general-feedback-discussion

[steady lintel]

you asked him whos bitching at you

then proceed to bitch

answered your own question there

[uneven walrus]

Nope

Just making a point,

if you don't like it that's on you.

[steady lintel]

i have no opinion on the subject

[uneven walrus]

I can't make black and white statements on things that are normally settled in fairly expensive and lengthy court cases, to do so would be naive in my opinion.

That isn't bitching 😆

Unless people are very sensitive.

[uneven walrus]

shrug

[hybrid matrix]

ok lets drop this

[elder rivet]

we do a little trolling

Don't people get muted or smth for troll suggestions?

[barren zephyr]

I don’t think so?

[hybrid matrix]

sometimes

i once got a troll suggestion deleted

however

a different troll suggestion of mine didnt get deleted

and its still up i believe

[worn pumice]

the devs cannot do anything as its not illegal nor is it something that u have to do

just use official servers

or servers that dont have token systems in which r able to be paid for

[uneven walrus]

Yes they can, they can make it against TOS. I simply do not understand your logic or line of thinking, It has been done many times for many games with any type of real money trading???

[icy lion]

theres been a back-end change that has essentially completely prevented changing someones dino using the game files, which is how injections functioned

[hybrid matrix]

yup
it is still up
#general-feedback message

[icy lion]

so your problem is essentially already solved, but people can still buy grows

[hybrid matrix]

pretty sure someone added a reaction to it lmao

[worn pumice]

i did

[hybrid matrix]

lmao

[elder rivet]

A redwood only map would lack a lot of variety

[ionic arch]

Why put an X on the suggestion?

[ionic arch]

Oh no that mean you haven't play the redwood map in 2017-2018, it's was awesome, and now with Jace it'll look 100 times better with high details rocks, trees, grass and with the new water

[elder rivet]

wasn't that map from 2017-2018 just region 2 but covered in redwoods?

[ionic arch]

No

[ionic arch]

Look how good it's was, now imagine Jace re-make it's

[urban flax]

Would still lack variety. Beauty doesn't make up for everything else.

[elder rivet]

it looks good but it lacks variety

[urban flax]

Our current evrima map is beautiful, in a way, but people hate it because of the lack of variety.

[elder rivet]

yep

[sudden hinge]

Redwood biome

No map

[elder rivet]

Doesn't it cause perfomance issues too?

[ionic arch]

Than a big biome?

[sudden hinge]

It’ll be a big biome dude they are recreating a whole section of V2 into spiro

[ionic arch]

I know that no need to repeat it

[sudden hinge]

Like this redwood forest isn’t gunna be tiny

[elder rivet]

but again, every single dinosaur is around 9 kmph faster than in legacy

[ionic arch]

Yee

[ionic arch]

Allo was slow almost the same speed as a Rex

[elder rivet]

utah was 43 and is now 52, carno was 52 and is now 61, dryo was 41 and (used to be) is now 50 kmph, and i can imagine tenonto being 36 kmph if it was put in legacy

and seeing how slow oro was, i'd imagine hypsi being 30 kmph in legacy as well IF it was there

stego is the only dino that hasn't had increased speed

[ionic arch]

I know that

No need to say

[elder rivet]

just was giving an example

for anyone who didn't notice it yet

[ionic arch]

Ye

[odd sedge]

Lack variety?
It would be a paradise for Herras and it could have many different plants for diets.

True, it doesn't serve for new terrain, but it could have some nifty places, like waterfalls and deep ponds

[hybrid matrix]

dont forget caves, minor canyons, minor canyons with rivers flowing thru them, and maybe even hollowed out trees

[odd sedge]

Giant trees ripped out, being large bridges and making small caves

[hybrid matrix]

plus

its great camo for brachi lmao

is it a tree? or is it a dinosaur? i cant fucking tell

[idle ibex]

that was a fast x

what makes you dislike it so much

[fading fjord]

I dont like the idea also Weg

[hybrid matrix]

weg

ur suggesting a mechanic that absolutely nobody will use

[honest sparrow]

Diving when it is superior to skimming

[vestal rune]

diving wouldn't even work in the rivers

[hybrid matrix]

even with the ability to dive, pteranodon players will still always skim bc if u skim u have less of a chance of swimming right into a deino's mouth

[honest sparrow]

Just make some water sources deeper and offer better fish (like the ocean) that you can’t get while skimming, ez clap

And make skimming spots more rare

[hybrid matrix]

giving pteranodon the ability to dive would be hours of coding wasted

[hybrid matrix]

except pteranodon can fly

[honest sparrow]

Having the option for both makes sense, little risk, medium reward, high risk, high reward and makes Ptera much more risky and fun

[hybrid matrix]

ppl will look for skimming spots

[honest sparrow]

Reducing skimming spots means people will cluster more around them, providing competition and more incentive to dive

[lucid mauve]

i hate it, cus i think the pteradon gonna be used mostly for telling where other players are. And if it can dive and swim, it can prob just tell everyone if the water is safe or not

[honest sparrow]

And makes Ptera less immortal

[hybrid matrix]

HOW IS PTERA IMMORTAL

IN WHAT UNIVERSE IS IT IMMORTAL

[vestal rune]

ptera IS immortal

[hybrid matrix]

how

[vestal rune]

you literally can't die unless you're trying

[honest sparrow]

Grow somewhere, reach sub, fish and fly to shallow areas

Basically untouchable by 7/8 playables if you play your cards right

[vestal rune]

ye only thing that can really kill pteras is other pteras

[hybrid matrix]

A. drinking is risky
B. you cant fly forever
C. you cant eat while flying
D. you already put urself in danger if ur trying to get food

also

even if ptera werent immortal

why would u even want to kill them

theyre barely any food

[vestal rune]

drinking isn't risky, just find a shallow area. You can fly for basically forever. You can just land on a rock to eat. It's really hard to kill pteras while they're skimming

[honest sparrow]

A. You have the power of flight, drinking from shallows or seeing where shit is is easy
B. True, but there are a shitload of spots you’re untouchable in and can regen stam from
C. Same spot thing
D. Skimming is so risk free it’s hilarious

[hybrid matrix]

drinking isnt risky just bc of deinos
if u get caught off guard by anything while ur drinking, ur dead

[honest sparrow]

I have skimmed in hordes of deinos when I had no right to be alive and got away with a decent sized fish

[vestal rune]

yes but just don't be a dumbie, ptera can get full thirst in like 10 seconds

[honest sparrow]

Again, you can scout the area and hear or see shit coming

[vestal rune]

animals in this game are loud

[wild stone]

Vertical lunge will increase the risk of skimming significantly.

[hybrid matrix]

ha u think 10 seconds is a short amount of time in this game

10 seconds is an eternity in this game

[vestal rune]

drinking? it really is

[honest sparrow]

Ptera gets water really fast

Not as fast as Dryo but still really fuckin fast

[vestal rune]

I have found so many places where I can get water basically risk-free as ptera, and I get water insanely fast

[honest sparrow]

So yeah, make skimming spots more rare, promote competition between pteras, lessen shallow areas, add diving

[wild stone]

Let's also not forget that the food and water stats are identical for each creature right now, except possibly deinosuchus.
So it's entirely within the realm that ptera will be adjusted to have to drink more often. 10 seconds isn't unreasonably short.

[hybrid matrix]

ok but i still want to know why something that evolved flight so that it could escape danger, shouldnt be allowed to use flight to escape danger

[honest sparrow]

That’s what it does

I don’t get your point

[hybrid matrix]

yeah like i said
10 seconds is an eternity in this game

[hybrid matrix]

wait why does this increase competition?

i agree that there are too many shallow spots

but how would that increase competition

[mild walrus]

I don't think firefish has played ptera much. They are full of bugs, and it's actually very easy to die as one lol

[wild stone]

Because shallow spots give finite amount of fish before disappearing. But they are so numerous that no ptera will kill you for the fish you caught.

[honest sparrow]

Less easy spots= more people crowded at said spots=less fish to go around= I WANT MY FISH OR YOUR CORPSE WHICH IS GONNA BE

[hybrid matrix]

u understand that ppl will just share fish, right?

thats wut i do when there arent that many fish around

also

[honest sparrow]

I mean yeah, but less fish around more often means Ptera either has to risk scavenging or diving, which is good

[hybrid matrix]

ur suggesting that hotspots are a GOOD thing

[vestal rune]

I mean ye I've died to a couple bugs like intense rubberbanding and broken collision(although that only happens when I'm being a shitter on purposes), but never to actually being hunted legit

[mild walrus]

As a deino, I bring fish to the shore to feed the starving babies

[wild stone]

I wouldn't mind ptera having to pay more attention to survival. As it is now, it's basically a spectator mode with food/hydration stats.
Perks will also fix this though, especially if different kinds of fish spawn in different locations and are recognized as different satiations for diets.

[hybrid matrix]

no comments on this?

i thought we were against hotspots

[wild stone]

Hotspots are wonderful, as long as there is enough variety with them. The problem with hotspots as they exist currently is that there are only like, 2?
Swamp, and Center or Center-Adjacent locations.

[honest sparrow]

It’s kind of a fucky scenario, because people obviously cluster around where free food is, but by making it more rare and having people cluster there encourages people who don’t want to deal with that shit go somewhere else for fucking once

[wild stone]

And diets will force you to eventually move from a hotspot, so you won't be able to sit there all day long unless you don't mind dealing with negative effects.

[hybrid matrix]

really so, ur saying its good if everyone is at one place on the map

[vestal rune]

he literally said how having 2 hotspots is bad

[hybrid matrix]

yeah this is literally like hotspots in legacy

[hybrid matrix]

skim reading is my weakness lmao

[wild stone]

No. I'm just saying Hotspots can be a useful tool. That's why salt licks will exist along gametrails - to create an obvious hotspot where players will go.
Hunters should be able to stalk certain places to find food easier. Not every hunter will be capable of traversing the map in 30 minutes or less.

[hybrid matrix]

except those hunters will have to traverse the map if, when they logged off, everyone that was at their hotspot moved to a different one

[brave nova]

A. fly into shallow river and you can see far both ways if anyone's there, free water. You can get an overview of the area before drinking other places too, but that's the main one
B. You can land where noone else can get to except other ptera's to rest up
C. You can land where noone else can get to except other ptera's to eat
D. Hardly, again you just get an overview of the area and make sure you won't get surprised by a deino while fishing and you're good

[hybrid matrix]

i dont think u should be forced into a certain area if somewhere else on the map there's the same stuff that forced you to ur current location

either there should be one area where something is super common, and everywhere else it isnt, or it should be scattered across the map (depending on what it is of course)

anyway i gtg bc i have work to do

[odd sedge]

Nononononono
Who the f cares if Ptera is invincible in the sky?
It literally can't fight and doesn't tank any hits, how would it need a nerf if it will change nothing at all for other playables, except make Ptera less fun

[honest sparrow]

Because anything being invincible in the game is stupid, regardless of combat prowess

And having more risk for Ptera is more fun imo

[odd sedge]

Also, decreasing the amount of fish spawns will also increase the number of Pteras teaming up with other creatures for food because at some point it's just easier to eat the corpses that herbis leave than looking for fish

[odd sedge]

It won't be invincible if quetz becomes a thing

[honest sparrow]

Quetz as an air to air predator is stupid and Ptera will 100% juke it

[brave nova]

I think ptera is fine, I treat it like observer mode when I cba to participate lol

[odd sedge]

^

[honest sparrow]

It shouldn’t be just spectator mode tho, it should have risk and reward

[odd sedge]

And then people will complain about mixpacking yada yada yada

Your way of trying to nerf Ptera will make the creature worse

[honest sparrow]

Pteras teaming with carnis is something no one can control, but scavenging again, encourages more risk reward

[honest sparrow]

That’s what a nerf is, by definition

[odd sedge]

Yeah only in Ptera it isn't even needed

[honest sparrow]

Again, invincible playable is stupid

And I main Ptera and enjoy it throughly

[odd sedge]

Ptera is fine

[honest sparrow]

I mean it’s fine, it’s just diving and less free food would make it better

[odd sedge]

Not worth it

[honest sparrow]

Yes it is

It makes it more engaging and makes it actually interact with the rest of the cast

[odd sedge]

No thanks

[honest sparrow]

So you don’t want to make it a more fun playable that interacts with other playables?

[odd sedge]

Well you know, I like how it is now, where you have the choice. That what makes Ptera fun, in my opinion.

Sure, you can eat your stinky fish and sit on a rock but you can also fly out to life a risky scavenger life

I like the choices I have with the creature right now

[honest sparrow]

You could, but there’s no point, and lessening fish encourages scavenger gameplay more

And with the option to dive, you could skim, dive, or scavenge

[odd sedge]

Which will encourage Pteras to Team up with other carnivores, thus making other players more frustrated about mega packs

Lessening the spawns won't help the problem.
It will make it more annoying to catch fish, but no Ptera is gonna brawl for fish

Not worth it

It's easier to just move

[honest sparrow]

I mean are symbiotic relationships a bad thing? And not all pteras will mixpack with other carnis. Lessening the spawns will help the problem, because if it’s less easy to catch fish in an easy no risk way, they’re gonna move like you said, and when they move, it encourages being spread across the map, and interacting with other playables

[odd sedge]

No.
It doesn't

It promotes clumping around fish spawns

Not scattering

[honest sparrow]

And what happens when all the fish spawns are used up

They either move, or kill each other

[odd sedge]

Well that's just annoying at this point

[honest sparrow]

And again, with diving, there will still be fish around, you just actually have to risk something

[odd sedge]

I doubt we share the same kind of view on fun

[honest sparrow]

If your kinda fun is sitting in the same spot with 15000 pteras all eating infinite fish, no, we don’t

[odd sedge]

If your view on fun is to have all Pteras gather around the last fish spawn, having them clump and grief herds of herbivores by leading predators to them, then yeah. We don't

Because that is already happening. And it will only promote it

[honest sparrow]

Diving when it was the point of the suggestion

[odd sedge]

What has diving to do with literally anything of this?

[honest sparrow]

It’s where the discussion came from

[hybrid matrix]

actually diving is what the suggestion is about

[honest sparrow]

Add diving, make skimming spots less common, etc

[hybrid matrix]

i dont think that diving is a bad mechanic

its neat

its cool

but

nobody will use it

bc skimming is safer

[tawny juniper]

If you make skimming pools less common then you make fish less common

[hybrid matrix]

also

[tawny juniper]

I can understand why you would get rid of skimming pools if you're trying to encourge diving but also deinos eat those

[odd sedge]

I don't have anything against diving.
Just making fish spawns less common is stupid

[hybrid matrix]

how will u know if ur gonna find fish when u dive

[tawny juniper]

agreed

[hybrid matrix]

if ripples indicate skimming spots

then how will u kno if u can dive for fish

how will u kno if fish are even there

u cant have ripples for both styles of fishing bc then its confusing

and u cant give ripples to just one of them bc then how will u know where to do the other

[tawny juniper]

Maybe rather then dwindle the number of skimming spots, make the perk system tie in with diving where you get a slightly faster grow time or you get rewarded for choosing diving - the more dangerous alternative when catching fish

[hybrid matrix]

ya see, this gives players a reason to dive

[honest sparrow]

That’s pretty cool actually

[hybrid matrix]

plus, its better than forcing pteras to dive

[tawny juniper]

If diving is more dangerous, harder to do, but reaps the same reward as its safer alternative nobody is going to do it

It's so much more effective to reward players for doing one thing, then to punish them for doing another

[honest sparrow]

I mean maybe if they added more kinds of fish in deeper waters that could be dived for that were better than skimming fish, but idk

[odd sedge]

Make diving a mechanic for the ocean and have huge swarms of fish.
Pteras can dive all they want, they'llbut still have to land on land to eat and there, you have maybe something that could play into their diet.

Saltwater fish, who live a lil deeper than the waters surface, thus giving diving some sense

[hybrid matrix]

yes

[tawny juniper]

Well then pteras can just survive off the coast as long as their is a river outlet

I guess they can already do that

[honest sparrow]

Ocean fish are planned iirc

[tawny juniper]

But at least now they have to go inland somewhat

[honest sparrow]

I hope diets fix any issues with just staying out at sea for so long catching the same fish

[hybrid matrix]

yall should add on to the original suggestion about diving

[tawny juniper]

I can't I just made one about scent system 😶

[honest sparrow]

My job is done, I bid you adieu

[hybrid matrix]

icky can do it tho

[hybrid matrix]

suggest this

[honest sparrow]

also make diving an option for deep inland bodies of water

[odd sedge]

You know what? Maybe I will

[worn pumice]

i mean it makes sense

thats pteras whole thing anyways

fishing and being a glider

[odd sedge]

Tho how would the mechanic work?

Just holding control will make you land in water and then well.. you're dead

Unless you make Ptera float in salt water like a duck

And then it can start from there again

[honest sparrow]

I’d like to imagine some sort of water takeoff that costs a decent amount of stam

[odd sedge]

That would be fine

So if they manage to swim to the surface without drowning, they could float and then take off with fairly an amount of stam

I mean with those wings spread out, Ptera would surely float

[swift dew]

maybe pela could get diving if it comes but it seems that everyone immediatly strikes pela down as a "ptera clone"

like some other flier maybe pela could get diving and ptera could stick to skimming

[vestal rune]

because it is

[silver zephyr]

regardless of pela or not I think ptera is fine with just skimming

[worn pumice]

pela lol

[strange wave]

@odd sedge no

[odd sedge]

Fair enough I guess

[strange wave]

save diving for him

ptera doesnt really need 3 ways to fish anyway

having pela need to dive to get deeper dwelling fish and squids for its diet is an interesting way to make it different from ptera

[tawny juniper]

That thing is being added?

[odd sedge]

Fair point.
I'm personally fine with switching Ptera with Pela in my suggestion if it's going to get added

[icy lion]

pela is not confirmed

[swift dew]

it might be, but it might not be

[odd sedge]

Because if not.. there is no reason to save something for something that isn't even confirmed

[swift dew]

ptera should get it if pela doesn't come, but if pela comes pela should get it

[odd sedge]

^

[strange wave]

ptera doesnt need 3 ways to fish

[odd sedge]

Better 3 ways then leaving an entire mechanic out for no reason

[strange wave]

keep ptera as an inland fisher, where it has some reason for having 3 takeoffs, and keep the less agile pela that needs to use the running takeoff in the more open beaches and coasts

[swift dew]

[odd sedge]

Again, I have no problem with that.
I'd replace Ptera with Pela in my suggestion if it gets confirmed.

But we don't know if we are getting Pela. Now I get holding that ocean-spot open for Pela open, but at the same time I think that Ptera should get ocean-diving
in case Pela will not be added

[strange wave]

dryo got burrowing, in case taco didnt make it into survival

now dryo doesnt burrow, and people are mad as hell about it

[odd sedge]

Other creatures will also burrow as far as I know so what's your point

Ptera however is the only flying creature we have (so far)

[strange wave]

quetz is confirmed

[swift dew]

@civic hawk titanoboa is already confirmed

[civic hawk]

Well that’s great news then lol

[swift dew]

and wdym predator to deino. like deino juvis or deino adults

[civic hawk]

Predator to an adult deino that’s by itself, so that would also include medium and babies. And ofc the same diet as a deino, they are alike except the snake is more of an ambush predator that could hide in the grass a lot easier than the deino.

[swift dew]

excuse me but how is the big snake supposed to eat the giant gator?

[icy lion]

titanoboa is soft confirmed, but not certain

[golden beacon]

Wide mouth lol

[thin sapphire]

Im a new player. As a raptor, I have not found any herbivores to kill twice, and have died as a result. do herbivores have it easier? Or is it just something I can't figure out

[paper oriole]

Servers are like 80% carni just cannibalize like everyone else

[honest sparrow]

Probably just aren’t in the right areas

[swift dew]

@crude bough legacy grass wasn't anymore realistic than evrima grass is idk what your talking about

[crude bough]

grass colour.

[honest sparrow]

The grass must be anatomically correct and be up to date with the latest discoveries regarding grass

[swift dew]

yeah, grass comes in multiple different colors

and in a tropical setting this grass doesn't fit well

[crude bough]

I am just takling about the green colour. I think the one of open fields in Evrima is way to saturated and, I don't know why, pixelated.

[swift dew]

it is really only bad because there is too much green, nothing to break up the green and brown since thats all there is

[paper oriole]

Carno biting while stunned is still a thing? Yikes

While they hopefully fix that they should add a stun anim too

[patent garden]

the pixelation issue seems to be mostly just because evrima's way worse than legacy performance-wise

i could run legacy on like 100 fps epic, meanwhile run evrima on 40 fps on medium with extreme lag spikes in certain areas

even without sniff

[lapis owl]

why doesn't the sort by players feature work in Evrima?

whenever i hit the players thing, it just reshuffles all the servers

also what even is the point of the favoriting feature

am i missing something?

[arctic nimbus]

@keen willow

Revealing purpose: e.g., Deino sees a Utah following a baby stego and its mom, but they don’t realize. Seeing this, the deino wants to help the steg fam and chases the Utah off, only to be killed by the stego, even though the deino was helping them survive. With global the deino could easily convey that they were not aggressive towards the stegos.
This isn't an issue. Why should the deino be interfering with the hunt anyway? Ironically, this is a reason not to add global chat back.

[swift dew]

did this guy really use mixpacking as a reason to bring global back?

[hoary dawn]

that is terrible

[tawny juniper]

Snakes unhinge their jaws, If I'm correct anacondas eat some type of crocodilian either often or every now and then

thank you for the warning

[hoary dawn]

@sick pond i literally hate you oh my god stop whining

[dry osprey]

Im so confused, wheres this epic consistency fail

[barren zephyr]

I think it's about how the wing folds

[vast wolf]

titanoboa would not be able to eat deinosuchus realistically.

[sick pond]

yeah

[vast wolf]

deino is too wide and large.

even if the boa did manage to get deino into its body it would pop.

[dry osprey]

Andacondas eat alligators in the everglades pretty consistently

However, they do sometimes pop themselves

[vast wolf]

there are no anacondas in the everglades

[dry osprey]

Burmese Pythons*

[vast wolf]

anacondas are only in south america

[dry osprey]

Watching a movie, I was thinking abt them. Wrong invasive snake but my point stands

[vast wolf]

tbf, the only pythons that can hunt gators are the massive ones and even then the largest gators are fairly safe.

its mostly juvenile alligators. or small adults.

[paper oriole]

i think people often overestimate titanoboa's size

[vast wolf]

yeah, boa is big for a snake but its still not that massive.

pretty sure its also been confirmed the thing had much less extreme jaw flexation.

[dry osprey]

Snakes will eat anything about as thick as them, python wise. That's how you go abt feeding them, you shouldn't be feeding a python something twice their width. Titanaboa seemed pretty thick, it probably would be eating sub adults

[vast wolf]

its unlikely it would have eaten full grown predators or megafauna but could still have taken young animals fish and some of the more moderately sized animals.

a sub adult purrusaurus was probably like 2.5 tons and 20 ft long at the smallest. thats not as long as boa but heavier.

i think gryposuchus might have been better off than purru at equal sizes against boa. grypo had a longer snout it could use to possibly injure the snake.

[ionic arch]

@unborn monolith Yes.!

[polar anchor]

I like jace,
thats all

[tepid gate]

Titanoboa is not an anaconda. And anacondas don't eat black caiman, which can get 4 times as large as the largest anacondas. Deinosuchus meanwhile is ~8 times bigger than Titanoboa. Overall Titanoboa would not be handling any of the large crocodiles very well(or at all).

[barren zephyr]

A perk that allows you to drink salt water would be neat.

Not dedicated to that purpose, but a little stat at the bottom that allows you to with a debuff, or decreases the debuff if they start allowing you to do it normally.

[limber hull]

i once took a journey as a raptor with my friend away from food, water and survival just so we could figure out what the beach environment actually looked like lmao

there's genuinely no reason to go there outside of "wow this biome exists"

[patent garden]

^

hopefully pteras and quetz will populate beaches a bit more once food gets added there?

maybe they can get a small amount of water back from eating fish (i.e, 10% hunger filled = 3-4% water filled)? at least in my experience as a ptera, you need to drink every 20 min roughly to stay above half

which sounds like a decent chunk of time but not if you want to go to the beach for more than 10 min at a time

[limber hull]

seeing from the designs shown in #phase-two-archive, it will be very hospitable for pteras and quetz with the high rocks that could be used as perches

[patent garden]

oh yeah im excited for that especially once pteras can grip onto cliffs n trees n stuff, just worried a bit about the water issue

[limber hull]

oh yea

lmao

[floral saffron]

@hoary dawn can u not spam posts w/ random reactions that add nothing? theres a limit to the number of reactions there can be so don't try to silence other ppl with "comfortable chair" etc., its not helpful

[patent garden]

? where did they react

[hoary dawn]

tf you talking about?

im not silencing anybody

back in my day people talked in the text channels and not with reactions

[floral saffron]

waspe's post a couple hours ago

[patent garden]

i agree with you @feral solstice about there needing to be more water sources. only issue is that pteras and quetz should both be in the air most of the time -- especially quetz. they shouldnt need to land every 10 seconds to get water when they're essentially just leathery lil paragliders with knives on their faces

[floral saffron]

scroll up for like 2 seconds in general feedback

[spiral thunder]

@red viper deinos can technically drink saltwater now.

[patent garden]

it was pretty shit feedback tho tbf lmao

"silence the people" dude just said he didnt like the concept art, didnt expand on it or say anything productive

[hoary dawn]

reactions aren't meant to be used to communicate

that's what this channel is for

i cant silence people who aren't talking

[floral saffron]

they... they are though? why do u think emojis are so popular, they communicate a feeling or idea without the need to verbalize, explain, or debate it

[patent garden]

well they are used to communicate en masse, some suggestions are very popular and can get 100+ people upvoting it. if all 100 people flooded into this channel it'd be chaos

[floral saffron]

bigger concepts that can't be conveyed via an image are what text channels are for

[patent garden]

plus it'd be harder to keep track of for devs reading thru and trying to see whether people like a suggestion

[hoary dawn]

if someone wants to communicate their feelings about a post then they can do it perfectly fine here, not being able to react with a tiny image is such a non issue

[floral saffron]

^^^ also emote spam is against server rules, tbh im surpised u didn't get pinged by a mod

[hoary dawn]

i think you're just overreacting my guy

[floral saffron]

disagree, and btw if its a non-issue why did u do it like 10x

[hoary dawn]

wha

i used 5 reactions on a post my friend made as a joke

if that warrants any form of official warning then this server has some pretty dumb rules

or

like i said

you're just overreacting

[floral saffron]

aight im not gonna argue it anymore, have a nice night ✌️

[hoary dawn]

the post isn't even at max reactions yet

[worn pumice]

what post r u guys even reffering too

thats "spam"

[patent garden]

this one

[worn pumice]

thats emoji spam?

man ppl r sensitive nowadays

that feedback was garbage too

wasnt even feedback

[hoary dawn]

it was a joke

we were laughing about it in a private server

[worn pumice]

oh lol

[hoary dawn]

pretty much the only way to enjoy islecord these days now that the memes channel is gone

[worn pumice]

i miss the meme channel

[patent garden]

@barren zephyr i don't think herreras are omnivores

pachy might work tho, depending on its diet

[barren zephyr]

I know there not but it was more of a random idea in my head, but it was more for pachy

[patent garden]

ah

[worn pumice]

pachy actually seems like something that could be omni

[barren zephyr]

I mean I don’t see carno eating bushes or leaves but I could maybe see it eating the coconut as a smaller food source

[worn pumice]

i wanna see a trike kill a giga and eat the body

[barren zephyr]

Like carnivores wouldn’t get as much food from things like bananas and coconuts but they would be able to eat it if needed

I mean TI is kinda tied to Primal Carnage and their Pachy is omnivorous.

[patent garden]

im sure people will mod in universal omnivores, so any dino can eat anything. that'd be cool to see

[barren zephyr]

Idk the beaches now just look even better and have so much more potential

[patent garden]

yee tho im hoping there'll still be a few areas left like the current beach, it's nice to have some more gentle parts too for variety

[limber hull]

i like the multiple sense concept

adds something unique to each dino

[paper oriole]

The hone in ability could be a good unique mechanic for mono

Since a lot of people want him to be a top tier tracker

Scent for mono, sound for some small sentry herbivore, sight for quetz perhaps since he will probably be predatory

[mint sonnet]

hell yea

[limber hull]

i think dryo would be a great "sound" one

since it seems like something that would be constantly on alert for big scary things

[paper oriole]

Yeah he fits, being the sort of timid whitetail deer in the isle

[limber hull]

Honestly, Deino would be vibrations for me. Not sight, sound or smell, since it has a completely unique sense it can hone in on in the water

[paper oriole]

He kinda does that with the ripples currently

[limber hull]

exactly

which is why i think he should stay how he is

[paper oriole]

I hope they change the visuals for those also, it looks so unnatural

More of a sonar type visual instead of bright glowing bubble fart rings would look less intrusive on the screen

[cedar pulsar]

bright glowing bubble fart rings

[paper oriole]

Yes

[jade haven]

@barren zephyr
#0768 its local chat in game. Only players of the same species, that are kinda close to you can see what you put in chat

[barren zephyr]

ohh ok thank you for helping

[jade haven]

np

[fickle frigate]

We should all buy Jace a beer.

[jade haven]

^ true

[fickle frigate]

I wish the same kind of work could be done with the dinosaurs (referring to the speed of that work).

[barren zephyr]

i have to binge watch videos on how to play lol

[fickle frigate]

The ONLY thing truly holding Evrima back right now is the roster. Evrima is the best game in the genre, despite being so early in the development process, and leaps and bounds ahead of its predecessor.

[patent garden]

does anyone know how long quetz grow time will be?

[flat crypt]

considering ptera's time and size, i wouldnt be surprised if quetz is roughly the same as other mid tiers? so 2-4 hours

just my guess though based on how i assume it'd perform in combat

[patent garden]

quetz is gonna be considered a midtier??

[flat crypt]

probably. it weighs about the same, i hardly see it facing off against apexes

in fact it's lighter than a lot of mid tiers

dunno, maybe they'll say fuck it and make it the most glass cannon apex in existence lmao

[patent garden]

👀

perhaps

[flat crypt]

which i could get behind, im a fan of glass cannons

it'd need a pretty nuts damage output to balance the pathetic health though

[patent garden]

might be nice variety from all the other apexes

considering the rest are all "high dmg high health"

[flat crypt]

yeah. im not a fan of big, slow tanky stuff, hence why i basically never play apex (aside from stego, but its not even considered an apex depending on who you ask)

but i love flyer gameplay. apex quetz could be fun

even so, i still dont see it having quiiite the growth of stuff like giga and rex. maybe more of a pseudo apex growth time

[patent garden]

im just excited for flyer game play to be not just added, but encouraged for coastal regions

even if you're a terrestial dino it's gonna be cinematic as fuck to see a bunch of pteras n quetz flying around and nesting on cliffs n shit

[urban flax]

Quetz might have a lot more health than expected, even though it's very light
Azdarchids had exceptionnally tough bones

[flat crypt]

yeah, but its still a flyer at the end of the day

[patent garden]

hm tru, maybe then instead of having a legbreak mechanic itll have like a wing tear mechanic?

[flat crypt]

basically any injury to those wings would be game over

meta might be flying above people and using that long neck and beak to reach down and stab, while your fragile wings stay out of reach

ive kinda been able to do that as a ptera, they just have sucky damage

[patent garden]

i mean irl even for terrestial animals, a leg break often means death. it would still be "realistic" / fair for quetz to get a wing tear and still heal from it

just temporarily be unable to fly

[flat crypt]

yeah. if you can survive the fight, it could heal. the issue is surviving the encounter when they damage your wing

[patent garden]

tbf tho i dont think anyone will want to approach a giraffe with a fucking huge knife for a face even on the ground

[urban flax]

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if quetz gets ridiculously high damage, its beak is larger than a entire human

[patent garden]

itd probably be weak to pack hunters attacking from all around but i could imagine it easily fending off larger, singular carnivores like a sub rex or smth

[urban flax]

Or maybe a special attack a little like deino's lunge ?

[patent garden]

death peck

[flat crypt]

yeah i could see it being able to grab smaller stuff like utah

[patent garden]

"sprinkle bread crumbs on the ground for maximum damage"

[urban flax]

Like, it gets a peck with fairly low damage and a dive attack that requires falling from some height and deals a tremendous amount of damage

Peregrine falcon style

[patent garden]

peregrines are very light weight tho, i think they're often lighter than the prey they hunt

[urban flax]

Yes

[patent garden]

diving as a humongous sky giraffe, especially when takeoff is gonna be pretty slow?

i really dont think that should be its main attack

[urban flax]

You're not going to crash into the ground when diving

[patent garden]

you crash into another animal when diving?

[urban flax]

Peregrine falcons don't even touch their prey when they dive

Quetz wouldn't either, the idea is to give momentum to deliver a powerful peck and stop just before colliding with the prey

[patent garden]

again i think you're forgetting they're literally the size of a giraffe. they're not going to be agile enough for that

they're gliders

[urban flax]

For instance, falcons air-brake just before hitting their prey, then grab it
Actually the dive just serves to go near their prey faster, but this is a videogame

Depends on how much they dive and how fast they go

But now that you say it it's true they might have a hard time air-braking after a dive

Maybe they could rather fix their angle then ? Like a plane

[patent garden]

i think it'd just be best to make it a "fly over and peck" pvp style. i mean, it seems the most terrifying as everyone sprints for cover trying to escape the giant fast behemoth and would help the "horror" aspect the game lacks

[urban flax]

So you gotta plan where you dive and make sure you have enough room to not crash into a tree or a rock right after the attack

Oh, I didn't say the fly and peck was not good, I'm just trying to find any special attacks
It's gotta have at least one

[patent garden]

i personally dont think more ambush predators are needed for the isle. yes it's scary but it's cheap scary -- just jumpscares. if i want jumpscares i can go play fnaf or something. id want the horror aspect of the isle to be the absolute fear of being hunted and tracked down for like 20 minutes, not insta-killed in 5 seconds

like yeah we're still gonna get the rex, cant change its playstyle, but the quetz has so much more potential and doesnt need to be an ambusher

[urban flax]

It's not really ambush if you're being able to be seen from 5 kilometers away

I was thinking or this more to be able to outpace prey who'd attempt to run away

[patent garden]

probably outpace, to where the only safety is cover.

way more terrifying and takes more skill to play than just "can you aim good?? :)))??"

[urban flax]

Like you see a quetz in the air, you hope it hasn't seen you
It starts losing altitude
Really fast
You start to run for the nearest forest

[patent garden]

i mean look at how shit hypsi's aiming ability is

[urban flax]

I'm actually frightened at how fast quetz might be
Would it make more sense for it to be faster or slower than ptera ?

[patent garden]

faster probably, but less agile

[urban flax]

Cause ptera right now is the fastest playable in the roster

[patent garden]

pteras can zip around forests and stuff

not great with the lag but yeah

[urban flax]

I don't know the precise speed of ptera tho

Since it can so easily outpace running carnos I'd say 60-70 km/h

[patent garden]

given the size difference tho, i doubt quetz will really hunt ptera much. they're too small hitbox-wise and wouldnt give jack shit food, plus unlike or (hopefully unlike) the quetz, the ptera can almost instantly do a 180

[urban flax]

90 km/h quetz

[patent garden]

f e a r

[urban flax]

Gonna outpace your fucking car

[patent garden]

i mean tbf i believe someone's said that quetz were essentially always in the air, like they could sleep up there and would do so during migrations over water so

[urban flax]

btw I hope ptera's manoeuvrablility will be slightly reduced in the future

[patent garden]

also i've heard the mercs might get (small) helicopters / vehicles

imagine being chased by a quetz in one of those

id piss myself

[patent garden]

no

[urban flax]

the lost world vibes

I mean, it can turn a 180 better than a drone

[patent garden]

why make them less maneuverable

[urban flax]

Because it's jarring

Or make a special animation for the turn-around, like land dwellers

[patent garden]

yeh maybe a special animation but literally their agility is their ONLY defense

[urban flax]

But right now it really turns too fast for a glider
Or any flyer really

[patent garden]

they're not gliders like quetz are tho, gliding literally takes stam for them

[urban flax]

They can fly, they have nothing to fear
And quetz will be less manoeuvrable than pteras anyway

Gliding taking stam is a really bad thing tho

[patent garden]

i really dont think pteras need any nerfs lmao

maybe a lil special animation but otherwise hell no

if they get nerfed at all they better lower the grow time to 30 min or else they're useless

[urban flax]

That's not really a nerf, you don't use that tiny turn radius in survival situations

[patent garden]

i have tho?

to avoid collisions especially thanks to lag

[urban flax]

But they should get back free gliding
In no universe should gliding cost stamina

Lag is not an intended game mechanic

[patent garden]

especially not since they made gliding have a way quicker decline

[limber hull]

gliding doesn't cost stamina as far as i can tell

it doesn't let you regen

but it doesn't use it either

[patent garden]

no, wave, it does

its a recent thing

[urban flax]

Let's hope it's just temporary until aerial threats are added

[patent garden]

it doesnt affect adults a lot but its still there

[flat crypt]

mh its most noticable when you're young, it prevents you from flying for very long even if you take off from high up

its pretty minor as adults but im still not a huge fan of it being a thing for them at all

at least with juvies i can understand it. its hard to fly when you're so little and baby

[limber hull]

i hope if they add quetz they make ptera more evasive in the air

since its primary predator would be quetz

[flat crypt]

as long as quetz is a truck in the air and terrible at turning i dont see ptera needing much of a change, even if quetz is fast

maybe have ascending be a little less punishing on stam

[limber hull]

quetz should be considered like an aerial carno honestly

fast as shit but not too hot on the turning

[flat crypt]

yeah, that's kinda how id like to see it play, at least against other airborne animals. fast and hits hard, but easy to dodge if you see it coming

[limber hull]

i like the quetz conceptually, since it would encourage small dinos to duck and cover to counter it. Bushes, forests and the like would be its counter area, whereas the large open plains and beaches would far favour it

[urban flax]

Basically a torpedo

Or a bullet
A 250 kg bullet

[fierce robin]

It was primarily a scavenger

[urban flax]

And Utah was primarily a lone endurance hunter.

[flat crypt]

by virtue of what it is i imagine quetz will be naturally great at scavenging anyway, roaming the skies sniffing out kills and bullying away anyone on them. but i imagine they have their sights set a little higher for it's actual intended gameplay

[urban flax]

@strong wigeon Are you telling us hackers are too fast ?

[strong wigeon]

no i say carnos are swimming way to fast in water at all

[urban flax]

Why did you use the word "hacking" then ?

[strong wigeon]

cause i was talking about the carnos that are hacking right now in general

beside the fact that carnos swim to fast

[spiral ravine]

how are they hacking

also carnos swim the slowest in the game lol, utah literally swims twice as fast as carno

[strong wigeon]

they use a shader hack so they can see any croc from outside the water no mater how deep they dive....it makes is so damn easy for them to catch all the little crocs out the water...and tho they are baby crocs the carnos can outswim them

[delicate tulip]

Okay so there's a couple suggestions that got at least 1 no, the quetz takeoff and one about beaches/the coast gaining more active...why would anyone disagree with that? Why put time and resources into making an entire area look good if it's never gonna be visited? Honestly some people in here are just...urgh

[urban flax]

The quetz running takeoff just makes no sense

It already makes no sense for ptera

[delicate tulip]

Agreed, no one even does it either lol, even as juvis all I see is people using the push off take-off, they honestly should just get rid of that running take-off altogether

What they could do is still have a running take-off but you still push off with your wings

[urban flax]

@spark otter Deino most likely won't get any debuff from cannibalizing anyways

[spark otter]

any ideas on how to prevent it?

[urban flax]

Why should it be prevented ?

Buta bigger and better map will solve most cannibalism issues tho

for deinos

Since they'll have more places to go and spread out

[spark otter]

well some animals get sick when cannibalizing so i just thought it would make sense to become sick your get some sort of de-buff when you cannibalize as a non cannibal dino.

[urban flax]

This is planned

[spark otter]

oh it was?

[urban flax]

Yes, cannibalizing will be penalized for most species when diets will come

[crude spade]

Yeah it is

[spark otter]

oh sorry must have not seen it have not been on for some time.

[limber hull]

honestly, quetz + humans might be the most fun and terrifying shit ever

[dire ridge]

Cannibalism debuff will NOT prevent killing

[limber hull]

this is 100% true

a lot of deinos kill because they can

or because of boredom

[dire ridge]

It will just prevent nice players (the ones that already cannibalise only in last resort) to save themselve from starvation

[limber hull]

(which makes no sense because why play the big, patient character if you hate waiting)

[dire ridge]

All those cannibalistic deino that chase a juvie deino on land for 10 min will continue to kill

The same goes for maggy, only cera as been confirmed to be able to eat it. But maggy will still be killed, no matter what

[delicate tulip]

The only reason deino cannibalism is a problem rn is because of how many there are combined with the flow of the map, Jace is no doubt working on bettering the flow of Spiro, also as time goes on and more things come out, the deino population will drastically decrease which will be good for everyone.

[dire ridge]

Agreed

[limber hull]

it kinda comes naturally with being such a killing solitary machine. Raptor cannibalism I see much less frequently, because more often they will use new members of the party to help hunt. Deino is the most solitary, thus loses very little from removing competition in their hunting grounds, in fact, they stand to gain more food by killing competition, as the hunt for prey is more limited as deino

[delicate tulip]

Yep, it'll especially be great for the crocs as there'll be more food to go around, more variety as spino is gonna need bigger and better fish which deino could also go after which could create more competition between the two, less deinos in the water as well will mean more terrestrial and aerial animals will put their guards down more around water allowing for deinos to get better ambushes

[limber hull]

i feel like the map, as it stands, has lots of the same. The map is large, yet there's scarcely environments that really mix it up. Swamps are hard to reach as deino and no one likes to live there and most of the deinos habitat is right next to plains and rarely any other biome. It either cuts through plains or separates one biome from plains. There's quite a few plains in the game as it stands lmao

[delicate tulip]

Yeah I can't stand swamps tbh, really I just hate tropical/swampy biomes in general, they're just eh to look at

[flat crypt]

deino cannibilism will be FAR less of an issue once the roster is close or at completion

[delicate tulip]

I want my coniferous environment XD

[limber hull]

i like the swamps but like, literally no one goes there

[flat crypt]

Right now if you want big powerful carnivore, that's what you play. just like if you want big powerful herbivore, you play stego

[limber hull]

so why bother

[flat crypt]

theres a lack of fish in swamps iirc?

[limber hull]

deino likely gets its appeal from its raw power and size, yea

[flat crypt]

which is why deinos and pteras dont really go there

[limber hull]

lack of food too

for herbis

because for some reason, basically all food spawns in, you guessed it, plains

[flat crypt]

But yeah, as much as it sucks to keep getting cannibalized as a deino, it won't be anywhere near as much of an issue once there's more to play

[limber hull]

so the game has all these cool environments yet is absolutely funnelled into the plains biome

[flat crypt]

it's kind of frightening being a ptera and flying over the rivers, seeing how many deinos there are

no wonder they all eat each other

[limber hull]

there's SO MUCH herbivore food in plains so you never ever have to leave, yet forest and jungle biomes are basically barren at best

[flat crypt]

im hoping diets will address the fact plains are the only viable place to be long term

because forests are seriously lacking in food

[limber hull]

swamps too

[flat crypt]

which sucks as a young herbi because forests are 10x safer

[limber hull]

i mean, they're planning mushrooms i believe, which will likely be swamp food

[flat crypt]

there's those edible red flowers too that ive only seen around the swamps

[golden beacon]

Exactly

[flat crypt]

but even then, they're in the grasslands around the swamps, not the actual swampy areas

[limber hull]

however, i really wish bushes despawned faster and they instead started scattering food more through different environments. I don't like the idea of a dino simply sitting still and farming food since its extremely prominent and accessible

[flat crypt]

more food that drains faster makes sense imo

forces you to stay on the move a bit more, but at least you're not running the risk of starving if you walk away from your bush

[limber hull]

i prefer the concept of basically running an area clean of food and having to migrate to support my herd, preferably to a biome which contains more food which matches my diet

[flat crypt]

what I'd kind of like to see is lots of very distinct "herbi spots" where food for certain herbis is very plentiful. They can sustain a herd for a little while, but will eventually run dry. the rest of that herbi's food is scattered more loosely between these spots, sort of guiding them to the next feeding ground and keeping them sustained until they get there

carnis can't sniff out the food to follow the "path" like herbis can, but learning where these are would be very valuable as you'd be able to track certain herbis more reliably

its the sort of thing that'd make the ecosystem feel so much more immersive

it'd make eating as a herbi more than just "run around and hope there's a bush nearby" and making tracking and hunting way more interesting as a carni

[dire ridge]

Thanks to the shallow river :/

[wintry monolith]

@spark otter diet update...

[odd sedge]

But isn't Deino itself a creature that would have probably cannibalized other deinos?
Gators and crocs do it all the time

[livid fern]

I would simply make deinos group bigger, since currently only 2 are allowed and we can't have parents-child relationship

[dire ridge]

"Crocodiles will eat any crocodile small enough for them to overpower, though males tend to allow smaller reproductive-age females to remain in their territory, of course.
Adult crocodiles don’t eat each other because they’re too large and tough - a fight would result in massive wounding to both animals. The adults have learned this through repeated scrapes when younger. Adult crocodiles are the ones that survived."

[odd sedge]

@maiden anvil
I am swooning over your animation skills, it looks damn smooth

[limber hull]

that's fucking slick

[maiden anvil]

Thank you so much!

[maiden anvil]

@odd sedge your suggestion is absolutely great! I 100% agree with you

I’ve also been thinking if the austro could live along these coast. Feasting upon ocean fish

[odd sedge]

I'd love to see those giggle chickens hop on some rocks to catch some fishies

I'd like to see Austros live in any water tho, because they are highly dependent on the tolerance of bigger, aquatic creatures

[urban flax]

Hopefully austro might be the fastest swimmer in the game, to be able to survive in waters already occupied by spinos, deinos or spinos

Unless beipi gets the fastest swim speed instead

[maiden anvil]

Probably

[odd sedge]

I would be fine with second fastest after Beipi, just on land it should be faster than any aquatic creature

Like some sort of, being able to outspeed every water creature on land and outspeeding every land creature in water.
This would give them methods to escape but not an entire, invincible life

[limber hull]

fastest swimmer in the game should def not be deino honestly, otherwise waterways would feel horrible to play in

[hybrid matrix]

[odd sedge]

Agreed

That would make Beipi and Austro horrible to work with in water

Because there is no way Deinos will let them live

[limber hull]

deino should always be slow ambush. Stronger in burst but easily outsped in any form of endurance race

or at least, their prey is better out of water

[fading fjord]

Those rocks above the sea are perfect for birbs to have a kinda safe zone 😄 No land dinos can reach?

Im imagining beachs having special fruits\bush or some other type of stuff, that will be part of some diets, and will be filled with life. Keep up the good work.

[earnest perch]

Herra might be able to reach them

[limber hull]

lmaoo

[brave nova]

this is exactly why the food is in plains, so carnivores can find you. Else you could just hide in the forest the whole time

[limber hull]

imagine a herra swimming out there and climbing a massive rock spire all to kill one bird he doesn't like

[flat crypt]

i dont think that's particularly great though

[maiden anvil]

But what about austro living along the coast. The game will clearly have enough fresh water dinos as it is so maybe the austro could fill a roll as a terrestrial seagull? What do u think

[flat crypt]

some animals should prioritise plains yes, but some should be in the forests more

they won't be getting hunted by plains predators like carnos, but they would be at risk from forest carnivores like herra

[brave nova]

you hardly have to eat as it is, imo the herbivores should have to spend much more time eating in the open than they do now, especially the bigger ones.

[flat crypt]

i just don't like that the end of the day, everyone just kinda gets forced out into the plains atm, when the forests are interesting and could be fun to actually spend more time in

[maiden anvil]

Maybe there could be a predator more adapted to hunt the the forest?

[limber hull]

diets could easily make it that, say, stego is a little plains boy, but hypsi prefers the jungle (pls let him be arboreal and collect fruit from trees), whereas teno prefers the swamps and dryo kinda just does whatever he's chill with most things

[brave nova]

Look at big herbivores in nature, eating is practically all they do

[flat crypt]

i think there should be a healthy mix of herbis and carnis that should naturally prefer time in different environments, with some that are able to be at home in several as generalists

all herbis having to be in grasslands would just be boring

[maiden anvil]

^

[limber hull]

100% agreed, this is a massive issue with the game right now

[flat crypt]

most of the large herbis specifically should be in grasslands i think, because there's just more room that way. para, trike, shant, stego. but would still be interesting to have one or two that do well in forests. i actually think anky would be great as a forest apex

likewise most of the carni apexes would hunt better in grasslands, because more room. but some might actually do well in forests, though i dont have a specific idea who in this scenario. though i could see acro pulling it off

[maiden anvil]

Yes I also think anky would do great in the forest!

[brave nova]

you can hang around in the forest all the time you're not eating though

[maiden anvil]

And theri too

[odd sedge]

Ohhhh I like that a lot!
I think their main diet should consist out of salt water fish then but nothing should be stopping them from also vibing in rivers either

[brave nova]

which is a lot of the time atm

[flat crypt]

yeah, but at the end of the day you have to come out to the grasslands to eat

[limber hull]

i think that hypsi really should be forest and can climb trees tbh

[odd sedge]

Except mean crocs

[maiden anvil]

[flat crypt]

and that's just way too risky for some animals for starters, and isn't even necessary for carnis to stay fed so long as 1. you have herbis that DO stay in grasslands and 2. you have carnis that can hunt well in forests

[maiden anvil]

Definitely

[brave nova]

how is that a bad thing? where's the fun in hiding all day in the safety of the foliage?

[odd sedge]

It can't tho

[flat crypt]

it might not be for you

but different people prefer different playstyles

[maiden anvil]

I think cera would be a great forest hunter

[limber hull]

it's got little hands let it climb

[urban flax]

You're not going to be hidden that much if there are forest predators

[odd sedge]

Give oro that niche

[maiden anvil]

And troodon

[flat crypt]

personally, i really love the stealth aspect

hiding from predators behind trees and in bushes, and likewise staying hidden from my prey in much the same way before ambushing

[urban flax]

For now there are 2 biome gameplays : Riverside and grasslands. A forest gameplay based around stealth rather than strength and speed would be wonderful

[odd sedge]

Pteras and Austros inhabiting the coasts is fuel for my soul

[brave nova]

When all we have is 3rd person it's always going to be hard to see anything in the forest, if there was a 1st person view I would agree

[urban flax]

You don't actually need a first person to do that

[flat crypt]

tbh i dont find tracking people through forests all too hard, so long as you sniff properly

[limber hull]

forest exists specifically for losing predators and really not much else

[urban flax]

Better foliage fading when behind your dino, better zommed in camera placement

[flat crypt]

if anything it can be really hard to lose someone sniffing if there's nowhere to wallow and you arent an animal that can crouch

yeah 3rd person lets you see above the bushes a LOT better

[limber hull]

i was under attack by a hostile group of adult utahs as another utah and quickly ran into the woods, since it is the prime environment for "fuck you, i'm leaving"

[brave nova]

seeing above the bushes isn't the issue, it's seeing what's right in front of you

[flat crypt]

i don't think that's particularly an issue tbh

maybe if they're really small and you're really big i guess?

[brave nova]

nah, the other way around. When they are big and can one shot me it's a bad time to be facechecking bushes

[flat crypt]

still the sort of thing i think 1st person would make a whole lot harder

regardless, id love to see forest gameplay made more interesting and viable long-term

there are some animals that really shouldn't have any reason to come out onto the plains

hypsi and hererra in particular

[urban flax]

Hypsi and herrera make for a perfect predator/prey relationship actually

Even though I used to be against climbing hypsi, it's the best candidate for climbing in our herbi roster

[brave nova]

how much time does a hypsi NEED to spend eating anyway? I've never been alive/entertained long enough to get hungry as one

you see them running around the plains, but not because they need to usually

[flat crypt]

tbh if you do stick to cover its a lot easier to stay alive. carnos really do struggle in forests and i dont see many utahs these days lmao

[urban flax]

That's because there is nothing to do in the forest

[flat crypt]

but bushes in forests are rare so you gotta risk it every now and again

[brave nova]

As far as I can tell, hypsis spend their short lives trying to blind the biggest dino they can find for the hell of it, they don't need or want safer gameplay

[flat crypt]

the lack of growth is partly to blame

[urban flax]

Everything rn in The Isle lives to annoy or kill something else

[flat crypt]

there's no real reason to try and stay alive as one

[urban flax]

Turbo it just looks like you're assuming it's gonna stay that way forever

[flat crypt]

them actually getting growth will be nice, in particular if they actually make spit viable lol

[brave nova]

true. They seem to be caving to the cries for shorter grow timers across the board though, so when they get around to adding hypsi growth it may well be around 5 minutes anyway

[flat crypt]

with dryo being 30 now i dont see hypsi being any longer, but 20-30 i could see

despite being "weaker" overall i actually think 30 would work for hypsi as well

long enough that you don't really want to have to do it again, so there's reason to stay alive. but not so long that it just isn't worth it

[brave nova]

30 for dryo is way too short, imo. 60 would be good

[flat crypt]

nah i wouldnt like that long for dryo

in particular in it's current state

[odd sedge]

30 is fine for dryo

[flat crypt]

45 at most, but 30 is nice

[urban flax]

Why would dryo have a growth time as long as a utah ?

[brave nova]

dryo is sort of a throw away dino as well atm due to the short time it takes to grow

[flat crypt]

more that it sucks to play with that useless dodge

people don't grow it with the expectation they'll actually keep it alive for long

[brave nova]

First off, that's less than utah. Second, utah is also too short

[odd sedge]

Nah

[urban flax]

Utah is a low tier, it's grow time is fine

[flat crypt]

utah isn't that great on it's own, in particular when you look at how it fits in with the entire roster as a whole

[brave nova]

I do, dryo is good fun

[flat crypt]

70 minutes is fine

[urban flax]

Otherwise you're gonna have 11 hour growth rexes

[brave nova]

How is utah low tier, lol. I can solo a 5 hour stego

[flat crypt]

thats more because stego is wack atm

utah is technically a low tier. always has been afaik?

kinda skirts between low and mid

[limber hull]

i really want dryo to have the ability to use a burrow. Not too sure about making one, but it was mentioned that dryo would be a burrower even in the roadmap

[maiden anvil]

I’m a little late for the conversation about finding people in the forest (I’m working at the same time). I saw a suggestion to make the world turn grey when using sent, everything except for things you wanna smell (other dinos, food, water and footprints). Maybe it could make it a little easier for people to seek out each other in the forest

[flat crypt]

that would be interesing! And very helpful for people who struggle with the scent system currently due to how hard it is to see

i also think this game could really do with being able to properly tell the age of tracks

at least so far as I've noticed there doesnt seem to be much of a different between old and new tracks?

[limber hull]

i really wish the game had certain dinos that specialised in certain senses like i saw someone suggest

sight, smell and sound

[flat crypt]

ah i made a suggestion for sound a while ago, its something i think could really fit in this game

certain animals being able to hear quite sounds like foot prints from further away than others

[maiden anvil]

Like dryo hearing footsteps further then what a carno does? That would be cool

Giving it a chance to run away

[flat crypt]

yep. would be a useful tool to help with balancing

minor, but a neat thing

[maiden anvil]

Plus I also think dryo should have super senses. Good smell, good eyesight and good hearing

Pretty much dryo should have some of the best senses in the game as it is so easy to hunt

[brave nova]

lol, dryo easy to hunt he says

[odd sedge]

Maybe this comes a little late, because there is another discussion going on in here but what if Austro had more dark-brown, grey and white colors for their skin to match a “coastal“ theme

I'm terrible with editing but I think that skin would fit pretty nice

[fading fjord]

Hyper Austros

[hybrid matrix]

the austros are missing shadows

[limber hull]

why would that matter

lmao

[hybrid matrix]

im giving them feedback on how to make it look better

[odd sedge]

Thank you xd

[hybrid matrix]

yw

[maiden anvil]

Ooo I didn’t even notice them at first cause they fit in so well

[odd sedge]

Austro camo

[urban flax]

@odd sedge Thanks for making me notice, I replied in the wrong channel xD

[odd sedge]

XD I thought so

[urban flax]

Happens to me all the time

[odd sedge]

I would scream if that happened to me because of the cool down

[dire ridge]

@dapper terrace love your feedback, the map is really cool imo

[limber hull]

that map is really cool, but it looks like there's really only one place to go for lakes really

@barren zephyr go to grasslands/plains, place has so much food i can smell 10 different trails to food simply by standing in the right area. Issue right now is that the game hyperfocuses on everything being in plains, so going anywhere else immediately makes food scarcer

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr

diets will lower your growth if you play well, also the purpose of apexes is to grow one, then survive for days

[swift dew]

@barren zephyr first of all, it isnt silly to ask somone to spend 5 hours because otherwise you get everyone growing the big things and you get legacy but worse. second of all there is already an autorun, you just tap shift

[barren zephyr]

and growing itself is the gameplay

[barren zephyr]

this to ^

[dapper terrace]

A better version of the map will be uploaded hopefully within the next week. I'll post on Reddit first

[dire ridge]

Noice

[swift dew]

actually I did follow the rules, and this is #general-feedback-discussion we are supposed to talk about what is in #general-feedback

[barren zephyr]

?????

[swift dew]

there is no rule against tagging someone

[barren zephyr]

You made a general feedback post, I can respond and if I want with my opinion

[dire ridge]

They're is rule against tagging dev

[barren zephyr]

and my response was pretty much just “this is already planned”

[odd sedge]

[dire ridge]

Lmao

[dapper terrace]

Lmao

[barren zephyr]

why make a general feedback post if you dont want feedback

[dire ridge]

Anyways

[swift dew]

lmao, i have never seen someone get so pissed about a tag

[dapper terrace]

Lol same

[swift dew]

anyways, that map is great moby hope we get something like that

[odd sedge]

Well I guess that discussion is useless

[dire ridge]

Not useless, just over

[odd sedge]

Fair enough

[dapper terrace]

Yeah it doesn't need as many creeks and streams as my example, but branching rivers is needed for when beipi and Minmi are out

[dire ridge]

Agree

[limber hull]

i do want more lakes

massive open lakes

[odd sedge]

☝️

[dapper terrace]

Dondi has said a few times that lakes aren't planned for this map

[limber hull]

swamps, lakes, streams, all should be considered. Oh, and really pretty waterfalls too

i like waterfalls

[odd sedge]

That... doesn't make sense tho

[dapper terrace]

I'm not Dondi don't ask me why lmao

[dire ridge]

For this part of the map maybe ?

[dapper terrace]

Who knows

[dire ridge]

Or does it said for "isla spiro ? "

Ok

Idk either

[swift dew]

it seems rather odd that a map this big would have no lakes

i guess the update 2 itteration of the map had a lake on the other side of the holowall, but I dont think that exists anymore

[hybrid matrix]

wait is that little thing on the top right of the spero map spiro?

i kno that theres a spiro map there but that little island in the top right looks like spiro

and i kno that spero is supposed to be bigger than spiro

[swift dew]

definitly not

the whole map of spero is 32x32 (including ocean) and the whole map of spiro is 20x20

[hybrid matrix]

so spero is actually smaller than spiro?

[swift dew]

which seems about right

[hybrid matrix]

bc u just said its only larger bc of the ocean

oh

wait

yeah spiro still has more land

spero is just barely smaller than spiro in terms of land

[swift dew]

im not sure which actually has more land area

[hybrid matrix]

spiro

[swift dew]

because if you add all 4 islands it comes pretty close

[hybrid matrix]

yeah theyre roughly the same

[brave nova]

both are way too big imo

[hybrid matrix]

but spiro is a tiny bit bigger

[hybrid matrix]

thats why theres gonna be a lot of ai lol

and also bigger player caps

[swift dew]

however, it would be harder to travel spero since spiro is just one big circle, and spiro has multiple islands and a huge gulf

[hybrid matrix]

true

spero is more spread out than spiro

[swift dew]

so spero might still feel larger

[brave nova]

I wanna play with other people though, the current map is a good size, maybe even just a touch on the bigger side

[limber hull]

a massive gulf like that could be interesting, but would make it that only deinos and flying dinos could migrate between the two

i have to agree, current map is big, maybe too much so

it would be fine if there was really much going on outside of the core areas

but beyond spawn, you will find nothing but desolation

[hybrid matrix]

i hope another island is added to the spero map

or maybe like a landbridge

[swift dew]

well diets will help spread people out, and I doubt we will be seeing the expansion of spiro and the introduction of spero untill after they have gotten more ai out

[hybrid matrix]

a landbridge that connected the top right island with the main island would be pretty neat

especially if it wasnt always crossable bc of tides or smthn

[limber hull]

i do think that spawn points need more diversity

have it that certain characters spawn in specific biomes, rather than preset locations

so depending on preferred habitat, creatures will spawn more in where they would be found, rather than 5 pre-determined spawnpoints

this automatically spreads them out to begin with

[swift dew]

however you can see how much mountain is on this island, so alot of it won't even be accessable by most of the roster, so it will increase player interaction by a bit

spiro is in a similar situation

[brave nova]

still way bigger than what we have, and thus way too big

[limber hull]

completely agreed

unless you're slapping several hundred, maybe even a thousand dinos down there that's really really big

[brave nova]

I mean if you double the player count they could expand the map, but if so they should make the game support more players first

[barren zephyr]

which I doubt is possible

[swift dew]

well the current map you are seeing players way too often. with this map they just need to make the game run with 200 ish players and get ai

[limber hull]

although, i'd really really like to see a game with several hundred potential dinos just to see how colossal a pack could get

[swift dew]

i make it sound simple but it really isnt

[limber hull]

nah, the only reason you see players so frequently is because the game spawns everyone in the same spots

[barren zephyr]

….

[hard bane]

anyone having issues clicking spacebar and not flying as a ptera?

[brave nova]

there's still plenty of space where you can go to avoid the hot spots

[barren zephyr]

Yeah I mean if you go to hotspots thats true

[limber hull]

diversify the spawns between species and you'll notice the amount of players you spot goes way down

[barren zephyr]

but that’s literally just center

everything else feels dead

[limber hull]

centre and south have 90% of player population

[brave nova]

you're not one of those guys who wanna play big bad carnivore without having to deal with pvp are you?

[limber hull]

perhaps if they didn't make hypershallow streams right next to centre and south spawns, there would be less people spawning there?

[swift dew]

no I just dont want to bump into carnivores every 5 steps I take. half the time im not even at center

[barren zephyr]

rn there is 0 reason to spawn anywhere but center

[barren zephyr]

what server are you playing on

[limber hull]

i never ever see herbivores, and if i leave center, i starve to death

it sucks ass

[swift dew]

officials

[barren zephyr]

because player interaction is horrible

[limber hull]

i just wanna be funny raptor

[brave nova]

south east is better, center is too crowded and not in a good way

[limber hull]

yet everyone is a deino or carno in center

[barren zephyr]

We need diets and a V3 like map ASAP

[brave nova]

be a dryo. It's like a raptor but ez

[barren zephyr]

A 12X12 map is the perfect size to support a 250 player count with a moderate amount of AI

[limber hull]

250?

buddy we have 100 players atm on most servers

[barren zephyr]

well I didn’t say it was likely

unless we get a net coder

legacy handled 200 players just fine

weird how evrima cant

Heard it was the AI path system causing it

[brave nova]

Can't be. I've been told repeatedly that bots don't affect my gameplay if I just ignore them

[barren zephyr]

Honestly Im just praying that a server just turns off AI aside from fish one day

Just to see how it preforms with around 200 players

[brave nova]

that makes two of us, sadly it's not even an option yet

[barren zephyr]

its weird how they didn’t test that during the stress test

[limber hull]

im not hyped for AI honestly. If AI were to be added, I'd like it to be something that ISN'T a dinosaur, since I really like the idea that I'm always interacting with another player

[barren zephyr]

agreed

AI ruins the point of the isle for me

mammal AI would be far better

[urban flax]

But The Isle can't work without AI

[brave nova]

ues. all this making the bots as similar to other players as possible is even worse

[urban flax]

And mammal Ai wouldn't do the trick, they're too small

[brave nova]

It can and it does

[barren zephyr]

12x12 250 is player count

V3 worked fine with 150 players

[urban flax]

That's a deathmatch, not a survival game

[limber hull]

id be fine with birds, pigs, deer, fish, etc. Stuff that I can immediately identify as not another player

[barren zephyr]

?

How

[urban flax]

Because there is one major difference between players an AI
AI doesn't always play carnivores

[brave nova]

allegedly there's players running around who never see bots, how come they're still playing?

[urban flax]

The game can't be labelled as "working fine" in its current state

[barren zephyr]

Im just saying that amount of players will make the map feel alive

and not everyone will play carnis

[brave nova]

it is working fine, wym

[barren zephyr]

there were plently of herbies in legacy

[brave nova]

there was

[barren zephyr]

with diets v3 would have worked fine

I dont get why people think AI will be immersive

Even AAA teams cant get player like AI

[brave nova]

@urban flax why are servers filled to the brim if the game is not working and needs "AI"?

I don't understand

[limber hull]

AI will take me way out of it. Imagine playing a dryo, running up to a dryo buddy and oh wait he's a robot nvm

[carmine path]

V3 was too big with not many water sources too many hotspots for diets to work

[barren zephyr]

diets will fix the hotspot issue

[carmine path]

“Little water sources”

[brave nova]

at least the dryo bots don't try to kill you anymore, lol. Still infuriating to chase down another dryo and find a bot though

[barren zephyr]

that isnt a issue

[carmine path]

Its an issue right now on Spiro as well

[barren zephyr]

there was a giant river and plenty of ponds

[carmine path]

Congratulations you had lazy river that had absolutely no food next to it

[barren zephyr]

and it wasnt even river centric like spiro

[barren zephyr]

I mean the river that went across the whole map

and do ponds not exist?

[carmine path]

No food or players went to those ponds

Diets wouldn’t of fixed it because there was simply no food spawns there. Unless they upped food spawn rates there

[tidal rose]

@dapper terrace Speaking of your rivers, that's not how rivers work. In several places you would have a river that technically flows both directions which wouldn't happen.

[carmine path]

The Nile and St. Johns river say otherwise

Shit

[barren zephyr]

not true

[carmine path]

Wrong reply

[barren zephyr]

I didn’t feel like it was a issue but if it was, just up food spawns

[tidal rose]

The nile river doesn't have one end in the ocean and the other one in another ocean. Nile has nothing to do with what he has drawn on the map as examples

While I don't disagree with the idea of adding extra creeks and stuff. the way he drew the example is just off is all

[dapper terrace]

It was a quick sketch to illustrate streams and creeks. Sorry it's not 100% accurate

[carmine path]

The tan areas are the mountains right?

[dapper terrace]

Ye

[tidal rose]

Oh well I mean I wasn't sure if you ment it literal @dapper terrace I love the idea

nevermind what I said then

[dapper terrace]

It's just an quick example to give inspiration

[carmine path]

I mean the Sketch you produced looks fucking amazing

Even if there are some inaccuracies

[tidal rose]

With proper placement, having little ponds, lakes, creeks and smaller rivers all connecting would be bad ass

ikr?

Love it

[dapper terrace]

Yeah that's what I'm hoping

Just more variation would be fantastic

[tidal rose]

Im sure though with jace around

he will set us up

[dapper terrace]

Fingers crossed

[tidal rose]

If I understand correctly Dondi was basically making the entire map previously?

[carmine path]

Pretty much

[tidal rose]

Dondi did a good job for the base map, no questions asked. But Jace is probably more focused on knowing what players do, how to get them to interact with areas etc. Since he is a level designer. Level designers don't just make things pretty

They have to make sure things they make can be interacted with or else a room or area is pointless

Such as the coastal thing they places. It looks amazing, but no one would go there if there was no diet plants there or a pond to drink from

coastal things they showed*

sorry just woke up can't type

[dapper terrace]

Jace is on a whole different level to Dondi. Dondi's maps are like a 6/10 and sometimes 7/10 in some spots. Jace is pushing us to 9/10, 10/10 maps

[carmine path]

Considering Punch said the pictures in the Isle Phase Two channel are ingame i am increasingly impressed with Jace’s work

[dapper terrace]

Yeah the images are in engine

[tidal rose]

yeah

I am impressed how quick he works and I love it

he has been like here for a week

[brave nova]

Ingame as in they're there now?

[dapper terrace]

No lol

[tidal rose]

no

[carmine path]

No

[tidal rose]

they haven't been placed in the version we play on

[brave nova]

[dapper terrace]

Not in the version of the game we have lol

[carmine path]

“Coming Soon”

[tidal rose]

in engine as in they have a copy of the map they work on

[brave nova]

looking forward to checking them out for myself

[carmine path]

Man fuck Diets and Pachy I want my Water 😅

[tidal rose]

I am impressed because I have literally been to locations like that. Only wish he did was little tide pools, other than that its pretty awesome

[brave nova]

there are some cool places that are technically WIP but you can go there as server admin

[tidal rose]

You talking about the tar pits?

the caves under tar pits etc?

I actually explored them today

[brave nova]

there's more if you go outside the map border

[tidal rose]

Oh, I never did go outside the border. I don't exactly have my own server to derp on and fly around in admin mode

I am sure Jace will redo a lot of things and im rather interested in watching the progress

I wish they gave him more tree assets though

[carmine path]

More tree

[tidal rose]

More tree ineed

[carmine path]

I just want the 3D water that is gonna melt my computer and lower my frames to .1fps

[tidal rose]

lol

[carmine path]

The Perk system however that is what i am most interested about

Im still curious how it is gonna work

[tidal rose]

Diets for me. I hate cannibalism in certain species