general-feedback-discussion

[icy fox]

The mix is fine. The balancing needs tweaking and, IMO, trike should have been held for release until rex was ready. It would make a lot more sense that if they are adding an apex to also add a counter at the time. Right now, a vast majority of what I see on official servers are trike gangs and a cera gang ever once in a while.

[inland vigil]

I am not going to fall for the braindead ragebait but just going to throw my 2 cents in that some people should really look at a food web !! :) stay in school

(+ dryo suffers from small tiers = weak = no pvp = boring, not herbivore = boring)

Add more pve to the isle to make non-pvp focused animals fun to play . Insane concept

[wise rune]

This more than anything

[hidden pilot]

#general-feedback message @urban flax

[junior nymph]

@pastel girder They arent radio silent lol

kissen and dondi and punch speak in isle discussion on the regular

dondi even talked about the upcoming jungle rework and how all the market bought assets are being deleted for made assets

[pastel girder]

I meant more along the line about ai fish and deino being unplayable I mean people have been screaming about those no?

[junior nymph]

maybe they like AI fish being rare I dunno they also dont like when deino can live off ai

but like why not say radio silent with fish why just say radio silent in general

[gritty heart]

#general-feedback message

definitely, like they don’t need to be gaudy, just a little bit of color

[pastel girder]

Just because they like it doesn’t mean their community does the people hold the power of the game

[junior nymph]

I mean if we got community everything the game would suck

[pastel girder]

If they wanted to make deino less reliant on ai then I feel they should of not added safe drinking holes

[pastel girder]

That’s not what I mean there’s always a general audience who knows what they are saying and the devs look at when they say something

[junior nymph]

look. The map was built for future semi aquatics in mind which means yes deino will have a harder time but what I would do is just increase the food drain by 20% so then people can wait for longer and they wont just starve

[pastel girder]

Ah yes my fav gameplay mechanic waiting

[junior nymph]

yeah they do indeed. Alot of the stuff ingame rn is community feedback (for good or for bad) its just they listen to people who know what they are talking about

[junior nymph]

that is deino believe it or not

you are a ambush predator you are meant to just wait for a ambush

if you wouldnt like that you would prob prefer stuff like austro and bary when they release soon enough

I would also prefer austro and bary

[pastel girder]

Yes true but the answer to that is not to make them wait even longer

[junior nymph]

if people are starving cause lack of kills cause no time then it is increasing food from fish will lead to what happened before with deinos just megapacking due to fish being able to sustain them

[tawny sleet]

<@&933486433342222376> Hello?

We're just allowing people to use that word as an insult now? @icy lion

[tawny sleet]

herbi is objectively less played than carnivore, and herbi is also objectively less engaging

[inland vigil]

Look up what a subjective opinion is! Hope this helps :)

[limpid bear]

😭

[limpid bear]

So based.

[inland vigil]

Lmao
Like I'm even on the side of carnis being more fun but it's NOT an objective fact 💀 it's 100% subjective opinion as to which play style you enjoy more. 0/10 ragebait

[limpid bear]

i love playing herbi exploring the map and being peaceful i dont play the game for a pvp shoot up

so to speak

Dryo , Gali and beipi are perfect for that and dryo was most certainly not a waste of resources

[inland vigil]

meanwhile i want to kill eveyrthing that breathes

[limpid bear]

i swear if ur a cera player

[inland vigil]

shocker... different people like different things

actually i hate cera but i am good at it

i hate it for what it is but its so fun to play so i cant fault people for flocking to an op dinosaur

[limpid bear]

i like occasionaly going into a kill everything mode lol

troo is my fav playable carni currently

[limpid bear]

i dont blame them but theres no reason to be so damn toxic whilst playing it aswell 😭

[inland vigil]

i happen to really like teno and dibble because they also do super well in mass murder 😭

true that

[limpid bear]

my fav herbi playables : maia and teno

[inland vigil]

i think herbis are badass but like again its subjective... i just dont get how the feedback is helpful at all
killing off all herbi development is very very silly

[limpid bear]

i cant wait for kentro

plus para

WE REQUIRE PARA

[supple pine]

I’m not sure how to actually articulate this, but… dinosaurs don’t actually wear watched. I drew that as a joke, but making the thermals so time variable, in a game with no in-game clock other than the actual Sun is an odd choice… like, not terrible, just questionable.

I just meant a personal defeat that I couldn’t find them, a personal defeat that I’m gonna blame the devs for. I think they don’t like Ptera for some reason, hence they turned it off every time they played as Rex so far. I really hope they either give it back it’s Stam or actually double its regen speed this time, like the suggestion I clipped that from.

[tall hearth]

They dont wear watches ofc, but animals have a solid sense of pattern recognition.

They can tell "time" based on the actions they and those around them do during their times of activity. Youre viewing animals as stupid creatures that just meander about but that's entire opposite of what they're like.

[supple pine]

My main beef with the changes is that originally Ptera’s complexity was all in its normal movement and momentum. But they stripped all that out without adding enough thermals to actually replace it. If they doubled its regen, it’d at least be a much more active playable than before tho.

Like, they’re onto something, it’s just not very good in its current state. Needs soooomething to balance what is now a very wait heavy, low stamina animal that can’t kill anything.

[tall hearth]

And they dont hate ptera. If they did, they wouldn't have touched it at all. But they did. Its got its partial rework, still missing a couple things. That's a lot of time effort and resources into a bird.

Well, the animators hate working on it. Kissens said that a few times

It is missing its better ground movement, so you're not wrong that something isnt right. Its also missing its canopy fishing, which helps its need to constantly be moving. When canopy fishing you'll likely be on the ground a bit longer and will passively regen stam while doing so.

And it seems with the new fishing you'll be able to fish up a differing variety of ai, so hopefully you won't need to try as hard to find what you need on the map like you do now

[supple pine]

Well, they touched it to nerf every stat, BUT you’re right, they are cooking SOMETHING. I really hope they know better than we do, and the nerds just feel bad cause they’re unfinished.

On a slightly separate note, I need to rewire my brain to bite first fly after, cause Ptera can’t get off the ground to escape fast anymore without its vertical leap, but Dryo has taught me that turning on your attacker and hunting them can throw them off well enough to either create an opening for escape, or just just straight up kill them.

[supple pine]

Yeah, but I don’t. I am a TERRIBLE judge of passing time, like comically bad.

[supple pine]

I’m not take issue with realism, that’s just a blind spot for players, and especially me.

[wooden agate]

there is an ingame clock

its right under your coordinates

[supple pine]

Genuinely never saw it 😅

[wooden agate]

been around since legacy

#general-feedback message

@ebon elbow there is infact a way to turn it down

the "UI volume" slider is right there

😭😭😭

[barren jewel]

Is thegame still broke since last pacth?

[desert arch]

Depends what you define as broken

[barren jewel]

grass looking like dookie, ai being invisble, 0 fish spawns, ect

[woven bane]

the grass is intended

[desert arch]

Land ai is good now, idk about fish I dont play deino

But today I saw a more than 2 dozen ai in 2 hours as a troodon

Deer, boar, rabbits, tacos, chickens, goats etc

And yeah I doubt theyre changing the grass again 💀

[sudden hinge]

@fallow seal they should be relative to each other nothing more or less

@cobalt lark spiro is far less finished then gateway and a lot less pretty id rather them still work on spiro but gateway is better

[fallow seal]

no because in real life the carno was stronger than the cerato

[sudden hinge]

This is real life tho

[cobalt lark]

sorry im kind of slow did u say that theyre working on a rework for spiro??

[sudden hinge]

Ones a small game hunter another is a corpse bully

[tall hearth]

Real life balance matter little in regards to the in game balance the devs want

[sudden hinge]

I believe they may be but they haven’t talked about it in awhile

[pliant elm]

Don't take their real-life form for comparison. In-game Cerato is much stronger than it was, and Carno is much weaker

Unfortunately

[cobalt lark]

but they have said something about it correct?

[tall hearth]

They seemed to have thought about it for a bit, but it seems they decided its better left dead, at least officially. Modding teams may bring it back however.

[cobalt lark]

got it thank you for your answer

[tall hearth]

Wait it wasn't yesterday, lemme get the correct date

[sudden hinge]

Awhile ago yes

[tall hearth]

BAM

[cobalt lark]

yoo that wasnt that long ago

[lunar mirage]

the combination of no water ai and the new drinking spots has ruined the game for deino mains.... i was at highland in a max pop server and nobody came and i was forced to log due to food issues, not a single fish, and only one drinker. a fg trike... 3 weeks of this is just unacceptable.. do the devs know they are allowed to do hotfixs/ small updates for bugs??? the deinosuchas is what made me want to play the isle. and sadly i have been forced to starve. when do we get a fix ?

[tall hearth]

I would recommend playing something else in the meantime while you wait for ai fixes and map updates. I believe they mentioned something regarding still standing water becoming stagnant and players wouldn't wanna drink it, so deino life may be tough until then.

[cobalt lark]

does any1 mind pasting this into general feedback? i think before rexs come out you guys should make it that only certain amount of people can play it as people wont bother using other dinos when rexs come out. also i think if we make it that when people die there would be a cooldown until when they could play rex again as that would give others the chance to experience the rex.

[lunar mirage]

no this idea is bad

[cobalt lark]

ah you think so?

i mean everyone is going to be on rex whenever it comes out

so that wont make a good use of other dinos

[lunar mirage]

this will just create server hopping until you can play rex

[cobalt lark]

hopefully someone does have a better idea then this but yeah just sticking my opinion out

[cobalt lark]

That is true

[tidal night]

(Part 2)

This is a follow-up to This: #general-feedback message post as I ran out of space to type, it is VERY important to the my suggestion entirely

"But random Isle player, how would ANYONE find these locations without consulting and studying the map/third-party map sites?"

This is the part I'm excited to pitch. You see those diet symbols in your character menu? If you don't know, these were added to customize your diet buffs when you could have more than 1 of each in the three slots and actually had unique buffs from them. It's entirely useless now. Let's change that! Make it so when you click on one of the diet symbols, a foggy, translucent, but noticeable symbol will appear on your compass, the size of which dictating how far or close the area is from you, not so different from how MZs and PZs look, but without the use of meters and allowing the flexibility of having multiple of one on your compass to dictate the closest area, but translucent so as not to impede other symbols.

You can also apply the same for carnivores to know exactly where the prime spot to find prey of a specific diet would be, but would ultimately effect them less given that, they can eat organs. This is my idea for a replacement for MZs and PZs

[ornate pewter]

I think the intention of the migration zones is to make herbivore players move like a herd and migrate to food sources. Like elephants and water buffalo.

I suspect any system replacing it should aspire to achieve this same concept.

[tidal night]

Yeah, that's a pretty good point

[fierce spruce]

For the people saying PT is broke it isnt, Devs just want you to use them in a certain way and to have dinos frequent certain places.

No mutation selected and im able to grow my PT effortlessly.

[ebon elbow]

@cobalt lark Spiro was a superior map in many ways. I agree. At least would be cool to have some servers host Spiro. Golden age of deino. RIP

[limber hull]

“In many ways”

Literally which ways lmao, because technically and visually it was worse, it had far less biome variety and had extremely poor level design

It was so technically poor that the release of Gateway halved the games download times, despite Spiro being a far less in-depth map

[edgy flax]

praise gateway

[limber hull]

It was easier for deino to megapack, sure, but that isn’t really a good thing lol

[ebon elbow]

I wasn’t replying to you Chief. But since you asked like a nice boy: it was simple but elegant. Smaller sure, but the entire map was connected by water ways— forcing you to cross rivers in order to reach different areas. This made deino gameplay actually cool and added a real element of danger for land dino play. The lag, imo, was a matter more related to the nature of AI back then rather than the map itself. Back then AI was totally autonomous and would spawn whether players were in the area or not. All those doodads AI’ing around is what caused the lag. (If you recall gateway had the exact same issue until they reworked AI to only appear when enough players were in the immediate area. Spiro was less pretty when it came to plants ok I agree. But it had better rocks to hide on for jumping playables. But while I’m on that subject of pretty plant life— it’s a bit frustrating to see all this work done adding vines and flowers and whatnot and meanwhile no one touches the mechanics that players really care about (things like balance/speed/animations, you know real gameplay stuff)

Gateway is just an overly huge playpen for land dinos with wayyyy too many safe places to drink. It segregates deino to a small area with really no interaction with dinos. The places where ambush hunting is even a possibility all have huge shallow areas where it’s impossible to surprise anyone.

[loud sierra]

You spent a good ten minutes typing a reply that boils down to: "yeah, but I miss megapacking as deino"

[limber hull]

The lag was absolutely related to the map itself

It was built on extremely poor tools that effectively made it functionally incompatible with UE5 and extremely draining on resources. The waterways were also extremely poorly designed with zero deviation or any form of futureproofing for any animal that wasn't deino, given that sucho/cherry/spino/austro/bary all exist near water sources that aren't just deep river.

Also, "it’s a bit frustrating to see all this work done adding vines and flowers and whatnot and meanwhile no one touches the mechanics that players really care about (things like balance/speed/animations, you know real gameplay stuff)". The guy who does the balancing is not the same guy who makes the flowers, that's two very different departments.

Deino SHOULD be tough, it's an apex-level ambush creature, on Spiro, half the population could be playing deino at any given time and they'd still be fine lol, which really should never be the case

[ebon elbow]

Vermin. I forgot. ✌️

[limber hull]

what lol

[wooden agate]

same guy who didnt know there was a UI volume slider, i wouldnt pay it (the comment) much mind

[grand ruin]

Half the population on spiro playing deino is fine because they can constantly eat each other without even going up to snag land meat

[limber hull]

that's literally why its a bad thing

they have absolutely no reason to interact with the land roster

and if they do, they can quite literally move in armies and devour all in their way

here is a pic i took. that is 13+ deinosuchus, adults, travelling onto land unhindered by literally anything

that should not be something that's possible

the deinos you cant see are underwater. i counted them

[zenith pagoda]

Gateway right now literally has no other biomes except swamps, which Spiro had too. The only "new biome" was Highlands, which feels the same as any other part of the game rn. Sure it used to look like a new biome but rn it's dookie.

[limber hull]

it has plains, jungles, highlands, coasts, a volcano, riverdelta, savannah, the waterfall biome (idk what to call it but its sick), and very soon redwoods inside the dome, each of which has unique environmental differences

idk what you mean by "no other biomes" lol

[zenith pagoda]

Okay, lot of the things u mentioned aren't rly any different from the rest of the map, the "Savannah" is literally flat terrain with a lot of bushes in them, Spiro literally had a lot of the things u mentioned, delta, coasts, jungles, plains. At least what i though u meant with "biome variety" is like old highlands, redwoods, the beach, stuff like that yk.

[limber hull]

i think dismissing savannah simply because its simple disregards that it does provide a very unique gameplay style to specifically it

certain creatures absolutely thrive there, like carno, whereas other creatures, like herrera/beipi/deino/ptera aren't really favoured

[zenith pagoda]

How does Carno thrive in the Savannah? Carno thrives in open plains, areas where it can use its speed to its advantage. Allo, Rex on the other hand, they would definitely thrive in Savannahs because they can use the bushes to ambush prey

[limber hull]

there's literally nothing to slow a carno down in savannah, and there's tons of open space

no hills, no trees, no deep water

it can just blitz through

plus the bushes are loud as hell, allowing carno to locate prey while avoiding them to basically never get ambushed

[zenith pagoda]

wbu the amount of bushes? It can easily loose its prey there, literally the way to survive carno is to hide from it. Allo and rex only need a click to pin down or slow down it's prey, never see carnos there. Plus, carnos using their speed instantly makes them noisy as hell with the amount of bushes, that doesn't help them in any way.

[limber hull]

imma be real ive played savannah carno and it is quite literally the best biome for it on the game

since it doesn't need ambush as an endurance sprinter, and it can just listen to track where its prey is going (and ram just basically clears bushes for you), it dominates that environment

since the bushes are in patches, the prey HAS to go back into the open to continue fleeing

[zenith pagoda]

I mean, those bushes are big as hell, you never really know what's hiding in them unless you hear footsteps. What if you ram a Dibble by accident? Ur getting cooked. Unless you're actively hunting small prey, I don't see how Carno is favored in the Savannah. Plains are way more suitable for Carno, it can easily see prey from a far, run freely, and since Carno is pretty weak compared to other carnivores, not being able to get ambushed is pretty nice for them, you can see anything creeping up on you there.

[limber hull]

imma be real i dont think carno is weak compared to other carnivores, nor do i think plains are that much better for them

most plains tend to be hilly and have large bodies of water running through them. Savannah is actually EXTREMELY easy to spot prey in simply due to how vastly flat it is. Not to mention, drinking is nearly entirely safe, and if you end up ramming a dibble, why did you run headfirst into a bush without knowing there was a whole-ass dibble in there

[zenith pagoda]

wdym extremely easy to spot prey? Isn't savannah packed with vegetation, that's kinda it's thing, dondi said it, Savannah is made for ambushers like rex, also. Carno is hella weak rn, cerato dunks on them, tenos easily bleeds them out, and u got these damn omni players that 1 v 1 u. And in the future, oh boy, u got allo, alberto, acro, Carno will be obligated to go to them plains. Now i do feel that plains should be reworked, but that's just a matter of time.

[limber hull]

i hard disagree on carno being "hella weak". Being the fastest carnivore in the game is nothing to scoff at, and its stats across the board are quite good. High speed, good stamina, decent damage and health

I actually don't at all believe its made for rex. Savannah bushes are quite small, favouring smaller creatures, and there's too much swaths of open space for rex to be spotted in. Allo, maybe, but rex, I reckon will prefer jungles far more

[zenith pagoda]

Them Bushes are big as hell wym, but ur right in that one, rex would in fact be better in jungles, the thing is, no one goes in them

[zenith pagoda]

The thing with carno is that it gets hardly countered by a ton of dinosaurs in the island, tenos, they just bleed u out with kick attack, now u cant ram ceras with their infinite charge attack, pretty sure u only need one omni doing bleed pounce to bleed out carno, dilos are simply op as hell, just spam their clones and boom, ur dead. Horrendous nv, sure it can easily kill small things like dryos or beipis but finding one is the hard thing. The only meaty dinosaurs that carno can kill is omni, (if theres more than 2 ur cooked) dilo at day time, pachy and galli, pretty much small tiers wich ig is it's niche, but at the end of the day, carno is mid rn.

[limber hull]

imma be real, it doesnt get hardcountered by literally anything because it can run away from literally everything

like its completely in control of its engagements

[zenith pagoda]

ig thats true but then u gon starve lol

[tired quest]

same with every dino that is a specialist in certain biome
its hard to find the dino that "suitable" to your weight range to hunt

[zenith pagoda]

ig theres always a lot of omnis in sp, same with dilo, but then when u do kill something, a bodycamping dibble will ruin ur day yk.

[tired quest]

you either encounter a massive death ball that will chase you across the map just to teabag on your dead body or find nothing

[zenith pagoda]

fr

[tired quest]

That's one reason I like to play deino I have the option to choose (although not many, since the devs just hates them) when to engage.

[chilly ermine]

@maiden anvil
#general-feedback message

Commenting on allo isnt really going anywhere considering that is is unlocked via remnant code and most likely not based on its planned state.

[chilly ermine]

Tell that to the ceras I bowl over like a spare pin

[grand ruin]

So it’s better now that deino can literally only survive off other deinos unless you get insanely lucky and come across some incredibly stupid land animals that drink in dangerous areas

[zenith pagoda]

well in that case, the ceras u killed had a serious skill issue, i don't seem to have a problem killing carnos now, what are they going to do? Face tank? I dont think so.

[tired quest]

you can also crawl on land for 5 mins to circle around boar and deer to spook them into water and get stuck so you can get your 5% food ,lol

[maiden anvil]

I did expect someone to say that and you’re honestly right. I shall wait to see a better result of Allo

[grand ruin]

Ah yes peak gameplay, only interacting with the land to bug out AI for a meal

[maiden anvil]

I mainly wrote it just in case Allo wasn’t gonna change a lot in terms of speed

[urban flax]

Good ? No
Better ? Yes

[charred oak]

there is no ai spawning anywhere in the map.

[grand ruin]

I think you misunderstand his argument, he wants deino to be forced to snag land animals, as if on spiro that wasn’t 90% of their gameplay. It isn’t better that deinos only can live off other deinos now

[limber hull]

On spiro 90% of their gameplay was fish and cannibalism wdym

There were so many safe drinking spots and everyone knew where they were

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

i think you should say something because idk what this feedback means

[junior nymph]

lol

I think he got mad since he broke his leg

[urban flax]

Deino on spiro could easily survive on schooling fish alone, that's why there were so many of them

[grand ruin]

There was 1 in center that ik of and the other one no except stegos would go too since it was shallow enough for 40% deinos to camp out in and they were just heavy enough to grab everything except stegos

[grand ruin]

Yes but no one finds enjoyment in that, and with how spiro was set up you didn’t need to live off fish you could actually play deino in a satisfying ambush style way

With gateway it’s literally just cannibalism and praying you get lucky with AI food spawns

[urban flax]

Deino has always been a map knowledge check

But now with a map that isn't entirely catered to it no wonder it's harder to play

[tired quest]

ppl tend to forget this is not spiro

[grand ruin]

It’s not that gateway isn’t catered to deino, it’s built against deino

[tired quest]

nah, more like the dev can't make proper ai system

deino players go to that narrow south plain river and camping in some pond instead living at deep lakes and river delta for a reason

the new east lake is also a joke.
had like 3 fg deino travel to there, even there is other players (like a big group of dilo nesting there)
I never see elite fish more than 3 in that entire area

and most of the time that lake is just empty, all you can find is some baby stego that is too lazy to run across the map and drown themselves there

[grand ruin]

AI would fix it but as much as I enjoy not starving I also enjoy actually killing other players, I’d rather there be some sort of mechanic forcing players to drink at dangerous waters or at least approach them. Make it so the island is split by a semi narrow but deep stream so to go from one half to the other you have to swim or something like that

[junior nymph]

doesnt delta split it

and the center river in general

[tired quest]

delta has some nice design and a balanced drinking/ambush spot ratio imo

swamp are just a pile of dung right now

[grand ruin]

I guess, it’s just half of that which is swamps nobody hangs around, and migrating down that river is such a headache with all the massive waterfalls and semi clear water

[junior nymph]

the water is not clear lol

[grand ruin]

When I played cera I managed to spot deinos right before they surface

A little before too

[junior nymph]

then thats just a bad deino I cant lie

[tired quest]

before patrol zone and they adding in buch of bushes/ trees into swamp
atleast you can see whats going on and track the dibble /stego herd and manage to grab one

[junior nymph]

patrols were the worst thing the game has ever thought of

[grand ruin]

The water isn’t murky is my point, swamp water it’s impossible to see the deino before he surfaces, by water access if you open your eyes you’ll see deinos hugging the waterline

[potent flower]

if my recent feedback suggestion gets downvoted to hell, that's fair, but as the game is rn being a land deino scavenger is one of the more reliable ways of finding food and it would be nice to have a mut for it

[junior nymph]

oh yeah Water access

[tired quest]

you just need to remember that deep water/lakes are death trap created by the devs to make you think you have better chance finding food

[grand ruin]

Hence why nobody hands around there except water access on the massive unofficial servers

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message random thing but I know where this guy is

[grand ruin]

Ever deino I’ve found on official servers has always been in some narrow ass stream and usually they’re on the brink of starvation

[junior nymph]

he is here

[potent flower]

river delta is the only fully viable deino hunting ground rn

[tired quest]

elite fish move like crazy even an adult have to burn some stam if it decide to start zig zaging
and chasing it in a narrow river is much more ez than in a lake
plus, you can't see a damn thing if you are like 50 cm below the surface

[junior nymph]

im honestly suprised not alot of people go to delta

[grand ruin]

I’ve only seen 1 live elite fish

[junior nymph]

especially as herbis

[grand ruin]

Out of close to 12 hours of gameplay I’ve seen 1 live elite fish and 2 dead ones

[potent flower]

carnivores go there quite a lot rn bc food actually spawns there

[grand ruin]

I’ve seen more turtles than fish which is completely insane

[junior nymph]

yeah and herbis go there since it has the largest plants

[tired quest]

not many, but I still manage to catch some herbi time to time
you need to be a real sweaty creap and follow them without getting notice like 20-30mins

[junior nymph]

but no most go south because they like deathmatching

this is a crazy prediction

but I predict more people will catch onto delta having good AI spawns and herbivores growing there and living there due to high density of food and the largest plants in the game so then delta will become the next north lake, a mini hotspot

[potent flower]

they should add an easier path to south plains for crocs so we can at least fight the ceras

[junior nymph]

I mean croc isnt meant to go everywhere on the map

[grand ruin]

Just remove the waterfalls imo

Like wtf is the point of it other than to beach my 30% croc just for a camping cera to come out with his buddies to kill me

[potent flower]

there's a river at south plains, that's the only part i really meant

[tired quest]

I don't know. Why not just let Deino be able to find enough AI in deep lakes or in swamps, since that is its natural habitat?
ppl hate deino will avoid there and deino + future semi aquatic player can be happy

[junior nymph]

ik

[potent flower]

there's wee lakes around there that are more deino free

[grand ruin]

Personally I wouldn’t be happy with just picking off AI fish

[junior nymph]

that should be home for more stuff like bary and sucho and spino more than deino

[tired quest]

why forces deino into south plain tiny waterfall or west rail pond

[tired quest]

its about giving people choice

[grand ruin]

In aware, better AI is definitely a must imo

Rn finding players is hard but somehow better than finding fish

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message I had this idea

[tired quest]

if there is ai there will be both cannibal and non cannibal player to balance the number at the end
plus we are getting other playables that is also rely on a healthy ecosystem

[grand ruin]

I just want my ambush predator to at least have healthy opportunities to ambush non ai targets

[urban flax]

That would require a completz rework of how deino works

[tired quest]

well you need ai while waiting for your next target
right now you only got 1hr30min duration to do so

[grand ruin]

Or just better waterways

[grand ruin]

Ik that’s why I agreed that AI definitely needs to be fixed

[urban flax]

Wouldn't change much tbh

[grand ruin]

Removing all safe drinking spots and making popular locations require water crossing to reach would give me exactly what I want

[tired quest]

aren't we all? but some ppl just keep repeating that they shouldn't rely on fish and downvote every suggestion about making it balance

[grand ruin]

Yeah those people don’t know what they’re talking about

[potent flower]

i don't mind the odd remote drinking spot, but popular locations requiring water crossings is exactly why deino should have easier access to south plains

[urban flax]

Removing all safe drinking spots is 1.pretty much impossible and would look terrible
2.make it impossible to play anything that is not deino

Since safe drinking spots are the only counterplay to deino rn

[tired quest]

right now one way for you to enjoy plaing deino
is to raise 5-6 fg deino on different server, log on only to check if the area you are in is active or not

[grand ruin]

By safe I mean drinking spots where it’s literally impossible for a deino to get you, the spots where you can drink because if a Dino pops out you have some time to react is fine

[tired quest]

because you can't afford making any travel

[grand ruin]

I also wouldn’t mind a small rework of deinos grab

Where it’s replaced with a stun and drag instead of an outright grab

[urban flax]

Do remove any place where water isn't at least 2 meters deep ? Yes, impossible and/or would look the map look terrible
Literally PS1 map design

[tired quest]

if you are talking about ruining other ppl's experience of the game why don't focus on cera packs?
deino can't chase you across the map, can't eat your dead herd member and heal right back up and charge at you

[grand ruin]

Because I main cera

[urban flax]

I didn't say cera megapacks aren't a problem

[tired quest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/878636772211429377/1303272639577587753/f348805a2eb60915af9b89e6b09bb012406949928.gif

then why target them to the point a player can't play the game normally

spawns in, take 20min+ to escape spawn point cause there is nothing
struggle over hours to get over 4+ ton to really be able to drown something

[urban flax]

Deino isn't good and it has never been
It needs a rework, that's all

A rework that allows it to be a proper part of the ecosystem rather than a glorified environmental hazard

[potent flower]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1393175715784167575 agreed with this especially because right now there's literally no way for troodon to get compies, one of their diet items, without a galli digging up one for them

[tired quest]

I wouldn't use the term environmental hazard since this is not spiro and just look at other playable can to , when they decide to have some "fun"

[urban flax]

It has the same amount of interactivity as one
As in : just never meet one

[tired quest]

you sound traumatized

[urban flax]

No, I just think deino is lame in its current state

It's boring in every way it could be

[tired quest]

cause its the only way they can get food
ppl who wants to play as a natural gator gets punished

[urban flax]

Deino killing people isnt a problem
The only solution being only drinking where there cannot possibly be a deino is
It makes everything more boring for everyone involved

I wish drinking water was taking a risk and that it was scary
But it simply isn't, because either you drink in safe spots either you rely entirely on luck

[tired quest]

Mind sharing some examples?
If it's about West Rail Pond, just hide and observe — they will try to breathe eventually.
and since they got some trash stam recovery, you can bait one by running around and wander off into a more further place to drink

[potent flower]

like i said, i don't mind deino safe pools - in really out of the way places that are inconvenient unless you're already passing through the area. they just shouldn't be everywhere

[tired quest]

If you're talking about South Plain River, that part of the river is garbage and deserves a remake.

[urban flax]

And then you go drink somewhere else because there is no way you can drink in a body of water where a deino is
Zero interaction

[potent flower]

and also some of them should be technically reachable by a really dedicated croc, because while i've never made it there myself, ambushing someone at west rail pond sounds like the most fun one could have as a croc at this point in time

[tired quest]

here we go again

[potent flower]

south plains river should be connected to highlands lake tbh. also, agreed on the less waterfalls part, unless they wanna also include parts of the waterfall that act like a slide for aquatic stuff

https://tenor.com/view/gator-slide-alligator-crocodile-zoomin-gif-7125013096669119215

wheeeeee

[tired quest]

if you are afriading deino start to form packs, trust me they will fight each other and everone in that area will notice

[desert arch]

That tiny little pond has 3 safe drinking spots in it lol
Not even mentioning the knee deep puddle that got added recently thats in the forest right next to it

[urban flax]

It's just mind-numbing

Go to a body of water
Wait 10 minutes
Either drink or leave depending of wether there was a deino or not

Or simpler : drink where a deino can't catch you

There is nothing in this game to which "noob stomper" applies more than deino

[tired quest]

plus raising one or for it to relocate to other places take ages

[potent flower]

see, the knee deep puddles should only be in the mddle of nowhere

[potent flower]

carno

[urban flax]

Carno is ten times more interesting and nuanced than deino is

[potent flower]

still stomps unsuspecting noobs

[urban flax]

In fact carno is a great example of something that is both enjoyable to play as and against

[tired quest]

Don't tell me you're only going to observe the map to search for the Deino threat

[urban flax]

Everything does
The problem is deino only does this, by design

[potent flower]

not saying it's not trickier to play, mind you, i'm bad at carno lol

[tired quest]

Isn't it basic to stop and carefully scout the area when you first arrive or log in

[potent flower]

i think when the drought system is finally added, all the little bitty ponds will be less of an issue for deino bc then everyone will HAVE to go to the big waterways to drink

but rn, it's hell and they need to put more AI in the water to compensate until it's implemented

[tired quest]

doubt they got the manpower or coding team to make it happen
imagine you are a deino and log in to find yourself sitting in a dry up pond

[urban flax]

That's not the issue

[potent flower]

you don't safe log on land anyway? 😛

[tired quest]

lul

[urban flax]

The issue is any possible interaction with deino is lame and boring and can only result in the deino not being there or the land animal dying

With the exception of trike and stego, which aren't exactly interesting either as deino just needs to ignore them

[tired quest]

I think this can imply to anything that can oneshot you

[urban flax]

Not even

Even herra is more interactive

[potent flower]

what if they gave deino a proper land croc build

[tired quest]

yes, made them into Bombardino Crocodilo and interact with ppl on land

pond deino is bad I agree

[potent flower]

i liked back in the spiro days where deino would often go on land to steal carcasses

although that was before cera

but cera and deino being nemeses makes sense

[tired quest]

I enjoy the old fashion way tracking by prey for 30mins just to waait for them to cross

[urban flax]

In its early stages of life sure

[potent flower]

at least make baby deino fast enough to chase down land AI, even if it's not on the diet

(deino can let things rot and then eat them as part of their diet anyway)

[tired quest]

that might be too much, you know how fast these things moves

can't they just......put fish back?

and more fish in lakes and swamp and we ended up with everyone being happy

[potent flower]

true

[tawny sleet]

@sharp sentinel that sleeping mechanic would just encourage people to afk grow7

screw afk growers

[potent flower]

giving deino more ability to sense other dinos might help. like it can smell groups smaller than other dinos can

[tired quest]

nah, most of the time using sight vision is enough

[potent flower]

also, on the flipside: maybe make deino grab part of the bucking mechanic, where you can drain the stam of the deino right back in an attempt to get free

[tired quest]

if you played fg croc for once you know how loud ppl are on land

keep spamming 1 call and F calls
and get reaaaal mad when they finally get caught

(I mostly stay along central river - delta)

[potent flower]

haven't managed to grow a fg croc since i returned to the game. closest i got was 50% and i starved trying to make a saltwater trip bc there's hardly any turtles now

[tired quest]

saltwater mut is a gamble, cause every cannibal will try to get to southplain too

[potent flower]

i was thinking more "oh this will finally give me a decent amount of lines nutrient if i can find turtles"

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1393165013853671515 wrt this: if they just put frog ai back, we could already get two nutrients from water sources, but i understand your point, they don't really scream "source of carbs" to me

[tired quest]

man i miss the old swamp

its not pretty but you know what to do there to get food

[potent flower]

cannibalism? cannibalism

[tired quest]

nah, its the dibble

used to be dibble and stego herd in that area

[potent flower]

ngl, i've engaged in a LOT more active cannibalism since the ai nerf as deino. not even just "hey can you kill me i don't wanna spawn here" moments either

[tired quest]

took this SC like 10 months ago

[junior nymph]

+yeah dibble and stego mz

[grand ruin]

For me it’s mostly on sight unless they say hi before I attack them

[limber hull]

its the same swamp lol

its just bigger

but they never removed that swamp

[grand ruin]

The current swamp is extremely cluttered

[tired quest]

and they also added tons of bushes

[grand ruin]

East swamp is open asf but nobody goes there

[tired quest]

making it hard to see

[potent flower]

lot more cannis talk to you as they maul you now, but overwhelmingly in a "sorry bro i'm starving" sorta way

[junior nymph]

that is not a swamp

[limber hull]

east swamp is not a thing

[grand ruin]

I became a canni after I lost my 3rd 48% croc and died to a full grown croc who pretended to be friendly and fed me just to kill me

[limber hull]

there is literally just one swamp

[tired quest]

you mean the old east plain turned into east lake /east pond?

[potent flower]

bro actually fattened you up. i'd be outraged

[grand ruin]

This lil joint is murky and stuff

[junior nymph]

thats a lake in a jungle

[limber hull]

idk what this proves that aint a swamp brother thats a pond/lake

[grand ruin]

I assumed if it made my croc covered in moss and the water was murky it’d be a swamp

[potent flower]

yeah cannis that pretend to be friendly at first are annoying. it's the ones who make their intent clear but are like "look man, i need diet and you're made of s nutrient" that i respect

[grand ruin]

Maybe just have it so if you’re infected and in water your stamina drains

[junior nymph]

nah increase bleed damage

[grand ruin]

Realistically that doesn’t make sense

Water pressure can actually be beneficial to blood loss

And preventing it

I would just make it so it drains their stamina but reduces blood loss

[elfin willow]

Respectfully, this game ain't realistic big dawg

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

brother i know your ass is another alt of an alt but goddamn you've mastered the art of the garbage take

[grand ruin]

Yeah fair enough

[tawny sleet]

Nice constructive feedback

[limber hull]

i mean, matching your energy

peas in a pod type business

[elfin willow]

I don't get what your feedback is... I'm almost certain most people play herbie over carnie purely because growing a herbie is waaaaay easier.

[grand ruin]

1 herbivore for every 4 carnivores is insane

[limber hull]

it was a compliment tbh, because at this point i know you're baiting but you do a fine job at it

every take is uniquely bad

[elfin willow]

You can't say that. People will start saying they can beat you up because you said their feedback is booty cheeks. 😔😔😔😔😔

[limber hull]

no normal person makes this many alts without the intention to cause mischief and mayhem

frankly i somewhat admire the dedication

[dawn hound]

yes i feel very good after like 5 thousand microorganisms from the lake entered my body

[grand ruin]

I meant the pressure not the actual water

[elfin willow]

City boy. I absorb those microorganisms and gain instant immunity to every virus known to man (i will die to a staph infection in 3 days)

[woven bane]

worst part is that he couldn’t have made it more obvious

rookie mistake

[valid zephyr]

@supple pine upvoting for the art

[dawn hound]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-gross-snot-dirty-gif-17715457

[winter void]

#general-feedback message
@shut dawn
maybe BattleEye would be a better option since it keeps improving itself to make adjustments for different attempts to cheat/hack/exploid. (EAC isnt that bad at all by itself, its just a thing of how good it works with the game.. lots of games use EAC and are pretty fine with it and some games just arent that compatible with it. Just to defend the EAC, it can work properly on specific games.) Also Valve is open for help and already supported games with some Anti-Cheat support/software packages. Its not like Gabe wouldnt care about his customers 😄

And at this point, if im honest.. it wouldnt hurt to consider to reach out for Steam/valve itself to get some help. Not saying make expensive deals with big companies, but im sure theres a way they gonna Support on some Anti Cheat to a game thats sold on their platform.

[hidden pilot]

#general-feedback message
I'm noticing an eat grass and die uprising...

[chilly ermine]

The only time I die to a cera as a carno is if it catches me with low stam. Otherwise, most of them either stay in one spot trying to charge bite as I ram them or run strait at me charge biting. In both cases they can't time the bite right and I take them out.

Good cera players usually engage in the bushes. The only counter to the charge I suppose is presenting the tail and trying for a bite as the carno passes.

[normal shuttle]

Lol

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

comparison is a nasty thing, aint it

it dont matter if cerato is disgustingly OP, doesn't mean everything should follow in its example

[charred oak]

<@&505047238674874368> i got crashed and when i logged back in. it took me to dino selection menu. i wasnt dead my friends saw me disappearing in the game. why did i lose my progress then?

[pliant elm]

?

Who is making comparisons?

[junior nymph]

@charred gorge fix what

[charred gorge]

idk, the entire game maybe, why change legacy stuff that was right? such as night vision

[junior nymph]

thats not needing fixing though

[charred gorge]

yeah , they changed it to a worse state, spend hours and time to make it worse

AI is just too bad

also worse than legacy

when i say fix something I mean make the game playable atleast before working on new stuff

[junior nymph]

it is playable

its just a skill issue if you cant find ai (unless its fish)

and NV is fine

[woven bane]

we just say negative things and leave, no such thing as constructive criticism

[junior nymph]

facts

[zenith pagoda]

last thing u wanna do as carno is charge cera, it's pretty much useless now with their knockdown resistance or whatever.

[wooden agate]

id argue having AI be dinosaur door dash is far worse for the game than what we have now

"oh im below 70% hunger. time to sit and stare behind me while i wait for an ava to spawn" i say as i grow a 97% sub rex thats eaten exclusively ava's

[elfin willow]

i mean, the devs aren't even acknowledging any ounce of feedback. it'd be a miracle if nightvision for trike, for example, was fixed (I'm not looking to grow something for 10 hours only to fall off a cliff at night because I can't see anything/sitting out entire nights because I can't see anything during them). Or omniraptor pounces right now are seriously broken.. and trike can thrash and hit behind itself somehow.

[charred gorge]

fish? you can't find fish m8?? you need more skill bro, fish is just fine

[junior nymph]

its very luck based

[charred gorge]

it's skill based

[junior nymph]

no its not

[limber hull]

i eat the fish wahahee

https://tenor.com/view/fish-spin-sha-gif-26863370

[charred gorge]

u just need more skill

[junior nymph]

I dont think you know how ai works

[limber hull]

the fish respect the greater man

[wooden agate]

i can admit fish spawns are pretty crap right now

and frog spawns in my experience

[charred gorge]

I don't think you know how skill works

[cobalt lark]

Whoever agrees can you paste this into feedback? Make it that we can choose multiple slots for how many Dino’s we can use per server instead of having to end yourself to play another Dino, or switch servers.

[tawny sleet]

what?

Lmao whaat

Sad to tell you that what you're "pretty sure of" is wrong by a mile, most players in the average server consists of carnivores.

The only times that servers consistently have more herbis than carnis, is when a new herbi drops. And even then, it's rare

[elfin willow]

Ok buddy. You aren't getting what you want, teehee. 🫶

[tall vine]

@dawn hound genious idea about the water camping. and it makes sense in all kinda ways

[dawn hound]

well it doesnt that much, you cant die after having infection for a few minutes, but it is all for the sake of watercamping

[tall vine]

but it would kill the dino after a while, also leeches and crocs would kill or hurt in the meantime the prey even if it was huge, but since they don't fix deino and add more aquatics/semi aquatics, carnivores have no way of countering watercamping besides outlasting their prey and wait till they need to move

i would say infection/leeches slowly bleeding or draining the victims blood/hp would be a great addition

[limpid bear]

just stop

constantly going on about that , i and many many others love playing herbis

we play the dino cause we like it

[sly moon]

don't carni players enjoy having herbis to hunt?

i would think that kneecapping the introduction of herbi playables would be in no ones interest

[limpid bear]

hes just silly

[urban flax]

Nah that's a troll, ignore it

[hidden pilot]

ah my bad

[somber zealot]

is the deino camera having issues? Whenever I move my camera it glitches out

[normal shuttle]

Lol

[hidden pilot]

#general-feedback message @limpid bear

[limpid bear]

ik ive seen it it looks so good

its so obvious we need it too

[hidden pilot]

and we're getting it

so... why make the post?

[limpid bear]

thats isnt official is it?

[limpid bear]

prob cause thats 2 years old with no talk about it since , why do i need to justify that?

[hidden pilot]

cus 2 years old with not much talk about it(which isn't true btw) doesn't mean it's not still planned? I'm just confused why you would make a post sugesting something you know is already in the works?

[hidden pilot]

yes its official

it was in a devblog and was made by fred

[limpid bear]

because i wanted to make others aware and fingers crossed make the devs think about doing it sooner whats the prob with that? ur so pressed over a singular post i wanted to do about smth id enjoy in the game to come sooner

[hidden pilot]

"Pressed"

I'm just confused bro 😭

[limpid bear]

at what?

im confused as to why me expressing my views is confusing

[hidden pilot]

im confused as to why you felt the need to make a post suggesting something already publicly known to be planned

[limpid bear]

yes u are

[hidden pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[limpid bear]

am i not allowed to say i want to have smth sooner ?

[hidden pilot]

telling me how i feel through a digital screen is crazy

[limpid bear]

cause we need it

[limpid bear]

dude u started this 😭 out of the blue

[hidden pilot]

yes we do need it, but you didnt even say we need it sooner what are you talking about

[limpid bear]

but whats the problem with me doing it how does it in anyway negatively affect anyone

[hidden pilot]

telling someone something they didn't seem to know is not being pressed its giving information

[hidden pilot]

it doesnt it just confuses me. When did I say or suggest it negatively affects anyone?

[limpid bear]

thats not the part i said was , pls just chill and explain why i was not allowed to make that post

[hidden pilot]

Bro I'm not a mod im not saying what you can and cant post

[limpid bear]

just drop it

[hidden pilot]

[limpid bear]

ts is why i spend less and less time on this dc cant even say smth remotely wrong without backlash but moving on , were there any other specific details on the kelp forest and more water foliage

[hidden pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/shaggy-scooby-doo-running-fast-drive-gotta-go-gif-14155314728659512405

[limpid bear]

dude

[celest gate]

#general-feedback message I haven't had any issues mate, possible ram or cpu issue?

[cobalt lark]

do the mods even look through the suggestions?

[tawny sleet]

Lmao how about you think before you say something next time

[hidden pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/coach-left-4-dead-this-a-burger-tank-surprised-oh-gif-4853657694729558684

[dawn hound]

@tawny sleet

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[tawny sleet]

Suggest something better

And I ask that knowing that you can't, just to prove my point

[formal willow]

"Remove a game mechanic or break it" thats ur argument

[shy fox]

Supremely silly suggestion not gonna lie

We've had the gender mechanic since the day nesting was introduced. It is in fact easier than ever, because your hatchlings grow up so much faster and feeding them is not nearly as demanding as it used to be, especially compared to legacy. This is unironically the first time I have heard anyone complain about the gender mechanic or the current nesting. @tawny sleet genuine question how new are you to this game?

[desert arch]

That guy only posts bait, dont bother

Ah nvm, rip 😭

[shy fox]

Lol deadass?

[desert arch]

Yeah

One of their feedbacks recently was literally "remove unofficials"

[shy fox]

OH MY GOD LMAOOOO

Who let this guy out of solitary

Oh yeah, registered in May, joined the server 4 days ago. Guess this is the unemployed friend everyone's been talking about

[hidden pilot]

#general-feedback message
This post bruh 😭 😭

[shy fox]

Yea look at this guy's post history, what an absolute specimen

I don't think this is ragebait, I think he is genuinely unhinged. What a read

[hidden pilot]

Oh boy..

Yeah I think his cheese has slid off his cracker

[shy fox]

Termimal disease where instead of brain there is stupid, pray for swiftest recovery

[elfin willow]

love how his suggestions don't get taken down.. but i suggest lower stego speed/stam but allow it to jump like 10 feet in the air to escape things, MY GREAT SUGGEST gets removed. 😩 society.

let the stegos dunk basketballs smh

[latent olive]

that dudes also made at least 6 alt accounts by now just to argue in this channel, he’s been muted/banned every time, just to keep coming back

[pliant elm]

@shadow remnant The game already has extremely horrible optimization and you still want this? Xd

[shadow remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-the-boys-s4-the-boys-season-4-annoyed-enough-gif-7126926595700907579

[feral jackal]

Carno is way weak then history writes. In Evrima. With all the new dinos, carno can go delete. Lol the most BadAss looking dino of mid tier

I hited dibble so many times, like so many, with bleeding etc nothing, dude killed me in two hits and a 3rd trash, also, a cera can easily overpowered a carno, and in real history that would be a balance fight, but they lived in different time lines, so nobody knows, but still, I think a Carno deserve some kind of buff tho. With all the dinos coming.

[bronze niche]

its meant to hunt things smaller than it and sometimes of its size. while being absolutely garbage at fighting anything bigger

diablos are more mobile and have better agility which means that its bascially impossible to get a hit on one as carno

your not suppose to fight diablos unless they are smaller than you

[chilly ermine]

Well it’s been working pretty well. They only have resistance if they have body buff.

[charred oak]

Ai is not spawning anywhere. is it a bug?

[craggy crow]

Wassup everyone

[grand ruin]

Dawg what the freak is up with the recommendation for beipis

Give a semi aquatic a complete safe zonefrom everyone?

Are you for real right now gang

[feral jackal]

Okey, and cera is ment to be The Godly op Dino? That can take a trike with a body sleeping by, so easily? Then that logic is going down. It is not possible that a Cera is able to take out a trike with bacteria and bleed spam, but carno is not.

[indigo gulch]

Don’t buff carno because cera is stronger? Tf? Just nerf cera then

[junior nymph]

yeah lol

[normal shuttle]

He’s such a bad troll

[shy fox]

STEGO JUMP??? NIGHTMARISH

[dawn hound]

okey!!!! make allosaurus be the size of triceratops and allow it to maul t rexes and be as fast as a charging carno with the turnspeed of a dryo!!

[tawny sleet]

I have been with this game since before evrima

[dawn hound]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[tawny sleet]

Although most of my hours are on evrima

[tawny sleet]

Even as sarcastic as it is, it has no correlation with my suggestion

[dawn hound]

Okay sorry master, remove dryosaurus from the game, its overpowered

[tawny sleet]

Okay bro. Log on as a dryo and tell me how easy it will be for you to nest

[dawn hound]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-stare-100-yard-stare-meme-gif-251436459491629941

[tawny sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dont-need-to-be-here-uninvited-excluded-you-are-nothing-go-away-gif-15611025

[dawn hound]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-renner-i-want-to-smiling-fan-girling-gif-9323539

[bronze niche]

ceras good at fighting things at all sizes up to trike size if the players are skilled and experienced. the only problem is that if anythings faster than it it wont be able to catch up

carno is able to kill things its size when there in a group (solo if ur experienced) and really good at killing things smaller than it like omni and dilo. it can catch up with them aswell. if carno could kill prey bigger than it easier like a tenoto without being in a group that would be OP since tenoto has no chance of running away

@maiden anvil 1.5T is fine since it shouldnt be the same weight as cera but its charge speed as of now is perfectly fine

[normal shuttle]

Can we stop with the carno victim complex already 😭

[maiden anvil]

The reason I said so is cause I miss the time it was the fastest

[bronze niche]

also had way worse turn tho thats the thing you could get juked easily

[feral jackal]

Why victim? Players want to try all dinos the balance is important, this is not real life this is a game, so when trex and trike come, only this two will be overpowered, also with stego, overpowered cera, so why cera gets buffs and buffs, while carno is left in the mud? People just want a balance if nothing else, between mid tier dinos. Cera can kill any living descendants, parents, while a carno is killed by a boar untill 30%, when carno hit 100% it is still weaker then 70% of dinos, that is not balance or logical by the way, this are facts, because you don't play carno, it doesn't mean it is not popular in player base. So players, ask, what they can't. Your comment is not necessary.

@normal shuttle

[west tiger]

@harsh sun would definitely be a cool sight to see. though most likely wouldnt be something they would take top priority in with so many thing they already are wotking on

but that would be something that would make it cooler to be a water dino

give the rivers and lakes a whole new feel

[tall vine]

@maiden anvil i agree with some carno buffs against bigger targets like teno and cera, carno already has desync to help him against smaller targets he doesn't need faster charges

[maiden anvil]

Alright. I could agree with that

[tall vine]

@vivid mason awesome idea, but with so many debuffs on the target i doubt the troodons with that idea need multiplier on pounce damage, i would personally reduce that back to same pounce damage overall no matter the stage

[vivid mason]

the debuffs arent as strong as they seem

35 damage on all targets would be abysmal and would put troodon as a tiny tier hunter from a large tier hunter

you can revert some of the unnecessary buffs like the bleed buff if needed, but otherwise the agility effects dont affect the prey that largely

[limpid bear]

Just stop dude have u not seen the overwhelming disagreement to ur general feedback posts

[normal shuttle]

I want carno to be viable bruh

I like it in fact

Problem is the crowd who want it to resemble old carno

[tawny sleet]

Carno is viable against things below 425kg, a good carno can slaughter 2 omnis

Especially with how hitting tails with charge works

It's how it supposed to be, small game

[tawny sleet]

Yeah I won't make the suggetion anymore considering the fact that the devs are already doing it

They're prioritizing carnis

[urban flax]

How can someone fit so much misinformation inside so few messages

#general-feedback message

[normal shuttle]

Who is this guy and why are all of his takes atrocious 😭

[urban flax]

He's a troll who makes a new alt account to keep posting awful takes and try to get people banned in here everytime he gets banned or muted

[normal shuttle]

lmfao

brutal

[limber hull]

bland and shallow
ceratopsian

honestly maia, dibble, trike have all been extremely complex, with maia being a standout example

[tawny sleet]

Misinfo?

[normal shuttle]

the Dondi part sure was

and then you failed to explain how are the other herbivores bland and shallow inherently

whereas the two clones (and ava being an outlier) are somehow better and a must add

[tall vine]

35x10 every 5 secs is rlly strong with debuffs to reduce the casualties and the stam for the pounce has doubled, i really love troodon, prob my favorite playable rn, but u have to be careful with reworks so it isn't simply the best pack hunter

[vivid mason]

wdym 35x10?

[tall vine]

10 troodons sorry

[vivid mason]

thats still extremely weak for a LARGE GAME HUNTER

[tall vine]

hm no, ive seen wat troodons can do, i agree reworking the venom for more dynamic stuff instead of simple damage numbers but both would be broken, it's really strong as it is.

[vivid mason]

its damage already got a shadow nerf, i dont think it needs to be even less-

[tall vine]

if i'm not mistaken every pounce on stage 3 is 100 dmg

is that true?

[vivid mason]

yeah it used to be 120

[tall vine]

100 is way too much if u nerf even more the victim than just fog with all the stuff u suggested, if 35 would be too low after testing, i would suggest dmg over time

[vivid mason]

100 isnt too much at all-

its not as strong as it seems

[tall vine]

it is bro, a pack of troodons can hunt things carnos and omnis cant

[tawny sleet]

• Dondi said on stream "thank god pteranodon's being moved to a mostly terrestrial creature"

Deny it now, try

[tall vine]

i play troodon and it can kill even trikes which have huge hp regen

[vivid mason]

yeah no shi a carno is a small game hunter

[normal shuttle]

that doesn't mean he wants the ability taken away straight up like you pictured it, and it is even further away from proving that he hates pteranodon

[tawny sleet]

Several devs on record complain about ptera's ability to "harass players" (reference to kissen) due to flight

[normal shuttle]

doesn't mean they hate ptera

that's a conjecture you made

[tall vine]

troodon is meant to camp sanctuaries until they rework them if they don't let it be, and then when a troo gets a decent pack can hunt anything apart from faster stuff than them, like galli, raptors, carnos and maias which can just run from a pack

[tawny sleet]

I can accept that you're in denial, although "moving ptera to mostly terrestrial" in accordance to dondi - objectively means that its current flight was going to get nerfed

Which it now is, unless the current stam drain is a bug

[tall vine]

why should carno be a small game hunter and troodons a big game hunter?

[tawny sleet]

Dondi is vocal about not liking ptera being "Invulnerable in the air", and is going to keep nerfing it until ptera fits his idea of "terrestrial"

[vivid mason]

..because the devs want it to?

[tawny sleet]

It's a flier. Of course it's going to be "Invulnerable" in the air. It flies.

[vivid mason]

what kind of question is that

[tall vine]

noooooo, if the devs want for carnivores to feed on grass, should they?

[normal shuttle]

and something else will be put in its place, hopefully better than a glorified spectator cam

[tawny sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-silly-silly-question-silly-questions-stupid-question-gif-17949411

[tawny sleet]

😆 Nice, so now at least it's clear that you also don't like ptera as a flier

[tall vine]

carno was studied to be around 1.8 tons and still was nerfed thanks to the ram being too much for the devs to handle, cuz desync and hitboxes are not fixed yet, that's why they reworked the charge mechanic from wat it was in spiro

[tall vine]

so devs can want smth for some time just so they work on other stuff and then fix/implement ideas from the community

[vivid mason]

?? what are you talking about

[tall vine]

some things like powerswing example, are put in place ahead of time, or momentarily just so it barely balances player's experience until they commit to a complete solution

[tawny sleet]

😂 so you want sacrificed gameplay and balancing for the sake of realism and studies?

[normal shuttle]

more like I would like it to be engaging and having it be more useful in the terrain where all of the roster is would not be a bad idea

"oh omg omg ptera is so interesting and good now! you can peck deinos and grab fish and all you do is fly, rest, fish and drink because going into land means death"

[tall vine]

carno for example is not finished, dilo isn't finished, dryo isn't finished, beipi isn't finished and so on

[vivid mason]

what??? carno, dilo and beipi are finished lol

[tall vine]

never said that, i dont know where u got that from the sentence, read again

[vivid mason]

they may get updates later on but they are considered finished until we hear more about them from the devs

[tawny sleet]

They could

• buff ptera land abilties
• not nerf ptera air capabilities

and keep it as a good flier. But since they don't like fliers (which dondi is vocal about, you're in deniaaal) - they want to nerf it since it's "invulnerable in air"

You must really hate it when you can't deny stuff due to devs already confirming what i'm showing you

[tall vine]

wat does beipi add to the ecosystem of the isle, dilo venom is the most basic venom idea ever just put together to be fast in place to play and carno might have or not have some changes coming

[normal shuttle]

flight is conditioned depending on how proficient it is in land because nothing should ever be untouchable

[dawn hound]

I dont know really what you guys are talking about, but a partial fix to pteranodon's scouting could be giving it a huge broadcast cooldown

but in things like vcs it wont help much

[vivid mason]

none of this says that they arent finished what??

[tall vine]

we are digressing tho, the point is, as much as i love troodon, the things they should buff about troodon is, dismount speed faster, and probably small ai for it to hunt until it has it's venom or revert his speed reduce back to how it was, and if his venom gets reworked like u suggested which i agree, then should dilo's aswell (but not be just free damage numbers, rather stuff like u showed on the clip)

[tawny sleet]

Pteras weren't invincible, you would always see a ptera die every once in a while
Nerfing flight even more makes it feel more like a flying squirrel, less like a ptera

Herra can climb. Is it untouchable? No, you see them mess up and die every once in a while
Hypsies can climb. Are they untouchable? No, same story
Ptera, same story

[vivid mason]

okkayy...? why are we bringing up dilo though? i mean this is about troodon

i agree also dilo's venom is boring but dont see why you need to bring it up rn

troodon with the buffs wouldnt be too strong, you literally cant give it too much damage because its ONE SHOT

nothing that dies in one hit can practically do too much damage

[tawny sleet]

Keep ptera as a flier, make it more capable on ground but let it be good at flying.
It's the game's only flier, and will likely be one of the 2 only - unless they add a third

[tawny sleet]

"i want carno to be cerato but faster"

[tall vine]

if we talk about troodon venom, we have to talk about dilo, there's no special treatments here right?

troodon is really strong rn, if u think it is not, u are seeing the wrong people play it, just cuz it's oneshot doesn't mean stuff can hit them

[tall vine]

wat are u on about again?

[tall vine]

i've killed solo fg dilos and ceras with troodon, before the fog and all this fancy stuff was a thing, it does do a lot of damage against stuff that can't hit them easily

[bronze niche]

kinda, the dinosaurs in the isle are cloned and probably dont have a spec of their real counterparts in them

thats why dilo has venom when irl it didnt, diablo is 3 tons instead of 1. carno 1300 and having the ability to ram etc

[bronze niche]

my point is is that the devs dont really care about prehistoric accuracy

[vivid mason]

okay..? were removing the fog and adding effects that are more realistic to troodon's venom

it wouldnt be OP, and removing the damage multipliers makes it useless

[tall vine]

true bro, i know they are not supposed to be copy pasta from wat people who studied dinos have come to conclusion

[tall vine]

it would make it op, cuz i would say rn, if a troo pack gets someone on stage 3 and they are not faster than troos, they are dead

[vivid mason]

just try and fight back?? i won against a pack of 5 troodons as a 2 ton maia

2 ton maia runs no faster than 35kmh btw

[tall vine]

i'll give the example of stam reduction u mentioned, now with that, troos would catch every single animal who they envenomated, if there's no escape, the only hope would be to have luck on alt attacking for most

[vivid mason]

camp water/cliff and spam alt attacks

troodons invalidated

[tawny sleet]

carno was always meant to be small game hunter, we don't need carno to be able to battle strong mid tiers

if an allo catches up to you, you should be dead

[tall vine]

i mean, maia can just sidekick spam and hit all around it, cuz the hitbox has been proven to be broken

[tall vine]

so, when did i say that?

[vivid mason]

so?? that proves my point- if its slower it can fight back

[tall vine]

but u can win, if the troodons f up, or relying on stuff like broken hitboxes, not every playable has that

[vivid mason]

everything can either fight back or run away technically-

[tall vine]

that's valid for every carnivore rn against bigger herbies, doesn't help ur point 1 bit, i would say troo even has an advantage there over other playables cuz he is small and can jump

[vivid mason]

and there should be times where the prey cant flee

not EVERY time, but thats how any predator makes kills

if the troodon pack is smart about it, and the prey is irresponsible with their stamina, they should die

[tall vine]

with the stam reduction u suggested no they cannot

[vivid mason]

like? what cant

[tall vine]

do u know the exact number of speed reduction u suggested? or do i have to go read it?

[vivid mason]

yeah- i do- give me examples

the speed reduction is 10% max

[tall vine]

then give me the reduction %

[tall vine]

ty

[indigo gulch]

@lunar mirage I agree with everything you said, but I AM curious why you added reddit to some parts

[lunar mirage]

i asked chat gpt to word the argument for me sourcing the internet

lol

[vivid mason]

ah, figured

[indigo gulch]

Hmmmm you might want to get rid of that then. Cuse I know a lot of people would downvote you just for that😅

[vivid mason]

yep-

[lunar mirage]

read it and tell me you disagree

[tall vine]

troodon top speed is 45 am i wrong? 10% speed reduction means 48km is reduced to 43,2, 46,8km goes to 40 and those are just dilo and omni top speeds but i think those suffice for my point

[indigo gulch]

I said earlier that I agree with everything.

[lunar mirage]

i told chat gpt a lot of things, i just asked it to present it in a more absorbable way

[indigo gulch]

Aaah ok.

[lunar mirage]

it didnt "make" any ideas

[indigo gulch]

Got it👍🏻

[bronze niche]

i wanna genuinely know how the hell nerfing dryo bleed damage and nerfing troodons juvi speed helped it at all

the devs dont even tell us how that benefits balance and the ecosystem, its like they just did it for the sake of doing it

[vivid mason]

dryo doesnt need to do bleed, troo juvi speed nerf is kinda overkill yeah

[tall vine]

and if we factor also the stam reduction idea u gave, not only do troodons demolish any fg dilo/raptor in 3~7 pounces after stage 3, but their prey could potentially be slower now than them, and get their stam reduced also just in case they thought of fleeing, and if for some miracle troos don't kill their prey any herbi or carni around gets an easier envenomated prey who can't even see them cuz of dizziness or vision reduced cuz of venom

[bronze niche]

it doesnt need to, but at the same time dryo is already dead, forgotten and they just gave everyone a reason to not play it

[vivid mason]

its bleed was already useless

[tall vine]

also don't forget, bigger dinos rely on ambush, troodon are invisible in almost every terrain unless they dumb in the open talking in chat

[vivid mason]

7 pounces for omni, about 11-12 for dilo

[tall vine]

after stage 3, u deal 100 per pounce, unless it got nerfed

[vivid mason]

yes, but you need to take in account the pounces before stage 3

7 pounces for omni, 10-12 for dilo

[bronze niche]

https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/kDbkLEA8gGyYR6Qmg?invite=cr-MSwxTGksMTMzMDg2NDY3
dont forget stuff like this happens too, skip to like 0:50 if you dont care about the omni

they need to fix that for troodon and omni, kind of funny how they just get stuck there for a few seconds and open to hits

[junior nymph]

its prob due to the troodon or raptor trying to do the animation of getting hit off but the game says no

[tall vine]

i know, but troo should had dismounted there, that was just a basic mistake, that problem is the long 5 secs animation of standing back up not showing the animation properly

[bronze niche]

i thought knocking off an animal should just grant them off the dinosaur, not put them in a 5 second knockdown

[tall vine]

if it only dismounted, raptor and troos would be almost invincible, and those are my mains so im biased towards them

[bronze niche]

i cant be bothered to play raptor because of how easy i slaughter them as carno, which gives me the realization that there are plenty of carno mains and it doesnt take much to wipe out a pack

[tall vine]

now that i remember there was a time it was like that, and there were mostly raptors only in servers

[bronze niche]

i chased out 5-7 omnis one time as a fg carno before the HT and that made me realize that they really put a lot into carnos small game hunter niche

[tall vine]

ye carno can spam charge, and raptor takes a lot of skill, and luck in the desync and fps department, plus pounce has always been bugged

i also am a great carno player according to herbies and other carnivore mains i have pvped against

carno demolishes small stuff with good fps

[bronze niche]

im really good at fighting omnis dilos and ceras, decent at teno and still have yet to learn how to actually properely fight one without getting sent to orange

i also have learned that when you get knocked down by a teno if you look away from its feet sometimes it might save you from getting kicked in the face once or twice

[tall vine]

teno is tough, u have to be really good at sliding to bait attack and then bite 1 at a time, and slowly u can win, i think i've only done it once or twice tho, teno can take high ground and it's gg

there are many campable spots rn for smart herbi players who don't have honour to just survive almost every encounter

[bronze niche]

yeah usually you want to avoid fighting tenos as carno if theres mountains or large rocks nearby, otherwise u want the space to be as open as possible

[tall vine]

tbh i don't recommend anyone playing raptor or troo as they are easily punished by bugs and desync, i'm just wishing for more challenging carnivores to survive until 100% than we have got rn now, game is too easy to get to 100% and then nothing left to do apart from talking to people and watch them eventually die to fall damage and laugh and repeat

[bronze niche]

troodons are so weirdly weak with their growth times, an hour gets you to 100% and like 65 kgs meanwhile a carno can get like 500 kgs in an hour of growth

[vivid mason]

60kgs

[tall vine]

it's just the way the devs have to do things in order for stuff to be not too much time i guess

[edgy flax]

ur venom rework makes me want to vomit

[vivid mason]

💀 its not a cerato chill dude

what happened to hello

[edgy flax]

im not sure if its motion sickness but did u ever hear of that

[vivid mason]

it was just an example lmao, it doesnt have to be that strong

[hidden pilot]

ngl I think that troodon just button mashed and didnt move like a numpty

[limber hull]

@paper galleon #general-feedback message
that is absolutely not the finished stats of allo

it literally even has carno calls, it is by no means meant to be a "better carno"

[paper galleon]

do you forget the part where dondi showed allo's stats in live?

[limber hull]

no because that never happened lol

he literally said that the stats are purposely misrepresented to throw off dataminers

he himself admitted that

there are no 100% confirmed allo stats

[north hazel]

lmao , but they have done the elder and weight 2,7

[north hazel]

you think allo will weight less that 2t really?

[paper galleon]

say what you want, but he show it in live and there are videos, also whenever it shows them, when the dino comes out their stats are the same or very similar, I'm not telling you that they can change it, but they usually do it after it has come out

[paper galleon]

he is believed that will change the stats of the allo a lot XDDD

[north hazel]

The only thing we want for the Carnotaurus is that it can at least fight something of its size with the cera and that it is not useless against herbivores.

right now the live of the carno is kill dilo , omnis , and small ceras , do you really think that carnivores have to hunt eachother ?? @limber hull

[limber hull]

what??

when tf did i say that

[paper galleon]

being able to fight against something that is smaller but has the same weight, I don't think it's crazy, or do you think so? because tell me then, cera can only be easily killed by a mid tier dino? The game is very balanced like this...

[limber hull]

he quite literally said himself that the stats are purposely wrong to mess with dataminers idk what to tell you

allo doesn't even have a finished turn radius lol

[paper galleon]

you said that they aren't the final stats, but they aren't going to change much

[north hazel]

you say that they are not the finish stats of allo . and i answer you , how many will weight?? i put all my money that not less than 2 ,5 t

[desert arch]

Idk about you but I doubt theyre keeping the 52kmh speed lmao

[paper galleon]

well, I'll call you when the allo comes out and the stats are almost the same as the ones he show, because that's how it's always been

[desert arch]

Its 100% changing

[north hazel]

with ambush is that

[desert arch]

Allo wont have ambush

[north hazel]

yeah lmao

the ambush is doing for rex and allo

[paper galleon]

the ambush will surely do it, likewise the meat runs 55 km with the stampede

[wooden agate]

stats are one of the last things to be done

[limber hull]

there is literally no confirmation of allo having ambush

[paper galleon]

???????????? XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD, literally the devs have said that he will have it and it will be the first but then they added it to the rex, do you live under a cave?

[wooden agate]

the devs have actually never said it will have an ambush speed mechanic

[paper galleon]

AJSFODPSAIJGOISJGOISDGOIJSGIOJFOISDJIOFJ, ask the devs

[limber hull]

people have

[wooden agate]

they've said "its possible"

[north hazel]

lmao but they have done the elder and now exist elder stats lmao

[limber hull]

the devs have said it might have ambush, never anything confirmed

[limber hull]

also not complete

the elder system is being balanced out too

the idea that allo will have its current mobility in live is laughable

again, it doesn't even have its CALLS, what makes you think all these stats are complete lol

it doesnt even have a proper drift animation lol

[paper galleon]

yes yes yes, that they play with you as well as small children and you don't know that they are obviously going to have it gives food for thought

[north hazel]

because calls is the last . that they added to the dino xd

[wooden agate]

"the devs have said it"

what inspires you people to so confidently lie

[desert arch]

#isle-discussion message

[wooden agate]

and then defend the lie to your core

like the only thing i ask of people is to be informed of things and if they dont know, not to say it

i ask too much

[paper galleon]

at no point am I talking about an allo from 6 months ago

[wooden agate]

also allo stats have changed several times from what they are now iirc lol

especially its speed

[paper galleon]

well, let it out and you'll see how it will be

[desert arch]

We dont need allo going 50+kmh with or without ambush when it will have pin

Simple as

[wooden agate]

the solution isnt abritrarily buffing carno

the solution is balancing the incomplete unbalanced allosaurus

[paper galleon]

you need a dibble that is too strong like cera, but for the allo to run at 50km seems too much to you

[wooden agate]

when the allo can pin, yes

[desert arch]

Literally yes when allo can pin half the roster

[limber hull]

it literally has carno's exact speed, calls

hell, its animations are literally TOO SLOW FOR ITS SPRINT LMAO

It's NOT going to be that fast

[wooden agate]

something something herrera run animation something something

[desert arch]

Whats a cera supposed to do when a 50+kmh allo that can pin it shows up lol

Play allo or play nothing else, hell yeah

[paper galleon]

stego unkillable right now, the dibble with stats that are too buffed, the cera with a lot of tools and does twice as much damage as a carno, are you telling me that the allo with 175 damage has very strong stats and the cera doesn't?, I remind you, the carno when the stampede hits, the cera can hit too

[wooden agate]

stego and unkillable in the same sentence

im not reading that brother

stego is anything but unkillable lol

[north hazel]

lmao

what carnivores can killed???

if you said me one

[wooden agate]

lets not pretend ceratos and dilos can not run rounds around a stego

[north hazel]

i will give you 100$

[north hazel]

sure

[wooden agate]

is it harder than what it would be for an animal their size? sure

but both can effectively deal with stego

omnis are decent at it if their pounce is working + they're decent at omni

especially when you need 4 omnis to pin stego once its below 20% stam

troodons can be pretty effective as well, but you do need a decent sized pack so id be willing to admit troodon is a little bit of a stretch

[north hazel]

you know stego oneshot every dino you told me ??

[wooden agate]

its less about animal tiers and moreso what your animal is equipped to handle

troodon? omni? dilo? they all have mechanics and playstyles that allow them to deal with stego

[wooden agate]

are you incapable of being a skilled player and not getting hit

well you are but like, the general playerbase

of course stego is going to one shot you

its not MEANT to be a safe or low risk hunt

you are going after an apex

its going to hit like an apex

[desert arch]

Theres a whole youtube channel dedicated to soloing apexes as a cera 😭

Especially stegos

[wooden agate]

dilos are so underrated for stego murder

get one or two headbites on a stego at night and that thing is DEAD if your clones are working

[paper galleon]

only a dibble kills it and because is very strong (3 tons and 275 bite force?????????), the trike is an apex so we know very well that it can

[wooden agate]

if you ignore literally everything ive said after that then why even respond

[paper galleon]

let's not pretend that if you have hands (it's obvious that you don't) you can't kill them because they kill you with 1 hit and literally with patience you will be able to hit them

[paper galleon]

I kill omnis in bites with the stego, what are you telling me if you don't know how to play XDD

[north hazel]

show me one video that you have recorded that shows that you said its true

[paper galleon]

dont need stam because only bite them XD

[north hazel]

it is not valid and oopinion of a guy that dont show any argument of what is saying

[paper galleon]

I remind you, stego IS NOT AN APEX XD

[paper galleon]

so it doesn't hit like an apex, that's why the trike hits like an apex and can kill a stego because the stego IS NOT AN APEX XD

[wooden agate]

https://youtu.be/b90KLKsG4Q0?si=pSes8dDXGguNj_Uc

[north hazel]

The opinion of a YouTube video that you don't know if it's prepared and that everything is agreed upon for the YouTube video is not valid, since I know many people do that.

[paper galleon]

it is impossible to have a discussion to balance the game if only people who want to be calm with their immortal stego and herbi players

[wooden agate]

thats why it was buffed to contend with apexes (its powerswing is FOR rex)?

thats why, when apexes were planned to not be on officials, stego was planned to be removed from officials when apexes dropped?

[wooden agate]

"opinion" its video proof. you asked for proof. watch the gameplay.

[paper galleon]

that the stego doesn't know how to play is of little use to me, simply if the stego doesn't know how to play you can kill him, I have killed dibbles with carno, but that doesn't mean carno can, but that the dibble didn't know how to play, it's that simple

[wooden agate]

"stego is unkillable"
"well ok dibble can kill it"
"ok well cera CAN kill it but only with a skill issue!"

pick a lane and stay in it

[junior nymph]

allo is 1.0 growth scale carno btw 🙂

[pliant elm]

@paper galleon Allo will not be faster than Carno

[junior nymph]

bite damage is carnos weight is carnos 1.0 scale speed is carno the only difference is the bugged out agility and pounce

[paper galleon]

obviously, but what's the point of having more speed if you'ren't going to kill anything? With the ambush the allo can reach the prey it needs, it doesn't have to be faster than carno

[paper galleon]

and?

[junior nymph]

its carno stats

[pliant elm]

Well, I agree. Carno is in a pathetic state current

[junior nymph]

all this is just carno lmao

its a placeholder since thats what you do when you start making a animal

[pliant elm]

"small prey hunter" It's stupid and will make Carno forgetful

[paper galleon]

NO NO NO, say what you want, I'll summarize it here very well because it seems like you don't realize it:

• stego is only killed by dibble because he is too strong (stats too strong when he shouldn't)
• trike can obviously kill a stego, but that's why the stego has more speed, so he's never going to kill you if you have the neuron on
• a cera kills you if instead of playing with the stego you start looking at the landscape, obviously I can kill a deino with a newborn utah if the deino doesn't hit me even once because it's the first time he plays the game, It's normal, it's not skill, it's just that the deino doesn't know how to play, there isn't any, it's simply learning to play (like stego players)

[paper galleon]

they are saying that the allo is very strong and the carno is good, what are you telling me?

[wooden agate]

so in conclusion, stego is not unkillable

im glad we came to that conclusion

[paper galleon]

yup

[north hazel]

yep and with beipe i can killed a rex

in conclusion

[junior nymph]

im just saying allo has carno stats so like yeah things will change on release so theres no real point on talking about it ||you know since we arent even meant to have allo||

[wooden agate]

i mean if you can seriously sit here and stare at how many stegos die to ceratos/dilos/omnis and still say stego is unkillable

i really just dont know what to say there lol

like something isnt clicking and im not going to be the one to find the piece that makes it click. there is a purposeful ignoring of information that i rather not deal with

[paper galleon]

nooo, it can only be killed by something that is very strong like dibble (which needs nerf, but you are mononeuronal and you don't realize it) and you cry because the carno is fine, the cera too but the allo is very strong because maybe your stego and your dibble kill, right?

[paper galleon]

it doesn't matter, the conclusion is that they are saying that the stats there are very strong but the rest of the dinos have good or bad stats are saying that they are fine

[north hazel]

@wooden agate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjB-gGvQgH0

see that and later told me

[junior nymph]

im so confused so I might aswell not talk

[paper galleon]

what do you want me to tell you, learn to play if you die with the stego against a cera, there is no other, there are pvp servers, there you will learn, try to bite against a utah, you will see how it works better

[paper galleon]

talking about allo gives me the opportunity to discuss the imbalance of the game, since most say that the stats of allo are very strong, but dibble and stego aren't because they can die, allo could also die, but that doesn't mean that their stats are bad

[limber hull]

allo is also not complete

very important note there ey

[paper galleon]

the dibble and the stego do

[elfin willow]

Stego isn't unkillable but saying it's underpowered is a huge stretch.

Stego is easy asf to play IMO. The powerswing hitbox can hit right infront of its face even though the animation sometimes only swings to the side. You gotta be small brain to die to a pack of carnies since powerswing one shots a fair amount of creatures, if not putting them on immediate red on a body hit.

[elfin willow]

I keep seeing allo videos were the turn is just instant when running. No turn circle - bro literally just presses another key and does a complete 360 in under a second. 😭 Rex looks way more complete than allo at this point (from what I've seen)

[north hazel]

@wooden agate see the video

@wooden agate ??

[stuck imp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1022555993088987218/1223040262964510771/attachment-2-5.gif

[paper galleon]

man, first person to say something decent and with neurons, @wooden agate are also going to tell him that the stego can be killed and the allo cannot be killed because he has very strong stats for your poor stego that literally your stego can kill him with 2 or 3 hits because have a lot of damage?

[wooden agate]

my god

[wooden agate]

no one said allo could not be killed

we said allo being 50 km and having pin is unbalanced as hell and theres absolutely no reason to think its anything close to final

[paper galleon]

@wooden agate if you only say that, it is normal that the game is not balanced, I am not talking about carnivores being able to kill everything, I am talking about everything having to be able to be killed in their respective ranks, it does not seem bad to me that cera can kill a dibble, but It does seem bad to me that carno can't kill cera and that dibble has very strong stats it's like people who complain that the stego can't kill the trike, it's that he shouldn't kill it

[paper galleon]

ups, sorry

[wooden agate]

its ok it was just shocking to come back to

[paper galleon]

it is well known that his pin is not finished, he is not going to have that pin

[wooden agate]

i had like 2 discord notifs and then all of a sudden i have 8 😭 i thought something happened

[wooden agate]

allo is confirmed to have a pin

its entire thing is grapple/pins

honestly im expecting allo to be around cerato speed with it reaching pachyish speeds IF it gets an ambush (which im not expecting)

i imagine allo ambushes will come more from how its pin works, as we can see the beginnings of the mechanic take hold now and its actually really well suited for ambushes without a speed boost

[paper galleon]

yes, but not the one he has right now, it's still 2.5 tons, the stego can kill an allo with 2 or 3 hits since it does 1,8k damage, doesn't that also seem very strong to you?, tell me how you can kill the stego if not?

[wooden agate]

i dont think allo should be 1v1ing stego, but two allos could do pretty well against a stego due to their grapple

one on each side holding onto the stego and the stego is real close to being pinned

[limpid bear]

yes i agree although there will be some

[wooden agate]

yah there will definitely be some super skilled allos doing it, i agree

[paper galleon]

do you know that the allo had good speed in real life and that having bad speed being a large dino that can be seen from a long distance will make it unable to do anything? greater weight does not always mean less speed

[paper galleon]

yeah

[wooden agate]

i understand that, but IRL estimates/facts rarely translate into game. general balance comes before staying true to life

having allo be slightly faster than cerato could be fine, and allow it to pursue for short distances alongside still encouraging its "wait and pounce" lifestyle that seems to be shaping up for it

[limpid bear]

i saw someone the other day saying carno should be able to charge allo 😭

[elfin willow]

Tbh i think it is going to be challenging for two allos to pin a stego just because one is going to have to be on either side of them. I think if an allo attempts to pounce, stego powerswing will stop the action and negate it - making it difficult for 2 allos to actually even be on a stego at the same time.

[pliant elm]

This is true. Carno in real life weighed about 2 tons and hunted baby sauropods and other larger things, while Cerato weighed about 900 kg and was humiliated by Allo

[wooden agate]

it'll be a battle of endurance at first, i agree

the allos will likely have to bait several powerswings from the stegos, only going in for headbites when they're sure they can to apply some pressure

once the stego is below 20% stam? or even better, forced to just use its alt swing? allo can clear, easily

just have to be a little bit more careful and plan out the hunt a bit, and know when to cut your loses

stego not being baited very often? seemingly has tactile endurance? move on, find something else

not in like a "lol ur bad" way, but in a "the odds are not in your favor, for the sake of survival try something else" way

[elfin willow]

Yes. Tbh with how dogged on stego is getting (not right now, I think right now stego is completely fine) but with release of rex and allo, stego is going to actually require brain cells to play. I want the mechanic to be 2 allos can pin a stego beneath 20%-30% stam but over 20%-30% they can pin for a second or two before the stego is able to get up and try to fight back.

[paper galleon]

that's what I mean, now you start looking at the cera and you see that it can kill almost all the herbs if you know how to play, but the carno no matter how much you know how to play and the opponent too, will never be able to because its spin is terrible and its charged attack doesn't work, if you knock him down on top of that, you can forget because the carno doesn't have much weight and his bleeding goes down very quickly (against a dibble that can make its attack loaded, it's still very difficult for it to kill him and he can die if you don't play it well since the dibble has a lot of damage).
it is for hunting small prey but 2 dilos can easily kill a carno if they know how to play it, carno is now impossible to kill a cera when it has a body next to it, tell me how funny that is?

[elfin willow]

I fought 2 carnos as a 15% trike. I knocked one down twice, thrashed twice and bro had to turn on hacks to kill me, even with another carno helping him. 😭 was lowkey sad LMAO. Carno is in a super iffy spot right now. (At my weight I think they were able to ram / charge me just fine tho)

[paper galleon]

he needs to eat a lot and believe me, giving him little speed will make it very easy to escape from him and he will almost never be able to kill a carnivore

[paper galleon]

just people who haven't played the game XDDD

[paper galleon]

true, remember the pounce is still bugged

[wooden agate]

well thats the thing though, and really the general point of this i think

if we look purely at stats, of course stego is unkillable to a large portion of the roster. but stats only tell a small story, and dont take into account the DOZENS of factors that can effect the outcome of a fight.

What are their mutations?
Do they have perfect diet?
Are they fully grown?
How skilled are they in this playable?
What is the weather?
What time of day is it?
How hungry are you/your opponent?

stats just dont tell enough to really come to a conclusion of anything, especially when theyre very early placeholders in the development process

which is to say, i wouldnt worry about carno when allo drops

carno players who want a big powerful midtier will get allo, and those who enjoy the small game hunter lifestyle will have carno

[limpid bear]

nah just silly newbies with no clue

[elfin willow]

I also have noticed tactile endurance does very little at times for bigger herbivores. I was bitten like 3x by a cerato on my butt as a trike and had tactile - I didn't even notice the stam difference! But with tenon, 3 bites from a cera I'm back to 70% stam ATLEAST. 😂

[wooden agate]

it scales with damage so the cerato may have been hitting tail shots?

[paper galleon]

there must be prey that is easy to hunt, it will probably happen to him like the utah, you will need to give him 2 pounce to knock down the stego

[wooden agate]

its possible though, i havent done enough with tactile to really know how it works

[elfin willow]

Yeah I didn't realize it scales w/ dmg. He mighta been I don't recall. He was nervous to even bite those times because he had to trade me. I think they mighta been body hits but they were normal bites, not charged.

[wooden agate]

there will be, for sure. there wont only be stegos around, and worst comes to worst? you'd still be faster than a large number of juvenile/subadult large animals at ceratos speed, which will be far easier for you. the challenge is simply finding them

[paper galleon]

exactly, I want the game not to be boring if it plays x dino, I want it to be a challenge for survival, because that's what the game is about, if I choose stego knowing that they only kill me if I don't know how to play it It will be very easy for me to kill everything and it will be boring to play because I will never die

[wooden agate]

a sub adult stego is EASY pickings for 2 allos because you will flat out just pin it

so as an adult, stego will still have a sense of security

but as for growing a stego? your life just became ALOT more dangerous

[paper galleon]

yeah, its sad

[elfin willow]

I can't say I am not bias tbh, because stego has ruled evrima for so long (idc what people say, even before power swing I played stego. They were literally flying off cliffs to die because they were still untouchable unless they were just dumb ahh) . Stego has had this coming for a long time. They are STILL a huge risk fighting because the power swing hitbox is so iffy sometimes and never even got fixed. 😭

Lots of stego mains upset that they can't fight 1v1 trike and win (unless the trike is a dummy).

[paper galleon]

come on, let's answer your questions:
imagine any dino at 100% against stego at 100%, stego only has tactile endurance, you don't care about everything else, stego recovers stam every time he takes damage, having so much life and how he can hit many loaded hits before staying without stam, it means that it will never run out of stam (the only one that doesn't work is the utah, since it doesn't bite)
if you don't know how to play you learn and nothing happens, but once you know how to play you don't care about the rest, you are going to kill him, it's just patience, the moment you know that if you are patient the enemy will die, you will stay calm and that's it

[paper galleon]

too

[paper galleon]

it depends on the damage they do to you, if they give you a charged bite, by doing 300 damage, you recover more stam than if they give you a normal bite, which is 150 damage, obviously the ceras can't always give you a charged attack while vs a teno if they have more opportunities

[paper galleon]

and now is when we talk about what dinos have here right now in the game, you put a stego that until now was impossible to kill (just because dibble made it very strong), no one complained about it, now an allo will be very strong and everyone the world to cry, the answer? would they have taken into account which ones to tell us to put in and which ones not to at the beginning of the game, put a herbi dino and another carniv of the same tier that can kill it, the reality is that the allo can kill many dinos, but that is what cera does, you just have to look for the dino and chase it until you kill it, although it is more difficult for him, That's why they have put up so many bushes, so that the small dinosaurs hide, you have to use your head and look where you are going, that's a survival game and the game the isle is trying to sell.
it isn't realistic that a mid tier dino can't kill a slower low tier dino, you can't slow down the rest of the mid/high dinos because then the maia should be 30 km/h

[paper galleon]

Welcome to the isle, now tell me, a carno with the same grow will die, a cera too, is that what it is, the difference? herbs have it easier because they only have to look for a place where there is a diet or wait hidden eating grass. while a newborn carnivore has to kill a dino to eat, it can't hide.
Even so, a sub adult stego has a lot of damage, it could try to kill an allo if it doesn't play it well, even if it is smaller it will still have good damage

[paper galleon]

yeah, and now the moment a carnivore is "strong" they start crying a lot, it is unfair and it is also hypocritical, I don't want a carnivore dino to be immortal either, but I don't want there to be an immortal herb either, but it can't be that they want to be immortal, make sure that the rest of the dinos can't kill them and that on top of that they can kill trikes and other apex when a stego isn't an apex, it's ridiculous

[junior nymph]

@west bough what server were you on

[west bough]

na2

[junior nymph]

I think its accidentally disabled

[west bough]

Oh.. 😦 any ideas of when will get back?

[junior nymph]

@clear saddle how did you sit for 10 minutes?

[clear saddle]

🤷‍♀️ Sat for a hot minute while my stam regened, came back after AFKing because I knew it'd take a while.

[junior nymph]

those are the stams of each animal

[clear saddle]

I see, appreciated!

[junior nymph]

alg!

[clear saddle]

; Still a little silly to make one expend all their stam just to get up a rock to use something that's supposed to aid with not wasting stam trying to climb higher, no?

[junior nymph]

yeah

[tall vine]

@vivid mason btw about our conversation earlier about troodon being or not being intended by the devs to be big game hunter, then tell me why if they intend for it to be, as u said, can't they pick organs from a big body or eat them directly from the belly of the carcass? I rest my case.

[vivid mason]

Because every dinosaur can’t drag organs and only grab them? Literally everything suffers from that, Omni packs can hunt a Rex or trike and not be able to take organs from them

It’s a mechanic issue, not a troodon issue

Troodon IS a big game hunter, and dragging organs should be a thing

[wooden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/that-part-what-they-said-well-agreed-yes-gif-14214667

[lunar mirage]

DOES POPULAR OPINION MATTER ? we shall seee

[paper galleon]

the day a group of utahs kill you while you're a rex, could you share it? To make us all laugh and teach you how to play the game, which wouldn't be bad, how do you expect a custom made little dino to kill small animals and babies to kill something big? You simply want the troodon to have a mechanic with a stupid argument simply because you want it to be that way if you had told me that it is to be able to take advantage of large bodies since it is impossible to open them, a mechanic in which they open the body and you can see the organs and can eat without removing them would be good, but that you want me to be able to remove them because you want to kill large prey It's just stupid, congratulations if you've killed any, but that only indicates that most of them don't know how to play directly (in case you want to reopen the conversation, NO, the troodon is not made to hunt large prey, that's how the devs want it and that's perfect)

[vivid mason]

troodon IS made to hunt large prey what 💀

[paper galleon]

?XD

[vivid mason]

in its concept art, we see it taking on a teno
in its teaser, we see it taking on and killing a teno
in the trailer we also see it kill a 1.8T carno

its BEEN a large game hunter

not to mention it has stego, maia, teno, and many big things on it diet

[paper galleon]

carno has maia in it's diet and don't see it killing maias, regardless of what has been shown, in the reality of the game it cannot kill adults, only small animals, at most it can kill utahs, they haven't made any changes to be able to kill such large animals, it's obvious that this isn't the intention for now

[loud sierra]

#general-feedback message A.i should drink

[pliant elm]

Troodon is a hunter of large prey, he has the ability to do this in groups and even solo if the prey is very bad at playing (I've killed Maia, Diablo, Carno, Cerato, Dilo playing solo with Troodon)

It's quite obvious that Troodon is this considering all the circumstances, especially the addition of stego to its diet

[paper galleon]

I know it can, but we're back to the same thing, with beipi I can kill a maia if I put my mind to it and the enemy doesn't know how to play, but that doesn't mean I'm cut out for that, it's as if you were telling me that utah can kill a rex, of course but the amount of time it will take and the utahs that will die while you try to kill it makes it not worth it (as long as the rex is bad, if he knows how to play I find it complicated, even he dont know, the amount of stamina you will need is stupid, maybe you'll starve before you kill him), but it'sn't designed for that.
carno has maia in it's diet and it's because it can hunt it when maia is small. I also think that it should have all the diets for it to be a scavenger as it is such a small dino that it can't hunt anything at birth

[latent olive]

“carno has Maia in its diet and I don’t see it killing maias”

juveniles and sub adults exist

I’ve killed both when playing as a carno

[paper galleon]

keep reading and you will see that I will just say that later, he says that troodon has stego in diet and that it can against very big people, but I have told him that it is probably to kill them when they are children :))

[supple pine]

Thank you! I think it’s been long enough to repost my “Let Dryo Farm” page too.

[pliant elm]

Dude, a group of troodon can kill a trike 100%

[paper galleon]

and with a beipi too

[pliant elm]

Even if the trike plays well, it will still be killed

[pliant elm]

Beipi can't do that even playing against the worst player xd

[paper galleon]

of course can, it spins better than the trike, if you put your mind to it you can perfectly if you don't starve before, the good thing is that the trike won't go very far

troodon can too, but how long will it take?

[pliant elm]

I'm not saying that Troodon can only do this against bad players, even experienced players die to groups of Troodon. And guess why? Because he's a large prey hunter, like Omni

It's not hard to understand lol

[paper galleon]

they are very small and spin very well, it's that simple, you can't kill something you don't see

it'sn't hard to understand, right?

[pliant elm]

Yes, let's completely forget about Troodon's venom, which was made exactly for this

[thick cipher]

How do I report a hacker?

[paper galleon]

we forget that as if that weren't enough, it is small and can be easily lost, its poison makes it even more invisible with the new fog on the ground, although it already had a fog in the distance that was quite good for it.
we also forget that its damage is minuscule against any large dino, it takes a long time to kill it for that reason, while the enemy kills you with 1 hit, if we put our mind to it a herrera can also kill a deino

[paper galleon]

there is a channel for each server, tag official server admin and say which exact server you found it on, what dino it is and what hack it has, but don't say what position it is in because they can ban you

[thick cipher]

How do I find my server?

[pliant elm]

Playing blind won't help you friend xd

[paper galleon]

When an attempt is made to apply a general rule to all situations when clearly there are exceptions to the rule. Simplistic rules or laws rarely take into consideration legitimate exceptions, and to ignore these exceptions is to bypass reason to preserve the illusion of a perfect law. People like simplicity and would often rather keep simplicity at the cost of rationality.

I am taking into account dino and its poison and at no time have I told any lies, make yourself look at you if you try to put a phrase that can be used against absolutely everything because you feel identified

[paper galleon]

there is a channel for each server, eu, na, ca, au, sa, simply press tab and you will see the name of the server on the right above, surely the first thing that will appear is one of these acronyms, it has to be an official server, if It's an unofficial server, the admin is in charge of that server

[paper galleon]

what do you mean? If you don't see the dino that they can't kill you, it's that simple, you just need time and you will kill it, many troodons have attacked me and they have only killed me when I was little or when I was in red after a fight (killing an adult dino after a fight doesn't mean that the troodon can kill them, he has simply used strategy and logic knowing that this dino doesn't have much life)
tell me how you kill something you can't see?

[pliant elm]

Troodon is agile, fast, and has the venom to kill large creatures, but this obviously requires skillful play. A group of 10 Troodons can kill anything if played correctly, regardless of whether the prey is a good player or not

It's like Omni, coordination and patience

And the troodon is not invisible, for me it is completely visible

[paper galleon]

we aren't just talking about whether it is visible or not, but that it enters a bush and can't be seen, the troodon hitbox is very small and is difficult to hit, in addition to the fact that the fog on the floor of the poison makes nothing visible, here is a photo of a stego when they put the poison in it, you will tell me that it is night and that is why I don't see well, but let me tell you that it was daytime and it looked perfect, if you don't believe me, try it

it's a real photo, I took it myself

[pliant elm]

This is a bug

[paper galleon]

if it were a bug, why hasn't it been patched in quite some time?

[pliant elm]

I have the same question with Cerato

[paper galleon]

when it is fixed, I will accept that it is a bug, in the same way what I have told you is totally valid, for me it is easy to kill troodons, so I don't care much

[pliant elm]

Don't expect anything to be fixed quickly lol

[paper galleon]

they fixed the cera and it didn't take long, but this "bug" has been around for a long time now

even if it's a bug or not, the fog makes you see nothing and everything looks very dark, you can't see well

you can't kill what you can't see

[pliant elm]

That's the purpose of the fog, it's just bugged now. I can see what it should be like for you, with just some fog on the ground

[pliant elm]

And no, they didn't fix Cerato, it's even more buggy after the last update

[paper galleon]

still, it's more than enough that you can't kill him because you don't see him

[paper galleon]

it couldn't be knocked down by a teno and now it is possible

[olive cargo]

devs you guys need to hurry up and fix fish spawns, or get rid of all safe drinking spots so croc is actually able to play

instead of trying to keep the game playable youre drawing elder versions of dinosaurs we cant even use like thats any amount of help or good for the community right now.

cannibalism with crocs is so high and stupid because you cant figure out how to add things that swim and you keep adding small ponds all across the map that cant be accessed by croc so there is 0 incentive to even go anywhere near the river system, SP river etc. just remove croc if you dont want it to be playable

[loud sierra]

"cannibalism with crocs is so high", working as intended.

[olive cargo]

cannibalism will be there with them but if food sources were working as intended then you wouldnt be killed by every croc you see

[loud sierra]

Even if fish were abundant I'd still KoS every other deino because they're competition for food, and if one deino gets spotted then your hunting spot is compromised

[ebon elbow]

@quartz meteor 100% agree with what you describe regarding deinosuchus-- ive given feedback about these exact same things.

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message cant lie only time I want spiro to come back is if they completely redo the map and make it temperate

[limber hull]

temperate spiro

two of my least fave things combined

[junior nymph]

lol

[urban flax]

Cold spiro then
Perfect environment for the upcoming yutyrannus

[junior nymph]

lol

at the low cost of $9.99

[latent olive]

@hexed aspen 1. thats because the ingame allosaurus is literally barebones, its using carno's stats, animations, and omniraptor's pounce

2. axe bite was deconfirmed as a technique like 15 years ago, maybe even 20

axe bite wouldnt even make sense from a morphological sense

whats the point of having bottom jaws then

[junior nymph]

@hexed aspenthe axe bite is super outdated as owlenstein said

[urban flax]

And it also looks stupid

[hidden pilot]

Ark allo is the only good looking axe bite

[junior nymph]

@quasi flare put them on static

it fixes the issue

[hidden pilot]

They look like clouds to me

[limpid bear]

I love Ava

[vestal chasm]

Dose anyone else agree that the birds need better stamina/stamina control

[limpid bear]

just shorter stam regen

[vestal chasm]

Idk I just feel that the hole point of playing them is to fly they don’t do very much they aren’t strong they don’t have much health so I just wish I could fly longer I don’t mean like you can fly for hours but just a little fix would be nice

[limpid bear]

i play ptera to explore so stam would be nice

[limpid bear]

the rework is only partially complete btw

[vestal chasm]

Ya I just hope they fix it bc from what ik about them is they where able to fly for a long time carrying themselves on wind currents so it would even be more realistic if they could fly longer and it really is they only reason to play it

[junior nymph]

flight rn is bugged so yeah

[vestal chasm]

I have noticed that where I would be gliding and the stamina would go down like if I was sprinting or flying upwards

[junior nymph]

yep

[vestal chasm]

But that only happens sometimes

[junior nymph]

along with momentum being completely bugged

[vestal chasm]

Ya I just hope it gets fixed bc they are my all time favourites Dino

[limpid bear]

i hate to be that guy but ptera aint a dino

[vestal chasm]

Will still it’s my favourite and I hope it gets better lol

[limpid bear]

being a dino nerd is tough in the 21st century 😭

[paper galleon]

@toxic wren it would make sense if the pounce didn't spend so much stamina, plus that will cause the utahs to kill even less prey since they spend a lot of stam for the pounce, they have to wait for the enemy to bleed out and use the little stam they have left to bite

[minor field]

Me too

[limpid bear]

yk what hell yeah #Avaisthenextapex

[long edge]

@pliant elm I just looked at your feedback and oh my gosh i still remember this, I was one of the stegos!!! Most of us were in vc and I remember us all laughing about the carno being so shocked. Haha the odds are crazy.

[ornate pewter]

While the new Ptera take off is a pain, it was not long ago when I started playing. And honestly, as a complete noob to them, I tapped spacebar expecting it to flap and bring flight.

It took a bit before I realized all I had to do was hold it.

I guess what I'm saying is, the new take off seems more intuitive, and makes Ptera more approachable.

[full pewter]

Why not just keep both though?

[ornate pewter]

That's very true. I think the new takeoff is a good idea, but you're right, there's nothing preventing both.

Pteranodon has a fairly difficult learning curve with its flight mechanics, stamina, and current fish spawn issues. It needs all the help it can get.

[full pewter]

Ptera having better stam regen would seriously solve many of its issues, and I hate that some people are looking at changing everything else about it or around it (like adding thermals) just to make this stam regen work, and encourage people to manage their stam well… I guess….. just make its stam regen better! I can list a bunch of other ways to make Ptera gameplay harder but not annoying besides insufferable stam regen