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let him be the man on it, should be better than before, no map is perfect, but all about how much time you put into it I guess.

outer sphinx
bold palm
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maps are time consuming to make though

outer sphinx
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Filippe said kinda that a desert map is confirmed

bold palm
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i enjoy it, but don't have enough time usually to fuck with it.

echo tiger
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I mean lets hope, but theres no consistency here - alot of things the devs had said previously and it turns out to be nothing more than a fizzle. But lets hope

bold palm
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ya i wouldn't say much about the future of any pre release game, community will change it.

outer sphinx
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i mean them saying they want to make x map is dif than faster than allo bc map is less about balancing but more about what they want to make

bold palm
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like what is that random pond they added?

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and the rivers are more like streams

echo tiger
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They just need to not fucking balance maps around animals (deino) that can barely fucking function as a part of the eco system; which is what happened with this map

bold palm
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maybe Dondi wants Jason to finish the map he started.

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the one we're currently playing on.

outer sphinx
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this map was made in such a rush i'd expect them to make a new one rather than try to fix it

echo tiger
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Cause lets face it, deino is a horrible addition to the game in its current state, it cant hunt anything so it has to resort to body stealing or getting bodied by stegos

bold palm
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it's cus deino has little access

echo tiger
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It has a whole ass river

bold palm
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not enough water space to get into any position really

echo tiger
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multiple whole ass rivers

bold palm
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if nothing goes to the water y ou're f'd

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or eating fish

echo tiger
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Yeah exactly but what do you expect people to do

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Its the intrinsic issue with deino, nobody is going to go and drink at the rivers they're at

bold palm
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well they should go to the water sources where deino is, but now that this random swamp/lake thing is there, everyone hangs there and well

echo tiger
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Cause thats just common sense, even if you rebalance the map people will find new spots that are safe

bold palm
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like a river going to that pond would make sense

outer sphinx
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the addition of shallow rivers was such a poor decision, this is what makes the biggest problem for deino, the lack of conection between east and west rivers and the lack or carni in shallow waters where deino cant live

bold palm
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instead of having to transverse land to get to it.

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and even when you do it's so shallow

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you can't get a kill position on anything in that pond.

echo tiger
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Shallow rivers are required though, it offers a safety net for young deinos and also stops deinos from being broken braindead with the lunge mechanic

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Anything that requires minimal effort to end a playthrough is just dumb

outer sphinx
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shallow rivers are good yes, when there are carnis that live there aswell

echo tiger
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Yeah

outer sphinx
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rn we have none of that, no bary, austro, sucho or spino, we just have the only dino that has to live in deep water

echo tiger
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ye

bold palm
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think about the nile where the wilderbeast cross every year, year after year, they use the same spot, it's not shallow, they swim and get eaten by crocs.

echo tiger
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You cant apply real life to a game, people wont behave like wilderbeast.

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Unless they're astronomically stupid.

outer sphinx
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also the lack of deep water flow connecting east and west rivers

outer sphinx
echo tiger
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It would be cool if there was one central river that divided the map in two kinda like the rivers near great falls in legacy

outer sphinx
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the only river hunter we have today are crocs and gators, here we have likes of sucho, spino, bary etc that make shallow waters dangerous too

echo tiger
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and there were other perilous avenues to cross like logs over the water and little islands

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But deino as a playable is just inherently unviable due to the way players are, people aren't gonna drink from rivers they know theres deinos in and they will find other more survivable spots to drink from

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You cant just get rid of every other pond and lake afterall, thats dumb.

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Thats why as Khaens said, there needs to be other water playables first before deino

bold palm
echo tiger
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Its not hard

bold palm
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honestly if they made the rivers wider, deeper we'd prob see more opportunities for deinos

echo tiger
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Its impossible

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Cause players will always find safer ways to drink

bold palm
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any animal can cross the rivers on the current map without much effort.

echo tiger
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Uh

bold palm
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and yes they will find safer ways

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isn't that the point

echo tiger
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Carno bro, that thing is so slow

bold palm
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well ya carno is slow but you don't cross on wide deep spots do you?

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so here we'd have carno trying to find the shallow crossings, where deino could hang out.

echo tiger
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Well no, but theres some people that might

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But deino cant hang out there

bold palm
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and for others wider rivers would offer deino more time to take action.

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might help a little

echo tiger
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But people wont cross those wider rivers right, thats what i've been saying

bold palm
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or program AI to visit water

echo tiger
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unless its pure desperation

outer sphinx
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basically, shallow waters server as a safer spot to drink bc there deinos cant hide but also there you will meet the shallow water hunters and there are far more of them than the one deep water boi
deep water spots are dangerous aswell since you dont know whats hiding in it, could be an austro, could be a sucho or deino, but they should also be far larger than shallow ones so you have more exact spots you can drink from, they are longer and wider compared to shallow ones

bold palm
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no everyone hangs out at the pond right now lol

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so as deino it's boring atm

outer sphinx
bold palm
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even if you're at the pond it's boring

bold palm
echo tiger
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It was boring anyway though right...? you couldn't exactly fight anything or lunge at anything cause there was nothing to lunge at

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there still is nothing to lunge at

bold palm
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yes deino is boring as heck rn

echo tiger
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Everyones at safer spots

bold palm
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i've been playing PT

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cuz that's fun to peck people

echo tiger
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Thats my point, like people are always gonna frequent meta safe spots over deep water, i'd rather have sucho than deino in at this point since sucho can pressure the herbivore mega herds alot more successfully than deino ever oculd

bold palm
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good point

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hopefully they add it man... I want more dinos too

echo tiger
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So you've just invalidated the entire existence of deino since NOBODY is going to go to rivers, regardless of their width or length cause thats just a dumb thing to do

bold palm
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but all i've heard about is smaller dinos being added

bold palm
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but does not discount it's existence at all, it's a great addition to the game once it all gets worked out.

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i think one of the major issues they're trying to combat is users afk growing

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forcing us to move around eager to find food sources.

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but due to balance, we cant' find much and it's more frustrating and annoying than anything atm

echo tiger
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Deino will always be fucked, i dont know how people cant see it; its an all or nothing dino that doesnt interact with the terrestrial ecosystem past, present or future due to the very nature of it, and if you think water dinos will fix that; it wont, they are going to be faster than a deino, they are going to have access to land, be alot faster on land and they are going to be able to get away in order to keep it balanced, i couldn't imagine a sucho, spino or bary juvi / sub being slower than a full adult deino.

bold palm
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freaking AI is gone within the first 10 minutes of a restart.

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well maybe once they get more aquatics the deino will have more to hunt and fear and all that, making it more fun, who knows. Or maybe it will just be a glorified food source for the other dinos.

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they originally said the deino would not stop growing, which if that was still true would be so freaking cool, but then again, you might end up with one too big to fit in the rivers. lol.

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they canned that idea..

echo tiger
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You;d end up with a beast of bermuda situation where people would just AFK grow to kaiju levels

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i can understand why they canned it, it was fucking stupid

bold palm
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then they put the deino in an animation with a Rex like it can take a rex, but with it's current state, nope that won't happen.

echo tiger
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Hope is a gross misrepresentation of the game and is meant to showcase the future of it

bold palm
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deino is only good to hunt 4 ton and lower

echo tiger
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which is already disingenuous

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Cause the game has already shifted in focus so much from that future vision, theres no dynamic combat hardly anymore unlike in updates 1 and 2

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Its just a matter of landing a stun and they die

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hardly my idea of dynamic

bold palm
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the previous updates where more like legacy

echo tiger
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So is that something to be positive over?

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Going back to earlier

bold palm
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no seeing as legacy is shit

echo tiger
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Good, glad we're on the same page.

bold palm
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anyway, I know they are trying to keep players from AFK growing and killing same species, this brought in diets, which should address both, but again balancing is needed to make it work, will require tons of balancing as each new dino is added too probably.

echo tiger
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Diets doesnt address AFK growing, it only puts carnivores at a disadvantage.

bold palm
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it does in that I need to move around the map to find food sources

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i can still afk grow though

echo tiger
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Hardly....? Herbivore food is all at oasis and its all right next to eachother pretty much

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Carnivores need to find one body and eat it then afk grow

bold palm
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that's balancing issue bro

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i mean that's all it really is

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so they can move the food sources to induce travel

echo tiger
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Its not...? Its an issue endemic to the diets and the players, you cant police player behaviour and as i said before; people will always find ways to make shit easier for them cause thats human nature

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If i could choose between risking moving around and getting caught, or AFK growing until my dino is strong, its an obvious choice.

bold palm
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well instead of having 3 food sources next to each other, they put 1 source on the east, one on the west one in the north etc.

echo tiger
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Yeah, but people will just AFK grow anyway cause you can grow steadily with 2

bold palm
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so i guess more a map balacing issue

echo tiger
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It doesnt matter where you place the food, the drain on diets is generous enough to allow for AFK growing

bold palm
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ya i've told them they should add a smell for afk people, like a yellow haze if you sit in one spot for too long, but it was not used, yet.

echo tiger
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I mean that fixes it somewhat but good luck finding an AFK stego or pachy

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And even if you find them, good luck killing them

bold palm
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ya man so with that, they can make Stegs need water more often

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so to limit the max travel distance

echo tiger
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That doesnt fix anything

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Water is so plentiful

bold palm
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make it so they can't run off into no mans land and afk

echo tiger
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And its not like its a finite resource

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Its infinite, it doesnt drain, it doesnt go away

bold palm
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they'd have to stay fairly close to water sources

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wait what

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steggo water is infinite?

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so that's a bug?

echo tiger
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Dude no, you can drink from water all the time; it doesnt go away

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Its a guaranteed resource

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Thats what i've been saying

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Its like herbivore plants, they dont go away either and the difficulty is knowing where to look.

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But even then its not hard to find since you have locational indicators that practically tell you where they are

bold palm
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maybe they could program a migration script for plants, wind blows, seeds come off, they travel i dunno 100 yards and sprout.

echo tiger
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That would be good for small things yeah, but what about the bigger things

bold palm
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some what to randomly place things

coarse stump
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The problem mostly with stego is the fact that its stats are just so hyperinflated compared to the rest of the terrestrial roster at the moment, that they just simply cannot challenge it, it isnt worth the effort it takes to try and take them down

bold palm
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oh ya steggo is ganked too

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but again balancing and hit box adjustments etc..

echo tiger
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Even then, diets doesnt solve the issues endemic to the game and is a shit system that constantly puts carnivores at a disadvantage when compared to herbivores

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You can still AFK grow, you can STILL megaherd etc.

bold palm
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ya predators need the ability to disable the prety somehow, even a bite can do this if properly place, like steggo gets hit in the face by a full carno it should go down.

echo tiger
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Whereas with carnivores you cant, you cant sustain mega packs to combat mega herds, you cant fight as often since you often dont have 3 diets, you cant recover as fast cause you dont have 3 diets

bold palm
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it's like putting a guy that weighs 250 pouds against a guy that weighs 150, the guy who weighs 150 is Ip Man...

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just cuz it's big doesn't mean it should be immune to instant kills and such

echo tiger
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Its blatantly advantageous to herbivores hence why theres so many of them rn

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Nothing should instant kill

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Thats cracked

bold palm
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haha, carno charge on goat is epic though

echo tiger
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Unless its something thats like 14x or so your weight class

bold palm
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ya rex could just stop everything lol

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people be like, why did i die? you got stepped on

echo tiger
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Eitherway

bold palm
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it's realistic though, rex steps on hypsi squish

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anyway, there def is shit to do

echo tiger
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I think my points are legitimate concerns, the game is fucked and until they do something to make the diets more barable and less herbivore centric, (actually promote competition between herbivores instead of a fucking huge megaherd care bear fest for the food they eat) then the game is just not fun for me.

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And i think not fun for the majority since player stats are a good reflection of how the games been doing recently

bold palm
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yeah, did you see the list of diets I did up there

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think that would help with what you're talkin bout

echo tiger
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That doesnt fix anything, we've already talked about AI

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AI is the least engaging and fun thing they can do to fix the shit in the game rn, they need to make it more player driven

bold palm
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it's AI but also players are diet items

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hence pitting each one against the other

echo tiger
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It still isnt fun

bold palm
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in some form or another

echo tiger
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Hunting an AI is just a matter of playing snake or fucking pacman

bold palm
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dang dude, you are super butt hurt over something I can tell lol

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i feel your pain though man

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been there before

echo tiger
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Butt hurt over what? the way the game is going?

bold palm
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i dunno, just frustrated cuz you want to play the game, but can't really cuz you feel it's too ganked.

echo tiger
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Are you a psychologist now or something?

bold palm
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no not at all

echo tiger
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Welp.

bold palm
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just most act as you do when they say play carno and get murdered by some bs.

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haha

echo tiger
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I mean

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I murdered herbivores by the swathes yesterday on EU1, still not died

bold palm
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shit man i was cussing up a storm last night due to bs

echo tiger
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idk man

bold palm
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idk either

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no worries

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i just want the game to be better

echo tiger
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Im fine, its just the diets mechanic is horseshit and you wont change it no matter what suggestions you put in until gores are introduced

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its been put in too early

bold palm
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ya i'm not about to assume how they do things either

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they have their reasons and i've seen this game go from shit to awesome in one patch before, so you just never know what they are focused on, they do read our suggestions though. I know this for a fact.

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those icons in the compass for example.

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user suggested

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and i know they've been playing with smell and all that

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still work in progress

echo tiger
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I mean its whatever, they can read it sure and make incremental improvements, still doesnt change the fact that the mechanic is shit.

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Until gores anyway

bold palm
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well put together a nicely worded, direct message to Punch, layout how you think the mechanic can work, why it may be better than what they have, maybe they'll get it in there for you.

echo tiger
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I mean he reads this channel doesn't he?

bold palm
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eh not anymore than you probably

echo tiger
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Fair enough

bold palm
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shit gets lost right

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so when i do a recommendation, i do it in the feedback channel right, then I paste it over to punch

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i come here to discuss my suggestions sometimes.

echo tiger
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Thats fair

bold palm
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you know pick other players brains, but ultimately feedback channel is best

outer sphinx
echo tiger
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I mean you are a content creator right

bold palm
echo tiger
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Idk, i didnt think it was that easy

bold palm
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but ya if you have a good idea you want to put in front of someone, send it to punch.

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it's not

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but i've had more luck that way with getting suggestions added to the game.

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course I may be 1 in 100 that suggested it already, who knows.

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like the diet suggestions, that's a lot of stuff to get lost in the feed, so just shoot it over to him, he can reference our dm when he wants, mostly he won't respond, but sometimes he does.

echo tiger
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I'll keep it in mind, but imma go do some othershit for now

bold palm
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aight

echo tiger
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it was a interesting discussion tho

bold palm
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good talk man

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for sure, hit me up later if you wanna go PT some players to death.

outer sphinx
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maybe that way my wall of text i posted some time ago wont be ignored TI_LUL , tho i have to rewrite it a bit since some things have changed

echo tiger
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what did you post?

bold palm
outer sphinx
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let me see if i can find it

outer sphinx
bold palm
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gonna go EU1, good talking to you all. good luck with your suggestions!

lavish quail
bold palm
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The @ everyone thing, all they need to do is add a way to pick roles and then add an @ announcement role or @ news roll and then users can pick which they want, then use those to ping instead of @ everyone.

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Noticing FPS loss bad last couple days in areas of map that did not used to have that issue. Not sure if it's the map, the update they did or just some form of random connection lag thing, but makes it hard to attack things and gets worse when you run into players.

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Also I spent an hour at the beach waiting for AI turtles or crab to spawn in... They never did. I've tested this on my own server too and they seem to spawn in regularly, so this is probably an issue with the game, but I'm not sure how AI is supposed to work or how it actually works so can't recommend anything. All i know is it's not working properly and is not spawning in AI in locations where it should be or at least it's not doing it frequently enough to be beneficial.

lavish quail
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Harrasing utah here

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deino in the diet at all

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And 3 AI plus hypsi for one of them

bold palm
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well cuz utah hunt deino, players like to attack em so

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makes sense right

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just imaging the list once they have all the dinos in the game... uhg.

lavish quail
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No they can not

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They do 50 damage and deinos have bleed resistance

bold palm
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I hunt deino with utah all the time, juvis and smaller ones

lavish quail
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Those are some stupid ass deinos

bold palm
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maybe

lavish quail
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if they are within a cm of water they live

bold palm
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haha right

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like i wouldn't jump on a sub adult or adult

lavish quail
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This one is also harassment of utah

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Ptera
Dryo
Goat
Deer
Sea Turtle

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No one plays dryo

bold palm
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are you sure harassment is the right word

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right, dryo could be an AI

lavish quail
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Is bullying better?

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4 AI then..

bold palm
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how is it bullying i don't understannd

lavish quail
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Where do you find AI?

bold palm
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still, can you explain why you think it's bullying of the utah to have the diet for the utah as that?

lavish quail
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Also stego; the one thing that its good at hunting isnt even on its diet

bold palm
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well can be adjusted

lavish quail
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Oh god it gets worse

bold palm
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copy the list and edit it, that's what this is for.

lavish quail
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Prey Pref 1
Rabbit
Hypsi
Ptera

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Poor carno players

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not even 5% food from one of its diet items

bold palm
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ya i'm sure I'll have another go at the list. but ya feel free to add your suggestions

lavish quail
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Deino should just eat anything tbh

bold palm
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trying to get the perfect list so your help would be cool

lavish quail
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Ugh spread out playables

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Also basically remove deino from the current rosters diet

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Nothing has an ability to do anything to them; other than stego

echo tiger
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Carno can kill subs, but thats about it

lavish quail
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Like full carno

echo tiger
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yeye

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but 1 bite pretty much puts you out of commission

lavish quail
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and a dumb sub who is caught trying to go from river to pond

echo tiger
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ye

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Deino basically shouldn't be in the diets of others tho; i agree, since it cannot be killed by them in the slightest

lavish quail
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The roster is too small for diets, also diets should of came with gore

bold palm
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pt can kill juvi

lavish quail
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No it cant

bold palm
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bs

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done it many times

lavish quail
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I saw a clip of 4 pteras ganging on a freshspawn and it still got away

outer sphinx
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maybe, but utah def shouldnt have to do it, deino not only has the largest health pool (so also biggest blood pool), it also is the only animal with bleed resistance

bold palm
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i can't account for other players, but i can kill juvis with full pt

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juvi anything really.

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also would it not create an interaction between the species and a reason for them to interact

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cuz we agreed deino is boring right.

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if it's not on anyones diet then nothing would bother with them and it'd be how it is now, boring... Am I wrong?

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anyway, feel free to copy the list I started, I'm sure there are some things that aren't right, so if you want to help with it maybe the devs will consider updating the diets for everything.

lavish quail
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or contest it

bold palm
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omg there is something wrong with utah

lavish quail
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Is it its model?

bold palm
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it's zooming in

lavish quail
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Cause thats a given

bold palm
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trying to run it zooms in so all i see are it's hands

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uh... ya i was not utah on na1, something is f'd

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i think i may be on the wrong side of the map...

lavish quail
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Did you spawn as a juvie utah outside the map?

bold palm
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yes

lavish quail
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Alt f4

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Its a bug that i cannot explain

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But you wont save

bold palm
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did, ok, np

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another thing with AI, they need to be in herds or small groups or something.

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ya know a male and female and their babies or with deer they usually run in herds, where it makes sense right.

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dang still utah and still on wrong side of map

lavish quail
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Weird

bold palm
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i'll just let it starve

lavish quail
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Tried to report that one but i have no clue how it occurs

bold palm
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i wouldn't either

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poor utah going to die starving... ahh

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it's be ok if icould run around lol, but i'm stuck in this river with no water and invisible boundaries won't let me out.

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do you know if they made it so when you run/walk/rest food is utilized faster or slower?

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or is it just static reduction

bold palm
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does anyone know for sure how Ai Spawns in?

Does it spawn around a player or in specific locations or both?

Does hunger have anything to do with AI spawning in at any point?

How often does AI spawn in general?

paper oriole
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They just spawn around the map, seemingly regional, when a server restarts

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I usually find boars in repeating spots after a restart so it clearly has set spawn points, crabs and turtles definitely do. It has 0 to do with player hunger and it shouldn’t go back to that

mental sleet
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AI, iirc, has set places where it can spawn, but it doesn't care much about the players's locations.

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So as Miragaia said, if you come to a specific area where you found, say, Mr.Turtle, you should find more of them.

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Unless someone got there first.

paper oriole
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I found a deer at the deadest end of the map that seemed like one of the last remaining ai on the server after a fly-around, so player locations don’t affect the spawns

bold palm
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be cool if they did AI in the herds and families, remove an entire family and that AI location stops spawning anything, initial spawn is mom/dad and a couple babies, from there the babies roam away from nest into the world slightly, mate and make more babies etc.

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not mentioning the obvious mechanics needed to ensure there aren't over population of AI.

paper oriole
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The devs cant seem to even give the ai stamina pools i'd be surprised if they gave them complex shit like nesting and breeding lol

bold palm
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lol ya i was thinking it might be too complex

paper oriole
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Boars still track and chase across the entire island

bold palm
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lkol

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to me that is funny. haha

paper oriole
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I had a boar tracking my pachy for like 20 minutes while i was desperately trying to grow enough to finally kill it and had to bash its brains in

bold palm
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ya if you can't get in front enough they won't stop

paper oriole
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It was pretty funny because every time i stopped and rested for a few min he came busting out of the treeline

bold palm
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ruthless bastards

paper oriole
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Terminator pig

bold palm
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lol you're like oh shit

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i want to be able to play a boar

paper oriole
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It was certainly a more interesting part of my growth than the boring ass diet at least

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Was entertaining

bold palm
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yes good times

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i liked the glitchy utah, they'd be like a robot then all of a sudden just jump your ass.

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def need some work haha

paper oriole
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I remember killing a boar as utah in qa and 2 utah ai in the area came to eat it and i had to kill both of their food stealing asses

bold palm
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I do think AI has something in there regarding location of players though. There is active AI and Inactive AI in store, so you enter location, it should remove from the store and spawn in AI. I think that is broken or glitched.

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Food stealing AI haha

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they had compies in too.

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at one point, they were kinda fun. other than they ate your kill.

paper oriole
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Compies are still there afaik, pretty recently i found some on a utah body as merc and kicked like 4 of them to death

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At least in qa

bold palm
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maybe there is a max AI, that max is hit with 100 players on server, so maybe they need to raise the max AI ?

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i dunno, all i know is there are no turtles on NA1 for a while now.

paper oriole
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Personally I wish most ai would be rarer when a server is full and more populous when it is less active. Excluding ai that has no player dino replacement in peoples' diets. Or if they bring the awful dino ai back, it should despawn when its replaced by players (like a dryo ai in a remote area despawns when a dryo player logs in)

bold palm
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ya that could work

hybrid wyvern
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how is the map not loading problem still not fixed

paper oriole
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The isle

lavish quail
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Adapt

hazy sparrow
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where is the crabs

lavish quail
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get gud

lavish quail
hazy sparrow
crude girder
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Pretty sure the whole idea of the quick stand is to avoid using it if possible, since it's more of an "oh shit oh shit oh shit" button

paper oriole
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the stamina cost is in itself a punishment for not paying close attention to your surroundings and allowing yourself to be taken by surprise

outer sphinx
crude girder
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It's supposed to be? Like you aren't supposed to really ever use it

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it's just a "no other options" tool for when you weren't paying attention

outer sphinx
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i mean i see it as a last resort tool with more punishment than reward

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especially if your stam drains fast when running

crude girder
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Well yeah, hence why in general you really shouldn't be using it

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if you find yourself in a situation where that extra second is worth the 20% stamina cost, you have already fucked up

fallen cargo
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It's definitely helped when I'm chilling in a bush and I hear a deino creeping up on me from the bushes as well

outer sphinx
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well fair, the only dino that even with that penalty of stam cant catch up to you TI_Troll

silver rose
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Are you all still getting your legs fractured from getting hit on the tail by a pachy?

barren zephyr
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imo pressing 2 times W would be better

warm flame
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what is so confusing about something sharp drawing blood and a better spawning system?

fallen cargo
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The spawning system being improved is alright, the fact with pachy bleed isn't a matter of how realistic it'd be, it's a matter of balence, pachys do really good damage, fracture and stun, and you want to add bleed onto the pile?

warm flame
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I meant juvi pachy

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not adult

calm granite
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no

fallen cargo
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It's just a bit much, it doesn't really need bleed as it wouldn't deter adults from killing it anyway, juvi carnivours already have to worry about the stun and fracture

calm granite
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pachy is fine

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doesnt need blood lol

warm flame
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I didn't say it'd be enough bleed to make a juvi carno bleed to death, just enough bleed to give baby pachies a little more of a chance

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and as for the spawning system, nearly every time I spawn in I spawn next to something that can kill me, once I spawned next to a river at center while a deino was swimming in it

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giving a baby pachy bleed damage wouldn't destroy the balance, I don't see any problem with it at all

fallen cargo
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I'm just saying, pachys don't need the bleed damage, they should be focused on keeping hidden and avoiding conflict, can that be difficult with how slow it is? For sure, but the difficulty is part of the fun imo

As for the spawning system, it could be better

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Not to mention, giving a utility to a dino just to take it away would confuse new players

warm flame
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the slowness is one of the reasons I think little pachies should do bleed damage, a fresh spawn pachy is quite possibly the slowest thing in the game, do nearly no damage, and have to rely on landing their headbutt on things that run over twice their speed

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and that's all assuming that they get the fracture

fallen cargo
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And bleed would help? Baby pachys aren't really supposed to be fighting or brawling, they can stun and fracture if they can land a few good hits but the state pachy is in currently is great, the issue is where people are forced to grow because of food spawns, I garuntee if herbi food spawns were better distributed then growing slow, low damage dealing (while in juvi phase) Herbis like pachy would get easier and less annoying

warm flame
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bleed would at least help them a little, and not like a juvi pachy can do anything else against a predator, running isn't an option, and really they can't even fight either, all they can do is hide and hope that they weren't already seen while slowly making their way to their hiding spot, bleed would make a small predator think twice about running after a baby pachy after it's been hit, there's no harm in giving baby pachies bleed damage other than it can confuse a player

barren zephyr
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Unless Pachy has massively high bleed as a baby nothing would change

fallen cargo
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But again, a small amount of bleed won't really detur players, they'll see the bleed, know it's not enough to kill them, and continue, you run the risk of turning Pachy into a bleeder in juvi stat and a brawler when it reaches adult, Pachy as it is, is fine, from my own experience growing it multiple times

barren zephyr
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Bleed doesn't do DOT.

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The only thing bleed is, is a slight cripple that is barely noticable by people

fallen cargo
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After all, it's a survival horror game, being scared and trying to run is the main attraction of the game isn't it?

barren zephyr
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I do believe baby Pachy needs a slight speed buff

warm flame
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from my experience juvi pachy is just a walking snack waiting for something to come over and end its pitiful life, 3 juvi utahs, hit one and it didn't even feel like I did anything cause he pounced me and pinned me moments later, a juvi carno? hit him once, nothing happened but I got stuck on him and couldn't attack

barren zephyr
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The thing is slower than an adult deino

warm flame
barren zephyr
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Tbh baby Pachy can actually fuck baby Utahs up

fallen cargo
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Yeah, I tried to kill a group of juvi pachys and nearly died because of it

warm flame
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a group of juvi pachys, what's a lone juvi pachy in the plains trying to find some agave or melons going to do when 3 juvi utahs that are big enough to pin it show up or a juvi carno starts chasing it

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the least they could do is give it some more speed and a better turn radius

barren zephyr
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I kill adult Utahs as a 65% Pachy lol

fallen cargo
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Yeah, I think Pachy needs a speed buff To it's juvinial state so it can atleast run from predators

barren zephyr
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If there's 3 of 'em, that can pin you, and you get spotted, then you're fucked, simply how it is

warm flame
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even one that can pin you you're fucked against

barren zephyr
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Well yeah

fallen cargo
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It's the same for every dino for Utah, it's just a really good bleeder

warm flame
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all it took was one to pounce me, I couldn't move, and I got ripped to shreds

barren zephyr
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I guess you'll have 65% Pachy's killing full grown Uta- Oh wait

warm flame
barren zephyr
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I mean, 3 utahs able to pin you down, that in of itself should be a death sentance

warm flame
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yeah but all it took was the one pinning me, the others didn't do anything but accidentally bite eachother

barren zephyr
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So?

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I guess Utah pin should be useless then

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When it already does less damage than a normal latch

warm flame
echo tiger
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Giving pachy bleed will literally allow them to run down carnivores and kill them.

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Juvi pachies could just effectively act as scouts

warm flame
echo tiger
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Ah yes, the ones that hang with the massive mega packs of pachies that already beat the shit out of everything they see?

barren zephyr
warm flame
echo tiger
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It doesnt matter, bleed still leaves a scent marker, do you not see the problem with this?

warm flame
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pachy's aren't gonna be able to run down a utah that got bleed from a single juvi pachy swipe, it'd heal it fast

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the bleed would only be useful against juveniles so it can defend itself

barren zephyr
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Like I said tho, bleed isn't gonna help a Juvi pachy

warm flame
warm flame
echo tiger
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Because it doesn't need it

low canopy
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stat bloat is bad, makes things even more difficult to balance

barren zephyr
barren zephyr
warm flame
warm flame
echo tiger
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Bruh for how strong and unfair the match up is vs pachy adult v utah adult

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it legit should be as vulnerable as it is as a juvi

warm flame
barren zephyr
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You don't even need to type a paragraph

echo tiger
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If anything just give it a speed buff

barren zephyr
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Let Utah have atleast one devastating ability that doesn't have a million counters

echo tiger
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But for fucks sake god, no more buffs to it's combat potential; if anything it needs some nerfs

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Pachy as a whole

barren zephyr
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All baby Pachy needs is a speed nerf lol

warm flame
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struggling being added to drain the stamina of both the pinned dinosaur and the utahraptor pinning it, it'd work similar to bucking except it also takes stamina to do, meaning that the pinned prey has to be conservative of its stamina while pinned so that it doesn't waste it all just to struggle and fail

barren zephyr
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The issue with that is

echo tiger
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If you get pinned by a utah then you deserve to die since it's big enough to pin you

barren zephyr
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Utah's pounce has a thousand of counters.

echo tiger
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Pachy Tap Rams from a juvi staggers a full adult carno, you can prolly stagger a utah

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assuming that you're in dense cover you can get away

warm flame
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the tap ram needs to be changed, holding right click should be more of a charge up than it doing the same damage no matter when you let go

barren zephyr
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Dodge it = Basically a free kill if you're big enough
If it latches = Now you can buck and completely destroy their stamina
If it dismounts when latched = Most times the fucker is still in range of your attack, so the dismount is just a risk in of itself that leaves a Utah open to possible death

Utah pin already does less dmg than the normal latch. And it doesn't even dismount off a pinned opponent a few feet away, it just jumps off right ONTOP of the animal. Great, now I get alt attacked, stunned and THEN I get knocked down by a headbutt and killed.

If you get hit by a pin, that's on you, not the Utah. It already has a thousand ways to punish the Utah severely, it doesn't need even more of that bs

barren zephyr
echo tiger
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Nah it legit staggers, its got the animation and everything

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I tested it today

barren zephyr
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Pachy gets staggered by things lots heavier than it if it tap headbutts things if anything

warm flame
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honestly I think the utah pin should do more damage if it does less than the latch since it's basically eating the prey alive at that point

barren zephyr
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It just stops attacks, which is bs

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Fuckin' baby Pachy stopping a full grown stego swing

echo tiger
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But even then:
What needs to be changed for pachy to be balanced:

  1. the Tap Ram (its so rewarding for how braindead it is)

  2. The ALT bite, the fact that 1 tap ram + alt spam can 1 combo kill a utah and severely injure a carno if you hit it in the legs.

  3. Remove its ability to stunlock creatures, its fucking infuriating to die to a highly coordinated group of pachies that have memorized the stun duration and they can just tap you

  4. If the charge isnt hit at a full velocity against a big creature, the pachy should be knocked over or stunned

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i can budge on 4, i just really fucking hate pachy as a whole in its current state atm so i might be a little bias.

warm flame
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I think adult pachy's fine, the juvi needs some work

echo tiger
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Adult pachy is not fine

barren zephyr
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Pachy already gets stunned for tap headbutting something bigger than it

echo tiger
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It is a broken overpowered mess, i've been able to 1V5 utah packs as a pachy

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It doesn't feel like it

barren zephyr
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Also, only thing I'd change about Pachy rn is fix that bug and lenghthen the recovery of the missed ram

echo tiger
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I mean its already quite fast recovering

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Its 100% faster than a missed utah pounce

barren zephyr
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It actually isn't by the base speed

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It's the same but the issue is

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Utah is in the air for abit first in which it can still get knocked down, while pachy isn't

echo tiger
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Yeah

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They can just ALT stun you and then spam your head until you die

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or wait for the recovery then charge then alt spam

barren zephyr
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Also something

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If the cooldown for the charge just died out, it shouldn't be able to instantly tap headbutt

echo tiger
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I mean it shouldn't be able to tap headbutt anyway imo but you can't take that away from the players, if anything it shouldn't stun or fracture but it should do alot of damage

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which doesn't make sense but its necessary for how fucking broken the tap is atm

worn pumice
echo tiger
bold palm
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ya i don't want to hang out at that random new pond ok, fix the AI.

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just spent 2 hours running around as Carno to find not one AI, I found another dead Carno otherwise I would have starved a lot sooner, luckily for me the dead carno gave me enough food to last a long time and thus waste even more of my time... seriously... frustrating... annoyed...

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also i don't think players use any other part of the map once they figure out everyone and everything is around that new pond.

echo tiger
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Yeup

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sounds about right

swift dew
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@quartz ruin the axe bite for allow was debunked a while back. Allo would bite things just like anything else. It just had really wide gape because it needed to get around the large prey it was hunting

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Why TF did it ping them? I'm so sorry

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@sand lantern

sand lantern
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@swift dew thanks for telling me

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Ill delete my dumb idea now

hoary dawn
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silverfox wont see this cuz they blocked me, but if they could i would tell them to try killing players instead of relying on ai

hazy sparrow
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Certain herbivores should be powerful, but the overly aggressive ones do make them seem worse.

Attacking for the sport of it. Which, it is a game afterall.

stray holly
# worn pumice Unironically the utahs have a skill issue

99% of this player base has a skill issue. The amount of stupidity I’ve seen out of any herbivore/carnivore that isn’t a Deino or Stego (two Dinos that takes no amount of competence to play in the first place) is comedic.

paper oriole
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That ptera “passive” sounds like cancer lmao

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The others are way too RPGish too

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Utahs shouldn’t be punished for being solo, all animals should be viable solo. Utah should be balanced to scale its prey size with its pack size, but being in a pack is already a sort of buff in itself and it doesn’t need artificial stat buffs for it

uneven helm
outer sphinx
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i find it funny when people say but its a pack animal, ye thats not how balancing works, you balance smth towards a 1v1, having a pack only extends the ranges that a figh can happen between classes

paper oriole
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If an animal thats supposed to group up isnt viable on its own then it becomes harder to group up with because its just an inferior animal

uneven helm
paper oriole
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Ptera isnt supposed to be an active PvPer animal so giving it a cancer radar to detect people would be awful, and would be heavily abused by mixpacks

paper oriole
outer sphinx
paper oriole
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Having good group mates is already an incentive without artifical stat boosts

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And if you are a bad group then you dont deserve to be given the extra handholding against the people youre attacking

uneven helm
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I'm just saying there could be other ways to make combat and survival more interesting in this game other than "nerf this, buff that" that adds a needed layer of depth

paper oriole
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Make mechanics more interesting without making them cancer like a radar

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These animals already have gimmicks, they should just be expanded on

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Utah could use more variety on its pounce, somebody had a cool idea of a kickoff pounce that would add more variety to its toolkit

uneven helm
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Well some dinos are just straight bad right now from lack of options

outer sphinx
uneven helm
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So anything to fix that would be great

paper oriole
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They are one hit wonders like utah, it just has its plain old pounce

outer sphinx
paper oriole
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Yeah it was you nice

urban flax
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@random hazel The camera bumps have been there since the very first version of Evrima. It's not a problem with seamless growth itself (which works fine) but the fact that the camera doesn't constantly adjust to your dino's size. So it has those "bumps" everytime it adjusts to your dino as it gets bigger. But yeah, they're annoying.

random hazel
paper oriole
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I dont notice the bumps unless im afking in a bush tbh

odd token
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you actually decide to complain about the most unnecessary shit, a little bump where the camera zooms out because of the growth, instead of voicing the fact that there are increasingly more cheaters on officials which are ruining the game for a while now.

Which fact is gonna spread more, the fact that theres cheaters ruining the game or that the devs are gonna add more dinos for little timmy

tepid scarab
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How much time until server restarts?

bold palm
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haha, wow, this game..

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Why don't they remove some of the trees on the map... There are several sections loaded with trees that nobody even uses, might help with some fps loss or at least help performance a bit, less things to load always helps... But ya noticed that flying around a lot of the map is not usable land, it's cliffs and mountains and tons of trees.

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wanna annoy a deino player hiding by you, 1 call as PT for an hour straight lul. jk, don't do that.

worn pumice
paper oriole
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I hate PTs who do that shit and i pretty much main PT

bold palm
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I main PT as well

paper oriole
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Carnos are the second worst offenders

worn pumice
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lol the ptera juvi that clings onto a tree and one call spams

paper oriole
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Then stegos and deinos

bold palm
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dude i will murder another pt for doing that

paper oriole
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Ive killed a couple juvies i found sitting on rocks spamming

bold palm
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hence joking above

paper oriole
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God i cant believe im playing jp raptor right now

worn pumice
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deinos r even worse then stegos because u literally cannot kill them becuz of alt bite

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so they just camp all the bodies

bold palm
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and ya map isn't the best right, but they've updated it a few times so might as well remove some trees if we're to play on it for a while longer. why not. shouldn't take much time to do that I'd think.

paper oriole
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Stego juvies might be almost as bad as deinos with the spam calling

worn pumice
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i love people who wanted deino to have a 50/50 with stego even though its already completely uncontested in the water with 0 threats except for itself

bold palm
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remember when PT could kill juvi stegs in like 4-5 alt bites

paper oriole
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If deino was 50/50 with stego then either stego would be nerfed to trash or we would have a plague of land gators again

bold palm
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seems like it would take about 20 now

paper oriole
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Yeah i dont really mess with juvie stegs on PT now

bold palm
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honestly they should just put the animal as close to natural stats as possible, nature does a great job at balancing.

paper oriole
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Not really

bold palm
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yes really

worn pumice
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stego juvi is about 128 kg as a fresh spawn meaning a ptera would need 9 hits to kill it

paper oriole
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We have an unrealostic ecosystem

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Realistic utah would be fodder and deino would be nasty op and people would play on land with it

bold palm
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i'm meaning dino vs dino, natural stats would play better, versus diets, the diets would come natural

worn pumice
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natural irl stats would break the game

bold palm
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and ya carno where big and bad ass irl

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omg

worn pumice
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natural stats would be cancer

paper oriole
bold palm
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not really but ok

worn pumice
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deino and stego would both one shot each other which is just boring as gameplay

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realism stats would suck a lot

bold palm
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i don't agree but anyway, coffee then gonna pt a bit

paper oriole
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You know how filthy op something like a bear or a chimpanzee would be with human intellect? You cant use real life stats controlled by a human and think it will go well

worn pumice
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its fine u dont agree im just glad the developers agree on not making everything realistic

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otherwise it make everything so much worse

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utah would literally die to carno constantly without any means of escape

paper oriole
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In nature animals are more balanced because a. They have limited intellect and b. They evolved to co exist. Neither is the case in the isle (except the intellect for some players lol)

worn pumice
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utah in its time was the largest predator

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thats why it leans more on being bulky even though its a raptor

bold palm
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we should to on my server and see how many hits it takes pt to kill things.

worn pumice
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u can just do math using the weight = health

bold palm
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right but there are locational shit

worn pumice
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u can still use the math

bold palm
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i think it's 5 hits now with pt full alt bite face shotting baby deino right?

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I dunt wanna do math though

worn pumice
#

how much dmg does alt bite do on dinosaurs

bold palm
#

whaaaa

worn pumice
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is there a specific alt bite dmg increase across the board

bold palm
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alt bite on pt is a lot stronger

worn pumice
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alt bite on all animals is stronger im just curious if its a universal increase of a certain percentage

bold palm
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i have no idea on that, don't know what the damage is either. I used to be able to take out smaller crocs with 3 -4 bites as PT

barren zephyr
bold palm
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now it seems like might take 2x

worn pumice
paper oriole
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PT alt bite still wins the facetank against juvi carno from my experience

bold palm
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yes carno does drop

barren zephyr
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Deino alt bite never did more dmg, it just did more DPS

worn pumice
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ptera can still tank juvi utah and carno

bold palm
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and I love that they run at you and you alt bite them and they die

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yes utah and carno seem not too bad, but i've landed on smaller crocs and hit them 10 times and they aren't dead so i haven't figured it out yet.

worn pumice
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534 hits as a ptera to kill a deino TI_Troll

bold palm
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was funny for a while there you could fly over groups of crocs and 1 call and they'd all hide lol

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omg f that

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i wouldn't try to kill an adult though only baby/small juvi

paper oriole
#

Even adults hid sometimes

bold palm
#

can you figure that one out Sad?

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oh ya man, we were actually a threat it was a nice feeling

worn pumice
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well i would say a fresh spawn is around the same size as a stego so 128 kg

bold palm
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now i just get bored and dive bomb into groups of carnos and let them eat me

worn pumice
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so 9 bites to the body would kill a fresh spawn deino

bold palm
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oh that's prob right Sad, it feels like about that

paper oriole
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A shame to give any food to the spam call carno population

bold palm
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have to face shot them 9 times

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try to get like 7 in hovering and then land and finish them off maybe

worn pumice
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it would take 6 shots to the head b4 dying

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although with perfect diet i would say 7-8 because it will heal

bold palm
#

true

worn pumice
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deino can stay in the water and never leave it which is kind of funny

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it heals in the water and gains stam and theres fish through out the river

bold palm
#

ya deino is really boring rn

worn pumice
#

all deinos have to go to center for anything to happen

bold palm
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and it's fun going 1v1 but if you win you get called a cunt...

worn pumice
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i hate diet spawns so much

bold palm
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yep

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yep too

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need to get my pt some water brb

worn pumice
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their all congested in tight knitted areas and at center too

paper oriole
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Both herbis and carnis are heavily encouraged to afk once they find food

worn pumice
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^

bold palm
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What do you think if they lowered max player counts on servers to like 75?

barren zephyr
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

worn pumice
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i mean i dont think it'll change much

bold palm
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might help with AI

paper oriole
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I found a boar as utah and just afked in a bush next to its body after killing it because the ai is so bad i dont wanna leave and starve lmao

bold palm
#

eh

worn pumice
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people will still be in center and then eventually all the ai will be gone

#

does ai even spawn?

bold palm
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AI seems broken

worn pumice
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AI spawns after a server restart but then never spawns again

paper oriole
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I never used to be an AFK player but now its basically a requirement

bold palm
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not enough to support 100 players

worn pumice
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i feel like everytime i play carno im about to starve at all times

outer sphinx
#

the map is way to big for 100 players, even with the diet food placement

bold palm
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i don't play carno cuz i starve every time

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if you play carno play on a server with hardly anyone on it

paper oriole
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As herbi its either afk in any spot that isnt center that im lucky to find 2 nutrients and as carni its afk next to an ai body if im lucky enough to find one

worn pumice
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i literally dont want to play the game as a juvi thats why i afk grow

outer sphinx
paper oriole
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Because everybody is mega/mix packing at center

worn pumice
paper oriole
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I cant hunt players 90% if the damn time its 20 spam calling carnos and a mix herd

worn pumice
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whats even worse is that mix herds happen so often because of diets

outer sphinx
worn pumice
#

everything is in center go its natural for giant herds to form

paper oriole
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Yeah theyre discouraged from actually exploring so they sit at oasis or that spot at swamp

worn pumice
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^

burnt cave
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Khaens were you a stego

outer sphinx
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no a hypsi

burnt cave
#

damn

worn pumice
burnt cave
#

i just did that

paper oriole
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Lmao

bold palm
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na4 SE spawn area, swamp no ai

outer sphinx
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i did hear a stego, also all that happened on u4 launch day

burnt cave
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on a stego i mean it was not a miss but you know the isle he blocked my pounce with his bodys somehow

worn pumice
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oh when pounce was broke

burnt cave
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no

worn pumice
burnt cave
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that happened 5 minutes ago

worn pumice
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some things never change i guess

burnt cave
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yeah

paper oriole
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Pounce works most of the time now at least

outer sphinx
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actually i think thast what happened to the utah, or a combination of the 2, all ik i wasnt looking that way and i just hear utah screeches behind me then look back and see a utah that died inside TI_Wheeze

paper oriole
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I land on boars easy enough

worn pumice
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ive never had pounce not work for me so far which is good it feels much more fluid

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u can also aim the detach which is cool and adds some skill

burnt cave
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i thought that to i thought it was working all good after the update until now

outer sphinx
worn pumice
burnt cave
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but the thing is the stego that i tried to pounce was a big stego

outer sphinx
worn pumice
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did u guys know that a teno can facetank a carno with claws and win

bold palm
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for no reason whatsoever, massive FPS loss. wtf..

burnt cave
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wait really?

worn pumice
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yup

paper oriole
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Good. Carnos must all die

worn pumice
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if it just straight up face tanks it'll win

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if it trades with the claws the carno will win but straight up face tank will go badly

burnt cave
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any technique to kill multiple pachys?

worn pumice
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otherwise run

outer sphinx
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be a group of apexes*

burnt cave
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yeah i guess thats the only way

outer sphinx
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pachy is so overtuned lol

burnt cave
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year is 2022 utah i still getting owned by everything

worn pumice
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pachy is way too good on the stun department

outer sphinx
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well its alt is but nontheless

worn pumice
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oh yea also you know that downwards head butt it does?

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that will knock a utah down completely as well lol

outer sphinx
burnt cave
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yeah

bold palm
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if you wanna grow a deino go to SE, nobody here

burnt cave
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that stun is long enough to kill utah with alt attacks

worn pumice
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the stun on utah actually lets u decide what bone u wanna break lol

paper oriole
bold palm
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sounds like we play very similar styles

worn pumice
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after u stun a utah u can charge up that ram and hit it from behind to do a leg fracture or u can hit it on its head to do head fracture

burnt cave
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but this feels good when u win against cannibals that just killed your buddy as a utah

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did it before the stego body block

outer sphinx
worn pumice
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on the same token tho one pounce will kill a pachy so its not entirely unfair

worn pumice
burnt cave
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no theres no need to charge up again

bold palm
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but even cannibalizing deino is out now, no reason when there are 900 fish

burnt cave
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u can just end it with alt attacks

outer sphinx
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head-99.99%
missed

burnt cave
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but

worn pumice
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depending on the charge and how u hit it u can alt hit it to death

burnt cave
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it does not work when there are multiple pachys

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i do it everytime and works everytime

worn pumice
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still tho utahs can dispatch a pachy easier then u think

burnt cave
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even hits at the ass kills it

worn pumice
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all u need is to land one pounce

burnt cave
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i did

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but thing is

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there are 5 of em

worn pumice
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well ur not rly supposed to be fighting 5 of them tho

burnt cave
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i have no other choice i need food about to starve but they are body camping

outer sphinx
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well a solo utah isnt supposed to fight more than 1 of anything its size or bigger

burnt cave
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i was not solo had like 3 friends

worn pumice
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well see thats not rly a balance problem thats just im starving kind of thing

burnt cave
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that is

worn pumice
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even so if the pachy's outnumber u u rly shouldn't fight them

burnt cave
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if pachy knows what its doing

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4 utah cant kill 2 pachys

outer sphinx
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starving creates situations like that, desperation, this is how life works

burnt cave
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pachy is so overpowered in my opinion some people call it being noob but still most of the times i see a fight between pachys and utahs is ending with pachys win

outer sphinx
outer sphinx
worn pumice
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i still think the problem here is that every dino in the roster so far that needs a pack to be killed is a brawler or a tank

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that is why utah has such a hard time

burnt cave
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then aint utahs should get a buff?

worn pumice
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why do they need a buff

outer sphinx
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no, the others should get nerfed/ brought back to reality

burnt cave
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cuse they are obviously getting owned by everything in the game

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yeah Khaens or that

worn pumice
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utah is good enough to kill stegos in a pack now ive seen it happen

burnt cave
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Pachy on the other hand which should be the same tier as utah is owning everything

worn pumice
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pachy is overtuned mainly cuz of the stuns

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its headbutt takes priority over a lot of things

outer sphinx
burnt cave
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then utah has to have something good to

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like how often do utahs kill stegos?

outer sphinx
worn pumice
bold palm
burnt cave
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okay then lets calculate

worn pumice
burnt cave
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pachys carno kills

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are extremely high

silver zephyr
burnt cave
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about utahs tho...

worn pumice
worn pumice
outer sphinx
burnt cave
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bleeding technique only works when there is 1 enemy or if u have like 5 utahs in your group just maybe 2

worn pumice
burnt cave
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i killed a fully grown carno as a solo pachy

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just chance of getting leg break

outer sphinx
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also, overried means when they are used at the exact same time, ofc if you used it before yours takes priority

silver zephyr
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they were used at the same time in that vid tho

bold palm
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Ya they just need to find a good balance between not enough and too much...

worn pumice
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their used at the same time tho yet the headbutt always takes the priority and it deals stun dmg with fractures

bold palm
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anyway i found 2 turtles

outer sphinx
burnt cave
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maybe a stun cooldown against medium sizes like carno and tenonto and a stun time decrease on utah

silver zephyr
worn pumice
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^

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lol it actually staggers it

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thats crazy

burnt cave
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is it still in the game

worn pumice
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pachy is a fair and balanced dinosaur

silver zephyr
burnt cave
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oh lol

outer sphinx
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i said that ram iirc overrides a charging carno, not that it staggers a stationary one

burnt cave
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Its just as believeable as saying ark has no bugs for me

bold palm
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ARK...

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I do like building in that game though.

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it got old though, quick, like Rust got old

burnt cave
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as a utah main, everytime i hear a pachy i just feel like leaving the server and just join another one sometimes...

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and did i ever say i have never died to a utah as pachy?

echo tiger
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I just kill pachies by the dozen as a carno

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most of them try and fight you and you can just turn on them and kill them in 3 bites, its quite funny

burnt cave
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How is that possible do they not know how to click rbm?

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how many were they?

bold palm
echo tiger
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nah so you can either like:

Hit them with a charge and then bite them twice in the head and they die,

Or you can just bait out their charge and then get behind them, its alot harder to do with 6 pachies but me and a friend slaughtered them on EU1

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I dont really like doing the second one though since its pretty hard especially with other herbivores

barren zephyr
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Aim doesn't do much when it puts you right next to them

lone ember
# silver zephyr

this is just painful to watch, I think their damage out put is fair.
But the staggering they can out put alone and in groups, can be sometimes a bit to strong, as seen in the video. Lmao

hazy sparrow
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a chance to stagger 😮 ?

midnight rune
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never been killed so many times by herbies as a carnivore then after this patch, pachys acting like raptors chasing down carnivores because theyre op af

frail prawn
midnight rune
outer sphinx
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@frail prawn i love you idea as its smth i have been thinking of aswell, but i think for the whole roster in mind having more marshes on top of more swamps is important too

frail prawn
sand lantern
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There could still be lots of small rivers right?

outer sphinx
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def

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there needs to be small rivers going into the large ones, and the large ones either go into a swamp, marsh or ocean

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the marsh could also apear next to the ocean exit, like how it happens irl

half rivet
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@smoky wigeon That would be absolutely hilarious, seeing a ptera get knocked out of a tree. Terrifying for the ptera and pachy if they don't know that a ptera is there, but hilarious for any other parties

smoky wigeon
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@half rivet I think it would be a great addition because ptera pecking us and hide in the trees one way to get them back

half rivet
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It should only really work for the palm trees though.

smoky wigeon
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for sure

ashen wasp
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yeah, knocking things out of trees and off of rocks should be a thing if knocking OVER trees is gonna be a thing

fallen cargo
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Itd add a bit of counter play to things like Herrara as well (though if it's paying attention I'm sure it could get to another tree in time)

bold palm
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k so now major lag apparently even on lowest settings lol k

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Sorry FPS drops...

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I'll be honest, bit salty atm, this game is a frustrating mess and it's a bummer cuz I want to play, but seems all I can do is run around, afk and fly around, try to interact with other players, major lag, fps drops and bad hit boxes along with some being OP, cough cough, pachy wtf?, and some be UP, PT cough cough, and lets not forget broken AI and not enough food to support the players. Dang I can't wait till you guys/gals come back from break and I sure hope there is a hotfix to address some of these things asap...

hoary dawn
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I always kill my own

paper oriole
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when ever a group of carnos is nearby my footstep sounds just stop working TI_LUL

bold palm
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Just jotting this down, when herbis body guard, prevent players from eating, since herbis do not eat meat, they should start to get sick from the corpses they guard, induces vomit, can drain stats, not good so would help prevent them from camping bodies. Only if the animal is your diet item can you stay by the body without issue, otherwise, the idea would be to induce sickness after 5-10 minutes of being withing a close range of a dead body, the closer you are at time of sickness the more ill you get and then create a zone that spreads far enough out, less sickness as they get further away until no sickness, big enough space so they can no longer effectively gaurd the body.

paper oriole
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that sounds abuuseable af actually especially when nesting comes around

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you could easily drop bodies to grief herbivores

bold palm
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create a zone around nests to mitigate that effect.

paper oriole
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there's also having to stay in an area to heal/during a long lasting fight, feeding grounds, etc

bold palm
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prevent nesting by dead bodies initially

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hence 5-10 mins

paper oriole
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people can just drop bodies where people accumulate for shits and giggles

bold palm
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they could, but how much fun would that be.

paper oriole
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fun for the griefers lol

bold palm
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kinda like gaurding the bodies. lol

paper oriole
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some people get kicks out of ruining another person/group of peoples' gameplay. youd just be replacing one grief tactic with another

icy lion
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If there were a corpse sickness added then herbis would have to be able to drag corpses imo, which would make herbis camping corpses worse

bold palm
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true, but it would always be that way, having something is better than having nothing and I do believe something along these lines with some fine tuning and further discussion could prevent a majority, you could also limit the amount of time a unit can carry an item.

paper oriole
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yeah herbis would be dropping bodies off cliffs or in to water lmao

bold palm
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make it drain stam real fast or something.

icy lion
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It already does afaik

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But only for dragging I think

bold palm
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ok cool so check that off the list. 🙂

paper oriole
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dont see how that would solve anything unless your 'list' is a list of useless additions lol

bold palm
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having a list of useless additions is not a list that would be useful at all.

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it's a step in the direction of prevention of body guarding. Maybe they will just add more food or something down the road to resolve it, but hey, it's a thought.

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@paper oriole you play POT

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wondering if that is still glorified legacy shit.

paper oriole
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i only played the free trial of PoT and theres some real awful features in there

bold palm
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ya no doubt

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hated it honestly...

paper oriole
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idk if this shit still exists but if some people hang out by a lake then the entire ass lake becomes undrinkable

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and the new growth system forces you to do their shitty fetch quests or you just dont grow

bold palm
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well that makes sense... 😶

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ok then ya it still sucks

paper oriole
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"collect these pine cones mr. allo, or you will stay juvenile stage forever"

bold palm
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ya that was stupid imo

warm flame
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PoT is the worst $20 I ever spent

paper oriole
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and there's tons of mega mix packs it may even be worse than the isle with the mega mix packs

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lol i think they raised the cost too

bold palm
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haha with starvation having a mix pack is a good thing 🙂

paper oriole
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you can get perks that affect your speed and juveniles cant escape an adult who wants to kfs them

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ive seen a deinocheirus chase down 2 sarchos, swim faster than them and kill them

bold palm
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ya i'll pass on that

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when do the devs get back from break?

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is it this week or next?

paper oriole
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no idea

bold palm
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ya figured haha

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i realized that after I asked the question, nobody probably knows.

icy lion
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Last year I believe they came back mid to late January

fallen cargo
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could be better too, but with time im sure it will be

paper oriole
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yeah at least isle didnt take the RPG route like the other two

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and the route of putting base game mechanics in that reinforce what should be unofficial rules

barren zephyr
manic flint
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That's kinda why they added the ability to grab meat chunks
And corpse gaurding will be a shit idea once scavengers come out like Rex and Cerato

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But because stego exists and the apex is carno there's no reason not to

limber hull
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body guarding is really not that big of an issue to which we should punish herbis for staying near corpses. You are aware that herbis can kill things and make corpses too

paper oriole
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I hear a lot about bodyguarding herbis but ive only ever seen it myself one time in evrima

limber hull
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yea lmao

willow storm
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It seems like you both haven't played enough carnivores and if you have then I'm completely lost.

manic flint
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It's just not that common
I've personally never seen it

limber hull
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raptor is my fave animal to play and has been for a very long time. Rarely do I ever see body camping by herbis, unless body camping involves "not immediately running the opposite direction the moment a single member of the herd dies and instead continuing the fight they were already having"

willow storm
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On na 1 I've seen it happen countless times.

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Such as pachys camping bushes surrounding a corpse for over 10 minutes when the fight has clearly stopped long before.

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or a stego sitting on a corpse for again, 10 minutes when the fight was clearly over long before

paper oriole
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Maybe its all happening at oasis? I dont go to that cesspit

limber hull
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i usually see animals just walk away. There's really not that much engaging about sitting on a corpse with no one around or coming near you

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probably at oasis tbh

willow storm
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Yes, this happens mostly at oasis

paper oriole
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I avoid oasis and i am usually fine

limber hull
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since the animals doing it don't feel pressured to move

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since oasis provides everything anyone could need

paper oriole
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Oasis is full of every toxic behaviour in the game

dapper mirage
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nuke the mudpool

limber hull
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they can just sit there and do nothing

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this update was one of the best, except oasis

willow storm
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But you see now? It literally happens

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All the time at oasis when it doesn't have to

limber hull
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then i feel its more an issue with having such a fucking massive hotspot

willow storm
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its like the body is at their plants

dapper mirage
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the isle dont make the map worse than it was last update 5 seconds challenge (impossible)

paper oriole
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Just remove oasis and people will spread out and be less cancerous

dapper mirage
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to be fair we cant just remove oasis now either

willow storm
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Removing oasis isn't a good solution

dapper mirage
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because south was nuked and shallows is dead

willow storm
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Just add more hotspots so it everything spreads out

dapper mirage
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then you're dooming players to wander around an awful map with nowhere to go

willow storm
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because before oasis the map was still kind of bad

dapper mirage
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remember what happened when utah rock was deleted on v3? the map became a wasteland

paper oriole
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Herbivore food should be spread all over its appropriate biomes and not have 100% availability at oasis

limber hull
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im excited for update 5 simply due to nesting grounds and more hotspots

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please for the love of god, keep nesting grounds WELL away from oasis

willow storm
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Yeah that would be nice

willow storm
limber hull
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tenos range of movement is extremely limited atm

willow storm
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I was really hoping for herbivores, that the diets would be spread out enough so the herbivores would actually have to migrate around the map which would add a lot more life overall to the map

tepid river
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same tbh

limber hull
dapper mirage
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spiro cannot be saved

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it must die

limber hull
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i reckon Jace can do some good shit with Spiro, just gotta wait

tepid river
#

if we had a lot more of the biomes where herbivore food spawned, rather than x food is in one or two particular plains, jungles, whatever, it would solve most of the issues with oasis. right now most of the problem is just that herbies can find almost all of their food around it no matter their species, so they can all gather there in multiple large herds

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especially foods that are marked as being in all biomes, they really only seem to spawn around the spawn points, rather then every biome they should be in

stray holly
paper oriole
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Also some foods are just unreasonably scarce like mushrooms

stray holly
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Even though melons are SUPPOSED to spawn in plains biomes

tepid river
stray holly
tepid river
# stray holly Two solutions I see. That can work in tandem with one another. Make it plants sp...

I think the map size itself is fine, it's just that so many areas are not used being the issue. Having more hotspots and the food spawn correctly would curb a lot of this. If the northwest area of the map had say a swamp, plain, and arid area, with also spots in between it and the other spawn zones, we could see a lot of player migration there. Most of the northern areas I think think ive been to in months just because there is nothing worth going there for

stray holly
tepid river
# stray holly That is a good point. Do you think that idea along with an increase in player ca...

Ehh, on its own, no, I think it'd just make the problem worse in all regards. More players might make it easier for carnivores a bit, but we'd still likely see the same issue of all the herbivore food being around center/south, so players would continue to stay there, and there'd be an increase in competition between herbivores. Things like stego where they need a lot of very small plants for their diet might just kill each other more than the carnivores kill them

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Better utilization of the map and spawn rates of the food is the way to go IMO, something kinda like this. Breaking up the biomes into smaller sections and having more of them would lead to a lot less player density, and maybe in that case increasing the player count would be a good thing if it ended up that people were too spread out

map_biome.png
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it would depend on the server being able to handle more players than the standard 100 though, and it seems like at least in my experience, community servers where the player count is higher, regardless of where they are, suffer a ton more lag and framerate issues

warm flame
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@cobalt kiln you can change your settings but I think that's it, unfortunately settings can't lower too much because players would lower them to abuse them

cobalt kiln
signal beacon
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@haughty citrus what's that supposed to mean?

haughty citrus
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i mean, the utah is a good choice for play

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ironically obs

signal beacon
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Obs?

haughty citrus
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obviously

lavish quail
#

Damn where did all teh good ideas go

crisp monolith
#

How does a juvi utah have no preffered diet yet still say poor diet and give a growth debuff with a full stomach

icy lion
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Did you cannibalize?

barren zephyr
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you still have to get nutrients, which is really easy

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only other utahs dont give you nutrients and debuff you

crisp monolith
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aah okay, it was another utah

ebon geyser
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so is jace gonna rework spiro in update 5?

bold palm
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are fish supposed to fall out of your pt mouth when flying?

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happend 3 times so far in the last 10 mins

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fish just falls out of my mouth.

limber hull
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slippery

paper oriole
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i always assumed it was a bug, is it an intentional feature lol

bold palm
paper oriole
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i was bringing food to my godawful friend once and they starved because the fish i was bringing to them just decided to yeet in to the void

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which, i guess they kinda deserved to starve to death because they suck at fishing themselves but damn lol

bold palm
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and they drop into rivers all the time as AI spawns in

paper oriole
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i havent seen them fly out of the river since the last qa but it wouldnt shock me that its still an issue

limber hull
bold palm
paper oriole
bold palm
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fly around with a crab you look like a mix between a pt and a predator.

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it's fun to drag dead crocs around like as utah as well

paper oriole
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the compy bodies are fun as well, they often twirl like a fidget spinner because their bad hitbox

calm granite
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HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE

deft linden
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How was what possible? Looks like the person ran right into the tail slam to me

sand lantern
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Nah the teno is hit box manipulating 😂

calm granite
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well as you can see the utah that ran into me bugging my pounce out making it delay itself somehow and made me do it later then when i actually clicked, causing me to get hit by the aids hitbox of the creature you see in the video.

true portal
# tepid river if we had a lot more of the biomes where herbivore food spawned, rather than x f...

i like these places, think of it as when the map is as massive as they say its gonna be, having little outcrops such as these will only be temporary places and for realism players, will be seen as dedicated nesting grounds where its allowed for herds to group together not just in groups that have one or more similiar diets. For now it does seem really easy, but these places wont sustain large herds for long and if need be, when and if implemented, id love an admin ability to increase fauna and ai when restarting a server that is, and having a set command, as some people might wanna make it harder ie for winter months and such or easier to encourage growth. The issue currently is yes, that food isnt where its suppose to be sometimes (tho as a teno i havent had an issue finding potatos and berries where their suppose to be, tho ive only ever been to oasis and found berries, cant list where ive seen berries elsewhere), so ensuring the foods spawning where it should be is important, having small patches of hot spots between water sources or near water sources can encourage travel and finding safe paths as well as making dedicated migration paths as those directions/locations will be known to host the variety of food needed

velvet mango
# true portal i like these places, think of it as when the map is as massive as they say its g...

First of all I would like to point out that I absolutely love how to explain things and how in depth you go with each of your answers. I loved your feedback in the “general-feedback” tag talking about the colorization between dinosaurs. I’ve always been a big fan of the colors, though the only things that really bugged me about them was the fact that babies never or barely looked like their parents. I love the idea of babies having a more earthy color to blend in from danger, and getting brighter as they grow! I enjoy playing on realism servers when I can find them, so if you’re one of those players as well, I have a question for you. Though you can give feedback on everything I’ve said so far, do you think it would be a good idea for size differences to be added? I’ve always kinda enjoyed that idea, giving people/players another way to tell male and female dinosaurs apart aside from colors :>>

true portal
# velvet mango First of all I would like to point out that I absolutely love how to explain thi...

thanks brooke, ya nesting is a whole other issue i wish to talk about, as when i first played legacy (though i was still very pleased) i had 6 diablo babies all come out yellow just like me (and yes i named them accordingly after cheeses), and was really confused why none had the dads skin even though i was told if i didnt add any food and only let the dad put food AND if he was close by the nest there was a chance that theyd have his colurs i was really sad to learn that was not the case. Realism servers have "nest reskins" which allow babies to take the adult colours or just change from the default ones that some of the legacy dino babies get stuck with, but its not an idle fix. I would love it if size differences were added, and more such as lack of melanin and such, i have a server that my friend made if u want to see those examples as i dont too much remember it all. But also with the nesting traits and buffs and such that will be added (one day im so hyped) i hope that they will also add small chances for lack of better word, mutations, or failed breedings, such as one less limb, or even giving the player semi blindness. I'd love these to be implemented, ( i know general day to day players wont, so i'd recommend a whole category for realistic playstyles that include these things such as mutations, varied colours and pigmentations and the changing colours from baby to adult as an option when you make your server or such) There are ways people have already found to implement them, but to see them fully implemented would be amazing! Also im a profile creator so thats why i really enjoy coming up with things lol, feel free to dm me more about realism discussion!

velvet mango
# true portal thanks brooke, ya nesting is a whole other issue i wish to talk about, as when i...

Oh my goodness yes! I completely agree with everything you’ve said! I’ve tried so many times trying to get children that I’ve had get the dads colors, but they always end up with mine, and for some reason some colors are VERY dominant than others, like white and yellow I’ve noticed. Because of this I tried switching my colors around so I wouldn’t have so many baby bananas lol. And yes I think size differences would be awesome! For realism servers, it would be useful to know like the alphas of the pack from afar cause they would be bigger, or some would be skinner/skrony showing the weaker ones and maybe even for trikes have some with bigger/bulkier horns than others. There are so many good opportunities for evrima that would make it so much more immersive and fun to play for realism players or heck, even regular players that enjoy dinosaurs. Also yes!! I LOVE the mutation idea!! I currently play on a server that is full-realism, and mutations are things we can roll for and implement on our dinosaur, though it takes away the fun when “physical” mutations can’t be seen like missing limbs, partially feathered dinosaurs, and more. Oh! And I would absolutely LOVE the examples you were talking about with your friend!! I’ve always wanted to create my own server that is realism since I sadly don’t see them very often, but I’m not experienced with isle admin game stuff or server stuff yet, so I’m holding off! Lol

true portal
# velvet mango Oh my goodness yes! I completely agree with everything you’ve said! I’ve tried s...

100!! i love the idea of size variations, as well as itll lead to smaller dinos being run off and such tho said smaller dinos will have more speed and be able to bite more quickly with a trade off of less health and less stamina and strength id say. May i ask if the server is hellfire? and ye 100% about it being a little harder to implement physical mutations sadly tho i do do a mean limp. And i will totally back you up, id love helping make profiles, but let me tell you its a full time job, my last one died because they were waiting for evirma to kick up and our player base was more people in school so they lost activity and finally gave up partially cuz i got very upset about effort and such and was being rude. I recommend not only preparing a good set up with profiles and rules and such (you should have a rules person and profile person etc) but also a player base, the demand is hard to meet as i know one prominent realism server that has a niche over it and has the majority of older players sadly, and isnt too welcoming to advertising other realism servers and such

barren zephyr
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velvet mango
# true portal 100!! i love the idea of size variations, as well as itll lead to smaller dinos ...

Yes! I think if size differences get added into evrima, which I hope they do!, I think it will be a great balance between bigger/bulkier dinosaurs and smaller/skinnier dinosaurs, unless they’re too skinny which could show other players that that dino could possibly be old or sickly maybe. And yes! I know nothing about profiles or setting up rules and stuff, so making a server myself would be completely new for me. Also to answer your question on if the server was hellfire, it definitely is!! There are some quirks and cons within the server, but it’s the only dedicated realism server I’ve found. Do you happen to play on it? If so, I’d LOVE to play within the game with you to even see how you play! It’s always interesting to see how everyone reacts with one another

barren zephyr
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What do you guys mean size variations

true portal
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so say when a babies born

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it can be born a runt, or be born slightly bigger if the family has a small nesting

velvet mango
# barren zephyr What do you guys mean size variations

Okay, so for males and females you know the only way of telling them apart is colors right? Males have crest colors and females do not. But!, what I mean by size differences is though colors would definitely help players like they normally do, it would be a better help to tell males and females apart just by their size, like females being bigger/bulkier to handle predators to protect their babies and males, while still being strong of course, being skinner and more skrony than their females

gusty patrol
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if anyone would make a realism server inv me :0 and yes those ideas are TI_Perfect TI_Perfect TI_Perfect TI_Perfect TI_Perfect TI_Perfect

barren zephyr
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i think if you nest a lot of people in a row, your chances for a runt increase and such

barren zephyr
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But that sounds kinda ass

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Imagine you get spawned in and instantly have weaker stats

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That isn't really fun

gusty patrol
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makes it interesting to live tho, cuz youll be a rare fella

barren zephyr
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A rare, weak fella who gets rekt yeah

velvet mango
barren zephyr
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Like I said, it isn't really fun. I mean, maybe if they make an even more "Hardcore" mode then I'd like the idea

gusty patrol
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barren zephyr
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as mammals do that, not reptiles to my knowledge, aside from crocodiles who carry their babies in the mouth which should be made by having the babies choose to get in their mouth