general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

True. Issue is that carnivores just end up fighting other carnivores because of the plains issue. Where most of the game takes place in massive plains, and the carnivores just PvP in there and herbivores sit on the outskirts because there is zero insentive to hunt

[karmic plank]

Dino Fortnight is an excellent way to sum up what some people here want

[vast mortar]

literally the only time ive ever had fun as a herbi is when you get everyone to migrate aside from that herds just sit in bushes and do jack shit. Add in a migration mechanic that incentivize moving around.

[cyan flame]

Now you're getting it!

[zinc rivet]

man i'd also play carnivores more if there were more herbivores

[karmic plank]

Lets be real, unless carni is just too hard the majority of people will always want to play carni

[zinc rivet]

Utah and Carno are rly fun to play but its not fun to play them in a world of only predators

when my only prey options are just Utahs and other Carnos it hurts my immersion

[limber hull]

I love the idea of herbivores, but food is just too easy to access as herbi and it's too easy to just grow without risk for me to actually enjoy them

carnivore forces people to get into the fight

Walk into danger zones

[karmic plank]

AI food sources has to happen for two reasons: 1. low population servers and 2. Farming noobs for food isn't a long term reliable source

atm most food I get is either idiots or suicides

[limber hull]

this is true, however, I simply don't think it needs to be dino

[karmic plank]

Personally i kinda hope humans are never added, don't want stinky mammals in my dino game... but I get why they want to

[cyan flame]

It doesn't have to be dinos, we can do with only other animals, as long as there's for every size and style and all that.

[vast mortar]

to be fair this is a tale as old as the game is. herbi has been pretty not fun for most of the life of the game and yet there hasnt been any significant change to make them desirable

[karmic plank]

Any great ideas, lol?

I don't think its actually possible personally

[cyan flame]

It might, when death is painful and survival matters

[limber hull]

i really want humans to be added but really underpowered

i want horror sim

[cyan flame]

When/if herbis survives easier, carnivores have it harder, it might make them slightly more popular. But it's less about the difficulty, and more the value of dying of old age I would say.

[karmic plank]

Herbis are already stoopid easy to play

[limber hull]

i agree, herbis are baby

[vast mortar]

yes migration mechanic. Buff group leader or "alpha" of herd. incentivize protecting the young and the rest of the herd

[limber hull]

its why i like diets conceptually

[cyan flame]

When we have actual survival Wave :p

[karmic plank]

stegos are psychotic because they go mad with boredom, lol

[limber hull]

requires you to actually fucking MOVE

[cyan flame]

Which we do not at the moment at all ^^

But it's less about being easy and more the end goal I'd say

[limber hull]

herbis are so fucking rotbrain

[cyan flame]

You need something to want to live for

[limber hull]

i cant play them

[zinc rivet]

i move all the time because staying in a single spot is boring and mind numbing

[limber hull]

i really really want herbis to have goals, special foods, etc

[cyan flame]

Oh I agree, much as I love my stego, I can't deal with growing one, I assure you I look forward to diets too :p

But that itself won't fix it I don't think

[karmic plank]

I don't mind playing something a bit chill that I can laze around and talk shit with... but that is deino is for

[cyan flame]

We need those other goals, and end life goals, both for carni and herbi really

[limber hull]

stego migrations are some of the coolest thing i've seen in this game

so majestic

[karmic plank]

herbi I always end up just doing suicide charges

[cyan flame]

No fair, I've not been part of one, or seen one! Where were you playing? :p

[karmic plank]

I played a lot of trike back in legacy in the RP servers, was fun hanging out and raising young and shit but idk

[vast mortar]

its simple change but the biggest problem with herbis is the ability just just be content anywhere. with diets and migration it switches up what they have to do to survive rather than edge camp

[karmic plank]

I can't think how you could get migration enforced without something really janky though

long regen on food, maybe, but that's unreliable

[vast mortar]

i dont think you have to enfore it per say rather make them want to do it

[karmic plank]

random annoying plant dieouts maybe, but that's janky af

[limber hull]

I think steg needs to eat way more

Just utterly destroys local flora

Has to migrate

[karmic plank]

steg should be able to eat all the groundcover that others hide in

maximum troll

[zinc rivet]

and have a mobile tail swipe

[vast mortar]

now whether they can pull this off with it being jank is another question entirely

[limber hull]

gonna be honest

mobile tail strike could be nice

more abilities for stegs should be cool

[karmic plank]

steg needs something... I mean a stego-spider would be a nightmare to attack but solo and duo stegs are just easy carno food

[zinc rivet]

less range, maybe a bit less damage, also cost stam but it's mobile so less commitment. Far too many times have Utahs or Carnos bit my but and my tail swung too late to kill em

only happened like three times but thats far too many for a Stegosaurus

[vast mortar]

but at the same time with their recent announcements we really dont have to worry about apex preds or large preds in general for awhile

it should give them time to focus on herbis and their mechanics more

[cyan flame]

Which also means stego might remain.. "AI" model or whatever the reason for it's curents stats are, most likely at least

[zinc rivet]

whats stego spider??

[karmic plank]

bunch of stegos all touching noses and tails out

[zinc rivet]

ohhh

[brisk skiff]

A wheel of death as some may call it

[karmic plank]

used to do it with trikes back in legacy, except all bums touching obv

[zinc rivet]

also just stay near trees and Carnos can't do shit. Unless I'm with at least one other Stego I don't like going out into open grasslands like Center for my own safety

[karmic plank]

Yeah I got into a big standoff as a stego with a pair of carnos, parked my nose into some trees and played pin the tail on the carno

problem is they only need one bite to start the bleed, and any hits I get they can back off and heal

and there is no possible way to escape

every carnivore has some way to escape combat, big herbis are fight or die

[zinc rivet]

try to make your way to forestry or dont go far in grasslands in the first place?

environmental balancing is allot more significant than ppl realize

i dont find it fair when ppl stand out in the middle of Center and then complain about getting ran down by Carnos

[karmic plank]

I was in a forest, i held them off for a while, got half a dozen hits but eventually they got a bite on me and I had no way to stop the bleeding

[zinc rivet]

like u stepped into it's prime territory

o what

[karmic plank]

you gotta lie down or wallow

all they need to do is keep hassling you and you bleed out eventually

[zinc rivet]

ah

n thas why Stego should get a mobile tail swipe

[karmic plank]

I ended up getting bored and feeding myself to a croc

[zinc rivet]

faster so u can fuck carnos easier

haha power move

[karmic plank]

leg breaks will fix that issue I think anyway

[vast mortar]

well i mean that checks out lone herbivores are prime candidates for slaughter

[karmic plank]

Yeah, not saying I should of been able to win

but lone carno = yeet yourself away across the plains

lone utah = juke the trees

lone ptera = fly away

lone deino = swim

lone herbi = ??

[vast mortar]

herd up and destroy them

dont be alone

it doesnt suit herbivores to be alone

thats true in nature aswell

[karmic plank]

I've been part of a utah pack hassling a GOOD teno/stego pair

it was a giant stalemate

they couldn't run away, we couldn't get a kill, it was basically "fight until the utahs get bored and wander off"

It just feels like every carni has way more control over engagements

[cyan flame]

They do, they're faster

Whoever has the speed controls the engagement

Barring deino because they can go into water and ignore you, so they can't be forced into a confrontation in the same way

[brisk skiff]

That's just the nature of offense vs defense though, the attacker almost always dictates the pace of the fight

[vast mortar]

well they should realistically. they are the one doing the engaging.

[karmic plank]

Yeah but if a carno attacks a utah... the utah can escape

[cyan flame]

Which is why offense needs to be far harder than defense, and defensive critters need a more permanent way to put something down

Either directly by damage, or by causing such massive bleed that even with wallowing/resting, you'll end up with 10% or so left, with all the effects that have on stamina/health regen and that

[vast mortar]

herd buff + herd leader solve this problem

[cyan flame]

Doubtful, solo, not to mention I suspect carni packs will have leaders and buffs too, no?

[karmic plank]

I'd personally like to see things closer to your big cats in Africa - the carnivores are faster, stronger, but have way less endurance

[vast mortar]

i think that would go on a dino by dino basis with carnis

[karmic plank]

so they rely on ambushing, and if you can juke and evade for long enough you can get away as a herbi

[cyan flame]

Maybe with better CC then

So you can sort of keep them away and then either retaliate or be on your way when they're worn out and can barely do basic attacks

Not all herbis run after all, so there is that too

[karmic plank]

basically: herbis that aren't zoomers (like dryo, hypsi) can win wars of attrition

[oak tapir]

@strange wave wym ❌ , Why shouldn't hypsi have a kick

[karmic plank]

atm it's the other way around, carnos and utahs will always win if a fight drags on long enough

[strange wave]

ok so
hypsi

runner

dryo

runner

WHY DO YOU WANT THEM TO FIGHT

[oak tapir]

Bc its fucking logical

[strange wave]

no it isnt

[oak tapir]

They have legs

[strange wave]

its not logical

its dumb

[vast mortar]

yo i have legs too

[oak tapir]

Hypsi has daggers on it's feey

[karmic plank]

dryos can fight things their own size, lol

[strange wave]

and only serves to make dryo more like galli

[strange wave]

so does carno, does it kick?

[karmic plank]

I love going baby carno hunting with a dryo

[strange wave]

does utah kick?

does theri kick?

[oak tapir]

Carno can't jump and would be fucking dumb as hell

[oak tapir]

Utah uses its claws , pounce

[brisk skiff]

A rabbit will run from a dog but kick box another rabbit, it is very logical

[strange wave]

yeah great
this is also a video game, and thats like, a sparring thing, like trikes locking horns, which will probably already be a thing
so, no real reason for a kick

[karmic plank]

If we are talking realism... hyspi is like a chicken or a turkey - they have claws, and they can do real damage with them, but not to anything significantly bigger than themselves

unless it's a dumfuk human

[oak tapir]

Would it be unrealistic to see a hypsi run and kick a juvie carno ?

[strange wave]

very

[oak tapir]

like jump and kick

[strange wave]

because that is a stupid thing for the hypsi to do

[oak tapir]

That ur argument ?

[vast mortar]

so here is a question do we really delay other content to rework the hypsi which was literally just created. and if we do does anyone actually play it

[oak tapir]

"its stupid "

[strange wave]

yes

it is stupid

[karmic plank]

Plus small avian combat is all verticality and fast attacks and stuff that would be nigh impossible to code into TI

[brisk skiff]

I don't think anyone is asking for a hypsi to be able to defend itself from large dinos, but something similar in size to it I think it'd very much fight to defend itself

[strange wave]

hypsi is going to climb
jump
spit
and build massive ewok villages

dryo is going to burrow, and get a complete overhaul, which does not involve making it into a combat animal

[oak tapir]

Currently its shit , dryo is more agile than it !

[strange wave]

you have a peck for that, so you can attack the 2 animals around your size

[strange wave]

great

currently it doesnt have 2 of its 4 abilities

its an unfinished animal

[karmic plank]

gotta admit tho

pretty af

#1 on the cute scale

especially that sniff animation

[strange wave]

it isnt

hypsi is a cockroach

[karmic plank]

you take that back

[brisk skiff]

You're just factually wrong now

[strange wave]

#1 cutest animal is minmi and you cannot change my mind on that

[karmic plank]

look ok

[strange wave]

also oro > hypsi

[karmic plank]

you have a point

but they aren't in evrima

[strange wave]

yet

[karmic plank]

hypsi is a meme atm and I think that's ok... but it's also taking 1 of the four herbi slots and I think we need

something better

[strange wave]

3/4 herbis are incomplete

3/4 carnis are incomplete

[karmic plank]

eh?

[strange wave]

6 animals are getting new abilities

[karmic plank]

utah is fine, ptera is fine

carno is a bit weird

[brisk skiff]

Yeah, hypsi is taking the slot of an actually fun animal, hypsi is fun for like 5 minutes

[karmic plank]

deino is divisive

[strange wave]

ptera is getting clinging
utah is getting climbing

[karmic plank]

eeehhhhhh

[strange wave]

and deino is getting its vertical lunge

carno is the only complete carnivore

[karmic plank]

ewut

[primal jewel]

Vertical lunge?

[strange wave]

and even then its getting changed

[karmic plank]

why does deino need vertical lunge

why does ptera need cling

i dun geddit

[vast mortar]

to cling to cliffs and such

[karmic plank]

is it a bat now

[karmic plank]

yeah OK, you raise a compelling point

[primal jewel]

That looks pretty cool

[strange wave]

thats the vertical lunge

[primal jewel]

What's being added to the Herbis?

[karmic plank]

I guess that 2 ton of muscle they have in that tail should be good for something

ptera don't need to be made into bats though

[brisk skiff]

Herbi's are always the forgotten aspect, they get nothing

[karmic plank]

I say this as someone who mained ptera for a while

they have too many safe roosts already

[strange wave]

dryo is getting completely redone as a playable, with burrows
stego is getting complete tail control whatever that means
and hypsi is getting climbing, and structure building in trees, and probably major changes to its spit

[karmic plank]

and too much safe water

[strange wave]

that will change

very quickly

[primal jewel]

I guess Ptera and Utah being able to climb makes sense, so that Herra doesn't just get the trees all to itself

[primal jewel]

Ah cool

[karmic plank]

OK yeah I guess I do want a leopard utah

idk about jumping

but climbing yes

[strange wave]

thats a herrera doing the jumping, the upper 2 animals are herreras

the lower one is a utah

and utah, at least as an adult, isnt a very good climber

its more running up a tree as long as you can

[brisk skiff]

Still qualifies as a leopard

[primal jewel]

Is there a place I can find all the concept art together or do I have to scroll up in a discord channel for ages?

[karmic plank]

here in australia we have big monitor lizards (up to 90kg / 200 lb) wich can fly up trees

but they never jump

[strange wave]

roadmap has most of them, i have all of them saved, so i can send the missing ones

[primal jewel]

Hello fellow Aussie

[karmic plank]

be good to see the trees used for more than just dodging carnos

[karmic plank]

👋

I think tree climbing and jumping would be a good thing to give a smaller feathered raptor

utahs don't need more agility imo

they are the size of a horse

[primal jewel]

Is the concept art just for the Trello roster or have they done stuff for other creatures as well?

[strange wave]

homalo and minmi have also got concept art for them

i'll dm the missing ones to you

[vast mortar]

gottta love that concept art

[karmic plank]

[vast mortar]

remember the ole concept art of the giant strain tree

[karmic plank]

I never saw that - don't suppose you can find it again?

[vast mortar]

most of the good ideas this game has had will never leave the concept art stage and its sad

gimme a sec ill see if i can find it

[karmic plank]

Good looking games cost big money, maybe one day TI will be popular enough to bankroll what we all want from it but I'm not betting on it

Yo @primal jewel The idea to add areas that deino can move to but not drink in is actually a pretty good one imo

and big rivers could help divide up the "biomes" that the devs want too

[vast mortar]

TI has definitely made big money at this point. its just a matter of them not moving the goalpost so far and reworking everything every other year but unfortunately that is the cycle we are in.

also apparently this pic i was talking about just ceases to exist anymore

[karmic plank]

[vast mortar]

you may be able to go back to one of anthomnias old strain videos to find a bunch of the old strain concepts

[karmic plank]

The rework needed to happen not just to fix what was broken, but to make future additions quicker and easier

I know what it's like to try and maintain poorly written code... it can actually be quicker in the long run to burn it all and start over

like trying to renovate a really rundown house

sometimes you just gotta admit defeat and start over

I do agree that there is a danger of being too ambitious and them never actually getting it done

[vast mortar]

Im not gonna argue whether the rework needed to be done or not cause i dont know a damn thing about coding. It was however a year and a half without any content only to be followed by another year of very minimal content. To me it does not seem like it has sped up development in anyway rather slow it down and honestly with recent news doesn't even seem like they know where they want things to go with it all. I fuck with the ambition i really do because its how we progress but we are almost at 6 years since the game launched and we have less content than we did 3 years ago with a seemingly bleak and slow future ahead of us.

[karmic plank]

I 100% understand where you are coming from, but I think it's worth comparing TI to some of the other early access indie survival games out there

[strange wave]

i might have it saved

[karmic plank]

When I stopped playing in like 2018 I assumed the game was going to get abandoned and never really planned to come back

add it to 7 Days to Die and all that ilk

it's actually a real surprise that it's even being worked on at all

It's really hard to name another indie game on a scale of TI which has had this much work put in without asking for money as DLC

[strange wave]

i do not

[vast mortar]

i found what seems to be a draft drawing of it but not including the hypo spoon that was in the picture

[strange wave]

send it

[karmic plank]

If Ubisoft, EA, any of the big studios were in charge of it... Evrima would have been named The Isle 2 and charged at full price

and extra dinos would be payed DLC

allo for $7

etc

[strange wave]

and they wouldnt bother with making the game function well or look good, just slap a crappy system in place and call it done

[vast mortar]

well ea wouldve just abandon it

[karmic plank]

look at shit like Just Cause, new map a couple of mechanics and charge full price

I want TI done yesterday too but I also respect the ethics of the studio. There's a lot of valid criticism going around atm but I think people need to keep that in mind

[vast mortar]

there it is

[strange wave]

those 2 pixels next to the hyper spino are a human

[karmic plank]

nice

[vast mortar]

blast from the past

[karmic plank]

hell yeah

I'd love to see way more interesting ancient trees rather than just... Generic Jungle: Not Quite Vietnam Edition

there was more than just ferns 80 mya

[vast mortar]

im not gonna dive into studio ethics because that will take us down a a rabbit hole. i respect that they are trying to finish the game its just a matter of when/if do we get back to the amount of diversity and content we had before. But forreal though i appreciate the dialog.

Alot of the time people just reeeee screech and say oh your just hating blah blah blah so it was nice for once to share opinions

[wanton hull]

@woven solar I believe its because if we had every single dino on the same map there would be a lot of players that would never interact I.E. Dryo, rex, deino, ptera, herra and humans. Like imagine it like this, youve got 100 players on the server. 10 people are playing humans and 15 are playing small creatures like utah and teno. thats 1/4 of the server population that wont interact with the rest of the player base.

another case would be if you wanted to play the megalania but nobody is playing any burrowers on the server then you cant play megalania.

[hoary dawn]

i want

give

herra city

[steel dock]

is anyone willing to paste my idea into the general feedback? i already accidentally posted so im on the cooldown

and im not patient enough to wait five hours 😅

i feel like it'd make it somewhat more terrifying and awesome if when a fully adult Apex broadcasts, and the ambient sounds randomly die down for just a few seconds around them and for other players in the general vicinity. Not enough to make the sounds of the other players be much easier to pick up for the carnivores (i feel like that could also be a cool mechanic, but very abusable if implemented wrong), but just enough to make a their(apex's) presence known. Of course there'd be a cooldown afterwards if they stayed in the same place, as if the ambient creatures "got it the first time around". It'd give the apex's a more intimidating feel and a cool sense of grandeur for the players who survived long enough to finally get to that point. Also i jus think itd be really cool if when you get to adulthood, you could do a "victory roar" as youve finally reached your status as Apex. TLDR: make it so that playing as an Apex feels MORE awesome.

[barren zephyr]

My cool down is on too but that sounds awesome

Does anyone have the Trello link for the isle roadmap

[hoary dawn]

that's already a thing with large animal broadcasts

[hoary dawn]

https://trello.com/b/G5tsb4XI/public-roadmap

[barren zephyr]

Thank you

[hasty dagger]

Taming in this game is already confirmed to an extent. As far as we know, it’ll be more akin to slavery though. Beating an animal into submission and shoving hooks into it for control, basically keeping it on the edge of death and in constant suffering . This might have changed by now internally though, but this is what I’ve gathered

[barren zephyr]

Oof I hope it's changed that's a little to brutal kids play the game too

[icy lion]

theyre not meant to

[hasty dagger]

Yeah, it’s not meant to be exactly a kid friendly game^

[icy lion]

its always been planned to be a gory survival horror

[barren zephyr]

I know but that doesn't mean kids would be given permission or sneak game time with it and give themselves nightmares

[icy lion]

and?

[safe galleon]

it's their fault for playing a game not meant for them then

@pure fossil what are thooooose

[barren zephyr]

Mutant toe

Or foot

[pure fossil]

Enough for pick a baby Utah, a human and a dryo if I’m honest. But you should note that when I say ptera I mean quetz and all the big flyers dinos

[hasty dagger]

Should probably edit your suggestion to reflect that^

[barren zephyr]

Ya

[pure fossil]

As soon I can I do it. Don’t worry

[icy lion]

quetz feet look the same

human feet are better at grabbing than theirs

[hoary dawn]

what is company

[icy lion]

he means "quetz and others"

but we dont really have others

so

[hoary dawn]

the eagle

[safe galleon]

not confirmed

and it sucks so

[hoary dawn]

utah clone

[pure fossil]

Their feets are totally capable of picks things. And its a good cliche. I really don’t see inconsistency on let them grab small preys with them

[icy lion]

theyre not

like i said, less capable of grabbing than a human's

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Gfp-quetzalcaotlus.jpg/1200px-Gfp-quetzalcaotlus.jpg

[hoary dawn]

and not to mention they still have to be able to carry the weight, quetz would only be able to pick up really small stuff like juvies and ptera would at most be able to carry like a compy

[pure fossil]

Mmm maybe you te right. But looking other inconsistent dinos like the Spino, strongly influenced by JP, I repeat, I see not su much problems on let flyers on grab small dinos like babies, compis etc and actually will make funnier play ptera or quetz. If they can kill juvies one shooting them, why don’t give them another way of do something? But it’s only my opinion

[honest sparrow]

You know they say they would be less effective mixpackers

And then I remember Maia

And shant

And I say Na

[paper oriole]

I mean that was legacy tho, maia had a similar problem as galli where it had speed and could use attacks while running at no cost

And shant for some reason was a sprinter

[honest sparrow]

shant might even be more of a juggernaut now

and frankly I have no idea how they are gonna balance maia

so we'll see

[paper oriole]

If he cant zoom up to large animals and stomp their face in like legacy shant did he's probably fine

Like that rear up and stamp down didnt even loom right

[honest sparrow]

not to mention the black hole

[paper oriole]

Maia i think could stay as a speedcow i think. fast, good endurance and health, but subpar agility and if he headbutts while running it interrupts his acceleration

So he can’t just go kill spree on dilo packs so easily like in legacy

[honest sparrow]

aw man

[paper oriole]

Though it was fun to run into docks and kill some utahs and then dip

[tawny juniper]

Ptera was incapable of picking things up in real life, and would be out the question unable to do it ingame

JP/JW was way off

Quetz wouldn't be much different

You'd be better off just picking stuff up with your beak

Which is also unlikely due to pteras small size and low weight

quetz could probably pick up smaller things like an adolescent raptor at best

This kid is seconds away from being thrown into the fifth dimension

[honest sparrow]

Lmao quetz punching shit

[gritty helm]

honestly if we can get a galloping sauropod a boxing quetz is not too out of the ordinary lmao

[paper oriole]

Imagine it just smashing a compy with its fist lmao

[gritty helm]

Ashita no Quetz lets fucking goooooooooo

[barren zephyr]

I kinda want it

[honest sparrow]

Falcon punch

[karmic plank]

Birds (ptera, quetz and co) should be able to grab (on the wing) and carry prey up to 1/5th their weight in their beak at the cost of increased stamina to fly and glide, imo. Real life birds of prey can carry prey their own weight (108% for a bald eagle f.e.) for small periods of time, but they carry with their feet which is way less disruptive on their CoG.

Ptera already grab and carry the little fish, I'd like it scaled to include other small prey.

I've played carni ptera (living without fish) and you can do it but having to eat the food where you kill it - or watch it sink to the bottom of the river - sucks kinds hard.

[paper oriole]

How would it hold shit with its little wing fingers while flying

[karmic plank]

In its beak

Like they do for fish right now

[paper oriole]

Ptera could maybe carry a compy

It already looks dumb carrying live juv utahs who are pouncing

[karmic plank]

Baby Utah, juvy dryo maybe

More significant for Quetzalcoatl which I assume won't be fishers

1/5th ptera weight is 18kg for a FG, that's a reasonable selection of baby dinos and not unrealistic

[honest sparrow]

I had a random thought

what if ptera could skim small enough targets and pick them up

its niche yes

and that's the point

[karmic plank]

That's exactly what I'm after, not skim so much but bit and grab like other carnis do

Like I said real world predator birds can usually carry prey their own weight and still get airborne with it, it's not that unrealistic for ptera to grab something like 1/5th

[honest sparrow]

also I feel as though it would be easier for quetz if it smacked shit with its wings

[karmic plank]

I'd like to see them with an alt attack where they swing and bash with their wing knuckles, they run and launch using them so they'd be reasonably tough

[honest sparrow]

I really don't feel anything small enough would appreciate getting smacked with a airplane sized wingspan of muscle

[karmic plank]

Be interesting to be able to knock over 2 legged dinos and get a window to peck them while they clamber back to their feet

@steel dock it's a good idea and legacy had that - the big roars almost defeaned you for a few seconds - but you will likely cop some ❌ because of how much 1 call spam carnos like to do.

If you want your 1 call to have even more effect it needs to cost stamina imo

Also adult apex 1 broadcasts need to have more bass. If you've ever been near an adult lion when they roar, you can feel it in your chest and it is awe inspiring. Let's see those subwoofers work for their money when big carnis get frisky

[tawny juniper]

@barren zephyr is there a chance you could draw or animate something to show quetz punching in a way that would be effective and not look weird

[karmic plank]

They support themselves when standing on their wing knuckles, so I imagine it would look the same as a human elbowing someone in the jaw. Swing the elbow/knuckle up as their body starts to lean over a bit, then quickly drop it back down a bit further out from their body to catch themselves and then readjust back to normal standing posture

It won't be a punch like a human punch because they can't just extend forwards

[tawny juniper]

ah

Personally I think a kind of pound to the ground would be better

Something like cama used to do

But that might look weird, bad, etc.

[pure fossil]

That is what I was triying more or less to say, but better explained than me. Thanks. I think the same. If not using the legos we could use the beak, it’s not crazy for gameplay reason and not even immersive breaking.

[karmic plank]

Your point was still valid in and of itself

I still hope that we can pick up small live prey as Quetzalcoatl and kill them by dropping them, like eagles do with baby goats

Hi baby Utah I can shooow you the world

[pure fossil]

That would add a lot of fun to quetz gameplay instead of make it only a ptera 2.0 but bigger and badder looking

And idk if ppl even thought on how we will feed the baby’s nest with this animals lol. Because only with fish it’s not fun at all. It’s better appear there with a baby Utah and let the babies kill it on a cliff lol

[hoary dawn]

that would be pretty abuseable

[honest sparrow]

When did you get a pink name

[hoary dawn]

i joined the upper class

[honest sparrow]

Smh

[barren zephyr]

Its punch was capable of shattering a human rib cage, while causing severe organ damage

It wouldn't be unrealistic to think it'd be effective at dishing out damage favorably to smalls

Especially if we think about that same amount of damage being applied to the surface area of a small creatures head.

[hoary dawn]

quetz having a punch would be cool

idk how it would be able to get close enough to something to actually use it tho

[barren zephyr]

It'd be more stationery

Like Teno claw

[hoary dawn]

yea, so it would require the thing its using it on to be within melee range

[barren zephyr]

Specifically for warding off and defending carcass kills against any small creatures from staying on it

[hoary dawn]

yes

good

punch as an alt attack would be good for that

[cosmic trellis]

quetz running takeoff

[hasty dagger]

Tarkov has you control movement speed with the mouse, that’d be cool but it already zooms you in

[tawny juniper]

[steep warren]

:/

want me to remove it?

will that make everyone happy

[hallow vigil]

upvoting your own suggestions is generally frowned upon. You post them for other peoples' feedback, not your own.

[drifting radish]

did the thing with kissen and evrima get sorted?

[steep warren]

Agreed but one of the Senior Administrator said that up voting ur own suggestion just gets ur point across that u like the idea

but this is the isle community were talking bout and nothings ok so im just gona take my vote away

[paper oriole]

The fact that you post it is enough indication that you like the idea

Upvoting your own suggestion is like clapping for yourself after a speech

[hallow vigil]

^

better way to put it

[vale pawn]

Not upvoting your own suggestion

[tawny juniper]

as opposed to posting a suggestion that you hate

[karmic plank]

If the devs is expecting you to self upvote something you actually care about, idk

I feel like the general level of community support should be enough, they will only implement what they like anyway

[severe idol]

Of all the things you guys care about, when someone reacts positively to their own stuff gets you the fastest.

[pure fossil]

You should not remove it. This is the kind of behavior inside the Isle community that seems that toxic for many ppl. If you want upvote your suggestion it’s fine. At the end, Devs don’t care about upvotes and donws. But that ppl come to a #general-feedback-discussion for only post an image about your upvote or talk about you upvoting or not your suggestion shows the insane level of inquisition that some developed in here. And for exactly this, I will not say more about it. But if you were happy upvoting something, even your stuff, do it. Nothing wrong is on it.

[silent current]

Not really, instead the feedback post about replacing Kissen got removed, which is basically censorship

[pure fossil]

Did not punch said something about it on #isle-discussion ?

Or maybe I am wrong lol

[silent current]

I'm not sure tbh

Even if he did it didn't change the point of that feedback post which was civil and didn't deserve to be removed

[pure fossil]

True

[past dune]

hypsi climb

[barren zephyr]

No. The Devs aren't really wanting to admit or solve any flaws by the looks of it. Oh well criticism isn't allowed, no matter how polite it is, it seems

[odd sedge]

First off, upvoting your own suggestion
Second, Hypsi can't physically climb

Let's disregard the fact that it was unlikely to climb anyways because of its anatomy for the sake of keeping Herra a climber, how would it even climb? It got good claws on its feet, point given but unlike Herra, it has no claws on its ““hands““ to pull itself up

[barren zephyr]

herrera does have claws on its hands, but they are not curved and the hands are generally speaking multi purpose nubs

for digging or possibly picking up things like seeds

[odd sedge]

You mean Hypsi

[barren zephyr]

yeah hypsi

[odd sedge]

But yeah I agree

[barren zephyr]

it still is anything but competent in the trees

it could jump up to roost on low hanging trees like shown in the concept, but that isnt climbing it is leaping

[odd sedge]

Exactly

[ashen wasp]

Yeah, leaping from bough to bough is the most control I could see Hypsi having over an arboreal environment

[hoary dawn]

punch literally did make a long paragraph explaining the whole thing tho, it was all just a misunderstanding of a poorly worded kissenism

[barren zephyr]

oh

my bad

[hybrid matrix]

The true mark of intelligence is willing to accept when you are wrong

[barren zephyr]

yes

[hybrid matrix]

You, my friend, are

I couldn't find bigbrain pachy

[gritty helm]

I still don't think it deserved to get removed tbh. if the person who made it did it themselves or if it was worded in a hostile manner then I could understand it but nothing about it warranted mod/dev intervention. all just my opinion tho

anyways, I do agree that they should let Hypsi climb trees or really tone down the stam drain on its jump. cause if you fail the first time you may as well just stay on the ground since you'll have basically no stam if you go for it again lol

[zinc rivet]

He probably took it as more generic kissen hate, tbh a post about replacing kissen of all things? To me really comes off as deriving from basic kissen hate

you can't just replace someone so integral to the dev team like that lol

she's got flaws and annoys us but she's pretty cemented in her higher position

has been for a while

suggesting to replace her just sounds silly

[silent current]

Still censorship, could just say no we won't do that because X and Y

but the isle devs

[safe galleon]

@stray holly it's confirmed but not coming for a long time

[limber hull]

titanoboa was confirmed i believe

[stray holly]

Oh awesome. I didn’t know that.

I can only imagine the time they’ll have to invest in its rigging/animations.

[tawny juniper]

As people have said before, Your putting your feedback out there for other peoples opinions on it, not your own. I understand that you "like" your own suggestion but that's kind of implied when you post a suggestion as opposed to hating your suggestion. It's like clapping for yourself after a speech. Not trying to start an argument but this is why a lot of people frown upon it

Upvotes really aren't there for a reason to have a mini community and see other community members opinions on it, but when you upvote your own thing it's lowkey cringe

[stray holly]

I think caring enough to post a whole paragraph about a discord upvote reaction is also cringe.

[pure fossil]

I was not pointing the reason of why upvote yourself it’s good or not or why. In that sense i have my onw thought . BUT the inquisitive behavior against ppl that upvote themselves its exactly the same cringe. Literally quote or pin one dude only for remark that he upvote himself it’s cringe and inquisitive from my point of view. Are a lot of things better to do than complain about upvotings

[tawny juniper]

I posted a sentence on my own opinion, a paragraph on why it's generally frowned upon

[pure fossil]

Exactly this

[stray holly]

Like

The devs don’t give a shit about what happens in that channel. Let’s be real.

[severe idol]

Rating your own stuff matters none. There's less than a dozen of you guys gatekeeping easier entry into this subset of the community.

If you want to keep the people talking in these channels to the same three dozen peopel, keep pushing new people out. You're doing a great job.

[stray holly]

99.9% of the shit in that channel will never even cross the minds of them

It’s just there to make the community feel like their suggestions are worth something

[pure fossil]

+100 totally the truth

[severe idol]

All your messages of "cringe" do is alienate people who just wanted to be a part of your little world here. It matters exactly fucking none and it's significantly more cringe than a throw away reaction on a post that twenty people (about) will read.

It's a stupid hill to die on. You're better than that.

[stray holly]

Like, it was cool to make fun of people for liking their own YouTube comments or Instagram comments a few years ago.

It’s a dead meme now.

[pure fossil]

Yeah but like th mister senior admin said, with things like those we push new ppl out. Ppl that really want to put something of them into consideration and help with their opinions. If others keep them out with nonsenses about upvotings and that… literally. Here we are talking about that stupidity but no one said nothing yet about the idea of the poor dude. Even I forgot what he said. I will even look again because this nonsense of upvotings deviated the real subject of his post

[severe idol]

I'll put it this way, and by all means screenshot this message so you can post it elsewhere:
Pestering someone about reacting to their own stuff isn't feedback, isn't a joke with how heavily you rail on it, and has no other visual read beyond harassment. You will not harass other users in this Discord; if it happens again, you won't have the opportunity to harass anyone else in here again.

[pure fossil]

Screenshot done! And @steep warren really I always wanted see that car since the moment I saw the image lol. I always liked to see the concepts arts be inside the games, so I think it’s a great suggestion. In fact I think the isle has very good Concepts arts for implementation as Easter eggs inside the game.

[icy lion]

mind if i pin this?

[severe idol]

Yeah sure.

[stray holly]

Only OGs remember the art of the jeep in the Hypo Rex’s mouth

[pure fossil]

Ahhh I remember something like that but I was unsure hahaha. One question I had is if hypers will be playable in Evrima or not. Maybe they could grab cars like that hahaha

[stray holly]

Idk if they’ll ever come back. I’m wondering if the Elder system is supposed to replace that.

[pure fossil]

@vale pawn first, your idea of the sky it’s awesome and I hope the sky have some kind of effect on the biomes and zones. Maybe a seasonal cicle? I hope that.
Second: thanks for bring back that piece of art. Awesome

[vale pawn]

my suggestions are popping off

[stray holly]

Yesss nostalgia

[swift dew]

that will probably come with weather

[pulsar lake]

fun fact

2 years ago

there were community events named "Ask a Dev"

where we could ask any kind of questions about the game

but it is no more

[feral solstice]

Hopefully it comes back

[pulsar lake]

doubt

[urban flax]

@toxic flame Dinosaurs and humans are literally the enemy factions of the game
ANd we know they're gonna "mixpack" anyway so they absolutely don't need an incentive to do it

Also it was once planned that tribals would force dinos into submission, but we're not sure if it's still going to be a thing
Mercs are not going to befriend or tame dinos

[odd sedge]

The salt lmao

[toxic flame]

the thing is its absolutely possible though it would most likely happen in real life and logically it would make sense to do so i asnt saying it should happen im saying the idea is realstically possible and would be very cool to play into

@urban flax

[odd sedge]

Too much Ark for my taste

[urban flax]

Yeah but players don't need incentives or mechanics for it

Healthy relationships between humans and dinos aren't going to be supported I'm afraid

As much as I'd like to have a trusty dino companion as a tribal

Paraworld style

[pure fossil]

What if, instead this idea but with players, it’s the same but with Dino AI

?

[urban flax]

wdym ?

[toxic flame]

lol im just saying it would be realstic to have a possibly helping dinoand if it would to happen i dont think itd be the worst idea for certain dinos

[urban flax]

Well this is going to happen
Players will do it, even i there is no mechanic to encourage it

Even i it's heavily discouraged dinos and humans will still play together

[pure fossil]

The same idea that @toxic flame wants but instead with players, with AI

[urban flax]

Well you're not supposed to tell AI apart from players

[toxic flame]

i actually think that besides for human protection (which im not sure what much of it there is) there wouldnt be any benefit for the dinos only the huamsn i think

[pure fossil]

That’s why maybe with only Ai could work. And well, we all know that we will see clear difference between AI and humans

Sadly no AI will ever emulate human behavior that good

[urban flax]

In their behaviour yes, but you're not going to be able to tell them apart until you come very close

So players and AI deserve to be subject to the same mechanics

[pure fossil]

Yes, but for make it balanced. Humans could tame AI while players would be untamable

[toxic flame]

i dont think ai would work

[urban flax]

I've actually made a suggestion about taming a long time ago, let me find it

[pure fossil]

Only an idea tho ahahahha

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

[toxic flame]

i think the idea of ai being tameable is way too much ark but trust between players is a lot different

[urban flax]

I think we can all agree that taming players wouldn't be so great

[toxic flame]

im not talking of directly taming

but yes i see your point

[pulsar lake]

https://tenor.com/view/gilgamesh-iskandar-fate-zero-entertained-gif-13874463

[tawny juniper]

[toxic flame]

now describe that without he anime

[pulsar lake]

It is funny in 2 cases

either 1

AI is simple because most isle players are dumb tbf so they also are stupid

either 2

it is funny because a really few games do that, and maybe not even a single one tbf

[hoary dawn]

yea i have no idea about that suggestion, i was not present for that. all i know is the roster discussion was more or less cleared up

[severe idol]

@pulsar lake
This may be more likely to return than you think if it can be implemented in a good way. A "Questions with Punchpacket" sort of channel.

[pulsar lake]

Oh.

If it ever comes back ngl it'd be really cool and coult help community interaction.

Thank you for the information Saoul!

[severe idol]

Ye. I've been brainstorming a pitch to throw at Punchpacket, you come up with ideas, then send me a DM.

[pure fossil]

Do what? Tame players? Tame AI? Tame at all? Can you elaborate plis?

[pulsar lake]

AI as intelligent as players

[nimble zodiac]

HECK NO

[severe idol]

Taming players is a real bad plan, I think. Nothing that takes control from a user on a semi-permanent basis is ever well received by a general audience.

[pulsar lake]

That too

like, taming another player doesn't really work.

[nimble zodiac]

bro ai as intelligent as players will be really annoying especially utahs

[pulsar lake]

Just, mix pack if you want to.

[pulsar lake]

Utahs aren't smart players

But the thing is that there is no games able to as how complex human brain and thought is.

[severe idol]

The other problem becomes visual distinction between AI and player if you wanted to go that route. Watching them, sure, but it opens up easy griefing for players if you make it so easy to distinguish. It's a real can of worms.

[feral solstice]

I have an idea about that. I’ll hit you up in DMs in a little while.

[pure fossil]

That’s what I said, if they want tame something or similar the only valid option i see is use the AI for it. Distinguish about AI and players could be a perk that allow to Mercs that gives to you 50% chance of a right distinction between them both? Aah idk really… seems complicated

[hoary dawn]

i saw a really good suggestion for a taming system a while back where if you get captured by tribals you have the option to give up and go back to the respawn menu while an ai takes over your dino. if you choose to stay alive and play along with being captured you might live long enough to escape and continue playing.

[tawny juniper]

You're not supposed to see a difference between ai and player

Having it so you could tame ai would mess that up

[hoary dawn]

yea, either have it so you can tame players and ai, or none at all

[tawny juniper]

None at all is better

because basically if you are a player and you get tamed what happens

You lose all control

Or you just do what they say

Either way it doesn't work

If you still have control there will be tons of trolls

If you lose control then it just isn't fun

[urban flax]

Giving the player the choice of keeping their dino once they are tamed is a terrible idea

[pure fossil]

Well was an idea related to the proposal of other dude, I was triying to put a better sight of it. I really idk how all of that could fit really without trying first

[hoary dawn]

imo it would be better if you still had control, but the tribals would keep you so low on health that you wouldn't be able to fight your way out without dying, that way you would have to wait for an opportunity to escape if they let you heal too much or let down their guard

it should in no way be easy for tribals to do it

[urban flax]

They already have the hard task of beating and submitting a dino without killing it

[swift dew]

they better not to taming. if they do, they better make it more like enslavement rather than taming. where you either do what the tribal tells you to do, your you get killed. or you can try to escape, but they might kill you

[tawny juniper]

I think that would be good, but also take the fun out of being the dinosaur in that situation

[urban flax]

Why do you want to make it unrewarding as well ?

[urban flax]

It would also take the fun out from the tribal

[tawny juniper]

Like if you just wanted to play as a dino but you get captured that would be kind of unenjoyable

[hoary dawn]

well seeing as being captured is pretty much just dying with a chance of escape, and dying isn't too fun

[tawny juniper]

also if you try to log out or something odds are they would still just kill you

[hoary dawn]

its like complaining that dying isn't fun

[urban flax]

The fact a tamed dino can still log out is a really bad thing in itself

Even if it's just attempt then die

[hoary dawn]

it is an iffy thing in that regard

[urban flax]

If tribals are ever going to submit and enslave live dinos, just get them back to character screen and replace them with an AI
It's fairer for everyone

[hoary dawn]

that's what i said

the dino player would have the option to give up and go back to the character menu

[urban flax]

You hinted that a suggestion that allowed to either stay or go was a good one
Which I strongly disagree with, for all the reasons stated above

If the dino has the option to continue playing, it's unfair for the tribal

[hoary dawn]

how

[urban flax]

Because it can troll, suicide or log out

And in only 5% of cases it will actually obey you

[hoary dawn]

good point

[urban flax]

As a tribal I'd feel fucked if I try to tame a dino and they choose to continue playing to not allow me to have my pet

If a player gets swallowed by a big carni, they don't get the option to continue playing in their stomach and try to escape

Why would they get it after getting beaten by a human ?

[hoary dawn]

i could think of a few workarounds for those problems, but i do get that it would be simpler to just go with the ai transfer option

[paper oriole]

If a theropod with that build swung its tail it would knock itself off balance

If it was a better spino model which could go quad for a tail swing it would be good

[tidal frigate]

Not like a stego tail swing like a it would drag it’s tail across the floor and cover creatures in mud blinding them

[paper oriole]

If it swiped its tail hard enough to do that though it wouldnt be doing itself a favour, it would work better with a more stout model

They made spino too much of a generic terrestrial theropod model for it to use its tail without looking stupid

[pure fossil]

Put as secondary attack for spino some kind of claw attack

[paper oriole]

Claw attacks make sense

[urban flax]

Our spino actually has a very long tail

[tidal frigate]

It would slam its tail in the mud and then it would drag swiftly across the mud and make it cover any Dino it’s tail is facing in mud blinding them for a second

[urban flax]

Wouldn't just spinning around and slapping them be more effective ?

[tawny juniper]

That would just be stupid

That's like an ark attack

[urban flax]

Cause yeah, as Mira said, it can throw its balance off, but if it's turning, it's fine

[tawny juniper]

Doesn't really make sense

[tidal frigate]

Have you seen any Dino in ark do that?

[tawny juniper]

I'm saying ark attacks are ridiculous and strange

[tidal frigate]

As Mira said that would turn it off balance

[paper oriole]

The hyper spino can get on its knuckles for better balance but the normal spino doesnt seem to do that and would be making itself vulnerable

[tidal frigate]

Hypsi can spit

[tawny juniper]

What happens if it isn't in mud, the attack just doesn't work?

[paper oriole]

And?

[tawny juniper]

ok so?

[paper oriole]

If hypsi had a flying karate kick maybe it would be comparable

[tidal frigate]

No it would slap it being in mud will add an effect to the attack

[urban flax]

Theropods don't lose balance when they turn in place
The tail slap I imagine would be that
Turn in place
But fast

[tawny juniper]

Can you rephrase that I don't understand

[tidal frigate]

Okay if it’s not in mud it would just be a normal slap but if it’s in mud it would add a “buff” to it

[tawny juniper]

it just slaps it downwards when it isn't in the mud?

Because side to side would throw it off balance

[tidal frigate]

No like it slaps the attacker in the face or something

[tawny juniper]

also in order for it blind dinos with mud, Its tail would have to scoop up the mud and have in in the grip of its tail for the entirety of the launch

Which would just look so bad

That's what I mean by an ark attack, it just looks bad and out of place

[tidal frigate]

It wouldn’t grip it would take the mud with the tail and fling it a very distance

[paper oriole]

The reason large theropods typically have slow turns is because the isle still wants to obey some laws of physics and if a heavy ass terrestrial theropod spin around like a ballerina to slap you in the face with its tail it would topple over and break its legs

[tawny juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/simon-cowell-thats-a-no-its-a-no-its-a-no-from-me-gif-7663264

[tidal frigate]

I would make an animation but I don’t know how to animate

[urban flax]

I wasn't aware they wanted to obey the law of physics
Or stegos have air sacks

[paper oriole]

The weightless anims?

[urban flax]

A large theropod turning fast is less weird than a lot of things that happens in the game imo

[urban flax]

Yes, the fact it literally hovers when it gallops

[tawny juniper]

I think a better kind of mud attack would be where some smaller creature digs up a small amount of mud and let's it go behind it kind of like a dog digging up sand

[paper oriole]

Thats an animation issue a lot of the dinos have

[tawny juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-digging-a-hole-pink-panther-pooch-digs-the-ground-dig-the-dirt-gif-18127772

[feral solstice]

My peripheral vision made it look like the dog was projectile shitting

[tawny juniper]

😶

[tidal frigate]

Kinda of like that? But it’s tail would move the mud and fling it

[paper oriole]

Maybe when they get another animator they can make the dinos above small tier move like they arent balloon animals

[tawny juniper]

So it would scoop up the mud and throw it forwards?

[tidal frigate]

Yes but not the way your thinking

[craggy charm]

@feral solstice those nights look amazing, but sadly I think the devs wont make night like that because gamma cheaters are able to abuse that kind of night time :C

[tawny juniper]

I don't really think it's tail could bend enough to throw it forward

If I"m correct the tail is supposed to be a rudder/balance thing

so it's pretty stiff and thick

[paper oriole]

Yeah it would be throwing itself off balance if it sweeped that shit fast enough to launch mud at people

[craggy charm]

maybe just a swing thats enough to daze something a little, but not enough to push something down

[paper oriole]

If it had a quad stance like the hyper spino maybe it would look better doing it

[tidal frigate]

That’s why I said little things like Utah and teno

[tidal frigate]

You still don’t get it

[paper oriole]

It could honestly just trample utah and teno

[tawny juniper]

It'd have to be able to scoop up mud with its tail

Which is hard

Then it'd have to be able to turn the tail enough to launch it in a trajectory that might hit it's target

[tidal frigate]

No it would if it moved kinda quickly

[tidal frigate]

It’s be like a big radius with bad range

[tawny juniper]

It would just look super out of place and bad, and spino with a projectile attack is just not good

It's already an apex so it's pretty powerful

and blinding prey/attackers wouldn't really get it anywhere'

[tidal frigate]

It would be affective against trex plus trex is rumored to have a pin attack

[paper oriole]

Why would spino need an attack to deal with the vast majority of small tiers it could just step on or slap

[tawny juniper]

If the spino is pinned blidnign won't help it

[tidal frigate]

It would be good at escaping/fightning a trex

[tawny juniper]

The rex doesn't need to see in order to keep biting something it has pinned

[tidal frigate]

No that’s not my point it needs something to defend its self against multiple rexs

[paper oriole]

If a spino used its tail to slap a rex it would have to be a pretty hard slap to do anything useful, and that would disrupt spino's balance

[tawny juniper]

The attack just doen't really make sense and would look awful

[tidal frigate]

Yes but look at its tail it’s really thick

[paper oriole]

It would just look out of place to have spino swiping its tail around and hitting other multi ton animals with it

Yes the tail is thick, it is heavy

[tidal frigate]

That’s why it’s super buff

[paper oriole]

So swinging it would throw him off balance

Tails on theropods are used for balance

[tawny juniper]

the tail is it's main use of balance

if it's off its center of balance the spino goes

[paper oriole]

And a tail this heavy would at least make him stagger if he tried to use it as an offensive tool

[tawny juniper]

which puts it in a much worse position than it started in

[tidal frigate]

Pot does it

[paper oriole]

Pot has a stout spino

[tawny juniper]

vid?

[paper oriole]

Pot also has galloping sarcosuchus that looks like it weighs 20 pounds when it runs

[tawny juniper]

seen some videos of pot, it looks wonkey

[tidal frigate]

Ok but what about a swipe attack

[tawny juniper]

Is that not what we've been talking about?

[tidal frigate]

A claw attack I mean

[paper oriole]

https://youtu.be/-WouRLm4lPY

[tawny juniper]

Yeah that spino should fall down

And nothing smaller than a utah should really be affected by that

[paper oriole]

If normal spino had limb proportions more like his hyper counterpart and could get on his knuckles to transfer balance it might look less ridiculous

But our normal spino is basically a total terrestrial with his build, long ass legs, short body with long tail

[tidal frigate]

Hypo spino is already the best Dino in game best not make it even more overpowered

[paper oriole]

Hypers are supposed to be busted

But thats aside the point

[hybrid matrix]

ok how about this

a tiny stun if you get hit by a spinos tail while it's turning in place

no health loss, just a tiny stun

[tidal frigate]

Like tenos tail slam but not busted

[paper oriole]

An affect from getting bumped by large animals' tails as they turned would easily play into trample damage and be less stupid

[hybrid matrix]

tenos tail slam isnt OP
its perfect
teno is the most balanced dino in the game

[tidal frigate]

I wonder if you could do a finishing blow like in jp3

[hybrid matrix]

yeah
it shouldnt just be for spino
it should be for all large animals

[tidal frigate]

Said nobody

[paper oriole]

Uh no lol

[hybrid matrix]

awww did you run headlong into a tenos ass and expect to not get fucked hard?

[paper oriole]

Said anybody who isnt a salty carno main who tries to facetank a teno's ass

Carnos and utahs can both hunt teno if theyre smart about it

[tidal frigate]

Uhh no I’ve played as tenos and I say it’s unbalanced as heck

[tawny juniper]

says everyone who isn't stupid carno main

[hybrid matrix]

if you think that then you've never played as a teno

[paper oriole]

Youve played teno against shit carnis then

[hybrid matrix]

my guy

[tidal frigate]

I’ve killed a pack of carnos just bye biting

[hybrid matrix]

that tail is big enough to fit a whole other teno inside of it

[hybrid matrix]

yeah you arent a teno player

that is literally impossible

unless they were afk

[tidal frigate]

I’ve done it

[paper oriole]

Shit carnos who should uninstall, assuming you arent just bullshitting

[hybrid matrix]

lmao no

[tidal frigate]

I’ll do it again

[hybrid matrix]

even if the carnos were that awful its still impossible

teno's bite sucks ass
all its good for is killing annoying hypsis and baby raptors

[worn pumice]

Those carnos are reaching standards I didn’t even know were possible

[tidal frigate]

It has 4 attacks

[paper oriole]

Yeah do it, maybe record it this time. But it didnt happwn unless the carnos were all being played by actual blind people or were afk

[worn pumice]

Ye it has 4 attacks

It’s a brawler

[tidal frigate]

It’s tail slam stuns anything that’s not a stego or an adult deino

[paper oriole]

Teno is slower than its predators, it should pack a proper punch

[tidal frigate]

It can spam it’s claw attack

[hybrid matrix]

yeah
thats good

[paper oriole]

You can just run away from it

[hybrid matrix]

its claw attack does more bleed than anything

[worn pumice]

Sure it can spam it’s alt attack but that doesn’t work very well against carnos

[tidal frigate]

It’s kick knocks down anything that isn’t an adult deino or a stego

[worn pumice]

It is very useful against Utah’s tho

[paper oriole]

And just walk away if its too much for you to handle

A carno who jumps a teno with charge usually has the win in the bag

[tidal frigate]

Except you can just spam your tail slam and kill it

[hybrid matrix]

bite is just a bite
claws are a bleed attack
kick is a damage based attack with small bleed
tailslam is an entirely damage based attack with moderate stun

[paper oriole]

Dont try to brawl as a small game hunter or solo utah

[worn pumice]

If u get close to it and also If u just Bull rush it

[hybrid matrix]

yeah so dont run into its ass

[tidal frigate]

Your giving carno players to much credit

[hybrid matrix]

carno players like you?

[paper oriole]

No lol i know most of them are idiots

[tidal frigate]

I’m talking after you kick something

[paper oriole]

But idiots shouldnt be rewarded

[hybrid matrix]

so avoid its ass

[tidal frigate]

I hate carno and carno players I main Utah kinda

[worn pumice]

But that’s the point if it didn’t stun the carno with a slam/kick then carno could probably just out bite the teno and kill it tbh

[paper oriole]

Teno shouldnt be nerfed just because the average carno player doesnt have two braincells to rub together

[tidal frigate]

Then it can turn around and hit you with its bad hitbox

[hybrid matrix]

its like you're complaining that you got killed by a rex as a utah when you ran into its face instead of ass riding it

[hybrid matrix]

ok so dont try and solo something that'll drown you in medical debt (if you're american that is)

[tidal frigate]

All I’m saying is that its ridiculous how powerful teno is,I get that its supposed to be so it’s not garbage but still

[hybrid matrix]

ok so you want it to be garbage, right?

[paper oriole]

It isnt ridiculous at all, it shouldnt be nerfed just because carni players dont think before attacking something

[tidal frigate]

No I want it’s tail slam nerfed to not stun for 5 seconds

[worn pumice]

Yk what’s rly ridiculous? Deino is harder to kill on land then a stego

[hybrid matrix]

back when carno could still bite while stunned, tenos got murdered

[tidal frigate]

[paper oriole]

Stego can be put on the ropes by one dryo because its attack is so bad lol

[hybrid matrix]

mfw two pseudo-apexes were added within the first 5 updates:

[worn pumice]

Lmao

“Small tiers first”

[hybrid matrix]

ok this is what shouldve happened

[paper oriole]

They shoulda added kentro and idk beipi or something

[tidal frigate]

Idk what you guys are playing but stego is the best herb in the game it one shots most thing and three shots a carno and teno and 5 shots deino

[hybrid matrix]

the devs shouldve done the same thing they did when survival first came out in legacy
apexes first
and work your way down

[paper oriole]

Lmaooo

[hybrid matrix]

well
it has the best stats
but you're wrong ❤️ ✨

[paper oriole]

Nah i bet the reason you think its the best herb is because it can be soloed by utah with minimal skill

[pulsar lake]

3 shots Carno
That makes me kind of sad tbf

[tidal frigate]

Proof it show me that stego can be killed a dryo

[hybrid matrix]

im not the one that said that so idk why you're asking me

[tidal frigate]

Show me

[hybrid matrix]

ima go play generation zero
getting bored of this discussion

[worn pumice]

I wish

[hybrid matrix]

bye

[pulsar lake]

I wish Stego had kind more attacks like a minus front stomp and a swing doing knock-back CC.

[worn pumice]

Sadly it it’s not

It’s actually below average

[paper oriole]

I bit a stego like 9-12 times in the face with a dryo before its bud showed up and made me leave but i dont record my shit when i play, i aint some youtuber lmao

Its tail is too easy to juke

[pulsar lake]

Stego needs more attacks tbh, jab costing less stamina and more HP.

[tidal frigate]

If your a god player yes but other than that your not killing a stego as a dryo

[paper oriole]

Im a shit player

And i landed hella hits on that stego

[worn pumice]

Forget dryo tho it’s the fact that stego has very weird match ups with things it shouldn’t have issues with

[pulsar lake]

Like, you know it is kind of sense less when you has more survival chance as a Carno against a Stego if you fight it than a Tenonto.

[paper oriole]

Dryo is a bit overtuned as well to be fair

[pulsar lake]

Dryo is overtuned and it is a fact.

Not even an opinion thing lmao.

[tidal frigate]

The only time I die as a stego is if another stego mixpackes with a deino or a deino attacked me and then I kill it and than another shows up

[paper oriole]

It shouldnt be doing the damage it does with its little fingernail mouth

[pulsar lake]

Dryo has like :
3x HP than weight
Fucking good damages for its size
Faster than almost anything
Has more stamina than anything

[paper oriole]

Dryo and utah have tank ratios of hp yeah wtf is up with that

[worn pumice]

I wonder what’s dryos go is

Hp*

[pulsar lake]

I'd reduce it's HP to 180 instead of 340, damages to 15 instead of 75.

Utah is to nerf as well.

But

[paper oriole]

Im fine with its speed since its dodge isnt fixed but its damage and hp should be reduced

[pulsar lake]

to me, large are also to buff.

Tenonto seems fine.

[paper oriole]

Utah hp could use a drop to 750 in the future

[pulsar lake]

Carno charge could not have a coldown, get a better acceleration as well and a finisher bite with its ALT bite because of the huge time and movement it takes.

Stego buff its HP, gives it more attacks

Deino buff its HP as well

[paper oriole]

Not right now, but when more things its size are added and with proper hp ratios. Carno charge should get a buff while its regular bite is nerfed

[pulsar lake]

Regular bite should be used to finish preys.

Alt bite should be the best one as how long it takes

like

charge

use alt bite

kill Utah

in one bite

[paper oriole]

Deino should lose its beyblade shit on land and get the ability to snare animals in the water, terrestrials should have their weight reduced while swimming so deino can snare swimming animals it wouldnt usually be able to grab on land

[pulsar lake]

If Deino could drown swimming large animals

it'd be good.

But to me, developers should add the mechanics, possibly animals fitting them and then, pair by pair, animals of different sizes.

[strange wave]

it can?

[pulsar lake]

Stego?

[strange wave]

the water boost grabs shit

[pulsar lake]

Full adult Stegos?

[strange wave]

no
no reason it should grab stegos

[pulsar lake]

If they swim

[strange wave]

while they're swimming you can already destroy them

[pulsar lake]

it could be able to drag them really slowly

[strange wave]

no need to make deino more oppressive

[pulsar lake]

I mean

yes?

Make it oppressive if something comes in.

Even Rex or Giga could be took if they were swimming.

Take the feet.

[strange wave]

you can already grab any stego younger than 80% growth
you're fine

and

[pulsar lake]

Of course a lone Deino doesn't have the stamina to drown them.

And

like

[strange wave]

elder deino is getting much much bigger

[pulsar lake]

it costs a shit ton of it.

So if you wanna drag an adult Stego at the bottom of the river

you'll need multiple Deinos

of course only if the Steg swims.

[strange wave]

why are we trying to make deino a pack animal?

[pulsar lake]

Because crocs are mobbers.

And

as long as they suck on land.

And cannot chase or take down larger things

it is fine.

Like, to me Deino could only sprint for 6 seconds as an adult.

And possibly slower than now.

I'd nerf its land mobility.

[strange wave]

well you see, this is a video game, where we have 8 ton gators
they do not need to mob things

[pulsar lake]

If some large animals swims in, they should be able to.

[feral solstice]

It should just tug-of-war a full stego

[strange wave]

tug of war systems are meh in general
if they manage to get one working sure, its fine

[pulsar lake]

shame we cannot share animal hunting in this discord

I mean, you should be able to some kind of buck if Deino grabs you

also

I'd redo the grabbed animation

like

tf

with how a Carno and a Tenonto are built

they could give feet attacks, claws or bite depending of the animal.

But the animation doesn't allow them to.

Like this one video of a cheetah getting yoinked by a croc.

Thing fights for its life.

Meaningless

but still able to.

If you're grabbed it's only a "Oh welp..Can't do a single thing. Not even buck or anything."

[hoary dawn]

that was interesting

[compact hare]

ye

[barren zephyr]

Thanks

[karmic plank]

Stegos do NOT need a nerf by giving deino some janky way to kill them

The only way a good player gets killed by a stego atm is lag

and the only way a stego gets away is the boredom of its attackers

[zinc rivet]

or if the Stego just sprints away a short distance and fucks up the Deino's position, so if the Deino tries to get back in position it has to put itself in range of getting headshot

[karmic plank]

Yeah but deino shouldn't be in land fights to begin with imo

[zinc rivet]

they shouldnt

[karmic plank]

I know that's a separate issue because sometimes it's the only way to get food atm

[zinc rivet]

people think ass-altbiting through the Stego's body to get to the head is how u kill Stegos

but Stegos can just sprint away and get u out of position

they just dont coz they dont think abt it

[craggy charm]

stego's get absolutely destroyed by deino alt bite, but most deinos dont know how and stego needs 9 body bites and like 5 or 6 face bites to die from deino if theyre not alt biting

[zinc rivet]

Stego only gets destroyed if it is too stupid to just move

[craggy charm]

exactly

was just ab to add that

if ur a stego and u lose to a dieno it's 100% ur fault for not leaving it alone

[karmic plank]

The bite alt bite spam from deino usually kills stego easily if the positioning is half decent

[zinc rivet]

literally just go away xd

[craggy charm]

i mean as long as you get the first bite on it's body or face and then commit you'll out damage it

deino does need a stam drain on its alt bite tho, but that still wouldnt effect how it kills stego

it just needs stam drain to prevent it from fighting inland

[karmic plank]

I am 100% ok with deinos have a land counter, especially when it's close enough that I've won 1v1 deino vs stego

[craggy charm]

if it had a stam drain that wouldnt disable it's ability on land, it'd just discourage deinos from intentionally heading inland is all I mean

[karmic plank]

Stam for bites and more Stam for alt bites would fix a lot of that

[craggy charm]

i wouldnt do stam for regular bites, just alt bites

it'd drain more stam if you do a turning alt btie and less stam if you alt bite forward, but still drain some

itd be neat tho if deino had a bite and twist ability that drained lots of stam but does a lot of damage

but itd be only really effective in water like the lunge

[opaque warren]

@zinc rivet that suggestion is . Honestly would love to see that in-game

[zinc rivet]

pog yea

[karmic plank]

If I wasn't so against buffing deino further I'd love to see them with a grab and thrash ability

I'd love that @zinc rivet

I been aching for more ways to emote in game

[feral solstice]

@zinc rivet tenos rearing up akin to an anteater rearing up

[zinc rivet]

oooooo

i love anteaters

[karmic plank]

Even better if the game is a little bit smart about your stance

Like utahs are hassling a stego and as it tries to swing and get them it automatically goes into its aggressive stance

Teno T-Pose

[paper oriole]

t posing theri anteaters when

[karmic plank]

More emotes might mean less 1 call spam too

[paper oriole]

by a small margain, maybe, but people spam call because they know it annoys others

carno packs spam call because they know they can just piss people off and get away with it

[karmic plank]

@craggy charm I agree with your premise for 2 but I think it should guarantee breaks as the main mechanic

[craggy charm]

fractures you mean?

[karmic plank]

That's what real crocs sorta do, grab a leg and twist it iff

Yeah

[craggy charm]

i can add that if ya want

[karmic plank]

Up to you, it's your idea not mine

[karmic plank]

Or bait people into attacking so they can get a meal

[paper oriole]

yeah it annoys people into attacking them

same reason deinos 3 call spam

[karmic plank]

I mean the deino 3 call is also cool af

[storm flower]

it gets annoying though

[paper oriole]

it was cool but now its just pathetic and annoying due to its use

[craggy charm]

atleast it's not the deino call that was teased in the hope trailer

that was just weird.. it looked like it was straight up roaring

[karmic plank]

It's funny because real crocs only rumble roar when they are horny

[paper oriole]

i remember a suggestion a while back asking for the croc back vibration for their friendly call

a bit too friendly of a call lmao

[karmic plank]

Long press 2 for mating call

[storm flower]

[strange wave]

deino doesnt need a fucking deathroll attack

deathrolling for crocodilians is what they use to break down prey to eat them
not something they use to kill
in this case, it would literally just be eating something alive, the end

[paper oriole]

if we got finishers maybe deino's could be deathrolling a leg off or something but it really doesnt need it in combat with the utilities it has

[severe idol]

Deathroll option for dragging corpses to tear off chunks sounds neat.

[craggy charm]

ive seen vids of crocs death rolling live prey thats actively trying to escape

[strange wave]

its literally just eating something alive

[paper oriole]

yeah ive seen a croc deathrol a live zebra's leg

[strange wave]

eating something alive
they use it to break down prey to eat
eating things alive is a confirmed mechanic, deino can probably do it too

[craggy charm]

it doesnt always rip off limbs, and since the isle has plenty of other unrealistic things i think a deathroll attack would be reasonable in terms of this game

[severe idol]

I've seen gators deathroll people's hands when they do the pat-the-tongue trick.

They absolutely deathroll for offense.

[paper oriole]

yeah there was also that gator who deathrolled another gator's arm off and ate it

they dont care if something is dead yet

[strange wave]

sure
but deino doesnt really need more moves
especially one that focuses on dealing stupid amounts of fractures, just adding insult to injury on the ridiculous power of the lunge

[icy lion]

id rather a tail attack than a deathroll

[paper oriole]

which is why it would work better as a finisher if that stuff is still being considered

[strange wave]

just have it as the eating and tearing off chunks animation

[severe idol]

Eh. Give everything a small pile of attacks, why not.

[paper oriole]

would be cool to finish something off by totally annihilating it with a deathroll

[strange wave]

for this to be a thing they'd need to confirm finishers, we still dont know the outcome of that

[paper oriole]

but it doesnt need something that helps it cripple things when it aleady has the lunge, could easily just get some fracture in its attacks and be able to drown heavy animals in the water

[strange wave]

but having it as a tearing off meat chunks (and limbs when gore is a thing)
is perfectly fine

[craggy charm]

like I said in the suggestion, the roll would primarily be helpful against heavy prey that's swimming, as the roll would only really be useful when in water and not built for use against something on land

because spam biting is really weird

[strange wave]

it still doesnt need a high fracture attack

[craggy charm]

the fractures were a suggestion by someone else I added as a "maybe" incase u didnt see

[strange wave]

still not a great idea

[paper oriole]

it just needs to be able to snare and drown in the water, no need for fracture

snare animals and drain their stam

[karmic plank]

A tail attack makes a lot of sense when you consider they have about 2 ton of muscle in that thing... But they need more vulnerability on land, not less

[strange wave]

deathroll as a finisher and way to break apart a carcass is better than an entire new attack

[craggy charm]

i disagree but we all have our own opinions uwu

tail attack would be weird though, since im pretty sure they dont attack using tails irl

[icy lion]

i dont want to judge deinos land vulnerability properly until the alt bite gets its much needed stam cost. if it doesnt ever get a stam cost then i agree that a tail attack is unnecessary

[paper oriole]

crocs do use their tails to defend

croc tails can break human limbs

[karmic plank]

I wonder if a longer, slower eating animation would be a reasonable land nerf for deinos

[craggy charm]

it already has a fairly long one and cant bite while doing it

unless they stop before it gets to the ripping part of the animation

[paper oriole]

nah, diminishing returns on their beyblade attack would work well rnough

alt attack spam should destroy their stam

[karmic plank]

Cos real life crocs will challenge big cats for kills... And they usually just seem to end up giving up on it

[craggy charm]

yes but it should also be dynamic with direction cuz alt biting forward should cost much less stam than side or backward

[paper oriole]

the forward alt bite should be slowed down then

since rn its basically some bullshit drumroll bite

they shouldnt be using alt bite to attack in front of them anyway