general-feedback-discussion

[karmic plank]

Apart from the bite alt bite spam the deino Moveset feels reasonable if boring to me, though Stam costs for alt bites would be good all round

[paper oriole]

its boring but it shouldnt have an interesting land moveset, its interesting stuff should be water based

[karmic plank]

Agreed

It's map issues that is pushing deinos onto land atm

Plus the sprinting underwater making sound above water bug

[feral solstice]

This is about to become spam

[severe idol]

Spam is the same message repeatedly.

Spam is the same message repeatedly.

This is flooding, which is when you

fill the chat with a bunch of a really short

but ultimately linked

messages.

[swift dew]

oooh, saoul was spamming and flooding. ima go report this to the admins

[severe idol]

Do it.

[swift dew]

[steep warren]

[honest sparrow]

waah

[tender latch]

magarsaurus from the isle

this is not real

[barren zephyr]

Burn it

[hoary dawn]

the fumes from the fire would kill us all

[steep warren]

I was going to post a pic to go along with my suggestion but im stupid and forgot and I cant put one now sooooo. im just going to put it here for reference.

[tender latch]

engulf the homeworld in what made us the

[trail brook]

R we actually getting that huge bird put in the game

[steep warren]

@strange wave What do u not understand

[strange wave]

i understand what you're saying

its just not a good idea

[steep warren]

ok then just put x instead oh question

and why u think its not a good idea

[strange wave]

wires are not good rope

[steep warren]

Id like to know

well it was an example

[strange wave]

tribals have no use for anything mercs have other than the mercs themselves for food and sacrifice

[toxic flame]

i just really like amargasaurus

[steep warren]

So ur saying they have no use for any merc mats

[steep warren]

Same

[strange wave]

they really dont

[swift dew]

it would be good, but the roster is already super bloated and there is no room unfortunatly

[steep warren]

Can anyone eles give me feedback on my suggestion

[toxic flame]

no yea i totally know that the isle is pulling in more they can chew but again i just think amargasaurus is cool

: )

[swift dew]

I would, but its long and I don't really feel like reading it

[steep warren]

oof pls

[toxic flame]

what suggestion?

[steep warren]

the one above urs

if u like it pls give it a check cuse bork just gave it an x because he said tribals dont need merc stuff

[toxic flame]

i see i do wonder through if mercs are just going to be better whats the point of tribal?

[steep warren]

I know ima play tribals first

[hoary dawn]

tribals are gonna have advanced mobility and senses

[toxic flame]

also do they plan on adding huamns before or after they add huge dinos

[hoary dawn]

and their own crafting/base building system

[toxic flame]

ok thank you

[steep warren]

They plan humans this year

[hoary dawn]

the funny

[toxic flame]

cool also thank you

[steep warren]

Can u guys pls tell me what u think of my suggestion cuse am lonely 🙂

[hoary dawn]

i think its pretty good, and possible

[steep warren]

Thx

I think it would be good for tribals not to use merc stuff but take it apart and use that suff

[toxic flame]

yes

[hoary dawn]

iirc the tribal crafting system has been compared to the forrest by a dev before, so if its anything like that then i'd image it would be pretty easy to have merc materials be compatible

[toxic flame]

ive personally never played forest

@hoary dawn do you also eat your own?

sorry just had to ask because of the name

[hoary dawn]

always

[steep warren]

So tribals will be cannibals or am i just confused?

[hoary dawn]

i hope

[toxic flame]

cerata main

you would

yo tribals are gonna have some messed up mutations after all that cannibalism

[honest sparrow]

hi

[toxic flame]

uh oh

@quiet estuary ok them not throwing the grenades after pulling out pin pretty funny idea

[quiet estuary]

Makes sense too
doubt tribals would know what the strange green orb from the food does

[toxic flame]

lol

i can just imagine being a merc at night expecting dinos then theres just a bunch of hooligans chasing after you

[toxic flame]

@rare phoenix i realy love that idea

[hoary dawn]

it doesn't sound too different from what the base game sounds to be, aside from more emphasis on the building maintenance

[paper oriole]

Tribals should be able to use merc guns as blunt weapons and if they have ammo left they can fire off randomly while the tribal bludgeons shit with it and hit whatever its facing.

Tribals and small dinos should be able to break into unattended merc vehicles if they're on and drive it out of control, leaving a path of destruction until it crashes and probably kills the passenger

[hoary dawn]

i dream of hijacking a jeep as a troodon

[paper oriole]

It would be glorious chaos

Dinos should also be able to grab and carry around guns like how dogs just grab shit and run because they can

[hoary dawn]

we do a little arms theft

[hasty dagger]

Yoo attack on titan but dinosaurs instead of titans and fences instead of walls

[hoary dawn]

like some kind of zoo, but for dinosaurs

they should make a movie about that

[honest sparrow]

What would you call a movie about dinosaurs in a zoo

“Mesozoic Menagerie”

[hoary dawn]

dinoland: jurassic

[hasty dagger]

Cretaceous Playground

[karmic plank]

I know I'm guilty too but remember #general-feedback-discussion is meant to be for discussing submissions in #general-feedback

We also have #isle-discussion for general TI chitchat

[toxic flame]

@mild karma that is a great idea and a very useful idea of the sleeping mechanic

[mild karma]

thx ever since i slept for the first time i have been thinking of things to do with it

[toxic flame]

technically it would make a lot of sense too because you get benefits for being more risky

[mild karma]

exactly that's what would also give a bit of that so called horror type of vibe if you end of sleeping because if you don't pull it off properly your opponent has so much time to punsih you from the recovery frames

[hoary dawn]

having players control how fast night goes would suck for the nocturnal hunters, mainly dilo since its venom is supposed to work better at night

[paper oriole]

make magy suddenly transform into barosaurus for its elder form

[hasty dagger]

Magy is a Titan shifter

[toxic flame]

yea but uhh amargasaurus is kinda cooler

[paper oriole]

If genes are still planned to be a factor in nesting, parents with bad genes could have a low chance to spawn in piebald or leucistic offspring, since it would just be an inconvenience to the player to have that sort of mutation

So they should have some level of control over it, but it shouldnt just be customization because then it'll be legacy where theres a dozen albinos in a server and it looks stupid

[hallow vigil]

piebald crocs look cool but i dont think theyd work well ingame cuz theyd just make it impossible to hide (at least on land, unsure how much it would really make you stand out in water)

[paper oriole]

If it was rare + a player had some choice in the matter it would be pretty fair, but yeah random players shouldnt be punished with something that makes life harder for them at total random

If you can see info on the parents of a recruiting nest you can know if you are risking it when you take an egg

[hybrid matrix]

From what i understand, allo is coming to evrima, and kissen meant that it isn't glue fire threw current roster

Although idk why deino and stego are small enough but not allo

[stray holly]

@barren zephyr I thought every Dino in Legacy was supposed to make its way to Evrima at some point down the line?

Where can I find that information? Regarding stuff being cut short.

I mean it makes sense because so far in Evrima almost every creature has an ability/mechanic unique to that creature. Utah pounce, carno charge, Hypsi spit, ptera flight, deino lunge and drowning, dryo dodge, the only exceptions being Stego and Teno.

I have a hard time imagining what an Allo’s unique mechanic/ability would be.

[karmic plank]

They have unique abilities. Stego: Waddle Teno: karate

[compact hare]

karate

[stray holly]

LMAO

[zinc rivet]

who tagged me

[wicked furnace]

@barren zephyr It is slated for it.

It wouldn't be in Ceras concept if it wasn't gonna be included

They probably meant apexes, like trike and rexes lol

SS?

[icy lion]

check pins in #isle-discussion

allo is coming eventually

evrima likely wont stay a separate branch

read punch's post thats pinned in #isle-discussion

[wicked furnace]

Ok, and it never said that evrima is gonna stay seperate

[icy lion]

then you certainly havent comprehended it

the current roster(s) for official servers is(are) unknown and are yet to be decided

as punch said, it may become a balance question in the future

so as of now, we do not know what roster(s) allosaurus will be part of

[wicked furnace]

So, non official servers can allow different rosters? or allow ones that aren't in official?

[icy lion]

yes

unofficials will be able to enable or disable any creature they like

[tight lantern]

Allo should be the Apex of Evrima if they are in fact wanting this stage of Evrima being without playable apexes

[zinc rivet]

"If landed on a leg or neck, can drag large dinosaurs such as full-Stegs into the water, albeit slowly and with struggle."

Not tryna be rude jus talking about it, but I think people keep forgetting or just aren't away about how Deino's "drag" isn't actually a proper drag. It's essentially the same system as picking up a corpse but adapted for live players small enough for a Deinosuchus to carry. It can't drag corpses, and it does not have any proper "drag" mechanic.

If we want Deinosuchus to be taking on Stegosaurs in such a way, then Deinosuchus needs it's mechanic reworked fairly significantly so that proper dragging becomes an actual mechanic within the game

[tight lantern]

^ I agree. It's largely why I added the albeit slowly and with struggle. It's more of a current corpse dragging mechanic, rather than a true grab and drag.

[zinc rivet]

Though afaik the devs aren't entirely sure how they'd go about a tug-of-war Dragging system from what Punch talked about it. I suggested a method I thought was alright, have it be based on moving in the opposite direction that your opponent is, and if you press A or D while your opponent is not pressing them, you slowly rotate, and this is costing Stamina to both parties

so essentially you wanna be wiggling A, S, and D and trying to counter the other's movement as well as you can to prevent stam loss and pull em in until either they start floating in open water, they exhaust, or you exhaust and leave yourself vulnerable to attack

it sounds like allot typed out but I feel like controlling it would be very intuitive in practice

they're pulling you backwards? Pull yourself backwards. They're trying to turn you left? Try to turn their body as well, etc

if the Stego plays well enough or the Deino plays poor enough or just isn't strong enough you might even end up with the Deinosuchus getting dragged onto land instead haha

and the Deinosuchus always has the option to release and retreat if what they realize their target may be more trouble than it's worth

[tight lantern]

I like it. Essentially, it's a lot like pulling a fish in on a reel. When they go one way, you go another, when they pull you ease up, when they ease up and tire then you pull in hard. It'd almost make for a fun mini-game of push-and-pull among heavy weights.

[zinc rivet]

yea that's a really good analogy for it

[hallow vigil]

allo should be in evrima imo since its a community favorite, as opposed to magy

and i know there are magy fans who are excited to play it, and their opinions are just as valid as mine, but still. Allo's been a community fav since it came out, and it's in legacy as well. I think it deserves the priority

[hasty dagger]

why can’t they coexist there’s so many ideas for Magy viability with Albert and Allo still in the picture

[paper oriole]

Which one would actually work while not being either ridiculous or exploitable tho

Imagine thinking stego needs a nerf lmao youre a fucking carno, the fastest dino in the game, complaining that the slowest dino killed you

[odd sedge]

Coexisting and Isle players are two different things that just don't go together

[barren zephyr]

Wait is that even possible?

there’s no way a stego can kill a carno unless the carno is fighting it or it’s literally afk

[hoary dawn]

i hope to god they look at some of the magy suggestions that people make, there are so many better options than "ew it taste yucky" magy could very easily just be upsized and given proper defenses

[paper oriole]

Carni players pull the stupidest shit and then complain that an herbi needs a nerf because they made a mistake and the herbi took advantage

[barren zephyr]

Lol

Makes sense

[paper oriole]

It's like those morons who break into zoo enclosures and get the animals inside killed because surprise surprise, they get attacked by a wild animal that they went out of their way to interact with

[barren zephyr]

It’s like going up to a wild rhinoceros and poking it with a stick. It’s not going to go well lol

[paper oriole]

Its even worse than that since at least a rhino can run a human down

[feral solstice]

@worldly ginkgo Netcoder is planned to be hired

[paper oriole]

A carno is in 100% control of the stego confrontation

[worldly ginkgo]

pog

[barren zephyr]

Isle players

[vale pawn]

Continent players

[barren zephyr]

Landmass contributors

[vale pawn]

the isle, more like

Amounts of sediment piled together surrounded by a body of water

[solar peak]

@trail mesa delete your X for a second pls

thanks

[tender latch]

dont ping devs

[trail mesa]

Smh cmon foniu

Muted

[tender latch]

utahrapor from the island ^

[solar peak]

oh ye sorry I forgot that guy muted me I will be quiet now

[barren zephyr]

For how long

[tender latch]

What for

[solar peak]

let me find it

I can't get message link on phone but find it and read our conversation from that moment

[odd sedge]

Terrain participants

[paper oriole]

Teamwork and cooperation should be how mercs play but they should still be punished for misfires the same as everyone else

[hoary dawn]

let mercs find out the hard way what happens when you kill your own on a dino infested island

[paper oriole]

if anything mercs can tend to eachother with first aid, but they shouldnt be immune to friendly fire

they def should learn the hard way same as everyone else

[tender latch]

actually this is actually pretty good

im deleting my suggestion

[hoary dawn]

I always kill my own

[barren zephyr]

It’s true, he does

[worldly ginkgo]

i have started cannibalizing every utah i see, and when i kill them i say one line: I always kill my own

[hoary dawn]

the lord's work

[worldly ginkgo]

2 Wednesdays and no phase 2 moment

[quaint spruce]

have you heard of game balance lmao

[paper oriole]

Rex is popular too we should add it asap

[quaint spruce]

exactly

doesnt make sense

[paper oriole]

Stego shouldnt even be released this early we don’t need more fuckups

If allo got dropped now it would either be busted af or pathetic

[quaint spruce]

it would cause mayhem tbh

alt bite, then bite with deino he beats stego 100% of the time

ik this bc i have tested it

completely broken, using that method u can beat any deino solo with only missing half your health

[paper oriole]

Yeah deino and steg are two good examples of adding things too early. Deino is busted and stego is pathetic

Allo would share the fate of one of them

[quaint spruce]

diets will hopefully change up the game where theres more player interaction

[paper oriole]

Stego can be soloed by a dryo and deino is as good at fighting on land as any terrestrial or even better, and can retreat into water to be untouchable by everything but other deinos

I think diets are probably overhyped

But we'll see

[plush trench]

How? How can it be soloed by a dryo?

[paper oriole]

Dryo and utah can easily dodge the tail attack unless server lag helps the steg

Dodge the tail, bite the head, rinse repeat

[plush trench]

If u miss that's kinda ur fault tho

[paper oriole]

I almost killed a steg with a dryo until his friend showed up and chased me off

[quaint spruce]

my biggest complaint with deino is that as soon as your at 50% grown your only 2 tons and he weighs 8 tons statisctally he should be 4 tons at 50%

[paper oriole]

I dont even bother wasting time growing that fodder animal

[quaint spruce]

also having more sub deinos killing bigger deinos would help with all the adult deinos around

[plush trench]

I mean it can kill Crocs carnos and such sooo

[paper oriole]

Deino can have that fixed when he isnt some brawler beyblade

[quaint spruce]

idk stego wicked powerful imo

[paper oriole]

Crocs have the upper hand with the alt bite and hitting steg's head through his ass while dodging headshots at the same time and being able to do it while moving and keeping up with stego

[quaint spruce]

just gotta be patient and hope hit registration is on your side lmao

[paper oriole]

Stegos attacks are powerful but theyre easy af to dodge

And he only has one attack that means anything

[plush trench]

I presume it's a glitch with the head hit part?

[quaint spruce]

u say that but i kill alot of shit when im stego soo idk wym

[paper oriole]

You kill a lot of dumb players, most people in the isle are idiots who still fall for the fish on the shoreline deino trap

[quaint spruce]

i wouldnt say dumb i would say no skills yet

[plush trench]

I mean as stego all u really gotta do is face the tail towards the the dino

[quaint spruce]

ik

[paper oriole]

Anyone who has an ounce of competence knows they can solo a steg if they dont use pounce or bumrush it

[quaint spruce]

and or be near trees or rocks

[plush trench]

As long as u don't get anbushed ur almost untouchable

[quaint spruce]

ik right

[paper oriole]

Just because most utah players spam pounce and get thenselves killed doesn’t mean the things they attack are good

Deino has a vast advantage in survivability over stego

[quaint spruce]

u dont pounce a steg solo so...

[paper oriole]

I know, a lot of utah players do it

But they can solo it with bites

[plush trench]

If we're talking about living in the isle croc has the hardest time

[paper oriole]

Lmao

[quaint spruce]

u can yes kill a steg solo by your self with utah but you have to be good at the game

and hope the trusty hit registration doesnt fuck you over

[paper oriole]

Crocs food is herbivore levels of easy and its only threat is other deinos unless it allows itself to die

[plush trench]

Yeah it's easy killing a dumb steg

[quaint spruce]

no even a good steg u can its extremely hard but do able

think of dark souls boss fight kinda challenge lmao

in general tho the isle envirma with future updates will almost be based of how skillful you are at the game than having broken animtions etc

[tepid gate]

Croc has about the easiest time in the game actually. Dryo might be easier survivability-wise. Perhaps Pteranodon too. Deinosuchus is right behind these two when it comes to how easy it is to obtain and maintain.

[karmic plank]

The only threat to crocs is other crocs

And hunger if they are too crowded for fish

As has been said many times by many people, the current map means only noobs and overconfident dinos die to crocs, stegs aside

Yeah you can't kill them but you can also just... Not fight them

[hoary dawn]

idk if a ptera would be able to balance that well on a spino, but yes landing on large animals would be great

[tidal frigate]

It’s sail looks thick enough and pteras pretty tiny compared to spino

How would fear work?

[hoary dawn]

assuming this is accurate a ptera would have to constantly shift its weight to balance up there

[paper oriole]

Yeah sounds like such fun gameplay to have involuntary fear mechanics just because some big shithead spams broadcast nearby

[tidal frigate]

It’s could have both hands gripping

[hoary dawn]

i mean it could, but i just think that it would look unnatural and uncomfortable to perch on such a skinny surface, as i said i really like the idea of ptera landing on large animals, just spino is one that would look off

[wise tinsel]

spino would just eat it

[tidal frigate]

Or maybe on the neck or tail

[wise tinsel]

no......

[paper oriole]

If a ptera lands on ny neck im shaking my head and eating the little bastard

[tidal frigate]

What if it’s a baby

[paper oriole]

I will eat them all

[hoary dawn]

the spoons will eat well tonight

[wise tinsel]

i would eat a baby infront of its mother

[paper oriole]

Doesn't matter if i'm hungry

[hoary dawn]

[tidal frigate]

Listen I would eat it in a heartbeat if it was an adult I’ve lost to many baby’s to them but I don’t think I would kill it if it was a baby and I was an adult

[honest sparrow]

Imagine if you could land on big Herbies and then just peck them to death

[paper oriole]

Thats a minority if players

Most people are just gonna kos

[tidal frigate]

And make pteras more annoying

[barren zephyr]

0.1% food

[wise tinsel]

yes

[tidal frigate]

But what if it was a dryo? Then would you eat it

[paper oriole]

Even now, large packs sometimes go out of their way to track down and kill one hypsi that doesnt even feed one member

People will kos

[tidal frigate]

Hypsis are the spawn of satan I don’t blame them

[karmic plank]

Some people do, other groups are more chill - we had a 10 strong carno pack the other day and was sharing with some little baby raptors and a ptera

[paper oriole]

To be fair, pteras dont have a great rep either

[wise tinsel]

delish

[tidal frigate]

You monster

[karmic plank]

Everything is food if you are hungry, haha

[tidal frigate]

But what if you weren’t

[hoary dawn]

doesn't matter

[karmic plank]

Then I try to be neighbourly, as long as they don't get too sus

[paper oriole]

People kill for fun

[wise tinsel]

the funny screams of the xhildren are nice

[paper oriole]

2 seconds of amusement

[wise tinsel]

its like eating a dorito that squeaks

[karmic plank]

Some people base their whole self-worth on their ability to win and kill others in video games... Some are a little more stable

[barren zephyr]

Kossing is funny because ()

[paper oriole]

It isnt even that

[wise tinsel]

lol

[hoary dawn]

KOS(Kill for sport)

[paper oriole]

Its just fun to kill somebody and leave

[wise tinsel]

kos

[paper oriole]

Kos can be different than kfs

Kfs youll actually seek out people to kill for fun

[wise tinsel]

lul

[barren zephyr]

When magy comes out

[paper oriole]

Im gonna kfs magy so hard

[barren zephyr]

I will play magy to kill magy

[paper oriole]

No mercy

[hoary dawn]

pesky told me to

[barren zephyr]

who’s that

[hoary dawn]

your mother

[paper oriole]

Funni blue carno man

[barren zephyr]

Scanova the carnotaj

[hoary dawn]

yes

[barren zephyr]

[pure fossil]

Loool

[barren zephyr]

Anthomnia the magy main

[wise tinsel]

pesky funny

anthomnia is a sweat

[icy lion]

lets keep on topic

[wise tinsel]

my suggestiion tho 10/10

[barren zephyr]

Deinosuchus

[paper oriole]

Big alligator

[barren zephyr]

I think it should have a 1,000 Newton biteforce and the ability to drag apexes in :)))))

[wise tinsel]

30.000 cause thats its real one

and yes i agress

[barren zephyr]

one shot rexes to the head

head

thanks

[paper oriole]

Deinosuchus should be able to swing its tail and break a rex in half because its tail is really really strong

[barren zephyr]

yeah, not like it’s still a alligator or anything

I think it should also have the stamina of a Utah

maybe the speed of a hypo carno idk

[wise tinsel]

yes i agree

[barren zephyr]

Good

My ideas are flawless

[wise tinsel]

also a hypo strain as its basic spawn

with like 2 heads and tails

[paper oriole]

Deino should be able to run really super fast because i saw a video of a small crocodile run fast and deinosuchus is big crocodile so it should run even faster

[barren zephyr]

Yeah that’s balanced

[barren zephyr]

it also needs to spawn in with merc weapons

It should also be able to group invite other species

[wise tinsel]

yep

and get buffs when it gets hit

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[paper oriole]

Deinosuchus should be able to teleport to any water source on the map in an instant if it wants to change water

[barren zephyr]

also it needs to be around 90 tons

[wise tinsel]

300*

[barren zephyr]

it needs to be able to control time as well. Smh.

[wise tinsel]

and be like only muscle mass

[paper oriole]

Give deinosuchus kaio ken and za warudo

[barren zephyr]

it’s STILL not balanced enough though

[icy lion]

ok serious discussion in here pls

[barren zephyr]

we’re trying to make deino very balanced

[wise tinsel]

ye

😭

[barren zephyr]

@swift dew could you remove that reaction for a sec

Nevermind

Lol

[karmic plank]

On topic, I don't really get why carno has a charge except "it needs something unique, so why not". Its head does not look setup at all for blunt force (especially compared to other big therapods) and I feel like they'd just break their anime eyebrow ridges off every single time

[paper oriole]

The fortnite raptor is almost as ugly as our current raptor

[barren zephyr]

I don’t think it’s as bad

But still no burn it

[honest sparrow]

more ugly

[stone bone]

@wise tinsel u suck

[barren zephyr]

[wise tinsel]

this is harrassment

[paper oriole]

Woah there pardner

[barren zephyr]

We have a sussy amogus person here

[wise tinsel]

yeah

[hoary dawn]

fortnite

why

of all raptors

[wise tinsel]

gross

[barren zephyr]

Because it’s a very good game definitely

[honest sparrow]

best one obviously

no other raptor design can compete

[barren zephyr]

Plus it’s fortnite-the isle killer

[tidal frigate]

Fortnite sucks just like it’s raptor models

[hoary dawn]

i understand wanting utah to get a better model, the one we have sucks ass. but fortnite?

[barren zephyr]

Yeah fortnite

[tidal frigate]

People say the current model sucks but they don’t say how to fix it

[tidal frigate]

🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

[barren zephyr]

Ping!!!

[karmic plank]

Nothing wrong with the current model, we don't need flouro 90s raptor

[hoary dawn]

make it not a jp ripoff and add some more bulk and feathers

[stone bone]

nah fortnite best raptor model ever!!

[barren zephyr]

[wise tinsel]

unbreak its hands

[tidal frigate]

Their are tons of things to say to that but no

[hoary dawn]

ok

[barren zephyr]

Make it not isle utah

[karmic plank]

Velo can get feathers, Utah will look fine with some colour customisation

[tidal frigate]

Yeah that doesn’t look like a jp ripoff

[paper oriole]

It literally is

[barren zephyr]

It does

[hoary dawn]

you serious

[tidal frigate]

Yes

[barren zephyr]

Your seriousness is very un serious

[paper oriole]

Broken hands, bald, scrawny, literal jurassic park barks

[karmic plank]

It looks and sounds like JP raptors because JP set everyone's expectations for what raptors look like

[honest sparrow]

apart from the patterning its essentially identical

[karmic plank]

Other therapods are no different

Rex for example

[barren zephyr]

At least the isles rex is somewhat different

the calls are there but

[paper oriole]

Does the isle rex have broken hands

[barren zephyr]

that’s about it

[tidal frigate]

Yeah only it’s one call sounds like a jp Utah raptor

[barren zephyr]

and it’s 2 call

and it’s 4 call

[karmic plank]

The whole chirpy cat persona is cos of JP

[limber hull]

fortnite raptor

[hoary dawn]

our utah is hugely inspired by jp

[tidal frigate]

two call? I get 4 call but two call?

[limber hull]

fortnite raptor

[barren zephyr]

Yeah the 2 call

Number 2

[hasty dagger]

Fortnite Raptor

[barren zephyr]

oh no chip

[tidal frigate]

Yeah they look so similar

[barren zephyr]

they do lol

[hoary dawn]

idk why you would even need to explain the resemblance, its very clearly heavily inspired by jp

[karmic plank]

We do NOT need peak 90s raptor

[hoary dawn]

like what about them is different besides the colors

[barren zephyr]

Nothing

Maybe the size, that’s about it

[karmic plank]

🤢

[barren zephyr]

Thanks

I need this

[tidal frigate]

Ugh fine.it’s tail is way longer it’s mouth is longer it has different eyes it’s claws are bigger it’s sickle claw is less prominent it’s more bulky and bigger

[barren zephyr]

that’s just making the jp raptor larger

[hoary dawn]

so, some parts are slightly bigger

[barren zephyr]

Doesn’t change the fact that it’s literally inspired off of the Jurassic park velociraptor

Can’t wait for feathered customization

[karmic plank]

Every single serious dinosaur depiction is inspired by JP

People tried to make feathered dinos a thing years ago and the public was all no thx

[hoary dawn]

lots of things are inspired by jp yes, that doesn't mean its any less of a ripoff

[karmic plank]

There's no value in being different for the sake of being different

[paper oriole]

They even added a little snout bump to the elder like cmon

[karmic plank]

For every person who wants it to be different "just because" there's 100 people who want to roleplay JP

[hoary dawn]

tell that to almost every other dino in the roster

[karmic plank]

Having interesting mechanics is value add

[hasty dagger]

Good thing the isle isn’t a roleplay game

[barren zephyr]

Legacy

[hoary dawn]

our utah is just bland looking, jp rip or not

[hasty dagger]

Delete it

[barren zephyr]

Please

[karmic plank]

The devs aren't tasteless enough to actually consider 90s boyband raptor, don't worry

[hoary dawn]

i hope not

[karmic plank]

We can hope for more interesting colours in the small herbivores, give them a little more reason to be played

[hoary dawn]

small herbies are getting cool stuff

cept ovi

[barren zephyr]

they just don’t care about ovi enough

it needs something

So it isn’t just a smaller galli

[hoary dawn]

it has what it deserves nothing

[barren zephyr]

we had this discussion on the other server gwt

[hoary dawn]

we will have it again

[barren zephyr]

Fine

[tidal frigate]

Minmis walk cycle

[karmic plank]

As long as trike loses its awful waddle when it gets ported... lol

Hard to feel like an apex herbivore when you walk like you are morbidly obese

[karmic plank]

@lime gulch That's an interesting idea, especially if it's combined with increased sniff range & duration plus increased audio range

But I think actual nocturnal dinos should still get some sight and (just like IRL night time) you should be able to see anything in moonlight

So under trees or moonless nights would be pitch black but out in the open where the moon is shining you'd get monochromatic sight with extra motion blur

The issue with all that is you are basically making up to half of everyone's playtime just sitting in a bush afk

It might be a way to encourage herbivores if the worst night time blindness only applied to daytime predators

The vast majority of animals have much better nighttime vision that humans do, so our expectations (especially city folk who don't get a chance to be out in the wilderness away from bright lights) of dark and black nights is not realistic

[barren zephyr]

Can anyone here read Chinese

[hoary dawn]

google translate

[vale pawn]

FORTNITE

I CANT STOP

[static niche]

my guy rly said fortnite raptor LMAOOO

[vale pawn]

im gonna save that

oh yea

[barren zephyr]

Literal gold

eyo?

[vale pawn]

everytime someone asks for a way to improve utah thats gonna get pulled up

[barren zephyr]

what what with utah?

[vale pawn]

fortnite

[barren zephyr]

aaaa

fortnite utah

[cosmic trellis]

forttah

[static niche]

yeah ok, keep telling urself that

[paper oriole]

Fortnite raptor is so ugly its comedic, isle utahraptor is just boring ugly

Boring, uninspired, peak uncreativity

[barren zephyr]

Hopefully the feathered option will be able to change that

[paper oriole]

Hopefully it has fixed arms because otherwise the feathers will also look awful

[barren zephyr]

It better not be just jp velo with feathers glued to it

[vale pawn]

fortnite colored feathered utah

[barren zephyr]

Suffer

[vale pawn]

a sin

[barren zephyr]

A sin that even the isle couldn’t handle

[sonic mural]

Preach

[barren zephyr]

I am preaching

I think

[odd sedge]

“Make Utah look like this“

shows an example of another raptor with broken wrists

[simple gust]

When is the 4.5 update coming?

[sonic mural]

We don’t know yet they don’t give release dates

[azure wadi]

@stone bone that is the worst raptor model I’ve seen in my entire life

[barren zephyr]

Ping

[azure wadi]

Indeed

[simple gust]

Is the diet system coming in 4.5?

[honest sparrow]

Update 4

[simple gust]

Witch apdate are in now?

[honest sparrow]

3.5

[simple gust]

I thought we are already in 4 xD

[honest sparrow]

Na

[simple gust]

Do you know when 4 is coming?

[honest sparrow]

Nope

[barren zephyr]

My guess is around August/September

[simple gust]

Oh man, i cant wait

[honest sparrow]

I’d guess it’ll be out by the end of summer tho

[odd sedge]

I think 4.5 will be coming shortly after tho.
Pachy is almost done

[past dune]

yess

i think they said less than 2 weeks i think

[urban flax]

@past dune Different eating animations aren't a bad thing but they are extremely low on the priority list

[stone bone]

@vale pawn sarcasm?

[karmic plank]

We have different swallow vs rip and chew animations... but yeah some variety would be nice

It's a shame that nobody uses the North-West quarter of the map, I think it's some of the best designed areas in the game (and arch river is exactly what shallows/mid should look like)... but there are no shallows and no shared spawns so

[pure fossil]

Eh I use it for grow ptera, always

Lol

[karmic plank]

I'm a cliff at end of river guy for that, spawn on the mountain NE, fly to beach and the follow to river opening

like Arch River is exactly what I was asking for for the main river - wide, deep, a couple of semi-safe crossing points

[pure fossil]

For me that place it’s perfect

[karmic plank]

lots of logs and interesting things

[pure fossil]

Totally agree

[karmic plank]

Jungle Gym and all that are neat little spots too

[pure fossil]

Yeah but for me that jungle it’s meant for rexes, spinos or those. Idk, I don’t like jungle for the current roster

It’s a mess for me

Utah and Carno I always play them on plains. Stego and tenonto the same (if I’m in herd) Dryo… troll time so xd

[urban flax]

No, no, that model is genuinely ugly

[karmic plank]

I'm biased because it looks like it's straight out of the 90s

[urban flax]

It looks like an inbred piñata

[karmic plank]

ewww

Not arguing on the plumage

but the bright flouro colours and overly cutesy cartoon style just don't belong in TI

but who knows, if the color customisation is open enough maybe you can make your own copy

Fortnite's whole shtick is cartoonish, bright, and overboard loud graphics and styles

TI is meant to be more well... serious and realistic

[stone bone]

exactly that model is so fire 😈

yall delving too deep into a joke lmao

[urban flax]

general feedback channel is not for jokes

[stone bone]

lmaooooooooooo

"general feedback discussion is not for jokes"-🤓

dont take it so seriously

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

[stone bone]

who said i was trolling

[urban flax]

Common sense

Also you said yourself your suggestion was a joke

[paper oriole]

did somebody actually try to defend the fortnite raptor

[azure wadi]

No it’s just bad

[paper oriole]

Tapejara should probably be out of the question as the herbi flyer

Tupan or europ would both be superior

[crisp stream]

@cloud viper i like the idea of more fliers, but 4 more sounds a little overboard. i thing 1 and 2 would be good for the game and maybe even both would fit in, but the other 2... are kind of unnecessary.

[paper oriole]

A brawler and insectivore flyer seem unnecessary, it could easily be just adding an herbi flyer and an omni flyer who has insects as part of their diet, but shouldn’t be so small that it's useless to the ecosystem

[limber hull]

what is this feedback

[paper oriole]

Ptera is already worth very little food, it should be considered the small flyer, any more should be around its size or larger

[crisp stream]

yea true. but the herbi one should be ptera sized while the omnivore is smaller

[paper oriole]

Europ (smaller) or tupan (larger) could work as the herbi

[urban flax]

@keen reef Care to explain your feedback ?

[crisp stream]

europ full name?

[paper oriole]

Europejara

It basically looks like tupan with a smaller crest

[crisp stream]

europ strikes me more as an herbi especially imagining it in the isle style

[paper oriole]

Yeah him or tupan would look good as an herbi

With a cool toucan aesthetic on its fat head and crest

[urban flax]

Oh I've finally found what SirBary was talking about in isle-discussion

Punch hinted at the fact that Pachy would need to charge its headbutt attack to deliver a powerful blow instead of just being able to rush forward like a carno, so it's more defensive

[odd sedge]

I mean it makes Sense...?

Doesn't mean it won't get attacks without charging up

[urban flax]

Yeah

I get the reasoning behind it, depends on how it's handled
I wouldn't like Pachy to basically "-call before charging because that would look quite stupid, but if there is a proper charging animation that makes sense, then it's fine

[limber hull]

i like the ram idea

i want there to be a bunch of knockback force on a full charge

[odd sedge]

Make it smack pesky Utahs off cliffs that dare to attack the mountain goat itself

[limber hull]

i love that anim so much

but yea, i love the mountain goat playstyle

also idk why people are upset over herbis being defensive, that's literally how herbivores survive lmao

[urban flax]

Yes, preventing them from rushing towards enemies, chasing them and killing them is a better way to prevent mixpacking with carnis than a stress system

[paper oriole]

I worry that if pachy has to charge up its attacks though as a defensive animal it will get totally bodied, hopefully not the case

Its only around utah sized and most likely slower than one

[odd sedge]

I don't think all attacks should be charged up.
The ones that deal a lot of damage, kickback and fractures yes

[paper oriole]

Fracture will be his main defense

[grim copper]

My only problem with pachy having to charge its attack is that it might be too telegraphed and way too easy to dodge

[paper oriole]

If it has to charge up to fracture utahs that will inevitably outnumber it, it will be a fodder animal

[urban flax]

Unless it can turn while charging ?
Or it can be a short charge

Just long enough so that it's slower to charge than to run forward

I mean, stop just long enough that once you dash, you go less far than if you continued to run

[grim copper]

True that would be better

Or maybe make the attack directional like an alt-bite

[limber hull]

I'd like to see him able to easily turn where he charges up the charge, choosing when to release, in which his turning then gets reduced

[urban flax]

Yes that's what I imagine too

[grim copper]

I just don’t want it to be clunky

[limber hull]

Maybe a minor stam drain the longer he holds it

[paper oriole]

That would make it even worse lol

Hes gonna need some steel skin if he has to charge up defensive attacks against fast attackers

If he's slower than utah and also a slow attacker he's fucked

And then those attacks also taking stam to charge up would be a yikes

[urban flax]

I think pachy might be more tanky than Utah, and also hit harder

2000 health pachy

[paper oriole]

Hes gonna need some heavy fiction tankiness if his combat functions like this lmao

Man my hype for pachy is dyin fast, charged attacks... yikes

If he cant deal fracture without charging it up against shit like utah he is gonna be as bad as legacy

[urban flax]

Nobody said it wouldn't be able to inflict fractures without charging

For now we're only talking about its special attack

But it would be very weird if it didn't get a headbutt as its main attack

[paper oriole]

If its only a special that does some real good shit its one thing, but if its like stego where it gets a useless bite and then an easy to juke attack its going to be a happy meal

[urban flax]

I guess the chaged-up dash would be better to work against big threats like carno

[paper oriole]

The devs really shit on stego, i hope pachy doesnt get the same cruel treatment

[urban flax]

Stego was designed as AI only at first though

btw I think it will stop being playable at some point

[paper oriole]

They should have just not released it that early at all as ai or playable

[limber hull]

I mean, I don't think a charge is all he has. In the concept art, you can see him swinging his head downwards like a hammer

Absolutely totalling a utah

[paper oriole]

Not a utah

There is a trend of troodon being dunked on in concepts, he is much smaller than utah

[limber hull]

oh, okay

still want to play troodon

regardless of dunkability

[barren zephyr]

utah has a bit of a thing of also having hunt fails being shown in concepts, but it isnt usually being crushed or trampled

[limber hull]

i think pachy won't have a simple charge, he'll probably have a variety of moves

[tight lantern]

Pachy's headbutt sounds more like a wind-up than something similar to that of the Carno charge. I believe Kissen confirmed it'd be completely different than a Carno-like charge

[urban flax]

The more diversity, the better

I guess ?

[paper oriole]

I am worried that theyll make pachys attacks bad aside from its charged attack so im keeping my hopes for him low
Hopefully he’s more like tenonto than stego, aka actually viable

This could be some sort of counter-pounce, maybe he can stop utahs before there's the need to actually buck, and not just some drawing of a mechanic that wont make it into the game

[urban flax]

Think of it like this
Tenonto and pachy are smalls, they're part of the intended evrima experience, stego isn't
It's safe to hope for a better treatment for pachy than for stego

[paper oriole]

Being hard to pounce could give him a decent needed upper hand since there’s no way in hell he'll be outrunning utah

[urban flax]

Or that's super-effective bucking

[grim copper]

Wouldn’t pachy be in the weight range to get pinned?

[paper oriole]

Pachy shouldn’t be some 50/50 pushover in a fight with a utah. Super effective bucking wouldn’t be bad either, I just hope he's viable and not some disappointing fodder animal like legacy where utah wrecked him

Yeah thats right, utah pins things bigger than it rn doesnt it

[grim copper]

Yeah up to 1 ton

[paper oriole]

Which is ridiculous

[grim copper]

Yup

[paper oriole]

A 500kg animal pinning a 1ton animal, the devs' utah favouritism is showing

500kg jp raptor pins a sub carno yikes

[grim copper]

There should be like a middle ground between pinning and latching on the pounce if something is 500-1000kg

Like it latches but heavily slows something

[paper oriole]

Would be better

Utah has double the hp as his weight and pins animals double its size, i knew it pinned animals bigger than it but damn thats bad

[grim copper]

And maybe if two utahs pounce something under 1000 kg it gets pinned

[urban flax]

I honestly don't know how they ended up with Utah pinning animals twice its weight and thinking it's fine

[paper oriole]

They love their uwutah

[urban flax]

I guess it's fine from a realism standpoint

But terrible for balance

[paper oriole]

For realism, utah wouldnt even be pouncing like it does

So it isnt even good from a realism standpoint

[urban flax]

Well yes, but I mean it's hard to carry 500 kg on your back when you weigh 1 ton yourself

[paper oriole]

Our utah flies around like a kangaroo on crack with two machetes

[urban flax]

Especially if that 500 kg thing is actually digging through your spine

[limber hull]

i kinda want pachy to have two moves, a charge where it deals knockback and fracture and a close-range that you need to wind up and a heavy fracture move with a long recovery and notable stam drain (like the one seen demolishing the troodon)

[urban flax]

I want pachy to do sick tricks like a WWE champion
Or that would be Magy

[paper oriole]

Considering its ‘charge’ will apparently have to charge up, that moveset would make pachy trash

Both attacks being punishing to even use

[pale bloom]

For realism, Utah wasn't even as fast as it is in the game and it was kinda robust animal, but I mean nothing in this game is "pure realism" it just has some touches of realism on its structure

[paper oriole]

For something slower than its predators it doesnt deserve that shit lol

Pchy should be an absolute menace in the melee, a charged up strong attack is fine but he should have suitable alternatives

[pale bloom]

But tbh if Pachy gonna weight 700 kg, not pinning it would feel stupid, yes it could have a counter pounce maybe consuming a lot of stamina but pinning should be a thing

[paper oriole]

Not choose between making yourself vulnerable to prepare an attack that might miss or wrecking your own stam

[limber hull]

Okay, but fractures actually seem punishing

And since they have multiple "levels", a pachy should be able to dish out several levels of fractures in one attack

[pulsar lake]

Flyer wise you can do :
-Pteranodon : basically a seagull, great fisher.
-Tupandactylus : herbivore flyer in a giant bat style. Able to hang on trees with its feet.
-Thalassodromeus : a nut and shell eater looking for them on beaches, in swamps and such places. Also able to swallow rather small animals.
-Quetzalcoatlus : giant giraffe stork of the death. Picking, swallowing animals or scavenging.
-Rhamphorhynchus : small insectivore/piscivore that can have a symbiotic relationship with most island inhabitants.

Rhamph and Tupan could both be nocturnal to me because of their niche. At least they're doing better than other flyers.

There could also be AIs like Anurognathus, Pterodaustro, Leptosomia, Darwinopterus and such for me.

[urban flax]

Ramphorynchus seems uninteresting as hell

[paper oriole]

Pterodaustro would even be bordering on playable size, just barely, probably something that would need to be enabled on unofficial servers

[urban flax]

Also Thalassodromeus sounds like a ptera that can't fish

[pulsar lake]

That's basically a similar difference of lifestyle like Cheirus/Spino or Sucho.

Also Rhampho is basically better Compy

[urban flax]

Cheirus and Spino are only similar in the fact they live close to water

[paper oriole]

Someone had an idea for bully thalasso a while back who would whack ptera and tupan out of the sky and beat their asses

[pulsar lake]

Yes

Same for most Pterosaurs

And their diet tho.

So coming back on Rhampho

[limber hull]

I like compy tho

little idiot monster

[paper oriole]

Rhamph is pretty tiny right, same size as daustro i think

[pulsar lake]

climb trees
eats insects
can parasite clean
able to fish
flying dash
extremely mobile while flying

Pterodaustro just has the inconvenience of being a filter feeder

I mean

Some filter feeder could be nice

But then it requires plankton like mechanic

[paper oriole]

Filter feeding is honestly no less boring sounding than skimming and eating bushes

[pulsar lake]

Migrating in shallows

Also for Pterodaustro to be sensible, I'd say that it could feed in mangroves, if ever added, or really really really shallow coasts

[paper oriole]

They could just say fuck it and have it eat algae lol

[pulsar lake]

Like some centimeters deep.

Tf

eats algae
has balleen brush

[paper oriole]

Easier to implement and basically functions the same

[pulsar lake]

Would look dumb

At least do another flyer

Not Pterodaustro

If it's for getting one rating algae

[paper oriole]

If they add plankton or something there should be multiple animals that benefit from them

[pulsar lake]

Cheirus, Daustro and that's all I guess.

If they add marine animals then more

[paper oriole]

Maybe if atopo got in miraculously

[pulsar lake]

Some plesiosaurs, Ichthyosaurs and fish

[paper oriole]

Seaweed and the tiny shit like plankton

[pulsar lake]

Atopo is full herbi to me

Marine iguana vibes

[paper oriole]

Fair enough

[pulsar lake]

And most likely feed on similar food items

Maybe small invertebrates in sediments

But it isn't built for suction feeding.

Btw fun fact : Shoniosaurus and Shastasaurus weren't suction feeders'

They were active predators

[paper oriole]

Weird to even picture shasta suction feeding anyway

[cloud viper]

@burnt tusk that is already confirmed

[lament pecan]

@ionic gorge devs are planning on automatic bubble NV, with ablsolute pitch darkness besides the bubble, so that turning up gamma won't either let them see stuff that aren't in range of bubble. In effect using gamma would only hurt your eyes

[ionic gorge]

Good, I just hate players that abuse gamma or brightness options. Takes the enjoyment of night hunting away.

[limber hull]

there are no gamma options in the Isle I think, they probably modify their monitor brightness

[vale pawn]

the brightness option

[urban flax]

@wispy quail What if you approach an AI and try to tame it, only to realize it's a human player ?

[wispy quail]

I actually dont know

[urban flax]

That's why people downvoted your suggestion

[odd sedge]

Well that is the best case scenario.
For the dinosaur of course. Free meal

[hybrid matrix]

I love this
Can we have this?

[limber hull]

i personally still think dino AI lame but whatever

[urban flax]

No dino AI boring

[hybrid matrix]

Ai should fill in the blanks of an ecosystem
To balance the environment

[limber hull]

what confuses me tho is that not every creature seems to be getting AI

[hybrid matrix]

Wait rlly?

Tf are the devs doing

[limber hull]

well, where on the roadmap is carno AI, deinosuchus AI or any of that

how do you expect them to whip up a deceptive creature like Troodon as an AI?

[hybrid matrix]

They do a good job of coding it

[limber hull]

eh

i think it's good as an AI, not so good at actually more intelligent behaviours. So basically, it's a pretty average AI.

I just think dino AI is going to absolutely ruin the immersion I once had

[hybrid matrix]

They just need to make a decision making algorithm (complicated, i know, but once theres a base it should be easy to use the algorithm for every dino)

[limber hull]

for every dino? Yea, no, legit just make some goats and crabs at that point

I do not want updates slowed down even more so they can code the unique behaviours of each and every dino into the game's AI

[barren zephyr]

I think A.I is just a complete waste of time.

[hybrid matrix]

AI should be the last thing in the game

[limber hull]

Goats and other small critters are a great idea, not only for diets but for low-populace servers, feeding very little but barely enough for survival

Dino AI will likely be clunky, immersion-breaking and easy to abuse or frustrating to be attacked by

[burnt tusk]

Is it?

[compact hare]

yes

[burnt tusk]

Lovely

[vale pawn]

literally no purpose other than to troll

[hoary dawn]

that would be a good way to handle it

[urban flax]

I just hope people won't be too pissed off at the thought of zombie dinos

[hoary dawn]

i mean we already have giant mutant godzilla dinos

[urban flax]

Well that's true

[hoary dawn]

questing for a rare herb as tribals would be fun

[urban flax]

Or for a rare dino to steal venom from

[toxic flame]

hey quick question do we know if eye color will be changeable with the skins customization

[urban flax]

Probably not as soon as skin customization drops, but maybe in the future

@stray holly I can't agree if it only affects herbivores. I don't see a reason why carnivores should be immune to disease.

[stray holly]

What’s your reasoning?

[urban flax]

Let carnis and herbis be treated the same way.

If there's disease, it's for everyone

[stray holly]

Not really. Diseases can affect one species and have no effect on another. This has been observed in nature before.

Many carnivores have been observed eating meat that’s been decaying for days in environments like the African savannah or the Amazon rainforest.

[urban flax]

Scavengers yes

Not every carni is a scavenger

[odd sedge]

But saying all herbivores can get sick and non of the carnivores is strange

[stray holly]

Ok. What if it took longer to affect a carnivore than an herbivore?

[urban flax]

That's still an unneeded separation between carnis and herbs

[stray holly]

So you think it’s ok for an herbie herd to just stand there and camp a body preventing carnis from eating from it?

[odd sedge]

Also, herbis can't always move away.
They can't drag bodies and imagine one of your hatchlings die in the nest.
You can't move the body and you can't move your nest away either

[gritty helm]

making it so that it only effects certain carni's if the body has been there for a longer period of time(lets say 15-20 min) then I could get behind it somewhat

[stray holly]

Which is why the body dragging is a mechanic. The carnis can drag the body away from the herbie nesting area in that case.

[gritty helm]

yeah, there's also griefing potential to consider

[odd sedge]

Why would carnivores and herbivores work together?

[swift dew]

what if they don't?

[stray holly]

That’s something I haven’t thought about.

[stray holly]

I don’t really view a predator dragging a corpse to a safer spot as working together with herbivores.

But I do view a herd camping a body that was killed in a hunt in order to prevent carnivores from eating as stupid.

[odd sedge]

If the corpse debuffs the herbis, why would the carnis drag the body away instead of waiting for their herbs to get weak and eat them instead?

Honestly, body guarding won't be an issue.
Diets will keep Herbis moving, thus giving them no reason to guard a body unless it's about being a jerk.
And in that case.. just move on. Go look for a meal somewhere else, utahs and carnos are fast as fck

[swift dew]

and if your something bigger just kill it

[stray holly]

You raise a good point. But a large herd of carnos/Utahs is difficult to sustain. You could work for a long time to get a body down and the herbs just deciding to camp the body out of spite doesn’t sit right with me.

[odd sedge]

A group of carnos consists of three members, how is that hard to maintain when carno is the fastest?

[stray holly]

When more AI is introduced into the game, I think the idea of running off to kill something else won’t be as big of an issue though.

[stray holly]

What server are you playing on that only has 3 carnos in a group?

[gritty helm]

that's the official group limit im pretty sure

[odd sedge]

Yeah yeah I am aware of mega packs, but large packs of carnos are not supposed to be sustainable

[stray holly]

That makes sense.

Like I said, your idea of fucking off to kill something else is good when more AI is introduced.

Maybe best to just wait for that to happen I suppose.

[hybrid matrix]

@pure fossil thats already planned

[bleak atlas]

if there are more, they are overpacking and shouldnt be able to sustain themself anyway

[pure fossil]

I remember we talked here about one Spino secondary attack and that, but as far ik or ir I didn’t saw a proper post about it suggesting that or the Devs explaining about their intentions about add secondary attack to all apexes

Can you show me the post for read it?

[hybrid matrix]

Afaik rex is getting a similar grab as allo
Giga and spino idk

[icy lion]

in the old isle discussion channel filipe talked about a grab or pin attack for rex

id say its self explanatory that spino will get a slap

giga idk, people dont talk about it much lmao

[pure fossil]

Well so then my suggestion it’s at least around their mind on their own way. Good. Only hope they think about the best way of implementing that in every apex so herbis have too their good amount of funny attacks

[swift dew]

poor giga

[tidal fjord]

@stray holly The herbis would just camp the body until it starts to decay and then leave it. That way the carnis wouldn't be able to eat as only some carnis are planned to be able to eat rotten corpses. Unless u want the body to be disease ridden without it decaying first which would make very little intuitive sense imo.

[sonic mural]

Why’d ppl put “spino?” Under my suggestion lol

[swift dew]

spino should have deino in its diet ig

[stray holly]

Which is why it should be different levels of decay for different dinos to catch diseases.

I.e after 5-10 minutes it begins to affect herbivores. 20-30 minutes in it begins to affect standard carnivores. And then the rest of its lifespan only scavenger class dinos can eat from it.

^^^Just an example of times, not an actual timeframe that’d be balanced

[tidal fjord]

Why would it affect carnivors before herbivores from a realism standpoint? Like the carnivor would be fine eating the damn thing when a herbi would catch some nasty stuff if they're near it.

[hoary dawn]

well i mean if the herbies take the time to guard a body then they'll slowly become weaker since they're not keeping their diets up, it wouldn't be worth it in the long run

[tidal fjord]

I don't think diets should be that detrimental xD

[stray holly]

Not everything in the game is going to be realistic.

[hoary dawn]

diets are meant to discourage standing in one spot so idk

[tidal fjord]

Well it shouldn't be emersion breaking either... to the point where a player has to go into a wiki to figure it out.

[stray holly]

Ontop of which, diseases can affect one species of animal and have no affect on another. It’s not that far out of a concept.

[tidal fjord]

We aren't talking about species though now are we? We're talking about carni and herbi sub groups

[stray holly]

Carnivores and Herbivores are made up of different species…

[tidal fjord]

I know but it shouldn't punish u for standing still for like 10 mins

Like things rest irl.

[hoary dawn]

well yea not for that short a time

[stray holly]

The devs said the difficulty of the game is gonna be ramped up BIG time when diets are introduced anyway.

[pulsar lantern]

@swift dew why shut reaction? kind of rude you know.

[tidal fjord]

Missed my point.

[stray holly]

What’s your point??

[tidal fjord]

Jesus... really

[stray holly]

Yes really.

[tidal fjord]

I'm done then.

[stray holly]

The way you’re talking makes it sound like you want the most realistic simulator you could ever get.

Which this game isn’t going to be in the end game.

I’m looking at it from a gameplay perspective not a simulator perspective.

[tidal fjord]

I don't know where to go from here... if u think its either full simulator or pure arcade.

[hoary dawn]

probably cuz the roster is already locked in and allo is gonna have grapple

[stray holly]

It shouldn’t be either. It has to be a balance between a good experience and a balanced game.

[tidal fjord]

I'm glad u came to that conclusion after your previous comment/s.

[stray holly]

All I’m saying is, penalize salty herbivores for corpse guarding. I think this would be a good solution for that, but if you have another method I’d like to hear it.

[pulsar lantern]

I wouldn't call it locked in when we got Deinocheirus this month. Also dinos can share mechanics too, like Herrera and Utah both having planned climbing abilities.

[urban flax]

Deinocheirus was the community dino they were planning to implement for a very long time. Now that slot is taken.

[hoary dawn]

cheirus was the last confirmed animal, and it was last month

[swift dew]

also herra is going to be great at climbing, where as utah will be able to scramble up trees, huge difference

[pulsar lantern]

So Megaraptor is great at grappling and Allo has the more mediocre grapple? I don't see how thats different from Herrera/Utah relationship

[urban flax]

That's different because Allo is getting an actual grapple, while Utah isn't getting actual climbing

[stray holly]

What exactly do you mean when you say grapple

[unreal plover]

how is that not actual climbing in utahs concept

[swift dew]

but your taking allos signature move away and giving it to something else

[tidal fjord]

Well your proposal wouldn't be very affective at doing that. The herbis could always walk out of range (and the range I'm guessing won't be too great for one body) then attack when the carni goes in for a bite.... anyway, I haven't really had this problem much. They usually give up out of boredom anyway after 10 mins or so.

[urban flax]

Climbing implies you can do more than scale 3 meters of an angled surface using momentum

[hoary dawn]

utah still has a completely different niche to herra even if they share a basic mechanic

[swift dew]

its scrambling up a smallish tree, herra is climbing big trees and jumping between them

[urban flax]

idk, what the devs have planned for Allo's ability

[unreal plover]

are they gonna code a whole new mechanic for climbing from the ground up just so utah can be worse at it

[urban flax]

Yes

[unreal plover]

no, thats an insane waste of development time and money

[hoary dawn]

wha

[urban flax]

They coded an entire new mechanic for swimming, and one for flying

Not to mention the shitload of animations and mechanics necessary for pounce

[unreal plover]

those are 2 completely different things

[pulsar lantern]

How would grappling be Allos signature move anyways. Is allo the only dino in the game allowed to use its arms when Bary, Sucho and others also have long arms?

[urban flax]

They're all locomotion methods

[unreal plover]

which are completely unrelated

[swift dew]

since when is a grapple the only way to use your arms?

[urban flax]

So what ? Climbing is too similar to walking on a flat surface for you ?

[pulsar lantern]

For predators its a very straightforward purpose for arms

[icy lion]

yes, actually, its confirmed

[stray holly]

Oof

[unreal plover]

show proof? climbing recoded to be worse

[urban flax]

There is currently no climbing in the game, what are you talking about ?

[swift dew]

so slapping and pinning things are completly irrelvent ways to use your arms?

[hoary dawn]

once they code in tree climbing they can tweak it and give it to different animals to server different purposes, herra being the most adapted to tree climbing and utah having a less impressive shamble up

[icy lion]

the concept arts and punch's comments on utahraptor climbing

like filipe had said, once the base mechanic is implemented, its easier to apply it to other creatures with some variations

[unreal plover]

thats literally confirming what i was saying

you're arguing with me about nothing

[icy lion]

the swimming that came with deinosuchus serves as a baseline for other semi aquatic critters, just like flight

[pulsar lantern]

Doesn't mean only one dino should be allowed to do one of those things. Should Theri not slap because Deinocheirus will?

[icy lion]

what?

[unreal plover]

Anomalocaris — Today at 3:34 PM
are they gonna code a whole new mechanic for climbing from the ground up just so utah can be worse at it

that was my original statement

they're gonna take the base of herreras climbing and rework it for utah

[hoary dawn]

they are coding climbing, so that there can be climbing animals

[unreal plover]

that would make the most sense

[icy lion]

i thought that was obvious

lmao

[unreal plover]

apparently not to some people

[swift dew]

slapping is far more universal, your taking two creatures of relativly the same size and giving them both the same exact mechanic, this leads to copies which is not good in a survival game.

[icy lion]

youre literally all talking about the same thing

[unreal plover]

regardless a similar concept could be applied to megaraptor and allo grappling

[icy lion]

megaraptor isnt coming

[urban flax]

But we don't need megaraptor to replace allo
It isn't better

[icy lion]

at the very least, not until the game is finished

[unreal plover]

with allo being more generalized with some grappling capability, while megaraptor could be all in arm based combat specialist

[urban flax]

We even less need both of them

[pulsar lantern]

??? How are Deinocheirus and Theri not copies then by that definition.

[swift dew]

also you said allo would have balance issues? where would those come from? the only thing I see allo having balance issues with is magy and that is a magy problem as it also has those issues with alberto

[icy lion]

filipe has also mentioned rex getting a pin attack which would likely be mechanically similar, but that was in the old #isle-discussion

[hoary dawn]

cheirus and theri have completely different niches, just because they could share a mechanic does not make them copies, the issue with your suggestion is you didn't say what megaraptor's niche could be that makes it different from allo

[pulsar lantern]

@swift dew Sticking it in Evrima, especially if you let it pack in there. At which point it's just gonna be the new Carno and megapack obliterate everything.

[swift dew]

I already said slaps are far more universal, its like saying oh utahraptor has a bite, so carno can't have one too

[icy lion]

a slap is just an attack

nothing super special

[unreal plover]

all theropods have mouths, not all of them or even a large majority of them have large arms with big claws used for combat

[pulsar lantern]

I'll probably make a complete suggestion for it later, but Megaraptor would serve well as a small prey specialist, given it's ability to snatch up things with it's arms.

[swift dew]

anyway I take this back, megaraptor is smaller than I thought. not the slapping is more universal though, that still stands

[unreal plover]

spinosaurids could use their arms for catching fish and fending off predators, megaraptor and allo would have arms for taking down land based prey in an ambush/pursuit situation

[urban flax]

Like Carno's niche ?

[pulsar lantern]

Yeah, but actually capable of it.

[urban flax]

So instead of balancing Carno so that it's better at taking down small prey, just make an entire new species to fill that role and render Carno useless ?

I'm not entirely sure it is a good idea

[unreal plover]

or allow carno to tackle larger prey and give its charge a wider range of uses

[swift dew]

well snatching things up wouldn't be a grapple, not as I imagine it at least

[urban flax]

So that it can render Alberto and Allo useless

Oh and Utah too, since Utah's thing is to be fast and take down large prey

[pulsar lantern]

Can't balance Carno to be better at taking down small prey without erasing some of it's defining characteristics, like turning badly.

[urban flax]

Which carno would then do better

[unreal plover]

no, alberto would be a rushdown predator that ambushes its prey and takes it down quickly, allo would have bleed and claw attacks that would allow it to wear down large prey over time

[swift dew]

or you can make its charge turn slightly easier to make it so you can actually hit things with it

[urban flax]

Then it doesn't need to be better
It's actually pretty good at doing it anyway
It's just too good at taking down large prey

[swift dew]

well thats partly because the large prey (stego) is pretty bad rn

[pulsar lantern]

How is it good at doing it, I can run circles around a Carno pack as a Utah until they run out of stam. If anything Utah is better at hunting small prey than Carno. You can sneak up on anything with quiet footsteps and oneshot it with a pounce pin. And then your ability is still usable on larger prey too.

[unreal plover]

idk carnos poor charge turn is kind of a staple of its kit, the whole idea is that hypo carno will give it better turning mid charge

[urban flax]

Then it just needs a better charge so it can actually take things by surprise.

[swift dew]

hypers have nothing to do with the balance of the regular animals

[pulsar lantern]

A better charge doesn't make a 2 ton dino stop making stomping sounds, or allow it to match the agility of smaller dinos

[unreal plover]

which is another reason it makes sense for taking down larger prey, less maneuverable glass cannon type kit, able to run fast and eat ass but cant turn to save its life, small prey literally just specialize in being able to out-turn carno and force it to skid everywhere constantly

[unreal plover]

the point im trying to make is that carnos bad turning is a specialty of its kit, which makes it inherintly worse for taking down small prey that just gets out of the way while the carnos loses all its stam

[swift dew]

how much stamina does carno have?

[unreal plover]

[urban flax]

But it allows it to kill them if it manages to get it right
Or make it easier to land the charge correctly, a lot of people have already given solutions for it that don't involve completely changing carno's niche and falling into a vortex of needing to change species niches to avoid clones

[unreal plover]

carnos charge is a matter of luck, landing it requires your prey to be totally deaf to your approach

not impossible but unreliable at best

[swift dew]

but carnos speed allows it to force the engagement for however long its stamina lasts, so you have a full minute (or is it 90seconds) of time to force a mistake out of your prey, and as humans being humans, is quite likely to happen

[stray holly]

It’s not hard to use a few carnos as a distraction while another member sneaks around the target and charges it.

I’ve done it many times before.

[unreal plover]

which then defeats the point of the charge, as you'd already have 2-3 carnos vs a singular target

[pulsar lantern]

Niches don't even equate into similar playstyle though. If two species hunt the same things but do it differently that's different gameplay. What's bad is shoehorning dinos into being "Specialists" that will just give you no reason to pick them over "Generalist" dinos.

[unreal plover]

if they try to hold their ground against that they're dead regardless

[urban flax]

Unless specialists are better at doing their specific thing than generalists...

[stray holly]

Carnos are ambush predators in the first place so as a singular carno to pull it off it can be difficult.

[unreal plover]

how does being an ambush predator differentiate it from alberto or allo in that case

[pulsar lantern]

Pointless if generalists already have the potential to get the job done just as well if not better then the specialist. Case in point Utah and how it will pin pounce half the small dinos in evrima.

[unreal plover]

it's just a worse ambush predator because it has lower base stats and needs to focus on small stuff, a predator with more "bulk" would just do the same thing without the charge, just 1 shot cripple with injury or effective 1 shot with ludicrous bleed

[swift dew]

well its a good thing that not much is going to 1 hit cripple you, or 1 hit bleed you out, unless that thing is much bigger than you. or anky

[urban flax]

"If the generalist has the potential to do it better than the specialist". When I tell you horses are larger than dogs, you answer me "not if the dog is larger than the horse". Also we were talking about why megaraptor is useless for the game, not about the fact the balance of this beta version of a game isn't perfect.

[unreal plover]

i highly suspect a tenontos ability to run away would be severely hindered if an alberto bites it on the leg, or if an allo rips an artery

[swift dew]

also if you get a generalist that does better than a specialist then you have a shitshow of a balance issue known as legacy allo.

[honest sparrow]

“Anything spy can do sniper does better, sniper does everything better than spy”

[unreal plover]

theres no current indication that evrima is doing any better on that front

the only reason carno is where it is in balance right now is due to a mechanical oversight with utahs pounce that makes it useless

[pulsar lantern]

The balance for this game translates into how future dino additions will be handled. Megaraptor relates in that way. Megaraptor isn't useless when it already has unique features to serve addition as a unique playable.

[honest sparrow]

Unless allo is in the game

Or bary

[urban flax]

But it doesn't since we're gonna have Allo

[unreal plover]

except allo would just generally be worse for doing what you want it to do compared to megaraptor

[urban flax]

And you base that off what..?

[pulsar lantern]

Allo doesn't have Megaraptors arms, there's a pretty big difference between the anatomy of their forelimbs.

[urban flax]

[honest sparrow]

Ok but how exactly does that differ in gameplay and balance

[unreal plover]

speechless at the sight of megaraptors chad arms

[urban flax]

Well this is going nowhere, I gotta go to sleep anyways

[unreal plover]

allo would rely less on its arms compared to megaraptor, being supplementary to its kit while megaraptors kit would revolve around the use of its absurdly beefly arms

[pulsar lantern]

Having better performance and more reliance on grapple based abilities, which would translate into having different pros and cons compared to Allo.

[unreal plover]

allos kit would revolve more around mid-large game persistence hunting while megaraptor would be rushdown and end its engagements with other mid sized animals quickly using its bulky arms

[honest sparrow]

The slight variation of “this one uses its arms slightly more, and this one bites slightly more” seems a bit cringe to me

[swift dew]

or we could just not add more creatures to the already bloated roster

[unreal plover]

i mean the idea of "slight" is entirely from your own head

[honest sparrow]

I mean you said one just bites more and the other swipes more

Also if we’re going the ambush vs endurance route, we have Alberto

[unreal plover]

which is exactly why megaraptor should be added instead of allo, as megaraptor would fit better with evrimas current cast of playables

[honest sparrow]

Allo and mega are both fine compared to the rest of the roster

[swift dew]

yes, the current cast maybe, not the future one

[honest sparrow]

It’s just allo has the adv of actually being in the game

[pulsar lantern]

I wouldn't say Allo is close to being in the game when it's not even on the roadmap.

[unreal plover]

in legacy sure, practically speaking its on the same level as megaraptor from the perspective of evrima, if the massive graveyard of unused isle models is any indication

allo is just a rigged and skinned model for the purposes of evrima as of right now, and these have consistently been proven to be among the easiest steps of developing a new playable

[swift dew]

no it isnt, there is a list of 56 animals coming to the game and that list isnt expanding any time soon. that list includes allo

[honest sparrow]

It’s gonna be in the game my guy, it might come later than most, but it’s modeled, it has work done on it, it’s locked in for the roster, it even shows up in other creature’s concept art

Mega has one piece of concept art back when the game was brand new

And those were strains

[unreal plover]

concept art is even more meaningless, it shows intent and nothing else

[unreal plover]

we have strains and default megaraptoran

[feral solstice]

It shows what they plan for the dinosaur, so it’s not meaningless

It’s concept art, and they wouldn’t make concept art for something that won’t be added.

[honest sparrow]

Ignoring the fact that I pointed out it has a model, new anims being worked on, and is actually confirmed to be in the game

[pulsar lantern]

It will be in sure, but you can't say when. The Isle devs toss out animations and models like candy, I only consider a playable to have progress towards release when we see work and confirmations on its mechanics. We know next to nothing about Allo or grapple compared to pachy for instance.

[feral solstice]

What models did they toss out though

[unreal plover]

ignoring the history of isle that show that they frequently model, rig and in some cases begin animating creatures and then stop work on them to move onto other playables

[feral solstice]

So that still means they’re in development lol

Which also means they can come to the game

[unreal plover]

i dont think they've truly tosses out any models except dakotaraptor i think

[feral solstice]

Yeah prob

[honest sparrow]

Ofc I can’t say when, I’m not a damn dev, the only models I’ve seen tossed out are the ones from like prog days, the only exceptions to this rule are Cory and Dakota, which were scrapped far earlier in development than allo

[unreal plover]

stopping development doesnt mean i think they're cancelled, just put on the back burner

[honest sparrow]

And then pue

[feral solstice]

cory was confirmed pretty sure

[unreal plover]

they confirm a lot of stuff and then dont do anything with it

wheres plateo

[honest sparrow]

cory is probably in a carchar situation where it’s most likely a skin

[unreal plover]

pachyrhino

[honest sparrow]

Plateo’s confirmed

And pachyrhino

[feral solstice]

^

^

[swift dew]

confirmed, so is plateo