general-feedback-discussion

[tardy zephyr]

You said that you were a yellow health 11.8 ton trike and instantly got pinned and died from one crush

[ember chasm]

I fail to see a difference

[hollow vine]

i died from the pin yea i was yellow hp after killing 1 rex then went to face the cliff the rex runs at my head and pins me and there i was just helplesly laying there to my death

[wooden agate]

then you fundementally misunderstand the purpose of the elder system

[ember flax]

Yeah I Like it as a Carno main for sure

[ember chasm]

By this logic a natural death would be dying unvoluntaraly

[wooden agate]

the elder system gives the game an actual gameplay loop and endgoal with the main intent of ending the PVP deathbowl mindset it grew back during spiro

allowing people to just fight to the death and still get the benefits of the elder system is quite literally making the system pointless

[ember chasm]

you activly decide to die when you entomb

[hollow vine]

rex being able to pin dinos like dibble and maia would be acceptable i get that but 11.8 tons trike getting pinned and dying from that 1 pin makes no sense to me

[tardy zephyr]

If you’re yellow screen you don’t get fractured, even by a full prime elder Rex that’s 12.3 tons. Your story doesn’t add up. Fractures only apply when pinning targets and if you were a 11.8 ton trike a 12.3 ton Rex can’t pin you unless you’re in critical health (low orange/red health)

[wooden agate]

thats not true

i got fractured by a rex and was not pinned

[tardy zephyr]

I’m talking for Rex v trike specifically

[hollow vine]

well i said wat happened man fought 3 rexes killed 1 got body and leg fractured from the other 2 rexes and the rest i already said

i got fractured before or at yellow hp

[tardy zephyr]

Yeah I mean I don’t see the problem there. You fought 3 Rexes, killed one and then died. Seems like a normal thing to happen

[hollow vine]

dying is not the issue its how i died thats the issue

a trike should not go from yellow - pin - death

[ember chasm]

I fail to see the logic that pressing a button reinforces the gameplay loop, growing to elder should already be enough.

[tardy zephyr]

A Rex can’t pin a yellow health trike is the problem, especially if the trike is 11.8 tons. You would’ve been badly wounded like low orange/red screen to be pinned. At the heat of the moment I get it, you might’ve though you were yellow but Rex can only pin wounded trikes

[hollow vine]

even if u somehow accept the ridiculuos pin damage it doesnt make sense i can get pinned from the front

[wooden agate]

because the loop is growing old and dying of natural causes (i.e old age, represented by the entombing mechanic)

not "yay im big! time to just fight to the death!"

[hollow vine]

brother i pressed tab and see yellow so i assume im yellow

unless yellow means orange

but then thats orange

[wooden agate]

its possible you didnt leave it open long enough for it to update

it does have like a .5 or 1 second delay

[tardy zephyr]

Maybe a bug. I’ve tested it countless times and Rex can only pin wounded trikes. Yellow doesn’t = wounded. Only orange/red does

[hollow vine]

and ive fought alot of rexes 🙂 i know wat happened i was there lol

it could be a bug

who knows

[tardy zephyr]

👍 fair complaint then, sorry if I’m coming off as rude just wanna know what happened exactly

[hollow vine]

u aint coming off as rude ure right to ask questions im a bit salty about how i died not the fact that i died

[empty wadi]

did you press tab and wait a second or did you tap tab and instantly close the menu? it takes a second to update

[ember chasm]

Am not even gonna argue over this stupid reason.

[hollow vine]

i wait cause the tabbing is weird on health xD

i had plenty of time cause they were hesitant after i killed their friend

[wooden agate]

i mean you can call it stupid all you want but its objectively correct

like thats the intended purpose behind the elder system

not something you can really say "nuh uh" to lol

[hollow vine]

different question does rex pin actually use their stamina or is it that u unlimited hi ure fcked thing

[tardy zephyr]

It uses stamina. Takes around 30-50% stamina pinning stuff and if you’re pinning a trike it takes almost all your stam

[wooden agate]

you take decent care of your animal, you grow bigger than average, and then die of old age and carry over your mutations alongside them being buffed

so why exactly would we encourage the PVP deathbrawl side of the community to just... ignore that, and fight to the death anyway? when thats specifically what we're trying to avoid?

you can say stupid response all you want, but its objective lol

[hollow vine]

well it didnt seem that way to me xD

at the very least they need to change it where pin doesnt work on the head of a trike

[tardy zephyr]

100-%

[hollow vine]

wats the point of me facing my enemies with my horns if they can just hit the magic button and kill me

[tardy zephyr]

Stupid if it actually works on the head of the trike. Dev blog did mention that if crush is used on a trikes head, spar activates between the two apexes. So it’s probably a bug u got pinned

[hollow vine]

oh waw i do accept the sparring that makes more sense just no pinning from my head xD

and no insta killing a yellow trike with pin either lol

guess with rex here trikes have no choice but to pick the fracture resist mutation

[tardy zephyr]

I wonder how much you can buff it with entomb

Might be able to reliably resist all Rex fractures

Honestly tho Rex should only fracture prey that’s 50% of its weight

No reason for a 12.3 ton Rex to be fracturing a 11.8 ton trike

[wooden agate]

assuming it can be buffed twice (i think thats the limit?) its probably around 25% (if it starts at 15% like i remember)

[tardy zephyr]

I see

[hollow vine]

they werent even 12.3 ton xD

[hollow vine]

no idea tbh

[hollow vine]

i get that they can fracture trikes but at least lower the % or so cause instantly getting fractured destroys trikes sparring and the little mobility they have

[empty wadi]

give Deino a form of the spear fishing but instead they hold their mouths open and wait, or else fix the fish spawns

[pallid ocean]

Do we know what a mass migration is yet

[wooden agate]

yes its been in the game for months

[pallid ocean]

I agree as well

[pallid ocean]

No but what is it I’m asking

[wooden agate]

surprising, right?

thats because no server ever uses the god damn thing

[wooden agate]

huuuuge migration event basically where multiple species are brought together in a massive zone with alot of food

[pallid ocean]

So like the delta mz

[wooden agate]

but!!! it has a 12 hour timer

no server has a restart time over 8 hours iirc

so basically, its a feature of the game thats hidden in the backrooms

[wooden agate]

delta mz but anywhere

so like a big migration to NE lake

[pallid ocean]

O so if I cannie then I have to raise someone then

To get prime

[wooden agate]

maybe? assuming you need 5 of the requirements met

im not very in touch with the way the current system works. i only ever prime eldered a stego

well i mean i know how it works

but specific things like that i dont know. i think its a little too early to tell

especially with the potential of the mechanic being bugged as some people arent getting it

[lucid mauve]

Wish it was 20 things you could do, and if you do 40% you get prime. So it would feel more naturally and not the same thing over and over.

[pallid ocean]

I think if the mass mz were active then we could do it without having to nest but they not so gg

Also are ai bugged in hord they seem to stop spawning after so long

Ik on official they keep spawning but in hord I feel like im having a worse time

[livid wharf]

is the weird delay on crush meant to be the way it's supposed to be? Where sometimes it'll go off and sometimes it won't?

[mortal sequoia]

Love being stuck here and unstuck doesnt even work on HT gotta wait 600 seconds to even attempt it again
Jumped off a large cliff to die and instead i get stuck here
Well GG to HT was a horrible experience based off other things, I cant even get out of that hole and I'm not sitting there for 2 hours to dehydrate to die. Devs really need to fix their Unstuck feature Because it looks like it doesnt work if you are really stuck...

[upbeat marten]

#general-feedback message
I feel like this is a more perfected version of my proposal. Honestly I just wish there was more to do in this survival game other than just fighting being the only fun thing. If that were the case then the entire elder system being forced to partake in wouldn't be nearly as bad because your stats wouldnt matter so much since fighting all the time isn't what you have to do to keep yourself entertained. This entire division in the community over the elder system I feel more demonstrates a lack of gameplay features from the developers to really emphasize that this game isn't just a PvP game. They have said it plenty of times themselves but yet there has been nothing introduced that actually competes with fighting other players in terms of entertaining ones self while they simulate the life of their animal.

This system can be perfected over time, and I feel wouldn't feel so unnecessarily forced onto the player if the player had more to do that didn't involve how much they need their speed or their bite force.

Ultimately, they just need to introduce more filler to the gameplay other than PvP which seems to be what they focus on the most sadly. I hope the devs read these discussions, depite I know they most definitely don't I hope they are at least listening to both sides on this debate on the elder system. I truly want this game to be the immersive/realistic animal survival game the devs seek to create, but in order to do so we just need more stuff to do other than grow just to fight other people.

[tight dove]

Well i can send only i text every 6 hours and the suggestion is too long lol

[tight dove]

Ok i managed to summarize it

let me know what you think about it

[opaque inlet]

@quartz meteor
I very much agree with you. Albeit, Maia never bled but I think it used to bone break, pretty sure it was a bit OP during that time but these days it suffers.

[urban flax]

@wary flicker Patrol zones do not affect the spawning of AI in any way

However they are a good way to find herbivore players as they only spawn when there are herbivore players around

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message Jack Horner plays The Isle

[honest helm]

Why can people only like or dislike in #general-feedback

it should be a thread and people can write into threads to reply on a suggestion

[normal shuttle]

Because people misused reactions

[faint folio]

Because the channel predates discord's thread feature. I'm guessing they haven't updated because even in gaming discords that use the forum/thread system for suggestions and feedback, a lot of people just ignore it and make duplicate posts anyways

[icy lion]

It's also immensely difficult to moderate given how many posts are shared on a daily basis. Each one would open up a tucked-away chat

[icy shuttle]

has anyone also encountered a problem/bug where you are on a gen 3 (twice replicated) dino and none of your mutations work anymore
was a galli in my case, it also changed the skin with the second replication if that is relevant
if you got any info, ping me or reply to the message

on hordetest of course, might i add

[drifting rose]

#general-feedback message deino mains what do yall think

[drifting rose]

in balance feedbacks u can add any reaction

idk if thats relavent but yea

[lapis swallow]

@lusty jackal admins are not devs

[frozen heron]

It is not that deep

[lusty jackal]

my b

its not I jst wish i could talk to the decs

see why

[frozen heron]

Go take a walk or something don't subject devs to your crash out

[lusty jackal]

why they clearly dont care

[lapis swallow]

just look in #isle-discussion. they are occassionally there

[frozen heron]

Yeah they dont care so why keep trying? Lol

[lusty jackal]

they do everything in there power to make this game worse

[lapis swallow]

one of them is named Salty

[lusty jackal]

ruin ai, ruin pterra, ruining carno in the hordetest, making the hordetest unplayable, fish ai still dont work I could keep going

[faint folio]

@honest helm I don't think they can speed growth up any more, because one of the things they are testing is the elder system (which has certain requirements to become a prime elder). These requirements are actually kind of difficult to get on smaller, faster growing dinos because the grow speed is faster right now for testing.

More practically, the horse testing server isn't intended to let players learn from their mistakes. It's intended to find and report bugs, like the one you described with Rex/trike, so that the bugs can be patched and players CAN learn from their mistakes on the live/main branch when it is implemented.

[lusty jackal]

yo I jst wanna say I hope for yalls sake Im wrong and its jst not being worked on yet, I genuinely like this game and thats why it makes me so mad, which ik is a little bit immature, but yeah i think imma quit and come back in a few months to see if anything changed

[faint folio]

Nothing wrong with that. Go play games that bring you joy. The isle will still be here when you come back, I suspect

[honest helm]

Hmm yeah, i appreciate you taking time for the reply.

And yeah i guess your right, its maybe not yet there to play it frfr idk just sad cause it could be so fun

[faint folio]

It will be, by the time it's released on the main branch!

[honest helm]

how long?

[faint folio]

There's no ETAs, so... Presumably when they're happy with the build and have patched any bugs they want to catch prior to release

[signal wyvern]

Rex 4 shotting deino is fine, even in Deinos territory but there needs to be some counter that Deino is able to employ such as deathroll or grabbing mechanic for weight classes similar to Deino.

Kind of one-sided fight even in water, the only time Deino will come out on top is if the Rex he/she is fighting is clueless.

[honest helm]

ye but pinning a croc 6 tons on ground with 44% is literally crazy haha, as a 9.35 tons

[signal wyvern]

The grabbing mechanic needs a rework, there is no reason why the water should be safe even for apex predators but the way the attacks/mechanics work for Apexes Deinos unfortunately doesn't stand a chance in equal fights.

[signal wyvern]

I've killed a rex as a croc with the help of another croc friend but thats because that one rex was stupid enough to swim and fight 2v1 in water. His rex friends stayed on the shore(smart) to try to get smash bites on us. This left the one rex open and we killed him in the water while the other 2 rexes watched.

YOu best believe if the other two Rexes gathered some courage to swim they could've easily killed 2 8 tons crocs the way things are now.

[lean escarp]

#general-feedback message

any opinions on this? ive noticed that a lot of the bugs and imbalances we're seeing in our dinosaurs is mostly because the developers had to adjust stats for every single species to accomodate for their elder lifespan. which is really counterproductive, since they basically had to squeeze it into 100%...

But im wondering why they didn't just add another hidden 100% growth meter for the Elder system.

[icy lion]

@merry pine Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers

[merry pine]

Ik how to report but I don't have the record

[icy lion]

You don't need to have a recording to make a report

[merry pine]

Oh well that's good

[clear sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/grandma-dinosaur-cane-point-old-gif-17121498

ELDER TIME

[honest helm]

tell me why can carno kick a cera as it would be a dibble ?

[pliant elm]

Yes

[faint folio]

I don't really understand what you're trying to ask

[ornate pewter]

I believe the reason Prime Elder declines below the stats of a normal adult is to encourage another life cycle.

So much effort has been put into this game's growth system, animations, gradual change of appearance, shifting colors, and the different values reflecting those life stages.

To sit as an adult, or a perfectly powerful prime, forever, is an absolute waste of what makes it all so great.

Besides, stack a few lifetimes of mutations atop your prime 100% elder and you'll barely feel your age.

[nova sparrow]

came here to say that.... getting to Adult is a challenge, and the reward is greater power, getting to Prime Elder is a challenge, and the reward is in the doing of it and the reward is entombing to start over with upgraded stats, not endure forever as your most powerful form.

[latent olive]

@queen ember is this true

[queen ember]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-dare-challenge-gif-24821128

[ember flax]

@pliant elm Hemomania and speed mutations only gain 2% stack

[pliant elm]

It's still a buff

[ember flax]

I think hemomania should be 5% like the rest

But speed mutations should be the same only if they adjust frail's speed

Frail's should be same speed as adult's

Prime Frail's ofc

[lyric eagle]

is spearing bugged for anyone else? just not working at all

[ember flax]

Bugged as in how

[lyric eagle]

doesnt work at all when holding rmb near water

[pliant elm]

These mutations are already bad and unbalanced and their default value, the correct thing to do is remove them from the game

[ember flax]

You need to wait around 1 minute 30 seconds

[south dome]

Why haven't they made a ticket system yet it feels like I mentioned it when I first played a year ago

[ember flax]

Cause that requires too much attention

Go on a unofficial server

[ember flax]

Hemomania rn is not unbalanced

It's very niche

Compared to the other good mutations Hemomania is literally awful

[bronze niche]

@icy saffron i like this idea, another "why it matters" section should be

as a predator it can make finding your prey that live in these areas way easier to find considering these stats will be important to maintain

and that predator that has predators works the same way vice versa

[icy saffron]

ye, first thanks for sharing ur opinion and agreeing too
second, I wish I could include it but hit the character limit xd (3 letters left)

[bronze niche]

thats fine

[icy saffron]

Hope it gets some more views and opinions, I would really like such an implementation - it would make the gameplay's interactions so much more diverse and meaningful
Heading to bed, good night keegan!

[formal relic]

my feedback post was feedback. Deleting it doesnt make sense. i'm not interested in making an unseen report

[urban bear]

@loud scarab You do realize a rex can pin a fully grown stego right?

like if hes trying to run you down you can turn around, tank a tail shot then pin it

[loud scarab]

@urban bear oh arent you intelligent I did that exept ot was 3 stegos 2 elders and 1 sub

[urban bear]

huh?

[loud scarab]

tell me buddy how do you think it goes down when that happens

[urban bear]

Why are you approaching 3 stegos and 2 elders as a lone rex?

thats honestly on you what did you expect them to do

[loud scarab]

they hunted me down you cant run fron them that is what you dont understand, I didn’t approach them read it again maybe you didnt read it right the first time

[urban bear]

And you have your ambush speed boost as a rex to get away from them

so theres no real reason you should be dying there

get in a tree line and ur never being found

you clearly got close enough where they could run you down, keep your distance lol

[loud scarab]

you cant get away from them thats what you dont understand I did exactly that

[urban bear]

You can

You have enough stam to outstam a stego and you have your sprint boost to make urself faster then them for a good while

so just an actual skill issue

[loud scarab]

You cant I they caught up to me immediately or where they hacking because Im telling you that did just happen, brother its not a skill issue i have 1.2k hours on the isle you dont know what your talking about

[urban bear]

You have a sprint boost to be faster then them though how are you getting caught

you had to have been very close to have been run down its not a very big speed gap

[loud scarab]

You cant outrun them full stam I used ambush to get away grained distance 50% stam gone they caught up immediately… I pinned one and the second one two shot me immediately

[urban bear]

yeah

[urban bear]

If they ran you down that fast its propably cheating

[mental mountain]

Is this bait or a joke

[urban bear]

there is no shot they should be catching you that fast unless you got close because at that point they can run you down on reasonable stam

[loud scarab]

they caught me immediately thats what you are not comprehending

[mental mountain]

They are hacking

[urban bear]

then it was cheating because they simply arent that fast

[mental mountain]

It's the other away around normally

[urban bear]

especially if you actually used ambush lol they are not running you down instantly

[loud scarab]

I wasnt close I logged in after server rest and they ran me down immediately even with ambsuh

[urban bear]

then it was speed hacking

[loud scarab]

couldnt do anything but watch my rex disappear

[urban bear]

If you had replay on go get their names and report

[mental mountain]

Sad truth is you kinda always have to have replays on now

[urban bear]

yeah

otherwise you have no proof, sadly hackers are becoming more common on ht

[loud scarab]

why is that a thing hacking in a game like this

[urban bear]

because people are weird

[loud scarab]

spent 12 hours growing this to be killed by hackers immediately

whats the point?

[urban bear]

fun!

[loud scarab]

if you don’t believe me theres 3 stegos killing everything in sight rn in Eu 1 west

[urban bear]

ping an admin on the EU chat and tell them there are hacking stegos on there

dont location drop if you do report in EU evrima chat for some reason its not allowed

[loud scarab]

I dont care , clearly no one cares dedicating time and patience to this game to be betrayed by it in the end its whatever

herbivores shouldnt be allowed to be murder machines

there has to be a way to determine defence from offence

[wooden agate]

considering 99% of stegos are just getting insta pinned and die, i genuinely don't know what to say lol

[north bloom]

@loud scarab , i was the stego elder who killed you, i played the rex alot, and if you murder sprrint until 60% and regen while walking, and repeat, a rex would always leave without problem, i know what i say bc i did this as rex, rex is op and powerful, a good rex vs an elder stego the rex win.

and we are not hacker lol

[wooden agate]

well you said it for me

[pallid ocean]

I think that as a carni u should be allowed to break a beehive and it will sting u low to orang or 1 from red so u cant sit and farm it but it gives u diet from the comb and honey but not too much food or it can do both. but so babys who have a hard time can get diet but not feed from it to much so they still have to go eat and hunt sum.

what yall think

[supple pine]

Oh, and the coffee maker is still off. That’s gonna grow mold without heat, so I hope they turn it back on soon.

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

@tropic matrix they're probably being all eaten

considering you can smell them now

[tropic matrix]

im far from the main sanctuarys, and server crashed not that long ago

0 mushrooms i can smell or see

[urban flax]

Here it is
#general-feedback message
"Stego killed my rex, nerf stego"

Took long enough

[empty wadi]

w h e r e . i s . N A 3 . H T ? 💀

devs.. my prime stego.. is in the void with NA 3 hordetest.. plz..

[stark hawk]

Did they improve deino's night vision like people where asking?

[junior nymph]

It’s a bug every animal in the game can see that far in lakes

Also imo deino shouldn’t have good water vision, instead buff its water sense so you can sense stuff in and near water and make it have a good distance

[stark hawk]

yeah I agree

[fallow mango]

no

[limber hull]

i dont see whats wrong with that idea??

sounds really cool and unique to have a predator that basically will find you if you move too much

[fallow mango]

i agree on the water sense part, i disagree on deino not having good water vision

[limber hull]

nah, i like the idea, adds a really cool element to it

the idea of having to remain dead still as an aquatic as a deino swims past is so cool

[fallow mango]

well...good i guess, i dont

[limber hull]

id rather it have one or the other, because both sounds kinda boring

and honestly good vision is more boring than an exact knowledge of anything that moves

[fallow mango]

have you ever heard about nictitating membrane and integumentary sensory organs concepts? i mean i know its a game if you are going to reply me about realism, those are the basic concepts because i dont agree, but its ok its only an opinion

[limber hull]

i never replied to you about realism

[fallow mango]

ok

[limber hull]

i just think it'd be good gameplay-wise in terms of both playing as and against deino as another aquatic

[fallow mango]

i think in terms of gameplay, when you play with deino you rely more on vision to spot other deino, to find school fish and elite fish , to see trought the surface when you´re going to ambush, when you trigger water sense you make visible blobs on water surface and make a growling that anyone can hear not being so near the water

[latent olive]

third partying this discussion like a Rex player in legacy survival

I think deino’s animation in the devblog with its eyes above the water should provide a really good water sense and allow vision but lock vision to surface only

maybe

[fallow mango]

not to mention that you dont use water sensing as much as vision, water sense only gives you information when somebody is drinking on the shore o swimming in water

[junior nymph]

water sense should be how deinos see things

why not use a cool mechanic that only deino has?

[fallow mango]

because already has it and i think is good as it is, its a giant crocodile not a swimming bat or a submarine that uses ultrasonic waves to locate things

[limber hull]

it used to work while players are underwater, which is what i assume the suggestion implies

allowing deino to detect animals beneath the water as well asmore effectively, but with poorer underwater vision

[junior nymph]

so it already has it meaning you cant buff it to make it fun and unique and cool?

[junior nymph]

yea

[fallow mango]

not necessarily a buff

[junior nymph]

wdym?

so we cant buff it?

[fallow mango]

did you read something above? when i was chating with mr ava? the part that deino gameplay relies most on vision?

[fallow mango]

i see, what are your suggestions on the water blobs and audible growling when you use water sense with deino?

[limber hull]

nothing? thats extended water sense, water sense is a passive as well

you use that to find people further away, but water sense is always active

[junior nymph]

its more about how you worded it

[fallow mango]

then try to read it again

[junior nymph]

I did.

[fallow mango]

then you suggest increasing the range of the passive sensing pooring the vision?

[fallow mango]

then try again i dont know

[fallow mango]

you said something about water sensing inside water too right? then i have a question, when you sense inside the water schooling fish, and elite fish passing by, a deino swimming and a beipi behind for example, how can you detect what is in front of you? perhaps different indicators of water movement based on size of what is swimming near you?

if that exists then whats the point of using a dirt like skin on my baby deino to camouflage and move slowly at the bottom to get away from danger, they will detect me anyway (you have more chances if they rely on vision in that case too)

i think is adding a problem to the game when deino only needs better vision (underwater and night vision too)

[lucid mauve]

It is a good point, i dont want to see movement in the water. And its pure rng if its either fish or me walking straight into a bary/suco etc. When im growing

[empty geode]

question ? had a fight with three raptors and two cerato as a trex and could harldy land a shot

Does anyone think the trex is too slow also attacks seem slow and agility is on zero is there maybe some tactics i could improve on or??? any advice

maybe a alt attack similiar to the dino

[flat onyx]

@dry falcon i agree this animation has so much personality to it, a swaggy 'idgaf' kinda vibe, which i think would suit allo much more.

@twilit bramble the current map is just way too big and west access was a relatively unpopular area so i can see why they made the decision to remove it

[ornate pewter]

As a player who plays Beipi, the idea of full watersense being given back to Deino is ridiculous.

Deino is already faster then Beipi and able to lay lower in hidden positions longer then Beipi.

Deino with full watersense negates all hope of hiding and sharing the environment with them for basically every playable.

I can see that power being given to another semi aquatic playable but not an apex predator that outpaces everything in its environment.

[signal wyvern]

Well you are looking at it one sided for sure, Deino needs to be able to see underwater at the very least. IRL they use sonar but we can't imitate that easily and that same sense is much more powerful than sight.

They can make beipi faster but ideally you are small hard to catch already and faster on land so there are no excuses for you to get got by a croc.

If a croc chases you, you have a great defense which is going on land. No croc in their right mind would chase you then, and if they do well they aren't catching you anytime soon.

[pliant elm]

All 3 damage mutations and 2 speed mutations are unbalanced as they change a fixed stat of each Dino

[ember flax]

And none of them affect abilities only you're bite

[pliant elm]

Especially these mutations in a Cerato, make what is already Op, stronger xd

[ember flax]

Dilo and cera are the only ones that benefit alot from it

[pliant elm]

Fortunately, it doesn't affect abilities either. Affecting only bites is already very unbalanced; I can't even imagine what it would be like if it affected abilities as well.

But, Cerato is an exception in this

[ember flax]

And that is bad How?

[pliant elm]

Charge bite is affected by them

[ember flax]

That's what mutations are for

[ember flax]

Yeah ik

[pliant elm]

Each dino has a fixed speed or damage for balancing purposes

[ember flax]

As cera in live build you're always gonna get dmg reduction , gastro and speed

You never really pick dmg mutations

Unless you are nested and get lucky

[pliant elm]

And these mutations break that and make them able to do things they shouldn't

[ember flax]

The lower hunger the more dmg u deal mutation is niche , the 5% one barely changes any breakpoint's and the 10% on target's below 35% is also just niche

[pliant elm]

There's literally no point in keeping mutations like this in the game, only the survival mutations. The only ones I see who don't want them are those who can't play without them, Because they got used to it and don't know how to play without a mutation that makes their dino stronger in something it shouldn't be.

[ember flax]

bro the survivability ones are way better

[pliant elm]

Some are, but that doesn't eliminate the problem of combat mutations

[ornate pewter]

The end result of this is... Croc enters pond, if any smaller semi aquatic playables become aware, they leave the region entirely for new waters.

In contrast, a Troodon or Hipsi can share an environment with large land predators, simply by staying hidden.

Giving Deino the ability to sight prey underwater negates all value to the use of underwater foliage to keep hidden, and any use of camouflage.

It is the equivilent of giving Carnotaurus the power to scent living prey in its vicinity.

Finally, if possible could you find a citation concerning the idea that crocodilians have access to echolocation? It's my understanding that this trait is mostly exclusive to mammals, marsupials, and a few birds.

[signal wyvern]

That is a map design issue, not an eyesight issue. They could solve this by making the underwater environments actually have decent foliage and seaweeds etc..

They focus mainly on land adjustments and even now break the water immersion. 1 step forward 2 back.

[signal wyvern]

Do you want me to link you a crocodile documentary?

They have their sources im sure you can investigate

[ornate pewter]

You could simply cite that name of it, I'm not disagreeing with the idea.

.
I do think water environments need greater detail. Especially if more small water playables will eventually be added. Beipi can handle land much better the Deino, but is generally a walking snack up there.

In Hordetest right now, some aquatic areas are much more visible then they were previously, though I've yet to try it, stacking the water sight mutation over the course of multiple lives may significantly improve things.

[signal wyvern]

https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2012/11/08/alligators-and-crocodiles/#:~:text=Their analysis led the scientists,of more than 2%2C000 psi.

They are called mechanoreceptors

They respond to pressure and vibration changes

So sensitive that even a human fingertip cannot detect at those frequencies.

You give us this sense, gator can sense beipi enter water from ripples across the lake.

There are good reasons they are one of the most perfectly evolved predators and still live today at least as a subspeices of the ancient Deino

One of those I would argue is their ability to sense prey

[signal wyvern]

Though going back to our discussion I would agree with you that they need to improve the underwater terrain and make it difficult for big predators to find smaller prey. Cause the same issue you described happens to smaller crocs, in fact, any croc below 90% is food for a fg croc.

[ornate pewter]

That would make sense, though awareness of a moving target does not necessarily entail immediate awareness of their exact location.

If we were being very realistic, both this and echolocation could be interfered with. Obstructions like sea weeds and rocks could impair such sighting.

Powerful water currents, as you might find in a river, could possibly do the same. Currents downstream may be undetectable, while those upstream might get confused amongst other movements.

Perhaps explaining why crocodiles and alligators usually dwell in slow moving bodies of water.

[signal wyvern]

This is definitely too much to ask the devs to implement, I would rather encourage them to do the easy solution and make the terrain underwater actually breathe life and have some foliage. Swamps are okay in some areas and dead in most, likewise with rivers.

They should have a big update and focus one big update for revamping the underwater terrain and making it more feasible for smaller animals to coexist.

Though I have seen videos of crocodiles completing ignoring seaweeds, logs and other obstructions just to lunge at their prey. So it's definitely a combination of these sense that they use that enable them to ambush prey easily.

I wouldn't say seaweed or rocks impair their senses as they use a combination and there are videos showcasing this too.

[signal wyvern]

There is an easy fix to this: server-side authentication.

Atm it is client-based which is crazy outside of coop games. You never trust the client; if it was server-side damage hacks wouldnt be possible nor any other stat based hacks. The worst they can do is ESP which there are ways to detect this runtime.

As for movement and server-side auth there is easy solutions to smoothing movement to rid of rubberbanding and that is just lerping movement.

Client based auth trusts the client for movement, and any other actions. Switching to server-side would make client only send inputs to the server and the server sends back position and every other parameter to the client; this would completely eliminate most hacks if not break them outright with this change and the only possible hack at that point would be ESP which EA with some help can detect easily at runtime.

I have been stressing this fact as the only possible cheats should be ESP with server-side auth, unless they got admin privilages or somehow breached the servers which at this point you could consider a huge security risk for the company and their playerbase.

I encourage you to take a look at other competitive multiplayer games and how they implement their server-syncing and I can assure you most competitive games use a server-side auth and never trusts the client to do anything other than press a key. I can give direct examples of these games, and it's not a huge task as far as changing the auth from client to server side.

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message why the hell do people keep pushing this when nothing has changed in years and spino is arriving so relatively soon?

[rustic cypress]

UASHAUSHAUH EXCLUIRAM MEU POST

kkkk palhaçada hem

[tepid river]

@rustic cypress
Please keep in mind the server rules, and that we request English only in the discord unless there is also a translation provided in the message. Do not post sites that are promoting cheats for the game please.

Unfortunately, sites like that are not something we can remove very easily, though work is being done to remove cheats. Getting rid of the website is not just as simple as telling them to take it down- they can refuse, put up a new one, etc. It's a process that takes time, and is something that is regularly handled by the developers and senior administration.

Por favor, lembre-se das regras do servidor e que solicitamos apenas inglês no Discord, a menos que haja uma tradução na mensagem. Não publique sites que promovam cheats para o jogo, por favor.

Infelizmente, sites como esse não são algo que possamos remover facilmente, embora estejamos trabalhando para remover os cheats. Livrar-se do site não é tão simples quanto pedir para removê-lo – eles podem recusar, criar um novo, etc. É um processo que leva tempo e é algo que é regularmente gerenciado pelos desenvolvedores e pela administração sênior.

[rustic cypress]

In this case when you die to Hack, do you return Growth?

[tepid river]

Yes, as long as evidence is provided for us and it wasn't too long ago. We don't hold grows for people to cash in later, such as if you died days ago and are now requesting one. They are not a guarantee, sometimes things are due to bugs, crashes, or evidence doesn't clearly show someone died to someone else cheating.

[rustic cypress]

I have no videos, but I was 11 tons and I died instantaneously

[tepid river]

Unfortunately without evidence or an admin having seen it themselves, we cannot do a grow.

[tepid widget]

Full servers seem empty at times, thoughts one increasing player limit? 150-200?

[lusty jackal]

DUDDEEE THEY FIXED THE FISH AI IN THE HORDE TEST

OMG

I LOVE THESE DEVS ATM

[fervent sigil]

my server crashed 3 times in a row lol

[lusty jackal]

well theyll fix that

ive been waiting on this fish thing for like a month

[fervent sigil]

when i get fg trex ima play as deino

ya it was bad

[lusty jackal]

Omg

This is lit

[fervent sigil]

i cant see a single server

[lusty jackal]

rip

yeah i think mines down too

[fervent sigil]

ya there no server showing up so ima verify game files

[obsidian jetty]

#announcements message

[fervent sigil]

might be update

[faint folio]

Hordetest servers are down for a patch

[fervent sigil]

ok thank you

[faint folio]

It also looks like there may be a client side patch too based on the announcement... You may need to restart steam to get it

[fervent sigil]

ok

[static mulch]

As a pterodactyl, the saltwater mutation is bugged after rebirth. You become dehydrated if you drink saltwater instead of rehydrating, and since the game thinks you already have the mutation, you can't select it again. Have you noticed this with other dinosaurs as well?

[tardy zephyr]

#general-feedback message

@pliant elm I disagree. I think Rex needs fractures because it simply doesn’t have enough raw damage to be able to one shot prime dinosaurs therefore they’ll be able to tank a crush attack then escape

I don’t know if I’m wrong about this or what. I’ve seen so many people say Rex doesn’t need fractures but I’m seeing a different perspective. I’d love if you could show me otherwise

[feral creek]

hey can someone please help

i got stuck in hordetest and i dont know what to do

please someone

[faint folio]

try /unstuck (forget which way the slash goes)

it does require you to be kinda far away from other players and there is a cooldown to prevent spamming

[feral creek]

thankss

[junior nymph]

@crisp maple half a hour? Ive been doing it for two hours

[solar umbra]

This drinking system needs to be touched on for the HT for Deino's. I sometimes get locked in animation and not drink. ALSO, I'm not liking the not seeing through the water when looking up from underneath.

[limber hull]

@storm aurora fracture isn't chance based and hasn't been since legacy

[storm aurora]

i know its not? thats why i suggested it

[tardy zephyr]

It shouldn’t be chance based, period

[limber hull]

^

[storm aurora]

then have it at 100% every time?

[pliant elm]

Why does Rex have to be able to One-shot a prime elder?

[tardy zephyr]

Yes but bone break shouldn’t even bone break stegos

[limber hull]

it's not at 100% because it's not chance based lmao

rex just does an obscene amount of fracture damage

[pliant elm]

And, well, you can still Oneshot because the crush damage is very high

[tardy zephyr]

Only prime elders that are mid tiers. If they get ambushed by a Rex they deserve to die since if Rex can’t hunt then he’s just going to starve to death everytime

[storm aurora]

thats iffy. i wouldnt be upset if it didnt. but i think it should for dibbles and anything below that doesnt get 1 shot

[limber hull]

it... it can hunt though

[tardy zephyr]

It’s not high enough to kill them, they’ll end up escaping which shouldn’t be the case

[limber hull]

why would the inability to one-shot prime elder mid-tiers = rex is going to starve to death

[tardy zephyr]

Without bone break ^

[limber hull]

i can assure you, there's more than just prime elder mid-tiers in the game to hunt

[pliant elm]

But that's how it should be. Rex shouldn't one-shot anything bigger than a mid-tier

[storm aurora]

thankfully they added dibble trike and galli AI

[tardy zephyr]

Because if you can’t hunt prime dinosaurs that are dibble size and above, that’s going to have a huge impact on you when the roster is fully out. That’s like 70% of playables you won’t be able to kill due to them tanking a crush attack then running away. It’s not healthy or good

[storm aurora]

ehhh? i mean if its a headshot it should otherwise not but get them VERY low

[limber hull]

no that was godawful and i hope they're gone soon lol

[storm aurora]

why? lowk curious

[tardy zephyr]

I know, it shouldn’t. Maia and dibble are mid tiers and he can’t one shot them in their prime stage which is why Rex has bone break, so they can’t tank it and escape. Rex has no business bone crushing anything stego and above

[limber hull]

i despise them

they're an easy out for rexes actually having to work to achieve adulthood/elder, they diminish social elements by being completely impossible to interact with, they're beyond easy to farm and they genuinely remove any immersion due to the fact they're immediately identifiable as AI

[pliant elm]

Bro

Rex has pin

[tardy zephyr]

If they can simply tank the pin and escape, it wouldn’t matter. THINK!!!!!

[limber hull]

prime maia is already basically stego weight

you can't be all for rex fracturing the prime maia but also hard against it fracturing stego

[rocky lantern]

guys what do we think of carni adults being able to carry hatchlings and juvis?

[pliant elm]

Not to mention that Rex is now faster than Dibble

[limber hull]

yup, that's a thing now too lol

[tardy zephyr]

And I dislike that change. I don’t know why devs nerfed dibble speed

[pliant elm]

With ambush

[tardy zephyr]

Dibble needs its speed back imo

[limber hull]

it would? they're bleeding hard, extremely low on health and stam and easy to track

like you've already won sans fracture

[pliant elm]

Rex doesn't need fracture, he already has a skill that can deal very high damage and still do Pin/grapple

Fracture worked on the Legacy because there simply wasn't any mechanics there, just the bite

[tardy zephyr]

Brother a Rex isn’t tracking anything. A Rex right now can crush a prime dibble that’s 3.9k health, decide not to kill it and toy with it, dibble with barely 500 health and bleed won’t bleed out at all even while standing still for 2 minutes

[storm aurora]

i like the idea for certain species

[rocky lantern]

yeah

do the devs actually add stuff in #general-feedback

[storm aurora]

no it doesnt. dibble's weight is highballed 1.5 - 2 tons. making it faster is stupid

[tardy zephyr]

You’re not seeing my points at all, you’re repeating the same nonsense over and over without arguing why my points are bad

[junior nymph]

If they like it yea

[empty wadi]

why does NA 3 keep getting nuked 🙁

[tardy zephyr]

You’re just saying “Rex doesn’t need this because he has this and that” while disregarding everything I’m saying that explains why Rex has bone break in the first place

[pliant elm]

But, in evrima, Rex has multiple attacks: Stun/Knockdown, 2 variations of alt attack, ambush and an ability that causes high damage, Pin and can cause grapple. Why does it need to cause a fracture other than to have easy gameplay where you just press a button and let the game do everything for you?

[limber hull]

rex is an extremely good tracker wdym rn lol

[empty wadi]

@crystal trail NA 3 hordetest has vanished again

[tardy zephyr]

It is not. It can’t track down a stego that uses all its stamina to run away (it shouldn’t be able to anyways but this proves the point it isn’t a good tracker). It has one of the worst scent tracking in the game

[junior nymph]

it will come back up

[storm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/basketball-meme-gif-5051779013126861108

[tardy zephyr]

Have you been playing Rex @limber hull most your points about Rex are false

[rocky lantern]

k

[pliant elm]

But that's exactly the point. Rex has more mechanics that allow him to not need to fracture in his attacks, but simply use his other abilities

[empty wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/when-gif-20190303

[junior nymph]

from 2-10 minutes after crashing

[tardy zephyr]

Ok so then tell me, if a Rex can’t one shot something that’s faster than him and can’t bone crush him either, how is he going to kill the thing that’s faster than him after they tank the crush attack and speed away? Educate me

[storm aurora]

thats the thing. its accurate. (expect for adol rex being 1200 kg and 57 km) its pretty balanced

[pliant elm]

So, you want to succeed in every hunt even against faster things? My god

[tardy zephyr]

If you make Rex unable to kill anything that’s above 3.1 tons that is faster than Rex (not slower), he won’t be able to hunt 70% of the roster and will starve to death every session. Yes I expect Rex to be able to kill faster things by ambushing them, and having to brawl slower things while being at a disadvantage if ambush isn’t used. Simple game balancing brother

[pliant elm]

Dude, giving Rex a fracture doesn't just affect these smaller things but also his fights with the bigger, equal weight ones

[tardy zephyr]

And that’s why Rex shouldn’t fracture bigger things. We need to give the devs feedback so Rex can’t fracture stego and above

[pliant elm]

Making everything easier just because you're a Rex isn't the right way

[tardy zephyr]

Straight on removing fracture as a whole isn’t a good idea, it’s over tuned right now and needs to be lower

[tardy zephyr]

That’s not what I’m saying, read my points

[pliant elm]

Fracture is still just one of Rex's problems. Rex can simply grapple something that has less health, just like Omni xd

[tardy zephyr]

Alright keep repeating the same points without proving me points wrong. No arguing with this guy so ima head out

[pliant elm]

Rex can also grow very easily due to his diet full of bots and his speed that surpasses that of Carnos when Sub

When Rex was "released" in the unofficials, no one complained about his hunting ability. And why? Because no one saw the need for it when he had attacks like the crush and the headbutt

I might even agree with you if the fracture wasn't an extremely strong debuff, especially the leg fracture

This is exactly why pachy has so many limitations

[empty wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-at-wrist-watch-wrist-watch-time-passing-by-late-appointment-concerned-gif-3217407494617679420

[junior nymph]

I dunno

[empty wadi]

it was the only server that wasn't patched with the others last night and stayed off the list all night, so guess i'm not playing my prime stego tonight... again..

[signal wyvern]

They should allow rex massive jaws to fracture with smash attack as it is, Stego should also be able to fracture with its charged swing, even trike I would argue should be able to with its massive spikes. These 3 dinosaurs have no problem breaking bones, they can balance fractures with directional attacks by fracturing the leg only when it's aimed at the lower half.

Almost any prey excluding babies can effectively run away from Rex, Trike, and Stego. IF rex catches you and it's smash attack does not outright kill you, your bones should be broken in some cases with prey that is smaller than its size. It's a mechanic to punish you if the Rex pinned you. it's safe to say you should be dead without the bones breaking but that is just to allow the Rex to finish the job.

[weary iron]

Do I just have horrible luck, or is the North Jungle sanctuary bugged? I've never been able to find any mushroom patches in it whenever I go there. I just ran a fresh spawn stego to starvation doing laps through and around it, not a single mushroom to be found the entire time I was there

[ebon glade]

hi, first run on hordetest. how do i become elder after i reach 100%?

[urban flax]

100% is already an elder

[wooden agate]

you reach "FG" at 75% currently

you'll either begin aging into prime elder, or going into frail. it depends entirely on what you did while growing your animal

id recommend you start sleeping, hit tab, and entomb.

your mutations will be buffed, and they'll carry over into your next life. try for prime elder on that life instead

[ebon glade]

i see, thanks. how do i achieve prime?

[wooden agate]

the requirements are still a bit unknown and possibly buggy, so we're not entirely sure.

for the most part, just play the game normally. go to sanc as a juvie, visit several PZ/MZ's, get a perfect diet at some point, nest if you can, etc

its not a list where you have to do everything seemingly, moreso just a combination of them can lead to you achieving elder

[ebon glade]

will do, thanks

[wooden agate]

personally i think it works on a "x out of y" system

so if you get 4/7 requirements, no prime, but if you get 5/7, you get prime

[ebon glade]

i guess how do you know if you achieved prime then?

[wooden agate]

you'll get a 4th mutation

[ebon glade]

gotcha

[wooden agate]

right after hitting FG

some people also note you can "achieve" prime elder after 75% by continuing to do the requirements, but i havent looked into it much

[signal wyvern]

Anyone reach prime Deino? From what I've seen it is not possible or bugged.

[wooden agate]

ive seen one (1) screenshot of elder deino stat page, but thats all

dondi said it isnt bugged, so its likely just a bit harder/requires more than your average animal

which, fair. prime deino is like 13.5t, which is enough to grab rex/trike while swimming iirc

[stiff temple]

hows the AI situation rn with the new patch

[junior nymph]

soo much ai

[empty wadi]

only took 3 hours for NA 3 Hordetest to come back, lets see how long it lasts 👍

i'm guessing its not real since only 12 ppl but oh well

[empty wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-gif-11059538064120696238

[limber hull]

no there's legit tons lmao

idk how people aren't finding them

[empty wadi]

tell that to the hundreds of deinos starving to death

[limber hull]

im playing deino on a no AI server and doing fine so that's even funnier

[empty wadi]

then your input is literally irrelevant, got it 👍

[limber hull]

how lmao

my input only matters if im part of the echochamber?

[empty wadi]

playing on no ai server?

[limber hull]

yes

[junior nymph]

I grew a deino i was fine?

[empty wadi]

clueless troll disregarded, next

[junior nymph]

like on a ai server

[limber hull]

also the HT is full of fish on actual AI servers

amarok fixed the issue with the fish

[junior nymph]

yeah

[empty wadi]

sure, until they aren't, i guess all those reports of starving deinos were hallucinating 👍

[junior nymph]

do you mean evrima or hordetesting, I get evrima but hordetesting nah

[empty wadi]

yes, HT, go read the ai feedback lol

[limber hull]

given the fact that i crossed the swamp as a juvi rex and nearly got swallowed by 3 different elite fish, imma be real, i think the fish spawns are fine

[junior nymph]

not really much complaints about fish?

[limber hull]

those were only the ones i could SEE on the surface

[empty wadi]

if they fixed it in a recent patch that's great, but it's been a problem for many

[junior nymph]

if they give more fish it will just be a overloading amount of them

[empty wadi]

search the word "fish" or "deino/croc" in ai feedback channels and get back to me

[junior nymph]

💀

those would be over years+ like I said HT fixed it so whats the need?

[empty wadi]

servers gonna restart btw if anyone wants to avoid HT queue

[empty wadi]

you're literally trolling lol ther were many complaints about it on this recent HT

[junior nymph]

not really?

I literally go to delta and I see 5 sets of schooling fish in my general vision with 2-5 e fish

if you cant live off that its a you problem not a game problem

[empty wadi]

i read thru several complaints about it this past week, and you're telling me those are from years ago and that no one is complaining. I'm gonna go ahead and ignore you now cause you're either intentionally obtuse and trolling or just insane

[junior nymph]

more like I have enough hours in the game to notice most people just dont know how to play the game 🙂

sorry buddy

[limber hull]

i played the game and noticed fish

reading is well and good but playing the game and seeing the fish is probably more indicative of the amount of fish

[empty wadi]

"only my experiences define reality"

the complaints are there from people playing the game

[limber hull]

have you actually gone to see the amount of fish yet

[empty wadi]

i've been playing HT since it launched and grown 4 different crocs since the rex update - but yes keep telling me these are just words and not experience

[wooden agate]

i havent even touched any swimming animals in this HT and i've seen fish along rivers and lakes

it seems like they're working pretty well, just not all that common

[weary iron]

I've seen a lot of fish on HT. Its too bad 9 out of 10 of them are floating in the air

[empty wadi]

lol yes also this

[craggy sundial]

thirded.

[pallid ocean]

Why dose cannibal mutation not work it’s like I wasted my time and my chances of getting elder to get it and now it doesn’t even work

[empty wadi]

i think saltwater mutation is broken also unless they patched it recently, i think entombing breaks it maybe idk

[pallid ocean]

I have in tuned yet. I’m not even adult yet. I still have my second mutation ulockable i’ve eaten like six raxks when I was a baby then two of my size at 50 % but I’m just coping because I probably ruined my chances for no reason, but I don’t wanna keep killing people’s Rex’s for no reason

[empty wadi]

oh so you mean its not unlocked for you to pick?

[normal shuttle]

@mystic hare Beasts of Bermuda would be that way

[limber hull]

LMAO

Also I'm SHOCKED that my "anti-AI sentiment" feedback post is mostly positive

I was fully expecting some deino mains to tear me asunder

[junior nymph]

lol

[signal wyvern]

it isn't bugged, but they won't come out with a guide to do it so people have to extract their files and see for themselves. Isn't it crazy people have to decompile their code just to understand game mechanics?

also with the amount of people doing it, some trying all the steps not one person has managed so I don't think it's working properly cause you can't even get into sanct as a baby croc it damages u.

#general-feedback message

If there are ten rexes in one area, they of course will spawn lots of AI. They should not lower AI spawns cause solo rexes chilling out in the middle of nowhere will have no more spawns as most spawns will be taken by the megapack of rexes you mentioned; this is a horrible fix, stop trying to make carnivores starve all the time when apex herbis can become indefinite lawnmowers

They can't get fish spawns right and you want them to make dynamic AI spawning, let them get AI spawning somewhat polished before they making improvements to it and potentially breaking spawns.

[slim hazel]

I’m surprised some people like elder trike model

[fiery root]

Wait can you post a picture of the elder trike model possibly? I think I’ve only seen it from the back so I’m not 100%

[slim hazel]

https://share.google/Kz9NGNF7r1gqqocx2

[slim hazel]

That’s the only good photo I’ve ever seen of it

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
Sweaty PvPer mindset

[junior nymph]

woah woah

so right

[fiery root]

Oh… wth

Ima be real, I don’t like how trike looks in general

[junior nymph]

WOAH WOAH WOAH

[slim hazel]

I don’t like when they raised his head for some reason 😭😭

[fiery root]

Well, it’s not the ENTIRE model, it’s the posture and the severe overbite that ruins it for me. Both of which are animation issues

[junior nymph]

my best ss

[lucid mauve]

Who won ? : P

[signal wyvern]

#general-feedback message

IF you are gonna make APex carnivores life harder, why not make apex herbivores heck all adult herbivores starve too? They should not all be living lawnmowers, the grazing mechanic should be exclusively for subadults and juvis to allow Trikes, Stegos, and any other big herbi dino starve.

[junior nymph]

me as the dryo

[fiery root]

I actually fixed trike’s jaw before

[lucid mauve]

perfectly balanced : )

[junior nymph]

wave doesnt like that either 💀

[fiery root]

Before

After

[junior nymph]

its just that wasnt the feedback that was given.

[fiery root]

It’s a little too pushed forward looking back at it but it looks better imo

[junior nymph]

he focused on that due to the dumb amount of rexes living off AI solely

not even needing to interact with the game

[signal wyvern]

lmao im completely fine with harder life for a carnivore, but if i can literally sit at river delta as any herbi and not even have to interact with anyone and grow my Apex herbivore with no issues that's completely bs tbh

the same is with herbivores, they only interact with other players when they get bored.

[junior nymph]

yeah thats a issue.

[signal wyvern]

Get rid of grazing completely or leave it only for kids/sub adults

[fiery root]

That’s a gameplay issue, not a playable specific issue

[lucid mauve]

Well sorta, but its more bs if you can do it as 5 rexes

[junior nymph]

but thats more of a thing with broken mz's and patrols

[fiery root]

There is literally nothing to do in this game besides fight and grow.

[signal wyvern]

It kind of is cause every herbi can never starve so it is playable specific to herbis.

[signal wyvern]

ya but the herbis don't have to fight, and why should they unless they get bored?

the only incentive now to go to pz/mz is to become a prime if it is even a requirement

[fiery root]

They will fight bc that’s the only thing to do

[junior nymph]

I really hope elders do something about boredom

[fiery root]

The game needs gameplay, forcing herbies to starve isn’t gonna resolve the issue of the game being boring for herbivores

[junior nymph]

1 thing I would do though is you would spawn in on the menu screen once you entomb

so you dont have to keep playing the same animal

[fiery root]

It gives a goal, but that goal is still tied to time. There needs to be more survival elements introduced

[signal wyvern]

yes so boredom will lead them to fight, but nothing else. They don't need to migrate to different zones for food they can just sit at river delta, once they get FG they never need to eat anymore.

I want to make herbis life harder they should be able to starve.

[lucid mauve]

I mean right now its thriving, its not even about surviving. Its so much herbi food, atleast let me feel im trying to survive

[fiery root]

Again, making their life harder doesn’t make the game anymore fun lmao

At least not when it comes to food

I think malnutrition should be handled differently

[fiery root]

Yes, add other survival elements outside of just food and diet

[signal wyvern]

Everyone sees the horde of rexes dominating and ofc they will dominate when they majority of players are Rexes, the same was happening with Trike but balancing AI to balance playerbase dinosaur selection will cause lots of issues im sure you can't imagine.

[lucid mauve]

It will come, but making people move around and spreading people around cus of food will make that. And on top of that now herbis might need to fight for food

[signal wyvern]

ya life isn'y easy as an Apex predator, why should it be for a herbivore? IT should not be one-sided, and they should not all become prehistoric lawnmowers to sustain food.

[fiery root]

It really won’t imo. People already move around quite a lot. This again, doesn’t make the game anymore fun or interesting. It’s just a walking simulator until you come across another player.

Food is already difficult on herbivores as is almost purely due to the fact that the way herbivore food is handled is extremely buggy and makes no sense to me

[fiery root]

I’m not saying it should be easy, I’m just saying there should be more to the game to add difficulty outside of just food 😭

[lucid mauve]

lol they dont, not as herbi. I can stay in the same area without any problem as food with trike. Herbis stay in the same areas in big herds without problem of food

[signal wyvern]

i have literally the complete opposite experience, i grow maias so easily with no issue at river delta and im sure I can do the same with trike.

You just need to know where food spawns, once you get your growth as a herbi you just sit in a bush not have to interact with anything till you are fg and this can be easily done at river delta :p

[lucid mauve]

And if you can have big herbi groups, that means big packs to challenge. So now you start making hotspots

[fiery root]

Idk when I play herbi, which I main, I’m always on the move and I frequently see other herbivores migrating too. Finding food even as a small herbi, at least the diets I need is always a pain. Constantly trying to balance hunger and diet, and then fighting against the spawn system to get enough food, and also eating entire plants in two bites is so stupid 😭

[signal wyvern]

Literally the most boring gameplay ever cause I am not forced to interact with anyone other than straight boredom.

[fiery root]

Yes, bc there is nothing else in the game

Which is why everyone plays carni

[lucid mauve]

what, ive grown 3 trikes and i litterly walked 200 meters back and forth lol. I would be fat if i could

[fiery root]

I’m just saying, the resolution to this issue isn’t to change the food and make it more difficult on herbivores, it’s to actually add gameplay to the game

[signal wyvern]

there is your problem, when you move around food doesn't spawn right away. if you sit in a hotspot for food, it will spawn loads of food and some areas spawn crap food relative to other areas.

[fiery root]

Then that’s an issue with the migration system being dog water. But I do usually sit in a zone and nothing spawns

[lucid mauve]

That is the gameplay, it is to survive. Thats the main thing, if thats easy you have nothing

[signal wyvern]

Which is why you can completely sit in a bush by river delta and food will spawn after a feww minutes and it's plenty of food for you to grow.

[fiery root]

Yes but this “survival” game is hardly that. It’s a PvP game in a survival trenchcoat

There needs to be more survival elements to make gameplay more difficult

[urban flax]

Better to rework grazing into a part of herbivore life rather than a crutch

[signal wyvern]

YA if all the food spawn in MZ/PZ then you herbis would be crying big time lol no more free grows at river delta just sayin

[fiery root]

Okay but you just said that all the food does spawn this way?

[signal wyvern]

Spawns are limited so PZ/MZ might not spawn food if the cap is hit btw

[urban flax]

Ex : Give herbivores naturally high food drain, but grazing acts a reverse gastroliths that give a buff slowing down hunger drain

The longer you graze, the longer the buff lasts

[lucid mauve]

So you want dino sim with pvp elements

[fiery root]

No, I want a survival game, like pvpve. All we have is PvP rn

[signal wyvern]

No at the moment food is not exclusive to pz/mz, if they were to do that herbis would gather and migrate a lot more and food would be much more scarce too. Though I can see how the herbis will be against this cause it will make their life harder but force them to interact with the world.

[lucid mauve]

Then make food less viable as herbi, meaning you need to move to survive. Im not saying you as a solo gonna have problem with food, is that you can have big herds without problem

[fiery root]

Making food less viable doesn’t make the game more intense it just becomes a starving sim 😭 please listen

[signal wyvern]

i was arguing that this game was barebones PVE and some kids thought starvation/thirst is enough to consider this PVE lol

[fiery root]

Add more survival elements to the survival game and maybe the game would be more fun

[fiery root]

LOL

Yeah that’s not PvE

[signal wyvern]

They literally like this game is PVPvE, I'm like sure bud.

[lucid mauve]

Yes, if you are a big herds then you need to move to keep that. More people in a herd, means less pvp since less people can challenge it.

[fiery root]

Thirst and hunger are the most basic survival elements and that’s all this game has.

There is absolutely no PvE. Sure, there’s ai but they’re hardly a problem

[fiery root]

That ain’t survival my guy.

If I’m not pvping, I’m not really doing anything.

There’s very few survival elements in the game

Which is why the game is boring

[lucid mauve]

No ofcourse not, let me chill in one spot without fear of food or water. Much fun

[signal wyvern]

The AI attacks 50/50 Ive seen dibbies run more than attack and they are completely capable of defending themselves.

[fiery root]

You can make herbi gameplay significantly more difficult, fun, and intense by adding PvE which will naturally cause players to move more often

[lucid mauve]

Give an example

[signal wyvern]

if they can get AI to work right they can spawn AI rexes to come after them lol

[lucid mauve]

Yea if that days come, they can. But thats prob not in the near future

[signal wyvern]

my buddy was saying they should do that for mixpackers, but I told him let them get AI right first before adding carni ai lol

[icy lion]

@vagrant dune People have become prime elder deinos

[signal wyvern]

how details plz

[fiery root]

Temperature system, weather that actually affects you in a negative way outside of “hard to see”, a water quality and drainage system that causes players to naturally disperse players and cause territoriality, have malnutrition start killing you if you become too malnourished for too long, etc.

[icy lion]

[fiery root]

Survival elements, PvE things that affect the player outside of other players

[signal wyvern]

bro don't give us false hope

[icy lion]

How is it false hope? It's possible, it's happened

[signal wyvern]

you have a screenshot? i'd like to see, but more importantly how

[fiery root]

Like if you’ve played any survival game ever, there is often more to it than just hunger and thirst

There’s illness, injury, infections, temperature, weather, etc

[signal wyvern]

yes, valheim there is cold, fire, etc.. Don't starve another great example

[fiery root]

All of these elements would greatly improve the game, cause less player boredom, and give them more to do than just “T-pose in a migration zone”. They do this bc they have nothing else to do or worry about besides hunger, thirst, and other players

Add more elements and player behavior will change drastically

[lucid mauve]

these are great, you talking about bob etc

[fiery root]

BoB has great PvE as an example, just horrid PvP lol

Isle is backwards, great PvP (to an extent) but nonexistent PvE

[lucid mauve]

Yea, but what happend. They did this in the early days, but after a while what happend. It turned into a 20 man groups chilling in caves etc. Cus food and water was no problem. They always comes first.

[fiery root]

They continuously nerf their systems to make survival easier bc people cry about it

Also many of their systems are not great in the first place, like their comfort system for example. But we’re getting a bit off topic.

[lucid mauve]

The food drain is insane on bob now when you get bigger, to spread people out. Servers where dead unless you joined those groups.

Point is that, you can add pve elements. But food and water needs to be high priority to get people moving. As you said, water quality. Forcing you to leave etc

[signal wyvern]

food should be plentiful in mz, pz at the moment can be cheesed so I wouldn't have food there until they fix how pz move around cause there are xploits to get pz in one area all the time.

[fiery root]

Yes, food and water is definitely a part of it. Which is why I suggested the water quality and drought system on top. I just don’t think changing the food system by itself for the 10th time is gonna resolve any of the issues presented here

[signal wyvern]

honestly food should be really scarce elsewhere, or at least alter it by having 2 mzs to spawn lots of food and scarcity everywhere else.

[fiery root]

It’s just a band-aid fix by itself. What the game really needs imo is just way more survival elements on top. Then if food is still and issue, change it alongside these systems to get a better look at player behavior

[fiery root]

I think the MZ system should be entirely remade I’m ngl, alongside how diets work too.

But I don’t have enough braincells to try and explains my ideas bc it’s kind of a lot, and difficult to show without some sort of picture

[signal wyvern]

Well barebones we are talking about, extreme weather that causes damage unless in shelter. They can even have metoers come down every now in then and people have to hide.

[lucid mauve]

We sorta disagree here, i think ai should be nowhere found or very rare where its alot of players. You either fight or leave to find food.

[signal wyvern]

well if the food is centralized you best believe people will fight for it which is why it is kind of fine having lots of food in mz and none elsewhere.

[lucid mauve]

Well i play on no ai, and normally if its plenty of food. Everyone gets free meal, since people just run up grab and leave. Especially if they are small and growing its easy to grab and run

[fiery root]

Well idk about that extreme. But there should be world events that force players to find alternative routes to destinations. Food shouldn’t be centralized into zones but should grow in natural areas and be based on an animals preferred habitat. Then there should be occasional migration events that encourage players to go there.

For example: after a flood recedes all the minerals and debris brought in causes plant life in the previously flooded area to explode. Now plants in this specific area are highly abundant and nutritious. However, this would only benefit select species in those habitats.

So players are encouraged to go there to get good diets and nest, thus attracting carnivores to hunt those specific herbivore species as well

The current migration system is way too artificial for me, and it treats players like AI. It’s boring, and yes, makes getting food too easy. I’d rather travel in my species preferred habitat to find specific plants than just sit in an imaginary circle where all my diet plants magically spawn out of thin air

Having diets be habitat specific would also make finding specific species more reliable

Think back to Spiro, when diet plants grew in specific areas and forced players to travel to get them.

[lucid mauve]

You have good points, i do not like the idea of habitat atleast to a certain extend. Gets boring fast to stay always in one area and meeting the same species etc.

[fiery root]

Well habitats don’t have to be a single area, you can have the same habitat in different areas and can have “secondary” habitats for species.

For example: primary habitat for teno are the swampy areas and canals. They will reliably find their diets in these areas. But there can be secondary habitats as well. These areas will overlap more closely with other species and will offer the diet plants necessary to survive but not as much as the primary. This allows the ability to go almost anywhere you want, it punished you for doing so, but it doesn’t tether you to one area. It’s possible to leave, you just won’t thrive as much as you would in your primary habitat

So teno’s primary habitats could be like swamp, river delta, etc. then secondary could be highlands and something else.

Hopefully this makes some form of sense

But doing a system like this would make finding your own species and finding specific prey animals more reliable. Encourage them to stick to areas they’re built best for without forcing it. While also allowing fluid and dynamic migration patterns.

Now have this system alongside a drought system, floods, fires, etc.

This will force natural migration, dynamic interactions, and hardship still

More survival, and feels way more natural. And you could still rotate where certain plants grow based on these events and even a seasonal system too if you wanted

[signal wyvern]

they should start with some of these improvements but also weather system with seasons

[fiery root]

I 100% agree

[signal wyvern]

Some dinos should be able to handle the cold others not so much, specifically those with feathers should have good insulation

[fiery root]

Stop reworking what we have and instead build on top of it to improve the game overall. If there are still issues present with the current system then change it.

You just can’t gauge player behavior based purely on one system when there’s no other systems in place to encourage different behaviors

[fiery root]

Definitely, systems like these will encourage movement as well

[signal wyvern]

yup and they can make mountain peaks colder, even highlands cause of altitude should be a bit friskier than other areas like SP

[fiery root]

For sure

[signal wyvern]

I believe the weather system will make it much more dynamic for the playerbase and encourage migrations for sure

[vagrant dune]

Still yet to see a prime elder deino. Any proof? And how because deino can’t go into sanc can they

[signal wyvern]

you can enter it and leave maybe it works but why is it even damaging baby crocs

[fiery root]

The Isle is basically still a blank canvas. There’s tons of room to add things we just have to…. Do that instead of reworking the same system over and over again and expecting a different outcome

[signal wyvern]

swamps sanct is easy to get to usually unless you spawn east swamp or North lake

[vagrant dune]

Exactly it damages baby crocs I don’t get that. But can you just enter and leave and you’re good?

[signal wyvern]

you just need to enter the zone

[vagrant dune]

So where do I spawn to get there I don’t know the map too well

[signal wyvern]

haven't tested it my croc become frail

[signal wyvern]

swamps in the south is best option but you can alwasy swim down to get there

[vagrant dune]

So literally go in and out of sanc in 2 seconds and I’m good for prime elder?

[signal wyvern]

can't confirm but worht a shot

i raised my croc with perfect diet throughout its life but still frail, there are no mz/pz so the only requirement i was missing was sanct i guess

[vagrant dune]

Alright so I spawn in south? Can I smell sanc as a deino

[signal wyvern]

i think so, if not you can see it on the map and swim there

you will know once you entered the bees will attac ku

[vagrant dune]

Yh same with my friend she did everything and was still frail elder

[signal wyvern]

I guess sit for a second so it registers on server then leave

[signal wyvern]

let me know how it goes, i have to entomb mine

[vagrant dune]

Alright I’ll try that later

[icy lion]

Why would going to a sanctuary be required for something that can't go to sanctuaries?

[vagrant dune]

That’s what I’m saying it’s impossible for deino to reach prime elder right now I’m trying to find a way around it. Deino can’t go into sanc right now

[icy lion]

Or maybe, it isn't a requirement for elder deinos

[wooden agate]

sanc isnt a requirement, people who dont go to sanc have achieved prime elder

i personally think its more of a checklist where you have to complete "x out of y"

so say there are 7 requirements, and you need 5 to achieve prime.

deino cant go to sanc, so it has less choices. 6 out of 5. you likely have to atleast nest as deino to achieve prime elder deino, if this is how it works

in addition to the (theorized) 4-6 PZ, 2-4 MZ, perfect diet, never infertile, etc

and likely being wounded has something to do with it? im not entirely sure on that part

[signal wyvern]

it is, cause i grew with perfect diet and met other requirements as others have what else must we do if not sanct?

I watched video of one let me find it, he did everything that was possible as a deino but still frail, most leading to it's not possible or bugged. The devs can easily clarify this but thats up to them

at this point the elder system is just a quirky quest system at its current state

do task a, task b, not really focused on the life more do this then that and visit this area.

[slim hazel]

Is it jst me or is there a lack of herbi food recently even in migration zones

[signal wyvern]

they have no incentive to go mz other than prime elder and they only need to visit it

[slim hazel]

Well where’s all the food then I’ve yet to see any ox either

Pz

[fiery root]

The spawns in those zones have always been wonky

[icy lion]

#isle-discussion message

[pliant elm]

Fracture as it is currently there is no need for anything other than Pachy and Anky to have a strong debuff that disables all their weapons and abilities

Rex deals high damage and very high bleeding too, fracture is completely unnecessary for the hordtest Rex

[signal wyvern]

This is where all deinos fish is going in mud pits

[fiery root]

Bruh

[vagrant dune]

So if you’re wounded as a deino you can’t reach prime elder? So don’t fight anything for 6 + hours? That’s crazy

[vagrant dune]

My friend did everything and nested and still didn’t get prime elder deino though so I think prime elder deino is just bugged right now. Her kids in game ate her body after she entombed because she didn’t get prime elder deino

[icy lion]

#isle-discussion message

[pallid ocean]

No, I’ve killed so many different people and it feels like I’m just slaughtering other Rexis for no reason because it won’t unlock

[vagrant dune]

Interesting. She’s regrowing one right now so we’ll see

But what else could we possibly do. Nesting didn’t do it, perfect diet didn’t do it, going to pz and mz didn’t do it, can’t have muscle spasms as a deino I don’t think idk what to do but I’ll try again

[edgy flax]

visiting all water sources?

[vagrant dune]

I’ll ask my friend to do this then and we’ll see hopefully this works

[indigo gulch]

I hope not, that’d be awful

Considering the very small little ponds scattered across the map

[signal wyvern]

until someone shows proof, it's safe to say its bugged cause other dinos do everything right in the list and grow with each other and 1 out of 6 don't get prime sooo i smell something fishy or they are holding back on purpose

[edgy flax]

well its a guess

[signal wyvern]

if this was the case, no wonder no one reached prime but lets hope not cause i don't want to play swimming simulator

[pliant sail]

devs you gonna fix deino not being able to reach prime elder

[hollow vine]

Don stated yesterday that its not bugged.

[pliant sail]

ok

[pliant sail]

ill test it this weekend

[hollow vine]

just saying wat don said 🙂 but since he said it i assume its right xD

[pliant sail]

i get it

[faint folio]

What about hunting x players (on the diet list), or avoiding mix packing/over packing?

[vagrant phoenix]

@static mulch I like the idea, but these types of implementations I've seen in other survival games which can be exploited too much, I imagine it would be really buggy and hard to make work but still it's not out of the question

[static mulch]

sorry that was an generall massage i didt wanted to ping u. but good input

[vagrant dune]

This could be one of the requirements who knows🤷‍♂️ gotta think of what the requirements for deino would be but Yh maybe

[cyan dust]

I think your idea is a great starting point for some kind of system to prevent some of these mixed packs. Saw 2 Rex's, 1 Galli and a Pachy Terrorizing the population yesterday and no one could deal with them. The Galli would scout, the Pachy would dumpster the legs / keep them busy til the REX's caught up.

I was an Omni so I had the luxury of sitting on the high rocks in the new highlands area and watching it unfold

[icy lion]

@vagrant dune Regrows can be given if evidence is provided

[vagrant phoenix]

No worries, I imagined you just wanted to include my feedback so people get curious more and check lol

[vagrant dune]

On HT apparently not. Do they give you your dino back in HT?

[faint folio]

On the topic of your most recent suggestion, mutations are limited to slots to make them harder to obtain. For example, consider the cannibalism mutation. If it were available for slot 3, people would have a lot longer (on live branch, essentially no time limit) to kill and eat enough of the same species to unlock it, and it could be picked out of the blue at any point which could be used to hunt players without suspicion. By locking it to the second(?) slot, it causes a time limit on how quickly they must unlock the mutation, and also forces players to declare they have it before they reach full size (and power), so other players know what's up and can play accordingly

[static mulch]

does snyone know if they fixed the saltwater mutation on the horde test?

[mystic hare]

Yikes
But all I want is big Big chungus croc
While at it for xmas make all dinos Double the weight and somewhat slower ( mit hit heavier just be heavier) as they overate on grandmas cookies

[mortal sequoia]

Devs need to fix their unstuck command im like literally stuck between 2 rocks and used the command 6 times and it wont even work. My hydration is barely going down I need to afk sit here for hours to die

[tropic spindle]

Hello, this is ruthless and so unrealistic. I’ve been trying for 2 hours now to find food for my crocodile but it’s impossible — nothing at all, whether it’s frogs or fish! He was at 30% and now I’m dead. Thank you very much, it really makes me want to play again just to be frustrated and die for nothing!

[patent fossil]

So like... What's with the HT movement? It feels awful compared to the current build. I can't exactly explain it, but moving around on Raptor/Troodon so far feels crazy different in moving around. Anybody else notice that?

And why does ripping a corpse open take so long now

[azure fern]

Im trying to play trike on horde last three lifes founds no mushrooms or food am I just unlucky oor?

[ruby linden]

No comment for hordetesting. This was my experience on official servers for my first few herreras. Sometimes you begin in a location with no critter spawns. Sometimes you try to feed some scraps and get eaten. It's survival and not easy on you sometimes but you will figure it out with repetition.

[pliant elm]

Probably. Hordtest is practically only herbivores

[outer cargo]

I only found one shroom patch in the entire HT, though I was playing rex so it was useless

[mortal sequoia]

Fix the HT queue my god waited in a 110 queue got to 3 and it disconnected me........

[signal wyvern]

your best bet is sticking in an area where fish spawns and scavenging then move up to river delta once you are big enough

[bronze niche]

@patent gull there not upping the server counts because dondi would have to pay more money for better servers to have 200 players

[junior nymph]

hes more trying to optimize the current provider.

theres no point spending more money instead of just you know just optimizing it

[bronze niche]

maybe well see if officials actually get upped up to 200 when this happens, otherwise i dont know why i bother talking about officials considering i only play giant servers like petit

[junior nymph]

I would honestly be fine with 150-200

especially with gateway being smaller

even 120

but also no ai does help the servers just run better, we see that on no ai servers in general

[bronze niche]

not wrong

[signal wyvern]

removing ai because of bad optimization is crazy, AI shouldn't be so resource intensive to begin with. The models are rendered client side all the server is handling is movement and ai behavior which is not resource extensive with right algorithms

[junior nymph]

thats not why...

I was just saying it helps with optimization aswell

its not the actual reason

[signal wyvern]

sure, but the issue is resource intensive ai pathfinding and behavior which should take minimal resources at best and server should be capable of thousands of AI with proper implementation

[junior nymph]

that would just be bad.

AI is not needed ingame

[signal wyvern]

it is, that's not true. With no AI, babies resort to scavanging as there are no small playables for the most part for them to prey on.

AI is completely needed I don't know where you got the wrong idea from

[junior nymph]

wow really juvies have to scavenge??

instead of going to the beach and sitting there for a few hours growing?

[signal wyvern]

AI properly implemented should enhance the game not make it worse and laggy

[limber hull]

AI is inherently more resource intensive than another player slot on account of the fact that the server has to be running those calculations at all points of that AI life

the more complex and indepth the AI, the worse the performance drain

that's just the unfortunate truth of it

[signal wyvern]

don't call the isle AI complex please that's too much of a compliment

[limber hull]

i didnt do that

[signal wyvern]

well it is implied otherwise why is it releveant?

[limber hull]

because the goal is immersive, indepth AI

[signal wyvern]

the isle AI is not complex so what complex computations is server performing?

[signal wyvern]

that's the goal, we have AI that a toddler could program

There is nothing special about the AI behavior and most of it is broken to begin with. You can test it out for yourself and see the lack of depth in the Isle's AI.

Now my point is don't blame AI because the Isle has poorly implemented it; in most cases AI should make the game feel PVE and actually add life not make it feel robotic

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

nerf all herbivores
buff cerato
buff rex

bro what world you living in

[signal wyvern]

herbivores should starve so yea nerf in that way, rex fracture needs rework or removed cerato is fine

I agree with one of his points

the other two, he needs life evaluation or needs some skill cause both rex and cerato are fine

[limber hull]

nah the debuff is awful

its not only not realistic its just ridiculous

if you're surrounded, getting attack power nerfed is an absurd nerf

the speed buff does not compensate

self-defensive herbivores would not suddenly forget their weapons if surrounded, if anything, they'd attack harder and more wrecklessly, not attempt to flee

[livid ember]

Buff rex, buff cera, nerf herbies
Haha what

[mortal sequoia]

Fix the swimming bug 3 friends already got kicked for swimming with no stam

[mossy sigil]

It's famine in the game, we can't find any food, wake up devs

[junior nymph]

its really not

[pliant elm]

"Cerato and rex is fine" xd

Currently being the 2 strongest and easiest playables to play

[mossy sigil]

Im literally rn of starving

[junior nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[mossy sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/tenor-mods-moderator-tenor-employees-gif-8116002768602191095

[wooden agate]

how people reacted to diablo ai

[urban flax]

There is a schism happening in islecord

I mean another one
But this one is more interesting than the lipped/lipless rex

There's the "I love being spoonded AI so I can grow any carnivore without effort but we need more of it !"

And there's the "AI destroys the game and we must get rid of it altogether"

Just like in the real world

[limber hull]

im glad to have started something else besides the photovictus thing

[junior nymph]

lol

[iron relic]

#downwiththelips

[limber citrus]

@noble socket They’re experimenting with ai, itll prolly get changed

[noble socket]

3 months from now ?

like its literally a server side settings they can just up it for the time being untill they release a wider fix

120 people map 50+ rexes and you get AI killed off in about 60 minutes for the most part since you gotta eat about 20 pigs to be full food

[limber hull]

imma be real man

you identified the problem in that very sentence

50+ rexes

people should be starving at that point

it's not the AI anymore, it's what's eating them

the AI should not be increased to accomodate that

[noble socket]

straight denying AI problems exist is even crazier , they literally stop spawning

[limber hull]

i havent noticed anything like that at all, if anything, they spawn far more consistently now than ever

[noble socket]

fish do

[limber hull]

i find crabs, turtles, rabbits, chickens, deer, boar, etc

honestly im worried more about the lack of goats

[noble socket]

the rest doesnt

[limber hull]

havent seen a goat yet, that is my biggest concern when it comes to a lack of AI spawning

[noble socket]

i mean thank god im not the only one that sees the problem , sure the PT mains will find plenty of AI , but rexes out roaming around cant find any, people are constantly complaining in chats ... simply type AI in the search bar enjoy the read.

[limber citrus]

I’ve never had problems with ai since the ht started, and again they’re experimenting. And a lack of ai is honestly a good thing

[urban flax]

The issue isn't AI
It's rex mains

When there's overfishing irl the issue isn't fish taking too long to reproduce, it's people fishing too much

Also my suggestion got the Mr Carno woke canni seal of quality downvote, that means it's good

[limber hull]

good???

rexes don't NEED to sustain on AI, that's the idea

a pt should be sustaining on AI, it's literally over 200x smaller than a rex lmao

[iron knoll]

rex is small for half of its life though! it needs ai at first

also consider "real servers"... on unofficial, with 250 people, and evferything trying to kill you, rex life will be harsh enough...... only fair rex turns into the powerhouse that it is. crush is fine with dealing bonebreak

stego and trikes players complainign about rex being too powerful, when its not. simply, stego and trike players need to learn how to play the game and fight XD

#general-feedback message honestly.... u made a mistake, and it should be punished. just like one rex mistake will get him killed too (if he gets knocked and thrashed). simply rex changes the playstyle of trike and stegos: before you we allowed to make mistakes, becasue nothing could really take u down..... now there is something taht can, so u have to be perfect, just like any other playable had to be to take a trike or stego down.

also, he did 2 crush attacks, when i tested, if u get hit and get to wounded you are 100% leg broken

[limber hull]

the fracture damage is INSANE mind you, it really should not be that high, especially on creatures that rival its weight

juvi rexes are nigh unapproachable as another juvi because for some reason even if you're double its weight it can still instafracture you

imagine how boring fights will be with giga v rex or spino v rex if the fight is instantly over because rex had a fracture

hell, rex v rex fights are less "skilled challenges" and more "who hits first because fracture instawins the fight"

[iron knoll]

same size or bigger, u dont insta bonebreak,

i fractured a fg carno as a 800kg rex, took me 4 crushes

and mind u..... he missed the charges on me! hit one, i was yellow! so if he didnt miss he could have easily killed me

a fg trike vs fg rex only get fractured after wounded, same weight

trike already has the advantage compared to rex... and its easier to grow.

heck, even stegos can fight rexes, unless its 7+ tons!

and prime stego only has to avoid prime rex (in 1vs1 scenario, beacuse stegos can easily 2vs1 rex)

[wooden agate]

i got fractured by a rex i saw spawn infront of me as a 180kg cerato lol

mind you, rex spawns at 50kg

[iron knoll]

recently? or was this when the dmg of the baby rex was high?

[wooden agate]

this was last night

[iron knoll]

cause yesterday a baby rex did not bonebreak my 135kg dilo in one crush

i guess its inconsistent

[limber hull]

that makes it worse lmao

[iron knoll]

but if u keep getting hit by the crush attack, 2/3/4 times, u should eventually get bone broken imo!

with weight limits ofc, not a 50kg rex breaking a 3 ton trike after 10 bites XD

[limber hull]

honestly? i dont think you should fracture unless you pin

that'd be more fair imho

[iron knoll]

life aint fair

im glad rex is this strong, this makes stego and trike more fun to play also! because u actually need to learn and play smart

not just hit a lucky hit cause the other made a mistake, or desync

[limber hull]

life ain't fair, sure

but video games should be, because that's how game balance work

[iron knoll]

u can run from rex as stego, and u can fight rex as trike... it is balanced

[limber hull]

stego... not really, no

[iron knoll]

u even outstam rex XD

[limber hull]

murdersprint easily catches it

[iron knoll]

and if stego stuns the rex its an easy dub

[limber hull]

and i still want giga and rex to be a fun matchup not a "rex wins cuz instafracture"

[iron knoll]

same size, both stego and trike have the advantace

tbh, the most broken attack in the game is not even crush.... its teh trike trhash

[limber hull]

nahhh, thrash ain't that broken compartively

you can only use thrash in a combo, it has less utility

[iron knoll]

really? XD bro, u one shot stegos, and u basically a rex is almost dead

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message just remove the ai 🫡

[iron knoll]

easiest combo to hit, thanks to spar mode

[iron knoll]

a juvie trike hit my prime cera with 2 knocks attack, and one thrash and i died! i had body buff too! how is that balanced

was half my size

with this being said, i dont mind apexes dealing OP dmg! its what makes em fun to fight them... u cant make mistakes! but jsut because now we a carni apex with a strong attack (that deals less dmg than powerswing and trhash btw), we want to nerf it

herbis apex jsut gotta learn some pvp now... pvp = survival

im friend with mr gray, and he fought multiple rexes, even more than one at the same time as trike.... NEVER got broken, never left them the chance

[limber hull]

mr gray

yea that adds up lol

[limber hull]

its not about the damage, fracture is honestly far stronger than basic damage types

it effectively kills you before the fight even starts

im fine with it fracturing on pin, that'd actually make it feel like it fits into the kit

[iron knoll]

stego can still powerswings.... and trike has the skillset to not allow a rex behind to break it

[limber hull]

but it just kinda slapping into you and somehow fracturing you is just silly

[iron knoll]

i mean the crush is a powerful bite, that with weight pins u down as well becoming a mauling... but the concept is a stron lunging bite

[limber hull]

reducing your preys stamina, pinning and fracturing it feels like an actually understandable and fair way to execute even large prey

[iron knoll]

tbh, rex and trike should not pin or knock eachother

would be better... imo

but trike dosnt get bone broken after one crush, especially not from the head

[limber hull]

yea because trike is immune to head fractures lol

[iron knoll]

i dont think rex can deal head fracture anyways... just body and leg

i mean, a trike leg or body wont be broken from a crush attack from the front

[stark hawk]

Why does the isles lighting and water look better in a trailer from 5 years ago than it does now https://youtu.be/EXwRqaRG2Zo?si=yJecwQbgPTEMTJ5M

[limber hull]

because it's a pre-rendered cinematic and not in-game footage lmao

thats like asking why overwatch looks better in the cinematic trailer than the actual game

[stark hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/man-trying-to-kil-himself-joke-fake-suicide-laughing-suicide-fake-jumping-gif-150330258641611340

I mean... the water could look that good by just adding better effects to it

[limber hull]

if only it were that simple 😔

[latent olive]

close enough

go away, legacy bone break

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message nah just remove ai 🙂

the great divide in the community

[deep heart]

Bro, I survived the hordtests next to a pack of AI Diablo, and it was the best time I've had in a hordtest. Just because you don't like AI doesn't mean you should remove them. Legacy had AI, and everyone enjoyed playing it.

[junior nymph]

hardtests?

[deep heart]

Don't be picky about the translator's words.

[limber hull]

3000 kilos of free food would probably make any carnivore enjoyable, ay

[junior nymph]

whoops

so right

[deep heart]

well-fed players are more likely to role-play)

[bronze niche]

for rex and deino sure, cera is not getting anywhere near one unless its in a pack and carno is just not touching it at all

but im not countering your main argument just saying thats its definitely not "any carnivore"

[junior nymph]

no

well fed players are most likely to mega-pack

[wintry cipher]

^

[junior nymph]

just keep small ai like frogs and such and fish

[deep heart]

Rules are being formed in a mega package, but before that it was just chaos. Do you think it's okay when a dinosaur the size of a bus chases after herbivorous/carnivorous cubs the size of a puppy? In my opinion, the pack interaction of predators should not be aimed only at finding food, as is happening in the game now. Up to an adult, you look for a team, and when your team grows up, you all start to suffer from hunger, attacking those who are not even fit for you (both too big and too small)

[fading helm]

I think Ai is great idea, but making them like legacy will never solve megapacks btw, Megapacks is had to solve imo, I think keeping AI though is better as a net positive because if everyone can grow it allows for more action/player interactions with one another which make the game super fun i think. But it wouldn't solve the megapack issues

[junior nymph]

huh?

AI directly makes megapacking worse

[deep heart]

Alr

[junior nymph]

and theres no rules that are going to be placed on megapacking

[deep heart]

This won't fix the Ceras mega packs, even if you disable AI

[junior nymph]

it kinda would

we see it in no ai servers.

[fading helm]

How would you solve megapacking though if no AI? they can just self feed one another regardless with or without Ai because there are probably so many of them

[junior nymph]

if they self feed that means each of them dies, which inturn makes the megapack have less players. The only issue is clans.

[deep heart]

The developers have previously mentioned that they plan to "punish" such mix groups in some way.

[junior nymph]

those are mixpackers not megapackers

2 different issues

2 different solutions

[deep heart]

The problem of mixpackers is often caused by the fact that predators can't feed themselves and call on friends to help them by killing herbivores on herbivores. And megapacks are an unsolvable problem. The only solution is to starve everyone, but then there won't be any megapacks or even groups.

I know what a mixpack is.

[junior nymph]

no you dont

[deep heart]

Yes i yes

[junior nymph]

yes you yes!

[deep heart]

bro, these are two sides of the same coin, or hunger, or a lot of dinosaurs (players will always find a way)

[keen hound]

yes!

[junior nymph]

it will be greatly reduced

[deep heart]

No one keeps statistics, so you'll be the first.)

[junior nymph]

the devs keep statistics

we see it ingame you dont need to keep statistics

its just fact.

[deep heart]

statistics on megapacks 0-o? Okay...

[signal wyvern]

It will no stop mixpacking, cause if a group wants to mix pack they will.

Making no AI spawn hurts regular packs more than these mega packs and mix packs cause guess what killing other dinos as those two is no problem.

The only real solution to mix pack and mega pack is active moderation and they won’t do that when they can’t even actively moderate cheats.

[junior nymph]

not really

it wont full stop it as I said but it definitely lowers it

[signal wyvern]

Removing AI will hurt all packs not just mix packs, mix packs already dominate and lowering food doesn’t change that they will still find a way.

Your fix is 1 step forward 20 back

Once again, people suggesting ai removal when grass grazing is still in lmao

Yes let carnivores starve but herbivores is nope, we can’t have that happen can we

[junior nymph]

like we have said many times remove that too its not healthy either

[signal wyvern]

They won’t, why else did they introduce trike before any counter cause they cater to herbis they seem to be the louder voice or at least get more ears from the devs

[junior nymph]

they cater to herbis???

and the reason they added trike is because people wanted it to be released lmao

[signal wyvern]

It’s not a mystery ask most players

[junior nymph]

most players dont know what they are talking about lmao

[signal wyvern]

Sure but they could’ve added allo or Rex with it not rush it in lol

[junior nymph]

rex maybe allo def not

[signal wyvern]

No that’s a crude understatement

Most players need just a couple hours of gameplay, understand the differences in herbis and carnis gameplay and they usually all come to the same conclusion which is balance is favored towards herbis.

It’s not new layers that say this

[signal wyvern]

Allo would have been something at least

[junior nymph]

we would have a unfinished allo lol

no calls, no sounds, placeholder carno stats.

[signal wyvern]

They would release both finished products together in their case they had Rex done sooner so that should’ve just been done together

[junior nymph]

so lemme get this straight

you would have wanted the HT to still be going on from now?

cause thats what you are pretty much asking for

[signal wyvern]

Ya pretty much trike should only be in HT unless there is a counter

[junior nymph]

which means we would have had a ht from February to september and longer

[signal wyvern]

And right now there is none

[junior nymph]

smartest isle player

you know how mad that would make the community

they were already rabid waiting for trike in like july imagine if it was still happening now

[signal wyvern]

The community is always mad about something

[potent flower]

Having no ai spawn also hurts solo players who haven't found a pack to hunt with yet

[lucid mauve]

So deino should be delayed to then, for some years

[signal wyvern]

Let them wait, unless they want more broken crap

[signal wyvern]

Why does the isle community have to believe that polished models take years?

Really the devs have convinced you this is normal development timeline?

Maybe if they stopped worrying about adding humans and they can focus more resources on polished dinosaurs and maybe even get them out on reasonable timeline

[lucid mauve]

In this game yes, do you expect that we get 5 playables before end of year ?

[potent flower]

On another note: #general-feedback message
I agree with this suggestion, bc it also helps if you're looking to get prime elder on a carni if you're very likely to find food when you get to each migration/patrol zone (both of the AI and player persuasion). Feels more organic than just zipping in and out to meet a zones visited quota

[signal wyvern]

If the devs allows for mods, the community seems a lot more passionate I bet you they could pump out high fidelity models with good animations in no time.

Why? Cause it’s all on Unreal and built with their tools, animations and models. There are plenty of people here who are familiar with unreal.

If you know how to use blender, how to use unreals skeleton rigging. The sounds you could sample somehow but everything else is easily prebuilt and ready to go with adjustments

[lucid mauve]

Yea if we had mods, but we dont lol

Hope they never do, after seeing all the crazy stuff coming from pot mods

[signal wyvern]

It’s just to show you that this dev timeline we got is horrid, they should allow mods but they will make the isle community realize how much this game can be improved and lacking the delivery has been

[signal wyvern]

I’d rather we do so modders can fix this game cause like other games out there sometimes the devs never end up fixing bugs.

Communities come out with unofficial patches for the same reason

[lucid mauve]

They add the normal dinos, then it turns into a freak show lol

[signal wyvern]

It’s not like every server will be modded out, most people will want vanilla+ experience which means just improved vanilla gameplay no bugs just enhanced.

Just think about it, look at Dayz there are plenty of vanilla servers with just some QOL additions that’s all.

[lucid mauve]

I agree with progress tho, its not fast. But i still want quality

[signal wyvern]

They aren’t delivering at a pace that’s considered reasonable so let the community who is already passionate try to fix your game.

They won’t cause it will make them look bad as how can solo modders or team of modders fix your game for u?

We aren’t getting fast progress, nor quality, my question Is then why does it take so long.

If it was high quality work, we would see no bugs. I can understand bugs on horde test ofc that’s what’s it for(not server crashing every 2 mins bug tho).

[opaque inlet]

@vital badge
If we make herbivores get a fear debuff mechanic where it get speed and stamina, but reduced attack power, are we going to turn all herbivores into the kind that run away? Trike's not built for that, in nature some herbivores stand their ground and if you look at the way a triceratops fossil is built - enormous front-facing weaponry (horns) and enormous protective front-facing neck frill - it seems very apparent that triceratops is one of the ones that holds it ground.

The only way I see this working is if we buff herbi speeds enough that they can truly outrun predators and, with carno being as fast as he is that would be VERY fast and a bit unrealistic. But if we DON'T buff, say, teno's, speed enough for it to outrun a carno, then it absolutely needs it's attack power to defend itself.

It's either the herbivore is fast enough to run, or it's not, and if it's not, then it needs some level of attack power.

Though honestly we have sooo many fast carnivores. I feel like the only herbivores that are 'allowed to run' (aka have the speed to even consider running an option) are galli and Maia and maia gets out-stammed and then tracked by ceras so the running is only temporary as they will eventually catch up with you having 0 stamina and therein being at a huge combat disadvantage, making it more ideal to fight the cera while you can still do running shoves to knock them down (which you can't do once you're out of stamina, that and your stomps.). More or less, Maia's lack of stamina compared to cera means it actually has to FIGHT them instead of run which feels honestly kinda dumb

So like... In truth since Maia still has to fight raptors (faster), carnos (faster), and ceras (more stamina + tracking) I don't really count it as a run-away herbi which is annoying because it seems like it SHOULD be.

OK so yeah, galli feels like the only one.

What would be nice is if more diversity of run-away herbi species existed. However, we would need to understand they would also be rarely played, because people wanna fight in this game. Hypsi is a fantastic run-away herbivore, it doesn't have the speed but it need only run until it reaches a tree, unless it's pursued by a herra. In which case, with both creatures being so small yet turning so fast, and blinding spit, and superior stamina and close to similar speeds, hypsi is not dead-on-sight to herra unless herra gets the ambush. Long story short, I feel Hypsi's life is fairly balanced. Skill is able to help you survive situations you might not have otherwise and it has the tools it needs to give itself, not certain victory, but a 'fair chance.'

However because hypsi doesn't fight hypsi is rarely played.

I am confident the population of trike is far greater than hypsi at a given moment

But yeah I'd like it if there were more herbis who ran, or...

Like, right now, I like that Teno fights raptors but runs from rexes.

I'd like to see some more herbi who at least run sometimes and fight others. But like, herbis are consistently made slower or trackable via bad stamina...

[wintry cipher]

Look up whenever kissen says "herbivore" and youll have your answer to this real fast.

The reason there are no broad debuffs is because mixpackers will absolutely abuse it. That is why you only see the red marker when sniffing.

When suggesting something, think of how it would feel to play with that effect. Is it fun and interactive? No? Then no. Do not add it.

The presence of rex will make players more flighty out of paranoia of being ambushed while injured. The changes to cerato not being so easilly staggered when charge biting has also made me decide its simply not worth the lost hunger, water, and nutrients to bother with them, so i leave when they get too close. (Which is imo the intended result)

You do not need a broad, abusable, catch all mechanic. Simply tweak the dinosaurs to do their job more effectively or nerf the ones acting out across the board.

[quartz summit]

@compact timber bro just gave stream snipers a new idea😭

[compact timber]

a lot of people in my streams already use that

[swift raft]

In what way was Pachy buffed? not been on in a while

[haughty drift]

I'm in NA2 (horde) and I got a fatal error while swimming!! And now, walking normally on land without running, I lose stamina, as if I were swimming on land. I've tried everything and I can't get my stamina back to normal. Please, I need help!!! <@&505047238674874368>

[desert arch]

Its 700kgs now

[swift raft]

thnx

[cinder wagon]

for some reason there's a bug with rex where even with full stamina, walking is draining your stamina.

[raw hedge]

I heard someone else say that happened after they swam for a period of time.
Does it continue if you rest? sprint or swim again?

[cinder wagon]

this bug happened to my friend an even after logging out it continued to drain stamina

[raw hedge]

Elder per chance?

or wounded?

[cinder wagon]

idk, but the bug happened with him as a prime elder

[raw hedge]

I wonder If they do that to get more people to entomb etc.
Has he replicated?