general-feedback-discussion

[cunning elk]

There’s no way you grow that many Dino’s in a day and never hit prime

U doing something wrong

[proven zinc]

The game doesnt show you 4 patrol zones and 2 migration zones in the span of 20% to 75% for a troodon or omniraptor

[steady turtle]

Prime is still weaker than adult

I agree 100% elder system sucks it pushes me away from this game and each big update I always come back but now players are punished for playing more, not many games are like that

[cunning elk]

Personally to me it sounds like u don’t have enough time to reach the requirements. So my best advice to u is try playing a Dino that takes forever to grow so u give yourself more time to reach the requirements

[proven zinc]

half the time you're growing as a smaller dinosaur your starving trying to keep up with the growth changing your stomach % every minute

[cunning elk]

And make sure u hit the sanctuary

[proven zinc]

so you need to eat

[steady turtle]

ok and so what if you do reach requirements? You are still weaker than an adult

[proven zinc]

Thats not the solution though

[steady turtle]

And then you have to pray you don’t see an adult as you regrow again after entomb

[proven zinc]

i have to play a bigger dinosaur to deal with this garbage mechanic?

[cunning elk]

I mean it sounds like u need the extra time because you don’t know what you’re doing

[proven zinc]

why am i playing a 2 shotable dinosaur at adult HP to then self kill it after 40 minutes to grind again regardless of if i hit prime or not

[steady turtle]

The adult phase is the goal, its what people play to achieve so they can actually enjoy the time spent growing and now that aspect is removed so its 100% about growing, not playing as the dino you grew

[cunning elk]

I mean you think troodon is. Gunna 1v1 or Rex or something

[proven zinc]

I woud like my troodon to have at least 40km run speed for more than 10 minutes in adult hood?

[cunning elk]

For what so u could play a running simulator?

Go outside and jog lmao

[proven zinc]

If its essentially unachievable for a small dinosaur to get prime elder why is it being punished

Movement speed is the most important thing in almost any game? What are you on about

[steady turtle]

this is the kind of argument someone makes when they aren’t capable of having a real discussion

[proven zinc]

so im a troodon who can get 1shot and should also have 30km movement speed at 90% growth

yea man makes sense good balance

[cunning elk]

Idk man 3 Dino’s full grown in 1 day & none of them hit prime? Doesn’t sound like you know what you’re doing to me or your time management is bad

[proven zinc]

go hit prime on a troodon right now

without a map

[steady turtle]

why does it matter how you grow? If you are spending the time growing

[cunning elk]

I wouldn’t waist time of my life trying to grow a troodon

[steady turtle]

You keep food and water full

[proven zinc]

skilless excuse

apparently its easy to hit prime on any dinosaur

[steady turtle]

Exactly

done wasting my time on this fmj guy lmao like talking to a toddler

[cunning elk]

U can’t even hit prime talking bout 3 Dino’s in 1 day lmao

[proven zinc]

We gonna go in a loop of you just saying the same thing when it doesn

[cunning elk]

Plus troodon is boring

[steady turtle]

no one gives af about prime bc it’s weaker than adult, not sure why “prime” is your argument lmao

[steady turtle]

ya best to leave it alone he is dense

[proven zinc]

its not the fact that i cant hit prime or not either way the dinosaur has to be deleted

[cunning elk]

Hobbit you’re so desperate for my attention when Im not even talking to u

[proven zinc]

this guy is too busy wearing sunglasses indoors eating off a wooden board to comprehend what my point is

[steady turtle]

exactly, its like saying “should I wear a blue or red shirt when I jump in this volcano”

[cunning elk]

Deleted is crazy lmao

[proven zinc]

entombing

[cunning elk]

Ohh

U don’t have to entomb tho

[proven zinc]

ah yea ill just play with a stunted dinosaur

[cunning elk]

I mean it’s natural tho u get weaker as you age in real life do you not ?

Unless your name is LeBron James ofc

[proven zinc]

you gonna use the realism argument now?

[cunning elk]

No but I’m just saying

[proven zinc]

We are playing a dinosaur game that is suposedly going to have mutant humans that scale buildings

[cunning elk]

The point of the the elder system is so you don’t stay OP forever

[proven zinc]

Forever? Im playing a frail troodon as is, it wasnt OP to begin with

"Dont p[lay troodon"

[cunning elk]

But that’s your choice to play it ? Is it not ?

[proven zinc]

They have introduced a mechanic that gimps half the roster for 50% of its lifespan. If you think thats good game design you are a fool

[cunning elk]

I just think u suck tbh

[proven zinc]

yea man i suck at wanting to waste my time on a dinosaur rp game

[cunning elk]

I mean u grew 3 Dino’s in 1 day clearly u must love waisting your time on the toy

[proven zinc]

you dont respect yourself enough to actually be defending this.

yea a troodon a ptera and a omni i sure did take up idk 4 hours on a weekend playing a video game

[cunning elk]

I don’t think it’s perfect don’t get me wrong just don’t think it’s a deal breaker like you do

The only thing I would change is making the benefits of prime last longer

[lusty eagle]

(Already implemented)

[proven zinc]

You know any human game designer will say punishing a player for something that is out of their control is terrible

[cunning elk]

Word I haven’t played in a while I didn’t even know. Thanks for the comms tho

[proven zinc]

congratulations you grew your dinosaur, now enjoy it becoming weak

its not even like a decent curve. you start weak, you grow to a peak and instantly fall off again

[cunning elk]

You could make the same argument that leaving a full grown dinosaur with broken stats punishes the other players wanting a shot at growing themselves

If you’re that unhappy just don’t play the game

[proven zinc]

no because i control my dinosaur and if im attacked by someone its my fault

its in my control

sounds like you need external help for your lack of skill

[lusty eagle]

That's the nature of The Isle. You still get to enjoy your adult stats as you would normally until you hit 90%, which in turn will take a while depending on your dinosaur as you're stuck at 0% growth rate regardless of your diet past the point of 75%.

If you get Frail, that's a bummer. Carry over your mutations, which are now slightly buffed, onto your next life and try again. It's that simple.

[proven zinc]

Yea its an ongoing them in the isle to disrespect the players time whats another mechanic layered ontop of it

[cunning elk]

Lmaooo

Guys a professional yapper I tip it

[lusty eagle]

Although you're willingly spending that time when you know that the outcome is one or the other.
As long as YOU yourself as the player play your cards right, and actually play the game as intended instead of staying in one area and bush camping, you'll do just fine.

[proven zinc]

I bought the game knowing what direction it was going in. The elder system was a curve ball that in theory works. The execution like many things is haphazardly implemented.

[cunning elk]

Imagine complaining about the game saying it’s disrespectful to the players and making the system seem so trash just to grow 3 Dino’s in 1 day and still not hit prime 😭😭😭

U must like being disrespected

[proven zinc]

Mutliple mechanics in the Isle contradict eachother.

[lusty eagle]

That's a whole other conversation.

[cunning elk]

The system is fine it’s to ensure the game stays balanced.

[proven zinc]

Force the player to run to multiple points on the map to tick the checklist to not be punished for growing. But stamina consumption and regen is nerfed to hell. Your hunger is extreme. The perfect diet requirement means you need to interact with a dinosaur and kill it and hopefully get enough diet from its organs. But the map is huge so player density is non existent.

The elder system doesnt work with how the game is currently. So why punish people

[cunning elk]

Like imagine if Rex stayed w a bite force of 850 at 100%

Everyone would just keep getting slammed by that one Rex

[proven zinc]

Yea man introduce a problem and apply a fix that effects the whole roster. Real smart man

[lusty eagle]

Nobody's forcing you to as Prime isn't the end game. You'll still be weaker than your adult counterpart 90% and onwards regardless if you get Prime or not.
Prime is a little boost for you between 75-90% to have fun with. It doesn't give you any perks beyond that point.

Apart from a fourth mutation. But even then, that's minute compared to how people treat it.

[cunning elk]

How u even getting to that point of hunger or thirst ? U must be playing a different game than I am

[proven zinc]

The game since its inception has not had a ticking clock attached to your character that forces you to restart. The game has worked up to that point

[proven zinc]

Youre obviously playing rex which has insane stomach % from the get go until 50% growth

[lusty eagle]

It was always going to have a gameplay loop for Dinosaurs, which in turn makes your dinosaur of old age.

And not to mention, it isn't mandatory.

[proven zinc]

Entoming to prestige your character is a forced event now, its not a choice.

[lusty eagle]

How so?

[cunning elk]

He’s gunna say it’s forced cuz the stats are crap

That you’re heavily nerfed

So it’s unplayable

That his troodon isn’t fast enough

Am I missing anything Kirt?

[proven zinc]

Who in their right mind is going to play a dinosaur nerfed to drastic amounts voluntarily. Troodon goes from like 43km speed to 30km is insane

[cunning elk]

LMAOOOO

[gentle flint]

[lusty eagle]

Comes with getting old.

[cunning elk]

That’s what I said

[proven zinc]

What comes with getting old too

dying

[cunning elk]

“But it’s a video game”

[lusty eagle]

I'm failing to see your point here.

[proven zinc]

so just at 110% growth just make your dinosaur fold

its realistic

100% - 110% your dinosaur is catatonic, dementia hits, it gets cataraks the whole deal

[lusty eagle]

No different than any other way of dying. In any game by those means. You make progress, you die, except this one is voluntary.

[proven zinc]

what progress?

[cunning elk]

Lima with all due respect this kirtap guy is either a moron or a top tier rage baiter and personally I think he’s a rage baiter

[proven zinc]

passives to make your growing marginally easier the next time

[lusty eagle]

The little percantage bar as the bottom of the character status screen is a good start.

[mental cedar]

I'm on team moron

[cunning elk]

Prob a bit of both

[proven zinc]

Theres no point, you just accept the fact that you invest a couple hours into a survival game and the end result is an "optional" reset because you were successful. Reward your player with a punishment and throw couple % passives to water retention their way

[cunning elk]

The moment he said he grew 3 Dino’s in 1 day but apparently can’t stand this games mechanics doesn’t add up to me. It sounds like he can’t get enough of the game and is desperate to hit prime on his troodon. But he just can’t. The thrill of one day becoming a prime elder keeps calling his name and just can’t contain himself from hopping on the isle to try again

😭😭

[proven zinc]

Guy only plays Stego and Trike so he can RP walk from MZ to MZ without a care in the world.

[mental cedar]

My guy has invested over an hour, crying about having to invest time in a game

[proven zinc]

Am I right fmz

would rather that than be a dino gimp

[cunning elk]

He doing all this crying knowing he gunna grow another whopping 3 Dino’s in 1 day all whilst talking about “waisting time”

[proven zinc]

Nah i wont play for another 12 months until another half though out patch is dropped on christmas eve and see what new torture device has been invented

[cunning elk]

I’m sure bud 😂😂

[mental cedar]

12 months of hearing about it in here, I hope he has other games

[proven zinc]

have fun rp walking your dinosaurs around the ghost town of a map with your 2nd monitor pasting cords in a browser map to check if you hit the innactive patrol and migration zones

[cunning elk]

Frr 😭

[urban flax]

If only everyone who said "I'm gonna quit this game" actually did

[proven zinc]

maybe youll find the new patches hotspot where players all agree to actually hang around so theres something to do. Only for devs to smear jungle over it

[proven zinc]

never said quit.

only a masochist would have the isle as their main game

[cunning elk]

I mean guys 3 full grown dinosaurs in one day. This guy ain’t going anywhere let’s be real here

I mean this guys gaming chair prob has a crazy stank to it

[proven zinc]

when i say 3 grown dinosaurs you interpret that as 1 trike 1 stego and 1 trex right?

[cunning elk]

No i interpreted it as in all you do is complain about a game you play all day

[proven zinc]

3 dinos isnt all day bud

less time eating off a wooden board and more time training your critical thinking

[cunning elk]

But that’s enough for me have a good day man was entertaining talking to an interesting specimen like yourself. Good luck w the next 3 Dino’s you grow today ❤️

[proven zinc]

good luck to u 2 growing just to inevitably die of old age. Just what i wanted from a game a reminder of my short mortal life

[tiny vapor]

Honestly feels like the devs don’t actually listen to their players 😭 it hurts so much

[indigo gulch]

In some aspects they dont listen

Because a lot of their players have INSANE ideas

But they added a lot of stuff that they deemed interesting, like regeneratinng stam as ptera when clinging to a surface

[proper mantle]

@tacit basalt there are maps outside of the game if you are lost

[coarse basin]

all the progress taken!!! 4 hours lol best game ever

[leaden ibex]

they just need to make prime last longer

and make frail normal elder happen slower

the system is actually conceptually really interesting and adds a good gameplay loop, all they have to do is fiddle with the numbers to make it work

because right now some of the numbers dont work at all e.g prime teno being terrible and certain dinos having to pray for lucky spawns to get all prime requirements.

[hallow vigil]

@gusty brook theres a /unstuck command ingame you could try typing in the ingame chat. You might have to be resting for it to work though? And iirc it has a cooldown when used. I that doesnt work, try pinging the official server admin role in the channel of the server you are playing on (like, if you're in a US server, do it in #evrima-na )

[gusty brook]

Thank u bro

[hallow vigil]

np

[gusty brook]

Command didn’t work nbs and I pingged admin for help jus waiting for response 🙏🏽

[pale river]

@orchid turtle it’s intended but people don’t like it so might be changed hopefully with a new ui

[tacit basalt]

i only have one moniter so i would continlt have top tab in and out

[jolly linden]

my groth isnt being saved ... anyone ells?

[crimson coyote]

@velvet merlin why u dont like my idea?

[real galleon]

Don't repeatedly post the same suggestion... you mean the same suggestion more than half of the active people in that channel have posted multiple versions of yet you refuse to even slightly acknowledge....

[real galleon]

<<

Pretty sure you misunderstood my comment, haha

[icy lion]

It's been acknowledged #isle-discussion message

@real galleon Read the linked comment, and don't bypass the chat filter

[velvet merlin]

because why would there by a desert on the coast of a small island in a tropical part of the world sorry it took me a lil to respond im playing rex and im freaking out

[ripe spire]

Alright I gotta post this here because I can't post in the actual feedback channel for another 6 hrs for some reason... Remove those stupid "quests" you need to do in order to reach prime elder, it makes no sense at all for a survival game to follow a check mark list! What's the point of visiting zones I don't want or need to go to? It's a complete contradiction to how a survival game is supposed to be played. It's by far the dumbest idea ever in this game

[crimson coyote]

Ok

[crimson coyote]

But why is savanna on this island?

[rugged fox]

Yeahhhhh?
…and does that mean I can’t add onto what I had said earlier? 🤔

[dusky epoch]

is there anyway to get back a dino if it died basiclly to a bug?

[carmine hearth]

Why do morons like you even feel the need to reply? Wow what godly troubleshooting advice. If only you were a discord moderator you could give advice like that all day in here and people would take you serious like the others

[junior nymph]

I try and help people

with very simple info

[carmine hearth]

help by being condescending telling them to restart their pc nice

very useful

[junior nymph]

well they said they didnt

so

and it helped me

[carmine hearth]

Well your help is on par with every mod and admin in here so good job i guess

love checking in everyone in a while to see if anyone has found a fix to the subsystem issue or if the clown devs will ever address it

[blissful atlas]

well that's not very nice.

[carmine hearth]

just to see people being told to do a restart

for the 300th time

was told to dm a dev about it months ago by a discord mod

[wooden agate]

the subsystem issue is connected to an issue with steam 99% of the time.

[carmine hearth]

What issue would that be because every other game connects fine

[icy lion]

My bad for trying to help you with an issue we literally have no solutions for

Take a breather and read rule 2 while you're at it

[urban flax]

@limber hull I don't like the fact it doesn't change the stats at all during that time

A benefit I feel of the elder system is that nobody has exactly the same stats at any time, and it makes things feel more organic
Rather than every FG teno being precisely 1.6 tons without a 1kg difference between them

[limber hull]

elders still exist, that uncertainty remains (also that's already the case for seniors and whatnot)

it keeps the isle gameplay people are used to while still integrating changes with the addition of elderhood

best of both worlds imho

[urban flax]

True
But there IS a time while everyone has the same stats
I would be fine if stat changes were just extremely minor during that time

Also imagine if the elder system was more nuanced than prime/frail

[limber hull]

personally there comes a point imho where i think overcomplication of elder would hurt more than it helps

i think there is a beauty in the simplicity of prime vs frail

[urban flax]

But it's too binary
If you failed one single task you get the same results as someone who did absolutely nothing

[limber hull]

i personally like the fact that every teno is 1.6 tons, because i've never liked the "luck of genetics" thing people have pushed for before

elder still exists to add deviation, but for a bit, there's a little consistency in knowing exactly what you're capable of (also it makes balance values way easier, since so much time will be spent with adult)

[urban flax]

This kind of game imo benefits from granularity rather than binarity
It adds a level of uncertainty that is needed for players to have to consider their chances and such

[urban flax]

It doesn't have to be more than a 5% increase in weight and a 1% increase/decrease in speed
Just so values aren't so identical

[limber hull]

im fine with the symmetry

makes game design less... weird

[foggy field]

@limber hull VERY great piece of feedback, improves the prime system greatly, normal adults rn are pretty much non existent, when elders where suposed to be rare, there is pretty much only juvs/elders in the map

[wooden agate]

elders arent really supposed to be rare though? its intended that after a while, most players will be getting it.

obviously its not intended for every player to reach elder on every life, but generally the playerbase should be reaching the elder stage

[limber hull]

thanks man, i was thinking of ways to make the lifecycle feel more natural to the gameloop and was shocked with how well everything fell into place, to the point it genuinely caught me off guard that this wasn't the way it was always intended

[wooden agate]

i do think more time with adults in general though would be good, even for those who become prime elder.

the only time you really get to experience a FG is if you fail getting prime

[limber hull]

yea, my goal wasn't to make it rare, just to change the overall frequency of how often you see them, if that makes sense

like it's arguably easier to achieve the requirements, but it takes longer to get there and there's a wider spread of growing animals/adult animals/elder animals

If anything, my goal was just to make adults more common, not elders rarer

[wooden agate]

no i get that, i just wanted to correct the misconception there

[limber hull]

(and yes, technically adults being more common = elders being rarer by that metric because playerslots but you get the idea)

[foggy field]

the feeling of not having to play in a rush to get elder also greatly helps

[limber hull]

personally when i started doing the math in my head for when mutations would show up genuinely shocked me because it made me realise that it genuinely feels like it was ALWAYS meant to be this way

0% = inherit mutations
20% = mutation 1
40% = mutation 2
60% = mutation 3
80% = mutation 4 (if prime)
100% = entomb

a perfect spread

[limber hull]

for sure

i think its a big issue too, certain players/playables thrive off the kind of chill of being adult

[foggy field]

dibble for exemple, you are slow in youth so you need to rush it out otherwise you dont get prime

[slow parrot]

you get stuck on everything and then you cant unalive yourself

[tired quest]

type /unstuck in game

[restive current]

Is it possible to manually update DLSS by replacing the DLSS file, or will that result in a ban or something similar?

[pale river]

@covert schooner you know you can walk at 60% Stam and it will recover

[dawn hound]

@shy ore #general-feedback message
Prime elder at 100% doesnt have full damage nor speed but still far more hp (or at least for most midtiers, apexes and some smalltiers)

though I definitely think there should be some balancing across different assets that barely got anything changed within their stats

for example tenonto at max prime elder is just a burger for any other prime elder

[shy ore]

The main point is simply that I can no longer fight with my normal dino at 80 to 100 percent because it is too weak. A juvenile is ultimately even stronger.

[wooden agate]

you dont start declining till 90% though so why can you not fight at 80?

especially considering that the elder stage for most animals is easily over 2+ hours now? in mose cases, 3+?

outside of small tier, of course

for instance, rex takes 10 hours to reach 100% after hitting 75%

[shy ore]

A non-prime dino becomes weaker at 75 percent, or am I mistaken? I usually play a carno or cera, because you don't have as much time as with a trex. I just think it's stupid that I can't do anything with the dino once it's fully grown, that's what I'm talking about.

[crude crag]

hello what do you think about the canibalistic mutation beig so easy to get

just wonder bc so many canibals are around every server now

[dawn hound]

I do agree that for smalltiers the elder stages should last longer so theres more enjoyment (If I am correct the elder system still goes by the animal's growth)

but overall for big things I think theres enough time

plus the stats for them are absolutely busted

[icy spade]

dead body hitboxes are way too big. im sick of having to use all my stam to spread bodies out. the stego body was easily 10ft from the dead rex body but still ended up grabbing a peice of rex meat and now i got infertility.

[steady turtle]

so you have to spend 30h in this game growing a Rex to enjoy it for 2 or 3 hours?
Elder system is worst implementation of any game ive seen, punish someone for actually playing more

[urban flax]

Math isn't your strong suit huh

[limber hull]

LMAO

[crude girder]

@random current how’d you make that color wheel for the skin concept? I’ve been trying to do something similar but it just does not want to work the way I want it too lol

[random current]

Had to do it in Adobe Illustrator first, then import it into Figma via SVG or PNG whatever (figma doesnt have the tools by default so I needed to do it in illustrator).
I have been thinking about coding a website that does it all for you (user just picks the colors, website does the rest). If I decide to do it I can tag you but don't count on me

quick tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjZucAaFSG0

[calm crown]

@azure ruin Couldnt agree more bro tbh I thought Elder would be entirely different system when they first talked about it. Its way too punishing when you get frail elder and im of the opinion that frail elder shouldnt even exist. I thought youd get prime elder from surviving as your dinosaur for a long time. Ive had some of my creatures last over a week even playing them every day and I feel like that is something deserving of prime. Prime elder is way too common...

[azure ruin]

Yeah the elder system feels more like a punishment than a reward for sure : ( I'm just glad I'm not the only one that feels like it.

[calm crown]

for sure! its way too punishing and as soon as you dont make it to sanctuary as a juvi or cant get that 4th patrol to spawn or migration moves before you reach it, or even if your playing herbivore and those stupid = diet dont spawn..... it feels pointless to play afterwards. I literally suicide my dino when that happens because whats the godam point?? Cool game function guys. Also I had an idea about frail and prime elder that could maybe make more sense Maybe if prime elder came with long time requirements of your dinosaur surviving, frail elder can come after surviving as prime for a long time and thats like the full life cycle of your dino+ you still have the option to entomb and get lots of mutations for your next life? Frail elder definitely needs to be gone or changed in some way i hate the concept of it sm

@vivid acorn I know it feels like BS seeing an omni 1v1 a fg allo cause of the size differece but I've seen good omni players pretty much solo stegos, dibbles, ceras etc. I feel like good players should be rewarded for playing smart and well. If that allo predicted that raptors movements when he was getting off and hit RMB at the right time that omni would be finished.

I suppose at what point do we stop with this? should the devs make it so that every dinosaur under another ones weight class should have no chance of being able to kill it? At what point should we make it so skill doesnt matter with a 1v1

[azure ruin]

I think a frail elder should be the result of things like cannibalism and other events in the animal’s life, such as a poor diet over long periods of time, extreme stress, and similar factors. However, I doubt it’s something the developers would consider. It would be a nice way to make people think twice about mixpacking, but I can also understand the complications of that.

[vivid acorn]

Fair Point.

[calm crown]

This is actually a really good idea, working as a punishment for mixpacking or for stresses over your dinos lifetime

Also maybe nesting should be a part of getting prime elder? or speed the process. I feel like nesting has little to no reward for the parents. Or perhaps they should add some sort of other incentives

@solid sphinx Whattt you dont like hearing typing sound effects for 10 minutes when chosing your dinosaur??????? (sarcasm)

[crude girder]

Appreciated!

[azure ruin]

That’s what I was also thinking! A prime elder should be a reward for playing the game realistically (the developers tend to focus a lot on realism, which is why I suggest it), and a frail elder should simply be the result of a poorly lived life.

[solid sphinx]

lol yeah the sound effect is wild and that's just a topping on the state of the UI

[azure ruin]

@toxic birch #general-feedback message

I agree! It would be nice if herbivores could also interact with the environment more.

[calm crown]

its funny to me that they will happily sacrifice enjoyable gameplay in the name of realism then come up with the most unrealistic elder system they could have thought up

[calm crown]

it reminds me of that trend you see with corporatoins that just simplify every single text and logo that had even a splash of character

feels like they did this shii to the UI

[crude girder]

Is that a specific tool in Illustrator? I’ve got Clip Studio Paint and I don’t think I’ve seen anything like it before

[calm crown]

@lavish timber its so BS and when i look at your video...

youre telling me a teno that can knock down fully grown ceratos by the tip of its tail and stun them with its kick cant get out of this position???

[lavish timber]

Its not about you fella

[calm crown]

ive died to the same thing and im in full agreement so yeah it is....

[normal arch]

wow, so rude and for what

[calm crown]

Ikr??

[normal arch]

Either they misunderstood your message and thought you weren't agreeing with them or they're still salty about their death

[calm crown]

I have barely played since hordetest came to main branch tbh cause of how many allos and rexes there are. I usually play teno/maia cause im a hadrosaur fan but between the new elder system and the allo pounce I just barely feel like playing its so dumb

Also the night vision is so bad now, you can barely see anything

[calm crown]

Bro just wants to be mean for no reason

[normal arch]

I couldn't agree more with everything you said tbh

[calm crown]

It seems a lot of people are in agreement, question is wether the devs will change anything about it or not

people in the feedback channel will like write the most well written paragraph, explain in full detail what is wrong with a certain mechanic and changes that can improve it, even with drawn diagrams and photos and videos, it can be liked by people 40+ times and the isle devs still wont even see it

@unreal obsidian I like the idea of carno having a stand still attack but it should DEF scale quite drastically with momentum that video is wild

[unreal obsidian]

Yeahh, and the hitbox is huge, like that first tail-hit there. Also

[calm crown]

Oh my god that is so broken

carnos just have no need to run now they just trot up to you and kill you in 2 shots

[fiery gorge]

Allo is freakky like that ☠️

[sweet galleon]

I cant start the game since Weeks, because of easyanticheat. some1 has the same problem or some1 had the same problem and solved it somehow? pretty annoying. even more when i read that this is a issue since years.

[wooden agate]

??? no

[lavish timber]

I apologise, I was salty and now I've calmed down and re-read your message

[wooden agate]

you reach 75%, "FULL GROWN", after about 12 hours of growing. there is then 10 hours between 75% and 100%, being able to entomb

people rather be flat out WRONG and complain instead of actually learning how the mechanic works

[wooden agate]

you are mistaken. you do not become weaker until 90%, and have 0% growth rate boost after 75%. Dilo has around 2-3 hours between hitting FG, and reaching 100%.

if thats not enough time for you to "do anything", i genuinely dont know what to tell you.

[calm crown]

Thats okay man

[lucid sinew]

I can't play the Allo because of its left foot twitching....said no one ever..

[cunning elk]

Server 2 still busted ?

US2?

[echo spire]

seemed hard to misunderstand i think ur jus a dik

[echo spire]

au2 is still broken yes

[echo spire]

no it does not rex total time without perfect diet is around 11-15 hrs

[echo spire]

a non prime is the equal to an adult (75%) until 85% and then you start getting actually "frail" whereas a prime starts getting its buff once a full adult (75%) until peak prime which is 85% and then you stay at peak until 90% where you then finally start getting weaker that being said nothing but primes and to be primes can really rival you even at 100%

the 5% to 90 is abt 50mins to an hour
75% to 100% is abt 3 and a half hours

[wooden agate]

im going off based what people who have grown countless rexes have told me

and also, considering trike takes around 16 hours to grow im really doubting a rex that isnt speeding thru its life with diet can achieve 100% in 11 hours

[limber hull]

i dont think perfect diet matters for growth as much as just how many nutrients you actually have

[echo spire]

if youve 300% diet rex goes from 15hrs to 7hrs 30mins

the last 25% is grown at normal speed as if you have no nuts as too have a 'long' time for prime although it feels still too quick

[echo spire]

apexes all round will be similar grow times a trike also takes 15hrs and 40mins almost exactly if it had no nuts either jus like rex

best i can provide is my gen2 was able to emtomb after 9hrs 24mins 53s i ended up timing it bc of how much is afk n got curious how long i actually used it vs sitting n waiting in one life

[mortal parrot]

@vivid kite The devs listen to feedback, a decent amount of stuff was changed/added because of community feedback

NV being changed was made a priority because the community wanted it to be updated and now we got this version instead of the gray NV, more human structures are being added because the community wanted some, and random spawning was made a thing because of how hotspots were a massive issue

[junior nymph]

I think the idea behind the devs dont listen is "oh the devs didnt listen to MY feedback therefor they dont listen to any!"

[mortal parrot]

Some idea posted do get added or something very similar, like I posted an idea change for Cerato a while ago to make him more suited for corpse stealing rather than hunting and some of the things I suggested were added

[junior nymph]

exactly

ive suggested things and sometimes they get added

it just matters if its actual feedback and not poop on a plate

I would love to not say poop but I cannot

[mortal parrot]

Like the idea of Cerato being slower using charge bite and getting a higher threshold to be stunned during charge bite were stuff I suggested and were added, so they very much do listen

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

• Highland Trees
• Diets not effecting elders
• Map being made smaller
• Thermals
• Clams & Spearfishing
• Elder system as a whole
• Cerato being slowed down in its Elder Stage
• Carno Ram Changes
• Omniraptor Pounce Changes
• Herrerasaurus side climb
• Pteranodon rework

@vivid kite do you need more examples? because this looks like alot of feedback being added to me.

and those are mostly major mechanics that actually take time to develop, not minimal stat changes

so i am just a little confused

are we playing the same game?

[latent olive]

yeah but is any of it HIS feedback??????? checkmate

[wooden agate]

true! i forgor the game was being made for him and him alone. god, how could i be so blind?

[mortal parrot]

Also, they can't just add the suggested changes instantly, depending on how big of a change it is can take a long time

Like NV

[wooden agate]

@flint mantle #general-feedback message

beipi elder weight is an oversight from when they brought it down from 250kg

colors for everything are being reworked, beipi players will be fine in the mean time

def submit a bug report about beipi weight though so its known lol

[delicate rune]

There are going to do something with the double left click attack of trike? I mean im a rex at his back and that attack continue hitting me until im at his back

[stray nest]

do prime parents give their hatchlings all 4 muts or just 3? and if 2nd gen nests, does it mean 3rd gen can have 12 muts?

[limber hull]

@raw hedge #general-feedback message

this should just be megalania venom tbh

[raw hedge]

Megalania can still have a bleed focused venom, but probably won’t be “pouncing” targets. But will be a variation of dilo style venom if anything

[limber hull]

I genuinely don't see why you'd need to change Troo's venom, I personally like the fact it doesn't hold on at all

[normal shuttle]

Troodon is so close to greatness

[raw hedge]

It’s because for the concept of having venom that makes you bleed out faster, you never really kill anything by bleeding it out.
There are going to be changes to bucking and everything else anyways, dilo can continuously extend their stage three venom, why can’t troo? Especially when it’s applying it faster and more often?
It prevents things from running away, and keeps mutations like tactile allow targets to gain stamina forever.
It’s not changing the venom, just adding the ability to choose to bleed a target out, OR use the current venom to just fish out damage.

[raw hedge]

It’s one of the few dinos that is so close to playing the way it was described to be.

[limber hull]

but troodon has never had the concept of having venom that makes you bleed out faster, that was mega's thing

also troo and dilo have very different venoms, hence why troo can't just continuously extend it

also tactile is its own problem, we shouldn't be balancing troodon around tactile, we should be balancing tactile around the game

[raw hedge]

This is some of the original concept art as far as I’m aware.
Megalania venom can work in a similar fashion idc, but Troodon has been a “whittle away until you can’t fight back” kind of Dino.
Venom doesn’t just go away after a short period of time irl.
Mega can easily get a venom that continues to prevent healing, and give it its own little niche.
Tactile works well against anything that keeps causing damage. Allowing you to drain stamina via being latched can help deal with it, without it being reworked, since alt attacks can be done indefinitely anyways for now.
This isn’t “balancing around tactile” this is letting it fit the niche of draining your energy and bleed.

Troodon has to land 15+ hits within a minute or so counting the 1st few stages to kill a teno.
10 pounces in stage 3 for roughly 1000 dmg.
But that forces it to be a damage dealer instead of a “drainer” causing fights to last a lot longer.

[limber hull]

rework tactile lol, i think troodon works fine with heavy damage, literally every other pouncer in the game is bleed based

and relies on holding on for longer to do more

[raw hedge]

But forcing a one shot Dino to brawl without giving it the ability to either slow a target down, or burn out its ability to fight is kinda meh.

[limber hull]

also troodon isn't forced to brawl wdym

[raw hedge]

You can still allow to do heavy damage, but also give it the ability to shorten a fight

[raw hedge]

You have to continuously do high amounts of damage in short periods of time for the venom to be effective

You’re only hope is to get in between alt attacks

Which a lot of dinos have a very short cooldown, ie lawnmower teno

You could make it so the venom slows you down, or increases cooldowns between attacks and keep venom as it is
But for something that constantly applies venom via pounces, it only gets extended slightly in stage 3 before it’s fully reset

And with large herbivores having a large stamina pool/regen, it takes 1 lucky hit to end the Troodon hunt

It’s just allowing the venom to do what it should be. Bleeding out and draining via heavy bursts of damage

[normal shuttle]

How is that brawling

That sounds more like something an assassin would do if we want to go off archetypes

[neat hemlock]

hey is it just me or now health bar is not working?

[pale river]

It’s intentional

[pale river]

You can see wounded status to know if you are below half health but other than that good luck

[raw hedge]

Assassin would be something like Herrera.
Hit, Without even being known
Assassins also don’t work in large groups. If you want to go off of archetypes, it’s more rogue than assassin. But this game is not about archetypes, it’s about an experience you can get with a certain type of Dino.

[raw hedge]

You could also look at your bite force.
When you’re wounded, your bite force will begin to drop, and when you’re bite force is half of your original, you are at 25% HP

[pale river]

O sick

[neat hemlock]

devs try not to ruining the game, mission impossible

I hope one day, there would be stat customizable servers. Something like Zomboid sandbox settings

just got killed by Allo pin

right click = free meal

[pale river]

There going to add mods at some point

[neat hemlock]

most likely in 2032

[last saffron]

Hi guys, i made a map where its an idea to add Dinosaurs like mosasaurus or bigger ocean dinosaurs, we re talking about give the balance to the island and make it a little bit more like the jurassic era, i splitted the island in few islands connected by small parts of land, and also a coral for acuatic dinos, i did this just because i want to make the deinos kingdom get fcked na i am jking, just i want to make everything look more balanced, and amazing at the end of the day, bring some use to the ocean, because the ocean rn on our game dont have any use, yo guys tell me your ideas and maybe we can let the devs know !!!

[limber hull]

is... is this just an AI generated image of a giant ocean carved through the vulona gateway map

[icy lion]

yes

[urban flax]

"I made a map" lol

[last saffron]

ajam its done by chat gpt

thats the idea

we have ai why we couldnt use it? and yes i made it, its my idea i wrote that down so i made it with ai help ofc

[foggy field]

Hope plains twice

Tbh i hope the new mangroove has a estuary like sistem

[last saffron]

ikn XD Its an idea for devs, just an idea

it could be cool to bring alive big ocean dinos

[queen locust]

reminds me of the crossing in V3

[last saffron]

on legacy

there was spot in the map like that haha

[ocean mica]

@night mason Cera Does not need a rebalance, the biting balances out, 2 ceras for 1 rex. Its just my opinion like yours. 2 rexes would mean you'd have to have 4 ceras to even out the bite force. Right now a pack of more than 2 ceras is rare. Plus if the rex gets a pin thats game set and match the cera needs something to balance it out

[crude girder]

Man

general feedback be wildin

[raw hedge]

When is it not lol

[tranquil cradle]

constant fatal errors trying to play, never had this issue before. I played for hours yesterday also

[foggy field]

Oh marine reptiles/ancient animals would be dope for sure

Maybe a DLC? in the far future

Id love to see a massive macroprededor Ichytiotitan

[grim hornet]

@raw hedge Imo I think troodon Is fine where it is now regrading balancing, I think the only Issue is the state on the Hitboxes in the game since Due to troo being a one shot predator, it get's killed a lot by things that don't even touch it.

[winter void]

totally agree on that.
troo is doing pretty fine just the hit reg gets it done a lot of the time it shouldnt

[grim hornet]

Yea like a just got killed by an omni that pinned me from 6 feet away.

Only issue I don't go troo more often.

Love the thing but the bugs ruin it

[raw hedge]

Buggy pounces def make it harder. But it would be nice to have it get a touch more bleed imo

[grim hornet]

Troodons Entire thing is the venom, The bleed just makes it easier to track the prey down since when troo pounces smth there is a lot of blood.

[winter void]

this!
and thats an issue not only on that case.
rex runs past your tail .. pinned. Omni, allo even dibble and carno knocking over past tail hits 😄
and then are the cases troodon is pounceing and doesnt get the pounce for any reason and drops like a potato

[raw hedge]

Old concept art showing the hemotoxic venom

Drained you via blood loss etc.
I just hate all kills being about damage only etc

[grim hornet]

I see what you mean but this will happen in the far future, we need to think what can we do now that is possible.

Aslo Isn't troo supposed to have a mimic call?

[raw hedge]

Just needs a bleed buff to make this possible

[raw hedge]

Yeah, but too many ways it could be worked rn.
Would be dope to see it but I have no idea what would be “best” for mimic

[winter void]

btw anyone had troodons apply venom by bites ?
i snapped one earlier with the classic alt bite into pounce and got venomed even it died on my face. so either the denied pounce hits venom or any dmg does which was a wierd moment to me

[raw hedge]

Some face pounces will cause venom yeah

[winter void]

could see troo venom make bleed harder. Like a comodo dragon

[grim hornet]

Bites don't do any venom

[winter void]

ah than it was the failed pounce all right ty for that ^^

[grim hornet]

I love troo but I don't want to spend over an 1hr growing it to die to a bug.
In my experience in this game for 6 years bugs make things metta and other playables Useless.

[raw hedge]

Komodo just stops you from bleeding.
Hemotoxic venom causes you to essentially go into cardiac arrest, dumping more blood with elevated heart rate etc

[winter void]

since i also got a tiny bit dmg from it i thought it was a bite amybe but now i know better ^^

[winter void]

ye just mean like a komodo keeps the wound

[naive saddle]

Please give us the QUEUE sytem back please !!

[cyan arch]

I gave up and just bought PoT ._.

Literally impossible to even get into NA server w/o wasting an hours refreshing page

[lusty token]

Tell me why there is no queue? It is like 112/100 and u have to refresh all time and wait until is 99/100 to enter server...

[cyan arch]

Because devs hate us and want us to suffer

No other explanation

[lusty token]

scrue this i won't be wastin my time to join server

this game is gettin worst patch by patch

[boreal sparrow]

Plenty of unofficials to play on brodie

[icy lion]

There are issues with the queue, so it's disabled until the issues can be fixed

[lucid sinew]

The Rex Paleo call sounds like the Titanic before she crashed…

[lucid sinew]

On a serious note though...anyone else running into invisible walls? There are quite a bit on the eastern coast connecting from East Swamp to Delta Rivers

[gaunt pasture]

The idea of elder system is definitely cool but the way it’s implemented sucks why am I being punished for putting hours into a game to get to fg and if I miss a few steps I die of old age same with elder why are we dying of old age in a video game where the whole point is to get to fg and survive

[oblique fable]

#general-feedback message
Unsure if anyone has commented on it or not @south cedar, but I'd love to see a more realistic or explainable idea of this caliber in the game (personally)

Something of like permanent injuries or long lasting wounds, something to really drive the idea of "I don't wanna be in this situation, and furthering it could hinder my survival and effort greatly if I continue". Especially making the stakes tight when its a fight for territory or food.
-# Sadly this couldn't work ever (or very unlikely) cause people could prob just ignore the wounds/injuries and call it there ,and still does nothing to stop baby killers 😔

either way though, really do like the idea of active consequences to ones actions that aren't immediately severe

[south cedar]

maybe debuff something to do with prime/frail maybe you immediately lose prime status from the canni kill, just look at the power difference between prime and non prime rex, the non-prime cant run, cant fight, prime rex basically just get a free pass to bully them and dump 10 hours down the drain

[wooden agate]

@cyan gull hey! i know its not much of a solution to GFN, but you can use Boosteroid to play EVRIMA! Im also a cloud gamer lol, and Boosteroid has genuinely been a life saver. its also only 10$, compared to GFN being 20$

[south cedar]

bro evrima and cloud gaming sound like a recipe for a bad time

[wooden agate]

it works surprisingly well

[cyan gull]

Yeah, I used to use boosteriod but I was very laggy on it but GeForce now performs great. I’ve heard they’ve fixed some of the connection issues. I would get lots of lag spikes in game and in fights. I might try it out. Thanks for suggesting.

[wooden agate]

60 FPS on epic settings, barely any input lag, etc

ah yeah :( its definitely not the best cloud gaming platform compared to GFN. but, thankfully EVRIMA should be coming to the main branch soon now that elders are out

[cyan gull]

Yep hopefully 🤞

[wooden agate]

i am lucky enough to have really good wifi so the differences between GFN and Boosteroid are relatively minor for me, but boosteroid does definitely get under my skin a bit lol.

they talked about switching branches recently and were mainly waiting on the gameplay loop (elders) for the dinosaurs, so we dont gotta suffer for long

[cyan gull]

I also have relatively good wifi, months ago I used boosteriod to play the isle. Had lots of fun disregarding the lag spikes. Glad to know someone else uses boosteriod to play the isle 😁

[minor sentinel]

#general-feedback message @dark galleon I have not play the game that much after the update, but I'm sure that really only happen in the HT, like I'm 87% sure.

[dark galleon]

HT? i was in south plains walking around and lagged and fell through map i wouldnt be upset if they have support and compisate people but they are dikheads and dont help anyone

[minor sentinel]

oh ok

[dark galleon]

i didnt lag sorry the servers connections suck which is another issue they cant seem to fix

[dark galleon]

2 days ago i had prime trex and rather than rolling back the duplicated servers they deleted all them and made new ones and made everyone restart its endless and on top of that you cant make a ticket and they have a forum u fill out which no one on the dev team or discord team will even open or respond to its screwed its gunna die off because how much they lack care for the game

[minor sentinel]

I mead have you try to get comp?

[dark galleon]

yes but i was met with disrespect and evenually went into my dms after timing me out the discord to disrespect me even more and dont even get me started on the cheaters theres to many of them

[minor sentinel]

who?

[dark galleon]

not gunna name drop because he will probably remove me from the discord but it was a admin

[minor sentinel]

DM?

[icy lion]

@lone summit

Also love your #

[lone summit]

oh nice didnt remember seeing this! also sorry for posting that in the wrong channel earlier.

[lone summit]

@fossil violet #general-feedback message so youre saying that the more you fight the higher chance of getting frail elder?

[fossil violet]

i mean, dondi is a realism guy, and in real life the more an animal fights the more prone it is to permanent damage

[limber hull]

prime elder should not be earned via fights, that was the opposite of what don was saying

[lone summit]

that is true but think about carnis, how negatively that would affect them. it would destroy most hopes of even getting close to prime

[limber hull]

dondi doesn't want people to be constantly encouraged/forced to fight

[outer yacht]

But then what else is there to do in this PvP game where fighting is the only thing to do.

[fossil violet]

that’s true but a big portion of the playerbase gets cucked by becoming frail by default. i was just tryna think outside the box to keep a stagnant elder form

[limber hull]

im confused if this is like a sarcastic joke or not

[lone summit]

it shouldnt be tied to elder status.

[fossil violet]

Frail itself should be determined by amounts of close fights, keep the same prime requirements, and add a Stagnant Elder 🤷🏽‍♂️

[outer yacht]

I’m just saying if he doesn’t want to encourage fights, he shouldn’t have made an arena fighting game. Or maybe add more features in the game that can keep players entertained that isn’t fighting

[limber hull]

it isnt an arena fighting game tho

[fossil violet]

facts

keep the realism

[outer yacht]

It’s not supposed to be an arena fighting game, but it kinda is

[lone summit]

its not an arena fighting game. its a survival/simulator game with bloodthirsty players.

[outer yacht]

A survival simulator where the only fun thing to do is fight. I don’t really count nesting because it’s completely optional (in a game where we’re supposed to be playing like animals, the singular driving factor of animals is optional)

Make nesting required, give us territories to defend, something

[limber hull]

fighting is also optional tbh

unless you're specific animals

[covert tiger]

@leaden ibex bruh lol
Just press enter to see percentages

[outer yacht]

If you don’t fight then what are you even doing ingame. Walking and eating isn’t exactly fun

[limber hull]

i like to explore and find players in random obscure places, i play a lot of hypsi just because i enjoy the basic movement of hypsi, so on

also nesting too yea

[outer yacht]

Fair enough, but there’s no incentive for the rest of the players to act like this.

If you want to make a game where players behave like real animals, you have to design it that way. Giving players the option to maybe nest if they want to won’t cut it.

[lone summit]

but thats the whole point im making, the original post was to punish you for fighting too much. That doesnt seem like good game design

[outer yacht]

The problem is there’s barely anything to do besides fighting. Give us some other gameplay loop that required, and now fighting isn’t the main focus

[lone summit]

i agree with you but once again im not saying i dont like to fight. I am arguing that fighting should not be punished

[outer yacht]

I don’t recall saying fighting should be punished

[lone summit]

i know but that is what started the whole conversation

[outer yacht]

Yea fair lol

[leaden ibex]

should just be accessible

more accessible*

[wintry cipher]

Ngl making a territory system and managing a territory could be a neat integration for prime requirements as well.

[coarse juniper]

#general-feedback message agreed

i say keep the pin but make allo only able to pin smalls as allo itself is a large animal and thats often how they hunt

cera shouldnt be instakilled by allo

[limber hull]

atm, it can't be unless that allo is an age class above it

adult allo can't pin adult cera, prime allo can't pin prime cera, prime allo CAN pin adult cera

[covert tiger]

@rose finch it is literally impossible for allos to take down a non-braindead stego, trike or rex without its grapple / pounce / pin

[gentle lichen]

My idea to the nesting was to make it so that you can only reach prime when you are nested. But at the same time remove the frail elder. This way nesting would be interesting again and i think many more people would nest.

[gentle lichen]

I mean. For quite some time me and my group were holding a "territory". You can still make a territory even if it is not implemented as such in the game. Just go to an area you like. Do your thing. And challenge everything that comes there.

[rose finch]

I’m sure it’s not impossible to bait stegos into tail swinging to use the heavy bleed claw slash and bleed them out. I don’t think a solo, average Allo is meant to take one on if that’s what you’re saying

[leaden ibex]

theres definitely a better way of giving allos a way to fight stegos. currently the unwinnable combo goes: One allo facetanks power swing, second latches to stun the stego while the first allo gets up and latches stego. Latch until stamina is low and wait until the stego bleeds out.

getting latched is just so uninteractive

[ancient kestrel]

@serene turtle #general-feedback message
You can guess how much health your creature have just by the blood on the screen

Also looking at the model of your dino may also hint how wounded it is

[little oyster]

@nova loom
Seconded on the elder time thing, most of the game is spent being either baby or brittle and I hate it...

Need to spend more time actually enjoying the animal instead of stressing about how weak you are compared to the sweats.

[ancient kestrel]

@nova loom #general-feedback message
For starters most prime elders are quite viable even at 100% (some are just straight up stronger than 75% adult like Prime deino)
However thats entire point of elders and prime elders getting weaker so younger creatures can have a chance to compete with old. Thats the cycle of life

[junior nymph]

that elder idea sucks personally

like darkness one

"yea just make it so prime is the next adult"

so sick just remove the whole idea of elders in the first place

[ancient kestrel]

Well if you are not aware all growth speed buffs aren't applying after 75% so your dino wont degrade that fast anyway

[limber hull]

ikr, just invalidate the loop of the game

[ancient kestrel]

There is no loop if full grown playables will stay strongest for their entire life

[junior nymph]

exactly

its literally going against why elders even were an idea from the start

[little oyster]

I think the biggest problem is that the longest-lasting chunk of the lifecycle is juvenile, which is a lot of walking simulator and hiding in bushes until the board can't kill you. Subadult hits and you're speedy for a bit, then you hit prime adult for like... A fraction of what's fun, then you hit elder and go sterile pretty quickly after that...
Also, no, I (like many others) did not know the 75% thing, Poison. That's also part of the problem, the complete lack of instruction. The absolute rush to prime elder is a race in the blind, especially for smaller tiers. Non-prime elder omni is just suffering because its "sprint" is hardly faster than its trot. Leave eldering in for the loop, I agree, but the tiny fraction of time your smaller tiers are viable is absolutely punishing.

[ancient kestrel]

Deino being an exception in this rule tho if gets to prime but it's either might be rebalanced or idk

[little oyster]

I do wonder about deino, since crocodilians essentially never stop growing...

[junior nymph]

one thing I see from this is the longest lasting chunk isnt juvenile, its actually elder even going to your peak form. you go downhill for like 30-1hr if you are something like a maia so I dunno about the sterile pretty quick thing, I liked mrpara aka wavepooles idea on having about 20% where you dont gain stats and you stay at around 0% diet like elder but you can still do your things to get prime meaning you have pretty much aslong as your growth through adult and then your growth again through elder

[ancient kestrel]

Yeah small creatures definitely need some adjustments in their growth loop. I hope they will be rebalanced in that regard

[junior nymph]

it might not, its a callback to the old idea that the devs had where deinos would never stop growing, sadly that was scrapped but we now have it in this elder time

[ancient kestrel]

Deino being only creature in the Isle playing bermuda would be a little bit weird tho.

[junior nymph]

Yea, it wouldnt make sense for the game, one of the reasons why it was scrapped

[little oyster]

I don't play larger things, so I don't feel the mercy of actually enjoying the eldering process... I main omni and play troodon and beipi intermittently, so I end up playing for about an hour or less before literally everything outruns me and I either starve or get crushed. Forced death and restart every hour or so, more or less.

[ancient kestrel]

Imagine playing troo on x2 growth servers now

[little oyster]

Genuinely my issue, I can agree here.

[little oyster]

Gods... * cries in fast-forward *

[junior nymph]

yea I agree small tiers should get changed, but they might not

[boreal sparrow]

Priming troo is easy asf

[junior nymph]

like I would kinda like if small tiers had 2X their elder time

[boreal sparrow]

Two words, river delta

[junior nymph]

like everything under lets say 1T

[little oyster]

I have yet to prime literally anything because I can't get anyone to pack with me and I shouldn't have to rely on studying content creators on how to actually elder something when there are zero instructions...

[junior nymph]

I feel half of the community didnt do that

hell I didnt do it

I just waddle around the map, as a raptor I can literally go across the entire map with around 150% diet all the time and get prime

[boreal sparrow]

It's super easy if you actually move around through patrols and stuff normally

[junior nymph]

literally

[boreal sparrow]

So many people think the patrols need to be active so walk past pz after pz

[little oyster]

Like, I know there's a list of things you have to do, but hell if I actually know what that is. I attempted it on omni, but I ran out of time despite constantly sprinting trying to find nutrients.

[little oyster]

Are patrol zones working again? Or are they still invisible? They were invisible for over a month last time I played.

[boreal sparrow]

Use vulnona and just walk through where they are????

They're still there

[little oyster]

That didn't answer my question, control your question marks.

[ancient kestrel]

For nutrients you literally need to hit perfect diet once even just by 1% of each nutrient present at the same time

[boreal sparrow]

They were never not working for prime

They didn't show up on scent but that didn't mean they werent working

[little oyster]

I remember perfect diet, I just had a dickens of a time finding tacos.

[boreal sparrow]

Protip try killing a player and you can get their organs and get perfect diet ez

[ancient kestrel]

Yeah for pzs and mzs you just have to visit locations where those are can spawn even if they are inactive at the moment

[little oyster]

Protip for your protip, baby omni can't do that and no one plays them anymore unless they're going canni, so solo player here.

[boreal sparrow]

You only need it once in your life before 75%???

[little oyster]

Wait, hold up... Patrol zones aren't randomized locations?

[boreal sparrow]

Are you ok

I tried to message and explain it to him but his brain has no bumps

[ancient kestrel]

Nope. They have fixed locations where they may spawn (red circles are pzs and green zones - mzs)

[little oyster]

That... Is extremely helpful, thank you. I never knew they were permanent zones.

Still hate that we have to rely on external sources so heavily, but c'est la vie...

[ancient kestrel]

They technically aren't permanent and have to be triggered to actuall show up on the compass. But for the prime you basically have to just visit the locations of those zone regardless of the fact if they are currently visible or not

[boreal sparrow]

Crazy you're repeating what I just told this guy 😂

Bro has to hear it twice to believe it 😭

[ancient kestrel]

||Sometimes it matters how you are conveying certain information to the people so they have better understanding what you talking about||

[little oyster]

Things I remember from a video I barely had the time to watch:

• Visit sanctuary
• Visit patrol zone
• Visit migration zone
• Have full nutrients once
• Never cannibalize
• Never get poor diet
  And that's all I can remember about eldering. Last I heard (and kind of saw) was the fact that PZs were invisible or otherwise "not working."

[ancient kestrel]

Also getting nested or grow your kids to the sub are also optional objectives. And out of all you need to complete only 5 (never cannibalize and no red stomach)

[boreal sparrow]

If bro couldn't read out the message I sent him in dms and comprehend that idk what to tell you

[little oyster]

-# If only I could ever get people to play with me in my timezone without being cannibalized, I'm the loneliest solo omni at all times...

[ancient kestrel]

To be precise it's not getting muscle spasms objective. If you have cannibal mutation it probably not an issue

[little oyster]

||Can't help but agree, dude was rude twice in a row and I put him on ignore, so thank you for actually explaining without having an attitude.||

[little oyster]

Oh, I haven't played since before the free cannibal mutation.

I took a break shortly after rex hit hordetest, so things were still very broken.

[ancient kestrel]

People wouldn't be picking cannibal if that thing was able to cancel any prime progress

[little oyster]

True that.

As much as I don't like the white-pink cannibal skin, I may have to resort to it if I want to get remotely close to my pale skin designs... But at least now it won't cancel my gameplay loop.

I'll get back into the game at some point, once night visibility is fixed and I'm not forced to look like only mud or moss. lol

[little oyster]

I just realized, parthenogenesis is a thing now... So having a hatchling is also a prime requirement?

[ancient kestrel]

No. It have to be grown to the sub I believe

[little oyster]

Ah, interesting...

[ancient kestrel]

*Adjustment. Not a red stomach but no infertile status from having no nutrients

[little oyster]

Ah yeah, that. The "never have poor diet" bit, I think. lol

Well, I'll be waiting for all the balancing atrocities to get sorted out since the double dino release and for the visual issues (UI/NV) to be resolved before I come back in full, so hopefully some of the persistent issues will be fixed in that time.

[tranquil finch]

good job on the ambience sounds, i really like those birds and crickets, feels like real life with headphones that know how to do spatial sound

[boreal sparrow]

@sick wagon ai should spawn to clear them soon if you move away from them a bit

Pteras are invisible but you should see the compys

[ripe spire]

Full nutrients or perfect diet (have some of all 3)?

[frank notch]

Right now?

pvp feels like utter garbage, its just pin simulator with no counter.

it used to be fun

but now its only one button simulator.

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

"im an allo main but if you use the tools the devs give you you have a skill issue"

lmao

[frank notch]

i respect players that choose the harder way to hunt

For allo? I will be honest their bleed is so busted they dont need the pounce.

a lunge for a longer claw attack would be more acceptable

plays into the allos bleeding strength

[narrow cypress]

A tool that gives you free win , come on buddy , if you need to use that I have to tell you that you have a pretty big lack of skill. But it's fine for people who aren't very skilled, as seems to be your case, use it, because there will come a time when it will be removed and then you'll see how you do anything in the game.

[limber hull]

"there will come a time when it will be removed"

lmao

[narrow cypress]

It's a tool that gives you no control and where pressing rmb is victory, but oh well, I have to listen to the expert here called Mrpara who probably hasn't even tried the allo

[limber hull]

i do love how people think the animal who has always been portrayed as a pinning animal won't have a pin

[frank notch]

what the devs need to do

[narrow cypress]

listen at his community

[frank notch]

is add a way for the prey to get out of it. Give them a chance to escape so it isnt one sided

[narrow cypress]

i love to play with allo with the claw atack and the bite , the pounce is a skill issue

[limber hull]

i also love how you're saying i have a skill issue, for what, saying that being elitist about a move is silly?

[narrow cypress]

for saying that a dino needs a rmb victory xdddddd

[limber hull]

yea because no animal has ever had an RMB victory before allo

[urban flax]

It like those Dark Souls players who say "if you can't finish the game bare-handed without taking a single hit you don't deserve to play it"

[narrow cypress]

51 likes that doesnt think like you

[limber hull]

cool

you could've said something years ago

because we always knew it was getting pounce and pin

[frank notch]

in its current state bar the claw attack allo does kinda feel like an omni clone- just larger...

With the rex it has its own flavoring of pinning the crush function

but its done in a way that makes a lot of sense for the animal

[limber hull]

i mean, again, im shocked people are surprised to learn it's effectively a larger omni, they've never been shy about the fact that that's effectively what it is

since day 1

[frank notch]

ive always known man, no need to be rude about it

[urban flax]

What the devs should have done was to simply never add allo

It's mid

[limber hull]

valid lol

[frank notch]

yeah it feels a bit rushed

[limber hull]

eh, i don't feel it was rushed at all

[urban flax]

It's not about being rushed
Allo is just a bad animal

[limber hull]

i feel it is everything they intended for it

[narrow cypress]

a larger omni without agility xd

[frank notch]

they intended to have a differing animation for allo- however due to it not working propperly before the launch- they just left the omni standin animation

they should of kept allo on hoardtest for a bit longer so the animations make sense for the animal

[limber hull]

it does have a differing animation idk what you mean

[frank notch]

that doesnt work properly

its janky and doesnt look right.

im on a pvp server right now and all im seeing is floating allos attatched to the sides of larger herbies and carnies

its not finished- they should of delayed it.

[narrow cypress]

yeah allo needs a lot of work

[limber hull]

idk man, the animations seem... fine? like a lil janky but what isn't

[frank notch]

they had the point of rex and the elder system for the update to improve interaction.

[frank notch]

far too janky

[limber hull]

ehhhh

idk it seems passable to me

[frank notch]

rex looks better because its had a lot longer to be cooked with.

[limber hull]

well, rex looks better because it doesn't need to latch on too

[frank notch]

allo was done in a shorter amount of time and im sorry to say- appears rushed.

[limber hull]

it just holds the thing in place

[frank notch]

as stated prior the pin is done in a way that works perfectly for the animal

[normal shuttle]

Rex looks great

[frank notch]

allos doesnt feel the same- it just doesnt feel right.

[normal shuttle]

The only large carni I’ve liked so far

[narrow cypress]

for example sometimes when you drift with allo , allo does a strange animation , like to weird

[frank notch]

this

when an allos fighting a deino and are on its back they legit do the omni animations

[narrow cypress]

like trying to do the drift but without doing to strange

[frank notch]

it needed more time for the devs to polish it

thats my point here.

[normal shuttle]

Allo is a slop dinosaur and I am glad people agree now

Especially because of the pinning

I hate this one more than titanoboa

[frank notch]

i wouldnt say fully slop, the pin can make sense. It just hasnt been implemented for allo well enough.

Its not got a unique enough flavoring too it

[limber hull]

like to be completely honest, i think allo is fine

do i really LIKE its pin gameplay? not really lol

am i surprised this is its gameplay? no, i expected this and came to terms with it like, years ago

also its pin only impacts creatures like, 50% its weight or smaller, so fine by me. Also, again, pounce/pin/grapple is provably one of the best ways to design something that's meant to murder bigger things

i think stuff like the back slot should just not be accessible for allo because it looks stupid as hell but that's whatever at this point

[normal shuttle]

Not like it was meant to be much different from what I know

[limber hull]

im just not gonna play the thing because i think it's boring and i dont really care for its pin-to-win gameplay, but i'm not foolish enough to think they'll rework something they've intended for the animal since day 1

[normal shuttle]

Allo was said to be bigger omni ever since the first days of evrima, or even before that when we got to see the Omni pounce testing

At least that’s what I remember

[frank notch]

i can agree with most of your points. However my own standing on visuals still apply.

The way they've done it could of been better if they gave it more time.

[limber hull]

i spoke out against allo's design for a while but now i just kind of accept it is how it is

[normal shuttle]

Seeing people in r/theisle thinking it was just rushing things and crashing out over the fact that they indeed meant to give allo that was pretty funny though

[limber hull]

it's been down the whole pipeline of development at this point

and honestly, it's not as bad as i thought it'd be

[normal shuttle]

I’ve seen people there already doomposting because “bary” has a pin lol

[frank notch]

the only thing that to me needed more work was the pin

[normal shuttle]

😭 😭 😭 😭 they thought they were gonna make bary a pouncer like allo

[frank notch]

its a reskinned allo

[urban flax]

I'll make bary a pouncer

[normal shuttle]

I know it’s a placeholder

[normal shuttle]

The Redditors will hate you

[limber hull]

yea because people are stupid and take a leaked model with allo calls and allo animations and allo stats as the finalised version of bary

[frank notch]

mhm

[urban flax]

That will only make me stronger

[normal shuttle]

It was so funny to look at AFTER already seeing the bary underwater walking and defensive stance in the devblog

But nah, reading stuff from evil devs is bad

Better to doom about the game you’re still playing daily

[limber hull]

i honestly think the allo discourse is just bizarre

people surprised that allo does the thing it was always meant to do, allo players acting holier than thou because they DON'T press RMB and treat it like a cardinal sin, having entire suggestions that effectively manage to make the allo either something it makes no sense to be or just somehow reinvent pin (my personal fave)

like replacing pin with pin but written in a way that doesn't directly call it pin

[frank notch]

is that a mockery of me?

[limber hull]

no?

[normal shuttle]

placebo

[limber hull]

why would i mock you

[frank notch]

i cant tell anymore man, ive had so many people yell at me over my realistic dryo buff suggestions lmao

[normal shuttle]

Realistic dryo?

[frank notch]

not realistic

but plausable and would make sense

so more dodge charges, improved distance traveled with dodges.

as right now dryo hasnt really recieved anything

(my personal fave dino)

[limber hull]

i love dryo

i wish burrowing was higher priority

[frank notch]

yea...

[limber hull]

me want dig hole

[frank notch]

but it wont be, hense why i suggest things of such that improve survivability

[normal shuttle]

Dryo should make Vietnam booby traps with pointy sticks, besides the burrows

[frank notch]

nah

then the raptor players would complain

[latent olive]

that was my idea for psittacosaurus

Vietcong guerrilla niche

[normal shuttle]

Absolute cinema

Taco better use its infectious quills for something

[normal shuttle]

Raptor and allo players now

They’re one and the same

[tribal girder]

Question, I've got perfect diet, visited sanctu, PZ & MZ, never infertile or spasms and travelled across the map and still did not get my prime, is anyone tell me what I did wrong?

[rotund depot]

I have been waiting for idk like 7 months to be able to play deino, ofc i can play body drop servers but it takes away the fun factor of being able to starve. How has the Fish been a problem that takes away a whole dinosaur from vanilla gameplay not been fixed?

[leaden ibex]

its just bugged

sometimes you get prime sometimes you don't. There are documented instances of players walking side by side doing all elder requirements and one getting prime and one getting frail

[stray nest]

how do i get rid of fluid defficiency ffs?

[boreal sparrow]

Fill your fluid bar fully, go drink salt water throw up and fill it on fresh again and repeat a second time it'll unlock salt water mut and fix the deficiency @stray nest

@leaden ibex where are these documented instances cause every time I've hit prime reqs I've gotten prime?

@leaden ibex i see someone in feedback say they documented it but vulnona map they shared doesn't show their movements at all to verify so can't really be passed as actually being documented.

You can have it do this and actually document, you see this i went to sanctuary sat there and got prime

Have repeated on about 6 different dinos this exact 2 mz and 5 pz

[leaden ibex]

ive seen multiple location maps on this server and unofficials of people crossing multiple pz/mz and not getting prime

someone was also talking about a testing server a while ago but i didnt see anything from that

[boreal sparrow]

Weird I have only seen people listing what they've apparently done never seen them actually post their maps showing their actual movements to confirm, cause as I've said every run I've personally done for prime has hit it

[earnest goblet]

did they delete it or what

[gaunt cipher]

not to start another debate on pinning and grappling being too broken or not, but omni grapple (idk about allo i havent played it yet) feels absolutely awful, 99.999% of the time i cant say latched for more than 5 seconds before getting stuck in the air randomly getting hit for free:(

[mild isle]

huh wym stuck in the air 😭

[gaunt cipher]

i had the worst case of it so far earlier i wish i clipped it but it was turned off. https://www.reddit.com/r/theisle/comments/1lp4zwk/raptor_op/ this post is what im talking about

[mild isle]

wth 😭

[gaunt cipher]

before this update i would only get this very occasionally, but now it pretty much happens every time

[mild isle]

yeah the pouncing mechanic is still super iffy

[gaunt cipher]

its so frustrating because to me personally, despite the game still having a lot of hackers and lag and balance issues and this and that, it still felt mechanically fine to play most dinos but now i dont even feel that anymore:(

[full stone]

Hello~ does anyone know if the beipi underwater vision is intentional? I hope it’s possible to see more underwater in the future…

[balmy condor]

are server queues not a thing anymore?

[pliant elm]

From what I remember, it's been bugged since the update that added the new animation for it

[bronze jungle]

is it really slow joining servers for any1 else

is there a fix

[junior nymph]

@limber hull #general-feedback message HES BACK HE DOING IT!

[limber hull]

he did it in balance feedback too lmao

[junior nymph]

yea

[limber hull]

also why is his suggestion to make rex obnoxiously broken with minor tweaks to compensate lmao

[warm blaze]

@vagrant phoenix your suggestion will not work

Histological studies show that the Stegosaurus's plates were not robust at all. They were:

made of a thin outer bony wall

filled with a very spongy and vascularized interior

corrided by large blood vessels

unable to withstand significant impacts

Researchers concluded that their function was not defensive, as their internal structure was too fragile to serve as armor.

[coarse juniper]

remember the isle doesnt have the real life animals

their genetically modifed

stego could have hard plates since its not the actual animal who knows

[tired quest]

there are Osteoderm around stego's neck to provide extra protection though

[warm blaze]

But anyway, you can clearly see that it's not robust; whether it's walking or running, the plates move. Be logical, how can it serve as a shield?

[coarse juniper]

would you rather take tiny detail realism over the balance and enjoyment of the players?

[warm blaze]

From what I've seen, the developers want to make something realistic.

[tired quest]

we got very realistic fish that floats in the sky

[warm blaze]

We're talking about playable dinosaurs, not AI; you're off-topic.

[cyan flame]

Looking at most playables, not really, more immersion over realism. As for stego, sure the plates aren't really armor, but the back pounce slots should go, since the plates would very much be in the way there.

[junior nymph]

@odd shell

[warm blaze]

I completely disagree with you.

[cyan flame]

Over the realism or the plates being in the way of a pounce?

[warm blaze]

Because if you agree with that, it means the allo won't be able to pounce it.
If it bothers the rex, it must also bother the other species.

[cyan flame]

Not necessarily, rex bites down, crushing past the plates but aren't actually trying to sit on the stego and hold on to it while attacking. And allo, and other pouncers can still pounce the sides

[limber hull]

the dropbear herrera, the pouncing allo, the ramming pachy, the shadow clone dilo, the scorpion stego, the tailslamming teno, the 46.8km/hr maia, the headswinging carno, the bacterial biting cerato, the penguin beipi, and the omni/troodon in question:

[limber hull]

good, that sounds great

allo/raptor/troodon pouncing the back of a stego looks ridiculous

[odd shell]

i see

[cyan flame]

It really does, and the plates would be in the way, armor or not, much more than if something just hits over the plates with a normal attack

[odd shell]

i was thinking today about how my stego got pounced by an allo, i bucked for a while but it didn't do anything, eventually he decided to get off and bite me and i landed 2 tail attacks vs his two bites and he killed me first.. putting aside the pounce mechanic, doesn't the head take increased damage? maybe the stegos flanks should have a defensive stat so u take less damage from bad attacks

stego is built like a wall and very akward to bite..

[cyan flame]

Head usually have a 1.5 multiplier, stego has 2.0, and as you might expect, pachy and the ceratopsids have a lower one due to hard head and frills. Bucking is RNG and may or may not help you, so it's not very useful overall

[warm blaze]

It's not built like a wall; you're clearly mistaking it for an ankylosaurus. Its only weapon is the spikes on its tail, not magical shock-absorbing plates, your ideas don't hold water: its plates can't withstand violent impacts. If you want to make it an invulnerable tank, own up to it instead of concocting absurd biological justifications
That's all I have to say.

[tired quest]

They could make the Thagomizer deal more bleed damage if they decide to nerf its raw damage output. However, it still needs to be strong enough to deter one or two rexes—so they know that if they brute-force it and try to tank the damage, they could still bleed out later from the wounds

[limber hull]

they did that lol

[tired quest]

feels like stego still getting munch by rexes like doritos

or maybe there is just too many rexes running around

[cyan flame]

It kind of is built like a cube, funnily enough, so while it lacks armor, it's a rather well built critter. Also the point of the plates isn't to absorb damage but that they are literally in the way of pouncing there. It's purely a physical obstacle for clinging on the back. And as pointed out, not realism, so technically the plates could be armor in the game

[wooden agate]

dont they already kinda work like armor anyway

i feel like i remember years ago, stego plates getting locational damage because pteranodons kept harassing them via pecking the plates

[warm blaze]

Tell me, which dinosaur is the predator of the Stego?

[wooden agate]

maybe not exactly in the way youre suggesting but like, i do think they already have a somewhat defensive property to them

... from a demon bird that falls out of the sky now when it attacks anyway so said defensive property is useless...

[cyan flame]

I think so, yes, though most things would bite through, and pounce does not care, does it? And the suggestion isn't armor, rather just that there are no pounce slots on top of the plates

[wooden agate]

yes i would also like that

i just wanted to point out the devs are atleast open to the idea of plates being treated different from the rest of the animal

so good chance of no pounce slot me thinks

[limber hull]

cant wait to see the community reaction to that change lol

[cyan flame]

Rex, allos, omnis, ceratos can I think, some other herbis if that counts

[wooden agate]

they can eat dirt for all i care

[limber hull]

eat dirt and cry

[muted socket]

is there an admin that can help on offical us 7

[odd shell]

wall

[wooden agate]

that is possibly the most inaccurate horrific stegosaurus you could've shown

he is pain

[limber hull]

goddamn what did they do to my guy

[olive abyss]

I would like to report an issue where I lost my Rex due to a game bug. While I was playing, the game suddenly showed an error and crashed. After restarting the game and logging back into my account, I noticed that my Rex was no longer there.

This loss was not caused by any mistake on my part, but by the crash/bug in the game. I have a video recorded that clearly shows the error, the crash, and the situation before and after it happened.

I am requesting help to investigate this issue and, if possible, restore my Rex or provide a solution. Thank you for your attention and support.

[warm blaze]

I'm talking about reality, not the game. The predators are the Torvosaurus, the Ceratosaurus, and the Allosaurus, the latter most often hunting the Stego. The Rex is much more powerful and imposing than these, so it seems logical to me that a lone Rex could kill a Stego. I agree that it hits hard, but the Stego isn't an Apex. Adding protection against the Rex being crushed would be a total imbalance because, as I mentioned, the Stego uses its tail repeatedly; it would have already done five attacks, while the Rex would have bitten less than twice. This isn't verified, though; I'm just making assumptions to say that everything will need to be rebalanced.

[wooden agate]

the game doesnt care about reality

[warm blaze]

No, I'd say it's mostly the community and the player who don't care.

[cyan flame]

Right, but this is the game we're talking about, and realism does not matter for the game. And since it is a game, things have to be adjusted for that. In real life, stego never met rex, never adapted for it, but in the game they exist together, so that is then taken into account. Like with every other critter the game that did not exist together, or did not exist at all. And stego is not an apex, or not a proper one, but it is powerful since it has to be to survive rex, and later giga and acro and so on.

[odd shell]

chat i have an idea

[cyan flame]

No, its the game, its not realistic. Omni is literally not real, our spino is a JP kaiju, and so on.

[warm blaze]

The thing with you is that he has to fight, whereas fleeing is also a survival option.

[cyan flame]

And the argument wasnt making stego plates armor vs rex, but to remove the back pounce slots due to the plates physically being in the way of clinging on there

[cyan flame]

It is, it was tried, and didn't work too well, so theyre trying bleeder/stunner stego right now

But how stego should survive a rex has nothing to do with realism, but what makes sense and is fun for the players

[limber hull]

as long as murdersprint and prime elder rex exist, fleeing is quite literally not an option

you fight

[wooden agate]

brother we have a climbing herrerasaurus

reality is out the window

dondi himself says this whenever someone brings up realism

[odd shell]

i fled from 2 rexes, but i did spot them from a good distance

[limber hull]

people who genuinely still believe this game cares about realism are genuinely fooling themselves

there is literally lore about unfeathered, unrealistic gallis outcompeting and killing the entire population of feathered gallis because the unfeathered ones were far more aggressive

[warm blaze]

It's just you players who don't want it to be realistic. You just have to look at the official servers, mixpacks everywhere, herbivores hunting carnivores without them being hostile. You say the game isn't realistic, but when you compare it to The Isle videos on YouTube—I'm talking about scenes where, for example, a pack of omnivores is hunting a diablo—that's realistic. Aging is realistic, they make sure it's realistic. It's just you who aren't playing realistically, that's all.

[cyan flame]

Why are you bringing up players when the devs have designed all the playables, and we have strains and gen1 "humanoids" and such, those aren't player decisions. Yeah, the game can be immersive, but not realistic. There are plenty of things in the game that aren't realistic, literally JP inspired, non existent critters, and more.

[lucid robin]

wait.. as someone who knows like nothing about isle lore, THATS A THING?

[cyan flame]

Omnis hunting a diablo in a trailer is immersive, yes, realistic, no, because omni and pouncing like that is not a real thing, oh and our diablo is oversized by quite a bit though that might change

Or if you do prefer to call it realistic, sure, but game design still takes precedence, so saying stego plates don't work like that IRL means nothing, they can work like that in the game if the devs want them to

[warm blaze]

Yeah, but you've been playing on details. I know very well that the omniraptor is an invention and that it never existed.

[limber hull]

lol yea

the feathered ones used to be passive herbivores, but the unfeathered ones started expressing omnivorous behaviours, got aggressive with kicking, stole eggs, etc

like that's the level of unrealistic we're dealing with here

[lucid robin]

i mean considering galli players kick literally everything, i guess it's accurate lmao

[cyan flame]

Well, you're the one that brought up IRL stego plates and mentioned that the game is realistic/aiming for realism.

[limber hull]

the realistic galli was quite literally canonically COMPETED OUT OF EXISTENCE lmao

[lucid robin]

honestly i dont want TI to focus on realism, it should focus on fun gameplay and put realism second, cuz if i wanted full realism i'd just go live in the woods irl 💀

[limber hull]

yea exactly

what the isle does emphasis is immersion

it does unrealistic things in a way that seems believable enough that it fooled thousands of players into thinking the game was meant to be realistic

[cyan flame]

Maybe its not immersive to let stego fight rex I guess. Though Im not sure how an allo or omni sitting on top of stego plates is all that immersive either.

[limber hull]

like, credit where credit is due, it tricked players into thinking animals performing actions that quite literally would instantly kill it in real life were realistic lmao

[lucid robin]

yeah lol, they're good at immersion

[warm blaze]

In short, yes, I'm talking about realism, and I play on a realistic server, so toxic players on other servers are a thing of the past. I'm not going to continue this debate; it's pointless. I've said what I had to say, whether it's my opinion on the players in the community or Stego's suggestion. You're sticking to your guns, and I'm sticking to mine. It's a dialogue of the deaf. Have a good day.

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

[mental mountain]

#general-feedback message did I cook

[wooden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/you-bait-like-a-noob-gman-blocked-you-gif-16304853792972598589

[mental mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-iii-nobody-move-a-muscle-alan-grant-dont-move-a-muscle-nobody-move-gif-17362021

#general-feedback message @maiden anvil click escape in game rq

[limber hull]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[mental mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-the-batman-the-batman-riddler-screaming-no-gif-25548501

[limber hull]

tbh tho i'm kinda hoping the eyeless aren't scrapped so we actually do get to see the whole "don't move or it kills you" gimmick

also on that note i hope the eyeless rely on sound to navigate

[mental mountain]

They're probably just going to make see normal judging by how version 2 of Gen 1 looks

It's basically an eyeless

But eyeless is different from gen 1 so it's interesting

[junior nymph]

@lost acorn

follow this and it should give more FPS

[boreal sparrow]

Also make sure lumen and any foliage physics are off

[south cedar]

can anyone fact check this

[wooden agate]

its what's been recommended after an update for years

[south cedar]

o7

[junior nymph]

wdym fact check?

we have been doing this since the engine upgrade of ue4-ue5 all the way in 2023, every time the engine upgrades you do this

[wooden agate]

@humble brook #general-feedback message dying of old age is optional (and barely even encouraged depending on some species and their prime). you could also find an unofficial server that has disabled the elder system.

[limber hull]

also the ability of your dino to die of old age typically has no impact on your employment prospects lmao

[humble brook]

ive always entombed before but i was told dying of old age is a thing but okay then

[wooden agate]

what

[limber hull]

entombing IS dying of old age

[wooden agate]

^

[limber hull]

you dont have to do it if you dont feel like it

[wooden agate]

that... that is how you die of old age. thats how its optional

[humble brook]

having to entomb because you get weaker, means more time spent on growing a juvi which in higher pop servers is more time consuming,

[wooden agate]

if you hit prime, you're basically on the same level (if not a bit stronger) than a normal adult though? you trade minimal damage for a decent chunk more health?

the speed nerfs are pretty rough but again, managable if you hit prime

[humble brook]

idk seems like youre being punished for succeeding

[limber hull]

if you entomb, not only do you get all of your past life mutations, but all mutations, including those old ones, are buffed, so you're still rewarded

[humble brook]

right, but then youre a juvi again, hop into a sanct to get camped and then restart. idk maybe a skill isue but allot of people are struggling to get past juvi. more of a higher pop server than anything tho

[wooden agate]

i mean thats kind of a risk you take when joining a higher pop server though? there is going to be more threats

you have more hunting oppurtunities but also more threats

[limber hull]

i mean, that's the idea, to encourage the constant life and death of juvi to adult to elder, as opposed to seeing juvis and subs to merely a means to an end of engaging in the PvP battlecage

also yea, higher pops are going to have more threats

[wooden agate]

i do think there could potentially be a bit more done to prevent sanctuary camping from larger carnivores (on the outskirts atleast), but most sanctuaries are pretty open and have like... every direction to escape from

except for SP sanctuary, thats like the only one i can think of that severely limits options of escape

[limber hull]

lots of people REALLY like going to highlands sanctuary and exploding tho lmao

since there's a colossal amount of traffic from adults and juvis alike, and a LOT less cover than most sancs

[wooden agate]

i do think there should probably be a system in place to try and avoid instant death with entombed animals as well. maybe avoiding spawns with a high pop around them?

[vivid acorn]

@maiden anvil If you press escape whilst in the game you can see a button saying "Tutorial" They're already adding this feature to the game.

[maiden anvil]

Oh… I didn’t know that lol

But that’s great! It’s all I wanted really

[lost acorn]

Thanks for the tip, I'll give it a try.

[dawn hound]

ts is not jurassic park 😭

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message BRUH

[normal shuttle]

please tell me it's bait

[wooden agate]

valiant dont fall for it

resist

[normal shuttle]

out of all non avian theropods, tyrannosaurus is one of the few that we know of that this thing wouldnt work AT ALL

tbf Poe's law hits hard there

since JP misinfo is everywhere

and the general public just kinda accepted it

#general-feedback message

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/cow-flying-cow-holy-cow-helicopter-gif-gif-18139013818888135988

[wooden agate]

yeah but catag,,,,, hes a regular,,,, have faith in thou peers,,,

[normal shuttle]

Noted

[wooden agate]

infact im going to UPVOTE IT im so faithful

[normal shuttle]

elder maia jumping

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

this just seems like objectively the best mutation that you should always pick

[normal shuttle]

literally

why would I not want a mut that lets my dinosaur be functionally immortal

never aging and keeping my inflated numbers for as long as I live

[boreal sparrow]

I'm sure some of these aren't real

[cyan flame]

But since the game is based on JP, I woul say it's a perfectly fine suggestion, depending on how much like JP you want the game to be. And if they're going to try out limited color vision and potentially other things like that, why not give this a try too. It is "accurate" to the game's theme after all, just look at omni and rex.

[junior nymph]

@fast hearth yea thats a bug

I think it happens with raptor too when you get pinned? could be wrong

[fast hearth]

Yeh it's a bloody nightmare.

[junior nymph]

yea 🙁

[fast hearth]

The worst thing is, had ample opportunity to run and jump on something that the allos couldn't get to after they had pounced.
But because of the bug, could not move anywhere

[golden horizon]

@maiden anvil I feel like to rework the "perfect diet" stuff is you need to be above 75-60% on all three diets, so it compliments the eldering system.

sorry if my wording is scuffed im tired xD

[maiden anvil]

It’s fine lol. Tho idk how much I follow😅

[wooden agate]

@main tusk are you on evrima?

[junior nymph]

@deft token are you on hordetest or evrima?

[deft token]

@junior nymph evrima - EVRIMA PUBLIC BRANCH No hordetest

[junior nymph]

hm. have you tried verifying game files? because thats an issue with you not the game

can you send a picture of your full menu screen?

because this is the version we are on rn, if you arent on this version thats your issue

[deft token]

@junior nymph

[junior nymph]

thats so weird

what server did you try to join?

was it an official

[deft token]

@junior nymph

[junior nymph]

some servers arent updated

try something like petits pieds and see if you have the same issue

[golden horizon]

@icy lion I found the bug in community server, and according to the bug report thing online, it says "(Unofficial server reports will not be accepted.)".
So is there no point in reporting this bug ?

[icy lion]

If it can be recreated on an official server, you can report it

[golden horizon]

It should be, its basically where carno cant get pounced

if he is holding RMB

And I dont get the everything have to occur on official servers, I thought Dondi wanted everything to move to community servers, no ?

[junior nymph]

that maybe is intended

maybe. But yes it happens on officials

[golden horizon]

how is that intended ?

If he just holds RMB which doesnt cost any stam, he is immune to omni pounces

[junior nymph]

yea

it could be a bug, could not be just do a report

[golden horizon]

which wasnt a thing before the update

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message @neat kite what do you mean?

Hordetest is over, the update dropped. its in EVRIMA now

[mental mountain]

dawg who took the bait THIS far

[coarse juniper]

sent you a whole ass research paper 😭😭

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message LMAO

[normal shuttle]

Lmfaoooo

[granite flare]

any admins out there got any tips to make the admin panel speed up when searching for users or when the chat box disappears when you go into spec mode?

[vernal jacinth]

#server-hosting

[latent olive]

@narrow cypress although that’s a nice message, please leave #general-feedback for feedback

👍

[vernal jacinth]

@south dome they already do…

[south dome]

it knocks you out of the air

If it didn't I would be playing the Isle

[ancient kestrel]

#general-feedback message
Should we tell them that's the Isle is still WIP game, so expecting it to have smooth gameplay with no issues is weird?
(well at least untill it's not close to release)

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[tiny salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/sudoku-gif-9429499

#general-feedback message

I believe its seppuku you are thinking of. But i do agree with the 95% stat tapper

[dusk sable]

can somone help me, im stuck right now and i did the unstuck command, and it didnt work

im still stuck right now and i need some help

[boreal sparrow]

#general-feedback message
why dont we turn off team damage if we are in a group next? /s

[vale pawn]

How does preventing griefing hatchlings turn to friendly fire off entirely 💀

[boreal sparrow]

its a slippery slope

[vale pawn]

A slope entirely preventable

The friendly fire in hatchlings can simply turn be turned back on once when theyre no longer hatchlings

[boreal sparrow]

first people complain about hatchlings then its the next thing, friendly fire isnt gonna be off i can almost guarantee you now

[vale pawn]

Then those people are wrong about wanting friendly fire off entirely

@chilly ermine i would also add making hatchlings entirely unable to grief their nests also

[wintry cipher]

if hatchlings could eat each other i could see an argument to be made to let hatchlings damage each other because then if your parents do not adequately feed you you can still fight for survival. But since you can't and are entirely dependent on your parents for food- I don't see this as being detrimental tbh.

[vale pawn]

That should only apply for deino since i believe its the only hatchling that cannot be fed

[chilly ermine]

good point

[chilly ermine]

Not sure why thats a slippery slope. The dev team knows the vision of the game and wouldn't add anything that doesn't fit the design. Gameplay changes aren't like dominos.

[boreal sparrow]

slippery slope of complaints, none of it fits the game thats why eggs can be private

[vale pawn]

It seems that this argument against this suggestion is based on a 3rd party hypothetical, rather than the suggestion itself

[boreal sparrow]

no solution is private your eggs you dont need friendly fire g

[strange wave]

the only use case for hatchlings being able to damage eachother is if theres one hatchling purposefully spam calling to try and get the whole nest killed, and the parent cant kill them without flattening half the other babies

[gaunt pasture]

Half the stuff the devs add don’t fit the game either way lmaoo like elder system game
Went from growing to 100% to finally be able to use your fg strength to grow and die

[limber hull]

elder absolutely fits the game wdym lmao

[gaunt pasture]

Nobody wants to grind hours growing their Dino for it to weaken at 100%

Some people have jobs and can’t play as often

I died as a fg plenty of times there’s no reason for it to weaken,
Not to mention you go infertile one time and you can kiss any hopes of being prime out the window which as a deino main happens often

[limber hull]

i like having a gameloop more personally than reaching adult then kinda just not doing anything

[latent olive]

I love that the elder system gives me things to do after reaching adult stage

such as be old and walk around and die

[gaunt pasture]

Nah fr like what

You have like 90 min of prime and than you have nothing to do but die bc you weaken.

[latent olive]

because when I respawn (although I would like to play something else sometimes so I’d like to save the mutations for the species I just entombed)

[gaunt pasture]

So fun

[limber hull]

before i reached adult and then i realised i actually kinda preferred the growth to get there, but didn't just wanna murder my time investment so it was kinda just lose-lose

now entombing actually gives me a way to restart with benefits

[latent olive]

you entomb and respawn with stronger mutations and do it all again

I did this as Herrera twice and tried to go about it a third time before getting highlands-sanctuaried

[gaunt pasture]

I’m sorry if I want to enjoy my 100% fg life that I worked hard
For 😔✌️

oh well tho at least there’s ai for my deino now

And I do like the entomb system tho that’s nice

[vale pawn]

Im sure elder dinos keep their top stats for much longer than 90 minutes, depending on the size atleast

Went maia which was my first "large" tier dino in a while, it felt like FOREVER to finally entomb

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

wow an amazing feedback. a glorious day

[gentle lichen]

As troodon being one of my mains. I am not sure about this tho

[wooden agate]

i mean its different from current troodon for sure, but i think it actually really interesting and honestly kind of what i expected from the concept art?

[gentle lichen]

Maybe not for the troodon. Maybe that be something for a new dinosaur to come

[gentle lichen]

Can you show me the concept art again? I do not remember it

[wooden agate]

ill go snatch it

[gentle lichen]

Where can i find them anyways. I was googling several some days ago but id like to have all of em in one list or something

[wooden agate]

let me check something rq, i think i have a discord server that has alot of the concept art archived

well a) heres the troodon concept art and b) do you want an invite to that server

[gentle lichen]

Why not

[wooden agate]

kk, gotta wait for an admin there to send me a link lol

[gentle lichen]

Kk thx

[mortal parrot]

Troodon's venom is pretty underwhelming atm, its just a basic damage multiplier with Dilo's effects copy and pasted, I expanded on the idea to make it more interesting and encourage more of a group hunting playstyle since the current venom doesn't really do that

Solo is pretty much the same with larger things slightly more difficult to hunt but larger groups are much stronger and threatening to go against and the idea rewards good coordination where the current venom doesn't really do that.

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
That's literally a DbD killer moveset

[limber hull]

LMAO TRUE

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

trike isn't that strong, if anything, trike needs to be closer to stego, stego doesn't need a nerf

the rex v stego matchup is legit skill-based and fun

the rex v trike matchup is very uh

repetitive and simplistic

[tropic nymph]

@tiny salmon seems youre at the same place i am #general-feedback message

[chrome quail]

@tranquil finch #general-feedback message

What nerf does Rex need @tranquil finch

[tranquil finch]

needs to not be so strong

[chrome quail]

😭✌️ then nerf stego and trike

With Rex aswell

[chrome quail]

Like fracture or damage wise?

[tranquil finch]

Yes

[chrome quail]

Then stego will be stronger than it?

[tranquil finch]

yeah that’s how it should be

[chrome quail]

U serious?

[tranquil finch]

yes

[chrome quail]

Say u swear

[tranquil finch]

bro what

stego should be either stronger or faster

[chrome quail]

It should be faster but not stronger