general-feedback-discussion

[twin temple]

Remove all safe drinking spots

[fast garnet]

Deino main right there lol

[twin temple]

How did you know

[fast garnet]

Lol

[icy lion]

@rain stone DM me please!

[minor sentinel]

@fading shadow it's probably Allos foot bug or the hacker thing going on or both that's taking so long.

[indigo gulch]

to be fair, there are quite a lot of them. Like some people say, if you get grabbed by a deino, you are lacking map knowledge.

I haven't been grabbed by a deino in ages. And the big spots like SP, Highlands and west rail have a lot of safe drinking spots as well. Heck, even north lake, one of the deino spawns, has multiple safe spots to drink. How are you ever gonna catch anything?

[dapper pelican]

this is an understandable take but (this is for the devs) is weak sauce imho - to elim this issue simply dont pay based on ban quotas or enforce any form of ban qouta and just simply pay the admins for a flat amt of work per week (say 5-10hrs or something) plus it also gives working hours that the admins can build a schedule around rather than feeling a need 2 always be available which is probably adding stress to them

plus cant a false ban just be appealed after the fact and undone if investigated?

[ornate pewter]

A safe drinking spot

Also known as, a very unsafe place where land predators lay in wait.

Just because a spot is safe from Deino doesn't mean it's safe from other predators.

I don't see Herrera players demanding open fields removed.

[dapper pelican]

plus admins could also monitor for general abuse + troll behaviours in the instance of no/less hackers if theyre finding themselves with nothing to do and 'need a reason' to get paid

basically im saying devs shouldnt pay admins to ban people, they should pay admins to keep the game community healthy lol

[loud sierra]

I think the comparison you're making between Herrera & Deino is inaccurate & misleading because the current map doesn't afford Deino any viable places to hunt, in the manner it's designed to, while Herrera doesn't have this problem.

[slim hazel]

How yall feel about my hipsi idea 😀

[limber hull]

keeps the unique part of hypsi climbing while allowing micro-adjustments to make said gimmick more usable and fun

so yea good one

[queen locust]

#general-feedback message at least make the trolling believable

[ornate pewter]

In many ways you're right. Especially when it comes to map design.

Deino is an aquatic playable, barely semi-aquatic.

Unfortunately, its focus on the aquatic environment is not deeply shared with the rest of the roster.

It is quite unreasonable for the developers to design the map to suit Deino's exclusive aquatic nature when most of the playables don't share it's affinity.

At the moment, Deino is a gimmick, a side project.

Personally, I don't think anything needs to be done with "Safe water spots" real crocodiles must contend with a world where some animals drink where they are not.

I like the idea of a basking system, that slows hungers or otherwise emphasizes the slow reptilian metabolism, allowing Deino to wait for meals longer.

[loud sierra]

Personally, I think it's far more unreasonable for the map design to preclude a playable from having any influence on anything other than its own species. You made a great point about the notion of safe drinking spots being a fallacy, but I think there are currently far too many places to drink without any risk of being grabbed by a Deino. The sheer abundance of such spots means that, in practice, the risk of encountering a terrestrial predator lurking at one is inconsequential when weighed against the risk of drinking where one can be grabbed by a Deino while still being at risk from the land as well. The crux of Deino's problem isn't that it can't afford to wait between potential meals--though this is a problem, & one I think a basking system would address well--it's that the abundance of safe drinking spots & crossing points mean that other playables have no reason to ever put themselves at risk of being grabbed by a Deino.

[junior nymph]

I like the idea of deinos mainly living in the main river as they do now

while all the other semi aquatic creatures can harbor the places that arent close to the central river, for example barys living in the south river

[indigo gulch]

And the problem of those is that it completely shuts down deinos. Other predators have other chances to hunt and deino doesnt

Always found this such a dumb argument

No place is 100% safe of predators, so we can’t call anything a safe spot

Deino relies on creatures going to drink water to ambush. It simply doesn’t get another chance.

[ornate pewter]

Though perhaps only partially related. There is the often cited Spiro statistic to consider, wherein Deino efficiency grew so great that they once persistantly made up 75% of all players.

There is a delicate balance that needs to be maintained. Deino's "Fun" comes at everyone else's expense. Some creatures can pin instantly killing you, but Deino uniquely attacks when people are most vulnerable.

I personally don't think Deino or any playable should NEED to kill players at all, and I would argue if you can't enjoy the game without doing so it's on you.

They could make AI that approach water regularly. Or just fix up fish. Both fixes that do not involve reworking the map so every drink spot is an environment for Deino.

[indigo gulch]

……every carnivore’s fun comes at someone else’s expense tho

Are you saying Deino should just hunt AI only for food like Ptera?

[normal shuttle]

Rework deino

[limber hull]

if every animal just sustains themselves off AI, doesn't that just destroy any semblance of an ecosystem and just lets you play rex on rex on rex

[normal shuttle]

Defeats the purpose of many of the smaller and more sustainable creatures

Even though they are not necessarily bad, it would be so miserable to have something like spino be just as sustainable as like an austro

[limber hull]

^

[normal shuttle]

If they can simply eat AI in an empty place

[limber hull]

the point of AI, at least as I see it, is to sustain the smaller carnivores who lack the power to kill a lot of the larger animals

[normal shuttle]

Also in turn makes many side mechanics like foraging kind of useless

Because foraging is there explicitly to give free food to certain animals, so you do not have to worry about sustaining them. But if everyone could live off AI, all it would take is to somehow exploit or optimize the spawning points for any carnivore

[normal shuttle]

And yeah it seems like the intention

Or for juveniles

[limber hull]

dibble AI obviously is the exception but look what it did to the ecosystem

[ornate pewter]

Perhaps Dibble (And Galli AI) is what they intend. Maybe they want to sustain larger playable without requiring PVP, except perhaps in competition for food sources.

Maybe we will see more such AI creatures in the future.

[limber hull]

god i hope not

its hurting both the social aspect of the game alongside the ecosystem element

and the hardcore element

animals that were meant to be "difficult to grow and sustain" are simple thanks to them, and playing as these creatures and being unable to tell if you see another player to socialise with or AI that cannot engage with you in any meaningful way is just bad

to me the addition of this AI just feels like it's doing the opposite of what the game advertises itself as

[urban flax]

The Isle : A World Designed to Keep you Well Fed

[safe vale]

Do yall have problems with crashing on HT? I have had it multiple times and only with semi aquatics. I am guessing it is the water that is crashing me

[fast terrace]

jesus dude

[loud sierra]

I've never played Spiro myself but I've heard many horror stories of the Deino plagues. I agree that there needs to be bodies of water that Deino can't hunt from, but I think these are overabundant. In my opinion large carnivores, especially apex predators, should have to hunt players in order to sustain themselves. My enjoyment of this game stems from the thrills & terrors that come from the animalistic 'kill, or be killed' environment, so I guess that is on me. To me, the concept of surviving on a.i. is painfully dull, as there's no challenge involved. The change to the map I would like to see most is a remapping of bridges & migration zones so that when players are travelling between migration zones they have to choose between making a river crossing at the desired travel line, or taking a long detour to get to a bridge.

[gleaming silo]

Atp just make adult rexes have slower swim speed than smaller rexes so this doesnt happen

[frozen heron]

@covert tiger Phone numbers can easily be spoofed.

There are quite literally public websites for it, you don't need to download sketchy stuff for it

[covert tiger]

Nope, I'm not talking about spoofing. You need to be able to authenticate with it, and that's not possible unless you buy a second phone with a sim installed with that number.
There's a reason they're used for just about everything to confirm identity.

[frozen heron]

Spoofing and authentication with that spoofed number still exists. It's extremely easy to bypass considering i was able to go on a website just now within a minute and confirm it still works.

Auth works for like.. keeping your account safe, but not for cases like this

[minor sentinel]

@full heart I think they are doing that.

[limber hull]

@marsh yarrow #general-feedback message

rather than making nesting even harder to do with more pre-requisites, why not let broadcasts be exactly that, broadcasts, where you can send messages at far greater distances, making it easier to find new people or tell others that may be nearby something important?

it would give 1 calls a purpose without making nesting, something already infamous for being too hard to do in regular gameplay, harder

[marsh yarrow]

At first I linked the idea of ​​calls to the nest, but I feel that this sound system could be better used, this is a suggestion just to open the mind to an even better system.

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

its amazing what can be learned by reading #announcements for literally 2 seconds

[limber hull]

i refuse

[shrewd ore]

@zinc fjord you can change the color of the ui. it can be blue, red, green, or white. not much but at least its something

[zinc fjord]

I'll try green then, still it's very intensive and bright

[shrewd ore]

yeah, hopefully they do allow the old and new to be cycled tho

[crude girder]

Man

what is the point of feedback that is "What is this?"

Do you like it? Dislike it? What is someone supposed to glean from a question with nothing about how you feel regarding a feature?

[limber hull]

like idk if he even read the patch notes at all to know that "hey we're testing a new UI lol"

[zinc fjord]

Oh boy, I do not like the new stam/diet layout either. Just loaded into the server

[shrewd ore]

Yeah! It needs to be changeable. It feels like a mobile game now

[limber hull]

i dont get a mobile game impression at all from it tbh

not sure what you mean

[shrewd ore]

It just looks kinda unprofessional imo

[limber hull]

it is actively unfinished

that's why it's on the testing branch

i like what they're going for at least tho

[serene sluice]

why put on this very very unfinished ui they can obviously tell its worse

[limber hull]

because they need to test it

on the testing branch

[serene sluice]

test it how why not finish it first then test it

why put in a half baked ui that with no way to change back

[limber hull]

testing is required to finish something lmao

[serene sluice]

yes but its not even close to finished and the devs can see that the ui looks bad

you dont got to test to see that its bad

[zinc fjord]

I'm not getting too much of a mobile game impression, but it's a very radical change and not properly optimized/adjustable for the audience yet. So it feels very lackluster/unprofessional/low quality, which might be giving it that mobile game feel.

[serene sluice]

this is exactly how im feeling

[zinc fjord]

Also changing it to white kind of helps with eye strain. I'm still not a fan.

[shrewd ore]

Exactly

[crude girder]

Tbh would rather not have seen the update delayed even more to finish the UI when it's largely irrelevant to gameplay

I can take the status report being janky and having to mouse over stats after pressing enter if it means no more speed mutations on land and rex crush adjustments lol

[zinc fjord]

Oh, the UI does not keep the color change retroactively. It'll change back to blue after you come back to main menu from being in-game. I don't like that

Also I miss the old diet icons. It made sense. ):

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

it's WIP

"Spending time on HUD development can be better spent elsewhere, more than likely."

What do you want a UI artist to do besides UI lmao

[viral perch]

UI makes my autism cry

[tranquil vale]

Do we know when or if the AU1 HT server is coming back?

[karmic rain]

The games crashing lots of ping and no dibble ai..... pls admins revers it back to what it was....

[limber hull]

no dibble AI? that's such good news

[karmic rain]

not when theres 60 people and ur a prime rex

[limber hull]

if you're a prime rex, you shouldn't be feeding purely on AI

you gotta hunt for real

[karmic rain]

like i said theres 60 people and incredibly high ping

put days of work into this. It just feels disappointing that i cant play it

[noble dove]

You tellin me they have a UI artist that they pay full time to release this when it was fine before? Bad resource allocation if you ask me

They could have rolled out the UI when it was finished instead of including it with the rest of the patch

[limber hull]

they could also roll out rex when it's finished

but that defeats the point of the HT

[noble dove]

I mean, why work on the UI at all is my point

[limber hull]

they rolled out rex, elders, and all these other mechanics before they were finisehd

[limber hull]

because they want a better UI going forward? i dont see what the issue is

[noble dove]

but this one is objectively worse. I can see tweaking the previous UI, but an overhaul seems unneccessary

[limber hull]

it's objectively unfinished, yes

[noble dove]

what was bad about the old one?

See what I mean?

[limber hull]

i assume it doesn't match the theme they want for with the game's narrative design and they want it to look cleaner

why change anything?

[noble dove]

If this is the "narrative design" theyre going for I dont like it

and thats just my opinion, sure

[karmic rain]

its causing lots of ping

[noble dove]

Seems like many others share my opinion

[limber hull]

well obviously first drafts aren't that impressive lol

[noble dove]

Yeah I hope you're right and it looks better after... what, a couple months until the next patch?

[limber hull]

what?

[noble dove]

It'll take them a while to improve this one. I wish they'd just keep the old one

[limber hull]

why would it take them a while

they literally acknowledge the issues with it and what they're going to fix and improve over the HT

this isn't going live

[noble dove]

Yes, but how long until they improve it is what I'm saying? Are we going to have to wait 2 months in order to play with a servicable UI on hordetest?

idk tbh Ive only had the game for 2 months this development cycle is new to me

from what ive heard from other players, development is slow. I just hope efforts on UI arent being wasted

[tired quest]

we will probably get another broken patch before Christmas like back then when herrera came out
and live with it for another 2 months
Im still waiting for them to deliver a proper playable version of evrima

[limber hull]

god ain't you all bundles of joy lmao

[noble dove]

oh mb brother i forgot to take my happy pills

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

when did they make trike faster lol, i dont think they ever did that

[iron parrot]

bro what is this i rubberband backwards i went to log in on EU 2 its horrible then i went to check if EU 1 on my elder and it spawned me on my EU 2 dino? and got rid of my elder dino on EU 1

[dense mesa]

ui bad

[raven sky]

@jovial hound that's the point dude. It's supposed to look retro, that's the style they're going for

[iron parrot]

it mixed both my dinos on 2 diffrent servers and got rid of my dino

[jovial hound]

its ass dude it strains your eyes and looka cheat an like it shouldnt exist dude. 90 percent of this update was ass you buff trike who can already run down a rex with speed and turn buff you nerf the already EXTREMElY slow pergression as a rex. Prioritizing herbies to make them almost unstopable is isane to me

[limber hull]

the hell are you talking about with trike lol

[jovial hound]

the update? the buffed turn speed and other things

[limber hull]

for juvis and subs

[junior nymph]

your first sentence didnt make much sense, but I like the UI it goes for what they want

@outer canyon you can change the colour of the UI, I have mine on green

[limber hull]

juvi and sub trikes are far worse than juvi and sub rexes, they needed it to compete with the rexes

adult trikes are still the same

[quaint hearth]

I definitely think that the UI has potential, but maybe they could at least add the option to turn down some of the glowing for visually impaired if the consensus is on keeping the glow at its current level (understanding its a wip!), some of it was causing genuine eyestrain and problems for me reading

[jovial hound]

what do you mean!??!?!?!

trikes get to 3 tons in the first 2 hours while rex is still under 1 ton for the first 3 hours there was already no competition unless the rex had been growing for over 5 hours or so to kill a 2 hour trike like what do you even play the game?

[outer canyon]

ok found it but at the same time these colours are not friendly to my brain lol their all to harsh and the palelt isnt balanced its also sharpe and hurts my eyes on littrally every colour ....

[limber hull]

rex gets a ton of speed and dibble's weight doesn't stop a competent rex from just running around it and biting its ass

rex gets so many unique states throughout its growth, whereas trike is just "worse than adult" most of its life

[jovial hound]

ehh if so then its not the
competency of the rex its the incompency of the dibble

[limber hull]

trike now has an actually somewhat interesting growth curve like rex does

also i meant trike earlier, not dibble

[rotund surge]

just asking, can someone explain why they removed the movement speed from noct and tissue?

[junior nymph]

because they were meta and people have been begging for it since they released

good change for the games health

[frank tapir]

does this mean if you take either of the mutations you're supposed to only have two extra when you entomb instead of the usual three? that seems overly punishing

[rotund surge]

I didn't know. I just liked it to travel and roam around, especially as something smaller.

[limber hull]

no, you're not supposed to carry them over with them. That means as a nested child or entombed dino, you can still change gender

[frank tapir]

am I misunderstanding or is that really discouraging if you want to entomb?

[limber hull]

why would it be?

[frank tapir]

if you take either of the mutations you'll gain less from entombing because you'll only have two bonus ones

[rugged tendon]

guys horde is bugged or what my ping is 500

[tranquil vale]

Yeah, the rubber banding makes it unplayable. Something is not healthy with the servers.

[covert lantern]

carno colors stay like that for ever ?

[limber hull]

no

[covert lantern]

how you know

[limber hull]

devs said so

[covert lantern]

where did they talk about it

[limber hull]

patch notes

[urban flax]

#announcements

[loud sierra]

Not being able to sustain a prime apex predator by exclusively eating defenceless, infinitely respawning, a.i. does not make the game unplayable. Quite the opposite, actually.

[limber hull]

lmao

very well said

#general-feedback message

shouldn't it do the opposite?

[sharp pollen]

guys server is so laging pls do smt with that

and bring back old menu

this sucks

[urban flax]

@covert lantern Very old animals can't reproduce
Simple as that

[covert lantern]

Ah okay so they are infertile for ever

That makes sense tho

[agile snow]

Anyone else try cooking fish? cant seem to eat any it just bugs out and gives me nothing

[karmic rain]

ive repreated this so many times it is incredibly hard to sustain food when im on 300 ping and theres crashers every minute

[loud sierra]

Welcome to the AU Ht experience

[karmic rain]

bro it only started when they done this stupid update

[junior nymph]

@sullen pier the colours are a bug and are known, its not meant to be like that

[sullen pier]

phew

[normal shuttle]

Allo loses to rex

[urban flax]

source ?

[normal shuttle]

Nature.com

There’s a peer reviewed article on the matter

[urban flax]

AI-generated

[limber hull]

all the ai are peers

[urban flax]

Wen you think about it
Fabricated evidence is a form of artificial intelligence

[normal shuttle]

Thinkint about what could I write

Been a while without touching the game. I only grew one Rex in the HT and that’s it

[latent olive]

#general-feedback message

that would be so insanely funny if true

[urban flax]

The real solution against gamma users : the flashbang ™

[latent olive]

corythosaurus would go so hard

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message @old quest it’s a hordetest

Rex will be adjusted if it has any issues

And frankly it is more acceptable in design as of now than many other playables in the game atm in my opinion

(Mainly cera, dilo and deino)

I want carnivore ava so bad

Imagine cannibal mutation avaceratops

Jumping and biting

https://tenor.com/view/kaperoo-the-isle-evrima-avaceratops-gif-58401131792518616

[hallow bridge]

Hordetest is now unplayable XD, ui is cool but the lag is crazy. Most servers dont even have many players in

[timid basin]

yup and you can't even safe log lol

[hallow bridge]

yep, i had to take my rex to a bush and pray. just gotta wait for the lag to fix

[minor sentinel]

probably going to be fix in 1-3 days

[wary cargo]

back to rubberband mode and the rain is oppressive

must be hurricane season

[barren zephyr]

Im just not gonna touch the game for a while. This stuff isnt even officially released sooooo

[junior nymph]

@quiet sandal

[quiet sandal]

is it not permanent?

[inland vigil]

No it's a bug

[quiet sandal]

ohh ok now it makes a lil more sense

[junior nymph]

no its not permanent, but some species will be getting some more colours 🙂

[inland vigil]

It's under the list of "known issues"

[quiet sandal]

nice, i went depressed for a moment after thinking i lost my skins forever

[viral abyss]

Bro why they put a UI that look this bad

holy i can't stand looking at it anymore

[jovial vine]

@true hazel Unit 01 skin spotted

[vale blade]

nah man, the rain destroying my eardrums every 5 minutes is realistic and makes the game feel more immersive. dont you just enjoy having to lower your game volume every 5 minutes? so immersive!!!

[wary cargo]

even better is rubberbanding every 2 seconds and getting killed as soon as I spawn too.

the most broken build yet

[faint folio]

I suspect this is why they pushed a buggy update to HT. HordeTest is the stress testing server - the point is to fill up servers to max capacity and see if the server can handle the load. This tells them that the server is struggling and they need to optimize

They can work that into the patches for their known issues as well as other stuff, like overly frequent rain

[hallow bridge]

Wheres the time gone bro 😭

[viral abyss]

Please bring old UI back the color is bad the symbols make no sense and it just looks so bad

why are you changing things that were good and worked

[vernal pilot]

this is actually the most roblox looking ui

[viral abyss]

fr i could do this ui in paint in 30 min

[vernal pilot]

theres actually no way on gods green earth they thought this was a good ui upgrade, what idiots

a 1 week coder would do better than this

[viral abyss]

fr how are ppl saying its good their are some real glazers in this dc

[vale blade]

thats just islecord ppl bro xD

[vernal pilot]

the ping issues aswell, i gurantee you adding or changing any code in this game is like a minefield, its so scrambled they can mess up a completely unrelated issue

[vale blade]

• the rain destroying my eardrums every 5 mins xD

[vernal pilot]

ong

[spiral scaffold]

The rubber banding is too awful, you feel like you are not getting anywhere, trying to catch any Ai to feed is a nightmare, I am putting the game down for a bit, maybe ill go play evrima but eh

[vale blade]

the old tab menu was so neat and compact, the new one is so big for no reason and the neon blue colors dont rlly fit the dino theme, the old ui actually did with its green colors and u had yellow for the dino growth stages

[viral abyss]

the letters are so bad they make no sense and they feel so out of place

[grave portal]

Servers are so Lagging its insane you cannot even run for 5 sec u get lagged back

[vale blade]

exactly lmao

[vale blade]

it feels like someone saw greek letters for the first time ever and thought "wow that looks cool!"

[true hazel]

If we had to change it to letter why not C, L, and P? I don't see how these symbols are any better than the old ones. They're just as confusing, if not more!

[faint folio]

@unborn bridge the social UI being broken is a known issue with this patch - it's in the patch notes

[rose plinth]

Ptera dive being on ctrl is horrible. Maybe if the dive started on a double tap of ctrl it would be much better.

[icy lion]

@azure ruin The artists who make the ui are not the people who deal with improving the anticheat

Devs are always working on various anti-hacking measures

[lucid sinew]

Omg...the Isle Main menu Screen DOESN'T MAKE ME GO BLIND ANYMORE!

New U.I. kinda...feels like Roblux sandbox games...at least its easier to read statistcs now.

[azure ruin]

My opinion still stands.

[icy lion]

They have been addressing it, repeatedly

[lusty eagle]

#general-feedback message

@fast totem

A lot of the issues you addressed have been noted within the patch notes, like the scaling of certain UI Elements, etc.

And also the lag is being worked on. It's usually the case when a large change happens. Give it less than 24 hours and a patch will likely drop to fix it.

[sinful dome]

Does spawns codes are working on ht? I'm trying to spawn with my friend, but holding friendly call for accept do literally nothing.

[lusty eagle]

No. The new UI is still being worked on and tested, and it was stated in the announcement that the Group tab has several things that are currently not functional.

#general-feedback message

@errant canopy I don't believe this was mentioned as being added within the announcement.

[errant canopy]

If you have an adult rex hold down F and press call 1 he will scream mute

[faint folio]

@craggy charm I agree about the border - it was incredibly unique and gave the perfect environmental ambiance for an abandoned mad science laboratory in the jungle on a tropical island. I hope they bring it back in some form. That being said - I suspect the UI seems like a placeholder because it sort of is a placeholder - the patch notes say it's WIP and not complete. Hopefully they unify the styles of the different menus more in a future patch

[craggy charm]

Hopefully, I just miss that beautiful border. it was such a cool UI

[wintry cipher]

Hypno and Punch have been in chat saying theyre looking into the lag so hopefully they figure out whats going on soon ^^

[marsh dome]

👍

[craggy charm]

@vivid mason I agree with the skin colors. I wish we also had options for some nice dark underbellies and more jungle-y greens. It sucks when most dinosaurs are forced to have some pale underbelly

[lusty eagle]

Likely a left over thing from QA. The sound likely isn't implemented at the moment and neither is the animation.

[vale blade]

agreed

[quasi heath]

i liked it for the menu screen but not the ingameplay, that and opening it loud ah heehh

maybe just no neon

the christian alpha omega letters for the nutrients is also a little weird i dont get that choice

maybe for the roman references but my dumass was just calling it carbohydrates, lipids and proteins since the start while people were saying lines and such

[lusty eagle]

When you say opening it is loud, are referencing to the in-game character menu or the game opening?

[quasi heath]

in game character menu/escape menu

plus the buttons having their own sound for just being hovered on

i feel like my own keyboard is loud enough

[vale blade]

yea its so out of place, the old diet symbols represented their molecular structure, which was pretty cool

[quasi heath]

yee :(

[lusty eagle]

You can adjust the volume of the User Interface within the Audio Settings.

[quasi heath]

waow im dumb ty

i think my own feedback on the sound existing still stands though

could be anything more natural than that

[errant canopy]

yes

[steel shoal]

[faint folio]

Yeah that's fair. But the sound can be made less obnoxious without replacing the dilapidated computer terminal border

The menu sounds definitely were rather obnoxious, I freely admit

[quasi heath]

two seperate things i dislike but its up to the devs what they want their game to look like in the end 🤷

[wary cargo]

Yup I know just airing out my frustration on this channel instead of the general-feedback channel as it's not constructive criticism. Hopefully it will be patched soon as I would like to continue the Hordetest but at the moment I don't find it playable. I'd rather play another game and enjoy myself.

Hell I might even hop back on and be a glutton for punishment as I love this game

[quasi heath]

it seems so far that 20 players is the magic number on minimum lag on a no ai server im on atm

might be the footprints like i thought?

[wary cargo]

Last build was fine

[faint folio]

Ah no worries! Sometimes it's hard to tell what's just venting vs what is people genuinely expecting HT to run smoothly 100% of the time. Sorry to bug you

[vagrant elm]

my friend got the steam subsystem failure error

[icy lion]

@mint sonnet They're not meant to be proteins, carbs, and lipids anymore

[mint sonnet]

what are they? If you hover over them in the character menu I think it says proteins, carbs, etc.

[icy lion]

Alpha, beta, gamma

They're just labels for fictional nutrients the dinos need

[mint sonnet]

Oh I seeeeee, interesting..
Tho ppl will likley still say a, b, y

So I assume that hover menu thing is just the usual hordetesting wip shenanigans and will be renamed

[vital laurel]

@quaint lodge it’s a testing branch

[serene sluice]

are they trying to give a more holo graphic feel for the ui?

cause that wouldn't be bad just needs more polish

[noble dove]

I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that in this universe the dietary requirements for these dinosaurs are a fictional construct? In other words, what we're eating doesn't exist? With all due respect, isn't it better for immersion if things are grounded somewhat in reality?

[vapid kiln]

Is anyone else having trouble with ping this upd?

Because mine keeps randomly skyrocketing

[minor sentinel]

yea

[noble dove]

People are saying its unplayable imma bout to boot it up to give it a try

[uneven beacon]

Just got off it’s unplayable

[spiral scaffold]

so how long we thinking

[noble dove]

yeah the ping and rubberbanding are still rampant

I'm no game developer but wouldnt a rollback suffice for now? try it again once it's been polished more?

damn just seen this but the new o2 symbol looks gross xD

[finite agate]

@bright halo i know what your talking about when you can smell the carbs diets from far away and its weird because it only applies to dead boars and its been like this for as long as i can remember so i don't think its a bug but maybe because dead boars have a very strong smell or something like that

[noble dove]

How the hordetest is playing right now, for those curious

[vapid kiln]

It's genuinely horrible rn

[ornate pewter]

It does sound like something is going on with some people's audio and rain.

Personally, I play the game at all times with headphones set at 70-90, and I have no problem. I need it loud because audio cues are important.

In a thunderstorm, I can hear nothing else but rain, and thunder...

And this is good, this is how it should be. If you've ever camped in a torrential thunderous downpour, it's exactly like that.

It is however possible that some people's sound systems are so powerful that the rain and thunder is hurting their ears.

[limber hull]

personally i dont have that big an issue with it, it's loud, but not painful

idk maybe you're right, it could be a difference in how bass-y their audio is

[ornate pewter]

That's what I was thinking, my headphones aren't super fancy, but someone with a pair of very nice ones might be getting more then me.

[noble dove]

It's like they need to allocate more ram to the servers after these visual updates or something. Like how when you host a minecraft server and turn up the render distance

[chilly ermine]

well at least it wont be "dots, lines and S

[empty epoch]

@shy fox your design is actually really cool

[spiral scaffold]

Idk is ping solved

[empty epoch]

Probably wouldn't work by itself once more maps come

But you could generally animate it so it changes between each official map

[spiral scaffold]

Cals

[tired quest]

https://tenor.com/view/door-man-lag-door-lag-gif-16498573063139890172

[dusky swift]

Why are they taking away our Nesting ability when we're at 100%?

Do the devs think there are too many people nesting in the game or something?

It's really like they want us to just stop playing at 100% with all their changes.

[limber hull]

it's more avoiding the literal factories of canni rex clans which became the meta as of late

rexes would get their full entombed elders and just spam out nests to nest in more rexes with tons upon tons of mutations in some corner, basically giving their friends an easy way to circumvent the entire gameloop

now we no longer have the possibility for endless dino factories, especially with the new solo nesting mut

[dusky swift]

and punishes everyone else too.
I don't even play Rex, so why should I be punished for that?

That's a bad solution.

[limber hull]

it's not rex-specific

it can apply to any species

[gritty kernel]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1427780387462971434 looking back at it I like the old one better

[noble verge]

Still so laggy ?

[cosmic thorn]

So you can't fight at 100% because you do reduced damage, you can't travel anywhere because your speed is reduced, and now you can't nest either because you become infertile.

[dusky swift]

Why don't they just kill us at 100%?
They'd spare us the pain, at least.

why do they want to punish us for having made a dino to 100%

"Congratulations, you've reached 100%, now find yourself a place to die, you useless, weak old man."

[gleaming garden]

@south sandal turn ur sound down-

[dusky swift]

That's really bad for the little dinosaurs; they die quickly and grow fast.

Nesting is far more important for them than for large ones.

They already have population problems, this makes it even worse

[limber hull]

i mean, things can still be adjusted, and they've made it that elder now has a 0% growth rate so it takes WAY longer to reach 100% after you've reached 75%

[gleaming garden]

0?!?!?!?!?

[limber hull]

yea

[gleaming garden]

Shouldnt that... Mean u dont grow???

[limber hull]

as in growth bonus, 0% growth rate bonus

[gleaming garden]

OH

Gotcha

[dusky swift]

That's still low for small dinosaurs, even at 0% growth.

That's maybe only max 30 minutes of fertility.

[limber hull]

you start being fertile at adulthood, which lasts for a while before 75%, then you're fertile from there to 100%

[dusky swift]

And time flies for little dinosaurs.
25% is nothing for them

[limber hull]

i mean, it can still all be adjusted

the only real big one i see is hypsi

since that's an animal somewhat defined by its nesting, and its nests are difficult to construct

[eager socket]

@valid willow uh was that SS taken just abit ago? Like uh servers restarted just awhile and that -1000 always happens on restart

[dusky swift]

It must.
Small species should ideally be excluded from this idea of becoming infertile with 100%

[valid willow]

I mostly meant the 168 ping its never been over 20 ish for me and its been really bad the last day or 2

the -1000 ping was just an added bonus

[eager socket]

Ah

[eager socket]

That’s just server restart

[latent olive]

@old quest thats the point

its meant to be like a 1980s-1990s style

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message
why is every single feedback post he makes an entire narrative minus any paragraphs or spacing lmao

wait why tf did he bring up russia nuking USA and vice versa

[quick talon]

I'm no full time game dev, but how can you mess up the UI? I've never seen so many UI bugs in any other games. The new features are good and all on the UI but what's actually happening?

[glass lion]

Cause thats how it feels like with stego vs trex. If trex cannot outmanuver its tail, it drops dead.

[somber meadow]

Hu guys, server broken ?

[pine burrow]

yo guys, is the ping problem still there today ?

[urban flax]

@last tulip
Balance is based around speed differences
Allowing to increase speed ruins balance and makes speed mutations mandatory to have for every player, therefore making the entire mutation system redundant

[last tulip]

if stat decay wasn't a thing i'd agree with you. but it is so that makes zero sense

and also -- thats 2 mutations you get 3/4 from a single life without entombing so that also makes zero sense

[urban flax]

What does that have to do with stat decay ?

[urban flax]

2 mutation slots wasted out of the 3

[last tulip]

Your entire logic of speed being the balancing force behind removing the two mutations. If i'm a raptor and i'm in my frail stage of life my speed is 20 KM/H slower than in my prime

[urban flax]

It is generally agreed upon that speed and combat mutations in general are terrible for the game

[urban flax]

Yes and ?

[last tulip]

uhh balls in your court buddy, i want to know why it was removed and your reasoning isn't working for me

[urban flax]

Cerato getting faster than raptor thanks to speed muts

[last tulip]

except it isn't a cerato with 10% speed is not faster than a raptor in the same stage of development even without the 10% speed

so you're wrong.

[urban flax]

Stego outrunning dibble

[urban flax]

stacked mutations

[urban flax]

It literally happened

[last tulip]

no i play both and a cera does not outspeed a raptor in their prime even with a 10% increase on the cera and a zero on the raptor, figure it out foryousrelf becuase you are wrong.

[urban flax]

stacked mutations

[last tulip]

what other mutation grants speed increase

[urban flax]

the same one

But stacked through entombing

[last tulip]

you cannot stack the same mutation and if you could... just remove that from the game

[desert arch]

Imagine youre a deino, you saw 2 cannibals coming for you a decent way away. You would be perfectly fine except for the fact they have speed mutations, and you dont. So you get ran down and killed without pretty much any chance to survive because you refused to be a meta slave, or just didnt know what was the meta.

[last tulip]

but ive' never stacked the same mutationb before

[urban flax]

Even better : remove speed mutations as they serve no prupose

They just become mandatory because they exist and end up in giving players 1 less mutation slot to customize their dino

[last tulip]

what are you saying they serve the purpose of making your dino more viable in it's elder stage of life especially on raptor where speed is the main factor in your surviability

and you have to earn that through entombing to keep your dino viable in the later stages of it's life, which was a really good concept

removing it just reduces our options and makes for a less rewarding system.

[urban flax]

No it's the opposite

If speed mutation exists, everyone has to pick the speed mutation in order to stand a chance

[last tulip]

so you remove it and now everyone is picking homology?

whats the difference

[urban flax]

Because if you don't, you get outran by playables you're supposed to be outrunning and die with no chance at survival

So it becomes a wasted mutation slot

[urban flax]

homology ?

[last tulip]

i'm making a reference to another mutation, hemology or whatever it's called. % dmg based on a target bleeding.

[urban flax]

Oh yeah this one should go as well
Same as tactile endurance and gastronomic regen

hemomania

[last tulip]

make noct/photo a prime requirement mutation then so you can only take 1 per entomb

dont remove it there are so many better options

[urban flax]

ew

[last tulip]

you say that when your method is just removing it entirely lmfao -- deducive reasoning sounds very unintelligent

[frank tapir]

plenty of people have made suggestions for reworks

[last tulip]

Okay. Rework it, dont remove it.

[urban flax]

The other fix is making it not affect speed
Which is exactly what was done, so it's good

[shy fox]

Its a mockup I threw together at 3am as a proof of concept! It doesnt have to have a wireframe of the island, thats just the first thing I thought of. They're trying to go for this retrofuturist aesthetic and depending on how retro and how futurist they wanna go, they should either include more ASCII make it look like assembly code, or throw in more vector elements. As stands tho it's just a really bad reskin of the old UI. And I'm PRETTY sure the old UI is like a default preset in Unreal because I've seen the same structure in a lot of other indie games

[last tulip]

i main omni, and the worst thing about the elder system is seeing my speed decay so rapidly and forcing me to entomb with barely any play time in my prime state, at least the speed mutations allowed me to stay relevant longer

[frank tapir]

that's a different issue though

[last tulip]

made more apparent through the removal of mutations that helped alleviate the issue

[frank tapir]

so why aren't you asking for the actual issue to be fixed?

[empty epoch]

fair fair

this is also the inspiration for the isle's lore video boot ups!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=692Z_adAsMQ

[last tulip]

because thats like asking for a brand new engine when you just need a new steering wheel

i'd still like to drive the car

[urban flax]

If your issue is with the elder sped debuff, then it has nothing to do with mutations

[last tulip]

No. i enjoyed the speed increase coupled with the gameplay loop of entombing to make it stronger. I really enjoyed that portion of the game. It factors into the issue i have with stat decay from the elder system.

[urban flax]

But it's a balance problem that had to be eliminated

Of course you enjoyed the game when getting higher speed
The issue is you can't enjoy it aas most species if you don't pick the bonus speed
Because then you become a walking lunchbox

[last tulip]

Now other species suffer even further

[urban flax]

Not really

[limber hull]

no? if anything, the species suffer less

[last tulip]

Omni suffers, i dont play much other species but i gaurantee dilo and other smaller carnivores suffer.

[limber hull]

pachy/teno no longer fears getting run down by cera, dilos no longer fear getting run down by raptors

[urban flax]

No, omni just doesn't have access to an unfair boost anymore
It's the same game, but everyone is 10% slower

Because everyone used to pick the damn mutations because you had to if you wanted to stand a chance

[limber hull]

and you don't get punished for not picking those mutations by getting nuked by someone you cannot flee from

[urban flax]

That's what the change basically is
10% less speed for everyone, in exchange for 2 extra mutation slots

[last tulip]

except everyone is not 10% slower, a raptor goes through it's life cycle at an accelerated rate compared to most of the things it hunts so realistically omni is suffering from a massive disadvantage throughout 80% of it's life cycle

your stating your opinon based off the fact that speed remains a constant, are we even playing the same game?

[urban flax]

Yes everyone is 10% slower, mutations and the elder system are different things
If you remove the mutation that makes people 10% faster, then everyone becomes 10% slower
There is no simpler math than this

[last tulip]

your stating your opinon based off the fact that speed remains a constant, are we even playing the same game?

[frank tapir]

you said that

[urban flax]

I'm stating the fact that a 10% increase or decrease is a 10% increase no matter what the base speed is

[last tulip]

first of all thats just mathimatically wrong, 10% effects different numbers at a different level but i'll avoid that because the issue is the time spent on a raptor with optimal speed

[urban flax]

I think you simply don't understand

[last tulip]

i think we can both agree that one side isnt' understanding the other

even tho i understand where you are coming from from a balance perspective, i just fail to see the benefits of removing it when you look at the cost of removing it for certain species

[urban flax]

It's just factually making everyone 10% slower
And removing an unfair advantage from multiple-entombed players

[last tulip]

but 10% effects 50km a lot more than 30 km

[urban flax]

If you're getting hard-carried by that mutation to the point of it being necessary to your gameplay, the issue lies somewhere else

[tall vine]

@last tulip speed mutations break the balance of some playables, worses desync situations, example, the server can't even show a "normal" speed carno ramming another player precisely where it's at, in server side it's way ahead of what shows on victim's client side, and it's assumed by some, that hackers were using speed mutations exploits to crank it up and reach extreme speedhacks

[last tulip]

@urban flax thats a crazy take, dude and you're just being an ass at this point.

[steady orchid]

Now that there isnt speed mutations you wont have to worry about picking them for not being slower than someone else and now you can choose other mutation that can be helpful to your survival instead

[last tulip]

Except speed is a huge problem for species like omni who go from 50km/hr to 30km/hr depending on their stage of prime

[tall vine]

small/fast playables need definitely some buffs and reworks tho to compensate this mutation that helped them more than heavier/bigger ones, but this is another bigger problem than just some speed mutation can fix or not

[cosmic thorn]

There's some situations where a speed mutation makes all the difference. Teno versus Cera, for example. Because of that, speed mutations have become a must pick, and that's bad for the health of the game.

[frank tapir]

like was said before, that's an issue with elders, not the mutations

[steady orchid]

Doesnt matter as your probably fighting someone with also speed mutations that negates yours

[urban flax]

You clearly misunderstood me, but I'm not gonna explain because it's funnier this way

[last tulip]

No. Sounds like the diffiuclty lies in anyone playing a slower species and getting butt hurt that omni has a 30 minute window of being a threat to their existance

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-eats-bones-gif-12230321

[sinful dome]

I'm blue dabudee dabu da....

[shy fox]

Ye they've been trying to push this aesthetic for a while but its really really unrefined. I'm not even sure if they have a dedicated graphic designer

[empty epoch]

i remember Dondi pinging the graphic designer who did the Prehistoric Kingdom game in islecord a few years ago

no idea if they're using a proper graphic designer
or just Seiza (their video maker)

[shy fox]

I thought I saw a UI designer mentioned in a blog once, no?

Tho I might be misremembering things

[empty epoch]

no, you might've seen Dondis mention of having concepts (like the neural ai video)
don't think they've said they have one

might have to check again though

[indigo gulch]

Wait did they finally remove speed mutations?

[urban flax]

Neural UI not neural AI !!!!!!!!!!11!1!11!1!!!1!

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/intergalactic-army-of-darkness-waking-up-skeleton-army-coughing-dust-gif-2015127061685468571

[shy fox]

Yeah no Google searches are coming up empty, guess it was just slapped together by either don or one of the programmers. To be fair a UI designer is very situationally needed in a game with a glacial development pace like TI, but they could've at least hired a freelancer 😭 And a graphic designer would be good to have if this game did any freaking marketing whatsoever

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message I dont think the guy realised that its because the servers were restarting 💀

[indigo gulch]

I dont think so either

[empty epoch]

Amarok, the AI programmer, did the foundation of the UI for recode
which... likely hasn't changed with this HT seeing as it is more of a visual change

[shy fox]

Making that mockup was super fun tho so I'll maybe make an interactive one with more menus and buttons

[indigo gulch]

@valid willow that’s just the server’s restarting😅at what time did you take that picture

[shy fox]

Ohhhhh yeah that makes sense that a coder did this. Pretty sure its a unreal engine preset they just built upon

[junior nymph]

the server restart time 💀

[empty epoch]

most likely. His work on UI hasn't been... very amazing
basically all the UI stuff to the old UI was always... yeah. Never working lol

[shy fox]

Clearly the solution is to hire the pest

[empty epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/thereitis-zoolander-magnum-hansel-gif-22298247

[shy fox]

[valid willow]

im fully aware it was a joke

[valid willow]

im fully aware it was a joke

[indigo gulch]

Oh. I don’t think people realized that

[junior nymph]

I mean alot of people wouldnt realise its a joke

[elfin willow]

Yes - no more nocturnal/photo

[indigo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/wedding-crasher-hro-gif-25636997

Celebration time!

[elfin willow]

It was just a wasted mut because everyone felt obligated to get them. 💀 Glad it was finally taken away.

[indigo gulch]

Yeah cuse not getting it increased your chances to die by too much not to take it

[indigo gulch]

^though not everyone agrees with that

[normal shuttle]

Absolute cinema

[wintry cipher]

#general-feedback message

The devs only want gender differences to be cosmetic. Changing sizes or stats in any capacity would change hitboxes and or make one gender meta over the other. For example a small female pt would be easier to hide as and harder to hit. Combine that with parthenogenesis and males would be a liability and go extinct.

Currently there are two different kinds of dimorphism: shape and color. Sometimes both are present.

Stego has diff plates, pt has diff crest shapes. Para will have diff crests. Hypsi has eyebrow feathers and tail feather differences.

Carno has diff colors, troodon has diff colors, trike, and beipi has diff colors for example.

[wraith verge]

in 1 word describe the update

[junior nymph]

change

but I like it

if you want a sort of line id say "the end of a era"

[flint basin]

Ur lowk right

[wraith verge]

Its defenitly different yeah, have to see if i can get used to the glowing icons tho, thats hard on the eyes

[wintry cipher]

Itll prob get dimmed a bit. Theres a lot of stuff pointed out as wrong with it for this patch in the announcement so im personally waiting until its slightly less WIP to give feedback. Some stuff i might nitpick are prob going to be changed regardless.

[wraith verge]

what is wip ? xD

[wintry cipher]

Work in progress

[wraith verge]

ohhh thanks for clarification

[wintry cipher]

Np!

[hallow bridge]

They really need to fix this lag on horde test. just lost a rex fight and barely hit the guy bc my hits wouldnt register 🙁

[quasi heath]

highkey certain people will be weird assholes too if gender effected gameplay like that for ex im going to always use the new parthenogenesis now if im interested in nesting because ive already seen and dealt with people being creepy for THAT

[icy lion]

@wheat flame They know about the clipping

[wheat flame]

That's good, ty for the ping. I still have some issues with the overall design that I'm trying to piece together 🤔 I feel like the previous UI's border helped combat the feeling of unnecessary empty spaces, but adding it back to this design style would make things visually look worse.

[cedar sandal]

just got my feedback deleted feelsgoodman

god forbid not liking something in a game you play since it came out when it was utter crap

[urban flax]

bro got automodded lol

[iron knoll]

anyone knows if fully entombed 100% become infertile as well? like i mean, 16 mutation dino

cause that would be sad........

[wintry cipher]

They likely do

[split torrent]

No i didnt? lol

I really do wonder where you people get this information from

[vestal terrace]

Wish i could hover over my stats, or at the very least see the full ui like before. (I can't play full screened as it lags too much. Might be different now but this is how i played for years without problem)

[unkempt comet]

Bro its a HORDETEST, a server for testing and implementing new things, its clearly stated in the PATCH notes, in a update or two everything will work as intended, just be patient

[quartz prism]

Unless a issue is already specifically stated to be fix in the future, people bring up the issues to make sure the devs are aware. This is a feedback channel to allow players and the community to voice issues/concerns over something in the game.
Yes the game is being worked on still, but again unless that current issue is stated by the devs that they will be fixing it, voicing concerns is just as important as being respectful (you can do both at the same time)

[urban bear]

@serene jasper V3 is probably a top 2 most garbage map the game has ever seen, it would need a major overhaul before coming to Evrima. Gateway isn't in the best state right now, its been much better but its sitll way better then v3

[lucid sinew]

I got a new name for the game.
The Isle project Pteranodon.

[serene jasper]

@rain bramble i have never problem with drop or low fps on hight/medium detail on PoT for example , 2080RTX is not the best one card today but still on pot i have 55-70 FPS .. on evrima i have on low detail 15-25. when i look to sky i have 55FPS. so optimalisation for evrima is absolutly horrible.

[wild leaf]

the grass they dont touch (this is a joke)

[rain bramble]

I have an RTX 3060, I run at over 100 fps, and when I look at the sky, I'm at 140 fps

[placid raven]

I was just a teno and i got chased by a 50%+ rex at night. I had nightvision on but it was black for me XD i turned the nv off / on and there was no difference. But the t-rex? He could apparently see 20+ meters because he couldnt hear my footsteps and all i could do while being chased was using my ears and the shift button to run.

so please increase nightvision

[vestal terrace]

already reported spawning in somethin i was previously above. But srs? i luckfully made it above water before drowning but i can't even get to shore because it keeps teleporting me back

[spiral scaffold]

any fixes on the HT?

[night idol]

they fixed the UI, before it was too comfortable to look at. now it's perfect, it not only makes player readability even worse but it also physically hurts to look at! thank god we are using development time to have an MSI BIOS screen user interface instead of what we had before

[cunning sequoia]

opening the status screen is like getting flash banged

[faint folio]

@sturdy maple They do need to adjust prime and frail elder speeds so that they aren't so frustrating to deal with, but I'm glad the speed mutations are gone. They severely affected juvi and adult balance and the overall pvp meta - you pretty much HAD to invest in them to be viable, and that was BEFORE entombing allowed the buff to stack. We can both remove the speed mutations and adjust base/elder speed stats so that traveling isn't miserable 🙂

[drowsy heron]

bios screen isn't eye piercing blue so BIOS screens are still more ligible than this garbage

Like as a dyslexic I am literally struggling to read the server names n such. I really hope they don't go through with this. Especially the BLUE, it is so hard to focus when the text is both too loud, but also so close together it blends into one terrible mess

[zinc fjord]

I can't find it again but saw someone saying if Photosynthetic and Nocturnal are going to lose the movement speed buffs they should gain something else, and I feel that should be the case. It'd be nice to give Nocturnal maybe a night vision distance increase and Photosynthetic something like hunger drains slower during the day to kind of make their names make more sense other than just increased health regen.

[queen locust]

#general-feedback message respectfully whos we

[frozen heron]

UI is a wip as is stated in announcements, there's big outcry about how hard it is to read and the glow so they will most likely make a change

[drowsy heron]

I really really hope it goes back to that green. I can read the green, and it's not overly distracting so I can actually focus instead of it blurring together

[covert lantern]

i couldnt care less over the ui as long as its visuals equal the actual stat but keeping servers unplayable and giving 0 updates about the progress of fixing the ping issues is questionable

and replying to messages like this with " its a test server dont play it then" just makes no sense as this message just implies dont play our test server and its fine which makes me curious cuz test servers need to be played and playable to be tested

but to get feed back on the ui lags n ping dont matter ...

[covert lantern]

it feels like they dont care that servers are not playable they get the feedback for the ui anyway

[covert lantern]

what i find even funnier is that they rather fix the ui visuals instead of the servers

[drowsy heron]

Tbf, I can barely play with the new UI, so I hope it's fixed before the week is over, or reverted back to the UI I loved

Was shocked going on HT and the servers are half full at best. It's awful

[covert lantern]

ye i get if people prefer the old ui the thing is tho no matter which ui we get with the current ping none of both will be more or less fun than the other

[covert lantern]

its cuz of ping

before the patch the servers such as eu 1 n 2 had 80 qeue on peak times

its insanely easy to grow rn cuz you cant die its just a matter for how long you can stand the rubberbanding

i get that

[drowsy heron]

I'm sorry I'm heated, my life kinda sux and this is the one thing I look forward to at the end of the day 😔

[sage crescent]

more like The Isle: to kill a Pteranodon

[zinc fjord]

The Isle: Quest To Make Small Tiers Even More Unplayable.

[faint folio]

It's not that they don't care... It's that it's not just a test server, it's a stress test server. I.e. a large part of the point is to see how the server is handling high load so that they can optimize the code. (Spoiler - lag/rubber banding indicates improvement is needed). Also, I've also seen people suggest that sometimes HT is running with some logging hooks in the code to help with figuring out where optimization is needed, and logging bogs down computer programs like nobody's business

[covert lantern]

i would get that point if the isle wouldnt be the only game with such crazy ping problems ive never seen other stress test servers lag this much for such a long period

most game companies fix server problems within the next few hrs

i mean make it take days i wouldnt care if they attleast give updates on how it is going cuz rn it makes it feel like they just dont care

[faint folio]

It does legitimately stink to try to play on right now, though, especially with everything in a rough state

[faint folio]

Most game companies that have open stress test events have a larger dev team, to be fair. (Unfortunately, I've been a tester for an animal survival game with a slightly smaller team than the isle and their stress tests similarly stink 😕). And I think it sort of depends on the complexity of the game being made as well - the isle is a lot more complicated than most games studios of similar sizes put out. NGL I've thought for a while now that the idle is in over their heads at this point

I'm not a huge fan of competitor games like PoT, but to be fair in a lot of ways PoT is by far a simpler game

[covert lantern]

ye but then hire new ppl idk it seems so weird to me and as i said i wouldnt care if they would attleast give updates like rn it seems like they dont care as there is 0 transperency

for instance path of titans has rough times releasing new content and they got transperency and told reasons such as nintendo causing problems with verifiyng the patches which takes months sometimes but here ? they od not say anything ... and that just seems off to me

it is way more simply for sure and the isle is a complicated game

but being transperent has nothing to do with that

like rn it could stop lagging in the next hours or in 2 weeks

and if they would just give that info or a unpresized 1 i could way better guess if its worth to kill my nerves w that rubberbanding rn

[faint folio]

Yeah I wish the devs would communicate more. And it's a bit frustrating because they DO communicate and answer questions but it's in #isle-discussion and is almost immediately buried under general conversation unless you happen to be watching the channel when they come into the chat

So the vast majority of people in the discord don't see it

[covert lantern]

ive seen screenshots going around

1 thing was "we investigating it" which is like 0 information and the other 1 was like
"its a stress test what do you expect just dont play it if u dont like it"

and there is an announcement channel where they can just make an announcement mentioning that they are sure of the ping problems and they are working on it and they could say like " we cant exactly tell you when the ping will be fixed but we can asure you it wont be in the next 7 days but also be within the next 14 days"

for instance

ark always delays their maps but aswell they say things like it prolly wont drop before xyx time

delays are fine we are all humans n not working robots but just be transperent and give us information cuz rn im growing several dinos to pvp later on but idk if this might be for nothing incase the laggs will never go down till the next big patch which can delete dinos

liek i wanna play this game but rn pvp wise its not playable so i can just grow to be ready but i wont know if its worth it

thats time im putting into the game and its totalyl understandable that ppl wont to know if its worth paying their time rn

[faint folio]

Idk about this specific instance. But like I've seen helpful answers on other topics before in that chat.

I do recognize though that it may not be as simple as hiring more people. For one, they may not have the budget - a good programmer is expensive. For another, for every additional programmer you have, it gets harder to keep everyone organized and not stepping on each other's toes (which can itself be a source of bugs if different code bases are merged together incorrectly). But I'd think it would be as simple as "hey we updated the test server. FYI, we're going to be monitoring server performance for a couple days and that might cause ping problems, but we appreciate anyone who'd be willing to help us test". Idk

[covert lantern]

i mean every company grows n hires more ppl

the point will come where they have to hire more ppl to not fall down in the game scene

but appart from that i think transperency is the only thing

i can understand the ping problems but not the missing communication

[faint folio]

Idk necessarily if they know when ping issues will be resolved if they're caused by optimization (it's not always simple to predict how long a bug fix or refactor will take). But acknowledging it's a problem would relieve some pressure.

Though... Maybe not the number of feedback posts I've seen since the last update complaining about things that were clearly stated at the top of patch notes to be known issues that were already being worked on is crazy

[indigo gulch]

They have said multiple times that they have 0 budget issues so I doubt that. Also iirc they said they didn’t want to expand the team too much because then it becomes working around each other. Rather keep it small

[covert lantern]

ye you cant give strict timevalues but u can for sure say it will take longer than xyx

[faint folio]

That's fair. I did mention problems working around each other, though

[indigo gulch]

Mhm

I just backed it up, apologies if it didnt seem that way

[faint folio]

No worries. Tone doesn't translate in text 😅

I do know some other dev teams though that have enough income to maintain their current staff, but not enough to hire additional devs - that's why I mentioned that as a possibility

[fiery aspen]

just me or the new ui litterally hard to look at

hurts my eyes after 5 mins

[solid ridge]

yeah

same, its nice i guess, but its just not the best

[fiery aspen]

Old ui 30x better

Had spirit and wasn’t painful

[harsh breach]

I agree

[night idol]

im hoping that this recent HT update is just a halloween event joke or smth

[drowsy heron]

One can only hope. I think if they just went back to green it wouldn't be so bad

Or just, tone down the brightness

After playing for a bit I kinda got used to it but it's like sitting next to a harsh cold LED vs a warm light. It works but it is not cozy

[wooden agate]

i mean... does it need to feel cozy? as long as it is thematically sound and well designed (which is subjective, so i cant say whether it is or isnt until finalized and all the quirks are fixed like misaligned buttons and such), it doesnt need to feel "cozy"

its entirely dependent on the mood and atmosphere the game wants to set

[limber hull]

honestly isn't the game meant to feel either like overwhelming oppressive isolation in nature or hauntingly rustic abandoned concrete structures

i genuinely feel comfort has never been the forefront, it's either feeling exposed out in the jungles or plains, or unnerved by the silent halls of a long-dead research structure

it's a horror survival after all

[night idol]

the new UI is objectively not well designed at a fundamental level. hoping that the "WIP" means some serious changes to it and not just fixing "quirks" and aligning buttons

it is subjective to an extent when it comes to UI aesthetics/preferences, but i find it hard to believe that someone would prefer their UI to be blindingly bright and physically painful to look at

[latent olive]

i would love for some background footage in the main menu, like CCTV camera screens, showing environments like in half life 2

[limber hull]

Hell yea, take some of those lore videos and have them playing on little windows

[wooden agate]

i like the general aesthetic and vibe they're going for with the UI, and with some relatively minor changes (lessening the glow effect, having more colors + color/UI settings saving after closing the game, etc) would really make it go a long way.

i just dont like the idea that the UI has to be especially "nice" to look at in a cozy way. it should be visually pleasing to some degree, but it doesnt require a cozy, warm vibe to it.

[spiral scaffold]

um well ok then

[drowsy heron]

Perhaps cozy isn't the best word. Maybe I should've said less draining? A cold LED feels harsh after awhile. It could be my tism making me sensitive to types of light but if they chose a softer colour, like the green we had before, it wouldn't be distracting and straining as it is now.

I wanna be able to see it when I need to, but not invasive. I want to focus on the environment. Not the UI in the corner.
It's like, driving at night and someone has those LED headlights shining in your mirror, glaring your glasses up. You can still see, but it is not comfortable

[proven river]

@devout pendant this is so funny I almost don't want to down vote it, good troll

[minor sentinel]

#general-feedback message

we are crying over 60 fps when some people can't even get 20 fps, and left the game, and still talking about it. Bro is obsessed for the isle, I'm glad he still like it.

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-redditor-discord-mods-fat-guy-league-of-legends-gif-25610400

[junior nymph]

@sacred narwhal the glide speed is a bug

[sacred narwhal]

Oh good, but my point about stam regen is valid still

[junior nymph]

I guess

[junior nymph]

@lost shoal I love the jungles! They are prob the best that they have looked ( i liked speros jungles when spero was being designed) the rain loudness is a bug luckly but I do disagree with the UI. Personally I really like the UI, yes it could be improved definitely but I feel its a cool direction

[lost shoal]

the jungles are so beautyfull and ye i can understand that ppl like the new ui changes but I hope they change it a bit...the colors are so bright rn and lookin at a dark screen i have the feeling it burns my eyes 😂

[junior nymph]

I honestly reckon they will make it more customizable. but we will see in time

cause it would be weird to have a UI colour button that only changes skin creator, creature selection, main menu and settings

[lost shoal]

hm i could change between blue, red, white today

[junior nymph]

the green 🙁

you forgot green

[lost shoal]

ah ye i know why i forgot lmao

it hurts in my eyes haha

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

man forgot the "test" of hordetest

[rose plinth]

Is HT still 200+ ping and unplayable?

[novel geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[drowsy heron]

I for the first time ever turned SFX down to 50% cause rain is so loud

[tawny vigil]

Does anyone know how the AI's detection work? Cause i know a croc 10ft underwater should be farily difficult to spot. But somehow a deer near the water spotted me and bolted the moment i was anywhere near. (for reference at no point was i anywhere near the surface of the water)

Cause it'd be nice that if the AI went to watering holes like deer boar etcs like dinos have to for water.

[faint folio]

Afaik it's just radius based. There's no line of sight based detection - if a player is within a certain distance the AI will react

I wish it was detection based though - would be nice to be able to stalk AI to get closer without detection

[tawny vigil]

Could be something maybe the look at implementing in the future, as it'd be a nice thing to have.

[drowsy heron]

Give us a reason to use crouch frfr

[thorn crater]

@random current that looks absolutely incredible for something done in just 45 minutes, I love it!

[random current]

ty 🫡

[wind mesa]

@random current #general-feedback message why does your suggestion look 100x better than the ui that's supposed to have gone through peer review before being released into hordetest lol. I absolutely love this, and i think with some CTR glow and a slight curve it'll look so much more like a terminal from the 1990s, which seems to be what they're trying to go for. Well done mate.

go apply for the ui dev position or something xD

[proud urchin]

is hordetesting still have high ping?

[vagrant phoenix]

I think Devs have to reconsider about the new colors for every Dino because I've never seen this many upvotes on something that pretty much everyone agrees on #general-feedback message

[urban flax]

Don't mind the upvotes, that's just a CC asking their community to vote on their feedback

[vagrant phoenix]

I know, but I still agree with it, all my cool Deino skins that I saved got turned into garbage.... At least my cool blue Deino skin from the previous day that's still alive is still there

And I plan to reach 100% prime elder so that no other Deino can take that skin away until horde test is over

[spare sentinel]

Is there a way to see the in game time still?

[inland vigil]

because we agree with it. not a hard concept to grasp 💔

[elfin willow]

Bro wants everything to be poopy brown. 💀 No exceptions!

[urban flax]

sure

[inland vigil]

wdym sure 💀

Is it really shocking that a large majority of people like when we have individuality in our skins ?? I don't get the logic here

[urban flax]

What I disagree with is the concept of using one's popularity to artificially bloat votes

[wind mesa]

i wish they'd vote on other feedbacks as well instead of just the one getting 300 votes :/

[inland vigil]

It's not artificial bloating. People agree, they hit check. People disagree, they hit x. Being able to bring something to a large group of people's attention does not somehow change their opinion on that thing

[urban flax]

Especially since upvotes don't actually mean anything

[urban flax]

It very much is
People who aren't active or even present on this servent come to vote because someone asked them to

[inland vigil]

I fully agree that we should not be limited to a bunch of browns and greens. It's already bad enough on rex and trike. Please look at what they did to hypsi in the skin creator

Better yet, look at teno

Literally can't even recognize my own dinosaurs. They're all hideous

Lost one of my favorite ever teno skins

[vagrant phoenix]

I mean @urban flax has a good point, aside from the good feedback, someone popular could make a bad or not very thought out feedback and get 300 upvotes lol. Not to mention most feedbacks have about 60 at most and there's just one standing here with over 300 or something

[inland vigil]

My pachys were COMPLETELY reduced to default colors. This is unacceptable actually

[wind mesa]

#isle-discussion message am i being dumb or are the limited skins temporary tho

[inland vigil]

To prove you wrong, look at other content creators feedback

[urban flax]

They didn't ask their community to come vote here

[vagrant phoenix]

The other content creators didn't announce anything....

[inland vigil]

Lost causes in the chat

[inland vigil]

This was for the new palletes? Or the weird colors from before?

[urban flax]

If the take is so good, then why did those 200+ agreeing people not upvote the other pieces of feedback saying the exact same thing ?

[vagrant phoenix]

I never said I disagree Im just baffled there's 300 upvotes on a feedback while the others are just ignored lol

[inland vigil]

Because they're not saying exactly the same thing

[wind mesa]

by limited i assume they mean it being stuck with the greens and browns, not all the weird colours being unlocked.

[vagrant phoenix]

You and I are thinking alike with every sentence we write lol

[inland vigil]

"please revert change" does not equal "limit to one bright color" or "at this point just limit us to a default color"

[urban flax]

People have been complaining about the selection of colors, for months

[inland vigil]

Wording is important

[inland vigil]

The new patch hasn't been around for months ??

[urban flax]

No but complaints have

[inland vigil]

Yes but this is about the new patch to colors which removed a vast majority of colors

[icy lion]

Which is temporary

[inland vigil]

So bringing other feedback into this doesn't make sense. This is about the limited palette right now

[wintry cipher]

The tone of the feedback means a lot on whether people will upvote or downvote. There also isnt a "neutral" indicator either.

[urban flax]

Well then, there will be other feedbacks stating colors need to be added back, and I can guarantee you none of them will get 300 upvotes

[faint folio]

I mean... It's probably a bit of both. It wouldn't have gotten 300 up votes without being called out, but at the same time they wouldn't have upvoted if they disagreed. We don't need dinosaurs that look like they belong in an episode of My Little Pony, but having 10 subtly different shades of brown doesnt really allow you to customize your skin like a lot of people want

[vagrant phoenix]

People are complaining about colors, UI, but hackers are still a problem, idk how the Devs arent spending more time and resources on finding a good solution

[vagrant phoenix]

That's good to hear

[inland vigil]

Would have been nice if this was stated more publicly somewhere

[wintry cipher]

Many feedbacks are blatantly hostile or sarcastic and players don't often want to associate with that

[urban flax]

I don't disagree with the feedback either

But someone with genuinely good takes shouldn't be worried about getting upvotes to the point of asking hundreds of people to upvote them

[vagrant phoenix]

True, but I think that comes from players frustration, mine included (I've died so many times by cheaters for example as rex, Deino and every other Dino pretty much and never even got a refund)

[wintry cipher]

I tend to treat feedback with a mentality of trying to hit a compromise for both sides. Often gets a lot more votes positive or negative. Frustration is something we can all sympathize with, but a lot of players dont want to come off mean and as such will not vote to avoid confrontation

[wind mesa]

i gotta wonder though that because it's only that one message getting all the upvotes and no others, if people are simply upvoting because their favourite CC posted it, and not because they agree with it or care about the direction the isle is going in.

[vagrant phoenix]

I'm trying to refrain now, seeing rainbows back in the game and me finally achieving my goal of prime Deino is seeing beauty in the game now

[vagrant phoenix]

Most feedbacks I read seem aggressive

[wintry cipher]

Yep. A lot are. Its resulted in me not voting very often tbh. I wouldnt be surprised if that also had something to do with it.

[vagrant phoenix]

I mean for a server with 150k members I'd expect more and it was shocking when I first joined the server about how unpractical it is in some areas

[vagrant phoenix]

The rainbow in question by the way :D #gateway-screenshots message

[wintry cipher]

At the end of the day it doesnt matter who says it tho tbh. Players do want customizeability. If its temporary thats all well and good and itll get fixed. Im assuming that was a hasty patch to remove those colors from the cycle. Also hell yeah havent seen one of those in ages!

[inland vigil]

it's because people were pinged to look at the feedback

[urban flax]

I'm disappointed
I thought you were talking about a rainbow deino

[inland vigil]

if people are pinged with a link, typically theyre more likely to read and respond to it. if it's posted in an endless wave, no, people aren't going to sit there and comb through every suggestion and up or downvote it. i do personally but not a lot of people want to do that

[vagrant phoenix]

In my defence, I did try to get a rainbow Deino, but it looked ugly and I wouldn't blend in the water for something that I plan to survive a while with, I went with blue and orange eventually which turned out menacing #gateway-screenshots message

[inland vigil]

i have a deino which is just every single yellow possible . pee deino if you will

[vagrant phoenix]

I mean I get where you're coming from but you should try to get where we are coming from, so that's that. I technically started this whole argument by accident too lol

[dusky swift]

Unbelievable. The highest I saw was 120.
But over 300 is the highest ever.
That has to be a new record.

[inland vigil]

if i lost her i would be very very sad

[urban flax]

lizard

[inland vigil]

i understand where you're coming from but also protests don't work unless you have a coordinated group of people protesting :p

[vagrant phoenix]

It's prime too (I won't stop bragging about this for a while, it took so many attempts)

[urban flax]

There's also that person who had a weird fixation on allo and asked people on reddit to upvote their feedback

[urban flax]

prime lizard

[vagrant phoenix]

Yes

[ember flax]

@random current That UI looks amazing

[vagrant phoenix]

I don't think upvotes actually do anything for all it's worth...

[ember flax]

Literally a better version of the current ui they way trying to aim for

[vagrant phoenix]

So I'm not sure why we are arguing anymore

[ember flax]

With that type of style

[spare sentinel]

yeah, with the packet loss on the servers the game is pretty unplayable at the moment.

new UI is nice, if a bit unfinished, and the Fog is super nice

[vagrant phoenix]

Feels like nobody wanted a new UI, not at least to my knowledge, we had a whole month of nothing but hacker complaints and we find out the Devs have been working on a new UI (not really. Lots of other cool things too, but it's disappointing no new announcement about the cheating issue has been addressed)

[wintry cipher]

Seems the devs are moving to a new server provider

[vagrant phoenix]

I'm pretty sure it was this bad on the trike horde test, in this horde test they found a way to fix the ping issues, now it's back.

[wintry cipher]

^ they prob are fed up now lol

[icy lion]

If you read the devblog, it says that part of the delay between hordetesting patches was dealing with hackers

[spare sentinel]

Some creators working on in-game anti-hacking measures are also reporting that the devs are doing ban waves in the short term

[vagrant phoenix]

Ohh true I remember, but for a game this big you'd imagine it would be fixed by now, not to mention steam includes some free ways to deal with cheaters, and I get that there isn't that many Devs but still you'd expect a refund system by now

[icy lion]

There's 3 programmers

[vagrant phoenix]

Good to know

By the way, performance aside, the games getting a little too dark, makes it hard to find others

Especially with this rain, there's only 20 minutes without rain before 40 minutes of rain appears

[icy lion]

@patent blade They chat regularly in #isle-discussion

[patent blade]

noted, thank you

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

things i was not expecting in feedback chat:

• cera buff request

[pliant elm]

@fossil flicker No

[fossil flicker]

U should get bile from bones imo

[pliant elm]

No

[fossil flicker]

Why

[pliant elm]

Eat rotten meat

There's a reason why cerato can vomit on carcasses to make them rot faster

[fossil flicker]

So slow

[pliant elm]

Don't be anxious. Cerato is extremely strong, even without bile

[fossil flicker]

Cera is NOT extremely strong he is just strong a bit tanky

[pliant elm]

This is funny

[limber hull]

yea, it's a corpse bully, it should spend time with its corpse

that's the whole point of the change

[fossil flicker]

Gimme 10 reasons

[limber hull]

cerato is also extremely strong for a variety of reasons

[fossil flicker]

Ye ik i just want old bile back it was fun

[limber hull]

not for anyone dealing with it

it's fun for literally just cerato, everyone else suffered

except deino who didn't care because vomit immunity

[fossil flicker]

True lol

[limber hull]

it genuinely sucks to go against and having cerato refresh it without working for it or even bothering to try and bully things off corpses

[pliant elm]

350dmg attack with no consequences for missing and a very low stam cost, Weight buffs that increase his weight to around 2100+, can make anything smaller than him vomit with 1 bite and larger ones with just a few more

Turn radius practically better than Omni

Best tracking in the entire game, even though it's a Scavenger (Xd)

[limber hull]

• some of the best bleed res in the game + extremely good swim speed + decent trot + best scent range in the game + extremely fast regular bite/alt-bite + decent stam

[pliant elm]

Yes, that too

Cerato is practically immune to bleed damage

[fossil flicker]

345 dmg if u fully charge it which has 10% speed reduction (consequence) at max damage u loose some stam weight buffs are good to make other opponents move away from a corpse

[limber hull]

oh, and its speed, the one thing supposed to be its weakness, is genuinely not at all a problem

[limber hull]

it doesn't have the speed reduction if you know how to play around it

i would be fine with it if the speed nerf was instant

but it isn't, so it really doesn't matter

[pliant elm]

It takes 6s for the speed reduction to occur, Cerato reaches maximum damage in 3s. You only have your speed reduced if you want to

[fossil flicker]

Obviously it has the best tracking in the game if it’s MADE to be a corpse hunter so having good tracking will be obvious good trot speed goes well with this trait if it had slow trot tracking corpses will be terrible

[icy lion]

doesnt the speed reduction activate like right when you reach max damage

[fossil flicker]

I promise u rn it’s not 3s

[fossil flicker]

Yup

[icy lion]

if not after

which makes it effectively completely avoidable

[fossil flicker]

Speed is a big problem for solo cera getting ran down by anything really

[limber hull]

I actually think it’s faster lol thanks to prior buffs

[fossil flicker]

Good agility since it’s low health without body buff

[limber hull]

Its health really isn’t that low

[pliant elm]

I don't mind him being good at sniffing, but him being good at sniffing out footprints as a Scavenger and not a hunter makes him completely stray from his role...

[fossil flicker]

Midtier with 1.4k health

[limber hull]

Heh?

What does that even mean

[fossil flicker]

Cera is a lowmidtier

[fossil flicker]

Passive trait ?

[limber hull]

I don’t know what that means at all in this context

Like how does that change anything

[icy lion]

the made up category is meant to justify unnecessary buffs

[limber hull]

That’s what I’m feeling yea

[icy lion]

if cera were a "mid tier" then it should be tankier, is the line of thought

[fossil flicker]

A bit tanky on a small-medium body

[limber hull]

What does that mean at all lol

[pliant elm]

Cera is a tank, bleeder, damage dealer and "poison" dealer...

[limber hull]

These are just buzzwords lol

[fossil flicker]

Encourages cera players to fight on bodies for buffs

[pliant elm]

Anyone who thinks Cerato needs buffs is playing it wrong

[limber hull]

Okay so I’m completely lost in what you’re arguing lol

[fossil flicker]

Isn’t really a buff just a revert

[limber hull]

It doesn’t need the revert tho lol

[pliant elm]

If they going to add something that will benefit him, it's a buff

[limber hull]

It works fine as is because cera has the tools to increase the rate of rot

[hushed nova]

alguien de sudamerica para jugar en los servidores NA west?

[limber hull]

It also acts to encourage cera to clean up rotten meat, which is something it should be doing more

[icy lion]

Please only use English in this server, and try asking in #evrima-na !

[fossil flicker]

I’m not even kidding some cera players don’t even know they can eat rotten meat cuz lack of tutorial in game

[limber hull]

Then add those lol

That’s your cera buff you should actually be advocating for

[fossil flicker]

I still don’t understand how cera is OP maybe a pack but a solo isn’t a threat

[limber hull]

It’s strong either way lol

[pliant elm]

Cerato simply fulfills its niche as a scavenger while also being one of, if not the best hunter

[limber hull]

It’s arguably one of the most versatile animals in the game

[pliant elm]

That's why he's "Op"

[fossil flicker]

What playable do u fight ceras the most?

[limber hull]

I don’t because I don’t want to deal with a cera like ever lmao

It’s death

[fossil flicker]

After these nerfs won’t really say it’s the best hunter Carno takes that crown rn

[limber hull]

What nerfs lol

[fossil flicker]

Omds

[fossil flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[limber hull]

Its not bait genuinely what are you talking about

[fossil flicker]

Dude just scroll up

[limber hull]

It’s most recent changes were bigger groups and bigger animal

[fossil flicker]

10% speed reduction no bile normal corpses…

[fossil flicker]

Devs did say that was for allo since allo group is 4

[limber hull]

The only nerf I can think of is the inconsequential speed and stam downside to charge bite and needing to eat rot, both of which genuinely don’t matter for it

Oh, and it got a bug fixed which made it immune to bleed damage as a whole

Compared to getting a flat group and weight buff, on top of the indefinite charge bite duration, everlasting bacteria that you need to cure via salt, charge bite increasing your stability, cera has only gotten stronger and stronger

[fossil flicker]

Stability buff is only good on bodies really it’s alright without like against a teno

His bleed res scales with health so if u get a cera low his bleed res isn’t going to be great 👍

[limber hull]

Yea but otherwise he has the best bleed res in the game

And once he’s low he’s probably dying of damage anyway, not bleed

[fossil flicker]

Confirmed that when a cera is low he looses bleed res making him vulnerable

[limber hull]

Not really

Most of the fight he just isn’t bleeding

[fossil flicker]

So dibbles don’t cause bleed damage now?? Yeah nice one

[limber hull]

So to start bleeding him out halfway through is bizarre and barely gonna matter

[fossil flicker]

Carnos aren’t really good bleeders but teno can make a cera bleed if a fight is close

[fossil flicker]

As raptors u should use ur damage pounce to kill cera not bleed 😭😭😭

It does 1k dmg too

All u gotta be is passive aggro to win against a solo cera not that hard

[limber hull]

Yea because bleeding a cera is futile work lol

[latent olive]

ceratosaurus has literally only gotten buffs in the last like 3 months

[limber hull]

Lmao exactly

[fossil flicker]

100kg buff which really isn’t a major buff but that 5 pack limit does seem a bit crazy tho I won’t lie

[limber hull]

The fact that we’re even arguing that cera being able to worry about bleed like everyone else makes it vulnerable is hysterical. It still can shrug off bleed for tons of the fight

[fossil flicker]

If it’s low bro

[latent olive]

people call the stegosaurus dondi’s favourite animal because it deals 1 (ONE) strong attack and then dies

but then cerato gets buffed five hundred times a week and people look at it and say “well it deserves the buffs because it’s a KILLER it’s a FIGHTER it’s a DEATHMATCH MACHINE”

[fossil flicker]

Brawler scavenger traits

[limber hull]

Cerato’s state is literally the most memed because of how strong it is and it’s still getting buffs

There are memes literally pertaining just to how strong cera is

[fossil flicker]

Once allo is in general feedback will be full about how OP it is

[limber hull]

I genuinely think ceras will kick its ass once they learn how

[latent olive]

I’m almost certain allo players will be complaining about ceratos because allo turns SO slowly

[fossil flicker]

If u die to solo cera it’s gotta be a skill issue if ur a dino bigger than it

[fossil flicker]

Don did say it will be sped up a lil bit

[fossil flicker]

But gives us cera players an advantage when going against a allo since allo could pin a cera + has ambush speed

[pliant elm]

Cerato did not receive nerfs that really affected its gameplay, it remains the same Op as Before, but a little, very little smaller op

[minor sentinel]

why did you guys just complained about the new UI when it released, like we seen it long before, heard nothing it being bad, but when it released you guys are chanting "burn the UI down"

[latent olive]

and then they give ceratosaurus a 400 damage charge bite

and then a pin resistance

and then allosaurus gets stunned on a cerato’s parry attack

and then cerato can use a special attack at the flash of a red light to deal a critical blow

[fossil flicker]

Bro that’s with elder every dino gets a dmg increase with prime elder 😭😭😭

[latent olive]

because people are scared of change

[minor sentinel]

maybe?

[latent olive]

it’s happened every time there’s something new that isn’t a dinosaur

baby raging and then 2 weeks later and no one cares anymore

[fossil flicker]

Also why do u want a troo buff btw

[pliant elm]

Juv Troodon runs 12km

[fossil flicker]

Should be around 20-22

[minor sentinel]

yeah, like the discussion tab in the devblogs?

[limber crater]

Troo most often starves due to the nerfed travel radius since it is so slow now (troo main o/ ) unless you get really really lucky and are spawned near a corpse. You can't chase anything down and have to hope for a corpse or an ai chicken to come try to kill you. Even if you spawn near a corpse you have to pray to Dondi that it's on diet since even adult troo is too small to lift many organs out of bodies

[night hollow]

Troodon just gets the short end. harshest early life, no perks for achieving prime.... troodon just needs some love honestly

[mental mountain]

#general-feedback message @random current what'd you make this with?

[random current]

Figma

[minor sentinel]

#general-feedback message IDK but is too like JWE1 UI you know?

[minor sentinel]

#general-feedback messageThe great color depression

[wooden agate]

"reward me more for falling to achieve prime elder" #general-feedback message

no

you already get 3 extra mutations on your next life (which are buffed), you're rewarded enough for just surviving

[gritty kernel]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1428591618818179094 No.

[cosmic thorn]

Skin customization, but all you get is 15 shades of brown

[junior nymph]

@woven bane you cooked with that post

[woven bane]

appreciate it

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

deino is like, the least fitting thing for rex diet for several reasons

• rex only eats herbivores
• deino is an aquatic creature that isn't gonna get frequently attacked by rexes
• it creates a rivalry that has zero reason to exist lol

[dusky swift]

@slim wing
Did you simply copy my post and sent it in as yours?

[junior nymph]

yea they did

they even put the e at the end of entomb

[dusky swift]

That was my watermark in case it gets copied. 😂

I appreciate it when people agree with a post on the topic, but please write your own text instead.

[urban flax]

@river vapor If it's discouraging people from playing rex then it's doing exactly what's needed

[junior nymph]

@full comet the ptera normal flight speed is bugged. Its going the speed of when you are skimming 😛

[full comet]

OHH good to know. I was scareddd

Also can we talk about how often it rains 😭

[junior nymph]

LOL

atleast it looks pretty

[limber hull]

"rex, the apex, is difficult to grow"

heavens

[full comet]

Ima change my message completely and save my criticism for when the speed is fixed

[junior nymph]

lol

[bright mortar]

It's difficult to play, besides the ping bug, I was going to drink water and I was going to pass by the building next to the volcano, I ended up falling into limbo and there was water at the bottom and I drowned with my sub rex, the /unstuck didn't work... very sad 🙁

[pliant elm]

Seeing people wanting to grow a Rex as easily as they grow a Cerato is funny

[urban flax]

But expected

[past cave]

#general-feedback message

Please dont remove the unique customization from this game.

ontop of that, the colors we have are perfectly fine. Atleast they are neon red/blues/greens ect. Purples and pinks. Keep the colors we have and add it to the other dinosaurs (for instance, Pachy's color palette. Trike's colors are so bland, Rex Im happy I can remake my rex from Legacy, but with this color update, I cant be that unique rex anymore.

[junior nymph]

@tawdry flare lucky that the devs dont like mixherds too

@livid elm press enter and hover over it, it literally says in the changelogs and its been a way since forever

[tawdry flare]

Nice!!!

[pliant elm]

Neon skins in a dinosaur game is a little weird

[river vapor]

I don't agree, because the experience of raising a rex should be quite difficult and not extremely boring (as it is now).

[junior nymph]

I dont find it boring

it depends on how you think the game is

if you think its "first to reach adult and PVP brawl sim" then yes its boring.

[urban flax]

But it is difficult

[river vapor]

Exactly, it's not boring. Is there anything better than spending 4 hours growing a creature, getting 400kg with it, and then dying to a trike after growing for 30 minutes? I've never seen better gameplay, it's simply cinematic.

[outer yacht]

idk the gameplay of "walking around" and "sitting sometimes" is totally engaging we don't even need pvp in this game, who pvp's anyways pffft

[pliant elm]

It's better this way than gaining more weight faster in exchange for speed

[faint folio]

That's an incredibly frustrating game loop for sure, but it's not necessarily boring. They do need more to do than "pvp players" though

[shy elbow]

Since you are doing NOTHING to remove these hackers lately, i start feeling like i should just quit the game after 800+ hours. ridiculous...

[wintry cipher]

#general-feedback message

The compass is that color. Thats likely where the color choice came from

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
I'm pretty sure that's either fake or turbo illegal

[wooden agate]

critical thinking is dead because no way in hell do you see that screenshot and go "yes, battlefield is totally doing this"

especially when a quick google search tells you they are absolutely not doing that

i swear, islecord is a danger to the internet because of how easily you people fall for the wildest misinformation out there

[urban flax]

That's what I thought

Game devs can't just... fine people, no matter the reason
Even cheating isn't actually illegal in most countries

[tawny dirge]

people literally seeing the situation of rex and saying its ok

man a 9,5 ton rex being a saint bolt and outrun a diablo who is faster its not ok

and rex players dont even use mutations to have speed more to damage and recover hp

and dont make start about the juvi rex literally kill a full adult dilo just with the grab thing

like what the point or playing a herbi when the rex its a saintbolt and literally god on the start to the adult ?

[glad ferry]

how did we go from 80 people in queue to less than 80 people in almost all servers? (HT)

[tawny dirge]

just one thing, rex "balance"

[glad ferry]

because its too strong?

[tawny dirge]

a fresh spawn juvie rex can grab and kill a dilo adult, thats how strong is

[glad ferry]

oooooooof

[rose plinth]

His name is usain bolt.

[glad ferry]

well, server pop. is a hell of a feedback lol

[glad ferry]

😂

[tawny dirge]

and a full adult rex its a usain bolt, can literally outrun a diablo

a 9.5 ton animal

[glad ferry]

this + ui feels such a troll/ragebait/april's fools update.

[wooden agate]

server preformance issues mostly

[glad ferry]

this would be pefect stuff for april's fool ngl... but its not april's fools 🥲

[tawny dirge]

trike is ok, have weakennes and everything, but rex its just god incarneted

[wooden agate]

yeah this is just a lie lol

[tawny dirge]

my friend you can see videos showing this

[wooden agate]

it takes like 4 hours for rex to reach 700kg where it even becomes possible to pin a dilo

thats far more than fresh spawn

[wooden agate]

if you can show me a video of a 50-90kg rex pinning a 700kg dilo, then by all means show me

[glad ferry]

hmmm i see.. i noticed some rollbacks some days ago.. but still servers were full at those times.. so maybe its just all of it combined?

[wooden agate]

because those would be fresh spawns

[rose plinth]

Think of the stride of an animal with 10ft long legs vs an animal with 2ft long legs. Rex being fast kinda makes sense when you think about how they were 20ft tall.

[tawny dirge]

but you have to put on the thing of weight when a animal have 9,5 tons

[urban flax]

That is, if you completely disregard physics and biomechanics

[glad ferry]

unfortunately i wasn't able to grow a FG Rex yet.. so how are they on stamina? i definitely see how they could go fast.. but stamina should be an issue, no?

[tawny dirge]

well its better than the trike for sure

[cobalt kiln]

Bad stam decent trot speed

[cobalt kiln]

L ragebait

[tawny dirge]

not ragebait man

[cobalt kiln]

Trike is faster then rex running without ambush and has better running stam

[wooden agate]

trike can run down a rex

stego can also run down sub rexes which makes me giggle a bit

[small furnace]

I do agree that the food values need adjustment, it shouldnt be quite as low as in real life but with herbivores trike shouldnt have to eat 3-4 entire pz to get full

[urban flax]

@vagrant phoenix While yes it would be more realistic with changed food values
But it's still supposed to be a survival game, where starving is a possibility

[small furnace]

also i need isues that you guys have rn with the ht, im making a quiet long thing about it, i already have the rain/ping, pt, colors, mutations

i think herbivores suffer the most from food cuz when sauropods are in the game at the current rate its gonna take 10-20 pz to feed them so it will be impossible to sustain as a adult/in a herd

[vagrant phoenix]

I totally get it, and Ive thought it out, it would make mixpacking easier to KOS when food isn't a concern, a good fix to this is making food values different for every animal, weight isn't all that matters but the activity of the animal and the metabolism. Crocs irl can go up to a year or more without food on just one good meal if they stop moving, I'm thinking rex would need 5 tons minimum for a full stomach while Deino way less, I mean cmon you don't see Deinos KOSing everything, they're very limited to water.

[urban flax]

If animals are made to require less food to get full (which I totally agree with) food should be harder to obtain in some way

One solution would be to make killing players harder across the board, but nobody wants PoT balancing

[vagrant phoenix]

I've never usually had an issue with starvation, but it's getting harder as we are moving on to larger Dino's, it's getting hard to keep up unless you're part of the ESP cheating category, I think the current system is fine, but with the new forests, rain and fog, it's going to be really hard to find players, especially since players don't 1 call as often anymore...

[urban flax]

But if a whole pack of rexes can feed off one single trike kill food won't be an issue at all

[small furnace]

i just realised that theres a 6 hour cooldown on talking in the general feedback which might be just a bit of a problem given ive typed 1 and 1/4 pages out, would anyone be up to posting the other half? its about double the allowed dc limit

[urban flax]

Unless killing a trike is actually a rare feat

[vagrant phoenix]

I for example had some incredibly lucky kills in the past days as a deino, on a 30 pop HT server, killed a Teno, galli, 4 ton Stego and a 4-5 ton trike, and I'm still going hungry as we speak. (Mind you I'm not 100% yet)

[small furnace]

honestly only bbys that get rly bad spawns 1 call or rexes will

[vagrant phoenix]

I think trike should be deadly in the future, how does the sparing even work, if the trike takes a step forward into the rexes mouth shouldn't the rex be.... You know, impaled into the brain?

[urban flax]

Realistically it should
But I think apex fights end way too quickly already

[vagrant phoenix]

All this requires too much balancing and math my brain hurt

[urban flax]

The fact animals requires so much food isn't random
There's reasoning behind it

Now I do believe it could be made better
But there's a lot of things to take into account

[vagrant phoenix]

True, but some of the roster in the future might be very limted, not to mention Deino still goes hungry way too much for it to be a threat

I agree that starvation should be a real threat, but the map is massive, there should be at least some balance in it, and like I said, different food values per Dino, 13.5 ton rex would need let's say 6 tons for full stomach, while 13.5 deino only 3 tons

[urban flax]

There's definitely something going wrong with hunger times + hunger values in the game
The fact that all animals need to eat their own weight in food (sometimes more) in order to stave off starvations for less than one day is crazy

[tawny dirge]

like how the food of camara even gonna work

[vagrant phoenix]

I remember killing a lot of sub Deinos just to get to 50% of food as a 9.5 ton deino

[urban flax]

Maybe with diet debuffs returning+only very fresh food giving diets much lower hunger requirements could work

[vagrant phoenix]

I have no knowledge of Camara

[urban flax]

Because you'd technically be able to survive for a very long time off a single kill
But the meat would lose in quality quickly and you'd end up with a bad diet

[vagrant phoenix]

Maybe getting a good diet should speed up growth but lessen the time you get hungry?

[tawny dirge]

welll supossing the camara be like 15-18 tons will be alot of food to eat

[vagrant phoenix]

Yeah that's an issue

[urban flax]

15-18 tons is lowballing it

I don't think it'll be under 20 tons

[urban flax]

idk what you mean here

[tawny dirge]

yup 20 tons or more when gets prime elder, its like a walking eating everything gameplay

[vagrant phoenix]

Currently a diet above 150% means you grow faster right? But it also means your hunger drains faster too because you're still growing, what if 150% growth rate means you still grow fast but hunger doesn't drain as fast, but instead, far slower. Rewarding the player for eating things on their diet and well being healthy.

[urban flax]

no 20 tons as base adult
Camara is big

[urban flax]

That'd actually be a debuff in some cases because you need to empty your stomach to get more diets

[tawny dirge]

i know i'm saying in the 20-23 in full adult and more than 25 in elder

[vagrant phoenix]

I did make a suggestion on this that it would only happen past sub adult to fix the issue. Since growing fast and fit more diets as juvi is top priority

[urban flax]

It's a weird system

[vagrant phoenix]

True

But logically it would be useful

So let's summarise:
-Different food values needed for every Dino (for example 13.5 ton rex 6 tons of food for full stomach needed but 13.5 ton Deino only 3 tons of food needed for full stomach)
-past subadult getting a good diet means growing faster while at the same time reducing the time it takes for you to go hungry, should also depend on every Dino.

These seem balanced to me without causing more problems elsewhere

[urban flax]

Different food values are already a thing

And I really don't like the second part

[vagrant phoenix]

I haven't noticed it too much

[vagrant phoenix]

Maybe we can leave the second part out only for the apexes when more arrive

[urban flax]

I'd leave hte second part out entirely

[vagrant phoenix]

I guess it's not at the list of priorities, but the first part should be considered even if food values are a thing already, should be changed in my opinion. Not on the current roster but for when the rest of the roster comes out too.

[wooden agate]

i wish more importance was placed upon normal food

feels like diet is the only thing worth really maintaining, but normal hunger should be something you want to keep high as well

[vagrant phoenix]

Cries in Deino

[faint folio]

Honestly, a predator (even rex) killing a full adult, healthy trike (or any apex) SHOULD be a rare feat. It should be incredibly hard to kill a healthy apex. But in return, growing a healthy apex should be very hard. Not slow, mind, but more like risky. The game forcing apex juvis to high population areas and out foraging for food, or other stuff like that

I honestly wouldn't mind hunting success rates getting more realistic (most large predators irl have pretty abysmal successful kill to attempted hunt ratios) if in turn we also had more realistic hunger requirements and associated mechanics

[queen locust]

you're confusing fresh spawn with the 4 hours of growth to get to 800kg

[loud lake]

Where the fish at, almost never any fish. Can't play deino still because of it.

[fiery aspen]

They were on na 3 last night

But I noticed they were flying high again

[hexed tiger]

these changes made to the current color options is actually ridiculous. the color options were already limited to begin with.. if this list of colors comes to the main branch im legit uninstalling. i could be patient with ALOT of the changes dondi is bringing to this game and even like some of them. but losing the ability to have good looking dino with the current evrima branches limited options was like.. one of the few things i loved... does anyone else here have an issue with this "color nerfing"?

[hexed tiger]

Thank god