general-feedback-discussion

[silent current]

one playable

[barren zephyr]

A year

[flat crypt]

i don't think pachy should be able to kill a carno, at least not without a hell of a lot of skill. but imo they should be able to bang it's shins in enough to allow them to get away, seeing as they'll probably be slower

i do like the idea of pachy being quite strong for it's size though. probably not super fast, but not something you wanna mess with

sort of a "yeah, I could hunt it in theory. but there are easier options"

[paper oriole]

pachy should be able to kill a shitty carno or an average carno if the pachy is god tier

but yeah its best option should be escape

[flat crypt]

yeah agreed

[paper oriole]

maybe slow the carno down and use superior stamina and agility to get away

[silent current]

too peaceful

[flat crypt]

i just want it to actually be fun and good unlike legacy pachy :( it's got great potential

[paper oriole]

legacy pachy was some serious dookie

[barren zephyr]

Guys nooo what?!? Herbivore HAS to be weak!!!

Herbivores CANT be strong

how DARE you

[flat crypt]

legacy pachy had a nice model and calls but miserable gameplay, which is what matters most anyway lmao

[paper oriole]

i remember a suggestion that utah should 1-2shot pachy and they cited saurian lmao

[silent current]

Doind

[barren zephyr]

Lol what

[paper oriole]

one sec maybe i can dig that treasure up

[barren zephyr]

1 shot pachy

[silent current]

[paper oriole]

#general-feedback message

found it fast because i remember they mis spelled saurian lmao

[silent current]

wtf

[barren zephyr]

Great grammar!

Also that pfp

[paper oriole]

the name, the pfp, the suggestion. it all fits together

[barren zephyr]

Utah roleplayer obviously

[paper oriole]

he also made a giga 50kmh suggestion

but he said 50 kms

[barren zephyr]

OH that was the guy

so a giga that can literally catch up to utahs? ok.

[silent current]

epic

[barren zephyr]

this will not destroy the games balance

[urban flax]

Who was the author of the magnificent giga shark-summoner suggestion ?

[paper oriole]

i think his name was rat something

[urban flax]

Bruh I couldn't find it
Maybe it was deleted

[paper oriole]

Wait i think his name was ratguzzler, a legend

[hasty radish]

Just go to the link in another post where it explains in more detail, I'm just recalling this suggestion for a defense system that I really liked

Maybe I misspoke, I don't speak English

And yes I changed something, I added the link

[paper oriole]

When i click the link my discord crashes lol

[hasty radish]

Ok i'ts weird I look at this

[urban flax]

Yeah, the link does crash discord

[hasty radish]

I found where the problem was, there was the word "(modify)" which was added and merged with the link

[paper oriole]

Yeah it work now

[hasty radish]

good👍

[paper oriole]

The jaw blocking thing is a pretty neat idea

[hasty radish]

yerh 😄

I would like to be able to defend myself outside of combat, it can make combat more interesting, and that seems simple to develop in the script.

[urban flax]

Depends on how it's handled, but blocking with the mouth can be interesting
Kinda limited tho

@cloud viper That's OP

[hasty radish]

yep

[paper oriole]

Binocular vision for specific predators could be cool as long as it doesn’t involve differing render distances

But for all carnivores? Definitely not needed

And getting specific info on other dinos is pretty lame, it should be up to observation not the game feeding you the information upfront

[urban flax]

Yes

[barren zephyr]

pce memecord

[hasty radish]

I thought we weren't going to have an AI chicken

[urban flax]

We're even getting goat AI

[hasty radish]

ha really? it's confirmed? they said there were not going to be any animals that exist

[urban flax]

wdym ? That was always an evidence there was going to be modern AI at some point

[steep warren]

Boars, Rabbits, Goats, Seatutles, Crabs and I might be missing a few thats going to be added

[urban flax]

I wasn't aware of boars and rabbits

[hasty radish]

I would have preferred small animals that existed at that time, too bad :/.
And yes I knew about the crabs but for the rest I wasn't sure

[urban flax]

At which time ?

[hasty radish]

dinosaure

[urban flax]

Because the dinosaurs we are getting are separated from millions years

It makes more sense to have a chicken in the same setting as a rex than a rex with a stegosaurus

[hasty radish]

no

[urban flax]

Yes it does. In terms of time of existence, rex is closer to modern times than to stegosaur (which is a jurassic dino, whereas rex is a late cretaceous dino)

[hasty radish]

I would have liked small mammalian animals that lived at the time of the dinosaurs. or put other animals not only mammals

[urban flax]

At the same time as some of the dinosaurs*

[hasty radish]

yes the stego did not live at the same time as the t-rex

i know

[urban flax]

So you understand that the game takes place in the modern times, is not aiming for paleo-accuracy and that it makes more sense to have modern animals instead of only extinct ones

[hasty radish]

yes i know this

but i'm sad,I would have liked to see them in the game😔

[urban flax]

I can understand this

You can still hope there will be mods for extinct animals as AI in the future

[hasty radish]

yerh

but hey, i'm looking forward to seeing these modern AIs anyway.

[vast wolf]

the modern animals were probably either native to the island or were introduced to feed the contained dinosaurs

[molten tulip]

I think I'd like mouth blocking if all carnivores got it, but its only actually useful against your own species

Which makes sense because only others of your species are the same height/mouth position and weight

Just to make 1v1s in your own species actually interesting instead of just spam bite to win

Herbis could get it too in the form of horn blocking/claw blocking

[wanton hull]

I don’t think mouth blocking should be a thing. I think there should be something more just not that

The devs where talking about armor and armor piercing. This could definitely spice things up.

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr #isle-discussion
there are also no ETAs for updates, but you can predict every few months

Thank you!

all good, isle discussion is usually where questions are taken

[urban flax]

How is the most recent stegosaurus depiction now ?

[silent current]

Very strange idea, stacking movement speed while in group is broken. Balance is achievable by max speed and the amount of stamina+mobility. It should be just a bit faster than utah but slower than carno. Gali should also obviously be very agile as well. That should make it able to deal with them

[swift dew]

@turbid lodge wtf are you talking about? teno is the most balanced creature in the game. if you were playing carno and got killed by teno thats on you. carno v teno, carno wins most of the time

[crude girder]

I am very confused about the latest post as well

juvis run the same amount of time as adults right now, so that's less a teno issue and more an issue that applies to all juvenile animals

for example juvi dryo can run longer than adult teno, yet you didn't mention that

[swift dew]

I honestly think its just a shiton of salt from loosing a fight to a teno as carno

[manic flint]

Teno is literally the MOST BALANCED Dino in the game, some people would argue a little weak, not OP wtf????

[crude girder]

I'm very confused what they meant by "too much stamina"

[manic flint]

Does this person only play carno and run straight into teno tail slams??

[crude girder]

does it run too long? can it attack too many times?

[manic flint]

No

It's hella fair

[crude girder]

I'm just hoping we get some more explanations from @turbid lodge because that wasn't a very helpful feedback post

[swift dew]

bruh

[crude girder]

"animal X too strong" okay but why?

"too much stamina" okay, in what area?

[manic flint]

Lmaoo

[swift dew]

also he tried pinging the devs but pinged some poor guy named dev instead

[crude girder]

and what is "more offensive power" suppose to mean?

Stronger attacks?

[manic flint]

Teno is very fair, carno is the one that needs a nerf imo

There was a very good suggestion in the balance suggestions that sums up what i think carno needs

[crude girder]

because there are at least 3 other classes that have something to say about that

[manic flint]

Teno is fine

[crude girder]

It doesn't even have more stam than "anything else in the game"

[manic flint]

Doesn't dryo have more??

[crude girder]

like half of those points they are trying to make are just objectively wrong

almost like they didn't actually check them and just wanted to complain

Dryo has more, iirc Hypsi does as well

[edgy harbor]

#general-complaining

we should rename tbh

[crude girder]

Plus they put balance feedback in the general feedback

[edgy harbor]

Oh well

It's not very constructive anyways.

[swift dew]

or #general-salt

[manic flint]

There is so much wrong with that suggestion...

[edgy harbor]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

To each their own.

[manic flint]

Ig

[icy lion]

what is it with people trying to tag the dev role

[manic flint]

No clue lol

[topaz palm]

F's in chat for the guy named Dev

[manic flint]

F

[edgy harbor]

Dev should know better

[crude girder]

literally the only valid point they made is baby teno has more stamina than some adults

[edgy harbor]

Yeah but when do kids not have more stam than adults

[crude girder]

too bad speed doesn't matter at all

[manic flint]

Exactly

[crude girder]

just stamina, it's the only mobility stat

I mean even then, they didn't bring up how dryo juvi has the most stamina of anything in the game

If stamina is that big of an issue, nerf Dryo juvi

and if combat power is too much, nerf stego

or carno, or deino

@turbid lodge so you just gonna keep editing your feedback post or do you care to explain why you thought any of that made sense?

[manic flint]

The isle is ruled by OP herbivores? Lmao has this guy not played legacy?

[crude girder]

Hypsi and Dryo OP

nerf Hypsi

[manic flint]

Carno has a 50/50 matchup with teno

What do you mean it's OP

Really carno (the one that can run away) should have a losing matchup against teno

[swift dew]

plus if the carno wants to fight there is nothing the teno can do about it, it HAS to fight back

[manic flint]

Exactly

Why I think carno should be nerfed

Make it an ambush predator
Not a fast cerato

[edgy harbor]

We'll see after diets and bone break

[manic flint]

Teno is meant to be a brawler so it being good at fighting and carno less so doesn't make it OP

Just wait till cera is out ig

[cyan flame]

@turbid lodgeDeino is the very much OP critter in the Isle right now, not the tenonto. Dryo and ptera are unrivalled survival-wise with surprisingly good combat potential if you know what you're doing, especially with dryo. Tenonto is well balanced, perhaps a touch on the too good side in some aspects, but it's one of the best ones out there. Carno and utah are perfectly fine and are thriving, barring one or two specific issues. Stegos survive but have a good few issues they need help with.

[swift dew]

the worst creature being hypsi since its outclassed by dryo in every way except hiding ig

[manic flint]

Deino: pretty good, uncontested
Stego:has some problems with groups of enemies
Carno: Acts more like a brawler than a cheetah ESC Dino, above average
Teno: balanced
Dryo: average, you'll only die if you play cocky
Hypsi: buff the poor guy c'mon
Ptera: Spectator mode

[icy lion]

hypsi needs the camera moved when aiming

its impossible to see currently

[manic flint]

^^

[hoary dawn]

that @ Dev team tho

ambient crabs are coming next update

idk if they'll be beach dwelling but i would assume so

[wicked furnace]

Oh are they?

didn't know that

[manic flint]

Yes

Sea turtles too

Goats

[wicked furnace]

fr?

[quiet estuary]

next update or some other future one

[manic flint]

Has been confirmed by punch

[wicked furnace]

damn coastal is gonna end up being my favourite biome at this rate

[hoary dawn]

next update

[vale pawn]

bruh @ dev team i cant lol

[hoary dawn]

they're gonna be part of some animal's diets

[wicked furnace]

Bary maybe?

actually

probably not bary

[vale pawn]

id see beipi

[quiet estuary]

Probably young deinos and beipi

[hoary dawn]

im thinking out of the animals we have currently ptera would eat em

[keen vapor]

Lmao that guy just @ some random dude thinking it was the devs im done

[quiet estuary]

Poor dev

[vale pawn]

im dying from that

[quiet estuary]

aint the first time the guys been pinged in that manner too

[wicked furnace]

Lol

[vale pawn]

imagine hes just used to it at this point

@

[wicked furnace]

@ team

[drifting radish]

i feel bad for dev

has to be tagged in that salty post 😔

[modern schooner]

I think Beipi will eat the bullfrogs, as can be seen in the concept art

[white rune]

I mean, their matchup is perfect.

If Tenonto CC's the Carno, it is almost dead or will need to retreat. However if it doesn't play well against it, Carno will be able to take it down.

Personally, I'm on a small tier and similar sized hunter niche for Carno, going for things like Kentro, Tenonto, Magy, Cerato as well as small one, but I'd buff Carno acceleration so it is a better small tier hunter instead to suck at what it is meant to be.

Also I'd reduce the coldown a bit so it isn't worthless.

[manic flint]

The post was deleted lol

[paper oriole]

Why would carno be hunting cerato, a stocky predator with not much of a length difference

It shouldnt keep its current strengths while also receiving a buff to hunt smalls better, it should have its brawling capabilities reduced and its small tier ambushing abilities enhanced

Magy will also likely be against its diet even if it is an easy kill and tenonto shouldnt be that regular of a target

[white rune]

Wtf

Carno is just a bit heavier

but way taller

and Cerato is a skinny bitch too

just a deep animal

[paper oriole]

Cerato was stated to be quite the endurant dino in his descrip

[paper oriole]

So likely a brawler, while carno isnt supposed to be

[white rune]

Cerato being endurance hunting is what i'd like it to be

[paper oriole]

Cerato's got a better bead for biting

[white rune]

but if a Carno had to fight a Cerato

damn

Must be a close matchup

But if Cerato is getting CC's it is fucked over

[paper oriole]

Id say cera should have an advantage depending on how mobile/agile he is

[white rune]

Also height advantage helps it in face to face

Yeah it can abuse of that

but if it goes on a Carno that just turns on itself

Cerato won't do well

Carno may outdamage it in face to face

but if it uses its agility sure

[paper oriole]

If cerato is slower it should have the advantage in a confrontation

Which obviously cera will be slower

[white rune]

I mean, it can not have it damage wise

[paper oriole]

Cerato has a better head with larger teeth for gripping and damaging

[white rune]

Cerato sucked at trashing but okay

but we're not in Dino simulation

but do not forget the weight and height difference, giving Carno a larger advantage.

Cerato uses its endurance and mobility toward Carno.

It it just goes head on it dies because Carno can bully it.

[paper oriole]

What is he in the isle, was it 2k

[white rune]

jt 2K ?

[paper oriole]

It was a typo

[white rune]

What?

Carno or Cerato?

[paper oriole]

Carno

Dont know ceras new stats

[white rune]

If we go accurate size, Carnotaurus has a good one from Random with 1.8 tons.
New maximal Ceratosaurus weight mass is of 1.58 tons.

[paper oriole]

I mean his isle size

No realism

[white rune]

Isle Carno is accurate

[paper oriole]

So whats his weight in the isle

[white rune]

I said it

[paper oriole]

You said if we go accurate

[white rune]

yes

and Isle carno is

[paper oriole]

Fck it ill just look it up real quick to he sure

[white rune]

bruh

Isle Carno is same weight as its realistic counterpart

like

what do you don't understand in what I said?

[paper oriole]

Are we getting big cera or small cera in evrima too

[white rune]

No one knows

what should fit the roster

[paper oriole]

Legacy cera weighed more than current carno

[white rune]

but bigger animals are more needed than small ones

[paper oriole]

So if we get legacy cera's size he has the advantage

[white rune]

Old weight masses were bullshits

and no reasons to buff Cerato that much

[paper oriole]

Idk about a buff, i mean legacy cerato was trash so clearly it shouldn’t be used for evrima

[white rune]

Legacy Cerato was trash because of bleed resistance and stamina

they only needed to change those things

and it was great

Of course the thing should have been rolled on by an Allosaurus

but not by 2 Dilos

like

it should absolutely annilate them

[paper oriole]

Yeah it and pachy were bloodbags and should never return like that, in his evrima concepts it was imploed that he actually may punch up a bit

[white rune]

Pachy needed bleed resistance and BB as well

but BB was op and done stupid

Like, Pachy should have a fairly good bucking for an animal of its size

and a charge without coldown and no need to sprint

like

press right click

charge

you can also lead your charge but your turn isn't great

nice accel too

but it costs quiet a good amount of stamina

so you can do like 12 or 15 charges

Anything close? Bang it.

No legs for Utah

die scum

[paper oriole]

Yeah if it doesnt have a good fracturing charge itll be quite disappointing, even if it doesnt absolutely need it, it would just make too much sense not to have

[pale bloom]

Even if Legacy Cerato was heavier than Legacy Carno, Carno there had the upper hand 1v1

Just by the way bleed was working there

[hallow vigil]

Rhamphorhynchus looks cool but the game is already bloated with dinos, i really dont want any more tbh. Just wastes dev time that could be better spent on other aspects of the game

[paper oriole]

Cera was disadvantaged against basically anything that inflicted bleed on any server with alt turn enabled, to be fair

[barren zephyr]

Even without alt turn it was still horrible

[paper oriole]

If they do add a third flyer i hope it isnt another carni, they have two, an omni or herbi would be better

Eh without alt it could at least stand better chances against utahs, killed a lot who thought they could get in ass bites

Either way its old cera, it should never return

[white rune]

A roster isn't bloated if it has unique additions, 20 like 60.

But I'd say that there are some things that could be changed or even deleted of the game that are some kind of worthless to be done.

[paper oriole]

Rhamph wouldnt be any more roster bloat than hypsi or mono are, but still just putting another flyer on the same faction as two other flyers

[white rune]

Flyer roster needs more animals.

[paper oriole]

Yeah it does, but honestly they need more spread too

Omni and herbi roster has no flyers

[white rune]

Also Mono is more worthless than it. Same goes for the extra small being really bloated with worthless animals like now Oro, Taco, Compy, Velo, Raui.

Omni and herbi flyers : Tupandactylus (H) and Thalassodromeus (O)

[paper oriole]

Ik i said it isnt any more bloat then mono is, mono is gonna need stretched to make it unique

And they could have made oro into what hypsi is

[white rune]

Yes

Raui being some kind of shits too tbh

land croc
absolute dwarf

[barren zephyr]

I really don’t see a point for mono tbh.

[paper oriole]

Raui should be replaced with presto

[white rune]

Presto would be more interesting

but the thing is that Presto is a bipedal animal too (most land crocs except Barina are)

but you can fictionalize it to be quad

[paper oriole]

Presto could at least hold his own against things like cera and escape theough undergrowth against bigger things

Presto was quad, it was another guy who was bi

[icy lion]

posto/raui are generally seen as bipedal

but presto was 100% quad

and much larger

[white rune]

My bad on that

[paper oriole]

Yea i was thinkin of posto

[white rune]

checked the skeletal by Random

[icy lion]

all good, they get mixed up a lot

[icy lion]

very similar in appearance, and posto/presto sound similar as well

[paper oriole]

Was like hm who was that biped guy who looked loke presto i always forget his name

A plantigrade quadruped can run surprisingly fast too

[white rune]

it would anyway be 1000 times better than Raui

[paper oriole]

Yeah i hope they replace

Raui is fodder

[barren zephyr]

Raui is tiny

literally serves no purpose in the game other than being a good source of food

[paper oriole]

Isnt raui like dryo sized

[paper oriole]

lol google says dryo is a foot longer than raui

Runt gator

[barren zephyr]

If raui actually gets in, it shouldn’t be a playable…like…at all.

A.I only would be fine

It’s just…small

[paper oriole]

Would be quite a waste indeed

Presto besto

[barren zephyr]

^

[heavy crypt]

found this gem.

[barren zephyr]

Rock protection

[paper oriole]

yikes

[paper oriole]

stego can get soloed by a utah only using bite rn or be forced to shove its hea din a rock, idk if i'd call them gods lmao

utahs who manage their stam and dismount voluntarily should get a better dismount but stego is kinda lame right now

plateo is already in the database, it's pretty likely to come eventually

wait is this suggestion implying that plateo would eat rotten meat wtf lol

[sturdy widget]

I've done this a few times, but they do usually just shove their head in a rock or a tree like you said, can wait them out if I start the hunt while full but I'd have to be far from water cause they use that too

[paper oriole]

i mean its kinda an issue if one 500kg animal can force a 6 ton defensive to shove its face in a rock to survive

stego's attack is very easy to juke and he needs better coverage. but i do agree that utah should have a better voluntary dismount

[pale bloom]

Stegos in the water shallow enought that makes them stay standing but Utahs are forced to swim are literally unkillable

Saw this in the southeast river next to the swamp

[sturdy widget]

They have great coverage imo, the full swings pretty much cover their entire sides, its definitely slow but if it wasn't it'd be OP, plus their bite does more damage than utah's in a trade off

[vast wolf]

stego dose not do more damage with its bite than utah if they trade because stego has an extra damage multiplier on its head and its bite does no bleed.

[sturdy widget]

I'm talking more comparatively, everything has an extra damage multiplier on the head stego's is just higher, but it would still kill utah in a bite to bite trade off to the head because of the higher health pool

[pale bloom]

Stego in my opinion it isn't as bad as people place it, yes is not OP like Deino but neither bad, is the only Dino in the game that makes you leave the place with 1 single blow, 1 shots Utahs, and Carnos who get hit once are pretty much out of the fight for 30 minutes at least

[sturdy widget]

Agreed, its very balanced, I have no problem with stego and love how forgiving the new damage system is with the reduced tail damage. Utahs were supposed to be its counter with the pounce, but its too janky to be used against it in most situations

[compact hare]

@twilit isle ay, welcome to the comunity!
The game is not looking for realism, or at least paleo accurate animals
However, the skin system is being implemented soon and it'll include feathers for some dinos like utah, velos, and others :)

Feathers and I believe other features like crests, who knows

[paper oriole]

the devs love jp too much to give us real spino or a utah whose arms arent broken lol

hopefully trike is open for a better more accurate remodel though since it doesnt seem to be inspired by anything in particular

[raw fulcrum]

@steep warren plateo is confirmed

[paper oriole]

coastal mangroves are hot

[lethal flare]

Why is the Austroraptors head bigger than its body lol

[paper oriole]

plus its missing half its ribcage lmao i really hope they change it for the better

[craggy charm]

Yeah, I tried to kinda fix that in my edit xD

[lethal flare]

The heads still a bit big in your edit

[urban flax]

@turbid hinge I don't like the idea of balance changes for a particular species vs a particular another species specifically. It's artificial and makes a "forced balance" that has no real reason to be.

[paper oriole]

Instead of pushing a cd on teno, spamming attacks like alt bites and tail slams should just have diminishing returns on stam use to punish spammers

[turbid hinge]

agreed. but i swear everytime i go through the balance section i see "Tenos too op!" or stuff like that and its kinda old.

[paper oriole]

People who think teno is op are just low skill carni mains that want to shitstomp everything to quench their jp roleplay fantasy

[turbid hinge]

i feel like thats not a great way to go about it either. honestly i hope they just leave it how it is rn

ima just stop looking through the balance and feed back part of the isles discord

dont feel like seeing it anymore

[paper oriole]

Should never try to work around to appease the people who want something nerfed just so they can kill it easier as a faster animal that controls the confrontation

[turbid hinge]

you right

[paper oriole]

Teno is slower than its predators, it should have the advantage

And the people who want to make it fodder are just smallminded and think only of their own gameplay

[honest sparrow]

Teno is honestly the most well balanced dino in game

[turbid hinge]

^^

ima jsut stop watchin pesky xd

all i hear is over tuned and over powered.

[paper oriole]

Yeah it has good capability and has clear skill differences that rewards good players

Carni mains are always whining about at least one herbi

If it can reliably defend itself it's op!

[honest sparrow]

And herbi mains are constantly fighting an uphill battle

[paper oriole]

Hey this animal that's slower than me can fight back, please devs fix this immediately!

[honest sparrow]

Which is why being a Omni main is the good ending

[turbid hinge]

i love your # trike needs buffs when it comes to evrima in 2056

[paper oriole]

Im probably going to be a big omni player since ovi is one of my fav dinos, hoping kentro is good too though

Yeah we dont need legacy trike again

Absolute fodder animal

[turbid hinge]

are they still doin magy or are they cuttin the cord on her

[honest sparrow]

No magy is locked in

[paper oriole]

Sadly magy will happen

[honest sparrow]

Every game needs its punching bag

[turbid hinge]

poor magy, i already feel bad

[paper oriole]

Dondi mentioned amarga in one post on twitter though so maybe well have an actual good small sauropod in the far future

Probably not

But what if

[honest sparrow]

Street fighter and Dan, Smash bros and sandbag, ark and my eyes

[paper oriole]

Lmao

[turbid hinge]

just make magy not have grow time like hypsi and boom, viable

i honestly feel like thats the only way to do it, poor magy will never be viable

[kindred flare]

fax. magy only stands a chance against things like cera and below. kinda sad when cera is supposed to fear things like carno, allo, alberto etc

[silent current]

Pretty sure cera isn't supposed to fear carno but ok

[paper oriole]

It really shouldnt

It should honestly have a good 60/40 matchup with carno or something around that because its slower and is supposed to fight unlike carno who is an ambush hunter

[barren zephyr]

@silver rivet if it plays like utah, that means it is a literal fucking clone and thus should not be added, because it does not contribute to ecosystem building whatsoever

[silver rivet]

its like bro not same

[barren zephyr]

one could as well wipe out the other

And we have a shit tonne of small/mid carnivores planned

Ceratosaurus, Monolophosaurus, Dilophosaurus, Troodon, Herrerasaurus, Austroraptor and Velociraptor.

[safe galleon]

The game doesn’t need more dinosaurs so that’s why I’m gonna suggest this dinosaur

[barren zephyr]

You are implying it is

we have no actual need for a Phorusrhacid

and TI is not like ark where a bunch of creatures are just randomly shoved in because they are cool (or actually it was like this, in legacy)

[paper oriole]

terror birds are like a whole 100kg less than utah too arent they, and they cant pounce

[lapis tree]

There’s no need for terror bird, Utah does his job

[paper oriole]

Terror bird is just a downgraded utah or galli clone

[dire peak]

Hi

[lofty pagoda]

no dont

[dire peak]

incoming paragraph

[silent current]

[dire peak]

1- Terror birds, just like all other birds, are dinosaurs
2- It indeed would, that means its not worth adding
3- Yes

The largest terror bird was Brontornis, likely weighing slightly over 500 kg and was around 2.3-2.4m tall, so it was actually larger than Utahraptor. As for gameplay, they would play like a Utah more or less. Main differences would be : higher speed, no pounce, higher bleed and damage from bites. All in all, I don't think they are worth adding.

[white rune]

Btw, Plateo only was bipedal but okay

that's a common missconception

I don't know how to feel for Plateo because it is an animal I like but I don't feel it would go well.

[paper oriole]

I remember the model in the database is quad and emaciated

I hope they give him a fresh redesign

[white rune]

They can do something interesting with a new complete bipedal and tall herbivore, which we have one other as Therizinosaurus (even if all hadrosaurs can go bipedal stance).

A new model would be nice..but The Isle

[paper oriole]

I want my coastal plateo

[white rune]

Why would it be coastal?

[paper oriole]

Personally i think hed be cool eating from palms, seagrass, shelffish mangroves there. Just my dumb idea for him though

More coastals so the beach isnt dead af and something unique for plateo

[white rune]

That diet is kinda already given to Deinocheirus but it can be given to it as well.

Plateosaurus is in a weird place because it was viable as the largest animal of its time, so it didn't need to worry about similar sized predators as there were none.

[paper oriole]

Deinocheirus is in swamps isnt he

We dont know if he is inland or not yet

[white rune]

It still is a similar diet and so gameplay, with Plateosaurus having no adaptations for.

Like Deinocheirus just dwells like a Suchomimus would do and Plateosaurus would need to dwell as well except if fictionalized tail to be more like a tadpole's.

[paper oriole]

Being a coastal would help plateo distance itself from some of the inland mid tiers like allo and alberto, but it can use above average swimming stamina to escape poor fighting odds in a mangrove or at the coast in saltwater where deino probably wouldnt be, instead bary can be its predator

[white rune]

But Plateo can fight Alberto and Allo

so it doesn't need to run away from them.

[paper oriole]

Idk his neck looks awfully biteable

[white rune]

Also, how much can be speed up an animation?

[paper oriole]

Id honestly put him at like 50/50 with them though idk what size plateo theyre going to do

[white rune]

That's kinda the problem but then it has huge claws and a thicc ass that it can use.

[paper oriole]

It does have good claws and some surprisingly gnarly teeth for an herbi similar to some other sauropodomorphs and pachy

Maybe an above average bite for an herbi

But still i think hed look cool on the coasts

[odd sedge]

“We already have enough dinosaurs, so ima suggest a non dinosaur creature“

proceeds to suggest a bird

[white rune]

If only they could cancel some for better playables

😔

[odd sedge]

I mean, we don't need all playables. I'd trade Mono for pretty much anything but a feathered galli clone

[white rune]

Trade Mono, Oro, Ovi, Troodon, Velo, Homalo, Raui, Compy, Rugops, Austro, Ava for other playables tbh but I can see how some of them can be unique.

But most are unneeded.

[odd sedge]

I think Ovi and Austro are justified to exist tho

[white rune]

Ovi, you can trade it with Anzu.

Or Citi Pati, it is as you wish.

[odd sedge]

Just Austro and Beipi are a lil similar

[cloud viper]

Why change it while we already have a model?

[white rune]

Austro can be trade with Troodon for Latenivenatrix.

I mean, that's what I'd do because Anzu is more interesting as it can almost fight back Utah.

[cloud viper]

Troodon is like almost done with sounds a few animations

[white rune]

But devs decided other wise and I'm kind of fine with that.

I mean, that'd be in my ideal roster.

[odd sedge]

Oh I'm not talking about animals that I want to switch for something similar.
I meant animals that I don't see in the game

Like Mono

[white rune]

Mono can go to the tartar.

[cloud viper]

I would put more popular dinos in my roster so more people flock over to the game

[odd sedge]

☝️

[cloud viper]

Like not having rex will upset a lot of people

[white rune]

Personally I did a doc, with multiple animals but I mostly did it also on discord.

Not having Rex is dumb tbh

like even gameplay wise

[cloud viper]

Like if you make a dino game you need rex, raptor and a hadrosaur probably the most recognizable dinos

[odd sedge]

I don't like rex, but that's just because the stereotypical legacy rex mains who want to lmb win every battle really annoy me

But it should be in

[white rune]

I like Rex because of the animal

like Giga and Spino

Rex : the destroyer of worlds
Giga : sauropod butcher
Spino : feesh

I'd say that they can all be in the game

[cloud viper]

I still hate people Who say spino can 1v1 a rex

[white rune]

Isle Spino? It can as it is busted JP Spino but only defensively.

Real Spino? No.

[cloud viper]

Irl

[white rune]

Like, there will be people arguing it can, people arguing that they didn't lived together and in the same environement so they are specialized into different niches

then people acknoledging that Rex is a superior life form

[cloud viper]

Ye

[white rune]

I prefer Spino

I was in the side of "They didn't live together"

and still somekind of in

but

Rex is Rex

[cloud viper]

I hope they make spino more of a pseudo apex for combat cuz of how it looks rn

Like an apex but weaker but can fish

[white rune]

Offensively it will suck

like

if you go toward something you'll die

like a Rex or Giga

but if you wait for them to go to you

as you cannot flee

then tell them to fuck away

[cloud viper]

The water tho

[white rune]

If you're caught inland, Spino should be able to defend itself correctly.

[cloud viper]

Tje safe place to get away from apexes

[white rune]

Like, an ambush will kill it

[cloud viper]

Ye i hope claw swipe will be a good bleed dealer so it can defend itself

Cuz a bite attack will be usless on a spino

If you go the realistic route

[silent current]

Why are they muted

[barren zephyr]

Muted

?

[cloud viper]

?

[barren zephyr]

Baba just got muted

Uhhh

[cloud viper]

Ummmm

[silent current]

Can't talk like a normal human being i guess

[barren zephyr]

Islecord

[cloud viper]

Why am i a member of it

[silent current]

[barren zephyr]

idk, im here for the drama so

...

…

ok spinosaurus

and rex

[white rune]

I gonna choose my words in a better way now

So, the matchup is situational and goes toward what the Spino does.

[solar peak]

@barren zephyr why would you give ptera more places to skim if there are enough already?

[barren zephyr]

I don’t feel like there are ever that many but that might just be a personal experience thing

But the fish do need to give a bit more food though. Not a lot more but just a bit

it is bloody hard to find food as a baby utah

[cloud viper]

I can live a fisher life as a ptera totaly fine and fish give a good amount of food

[cloud viper]

That i agree with

[barren zephyr]

I mean it is hard to find food in general as a baby

for any creature

shared hurdles

[cloud viper]

Ye i hope ambient creatures gets added soon

Ptera is the best one to find food with cuz of flting and fishing

And a herbivore is impossible to starve

[odd sedge]

Crabs, little lizards, frogs

[cloud viper]

Goats, boars, turtles etc

[solar peak]

why tho

[barren zephyr]

Because no one plays hypsi or dryo so it can’t bother killing those much. And fish is supposed to be its main food source. You have to eat a lot of fish to fill yourself as ptera

[urban flax]

Is 2 a lot ?
Cause in most cases you'll be fine with 2 or 3 fishes as a ptera

[wanton hull]

If you where to leave pocket and shallows u will find plenty of fish. I would like for baby deinos to get more food from small fish as some of them are half their size

[solar peak]

like bub said, you need like 3 fishes and why did you even mention hypsi or dryo, ptera isn't supposed to hunt those, I would understand your point if it would be hard to sustain yourself as ptera but that's pretty much the easiest creature to play as

[urban flax]

It's easier to get fed as a ptera than as a dryo

[molten tulip]

For ptera you only need to eat 1 fish for your entire growth

They fill up so much hunger

On officials at least, just flying to a dead river offers you tons of fish spawns

I dont see how ptera is disadvantaged in any way, it's almost too easy

[odd sedge]

And Dryo literally can't starve with that much grass around

[flat crypt]

i have had absolutely 0 issues whatsoever finding food as a ptera

sometimes i might have to fly along a river for a little longer than I'd like. but it doesn't usually take more than 1-2 minutes at MOST to find fish

ptera is super easy to keep fed

if anything personally i think ptera needs to eat more

i always end up finding myself sitting about idling for a while as ptera. there's not a constant need to find food like there is as a carnivore. If anything playing ptera feels a lot like playing a herbi lmao

[swift dew]

@silver rivet first of all, terror bird has no place in the game. the roster is already filled. second of all, one of your reasons was, it isnt a dinosaur. actually, a terror bird IS a dinosaur, just like all birds

[limber hull]

if you're a cannibal, what's wrong with not being able to make babies?

why be able to make more of your own species if you kill and eat your own species lmao

[ebon girder]

I think this is a good idea but it should only happen if you have eaten like 15 Dinosaurs of your species

[flat crypt]

im fine with infertility as a result of cannibilism for animals that aren't adapted for it tbh

a cerato? Probably not gonna care, just shrug it off. A utah? might be nasty

[keen reef]

Because that's stupid. There are many reasons to kill your own species
Starvation
Self defence
Rival pack
Competition for food itself

Now only one of those reasons causes you to actually eat the carcass, but still that's more than fucking dumb

Imagine you've been searching for food, you're on your last legs and you find and kill one of your kind. Now unless you wanna play just to fight, you have to basically suicide if you want to "complete the game" because you can no longer complete the game. There's a chance you can't play a chunk of your own life because you got some bad luck

[ebon girder]

I said like after eating like 15 of your own

[keen reef]

I mean it's fair for constant cannibalism to be punished, but that wasn't specified, and going from past mistakes it could be a good chance from the first meal you need to scoff down

[ebon girder]

Sorry im not that good at speaking english, by specified you mean that i didnt say that?

[keen reef]

No I meant the developers when asked about it

[ebon girder]

But what does that have to do with me, my idea was that it would happen after cannibalising a lot

[keen reef]

It wasn't to do with you, I was just mentioning that the original idea was vague

[ebon girder]

Ok 🙂

[tepid gate]

I don't think your dinosaur is going to go all crazy after eating one animal of your own kind. It does seem like the diets are a whole additional bar and it goes from good to neutral and then to bad but there's a lot of space in between so you'd have to most likely cannibalise quite consistently to get to the bottom I'd imagine.

Besides you very likely will be able to get out of that by following the correct diet from that point onwards, at least that's my impression of what has been shown off so far.

[vocal lichen]

@cloud viper Well...did you ever saw oviraptor skeleton ? its fast chicken yes... but to be able to compete utahraptor in 1v1 ??? never.

[hoary dawn]

ovi 1v1 utah

[barren zephyr]

ovi 1v1 Utah

utah is literally half a ton

[hoary dawn]

ovi could maybe 1v1 a troodon if its really good

but utah no

[silk moat]

wasnt ovi meant to be an omnivore or am i thinking of something else?

[hoary dawn]

ovi is an omni yes

[silk moat]

then why not be able to eat gore and carcasses :I

[vocal lichen]

ribs

[hoary dawn]

who said it wouldn't be able to?

[silk moat]

the suggestion

[hoary dawn]

ah

[silk moat]

ik its not going to actually happen i was just confused

[vocal lichen]

and he was max 1m tall 😄

[urban flax]

All ovi needs is crouch-sprinting.

[hoary dawn]

yea ovi should be able to eat meat, just not get any dietary buffs from it

[silk moat]

yea

[tight lantern]

love that neck snap sound in your feedback video. Can't wait to be the chiropractor of the island as a Pachy and give full-on neck adjustments

[swift dew]

@cloud viper Excuse me, but did you just say that ovi should be able to beat UTAH 1v1? as in the creature over 14 times heavier than it?

thats like asking for utah to 1v1 rex

this isnt legacy here

[keen reef]

Disregarding the whole Utah thing, the suggestion is fine

The higher bleed res makes sense
The attacks are realistic
Its okay

[cloud viper]

I never said it should i said it was a possibility if you are skilled enough but ye kinda overboard there ngl

Wait ovi is that small holy shit

[hoary dawn]

the attacks and abilties in the suggestion are pretty good, tho i dont think they should do that much damage

ovi imo should be more of a speed and agility guy and not have that much combative power

since its whole schtick is infiltrating nests and running away with eggs

[cloud viper]

More refering for its size and kick would be the best attack it has

Isn't much of a fighter

[hoary dawn]

ye

[tight lantern]

Ovi feels like it's going to be fun to play as. Love me a niche-based dino and a jack-of-most-trades

[cloud viper]

Didn't realize how small it was thought it was almost human size but it wasn't

[ebon girder]

glad u like it

[cloud viper]

Even tho running into stuff and getting a concussion is cool i don't think they will add it.
Like it will be cool so like carnos think twice before running into the forest.

[urban flax]

I doubt Ovi could stun a carno
I doubt it very hard

[cloud viper]

I haven't said that? A utah or smaller i said.
But if you are reffering to the screech then yes it should be able to

[urban flax]

Isn't that referring to carno ?

Also I don't see why Ovi should get a deafening screech

[cloud viper]

It would be cool and parrots irl can do this and ovi kinda looks a bit like a parrot.

[urban flax]

Cool but hella unbalanced and unfitting for its niche

[cloud viper]

That is why suggestes two cuz i saw someone else suggest it and i kinda like it but like a dash wpuld be more useful for nest raiding but screech would be better for staying alive

[urban flax]

#phase-two-archive message

That doesn't sound like a screech to me

[hoary dawn]

that do be the broadcast tho

[urban flax]

Yes that's the broadcast

But it gives an idea of what kind of sounds the animal is going to make

[hoary dawn]

it could be like with dilo where the broadcast is far less intimidating than the threaten

[urban flax]

Still, I don't see how a stunning screech could complement Ovi's niche and not be a complete troll ability

[hoary dawn]

i think if it do has a stunning screech it would only work well on things around its size and smaller

[urban flax]

Then it's not a tool for surviving

[compact hare]

I can see the loud "scream" going for Para or something, not so loud for the player but the vision and hearing can get blurry etc etc...

should have a big cooldown tho

[urban flax]

Yes that ability would fit para way better

[compact hare]

That thing sounds like a big ship, now imagine a group of paras heheh

[urban flax]

@raw dock Being vulnerable is literally the point of sleeping

[raw dock]

Sure, I get that, but then what exactly is the point in spending hours growing a creature when it can be killed while you're logging out and done with the game for the day?

[urban flax]

You're supposed to find a safe place to log out

[compact hare]

Find a safe place

[silent current]

Immunity to dmg in any situation is also just a bad idea

[compact hare]

I wouldnt log out like 100 meter close of a player
I usually climb a mountain or find some bushes very far away
and log

[urban flax]

Or you can log in the middle of your herd, if you have one

[glad dirge]

Invulnerable sleeping is very abusable

[urban flax]

Well it's the comeback of combat logging

[smoky harness]

So what about if you are in a safe spot, and then someone comes across you randomly and kills you before you can react?

[feral solstice]

Well good on the person for finding you

[urban flax]

Then you weren't in a safe enough spot

[feral solstice]

If he finds you and manages to kill you while you’re sleeping, he rightfully deserves to eat your corpse

If it’s a carnivore that is

[smoky harness]

And if you are a deino yourself, do you have to wait until the map has less than 100 people in it and go to one of the ends of the map to leave?

[swift dew]

go to the forest

or a secluded river

[urban flax]

If you are a deino nothing can kill you before you can react

[feral solstice]

Lmao

[smoky harness]

Another deino?

[feral solstice]

Welp that’s cannibalism the

Then

[urban flax]

It takes a long time for another deino to come at you then bite you to death

[smoky harness]

So then you have to fight it regardless and since it got a bite in, you're gonna die in a fight anyway.

Also people have lives

[urban flax]

That's why there is a disconnect function

[smoky harness]

They can't play a game for hours and hours because they cant leave

[feral solstice]

People have lives yet they take the time to grow a 5 hour long Dino..

[urban flax]

You can't let people disconnect instantly and safely in a pvp survival game

[feral solstice]

^

Find a bush to hide in, make sure nobody is near you (that’s up to you to decide that), sleep

[swift dew]

go literally anywhere that is circled in red to logout, and you will be safe

[smoky harness]

Not necessarily but ok

[feral solstice]

Yes necessarily

You can log almost everywhere and be safe

It depends on who’s in the area and what not

If they’re nearby you to hear your sounds

Sleeping, which is safe logging, comes at a risk, but it’s up to you to decide where you’ll take that risk.

If you die, you die. It is what it is

[smoky harness]

Okay, then here is a small thing here, instead of punishing players who have to go back to the real world and are just unlucky, make it so if the dino is unharmed, not bleeding, not hungry or thirsty, it can safe log with a small shield keeping them from straight up dying to someone while trying to sleep. If they're injured/in combat, they just shouldn't be allowed to sleep. Lay down, but not sleep.

[urban flax]

That'd still allow combat logging
Or logging as soon as you see a predator

Also injuries can last for a very long time

[compact hare]

Sleeping is meant to make you vunerable

[smoky harness]

If the predator didn't see them, is it really combat logging?

[haughty forge]

lol imagine that you fight a dino for whatever reason, then in front of you they press H twice an you see them... immortal, without being able to finish your hunt

so... a VERY bad idea

[feral solstice]

That can cause way too many problems

[urban flax]

The predator mgith have seen them
Or be tracking
Or would have seen them if they didn't instantly disappear

This is not an arcade game, this is survival

[feral solstice]

You aren’t going to get a free ticket out of the game if you don’t risk it.

Risk it and be rewarded with leaving the game

[barren zephyr]

Imagine a rex hunting a giga and the giga can just hold H and become immortal

[smoky harness]

And then lose 6 hours of progress because you have a life, cool.

[hoary dawn]

yea being immortal while sleeping would be abuseable af

not good

[feral solstice]

That’s on you for not finding a place to log.

Should’ve went deeper into the forest

[urban flax]

You say that like you're guaranteed to die when you safelog

[feral solstice]

Should’ve stayed away from the river

There’s a multitude of reasons why you might’ve died while logging

[feral solstice]

^

[compact hare]

but thats... what surviving is
you have to be smart enough to avoid death, if you die, good luck next time, you learned something at least

[smoky harness]

It's happened to me plenty of times in the middle of the forest. The only time I've been able to stay alive while safe logging was as a ptera because I'm away from everyone.

[feral solstice]

I don’t know how you managed to die while logging in the middle of the Forest
That’s just plain bad luck.

[haughty forge]

if you want an apex you gotta deserve it, the more powerfull it is the more dangerous it is to keep it and it is normal. Or you have just everyone being full adult apexes everywhere... where is the fun?

[urban flax]

If that was the case for everyone you wouldn't see so many adult dinos running around
You're definitely doing something wrong

[feral solstice]

^

[compact hare]

but lets no forget the vegetation hacking, its harder to find a safe spot now that ppl can... disable plants? I guess

[haughty forge]

that is a different problem

[urban flax]

True, I didn't think about that

Shouldn't balance a game accounting for hacks tho

[feral solstice]

Which that can also be a cause, but that can be solved without the need to immortalize players who want to safelog

[smoky harness]

Yeah a lot of times it's stegos kosing so that's also another issue entirely

[solar peak]

@raw dock could you please explain why ppl shouldn't be able to attack you while sleeping?

[feral solstice]

Wait

[compact hare]

I know, I dont like the immortal or immunity for sleeping players either lel

[feral solstice]

You’re being killed while safe logging by kosing stegos?

[haughty forge]

what do you mean? stego KOSING prevent you to safelog now? The big fat and slow dino prevent you to go away in a bush and wait 60 sec?

[smoky harness]

Maybe have some form of temporary protection so you don't just get narked by something because you have to go do something irl

[feral solstice]

That’s a useable

Abuseable *

[urban flax]

And against the rules of a survival game

[solar peak]

just find a safe place

[feral solstice]

Survival is survival.
Find a safe spot and log. That’s all you have to do

[haughty forge]

The point to the actual safelog is to actualy not feel safe and take a huge risk while safeloging

[feral solstice]

You’re blaming bad luck and deciding to want temporary immortality so you can log without a risk.

[solar peak]

and that would mean logging in combat would be viable

[smoky harness]

I just feel like having to risk your 6 hours of playing on the fact that you exist in real life is really sad because people can abuse things.

[dapper mirage]

the best way to go about this type of thing is just re-add the feature from legacy where server owns can customize the length of the logout timer. there's nothing else that you can really do to fix it. otherwise you get combat logging all over again. combat logging is basically impossible now and we dont need it to make a return

[solar peak]

you could abuse being immortal while safe logging even more

[urban flax]

The problem is that people hack, it's not the mechanic itself

[crude girder]

I mean if you have a schedule you would in theory be able to plan around it and know that you can wander off when you're running out of time

[haughty forge]

nobody forces you to play 6 hours, you can play other dinos

[smoky harness]

If it wasn't an entire minute of being vulnerable, it would be less bad

[crude girder]

So like "Oh I have 10 minutes, guess I'll go find a safe place to log"

[solar peak]

^

[feral solstice]

^^

[haughty forge]

1 minute is not that much

[smoky harness]

One minute of staying still can get you killed in most servers.

[solar peak]

where did your thegamingrugops nickname go

[dapper mirage]

gone, reduced to atoms

[mossy cairn]

Everybody forgetting that legacy had a fairly good idea for safe logging. Where you could actually see things coming and jump back in to avoid them or at least fight back. Because killing someone who's forced to sit there and take it isn't any sort of "hunt" or "PvP"

[solar peak]

that's your fault for not finding a proper place to log off

[feral solstice]

For me I can safelog without a fear in the world.
It’s literally just bad luck for you.

[solar peak]

[urban flax]

Maybe taking some amount of damage while safelogging should wake you up tho

[crude girder]

Yeah I've only ever been killed once while safelogging, and that was because I didn't bother to check if it was safe in the middle of an open field

[urban flax]

Enough so that compies can't prevent a stego from safelogging, but you can instantly defend yourself if you are being attacked

[mossy cairn]

This would make sense in a game where you could survive two or three bites

[compact hare]

I never died when safelogging... Or I did, maybe once or twice, never had much problem with it

[solar peak]

I would say health %

[haughty forge]

I saw a lot of people pretending to be in combat while waiting to combatlog so they don't have to fight you and a shittone of juv apex just afk growing, the finger on the safelog button going poof after they saw somebody comming to bite them

[barren zephyr]

How to solve this.

Run deep into a forest and hold H. Problem solved.

[solar peak]

so like if someone deals you 1% of your health (just an example) you wake up

[solar peak]

^

[mossy cairn]

So each system had its issues, but at least legacy didn't punish you for trying to log out and go about your day

[feral solstice]

Legacy still punished you though.

[smoky harness]

I mean that would be fine

[haughty forge]

It did punish the people trying to hunt A LOT

[urban flax]

Yep, I was more thinking about 10 or 20% but that's the idea

[dapper mirage]

i honestly disagree. legacy safelog was awful. mainly because rex and giga mains could sit there protecting their friends while they log out. not only was there no visual to let you know that they were trying to log, but they could also just close the escape menu without punishment. the way you are stuck in the sleep animation in evrima basically means you have to commit to logging out and its much better

[feral solstice]

The countdown could still kill you in legacy.

[compact hare]

waste all of your stam runnning away from players and log, thats what I usually do

[solar peak]

well, I even managed to safe log while in combat with utahs as deino at the pond after killing 2 of them, I felt kinda bad but I forgot I had stuff to do irl

[feral solstice]

So can evrimas countdown

[smoky harness]

Oh god, having friends in a pack with you? God forbid.

[mossy cairn]

But at least you had a better chance of surviving it in legacy. Evrima is basically a dice roll every time you log

[feral solstice]

As it should be

[haughty forge]

often with rexes, one sub hidding behing the leg of a full one safelogging

[feral solstice]

You shouldn’t be able to safe log without risking your Dino, god forbid, a low risk.

[solar peak]

not really, I was never killed while safe logging idk what's the problem with it tbh

[feral solstice]

If you safe log and someone finds you, they rightfully deserve to kill you.

If you can get up quick enough and fight back, good on you

[smoky harness]

I feel like if it happened more often to y'all, y'all would feel a little different about it.

[dapper mirage]

having a pack wasnt the problem. the problem is when you can sit on top of someone to protect them as they log, while having zero punishment for TRYING to log IN COMBAT, on top of your opponents having to guess whether or not you're logging.

[crude girder]

If it happened more often it would be an issue with the mechanic, since it happens so rarely, it sounds like player error

[smoky harness]

I feel like that's a tiny percentage of problems.

[solar peak]

well that's like saying "if you died more times to a stego as a deino you would know it should be nerfed" but that's only about how good/bad you're at the game

[smoky harness]

At least in evrima

[crude girder]

If safelogging was instant death, then no one would ever be able to safelog, when we have direct evidence that it works fine

[haughty forge]

If you don't hide correctly to safelog you die that is all

[dapper mirage]

in evrima you can protect your friend thats trying to combat log, but its much harder due to the mobility of the dinosaurs, plus the "log-ee" is trapped in their sleeping anim. i dont see the problem with that

[crude girder]

Plus the "log-ee" is giving out the loud snores, so that you can't just put them in the nearest tree and become basically invisible

[dapper mirage]

and you would not believe how many times on legacy ive seen rexes crouch over their subadult as it logs out

[white rune]

When you log, you need to look around and not just leave in a place that you may be attacked

[mossy cairn]

I get the idea of "the world's not fair" or whatever, but making logging out of the game a gamble as to whether you're going to lose hours of progress every time you log isn't something even dedicated competitive/PvP games do

[white rune]

But The Isle is secondly a PvP game

[solar peak]

it's not a gamble, really, I have at least 150 hours on evrima and I've never died while safe logging

[white rune]

it firstly is a survival

[feral solstice]

So what are you proposing should happen without the need to create an abuse-able mechanic.
I barely died with the safelog mechanic so

[smoky harness]

That's not how a lot of people act like

[haughty forge]

It is not that complicated to find a good hidding spot to log except if you try to flee and logout right away

[white rune]

How people acts =/= how the game is supposed to be

[solar peak]

^

[barren zephyr]

It can’t be that hard to press W and walk to a secluded area.

there’s no way it’s that hard.

[feral solstice]

People play like this game is a death match video game, yet it still constitutes as playing a survival game, as you have to watch your stamina, your food, thirst, all of it.

[smoky harness]

Yes, and even survival games that I've played in the past don't have a safelog.

[dapper mirage]

ive only ever died on logout once on evrima and that's because i literally did not care and lied down in the middle of a hotspot. other than that its never happened

[mossy cairn]

I'm simply saying legacy did it better. Was it abusable? Sure. So is evrima's system, just by different people

[ebon girder]

In never came even close to dying while safelogging, just find a bush or if you are a agile creature climb on something

[solar peak]

what survival games did you play

[white rune]

Yeah and your body stays in game except Minecraft, Roblox and such

[haughty forge]

do you remember when evrima DIDN'T have safelog at all?

[ebon girder]

Evrima is way harder to abuse, almost impossible

[white rune]

so you still can be killed while being out of the game

[feral solstice]

Evrimas system isn’t really “abuse-able”

Since you basically risk your entire Dino to log

Which, it should be

[dapper mirage]

^

[ebon girder]

fake pesky?

[dapper mirage]

yeah

[solar peak]

[ebon girder]

i knew it

[feral solstice]

The funny blue carnotaurus

[mossy cairn]

But why? What's the point in even playing if you might just get reset every time you try to log? The Isle isn't a roguelike

[feral solstice]

How do you feel about the unfunny red carnotaurus

[solar peak]

why is there no conversation without "fake pesky" thing

[feral solstice]

You act like it’s always going to happen

Dying while logging

Is rare if you decide to find a safe place to log

[swift dew]

you don't get reset, find a place to hide. its to prevent combat loggers

[dapper mirage]

i think he's fine, lets keep the convo about the game tho

[smoky harness]

I don't care about Ark because base game it forces you to play every 6 hours or you die

[ebon girder]

It hardly happens, idk where you safelog but i have never been found

[white rune]

But if you try to log during a fight, just die that's all I have to say.

[solar peak]

ok I'm going to spit it out, I have no idea how do you die while safe logging if you hide yourself correctly

[white rune]

Don't forget Rust too.

[feral solstice]

^

[white rune]

Then most survivals aren't that much of PvP too.

[ebon girder]

Hes just bad ig

[white rune]

If you log out into a bush next to the river, of course someone may find you.

[feral solstice]

Literally just run fucking far into the forest, and I mean FAR, then log. You’ll 99% be guaranteed a safelog

[white rune]

Or in the plain, you're a free meal and deserve it.

[swift dew]

and even then you don't have to run that far

[solar peak]

well I logged out in center bushes several times lol

[white rune]

And if someone was chasing you, I shouldn't even recommend to log out as you could probably flee it or hide without sleeping because you do a lot of noises.

[feral solstice]

Center bushes are risky logs but it’s fine.

[smoky harness]

I mean I'd really a game that I didn't have to fight everything, constantly. I guess some people just have bad luck and shouldn't ever play video games because they waste their time.

Good

[white rune]

I mean, if you don't fight then flee.

[dapper mirage]

putting your back to a rock or wall or something while logging is always a good idea too. this way you dont have to worry about something coming up behind you while you cant turn your camera

[white rune]

Don't press H, that way you won't die

[odd sedge]

Archeopteryx is damn 🤏

[white rune]

Too small

Way too small

even if a flyer

[feral solstice]

Thats better as an ambient ai

[odd sedge]

ˢᵐᵃˡˡ

[swift dew]

^^^

[odd sedge]

Archeopteryx = ˢᵐᵃˡˡ🤏

[white rune]

It isn't even a kilogram

like

don't push the button too far lol

it is worth for no one, even the smallest

[swift dew]

I would say compy is too small to be playable and should only be ai, and compy is 10 times heavier than that

[wicked furnace]

They can always just, upsize it, its the isle after all. Not a accurate reperesentation.

[dapper mirage]

compy is much too small. hell i think even ovi minmi and troodon are a stretch

even though i love those 3

i hope they find a way to make them fun

[swift dew]

minmi is 300 kg

[feral solstice]

You can only upsize it so much until it’s ridiculous

[odd sedge]

Don't get me wrong, we need a fruit eating, flying animal for forests.
But not a creature this ˢᵐᵃˡˡ

[wicked furnace]

It can just be the same size as compy, that won't look ridiculous

[dapper mirage]

oh for whatever reason i thought he was much smaller than that

[odd sedge]

Might as well take a slightly bigger one

[white rune]

Then use another animal

[feral solstice]

The same size as compy is still way too small

[white rune]

instead

[feral solstice]

Look at the graph

[swift dew]

they are actually going for relativly accurate sizes

[dapper mirage]

probably cause i went off of this, but then i remembered this is from prehistoric wildlife

[white rune]

Recently I suggested Rhampho, it also is small and as large as Compy but visually it is bigger and it has some advantages gameplay wise.

Prehistoric Wildlife

[wicked furnace]

Why does it look so weird in that picture lmao

[dapper mirage]

because prehistoric wildlife

[wicked furnace]

Understandable

[barren zephyr]

Prehistoric wildlife

[dapper mirage]

dont look up "prehistoric wildlife deinocheirus" and look at the first image

worst mistake of my life

[barren zephyr]

I am going to do that

[wicked furnace]

Ima do that

...

[barren zephyr]

WTF

[barren zephyr]

it’s glorious

[feral solstice]

Oh god

[barren zephyr]

let’s replace it with our current cherius !

[wicked furnace]

Obviously

its much better

[solar peak]

[feral solstice]

It looks like a plucked goose and a camel had a baby

[dapper mirage]

like im pretty sure the scale of the PW cheirus is pretty accurate, but the silhouette

[feral solstice]

Oh my god

[dapper mirage]

oh god

[feral solstice]

Kill me

[barren zephyr]

It’s beautiful

[barren zephyr]

Why

Delete

[wicked furnace]

They literally just got spino and 🤏

[solar peak]

It’s beautiful

[barren zephyr]

It looks like a salamander mixed with a hotdog

[wicked furnace]

Reject hotdog spino embrace chad 2000s spino

[barren zephyr]

[orchid spruce]

Very

[dapper mirage]

embrace Fred’s spino concept, reject literally every other spino ever

[wicked furnace]

[dapper mirage]

I’m still incredibly salted that we didn’t get that for our spino model. Such a waste

[barren zephyr]

Freds spino is the only good spino

[wicked furnace]

They didn't even use the right crest

for some odd reason

Oh

jp3...

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, instead we get a….extended rex face on a basic edgelord spino oc body

[tight lantern]

Freds Spino is perhaps the best dinosaur model in the game

[hoary dawn]

model

in the game

[barren zephyr]

model

[wicked furnace]

model

[dapper mirage]

I do not care what anyone says or how many people mock “xD spino sub rex,” there is a T. rex skull in that Spino and everyone knows it

[wicked furnace]

yep

Now, Run

[hoary dawn]

it has visual similarity to a rex yes

[tight lantern]

I forgot, what does the current model look like again? Anyone care to show the blasphemy?

[hoary dawn]

its not that bad, but could be a lot better

[dapper mirage]

I feel the same

[tight lantern]

not terrible, but definitely not Fred's model. I can see the Juvie Rex head comparison haha

[wicked furnace]

rex with an extended back spine

[dapper mirage]

It’s not terrible but I really want a tail fin

and just a better skull shape

[barren zephyr]

There’s something about it I really hate

[wicked furnace]

same, maybe smaller so its not like hotdog spino

[hoary dawn]

tail fin and larger sail would make it sex

[barren zephyr]

sex

[wicked furnace]

this is the best spinosaurus obviously

[dapper mirage]

speaking of mediocre models I still wonder why magy was given a flap of skin on its neck

[barren zephyr]

I still wonder why it was even considered a choice for the game

[wicked furnace]

just so make it unique, but it didnt work it looks ridiculous

[tight lantern]

also a terrible model

[dapper mirage]

That too

[wicked furnace]

Should be replaced with amargasaurus

[hoary dawn]

rhino anky good

[dapper mirage]

ok hot take I really love everything about the anky EXCEPT for the dip

The model that they showed looks nothing like the concept tho

The concept looks really cute but the model looks ugly

[wicked furnace]

wait they revealed the model?

[tight lantern]

Been on team Amarga for months now, glad it's potentially getting the nod of approval. It's larger than Magy, but still small enough for packs of carnivores to bring down

[dapper mirage]

Ye a while ago

[wicked furnace]

well i missed that lmao, can someone send it i wanna see it

[barren zephyr]

Shunosaurus

[wicked furnace]

damn that looks much better

[hoary dawn]

no dip

[wicked furnace]

apart from the weird plating on its arms, i swear ankys only had armour on the top

[dapper mirage]

It’s head needs a remodel there

[wicked furnace]

looks like hes holding some shields

[dapper mirage]

Looks really off

[cyan flame]

There's a dip there, or at the very least what could be one

[barren zephyr]

Mammalian Anky

[cyan flame]

Better angle of the model would be nice to have

[wicked furnace]

i think the jaw looks off, it just seems to be squared

[white rune]

Why does this came back from hell?

Let it rot in it.

[dapper mirage]

I love the anky’s tail personally. Gives me rodrigo Vega vibes.

[dapper mirage]

Ya definitely

[wicked furnace]

im 99% sure the tail is from this lmao

[dapper mirage]

looks similar. I like the isle’s even more tho

[wicked furnace]

They both look really nice, also the club looks really weird

it has plating lines on it

though it should just be one moulded together club

[hoary dawn]

@hoary dawn@honest sparrow@abstract lark@lofty pagoda

[abstract lark]

what a lovely discussion

[tidal fjord]

I genuinely don't understand why people are disagreeing with my post... unless they want cannibalism to cause debuffs in which case, what would be the benefits to that?

[lofty pagoda]

hi

[tidal fjord]

Sup

[barren zephyr]

hi

[abstract lark]

Acro

dilo????

better??

[barren zephyr]

Acrocanthosaurus

[hoary dawn]

i dont think cannibalism should cause any debuffs, animals eat eachother, it just shouldn't provide any dietary buffs unless its part of your diet and at most just slightly negatively impact your diet

[tidal fjord]

So u think the game is fine when there's a pack vs 1?

[hoary dawn]

you can get ganged up on by anything, not just your own species

[tidal fjord]

That's the main reason people go into mega packs

Well no, in other scenarios u could have the weight, health, speed or damage advantage

[hoary dawn]

you can have that depending on diet and growth state

a larger group is more likely to be weaker since they cant get enough food to keep everyone at peak strength

[tidal fjord]

I'm talking about adult Dino gameplay here... u don't really do out hunting big game when still growing

Go*

[white rune]

If you're found alone then unlucky

there are moments when you cando something and moments when you can't

that's sad but a true reality

[hoary dawn]

i just dont see why apply these debuffs to same species combat instead of packv1 combat for every animal

[tidal fjord]

You should increase the moments u can do something... especially in a game where u spend hours growing

[hoary dawn]

you can get ganged up on by anything as anything, that's just luck of the draw

[white rune]

If a pack of dinosaurs decide to kill a member of their species for no reasons or if they are hungry, why would you punish them? You're possible food item that isn't hard to get.

3 Ceratos found a juvenile counterpart, this poor little guy gonna die.

Or a juvenile Rex is found by an adult, it kills it because possible competition in the future.

[tidal fjord]

Let's say a pack of allos hunt a stego... the lone stego can still mess up one or 2 of the allos so it has the chance to survive that encounter... that's why u wouldn't want to apply buffs to all group vs 1s

[white rune]

Why should there be buffs?

[hoary dawn]

well a bunch of mid tiers hunting an apex is a bit different than same tier dinos killing eachother

[white rune]

At the very beginning.

[tidal fjord]

I said I'm taking about adults so I have no idea why ur bringing up juvis

[white rune]

Because it is the easiest to cannibalize.

[tidal fjord]

Well u haven't lost much time and its easy to start again. Also juvis are often easy to hide

[white rune]

Anyway, if someone is hungry and find someone of its specie, I don't see why there should be punishement. Be prepared for a harsh environment where you cannot trust anyone.

[tidal fjord]

It promotes mega packs