general-feedback-discussion

[livid ember]

If you bring realism here - rex will never go after trike facing it

[iron knoll]

and you'll cry about having to learn how to fight on trike!

have u ever complained about trike or stego being completely op compared to the roster?

or tehy were fine!

[livid ember]

Ambush predators dislike being spotted
There even was an experiment w eyes on cows' rear so tigers didnt attack them

[livid ember]

How can trike or stego be op when you can just move your legs away from them both

[iron knoll]

they have been untouchable for so long! now no more. deal with it

well, silent stego footsteps, still teh best ambusher of teh whole isle! stego is so silent XD got golfswinged out of existance out of nowhere many times

i mean, everything can run away from rex too, aside from trike, who can defend itself reliably, unless u have a skill issue

[livid ember]

Bad trikes or stegos were killed by tenos, dibbles, ceras or dilos
Youre just for revenge balancing

[iron knoll]

BUT, unlike u, i am growing a trike, after trying stego and rex! so i will test that matchup too!

[iron knoll]

its not revenge balancing. its just factual that rex was op in its days. and it is here. just like its only right that trike is op

[livid ember]

Blame devs that they added stego and trike w out apex carnis, not stego and trike lol.
It also doesn't justify rex being op. It was op in legacy, its now op in evrima.

DUDE
how can you call a 23 km/h run speed playable op, move your legs idk

Rex at its stages is actually the fastest playable

Trike before rex was erm boring, but nothing like op

[iron knoll]

if a trike decides im not eating that body, there is not much i can do... if it decides to protect teh herbi im trying to attack, there is nothign i can do

so, yea, its till op!

i still fought and hunted them! died more time then not, stegos are easier to fight than trikes

[livid ember]

If trike decides you can't eat this body - it will still be forced to leave it cuz of its hunger drain
And if trike protects herbi - I don't see the issue of you not getting it since its a 2v1. If dibble protects herbi - you won't get it either

[iron knoll]

which is slower than any carnivore XD it doesnt need to leave, it can graze!

[livid ember]

It can't graze up its water

[iron knoll]

nah, dibble is manageble, depending what i am! cera and dilos can still deal with dibble in a pack

[iron knoll]

which takes an hour to drain

dont waste time, time to practice trike, or u gonna be in a lot of regrowing when the update drops

[livid ember]

If youre saying trike is op cuz it protected bodies or others i have a very very bad news for you.

[iron knoll]

trike is op, and dont get me wrong: IT SHOULD BE. i dont complain. it should be one shotting anything, and i dont mind that if rex gets knocked and thrashed im almost dead! its fair!

and so it should be rex

[livid ember]

Nothing should be op. All should be balanced. Op slop is cringe and bad for game's health

[livid ember]

Rex won't get knocked over I can repeat it 10 more times 🙂

Since cc was nerfed

[iron knoll]

its a survival game! the weak dies, the strong survive!

[iron knoll]

maybe in spar mode it will, regardless, u can stun and hit thrash

[latent olive]

god I hate how the term OP has been so watered down and diluted

but this is just me being pedantic

[livid ember]

Im saying about trike's rn state
Rn it sucks to rex

[iron knoll]

it doesnt, people who usually play trike, jsut never needed to learn it, cause one lucky hit would save them! now no more!

[livid ember]

It might get better, rex might get worse but rn trike gets bbd in the head and is practically dead

[iron knoll]

its a bug though!

so i wouldnt worry about that

it will be fixed

[livid ember]

Its not yet fixed so it counts

[iron knoll]

hp capped is what its causeing the one tap elder prime getting broken

[livid ember]

(I wish elders were never a thing)

And all this deteriorating crap

Yeah I clearly grow half a day to loose my stats

So bs

So there was actually balance, not prime elder rex eliminating whole island because noone ate boar poo on the end of the map to get prime elder

Or prime elder rex pack to actually be unkillable

BoB ahh gameplay

Even in BoB btw big dinos are more than killable even on smaller but stronger dinos, here prime vs fg is just prime's autowin

[iron knoll]

try growing a rex, and travel the whole map while u fight starvation XD

[iron knoll]

its not, i have seen trikes demolish prime rexes so! u are just crying for nothing

i wanna see you fight a trike

[livid ember]

All this prime entomb thing is an illusion of being mandatory

[iron knoll]

trike and stego are the easiest growth in teh game! trike is a truck at 4 tons, and stego already one shots cera at 30%

[livid ember]

"Youre not forced to entomb but you'll loose stats over time haha! You can still choose not to entomb btw"
Endless bs grind

[iron knoll]

i mean, right now yea.... but prime should last at least the same time of growth... or make that the best diet u have the slower your decaying is

i mean, prime dinos are still pretty strong.... not all of them, but apexes yea! u would only lose to a younger prime apex

[livid ember]

Im for prime elders being optional, but fg's not loosing stats
And if you want and got prime elder you'll be a powerhouse for some time then start decaying
But let it not happen to just normal fgs

[iron knoll]

everyone becomes old eventually

[wooden agate]

that just removes the point of the elder system lol

[livid ember]

Its not healthy for the game, boring ahh grind for more grind w less time to actually fight (which is TI's main gameplay despite all the roleplayers' cries)

[livid ember]

Don't bring realism here, trike didnt gallop

[iron knoll]

elder life will be longer, so that will be okay, if its long enough

if u are ablet o reach prime, most playables are still better than regular fg when 100%.. u dont really have to entomb

[livid ember]

Not being permanent at least w your fg stats is already an issue

[wooden agate]

i mean, not really

[iron knoll]

nah, boring!! this adds more shape to the game

then just growing, fighting and regrowing

being a prime specimen is pretty cool.

im also guessing that it will be harder to get than now.... its probably simpler now for testing purposes

[livid ember]

Its basically what you said but youre forced to grow then regrow then again 🙂

[iron knoll]

yea, but your model changes, you are different from others! and u are stronger!

[livid ember]

Whole elder system is just "grow to grow"

[iron knoll]

i didnt entomb my rex, im still playing it at 100%

other rexes just see me bigger and dont mess around, unless its other prime

[livid ember]

Ofc rex is fine since it has nothing to chase and kill it outside of other rexes

[iron knoll]

even though im usually a canni player (canni teno mostly), i have not cannid on rex! also cause canning takes away your prime stats so

u dont really wanna eat other rexes... i mostly try to find trikes and stegos, but they are too scared! so now im growing a trike, hopefully ill get some nice clips to bring back the confidence in you trike players

[livid ember]

Will be good ngl

[iron knoll]

i'll do my best 🫡

when i actually got time to finish growing it XD cause, work

[silent stream]

#general-feedback message I dont play deinos but like cant they just eat fish and AI in such scenarios? Because in real life a crocodilians needs to eat a lot in order to grow and in their earlier life stages are very active and snappy because they're both prey and hunter, the slow hunger drain irl is a thing only when they're mature

Game balance wise i agree with you but you used real life crocodilians as an example and reason

[tulip dome]

does the rex spawn as a hatchling currently? a deer was absolutely ROCKING my hp for a solid 5 minutes straight and it took substantially more bites than a fresh spawn dilo to bring it down. I also dont appear to be losing hunger or gaining nutrition

[warm blaze]

is there any point in making suggestions? I don't think the devs are looking. 🤔

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

[opaque plinth]

how many hordtest updates will there be? circa

I meant it more of like fro mexpereience of players who are here a longer time, how long these hordtest last

[forest swan]

could be a couple weeks, could be a few months. it's different every time

since they've introduced a lot this time (rex, elder system, map changes, various buffs) it might be on the longer side

some people are theorizing they may release allo in the hordetest later too before they update the main branch

but they were doing pretty good with updating the HT last week, we'll see if they keep it up this week and beyond

[tame jetty]

@merry ore a separate chat for ht and normal feedback, would just be even worse. Devs already bad it seems like to see in normal feedback. Imagine one more.. they'd also be no better in looking there, or worse, completely overshadow the normal feedback..

[merry ore]

"One more" and this one more is an easy way for developers to not have a headache with the chat constantly updated, because it would only be used in periods where HT is active.

Normal feedback chat would not be seen in HT only times.

@tame jetty

[charred beacon]

@nova sparrow You like ubisoft games?

[nova sparrow]

what do you care?

[charred beacon]

Why so hostile lil guy

[cerulean gust]

An interesting idea is to increase bot spawns, or make them appear in more areas of the map. Every time I try to wander around the map, I die of hunger; it's really bad to be forced to stay in certain areas.

[nova sparrow]

i never said anything in this chat and your just randomly ask me this completely irrelivant quesition to this channel... seems sus... so again, why do you ask?

[charred beacon]

Just felt like something you love since you dont wanna think just go towards the ping marker on the top of your screen when you play

[nova sparrow]

wtf are you even talking about? what ping marker? when did i even say anything about anything? what are you replying to? you tag me outta nowhere

[charred beacon]

Just saw what you disliked in the feedback channel so i thought id just ask

[nova sparrow]

and what did i dislike? you gonna even mention it? are we discussing feedback or discussing feedback voters? and harrasing me based on my votes? not even trying to discuss before you make some lame comment that makes no sense

[charred beacon]

Brother you dont remember what you reacted an x on in the last 5 mins?

[nova sparrow]

i voted like 10 differnt things mate, u gonna call me out on all of them? you gonna call out everyone that give you an "X"

now i gotta go back and research who im talking to lol... anyway the reason u got an X is because the quests are optional, but if you want to be the best possible version of yourself, u gotta do certain things.. .just like getting perfect diet, nobody is making you do that... its optional, but its BEST to do perfect diet, just like its optional but BEST to do the prime quests

and those prime quests are so easy too, migration, sancuary, perfect diet, patrol zone... thats like stuff anyone is doing already

the point is to encourage people to come together and create interactions... rather than hiding in one part of the map to grow.... if you interact and participate in these parts of the game, you are reward with both increased interaction, but prime elder growth.... its a design decision to promote encounters

[charred beacon]

The patrol and migrations zones with the perfect diet is just for certain herbivores, forcing all animals to go the the same places just to be there for a sec or force you to kill a certain amount of animals before you are fg is just stupid. If for some reason you dont or get infertile bc you ran out of diet once then your whole play through is just wasted.

Bc getting a perfect diet and going to 6 zone is so amazing and no wtf its not optional like everyone except you seems to get

If they spread all the food and ai out on purpose and then let the player count go up is a so much better way to create interactions in cool places instead of the 3 hotzones they currently have

[nova sparrow]

Well I disagree. I'm not here to discuss or argue about why. You came at me in the most hostile and rude way because I indicated that, which tells me you are not with having a discussion with. Even so, I gave you a courtesy you didn't deserve by at least telling you why I disagreed, but that is all I'll say on the matter.

[charred beacon]

I asked you if you liked ubisoft games lol

Think i got my answer

[nova sparrow]

he mad

[pliant elm]

@elfin nymph Omni is not slow, Rex is just too fast

[plush bison]

Like how has it been a dam week and the headbutt spam is still in

[dire gate]

Anyone Sees the Night as to dark at the Moment? Yea its real but I dont like to sit 15 mins before an almost blackscreen XD (in the Woods its extreme as herbie)

[signal wyvern]

thats how it should be, i can't see as a croc too in those conditionss

[oblique fable]

@charred beacon #general-feedback message

I definitely agree with some specific task for Primer elders for other playables, as some literally cannot or don't have the functionality to do whats expected within the time you have. I will say however I disagree overall with the idea that Elders remove all freedom, especially with the examples given, as those animals don't suffer as harshly as others. I do agree that the dropoff shouldn't be as sudden nor as strong, but think the game loop provided and being something thats mandatory is a good addition to the game, as its never an immediate goal and rather a long term one. ( Not for shorter growing animals of course but that arguement is pretty obvious)

I also do think that elders DO deserve some more benefits apart from... losing stuff XD

but its ultimate goal of promoting actual interaction and the ultimate ending really helps things such as a reliable and repeatable cycle, nesting, social behaviors amongst others, and etc

[charred beacon]

Havent played all dinos this update so cant say what i dont know but i could see that some animals do really well with how it is right now. However i still miss being at the edge of the map or cool locations that feels like a bad idea to go to now because you waste time you could use to get prime elder

[oblique fable]

That's very true yeah, I think that's definitely easier on animals that live substationally longer for sure

[charred beacon]

I understand that they want interactions to go up but just because that was the idea doesnt mean that it was a good way of implementing that

[oblique fable]

Fair enough yeah, but gladly its not implemented base game yet and just a WIP beta

[charred beacon]

Yeah but they dont really go back on stuff like this, so small changes might happen but sadly i think they are pretty happy with it

[oblique fable]

I mean it doesn't hurt to keep talking about it

you're not the only one whos said it, and they definitely do look at feedback every once and a while 😅

[charred beacon]

People have been saing alot of stuf for a while but well see i guess

Its still their game after all

[odd whale]

I think changing the elder system to where you only start to age when you press the entomb button to become an elder could potentially solve most issues, so you only continue to grow past 75% if you choose to entomb and once you reach 100% growth you get the option to respawn. This way faster growing dinos can still work on the tasks to become a prime elder and people can take their time playing without being forced to become an elder straight away with worse stats.

And maybe easing up on some tasks such as never being infertile/never have muscle spasms (if they are still in to become an prime elder) could also ease up some tasks for carnivores that starve fast/need a lot of food. Especially since you start of as infertile as a hatchling.

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

feels very... PoT/arcadey

doesn't really seem right that deino magically bites twice as hard because you're swimming

[urban flax]

Can't elder deino just drown swimming rexes and trikes anyway ?

[wooden agate]

yes

[proper coyote]

And the bite damage is really their main way of killing, it’s drowning.

[merry pine]

adult yes but prime no

[limber hull]

what?

surely you mean other way around

[wooden agate]

i think he means adult/prime rex/trike

so prime deino can grab adult rex/trike, but not prime rex/trike (which im fine with)

[urban flax]

Thankfully deino cannot oneshot a prime elder apex

It's the very last thing this game needs

[muted ocean]

It's complicated to play deino, you'll always die of hunger. How do I make the fish rare? I started playing again and I'm leaving feeling discouraged.

[iron knoll]

trike and stegos are walking food for rexes

[night raptor]

I messed up

[coarse spruce]

#general-feedback message
God, don't make hypsi's growth longer. It would be much better if the requirements for elder were just relaxed for quick growers, or the adult stage actually lasted long enough that any creature of any size could feasibly reach prime

[night raptor]

#general-feedback message

Idk how anyone can disagree with this. I was losing my mind yesterday tryna have some fun playing troodon but I couldn't get anything going. Couldn't get anywhere to find food for my 3 diets because baby troodon is too slow and I was spawning like 5 times in the same location. The one time I was actually getting something going, I get ran up on by a carno using esp and killed me in a bush, bro's probably still using it. The other times that I was having a hard time playing, I could drown pretty fast and restart but one time I get kicked out by the server while swimming (still not entirely fixed btw). The least they could do is have that option on Horde Testing servers because things break way more over there and while it is just for testing, I would rather just give up my dino instantly if things get so out of hand that I literally cannot do anything. Examples like food drain so fast on my slow dino, unstuck command not working etc. Horde Test desperately needs that imo. Especially when changes like baby troodon running speed happen. One of the dinos that are literally designed to grow to 100% in like less than an hour.

[topaz sage]

@cosmic lantern The Isle is currently in Horde Testing working through a ton of issues with AI spawns, balancing issues, and over-all quality of life improvements, all the while Rex and the Elder system are being tested. If you bought the game right now expecting a complete experience, you made a mistake. The game is in early access and is being constantly improved. If you stick it out I'm sure you'll enjoy the results of this horde test.

[cosmic lantern]

Dude i bought it 3 years ago

[topaz sage]

Then you're drinking water from the coffee pot and wondering why it tastes like coffee my man.

[cosmic lantern]

also the game is in early acces since 10 years it is an unfinished beta

[topaz sage]

That's how early access games work man...

If the game weren't constantly improving I would agree with you. Their vision for the game doesn't always align with the player base and thats perfectly fine. They're making the game they want and there will be players that enjoy that experience such as myself. All I'm saying is just because YOU dont like the direction the game is taking doesnt mean its a bad game or has bad developers.

[muted ocean]

Fatal error: [File:C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\Isle\IsleEngine\Engine\Source\Runtime\RenderCore\Private\RenderingThread.cpp] [Line: 1415]
GameThread timed out waiting for RenderThread after 120.00 secs, help

[night raptor]

#general-feedback message

sorry to burst your bubble, but that will never happen on the officials.

A new cheat could be created where it kills everyone on the server and nobody would get a regrow.

and tbh, I feel it. I don't think regrows would even solve or reward you with anything. Chances are you will die to a herd of Ceras/Rexes. As painful as it is, this game is about afk growing for most creatures. And I think that might be why they don't give anyone regrows.

[wooden agate]

they already regrow people sometimes when they die to hackers

#general-feedback message

wow, permenant buffs seem like the perfect way to eventually make the new player experience even worse

[ornate pewter]

I just wanna point out that a while back someone was saying they wanted the mostly ignored northwestern reaches to be retooled to look something like the Cliffs of Dover.

Seems they got their wish.

It does look pretty wild flying around it as Ptera.

I know aquatics are an unlikely addition, but you can certainly picture sea life in that area.

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message removing one of pteras best way of stamina management is... interesting, to say the least

but also, why are we using pteranodon being able to regen while latched to say that herrera should be able to

when they both do completely different jobs and niches that require different levels of balance

[night raptor]

really? Huh, something must've changed.

[wooden agate]

its more of a dev thing than a server admin thing. punch has done it several times, but its not exactly common

i just figured that bit of context would be helpful

[faint folio]

@topaz sage I really like your suggestion (it's better than the other methods I've seen for mix packing like illness or stress). However, it still suffers from the same fundamental problem - how exactly do you determine if players are truly mix packing?

[topaz sage]

I don't know much about coding at all. But I was thinking that each player could have a small radius (invisible obviously) and the game could detect what kind of dinosaurs enter that radius. If a dinosaur of a different species enters that radius more than x times, and neither dinosaur takes damage, then the game could create an invisible group that contains those players who's radii collided and that would be the group that the "objective" was about for the humans. It wouldn't be perfect, and that's okay because even a false flag could lead to a very interesting encounter. People make mistakes all of the time, why cant AE?

[faint folio]

Well, for one. Consider a troll playing something like Omni chasing around a step or trike. It would be incredibly unfun to the trike player for them to be flagged and killed by humans when they aren't mixpacking but is too slow to kill the troll

Stego*

[urban flax]

Or someone trying to hide

[topaz sage]

Oh I didn't think of that! Ill keep thinking through solutions and lyk 😄

[urban flax]

Also I very much doubt humans will be able to deal with mixpacks...

If anything that'd be an extra source of food for the dinos

[topaz sage]

Real. I appreciate you guys helping poke holes in this so I can have more direction.

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
I didn't understand how all this would work

But 1.3ton raptor... no. Just... no.

[edgy flax]

1.3ton raptor let's gooo

[urban flax]

Ah so I re-read it and now I understand

It's basically "remove elder system as a whole and make prime elders insanely OP for an unlimited amount of time instead"

[desert arch]

@signal fulcrum have you tried deleting your config folder? Turning off lumen/foliage physics?

I run the game on a mid at best laptop and I actually gained some fps in the last couple updates.

[ornate pewter]

Eat or kill a human, get prime for free.

Solves a lot of potential issues with humans

[urban flax]

Why would you search for a way to solve an issue that doesn't exist

Also makes obtaining prime elder waaaaaaaaaay too easy

Humans aren't going to be especially hard to kill

[ornate pewter]

Doesn't exist yet. I suppose the fear was that we'd get humans playing with dinosaurs together in discord chat.

This solution doesn't actually fix it, and potentially encourages it even more.

I honestly expect humans to play like a cooperative horror game with extraction shooter elements.

[faint folio]

I could see a lot of permanent groups growing a couple humans to sacrifice them immediately to their dinos to get prime elders on all their accounts 💀 clans absolutely would

[urban flax]

Especially since humans don't have to grow
Literally free prime elders

[compact timber]

@rugged timber what dino were you playing here #general-feedback message

[rugged timber]

Stego but I had that aswell on cera that just the whole screen turns black

[compact timber]

if this stego this is to be expected, if it is cerato this is definitely bugged

there is a certain stage at night that removes moonlight and makes horrible night vision dinosaurs basically blind, lasts usually around ~2 minutes

[rugged timber]

Then ig that is that but idk how to feel about it it's just annoying and doesn't make things more scarier

or more exciting

[compact timber]

it's not meant to make things scarier, it's supossed to give predators an advantage at that stage of night time

such as omnis being able to see clearly where a stego is temporarily blinded by the night

[rugged timber]

Hold let me put in a pic from my cera

[compact timber]

making herbivores not-so-confident in the night time

[compact timber]

ye pls

[rugged timber]

Also a little bug on the stomach but yeah here is the view

Just darkness

[compact timber]

is that gamma or contrast you have on there

jeez yeah thats dark

[rugged timber]

Nah it is from a recording so sry for the quality

[compact timber]

cera is supossed to see only slighlty worse at that dim moonlightg stage

this is probably a bug I recommend reporting in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

I doubt they will see the feedback but they will guaranteed see the bug report

[rugged timber]

Will do

Here it was at it's worst

[compact timber]

jesus

yeah I think there is no way they made that intentionally because they've already had plenty of feedback from night vision like this in the past

[wind mesa]

i honestly thought your night vision was off until i saw the faint outline!

[pastel crane]

whats coming alongside allo

[wintry cipher]

im not the only one that thought that sounded like diablo when allo roared 😂 but im just going to go with the mentality that the sounds are still heavy WIP

[wind mesa]

#general-feedback message Nope i don't think it's hallucinations! That's definitely just a dibble with a cold!

[noble pine]

It sounds awful, and I hate to say that but good lord it’s so over edited. I hope to god that sound does not make it into the game.

It’s definitely allos old sound it’s just so oversaturated to sound different that it’s completely screwed the vocals.

[deep heart]

Allosaurus just decided to mimic the new AI

[noble pine]

It’s other sounds are too much like cera, too many little grumbles and purrs. They don’t fit the animal at all.

[tepid widget]

Has the elder cycle messed with larger packs?

[deep heart]

Agree

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

"this does not sound like a mid-tier carnivore"
how??? what makes it not sound midtier lmao

[upbeat marten]

Too feminine

[limber hull]

I audibly laughed at that but I hope to God that isn't the actual reason lmao

[upbeat marten]

#general-feedback message
What did you test it on?

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message
"Try it on a full grown cera whit no bleed resistence and only took 10% of its total blood pool, while he was runing using stamina, "

Cera has one of the highest bleed resistances in the game, wdym "with no bleed resistance"

[upbeat marten]

Kinda why I was curious. Can't exactly say the bleed sucks fairly when you are trying to bleed a creature specifically designed to resist it.
Today I used fire to fight fire and fire won

[wooden agate]

@brazen wave ...what? cerato has some of the BEST bleed resistence in game? #general-feedback message

[slim osprey]

have the name tags been adjusted to lesser distance recently or is that just the ht?

[limber hull]

i love how he quite literally picked one of the worst examples to prove this point

[wooden agate]

possibly i did notice that the distance seems shorter but i thought it was just a me issue lol

[junior nymph]

@clear canyon well Ht only has water access since west got deleted so wish granted?

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message bro hasnt seen deino nv in HT

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message beipi can spawn in the swamp all of its spawns are a short distance to water

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

Imagine replicating this on a 100 player server

[vital laurel]

Do ppl think the allo call is final? It’s clearly missing a audio cue or is exhausted version

But also yeah I’d like legacy sounds

[vital laurel]

That’s just spar with bit of physics and stuff

[urban flax]

The "bit of physics and stuff" is exactly the reason why it's impossible

[vital laurel]

Physics is client side

[bold frigate]

#general-feedback message
genuinely how could this get a single downvote i do not understand

[vital laurel]

Or can be client

[vital laurel]

I think cus ppl would rather have them removed and better indicators of if you can trot regen or not and such

[urban flax]

If it is then the system won't work

The Isle was not designed with physics-based combat in mind

[bold frigate]

i mean ig but even if that is the case- we are talking about The Isle Devs here.. that would take 3 yrs to add, so why not just get rid of the need to open a menu to see a number

[vital laurel]

Foliage physics is render on the client, the server might need to keep track of some of these dragon physics, but even then you don’t need that kind of physics, it can just be a more static grab like Rex/deino lunge or omni pin

[vital laurel]

Well adding that % would also take 3 years to add, also it isn’t very immersive to see a % at all times on the UI

[bold frigate]

how is a number less immersive than an ambiguous bar

also its a video game

and its also definitely LESS immersive to have to press tab and hover over my stamina to see how much i have

[vital laurel]

Cus you don’t feel your exact hunger level, it’s more like you estimate how thirsty and stuff you are

[bold frigate]

you dont tho

you open the menu and look with your mouse

[vital laurel]

Yes I’m not saying it isn’t

[vital laurel]

Yes that’s also not immersive, but you kinda chose to break it to check that

It would be best to just have stamina regen steps be more lenient so you slowly regen less the further bellow 60% you are and stuff

[bold frigate]

yea i agree

[urban flax]

You don't fight the foliage

[bold frigate]

but just displaying the same information you can already check in a better/easier way would be so simple i think

[vital laurel]

It’s “better” for meta gaming yes

But also half the systems in the game are destined so if you don’t meta game you loose

(I.e stam levels)

[vital laurel]

Rad the whole message

[urban flax]

I read it, and I don't think adding a grab to every playable is a good idea either

[vital laurel]

It was talking about allo tho

[bold frigate]

i think that if we decide (as players) that ui design/functionality should be sacrificed for the sake of "immersion", we're cooked
especially if it can be opt-in

[vital laurel]

Also, the game has tail physics like this is showing, when you jump it isn’t animation it is physics and some other movements

[urban flax]

Yes but the tail physics aren't tied to gameplay

Making a tail wobble and making an entire dino's animations physically-based and interactable with by attacks from different dinos is completely something else

[vital laurel]

It isn’t dayz or cod where you need to know every % stat to play, or should even have access, you should feel and calculate a bit like you do feeling how exhausted your body is, before a workout you don’t know your exact stamina and you can’t know exactly how long you’ll run, from what I’ve heard this is what the devs kinda want

Ofc with the current stamina and some other stuff it isn’t really gonna work, since stamina and many other things are way to binary

[bold frigate]

yea but the stam % is already accessible its just annoying to go read it

[vital laurel]

Yes but I’m saying more ppl would rather not see it blasted on their screen if they don’t want to since it’s not the game they want to play

[bold frigate]

why even give us the % and base the stamina system around it then make it a pain to know how much u have

[vital laurel]

It’s also a bit intended that you hit tab and get your screen covered while checking it I guess

[vital laurel]

Good question 🤣

[bold frigate]

and thats also why i said it could be an option

one of the mutations is even based around the stam %

so yea, i agree that the whole system might need to be different if they want it to be less number-based, but literally every single mutation is just tweaking numbers.

so i think the concept of it not being allowed to be displayed on the HUD just cuz its a number just doesnt hold up

[vital laurel]

Maybe if it was in the tab screen it could work

But also you can hit enter and use your mouse, that way you see it even better without obscuring your view

[vital laurel]

Ok but still, I don’t think the persons entire feedback demands it needs to be physics based, there is already a push/pull system in spar

[latent olive]

and it is VERY twitchy

players end up standing on top of each other, almost

Don’t get me wrong, I would absolutely LOVE a system like that, where attacks are actual attacks rather than just sprint and bite

but it’s a fantasy

[vital laurel]

Isn’t that cus the collision is just not there

[latent olive]

probably, but also due to player latency and the server being unable to update player positions

[vital laurel]

Like how you glide out of each other when you stat the spar

I hate it, it is so stupid, even PoT has more detailed collision

[latent olive]

I don’t think POT even has collision

[vital laurel]

Yeah, but it’s like pounce or lunge

[latent olive]

there’s a LOT of running through someone else

[vital laurel]

Maybe im crazy or thinking of ark

[latent olive]

ark collision is insanely good for some reason, but that might be the single player part

[vital laurel]

I remember seeing a video where evrima release was compared to other dino games and the bad cylinder collision boxes were compared to a dino game with better collision

[night raptor]

Yo i have a question. How rare is it that the devs actually look at that feedback channel and put it in the game when most people agree with it?

[lucid mauve]

Most? What you mean. Its the same people spamming the same thing over and over again lol

[cosmic lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-gallimimus-kaperoo-evrima-the-isle-evrima-gif-9799463776398763898

[devout pendant]

#general-feedback message

Who the hell is downvoting this? It's a big QoL improvement that could easily be a toggle on options for those who, for whatever reason, doesn't want it. Options never hurt.

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message frankly this is how it shouldve been from the beginning and i have no clue why it isnt

"but sam you can just abuse it" how.

you spawn as a child in a random part of the map, the chances of you actually being able to revenge kill whatever killed your previous animal is so unbelievably microscopic that its really not a factor

[devout pendant]

#general-feedback message
This is a lovely idea, currently only females have to sacrifice anything to boost their offspring's chances and allowing males to do the same as well as the non fatal fights just adds more gameplay

[coarse spruce]

#general-feedback message This call sounds so muted, like there's a big sock at the back of its mouth

the legacy call had more air forced out its mouth, more like a shout than a gurgle

[blissful oasis]

#general-feedback message yo dawg dw the distant call will sound the same, the cool call is just muted by weird mouth sounds

[sly pollen]

can we get a east no ai server

[icy lion]

@tardy zephyr Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers

[tardy zephyr]

I can’t even report them lunacy

F2 is not enabled. They’re all using esp hacks and with only pov it won’t matter

[icy lion]

You don't need to have a recording to make a report

[tardy zephyr]

Every single one of these mfs smh they be finding me in a bush in nowhere while im crouched haven’t left it at the swamp like how do you even do that

[tardy zephyr]

Yes but without f2 it won’t prove anything

And f2 is disabled on hordtest

I can’t even get their names

[icy lion]

Like I said, you don't need proof to ping the admins and make a report

The admins have their own tools to gather evidence

[tardy zephyr]

Oh so if I suspect someone is esp hacking I just ping an admin and say what server he’s hacking in?

[icy lion]

What I'm trying to say is: how are the admins supposed to do something if you don't tell them what's going on?

[icy lion]

Yes

[tardy zephyr]

Alr bet

Thanks

[stark hawk]

did they do it

please... PLEASE tell me they fixed it in th way im thinking

[potent flower]

oh man i wish i didn't have somewhere to be in a sec, i'd check immediately

[edgy flax]

it feels so bad now, feeling like im flying a truck

https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/l4AAtnqGoCk2fEHXB?invite=cr-MSx4SEssNDMyNTQ2Njc

bro what is this camera movement

not mine but its literally horrible

[stark hawk]

oh youve got to be kidding me

is it really that hard to make it look good

[pliant elm]

My god xd

[stark hawk]

they do everything but what the community tells them to do with ptera 😭

[pliant elm]

What did they do with ptera

[edgy flax]

and some people really support this which is crazy to me

[pliant elm]

It wasn't good enough, now it looks pathetic. Poor ptera

[stark hawk]

This games not gonna be successfull for 1 reason: Devs that dont take community feedback (wtf is the feedback channel for btw)

[pliant elm]

I lost hope a long time ago

They do unnecessary things every update and leave whit really needs to be changed completely untouched

[stark hawk]

I always used to be one of those absolute goofballs that deffend the game (they are too blind to see the obvious flaws)

When echoes of extinction showed that preview of the nightvision I kinda cringed because I know that dodni is gonna throw his little fits about every dinosaur survival game "copying" him but honestly I dont really mind if a game where to copy the isle 1-1 but just actually do stuff at this point

[pliant elm]

I imagine how good the game would be if they listened to the community. Well, it seems like that will just remain in my imagination xd

[stark hawk]

It would be... beautiful. Thats not gonna happen in the foreseeable future however

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-it-was-it-was-beautiful-avengers-infinity-war-avengers3-gif-26954849

[edgy flax]

yeah and then theres SMALL chance they change it back because theyre getting too much hate for it, camera thing lmao

[stark hawk]

Idk why they cant just leave the camera alone, like bro have they learnt nothing from the first person incident

or just... any incident regarding not listening to feedback (first person incident is one of the few times they actually did something)

[wooden agate]

this just goes to show how badly people fall for misinformation

there never was any first person camera

literally ever

also, atleast play with the animal before judging it lmao. it feels far smoother than current live pteranodon

[stark hawk]

damn I didnt know

[stark hawk]

"fixing pteranodons flight" and "changes its camera" are 2 things. it also looks objectively worse now.. even if it feels smoother lmao

[crude girder]

@empty wadi while I appreciate the enthusiasm, Carno doesn’t actually have worse bleed res

That got removed a while ago

[wooden agate]

with the good ol trike update

[empty wadi]

its worse than cera isn't it? which is the same weight for some reason with more mobility and a stunning debuff?

[wooden agate]

you've got it backwards

carno has average bleed res (i.e 0)

cerato has 50% bleed res

until wounded atleast

[empty wadi]

how is that backwards from what i said?

[wooden agate]

because cerato is just insane for its weight class

carno doesnt have abnormally low bleed resistence lol

[empty wadi]

i said carno has worse bleed resist than cera which is true

[wooden agate]

you're claiming carnos bleed resistence is poor when instead its just the fact ceratos bleed resistence is cracked

[empty wadi]

and anyway the bleed resist is beside the point really, i think carno is just too light

like i know its a game and not real life but carno was supposed to be heavier than teno irl, and to me teno just feels a bit too strong. It feels like they got those weights backwards

[worthy salmon]

can we PLEASE STOP nerfing herbies night vision? OMGGGG i legit just walked off a whole cliff and into an unknown body of water because i could NOT SEEEEE anything. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. i get if youre going for "realism" but like also...... stop it

[agile flame]

Is there a reason I'm jumping up from fresh spawn to 25% whenever I log out/back in after dying?

[wooden agate]

fresh spawn is 25%

[agile flame]

Ah, so it changed and I'm a walnut. Got it.

[worthy salmon]

oh haiiii! i rememeber you. you sent me pics of your cool stego skin 😄 i also now have a few cool stego skins 🙂

[agile flame]

Rad!

[wooden agate]

yarg every animal spawns at 25%, hits sub at 50%, reaches FG at 75%, and is ready to entomb by 100%

[agile flame]

.....so whats the deal with sanc now?

I probaly should have perused the HT notes better XD

[wooden agate]

wdym

[agile flame]

When are you kicked out?

[wooden agate]

it differs between animals

[wind mesa]

I'm glad you mentioned this! im playing ptera today and i thought i was just bugged!

[scarlet gyro]

Sup chat

[scarlet gyro]

Yeah.. sad enough they don't listen to the community. And i doubt they would read what i have written in #general-feedback .

[pliant elm]

Cerato has better bleed resistance than Stego

Cerato has become Almost immune to bleed damage after the latest updates

Why? I have no idea. Cerato already had great bleeding resistance before xd

[charred beacon]

@agile tree If the cheater is detected hes just gonna get banned right there so why the storm??

[barren zephyr]

So we can all relish in his demise.

[wind mesa]

@supple pine #general-feedback message im so glad we are adressing the real issues with the game! This has gone on for far too long!

[charred beacon]

Nice

[feral creek]

whys there no servers in hordetest chat

[signal wyvern]

Add a suicide button, people that want to kill themselves are already able to do so they just have to wait or they drown themselves. Skip the ribbon cutting and just let people suicide.

[storm crag]

Could anyone tell me where I can inquire about issuing invoices?

[limber hull]

sorry what's the problem here that flight momentum looks AMAZING compared to what we had

the "they don't listen to feedback" after seeing that is insane because that's INFINITELY improved momentum

[minor sentinel]

yeah

[limber hull]

carno and teno have the same bleed res tho

[minor sentinel]

yeah

[minor sentinel]

and carno is 1,300 teno 1,600 kg

[woven lichen]

Can yall please fix whatever issue is causing me to get kicked out of the game in horde test then I have to join a long queue again then finally get low enough in the queue then get kicked from queue then when I finally get into a game get kicked out again I’ve waited hours just not to be able to play smh

[minor sentinel]

I think the reason for that happening is because they 1. overclock the server PCs for HT or 2. they got better components and it's overloading the coding or coolant.

[woven lichen]

It’s unbearable I haven’t be able to play been waiting hours keep getting kicked and placed at end of queue not fair

[minor sentinel]

or could be you're PC or internet? my suggestion, restart the PC.

[zenith pagoda]

@finite agate Lmao, that happens, its a bug, the ambush speed is infinite and u dont make noise while running, happened to me once.

[woven lichen]

Restarted my pc. my internet 993 mbps hooked up via Ethernet cable this isn’t on my end just happened again played for 1 mins then kicked after waiting almost a hour to load in

[minor sentinel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1414778333966766140/image0.gif

[junior nymph]

@bitter dove elder is sped up for testing purposes

[wooden agate]

THATS NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!

yes it is, sorry, i like yelling sometimes

[junior nymph]

LOL

[stark hawk]

I just tried out the new pteranodon flying camera... Its terrible 😭 this feels like creatures of sonaria now (which is not a good thing at all)

[wise rune]

i honestly like the idea behind it, it makes u feel like ur flying instead of it just being a drone camera. but its executed pretty badly and definitely needs improving

on the upside of ptera, the momentum feels like it lasts for longer now which is a step in the right direction

[steady imp]

@dusky swift #general-feedback message definitely agree- and more specifically why on earth does beipi have west rail as a spawn?? where is the duck child to go

[junior nymph]

dinomom, in the ht northwest ridge and west access is removed...

[steady imp]

i said west rail

oh

not thatu are talking about my thing

[steady imp]

yes i know the one pond

at the top is the only left over from that old location

that pond is still there

[junior nymph]

highlands def needs a sanc

[steady imp]

put a sanc there- since ppl have to run to sancs all the time anyway

[junior nymph]

its kinda blocked by massive cliffs

[steady imp]

also whose map cuz i hate it - what are those names

its not from highlands

you can travel there down through the valley and directly to it

[agile tree]

For comedic effect, but also so they don't stand still and disappear

[stark hawk]

Yeah I do agree, but I dont think it should be done to such a far extent. If it hinders the gameplay of the creature (which it currently does) then it shouldnt be added

or maybe create a toggle option in the menu where you can dissable the feature for those (probably most) that dont like the feature at all

[wise rune]

Yeah absolutely agree, it needs to be changed because rn its incredibly intrusive. Like I was trying to peck stuff from above and it was so disorientating 😭😭

[urban flax]

@dense heath The VERY POINT of prime elders is to be temporary, instead of just OP buffed superadults that last forever

[limber hull]

people tryna turn elders into the new magnas smh

[urban flax]

magna rex 💕

[limber hull]

glad magna is dead and buried

why would you only be super OP on the 4th lol

you'd be super OP on the first, that's kind of how elders work

elders are super OP compared to regular adults

they're bigger, faster and more powerful

[urban flax]

Prime elders have OP stats no matter what
They have increased speed, weight and damage

[limber hull]

making prime elders effectively permanent to me just shifts the goalpost from "AFK to adult then fight" to "AFK to elder then fight"

it doesn't really do anything to impact the gameloop

just makes the point where the "fun part" starts all the harder to attain

[ornate pewter]

I think their goal is to make sure "The fun part" is the journey, not the destination.

We need to be enjoying ourselves as freshspawns as much as we do as adults, primes, and frails.

We need to walk away saying, that made for a good story in a natural environment. I'd watch that as a documentary.

[limber hull]

I agree, which is why I disagree with stuff like optional elders or optional frailness, because those features directly stop the journey at a point of power where you can just engage in constant PvP and forgo the entire journey element

[wintry cipher]

^ also as much as one person might want to stay at that peak that also means clans and mixpacks will ruin the game even more for others

[wind mesa]

@dense heath #general-feedback message I like your suggestion of withering away slowly, but i feel you can't have both a checklist AND slow withering away for entombment. A slow withering away to keep your mutations is enough risk in itself as you become highly vulnerable and likely to just lose your dino. Adding a checklist ontop of that is enough.

Either we keep things as it is and add a checklist to keep the muts, OR we have a slow decline to keep muts, not both imo!

[urban flax]

I'm sorry you don't understand what actually makes elders strong

Already explained
Elders are faster, stronger and tankier than adults
That's what matters the most

Mutations do not increase raw stats as much as eldering does

Ideally combat mutations wouldn't exist at all

So you get it now ?

That's not the question
The issue is making elders permanent is basically making prime elder the new adult stage, and making adults not worth it

[limber hull]

Two rexes

One is prime with no entombs

One is adult with 3 entombs

The prime rex still wins

That's the point being made

[urban flax]

Adults become the juvie stage, the one where you need to hide or die

[limber hull]

So you understand the problem with unlimited prime elder then

[urban flax]

But if elders are permanent then there's no more elder system
They're just the new adult stage

[limber hull]

^

the status quo doesn't change, just the goals shift

[urban flax]

That's absolutely not our point

[wintry cipher]

Im coming in late but thats not what the convo is about at all

[limber hull]

that is not the point being made at all

you're fixated on the entombs when this has literally never been about the entombs

no but there's the thing though, if withering away is optional, you can just stay prime, thus being insanely OP

[urban flax]

Withering should happen regardless, otherwise you just get eternal prime elders PvPing around

[limber hull]

that's the entire point being made

[wintry cipher]

Removing entombing entirely in the convo and making sure I am on the right page myself, the conversation is about the validity of letting players choose to become weak and the dangers of letting them just stay at peak strength like the game currently is, correct?

[limber hull]

Yes and then you've effectively degraded the gameloop to prime PvP and placed all emphasis on "getting to prime" as opposed to anything else

it just makes prime the new adult and doesn't shift up the gameloop

[wintry cipher]

Primes should be rare and terrifying. An achievement that is worth chasing. Not the standard "adult" as is rn

[limber hull]

^

primes are a limited burst in power, not the new adult

making the game "the only thing that can beat a prime is another prime with better mutations" fundamentally changes little to nothing about the gameloop as it is in the current live patch

[wintry cipher]

Actually heres a good way to consider the problem that comes up. Bob, do you want to have to deal with mixpacks maxing out primes and as such being impossible to kill?

[limber hull]

i also believe that all "beyond adult" forms should be limited in some fashion

elders by their decay from age
hypers from their insane hunger
and for the other strains, we'll have to wait and see

[limber hull]

hell, forced aging would inevitably force every mixpack to eventually just die out

[wintry cipher]

Yes. Thats why i like it. I also know the devs will extend your life and it wont always be this fast. Rn its just fast for testing

[urban flax]

Neuros by running out of neuro goo
Tissos by being too edgy and letting their inner demons rip them apart from the inside

[limber hull]

HONESTLY that might actually be something interesting

an anti-mixpacking solution that doesn't suck

if you mixpack, you will inevitably gain a status effect called "uncomfortable". What does it do? Immediately, absolutely nothing, but in the long run, it immediately cancels out a pre-requisite for prime, like how muscle spasms and infertility do

you can't abuse it for a combat advantage, and peole who do other healthy things can circumvent its consequences

you mixpack and you're far more likely to beeline to fragility

[wintry cipher]

Okay just had to check you knew that xD however this proposal still results in the problem of just entombing over and over to get 4th gen, and then choosing not to wither. Whats going to stop that? Only another maxed out dino, whereas atm, its both that and time

I do agree we need additional measures to counteract mixpacking but that would get complex

[wintry cipher]

agreed yeah

[topaz sage]

@nova loom I dont agree that Ptera cant hunt small dinos. I'm killing baby rex's like a kid picking candy. I do agree with the rotten meat for sure. I think the stam is decent right now as there has to be an incentive to play around the updrafts.

[wooden agate]

it only takes 11 headshots to kill a 50% ceratosaurus in live branch

so anytime people say something about pteranodon's hunting ability i just giggle a little and ignore it

[topaz sage]

LITERALLY. Its a skill issue in the nicest way possible 😂😭

[tranquil finch]

#general-feedback message
THIS

yeah bro day 180 @zinc cloud

[woven bane]

i respect the sheer commitment

[sly moon]

thre are only 4 messages

[normal shuttle]

Hoping we get any of those soon 😔

I liked the hyper rex (especially old design) but it’s a shame the closest we got to a non type H was a new model for spino

[normal shuttle]

LMAO

[tranquil finch]

are you

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

why is everyone's first response just to revert changes rather than adjust them lmao

[urban flax]

Obscurantism

A widespread form of 'tism

[tranquil vale]

I really like this but whenever it gets proposed a lot of people dislike that it 'dictates' play.

Just to confirm, you're saying it only impacts growth and that there's no real downside until you get to the Elder. So, once you mix pack. That's it you lose prime in your current life?

My only point be that people would just do it without caring and mixpack to troll. That being said, you can't solve every problem.

[empty wadi]

great, the bleed resist is beside the point. Carno is too light

[limber hull]

too light how lol

it does its job, it does it well, and its weight doesn't really cause it much issue

[blissful oasis]

#general-feedback message i see what u mean and i agree kinda

elder system is so trikes dont just dominate everything, so eventually they become weak giving others a chance to kill em.

so they should become weak but the check list idea u came up with is good to

so what if it took a really really long time to become fragile. like 2 growths i mean. so if ur a rex and it takes 5 hours to get to adult its gonna be 5 more hours til u go fragile. maybe also make rebirthing buff alot more if this is gonna be this way

[indigo gulch]

Trike isn't unkillable tho, especially not by rexes

[blissful oasis]

ik but yk if the trike

if the trike uh kills babys n stuff making it slower and weaker will make other animals able to grow AND fight it

but in return weighs more so

u become a worse baby killer

but frail elder is WAY to frail

should still gain weightjust not as much as prime

so carno goes to 1,5 tons instead of staying at 1.3

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

there's so much wrong with this lmao

[urban flax]

Allow ptera to inflict small bleed so it can ruin everyone's lives again

[pulsar pivot]

#general-feedback message

[limber hull]

the "reintegrate it into the meta" comment is what got me lmao

[urban flax]

Well ptera has only a winrate of 47% starting at gold rank so clearly it's underpowered 🤓

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message @orchid hedge

It isn't random chance, it works as a unique health bar for each limb

Honestly I have absolutely no idea how the specifics of rex's crush works, but the fracture isnt random

[orchid hedge]

It absolutely is. Tell me how a rex's first crush leg breaks a prime elder trike. But when I crush a prime elder it doesn't for the first like 3?

[limber hull]

It absolutely isn't because I know for a fact that it isn't, I've seen the actual internal stats, you can use software to find it, there is no chance value

[orchid hedge]

Then the logic isn't logicing.

[pliant elm]

Probably locational damage, similar to Pachy

It only causes a fracture if it hits the leg

[orchid hedge]

This is the only logical reason, and even then the locational damage has always felt spotty at best. Probably another issue with desync and the crushes.

[icy lion]

@steep latch Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers

[lament quarry]

Actually no you cant, the stats are encrypted. Or atleast you can't open the .pak file with fmodel, so stop lying lmao

[wooden agate]

this is somewhat recent of a change, but also he was on the QA team at one point lol

[lament quarry]

well that explains it. My mistake then

[wooden agate]

yeah after people datamined allo/rex/trike stats a few months before trike HT, dondi cracked down on that stuff pretty hard

[lament quarry]

yea.. it seems like it

[cosmic lantern]

any news when the patch goes live?

[icy lion]

Read rule 10 #rules-and-info

[cosmic lantern]

it was just a question

[limber citrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1348042377922875473/1411091735727182027/convert.gif

[storm cedar]

Anyone here thinks elders speed is too broken now? My last experience in the game has been, taking out a sub adult with any dino, going to MZ and then being killed by an elder that runs at 55km/h and weighs 1.8 tons, just for example, I grew a maia to sub adult and looking for a maia that was 1 calling , an elder carno and an adult came at me, the elder knocked me to the ground and I had no way to escape, when regularly, against 2 adult carnos I could have tried to run taking advantage of my stamina or even fight, but the game has simply become that if you find an elder, you are dead

And usually some species like dilo gets speed buf un sub stage to run from the adult dinos, but the elders will catch u anyway, so if u want to grow, u need to hide til get elder to

[junior nymph]

@haughty quartz is because the HT has servers of 120 with queues of over 100 💀

[limber hull]

everyone out here playing with rex i dont think he knows lol

[junior nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-vii-remake-cloud-strife-tifa-lockhart-aerith-gainsborough-cloti-gif-27060423

[junior nymph]

@valid flame only 1K?

would have thought you would have more

[valid flame]

Well I do have a job

[junior nymph]

lol

[valid flame]

It's really demoralizing to be killed by a hacker and have no opportunity to get it back when the only time you play is the weekends

[static mulch]

why do other like the zones. i dont get it. imo they just feel and some of them look unrealistic and dont add anything to the game since we have the nutritions.

[limber hull]

the alternative is the Spiro system where you walk in a big triangle and that's it

that's boring as sin

[static mulch]

why should be the only alternative being just walking in a triangle??? the locations of food can be more spread over the map.

[ripe gust]

Agreed

[limber hull]

did you just agree with yourself

[warped fog]

Nono that’s mine lol

[wooden agate]

^

[patent tree]

Isn't the whole design of this game that dinosaurs shouldn't be able to easily punch above their weight class with the trade off being quicker growth time, less food issues traded off for more stats and power? I don't get the idea of a dinosaur being "meta" in this game. Within their weight class, sure. Raptors vs Patchy we can talk about, but Ptera? vs what? Troodons? Herera? Dryo? Beipi? I'm not entirely sure I'm qualified to say if within that bracket they re "balanced" but I'll tell you they can kill just fine with enough persistence, just like anything else.

[limber hull]

yea, there is no "meta" to speak of, and the game has never been balanced around who fighting who

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message name tags as well please

[slow hare]

please do something against the hackers that are playing daily in eu4

[queen locust]

#general-feedback message @random forum i'm like 99% sure this is a bug

[random forum]

I hope it is but some youtube comments were saying devs said it was intentional

Tbh i think Carno as a whole needs to go back to the drawing board and maybe go away for a bit

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
<@&933486433342222376>

[vital laurel]

<@&933486433342222376> #general-feedback message

[vital laurel]

i was first

[urban flax]

And yet my message is above yours

Slow

Shameful

[vital laurel]

its only on your side turst me bro

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-thanos-thanos-snap-dust-gif-16037423944121739362

[topaz crane]

I got this ping first so they are the winner

[urban flax]

@proper bluff It's not hidden bruh, just look where you're going

[junior nymph]

me when there was no foliage

[urban flax]

If you can't see ground in front of you, it probably means there's no ground

[mystic cedar]

where to report player ?

[icy lion]

What are you trying to report them for?

[mystic cedar]

one cera one shoot me and 3 other friend as diablo fulll on EU 10

[icy lion]

Check the pinned messages in #evrima-eu to see how to report hackers

[mystic cedar]

thx

[timid junco]

@pliant elm Heavily agree with your [suggestion ](#general-feedback message). I also think that at smaller stages, juvi rexs should have faster attacks in exhange for their loss of speed

added that to my own instead

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

imagine playing an entire animal that is in reality designed to be nothing more than baby carnivore food lmao

[wintry cipher]

snails, insects, and rats will likely be added to sanctuaries at some point soon.

[timid junco]

@bitter kernel I agree with your sentiment but I do think you can word your suggestion better

[bitter kernel]

I suggested some things in another Feedback already and it was getting ignored (what a wonder, isnt it?)
I´m at a Point that i dont cant stand this "Team" any longer due to the fact that they are ruining the Reputation of a Game which is so beautiful and enjoyable if they would handle their Cases better 🙂
Nobody getting hurt if a Feedback for a Report is given out, Nobody would be sad if an Ticketsystem would be existing and could be seen who works on your case, what actions are taken and on and on 🙂
It´s just sad

[limber hull]

idk what ur beef is with superlunary is but i find them to be the consistently most helpful mod when it comes to this discord

also that feedback was utterly incomprehensible

[timid junco]

yeah I totally get that, I am also incredibly frustrated that they don't acknowledge any feedback at all. I just think its important to remain professional, even if you are talking about really frustrating topics and giving negative feedback. I used to be a moderator on a 10k+ server and we got tons of suggestions, and we were still able to adress them with a proper system. This server doesnt have one and its very frustrating that the devs dont seem to care about our opinions

I personally would not mind designing a working system for it, but as of now I dont think theres any way to reach out and pitch my idea/if its even wanted at all

[bitter kernel]

No beef if i´m being ignored 😄
It isnt just her, as you saw, but she is a Case that i still experiencing sooo...yeah ^^

[limber hull]

i still have no idea what you mean

[timid junco]

From my understanding their post was about how devs/moderatirs ignore us, and that specific devs are bad/incompetent at their job (not that I agree but thats the base of my understanding)

[limber hull]

this server has one, its just not explicity public

[bitter kernel]

I wasnt in such a big server but i get you point 🙂
And yeah, being professional is a thing if not being ignored would be a thing too ^^
I wrote some great feedback, some great suggestions, asked matters in Chat and DMs and getting ignored all the time not just by Superlunary, but by the Game-Admins too, but as i said, for her i have this experience still on hand and yeah, it´s sad 😄

[timid junco]

Wdym?

[limber hull]

this server has channels with the expressed purpose of collecting specific feedback which the devs may show interest in, but it's hidden, because it doesn't need to be public, and they don't want to set a false precedent of suggestions being anything more than that and people thinking that their suggestion is 100% guaranteed for the game

devs have said so themselves

[timid junco]

Oh gotcha thanks for explaining! I personally wish that was public so we could see that some suggestions are being listened to. It sucks that people think their suggestions will be 100% guaranteed and get mad if they arent, so I do get why its hidden. But man, i think showing it is much better than not personally

[iron relic]

Agreeded this guy clearly is rage baiting lol 😆 if anyone has been here for any amount of time longer than 3 years you’d be tired of the slow updates and bug fixes as well as the serious lack of attention to the cheating problem. All that frustration boils over to feedback which in turn the devs have come out and said they read but being as nothing is being done about the feedback that is really important like the cheating issue or critical bugs which most of the time won’t be fixed till the next big update 9 months down the line. Which just makes everyone more angry and we get more players like that guy who complain in feedback

[vital laurel]

@tropic shell its possible to mod the game already

all UE games have it and the devs dont really seem to care about using normal UE modding methods

[hidden pilot]

#general-feedback message Not sure the cliff is at fault here

[limber hull]

how tf am i rage baiting lmao im literally just repeating things that the devs have already said

[iron relic]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1305862519427956768/1323687593627615302/3B12BB0F-9F36-404F-9F91-FCA53077F925.gif

[limber hull]

i was expecting the other lion and dog quote imma be honest

[woven lichen]

Not sure which section of the discord to put this in but just got kicked out of server again and spent hours leveling up a deino to get to prime doing all task then when I log back in I’m dead how is this far and make people want to continue playing the game hours wasted because I keep getting kicked out of server randomly due to what bugs that can seem to be fixed

[junior nymph]

its a testing branch stuff happens

[junior nymph]

@swift raft you go straight into elder rn because testing

[swift raft]

I main Troodon -it is such a fast grow, I just know my lifecycle is out of my hands once this update drops.

Just a shame to see my favourite game change so drastically.

[junior nymph]

how does maining troodon do anything?

[swift raft]

Cause it is such a fast grow.. no matter if they make elder system take longer, it will still be fast as troodon

[junior nymph]

no?

you are going to stay adult for like hours before even going into the elder stage

[swift raft]

How do you know this? How many hours?

[junior nymph]

we dont know how many hours, but dondi just said so (as in around the start of the HT he said it)

[latent olive]

currently the elder system is incredibly fast because testing is needed

we don’t know how long exactly it’ll take but I can assure you it wont stay like this

Actually I can’t assure that

the devs are known to be funky

[drowsy grove]

@slim wagon glad to see some people support my opinion

[slim wagon]

i dont have nitro, so i could only take a section. it was a very articulate text, and covered most of my feeling about it. 👍 🌞

[junior nymph]

@pure jungle you go to a rock and click lmb

like on top of the rock

[compact timber]

LMAO @pure jungle #general-feedback message

"how do I eat this"
then the answers are like
✅ ❌

you should ask can I eat this LMAO

but yeah idk either, heard someone say you smash it to rocks or something

[atomic patrol]

WHY DID THEY BUFF CERATO

[hidden pilot]

cus they did

[half widget]

they tryna make us all quit lol

the isle was a cool niche survival game where u go where you want and do what you want. now its become a grind to meta game mutations... i miss the simplicity. all we needed was an updated legacy with alt bites...

[limber hull]

an updated legacy with alt-bites would not be any good lmao

in fact, isnt that just PoT

[full comet]

would love to be able to change to a dif skin between entombing

[idle vessel]

does the hordetesting servers have scheduled restarts?

[hidden pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-confused-jimmy-butler-confused-eye-squint-gif-12144635464811342257

[hidden pilot]

does ptera not skim anymore? It did last I checked

[limber citrus]

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

what

[urban flax]

I think they're talking about dehydration

[limber hull]

just drink water lol

[urban flax]

There's a woman in France who said pretty much the same thing when people complained they were starving and she got her head chopped off

[limber hull]

yea but see the french people didn't have access to entire holes or paths full of cake to fill their bellies with ease

[urban flax]

That's true
And as a matter of fact, they still didn't after chopping her head, so idk if it was really worth it

They didn't even eat her smh

What was the conversation about already ?

[alpine oasis]

@cold badger can you give me a reason why would you ❌ react this?! #general-feedback message

[cold badger]

nah

[swift raft]

I know they buffed carno & that it is in a good spot right now -but did they also buff cera? (If so, in what way)?

[queen locust]

yeah cera is 1.4T instead of 1.3T

[wintry cipher]

Cera can group up to 5 too now

[forest gate]

cera will soon be the new rex

[neat pulsar]

How many quests for prime elder?

I’m a dilo so

[pliant elm]

Cera now makes Carno vomit with just 1 bite xd

[dapper burrow]

Its 2pm and I can't see an inch in front of me anywhere in this lake.
nightvision does nothing except white wash things out a bit
why is dieno vision so scuffed?

[slim osprey]

nice feedback

[frank tapir]

#general-feedback message the issue is they won't do that stuff

[latent olive]

why on earth would they even consider this lmao

#general-feedback message

[latent olive]

@buoyant sonnet they aren’t cannibals because cannibalism would make the game so utterly easy for Rexes, despite the free AI diablos

also the bone eating thing, just because something can crunch through bone doesn’t mean they eat it

[buoyant sonnet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1112880124723994675/1158836665268306071/cat2.gif

[urban flax]

New stupid copypasta inbound

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

dear god that's INSANE

[junior nymph]

@proven river I really like it

ive been playing pt because of it

[proven river]

That's great to hear!

[junior nymph]

I do feel it has a good future ||unless you like pvp pteranodon but at that point why play pt||

[proven river]

I mean, I never played pteranodon for the pvp, but I wouldn't want to be completely separated from it?

[limber hull]

i love how for some reaon i posted something with the exact same sentiment and people HATED that post

but yea, new ptera flight feels properly organic rather than some kind of drone

[proven river]

Wait what? I'm extremely inactive here, can you find me the message link?

Also, why would they hate it?

[limber hull]

uhh

conspiracy that every change is designed to ruin ptera i think

or general connection to the concept of pvp ptera

[proven river]

That's such a weird viewpoint though, isn't it?

[limber hull]

but i like the weighty feel of it

[proven river]

#general-feedback message
Found it

I agree with all of your points there, yeah.

[limber hull]

ive always felt ptera flight has been odd

[proven river]

Kind of robotic, flat, weightless?

[limber hull]

its never really reflected how a flying creature of that size should feel

[proven river]

Yeah I get you

And it was always kind of a shame because flight systems have huge potential

I hope they develop it further because it'd be really cool if they made something weighty, fluid, and momentum based

That would feel like a tangible thing

[urban flax]

You're just inherently hatable

[limber hull]

true

[trim bane]

gg nothing i could do there

[grizzled matrix]

idk about the last part, but everything else seems reasonable

[wintry cipher]

Tbh if they don't want pt killing things while flying all they would have to do is remove it's damage while flying (outside of hunting ai/things it can pick up like juvie troo), and then they can boost its stamina.

[normal shuttle]

@narrow cypress stego’s whole point is dealing damage

It should be one of the playables with higher damage in the game

Has literally nothing else to defend itself. No armor, no agility, no swimming… just a tail that does a lot of damage quickly

[limber hull]

besides in the cases of both rex and trike, those moves are either especially cheap to use or just free

stego uses 10+% of its stam

also both of those listed attacks do more damage than a powerswing

so i genuinely dont see why you'd ever need to nerf it

@ocean coral it is lol

[ocean coral]

Really? Since when

[limber hull]

since elders were a thing

[ocean coral]

what’s the difference

weight difference

[limber hull]

elder carno is 1.8 tons, elder cera is like 1.5-1.6

i forgot the exact numbers for cera

[ocean coral]

thank god

does that mean carno can knock it down?

[limber hull]

think so

[junior nymph]

yes

[limber hull]

pretty sure cera can use charge bite to raise its stability tho

meaning it can avoid the knockdown and attack back

[junior nymph]

it gets stunned

[normal shuttle]

True as well

Stego better be hitting like a truck if it can only realistically like 4 attacks in a quick succession

To keep some stamina

Meanwhile trike can do its 4k damage move for free as many times as it likes

[wintry cipher]

#general-feedback message

Psure rex isnt allowed to eat bones or rotten meat so that it simulates it taking only prime cuts of meat as the top of the food chain and then leaves behind the rest for smaller creatures to scavenge. It would also make it easier to sustain a larger number of rexes which a server should only sustain a couple adults imo

[lament quarry]

Anyone know the reqs for prime elder deino? I have gotten prime elder on rex and trike, but when i try to get the prime elder on deino, i just get frail elder? Whats up with that? Any1 know?

[vital laurel]

@flint mantle I mean cerato is the bigger of the 2 now

And imo that’s not the issue, it’s a lot of everything else, carno being super weird right now with a half working charge and yeah the group sizes, but supposedly there is another rework for carno coming. Imo cera just needs to not be able to actively keep up as well, but still be able to track and follow for a longer distance during hunts

[flint mantle]

The Carno rework is going to be 1000kg and pack limit of 2

[vital laurel]

I mean 1000 kg and 4-6 group size or smt wouldn’t be so bad, if the devs don’t want cera and adult carno to fight then give them more distinct roles, carno would almost gain from being smaller where he grows faster and needs less food but can still hunt small prey effectively and needs less of it

If you want to play a brawler carni there is cera, allo and Rex, carno doesn’t need to be another pin/big bite carni

[flint mantle]

I’m fine with Carnos role but shoot man little Dino’s barely fill his stomach up. It’s almost like you need to kill things your size and above to feed 3 Carnos.

[vital laurel]

Yeah that’s why making him weight less but deal similar damage would be a good thing

[flint mantle]

His size is fine as it is. They could’ve just left it the way it was.

Making a Carnotaurus smaller just makes no sense lol.

His turn radius is ass, his bite force is low, his growth rate is slow.

His Stam is bad too.

At this point there isn’t going to be a point in playing Carno.

[limber hull]

carno has insanely good stam wdym

carno's speed and stam are by far its biggest upsides

[flint mantle]

Compared to its competitors? No the hell it does not.

[limber hull]

also its growthrate is no slower than cera's

[flint mantle]

It is indeed slower than Ceras

[limber hull]

it is not

it used to be, they patched that

cera might feel faster, that's because it gets much better growth buffs because it can get diets real easy

[flint mantle]

That’s why we should buff it to 1600kg and group limit of 6

[vital laurel]

Why do you want to play carno? To play mini allo, most carnis seems to be pretty much do a big bite or do a pin and then you win, carno is a more unique carni here, there isn’t a need for him to be such a cera rival anymore either with other big dinos in

[limber hull]

that has nothing to do with anything and lol no

[flint mantle]

My love for the movie Dinosaurs tbh. I feel that connection.

[vital laurel]

no, a big carno pack is a lot more destructive than most other packs, it is smaller for the same reason dilo is 4

[limber hull]

carno is nothing like allo, it's genuinely not like any other carnivore

its speed and stam combined with its size makes it exceptionally unique, it can pick its fights and escape basically anything it doesn't wanna fight

[vital laurel]

That explains a lot xD

[vital laurel]

Exactly, what I was saying

[limber hull]

yea

i think people have a fantasty for carno but that doesn't work given carno has the strongest stat in the game, speed

[flint mantle]

I think Carno 1300kg and Cera 1300kg was fine as it was

[vital laurel]

“Dinosaurs” the movie rly isn’t a good representation of carno, it is more like Rex

[limber hull]

eh

honestly the recent changes nerfed cera, but people overlooked it because 100 extra kg

no one noticed the other part of the cera changes

[vital laurel]

I think it could be better for carno to be smaller but still deal high damage(with CC) if you use its kit right, that way it can feed on smaller prey a lot easier

[flint mantle]

Can you explain the needs?

[limber hull]

"Animals with dynamic passive bleed resist are no longer stuck at their highest value"

This basically means that cera no longer has its max bleed resist permanently, and now you can "break" it. This makes cera more vulnerable to bleed, and it has been hyperreliant on this bug to basically be immune to bleed for the past few update

[vital laurel]

So that what that means

[limber hull]

While it gained 100 health and bloodpool, it lost an INSANE amount of bleed res, making it far more vulnerable to bleeders and reducing its effective healthpool by hundreds

[vital laurel]

So omnis can hunt it now and they’ll bleed out group hunting dibbles?

[limber hull]

a lot more than they did before, yes

they still HAVE bleed res, but it's less of a crutch

[vital laurel]

Even then they can run off and sit in a bush with bleed mutations now that they are 5 in group and tanks more raw damage from dibbles

And even if one of them dies it’s a buff for them as long as the dibble stays close to the body, giving them 200 more HP near a body

[urban flax]

Disney initially wanted to use a rex as the main villain in Dinosaurs, but they thought rex was too mainstream after making the whole movie and animating it
So they reskinned it as a carnotaurus, hence the reason why we have massive carnos in disney dinosaur

So you're kinda right

[vital laurel]

Butterfly effecting into ppl wanting carno Rex

[limber hull]

pretty sure that movie directly resulted in hyper carno being a part of the game

[brittle sail]

Hello, do people know how long the updated growth timers for steg and trike are now?

[urban flax]

@boreal briar You're right, ptera isn't a bird

But it is, as a matter of fact, much larger than any of the largest flying birds living today

About 4x the weight of an andean condor and 2x the wingspan

[limber hull]

it's literally bigger than a "huge bird"

it stands almost as tall as a human being and weighs 45kg lol

there's literally no bird like that alive today that can also fly

[boreal briar]

And yet its handling now is also total crap 😅
I dont need the lightning fast turns it had before, just something that feels nice to fly. It takes so long for the turn to initiate now in the HT

They were already getting more and more boring/annoying to play with the stamina changes. (Which i understand, people were using them like UAVs to mixpack).

[urban flax]

I don't think it's too slow tbh
The limitation in how fast it can turn makes it all the more interesting to play, and much prettier to watch

[west tiger]

@still sinew I get where you're coming from but it's still early in the HT. Give the devs some time to add more colors before you start complaining. They already have a bunch of stuff on their plate working out bugs and crashes along with everything else

[boreal briar]

Prettier sure, but if you're fighting anything other than an AI I dont think its gunna be too hard to juke Pteras anymore

[west tiger]

@compact timber maybe not completely nuke it but shrink it down quite a bit. I do like playing in swamp as a deino on occasion. And it's a good spot to grow herbis

[still sinew]

Nah, I work with recoloring 3D models it's as simple as adding a hex code to a list in my experience. And they've been on this path or making things more and more just brown and red for a while.

[compact timber]

1 of 10 deinos enjoy swamp, I'm sorry it has to go

but yeah

shrinking it is agreeable

[west tiger]

Well if you don't like it don't play the dino 😕 just sayin

[compact timber]

I don't, Deino isn't the only thing spawning in swamp, I hope you saw my screenshot

[west tiger]

You aren't wrong. Most of the time I hate spawning there

[still sinew]

I did make that point in my post, did I not?

EDIT/SIDENOTE - the devs don't look at feedback it's just a void for players to yap in.

[urban flax]

Is that supposed to be a bad thing ?

[west tiger]

I mean I didn't see it but maybe I missed it or didn't understand

[compact timber]

no its a beautiful place, don't get me wrong, just the fact that there is a shallow water forcing everything small to swim, not allowing grazing and gastrolithing in most of it's places, slowing the speeds of some creatures down because of shallow water, very difficult to traverse as you can randomly step inside a river without noticing, it's just very annoying to traverse

[still sinew]

nice bud, very kool.

[boreal briar]

For people who play Ptera? Sure. AI and fishing is boring as hell if its all you can do. They cant fight a juvie properly now, at best you can just continue to be an annoyance to things much too big to kill

[west tiger]

Are you a dev? If not don't say they don't look at feedback. I've literally seen videos of them responding to people on YouTube. So yes they do respond to feedback

[still sinew]

a. it's not that deep, don't be so pressed
b. doubt
c. site a piece of feedback that has been implemented.

[boreal briar]

They do in fact look at the feedback and even sometimes respond. Its not like they can respond to every single idea, and its not like most ideas are original either, lots of slight variations on stuff

[still sinew]

obviously things get repeated. I just have no faith they actually care that much. Nice that you have that faith. I admire it, it's kewt.

[west tiger]

I never said they implemented feedback into the game. And I'm sure they do if enough people respond. Also you said they don't look at it at all and I said they respond, not that they add things that people want. If they added everything everyone suggested there would be no game

[west tiger]

Lol kewt? Learn to spell 🤣

In other words don't be patronizing to other people

[boreal briar]

Well I mean.. I wouldn't care that much about people bitching about stuff either xD

But its less faith and more that I've seen responses. They can only do so much do fast, and will only really implement things that are both feasible and something they think works for the game

[west tiger]

Well said

[still sinew]

Lol "there would be no game" does that imply that someone is suggesting to shut the game down?

[west tiger]

Ok something I know they added that people have wanted. Dino ai

[still sinew]

I fully agree - but mind you would never suggest anything outlandish or undoable- I just repeated the "improve color palletts" sentimate. Which we all agree with soooo....

[boreal briar]

Nah nah, cant please everyone. Some people dont want humans, some people want it a dino fighting game rather than survival etc. Basically if they listened to everyone's conflicting or wildy different opinions, nothing would really get done

[west tiger]

Exactly

[boreal briar]

Gotta stay true to their "vision" or whatever

[west tiger]

You can't have colors like blues and stuff that on the hypsi to be on the rex. It's unrealistic

[still sinew]

I imagine there are already plans for some server to have humans and some not, so anyone why doesn't know that is like kinda their bad. lol
But I really think yall are agruing soemthing I never said. Cause fully never suggested everone should be replied to or catered to. Fighting a monster that I never made, I understand maybe SOME out there what ever suggesting and plee to be answered but that ain't me. But I can feel that AND feel like the devs don't really pay much attention to feed back liek at all. It's fine I can think both things xD

[boreal briar]

Well we dont really know their colours do we? (I have no clue if we do)

I get the sentiment for more colours, but im guessing the artists want something that "fits" the dinosaur, rather than a bunch of pink and blue dinosaurs running about.

However, I hope this is something servers could customize? Let em go hog wild with that I say

[still sinew]

This. BIG AGREE. Plees to 'realism' (in colors aside from obvios yucky neons) are shallow imho

[west tiger]

Ya know a lot of people prefer realism

[still sinew]

so do I. but not all instances of realisim directly translate to good videogame mechanics. :3

[boreal briar]

Yeah, always gotta make it fun. Making it more "real" is just a bit silly after a certain point, its a game in the end.

[west tiger]

Ok arguing aside this has me genuinely curious

[still sinew]

Yeah yeah! Exactly! Because there are plenty of things in-game that aren't perfect realistic or ever vague aproximations of their real life counter part and a lot of that can be chocked up to what fun or gaps in what we actuallly know about that dino and even the playstyle and vision the devs have for a creature ot play style :3

[boreal briar]

Like QWOP, or the dumb "you gotta blink occasionally in first person" thing in another game i played XD

Though for QWOP it was the entire basis of the game..

[still sinew]

Was it a horror game? - Actually you know what has me curious the new UI overhaul coming - I can not wait I'm so excited!

[west tiger]

Qwop?

[boreal briar]

A game where you had to use QW, OP to control the legs of a runner in a game.

[still sinew]

I think people should "argue" less and try to "win" less and just TALK to people, I think it's important to talk and tease and discuss something without taking your self to seriously or becoming trully mean or nasty. (I treat errybody like I'm just talking wit a friend) ❤️

[boreal briar]

Yes and no? Kinda of a horror action, I never finished it.

As for the UI im also excited, its teaser was pretty, though I wasn't a fan of the colour on how it blended

All I remember about the game was it was in New York, in the big park

[still sinew]

oh I haven't even seen the teaser! I'll have to find it. OH! you know what I just thought of? Aren't blues really common "birb male marking - look at me ladies" colors?

[limber hull]

hard disagree. the current roster isn't suited for swamp life, but that's to change with stuff like bary and austro. Both beipi and deino are deep-water animals, and swamp is full of shallows, perfect for stuff like austro/sucho/cherry/minmi, not so much for our current selection

[boreal briar]

Dunno about blues specifically but yeah, usually the males with the fancy "look at me" colours. There's some females in species that do it though

[compact timber]

I love having to travel through water that I am forced to constantly swim so I can access my sanctuary

[boreal briar]

Can't wait for Bary, they look fun.

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

"Ppl that like the PT how it is now in HT clearly don't hunt in difficult terrain or forests"

Yea, PT isn't meant to do that, why should it be designed around a playstyle that doesn't befit it? Instead give it stuff that benefits stuff more conclusive to its kit, like rot-eating/bones for a better scav playstyle

[compact timber]

also, it may not be "suitable for swamp life" however this doesn't justify a deino spawning in swamp
if it isn't meant for that environment, it shouldn't have a spawn location there

[still sinew]

honestly I think swamp it just in a bad place. if it was in a central low land I think it would feel less like something you have to slog throu to actually play the game on the rest of the map lol

[boreal briar]

Id be more down for that. Anything to make it more fun to play 🙁

Im real happy with the scent improvement they seem to have gotten. I can scavenge bodies a bit easier now that I can smell them xD

[compact timber]

yeah that's what I'm saying, they should just rework the whole thing, make a different more enjoyable swamp or whatever they must do, but I personally have ONLY had negative experience with every single one of my swamp encounters

[boreal briar]

I just also really enjoyed fighting around trees and stuff. But if they can change its gameplay loop to be more amusing, I guess I wouldn't need to be amused by hunting Juvies

[still sinew]

totally understand that - most of my experiences with it aren't negative but nuetral to "oh look another dino is here" But hey there's always time. :3

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

why make this about gender lmao

[still sinew]

could always improve inthe futre

[compact timber]

yeah wtf lmao

[still sinew]

kinda of a yikes

[boreal briar]

Yeah a bit strange xD

[compact timber]

@west tiger #general-feedback message
hmm that really depends on the variety of colors imo
like if they add neon-like colors I would rather be stuck to variants of brown xD

[still sinew]

Literally this. Also ngl that post seems a little --- petty? Maybe I'm wrong but it feels liek it was done for the wrong reasons and I dunno if I can condone such an action.

[ember otter]

Why was my feedback removed? lol

are only positive feedback allowed?

[limber hull]

probably the weird sexist undertones i would imagine

[still sinew]

Buddy I'ma try to save ya life here, but i can only do so much - it got removed because of the "for girls" comment. You can feel how you want about that, but it wasn't kool. Be kool.

[ember otter]

my life?

[still sinew]

[wintry cipher]

As a female that feedback was highly offensive and people who enjoy fishing tend to be stereotyped as male. Take that as you will

[vagrant phoenix]

This channel is like walking in an unwanted wild card daily

[wintry cipher]

Ptera is being designed as a spectator dino and the devs are naturally curbing the skill ceiling a bit is my guess.

[still sinew]

Tru and I feel like everytime I find out how petty and "I HAVE TO WIN" people are. It's really ... odd. I guess.

[boreal briar]

Im a dude and fishing is great, can confirm. Fishing with Ptera on the other hand, is boring as hell xD

[vagrant phoenix]

I cant be one to talk because i have no context related to now but yeah its 100% that

[wintry cipher]

Yep. Just needs to be made more fun, which is good because if the devs want this to be a survival game, making the actual survival more fun is key

[boreal briar]

Yarp

[still sinew]

brilliantly said!

[ember otter]

a spectator? this is a multiplayer survival game where you have to fight to survive

[limber hull]

i mean, no not always

[boreal briar]

Nah definitely just the needlessly sexist bit at the end lmao. You can call the game / mechanics crap, just do it in a more... political kinda way.

[vagrant phoenix]

Also for the people complaining about cera weight buff, note that carno can currently headbutt and repeatedly spam charge while also dealing knockback... and a prime carno is 1.8 tons, i assume those are players that havent played horde test yet

[limber hull]

you can also flee to survive

[ember otter]

the ptera is probably getting worse because of bad advice

[still sinew]

How did my man's perfectly encapsulate everything wrong with folk in the isle community is such few words

[limber hull]

there's quite literally the term fight or flight

guess which category ptera falls into lol

[dusk wigeon]

I'd love to see ptera become more easily playable. The fliers are my favorite in all dinosaur games but I feel that it shouldn't be this hard to do the basics of survival. Haven't been able to play hordetest yet but I'm hoping it all turns out 🫠

[west tiger]

Lol if you think it's petty I don't know what to tell you. I clearly stated I put it as an experiment cause I was curious what people would vote for. I never put anything in there to sway people to my side

[still sinew]

What did you even think “my side” was?

I mean you can be upset and bad faith, you do you king

[summer olive]

#general-feedback message

They literaly made changes to ptera noone asked for. Everyone asking for ptera to get clam to its diet system since its able to catch em. Everyone asking for ptera to get back its old flight mechanics and the devs just sit there like hm yeah were gonna change the camera to make the players get actual motion sickness from it...

[dusk wigeon]

If it helps, I recognized what you were doing. It's good to see what people want/think. I wasn't aware of the debate until now

[west tiger]

Lol thx

[dusk wigeon]

Np

[clear canyon]

cleaned house.. sorry PT's off to another 12hr shift have fun regrowing

came in.. hid crouched inside of a turtle until 30%.. flew into a tree and stole chickens from you guys until 50%... came in and killed all 4 of ya xD in and out without an eye on me... that was fun 😉

[slim wagon]

@urban bear Please inform me of your 3 mains dinos. your feedback post should be classified as terrorism. you almost got me with your ragebait.

[cyan flame]

@urban bear We must have played very different versions of legacy (survival at least), if you claim AI could not sustain large things, or wasn't easily available.

[brave surge]

I favor herbies when I play and there's so much that factors in to carnivores needing ai, many herbivores bodycamp, carnivores when juvie absolutely need ai, and not to mention the map still being quite large. You're not always guaranteed to run into another player. Like their suggestion doesn't even take deino into account. Legacy didn't have nutrient/diet system nor body decay.

[urban bear]

Omni, Rex and probably Cera. All 3 can live off Ai, theres no bait the game just actually hand feeds carnivores lol

[urban bear]

It simply could not sustain larger things, it could maybe bail you out of starving but it was not sustaining you at all

[cyan flame]

Maybe we consider sustaining differently, but if I could remain alive, being almost guaranteed tasty avas whenever I was under what, 50% or so food (at least in the latest iterations of legacy), I don't really see where you could possibly struggle. As a matter of fact, the AI spawning the moment you got somewhat low on food was terrible, since it ruined any ambush by letting everyone know that there was a hungry carni around. Or are we talking about different eras of the game here, cause if so, early iterations of survival was indeed harsher for various reasons.

[slim wagon]

Try playing deinosuchus 2-3 times, and you will see. I can kind off agree with the Rex though however on unoffical servers when they get released it will be very hard to even survive to subadult on a 200+ player server with herreras,carnos and ceratos roaming. The Rex barerly drained food when i played it. I believe your view on this thing would change with a couple of deinosuchus play throughs . even now there is barerly turtles except west rail. on live servers there are way more, at south coast. i have to literally logout at 20% food and wait to server restart, because the lack of AI . i literally lost my 67% deinosuchus just today. and i had to log out on a new one at 64%.

[slim wagon]

Also just ignore the AI then and find prey if it is so easy?, If what you are saying is true it should be pretty easy to find the action you are looking for . if carnivores are "handfed" use the sniffer it would be lots of corpses 😉 personally when i logged in today at westrail on my deino with 1,6% food and i used my sniffer. there was not a single corpse to be seen or smelled.

[forest gate]

we must buff cerato

[urban bear]

Deino I can agree is a difficult grow, it has limited access to ai. Howeverl and carnivores on an official server with Ai on it are not hard. On an unoffical server yes its more difficult due to player volume and the fact big servers like pettits do not have ai on. All im trying to say is overall its not hard to grow a carnivore on an official server with ai on it.

[urban bear]

I didnt say finding prey was easy, thats not the problem im saying ai makes the game to easy for carnivores since they dont need to search for prey. Carnivores like omni, carno, cera etc are almost always well fed off of boars and deers. I never said anything about other players being easy to find, I just said carnivores should rely on finding other players as prey rather then ai to keep their diet and hunger up

[urban bear]

With a big carnivore like Allo, Rex, Giga, Alberto it was difficult to sustain your hunger high Ai, In Evrima you can easily have full hunger at all times growing a cera and never have to worry about food or growth rate. The problem with Ai in Evrima is it gives carnivores way to many benefits, growth rate being the main one. It just circumvents the need to kill players since both give the same reward for the most part.

[ornate pewter]

#general-feedback message

You're certain this is Dilo night vision?

That is awful compared to rex.

I recently tried Rex just to compare its vision to my usual, Troodon. While the moon is low Rex looses considerable detail that Troodon retains.

[wind mesa]

@left willow #general-feedback message The scream of pain when the fruit falls is all too relatable! Footsteps from behind in particular are near impossible to hear, but i find i can hear every tiny ripple in the water from wayyyyy up high in the sky.

[left willow]

LOL I kid you not, my ears still hurt from that.
Hm, I'm not that familiar hearing other dinos swimming, what I thought was that my dino was oddly quiet swimming for me. Judging by their size, at least.

[ornate pewter]

As a regular Ptera player I must concur concerning the volume of water sounds.

The sound was absolutely necessary for finding fish schools when they were spawning weirdly.

[shrewd ore]

@vagrant dune it takes so long to get weight in. At around 40-45% weight starts to hit 1.5-2 tons if im remembering correctly.

[limpid bear]

why have i already got someone disagreeing with it lol

[slim osprey]

what kind of sick person would disagree with that?

[limpid bear]

no clue considering its smth everyone should agree on

[barren crater]

Shaving off 60-90 seconds off it's regen time would be welcome

[limpid bear]

giving it the fastest stam regen time would be welcome plus small regen whilst gliding

[limber hull]

it absolutely does not need all that lmao

[limpid bear]

yes it does 🙏

[limber hull]

mixpack scout problem x100

[limpid bear]

knew that was gonna be ur prob with it but u do realize it can be used as a scout regardles of anything being changed to it they dont need to butcher the playable just cause of that

[limber hull]

also just sounds incredibly unengaging as an animal

no risk, basically no predators because you literally do not rest for long enough for something like a herrera to get to you, no real stakes

it exists

[limpid bear]

so u would rather sit down for 5 mins and be forced to watch a yt video or smth because its so boring

[limber hull]

i never understood why people have such an issue with ptera stam either

galli has the same stam regen and it's absolutely fine, and ptera is arguably more mobile than galli since its base flightspeed is faster than most sprintspeeds, and its sprinting flightspeed is just absurd, the fastest movement in the game

you can cling to regain stam, or just land, you have wind currents to gain more movement for free, etc

[limpid bear]

all i said in my general feedback was to make its stam regen good , no one plays pt consistantly enough due to the stam regen atleast give us stam regen whilst gliding or less stam consumption for all flying based actions its kinda miserable to play rn

hows quetz gonna work then is it gonna even be able to get up 1 singular hill?

[west tiger]

#general-feedback message
I get where ur coming from on this on the rex but its not supposed to be weak. rex is supposed to be one of the strongest if not the strongest apex in the game. They're supposed to be able to kill quickly and efficiantly

[idle needle]

If a Rex gets its jaws on something, the result should be devastating. That being said, rex is a little too free to spam its crush on a little too wide of a range of targets. It definitely shouldn't pin anything flat to the ground that weighs more than it, and it should be punished in some way for fishing for a pin attack. Whether that be a stamina cost to attempt a pin or a long cooldown between attempts or pin having charges like dilo's clones

[junior nymph]

@dusky swift I like rex only having herbivores on its diet, it works so

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message
why

[covert patrol]

the pvp is fun with a flock of ptera's and just like raptors u always lose some in a fight and you can never take down full grown dinos just juvi's and such heck they are 2 tap to little raptors and even a troodon legit 1 taps just get jumped at instadead why they are on the diet i dont quite know lol but its fun to chill and chat but the real fun is recreating the jurassic park scenes with the dimorphs attacking people.

[covert patrol]

i honestly don't feel like u play ptera the time it takes to regain stam is nuts go to get water regain stam come back from getting water regain stam there is no trotting to regain stam imagine if u never gained stam without sitting still it would be terrible. and the stam it even takes to get to the height for cruising is almost half. seeing your discord profile not gonna respond further mr troll lol.

[limber hull]

what

what is this about my discord profile lmao

[lavish wadi]

#general-feedback message

I didnt get to play evrima when it first released what was the performance like with these visuals? Just curious if that causes issues thats why it was removed

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message I love how people say after the dibble update and proceed to show pictures of stuff from gateway launch and update 6

but I do agree that gateway release looked so much better

[harsh sun]

I got over 150 fps back then

[junior nymph]

the isle tends to how do I say this.... remove good visuals

[lavish wadi]

danggg

[junior nymph]

should see update 4 dev lighting

[junior nymph]

@ivory lodge the little datamined thing is inaccurate lol

[dim raptor]

I fogot how good gateways shading was on release and the highlands looked so good in that old fog back then. All they really needed to polish south and the rest of the map add more human structures... why did the mess with it so much

[ivory lodge]

obviosly

[junior nymph]

then why ask to make it easier?

ive gotten success by literally just playing

[sweet mason]

performance was better by tenfold back in the days of update 1, 2 and 3 I think at update 4 it really started to go downhill, not sure though, it's been a few years

[ivory lodge]

because for some species it is easier than others. Makes sense?

[junior nymph]

but its not?

[sweet mason]

I wonder in which update we are now

[ivory lodge]

well it is especially as a cerato my friend

[junior nymph]

cera???

geez never knew that one after doing it 5 times

must be hard

[ivory lodge]

Cerato is easymode

[junior nymph]

yea

exactly

I dont understand what you want now?

because ive done it on all the playables ive played this ht

[ivory lodge]

do you play solo?

[junior nymph]

yes

which includes stego, maia, raptor, herra, dilo, rex, deino (yes), teno, carno, cerato, ptera soooo

[ivory lodge]

well I guess your the G.O.A.T then. Watch this video at the end and let me know what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLJsRwMF37Q

[junior nymph]

I dont want to but I do have 3.3K hours in the game so maybe I am

[ivory lodge]

well I have 2.9K hours so I must be doing something wrong

[junior nymph]

probs

what do you do in your gameplay?

[ivory lodge]

I also dont use ESP etc 😄

[ivory lodge]

proving that hordetest server is unplayable

[junior nymph]

how?

megapacks of rexes?

fair enough just play no ai

[ivory lodge]

watch and judge yourself. I have recorded a couple of cheaters allready, just look through all my videos and dude I have been killed on no ai server too

[junior nymph]

watch and judge myself? what

[ivory lodge]

the video i linked you it is unlisted anyway

just skip to the end#

[junior nymph]

you died to rexes?

[ivory lodge]

I died to cheaters playing Rex yes.

[junior nymph]

how did they cheat?

because they found you in bushes while you were moving? or how you started running?

its a rex hotspot my dude

[ivory lodge]

ok sorry I am not gonna go further in this discussion. If you dont look at the video properly I cant help it it is allright

[junior nymph]

tell me where you want me to skip to

[ivory lodge]

no its okay no worries. And I know that is a rex hotspot. Do I look stupid? I went there to kill those suckers 😄

I killed 1 of them and i recorded the fight

[junior nymph]

then why complain? Nothing looked bad in that fight apart from them seeing you (which can be done quite easily at night)

[ivory lodge]

Because it is obvious if you would actually understand what is going on in the video#

But enough now this is too much for me 😄

[junior nymph]

I think you just dont want to admit you are wrong

like ok they saw you from far away

but literally me and most people I know have done that before

but if you want it to end that badly, its esp its esp its esp!

but it just doesnt make sense to what your feedback was ||and the game is meant to be hardcore||

[ivory lodge]

I’m gonna be honest, it really seems like you’re just trolling. They definitely didn’t see me from that far away. And honestly, based on your comments, it’s pretty clear you don’t have 3K hours in this game, you don’t seem to understand how things work. Feels like you're either just trying to argue for the sake of it or maybe even one of the cheaters yourself. Either way, I’m done chatting. If you don’t believe me, feel free to check my posts in the Discord. Every video I share or record is of legit cheaters. Your on my ignore now so I can`t see your comments anymore.

[junior nymph]

I think I do have 3K

and on one account btw

I just see people report stuff dumbly

like some are just better and thats ok, but if its a hacker sure

<@&933486433342222376>

fast with it

[cunning sundial]

honestly forget the roster, focus on ai availability, 28 minutes to finally hear 1 dear in the distance, dunno why its not bside me anyways being 2% food

dondo spawn me a phat goat pls

[mortal walrus]

The incident happened in eu4

[icy lion]

@mortal walrus Check the pinned messages in #evrima-eu to see how to report hackers

[stuck rock]

@atomic patrol u disagreed with my feedback you 100% one of the 5th player

[zenith pagoda]

Do you not know what tracking is?? Carnivores can detect ur footprints btw

[atomic patrol]

LOL I misclicked, I looked at it and went "how the fu** can you disagree with a complaint"

[zenith pagoda]

hes accusing someone of hacking cus they tracked him down which is crazy imo

[atomic patrol]

bro can't spell "wich" is crazy imo

[zenith pagoda]

Wow ur so smart 😱

[atomic patrol]

Oh thank you so much you can stop glazing me now

[zenith pagoda]

nah i think i'll keep glazing u cus it's just too much

[atomic patrol]

glaze me with baby oil please

KuNG FOo PAndA DuDU dUDU DUn DuN DUn Dun dUn DuUn DuUn DUuuN

[atomic patrol]

kUnG fOO FigHTIng

[still sinew]

just curious, do rex and trike currently grow ,at the fastest 6-8hrs and slowest around 10? How long for the current mid teirs cera and carno? around 3(fast), 6(long)? What's Stergo at right now? And do we think that alberto and other lrg mid teirs come will cover the time gap?

[zenith pagoda]

Rex and Trike take a loooong time to grow, like 13 hours, sum like dat, cera and carno take like 1 hour and 30 min, stego takes like 6 hours, and alberto idk, prob like 3 hours. (all with a good diet btw) But Im not quite sure, ask this in isle discussion.

[wintry cipher]

I assume so. And cera and carno are small tier preds at 1.3k-1.4k weight. They take maybe 2-3 hours. Stego at 6k takes 6 hours yeah. I expect Alberto or allo would be 3-4 hours.

[still sinew]

Feedback is legit a better place to ask questions - discussion moves to fast for people to get answers are people are busy meme-ing lol
I've made the suggestion for a Player-Player Q&A channel like a year or more ago but /shruggers

[zenith pagoda]

well ur prob gonna get a faster answer there but idk

[still sinew]

I didn't need a fast answer - and I've had better luck here because sometimes the people in here are calm and knowledgeable - but ya know still the isle community we talkin bout lol

[zenith pagoda]

You do realize this is feedback discussion??? And plus I just saw someone ask sum on isle discussion and got like 3 answers lmao

[wind mesa]

#general-feedback message @night mason i find the growth of apexes annoying but completely understandable. If they grew in a similar way to smaller dinos, by slowly gaining a reasonable amount of weight over time, they would ve fairly easy to grow, resulting in wayyyyy too many apexes. By 20% growth you could be a serious problem for smaller tiers, and by 30% equal if not greater than them. waiting until 40-50% to be properly viable and still have large risk is important for keeping the balance of the game, as annoying as it is.

[night mason]

Well, that's right

[wintry cipher]

#general-feedback message

Tldr: The changes neutered stegos and trikes being grown as easy snackrifices for rexes by mixpackers because they used to gain weight way too fast and invalidate lower tier dinos because of it. Now they have to earn it by surviving while weaker for longer