general-feedback-discussion

[proper otter]

I really hate how fast a Prime Elder Rex can just trot me down. I've been having the worst luck trying to grow a rex. Most of the time, I died to starvation at around 50% growth, since AI doesn't seem to like spawning anywhere when I need it (and I would really rather play the game than sit at the dibble feeding frenzy island). The other times I've been killed by Herb players who effortlessly reached their prime stages and just bullied anything in their area, or was unluckily found by another carnivore.
But, the other day I was finally nearly FG. ~73%. I ended up crossing paths with 2 fg rexes and 1 prime rex. None of them we actual cannibals (as far as I could tell), but they didn't reply back when I asked if they were chill which is always a red flag. I ran, they chased. I had no stam by the end of it and was just trotted down man.

[wind mesa]

it's like gigas in legacy, able to trot you down. But it makes sense, prime rexes are bigger so would have a larger gait. I'm not sure that this is something that should be fixed, it makes sense.

[spice oasis]

Hi guys...
Does anyone have any idea when Evrima will update with the T. rex and the Triceratops?

[limber hull]

https://tenor.com/view/does-he-know-gif-17552966235424643644

[spice oasis]

Sorry, my English isn’t very good. I’m not sure if they announced it anywhere…

[outer cargo]

They have not

[icy lion]

Read rule 10 #rules-and-info

[spice oasis]

Ok, ty 😄

[outer cargo]

I have found a problem, without crush spam rex just uses knockdown spam. How shall we fix this?

[barren zephyr]

The knockdown locks you in a long animation though, i think a couple seconds longer than a failed crush

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

god please no skill checks, it doesn't solve the issue, it just adds more frustation

pinning is awful, yes, but the skillchecks just add a mechanical hurdle that either prevents you from escaping or prevents you from successfully pinning

if you're not good at skillchecks, or have some kind of disability that makes that mechanic especially difficult, you're kinda just screwed, and you basically have to dismiss your chances of playing any pinner animal or surviving one. It just makes the game a matter of "who's better at precise reactions and timing"

a better system would be a matter of resource sacrifice. Sacrifice a ton of stamina that scales with the weight of the pinner vs yourself to wiggle free. The downside, obviously, is the massive stam disadvantage you put yourself at, so you'd need to get out ASAP to avoid death

dead by daylight remains as the shining bastion of why skillchecks are inherently unfun mechanics

[urban flax]

Ummm Propnight has unfun skillchecks too actually ☝️ 🤓

[knotty cedar]

i was at 49% i loged back in and i was back at 4 creating new rex wtf

I was mills away from the hackers theres NO way they used telporta hacks TO KILL ME

[limber hull]

But is it the shining bastion of unfun skill checks? No. Shut up nerd.

[urban flax]

It is because I said so

[limpid dock]

@limber hull why ❌? What's your reasoning?

[limber hull]

Same as my dislike for the skill check suggestion

[limpid dock]

But currently the system is just rng, and with pin you're just at the mercy of whatever is pinning you

[limber hull]

I’m not saying I like that either

[limpid dock]

How is that different? In this at least you know whoever is attacking you has some skill, and it raises the bar. What would you propose as an alternative?

[limber hull]

But the proposed system doesn’t make it any more engaging for the animal on the receiving end and just creates a hyper niche mechanical requirement to even properly play raptor to any level that might be considered optimal

[limpid dock]

Nevermind, I see what you said. I don't hate that, but it's kind of boring. Just watching your stamina go down

[limber hull]

It’s boring on paper for sure, but that risk vs reward decision making should be the basis of this games design

[urban flax]

@inland yew You mean increase hotspots, as it would force players to remain in one place forever (and also contradict the migration system entirely)

[limber hull]

Lmao

That’s literally already a system

MZ rewards you with diet buffs for being in your habitat

[inland yew]

No, because most dinos have more than one natural habitat, and these are spread across the map. So you can move between habitats. The point is that not every dino is everywhere as it is right now

[limber hull]

Isn’t dinos being spread out a good thing

Quite literally prevents hotspots and mixpacking

[inland yew]

yes but not if you can mixpack without Disadvantages

[urban flax]

So migrations but instead of just getting food in them you also get buffs ?

Isn't that... pointless ?

[upbeat marten]

finally someone gets it

[ornate pewter]

#general-feedback message

This is a great idea, and feels natural. Even If people aren't nesting, this creates dynamic and interesting herds or packs with members of all ages.

[jovial hound]

It is insane how this is the only game i "client Disconnect" from. And unfortunately its the most unforgiving game to DC in. literally loose 6 hours of my life due to a internal issue within the freaking game. this is nonsense and insane. You have lost an OG over this now. me an my friends shall find another game to play due to the fact you cant fix the simplest of issues. ridiculous. Be different if yall would atleast have the courteousy to return the dinos to people who lost them in such a way but no yall just say f you and f your time it means nothing to us. We dont care if you spent 10 hours growing just to randomly get client disconnected from the game we dont even install safeguards for that such as the system noticing that a DC happened and removing your dino instanly noooooo we keep it in game an able to be killed when you can do nothing about it for over 6 minutes because you guessed it we hate our playerbase

[mild sundial]

@gilded badge click enter and then hover

[junior nymph]

@ornate spade you can be infertile 🙂

[ornate spade]

I also seen a code snippet which was a list of criteria for prime elder which had “wasnested —> false” or something like that

Can’t remember the exact variable name but yeah, so whether or not that was changed idk

[junior nymph]

thats inaccurate lol

straight up inaccurate

[urban flax]

People really believe anything huh

No wonder people kept falling for the official tierlist

[ornate spade]

There’s a C++ function snippet with it in it

[icy lion]

#isle-discussion message

[ornate spade]

What am I supposed to be looking at here

[icy lion]

This is in direct reference to that "list"

[ornate spade]

Yeah okay well I’m not exactly posting the pic

[bronze niche]

@jovial hound while that does suck you are playing "hordetest" a version of the isle prone to bugs and crashing so

also rex right now to my knowledge is kind of also crashing a lot as ive disconnected from games a few times with it

[ornate spade]

I’m talking about an aspect about it which could be a problem, how else am I gonna talk about my point.

It’s in hordetest right now it’s not like it’s spoiling anything 😂

[junior nymph]

"you have lost a og over this" 🥀

[ornate spade]

Every version of the isle is prone to bugs 💀

[bronze niche]

another late growth rex gone anyways, ig thats good considering they are everywhere and need to be culled

[icy lion]

Yea, and the message I linked before is Punchpacket saying it's inaccurate

[ornate spade]

Oh, must’ve missed it. Well in that case I hope it is old news 🙏 because being unable to get prime just because you were nested in sounds horrible

[urban flax]

I'm pretty sure it's the opposite, that being nested in makes reaching elder easier

[wintry cipher]

I would think nesting would be worth double whatever negative came from having 0 diets upon spawning in. Did you test this across multiple medium creatures?

Cuz smalls are notoriously hard to get prime on and larges are a bit much of an ask to test multiple times

Id also think the infertility isn't a "has been infertile EVER" and its more graded as a "how long were you infertile vs perfect diet"

Cuz idk about you guys but I've been cheezing primes on every creature I've played so far with enhanced digestion. That thing gives you more uptime and more buffs to boot

[stuck rock]

I Certainly know what Tracking is but a Rex B Lining for you after 5 minutes in a Bush is not Tracking. Or being a baby crock running to sanctuary and suddenly a baby Trex B lines for you from miles away doesnt seem like tracking to me. Did u know that footprints dont stay for 5 minutes?

Lmao all good

[zenith pagoda]

Yes, I do know that and again, idc how far you went, carnviores can pretty easily track you down, specially considering you were a trike.

[stuck rock]

Ill add to that its Night which adds why i dont think its Tracking

[zenith pagoda]

Lmao, its easier to track at night time, the footprints are easier to notice, and rex also has a perfect nv

[stuck rock]

Imma add to a baby crock running to sanctuary and explain even more. Me and my GF are Running towards Sanctuary with maybe a 10 Second distant for baby rex speed, and 2 baby Rex come out of no where Grabs me and Continues to run straight to my GF and instantly grabing her as soon as she was in reach. You have to admit that is very sus

[stuck rock]

Maybe but if i have been there for around 5 minutes and i hear him running from a different direction i came from that couldnt be tracking my Footprints, id get if was walking sniffing to find me but he just speeded into my bush and startet to crushing bite my ass

[zenith pagoda]

was this on night time or day time?

[stuck rock]

It was on Day time and it was at Water Access inside the Forest, she was behind a Hill so outside of line of sight

[zenith pagoda]

it's just hard to believe that someone is hacking cus they found yall, i've been in a lot of similar situations and again, not saying they are not hacking but i think its a pretty low chance.

[stuck rock]

They came from the sanctuary direction, after they got me they made a Curve heading for my GF so they werent just lucky and found us they were not going for water they knew our location

[agile tree]

What a joke, I've been killed by ESP cheaters multiple times in the middle of nowhere after sitting down for a while. There are literally no footprints to track 😂💀

[zenith pagoda]

I just cant seem to find an answer without a video yk, the isle has a lot of cheaters so I wouldn't be suprised if they actually were cheating

[stuck rock]

Listen i have 1,352.8 Hours on The Isle i think i can say that i know suspicious behavior when i see it. Have played Plenty of times Carnivore and Herbivore so im not new to the Mechanics

[stuck rock]

Id love to show you but i dont have video proof as i usually use F2 to record and its disabled on Hordetest

[stuck rock]

Not my Video but you can imaging the picture of Esp cheats
https://youtu.be/rYLbl2BDIP0?si=h__A8lHalt8OL2Gc

[zenith pagoda]

okay yeah, this is clearly ESP, if this was similar to ur situation than yeah, cheaters.

[agile tree]

No joke there's so many ESP cheaters in hordetest.

[stuck rock]

I can only see as far as my Character allows be but yea they pretty much had a Straight line towards me which is a low chance to be by accident, usually when u get seen they turn to you to attack you rather than going in a straight line and instantly go for you, unless they already knew you are there.

[stuck rock]

In this Current Hordetest i was warned Loads of times that there i a Cheater in this or that area. Usually i never run into people that tell me to watch out or complain about it.

[agile tree]

The other day there was some guy who would suddenly appear multiple times right after I had killed something just to steal my food. No chance had he legitimately followed me either since I was running all over the place.

[signal wyvern]

Elder system is bugged still, my buddy's PT got prime at 100% lol. He was sitting in the middle of nowhere and he got prime...

[signal wyvern]

it's inaccurate because that code snippet doesn't explain how it's used, though that code snippet is from recent decompiled code...

[coarse spruce]

#general-feedback message
I'd scratch dryosaurus off the list unless the raptor is a subadult

[limpid dock]

they might have changed it, but last I played dryo I was chased down by a fg omni

also I'm pretty sure dryo can be ran down by a carno

[coarse spruce]

They get outran but dryo outturns both of them

[limpid dock]

no way dryo outruns carno when galli can't outrun carno

[coarse spruce]

Outturns, TURNS.

The turning speed and dodge charges enable dryosaurus to outlast everything in a chase

The reason I mentioned subadult raptor is because their stamina pool is higher

[limpid dock]

I'll give dryo another try and see how it fares

[coarse spruce]

I prefer dryo over galli for my prey item playable

[limpid dock]

I will when dryo gets its burrow, but for now galli is more fun imo, since you can outrun most things

[coarse spruce]

It plays very similarly to raptor

Yeah galli has really fun speed, I just like the engagement I get from dryo chases. I don't have to hold one directional key only

[limpid dock]

yeah but with galli you need to be more cautious of where you're running for things that can stop you. As well as it being easier to break its leg

with dryo if you suddenly get stopped you can kind of dodge out of the way

[coarse spruce]

The acceleration thing is a must though. I was hoping everything above 2tons would have some more windup

It worked great with 1.8ton carno and with the first iteration of gallimimus

[limpid dock]

yeah exactly, to give ambushers a chance

I should make more of a point of that

[barren crater]

That felt terrible on Carno

[limpid dock]

it makes sense though, horses can't immediately go to a gallop

[coarse spruce]

I loved it, I felt weighty

[barren crater]

Yeah but it's a game, and it felt bad on the "Speed" carnivore

[limpid dock]

keyword speed, not acceleration, two different things

[barren crater]

Gameplay was sluggish and you could not get a charge off unless they were mindless

[limpid dock]

I'm saying it should have acceleration in its current form, where you can immediately get a charge off

[barren crater]

When Carno had bad acceleration, it was only really hunting same size animals.

You couldn't hunt small game unless they were terrible lol

I'm not saying a change to acceleration can't work, I just think that the old acceleration was terrible on carno

[limpid dock]

my gerneral proposal is that anything that you cannot fight 1v1 you should be able to outrun, but there would be a period of acceleration. It would make carno more of an ambush hunter

[barren crater]

But yes, instant acceleration like we have now is a bit much. I think they had a sweet spot before

Carno isn't an ambush hunter. It's designed around chasing you down

[limpid dock]

touche

[barren crater]

It's whole point is hounding you in the open rn. Used to be an ambusher

But yes, I do agree with the acceleration being longer. Needs to be carefully done for all dinos

[loud sierra]

#general-feedback message "if you can't fight something 1 on 1 with default muts you should be able to escape it", have you tried being aware of your surroundings?

[limpid dock]

that is being taken into account. with some animals, especially diablo and stego right now, if a rex sees you, and you can't lose it, you're dead

[loud sierra]

Yeah, true

[limpid dock]

same thing with galli and carno as it is now, its not fun for the recipiant lol

[limpid dock]

@pseudo dagger why'd you vote no? What are your concerns?

[pseudo dagger]

I was thinking about the line "If an animal has no chance of fighting something solo on solo, and no chance of escaping it how is that fair?" and how it doesn't have to be fair, if a player who has a better chance at winning- Rex vs Stego for example- then that's the end of the line..

Or just the fact that some dinos are "better" (for the lack of a better word) than other dinos, not everything gets/needs a chance to escape or fight back.

[limpid dock]

but that's a problem is it not? its a game, and it should be balanced. People shouldn't be forced to play something just because something else has no chance at survival

[pseudo dagger]

It doesn't have to be balanced, whats the point in a dinos stats if it's always able to fight back or run away no matter what.

[limpid dock]

what's the point in an animals stats if they are merely seen they die?

as it is now if a rex sees a stego, no matter how far away it is, the stego is as good as dead

and that's not practical or fun for the stego player, that's 6 hours down the drain because they dared exist

[pseudo dagger]

I see your point, but playing as a giant herbivore isn't exactly ideal when on a rex filled testing branch.

Adding the feature you suggested would ruin the game more than improve it
But that's just my opinion and plus, you can always just log or go the other direction and hide.

[limpid dock]

hiding isn't always able to be done though, and logging isn't in the spirit of the game

[pseudo dagger]

I know, but this is a Survival game and some dinos are superior to others. Do you really think a steg should have a running chance against a rex?

[limpid dock]

also, "playing as a giant herbivore isn't exactly ideal when on a rex filled testing branch." its literally the purpose of the branch, to test, and that is my testing feedback

[limpid dock]

it should be able to escape, otherwise who will play it? Rex should be strong sure, but it should not be capable of killing anything just because its there

if you're going to use the realism angle, if something cant survive in nature, it goes extinct. Rex and Stego lived farther apart than humans and Rex, as a game, it should be fair to play

[pseudo dagger]

Well rex is the strongest apex in hordetesting right now, stronger dinos will come that are able to actually challenge rexes, stegos are just prey for rexes, and you making it seem like they're supposed to be direct competitors.
Like I've been saying, it's not supposed or going to be fair when a clearly superior dino hunts a less superior dino, same in real life.

I'm not sure what you expect to happen when a larger, stronger, faster dino wants to hunt a slow, weaker, smaller dino. (when i say larger and smaller I mean that in terms of health)

[limpid dock]

they are not supposed to be competitors, but a stego should be able to escape if the rex isn't right on it

[pseudo dagger]

how far are we talking is the rex, and what environment- jungle, highlands, etc

[limpid dock]

I died to a rex when I saw it from a literal km away, I started to run, changed my direction through a forest multiple times, and it still caught up, pinned me, and I was killed

[pseudo dagger]

If you got out of sight of it multiple times in a forest then it was probably a hacker

[limpid dock]

and sure, in real life stego would be outmatched by a rex, but also like this is a game, and people should not be punished for playing a playable they like, and being seen by another one

same thing with galli and carno, galli cannot outrun a charging carno

like hate on stego all you want, but all the people playing stego to kos are just going to move to rex

[pseudo dagger]

That's the whole point of ambushing/hunting

[limpid dock]

no, at a distance, still.

[pseudo dagger]

then that is just the gallis fault, especially if theres trees, shrubery, or things it can jump on

[limpid dock]

there are not rocks everywhere on the map, and its not practical to tell a galli to stay close to rocks since you have to move around for the game

are you trolling me?

[pliant elm]

Galli can dodge the charge or just keep running due to his extremely high stam

[limpid dock]

not when the charge is able to be aimed, and has no cooldown

[pseudo dagger]

I think your trolling, your the only one that i've seen complain about the natural order of life.

[pliant elm]

This isn't such a big problem between these two, the bigger problem is now between Rex and Stego

[limpid dock]

that's what the conversation started as

but carson fails to realize that if he was a rex and suddenly deinotron 5000 appeared, outstammed, outdamaged, outhealthed, and outsped them it would be unfair

[limpid dock]

natural order of life.... in a videogame

[pliant elm]

Even with Carno auto-hit charge (which was removed) dodging wasn't that hard

[pseudo dagger]

hows that unfair, every playable isn't gonna have the exact same stats

[limpid dock]

tbf I haven't played galli in a minute

[limpid dock]

it doesnt need to have the exact same stats, it literally just needs to be able to survive?

ie escape if it had enough warning?

like if the rex sneaks up on a stego, that's fine

but as is, a rex can outspeed and outstam and outhealth and outdamage a stego

[pseudo dagger]

Yea, i don't see what wrong with that

[limpid dock]

ok you're 100% trolling lol

[pseudo dagger]

Is that not how it should be?

What could a steg do better than a rex

[limpid dock]

literally just be able to escape if it has enough warning

[pliant elm]

The Isle's rule (before) was "If you can't fight, run away." And that's why there must be a balance between Playables, so no player loses hours of gameplay because they can't do anything in this situation, besides accepting death and losing 6+ hours of gameplay

[limpid dock]

this^

like why should someone lose 6 hours of gameplay just because a rex saw them, its not fair nor practical

[pseudo dagger]

Also, it's a hordetest, its not like this is the final version of the game

[limpid dock]

this is why we're giving feedback 😭

[pliant elm]

But apparently things are changing, which I think is terrible, as it completely ruins the gameplay.

If things don't change, Evrima will become a Legacy 2.0 that only has Apex everywhere

[limpid dock]

aka POT

[pseudo dagger]

And im sure if you asked the entire discord server, I dont think the majority would want to balance every single 1v1. Kinda ruins the point of different dinos imo

[limpid dock]

like a healthy ecosystem has something like 1 carnivore for every 20 herbivores of similar size, that's not practical, but having all carnivores is not sustainable

[unborn rune]

bring back 1,800kg carno and cera, pretty pls

[pliant elm]

It's not 1v1 balancing, it's survival balancing

[pseudo dagger]

I agree, and that means that not everything can get away if its healthy

[limpid dock]

that's not the point lol, you should be able to survive. Carnivores have a choice of whether or not to engage prey, herbivores don't. So they should have the ability tofight, or flee if given enough warning. That is fair and good game design

[pseudo dagger]

I do think they should make it easier to tell if theres a rex nearby though, like unless its crouching, make it louder

[barren crater]

I mean why wouldn't it. If we're being fair here, this logic could apply to nearly every dino in the game. They have a chance due to balancing

[pseudo dagger]

If your saying this: "If a herbivore spots a carnivore from really far away, and it just out trots the herbivore and catches up- killing it", then I agree with you.

I thought you were saying just make it to where in 1v1s, one of them always has a running or fighting chance no matter the stat difference. Unless that is what your saying..

[barren crater]

Teno is a tiny animal in comparison to its in game size. It also wouldn't be able to fight the way it does in game. You can balance anything and ignore irl

It's a game at the end of the day

[limpid dock]

no, but like a pachy should be able to run from a rex for instance, a rex and stego are not the same size as a rex and pachy, but same principle. Since a stego cannot fight a rex, it should be able to escape if given enough warning

[barren crater]

Yeah. Should outstam, outtrot and outspeed rex. Currently does out stams and outspeeds rex, the trot difference makes it rough though

[pseudo dagger]

Yea, I don't think the aggressor should be able to just trot down its prey, if that's what your saying

[pseudo dagger]

pachy or steg?

[barren crater]

Stego

And personally, I don't think stego needs a further speed or stam buff. Would just feel off?

Would allow it to harass animals much smaller than itself better

[pseudo dagger]

are you saying a steg should be able to outstam, outtrot, and outspeed a rex?

[barren crater]

Outside of an ambush (boost), yeah rex shouldn't have a hope of catching stego imo. Since Stego can't fight it.

[pseudo dagger]

There's also factors like the stego being in a group, I think most people like being solo which is what gets a lot of them killed

[barren crater]

I personally disagree with balancing around groups, considering what happens when there's equal rex's? You'd just be back to the same issue as before. Every creature in game has an answer in the 1 v 1. Stego should be treated the same imo.

[pseudo dagger]

Do the developers talk about how theyre trying to make the game realistic? i forgot.

[barren crater]

Rex is an ambush hunter in design. It has a one and done move (crush) and has an ability that gives it a burst of speed. It shouldn't also be trotting down the things it can easily kill.

No clue. Can't recall the last time they've talked about that and if that was the goal, the game is very far from it

[limpid dock]

theyre going for fantastical realism

[limpid dock]

its not guarenteed to find a group, and should not be balanced around them. Groups should be bonuses if anything

[barren crater]

Also there's like no animal that's reliant on groups in game. 1 v 1 they can all survive against each other

[limpid dock]

you should ALWAYS have a viable choice between fighting and escape

one should always be able to be done

that's one of the four Fs of survival

fighting, fleeing, feeding, and mating

[pseudo dagger]

I think for most dinos, yes.

But when your playing the big, slow dinos, I don't think you should also have the choice of being able to flee no matter what.

it's your choice to play those dinos

[limpid dock]

ok, against smaller animals, yes, as a trike you should not be able to outrun a raptor

but you should be able to outrun a rex as a stego

[pseudo dagger]

when you say outrun, do you just mean get away before it gets to close

[limpid dock]

its a feature in a game that I paid for, I should be able to use it, no? This argument sucks lol. Then absolutely nobody will play stego

[limpid dock]

yes, if you have fair warning, you should be able to outrun

[pseudo dagger]

because if its a: "Rex right behind the steg" and theyre both running, then i think the rex should easily be able to catch up

[limpid dock]

if the rex is more than 100m away the stego should be able to escape

if the rex is any closer, the stego should not have let it get that close

I'm pretty sure that was a dev statement, if you let a rex get close enough to you to pin you, that's on you

but currently you don't have a choice

[limber hull]

people don't seem to realise that if stego is just prey to rex, rex is just going to go hungrier as less people play stego, because why play stego when you just exist to be food for an animal you could be playing instead, or you could play an animal with a better fighting chance

[limpid dock]

fr

[limber hull]

you're only hurting rex by making stego so weak

if stego feels more capable, more people play stego

more people playing stego provides stego as a form of nutrients and food for rexes

it's quite literally a win-win

and if the rex doesn't want to fight a stego, it's faster so it doesn't have to

[pseudo dagger]

I just want to get something clear, are we talking about only steg or just everything in general

[limpid dock]

everything that is incapable of fighting something should be able to escape

[limber hull]

steg is the best example

[limpid dock]

simple as

[pseudo dagger]

I just don't think so. Your acting like rex getting a steg is crazy. And this is what the roster is right now, when more dinos get added, rexes will have to focus on other dinos, and so will stego. Basically, less powerful things will go after steg if that makes sense. Also it's a survival game, not a "fully balanced pvp" game.

I do agree with you on it being dumb that a dino from extremely far away can spot a (slow) dino and catch up just by troting, but I think your way of fixing that problem isn't a good solution.

And no, I can't think of a solution myself, but it's just a game and there doesn't have to be a fix or balance to every little thing.

Remember its just my opinion.
And Mr. Pachy, I like your thinking, but i don't want the certain types of stegos players back that just kos, which i feel like that would bring back but if it doesn't then i would be glad for that to happen.

Sorry i take so long to write, lot of grammar mistakes because my keyboard has no rgb in the keys, and the room lights are off

Like steg can MAYBE outstam, but certainly not outspeed

[limber hull]

there's already a solution to KOS stegos, it's rex

you KOS and waste all your stam doing so, good job, you have no stam for if you get ambushed by rex

[pseudo dagger]

so then don't KOS as a steg, or anything for that matter

also with rexed seeing you from far away, that's IF they see you. It's not theyre fault stegs are always out in the open

[limber hull]

that's an absurd argument to blame the stegos for literally being plains animals

[pseudo dagger]

food also spawns in the shrubbery, no?

[limber hull]

yes but it's not usually stego's diet food

[pseudo dagger]

and hows it fair to the rex if the steg has an ability to always get away, because if steg is a plains animal, then how will a rex ambush it? and yall are getting mad by the rex catching up to it, i think its pretty fair.

and with the growth time argument, rex literally takes longer to grow, i don't see how its unfair to lose hours of progress when you WILLINGLY go into rex filled servers as a stego.

[limber hull]

how is it fair to a rex to not always kill stego on sight? idk i think that's pretty fair given that's how every other hunt works

also growth time argument

just because you take longer doesn't make your life suddenly more valuable and you should be allowed to kill anything that takes less time

[pseudo dagger]

not what im saying

and like i said, the roster is still small and rex is really the only thing to worry about, once more things get added, rex and steg will worry about other things, so why would we add a whole mechanic if it will get fixed naturally

[limber hull]

That… doesn’t fix the issue though lmao

If anything it simply expands the issue

Because if something does to Rex what Rex does to stego, I’d also think that was unfair

[pseudo dagger]

i dont think that would happen

and how would that mechanic even work?? if theres a predator further than 100m than the steg gets a speed boost??

[limber hull]

What mechanic are you even talking about

I wouldn’t want anything like that lmao

[pseudo dagger]

than what is this whole argument about

[limber hull]

stego surviving rex i thought that was obvious

[pseudo dagger]

you prob didnt even read the entire thing

this is ChogChoy's original claim:
Everything should have a period of acceleration, and if you can't fight something 1 on 1 with default muts you should be able to escape it.

[limber hull]

yea that's valid

the accel thing i don't care too much about

[pseudo dagger]

the accel is what im arguing against

[boreal briar]

@dusty wedge good news! They're planned to be added. Teno AI was tested a bit ago. Dibble AI is in Hordetest I believe. They come with issues so they're being added and removed for testing

[limber hull]

hell on earth

they should test removing them forever

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

i don't think Gateway's current state is anywhere near how bad Sprio was. Did Gateway visually look stunning? Yea, it absolutely did. But that was more lighting than anything.

As for current Gateway, I don't feel the map is that awful at all. The new waterfall biome is absolutely superb, savannah is an awesome new biome, and the new structure they put in HT is beyond cool, docks are awesome, etc. Highlands is an ironic case of "asking for plains, getting what you want and deciding you don't want it anymore", same with the massive reductions in landmass being exactly what people asked for.

[urban flax]

The period of acceleration means something shouldn't be able to reach top speed in less than a second
The only creatures with believable acceleration speeds right now are galli and maia

[vital laurel]

@smoky pier your computer probably can’t keep up with the games audio, they fixed it for most ppl in early 2024 iirc but since in the video you’re only getting 20 fps that computer is probably just too weak

[smoky pier]

The only thing my friend Star has that differs in her specs is that she has a Nividia GEForce RTX 2060 and my graphics card is a Nividia GEForce RTX 2070 Super.

If its bc she has 1 version behind/it isnt a Super version... I MAY CRASH OUT (not at u or anyone in particular just in general)
Also imo that should still be seen as an optimization issue because how can that make such a significant difference to the audio. I just don't get it truly

[vital laurel]

its CPU bound or an issue in the machine, as i said its probably due to the low FPS and the computer struggling to run the game

[smoky pier]

What do u mean exactly by "CPU bound"?

[vital laurel]

whenever ive had sound lag its been due to the CPU hitting 100% and the computer not keeping up

[smoky pier]

@vital laurel her specs btw (sorry for the ping i just wanted to be sure u saw this cause i rlly wanna get to the bottom of why this is happening)

[minor sentinel]

@normal pumice hey just got a thing that you can look at.

[proper bluff]

do devs actually read the general feedback or is it just a place where we can whine because we dont like something

[normal pumice]

I think they made this channel for the players to share their opinions and nothing more. The admins did not explain why this channel is needed.

[proper bluff]

so im right then

lol

[normal pumice]

So really, how many people have already complained about Anti-cheat, and what's the result? All the players in the isle are SUFFERING because of CHEATERS!

[proper bluff]

yea thats what im saying

they def should be reading this

[latent olive]

they do

I’ve personally had a few of my feedback posts in the past be “marked” by devs

meaning they take it to a specific channel for future reference

not every feedback they take gets into the game, but quite a few do

[normal pumice]

But why don't they notice that a HUGE number of players complain about cheaters in the game?

[latent olive]

they do

punchpacket and kissenkitten have spoken on it like 6 times

if they speak about how they’re going to deal with cheaters, then the cheaters catch wind of this and go offline/wait for the heat to die down

if they don’t speak about it, people scream and cry that the developers aren’t doing anything

it’s a catch 22

[junior nymph]

they do lol.

its just if you start whining they dont really care

or if you are just rude or have a bad take

[minor sentinel]

How do you know?

[junior nymph]

for one we see it in changes in the game for two the devs as owlenstein said sometimes mark a post (i dunno if they do it anymore) but kissen and others have said to people "yes we read feedback"

[urban flax]

You can search messages from Punch in this channel and see him talking to people in here

[latent olive]

people had been screaming for ages for the developers to adjust the map size to remove dead space

guess what they did in this horse test

[junior nymph]

lol

I dislike it but I know thats a hot take

[livid ember]

Horse test

[latent olive]

look I hate the removal of more areas from the map

[minor sentinel]

yeah I know, I'm not one for those people that "I F&&KING HEAT THE DEV" every time I wake up.

[junior nymph]

yay

[urban flax]

Which makes you an Isle glazer

[minor sentinel]

no?

[urban flax]

Yes
Either you hate the Isle and the devs and everything relating to them

Either you're a dumb mindless Isle glazer who will lick their boots at the first occasion

There is no middle ground in here

[minor sentinel]

I'm 0.1%?

[proper bluff]

there is middle ground actually

its people who just want to play as dinos and dont gaf abt the balancing

[urban flax]

false

[proper bluff]

so u think everyone playing this game is either here to whimp about the game being bad or people who glaze every update and praise even the worst work devs are putting out

[urban flax]

I don't think

It's just how it is

[proper bluff]

so there cant be people that just want to play the game

[urban flax]

no

[proper bluff]

and why is that

[urban flax]

because Islecord

[proper bluff]

believe it or not not every isle player is on the discord

no matter how absurd that sounds

[urban flax]

"in here"

[proper bluff]

wym in here

[urban flax]

Islecord

[proper bluff]

mb for misunderstanding english is not my main language
so you're saying that on the islecord there are only glazers or whimpers

and absolutely no people that just like the game

[urban flax]

precisely

[latent olive]

he’s making a joke about how people outside of this discord think this discord acts

[urban flax]

(not just people outside of it actually)

[latent olive]

[proper bluff]

oh alr

they are partially right then ngl

[proper bluff]

question, why are so many people against buffing ptera? its literally in its worst state rn, the stam regen buff would solve most of its problems, what is the problem w that?

[limber hull]

this is absolutely not its worst state lol

spearfishing, air currents, small AI actually spawns

honestly HT ptera is great

[brittle lake]

As a PT hater pt is fine

[limber hull]

@autumn agate it can

[forest gate]

the issue is that ptera doesnt do anything

[autumn agate]

Nah, it can just hang on to trees, not actually climb it

[forest gate]

the only point of ptera is flying

[limber hull]

it can absolutely climb them

it just climbs differently from herrera

you just use jumps to climb

[autumn agate]

Okay but i meant make it climb like the herrera

[brittle lake]

You can fly entire map with single stam

[limber hull]

the point was that they don't climb in the same way

[forest gate]

sure if you try really hard

but it still needs a buff. ptera doesnt do anything

its a spectator dinosaur just like beipi

[autumn agate]

I think my issue with it is that sometimes when u try to jump up a ledge or something, u get yeeted into the air when hitting like anything that bulges out

[urban flax]

A buff to what ?

[autumn agate]

And its really hard to get the right angle to be able to jump to another tree, which i think would be nice for hypsis

[forest gate]

to its flight time or reducing its resting time

[brittle lake]

I dont want pts chasing me around entire map and regening stam in 2min

[forest gate]

dont worry they have 10 biteforce

and its very easy to kill a ptera

[brittle lake]

lol 20*

[urban flax]

It can already fly for extremely long times, despite not needing to
The stam regen is only long if you rest from 0 stam, and if you don't waste it all you can even regen while latched on a tree

[urban flax]

If the ptera lets you kill it, that is

[brittle lake]

buff cerato 🔥 Again

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/968592718102138960/1087535724162719847/lotrlinegif.gif

[forest gate]

and remove ptera 🔥

[wintry cipher]

The previous ptera was capable of killing adult carnos solo if skilled. On average they tend to chase, harass, spam call, and be used to scout for others, which I witnessed last night in which a pt guided a trike to a stego. If you only use ptera to scavenge and fly around, these changes will not harm that playstyle save for a mild inconvenience getting used to said changes.

[limber hull]

@fast garnet #general-feedback message

allo isnt out tho???

[blazing mauve]

why the hell can we only access replays once every 30 minutes?

[pliant elm]

The Carno who could die to a ptera has to delete the game

[wintry cipher]

Because players used to log in, replay, then log out and find out other players locations, and then log in and go kill them

[blazing mauve]

ig that makes sense

[proper bluff]

dondi showed allo's biteforce on a stream sth like a month ago, and it was only 175

lets sure as hell hope its not its final bf

[limber hull]

ill be honest i'd be fine with that lmao

it has a grapple/pin and as long as its bite does good bleed its fine

175 works

[urban flax]

@atomic patrol Just remove the speed boost elders get, and it's gonna be fine

Also elder times are intentionally made much faster right now for hordetesting purposes

[atomic patrol]

ah, I do think the insane size increase is bad aswell, I mean when you go from being 50 years old to 80 you don't become 7'5 do you?

[urban flax]

I'm not a dinosaur tho

[atomic patrol]

I mean, this is true, but birds don't do the same, the only species in which does that are crocidiles and some other lizards

[urban flax]

most reptiles actually

[grizzled matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[glass lion]

Alot of you seemed to dislike my previous suggestion on giving stegos that weigh 3 tons and over the ability to stun rex if it is a run up power swing and if trex is actively crushing another stego:

#general-feedback message

Please be mindful that if I knew the run up power swing didn't stun the adult albino trex, I would have switched gears/tactic and repeated impaled the rex with normal power swing, causing it's eventual death. The point I'm trying to make is: I don't wanna kill the trex, I want it to fear me, especially when there are several of my kind (more than one). I killed an adult rex by just using power swing at 2.4 tons, I kept swinging and he was using normal bites while facetanking my powerswings. Hence, while my presence alone interrupted the albino, releasing his grasp on my friend after I did the power run up swing, cause I was gonna swing like no tomorrow.

[tender latch]

@urban bear #general-feedback message This is officially my favorite feedback

[formal onyx]

@pliant elm #general-feedback message whats dibble's top speed? did they nerf it from 36?

[dreamy wharf]

@strange quiver It's something I believe in too. A good compromise or edit to the suggestion would be that your venom would work on animals the same growth % as you or lower. That way if they'd like to keep them away from being able to envenomate adults, they can, while allowing babies to cut ahead of others in growth and use it on other hatchlings/juvies.

[urban bear]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-woody-toy-story-dap-gif-26636801

[pliant elm]

34km now

Before it was 36km

[formal onyx]

devs cooking the worst changes ever

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cook-chef-master-chef-gif-13896514595528875255

[pliant elm]

They also reduced the speed of the troodon juv from 14km to 12km 🔥🔥🔥

For every 1 step forward, they take 5 steps back xd

[limber hull]

sometimes i wonder if you even like this game

[pliant elm]

I like the game, not the decisions they make in each update

[outer cargo]

So people really want a deathroll

[mild walrus]

Good to see you’re still here two years later yapping and being a kiss ass to the devs lol

[limber hull]

Glad to know you’ve been thinking of me all these years whoever you are lmao

[mild walrus]

You wish anyone did lol, we just see how you downvote every reasonable suggestion and come on here to ridicule people for having them. As if we can trust your judgement as a lousy game dev yourself that never quite took off :p

[limber hull]

My god you remember me so well

I hope people don't disagree with you in the future it could turn ugly lmao

Always great to meet a fan tho

[mild walrus]

I just looked at your steam page on your profile 😂 I don’t know anything about you or your game you were “lead dev” of lol, that and the fact that you are the biggest need-to-be-righter I’ve ever seen in a discord

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message like my basilisk deino suggestion

[urban flax]

you will puke

[normal shuttle]

😔

[urban flax]

That's a stalker alright

[urban flax]

a weird stalker

[limber hull]

bro is not beating the obsession allegations

[atomic patrol]

Some Solutions to problems that were there before and others that came in this update.

``- Rex Juv/Sub should have a top speed of 45-49km and an increase in stam pool

• Crush should only cause fractures in things up to 40-45% of the Rex current growth weight.
  -Rex must have some cooldown before he can use crush again, thus having to use his other abilities instead of just spamming crush.

-Increase Dibble speed to 36km. It just doesn't make sense for him to be slower than a Rex

-Increase the speed of Maia Juv to at least 30km initially

-Increase Troodon Juv speed to 25km initially

-Lower the Cerato Group to 4 and make the consequences for spamming the charge bite more severe, increasing the stamina cost and making the slowdown occur sooner (Currently it is 0.20% stam Every 6s and it takes 6s for the speed reduction to occur, something practically useless)``

This is not my post, but it is a great one

Credit to @pliant elm

[noble verge]

havent played in a while so i wanted to ask how is omni doing in the horde test with the rexes and stuff + i feel like the elder system must be nice for larger spiecies but for omni stuff that relies on speed not size it feels worse could be wrong tho havent grown one yet

[urban flax]

Prime elder also makes you faster

[noble verge]

but is it confirmed on how to get prime stats is it really just visiting the zones and not getting infertile ?

[urban flax]

The requirements for getting prime elder are intentionoally kept secret, but they do involve visiting zones and not getting infertile, as well as keeping a good diet

[junior nymph]

@neat drift if you are making it so carnivores cannot mix make it so herbivores cannot too

[neat drift]

if it's a choice between allowing mixpacking for both or no mixpacking across the board I'll happily take no mixpacking across the board, but to be fair in nature there are more herbivores working together than carnivores. I stand by no mixpacking though. Watching a carno, raptor, and stego all working together really ruins the experience. Admins do nothing, there's no negative outside punishing normal players by allowing it to happen.

[junior nymph]

its not nature though

its a game, the game is balanced around a single species pack not a multispecies pack

[neat drift]

regardless we agree, for different reasons, but we agree.

[junior nymph]

@granite robin your first idea is a bug same with it changing to male after entombing the second idea no.

[granite robin]

okey

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

imagine being a raptor pack and trying to wait for an opening on your prey for a minute and getting a colossal damage and speed debuff lol

imagine being a trike and minding your own business when a random raptor hangs around you for 1 minute, reducing your speed and damage by 50% and then calling over his rex friend in discord to kill you

if anything, it helps mixpackers lol

[hasty fractal]

As I said, this suggestion is not going to work 100% flawlessly. You’ve been playing this game for years, so instead of only focusing on pointing out the flaws of the system I proposed, you could spend that effort on suggesting a better solution. xD

[limber hull]

Alright

New status effect: Uncomfortable
Caused by spending too much time near another species (I don't care for the specifics atm this is a concept)

Effects:

• Causes you to emit mixpack scent
• Causes you to lose out on a possible Elder pre-requisite, like how temporarily infertile or muscle spasms do

That's it. That's what it does.

[latent olive]

see, now THIS is the constructive criticism I want to see

#general-feedback message

[chrome shale]

that's why they must give it a look for mixpacks, but for overpacking it's still a good mechanic to give some debuff

[limber hull]

i genuinely dont think it is

the debuff is just going to enable trolling and further mixpacking

[chrome shale]

for example: if u stay less than 20m to someone for more than maybe 3mins and havent dealt or recived dmg (any single one of the group), u get the debuff. Also have to keep dealing dmg every X time or u will get detected as "not hunting". Can also make it more flexible, more time for herbs to get the debuffs for example If herb is 5mins and the carni trolling is 3, the herb will have way more time to prepare so It wont be worth to troll him

mixpack wont be a thing anymore with this, but ofc as u said, there can always be people abusing mechanics

but with this, u stop the herb megapacks, the mixpack, the general overpacking

ofc all this is a simple idea and didn't give it many time, but devs can make it work with their skills i assume, the work on that haha

[manic sierra]

Wow that guy was right you do down vote decent suggestions Pachy.

[junior nymph]

@shy fox funny thing is thats the point

[limber hull]

i assume you're referring to me downvoting your suggestion

i misclicked lol

as long as it isn't neon rainbow i dont really care about the colour options too much

[manic sierra]

Yeah neon colors are not what I am after, I just want a nice forest color rex with my flare of blue. People want their dino to feel unique but if all you end up with is a rex that is blotch green with 10 shades of red as a marking then why even.

[neat drift]

This is a great idea, maybe more than 5 mins though, and only when near the same specific players across long distance because stalking prey can take a while. They already track where players are. Idk about doing just raw dmg to people though, maybe a severe hit to growth, night vision, and some other things to make the experience bad? idk, it's just been a problem for years, and relying on admins and self policing clearly isn't working.

Alright imma go back to lurking for the next 4 years gl guys! Happy to have started a productive conversation ^_^ hope to see some of you out there, and much less mixpacking!

[manic sierra]

the "purple" in the options still feels like a red despite turning the brightness down and keeping the saturation up.

[atomic patrol]

I just posted a fair thing on the general feedback and they deleted it?

Some Solutions to problems that were there before and others that came in this update.

• Rex Juv/Sub should have a top speed of 45-49km and an increase in stam pool
• Crush should only cause fractures in things up to 40-45% of the Rex current growth weight.
  -Rex must have some cooldown before he can use crush again, thus having to use his other abilities instead of just spamming crush.

-Increase Dibble speed to 36km. It just doesn't make sense for him to be slower than a Rex

-Increase the speed of Maia Juv to at least 30km initially

-Increase Troodon Juv speed to 25km initially

-Lower the Cerato Group to 4 and make the consequences for spamming the charge bite more severe, increasing the stamina cost and making the slowdown occur sooner (Currently it is 0.20% stam Every 6s and it takes 6s for the speed reduction to occur, something practically useless)

that's what I posted

[icy lion]

Don't just copy-paste other people's suggestions

[vital laurel]

@pliant elm no cooldowns, this isnt a arcade game and the rest of rex kit is just meh

[limber hull]

dilo, dryo, diablo, trike all have cooldowns

[vital laurel]

oke, remove them too

[limber hull]

also rexes kit isn't meh, it's just not as insanely broken as crush lmao

it still has murdersprint, bite, alt-bite, headswing, alt-headswing, power headswing

in fact, rex quite literally ALREADY has a cooldown with murdersprint

[vital laurel]

rework dilo so it isnt time based, no need for dryo to ever have one and spar is different

[vital laurel]

good luck hitting anything consistently with anything but the alt headswing

im not a fan of hard cooldowns, im not sure how showing me that there are others in the game will change my mind

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[faint violet]

Anybody have veiws on the prime rexes trot speed?
I made a suggestion in regards to it and noticed its a 50/50 split between people who want it to be addressed and people who don't.

[faint folio]

@hollow pewter Canni only seems to work as population control when other sources of food are limited. With deino, it works because they currently have so few sources of consistent food that all other Deinos encountered are dinner or they risk starvation.

But with Cera and previously carno, even though they were canni, they were very popular and it was very common to find overpacking groups.

[hollow pewter]

Hm..thats a point.
But I think it could work atleast for some player

[faint folio]

I think rex would be similar - there's enough ai and player food that there's no real reason for rexes to seriously consider cannibalism instead of overpacking

[limber hull]

canni mut is already becoming extremely common amongst rexes because of how much easier it makes it

today i quite literally saw 3 canni prime rexes

[faint folio]

Especially with the amount of food an adult rex probably provides

If it's anything similar to deino... One dead adult can feed 2-3 other adults. So then you get rexes over packing to then support themselves on literally anything they can find, including other rexes, instead of hoarding a rare kill for themselves

[faint violet]

Ive seen an interesting suggestion regarding this, and its simple, canni rexes can't be primes, if you get the canni muta it locks you from prime.
That way those who are massive grew that way without cannibalism but it still leaves the playstyle.

[faint folio]

Yeah, I saw that too. I think it's a really interesting idea

[faint violet]

that also partially addresses the prime rex trot issue, as then those super fast and unavoidable prime rexes are less incentivized to chase down "food" that won't give them diets, will make them sick, and give them spasms
(Yeah there will be KOSrs. but less incentive still)

[faint folio]

@proper bluff And then they can vary how common plants of different sizes are to tweak patrol zone and migration zone food sources

[proper bluff]

yeah, sounds good

[faint folio]

Agreed. Although... The fact that the speed mutations can stack is a HUGE part of this problem as well. It feels so awful to get run down by something stronger, faster, and which does more damage

[faint violet]

Add to that the only people doing entooms 3 times on prime rexes to get those stats are protected by clans and it gets toxic and nasty fast.

[faint folio]

I still play occasionally (mostly on the live branch, hence why I don't have personal experience with canni rexes yet), but I've largely changed to other games because it feels rotten to grow something that takes 5+ hours and then get killed by something you literally cannot fight or escape.

I'm still here because I do think the game has an interesting concept and play style, but stuff like the speed mutations really damages the experience for me 🙁

[faint violet]

As it stands prime rexes already trot fast, but with it all combined you literally can't avoid em if they target you, you just have to hope they are bad at tracking and will loose you in a bush, but they almost never do.

[faint folio]

Yeah I've seen some of my friends play on HT in a stream and have that exact thing happen to them

[orchid hedge]

Bro just nerded out on acacia trees.

[mighty girder]

@drowsy heron if I remember correctly entombing changing your gender/skin like it does rn is just a bug that happens if you log out at any time during a grow and not actually intended

[drowsy heron]

OMG I got to keep my beipi and get more muts! Thank you, I really thought I'd lose them if I entombed ❤️

[chilly ermine]

@orchid hedge I'm pretty sure what your describing is either being worked on by the devs or Poutine from the PP server. Forgot which one. Zones are currently rounded shapes but will be changed to polygonal allowing for more customized zones.

[gusty star]

anyone know what a mass migration zone is?

[pliant elm]

Migration that appears to everyone on the compass in a single, large location

[icy lion]

@earnest root Already in the game

[shy fox]

Are you referring to my post in feedback about how ptera is now frustrating to play? Have we not had this exact conversation before, with you specifically?

[junior nymph]

no

you havent had that conversation with me

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

wasn't a very good ambush then lmao

the trike shouldn't have had enough time to react and flee with a good headstart to the point that it escaped a murdersprint rex if it was a proper ambush

[timber anchor]

I can't find any fish spawn in northern water access it's terrible

[radiant hinge]

I found that the fish eventually spawn if you stay in the area long enough. Not sure if that is coincidental or actually a thing though.

[quick talon]

Does any one carnivore have T-Rex in it's diet? Why don't raptors have t-rex in diet? They're pretty much the best choice against a rex since it's easier to avoid pins.

[junior nymph]

probs because its a new playable and they are trying to steer away from adding carnivores to carnivores diets

[quick talon]

Yeah you're right. They should probably only keep 2 or 3 total carnivores at most in the diet. The rest should be 2 to 4 AI (depending on the dino) and herbivores for the rest. Most carnivores would ignore eachother if they weren't starving. But I fear it might make mixpacking carnivores even worse if they won't add a mechanic for that too.

[exotic remnant]

Hackers using exploits to freeze your game and kill you so you can't use the report function needs to be dealt with. Implementing moderators into the game with limited powers (invincibility, teleporting, ghost cam to observe said cheaters, etc..) to find and deal with these hackers I'm sure there are hundreds of loyal players that will happily hunt down and ban these hackers like it was a full time job.

[icy lion]

@exotic remnant Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers

[exotic remnant]

I filed a report, but because they freeze your game you can't use the ingame reporting system unfortunately

[signal wyvern]

They are also able to remove report button when you die from them, just sayin....

[exotic remnant]

Oh great

[cunning crown]

@lean escarp I can agree with you about that man but c'mon the simplest solution is to just add a stupid quick png and launch it on hordetest, trust me once they add it they'll never take it away.
All the players already use external tools I cannot understand why not add it in game simply like that, because alt tabbing is very annoying

[outer cargo]

Trike players complaining about how powerful rex is

[atomic patrol]

Stegos right now feel like a bad animal, they can't fight rexes, they can't run away and with the insane ability to just spam the pin they stand literally no chance, like 3.5K+ damage is insane.

Rex definitely needs balancing, a cooldown on the pin and maybe only so long is can hold a pin would be great, because a rex being able to click 1 button and end 8+ hours of growth is just stupid, at the least they could make it so rexes can't pin dinos 75%+ of its weight and have it so a stego larger than 75% takes reduced damage to the tail.

I don't know how many times I have to mention this, but the elders (specifically cerato) feels obnoxiously large, a 2 ton, 39KMH, 200 bite force dino with the BEST bleed resistance in the game, like what? what were they thinking? my 80 year old granny can hardly member where she left her cuppa tea, let alone out-compete Eddie Hall, prime elders are massive, you know what else is massive? sorry got carried away, but either way it looks ridiculous when you've spent forever growing a dibble and then a completely overpowered, unbalanced, glorified honey badger kills you because your little baby immune system has germophobia or something so you throw up.

[lean escarp]

Rex Pin could be substituted with a fracture/bone break charge-bite depending on the size of the prey and the Rex.

Pinning and charge-bites could also have a 5s cooldown

The most a rex could do is Pin down a prey lighter than itself.
The least a rex could do is fracture a prey heaver than itself.

This makes big game hunting actually interesting, and gives the prey a chance to fight back.
This "nerfs" Rex, but doesn't destroy its Apex status across the entire roster

[fair jetty]

@vivid acorn regarding this message: #general-feedback message. Mixpacking is technically allowed on the official servers, if you really want to avoid it entirely I recommend playing on some unofficial servers with low rules. If you ask around in #isle-discussion people can probably give you some good recommendations for servers in your region. You will also be less likely to encounter hackers and more likely to be assisted if you get stuck.

[wooden zinc]

@pliant elm never before have I agreed with something on this level , thank you for your wisdom

[west tiger]

So not sure how true it is but I heard the devs might be releasing allo into the HT for testing soon. According to a stream from Dondi unless I misunderstood

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message love how he points out why it shouldnt be a canni in the post

"they kill eachother while not even being a canni" exactly

[vital laurel]

#general-feedback message it takes like 2 seconds to scan the server list lol

[chrome shale]

@boreal vessel raptors and troods keep being knocked down, and u get a 4 year stun xd

[peak dawn]

Has anyone getting fatal error while being chased by someone? i was playing on hordetest and behind me was a big rex, and i wanted to swim across so i can get away7 from him, but noooo. the game decided to fatal error on me and the queue is now 67. it was a chinese rex so idk if this is some sort of hack or ddos. let me know if you guys have getting the same hack. lost my rex beacuse of some people...

[junior nymph]

iicr thats a hack

[peak dawn]

what does iicr mean

[junior nymph]

if i can recall

[devout pendant]

#general-feedback message

More options would be nice but total randomness would suck balls, imagine spawning in water, atop rocks or just very far away from sanctuaries

[mild sundial]

@chilly ermine Go into sound in your settings and change the volume there

[boreal vessel]

Im not saying to stun them for a life time lol. Just knock them off? They can land on their feet in a cool way, get right back into a sprint, or simply just pounce back on.

[proper bluff]

@deft jolt i agree completely but this should not apply to dinos like troodon or other small tiers since they can live in sancts

[deft jolt]

Im good with Troodon and the likes being in sanctuary, that makes it fun. However being snatched by a full grown rex that just runs right in, takes you and leaves to do it again is crazy to me

[proper bluff]

yea same

like go hunt a stego or a trike and leave the freshspawns be like cmon

[outer cargo]

@wild crescent I have an idea with the fracture idea, instead of removing it completely (Which we know damn well the devs will never do) make so it gets fracture when it becomes an adult (Fresh or full, take your pick)

[supple storm]

<@&505047238674874368> i came across 3 one shot cheaters in NA 2 and im trying to report them and get them banned. I have clips of them one shotting full grown trikes and they are still sitting right next to me.

[wild crescent]

Just when it gets to adult since thats when its bite is most powerful and there should be a frature threshold, like up to maias weight

[outer cargo]

I'm thinking more like 6-7 tons

[supple storm]

how do i report these guys?

[wild crescent]

I dont think stego should get fractured, its already slower, does less damage, and less agile. The only thing it has is bleed

[cinder anchor]

why is elder stego 9.3 tons?

That is kinda crazy

[forest gate]

has anyone suggested rex pin cooldown or punishment?

these rexes keep missing their crush bite and nothing happens

they just spam LMB until something happens

[forest gate]

also yeah stego getting pinned is so weird because it makes all those spikes seem kinda useless

[lean escarp]

#general-feedback message

wow, this puts into perspective how poorly optimized or how massively absent a lot of the asset LODs are.

for objects that far they should NOT be rendering. or at the very least, far trees should be 2D billboards.

no wonder Evrima runs like crap

[outer cargo]

Isn't steg 8 tons?

[urban flax]

nanite

[lean escarp]

nanite sounds great on paper but its also not very performance friendly. that in combo with lumen is extremely hardware hungry... most of the assets in evrima, if you take a close look, just weren't made with very great optimization strategies, anyways

i can zoom in to a 1/2 inch portion of a tree branch and still see an infinitely high res and low scale bump map texture (separate from the branch's actual color texture), and youre telling me the player's PC needs to render something they'll literally never see? LOL

[urban flax]

That's because you zoom in
That's how nanite works

[wild crescent]

6

[chilly ermine]

Pretty sure the menu sound is bound to all other in game sound. So you can’t turn down the menu without turning everything else down. Wish it were that simple

[mild sundial]

No u can turn the menu sounds down, its called user interface

[chilly ermine]

Well bake my biscuits! Was that added semi-recently because I swear it only had 3 settings in the past.

[lean escarp]

nanite is only for geometry, but it's texture streaming that affects the texture

the problem is that in a game like TI texture streaming can be a performance bottleneck with how dense the foliage is, and how often your camera might be zoomed into any given texture by just simply running through bushes or sitting in a tree.

thats a problem since now your pc has to render a LOT more things at 2-4k res rather than just one thing like a tree trunk

that in combo with their lack of billboarding and inconsistent LOD begs zero question why everyones frames suck

[urban flax]

Ok about the textures but the point of nanite is quite literally to eliminate the need for billboards

[lean escarp]

it really depends on how and what its used for. TI is mostly foliage, and nanite doesnt support alpha transparency in materials so things like grass/bushes/leaves are a no-go and wouldnt improve much if anything at all

nanite would be beneficial in scenes like the beach where there's a whole load of nothing except solid, static meshes like boulders and logs

billboards are not very noticable if you do them right, also

[whole heath]

bruh. i just entombed a deino. worked hard for it. then when i came back i wanted prime elder, right?? so i spawned in the middle of nowhere with no water to be seen. was near a sanctuary, yet it was bugged, and didnt show up on my screen. climbed a rock, fell through it, died. 6-8 hours of grinding to die to bugs. wtf this game

before i died to falling through the ground, i spwaned in with the default deino skin (not the one i chose) and it swapped my gender (didn't want that either).

[ornate pewter]

Turtles appear along the beaches near both swamps. And can even be found south of the new pits area.

I'm starting to think turtles are potentially on every beach.

[whole heath]

i submitted a bug report

[sudden shell]

This sentence out of context goes from being 100% correct to absolute 0%

Just thought that was funny

[lean escarp]

a poorly implemented billboard will stand out like a sore thumb

that make sense?

[sudden shell]

I know but I was thinking that without the context of the conversation, most people would think of a roadside billboard

And the idea of seeing that sentence without context is incredibly funny to me

[lean escarp]

LOLL

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

why not… fix the issues with entombing rather than make it worse lol

[glass lion]

Why no like my suggestion?

@icy lion @limber hull @limber hull@obsidian jetty

[icy lion]

See above

[glass lion]

Imagine spending hours upon hours getting four mutations and you come back to life entombed with only just 2? This demands a response from the devs in real time. I would rather be informed not to entomb then to watch hours go down the drain.

[wintry cipher]

The devs are working on it. Please stop being entitled. It is a testing branch and you are informed upon opening the game that it is going to have issues. Yes there is a bug with entombing. That will be fixed eventually and you can continue to test other parts of the game.

[limber hull]

I mean… you kept mutations and your other mutations upgraded. I wouldn’t call that down the drain, you still got something back

It’s bugged sure but that shouldn’t mean “don’t let females engage with a core game mechanic” lmao

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

racing and shooting game don’t have you spend 8 hours to get back where you were lol

[vernal jacinth]

@forest gate I thought that was Punch’s job

[limber hull]

It is

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

This looks like a huge bait

[limber hull]

I didn’t even read the edits, is that a ChatGPT rundown on why woman OP lmao

[urban flax]

It's not even ChatGPT

[limber hull]

I love how he acts like there’s tons of females everywhere because they’re so OP but when I play it’s a common question to ask if someone is a female

[urban flax]

There's the first time I see a "nerf females" post tbh
I mean apart from the usual "make males bigger and stronger and females smaller and smoother and more feminine and sexier"

[junior nymph]

@dusky bluff in my experience HT is brighter

[woven bane]

@earnest saffron every elder got a weight increase within the range of 18-25%, why would omni be 700kg? i do agree with some of the things you said but there ain’t a problem there. considering the fact that omni can go around deleting stuff with regular pin and that it would make meeting the grapple requirements way easier, it’d be too oppressive

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

Crazy that this hasn't been fixed yet

[icy saffron]

Question guys,, I got a suggestion for the game's content but it's overstepping by 3.5k caracters, where can I submit it?

[icy lion]

You could try taking a screenshot and uploading the image instead

[icy saffron]

mhmm

Alright i'll try this, thanks!

[forest gate]

ive been playing the isle for a decade and i swear i never even heard about that dude

[vernal jacinth]

Punchpacket is the full name

[forest gate]

i was going to add "if you already have a community manager get a better one 😭 "

[icy lion]

He writes (and posts) all the devblogs....

[forest gate]

right

[vernal jacinth]

Hi Lunar!

[forest gate]

that still isnt enough

its like sending a text message every 2 months about plans you have for your next summer vacation

and i dont think the devs get any feedback from players

[vernal jacinth]

They have like…3 feedback channels for players to use

[forest gate]

yeah but they dont do anything

[vernal jacinth]

To a point

[forest gate]

everyone is complaining about ptera and those guys are nerfing it

they clearly dont go with the community feedback

and the game is so unplayable right now

so much mixpacking so many hackers

[vernal jacinth]

Yet people still play

[forest gate]

yeah but doesnt make it any good

the more time it passes by the more poorly this game ages

[amber yarrow]

There are a lot of cheaters and a mixed pack. Why do we need a test if no one else can play?

[forest gate]

exactly

[vernal jacinth]

🤷🏼‍♀️

Wish we knew. Wish the anti cheat actually worked

[forest gate]

if the developers turn on their screens they might wake up and get a decent anti cheat

if path of titans was in steam the isle would wake up

[vernal jacinth]

One of the reasons I haven’t played in awhile

[forest gate]

see

thats why we need a community manager, someone who points out these big issues

and pressure them to take action

[vernal jacinth]

Well biggest one is time cause I have a new little one to take care of. And HT is sooo laggy 😭

[forest gate]

otherwise they'll just rub their bellies and release 1 update every 4 months

[forest gate]

another issue right there that they dont do anything about it

there arent enough servers and the queue times are crazy

you wait for 4 hours in queue to die to a hacker or a bug

[vernal jacinth]

Dondi would never allow anyone to pressure him. They’d be fired in the first five minutes or less… Anyway. Time to go play some Warcraft.

[forest gate]

or a buggy rex crush

yeah dondi thats the name

that dude is also an issue

[vernal jacinth]

Careful. You’ll get a mute or ban if you keep going. Maybe just take a break from the game for now

[amber yarrow]

There are Chinese cheaters on EU1 and EU3 now. Where are the admins? Does the anti-cheat work?

[icy lion]

Check the pinned messages in #evrima-eu to see how to report hackers

[icy lion]

@jolly spruce See above

[bronze niche]

@queen pike everyone becomes elder immediately so that the devs can collect data sooner on any bugs with the elder system, presumably a few updates from now it will probably take a few hours to start growing into elder

[faint folio]

I know the isle has problems, and I do think the devs should pay a little more attention to the major pain points of the player base, but... To be equally fair to the devs, there are a LOT of feedback posts that are either unactionable or blatantly bad for game balance. And there have been suggestions that have been implemented by the devs - for example, night vision has gotten several revisions (and honestly is still undergoing revisions) based on feedback, as is troodon venom applying fog and pounce taking less stamina. Also, the devs have been very clear that while they do look at feedback for ideas and problems, they aren't obligated to implement any specific suggestion just because it is popular

The devs have also said that they want a more survival oriented experience, and in reference to ptera I think that's what they're specifically aiming for by making the ptera worse at PvP. It's not really supposed to be killing players.

However, I think part of the reason the changes feel so bad is that the isle is missing more complicated/engaging survival mechanics. In other games in the genre (for example, Wolf quest, Ark, Green Hell, Rust) there are lots of different mechanics to engage with during down time. The isle really only has pvp, hunger, thirst, and stamina. While the elder system and mutations do allow some form of game loop and power acquisition, they require relatively little time engaging with them to gain the benefits compared to the lifetime of most dinosaurs

[forest gate]

still too little bruh

the isle is like a breadshop that only bakes bread once a year

and the bread is not even that good

it just has something different from other breads

they really need to work the way how their game is being handled

the ptera change you mentioned for example is madness to me

the little bird cant fly for long

and has to rest 3x the amount of time it spend flying

and the problem is that the only thing ptera does is flying 😭

[faint folio]

That's kind of my second point. The dinos are all somewhat one dimensional, so it hurts when they're not good at their fundamental gimmick. It wouldn't be so bad that ptera has awful stamina if it's only engaging play style wasn't flying around or fighting.

Or, you know, they could make it much easier to find thermals and slipstreams and kinda lean into the mechanical depth that could provide to benefit the stamina situation

[lean escarp]

i see Feedback as a "voting system" (and honestly instead of it being a text channel it should be a forum, but whatever)
the more voices speak out about a certain thing, the more the devs can understand how much of an issue the playerbase feels something is. but ofc, Discord is a small % of the playerbase on the Steam game.
and i'd say like 40-50% of these feedback posts are subjective and very opinionated, and aren't necessarily in the best interest of the entire playerbase, but instead themselves and their own experience. but thats up to the devs to discern.

i just think that the devs need better PR. the only "answers" we get are when they hop in general chat for like 10 minutes and play lottery with who gets an answer to their random question or not. that's not a very smart thing to do since facts and development direction can change on a dime.

DevBlog is basically useless rn because its mostly the artist team working on the backlog of dinosaurs, and the programmers have very little to say besides "bugfixing and implementing the next dinosaur's mechanics"

If we had more communication from the dev team, like a ROADMAP, frequent polls for feedback (like how petits pieds does for their server), or even just addressing current bugs and what the team actually KNOWS about them, then a lot of players would feel less ignored the way you do.

srry for the word wall. TLDR; feedback and DevBlog is kind of pointless, developers aren't perfect, TI needs better PR, and the likely answer to your struggle is communication

[faint folio]

Exactly, I agree with everything you just said. (Also, side note I think you're looking for "subjective" not "objective"... I normally wouldn't care but the two words are antonyms and are opposites of each other)

[lean escarp]

trueee thx for the correction

[faint folio]

<@&933486433342222376> in multiple channels

[fiery pecan]

i’ve only been playing for a few days but i have to say i wish the dinosaurs had some sort of emotes lol. like an agro or a friendly or a playful. anything really. the sounds are great!! i just wish we had some other things as well.

[potent flower]

#general-feedback message the tail damage idea would be a pretty appropriate debuff for a tail fracture

[vital laurel]

#general-feedback message why just why do you want to spend more time as a defnsless baby? Also there still isn’t much to do as a juvi lol, its after you’re a juvi that stuff happens in your growth and gameplay loop

[limpid dock]

I figured it would make sense if agility was affected, since animals use their tails to balance

[glass lion]

Can someone tell me why my suggestion was removed? Suggestion: I suggest you give me a community badge for this sole paragraph:

[Responding to @raging triceraptops ]:“If you gotta a problem with me DM and we can solve it.”

Look dude, I don't have a problem with you. Had a rough day and was just killed by a horde of rexes. When I came on here, it wasn't for conversation. It was specific information. You didn't have the specific information and I found it very annoying for you to respond in the way that you did. I said what is "the silent update" and you said and I quote "there is no 'silent' update". I then proceeded to provide evidence as to the changes. You then called these so called pieces of evidence as "bug." Which was frustrating. Your first response was ok. Your second response was stupid. Which aggravated me. I escalated my argument by providing more pieces of evidence and isolating the "bug" vocabulary you utilized. If you feel you have a problem with me, do not DM me. Please message <@&933486433342222376> or <@&579345586965446657> and they will help you.

If interested in full message visit: #isle-discussion message

[queen locust]

💀

[icy lion]

That's neither a suggestion nor feedback. Read rule 1

[limber hull]

Lmao

[magic sapphire]

You can get sort of close to a playful looking emote with the T-Rex by wiggling left and right

[fiery pecan]

ooooo

[urban flax]

You literally asked a question, got a normal answer and got mad instantly for no reason dude

[junior nymph]

@urban bear one thing I can agree on is the massive map

thats why im sad that isla spero never came

[hidden crow]

Question: Haven't played for a few months now, is Troodon still painfully slow?

[junior nymph]

as a juvie yeah, as a adult it has never been slow

[hidden crow]

Ok, thanks

Wait did Cera get a speed nerf? Because I swear I always had a problem running away from Ceras.
Then again, maybe they were hacking...

[junior nymph]

they have not got a speed nerf

they are still 40.1

[hidden crow]

Hmm, thanks for the info anyway :>

[hallow zodiac]

why are people saying rex shouldnt get crush until 50%... AND nerfing the speed... its rough enough being a Juvi, Rex Juvi is seriously one of the more pathetic Juvis

[rugged timber]

A juvie rex shouldn't have the strength to crush a fg carnos leg plus shouldn't be able to outrun it for example

[urban flax]

Juvie rex is literally the strongest juvie

[rugged timber]

What I get from your message is that you tried to grow a rex many times and you died

[rugged timber]

Literally

[hallow zodiac]

25-30 Rex Juvi cant Pin a deer and gets two shot by boars (it also cant outrun deer)
30-35 Rex Juvi pins AI (finally)
35-40 Rex Juvi is adult dino fodder (Ive killed so many rexes at this stage)
40-47 Rex Juvi is the fastest thing in the isle, can pin things its size, has really bad stam
47-50 Rex Juvi, well its jsut a Sub Rex at 40-50 kmph

[urban flax]

Now compare it with the rest of juvies, most of which don't have the ability to pin at any point throughout their growth

[hallow zodiac]

the rest of the Juvis grow to Sub in the same time a rex gets to 30%

without eating, a fresh spawn omni gets to pin a fresh Juvi by the time its at 2% hunger

thats about the time it takes to get from swamp to south plains sanc

[urban flax]

Many juvies never reach the size of a 30% juvie rex

[hallow zodiac]

which, for an omni, isnt even its entire stamina

[rugged timber]

• A fresh spawn juvie shouldn't be able to pin a deer and boar plus you can get them since they run left and right and not only straight
• Most juvies still struggle with ai in that growth stage
• Like every juvie
• Why is a juvie the fastest thing in the isle like read the sentence and tell me how does that make sence. And if it's not able to pin then it breaks your leg..
• Just a sub rex he says that can pin any other dino that we currently have in the roster at that size and runs 40-50 kmh yep seems fine.

[rugged timber]

Duh because it's an apex I can say the same about deino

[rugged timber]

Where are you going with this now ?

[hallow zodiac]

im saying... an Omni, at the time it takes to go from Swamp to South Plains... can already pin a Juvi Rex

[rugged timber]

My guy you don't only have omnis running around and if your point is rex should grow faster or other juvies should grow slower then you really don't understand it

[urban flax]

And some time later the same juvie rex can solo an entire pack of adult omnis

[hallow zodiac]

no, the point is, everything around the rex is designed to make rex juvi extremely hard, it suffers more than the other Juvis

for much longer

so keeping its ability to Pin... is kind of important

[rugged timber]

If you make rex grow faster or increase wheight gain it dominates the sanc

If you make other juvies grow slower they get destroyed by a juvie rex because other juvies don't spawn in with 50kg but with 20-35kg

[urban flax]

It suffers less for longer

Rex is the only playable with a juvie that is stronger than most adults of the same size

[hallow zodiac]

the challenge currently for rexes is to get to 40%

thats the first 2 hours of gameplay

[urban flax]

Did you know some playables are still challenged beyond 40% ?

[rugged timber]

Because you only have rexes running around you have to think further than that when it gets released to evrima there are not only gonna be rexes like on hordetest

[hallow zodiac]

and a rex is still challenged beyond 40%, its got the worst stamina ive seen in a playable

[latent olive]

Some still are until they’re 80%

shoutout to pachy

[urban flax]

Yeah but a 80% pachy destroys a 25% juvie rex so I guess rex needs a buff

[hallow zodiac]

it also doesnt have a single carnivore on its diet

[latent olive]

five buffs straight to ceratosaurus

[rugged timber]

Ok so you are out of arguments now like where are you going with this you say it doesn't have carni on it's diet and that's why it's a weak juvie like 😂

[latent olive]

good

hope every carnivore starts losing carnivores from their diet

[rugged timber]

Can't agree with that one

[latent olive]

I can

[rugged timber]

Alright then we both have our own opinion 👍

[latent olive]

because carnivores eating carnivores eating carnivores eating carnivores is a vicious cycle that really boosts that 84% carnivore population on a single server

[urban flax]

I hope carnivore diets stop being species-based

[rugged timber]

Uh no because canrivores die in that process if you take that away then you have the problem you describe

[urban flax]

That's the opposite of how it works

[latent olive]

I hate to say it but ceratosaurus (and deinosuchus) currently should be the only playables in game right now that eat other carnivores simply because they’re garbage disposal units

[rugged timber]

If I see a a omni as a raptor as a cera now I want to kill it because it's on my diet -1 carni

When it's not on my diet there is no point for me to kill it so I let it live and look for diet which is on my list -0 carni

[latent olive]

people just play carnivores because carnivores interact with more carnivores and because carnivores provide more food because there’s more carnivores

this is like the cannibalism thing for rex

it doesn’t lower the population, it massively boosts it

[rugged timber]

It's a normal cycle in nature carnivores fight over food and you can't force people to play herbis if there are more carnis than herbis that's the playerbase decission

[latent olive]

short scale yeah you just killed a carnivore

but what about the other carnivores that easily feed off the scraps or each other

[latent olive]

herbivores would see far more action in this scenario because carnivores now need to eat herbivores for better diet and more food, giving herbivores more incentive to actually play

meanwhile all carnivores do is get nutrient boosts or whatever from organs before needing to kill a herbivore

herbivores seeing more action results in less boredom for those herbivores

[rugged timber]

But this is exacrly the scenario you want

A rex doesn't have carnis on it's diet but still kills other carnis, the same is gonna happen with other carnis

[latent olive]

this is a huge side tangent from that dude complaining about people calling the overpowered juvenile rex overpowered

[latent olive]

yeah and it provides more incentive to hunt herbivores than carnivores, being you simply don’t get as much diet from eating other carnivores

[urban flax]

Carnis killing other carnis is not an issue
Carnis being able to survive exclusively by killing other carnis is

[latent olive]

I’d rather eat a stego than three ceratosaurus because the stego’s entire corpse gives me nutrients rather than just three sets of organs

[latent olive]

this

they should be killing each other but not sustaining on each other

endless cycle

[rugged timber]

I mean he hasn't said anything so can't continue

[latent olive]

true lmao

[hallow zodiac]

Rex current weakness :
Big Size (for a Juvi) , easily spotted compared to other Juvis
Stamina : They Burn Stamina fast
Turn Radius : Omnis, Dilos, Pachys, Ceratos outclass it so much its ridiculous

Juvi Rex may have brute strength and speed at 40-47% but it doesnt even have the gimmicks of other Playables, without the pin, the Juvi rex straight up cant hunt

dont take away the pin, make it only be able to pin like... 50% its weight

[rugged timber]

I do get where you are coming from but herbis have it even easier growing with their mushrooms and their endless plant support plus they can't starve so when you as a carni walk around don't see any herbis and you come across other carnis why not get rewarded kill is kill imo

[urban flax]

The reason you don't see herbis and only see carnis is because they make up 80% of the server's population

[rugged timber]

My guy the big size is a advantage for it because it just wheigs as much as a adult but it's a juvie

It's a ambush predator so the stam is not made to do long chases

[hallow zodiac]

so how then will it hunt without pin if its an ambush predator

[rugged timber]

And if it would turn faster than a cera or raptor then we have a whole nother problem

[rugged timber]

With your insane biteforce and speed like most things your size only need what 3-4 bites

[urban flax]

Like the other ambush predators who don't have an autowin button

[rugged timber]

And your stam in that stage is not that horrible as you make it sound like this is not PT

[rugged timber]

Because people like carnis more than herbis because of personal prefference

[urban flax]

And also because herbivores aren't required as part of the ecosystem

[rugged timber]

Ok true but it is still a game and from my personal experience that I have I've seen plenty of herbis so it's not like that they are near to extinct but I ofc understand your point. Just don't think it's a major problem atleast for me I can live with it.

[hallow zodiac]

just saying, it take 2-3 hours for a juvi rex to grow to that size... an seems fair that it should be able to take on dinos th at have grown for that long

[urban flax]

It's not a top priority
But definitely something that can be improved

[limber hull]

“Take on” is not the same as “instantly nuke”

[urban flax]

No, Apexes should be hard to grow
Especially seeing how OP adult rex is

[rugged timber]

the problem is they press one button and you are dead they don't take on they destroy you in a matter of seconds

I could say the same about deino and say "Oh I have to grow 3 hours to reach that size that is so unfair even tho I'm 8 tons heavier in the end"

You see the point why apexes need that time to grow ?

[hallow zodiac]

and if you take away the pin, how would a rex that cant turn the way the other playables can, win? it doesnt have the stam to keep up with any other carnivore

[rugged timber]

Otherwise you will only see rexes becaue people say why grow anything else if I can just dominate everyone by playing rex

[urban flax]

idk, how do other dinos without pins win fights ?

[hallow zodiac]

you see all rexes in HT right now?

[rugged timber]

It has the speed nothing can run away from you ???

[rugged timber]

Yeah and is that nice ?

NO

[hallow zodiac]

they have gimicks.. omni has pounce, cerato has charge bite, bacteria, Dilo has venom..

[rugged timber]

Because any other cera,carno,raptor gets destroyed

[urban flax]

Even without pin, rex still has bonebreak and a stunning headbutt

And replicatordamn stupid ambush speed

[limber hull]

Dilo doesn’t get venom until it’s no longer juvi

So yea, make it like dilo

[hallow zodiac]

Dilo gets venom after 30 mins of growth...

[rugged timber]

30min ??? I want to see that

[hallow zodiac]

rex is still 30% after 30 mins of growth

[urban flax]

And dilo is still 700kg after 6 hours
How big is rex after 6 hours ?

[rugged timber]

Make a video and show me you reach 50% as a dilo in 30 min cuz how do you get constant supply of diets all the time without using the time to search for it hmm ?

[rugged timber]

This

[hallow zodiac]

finding diets is the easiest thing... literally go to Sanc, go to AI Spawns... heck go to Dibble Island, lots of dead things around to top off on diet... by the time you're starving after spawning, you're already big enough to kill rexes going to Sanc after spawning

so... if you cant do that, perhaps its a skill thing

i kill juvi rexes for fun as a 35% Omni and Dilo

shoot... a Juvi Dilo can kill a Juvi Dibble

[rugged timber]

Alright since you wanna go that road. I don't have an issue finding diet I'm just saying growing a dilo in 30 min to 50% is a whole lot of bs from your side. Plus several people already explained there side on which you several times went off topic to topic such as diets.

And honestly it sounds like you have a skill isssue the majority of the playerbase agrees that juvie rex as for rn is way too op but you somehow can't manage to kill anything from the sounds of it nor grow it.

[hallow zodiac]

ah.. so im better because i can kill the Rex easily

Killed Juvis and Sub Rexes as a Cerato, Dilo, Omni

havent done it yet with a Carno...but i assume its easy too

[limber hull]

Juvi Rex has every AI on its diet, it doesn’t even need to be crushing, just hunting crabs, chickens, goats or anything. At sub is where it actually starts needing the crush in the first place

[hallow zodiac]

there are servers with no ai

[limber hull]

And you can scavenge corpses in those, that’s typically how I play juvi rex

[rugged timber]

Since you are so hardend on your opinion and stated multiple times it sounds more like a you problem so this discussion is a waste of time and energy because you my guy can't provide any relevant facts that show that rex should be this overpowered. The only thing I hear from you is "how should you be able to kill smt without pin" my guy if your only way to kill smt is by pinning them then you clearly don't understand how the gameplay works you got insane speed,insane biteforce, you got a stun with your head or can knock people over with it, if that is not enough for you to kill smt then you have a skill issue that is incredible.

[rugged timber]

then don't play on the no ai servers ???

[hallow zodiac]

you're the one who says that pin needs to be removed form Juvi rex, i said, dont remove it but make it able to pin 50-60% of its weight... turning it into fodder isnt balance, its dumb

i gave an argument as to why it needs pin, it cant keep up with anything otherwise

[rugged timber]

ah and you can GO tO seT aI sPawNs oR juSt go tO the DiBble IsLand If yoU can'T do ThAt it Is pErHaps a sKIll thiNg

[hallow zodiac]

ah yes, insults, the argument of the loser :>

[rugged timber]

• Insane speed
• Insane biteforce
• Stun push over ability

[rugged timber]

I stated what you said to me :)

So who said it first oh right you

Tell me who is the loser now

[hallow zodiac]

misquoting out of context is also the arguemnt of a loser

because that was... talking about the Dilo :>

[rugged timber]

It is talking about getting diet my friend

[hallow zodiac]

on the Dilo

[rugged timber]

And you tell me you can't do that with a rex ?

[hallow zodiac]

spawns too far

except for the delta spawn

[rugged timber]

Oh so now it's the spawns alright.

[hallow zodiac]

the spawn locations for the rex are South Plains, Swamps, West Rail, Highlands, and one on Delta, Dilos spawns are much closer to DIbble Island

[rugged timber]

your point literally is it should keep the pin ability otherwise it can't kill anything or you can't

which is absurd at it's best

[hallow zodiac]

my point is that its tools are sufficient

its the tuning of the tools

plus... your problem is with a Juvi that has grown for 4 hours already

[rugged timber]

Tell me how would you tune it then so it's not op

[wintry cipher]

Tbh, consistency needs to be decided on when it comes to abilities. Omni, Allo (assumed), Cerato, and Rex can all use all of their abilities from the start. So Dilo and Troodon just need to be updated to have venom before 50%. That, or nothing should have a major ability before 50%. I would personally debate for everyone having their abilities but that they are weaker when young so new players can learn what they can do from the get go.

[rugged timber]

Because it's an apex how fast do you want it to grow ????

[hallow zodiac]

exactly as it is

im saying... if someone invests 4 hours into growth... those 4 hours better have something to show

and if all i get is a speedy raptor that turns like a truck... then ill pick a raptor or a cerato

[rugged timber]

Yeah you have smt to show you have an insane speed a good hp pool and god biteforce

[hallow zodiac]

its not jsut about balance its respecting the time sank by the player

[rugged timber]

then play cera or raptor ?

[hallow zodiac]

take a 4 hour Juvi Rex... 1v1 against a cerato, Cerato wins 8 out 10 times

[urban flax]

You know rex turns into adult at some point, right ?

[hallow zodiac]

without pin

[hallow zodiac]

and to that point, its not even keeping the speed for very long... it goes from 60 to 50 to 40 kmph very quickly

[urban flax]

thankfully

[hallow zodiac]

the way i see, its designed to hunt something while its at its fastest to make the transition between speed demon to sub adult not suck butt

going from 47%-50%, a rex is vulnerable to most adult carnivores

[rugged timber]

Because this game is not made to fighe everything head on you can hide run whatever ofc you don't go up to a cera that's bigger than you what point are you trying to make

[rugged timber]

so you even wanna keep the speed as an adult ok you are on a different level LMAO

[hallow zodiac]

... but isnt your complaint that a 4 hour rex nukes a cerato?

[hallow zodiac]

is your thing just making assumptions, im jsut stating stats and you seem to like putting words in my mouth

out of context

[rugged timber]

Uh no I never said a 4 hour rex destroy a cerate I never said anything about specific 4 hours

We used that example for dilo but Ig you alread forgot

[hallow zodiac]

a Juvi rex is at its prime at 4 hours...

[rugged timber]

Didn't say that

Let me find that message

[hallow zodiac]

no you didnt... but that is when a Juvi rex hits its prime

thats when its able to pin ceratos

[rugged timber]

Here

[hallow zodiac]

a Dilo maxes out at that weight...

[rugged timber]

Yes and a rex kills it at that time

So what point are you trying to make you win

against a dilo

[hallow zodiac]

i didnt want to engage in a strawman

those are not even in the same wieght class

at 4 hours a Cerato is a full adult... probably headed to Prime, to me, it makes sense after 4 Hours, a Juvi Rex that weighs about the same... should be able to compete, not be fodder

[rugged timber]

Yes and imo it shouldn't be able to do that because it has the speed to outrun a cera if you take the pin away it has the speed to run away from a cera so no problem

[rugged timber]

A cera at 4 hours is max it's alredy frail

[hallow zodiac]

it doesnt have the Agility of the Cera, it doesnt have the Stamina

[hallow zodiac]

then even more reason for a chunky Juvi Rex to kill it...

[rugged timber]

Ok then give it better stam happy now ?

[hallow zodiac]

yeah

Better Stam

gives it a fighting chance

[rugged timber]

It'

It's not always about fighting this is not a pvp game

you ahve the chance to run away or hide when you see smt that you can't kill

[hallow zodiac]

it is a PVP game..its a kill or be killed game... thats the whole point

and a Juvi Rex that size... cannot hide at its current stage

[rugged timber]

But see it from the ceras perspective you are 4 hours in you are prime then a juvie rex that you can't outrun comes behind you pins you kills you in 3 seconds does that sound balanced ?

[rugged timber]

It can.

I know because I did it

[hallow zodiac]

and I know because ive tracked a rex at that stage

[rugged timber]

Yeah well if you have someones tracks then nobody can hide from you then it's not even about rex bring me relevant facts

that are related to the rex topic not tracks not diet list we talkl about the pin

[hallow zodiac]

that is a relevant fact, the game is kill or be killed... fight or flight, without pin, a Juvi rex will have neither fight nor flight

[rugged timber]

and btw you don't only fight against fg ceras just saying

[hallow zodiac]

Carnos and Ceras, same weight class

[rugged timber]

without a pin it can still run it runs nearly 50kmh in my feedback

[rugged timber]

omnis and dilos don't exist in your world aswell as other small things ig

[hallow zodiac]

50 kmh with its stamina, wont run far and Will get tracked

[rugged timber]

You don't use all of your stam in an instant you create distance then walk so you regain stam and if he gets to close you run again ?

[hallow zodiac]

theyre not relevant to the pinning argument because they are way below the rex weight class, them getting pinned is a no brainer

a 700 kilo Omno and Dilo will 100% get pinned by 1.3T Juvi

[rugged timber]

Them being killed without a pin is the thing here you don't need to have the pin you can kill thos without the pin you can go for ai you can go to hl and kill gallis in that stage you don't need that op pin

And if in your world you only run into carnos or cera then I can't help you this is a realistic game you can't balance everything out there are just some dinos that you run into that you can't kill like in nature

[hallow zodiac]

they out maneuver you easily, those are the two carnivores ive killed 47-50% rexes the most

[limber hull]

Nope, juvi Rex that’s much smaller can pin animals WAYYY bigger than itself thanks to its bizarre stam/health condition

[rugged timber]

Thank you my god

[hallow zodiac]

then thats the problem, not the pin

the tuning of the pin is the problem

which is why i said tune it down to a percentage of its weight

tuning it down to a percentage of its weight means it wont Nuke ceras, but it can pin Omnis and Dilos

And it doesnt pin Adult Trikes

and Stegos

but it can Pin Dibbles and Maias

the kit is fine

the numbers are not

[rugged timber]

What percentage would you say fits then ?

[hallow zodiac]

somewhere between 50-70 is probably fair

then again... an Omni can pounce 100% of its weight

[rugged timber]

Because it can pounce on the dinos side which adds the whole own bodie wheight to it rex can only force someone down with his mouth

So it shouldn't be a 100%

For rex

[rugged timber]

So you agree that the pin might be too op ?

[hallow zodiac]

the pin as it is, is overtuned to hell, definitely make it either spend WAY more stam, or make it so it cant pin higher than 70% of its weight

the rex needs it kit, but it doesnt need its kit to be overtuned

[icy saffron]

it's not what the game is aimed to be

[urban bear]

Yeah it just felt like a much bigger and expansive world, I really miss that part of The Isle its yet to be replicated by Evrima. Everything felt more spaced out and slower paced

[icy saffron]

@pseudo dagger #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[pseudo dagger]

not a bug

[sweet mason]

yeah that is not a bug

purely has to do with ragdoll physicis

[lean escarp]

#general-feedback message
i like the super slim gecko-type eyes for Troo, but i wish their pupils were dynamic and reactive to light and their broadcasts.

would love to see their pupils get massive when they OOOWWAAAAAA

[vital laurel]

@summer olive i think you mixed up the images

[summer olive]

wdym?

[summer olive]

Oh, youre right! Whoops!

[icy lion]

The right image is the placeholder eye texture that was never intended to be for troodon

[summer olive]

Thanks for noticing haha

[icy lion]

The animators use them to easily check that the eyeballs are aligned

We've seen screenshots or streams of every playable in the game with that eye texture, it eventually gets replaced

[summer olive]

the actual eyes right now just straight up look like they dont have pupils tho... its like blank colored balls

[summer olive]

so you mean the soulless eyeballs we have right now are gonna be replaced?

[icy lion]

? No, the texture we have in game is the final texture

[summer olive]

it looks horrible

[icy lion]

Whether or not the devs are able to add dynamic pupil dilation, we'll see

[summer olive]

i dont mean pupil dilation. I mean that the pupils are nearly invisible and if you aint close up it just looks like an eyeball with no pupil at all

[icy lion]

Yea, I know. Dilating the pupils would fix that

[summer olive]

true. but i think it would be much easier to just change the texture slighty and make the pupils darker in color and possibly a little wider, so they dont match the selected color. because the pupils kinda just become the selected color right now

[vital laurel]

crazy that the placeholder looks better

[summer olive]

this...

literally even a straight line would look less haunting

[limber hull]

Imho the addition of eye colour customisation was purely negative for dino visuals

A ton of cool and unique eyes got butchered

I never use eye colour customisation because I never think it looks good

[summer olive]

I mean I sometimes use it to make the eyes bale blue/green or yellow. But i never use super unnatural colors like neon red or deep ocean blue

[lean escarp]

tbf, the artists were aiming for a look like this. gecko pupils during day basically look like a row of 4 dots

[summer olive]

I know. I figured that. However even in this animal you can see the pupils from afar. in troodon theyre just almost invisible. Also this eye has much more detail and a darker tone in the middle, than the troodons eye

[drowsy heron]

cursed troo is funny tho ngl

[lean escarp]

i think in the game sc its just light exposure and the fact that you chose pure white as the example colour

[summer olive]

and tbh as long as theres no pupil dilation ingame this design will just look really cursed

[summer olive]

I didnt choose it. It was the standard color from the skin. But also in the other examples where they have colored eyes you can see that it stil looks cursed

[lean escarp]

i think dynamic pupils would add a lot to the game's vibe. love the glowing eyes at night already, just go a step further

[summer olive]

i like how troodons eyes reflect light with nightvision in a round circle, yet the pupils remain thinner than my patience with this game haha

close up they look fine, but from further away, which is how most players will see the troodon, it just looks cursed

[gusty flax]

@round bay the explanations are pretty simple already lol

If it says that its gonna convert dmg to stamina, then thats all, ur basically just asking them to say what they already do but in more words

[shy fox]

except it literally does not convert damage to stamina, it does not give you any DR. you're still hit with the full amount of damage from a hit, but it gets partially refunded to you in the form of stamina. but no dr

[zenith pagoda]

ofc u wont see the troodon's pupiles, the thing is one of the smallest dinosaurs in the game, plus it looks better that way, not cursed at all, if the pupiles were bigger, troodon would look too cartoony all the time.

[quartz meteor]

but unfortunately and realistically that is what it is. If these were real dino's I'd agree with you 100% but these are characters being played by humans. Humans do not like real life simulators unfortunately. They like PvP

So you can cry " its not a pvp" all you want... but that will fix nothing unfortunately.

[chrome stone]

I am one of those players that plays this game the old fashioned and original way/style but I always get killed by mixpacks, cannibals or hackers which is just sad and frustrating. These people ruin this game by playing this way. And they always get away with this.

It is just that if you don´t mixpack, hack or cannibalize (without your species being on the diet list) making the normal and original way of playing this game unrewarding and like I said before frustrating . WE have to eradicate them, or the devs have to think about some additions so they can balance and change stuff about mixpacks, cannibals, hacker so the normal playerbase come´s back and has fun again. Especially what about the new players? What do y´all think, what they think of this game if they grow their first dino and get killed by mega clans?

I just want to have fun in this game again, like in the good old times. But times have changed and we have to adapt, stay strong and tight together so the original playerbase that doesn´t play unfair will survive. Or you will one day die by mixpacks, hackers or cannibals too. Act now, be aware of now. Let this not be the future of The Isle Evrima.

Spread the message for the sake of this game ,Thank you!

[glass lion]

Just submitted a general feedback. Appreciate any thumbs up you can give. I really want to see this game do better.

[nocturne wagon]

Does ambient animal sounds confuse anyone else? Or is it only me who's silly enough to fall for it?

[maiden anvil]

@limber hull I noticed you disliked my feedback. You’re one of the smarter people here so may I know why?

[limber hull]

to me i feel it would massively harm new player experience even further

old players have permanent entombment buffs with more damage, damage resist, stam, speed, etc

new players got nothing

[maiden anvil]

That’s a genuinely good point. Thanks for sharing

[junior nymph]

It’s stupid

[urban flax]

gm_flatgrass greatest map ever I guess

[junior nymph]

lol

Also the ambient ai feedback, it’s hilarious

I’d honestly ask for more ambiance

[proven river]

@quaint kraken
#phase-three-requests message
I believe our beautiful Austro is coming either between Bary and Kentro (not sure which of the two is first) or after them, but it's -relatively speaking- sort of close, and I don't think it would be unreasonable to say it comes out before 2027.

[formal willow]

@ornate spade nerfing stats based on gender is just going to discourage nesting even more lol. There is no reason to pick female if it gets implemented, you'll just die to every other male of the same species so no one would want to pick it

[icy saffron]

oh, that's not what I meant -
No matter what the players want, Dondi, as the direction leader for the Development, made sure in his streams to tell people that the game would go his way, and only the players who like the game the way he wants it will stay, while others can go do some PVP somewhere else (not with those exact words but that was the idea)
And I kinda agree, if not all players want a fully realistic game and can't find fun in a combination of extreme immservity and realism, it is a matter of personal taste and at your own consequences
I say the word "extreme" quite easily when they invent stats and actions for dinosaurs that probably did not have these, but it's still noticeable that they try their best to keep realism there while walking a thin lign of balance with gameplay-friendliness

[viral oak]

Hordetest server kicking me every day once for no reason, usually not long after joining, have to sit in an hour queue 2 times to be able to play, hordetest Eu 1 west, feel like they could add a 5 minute rejoin time similar to what Rust has.

[ornate spade]

It’s not a nerf, lol 😂

Take the elder system for example, half the player base is complaining about losing speed for the extra weight.

[junior nymph]

@forest gate punchpacket is the community manager and they use player feedback, its just most feedback sucks

[forest gate]

get a new one 🔥

look at pot community management

its clearly not the player feedback that sucks

some suggestions are amazing and necessary

[charred beacon]

@nocturne wagon Regarding your feedback, If it isn't on your preferred diet, either it doesn't exist or you shouldn't go for it 👍

[charred beacon]

@ornate pewter Then entombing becomes even better through an afk playstyle, I believe that punishing players for playing the game has no place in this game to begin with and should be overhauled. Though it probably wont be removed even after the whole community calling it out

[charred beacon]

Extremely untrue

Just because they dont wanna go backwards on anything doesnt mean the feedback sucks

[icy bramble]

Tapejara my beloved

[indigo notch]

#general-feedback message

@wild crescent should be a 50/50 fight lmao. Sure a trike is vulnerable to Rexes for a lot of its life if spotted but the same applies to Rex if spotted by another animal. Trike grows to 3-4 tons in 2 hours. It takes Rex 5 hours. Rex is vulnerable more to other animals throughout his life than trike is, especially when he has to constantly scavenge and hunt, risking his life which trike doesn’t. Lord have mercy the devs listen to your suggestions, quite frankly I hope they don’t because most of you don’t know what you’re talking about. Should be a 50/50 fight no matter what.

[icy bramble]

Tbh I would prefer predators making better target selection but that’s kind of in my perfect word where herbis outnumber carnivores

[indigo notch]

And you do have to pick your fights asa Rex, if you don’t you’ll end up dying. If the matchup is 50/50 then either side can come out on top, which I’m totally for

[pliant elm]

How growth into adulthood should not affect fights. Trike should be more likely to win the fight because he is slower, as he cannot decide whether or not he fights a Rex...

Wanting the fight to be 50/50 while Rex is 13km faster is stupid

[indigo notch]

Trike can quite literally chase down a Rex. Trike should not be more likely to win. Both Rex and trike have their pros and cons and their pros and cons absolutely make up for each others weaknesses

[pliant elm]

Rex is faster and trots faster, he decides whether or not to fight a Trike, the downside of this is that he should not have a 50/50 fight with the Trike

Very simple to understand

Unless Rex has his speed reduced to 23km, the fight shouldn't be 50/50

Not to mention that you want an ambush animal to have a fair fight against a purely defensive one xd

[indigo notch]

It doesn’t matter buddy. Just because if a Rex sees a trike 100 meters away and decides not to approach him, that doesn’t mean trike should be stronger lmfao. Like I said both have their pros and cons. One doesn’t need faster trot or faster sprint and can just chill eating plants. He doesn’t need to pick his fights. But that is exactly why Rex should never be stronger than a trike, rather, it be a 50/50. now if the Rex does approach the trike, only one will come out on top. It’s not like if the Rex starts losing he can run away. He can’t. His stamina doesn’t allow it. Only one will come out on top in that fight, and skill should be the deciding factor

[indigo gulch]

Didn’t he say rex was faster tho?

[indigo notch]

Faster with 20 seconds of run time compared to trike 1 minute 40 second. What’s hard to understand?

He still gets chased down

[indigo gulch]

Alright bro that last bit is uncalled for

I just asked

[indigo notch]

Nah you good I didn’t mean to come off as rude

[indigo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/kdrama-handshake-shaking-hands-gif-26102712

[indigo notch]

🤝

[pliant elm]

Of course this matters, this is literally what defines whether the Trike will survive or not. It doesn't matter if they eat plants, insects or photosynthesize, the fight must be fair for both according to their status, because this is a GAME xd

Seriously, I don't doubt that you think Rex must be unbalanced by him "Being Rex"

[ornate pewter]

I mean, you can slow your growth just the same way right now. Simply by eating poor diet after adulthood.

I'm just arguing for a more logical approach to diets and elder.

Where eating right keeps older people and dinosaurs fit and healthy longer.

Most people don't grow with the goal of frailty and entombment, but with an interest in enjoying their dinosaur life to the fullest.

An argument for or against elder system/entombment is outside the scope of my feedback.

[pliant elm]

It's an argument that many are using to try to say that Rex current state is completely fair

[indigo notch]

Yes and looking at their abilities, it seems like either one can take out each other. Rex has a headbutt stun that can stun the trike head on if used, if the trike however, uses his defensive stance when the Rex is about to stun, he won’t be stunned, now trike gets an opening to do a counter attack and stun the Rex instead. Trike has thrash, Rex has crush. They both have spar mode interaction that can give either one an edge, Rex has good agility but trike has spar mode agility to combat that. Rex is faster but terrible stam, trike is slower but much better stam. It literally all balances out. Right now however, it’s not a 50/50 fight and is in Rex’s favor because:

1. Rex can bone break a trike in 2-3 crushes which should not be the case

2. Rex can pin and damage a trike head on with no repercussions what so ever

3. Trike main attack (flip attack) is currently disabled and he can’t shove or knockdown others (will probably be enabled in the near future.

When all of this gets addressed, the fight will be more fleshed out, more balanced, more skilled, and as it should be.

[indigo notch]

So if it’s a 50/50 fight that’s unbalanced? Give me a break lmao

[lucid mauve]

I actually manage to walk away from a decent amount of rexes as trike, cus of stam. And i killed 1 who ran after me, cus i knew he was out of stam when he finally reached me. Its also how much time and energy do you wanne put up following it.

Even tho i hate that tactic, like you just run until stam is out. Not good tho

[pliant elm]

Rex is unbalanced in literally every aspect, not just his fight against Trike. But yes, Rex shouldn't have a 50/50 fight against something slower and heavier

[charred beacon]

"Outside of your expertise" alright its not that deep bruh but I agree with your feedback im just saying that afking will be the best strat if you want to entomb faster then. Entombing faster can be a real strat for smaller dinos like hypsi, troodon and beipi, which is a problem with your feedback. Im saying that you shouldn't get frail elder at all and the stats from perfect diet should be all the interest that you need.

[indigo notch]

Lmao ok. I really hope the devs don’t listen to most yall dumb suggestions. Yall just can’t read and understand the other side, you still haven’t explained WHY other than “Rex decides to pick his fights” which is total bs and I explained why that’s irrelevant yet you’re not addressing my other points at all

[pliant elm]

But that's literally the whole point, There are also other points like Rex managing to break the Trike leg and causing pin in trikes

I might even agree if some things changed.

[indigo notch]

Yes and I addressed those issues. I explained why it’s not a 50/50 rn and is in Rex’s favor because of that

[indigo notch]

Here.

[pliant elm]

Remove Rex's Fracture against things larger than 50% of its weight and Remove Pin/Grappel on things with Low health/Bleed/Stam

This would leave Rex in the state he always had to be in.

[indigo notch]

No opposition here. Btw does Rex crush deal 3k damage? Or is it 2k?

[pliant elm]

3k

Like thrash

[indigo notch]

Ive seen a video of prime Rex vs prime stego and prime Rex took around 5-6 crushes to kill the stego even tho stego only has 9k health. Math ain’t mathing

[pliant elm]

But, just like thrash, this doesn't happen instantly, the animation must complete for this to happen

[indigo notch]

Yeah Rex crush is bugged right now to where if you press G it deals damage and doesn’t lock you in animation. I expect it to get fixed so no problem there

[pliant elm]

Most of the Rex are canceling the Crush animation with the G

[indigo notch]

Yep

[pliant elm]

I also hope it gets fixed, although I don't doubt they'll leave Rex as is

[indigo notch]

Nah no way. They said again and again they want Rex vs trike a 50/50 fight. I feel like when it does become a 50/50 fight that’s when they’ll leave Rex be

[pliant elm]

Using Cerato as an example, you can get an idea that a certain dev doesn't care much about community feedback

[indigo notch]

I get why they buffed cera, they didn’t buff him just “cuz”. Pretty sure it’s because of allo. Dondi said he wants cera to be 5 group pack and allo to be 4 which balances it out a bit more. And I’m guessing he got buffed to 1400kg to avoid allo pin/better wrestle it near corpses?

[orchid lark]

Hey, in hordetest are only the no AI servers the one with herbivores?

[pliant elm]

Cerato had already increased its weight to around 2100-2400 close to a body

[indigo notch]

Guess it wasn’t enough to fight an allo

[pliant elm]

They just needed to put a limit on things that Allo can give Pin, like reducing it to 2300kg and not making it the same as the Omni

But they found the most viable option to buff Cerato twice, which I highly doubt was really necessary