general-feedback-discussion

[unreal plover]

we have 1 unskinned unrigged model

[feral solstice]

They weigh a lot so they won’t come to the game for a while

[unreal plover]

for plateo and pachyrhino

[pulsar lantern]

If you're not a dev then it makes no sense to say the roster is locked in or that the number of playables is set then, considering how fickle the devs are.

[feral solstice]

It does when a dev states it’s locked in

[swift dew]

they have stated it is locked though

[honest sparrow]

I can, because someone sent a roster of playables we know about to Filipe, and he said that’s it

[barren zephyr]

Argue

[feral solstice]

Which pretty much means it’s confirmed for the game

[honest sparrow]

^

[swift dew]

any other creatures that will come to the game other than the already confirmed 56 are either coming for a VERY good reason, or after the game leaves early access

[icy lion]

kissen said it was locked. sadly this was in the old #isle-discussion

allo is coming to the game

[unreal plover]

yea megaraptor should too

[icy lion]

we are locked on creatures

in my opinion thats a good thing

[hoary dawn]

56 is a lot

[feral solstice]

^

[unreal plover]

we have megaraptor concept and in some cases playables only exist as concept art

[unreal plover]

a portion of those are probably gonna be alt skins

[pulsar lantern]

Does that mean it's pointless for people to discuss fan favorites like Prestosuchus or Pelagornis. If you can make a good reason for a creatures inclusion I see no fault with it.

[hoary dawn]

no?

[unreal plover]

giga and charchar as a good example

unless giga wasnt on this list of 56 playables

[feral solstice]

Most of them are playables

[honest sparrow]

Giga is on the list

[unreal plover]

how about charchar

[icy lion]

i used to agree with that but given the new information on the creature lock and our already massive roster of 56 now confirmed i no longer agree

[honest sparrow]

Carhcar has been stated multiple times to be a skin

[feral solstice]

Charchar is a skin for Giga, pretty sure that’s the only Dino we know so far that has one

[honest sparrow]

So

[icy lion]

likely to return as an alt skin according to punch

[swift dew]

charcar is on it too, and punch said they will most likely go the alternate skin route

[icy lion]

i imagine cory will be the same

[unreal plover]

cory and para, mono and dilo, giga and charchar

[hoary dawn]

mono is its own thing

[pulsar lantern]

People say 56 is a lot until you consider how many of those playables would actually have impactful gameplay that would make people bother playing them. A lot of the cast just feels like filler, like Homacephale and Minmi

[honest sparrow]

Yeah mono is it’s own thing for some reason

[unreal plover]

if you took a hard look at that list of 56 you'd probably see a lot more which are basically just alt skins of similar things, unless artificially given a unique mechanic by isle devs explicitly to make them unique

[swift dew]

also it depends on the size of para we get, if we get 7-8 ton para, cory might be a maia skin

[honest sparrow]

Homalo I agree is kinda just lame

[hoary dawn]

minmi is a chad

[feral solstice]

But minmi is also a semi-aquatic herbivore. The first we’ve ever had

[honest sparrow]

But Minmi is essentially entirely unique

[icy lion]

so why add another in megaraptor?

[feral solstice]

Homa will also burrow

[hoary dawn]

minmi is getting a ton of love with all the shit it has

[unreal plover]

megaraptor would be a case where it offers something unique to the roster and could boost the viability of other playables by filling a niche to superior degree compared to those currently planned

[tidal fjord]

Where is this list of 56?

[unreal plover]

yea idk

im just using ancient isle knowledge to remember when every announcement was an orange-ish brown prehistoric animal model

[pulsar lantern]

Minmi is a snickers snack for Deino, its playstyle would be good in idea, but in execution with how big it is you'd just be playing hot potato going on land, back to water, and vice versa to not die from literally anything.

[icy lion]

you could probably ask to be pmed a list in #isle-discussion, i cant remember who specifically has it on hand

[swift dew]

#isle-discussion message

that plus carchar, it also might be missing a couple others but im not sure

[tidal fjord]

Is this official?

[feral solstice]

You do realize it’s meant to hide in foliage and live in a burrow, where Deino can’t get to it, while probably being faster than Deino in general?
Doesn’t sound like a snack to Deino.

[pulsar lantern]

I can give a small dino burrowing, climbing, swimming, venom, spitting and every other cute trick under the sun but it doesn't matter if a Utah can just run up and oneshot them. You can already see this with Hypsi in current Evrima.

[icy lion]

was confirmed by filipe so in a way yes

[swift dew]

scroll down a tad and you can see filipe say that they missed one, which is carchar

[tidal fjord]

Oki

[unreal plover]

im all for suspension of disbelief when it makes interesting gameplay, but i really cant see minmi outswimming a dieno without looking goofy

[feral solstice]

It’s not going to swim lol

Rather

[honest sparrow]

Hypsi sucks because it was added without arboreal mechanics, it’s primary form of escape from shit

[feral solstice]

Hippo walk away

And then run into land

[honest sparrow]

Minmi is a bottom runner

[feral solstice]

Or to it’s burrow

[unreal plover]

deino runs along the bottom too

[honest sparrow]

Basically see the deino coming, haul ass on land or into burrow

[pulsar lantern]

Run into land into a Utah and die then? Whats the point of being semi-aquatic if you just get the worst of both worlds.

[feral solstice]

Who says there will be a Utah lol

We’re talking about Deino not Utah

[honest sparrow]

Also imagine being a 300 kg ankylosaur and getting one shot by a utah

[pulsar lantern]

Because servers don't consist of purely Deinos and Minmis?

[honest sparrow]

That seems really dumb

[swift dew]

thats why minmi does this

[feral solstice]

That doesn’t make sense

We’re talking about Deino balance, not Utah balance lol

But it also wouldn’t die to a Utah

It’s got armor for a reason

[pulsar lantern]

We're talking about the overall balance of Minmi, not Deino

And minmi has to deal with more than deino

[feral solstice]

Well next time mention more than just Deino cause it really sounded like you were just talking about Deino lol

[unreal plover]

the point is that its only method of escape is to switch from aquatic to terrestrial environments in which case when theres a predator on both they just kinda die

[feral solstice]

Minmi has armor and a bolt cutter bite (not as good as Proto though), so it can defend against a Utah

[honest sparrow]

Minmi is fine, it has 2 areas that severely limit the amount of predators it can interact with, and probably enough armor and tankiness to escape shit large enough to easily kill it

[pulsar lantern]

Well obviously I'm only going to use one example at a time, but if you insist we could also talk about how Minmi will deal with Spino, Bary, sucho and Cerato in water, or literally any theropod utah sized and above on land

[feral solstice]

Minmi would probably outrun a spino, and hide from a Bary, Sucho, and Cerato.

Minmi can hippo walk at the bottom of the river and be safe from cera

It can run and hide from Bary since it’ll probably hear it coming

[swift dew]

also the ground

[honest sparrow]

Spino just hide, bary you can probably tank 1 bite or dive deeper, I really don’t see bary or sucho as divers, so Minmi can just walk away, Cera might have above average swim speed, but again, just sink

[feral solstice]

Not to mention it can burrow itself in mud

And essentially turn into a rock

[unreal plover]

until you learn the slight differences between the minmi and rock and just 1 tap it as a bary

[honest sparrow]

1 tapping a Minmi as bary seems stupid to me

[feral solstice]

^

[unreal plover]

or maybe you wont 1 tap it, but you'll basically just chase it down and keep biting it until it dies

[honest sparrow]

Also you’re just scratching a bunch of submerged osteoderms

[feral solstice]

Minmi would likely be in the water before you can kill it

[feral solstice]

^

[unreal plover]

this all sounds a lot like ichthyovenator in BoB

[feral solstice]

I don’t play BoB so

Idfk how

[unreal plover]

it had the same thing pretty much just bouncing between land and water without being really good at both, it really didnt work from a balance POV

[honest sparrow]

Icthy sucks because mosa exists

[unreal plover]

minmi will suck because deino exists

[feral solstice]

Again

It can hide in foliage

Run unto land

[unreal plover]

water sense

[feral solstice]

Which shouldn’t be that much of a thing

[swift dew]

or just enter the ground

[unreal plover]

yea how fast is minmi going to be

[feral solstice]

Fast enough to escape the slowest carnivores lol

Aka

Deino

[unreal plover]

even if it makes it to its burrow in time you'll probably just get camped out at your burrow

[feral solstice]

Sucho

[feral solstice]

I don’t see how that would happen

[unreal plover]

deino isnt slow in water tho lol

[pulsar lantern]

Burrows overall are just a shit idea though. Might be fun in idea, but having to be anchored to one area to rush into a hole and hope my predator isn't bored enough to just wait me out doesn't really give me incentive to not just play a bigger dino instead.

[feral solstice]

And minmi can hide in its burrow or foliage

[unreal plover]

just sit at the entrance and wait for it to come out

[honest sparrow]

Then get out of the water when you see one

[feral solstice]

Multiple entrances

[unreal plover]

is that how burrowing is gonna work in isle tho

[feral solstice]

I don’t see why not

[unreal plover]

concept art shows 1 shallow burrow

[feral solstice]

Filipe DID experiment on stream multiple burrows

[unreal plover]

it took pred like years to get ory burrow working

[feral solstice]

Where he places multiple exits and entrances

[honest sparrow]

Burrows vary

Bob uses its own different system for burrowing that’s weird

[unreal plover]

minmis concept only shows 1 entrance and a shallow burrow

[feral solstice]

Concept art is the behavior of the animal

Not the actual thing

It’s a concept the devs can use to help create their animal

They can add or remove what they want

[unreal plover]

well there are some animals that dig a shallow burrow and some that dig really big complex burrows with loads of offshoots and entrances

[honest sparrow]

I’d be surprised if it didn’t have the option for at least 1 alternate entrance

[feral solstice]

Plus maybe you’ll be able to nest in the burrow

And not to mention

You’ll be able to pick up pieces of food

So you can bring it in your burrow

Bring enough food to starve out the Deino if they decide to block both entrances

They also shouldn’t even be traveling with 3 deinos either so that’s not a balance argument

[pulsar lantern]

Having to stay attached to a burrow your whole life doesn't seem very viable either though. How is Minmi supposed to travel to seek out the food it's diet demands? It all just seems like a very roundabout way to justify an animal that doesn't have the stats to compete with the dinos a servers majority will prefer.

[feral solstice]

It eats food.. in the river..

It’s semi-aquatic

It’s like a moose

It dives for its food

And eats what’s on the river floor

[unreal plover]

1. thats operating under the nearly baseless assumption that minmi burrows will have multiple entrances
2. if you build a burrow, you're committing to that locale, and due to minmis small stature and short legs, it'll likely be difficult to venture far from your burrow without being caught in a bad spot by the predators that know you live in that area, making it easy for them to just come back and harass you on a whim while the resources around your burrow dwindle

they can camp your burrow without literally putting their mouth directly on the entrance you know

[pulsar lantern]

Stego eats plants on open plains, doesn't mean every section of open plains on the map will have its preferred food. The entire purpose of diets is to make herbivores move around more.

[unreal plover]

exactly, if your playstyle revolves around living in 1 small locality, the diet mechanic will be your enemy

[feral solstice]

Yeah that’s about it’s diet. So what. Minmi has multiple escape options either by hiding in foliage, entering its burrow (which should have multiple entrances), or running on land.
Those are all viable escape options. Even when looking for it’s preferred food, and a Deino comes by. Run on land and you’ll escape it. This isn’t balance based off of what else is on land, because if Deino has to run on land to escape another Deino, but there’s multiple other predators.. you see where the issue lands?
If resources dwindle and they camp the burrow.. just get away from the burrow? Doesn’t matter if they’re camping it, there will likely be a time when you can outsmart the campers and escape the burrow.

And like I said, it’s a burrow in the water, which should have multiple entrances. Maybe you can burrow where plants are, or nearby the riverbank.

Those all give you a means to escape.

Deino camping doesn’t really mean shit when it has 3 other options to survive

[feral solstice]

The burrows probably won’t be permanent. Maybe it’s going to be used for nesting purposes. We’ll see tho

[manic flint]

In the concept art it dug into the ground with only it's back exposed

[unreal plover]

you're literally just ignoring what im saying and re-stating points ive already countered

[feral solstice]

You’ve countered them poorly

And detailed multiple times

[pulsar lantern]

Its not an issue for deino because having to retreat to land into land predators is something only smaller deinos have to do. It's a temporary weakness adult deinos are mostly exempt from. Minmi on the otherhand is on the very low end of the food chain, and would constantly have to go between land and water to dodge X and Y, with no potential to outgrow that weakness

[swift dew]

it also had an actual burrow

[unreal plover]

foliage- useless due to water sense
burrow- useless due to ease of camping
running on land- useless when there is literally anything else in the area
getting away from the burrow-infeasible due to low speed

[manic flint]

Yea Ik

[unreal plover]

multiple entrance theory- baseless theory crafting based on concept art which shows a very simple 1 entrance hole in the side of a hill

[manic flint]

They talked about the new burrowing mechanics before. They are working on having expansive tunnel systems

[unreal plover]

now you did mention filipe streaming a burrow with multiple entrances, id be interested in seeing that

[feral solstice]

Water sense is unbalanced and a lot of people have already stated it is, so hopefully that’s changed to make foliage more useful.
You say a burrow is useless due to camping but like I said, stock up on resources, wait it out until the campers decide to get a quick snack, run into the forest and never come back. You can always make a burrow somewhere else.
Minmi should also have enough speed to escape a Deino on land. You’re using baseless and unbalanced claims that it should be slow, which is something I do not get.
Running on land is also very useful especially if you manage to escape into the forest and hide in a bush. You ignore multiple points when it comes to hiding in a forest.

It also has the option to burrow itself in mud, and, again, be hidden.

It can be attacked but due to armor, the damage won’t be enough to kill it.

[manic flint]

Minmi has long legs for an ankylosaur

[quiet estuary]

@golden iron The dodge is already an alt thing, if you hold alt then turn your camera right/left you dodge in the direction your camera is facing

[hoary dawn]

just make galli do the kazotsky kick while it runs

[rocky aspen]

@final mango

Your suggestion is unnecessary bc majority of meats that a predator can eat would fill your hunger without effecting your diet.

[rocky aspen]

please

[honest sparrow]

If you don’t want Galli to have machine gun kicks, you are objectively bad

[swift dew]

<@&401466542140817419> its in #general-feedback too

[paper oriole]

This shit again smh

[swift dew]

yes of course, the isle, a dinosaur game, is the best place to put your scam about csgo in

[paper oriole]

Ive been seeing that garbage all over discord in other servers too what's up with it lol

[honest sparrow]

Mann vs machine

[pulsar lake]

Ngl

In a dino game

I'd add Megaraptor

But in The Isle you basically already have it with Baryonyx.

Similar size, similar claws. The designs are pretty close.

If I remember, I did an Australovenator suggestion à long time ago.

[paper oriole]

Australovenator is a good animal

If the isle didnt already have a thing for breaking dinosaur arms his flexible wrists would be pretty unique too

[swift dew]

did sombody say breaking dinosaur wrists

[paper oriole]

jp raptor hurts my soul

[swift dew]

<@&401466542140817419> its back again...

also in #general-feedback

[paper oriole]

This is an actual plague

[pulsar lake]

Tbh, I'd take even larger animals. Like Orkoraptor, Megaraptor or Aerosteon.

Filling the 1.5/2 tons range.

As Australo is as large as Utah.

And no one is as large as Allo.

[tidal frigate]

So why do people not like the idea of a basking feature for spino

[tepid river]

Its less the basking, more the speed or stam boost it would get from it. Spino is a massive animal, its weight and bite force alone are more than enough to demolish smaller creatures easily from how we know of it in legacy. Something that big, and that will have that much attack force, doesn't really need to be given the means to rush down other creatures like that because itll end up with spino being used as a land based ambush hunter. It was a fisher and likely mostly hunted by wading or swimming

Its just not something the spino will need or fit the intended play style for it.

[tidal frigate]

Yeah but if it’s stats are anything like legacy’s stats rexs could easy kill it and he would need the stam boost or the speed boost to get away from them if it’s traveling from on lake to another

[paper oriole]

bro

spino in legacy is strong enoug to kill rex

dondi said rex will clap spino in evrima though, it is supposed to

[tidal frigate]

If your lucky enough or the Rex is bad

[paper oriole]

spino is supposed to be semiaquatic, he can probably hippo walk his fat ass into some river to get away from a rex

he doesnt need good land mobility, i know they made him look like a generic boring land theropod but it is supposed to be near the water

[tidal frigate]

I wish dondi would stop being biased when it comes to Rex

[tepid river]

Spinos in legacy easily can kill a rex due to its high health. Spino isnt meant to be a super fast animal on land, its a semi-aquatic wader. Think less sprinter and more like a giant duck. In the water? sure, it could outspeed a rex almost for sure, but its not meant to be a fast animal or land or have the endurance for it. Water is its niche, and if a spino goes to far from it, it should be punished

[paper oriole]

do you want the jp scene where spino claps rex even though rex is a terrestrial and spino is supposed to eat fish

[tidal frigate]

A little yeah

[tepid river]

That's... not bias to the rex, rex is a land based hunter. Spinosaurus a water one. On land, of course a rex would have the advantage

[tidal frigate]

I just want my fav Dino to stand a chance against trex

[paper oriole]

[tepid river]

[paper oriole]

spino should be able to go on the defensive reliably and escape

[tidal frigate]

Tell me this doesn’t look like a trex killer

[paper oriole]

it doesnt need to be fighting land apexes, despite the fact that they shit on his design and turned him into something that doesnt even deserve to be called spino

[tidal frigate]

You lost me on that last part

I just want to know why people don’t like it’s design

[tepid river]

It doesnt, Peni. Spino has short legs with flat feet, a long narrow face, and teeth for grasping fish. Rex is built to crush and kill large prey like hadrosaurs and trikes. Theyre not meant to be an even matchup, they fit completely different niches

[paper oriole]

it looks like a generic land theropod, its eye is in the wrong skull hole and its face looks like stretched rex, its sail is tiny too

[tidal frigate]

Which would you rather have?

[tepid river]

The bottom.

[paper oriole]

i would rather have

the isle's spino is the definition of boring

same with their utah

[tidal frigate]

Gross

[paper oriole]

i mean if you like jp movie monster ripoffs then good for you, the dev team loves them too

[tepid river]

thats literally tapwing's art.
yknow.
the concept artist for the isle

[paper oriole]

but spino shouldnt be brawling with rex

[tidal frigate]

Rex shouldn’t be clapping spinos left right and center

[paper oriole]

rex should have the advantage

a fight between a rex and a spino of the same skill level should favour the rex a lot

spino will probably be able to escape into the water

[tidal frigate]

And let’s go ahead and make trex have more hp than spino

And faster

And have more stam

[paper oriole]

lol it probably will be faster it's supposed to hunt on land

spino has no need to be an athlete on land

it should be tankier than rex but not as offensively capable

[tepid river]

Nobody's saying spino should get absolutely demolished against rex, but it shouldnt be even either if a spino is on land. It shouldnt get a speed boost just to get away from rexes on land, where spino shouldnt even be.

When spino is implemented, rivers will probably be wider and large enough for spino to hide and swim away from other apexes, like when deino was added. It most likely wont have a reason to be crossing the plains where its likely to encounter a rex

[tidal frigate]

I just hope they buff spinos damage and leave every other stats as it is

[paper oriole]

dont bother paying attention to the stats of a legacy sandbox dino

[tepid river]

If a rex goes for a swim? let it get demolished by spino. If spino is in the fields away from water? It should be at a heavy disadvantage.

[paper oriole]

they will balance spino how they see fit for his niche, but dondi said rex will be the winner in a matchup during one of his streams

[tidal frigate]

But that’s also saying that trex would best spino in water

[limber hull]

Spino probably will end up outspeeding and outstamming other apexes, but specifically in the water. I like the idea of this massive territorial apex that likes to lurk around bodies of water, means you can evade them quite easily.

[paper oriole]

if a spino runs into a rex while in the middle of the forest where he shouldnt be, he should be in trouble

[tidal frigate]

Yeah but it’s claws look like the could tear open a Rex

[limber hull]

T-Rex and Giga seem more like active hunters, whereas Spino seems far more territorial and protective.

[paper oriole]

spino will probably focus on fish, deinos and bullying other animals off kills more than actively hunting land animals like a rex

[tepid river]

That's not enough to make it win in a fight though. Rex was made to crush bones, something that spinosaurus has a lot of thin, fragile, and relatively exposed.

[tidal frigate]

Naw mate that’s rexs job

[limber hull]

wat

[paper oriole]

ah yes it is rex's job to eat fish and deinos

[limber hull]

what are you even talking about lmao

[paper oriole]

are you a scavenger rex supporter

[tidal frigate]

I meant with taking others killes

[tepid river]

He's just trolling at this point cause he's not being agreed with

[paper oriole]

[quiet estuary]

Spino being a jack of all trades apex when it comes what it can traverse through combined with killing the other apexs without issue seems like a piss poor balance idea penitent

[paper oriole]

bullying weaker animals off of kills is something any predator can and should do

rex was fine being an ambush hunter

[tidal frigate]

That was basically rexs thing he scavenged and stole killes using intimidation

[quiet estuary]

Lmao

[paper oriole]

i dont even like rex but damn this is yikes

[limber hull]

Spino should be slow, beefy and designed to lock down territories

[tepid river]

Honestly though id like to see both through diets though. Take a scavenger path and have more ability to find carcasses and digest them if theyre slightly decayed, or the active hunter route.

Either way, rex is a massive animal meant for brawling, its what it does

[quiet estuary]

Rex actively hunted things irl, the notion of scavenger rex is about as accurate as the fact that every carnivore can scavenge and steal kills from other things

But it being a literal giant vulture is not accurate if you think it is penitent

[tepid river]

^

[paper oriole]

the paleontologist behind scavenger rex openly admitted he hates the animal

[limber hull]

Everything scavenged. In the Isle, this behaviour is also there, it's not like Rex went "nah fam that ain't a rotting corpse, can't bite that", it still hunted lmao

[paper oriole]

he constantly shit on rex because he hated it

[tidal frigate]

I was going to show you a screenshot saying it was a scavenger but then I looked at the date and it said 2013

[quiet estuary]

Spino should still be able to beat rex, in the water, if somehow ambushed and if the rex cannot break through its defenses
It should be much more defensive on land as well and not function as legacy theri with swimming

[paper oriole]

was your source form a paleontologist named Horner?

[tidal frigate]

No?

[paper oriole]

who went really hard on rex being a dirty smelly ugly scavenger

[tidal frigate]

Hold on I’ll look

[limber hull]

I'd imagine if the Rex approached a Spino head on to it's territory near the water, the Spino absolutely should win. Rex should really be either aiming for ambushes or aiming to catch things out of their element

[quiet estuary]

It doesnt need to be near water

The rex just needs to approach the animal head on and itll most likely lose

[limber hull]

Fair, I just see Spino as hyper-territorial in gameplay.

[quiet estuary]

I dont see rex winning unless it gets an ambush off as spino would be able to put up a good defense no matter the biome

[tidal frigate]

Don’t know the source just found this

[quiet estuary]

Believing the first thing that appears on google is never a good idea

[paper oriole]

where was that information sourced form though

i wanna know which scientist was behind it

[tidal frigate]

Idk

[quiet estuary]

that looks like some article repeating something that horner or another article said

[limber hull]

"powerful and poisonous bite that can break bones and apparently inject venom"

"didn't use that bite haha he just ate what it found dead on the ground"

[tidal frigate]

Also that “poisonous bite is stupid”

[quiet estuary]

Yea

[paper oriole]

lmao holy shit

venomous rex lesgooooo

[tidal frigate]

No its already broken

[limber hull]

what the fuck, if it had a VENOMOUS BITE why the fuck would it be a scavenger. What evolutionary standpoint gives a scavenger amazing killing power.

[quiet estuary]

I mean, its not that insane if it had rotting meat on its teeth

[tidal frigate]

Bears

[limber hull]

Infectious bite, not venomous in that case

[tepid river]

The thing had one of the highest bite forces in any creature to ever evolve, no need for venom. Rex also isnt a bear??? Are you high

[paper oriole]

that would be fucking hilarious if rex had high fracture and venom lmao so busted

[limber hull]

Also bears are def not scavengers like vultures, they also actually hunt for food

[quiet estuary]

Yes but a random article would convey it as poisonous as they generally dont know the better termonology wave

Vultures hunt for prey so acting like they are pure scavengers is also idiotic

Only thing I would call pure scavengers are some deep sea fish, such as hagfish

[tidal frigate]

They sometimes scavenge off of wolf killes

[quiet estuary]

Bears also hunt prey

[limber hull]

Yes, most carnivores do that

[tidal frigate]

This was my source

[quiet estuary]

Many carnivores both hunt and scavenge, this would likely apply to dinosaurs as well

[limber hull]

There's no such thing as "animal courtesy". If you want a meal and you know you can get it, you will.

It does not make the animal a scavenger, it makes it smart.

[tepid river]

All large carnivores to some extent scavenge. Bears are a good example of opportunistic omnivores- the majority of their diet is actually plants and berries, however they will push other carnivores like big cats and wolves off their prey, fish, and hunt. They basically eat everything. Just because something does from time to time scavenge though, doesnt mean theyd lose in a fight to something else.

[quiet estuary]

^

[paper oriole]

i found the article about uhh poisonous scavenger rex and it sited horner

i fucking knew it

[tidal frigate]

Lmao

[tepid river]

horner is godawful, you may as well source a volcanologist

cause a volcanologist would know just as much

[paper oriole]

Horner openly stated that he hated rex so no wonder he constantly dunks on it

i hate rex too but i know the bastard was busted af irl

[tidal frigate]

I do too but I try and make my opinion at least a little factual

[quiet estuary]

Facial armor
silent footsteps
insane biteforce
insane smell and eyesight
etc

[limber hull]

horner is behind it all

[tidal frigate]

And let’s give him wings to

[paper oriole]

no doubt rex did take opportunities to steal kills, but it deinitely hunted

just like most predators nowadays

[limber hull]

Not to mention the largest brain cavity meaning it was likely one of the smartest animals

lmao

[paper oriole]

a lot of people think hyenas and wild dogs just steal kills too but they hunt a good percentage of their own kills quite effectively

[barren zephyr]

Smh. Of course that bone crushing biteforce was useless! Rex only scavenged!1!1!

[limber hull]

God himself thought the T-Rex was cool so he just spent his time buffing it

[swift dew]

allosaurus was 300 tons, here is my source
https://theropods.fandom.com/wiki/Allosaurus

[quiet estuary]

lmao

[tidal frigate]

What do you guys think about a slap attack? Mixed with its bite it could make a deadly combo and make it at least able to defend itself

[limber hull]

WAIT WHAT

[tepid river]

ill admit i love rex but goddamn, it was a real animal, not some suped up evil dragon and the same goes for the rest of the creatures in the isle
spino isnt going to be a sprinter cause it sits in the sun for a little bit and its not going to be buffed to hell and go against all of its biology just because you think it was cooler

[quiet estuary]

60-70 ton allo

[limber hull]

Ah, of course, the accurate allosaurus, literally Godzilla

[paper oriole]

90 feet tall 360 feet long

[tidal frigate]

All I wanted was it’s damage buffed so it didn’t get destroyed but rexs

[swift dew]

you mean 300 ton allo

[barren zephyr]

800 ton Allo

[tidal frigate]

Also lizards do that all the time my lizard does that

[tepid river]

Hate to break it to ya champ, but spinosaurus isnt a lizard

[quiet estuary]

Just because reptiles bask doesnt mean that mechanically it is a good idea and should be added

[tepid river]

What an animal under 5 pounds does to escape a predator does not correlate to what a several ton animal will do

[tidal frigate]

I mean it had a sail what would it be used for if it didn’t use as a solar panels and intimidation nothing it would be useless

[swift dew]

dinosaurs being warm blooded moment

[barren zephyr]

it used its sail to navigate properly in the water

It’s such a huge animal it needs that

[tidal frigate]

That’s what it’s bulky as frick tail for

[tepid river]

Do ya want a legit answer or a 'mechanically in the isle' answer

[quiet estuary]

it could turn its sail and use the wind to propell it foward

[tidal frigate]

Both

[barren zephyr]

Spinosaurus is a airplane

[quiet estuary]

Its sail splits and it flaps them

[tidal frigate]

I would love that

[quiet estuary]

lmao

[swift dew]

[tepid river]

aight gimme a minute to type then, itll probably be long

[paper oriole]

isle spino's sail is sad and tiny, shrivel sail

it would do jack shit

[barren zephyr]

Jp oc ripoff moment

[quiet estuary]

what

[paper oriole]

generic movie monster spino moment

[tidal frigate]

Kissens new model has a much bigger sail

[paper oriole]

where is kissen's new model

[barren zephyr]

vanished

[paper oriole]

gone, reduced to atoms

isle spino is all sorts of fucked

[tidal frigate]

Tell me does it look like the jp3 model in any way?

[quiet estuary]

No

[barren zephyr]

kinda yeah

[quiet estuary]

But

[tidal frigate]

How

[quiet estuary]

they both do the early 2000s spino body shape

[paper oriole]

that moment when jp spino has a better face

[tidal frigate]

It doesn’t

[swift dew]

tbh I hate the jp spino so much I think our spino has a better face

[barren zephyr]

It does

[paper oriole]

isle spino's eye is in the wrong socket

[tidal frigate]

What?

[barren zephyr]

Didn’t they literally extend a rex face on the spinos head and called it a day?

[tidal frigate]

It’s in the exact same place as the jp spino does

[quiet estuary]

Yes and no fat

[icy lion]

heres one of the newest renders we have

[swift dew]

im not a paleo nerd so I didn't know that so I doesn't bother me

[quiet estuary]

The top half is has a similarity to the sub rex head, but everythign else is different

[tidal frigate]

No they didn’t

[paper oriole]

its brows really make it look rex like

and the fatness of its head

[barren zephyr]

Yeah they definitely used the sub rex head and extended the jaw line lol

the spine and head need changed

[quiet estuary]

If you look at the top jaw penitent the back half uses the sub rex head
They most likely did edit an existing model to make the spino, that is how they make a few models in the isle

Like how acro was made from allo iirc

[feral solstice]

Sub Rex

[barren zephyr]

thanks for backing that up Rick

[feral solstice]

Anytime

[vale pawn]

I SEEE IT

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[swift dew]

and I can't unsee it

[feral solstice]

[barren zephyr]

God it’s horrifying

[vale pawn]

[paper oriole]

they should rename it to spinorex just like they should rename utah to novaraptor or apolloraptor

[quiet estuary]

Please no

[barren zephyr]

Please yes

[quiet estuary]

Novaraptor is such an edgy name

Its cursed

[paper oriole]

neither animal deserves their name

[tepid river]

IRL, Spinosaurus' sail was most likely just a display structure. Evolution is weird and doesnt have any end goal beyond 'this creature lives to reproduce'. Evolution's motto is 'good enough to survive'. Even things that are actively a detriment to an animal, like a peacock's tail or those boar that their tusks grow into their skulls still succeed in evolution's eyes because theyre chosen to get mates and reproduce. Doesnt matter if it makes it harder to escape predators or eventually kills it, reproduction is the goal. So the sail IRL? Probably was colorful to choose a mate, or for identifying members of the same species. Different spinosaur species likely varied in shape and size on the sail.

As for in the isle, I cant think of anything mechanically the sail would be good for. Its essentially just skin and bone, so its not a good for defense, spino has no need for a speed boost mechanic, and if anything, it would be a massive detriment in combat. With fractures, getting the spines broken would be a good way to get massive fractures that cripple you as the player and lead to an even quicker death. It could be used for more surface area to get more bleed on spino players, but theres no mechanics the isle could put in without completely trashing all balance around the spino to make it good for the spino player

[barren zephyr]

primal carnage

[quiet estuary]

Also cursed

[swift dew]

so is tyrannosaurus rex but oh well

[paper oriole]

arent the PC and TI universed crossed over

[quiet estuary]

Sadly

[paper oriole]

since apollo took over, it can be apolloraptor

for apollo engineering

[quiet estuary]

And the magna rex is made to look like the PC rex

I wouldnt mind if the magnas all looked like the primal carnage counterparts

But idk if Dondi has the rights to do such a thing

[swift dew]

pretty sure he does

[limber hull]

magnas are kinda lame imo. Feels like a more boring version of Hypos. Hypo, Thilisso and Neuro all feel more specialised and cool than Magna

[quiet estuary]

For every PC animal?

[tepid river]

I'd honestly really like it if they made the isle's utah into a completely different thing, its just too far from what utahraptor actually was to be called it IMO.

the broken wrists man, they kill me

[paper oriole]

if it was renamed to match its fictional design, it would be about half as sinful as it currently is

[swift dew]

well... if you put it that way, idk

[paper oriole]

still pretty bad, but at least not trying to pass itself off as a real animal

[quiet estuary]

The only real issue I have with Utah is the terrible texture it has atm
That and its subpar unoriginal calls

[swift dew]

our utah is more like a dakotaraptor, alot more lightly built than an actual utahraptor

[quiet estuary]

dakotaraptor lmao

[barren zephyr]

Saurian

[quiet estuary]

The raptor whos made with turtle and oviraptorid bits

[paper oriole]

anky, spino, utah and any other highly fictionalized dino should at least have its species name changed, if not its genus name as well

[tepid river]

at least apollo isnt here trying to pass that utah off as a velo

[limber hull]

keep troodon as troodon since that's already a fictional dino

[tepid river]

utahraptor apollocenisus

[paper oriole]

would be better than nothing lol

i kind of like apolloraptor though even though its janky sounding cough cough just me though

[quiet estuary]

I dont see why it matters that much personally, especially when we will be getting options for more accurate versions of some of these "problem" dinosaurs in the future

[paper oriole]

we'll be getting feather variants, but do we know if it will fix the wrists and stuff on utah? plus that leaves spino and anky who will probably still only have their butchered anatomies

[tepid river]

At the very least, they had said there would be mod support in the future. If i gotta fix em myself ill straight up learn blender to do it

[quiet estuary]

Anky has always been the problem child with this game
Spino I personally dont mind the model because at least its somewhat accurate to a previous incarnation of spino, combined with the possibility of options of bigger sails or something
Feather options will have to change the models a bit to not clip with certian animations

[paper oriole]

i hope some hero makes tapwing's spino a mod so i can use it instead of the ugly abomination we have in base game

[tepid river]

waiting for mod support to do skins tbfh
picking your colors is great, but lemme have some pattern variation

[quiet estuary]

The customization tab literally says they will do that

[tepid river]

no no i mean full on entirely custom skins

[swift dew]

different pattern moment

[quiet estuary]

By entirely custom do you mean like ark painting

[tepid river]

no i mean when mod support is out, im going to make skins like base game one into separate options, just ones ive made.
these are old and desperately need to be redone but a few i did for rex. ones for dibble, utah, and para in the works

just gotta wait for mods to happen and learn the program for making them

[paper oriole]

if we could paint skins you know where would be people with dicks drawn on their dinos and whatnot, something more like moving a pattern around to randomize it would be less abusable by weirdos

there was an in development game that had a system like this, forgot the name though, might have been draconia

[karmic plank]

I want a glowing nuclear green, purple, and black trike, and I won't be denied

[paper oriole]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUCDgICtzhE

think it was this video of the skin system

where you could take patterns and make real specific changes on them for variation. this would be hot

[hoary dawn]

not you too

[barren zephyr]

hi

[karmic plank]

Wow, that's pretty out there

[barren zephyr]

I completely forgot about that game

[karmic plank]

I wonder how many people will opt for bright and interesting colours vs tactical camoflauge

[paper oriole]

if it doesnt somehow cause server lag it would be so nice to be able to have similar patterns with unique distributions and details though

neon and overly bright colours shouldnt be a thing though, at least not on officials

no barney rexes and bananaraptors

[barren zephyr]

This reminds me of a game

[paper oriole]

some dinos have an excuse to have some bright colours available but most nah

[karmic plank]

Would kind of ruin the immersion

I like the idea of giving small herbivores all the brightest and coolest colours and patterns, help encourage people to play them

[paper oriole]

natural shades of red, purple, blue for details would be much better than the gross disco dye BoB colouration

accents of natural less saturated colours would be great

[hoary dawn]

its amazing how accurately you can recreate barney in beasts of bermuda

[barren zephyr]

we could indeed have natural shades of blue and maybe even pink. but it shouldn’t be so bright where another dinosaur can see you across the map

[paper oriole]

yeah BoB skins are so

[barren zephyr]

having colors too bright would break immersion

A mix of natural browns and shades of pine green or ocean like blue would be nice

[karmic plank]

The small feathered dinos should be able to parrot it up 🦜

[paper oriole]

something like where their back fades to blue or they have some good reddening on their neck, not the whole body looking like they fell in a vat of paint

[barren zephyr]

Don’t need to see a giant banana rex charging after you, I would just rather. Just…not

[paper oriole]

stuff like hypsi, troodon and ovi would look less ridiculous with some crisp reds and other brighter colours speckled on them, as an option

i remember the smooth no variation human skin rexes in legacy

[karmic plank]

Oh man, now I'm just waiting for some bored herbi herd to hold a fashion show

Ms Universe (Hypsi)

[limber hull]

Hypsi should be allowed to go full parrot 100%

[barren zephyr]

Parrot colored brachi

[paper oriole]

hypsi and ovi look designed for that fashion shit

i coudl see troodon sporting some wacky shit, maybe even velo having colourful crest options, but not like a red and yellow allo

[karmic plank]

Feathers can hit every colour, skin tones are pretty much physically limited to browns reds and greens

[paper oriole]

colourful crest options for male ceratopsians on their frills would make some sense too

[karmic plank]

Ooo that's a good idea

Same for stego

[barren zephyr]

Bright shades of purple would look amazing on trikes frill

[paper oriole]

if male stegos could have cool plates it would make sense

the large mean animals who dont really hide to begin with would be fine with bright male details

just not all over their body or something

[karmic plank]

I'm torn between agreeing because I want The Isle to stay a mature, serious sort of game and wanting people to all be instantly recognisable

[paper oriole]

probably an unpopular opinion that nasty bright colours should be a toggleable option for unofficial servers but some people like that. it's sort of the global chat situation with skins

i personally wouldnt care though a lot of people have strong opinions on it

[barren zephyr]

Most people like over the top bright skins though so it’s very plausible

Obviously the BoB community enjoys them

[paper oriole]

even if things like global chat and unrestricted skin customization like crest colours and all dino colours being available in all skin settings was only available in sandbox, or the skins being able to be injected in normal servers but not created... actually the last one would probably encourage the buy-a-dino bullshit so probably drop that

[limber hull]

i hate BoB because of how fucking ugly the game looks, the skins are a big part of that

[swift dew]

@fickle jacinth we already have a jaw pop for deino (though it does sound more like a car door closing)

[paper oriole]

i think global and nasty neons should be an option in sandbox though, sandbox is a clusterfuck of a game setting anyway

[limber hull]

EVRIMA is nice because, even with the stupid JP raptor, it still has acceptable designs when it comes to making them look like actual animals

They don't glow in the fucking dark

[honest sparrow]

About that

[paper oriole]

neon glowing skeleton skin rexes in the isle

wasnt that actually an old mod skin

[barren zephyr]

We need neon pteras that glow in the dark obviously

[honest sparrow]

Yeah there were a lot of bioluminescent mods

[limber hull]

Spino looks cool. I know it isn't at all accurate, in the least, but I really like the "smile" it has. Kinda wish the sail was more pronounced tho

[karmic plank]

Bioluminescent pteras you say?

[honest sparrow]

Acro should take from its bob counterpart and have bigass neon stripes

[junior crow]

these are really nice btw!

[swift dew]

well then say that instead of just saying "please..."

[paper oriole]

our deino jaw pop sounds like somebody slamming a car door lol, not bad though honestly

[limber hull]

I'm a tad confused how they plan to address strains at this juncture. Especially since strains still seem massively carnivore sided, I really think some herbi strains would need to exist too to balance it out.

[karmic plank]

What if the AI fish were bioluminescent, and if crocs ate too many they glowed underwater...

[paper oriole]

i hope more large predators get a jaw pop

like rex especially

[barren zephyr]

[paper oriole]

the utah bite though, it sounds fucking awful

it's like "nwom UWU"

[barren zephyr]

Suffer

[paper oriole]

why do they gotta make that noise when they bite, like dear god why

[karmic plank]

The apex roars need more bass too

Like I got a big expensive sound system and they just sound ewww

Nothing like any monster movie has

[paper oriole]

the apex roars up close should be like that time a herd of paras surrounded my spino in the swamp and all 3 called at the same time

bastards turned my sound to static it was hilarious

[karmic plank]

I want to feel the desk vibrate when deinos start mouthing off

Baby carnos are especially pathetic lol

They sound like goats

[paper oriole]

i liked the baby carno sounds better in legacy, their 4 call was perfection

[limber hull]

I kinda like how pathetic the carno sounds are, little goblins

[karmic plank]

Baby utahs are adorable and you can't change my mind

[limber hull]

The best 4 call is 100% the dryo's. It's so fucking stupid and the anim makes it so much better

[karmic plank]

Little squeeky toys

[barren zephyr]

Yeah I’m kinda disappointed with the evrima carno calls

[paper oriole]

baby utahs are priority kos

[barren zephyr]

Dryo is the baby utah butcher

[feral solstice]

Actually the current jaw pop sound is accurate

[swift dew]

fr, I hate how brave they are now

[paper oriole]

baby carnos may be able to convince me to spare them even in evrima, but the raptors gotta die

[limber hull]

I fucking love baby utahs because they are so dedicated. They will pounce everything, regardless of how big

[feral solstice]

Crocodiles and Alligators normally sound like a car door when their jaw pops.

[karmic plank]

I was on a big carno group the other day and we had a baby Utah mascot, we named it Idaho and it was our pet

[barren zephyr]

Did you eat him afterwards

[karmic plank]

He did end getting et, lol

Had too many random carnos join

[paper oriole]

good

[barren zephyr]

I am currently growing a dryo to show those overconfident baby utahs who’s boss

[karmic plank]

Haha hunting baby utahs and carnos as a dryo is pretty fun

Especially when you can bait them pretending to be AI

[barren zephyr]

Yes

That’s amazing

[karmic plank]

I wonder if the diet system will support occasional meaty snacks for herbivores to offset poor quality food - current day herbivores are known to eat birds and rabbits on occasion

We had a horse growing up who would actively hunt and eat rabbits

I've heard of them eating baby chickens on occasion, too

[warm flame]

I've heard of cows horses deers etc eating smaller animals who are convenient like squirrels and stuff right next to them but never actively HUNTING them

[karmic plank]

Yeah, she'd chase them and stomp on them, idk either

Stopped when she got older and had a salt lick, maybe related

[warm flame]

how old was she when she'd hunt them? if she was like a juvenile or something she probably'd chase them because she was a baby, had more energy

[karmic plank]

From about a year old I think, I was only a kid

Stopped at maybe 3 or 4?

[warm flame]

yeah that's probably why, she was young so had the energy to chase them

[karmic plank]

I think them chasing and killing things is not so rare, they do it to snakes too I believe, but actually eating bits was pretty weird

[warm flame]

killing snakes is probably because it's a potential threat

[karmic plank]

Had a family member who had a horse that really hated dogs too, would try and stomp or kick any that came close

[warm flame]

eating them gives protein but they don't normally hunt them because they aren't hungry but if they're in grazing range and they feel like they need it they won't hesitate, but actively hunting is still weird to me

[karmic plank]

She'd also chew on gate posts... Was a weird one in many respects

Anyway little protein snacks for hungry herbis, maybe

Give tenos something to do with all their aggression

[warm flame]

you're a carno stalking a hypsi, you think the stego grazing is guarding the hypsi, but then the hypsi steps a little too close and gets instantly eaten

[karmic plank]

lol if you are a carno hunting a hypsi it's probably already time to question your life choices

But yeah would be funny

[warm flame]

could be a juvi or smt, or just boredom

[karmic plank]

I was in a carno group that spent a good 5 minutes trying to catch a dryo, I get that

[warm flame]

hence why I play as solo carno

[karmic plank]

Spicy... Ever get issues with Utah?

[warm flame]

the utahs are the ones who get issues with me

[barren zephyr]

Utah experience….

[karmic plank]

Man if I was playing Utah and saw a solo carno I'd have trouble saying no

Easy bait

[warm flame]

as much as I hate on utahs, the fact a carno can decimate entire packs with absolute ease doesn't make a lot of sense, but hey I'm not complaining makes my life easier

[barren zephyr]

Well, utah players make it easier too tbh

I was playing utah and I uh.

had this packmate…

[warm flame]

I found a utah pack with 9 members, one the first fight I nearly killed them all, there ended up being 4 rounds most of which they were running away, the only reason I died was because I got pinged off a slope, and didn't heal enough before going back to them, I got too cocky

I ended up killing 6 of them

[barren zephyr]

Pinged

[warm flame]

yes ping

teleported

assaulted by the dondi god

[barren zephyr]

I fought a pack of 10-11 raptors once as carno

They weren’t too great though

they were making lethal mistakes

[karmic plank]

Did they go in one at a time like a bad action movie?

[barren zephyr]

no

they all came in all at once and accidentally pounced each other and missing pounces

Xd

free kills right there

[warm flame]

well, their first bad choice was chasing me into deep forests, their second one was pouncing a carno who knows to buck

[karmic plank]

[barren zephyr]

I think one literally pounced into a tree

[warm flame]

also on the first round I wasn't even fully grown, I was like 85% I think

[karmic plank]

Feelsbad, Utah should own the forest

[warm flame]

what I did was I ran into a forest, hid at the edge in a deep bush, and when one got close I ambushed

[karmic plank]

But yeah pounce is a trap for new ayers

[barren zephyr]

Cash money scam

[karmic plank]

[warm flame]

scam money

[barren zephyr]

My dryo almost died today

[warm flame]

what happened

[barren zephyr]

I saw a sub utah

And I really wanted to kill it

[honest sparrow]

Lmao imagine not dying in horrible ways every time you play something

You ran straight at it didn’t you

[barren zephyr]

but I didn’t know there was like 5 utahs behind it

[honest sparrow]

Yeah that seems about right

Did you hold w and shift

[barren zephyr]

so I desperately tried to kill the sub before the other adults got me

[karmic plank]

Did they all uwu bite your tail

[barren zephyr]

yeah they bit me like 3 times

I REALLY wanted that sub though

[warm flame]

damn that sucks, I know the feeling

[honest sparrow]

That happened to me the other day, I was fucking owning a sub 1 on 1, and then his friends chased me across the map

[warm flame]

once in legacy I killed an afk full grown utah as dryo and killed a fresh adult in an epic battle shortly after

[barren zephyr]

Utahs are never alone

[barren zephyr]

[honest sparrow]

I know, I still did it anyway

[karmic plank]

I really want to get a dryo militia together sometime and go on a rampage

[barren zephyr]

A ptera also tried to kill me, but I jumped and took it down from the air and just murdered it

[honest sparrow]

Dryo like 2 or 3 shots Ptera

[barren zephyr]

Dryos are just fun

[karmic plank]

@vestal bay has a video somewhere of killing a deino with a dryo

[barren zephyr]

Is that even possible

[honest sparrow]

How big of a deino was it

[vestal bay]

100% deino

[honest sparrow]

Bruh wtf

[warm flame]

also when I was fighting the utahs in round 1 with my carno, I didn't really feel like fighting so after I killed one I tried leaving, but they didn't take the hint so instead of just losing one they lost six

[barren zephyr]

[honest sparrow]

Did it alt bite

[vestal bay]

Its called being poggers

yes

[barren zephyr]

Hypsi shrug

[vestal bay]

It was fighting back

[honest sparrow]

What the actual fuck

[karmic plank]

Friendly damage is the real winner here

[warm flame]

TI_HypsiShrug

[vestal bay]

It was weakened by an encounter with a stego

and it was on land

so I finished it off by zipping past it biting its head over and over

Then it killed a baby and got it in its mouth

so I got a bunch of free hits

[honest sparrow]

Yeah if you run into utahs you can usually just blitz them for some reason

[karmic plank]

Dryo new apex, heard it here folks

[barren zephyr]

I still need to see a hypsi killing a 100% deino

[warm flame]

as a carno, I fear nothing... but dryos...

[honest sparrow]

Dryo could probably kill carno if it was taller

[warm flame]

I've heard of dryos killing carnos

[karmic plank]

TF2 meme: I fear no Dino... But that thing terrifies me

[barren zephyr]

If dryo was the size of a rex, even apexes would fear it

[honest sparrow]

It’s not impossible given Dryo’s far superior stam and agility

[warm flame]

the thought of the shame of me losing a full grown carno to a dryo terrifies me

[barren zephyr]

Dryos are just better sub utahs

[honest sparrow]

^

[barren zephyr]

^

[warm flame]

down

[honest sparrow]

Unless of course it pins you via hitting the very tip of your tail

[karmic plank]

V

[honest sparrow]

Then it’s dumb

[barren zephyr]

just grow a dryo instead of a Utah

[warm flame]

it's so weird when you get pounced and you're so far from it

[karmic plank]

I just want to be airdropped into combat, as a dryo, by a quetz

Is that so much to ask

[warm flame]

I don't like utah personally, it feels so weak, even dryo feels more powerful

[honest sparrow]

Weird hit box + pounce slot + server issues= cringe

[barren zephyr]

I wouldn’t be surprised if a dryo could mess up a quetz

[warm flame]

a few days ago I was fighting 4 deinos as a single dryo

[honest sparrow]

Lmao paratroopers

[barren zephyr]

Dryo is more powerful xdd

it’s faster and can juke everything

[honest sparrow]

Dryo controls every engagement

[warm flame]

dying as a dryo makes you weak

[barren zephyr]

along with amazing stamina and a decent biteforce

[honest sparrow]

Everything is at its fingertips

[karmic plank]

Give dryo a utah pounce

[barren zephyr]

Honestly dryo would do a better job at pouncing

[honest sparrow]

Better Utah

[karmic plank]

And it doesn't have to stop to eat. Just reeeee and run after the next kill

[warm flame]

return of carni dryo

[barren zephyr]

Now I really want to go back and play dryo again

[honest sparrow]

We really need to actually play sometime

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[karmic plank]

Dryo/ptera mixpack for ultimate hit and run

[warm flame]

dryo carno mixpack

[barren zephyr]

No kill mixpacking

I’ll murder all of those pteras

[warm flame]

if I saw a player dryo I'd ignore it and use it as bait for utahs

[barren zephyr]

Secret mixpacking

[karmic plank]

Thems the real big brain plays

[honest sparrow]

What if the Dryo doesn’t ignore you

[barren zephyr]

The dryo would murder you

[warm flame]

then I hope he doesn't notice me

which is pretty hard

[barren zephyr]

new mechanic, strangling

[karmic plank]

[barren zephyr]

The dryo uses its human like hands to choke out carnos and utahs

[warm flame]

dryo putting carnos in a choke hold

[barren zephyr]

It would too

[warm flame]

the carno juvis would think twice

[honest sparrow]

Juvi carnos are fodder anyway

Dryo out speeds em, out jukes em, out stams em, has a jump, swims better, etc

[warm flame]

people can hate me all they want, but I'm a cannibal carno

[barren zephyr]

Dryo is literally the best creature atm

[warm flame]

^

[barren zephyr]

it’s survivability is unmatched

[warm flame]

the only you die as a dryo, is if you don't think about what you're doing

[honest sparrow]

Or if you’re a suicidal maniac like me

[karmic plank]

So a normal one?

[barren zephyr]

I usually go in and try to fight two adult utahs at once

Because I’m mentally deranged

doesn’t even matter because it’s growth is so short

Just grow another one

[warm flame]

I haven't met a cannibal adult carno before, only juvis, I mean I ambush other adults to kill them, but if they're in a group my cowardly ass hides in a bush and stares at them

[vestal bay]

AFK growing deino virgins VS chad grow another Dryo

[barren zephyr]

^

[honest sparrow]

You can grow 10 Dryo’s in the time it takes for 1 deino

[karmic plank]

My first ever carno died because I tried to seek safety in an adult group and it ate me

[honest sparrow]

What are you doing?

[barren zephyr]

Why afk for something that’s just going to die by cannibals rather than playing chad ptera or dryo

[honest sparrow]

Grow Dryo today

[warm flame]

hence why I don't group with others unless they're smaller than me

[honest sparrow]

Grouping with people you don’t know

[barren zephyr]

30 minutes > 300 minutes

[warm flame]

eating people you don't know

[karmic plank]

Yeah and baby dryo still fun to run around with

[barren zephyr]

Dryo needs a speed nerf and a dodge buff

[karmic plank]

Not like hide in bush carno

[barren zephyr]

The dodge is pretty situational

[honest sparrow]

I can plop down as baby Dryo, watch an episode of tv, grab some food and water, and just go on a rampage

[vestal bay]

If you use your stamina properly you can actually grow to full before you run out of stam.

[warm flame]

my one problem with carno, when growing it you can't have fun or you die, hopefully this changes with diets

[honest sparrow]

Dryo stam is stupid good

[barren zephyr]

I think you only need to eat and drink once before your dryo is full adult

[warm flame]

you don't have to do either at all

[barren zephyr]

Also it has insane stam regen

[honest sparrow]

You grow in such little time you don’t need to eat before full grown

Which is stupid

But fun

[karmic plank]

Carno more likely to be a scavenger when little I feel

[vestal bay]

You dont have to do either

[warm flame]

it is, but when I get to half grown I mess with deinos, I haven't died to it yet

then when I get big first thing I do is look for a utah pack to make their life hell

[vestal bay]

Thats the same with all Apex's or large carni's though

You're basically just free food until you reach at least 80-90%

[karmic plank]

I hate that a bit, I feel like you should just be changing your diet choices as you get bigger

[warm flame]

yeah, but you shouldn't just hide in a bush in that time, hence why I'm hyped for diets

give me a reason to leave my safety bush

[karmic plank]

Diets on their own won't change what you can hunt, probably just force you to grow in a family or something

[warm flame]

no, it'll let you grow faster, a 5 hour deino can take 3 hours to grow

if you follow your diet like a good boy, your life is easier

[karmic plank]

Oh right, interesting

How does that work for ptera I wonder

Few people are like me and try to avoid fishing

[warm flame]

and also it'll make hunting require more strategy, let's say you're a carno, your current diet need is tenontosaurus, teno's dietary meal is in the swamp, so you go to the swamp, even if there aren't any tenos there, there's likely going to be other dinos there looking for tenos like utahs, something else you can eat

[karmic plank]

Meanwhile in river 🐟🍴🐊

[warm flame]

I think deino's diet should be like this:
as a baby it mostly eats fish, but if it kills a land animal it's given great reward, but as it gets bigger the fish is taken out of its diet and no longer benefits them, but it doesn't negatively effect them either, just mutually effect, this makes the deino want to start hunting larger prey

[vestal bay]

Im going to go fuck yourself

[warm flame]

we're*

[karmic plank]

Land food just is isn't reliable for deinos atm

[odd sedge]

And also no punishment for eating other deinos is likely going to happen

[warm flame]

yeah

[upper summit]

@stark dust legacy utah animations were awful

so were stegos

so were carnos

[warm flame]

carno's were fine, the rest no

[barren zephyr]

tbh instead of focusing on the map and stuff they should be focusing on more dinos because the dinos rn are just getting boring imo

[pulsar lake]

Tf

using mammal anatomy for archosaur

[barren zephyr]

Is the dibble gonna come to evrima?

[paper oriole]

Every previous dino minus pue has an overwhelmingly likely chance to make it to evrima, including dibble who was in evrima concept art

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/837093188723540038/2021_Env_Concept_Nesting_Grounds_Aerial_02.png

[tender latch]

Before I saw that concept art, I actually thought Maia was scrapped lol

[pulsar lake]

Why would Maia be scrapped?

[tender latch]

Idk why I thought it was scrapped, maybe it was my pessimism

[vale pawn]

[hoary dawn]

"kill for free"

as opposed to paying

[barren zephyr]

I wonder if they're gonna redo the calls for all the dinos that are come from legacy to evrima

[hoary dawn]

i'd assume most of them would just get touch ups if not completely redone, like with the legacy dinos currently in evrima

[barren zephyr]

The dibble calls were always cute in my opinion

[hoary dawn]

legacy did have some really good sound design for the dinos

[honest sparrow]

Lmao me committing kill tax evasion

[hybrid matrix]

Excuse me

[sudden hinge]

@haughty citrus diets will help with that

[hoary dawn]

cannibalism is just something that will become less and less common as more playables are added

[sudden hinge]

That and with diets you can’t benefit from eating your own unless your deino or cera

[hoary dawn]

precisely

[honest sparrow]

Uh I can explain

[swift dew]

I would like to see carno be able to cannibalize

[sudden hinge]

I would eventually but not atm I think diets alone will make carno start playing solo more often just because there won’t be enough food for a big pack

[haughty citrus]

I know but that doesn't stop them from killing you for fun without eating you. A tremor mechanic post kill stackable will be devastating.

[honest sparrow]

Tremor mechanic?

[haughty citrus]

For example, for each dino of your species that you kill, your dino has fewer statistics, the debuff increases with each death and even more if it is a baby.

[severe idol]

Straight stat debuffs for eating in those cases of necessity sounds like a real problem.

[honest sparrow]

So let’s say I kill 1 member of my own species because I’m close to starvation, I eat that guy, and then a small pack of cannibals comes around and tries to eat me, assuming I somehow magically win that fight, I am now insanely weak because J defended myself

[severe idol]

Starving active, can't find anything else. Get the weakest link.

[haughty citrus]

if you are close to starvation doesnt count, like 10% or 15% ia doesnt count for debuffs

[hoary dawn]

cannibalism shouldn't have any downsides more than not being good for your diet

[severe idol]

Being screwed over for having to react in necessity is extremely punishing.

[honest sparrow]

That still doesn’t fix the problem of defending yourself, and becoming gradually weaker the more you kill those guys

[severe idol]

That's easily abused and exploited then.

Wait for it to run down, kill everyone you can, eat when everyone's dead. It just gives a dedicated window of time that you can cannibalize for free.

[haughty citrus]

true, is so difficult.

[hoary dawn]

if you eat your own as something that isn't "supposed" to, then make it so your dietary progress gets set back a bit so you have to catch up by eating your preferred food

[severe idol]

Or worse. Two people both in the Starving range join a group. Even if you can't eat your tagged kills because cannibalism, you can eat someone else's. It solves no problems.

If you can't eat your own species at all, you've severely fucked over scavengers who rely on leftover corpses from other packs (a big portion of the community).

[hoary dawn]

I always kill my own

[honest sparrow]

doesn’t matter if I’m hungry

[severe idol]

SaoulZod #TeamFoszor

[swift dew]

lmfao

[vale pawn]

[barren zephyr]

[honest sparrow]

Bloody brilliant

[lofty pagoda]

amazing

[orchid spruce]

Rxsles

[barren zephyr]

No way

[vale pawn]

Benji i guess

[barren zephyr]

how

[sudden hinge]

That should happen competition between the same species happens all the time

[outer condor]

This is not real

[swift dew]

the actual thing is right above it

#general-feedback-discussion message

[outer condor]

[warm flame]

@golden iron I know the feeling... I know the feeling...

[swift dew]

@toxic vortex deino can 1v1 anything and your only threatened by multiple stegos, or a BIG pack of carnos or utahs, or other deinos. so crossing the shallows shouldn't be an issue

[warm flame]

just run across the shallows, god speed

[toxic vortex]

XD it still so painfully slow tho

[golden iron]

even at shallows when i know a deino cant jump me T_T

[warm flame]

I've started getting used to it but when I'm not paying attention and I heard the "SPLASHHHH" I stop drinking and run

[golden iron]

yea same

i dont understand why its so unnecessarily loud

[warm flame]

because dondi said "bad carno get scare"

[vale pawn]

bruh even when i drink at shallows the random splash still gets to me

[barren zephyr]

Why is it so loud

I feel like it was intentional

[toxic flame]

@livid gale now im not exactly sure if isles plant life is going ot be based off the plant life back then or not but baobab trees did not exist in the time of the dinos im pretty sure although im not sure what the isle is doing with plant life

[urban flax]

The Isle is not going for extinct plant life

There already is grass in the game

[hoary dawn]

it takes place in human times so i wouldn't expect prehistoric plantlife unless its in a biodome or around research facilities

[vale pawn]

🧀

[barren zephyr]

Guys what is the tacos full name from legacy?

[vale pawn]

Psittacosaurus

[barren zephyr]

Thank you

[vale pawn]

[craggy charm]

tmw I accidentally type in feedback xD

[hallow vigil]

no offense to anyone that liked it, but please never ever let players turn off variation completely for their skins again, thanks

that was atrocious

[sudden hinge]

@barren zephyr there will be a debuff but being killed by your own species will still happen and isn’t that bad it happens in nature all the time

[barren zephyr]

gud gud. i still think they really need to do something about the chinese canibals

[manic flint]

Play as a herbi, they can't eat u :)))

[barren zephyr]

its honastly desgusting the tactics they use

[manic flint]

You mean the hacking?

[barren zephyr]

Used a dryo and got killed by a stego 😐

[barren zephyr]

both yea

[manic flint]

Stegos are wild cards me too lol

Stick to your own kind ig

[barren zephyr]

stegos and tenos r not very nice

[manic flint]

The only fun Dino for me is teno

[barren zephyr]

cringe

i like carno bc BONK

i think id like the anky and pachy

[manic flint]

Cause stupid carnos run into my tail and they die
And good carnos are fun to fight

I wanna play pachy tho
Kentro too

[barren zephyr]

real, i once ran up behind a teno and got tail slammed to death

[manic flint]

4 headshots kill

[barren zephyr]

i now understand that i can ram them and they r basically done

[manic flint]

So don't do that lol

Uhh kinda

[barren zephyr]

exept they always have damn stego body guards

[manic flint]

They can only escape if u get headshots while their down

Otherwise they'll be too weak to take another hit

Teno and Cera need faster health regen I think

Cause brawlers

[barren zephyr]

rip

[manic flint]

But using charge is how a carno SHOULD be hunting so if you get it off props to you

[severe idol]

@barren zephyr
What server had the rubberbanding?

[manic flint]

Most servers have bad lag

[severe idol]

That information isn't helpful. Which ones.

[barren zephyr]

EU #5 EU #3 and NA #1 r the ones ive used

[severe idol]

Thank you kindly.

[sudden hinge]

Cannibals are from every walk of life and it’s fine in game tbh I will still kill my species even when cannibalism debuffs are in I just won’t eat them

[barren zephyr]

EU#5 and NA#1 r the worst. u run like 20 meters than ur back where u started and an angry stego kills u

[barren zephyr]

bruh.

i eat my own kind when i littaraly have to and theres no other food

[paper oriole]

20% stam for one alt bite seems a bit harsh even for deino. Diminishing returns would help punish spam better while not being overly punishing for proper use

[hoary dawn]

I always kill my own

[sudden hinge]

It just makes sense you are competition I have no interest in grouping with you if you don’t escape you are dead

[hasty dagger]

Doesn’t matter if I’m hungry

[hoary dawn]

i've yet to see a legitimate reason why cannibalism is an "issue", you're fighting something that is equally as strong and fast as you, its up to your own skill if you die. and if you get ganged up on, tough luck, that can happen with other species too

[barren zephyr]

if i dont want somone around i just tell them

[sudden hinge]

I threaten usually but that’s not how I do it always If you approach me I usually will attack or chase if you don’t leave right away it’s curtains

[barren zephyr]

cringe. just use chat to tell them u like to be alone orjust tell them to fuck off ez

[sudden hinge]

Not really cringe I just play realistic I don’t want competition for resources kill them or scare them away simple

I shouldn’t have to tell you you shouldn’t be trusting every carno or Utah you meet

[barren zephyr]

i dont. ill just walk bast and 2 call to show im not a threat

[sudden hinge]

You approaching another predator is too trusting lol

[barren zephyr]

Anyways imma out run some air to air missles with the F104S in war thunder

[paper oriole]

Maybe you should try outrunning the cannibals you approach too trustingly as well

[honest sparrow]

Lmao “rep system”
Pteranodon Longiceps- Avid own killer

[paper oriole]

do i get a cool title if i cannibalize enough juvies?

[honest sparrow]

Miragaia- Slayer of toddlers

[hasty dagger]

Chip88898 - Youngling Exterminator

[severe idol]

Last thing we need is a reputation system like DayZ. lol

[honest sparrow]

Hi anakin

[hoary dawn]

adding a reputation system would encourage cannibalism even more

so i agree yes yes yes yes

give

i want to be a notorious ownslayer

[barren zephyr]

he wants to be a notorious ownslayer

[honest sparrow]

He would in fact like to be known as a notorious ownslayer

[supple heath]

thinking about suggesting some more "diverse" species to be added (i.e some iconic paleozoic or cenezoic speices that fight the enviorment) do you guys think this is a good idea?

i dont really want to be mass disliked once i put it in

[paper oriole]

cenozoic is mostly mammals right

[honest sparrow]

Yes

[paper oriole]

mammals are

[honest sparrow]

I believe as long as they fit the reptilian aesthetic animals from all eras can be added (of course they also need to have a viable niche and playstyle)

[paper oriole]

2 minutes is too long

in fact, this can be an easy pack exploit for hunting, pack logging is already sometimes an issue in legacy

now imagine pack logging where a pack has 2 minutes of immunity while ambushing somebody

[pale crest]

I mean...

that's why I said they also couldnt attack someone either?

I mean it could understandably be shorter

like 8 secs

it's just something I feel would be convenient if you were caught at the wrong time and place as you spawn in

[paper oriole]

it should end once you move tbh

30 seconds or until you move

[karmic plank]

Thank jeebus we aren't getting that. Reputation which gives (or forces) certain colouration or aesthetic variations... Head spines or rail feathers or such... Could be neat?

[pale crest]

I mean but people would possibly just wanna stay frozen if there's someone right there trying to attack em lol

[hoary dawn]

or you could just log somewhere safe so you dont have to worry about something killing you when you spawn in

[pale crest]

true but as I said, wrong time and place and it's likely that you could hunker down somewhere people conveniently wander into while fighting or hunting... however you do have a point in the fact that most players aren't rlly that out in the open lol

also I find suggestions that are sometimes made about cannibalism that isn't to do with diet kinda dumb

[karmic plank]

Yeah, deinos learn this pretty early on

[paper oriole]

all the cannibalism complains make me wish they wouldnt deter it with diets

[pale crest]

I like the idea that it correlates with the research of how common practice it is for most creatures, even back then

[paper oriole]

but i will still kfs my own species, doesn't matter if i'm hungry

a majority of "cannibalism" rn seems to be sport killing anyway

[pale crest]

I do wish there was some sort of... control I guess in it

I find it pretty immersive when I or another player rlly has to make a choice in weather or not to hunt or scavenge of a body nearby

[hoary dawn]

rn it doesn't even directly correlate to it being your own species, there's just so few playables you're bound to fight your own if you wanna do combat

[pale crest]

truetrue

[karmic plank]

When I first started playing I hated cannibals... Having starved a few times I get it, and having eaten my own kind plenty after fights I don't think they should be punished

[pale crest]

I think when they eventually add a few more, probably around the release of magysaurus people will be more interested or flexable in their diets even besides the update

[paper oriole]

everyone will be focused on kfsing every magy they see. the isle will finally know unity

[karmic plank]

The big issue is atm there isn't enough player species variety to guarantee that food will always be another species

[pale crest]

or big ones tbh

[karmic plank]

When 90% of fights are Utah vs carno some days you don't have the luxury of never eating your own kind

[pale crest]

think there should be more benefits for acting realistically as your creature besides following your diet

at least something the players would want to acknowlege

[hoary dawn]

the affinity s

[karmic plank]

IRL it's usually hunger or fear of injury which keeps critters in their nature

[pale crest]

ye

or the chance of benefiting themselves

[outer condor]

No

[pale crest]

you dont see a bear trying to help a elk herd from a hungry wolf

because it has nothing to do with it or it's own lineage

[karmic plank]

Last thing we need is janky arcade mechanics which force players to follow an arbitrary ruleset

But things can encourage

Like diet encourages dinos to live where they are supposed to, but they can exist outside if they want

[pale crest]

At some points I feel the game would need a sort of ruleset mainly when it comes to mixpacking and overpacking tbh

otherwise players might just try to get around it all

there's a difference when you're backed into the corner of a river by a pack of utahs and then get surprise attacked by a deino as you're dragged underwater- that's understandable because the deino took advantage.

what's aids is if there's a shared diet when two species might have a prey item they both benefit from and try to work together to catch it

[karmic plank]

Mixpacks is a contentious issue, for sure. I came up with one idea around debuffing dinos who spend too long with species they shouldn't be able to coexist with

[pale crest]

and the devs are planning on that weren't they?

[karmic plank]

But it was a bit too janky or was perceived as being too exploitable

[pale crest]

oh

right

[karmic plank]

Not to my knowledge

[pale crest]

thought I saw smthn like that before but I think I did read your suggestion

All I rlly consider that ruins the game is when people mixpack and use hacks

things the devs should rlly have as some of their prioritys

[karmic plank]

Hacks yeah, mixpacks are a bit less hard yes/no

[pale crest]

Which I think they are sort of working on but not much has been mentioned about it. At least the hacks have reason if the devs rlly are working on what they say they are and trying to keep it from public view.