general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

so people actually explore

[carmine path]

Shallows is deadly cause of the Carnos that tend to roam there because it is one of the safe spots and deinos come through there to get to swamp

[desert tendon]

what are yalls predictions for when update 4 comes out

[carmine path]

Pachy Army

[desert tendon]

yes

[carmine path]

Simple as that

[desert tendon]

when do yall think update 4 is coming out

[carmine path]

20 light years

[fading fjord]

People exploring would solve a bunch of issues, Wave.

[desert tendon]

am i being optimistic when i want it at the end of the month

thats probably way too early

[limber hull]

pachy army seems sick tbh

just some motherfuckers headbutting everything they see

[carmine path]

Well considering they haven’t even started on Update 4 and are actively working on Update 3 bugs it is extremely unlikely

[fading fjord]

Spawning and just standing in the same location is Lame.

[desert tendon]

isnt the game set to "release" on june 20th

[desert tendon]

fair enough

[carmine path]

Little bastards is what they are

[limber hull]

another thing for me to confuse with carnoos

fuck yea

until of course they shatter my fucking ribs

[carmine path]

Ima just be a Deino lurking in the depths

[fading fjord]

Imagine headbutting trees as a Pachy and Pteras falling like 🍌

[limber hull]

wh

what

[desert tendon]

excuse me?

[limber hull]

banana dondi dinosaur laugh

im

is this a code

[carmine path]

Yes

We simply have to crack it

[desert tendon]

I-

[limber hull]

that caught me so off guard im actually losing my shit right now

[fading fjord]

Pteras will fall like🍌

[desert tendon]

did you just have an orgasm?

[limber hull]

idk why that's so fucking funny to me

[fading fjord]

[desert tendon]

what is life

[limber hull]

this is the funniest shit i have seen all day because i don't think a statement has ever left me so fucking perplexed

im crying oh my god

[urban flax]

A temporary error in the eternal moving stillness of the universe

[desert tendon]

huh

[carmine path]

Yes

[desert tendon]

interesting

[fading fjord]

Pachys headbutting certain trees will make em shake, and what is hanging on that tree will crumble

[desert tendon]

pteras arent even usually on trees lmao

[carmine path]

Rex as it plows through the entire jungle:

[desert tendon]

im excited for red woods

new map

[fading fjord]

I know, they bad Pteras.

[desert tendon]

honestly i dont even care if you knock those pteras out of trees

[fading fjord]

Good Pteras land&Rest in trees

[desert tendon]

they dont like excitement

[carmine path]

You can fly onto trees fairly easily if you know where the collision box is

[desert tendon]

i know. I have done it

i just think its boring and un fun

[fading fjord]

[carmine path]

I just peck the fuck outta carnos and fly up to there and be like “sup”

[fading fjord]

Ur not boring, youre hilarious

[desert tendon]

lol

i just recently learned that getting air momentum increases your aerial peck damage

[fading fjord]

I challenge you to do more Pyro.

[desert tendon]

you can deal a quarter of a stegos health with 4 pecks with enough momentum

its really hard tho

[fading fjord]

More than peck

[carmine path]

Prob cause they have a hit range the size of the sky box itself

[fading fjord]

Gotta love a good challenge

[desert tendon]

yes

i hope hypsi and herra will be able to nest in trees

[carmine path]

I wondering if they will attempt to fix stegos unbalanced ass because he can hit things out the sky 10ft above em

Hitboxes are whack

[desert tendon]

yeah

its a problem

[urban flax]

I hope that's just temporary to allow them to hit pteras

Until they get proper high attack animations

[desert tendon]

yeah

agreed

[fading fjord]

Debatable, but finally, some good general-feedback.

[desert tendon]

after thinking about it microraptor would literally just be herrera with less attack, health and it would glide

[fading fjord]

Wich server Pyro?

[desert tendon]

so i understand why its not in

[carmine path]

Heh

[desert tendon]

idk why an obscure dino like herrara was chosen before microraptor tho

[carmine path]

Update 2 Pounce Glitch Be like: Now i just want this beautiful underwater vegetation that is at least something to add to the barren depths

I need something under water its barren

I want to see something besides a damn deino I have to kill

[desert tendon]

we had this discussion before u got on

[urban flax]

Because it fits better into the roster

[fading fjord]

Wich servers Stegos were or are hitting 10ft above em?

[desert tendon]

we want underwater vegetation and ocean biomes for mososaurs and plesiosaurs

[carmine path]

This is just a thing like this is part of the game atm

[desert tendon]

with amanytes as AI

[carmine path]

Don’t worry bout the utah that is sitting underwater btw

[desert tendon]

underwater vegetation will probably be a thing because beipiao

[fading fjord]

Ok, if you say so.

Can i see a vid on this?

[carmine path]

I don’t got one just know from seeing it, experiencing it and testing it

[fading fjord]

Ok

Wich servers?

[desert tendon]

every server

[fading fjord]

Do you know?

[desert tendon]

mechanics and bugs are not exclusive to servers

sometimes fps drops and lag is exclusive but not stuff like that

[fading fjord]

We talking about different shit alr, Rex

[carmine path]

Nah its the same thing

[desert tendon]

ur talking about the stego tail right?

...

because if it is then idk why my sentence is unrelated

[fading fjord]

Bugs&mechanic issues differ from "fps drops"&lag issues.

[desert tendon]

i know

thats literally what i said

i said that mechanic and bug issues are not exclusive to servers

where as fps and lag is exclusive to server with things like high body count etc

[fading fjord]

Ok

1 thing is game issue the other might not be

[desert tendon]

i think you are misunderstanding what i am sayin

[fading fjord]

Bugs not lags

[desert tendon]

im saying that this stego tail hitbox is unrelated to the servers that you are playing on and has to do with the game as a whole

[fading fjord]

Mechanics not Dsync's

They get mixed in the process

[desert tendon]

where as issues like lag and fps drops are the things that are exclusive to servers and it seemed like you were confusing the two

[fading fjord]

But its different shit

[desert tendon]

sigh

im not even gonna try

[fading fjord]

Is this Troo'don mess with me?!? Really?!?

[sonic mural]

@steep warren as long as the Utahs don’t get an overpowered buff that unbalances it lol I think this is a good idea

[urban flax]

@steep warren Even if the Utahs don't get an overpowered buff I think it's a terrible idea
Buffs in this kind of game are pretty stupid (especially proximity buffs) and utahs absolutely don't need an incentive to make packs

[chilly slate]

utar

[sonic mural]

@gloomy plume what?😂

[gloomy plume]

Why not??

It can be a haunted one

[chilly slate]

why would there be a beach house in a dinosaur survival game

[gloomy plume]

IT IS A HAUNTED BEACH HOUSE DID YOU NOT READ IT?

[chilly slate]

The only human structures are industrial

[chilly slate]

Doesn't matter

[steady lintel]

There’s ghost in the game ?

[urban flax]

You've got a weird kink Hypeking

[gloomy plume]

Made by a cannibal that lives in the basement

[sonic mural]

So u want a haunted beach houses in a dinosaur survival game? I get we have human structures but come on

[odd sedge]

but why

what purpose

[gloomy plume]

Why

[chilly slate]

[sonic mural]

Why would the cannibal be in a basement wouldn’t it try to find things to eat???

[gloomy plume]

Well so we can have a cannibal live in basement of the beach house

[sonic mural]

[gloomy plume]

Its trys to leave but the exit is to small

[steady lintel]

Easy solution when tribals come out simply build a house or shelter on the beach

[chilly slate]

how did it get in lol

[sonic mural]

Then how would it get in if the exit is too small?

[chilly slate]

This sounds like a bad horror game concept

[sonic mural]

Lmao

[gloomy plume]

So the cannibal was originally a human overtime it turned into a cannibal because it was worked on down below the beach house because the beach house is actually a science place were like they make your stuff

[odd sedge]

BUT WHY

[chilly slate]

o_o

[gloomy plume]

So what I’m saying is scientist made the cannibal down there and the cannibal obviously ate them and it couldn’t get out after that because the exit was way too small

[glad dirge]

In a... beach house?

[urban flax]

The more they talk about it, the more stupid it sounds

[chilly slate]

Yep

[gloomy plume]

Yes not in the beach house though in the basement below it because I actually love the beach house is pretty much an underground base so that’s why they would make it why else would they not make an underground base

[odd sedge]

What purpose?
Why?
What is the point of making this?

[sonic mural]

If u said human structure it would make better sense but a beach house nah

[gloomy plume]

Whyyyy

[glad dirge]

Because its a beach house

[sonic mural]

Bcuz it’s dumb lol

[chilly slate]

Such a stretch

[odd sedge]

There is no purpose

Waste of space and money

[gloomy plume]

What I’m saying is the beach house it’s not gonna look like a perfect beach house it’s going to be haunted it’s going to have a ghost up there but then in the basement it’s like an underground base where they make stuff and there’s gonna be bones down there in blood everywhere because of the cannibal that ate all of them

[odd sedge]

[chilly slate]

Buildings in the isle don't have a story

[glad dirge]

..ghost?

[sonic mural]

BRO THERES NOT SUPPOSED TO BE GHOST IN A DINOSAUR SURVIVAL GAME 😂

[odd sedge]

Ghost

[gloomy plume]

Well I’m just saying is you could just be a haunted beach house that leads to an underground base that is overtaken by cannibal it’s not gonna look like a perfect like like nice Hawaii beach house it’s gonna look like a really scary haunted beach house

[chilly slate]

Ghost dinosaur survival game

[odd sedge]

Ghost lmao

[sonic mural]

[gloomy plume]

Never said there was no ghost I’m saying it’s haunted by the cannibal I never said there was no ghost it’s haunted by the cannibal

[glad dirge]

Yeah you lost me at beach house

[odd sedge]

Still.
Why

[chilly slate]

Haunted by something living ok

[odd sedge]

Why would anyone go there
What purpose would it serve for gameplay

[sonic mural]

“It’s going to have a ghost up there”

[chilly slate]

Maybe if this house was a facility or something

It would be useless though

[gloomy plume]

Because it supposed to be something like scary and a beach house is haunted not by ghost by the cannibal with an underground base and if that’s a Bandan by scientist that has a cannibal on it that be kind of cool in my opinion because the skin supposed to be like a scary game I guess but I think like maybe if we just add like scary haunted not by ghost again haunted by a cannibal house that would be pretty cool in my opinion and maybe you can be like a chill spot or something you know

[chilly slate]

You gonna mine diamonds in your underground base?

[sonic mural]

[glad dirge]

Rando Beach house with a cannibal in meemaws basement and casper in the attic

[odd sedge]

It's. A. Dinosaur. Survival. Game

[gloomy plume]

Yes I know I heard you

[inner hound]

extreme confusion

why beach houses..

[gloomy plume]

I’m just saying we have like one haunted beach house

Or maybe we can have an abandoned beach resort or something and he can have like cannibals in it or something or some stuff in it or like bones or something

[glad dirge]

Abandoned docks?

[chilly slate]

Yes, beach houses with ghosts, cannibals, and underground bases

[inner hound]

thats very oddly specific...

[sonic mural]

Why would there be a resort

[glad dirge]

Beach resort? No this isnt.. jw

[inner hound]

we will get human buildings that are tied to more military stuff.
not holidays

[chilly slate]

Yeah

[odd sedge]

Look look look, I like the concept of more haunted looking places like ruins and stuff where the atmosphere is just extra thick and mostly eye candy.

But a cannibal in a beach house makes no sense

[gloomy plume]

I don’t know I’m just trying to make ideas because I just thought if I didn’t I thought would be really cool but then why when I say it everyone just is like not that positive about it and I just don’t know why everyone’s always like not the nurses about it like I know I’m supposed to expect what I get but like it’s just

[inner hound]

a port/docks ( i assume comes back ), the radio towers, many little stations where mercenaries would get shit or whatever.

HypeKIng, because its not a good idea to people.

[chilly slate]

In a facility with the old cannibal concept would be less stupid

No ghosts pls

[inner hound]

not everyone is gonna respond positvely to ones ideas

[sonic mural]

^

[gloomy plume]

Yes ik

[inner hound]

i got shit on my ideas, but i realized i was pepega at ideas

LOL

[glad dirge]

I think a better version of that would be abandoned building/outposts that can be repaired. Perhaps to get a better view of the island, etc

Supplies perhaps, satellite connection etc

[wintry monolith]

how do people still think the isle is suposed to be realistic

[full canopy]

its kinda hard to teamwork when you might accidentally bite a friend

[inner hound]

my early isle days suggestions " buff utah, docks should b safe heaven for utahs"

[wintry monolith]

i mean look at utah FOR MORE THAN ONE SECOND

[sonic mural]

[gloomy plume]

Well i guess no beach house

[inner hound]

wish i could delete the old me

[gloomy plume]

There goes that

[sonic mural]

Then u wouldn’t exist now lol

[odd sedge]

Get this

Ruins or abandoned human structures with less insect noises, wood creaking, wind howling and other noises that just make for a nice atmosphere would be amazing

[sonic mural]

True

[gloomy plume]

Ye

[odd sedge]

I like thick atmospheres

[gloomy plume]

I agree

[inner hound]

abandonded buildings that fit the theme are fine

beach house does not go very well with military bases tho

[odd sedge]

^

[undone parcel]

The teleeppooooorrttinnngggggggggggggg my god.

[gloomy plume]

Or maybe there can be a small wooden dock that is all broken up

[glad dirge]

Whitewater rivers

[gloomy plume]

Then have like a lil dock house

[inner hound]

its so incredibly out of place. yknow.
theres already lots of cool stuff Visual Tech has created, regarding buildings in #phase-two-archive

[gloomy plume]

That is also all broken up

[inner hound]

you know what id like to seee?

sunken military ship, somewhere close to beach or at a bach

[glad dirge]

Treestands

[inner hound]

have loot in there for future merc gameplay

[glad dirge]

Oh

Yes

Much better

[sonic mural]

Indeed

[inner hound]

like a military ship with the AE symbol on it,

ez pz lemon squeezy

being interactive by having loot hidden in it. for mercs, tribals and what not.

would also be a nice landmark

[glad dirge]

Well there's gonna be special human AE weapons

For deleting dinos

[gloomy plume]

Oh how about we have a ship that crashed onto the beach and that was holding all of the mercs and then when it crashes all of the mercs rub out of the ship and be free on the island! Maybe we can do that

[inner hound]

rare AE weapon locked underwater in the sunken ship?

[glad dirge]

Beached cargo ships? :o

[gloomy plume]

Yess

[inner hound]

dont shoot me for that haha. but what id also love to see is the crashed plane from JP3 as a little reference.

somewhere in a tree, with loot LOl

[glad dirge]

Definitely want some crashed planes

[gloomy plume]

We should have a beached ships with mercs in them

[glad dirge]

Merc... ai? No.

Supplies? Guns? Yes

[inner hound]

mercs will be playable

^

[sonic mural]

Yes

[sonic mural]

We know

[inner hound]

was a statement for ppl who didnt know

i assumed hypeking didnt know for that matter

[sonic mural]

Oh lol

[inner hound]

dw lol

[gloomy plume]

Ik about the mercs

[inner hound]

ah mb

[desert tendon]

are "mercs" mercenaries? or am i stupid

[inner hound]

yes

[desert tendon]

ok got it

[inner hound]

easier to type lol

[desert tendon]

im rusty on dino name abbreviations so i just wanted to make sure i wasnt being dummmmmm

[inner hound]

ur fine

[desert tendon]

thnx

[sonic mural]

@wintry monolith they said they were thinking or planning of making feathers an option for dinos that could’ve actually had it like Utah

[gloomy plume]

Ok i changed my idea

On #general-feedback

[inner hound]

you just changed it to my ship idea

[wintry monolith]

i know but the game is still not realistic, if it wanted to be utah would be feathered from the begining

[gloomy plume]

?

[inner hound]

well half of it. nvm

dont think mercs should be in the ship at the first place

it should be abandonend

iirc there was a mentioning from dondi

loooong

long time ago

[sonic mural]

But not everybody likes the feathers that’s why I think it was smart for them to not put it in yet

[inner hound]

how mercs come to the island

dont quote me on that tho

either it was by parachutes ? or idk. ts been way too long

[sonic mural]

I personally like feathers but I respect that some ppl don’t like them since some feathers can look bad depending on how some games put them on

[gloomy plume]

@inner hound ??

[ashen wasp]

not everybody likes skin either, i think we should just be playing as a bunch of fossils running around. The Most Accurate

[inner hound]

dont quote me on that or trust me. its just smth ive vaguely remember

[wintry monolith]

you dont get my point, a lot of ppl are saying MaKE GamE ReALisTIc and the game was never intended to be realstic

[sonic mural]

At least they consider making it an option so we could most likely get it since ppl argue about it so theres no point of commenting about it now

[ashen wasp]

oh, i remember this old idea for a dinosaur spawn system that would have your animal airdropped from a plane in a big crate with a parachute, and you could slam yourself into the sides to change where it lands on the island

[inner hound]

i mean everyone knows its not realistic, and not intended to be realistic

people forget the "balance > realism" thing most of the time

[wintry monolith]

i like feathers i dont want the game to be relism focused becuase pot and saurin allredy does that good

[sonic mural]

I know it’s not supposed to be realistic I never disagreed about that I’m just talking about where u mentioned feathers

[wintry monolith]

yeah because if the game wanted to be realistic they would add utah feather asap

[inner hound]

while yes we hold quite a few things that seem or appear realistic, when they actually arent.
i believe the isle has this nice mixture of realism/semi realism and pure fiction

[sonic mural]

Same

[inner hound]

the feather option is a future thing , because its such a minor thing atm.
so yeah. if the game was intended to be realistic from the beginning, we wouldve had feathered utah

jsut gonna...ah underline if

[sonic mural]

I just hope it looks good when we get the option

[inner hound]

i do personally believe not every animal will look good with feathers or pycno

[wintry monolith]

dont get me wrong, i dont hate realism, i hate ppl who say make the game realstic. If the devs made it more realstic i would roll with it as long as the isle is still the isle with all the cool lore

[inner hound]

but things like galli? utah? hell even maybe alberto?

go ahead and gimme those featheries

[urban flax]

Trike might look nice with feathers too

[manic flint]

They will

They're gonna be skins

[inner hound]

ceratopsians could deserve some quills imo

[manic flint]

They have confirmed

Quills maybe I hope so lol

[ashen wasp]

mhm. my thoughts are that The Isle should prioritize gameplay over realism, but a healthy amount of consistency and grounding couldn't hurt. Speculation is welcome to a degree, like with Hypsi's projectile vomiting, or Homalo's burrowing, and obviously I'll always prefer animals to have their "canonical" integument, but it's all secondary to an entertaining playable experience.

Now, am I grateful for future feathered alts?? Yes I am. I very much am.

[wintry monolith]

i wonder if all dinos evolved feathers seperatly or if their common ancestor had it

ie therapods and the other big groups that i cant rember

[ashen wasp]

that's a question for #paleotalk but iirc we think feathers may be an ancestral condition to all dinosaurs (at least Ornithoscelidans), with many groups having secondarily lost them.

[wintry monolith]

i realsied that after i wrote the question

[ashen wasp]

ah, carry on then

[inner hound]

i agree. i sounded like id advocate for balance only there tbf aha,,, but a healthy amount of both definetly could do wonders

[fading fjord]

No1 wants 2 disturb a good discussion, but if we take em to the right place, it might help us as community&game itself.

[bronze oasis]

Does anyone know how much HP each dino has in evrima currently?

[golden beacon]

Deino 8000, Utah 500, Carno 1800, Teno 1600, Stego 4000, Hypsi 20?, Ptera 80, Dryo ???

I think weight is health if im wrong im wrong

[bronze oasis]

Weight does not equal life in evrima.

[golden beacon]

oh well theres the weight anyway lol

[bronze oasis]

[limber hull]

Deino is 8000, however utah is 1000 and i believe teno is 2000

not sure on the othhers

i also think carno is 2000

[full canopy]

is the cave safe yet or will my Deino drown there?

[compact hare]

is it the cave at center? Im not sure if its safe but the cave at center has a second way to get in

[still raptor]

I put no growth on human to fully outrage all the people who genuinely want human growth.

[compact hare]

[urban flax]

How is ptera 90 kg ?
Isn't it supposed to be like 25 kg irl ?

[still raptor]

They use the maximum size estimates iirc.

Unless it infringes on balance.

[urban flax]

I don't see how something that tiny can weigh so much

Especially considering it flies

[still raptor]

So like lets say Utah got a massive upsize to 1,500 kg. It won't get a size increase due to it being not balanced to the normal 500 kg Utah.

[patent garden]

werent real utahs a lot bigger and less agile?

[urban flax]

Real Utah's highest estimate is 700 kg

[patent garden]

yeh so they downsized em a bit for balance

[urban flax]

And yes, it's a lot bigger and less agile
Our utah realistically wouldn't even weigh 500 kg

[golden beacon]

Nah sometimes its smaller, herra looks much smaller in the concept art as it did irl

[desert rain]

Idk, it's kinda funny to me how people talk about realism and dinosaurs, didn't know that u were around millions of years and actually saw them. I'm pretty sure that most dinosaurs weren't even close with the looks that "scientists" say they did. And it's a game after all we don't need to have everything as close to "realism" as possible

[golden beacon]

Man carno isnt worth for 3 hours just play raptor

[drifting radish]

wait hold on

why you did quote scientist like they dont exsist?

[urban flax]

Science is a lie

[hybrid matrix]

this isnt common knowledge???

bro what's wrong with the schools these days

[urban flax]

Schools are a part of the government's plan to make us believe we can go on the moon so there's nothing wrong with destroying Earth using 5G towers

[drifting radish]

https://tenor.com/view/laura-roslin-battlestar-galactica-dying-die-gif-4668621

[desert rain]

ment the whole palaeontology but yeah science doesn't exist, Im genuently surprised that u didn't know it

[drifting radish]

so then u dont believe in palaeontology?

[desert rain]

ok it gets too complicated

[hybrid matrix]

back in my day, they were still teachin us about alchemy
now there's all this "physics" garbage
i mean wtf is a quark? and there's that whole shit with the luigi particle that they somehow cant find. I found luigi! JUST LOOK AT FUCKING MARIO!! HE'S RIGHT THERE WITH HIS BROTHER!!!

[drifting radish]

i dont mean this in like, a judging way to clarify im just slightly confused

[urban flax]

So damn stupid right
Alchemy, at least, was purely based on facts

[hybrid matrix]

exacrlty

[desert rain]

nah, I believe in paleontology just put scientists in "" because was too lazy to actually google the people who study dinosaurs etc

[drifting radish]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

ok, that makes a ton more sense, thank lol

[desert rain]

xD

[hybrid matrix]

bruh you actually believe that stuff? i bet you also think the earth is flat, don't you!

allow me to enlighten u

the earth is a dinosaur

[desert rain]

umm the earth is flat duh

[hybrid matrix]

end of discussion

[desert rain]

no the earth is actually under a giant turtle

[drifting radish]

not under, on it!

the earth is being carried by a giant turtle that we cant see b the earth is flat

duh.

[urban flax]

Is that still general feedback tho ?

[desert rain]

looks like this

[hybrid matrix]

incorrect
this is the earth

[desert rain]

who did tell u those lies

[glad dirge]

utarth

[desert rain]

it cant be, imagne if u lived on the land that is on its feet, you could see sea above you

[icy lion]

lets keep this on topic

[hybrid matrix]

no you cant because its too dark to see the sea

[full canopy]

Bro the deino who came to the pond, asking if we were friendly, acting all nice only to start killing me, the only adult Deino and all the juvies might just be the biggest fucknut I've met so far

What a grade-A asshole

Damn I want server rules

[desert rain]

hmm, thats a valid point but how would planes fly then

[hybrid matrix]

bc of the upward force of the ankylosphere

duh

[desert rain]

cap, I believe that planes are fake and they try to fool us and make us believe in it

[hybrid matrix]

well then ur just too stupid to argue with

[desert rain]

I gonna report you to "The Flat Earth Society" for discrimination!

[sonic mural]

Damn

[paper oriole]

Utar

[sonic mural]

Utar?

[paper oriole]

The dude's pack suggestion

Utar

Don’t think a pack buff is necessary at all though

[urban flax]

Yay
Like the elders say "When you read a poop suggestion on the Islecord, this is a poop that you shall not encounter somewhere else during your day"
We got today's one

[inner hound]

ah another poop suggestion. the legends were true

[hoary dawn]

dondi please add warm moist shit to the game its really important

[urban flax]

He would answer that there's already warm moist shit in the game
And it's the player

[ashen wasp]

actually.

[barren zephyr]

I also believe in turtle-earth

[paper oriole]

Press E to inspect shit

[barren zephyr]

Press E to Eat-

nvm

[paper oriole]

[barren zephyr]

At some point someone will suggest that

[spiral thunder]

Does anyone know if more animations are going to be available? Things that are just for immersion/ aesthetic reasons. One being able to lay down without logging out?

[paper oriole]

Somebody actually suggested compies eating shit, if i recall correctly

The devs had some emote animations planned at some point i think, idk if thats still happening

Ah yes here it is, that glorious suggestion

Also good luck making carni diets strictly herbi/omni when 80% of the base plays carni. Also you are basing off of mammals who often avoid eating carnivore meat, birds and reptiles couldn't care less

Eating other carnivores and even cannibalism is common among reptiles and birds

[static niche]

yeah, but who gives a shit about realism tbh

[fading fjord]

[paper oriole]

Realism is an inspiration, gameplay takes priority

[fading fjord]

Agreed

[paper oriole]

But still no reason a carno would avoid eating a utah or a rex would avoid eating some random juvie rex it found

[fading fjord]

[static niche]

[fading fjord]

[paper oriole]

[fading fjord]

Good feedback

[sonic mural]

Will any carnivores be able to burrow or just some herbis?

[hybrid matrix]

mfw im reminded about my checkered past

[paper oriole]

Pretty sure nothing is confirmed on that but small carnis will be able to invade

Lmao oh yeah that was your suggestion, glorious

[sonic mural]

Good #troodongang

[hybrid matrix]

funnily enough, i actually came up with all of the details about that suggestion while taking a shit

[sonic mural]

What😂

[paper oriole]

“I'm feeling inspired”

Press E to drop the load

[hybrid matrix]

yo at first when i read the poop suggestion i thought it said "identification" and not "defecation"
so i thought it was about being able to identify the smells of different dinos
then when i read the part about being able to tell who dropped the deuce, well lets just say that hit me like a train

[paper oriole]

The idendefecation

[hybrid matrix]

although

being able to smell the difference between dinos would actually make sense

[paper oriole]

Maybe mono can do it

[hybrid matrix]

or at the very least make sense for differentiating carnivores and herbivores

[paper oriole]

Mono's special ability could be remembering smells

To identify tracks

He's got a big nose

[hybrid matrix]

that could work for rex too

since a lot of rex's brain was devoted to scent

iirc

i think

[paper oriole]

Hmm maybe, though it would make mono so special

[urban flax]

@hybrid matrix Your suggestion is literally Dead by Daylight's red marks system
And it's great

[hybrid matrix]

why thank you

@silver zephyr why dont u like the idea?

[static niche]

It's a nice suggestion, could work as a passive ability for dinosaurs who either have more intelligence or higher sensitivity to smells.

The isle would be nicer with more passive abilities to differentiate dinosaurs further, more them more unique to their own, rather than just shitting out new fighting abilities.

[drifting radish]

@spiral drum YES thank you thank you thank you!! I've been having trouble with this since they map got redone, but you put it together so well! I'd like the think the suggestions about greenery have been my own lil way of bringing V3 back, but you put it much better.

can't agree more. was easy to get around in v3, with landmarks and different types of trees and hills and land marks where you could tell where you were.

here... just same trees everywhere, all the rivers look the same, its very repeatitive,

[urban flax]

It's normal
The map was made before the dev team found a mapper

[drifting radish]

right, but i dont think they had a mapper for v3, did they? I wasnt around when it became the final version it is now so--

[urban flax]

I don't know about v3

[hybrid matrix]

@steady sleet no spiders tho

the game is already terrifying

spiders will make me not play it

[urban flax]

Are you arachnophobic derptah ?

[drifting radish]

sadge. whoever did the redwood back in the day though... ah man.... i want that back

[hybrid matrix]

once at a zoo i saw a spider carved from a wooden post

i screamed and started crying in public

in front of other ppl

[urban flax]

damn

[drifting radish]

oh no.

thats really bad

[hybrid matrix]

i dont need some fucking spider in my dinosaur game that makes me shit my pants to make me scream randomly

[urban flax]

Phobias are terrible
It's hard to make a horror game without trigerring anyone's phobias tho

[hybrid matrix]

i mean
on the one hand, there are games like subnautica, which you shouldnt play if u have thalassophobia, but then there's games like the isle, which you wouldnt expect to have spiders

and also

[rare vine]

there could be an arachnophobia mode

[hybrid matrix]

prehistoric spiders WERE FUCKING HUGE

modern ones are also huge BUT SERIOUSLY

WTF IS WRONG WITH EVOLUTION

WHY MAKE SPIDERS

[drifting radish]

literally cannot play subnautica. I will pass out and or cry

[urban flax]

We're probably not getting prehistoric spiders anyway
If we get spiders as AI fauna, you could probably just play anything bigger than a velo and simply not see them

[rare vine]

uhh

about that

some spiders were HUGE

[hybrid matrix]

just NO SPIDERS

and can we please stop talking about spiders

im getting itchy

[drifting radish]

sure can do

[hybrid matrix]

and uncomfortable with my surroundings

[swift dew]

I want a giant spider-like monster in the game. but I guess we can stop and talk about your scent thing

[hybrid matrix]

spider-like is fine
i dont like looking at most arachnids but spiders just freak me the fuck out

so if u mean a big scorpion then im fine with it

[rare vine]

ooooo pulmono?

[hybrid matrix]

whip spiders? also fine with it bc theyre more like scorpions without tails

[urban flax]

So derptah have you ever played dead by daylight ? Since your suggestion sounds a lot like it

[hybrid matrix]

no

[swift dew]

(marked for spoiler because idk if this will trigger arachnophobia in someone) something like this but smaller and a different head.

[hybrid matrix]

btw im half-working rn so if my replies are late, thats why

[hybrid matrix]

if its not a spider then im fine

but thanks for making it a spoiler

most arachnids that arent spiders are just uncomfortable to look at

[urban flax]

This is how it looks in-game

[hybrid matrix]

whay are there scratch marks on the floor

and well

in general

[urban flax]

They appear when a survivor runs and work like footprints

[hybrid matrix]

theres a lot of them

oh

well ig yeah its sorta like DbD

[urban flax]

But they're more of an element of gameplay rather than simulating anything

[hybrid matrix]

k

[urban flax]

I think in legacy, footprints appeared above leaves, right ?

Or was it in the early versions of evrima ?

[hybrid matrix]

legacy

footprints have always been underneath plants in evrima

[urban flax]

hmm

[drifting radish]

ok. small idea here for the ovi eating the bugs on a carcass.

if there is a carcass

why would you bother eating the bugs?

[paper oriole]

if it's at the point that it is swarming with bugs, maybe it is not safe for ovi to eat

i doubt he's going to be digging into bodies, he will probably eat small things

compies, fresher gore, eggs, other small ai, bugs, fruit

[drifting radish]

control wise, how would you do that? eat the bug on the carcass without eating the carcass?

that'd be pretty hard to do from a programing standpoint i think

[paper oriole]

might be similar to catching fish schools where you bite for them

small dinos can bite for bug swarms

[hybrid matrix]

u mean for individual bugs

meanwhile larger dinos just eat the whole swarm in one go

[paper oriole]

personally i dont think large dinos should really be eating bugs

though even if they did it would supply like 0.5% food to them

[hybrid matrix]

also shouldnt be eating fish but here we are

[paper oriole]

fish are a bit less absurd than like a cerato eating some corpse flies

i agree schools of small fish should be useless to big dinos tho

[worn pumice]

Insects should be like the small fish we have now

Maybe even have elite insects lol

[hybrid matrix]

meganeura

honestly i could see a utahraptor get about 25% of its hunger from a meganeura

[drifting radish]

@delicate tulip u can. I have them tied to my other mouse keys. main attks on left/right and alts on M1 and M2

[paper oriole]

The dude asking for reactions aside from thumb up/down to be disallowed in the feedback channel removed his feedback when he got reactions

[vast wolf]

[fading fjord]

Is this Troo'don fuck with me?!? Really?!? U remenber the guy name?!?

[paper oriole]

What lol

[vast wolf]

[odd sedge]

[paper oriole]

I am confusion

[fading fjord]

Who wanted reactions disallowed aside thumbs?

[paper oriole]

I didnt catch the guys name unfortunately

[fading fjord]

[paper oriole]

He got like 3 reactions, none of which were thumbs, and then deleted his post

[odd sedge]

Lmao

[fading fjord]

I been warned not to spam/abuse reactions

[fading fjord]

Shame

[delicate tulip]

Yes you can have them like that but you still need to hold down alt or ctrl or the other two, what I want is to not Need to hold down those keys but instead do the secondary attacks JUST with my mouse buttons WITHOUT the need to hold down alt if that makes sense

[drifting radish]

you dont. i dont have to press cntrl or alt. if you have them bound to the alt mouse buttons, uncheck the alt/cntrl ticks next to them so they're all blank

like so.

[glad dirge]

Thats what I do too

[floral saffron]

ok idk why ive seen this so many times today but do NOT give scent crutches to certain animals. there is no reason for it. at all. literally who is confusing a dryo for a giga or a teno for a raptor or some shit? their footprints look different and are different sizes. u can also tell how fast theyre moving by how far apart the prints are, which gives a LOT of info from further insight as to what the animal is (if ur still not sure) to how much stam it might have or whether or not theyre conserving it or if u have a chance to catch up. scent telling a rex that this is a female teno at half health is not good for gameplay, its a crutch haphazardly gifted to an apex. just learn to play the game ffs

[paper oriole]

rex shouldnt have it, definitely

something like mono would make a lot more sense, it is small and currently has nothing going for it unless the devs have something they haven't revealed

it should just be for him, honestly

dont think it needs to delve further in like their health percentage and shit though

[swift dew]

special scent alone isnt going to get anybody playing something, rugops and mono both need some crazy ability other wise nobody will play either, I don't see why an ability as little as special scent couldn't go to multiple things

[floral saffron]

ok but like

why at all

literally just learn to play the game?

[paper oriole]

i mean i doubt it would be its only ability

[swift dew]

its like deino water sense, animals that are going to be tracking/edurance hunters would benefit from a special scent greatly

[paper oriole]

rex really doesnt need something like it though

[swift dew]

you could just tell deinos to play the game instead of giving them wall hacks, but it is useful and makes sense

and really doesn't make that much of a difference

[floral saffron]

ok but water sense makes sense, theres no amount of skill or experience that allows u to see thru murky water better, thats not a thing u can learn to do via playing so its actually necessary for gameplay. improved scent is just "i can track anything i want with absolutely zero skill or effort required so u may as well just be standing out in the open because that bush isn't doing shit"

it isn't gonna add to gameplay, its gonna fuckin suck for it

[swift dew]

your making it sound like its going to be land wall hacks, its literally just an ability that allows you to tell what something is when you track it. like oh this is a trike better not go after it because im smaller than utah

[honest sparrow]

90% sure dondi confirmed rex would have better than average scent a while ago

[paper oriole]

better than average scent is a different thing

doesnt confirm anything like tagging an individual's scent

[swift dew]

other than that its literally the exact same thing

[paper oriole]

not that anything like this is needed but if it got added it could be something for mono

[floral saffron]

some ppl are suggesting a lot more than that, like increased view distance and a decrease in environment saturation, which would make scent trails more visible and visible from further away. that kinda is land-"grass hacks" if u will

[swift dew]

well that isnt the suggestion I was talking about. ofc a scent that just tells you exactly where something is would be bad. half the game is about hiding, all this person said is that you would be able to see what kind of animal the scent left, nothing more nothing less.

[floral saffron]

i was talking about all the recent scent suggestions, but sure that bit isn't as offensive. a mid-size carni being able to walk up to a track and realize exactly what animal left it is fine, i dont think its a needed addition but thats not game-breaking at least. walking up to a turd and knowing the animal's species, age, gender, and health is another story tho, and that was an actual suggestion

[swift dew]

fair enough

[paper oriole]

being able to tag an individual's scent in order to single them out from their pack/herd, which would make their blood and footprints show up differently, wouldn't be op for something small like mono i think

telling health, hunger, and sex of a dino and whatever from footprints is unnecessary though yeah

[hoary dawn]

so the attack where tenonto throws its tail in the air to kick makes no sense, but the attack where tenonto throws its tail in the air to slam it back down does . . .

[paper oriole]

oh well, teno kind of needs it, otherwise he'd be fodder if he couldn't go wild the way he does

[drifting radish]

It’s not kicking it’s tail in the air. It’s just kicking. Like a horse

The tail just gets thrown by extension

[swift dew]

but the teno doesn't just slam it down it throws its tail high into the air, and then brings it back down

[hoary dawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/683399052834242583/TenontoTail2.mp4

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/682437527017095171/TenontoKick3.mp4

the kick actually doesn't even go as high as the tail slam

[tawdry holly]

have they given back global chat?

[hoary dawn]

no

[tawny juniper]

No

[swift dew]

no and they never will

[hoary dawn]

its gone

[tawny juniper]

It isn't coming back until it's modded in

[hoary dawn]

bye bye

[tawdry holly]

cool, main reason not to play evrima

just checking

[swift dew]

bye then 👋

[tawdry holly]

👋

[tawny juniper]

Yeah I agree. Why should we play this game when we can't talk openly in a bush forever? 🙄

[swift dew]

the worst part is that you can its this thing called discord

[hoary dawn]

being able to communicate with everyone across the entire map instantly really immerses you in the world

makes me feel like im in a real ecosystem

but yea if you want a chatroom there are so many programs that allow that, you dont need to play a dinosaur game to talk with other people

[drifting radish]

What’s with the whole immersion stuff? Like, I don’t get it. I play because I like the game, not RPing as the animal amd trying to immerse myself into the game and Dino’s life.
I liked global for things like rules, “body down”, chatting with other people that you know, aren’t your species or in your area. See what’s poppin, let people know so,etching “hey there’s a dieno there fyi”

Also because I love seeing the shit that goes down, drama wise HAHAHA

but I like the option of it being a server option. For those who play in realism server vs those like me who play in not.

[paper oriole]

don't think they WANT people saying "hey there are deinos in this river"

[hoary dawn]

the vision of the game is to create an immersive experience, just use discord if you want to talk to people and use the isle to play as a dinosaur

[paper oriole]

i enjoyed the salt and drama in global on some servers, and general community shit on others, i wish they'd keep global as an option for sandbox servers when they come

[hybrid matrix]

this is why i said that it could go to either rex or mono in my suggestion

[drifting radish]

But chat helps? Like, discord’s great and all, but it’s so boring. Only talking to ur species, so few people.

[hoary dawn]

the rules of unofficial servers should not have influence on the production of what the devs want the game to be

[swift dew]

honestly sandbox is already a shitshow in legacy, they might aswell give global to them

[drifting radish]

Like I said, they could make it an option I. The server. Let the ad,ins decide.

[hoary dawn]

they can when global gets modded back in

[paper oriole]

exactly, what fucking immersion would be removed from SANDBOX by global? sandbox is already a clusterfuck

[drifting radish]

A lot of people like global. A lot dont. Make it server to server,. Easy.

[paper oriole]

the thing about it having to be modded in, is there will probably be multiple global chat mods, so you will have to go through the great inconvenience of downloading many mods for one feature that had been a part of the game forever if you want to chat on all the servers you play on that have it

[drifting radish]

Hadn’t even thought of that. Yuck. Sounds messy

[hoary dawn]

modding games in a nutshell

[drifting radish]

Nahhh. On ffxiv I’m telling you it’s easy as shit. Maybe not like, the parser, but the mods and shaders? Too easy, a child could do emmmm
Only games I’ve modded, to be fair tho lmao

[desert tendon]

beip better be a faster swimmer than deino. If its not than it has no chance of surving. It would make sense for it to outspeed deino anyways as crocs are ambush hunters and not made for chasing down prey

[hoary dawn]

i doubt beipi will be a faster swimmer than deino

it already has the speed advantage on land

[desert tendon]

it should though

because wtf is it supposed to do to a deino

[hoary dawn]

run

onto land

[sullen token]

Imagine not being able to chat. Once someone makes a mod for that, I'll never play vanilla servers then

[desert tendon]

diving birds like cormorants and mergansers, and not to mention penguins have much higher swim speeds than crocs

[hoary dawn]

it might be

i just dont really see why it should seeing as though it wont have to go into the water too much other than to fish

[swift dew]

regular crocs, this croc is much much bigger and has a bigger tail to propel itself, compared to beipi which is just a penguin without wings to propel itself and would be slower than them. I know its a game but you brought up real life so I can too

[hoary dawn]

from a balancing standpoint i think beipi being faster than deino would just make beipi life too easy

[desert tendon]

penguins have a maximum speed of 30-40 km/h. Crocs have a max speed of 14-15 km/h even if they are slower than penguins, they weigh much less and are much more aerodynamic than crocs

[desert tendon]

thats fair i guess

but beipi still has to deal with tons of land predators that can almost certainly outspeed it

[hybrid matrix]

Aquadynamic*

[desert tendon]

yeah sorry i just noticed that

[icy lion]

hydrodynamic*

[hoary dawn]

waterdynamic

[swift dew]

dynamic*

[icy lion]

swimmy good

[desert tendon]

whatever

you get what i mean lmao

[hoary dawn]

it waters goodly

[desert tendon]

indeed

at least i hope

[hybrid matrix]

actually it's aquadynamic

hydrodynamics is the study of water (apparently)

[desert tendon]

at the very least, if it's not faster than deino then make it have better watersense when swimming

[hybrid matrix]

while aquadynamic is having a shape that reduces drag from the water

[icy lion]

oh

well til

i didnt realize they were separate/aquadynamic was a word

[hybrid matrix]

i didnt realize hydrodynamic was a word

[desert tendon]

can we agree that if beipi is not faster, then it should have better water sense than deino

[paper oriole]

beipi should definitely be much faster in water

[desert tendon]

yeah it should

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i feel like deino isnt gonna be beipis main pred

i think it'll be sucho

so if its fast enough to escape deinos but not fast enough to escape sucho then that ok

or bary actually

sucho might be kinda large for that

[desert tendon]

much more aquadynamic and modern day aquatic birds can outspeed crocs

[hybrid matrix]

or actually austro

hmmmmm

austro v beipi is like a mini acro v theri, isnt it....

[drifting radish]

Bary would be good, since it’s just a smaller sucho

[swift dew]

actually, hydrodyamic and aquadynamic can be used interchangably, you probably searched the same thing I did and it was "hydrodynamics. the s is important here, its just like aerodynamics is the study and something being aerodynamic means they flow through air easily.

[paper oriole]

sucho and bary shouldnt be fast in water either honestly, on land sure

[swift dew]

anyway back to isle topics

[desert tendon]

also im sorry for reacting to this late, but beipi is like a big bird. So this scale difference wouldnt really change much

[desert tendon]

agreed

[drifting radish]

I can see them being like... good swimmers, but not great. Not super fast on land either, but not like mollasses slow like in legacy either

[desert tendon]

they are fishers

not scubadivers

[hybrid matrix]

again, thats why i said "apparently"

[desert tendon]

exactly

[hybrid matrix]

so austro should hunt beipi then, agreed?

[desert tendon]

agreed

[paper oriole]

sucho and bary dont look adapted for swimming at all

[desert tendon]

do we all agree that beipi should outpace deino in a swim?

[paper oriole]

if they get anything for swimming it should just be extra stam

[desert tendon]

aquadynamic-ness and modern day comparisons suggest this

[drifting radish]

But they don’t look extremely built for speed running either haha

[swift dew]

while in talk it would make sense for beipi to be faster than deino, deino is already really fast and it would look kinda ridiculous seeing an animal the size of a penguin zooming through the rivers like that

[desert tendon]

i guess it would look silly, but it would also make sense

maybe make deino slower instead

[swift dew]

maybe

[desert tendon]

idk

im gonna main troodon and beipi so im definitely not biased or anything

[hoary dawn]

the chad troodon main

[desert tendon]

[hybrid matrix]

the lad compy main

i shall be playing compy as soon as it comes out

[paper oriole]

what was it that you wanted compy to eat again?

[hybrid matrix]

no

bad

evil

[paper oriole]

lmao

[desert tendon]

beipi is actually discribed as swift and sure in the water and less adept on land

[desert tendon]

also yes

i love smaller dinos

[hoary dawn]

the 2 objectively best mains are troodon and herra

[desert tendon]

thats why im so excited for herra beipi and troodon

[desert tendon]

EYYYYY

[hybrid matrix]

this list is missing quetz (plane), theri (stronk claw), beipi (smol stronk claw), pachy (Rocky 5: dinosaur boxing), and magy (fuckin legend)

[desert tendon]

i love quetz

im excited for it

i hope that instead of fishing it can grab smaller dinos and drop em

[hybrid matrix]

i hope theri is slow but has great turn

[hoary dawn]

subtract theri and pachy from that and you are correct

[hybrid matrix]

the only dinos it could do this with are all ovi-sized + below

[hybrid matrix]

theri is a badass ostrich and pachy punches you with its face

[hoary dawn]

quetz fishing is cursed

[hybrid matrix]

quetz fishing is like trying to fish for a school of tuna in a cessna plane

[hoary dawn]

it should run down juvies and smalls

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-giraffe-run-nope-nope-nope-runnng-away-gif-11648894

^ this but with wings

[hybrid matrix]

yurse

[hoary dawn]

uses flight to get around but lands to catch stuff

[desert tendon]

i would accept quetz fishing if every time it pulled a fish out it was as big as a deino lmao

[drifting radish]

Besides the who almost face planting part that is very graceful.

[desert tendon]

(not as big but you get my point)

[hoary dawn]

i really hope they take inspiration from giraffes when they eventually animate quetz

it would be cool af

[drifting radish]

Yesssss

Definitely

[hybrid matrix]

galloping quetz

i have mixed feelings

[hoary dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/giraffe-run-running-late-gif-14464529

[desert tendon]

i agree with this

[hoary dawn]

if a giraffe can then giraffe bird can too dammit

[desert tendon]

idk if it would be a ground hunter tho

[hybrid matrix]

im not saying it shouldnt do it

im saying i dont know whether i like the idea or not

bc on the one hand it seems nice

but on the other hand im wondering how that would look

[desert tendon]

probably just a more offensive ptera that can actually take a hit. it might also have the fishing ability replaced with somth else

[hoary dawn]

i hope

[drifting radish]

Hear me out. Juice fishing

*juvie

Like, instead of fish they just... snatch juvies lmao

[hoary dawn]

that would be neat

[hybrid matrix]

no it would not

[desert tendon]

do you guys think that ptera should gain hydration by skimming or would that be too OP

[hoary dawn]

it would be near impossible tho

[hybrid matrix]

yes please

[feral solstice]

That’s literally just basic Ptera hunting hatchlings from the sky lmao

[drifting radish]

Too op.

Yeah. I see nothing wrong with that

[feral solstice]

Not really op

[desert tendon]

yeah if it could regain hydration from skimming it would never have to land besides eating fish lol

[feral solstice]

Skimming and getting water? Only to get snatched?

[hoary dawn]

make a pelican perk so that ptera can store small amounts of water in its mouth while flying

[feral solstice]

It’s not like, giving you stamina or anything so you have to stay in the air longer

[desert tendon]

its almost impossible for a deino to snatch a skimming ptera

[feral solstice]

I’ve done it

Lol

[desert tendon]

that would work

[feral solstice]

All you have to do is swim fast from the bottom of a river to the top and you’ll launch yourself out of the water

[desert tendon]

seeing as how its throat gets larger

[feral solstice]

And you can bite skimming pterosaurs

[desert tendon]

when it eats fish

yeah you could grab water by skimming and drink it when you land

that would be awesome

just like catching fish only for water

[hoary dawn]

it would also be good for nesting so that your babies don't have to go all the way to a water source every couple minutes

just fly down, scoop some water, fly back up, and give the children the ultimate backwash

[desert tendon]

lmao yessss

i would love it if you could baby bird meat into your childs gullet

and water by that standard

[sonic mural]

I’m fine with it getting water when skimming it’s not unbalancing it or anything

[hoary dawn]

i think it would be best if it were a perk

[desert tendon]

yeah its not any more broken than getting fish

[sonic mural]

That’s fine too

[desert tendon]

ight well imma hop onto official #1 if its not full and start a new ptera because my utah got crunched by another utah

[hoary dawn]

He always kills his own

[desert tendon]

indeed

welp the server crashed

[onyx siren]

Are they planning on adding a deathroll attack to the deino?

[left nacelle]

@sullen token I assume by foliage displacement you mean like grass being flattened when you walk over it and stuff? If so, that's a cool idea but it would cause a lot of lag

[left nacelle]

Not that I've heard. It wouldn't make much sense either since irl crocs deathroll things to rip off meat, not to kill their prey (cause irl crocs don't wait till their prey is dead to try and eat them) But since you can only eat dead things in The isle, it makes more sense for the eating animation to be deathroll like it is now

[onyx siren]

Mmm, but it seems the deino as of now is rather underpowered for an 8 ton animal. Can't kill a stego by itself which makes a bit of sense since its a bit of a bad match up, but if the deino grabbed ahold of something and started rolling, all that weight rip something apart very fast. Also there are videos of crocs deathrolling when things are alive

[desert tendon]

what game are you playing bro

stegos can get bodied by solo crocs

[left nacelle]

Deino is underpowered right now cause if it could take on stego it would be too strong. It will likely be made stronger once bigger animals are added. And yeah, irl crocs deathroll living things so they can rip off body parts and eat them. That's what I mean, irl crocs don't kill before they eat

[left nacelle]

Completely false. If a stego is not swimming, it can 4 shot a deino

That's actually how I lost my first adult deino

[onyx siren]

I think once the croc drags something into the water, or attacks something in the water, it should be able to grab, and deathroll

that's how it could kill a rex in the water, a stego, trike, etc

[left nacelle]

Nah. I think the grabbing and drowning is scarier

[desert tendon]

idk man i don't play either of them. But i spectate matches as a ptera and 95% of the time the croc wins against the stego

[left nacelle]

Plus adding deathrolling without adding limbs being ripped off wouldn't make much sense

[left nacelle]

We're talking adult stegos? Those stegos must be pretty bad then

[desert tendon]

yeah im talking about adult stegos and adult crocs

i almost never play on any servers other than official ones so idk what people i have been watching

[left nacelle]

Same, I only play on officials

[desert tendon]

how long is beipi gonna take to grow?

[left nacelle]

It's pretty hard for a deino to kill a stego without getting the jump on them iirc. But a stego can easily stand at the edge of a river and destroy any deino that comes close. I've seen it a lot and it's very annoying

[desert tendon]

also how big is it in relation to utah

[left nacelle]

Beipi is tiny compared to utah

[icy lion]

small

lemme grab a pic if i can

[onyx siren]

is locational damage a thing?

[desert tendon]

i know that its small i just want a comparison of size

[icy lion]

yes

[cyan flame]

@left nacelleJust going to point out, if you lunge, stun the stego, then promptly altbite at it's face, you can get it. Is it going to hurt you, yes. Will it die before you do, most likely.

[onyx siren]

Like, an attack on a certain place does more damage? is there a guide?

[icy lion]

unofficial, but beipi is purple https://i.imgur.com/vtMzw75.png

[onyx siren]

where's the best place to attack another croc?

[left nacelle]

Head and neck do most damage, tail does the least

[cyan flame]

Head/neck is good, body (and maybe legs) neutral, tail, especially tip of it, is no good :p

[desert tendon]

ok so like half the size of a utah

[left nacelle]

Good to know

[icy lion]

in volume, weight is much much lighter

[swift dew]

this goes for everything, attack more towards the front deals more damage than towards the back

[cyan flame]

You always wanna do the alt bite, it's way faster, and it moves you, so you can "keep up" with a stego trying to turn away. And the most important thing is, you got to commit. You can't halfass it, you get the stun, then go ham with the altbites.

[left nacelle]

Yeah, but it's size in relation to utah will likely not determine its growth time right now, since growth times will change as time goes on. If we were only going off of size, all those small animals in that pic would fully grow in under and hour most likely

[desert tendon]

yeah i meant like height and width wise but this is still helpful

huh

neat

[left nacelle]

Huh, interesting. Thanks for the advice

[cyan flame]

Best of luck!

[left nacelle]

Thanks! I'll try and remember it next time I play deino lol

[onyx siren]

@cyan flame you mean as a deino against a stego?

I dont think a croc can win out of the water against one can it?

[left nacelle]

Totally on land? Absolutely not

I believe Erik means at the edge of the water

[swift dew]

i think it can if it spams alt bite to the head, but a good stego will keep its head away so I wouldn't try it

[cyan flame]

No, if you're fighting on land, you will most likely lose, but you can still inflict some damage. The altbite thing works, as well as trying to just run up the ass of the stego and then altbite, you'll reach the head from there so you can do it that way sort of, and meanwhile take body or even tailhits from the stego trying to hit back. But yes, my advice to Bluebird was for the water, where you start it off with a lunge/stun and then just bite away, aiming for the head all the time with altbites.

[onyx siren]

yeah, i think stego could easily just turn its body and tail you to death very quickly

[cyan flame]

I wouldn't try to fight things on land as deino unless I had to, you're.. not supposed to in any way so it's a bad habit I'd say :p

[onyx siren]

So, does the altbite do more damage

[swift dew]

honestly deino is pretty invincible on land unless you find a pair of stegos or more, been seing alot of land deinos recently

[left nacelle]

I usually only fight juvies on land. I sit and wait for them to try and get me and then I spin around an crush them

[swift dew]

no but it attacks twice as fast

[onyx siren]

also, deino biteforce seems pretty low

for an 8 ton creature with what should be the 2nd highest behind the rex

[left nacelle]

Yeah, it's weak right now to keep the ecosystem balanced. It'll likely be made stronger once more large animals are added

And on top of that, deino is super easy to grow atm, so having a creature that strong be as easy to grow as it is right now wouldn't be the best idea

[cyan flame]

Even so, the deino is geared towards grab and drown, not biting things. So even with buffs, I doubt it'll be using bite as a primary method of getting kills.

[left nacelle]

True. But I could see it getting the weight that it can grab things at buffed as well

[onyx siren]

Hmmm, unrelated but, will they ever add such things as current length etc?

when you press insert to see your info, so you can see how you're growing etc and the current size of your dino, length, height, etc

would that be a lot of work to calculate correctly?

[fringe surge]

Honestly do dev's even read their own feedback?

I feel like they just ignore us 100% of the time cause I don't think anyone's feedback or suggestions have ever been considered. Otherwise there might actually be fruitful improvements within the game. Just saying.

[feral solstice]

They have and still do

They reworked the pounce and turned it into a bleed based attack due to people complaining about it dealing too much damage

They NERFED carno because people didn’t enjoy how little stamina it used

And a ton more, a shit ton more

[undone parcel]

What key is it to shake pouncing uthas off?

[tidal rose]

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[undone parcel]

ty

[hybrid matrix]

Pretty sure im the reason that deino was just given good bleed resistance

I suggested it back when everyone was talking about how deino would manage bleed

[wild stone]

Deino having that powerful bleed resistance is really just a placeholder. Deino needs to be able to take some steps to deliberately heal bleed.

[barren zephyr]

Proto has a roadmap render so it might also belong there.

[wild stone]

There was a thing about aquatics in general using dirt trails or certain underwater plants to reduce it.

There are also several concept arts missing from the roadmap in that section.

Legacy's method of tracking is the one area where it is superior to Evrima, for sure. The pack scents are way too obvious... I would rather large packs be known by all the sound they make. Or just have pack scent only show up like that if the group has been lingering in the area for some time.

[vale pawn]

welp i messed up, now i gotta wait 6 hours

[wild stone]

See my post here #balance-feedback message

You can use the edit button

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr

that means sucho isn’t coming soon

@barren zephyr

Oh, aight.

[manic flint]

They said sucho is coming to the inhabitants list soon. So after those Dino's are in sucho will come soon after.

[urban flax]

@wild stone Don't allow players to keep control of their dino once they've been enslaved by a tribal. The last thing i want when playing as a tribal is to spend one hour fighting a dino to tame it, only for it to decide to not obey my orders afterwards or just decide to suicide itself.

[limber hull]

on the other hand i would really really like to become a battlesteed for my tribal brethren so

just so we can, together, kick the absolute shit out of some mercs

[urban flax]

You dont have to go through the fight to do that

If you fought against a tribal and finally lost, it's that you were opposed to die/become a slave for tribals

[limber hull]

some people would be toxic but honestly being a little troodon minion who constantly helps the tribals out in exchange for meat would be cool. I really hope that not everyone goes crazy on humans when they're dinos and instead some just kinda get along.

[urban flax]

Getting along is a different thing from being enslaved

[limber hull]

fair

in that scenario tho, most tribals will ignore friendly dinos and go straight for the enslave tho

which makes the game a bit less dynamic with player interaction

[urban flax]

Yes, the dinos aren't meant to be friendly anyway

Having a dino be a friend with a human will be rare, which is a good thing

[limber hull]

in many cases, even among carnivores, there's a common theme of using meat to go "here, eat this instead of me", and i really like that

wordless agreements

[urban flax]

This can happen with humans too, since tribals will likely be capable of killing and eating dino meat

[limber hull]

in the wild, some creatures can form bonds with other creatures, which is the one thing i like about skins is the potential to possibly recognise those who aided you in the past

[urban flax]

Don't worry, it will happen
But as I said many times to other people, we don't need mechanics for that

[limber hull]

but most of the time a hungry carni won't give a shit and devour whatever they can, so it'd still need caution

[urban flax]

We already see pteras becoming friends with other dinos all the time

[limber hull]

true

when i was playing, we purposely held off from killing a baby ptera because we were just "he's adorable, we can't kill him"

also if mercs will get VC, what about tribals?

[urban flax]

Maybe they'll get VC too
On a shorter range

But we don't know much about them
Maybe they're incapable of talking

[limber hull]

im just not sure if tribals would speak english tho

in which case, i think it'd be cool if tribals and mercs could again, only communicate amongst themselves

as only they understand their own native tounges

[urban flax]

That'll probably be the case

Tribals don't have a native language tho

They're replicated

[limber hull]

replicated?

[urban flax]

Tribals aren't natives of the island
They've been created by the replicator

[limber hull]

i mean, if they were made on the island, maybe they technically count as natives

[urban flax]

But we don't know what's the material that served to create them, some people think they might have been scientists

[patent garden]

"pig lawnmower hybrid" is just hilarious

[urban flax]

I don't get why carnos should sound like bulls
Should they just moo instead of roaring ?

[patent garden]

lmao imagine

[urban flax]

If there's one thing that annoy me, it's how carnos always sound really alien in all games

Can't they just roar like normal animals ?

[limber hull]

idk, i like the distinctness

they're unmistakable sounds

[urban flax]

yeah true

[limber hull]

it will help when other large creatures with loud roars are added to have distinct notable roars

you can tell a carno from ages away from its distinctive throaty gargly roar

[full canopy]

read through some of the messages I've missed. I don't love that they nerfed Carnos stam as I feel like the entire Idea if Carno is that its a effing truck, that should speed across fields with no issue. I think, to balance it out they should just nerf its fast turn thing they added, like make it so that carno takes a second longer to gain full velocity so that if you stop, you can immediately run again.

Regarding the Quetz, I'm a huge fan of it being able to pick up smaller dinos and hope that will be a feature, other than that I'll just feel like a badass flying my jet-sized reptile across the map. I just hope they make it faster than ptera, and maybe make it use stamina slower when running on the ground so it can potentially hunt juvies. Either way, like I said: Jet-sized flying reptile, I'm happy.

[urban flax]

Carno is so fast, it only makes sense that it wastes stam so quickly

You can't move a 1.6 tons two-legged torpedo without effort

[full canopy]

idk, man I don't feel that. I think it should regen stamina slowly and, like I said, take a while to reach max speed.

[urban flax]

It already takes a while to reach max speed tho

And if it regained stamina slowly it would just be tedious

[full canopy]

perhaps

if memory serves me right, didn't it walk faster in legacy?

[urban flax]

I don't know

I think all dinos had faster walking speeds but lower running speeds

[full canopy]

because I think that could be cool as well. Just have it walk a bit faster. It is a speed demon after all

nothing crazy, just enough to notice

[urban flax]

It's a speed demon when it runs

Leave the fast walking for dinos that can't run fas like t-rex

[full canopy]

yeah, fair.

[limber hull]

i like carno's balance

bursts of massive speed

doesn't need to rest for long to get another burst

[full canopy]

where can you find all the concept art for evrima?

[urban flax]

They're in isle phase two

[dire ridge]

I find that weird tho

[limber hull]

eh, i think it makes them far better at burst hunts over long-winded chases

and that makes a lot of sense to me with their high speed

[urban flax]

@spiral drum Dude you don't delete servers

People pay for them

[limber hull]

a system i've seen is people actually having to verify their servers to appear on the public list

[spiral drum]

And I am sure they get their value's worth when the server always stays at 0. 👍

[limber hull]

he does have a point

[urban flax]

This is not the question
You pay for a server, you don't want it to be shut down just becasue there's no player on it

It's the server owner's responsibility to turn it off when there's nobody on it

[spiral drum]

And therin is the problem

Who shuts down their server willingly?

[urban flax]

Of nobody wants to shut down their server willingly, you understand it's not better to forcefully shut them down

[limber hull]

it would be nicer if the game didn't load every server across the fucking globe before I can pick AU Official because every other server has 100+ ping or no players

because this game has the slowest server refresh i've ever see

[urban flax]

This is true, and improving server research system would be a better solution

[spiral drum]

Yeah it is, because it would increase people on the popular servers. People are complaining about not finiding anyone, but they don't realize that having 2300 no-pop servers strings out the playerbase.

[urban flax]

Anyway devs don't have any power over unofficial servers

[limber hull]

other games force you to actually verify your server otherwise it don't show up on the list

[spiral drum]

What exactly does verification entail?

[limber hull]

getting an official staff member, known as a verification specialist to come on, see if your server

• actually exists
• runs at an acceptable rate
• doesn't crash every 4 seconds

if it doesn't do this, it's only accessible via direct connect, and you actually need to email the team doing it. This was a system employed at the last studio i worked in, and helped cut down on random servers that served no purpose

[spiral drum]

Interesting. Then I'd argue for the verification specialist to also include regular follow-ups where they see if the server has been played on for a set timespan.

[urban flax]

Verifying servers (especially if it's on a regular basis) is a lot of work tho
They don't have time to do this at this stage of the game

[spiral drum]

Hire more people? Or just the one. 🤷‍♂️

[urban flax]

Hiring more people is always easier to say than to do

For how much time did they search before they found Jace ?

And I'm not sure they're willing to hire more people just to check unused servers at this point

[spiral drum]

lol, we're talking about ONE guy here... and unemployment is fairly rampant. And checking up a time-intervall for amount of players logged on is not exactly rocket science.

[limber hull]

i genuinely have no idea how the hiring works over there lmao

[spiral drum]

I mean, if they are SO pressed for time. Otherwise, if it's an easy job, why wouldn't they be able to do it themselves?

[urban flax]

It might be easy but still time-consuming

[spiral drum]

Worth it, though

[urban flax]

I doubt it

[spiral drum]

It's a free country, I suppose.

[spiral drum]

Thank you ^^ yeah it's just been bugging the shit out of me.

[keen vapor]

@kindred flare 10 tail swipes i just waaaay to few and it would instantly make stego completely unviable. Its tail attacks are just way to easy to bait out however if a stego spams it constantly it will eventually run out of stam currently

[urban flax]

But stego currently can only do 10 tail swipes before running out of stamina
That's what XPLOYTED's suggestion was about, right ? Reducing the stam cost

[keen vapor]

stego can do way more than just 10 tail swipes

idk what he is on about

[kindred flare]

no it cant

i tested it

10 swipes, i was a stego against 4 carnos

[keen vapor]

what?

When?

[kindred flare]

10 swipes and stam was gone