general-feedback-discussion

[hybrid matrix]

even better than alt q and e

[left nacelle]

Then how would you shoot while peeking?

[hybrid matrix]

ur not supposed to shoot while peaking

peaking is supposed to be for looking around a corner

[icy lion]

it should be an option

[left nacelle]

Why not tho, other games allow that. Like Tarkov

[icy lion]

and rainbow 6 (though thats a whole different genre)

[hybrid matrix]

hmmm

maybe alt shift should allow u to shoot while peaking

or no not shift cuz thats too hard to reach while pressing alt

[icy lion]

just leave it alt qe so you dont have to do alt shift hold mouse button also tap mouse button

[hybrid matrix]

fine

wait

why not x and v

[icy lion]

i guess

[hybrid matrix]

i wanna leave q open for the compass key

[swift dew]

well, cant everyone just rebind whatever to whatever key they want?

[icy lion]

or c for compass

that too

but its important to have a good default that makes sense

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but we're talking about defaults

[hybrid matrix]

q does make sense

[icy lion]

i know

[hybrid matrix]

sniffing is q
it brings up a compass
thats the inspiration for the compass idea

[icy lion]

however not everything between dinos and humans needs to be 1:1, i know sniff functions as navigation but if q works best for left lean then compass can be moved

alternatively

going back to alt

[hybrid matrix]

oh yeah

[icy lion]

q can be compass, e can be interact, alt+qe can be lean

or the other way around

[hybrid matrix]

i like alt qe being lean

wut else is there

ooh

how about z is to belly crawl

[icy lion]

that could be crouch

[hybrid matrix]

but then you have to cycle thru crouch belly crawl and standing

[icy lion]

i know lots of games with full crawl have ctrl to crouch, then again to crawl

true

i mean you could always double tap to go immediately to crawl

[hybrid matrix]

i want it to be a way to get into a tight space quickly

[icy lion]

what about alt ctrl

lmao

[hybrid matrix]

imagine pressing alt and control without having to look at ur keyboard to make sure u got the right keys

[icy lion]

plus z might be walk, too, if mercs get that

[hybrid matrix]

why do mercs need 2 walking speeds

ooh

[icy lion]

noise/footprint supression

[hybrid matrix]

i just got another idea

[hybrid matrix]

crouching?

[icy lion]

and maybe aim, id hope that aiming will be harder while moving

sometimes you still need the height

[hybrid matrix]

slow walking (which is smoother so its easier to aim while moving) and joging (bumpy, bad idea to shoot while jogging)

[icy lion]

and jog could be the default, like how trot is the default

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

except unlike trotting its genuinely fast

but not like fast fast

[icy lion]

yea human speed is a whole other ballpark

[hybrid matrix]

its in between run speed and walk speed

ok so crawl is just double tap crouch?

[icy lion]

could be, lots of games have it like that

to me it makes sense to keep it on the same key

[hybrid matrix]

ye

wut other human stuff is ther

ooh

u should be able to toggle ur radio

[swift dew]

i think the radio could be like what you use in phasmophobia

[hybrid matrix]

well i mean
whenever someone chats on the radio it should make a sound
so u should be able to turn it off for hiding

btw i dont play phasmo

[swift dew]

oh, toggle it off for hiding, ok that makes more sense

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

now, wut key should it be

[swift dew]

i thought you meant like toggle it on to talk, and then toggle it back off

[hybrid matrix]

yeah no that would be annoying

also, toggling it on and off should hide/show chat

bc if u turn ur radio off u wont be able to hear wut ppl r saying

should e be reload when u have ur gun out>

[hybrid matrix]

@loud kindle Have I got good news for you!

all of those things are either in the game or coming to it in a future update

[icy lion]

@loud kindle

1. planned
2. planned
3. planned for certain species (maybe not all carnivores/omnivores)
4. already in the game

[hybrid matrix]

super wut do u think about my list of human ideas

[icy lion]

personally r should be reload, maybe a button like g for ready/stowing (if guns arent always out) and holding rmb should aim down sights

[hybrid matrix]

aight

[icy lion]

everything else i like, since you could also use scrolling for scopes and weapon swaps if scopes are only used while ads

f for flashlight just makes sense, and youd want it to be easy to reach since its 100% necessary

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

aight
ima make some changes when i get back to my computer

[loud kindle]

YAY

omg

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-bow-michael-scott-steve-carell-office-gif-12985913

is poop also planned btw

poop tracks

[steady lintel]

@loud kindle are you asking this for legacy ? Or have u switched to evrima

[loud kindle]

im still on legacy

im not sure my computer atm can run evrima

[steady lintel]

Ohhh okay Jw Bc the picking up body stuff is already in game

Just seeing if u were confused on how to do it or something Bc sometimes the new mechanics might not always be clear to someone who just started it

[tawny juniper]

@loud kindle Elaborate on "a male mating requirement for mating and nesting in eggs"

[steady lintel]

Punch already confirmed a male will be needed for a female actually being able to make an egg

And how you’ll need to collect things for the nest I’m not sure if he meant the male will have that responsibility only tho

[tawny juniper]

ohhhh

Yeah

I thought he meant there had to be certain requirements for the male to be able to contribute

[loud kindle]

you have to mate with a male before laying a fertile egg

[tawny juniper]

yeah

[violet magnet]

re: 3rd person POV for humans
I cannot play first-person POV without getting a migraine. If I'm forced into first-person POV when playing humans, then I'm just never gonna play humans so as to not get a migraine

[hasty dagger]

I’d understand 3rd person for tribals, but 3rd person for mercs is a biiiiig nono

[violet magnet]

it could be a fixed position over-the-shoulder 3rd person camera, instead of the camera we have on the dinos now that lets you look all around
with the fixed camera you'd have to turn around to see what's coming at you from the side and/or to shoot that way

it's like this in some shooter games now but i can't think of any-

like this but maybe zoomed in tighter to decrease the field of view

[hasty dagger]

As I understand it, they don’t want you to be able to see that way as a Merc without exposing yourself. They want the human side of the spectrum to be the “Horror” part of the Survival-Horror genre The Isle aims to be, and therefore want maximum immersion.

[barren zephyr]

would that be due to motion blur in a first person perspective?

[barren zephyr]

You know that some people are more familiar with first person shooter than third person shooters.

certainly

I'd rather have an FP view, because it makes using weapons a bit easier.

Or you could toggle between 1st and 3rd person

[flat crypt]

a toggle between 1st person and 2rd person locked over the shoulder would be good imo

[manic flint]

Bro they need to give stego a sweep AOE attack

[flat crypt]

still immerses you in the horror, but people who have issues with 1st person don't have to deal with that

plus over the shoulder is typically tight enough that it doesn't have much of a distinct advantage over 1st person, in particular if the FOV doesnt change

[barren zephyr]

@oak marsh Spinosaur lips are not contradictory to scientific evidence.

It could have been partially lipped as well (with only the tooth rosette at the front exposed)

[oak marsh]

Oh yeah I just didn’t specify because i forgot to

Both are a possibility though

It just makes sense for more water dwelling animals and TI specifically with what direction they went

[barren zephyr]

There isn't any design consistency in the isle rn

Especially since the Devs are now shifting from the semi accurate designs from The Stomping Land to abysmal crap

[oak marsh]

Well that was just an analysis on my end at least, deleted the post though since I get a bit anxious sharing opinions here pffb

[barren zephyr]

@torpid nest putting a thumbs up on your own post lol

problem is, there is something called OBS lol

[arctic nimbus]

@torpid nest Or just leave those people on Legacy alone. They're not affecting you lol

[violet magnet]

it happens in every first-person game whether or not it has motion blur, but if i have something to focus on (like my character when in a 3rd person perspective) i don't get the migraines

i don't wanna be locked out of playing an entire faction just because i can't handle the camera angle an optional toggle between 1st-2nd-3rd POV would be nice

[kindred flare]

@torpid nest or just delete legacy

[paper geyser]

i don't think symbiotic relationships need any input from the developers

they'll happen as they happen

which is never

because the risk is too great for either party, especially in the hypsi-deino situation

[flat crypt]

in this example its behavioural too, which isn't really something the devs can code given players behave however they want. It's the sort of thing that would be much better defined through rules on (non-official) servers

There are some symbiotic relationships you could add in that wouldn't be purely behavioral and could have actual mechanics (hypsi being able to clean deino teeth, perhaps) but this isnt that :P

[tawny juniper]

@torpid nest How do you stop people from making videos on Evrima

Legacy*

@snow meadow That is a mutual relationship

[paper oriole]

It's a symbiotic relationship as the two species are actively benefitting off of eachother

Symbiotic relationships like that cpuld work but nothing like mix packing predator relationships that would just ruin the game for everybody else

[tawny juniper]

Isnt that a mutual relationship

Where both animals benefit

[paper oriole]

Hmn google says its both

[paper geyser]

yeah they're the same

and like i said we don't need additional mechanics to achieve that

the two players can just go "hey lets work together" and do it

like a hypsi watching out for a deino's eggs

[tawny juniper]

and honestly the deino would kill the hypsi for shits and giggles

[paper oriole]

I mean there are players that just won’t kill something because its cute and not worth it but thats like maybe 20% of people lol

[steady lintel]

Me when I see bb trikes on legacy

[odd sedge]

I mean how could you kill something as cute and pathetic like a baby herbivore

[steady lintel]

Hypsis annoying tho I’d understand why ppl would kill em

[finite iron]

Hypsi is probably going to be one of the least player herbivores

Considering it’s uh mostly useless, it’s only a feeder animal

[strange wave]

@turbid mauve #ai-feedback exists for a reason

[paper oriole]

imagine the server lag from hundreds of AI grouping together

[hybrid matrix]

Yea

It's a cool idea tho

[paper oriole]

yeah it it could work it'd be cool but i wouldn't keep my hopes up

[hybrid matrix]

Yea

[safe galleon]

I could see scripted events with huge ai herds

would be pretty cool

[valid elk]

Did I push my point across? Was I too aggressive?

I feel like I was too aggressive...

What do you guys think?

[hasty dagger]

You were good, levelheaded like always. You weren’t toxic about anything, like saying “Austro trash”, you made your point effectively and made it even clearer with the Godzilla comparison.

[lilac swallow]

Perfectly said

[valid elk]

Oh thank goodness. I felt like visuals would help with this comparison, and I chose something easy.

[hasty dagger]

Visual representation of something is always greatly helpful, at least in my opinion.

[lilac swallow]

My point is allways, with a drastic redesign, you Will make many of the original design fans mad and loose them and only gain few new fans for that creature

[valid elk]

True...though, it is hard to steer away from those designs when they will still appear.

[lilac swallow]

I would also like to point, that with things like austro, whats the point of strains? Strains were supposed to be the super mutated over the top versions of normal dinos but some new normal dinos like austro are already super mutated an over the top

Like, i feel strains Lost their point

[valid elk]

Agreed.

[lilac swallow]

Like, you dont have both concepts of normal dinos and strains if you are gonna erase the line that separate both concepts

[hasty dagger]

Didn’t even think of it that way, not sure if I agree 100% atm, but that makes sense.

[barren zephyr]

I really liked Artagnan's feedback/suggestion

[tawny juniper]

@turbid mauve 100+ herds are going to cause lots of lag

[paper oriole]

They already tried fixing the chinese hackers and their servers on legacy which broke some shit and then they came back anyway

[barren zephyr]

@paper oriole what was confusing about my post?

[paper oriole]

Doesnt evrima ai spawn around the map randomly rather than spawning in proximity to a player or did they not stick with that

[barren zephyr]

Oh, tbh I'm not sure. I didn't realize that was a thing to begin with. That's not such a good idea tho because the game has to load the ai when there's no one around to eat it anyway 🤔

[paper oriole]

Couldve sworn they stopped with that thing where they have ai spawn by people specifically. I mean yeah the game would be loading ai where theres people not there but thats not too much different on the server strain than a player loading in at a remote area i'd assume

[barren zephyr]

The game has to load logic code for ai it doesn't for players

[paper oriole]

Personally not a fan of ai spawning in proximity to players like legacy where the game just goes “hey you're hungry here's a snack” but i think it spawns randomly now. Not certain

[icy lion]

ai has spawn points, not based on players

on one hand it prevents people from having ai on hand at all times, on the other hand people have been able to find and camp these points

theres pros and cons to both

[valid elk]

Rather rude someone said "shut" under my post

Instead of tagging me

[valid elk]

Thank you, friend Light. I had hoped it did not come out angry or arrogant or anything. I just wanted to give out my thoughts on the matter.

[warm flame]

yeah, was wonderin' what that was about, maybe they thought you were talking about adding godzilla or just talking about godzilla?

[barren zephyr]

no, it was about comparing Godzilla's terrible redesign to Tapwing and Fred's Isle redesigns

@warm flame you did describe something wrong.

In PCE we have acro, not giga

And giga works as an alt skin/mutation

[warm flame]

I was using an example from the isle

[barren zephyr]

Oh

[warm flame]

when bringing up giga

[barren zephyr]

Fuck nvm

[warm flame]

lmao

@willow zealot I highly doubt they'll ever make a live action trailer, but I do think that would work

[barren zephyr]

@warm flame that would work, and I would totally love to see that put into the perk/elder-perk system

more really as an elder-perk

[warm flame]

like as an elder you can change into something?

[barren zephyr]

no

once you die of old age as an elder, you have the choice to either be a strain or gain a perma perk for that species

I'd love to see something, like genetic mutations, where you work your way to gain a 'sub-species' perma perk/skin.

It would be interesting if it that sub-species could have some alterations that isn't just 'looks/model'
eg. Diet

[warm flame]

"perka perk"

and different roars could work too

[barren zephyr]

[barren zephyr]

basically a remodel, but you have to work for it

[warm flame]

I'd do anything to be Carchar.

[barren zephyr]

I'd love to be a carchar

[warm flame]

I like carchar more than giga tbh

[barren zephyr]

same

people want dibble and styraco

why not give Dibble an elder perk mutation of a styraco

[warm flame]

you want tarbo? elder perk mutation

[barren zephyr]

pretty much

[warm flame]

you should prolly make that suggestion too since your describing would be better

[barren zephyr]

alright, hopefully it's good XD

[still raptor]

How is saying ‘Hype Rising’ feedback? Just clogs this channel with more bullshit.

[torpid nest]

Everyone dose that

[barren zephyr]

not necessarily

if you at least want some form of honesty, you gotta put a dislike, too

[still raptor]

Rarely anyone does that lol

[torpid nest]

I said make people stop making videos on legacy

[torpid nest]

Some people do

[barren zephyr]

so that it is like a vote poll

[torpid nest]

The isle devs said they will delete legacy when more than 50% switch to evrima

[icy lion]

they never said anything about population

devs have said legacy will be deleted once evrima has surpassed legacy in content

[still raptor]

Lunary you take this. I dont feel like arguing at 1 am with no sleep

[brave rampart]

Honestly, Elders shouldn't look monster-y

They're elders that are weaker due to old age, not an entirely different killing machine like let's say a Hyper

[hasty dagger]

I’m fine with most of the elder models, but Elder Utah is just.. off, idk what it is about it.

[barren zephyr]

@fallen path alligators build nest mounds, which would be a nicer mechanic imo

[kindred flare]

I know. It was a joke adding on to another joke

[torpid nest]

Ok

[icy lion]

they never said that legacy will be deleted based off of evrimas population

[barren zephyr]

They would likely delete legacy upon Evrima's completion

and that is several years away

[kindred flare]

Yeah they did. "Legacy will be deleted once evrima has surpassed in in content + players"

[icy lion]

"EVRIMA won't replace legacy until EVRIMA has surpassed it in fun/content" - Punch

im on mobile so i cant link

nothing about population there

[steady lintel]

@elfin socket as a streamer you are allowed to stream evrima as much as you want

[quartz wadi]

@barren zephyr might be a keybind issue

[odd sedge]

No it's not, I have that too. Evrima works just fine and so does every other game. Just legacy doesn't

Don't Know how to fix it tho

[quartz wadi]

I heard you have to delete a save file somewhere then redo your keybinds

i had a issue where i could only use calls when i first had legacy and that fixed it so

[odd sedge]

Thank you, I think that might help

[quartz wadi]

i just dont remember where the save file is located

[icy lion]

theres an image of it in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[quartz wadi]

but you gotta delete the save file for evrima i believe then you can remap your keybinds for both games again. might work

[odd sedge]

I was already pinged in evrima trouble shooting ^^

Oh, quick topic change, I think the murky water so far is fine, because swamp water should be quite murky.
I don't know, how normal, clean riverwater looks like tho, so feel free to enlighten me

[quartz wadi]

swamp water is murky but its still water, look at murky underwater footage. you can see ATLEAST a few feet infront of you compared to seeing nothing in evrima

[gusty trout]

in the stream the water wasn’t working properly for deino it will have more vision than the murkiness every other job aquatic dino sees

[quartz wadi]

im not talking about deino vision, im talking about normal dino vision underwater

[gusty trout]

they also mentioned new water so that might be subject to change entirely

[flat crypt]

Rather than midtiers being able to jump when they're probably a bit too big for that, I think it'd make more sense to just make sure the IK is good and that dinos can step over logs just fine

I think evrima is a little better than legacy when it comes to the whole issue with getting stuck on pathetically small rocks and logs, but there's always improvements to be made.

[flat crypt]

maybe for particularly large rocks and locks (but still things that are below ankle/knee height) you're slowed down when trying to step over them, but they don't stop you completely and act as some impassible barrier

[keen vapor]

Carnos leg are very poorly built for jumping. It cant bend its legs like a human and propell itself upwards.

[wintry monolith]

Yeah its all about Speed and killing smaller animals by runing them down

[odd sedge]

I don't think a 2 ton Carno should be able to jump

[quartz wadi]

@odd sedge Idk if Titanoboa would even make it into the isle anymore, itd likely be difficult as its another start from scratch creature to create but likely even harder like what are you suppose to do when something is biting your tail and such

[odd sedge]

Good point

[quartz wadi]

id love to see the devs ideas but I feel like titanoboa will be vulnerable but also high damage if you get bitten and coiled around, its all about gameplay mechanics. i assume the body movement is mainly based on the IK system and you control its upper body, when attacked you can press a button to coil up into a defensive position. alot of testing to be done for such a creature

[paper geyser]

pretty sure they deconfirmed titanoboa indefinitely

[odd sedge]

Well even if big snek doesn't added a leap for the arboreal Hera would still make sense in my opinion.
If players can climb they will most definitely try to jump from tree to tree, so why not enable it for them to some extend

[paper geyser]

i agree

if herra can climb then it should be able to leap from tree to tree

[quartz wadi]

im sure leaping from tree to tree will work with a climb mechanic

anyways, titanoboa does have a chance at returning as the devs i think have stated they want to pretty much add every dino they previously had and more BUT whether theyre playable on the server you play will be up the server owners

[odd sedge]

Alright ima edit the Titanoboa part out of the suggestion, won't change anything on the actual mechanic

[paper geyser]

sure but titanoboa was never officially implemented as far as i know, and they had a lot of issues with it

i wouldn't get my hopes up for it

[quartz wadi]

but it doesnt mean titanoboa is returning anytime soon as its still a very complicated playable like it was barely teased for legacy, having it for evrima will be even more hell lmao

[quartz wadi]

it was only teased on streams and didnt even have any animations i believe, all we really seen was part of its model and a glimpse of its body in murky water

[sacred quest]

@flat crypt i agree things like the spino design look more like the magna variant rather than the actual animal. Dont get me wrong i like the spinos design but i feel it should be made into the magna spinos model. Although i think gigas and megalanias look like a alright design. #general-feedback message

[still raptor]

New water is most likely referring to 4.26 water.

[valid elk]

I would rather have someone tag me than just put under my post, ya know?

[last widget]

thought i say something but only alligator make mounds like this usually.. like crocodiles lets say the nile crocodile competes with other females for the biggest stud croc and the best places to nest, Such as good shade but not 2 much and nice sandy slopes . kinda like how a sea turtle does it.. except less competing. not to mention deino in my head is no alligator.. its a huge ass crocodile lol.

[haughty cliff]

Deino's actually much more closely related to alligators

[fervent fable]

Guys alot of you put confusion on my suggestion,
Can you guys let me know what you don’t understand, cause it confuses me when
No one is giving clear understanding on what you’re confused on,

Just abit of help y’know?

[urban flax]

That's not a confusion reaction
It's a reaction for people to say they are not sure if they like the suggestion /it's worth thinking about

[fervent fable]

Oohh

[odd sedge]

I like a 5 call as a group invite / mating invite, would solve a lot of problems

[sacred quest]

yeah would help quite a bit

plus would add a sound that can be used to attract dinos of your species from a distance too

for specifically grouping or mating

[tawny juniper]

Thats true

Could potentially be heard over large distances by dinos of your species?

And troodon could mimick those calls

Which would help aswell

https://tenor.com/view/the-dots-are-starting-to-connect-starting-to-connect-its-coming-together-working-as-planned-its-starting-to-come-together-gif-15180306

[odd sedge]

Ohhhhh I like that

[fervent fable]

@barren zephyr not gonna lie, that
Gamemode is a pretty neat idea, more gameplay variety of gamemodes
Is something we need instead of just classic survival

[sacred quest]

@barren zephyr Yeah i agree with LazyBonesSans that gamemode would be awesome honestly and would make for some cool gameplay if ai also spawned in at specific seasons and stayed in until they die like lets say 1 or 2 herds of ai teno.

but in general i think its a great idea

[odd sedge]

Same, but the growth times are too long imo

[fervent fable]

Yeah but as a community we can discuss the growth times, or they stay
The way they are like normal survival, who knows maybe the devs will get some ideas for it

[turbid mauve]

Then fix the lag or hire someone to fix the lag and correct it. It's really not that hard when one knows what "one" knows is dealing with.

[golden iron]

yea we really need a 5call for grouping because maybe i just want to show the stego thats close to me that im friendly but dont want to group. Some herbis are aggro to other herbis, and i want to show friendlines without being forced to group with them

[tawny juniper]

If you have herds of 100+ its going to cause lag

idk how you expect them to fix that

you can't snap your fingers and make those have affect on the game

If the game has to load hundreds and hundreds of extra entities its going to lag

period

[barren zephyr]

You can only optimize something so much

[turbid mauve]

Why? tho like i wanna get deep with u and i wanna know why, nothing is impossible yo

[tawny juniper]

Didn't say it was impossible

And as for why it would lag

Is because your computer has to load every single one of those ai

And thats extremely hard

[turbid mauve]

then get a better computer

[barren zephyr]

Not to mention rendering in 100+ entities is going to obviously cause frame lag.

:/

[tawny juniper]

Thats what I mean

[icy lion]

the server would also struggle to run all those entities

[tawny juniper]

If your going to do this I'm not talking to you

This will be the third conversation I've had with you over a stupid mechanic that won't work

[barren zephyr]

You're going to lose frames no matter what. Its a lot of strain on your processor, having to render 100+ entities and the environment.

[tawny juniper]

so be agreeable to talk to or I am not talking about it with you

[turbid mauve]

Then script these so called "entities" with less value and simplistic stuff, reduce the lag etc. how am i fixing the problem and im not even a dev

[icy lion]

youre not lmao

ai doesnt work like that, neither do scripts

[tawny juniper]

You have no knowledge of how computers run things in a game

No matter how simple they are they will cause lag if theres enough

I don't know much on this subject and but I know that much

[turbid mauve]

rust be having 500+ people in a server and i don't lag

[tawny juniper]

Rust is not as heavy in terms of graphics if I'm correct

[icy lion]

rust is a well established game with years of polish and much more money to put into servers

[tawny juniper]

that aswell

[icy lion]

evrima is still, metaphorically speaking, in the oven

[tawny juniper]

ye

[turbid mauve]

lets start a gofundme

[tawny juniper]

Or just not add 100+ ai herds

[icy lion]

money isnt a solution lol, it just helps

[vestal rune]

doesn't rust generally have offficial servers or very big unofficial servers? isle has more small unofficial servers

[icy lion]

which is why i mentioned "years of polish"

[turbid mauve]

remove dat stuff ew unofficial servers omg smh

just make everyone play on official servers then

[vestal rune]

uh, that's a horrible idea

[cyan flame]

Unofficial servers are good, makes for more different experiences, which is nice

[tawny juniper]

What I've started to learn about you class, is when you think an idea is good. No matter how much evidence is given on how it won't work or what will stop it from working. You never change your mind.

[vestal rune]

I'm all for officials but preventing unofficials being made is stupid

[tawny juniper]

Which makes you a very obnoxious person to have an opinionated discussion with

This isn't even opinionated actually

it just wouldn't work

[turbid mauve]

work hard or hire someone who is well versed in these so called years of polish

[vestal rune]

also what gameplay function do herds 100s strong server? I don't think they should ever be above 20

[tawny juniper]

Or just don't add 100+ herds

[icy lion]

i hope you know hiring someone doesnt make time go faster

[turbid mauve]

it does when they know the material

[icy lion]

also, they are hiring. theyve been actively looking at applicants for months

[tawny juniper]

You aren't acknowledging that it's simpler to just not add it rather than do your solutions

[vestal rune]

what reason is there to even add 100+ herds?

[cyan flame]

I doubt you'd need 100+ herds, just go with what would look visually impressive for a given situation, which can be pretty low numbers. I've had tenno herds of 15 or so, it's nice to see, no need for massive numbers to get a good feeling.

[tawny juniper]

Immersion from what I understand

[vestal rune]

20 dino herds are good enough

[icy lion]

i imagine unofficials will be able to crank up the ai numbers as much as they want

[vestal rune]

in terms of gameplay, there's barely any difference between a 20 big herd and a 100 big herd

[turbid mauve]

bruh im not gonna subjectuate myself to less, what kind of animal does that , strive high, dream big, allow ur aspirations to drive you not degrade you

[tawny juniper]

And get out of the clouds and realize we don't live in the year 3000

[still raptor]

[turbid mauve]

i will settle for this tho

😋

[cyan flame]

Yeh, that's fair, but immersion would be more related to the effect than the numbers I would think. I'm pretty sure if you see 20 tennos on a field, that'll still give you the experience you might be hoping for.

[tawny juniper]

As of now, most to all computers cannot handle this game with 100+ herds

[vestal rune]

ye I think 20 big herds are fine

and efven those should be rare

[tawny juniper]

agreed

[icy lion]

not even on the client end, itll be hard on servers too

[tawny juniper]

true ^

[steady lintel]

Triple A companies would have a problem with 100+ herds

[still raptor]

This is why I said I wouldnt argue in these feedbacks anymore.

Smfh

[turbid mauve]

scroll up to the comment about rust thingy reference

[steady lintel]

Can u just the message link

[tawny juniper]

How would that change anything

[steady lintel]

If it’s far up

[tawny juniper]

we just established that rust is more polished and has less detail

[vestal rune]

tbh I don't think rust has to deal with 100 entities all in one place

[tawny juniper]

True that aswell ^

[turbid mauve]

#general-feedback-discussion message

not even half way up

[tawny juniper]

I'm sure it lags like hell when all 500 people are in one spot

[turbid mauve]

i formed a tribe up to 30 people and i didnt lag

[icy lion]

30 is less than 500

[tawny juniper]

Alright so 6% of the server in one spot

[icy lion]

30 is reasonable

[turbid mauve]

still equates to the immersion aspect

[tawny juniper]

How does having 30 people together and not lagging equate to having 100 and not lagging

[keen vapor]

rust is vastly different from the isle in terms of optimization

[tawny juniper]

eating 30% of a pizza and not being full is different then eating 100% and not being full lmao

[keen vapor]

Trust me i got 1k hours in it lol

[turbid mauve]

we need to start a gofundme and get these polishes and data to be present here too

[tawny juniper]

Someone already said money doesnt fix the problem, it just helps

[turbid mauve]

that emoji went too far

[tawny juniper]

I don't understand why you cant realize it would be simpler to just have herds of 15-25

[keen vapor]

lots of high poly dinos is different from lots of pretty basic player models + rust has had several years of constant development to consista tly optimize the game better

[turbid mauve]

then make it help omgul i just wanna see and feel alive okay? is that too much to ask for? god

[icy lion]

[tawny juniper]

It is very much too much to ask for

100 herds are going to lag

End of discussion

wont work, isnt going to for a long time

[keen vapor]

Having players clott up in one area will make the map feel dead

It is something the devs are working to avoid

[tawny juniper]

He's talking about 100+ herds of ai

[last widget]

ew\

[turbid mauve]

i don't want be a herbivorous animal and wander alone all the time, that sht get old

[keen vapor]

That will suck up lots of players

[tawny juniper]

not including players

[tawny juniper]

then join a group

[last widget]

^

[turbid mauve]

i dont have any friends ;-;

[tawny juniper]

request to join a group

make a group

[tawny juniper]

Join someone from chat

[icy lion]

you dont need to know people irl to group in game

[turbid mauve]

global chat being removed ;9

[tawny juniper]

It isn't at the moment

[last widget]

sorry but 100+ ai thats cancer, like.... no. yes lots of ai of different species but 100+ no go find you a group of people and play with them simple.

[keen vapor]

99% of the groups im in is with randoms lol

[last widget]

same sky but thats still players

[keen vapor]

you get to meet a lot of new people

[icy lion]

you can still have big groups of ai, but 100+ isnt feasible, especially when most servers have a 100 player cap as well

[tawny juniper]

And with the new group system idk how this will help you at all

[turbid mauve]

okay enough about me im talking about what i want, immersion aspect people, this is not about what i want, its about what immersion feels like

[icy lion]

something like a herd of 15-20 tenos would still feel impressive

[tawny juniper]

Immerse yourself in 5 fps

[keen vapor]

by the way when 100 players meet up in rust it lags like crazy

[last widget]

thats what i like about official like you could be grouped then that person gets eaten then you manage to find a baby and raise them like this game.. idk it has the adventure.. and people for you to engage with..

[turbid mauve]

ive been in a tribe with 30 and i didn't lag ;-; so

[keen vapor]

even with an insanely good optimized game like rust, simulating 100+ players in one area is going to cause lag

[turbid mauve]

ill settle for 20

[tawny juniper]

That isnt the same

I already said

[last widget]

look thats dog shit rust, this is the ilse switch the topics bk lol

isle

[tawny juniper]

you can eat 30% of pizza and not be full, but eating 100% and not being full is completely different

[keen vapor]

watch rust zerg vids @turbid mauve and look at how laggy it eventually gets

they

[turbid mauve]

okay people we settle for 20 das it. i get it omgul

[keen vapor]

30 and 100 is different

[tawny juniper]

There is a difference between 30 people and 100 if you didn't already know @turbid mauve

[keen vapor]

ever tried participating in a zerg attack lol?

[turbid mauve]

i said 20 is something id settle for. 100+ is just in my dreams and what i aspire the isle to become, immersion, people, immersion.

[tawny juniper]

Like I said, if you immerse your self in 100+ ai herds, your immersing yourself in 5 fps

[last widget]

breh this is for isle discussion not rust, go there if you want to talk about rust.

[keen vapor]

I mean u suggested they would make it

[last widget]

so keep it isle topics

[tawny juniper]

He's using rust to make points chill out

[keen vapor]

allright discord mod

[last widget]

like what point

[swift dew]

are you guys talking about 100+ people in one area? even the most optimized games lose a ton of frames like that

[tawny juniper]

Scroll up in chat

Its not my job to list them

[last widget]

totally different games and servers that can handle a different player base.

[tawny juniper]

No he wants 100+ ai herds

And guess who it is

[last widget]

ik

[turbid mauve]

ive been in a tribe of up to 30 people in rust and i didn't lag

[last widget]

100+ ai is cancer

[keen vapor]

dreams will be dreams ig

[tawny juniper]

OMG

[swift dew]

i hope you realize 100 people is more than 3 times 30 people

[tawny juniper]

30 is different then 100

[last widget]

when you got 100 people in the isle server no need for ai tbh, go kill people if you are hungry or group with someone if you're so bored.

[tawny juniper]

are you in first grade

[keen vapor]

30 player clans and 100 players is vastly different

[barren zephyr]

Like I said.

It's a lot of strain on your processor to render in 100+ AI, not to mention the environment, the grass, particles, etc. You're going to have frame drops and frame lag. Optimization can only go so far, but 100? Likely not.

[last widget]

^

[tawny juniper]

eating 30% of a pizza and not being full is different then eating 100% and not being full lmao

[turbid mauve]

i hope you realize if we can achieve 30 people in one area... we can achieve 100... in one area. "god voice" 💡

[tawny juniper]

I've said that three times

[barren zephyr]

And thats not even considering the strain it has on the server.

[tawny juniper]

How does that make sense

[last widget]

lol no

[tawny juniper]

30 is 3x a hundred

[barren zephyr]

Lag and frame drops are different things as welp.

[swift dew]

why would you even want a giant herd of 100 herbivores? that is just stupid

[tawny juniper]

so it would be 3x the strain

its actually more then 3x

[last widget]

agreed

[swift dew]

dont forget + 10

[tawny juniper]

3+x the strain

[turbid mauve]

immersion effect

[barren zephyr]

30 and 100 are two separate numbers.

[last widget]

fucking retarded, the grouping system is perfect rn...

[tawny juniper]

not at all

but thats not the current topic

[last widget]

like limited number of how many people

[tawny juniper]

oh yeah

thats fine

[icy lion]

calm down. this is about ai

[last widget]

yes no shit

[tawny juniper]

I thought you meant the invitations and whatnot

[turbid mauve]

immerse yourself WITH LOFEE!

LIFE!

[last widget]

no no

[last widget]

wait why do people keep thinking im not on the ai topic lol

[barren zephyr]

whats going on here?

[icy lion]

you mentioned grouping, so i assumed you were talking about players, my b

[turbid mauve]

when dio comes im out, his smarter then me bye

[last widget]

a discussion on 100+ ai

[turbid mauve]

😗

[last widget]

no no, im just talking bout like 100 + ai and the grouping cuz correct me if im wrong mentioned wanting 100+ ai cuz they get bored as shit cuz of something

[swift dew]

the only thing 100+ herbie herds will do is give someone who is playing on a supercomputer an advantage because everyone else is running on .5 fps while the supercomputer guy is running on 20

[icy lion]

seems about right, yea

[turbid mauve]

in life there will always be advantages and disadvanges, no matter what. the only thing we can do is strive to be better :3

period.

hun

we all in different levels.

where you see a disadvantage i see an advantage on youtube immersion effect in the isle

[swift dew]

what are you saying? i just made a joke that even the guy playing on the supercomputer would be running on 20 fps with 100+ herbie herds

[barren zephyr]

Well

[swift dew]

this isnt even in general feedback

[hybrid matrix]

immersion?
i wouldnt be immersed from a bagillion herbivores in one spot giving me 7 fps

also

[tawny juniper]

Class why do you always want crap that isn't going to happen or isn't possible, First human pregnancy in the isle, then mercs taming, now 100+ herds. Give it a break and think about how/if it would work/fit in the game before you make a suggestion

[barren zephyr]

Even if you have a super computer, you will still encounter lag because of the server strain.

[tawny juniper]

Because these discussions are getting old

[barren zephyr]

HUMAN PREGNA-

AH HELL NAW

[hybrid matrix]

aside from all of the other issues with 100+ animal herds isnt fps or anything like that, its the fact that it makes no sense

[barren zephyr]

YOURE WILDIN

[tawny juniper]

not rn

[hybrid matrix]

no area on the map has enough food to support over 100 herbivores in one spot

[swift dew]

i think he meant ai but still

[tawny juniper]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/423939730544132096/827064084344078347

@barren zephyr

You can see what he was talking about here

[hybrid matrix]

ik wut they meant
im saying that nowhere on Isla Spiro or Isla Spero is there an area with enough food to support such a large herd

[barren zephyr]

Oh god

[tawny juniper]

Not to mention, would you even be able to hunt them

[barren zephyr]

Oh hell no

[tawny juniper]

or kill them

[hybrid matrix]

no u wouldnt

[tawny juniper]

unless there were older or younger ones

Literally not

even dryos

Would swarm you and kill you

[icy lion]

id imagine ai would get some sort of retaliation behavior

[hybrid matrix]

even the smallest animals couldnt be supported in such large numbers

[icy lion]

so imagine trying to attack a herd and having 100 animals swarm you

ai herds can definitely work but not at that size

[hybrid matrix]

over 100 hypsis couldnt be able to support themselves on the islands

[tawny juniper]

Then say your a rex and you kill half the dryos, those bodies are still going to lag the game except now, they have the fly effect and ragdoll mechanics

[hybrid matrix]

it doesnt matter how large the animal is, there still wont be enough food

[tawny juniper]

by fly effect I mean the flies that are around dead bodies

[icy lion]

then you have the corpse timers all running

[swift dew]

this and how would it even be "immersive" as he was claiming

[icy lion]

which may become much more complex with the gore update

then you have the corpse timers all running

[hybrid matrix]

there are actual fly textures and not just buzzing?

[hybrid matrix]

that was my counter to it being immersive

[tawny juniper]

at least in legacy yes

I believe so

[hybrid matrix]

oh the flies arent in yet

[turbid mauve]

establish herd mentality found within a vast majority of herbivores found in the africa. Take buffalo for instance, they run they see lions, but they sometimes the herd does defend the pal that's been caught out. So it's gonna be very tricky, but that's what I love about it, the thrill, the challenge, the evrything muahaha.

[tawny juniper]

No

Don't compare real life to this game

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but u dont find over 100 buffalo chillin together

[tawny juniper]

real life doesn't have to account for lag

I'm not even reading that because its completely irrelevant

[hybrid matrix]

20-30 is the best you'll get

[swift dew]

you wouldn't even need a counter, its just plain stupid to see 100 herbivores sitting here on some 15x15 km island

[turbid mauve]

you don't tell me what to do when im making analogies omg stop talking me ur like one of those dudes who just stomp on other peoples ideas because u dont have anything going for you. like be a bit more compassionate

[hybrid matrix]

also africa is a continent

[tawny juniper]

@turbid mauve

If we could wrap this up within the next 10 minutes that would be great

because easter festivities

and everyone keeps bringing up the same points

[hybrid matrix]

and it cant even support 100+ buffalo

[tawny juniper]

Idk how you think this would work

[hasty dagger]

Do I want to get involved in this?

[hybrid matrix]

eh
depends

[tawny juniper]

no

I've been here for an hour

over the exact sae points

[turbid mauve]

You don't get to tell me what to suggest or not suggest, so, when I'm making analogies to rationalize my idea please stop and think to yourself instead of just stomping on other people's ideas, be a bit more compassionate. Thanks.

[keen vapor]

As cool as is would be to have real life like herds in the isle, there are so many drawbacks and challenges with adding it.

Its not worth the time

[hasty dagger]

[tawny juniper]

Think about how it would work before suggesting. Don't just clog the suggestions channel because you have the imagination of a child. so when I'm trying to rationilize why the suggestion wouldn't work please use your brain and think about it. Thanks

[hybrid matrix]

its not life-like herds
nowhere on planet earth could a herd of over 100 animals be supported

[barren zephyr]

Not really, troll suggest troll idea and people argue about it

[turbid mauve]

Can you stop with the insults?

[keen vapor]

Uh there are several herds over 1000 animals irl

[barren zephyr]

Have fun running the game at 2 fps

[keen vapor]

Its a good idea of a suggestion but it just wont work..

[turbid mauve]

That isn't gonna make you any better.

[tawny juniper]

and real life analigies aren't going to relate to your suggestion for a game.

[hasty dagger]

For migrations, constantly in motion with the range of entire countries.

[hybrid matrix]

yeah
not in one area

[tawny juniper]

well gtg

[keen vapor]

Who said one area?

[tawny juniper]

good luck dealing with this troll

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-ragememe-rageface-trolling-gif-4929853

[keen vapor]

dam allright no need to be rude

[barren zephyr]

The optimal solution is to just ignore him, not sure why people engage with class lol.

[turbid mauve]

"Please your brain and think about it," like what the heck, guess I'll go cry now. The reason I'm making analogies with life in the first place is to get an idea I can piggy back from.

[hybrid matrix]

class did

dio since ur here
i think u made the growth times too long in ur suggestion

[turbid mauve]

Sorry, that insult hit me different.

[keen vapor]

mabye large ai herds could be a neat attition in the far future of the isle after release or something

But 100.. thats just overkill

[hybrid matrix]

yeah they would
but not 100s of animals

[hasty dagger]

30 at max and even then

[turbid mauve]

This brain insult really hit differently.

[low canopy]

large ai herds should never be a thing, unless bodies are low performance to upkeep in future. Why? Because people would go out of their way to butcher this herd for funsies, not for food

[keen vapor]

just ignore him class

[swift dew]

all we would get with large ai herds is a bunch of animals stuck because of collision, I hate to break it to you but this undistinguishable ai is not going to happen

[hasty dagger]

Center in evrima is nauseating sometimes from the body lag

[turbid mauve]

Didn't you say you could see 100 ai herds doing okay?

[keen vapor]

I mean if this was to ever get added it would take a lot of work but it would be a cool sight nonetheless

[swift dew]

i never said anything about that

[keen vapor]

I would concider 10-15 ais in a herd large

[low canopy]

it would be, just listing why I think its a bad idea

[barren zephyr]

really? What should I change them to?

[keen vapor]

That gamemode has a lot of potential but long growth will scare away 99% of players

[last widget]

not even... maybe like the lowest is 4 and thats for like stego and below..

[barren zephyr]

hmmm Maybe just a 1 hour increase?

[turbid mauve]

Not sure why you dislike my ideas being that were both herbivorous allies.

[last widget]

and thats for like speaking of herding dinos...

[hybrid matrix]

yeah thats good

[keen vapor]

why increase growth i dont get it? Growing right now is booring enough

[hybrid matrix]

30 max for smthn like oro

[hybrid matrix]

wait not i thought it said decrease

[last widget]

i dont agree, i understand where you come from for like 14h for apexs but that would well like they said chase off your players, you mentioned real life.. but even then this is a video game where people want to come be a dino and if someone wants to be a rex it shouldnt take almost 24h just for them to enjoy adult hood.

[low canopy]

i'm a herb main and i hate the idea of ai herds lol, since then none would be hunting me, and thats fun

[turbid mauve]

Did I just expose myself?

😆

[keen vapor]

AI should be like an alternative for player interraction bit never a replacement

[turbid mauve]

Ai will be interactive what is you talking about. You could make a documentary and stuff

[last widget]

7 to 8 hours the max.. for like apexs... just cuz thats a very long time even if ya do play sessions.. so you do have to have skill to get to adult hood not to mention survive and not be clapped lol.

[barren zephyr]

I meant just increase the growth times by 1 hour

Basically teno who takes 2 hours to grow, would take 3 in the hardcore mode.

[keen vapor]

7 hours is absolute max for me

but just why extend the growing period? Growing is the most booring aspect of this game rn and adding one hour wont change much

[last widget]

well thats the thing there isnt hardcore mode, i mean i can see where you're going but def should add progression back for "hardcore mode" but they def should rework progression before adding back in.

[keen vapor]

Have you guys seen my idea for the new progression?

[last widget]

but for "surviva" based purposes i feel they should keep it like legacy.. 7 to 8 for apex and even longer if you get nested.

[barren zephyr]

Eh, I didn't really like progression

[keen vapor]

Wish something like that could be added

We really need permanent progression in the game

[last widget]

well thats why it needs re work i loved it.. cuz i was hardcore playing that before survival lol. not to mention it was hardcore AF

[hybrid matrix]

yeah thats good

[keen vapor]

Progression is generally goodd but the prev one was really lazily made and booring

[hybrid matrix]

but rn u have teno as 7 hrs

[last widget]

^

[barren zephyr]

Well i'm going off the logic that the devs will make growing fun eventually when diets/perks/sparing is added, so longer growths would make the game a bit harder while also not negatively effecting the gameplay experience

[last widget]

but again we are talking about 2016 isle..

[barren zephyr]

I added a new option for a simple 1 hour increase

[last widget]

yeah and i can see a future increase so people actually are almost forced to engage with diets.

[keen vapor]

When diets are added i suspect that growing in general will take longer as you have to constantly eat the best food to get the most optimal growth which will be the current growth rn

[hybrid matrix]

is 2 the 1 hr increase on base growths?

[barren zephyr]

Didn't they say diets would make growth shorter if you play well?

[keen vapor]

Idk

[last widget]

well not even the best foods you know? but if you do eat the best diet you can then yes get a massive boost..

[keen vapor]

kinda hope not tbh

[barren zephyr]

Pretty sure thats how its going to work

[keen vapor]

I want more juvi and sub interraction. I dont wana be forced to grow to full adult so i can compeat..

[last widget]

yes it is, if you eat a good solid diet you get a grow boost.. so yeah i can see a growth timer being increased but probs not by much... and if you neglect your dino and not eat that diet you grow way slower.

[keen vapor]

Growing should be hard and achomplishing. Not a requirement to fight

[barren zephyr]

[hybrid matrix]

dio is 2️⃣ the 3 hr growth time for teno?

[last widget]

well juvi and subs.. will be more engaging once diets but rn evrima is like legacy EXCEPT WAY BETTER, but what i mean is you eat die drink and grow lmao

oh and kill

[keen vapor]

Yeah update 3 will make evrima surpass legeacy in my eyes

[last widget]

but i mean if you think about it growing a herbivore is way easier then carnivore... like carnivore is supposed to compete with other carnis even herbs... like you have to fight for food either kill it... or fight to death if ya wanna keep living.

[barren zephyr]

yep

[last widget]

herbs well you just sit like on the edge of the map with bushes and just play hide n seek ..

[hybrid matrix]

k

[keen vapor]

I remember when update 2 came out i grew a raptor. It was so satisfying because growing it was hard and i had a clear advantage over the majority of players.

[last widget]

well welcome to update 3; ) which is literally around the corner

and it doesnt stop there.

[keen vapor]

Ima hunt pts with my utah

first thing i do

[last widget]

yeah which i feel utah mains will def be happy about..

[keen vapor]

Fuck playing the new dinos i gotta kill em first

[hybrid matrix]

ima be a ptera first
just for the flying

[last widget]

gl with deino... only way you kill a deino is if its a bad deino player./

[hybrid matrix]

or a baby

[last widget]

even then thats a trash deino player..

[keen vapor]

Eh if a deino is far from water you could kill it with a pack

[hybrid matrix]

if thats the case then im worried for evrima's future

[barren zephyr]

nah

Deino can attack behind it

[keen vapor]

I saw amarok try kill people on land with deino and he got destroyed by tenos lol

[last widget]

your goal as a baby deino is literally is to get to your safe zone, aka the water.. i can see ya getting snatched up trying to get to water but once you're in it... yeah.. if you die by a utah you deserve death.

[hybrid matrix]

utahs shouldnt be able to take down a deino unless its a rlly bad player

[barren zephyr]

That isn't current deino, it was a old version

[hybrid matrix]

like sea turtles

[keen vapor]

If its on land i feel like they should

[barren zephyr]

nope

[last widget]

exactlyyy

[barren zephyr]

500kg raptors should beat a 8ton crocodile

[keen vapor]

Its not gona be 8 tonnes though no way

[hybrid matrix]

really
a bunch of big chickens vs an 8 ton crocodile

[barren zephyr]

it is

[last widget]

yeah i man.. you could fight a deino on land .... but if a deino is fighting utahs or stego or anything on land and not doing what its supposed to.. then its a bad deino player.

[keen vapor]

Where did you find out?

[barren zephyr]

the stream

[hybrid matrix]

exactly

[last widget]

you gotta understand deino isnt a BRAWLER, its like rex has the bite force has the power and its meant to be an ambusher..

[keen vapor]

Isnt it subject to change though?

[barren zephyr]

I mean, the stream was only like 3 days ago

[last widget]

i bet.. you play like a sweaty ambush deino you will DESTROY people

[hybrid matrix]

deino being 8 tons? nah its fair

[keen vapor]

Hmm

[last widget]

yeah deino is 8 tons.. well in the stream it was.

not to mention bby deino FAST AF

[keen vapor]

Idk about that tbh. Like it should be strong ofc but it should be possible to hunt if you know what you are doing and its on land

[last widget]

like i mean you chasing it and it hits the thick trees and bushes just give up lol

[barren zephyr]

Not really, its a 8 ton croc.

[hybrid matrix]

yeah definitely but not if ur a utahraptor

[keen vapor]

Idc about realism

[barren zephyr]

Just because its on land doesn't mean it gets a sudden nerf to its stats

That makes no sense

[low canopy]

balance>realism

[keen vapor]

yes

[hybrid matrix]

a bunch of skilled carnos fighting an unskilled deino on land should definitely be in favor of the carnos

[barren zephyr]

Nah

Deino should beat a pack of carnos to

[last widget]

even then... that doesnt 100% give you an advantage.. deino literally can whip a 360 and chomp your face.

[keen vapor]

not stats but viability in combat. Thing isnt very manueverable on land

[last widget]

like literally whip a 360..

[barren zephyr]

It can do a 360 bite

[last widget]

^

[steady lintel]

If that’s what we consider balance there’s no reason for different growth times

[barren zephyr]

Good luck wearing the deino down when you have to risk getting 1 shot every time you go in for a hit

[steady lintel]

Or difficulty in dino upkeep

[barren zephyr]

what

[last widget]

lol exactly

[keen vapor]

Yeah and it burns through stam to do a 180 jump. If you are good you can bait them out

[barren zephyr]

source?

[keen vapor]

Im gona try hunt one and you guys wont stop me lol

I wont give up

Never

[barren zephyr]

And you're going to fail and lose your carno you spent 2 hours growing

[last widget]

mmm yeh i doubt that.. it doesnt cost stam to turn around and bite you.. like i said... you can try but GL... you hurt it or get it close it will run away.

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[steady lintel]

Wym what

[barren zephyr]

Explain your point

[last widget]

then go into the depths and go far away clot the bleed and heal.

like if you seriously manage to merk a deino as utahs its trash.

all i can say

[hybrid matrix]

@turbid mauve im not sure wut ur suggestion is about
its worded differently from what im used to

[keen vapor]

I mean we havent played the deino yet so noone can really say that

[barren zephyr]

So why did you act like it was confirmed lol

[hybrid matrix]

including you

[keen vapor]

for all that we know it utahs could hunt it

Or mabye not

[barren zephyr]

@turbid mauve yeah explain your suggestion, it made no sense lol

[last widget]

mmmm the streams prove otherwise tbh... it shows a lot of what the deino can already do.. but IG things can change.

[keen vapor]

Noone knows

[barren zephyr]

going off of the stream clips and its stats, utah gets 1 shot

[last widget]

yeah no matter what utah will be a 1shot to deino no ifs or buts.

[hybrid matrix]

if utah didnt get 1 shot then i'd be worried

[last widget]

that aint changing

[keen vapor]

I saw amarok getting killed by utahs and tenos on stream. I also noted that a deino body or tail hit to an utah wont 1 shot it

[steady lintel]

Well I’m not 100% following the argument but it sounds like people think balance means Utah’s can consistently kill a deino Bc it’s on land or something. And consider that balanced. If the balancing in the game means that in a match up a fight can go either way or it’s generally possible to kill anything with any type of animal there’s no reason there should be an apex title and long and painful growth compared to a small fast growing dino that is an equal math

[last widget]

yeah but look how he was playing lmao

[hybrid matrix]

u mean by multiple tenos and utahs at once?

[steady lintel]

Basically I’m saying a Utah killing a deino is not balance

[last widget]

he wasnt doing anything besides fighting with it as a brawler.. its not a brawling dino.

its an ambush dino

[steady lintel]

Without completely ignoring everything apex stands for

[last widget]

not to mention he was on land.

[barren zephyr]

agreed

[hybrid matrix]

its not a dino at all
but for game logic it is

[keen vapor]

Yeah ofc i dont think a singlle utah should be able to kill one unless you are godlike good

[last widget]

well yeah i mean in game it is but ye

[barren zephyr]

Upinsky, amarok was playing a OLD version of deino, not the current version, so dont base deinos stats off of that

[low canopy]

i think the deino used on that stream was live build, which means like non updated deino from last year

[hybrid matrix]

a single utah shouldnt kill a deino no matter fucking wut
like WHAT??? you think a UTAHRAPTOR, smthn that weighs 700 Kg could take on a DEINO-FUCKING-SUCHUS??

[barren zephyr]

utah is 500 kg lol

[hybrid matrix]

my point still stands

[last widget]

not even a pack of utahs lmao. like... if a deino comes to land to try and brawl 6 utahs.. then that deino is just idk mental or wants to die.. but again it can 360 chomp and 1 shot utah. but who knows.. i aint playing it like a brawler ill be a sweaty ambush deino.. like its meant to be played. no need for me to leave waters unless im searching for new water systems

[keen vapor]

It shouldnt be physicly impossible. Im talkin next leve skill right here, like utahs killing stego 1 on 1 in evrima rn

[hybrid matrix]

ok
utahs shouldnt be able to kill stegos in a 1v1 either

[barren zephyr]

But yeah, there's no point in saying stuff like "uh if the utah is GODLIKE and the deino is bad" because who cares? If you aren't basing balance off if the players are equal skill, then why are you even saying anything?

Just my opinion

[low canopy]

i'm sure people find a way to kill deino 1v1

[last widget]

yeah no lmao

[low canopy]

tell that to stego mains now 🙂

[hybrid matrix]

if they can then i weep for this game and its future

[barren zephyr]

Its basically a filler argument to me

[last widget]

a stego vs deino on land stego wins punch packet said this already but a utah a single one vs deino yeah no..

[keen vapor]

I dont care about realism. a pack of utahs should be capable of hunting any dino if they know what they are doing and if they are good. Realism should never get in the way of good gameplay or balance

[low canopy]

in general, once the patch hits just go to one of those instant growth servers to practise new match ups yourself

[last widget]

deino will either get fucked up and then just flee into the safety of water.

[barren zephyr]

thing is your suggesting shit balance no offense

[hybrid matrix]

saying that a skilled raptor should win against a deino is literally advocating for the same shitty balance that legacy had where utahs could kill rexes

[keen vapor]

I need to fix my typos smh

[barren zephyr]

I as a 500 kg raptor should take on 5 t.rexes all at once

[keen vapor]

How is 6 utahs beeing able to kill a single deino ON LAND shit balance??

[hybrid matrix]

its shit balance in the same way 6 utahs taking on a single rex was in legacy

[keen vapor]

Sounds like a fun challenge to me

[barren zephyr]

Because its 6 raptors, small tier pack hunters. Biggest thing a utah pack should be able to take out is a maia or para

if you want to take down a deino in a highly skilled pack, play allo.

[turbid mauve]

What are you confused about, specifically, like what part?

[last widget]

well i play the ZOO instant growth server well its hourly grows but they wont be doing grows when update 3 comes out... but idk.. all i can you get clapped on land as deino you deserved to die cuz deino isnt a brawler its like a rex it has power slow.. but an ambusher.. if you dont play deino like its meant to then yeeeeeeaaaa..... GL.

[hybrid matrix]

technically those are bigger than a deino but they arent as strong

[barren zephyr]

Because if we want to go the "utah is the messiah" route, then its just the best dinosaur while the rest are fodder

[keen vapor]

Whyyyy, Why should there be a limit? Thats just booring

[hybrid matrix]

all of it
its strangely worded

[turbid mauve]

Its grammatically correct.

[hybrid matrix]

thats like saying that enough raptors can kill a brachi

[low canopy]

lol, why wont they do grows?

[barren zephyr]

Because balance is more important then wanting to power trip with your utah pack

[last widget]

cuz update 3 is brand new when it drops and they dont want people spamming the new shit and getting grows...

[low canopy]

really tempted to host a server myself lol, what a pile of garbage

[hybrid matrix]

not grammatically wrong, just strangely constructed
could you explain the details more in depth?

[barren zephyr]

We cant just have utah be the messiah of the game, thats awful balance.

[keen vapor]

How is it balanced when utahs physicly cant take on large apexes. I mean, they are littearly built for taking on larger prey.

[barren zephyr]

also explain them in English class

[last widget]

so it will still be a no rule server but they will be waiting awhile to do grows.. so everyone can actually play the creatures and not be brain dead kids and getting grows and well yea being cancer.

[last widget]

.

[barren zephyr]

Because then utah is the best dinosaur in the game, every dinosaur has to have a limit to what it can fight

[hybrid matrix]

because a 500 Kg raptor shouldnt be able to waste 8 hours of someone elses life

[barren zephyr]

Play allo if you have a team of highly skilled players and want to hunt big prey like deino

[keen vapor]

Why, just why? How is that fun in any way. That is just a lazy way of balancing things

[safe galleon]

can't understand it either, class

[last widget]

exactly, you cant have shitty utah be an apex at its tier.. .like that mf is cancer already lol. so it to be able to take a deino solo or even with a pack would ruin the "apex feel" for stego n deino..

[barren zephyr]

Not really, it's how every sane person balances things..........

Sure it isn't "fun" for you, but to the player that your 500kg raptor is beating, it isnt very fun.

[hybrid matrix]

the reason why is someone who spent 90 minutes growing a raptor shouldnt be able to kill someone who spent 6-7 hours growing an apex

[last widget]

agreed

[last widget]

^

[low canopy]

there should be no limit on what you can fight as long as you have numbers, why? Because why would you play as utah in this example when the game tells you "no, regardless of your skill or numbers you cant touch x. go grow something better"

[hybrid matrix]

i guarantee that this guy never lost a rex to a raptor that was good at tailriding

[icy lion]

theres never going to be any sort of "check" to artificially prevent something from killing something else. no "rex can't get killed by damage caused by a utah, whoopsie!" all we can do is our best to balance it so dinos in unfavorable or stupid fights get shitstomped

[hybrid matrix]

i mean
neither have i but ive gotten close

like

4th screen with a ton of bleed close

[barren zephyr]

You shouldnt base balance off of "if you have a HUGE number" because what's the point? We have official pack limits, base balance off of those.

[turbid mauve]

Sure, I'd sure give it a twirl. Um, basically dinosaurs that are one of the first to spawn, spawn in as "eve" dinosaurs who are female adults who have a clutch of eggs already established where other players clicking on that dinosaur will then click and spawn in as a baby and have to depend solely on the mother for its survival until it reaches the maturity of course to fend for themselves or remain within the herd or pack.

[barren zephyr]

Like of course a group of 50 utahs have a chance against deino, we know that.

[keen vapor]

So.? I mean if u got 6 utahs up against a deino on land it should be a 50/50 fight. Either the deino lives and kills off all the 6 utahs or the utahs win with probably a lot of casualities. Im not saying that utah packs should be able to just kill anything with ease, I hope you arent misunderstanding my pov

[last widget]

exactly, like great lord said... why would someone grow something for 8h that claims to be "apex" then get shit on by a 90 min utah grow lol.

[barren zephyr]

So utah is the messiah of the game? Seems fair

[low canopy]

balance is based on 1v1 anyways, it wont take numbers into consideration right

[keen vapor]

What? Did u read through what i said?

[barren zephyr]

As a highly skilled utahraptor, I should be able to fight a cama in a pack.

[last widget]

nah we get ya, just its unlikely you will have a situation with a 6 pack of them unless you are on like those garbage servers like nycta etc.

[barren zephyr]

See how silly that sounds?

[keen vapor]

yeah

[last widget]

for me im a hardcore official survival player.

[barren zephyr]

[keen vapor]

you shouød

should-

[last widget]

you will never ever have that situation and if ya do its rare af

[low canopy]

"fight", which means atleast try to

[barren zephyr]

What's the point of growing things other then utah at that point?

Now you just have legacy all over again

Were people only play a handful of "optimal" dinos because they just shit all over the rest of the roster

[keen vapor]

Dude read through what i said and think about it thourghly. I think you are missunderstanding me a lot.

[last widget]

exactly oh look im a stupid utah... i can ass ride a trex yippie so much skill.

[low canopy]

making dinos immune to dmg from certain animals sounds like noob check to me and not a survival game its supposed to be, getting better should go for everyone

[barren zephyr]

Why spend 7 hours growing giga when you can spend 90 minutes growing utah and beat the same things as one

[barren zephyr]

You want a utah pack to beat a 18 ton sauropod

[keen vapor]

You guys really arent understanding my points

[turbid mauve]

Tell ankylosaurus, it'd break ur ankles.

[last widget]

lmao no, noob check lord... man if you truly think its ok lets say a troodon with venom to clap a trex that sounds retarded... or even a utah ass riding a trex... and winning thats retarded.. thats for scrubs..

[barren zephyr]

No ones saying that, we're just saying that a utah pack shouldnt have a 50/50 against a deino

A allo pack should

[low canopy]

as long as its not untouchable

[last widget]

^

[barren zephyr]

People act like utah is some special dinosaur when its really just another dino with its own niche

[last widget]

i mean yeah... things shouldnt be like the strongest ever ... like each dino needs to have their counters.. deino can get dunked on by stego on land 1v1 ... but.. even then deino is meant to stay in the waters patrol and wait and grab pull in and then finish.

[last widget]

i mean yeah... things shouldnt be like the strongest ever ... like each dino needs to have their counters.. deino can get dunked on by stego on land 1v1 ... but.. even then deino is meant to stay in the waters patrol and wait and grab pull in and then finish.

[turbid mauve]

Utahraptor is a special dinosaur because of its unique niche.

[turbid mauve]

[barren zephyr]

A small pack hunter that can hunt big prey, like maia and sometimes even a para.

Not some god dinosaur that can take on camas

[last widget]

ehhh.. no bud it isnt.... like..... it literally is just another dino that has a special ability.. it can pounce lmao. except its fast can bite and pounce.

deino just another dino thats apex and can lunge.

[turbid mauve]

Four Utahraptor pounces can take on a small sauropod. It has nothing to defend itself with.

[last widget]

like the fact people that are like oh utah needs to be able to fuck every dino including apexs are just wack in the head lmao

[turbid mauve]

Four Utahraptor pounces can take on a small sauropod. It has nothing to defend itself with.

[last widget]

utahs aint shit except a low tier dino that tends to be pretty cancer... yeah sure its decent but it shouldnt be able to destroy everything.

[barren zephyr]

No need to insult them, but I agree.

[barren zephyr]

[last widget]

did i insult them? my bad if i did i was just saying like yk.

[turbid mauve]

Hyenas kill lone elder buffalos by biting it where it hurts. Utahraptor kills lone small sauropods by pouncing it and mauling it to death.

[last widget]

just utah mains tend to ride tf out of utah and being like "utah needs to be able to kill everythingg" like no it doesnt.. its like 90 mins to grow lol.

[barren zephyr]

I blame legacy for the stigma that utah is some highly skill based dinosaur that should be able to kill t.rexes

Don't take classes bait lol

[last widget]

eh yeah idk ..you never see hyenas alone when taking a prey item that big..

[last widget]

yeah i blame legacy also.. but people tend to deep throat dog water legacy... when legacy was broken.

[turbid mauve]

Old bulls tend to wander and hyenas know how to bring the beast down by biting its private areas.

[keen vapor]

Let me go back to the previous point i made:

If you got 6 fairly utahs in a pack. (6 players, 9 hours of total growth)
And they go up against a single deinosuchus. (1 player, 5-6 hours of growth likely)
The odds of either party winning should be around 50/50 depending on how good each players of the parties is at the game.
If the deino is good it should be able to win and kill all 6 utahs.
If the utahs are better then they should be able to take down the deino with some casualties.
Im not saying that you can gather up a bunch of utahs and kill anything with ease, what im saying is that if you got a lot of utahs in a pack, they should stand a chance of killing large prey even though it isnt vert «realistic».

Hope that clears things up

[turbid mauve]

Same with utahraptors, they pounce and cause immense bleed loss.

[barren zephyr]

still dumb

[low canopy]

i wasnt referring to utahs particularly, just dinos in general. i dislike idea of having dino that is untouchable to majority of roster

[last widget]

well yeah but look if you claim elders... even then this is a video game... elders in this game will be stronger and overtime just.. die..

[barren zephyr]

Why does the "gROwTh iN tOtAl" matter?

It's a 500kg utahraptor

[keen vapor]

Dude did you even read through it..?

[barren zephyr]

yeah

[keen vapor]

in like 3 seconds?

cmon dude..

[barren zephyr]

I'm a fast reader

[last widget]

i understand what ya said sky.. i think we both do but even 50/50 chance on a deino yeah.. no.. idk yeah sure try but most likely all of the utahs will die.

[turbid mauve]

You are wrong. Elders will continue existing.

[hybrid matrix]

im back
i had to feed my cats

[keen vapor]

You just read the first top sentences and responded.. please just read through it all and think about it for a sec

[barren zephyr]

I did, I dont agree with it

[last widget]

ok wait a min.. they said elders have a death clock... they said either go through the perk tree to become "hypo" or elder then overtime die.. hmm

[barren zephyr]

500kg utah taking on a brachi

[barren zephyr]

like huh?

[keen vapor]

Okay what part do you disagree with?

and why

[barren zephyr]

Utah being able to kill anything in a pack

Because its dumb and unbalanced

[last widget]

^

[keen vapor]

Capable

[barren zephyr]

Other dinosaurs exist, you cant just make utah a god

[barren zephyr]

It shouldnt be

Allo exist for a reason

[last widget]

it ruins the point of growing a 7 hour grow "apex" when utah would be like secret apex if you got a sweaty clan of fortnite kids in a pack .

[barren zephyr]

[last widget]

thats the issue in my book

[keen vapor]

So you want apexes to just be.. invulnerable from utah bites and pounces then? Is that really what you want?

[barren zephyr]

No, I want so realistically a utah pack wont ever beat a rex.

[last widget]

yeah pretty much maybe not pounces but... like yeah sorry utah shouldnt be able to jump onto a spinos back or even trexs.

[barren zephyr]

like if the rex isnt afk, it wont lose to the utahs.

[keen vapor]

dont you see the problem with that though?

[hybrid matrix]

its like saying 6 ants should be able to take on a fully grown wolf spider

[last widget]

you would just get knocked off then 1 shotted.

[barren zephyr]

Explain

[hybrid matrix]

nope

[last widget]

utahs should not be able to take apexs on like legacy.. thats retarded.

like no..

idc if its in a pack of 20

[barren zephyr]

No need for that language

but I agree

[last widget]

apexs like rex spino giga should be a god to low tier shit...

[keen vapor]

Take legeacy rex for example. That thing can be killed by skilled utahs and lots of other dinos and tell me. Is that thing underpowered?

[barren zephyr]

yes

[turbid mauve]

Oh, god. Please just think outside the box, utahraptor needs its pack to take down large herbivorous prey. Please don't make a fuss about their abilities because they are astonishing, quite frankly put. Take away Utah-raptors remarkable ability, people will not play it, so, in that sense yes utahraptor packs can take down even the largest of solidarity animals like the famous tyrannosaurus rex.

[hybrid matrix]

no
its just, legacy utahs are very OVER powered

[last widget]

yous houldnt be a utah in a apack and be like "lets go fuck that giga" like no you should run or get destroyed.

[barren zephyr]

It's the worst apex aside from trike

[keen vapor]

damn first time i herd that. So you want to give it a buff?

[icy lion]

there shouldnt be a hard check to prevent it, but it should be virtually impossible to kill a rex as, idk, ~5 utahs

[barren zephyr]

I mean, it wasn't bad.

[last widget]

no.. sorry i dont agree that ruins apex.. sure if you got super god tier utah player syeah maybe but no.

[barren zephyr]

But utah killing it is stupid

[last widget]

like hey at that point fuck growing for 8 hours let me just grow a dino for 90 mins and be able to clap apexs.

[hybrid matrix]

we're not saying utahraptors shouldnt kill larger animals
we're just saying that there's a limit until it looks stupid

[barren zephyr]

Yep

[last widget]

ehh yeah no..

[hybrid matrix]

so legacy?

sky, ur advocating for legacy style balance

[barren zephyr]

what? Hes agreeing with you lol

[hybrid matrix]

in EVRIMA

[last widget]

like if ya gonna try it better be a full pack of sweaty fornite kids that are god tier.. and better be a bad apex player.

yeah sure

[keen vapor]

In my eyes legeacy rex is insanely OP. A good rex player can kill any dinosaur in the game and defend itself from large packs. Because of how good it is 50% OF ALL PLAYERS are rexes. Do you see the problem with that?

[last widget]

but either then that it ruins the point of waiting and growing for 8 hours for a trex

[barren zephyr]

Stop trying to change the topic.

[low canopy]

i agree with sky. rex is far from weak in legacy, a good player is an actual monster with it, but legacy wont matter

[hybrid matrix]

yeah
i do see the problem with that
ur using legacy balance to justify legacy balance

[turbid mauve]

Then you are removing utahraptors from the roaster, I'm assuming? Cause if you don't allow utahraptor packs to pounce on large animals and take them that don't necessarily have a myriad of spikes or an armored back, it will shred even the largest of predators if the famous tyrannosaurs rex does not have mate alongside it.

[barren zephyr]

Also rex is only good at hunting 2 things, trike and giga, and even then giga is better at hunting trike.

[last widget]

eh no rex was just broken on legacy with a broken hit box.. not to mention the fact you could ass ride a trex on legacy was trash also.

[keen vapor]

How about an answer?

[barren zephyr]

To something that isn't relevant? How about no

[last widget]

like a trex being "op" in my book is just.. like not logic... cuz trex is trex it should literally destroy everything.. if ya know what you're doing.

[barren zephyr]

That isn't good balance

[icy lion]

rex has so many players in legacy partially because its just about as easy to grow as any other carnivore, that will hopefully change in the future with diets

[last widget]

if fighting another apex that changes..

but either then that.. its a trex what do you expect..

[barren zephyr]

Rex being OP is a myth

Giga is the real OP apex

[last widget]

it to be dunke don by utahs?

[keen vapor]

Yknow im kinda done here, i wish i could take this to a vc though so i could get my thoughts out more easily, but honestly, i dont feel like you guys are really listening..

[hybrid matrix]

DUDE
we're saying utahraptor shouldnt be able to render hours of growing an apex a waste, not that it shouldnt be able to fight anything bigger than it

[hybrid matrix]

we're not listening??

[barren zephyr]

I'm listening, I just dont agree.

[last widget]

yeah we understand ya.. like i dont think apex in evrima should just be impossible but it shouldnt come close to even over 30% chance of winning.

[keen vapor]

yeah no you guys dont get my points at all

[barren zephyr]

Pretty sure we do

[last widget]

im down to jump in vc but let me get my noodles lol