general-feedback-discussion

[nova river]

Found out it was a bug, and not real...

[icy lion]

Like I said, it slipped in. It wasn't meant to go out in the patch but got through because it was being tested privately

[icy lion]

That doesn't contradict what I said?

[nova river]

bug doesnt seem like a test

idk, just a game glitch with buffs

[icy lion]

It was being tested internally, but wasn't set up completely and not meant to have gone out with the patch

[sudden hinge]

I know it just doesn’t matter in the context of the statements I made lol like tracking is all the same for species anyways ceras can only smell bodies farther that’s it

[frail jewel]

i think some creatures are actually better at tracking than others but i could be wrong

either way cerato should have a good tracking range i mean it has a powerful nose so it just makes sense

[bronze niche]

this

[queen walrus]

<@&933486433342222376> warn @frozen ingot for posting something irrelevant in #general-feedback , thanks

<@&933486433342222376> Inappropriate words in the gif

<@&933486433342222376> Inappropriate comments

🙂

[frail jewel]

what did bro do 😭

buddy must have committed actual warcrimes to get that reaction

[queen walrus]

yea his messages got deleted anyway, along with his suggestions

https://tenor.com/view/msdeemena-gif-2680941102378878251

@grizzled bluff i agree, they couldn't have made the grass less elegant

used to be better looking before

[azure pond]

True, but it looks more prehistoric now. The issue is, on the lore side, humans created that island in present day so you're right

[queen walrus]

idc about lore

current grass makes no logical sense

how tf do these devs manage to make grass taller and harder to hide in at the same time

[pliant elm]

I didn't really understand this either. My green troodon hide very well in the old grass but is now completely noticeable with the tall grass xd

[azure pond]

FR. They made it taller but more spread out

Spread out is a less viable option for hiding

[queen walrus]

you mean less viable?

[azure pond]

thank you i mean less

[queen walrus]

@vapid basalt what a lovely followup

lets tell em

[vapid basalt]

Sorry if I sounded rude, I'm a little angry for personal reasons, I'll change my tone

[queen walrus]

no

[queen walrus]

dont change the post it's peerfect

[elfin willow]

no you weren't rude, you were truthful/accurate,

[vernal jacinth]

@azure pond you just disable DLSS and it fixes that

[azure pond]

I like more frames better

[bronze niche]

fr jesus christ 💀

[frail jewel]

wait bro got banned i think

[bronze niche]

probably

[cosmic lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IohT-MK7rqM please for the love of God this is Game breaking stuff just fix it

[cosmic lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-gif-5787388

[chilly ermine]

@lost marsh That bug you posted 👀 have you officially reported it yet?

[lost marsh]

yes

[chilly ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/smh-eyeroll-gif-5637372828311539729

[quick halo]

Fix the developers priorities.
Stop continue to develop and focus on all new things and focus more on fixing current issues! I know I'ts not the most fun part but sometimes "less is more" and all the time spent on doing some stuff like adding a million stones, changing up the "sand roads" to roads that now has more polygons to render that looks like :/ is not needed. We don't need 200 thousand bushes rendering and the sound moving through a bush explode peoples ears..
PRIORITIES PLEASE ❤️

[queen nymph]

Deino needs a huge fix, there is no where near enough food for a deino to live. and with how bad the spawns are, it is damn near impossible to get a fg and stay alive. Ive got down all of water access river to swamps and have found 1 singular school fish, and no elite fish. put that with the fact the a fg croc gets barely 1% from an elite fish, unless u get fed food, its not possible to live. please fix fish spawns its unbearable

[normal shuttle]

this has been going on for a while

surprised people started noticing now

[normal shuttle]

we all know deino is the worst playable in the game and has been for a while

it is getting a rework

after ptera

[queen nymph]

ik the devs arent the best but having an apex be literally unplayable for a month is just not a good look for the game

[fading grail]

have any devs given a reasoning for the small shallow ponds added? I get that they thought some places needed drinking spots but making them too shallow for even small deinos just seems wrong

[normal shuttle]

deino is fundamentally bad by design

[normal shuttle]

idm the middle finger to deinos

the world is better off without them and with people playing actual dinosaurs

[fading grail]

I've never and likely will never play deino but I understand their frustration still

[normal shuttle]

(= no amount of buffing will save it from being disliked or underwhelming)

[queen nymph]

Literaly every update is just destroying deinos playablity even more unplayable. now with tiny ponds to drink out of including the many glitch spots to drink water. playing deino is Impossible and also useless. u literally wont kill anything unless theyre dumb

[fading grail]

you seem rather inconsiderate

[queen nymph]

its not even a buff to character design they just need to stop adding things to the map that just rail the deino

[normal shuttle]

it's funny because the new map changes are good for everyone else, especially carno and rex

While deino needs an entire map catering to it like in Spiro

it needs the rework badly, because it's either unplayable or annoyingly overpowered

[fading grail]

Deino is literally one of the best additions to evrima, adds so much to drinking water

not anymore with the garantueed safe drinking spots

[normal shuttle]

gambling or cheesing players is not a good addition

Deino is trash design wise lmao

[fading grail]

what are you even referring to with "gambling or cheesing"

[queen nymph]

just get rid of the safe drinking spots and tiny puddles of water and deino is playable again. also theres a 20% chance u make it past 30% with fish being 1/1000 to see lmao

[normal shuttle]

With deino you either have/had to gamble your multi hour growth dinosaur in order to fill up your water once, as there is zero way of seeing or hearing a lurking deino while they can see and hear you

Or you just drink behind a rock or somewhere super shallow and there's nothing the other player can do. They must cry about it as they completely rely on being noob stompers

Oh wow, engaging and interesting gameplay

[queen nymph]

what the hell is this even supposed to prove

[normal shuttle]

Yeah let's just make drinking a gamble like in basically all of spiro

such a good idea

[queen nymph]

dog there is no mix. deinos literally cant kill anything due to safe drinking spots

there should be a max of 1 or 2 on the whole map

literally every river/pond has one

drinking water is supposed to be risky

[normal shuttle]

that deino's design is fundamentally flawed as it has basically no variety, has no true agency over what it can eat (whereas other pure ambushers do) or if there's no safe spots then it is unfair to the other players

[queen nymph]

deino is an apex for a reason

its supposed to be powerful lmao

[normal shuttle]

if it was actually risky and not unfair it would be okay. But with deino having zero indicators, we're better off with deino dying in a corner

[queen nymph]

drinking isnt supposed to be free to do

[fading grail]

I feel like south plains is a good example of a good river, 1 spot thats safer but not completely so you still feel that nervousness

[normal shuttle]

it should be powerful, just not a cheap death for people who could not even see or hear it coming as it sprints in a straight line

[queen nymph]

u just have to play on map knowledge, knowing where most deinos arent

[queen nymph]

dog in prehistoric times u think mfs could hear a deino crawling up to them

its the whole point of a deino

to sneak on unsuspecting victims swimming or drinking water

[normal shuttle]

how is it not safe? No deino will ever catch you if you are behind that rock unless you are the most incompetent player ever

[normal shuttle]

"dog" this is a game and needs balance

I couldn't care less about realism, and so don't the devs funnily enough

That's why it is getting a rework

and also it will be getting mechanics to discourage people from always camping shallow ponds

[fading grail]

you are so closeminded and inconsiderate theres no point arguin with you ur like a brick wall

[normal shuttle]

Well, what else do you propose?

You just said something that is flat out wrong. How the hell are you getting caught by a deino in the waterfall safe drinking spot?

They have to go completely around it as a 18kph crocodile with negative agility

[queen nymph]

the balance of a deino is that they can’t always be every where

and there’s a limited amount due to the 100 player count

[fading grail]

watch any deino video at the sputh plains, people still get caught there, yea you may say its because theyre bad but theres tons of people that are "bad players"

in ur eyes

[normal shuttle]

that's not good balance and nothing in the game abides by that

Look, I will implement yutyrannus and make it the most rampantly overpowered medium sized carnivore ever who also has a charge attack where it divebombs you at mach 2

The balance is that not always it is there. You can go to places with less players

[queen nymph]

bro what are u actually even trying to prove here

[urban flax]

Deino is just a map knowledge check
There is NOTHING else to it

[normal shuttle]

yeah there's in fact many terrible players in the community. Mostly because they are new

[normal shuttle]

^^^^

[normal shuttle]

that "well go to places where there aren't" isn't a good argument for what you are trying to push here

[queen nymph]

go drink at east swamp

[urban flax]

It's not scary, it's not a risk factor, it's not interesting, it's not engaging

It's just "know where the safe drinking spots are or you die"

[queen nymph]

might aswell just take deino out the game then

[normal shuttle]

Yutyrannus just divebombed you at mach 2 and pulverized your dinosaur

You should have gone to east swamp where there are less players and because yuty spawns in sp

[queen nymph]

rivht now it’s a try not to starve simulator turned into spectating people drink simulator

[urban flax]

If it's going to stay how it is ? Might as well, yes, because it provides nothing to the game as it is

But a rework would be better

[normal shuttle]

might as well give it the rework the devs have confirmed

[urban flax]

Exactly, fundamentally bad playable

[queen nymph]

if the devs don’t make the game realistic deino will literally never be useable again

deinos killed things when they were drinking

when they can drink safe

[urban flax]

That's the exact opposite
They need to forego realism in favor of gameplay so deino becomes fun and engaging

[queen nymph]

deino don’t kill. deino don’t kill deino die

[queen nymph]

not even fun and engaging

they need to make him playable

[urban flax]

The issue is, with how deino is currently designed, players NEED to have the option to never, ever meet a deino otherwise they will never be able to grow anything to FG due to how oppressive it is
So it's either deino can't play, either nothing else can play

[normal shuttle]

do you think this is fun and engaging when it happens to something like a dibble or maia? https://youtube.com/shorts/L4ylrrM-93U?si=eokbuFCk62rpos9W

this is what you want

[queen nymph]

i’m so confused dog

that’s like getting mad at a carno killing a cera for food

[normal shuttle]

a world of gambling where hours are invested into losing everything due to a player you cannot hear nor see running in a straight line at you

And all because "you didn't go to the corner of the map to drink bro"

[queen nymph]

it is a risk thing that u rarely get caught up in

[normal shuttle]

so you agree it's gambling?

[queen nymph]

if u can’t deal with wasting 3 hours of ur life because u drank in a bad spot refund the damn game

[urban flax]

Can't tell the difference between playing and gambling ?

[queen nymph]

idk what u brick walls aren’t hearing from my pov

if deinos can’t kill like in that clip

u essentially want the devs to remove the dino from the game

[urban flax]

Idk both of us have been explaining the issue
You haven't given anything to support your point apart that "deino needs to be able to kill"

[normal shuttle]

I guess we should make rex run at 60 kph and have a 6 minute stamina bar as a fg

"You were in a bad spot bro." "Pack up and leave elsewhere bro"

[urban flax]

And none of us is arguing that deino shouldn't be able to kill things
HOW it kills is the issue

[queen nymph]

please explain to me how u want a deino to kill

i’m genuinely concerned for what ur answer is gonna be

[normal shuttle]

or maybe we are proposing that, just like a rex ambush will take skill, so should a deino one

Instead of camping for a while just to then run in a straight line at someone and one tap them while you could perfectly hear and see them approaching

[urban flax]

This feels like saying the same thing over and over again, but we have an example of a well-designed ambusher in the game
Herrera

You can avoid herrera by paying attention and even punish it if its fails its ambush, yet herreras manage to kill things and thrive just fine

[queen nymph]

do u want something that’s 8 tons not be able to pick up 1 ton?

[urban flax]

Other players should have a chance of avoiding getting ambushed if they're prudent and attentive enough

[queen nymph]

this would make sense

[urban flax]

That's not what he said...

[queen nymph]

if they made them more visible when coming out of water

that’s the only logical “nerf” the deino should get

anything other than that is just ruining deino even more

[normal shuttle]

read again what I just said

[urban flax]

My favorite idea so far is to turn lunge into a charged ability
The longer you charge it, the further it goes AND the bigger things you can grab
BUT it makes a subtle noise while it's charging

And if you grab someone before reaching max range, the extra distance is used by the deino to run backwards into the water

I'm also convinced that nerfing deinos ability to kill would actually give them much more chances at catching prey

[queen nymph]

i’m just not seeing the vision tbh

ik they’re not going for realism but the whole deino kit is based on underwater stealth, it sees something to eat. they don’t know it’s there. and it kills it

if u make it so they can know, literally no deino kills will happen

[urban flax]

Because people are always overconfident in themselves
Right now the only way to not get killed by a deino is to drink where there are no deinos, so that's what everyone does
But if people think they have a chance to survive an encounter with a deino, they'll go drink to unsafe spots way more often thinking they can handle it
And some may be able to survive, others will get skill issue'd and deinos will be able to thrive off them

[queen nymph]

i just can’t believe after all these nerfs yall still think it needs nerf

[urban flax]

This is false
People get ambushed by stegos
People would still get ambushed by deinos even if they make noise

[queen nymph]

they don’t drink where they aren’t, they drink where they can’t reach

[queen nymph]

if u hear a hissing noise after dying to a deino u think it’s a different noise or something?

[urban flax]

Much less often ofc, because the average deino player isn't capable of being stealthy if they aren't ciompletely silent and invisible, but that's not necessarily a bad thing

[queen nymph]

after a week any competent person is going to recognize the noise and not drink

[urban flax]

Yet people still get ambushed by stegos

[queen nymph]

that’s the whole point man

[queen nymph]

are they deaf?

[urban flax]

God forbid an apex requires thought to play

[normal shuttle]

if that were true, then people would stop being ambushed by everything

But ambushes still occur

[normal shuttle]

fr 💔

[urban flax]

The average Isle player is just not that great at the game

[queen nymph]

god forbid an apex can kill things 🤯

[urban flax]

No one is arguing against that

[queen nymph]

all i gotta say is deino is all about stealth and yall are complaing abt it

i think yall are just coping at this point

[urban flax]

If "I must actually think so I can secure a kill" means "it's impossible to kill anything" to you then the joke makes itself

[barren crater]

What is the suggestion :o

[queen nymph]

they want deino to be heard when they’re about to lunge

[urban flax]

It's just the usual "deino needs a rework" "but I don't want to require skill to kill things!!!" discussion

[queen nymph]

u literally want to nerf deino to the ground

there’s a difference twin

[urban flax]

Actually it's a buff against anything but hyper-vigilant players

[normal shuttle]

he literally suggested to remove ALL safe spots earlier

I love being unable to play anything but stego, beipi and trike in populated areas consistently

[urban flax]

You forgot deino

[queen nymph]

never said that

i said a few, not one in literally every body of water

it has to be part risk, either walk the extra distance for safe water, or take the risk of dying to a deino

[barren crater]

At this point you can change deino's balance. Make it garbage or OP. Either way I doubt anyone is willing to interact with them though with the new water sources and water related mutations that hard counter deino.

[queen nymph]

liek i said if u can’t handle wasting ur time due to laziness refund the isle

[normal shuttle]

deinos wouldn't be safe either for the most part cuz cannibal pairs

I love being always at the mercy of other players

Growing? You get walked down to death
FG in a hotspot? you can migrate there just to realize you got into a blender as there were already two deinos in that tiny space

[urban flax]

Congrats, that solves absolutely 0 issue

People will keep going to the remaining safe spots, deinos will keep being a terrible animal and starving and everyone will keep hating them

[queen nymph]

i’m just talking to a wall

[urban flax]

Says the guy who buys a dino game just to play as a croc

[normal shuttle]

lol

[queen nymph]

dog u might actually be mentally unstable

it’s in the game i want it to be useable

[urban flax]

Why do you call everyone dog ?

[queen nymph]

sure it was my favorite dino but still

it’s literally not playable atm

[urban flax]

We want it to be useable as well
But not be the only viable thing on the roster like it was on Spiro

[normal shuttle]

how does this even solve anything? Deinos will remain the same.

People will just find the best places to create a hotspot and you will still look at people drinking safely while you cannibalize other deinos 24/7

[urban flax]

Honestly deino populations says otherwise
I still consistently see deinos in every body of water able to host one

[normal shuttle]

people just like their slop ig

Playing deino on the new map is actually insane

[queen nymph]

betting above 30% is a miracle

[normal shuttle]

why do you think that?

[urban flax]

I witness many miracles

[queen nymph]

i shouldn’t be sitting in water access for an hour, and then swimming down the whole damn river to swamps and finding 1 singular school fish and no elite fish

and ur not big enough to kill anything

so u just starve to death

[normal shuttle]

yeah, exactly. And as a small croc you have absolutely zero agency to hunt anything because your kit only makes you functional when you're large

another reason as for why deino is bad

many 20% juvies can still move around and hunt

deino on the other hand must crutch on elite fish for like 3 hours

[queen nymph]

don’t really see why that’s a negative thing exactly?

[queen nymph]

trike walks around eating plants for 10 hours

[normal shuttle]

it's not negative

other juvis having agency is good

[normal shuttle]

and trike is minimally useful after 3 hours or so, and doesn't need to kill to eat

deino on the other hand has nothing in its kit early on to hunt

and it needs something there

[queen nymph]

so they need to fix the fish spawn?

lots of dino’s need to rely on ai for a good chunk of their early growing

[normal shuttle]

or they could also make deino good...

[urban flax]

The need to fix deino so it's an actual playable and not some glorified environmental hazard

[normal shuttle]

so it can hunt players early as well

[queen nymph]

tell me fish spawns are fair rn

[normal shuttle]

I want deino to be good and to be an actually interesting playable

Instead of something that utterly relies on luck its entire life

[queen nymph]

u can’t change an animal because u don’t like its play style

just simply don’t play it, the people that enjoy that stuff want it to be useable

[normal shuttle]

if you like gambling with an apex, then you should be so happy with the current map changes

[cosmic lantern]

i feel constantly trolled by the devs

[normal shuttle]

even more luck involved waiting for someone to drink by!!

isn't that exciting?

[urban flax]

I didn't play any fisher recently so I can't tell
But deino is supposed to be relying on fish anyway

[normal shuttle]

or no, let's just halt the entire development and give people no reason to hang around the amazing new savannah for long

because deino needs its equal attention cake

[urban flax]

What about if it's objectively bad ?

[queen nymph]

so it isn’t supposed to rely on fish, but its main source of hunting isn’t possible with glitched drinking spots

interesting

i think yall just need to sit down and think

[normal shuttle]

ironic

[queen nymph]

yall are just charging back like brainless timmy’s

[urban flax]

What are you trying to say or to make me say here ?

[queen nymph]

that something needs to change to fix deino? context clues twin

[urban flax]

I think you're just constantly forgetting we're actually don't like deino's current state and want it to be playable as much as you do

[queen nymph]

make fish feed u more, remove glitch spots.

[urban flax]

That's not fixing deino

[queen nymph]

i don’t get what u think would fix it then

[normal shuttle]

someone who wants to preserve a playable who relies on luck for finding fish, not getting walked down by larger deinos, finding players to hunt at the right time and right place when safe spots are so popular, and not running into cannibal pairs that will destroy you shouldn't be someone telling others to sit down and think

[urban flax]

Deino remains just as boring and mind-numbing, but now you can eat fish for 12 hours in your lonely life without ever seeing another player

[urban flax]

I think I said it already
Among a few other changes

[cosmic lantern]

look those plant munchers can grass anywhere and we are constantly starving is that so hars to fix

[queen nymph]

u literally can’t do that now

[normal shuttle]

he's talking about your hypothetical

which also does not address the lack of agency deino and its prey have depending on where they drink

[queen nymph]

charanko i need to ask u a question

[cosmic lantern]

shoot

[queen nymph]

is the whole play style of a deino to surprise its prey when they drink/cross water

[normal shuttle]

lol

[queen nymph]

or what it should be/was back in the old times

[cosmic lantern]

eh depends really i played land dino as challenge izt's hard but doable bc of stong biteforce

[normal shuttle]

that won't oppose anything of what we are saying. We want it to be an ambush hunter too

just not one exempt of everything that all other ambush hunters have to abide by

You know, like if this were a game trying to be well designed and balanced!

[queen nymph]

deino lives in water, it’s gonna have a different play style than land abushers

[urban flax]

Herrera is NOT invisible, it's IMPOSSIBLE to ambush as it
Also it even makes NOISE when jumping from one tree to another, that's crazy
Completely unviable anyone, nobody would ever fall for that

[urban flax]

Different doesn't mean "does not abide by the game's universal rules"

[normal shuttle]

and how does that somehow conclude that it should not have roughly equal limitations to those within its same archetype?

[queen nymph]

wym

i mean the mfs 8 tons

[cosmic lantern]

don't bother you wont get any conclusive answer

[grizzled matrix]

Isle players when the giant alligator plays like a giant alligator: 😱

[queen nymph]

this guy gets it

[cosmic lantern]

lol

[urban flax]

Deino players when they're told they should use skill to secure kills : 😭

[queen nymph]

when they aren’t moving and u weigh 8 tons u should need much skill

that’s why a good chunk of their playstyle is luck

and u 2 imbeciles are to brain dead to realize that

[normal shuttle]

right, and it's still an ambush hunter who can end a 3-4 hour run in a single blow

So is it too much to ask for that, just like how everyone else needs to work for an ambush, deino should at least require some thought put into it and so people will stop hating on it and avoiding it like the unbearable plague it is?

[normal shuttle]

^^

[queen nymph]

deino replaces skill with patience

i’m assuming that’s why u guys hate it so much

[urban flax]

Resorting to personal insults sure is a great way to seem smart and senseful

[normal shuttle]

<@&933486433342222376> learn your place buddy

[queen nymph]

if u can’t accept it maybe i do deserve a ban lmao

[urban flax]

And it really helps your point a lot

[queen nymph]

yall are just talking not reading anything im saying

[normal shuttle]

we are

points just fly over your head

[queen nymph]

u simply want deino to be “fair”

[urban flax]

Says the guy who needs to be reminded every 2 messages what our point is

[queen nymph]

ur version of fair is, let everyone know i’m here and pray they don’t hear me

[normal shuttle]

because for some reason "patience" is a good replacement for skill and "just go elsewhere bro" a good argument fot balancing

[urban flax]

What do you think a "subtle" noise is ?

[woven bane]

my alarm clock 6 in the morning

[queen nymph]

i just don’t think a deino sitting still underwater should make a hissing noise when it’s about to attack

[urban flax]

I said "a sound" not necessarily hissing or anything obvious

But if it doesn't, then there should be some other way to allow vigilant people to avoid getting ambushed

You keep saying "that's how it goes in nature !!!" but in nature 90% of crocs ambushes fail

[grizzled matrix]

this is getting nowhere lol

[queen nymph]

dog that is literally the whole god damn point of a croc

[normal shuttle]

In nature crocs tend to be on the surface as opposed to throwing themselves out of completely murky water where the prey cannot see anything while they perfectly know where their target is from 10 meters away

[urban flax]

You're not proving anything, also you're going to get banned

Unless you delete that video real quick

[queen nymph]

dog what

getting banned for giving an example)

[urban flax]

You strike me as someone who doesn't read the rules when they join a discord server

[queen nymph]

do u deadass not have anything better to do?

[urban flax]

What makes you think I'm not doing something else ?

You really should delete it tho

[queen nymph]

fact you’d ban me over “violence” is the most loser thing i’ve seen in a minute

[urban flax]

I can't ban you over anything, but a mod can ban you for breaking server rules twice in a single conversation

[vernal jacinth]

Can’t show animals in duress. Part of the rules. #rules-and-info

[normal shuttle]

what did he post???

oh okay

[urban flax]

Croc snatching an animal

[normal shuttle]

I see

[queen nymph]

don’t we dump hours into a game that’s whole point is that

yall have to be a different type of human

[normal shuttle]

Thought you would be able to distinguish between fictional violence and real one where actual lives are lost

[urban flax]

There is an important difference between a videogame and real-life footage

I'm pretty sure GTA devs wouldn't appreciate if you showed them footage of yourself doing the same things you do in their game irl

[vernal jacinth]

Rules are the rules of the discord. The devs wrote em and everyone has to follow.

[queen nymph]

pretty dumb rule imo

especially since it’s an example but

some people js got nothing better to do than @ a discord mod at 7am

[urban flax]

I don't think it's that hard to refrain from posting videos of animals dying

[urban flax]

An example which serves nothing ??

[queen nymph]

showing how crocs live in the wild?

tap in twin

[urban flax]

You can tell me 95% of people have 5 fingers, then if I post a picture of someone with 6 fingers, does that make the previous statement wrong ?

[queen nymph]

dumbest thing i’ve heard all day

[urban flax]

So you understand how I feel about the video you posted ?

[normal shuttle]

why are you even trying to compare it to irl crocs

[queen nymph]

yea idk man u might be right

[normal shuttle]

this is a game, it needs balancing somehow

[queen nymph]

that quite literally sums up what i’ve been telling both of u

[queen nymph]

if balancing is changing how things are this game will die

[urban flax]

90% of croc ambushes fail, which is a pretty average number in nature
Most predators have a kill rate when hunting that is lower than that

Except for african wild dogs (30% iirc), housecats (30% as well, maybe higher) and dragonflies (smth like 80%)

[vernal jacinth]

It’s funny how the devs say that but every update they do just practically throws the table across the room.

[urban flax]

I'm concerned about your ability to understand a conversation

[normal shuttle]

this game has never been realistic. Even less in evrima

And right now the game is at its peak in terms of popularity

[urban flax]

Also using AI overview as an argument 🤮

[queen nymph]

i’d trust ai more than a grown man on discord

just me tho

[urban flax]

From now on I think I'm just going to use chatGPT whenever someone gets annoying in there, that's gonna save time
Since apparently nobody cares about taling with real people anymore

[urban flax]

That's depressing to hear, but kinda expected

[normal shuttle]

so, understanding that this is what suits deino the best, and that dinosaurs are also human beings spending time playing a game, AND that every other ambusher has some sort of warning for hyper vigilant players...

Is it too much to ask for that deino does have some sort of real drawback to avoid a cheap death other than "just don't be there bro" when everyone else who is specialized in ambushing is gonna have any tell??

[grizzled matrix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1312458243557294141/ezgif-4-3d9650cd96.gif

[normal shuttle]

dunno what's so hard to agree with there

[queen nymph]

just doesn’t make sense to switch up a whole animals attack style because yall are lazy

[normal shuttle]

my god

did I say switch up a whole animal's attack style?

it would still snatch things. It should be doing that

[queen nymph]

u want things to stay in the game that prevent this from happening lmao

get a grip on what you’ve been saying the past hour

[normal shuttle]

and also, lazy =/= wanting actual thought put into an apex while also giving it tools to get around safe spots and therefore ALWAYS be a risk

[normal shuttle]

like what? Giving it some sort of subtle warning so that it can still be a fair ambush that will still get many kills in the hands of a decent player?

I also want it to get around safespots yknow

and not make this a mind numbing game of "do the stupid ritual of drinking behind a rock or die"

or "go to the corner of the map to drink or die"

[urban flax]

Dude you should really think about your arguments before you write
You're calling us lazy after saying "patience replaces skill with deino" and claiming that staying idle in one spot not doing anything for several hours is how it should be

[queen nymph]

ur pacing back and forth waiting for something to feel safe

[urban flax]

At least try to use arguments that don't work better against you than they do against the people you're arguing with

[queen nymph]

then u kill it, it’s all a risk game, and both of u are clearly salty ik yall be dying to deinos a lot

[normal shuttle]

deino is probbaly alongside herra the carni that has killed me the least

lol

making weird conjectures because people want to make a playable refreshing is crazy

[urban flax]

I've died to a deino twice since I started playing the Isle a few years ago
One time I was a ptera and jumped into the water out of boredom after harassing deinos for 30 minutes straight

The other time I was a juvie omni and got snatched after trying to position properly to get a dryo corps I just killed away from the shore where I knew there was a deino

[normal shuttle]

although tbf all of this is futile

Because the devs are already planning a deino rework that will hopefully make it a good playable for once

[urban flax]

I would just like deino to be actually fun for both parties involved, instead of fun for neither as it currently is

[queen nymph]

it’s never fun dying

[urban flax]

In a well-designed game it is

[queen nymph]

but it happens, and in different ways. and u just hate dying to a deino apparently

[urban flax]

I hate wasted server slots

I'm sure you believe giving deino 2000 biteforce would solve its issues

[queen nymph]

i want the game to be like what it was back then

not what u guys want

[urban flax]

"back then" ?

[queen nymph]

u want deinos to be useless lmao

i want them to be the apex predator they were

[urban flax]

You mean back when stego, trike and humans coexisted ? That "back then" ?

[urban flax]

No one is arguing against that

I'm sorry you feel like requiring the slightest amount of skill means ruining it, but I'm certain there's other players out there who would be up to the challenge and enjoy it

Dare I say, if deino was a proper playable, maybe even I would try playing it again

[queen nymph]

i like the dino?

i want it to be a strong as it should be

[urban flax]

I know

[queen nymph]

not unrealistic so people will stop coping

[queen nymph]

u literally said for it to make a noise before lunging

[urban flax]

Like many deino players, you only care about yourself and no-one else
It's a common thing

[urban flax]

I know what I said

[queen nymph]

u don’t think that would ruin the whole dino)

[urban flax]

I think it would make it better for everyone involved, including deino players
Because they would actually get to stimulate their brain

[desert arch]

It cant be ruined even more tbh lmao

[queen nymph]

deinos should be able to kill how they used to kill, which is surprise attacks. and u and that other not so smart person can’t recognize that

[urban flax]

And, as I previously mentioned, they would get many MORE opportunities to catch people

[desert arch]

Deino is just misery for everyone involved, even for the deino player itself

[queen nymph]

wanna know what would also help that)

[urban flax]

I agree that deino should use stealth
But there's being stealthy and there's being constantly invisible and dead silent

[queen nymph]

not having glitch water spots and tiny ponds not even a 20% dino can swim in

[queen nymph]

that’s just simply how they are tho)

[urban flax]

Deinos don't use stealth, they're basically cheating at this point

[urban flax]

That's not how they should be, because this is a game

[queen nymph]

they see something from far away, go underwater, sneak up. and chomp their head off

[urban flax]

In every other game permanent invisibility is considered a hack

[queen nymph]

so it shouldn’t be how it was

[urban flax]

no

There is 0 dino in this game accurate to its real-life counterpart

All of them are designed to function as game playables rather than hyperrealistic

[queen nymph]

u just want it to be nothing like it actually is because u don’t like it

[normal shuttle]

still a lot of people play it

[urban flax]

Which would make 90% of the roster unviable

[normal shuttle]

we love slop!!!

[urban flax]

no

[queen nymph]

u 2 are just incompetent and won’t shut up about a side of an argument that just simply doesn’t add up

[desert arch]

Only because 90% of deino players just wanna play rex

[normal shuttle]

true

[queen nymph]

i’m going to sleep yall won ts or whatever

just straight delusion

[urban flax]

Judging by the amounts of personal insults thrown, idk if anyone won but you definitely lost

[queen nymph]

if u can’t handle someone calling u a dumbas idk how u made it this far

[urban flax]

It's more about you being unable to keep a conversation without insulting people

[queen nymph]

an argument isn’t supposed to be the most friendly thing out there

let alone when it’s 2 very opposite opinions

i just think both of u are very soft human beings

[urban flax]

You're the one saying it

[queen nymph]

and u genuinely don’t know how to take no for an answer

u actually shed a tear when i showed a croc eating a goat

like tap in twin

[urban flax]

what

Are you that sleep-deprived ?

[queen nymph]

?

u threatened to get me banned for showing nature

that’s just sad lowkey

[urban flax]

I warned you because you were breaking rules you didn't read

[queen nymph]

didn’t think anyone would be at such a low point to get mad over something like that

the people in general seem to be a lot more competent when it comes to arguments

[urban flax]

Idk, a rulebreak is a rulebreak

[queen nymph]

been in here 5 years and not a single role

ur thriving for that moderator role lmao

[solemn bronze]

deino does make noise when lunging though, it makes a loud gator noise + it splashes the water when it surfaces and splashes the water when lunging

[indigo gulch]

OI

😠

I would never and you know that :3

[urban flax]

Yes it does
Way too late for anyone to react

[solemn bronze]

Why are you even drinking at a dangerous spot when there are hundreds of safe spots? Even the dangerous rivers and lakes have extremely long areas of shallow water where a deino couldn't dream of catching you

[urban flax]

I'm not going over this again

[solemn bronze]

I've dodged deino from the splash they make coming out of the water too. I really think your issue a skill issue bro

[urban flax]

If you dodged them either they missed or you were already moving, because it takes several seconds to stop drinking

[solemn bronze]

You drink, stop drinking and wait a second, drink and continue

[humble pilot]

wait is this guy really crying about deinos

[queen nymph]

told u the people in general are normal people

[solemn bronze]

You can even animation cancel pretty often when drinking and still get the water

[queen nymph]

yep

spent 2 hours talking into a wall to get my point across

[humble pilot]

the devs have given you countless safezones to drink from

[queen nymph]

i love talking to people who understand common sense

[urban flax]

As I said I'm not going over this again, just read the previous conversation

[humble pilot]

getting a deino big enought to be a threat to any big dino is a task in itself let alone finding a dino drinking from a dangerous water spot

i read through it and none of it makes sense

[scenic slate]

Several muts too that let you get water from your food, so you don't even have to drink from a lake or river

[humble pilot]

or if you really want to play it safe go salt water mut

[whole dawn]

Lowkey the only way to grow a deino is fish

And that’s gone now so

[queen nymph]

he essentially just wants deino to be an 8 ton spectator with no characteristics of when it was actually alive

[humble pilot]

And while youre trying to do that theres a deino lurking trying to kill you

[scenic slate]

well i got lucky yesterday cuz a baby maia tried to fight a baby stego right near the delta river and i was just watching to see who dies, and obviously the maia lost so i got to eat it and fill up before a server restart

I almost starved tho

[queen nymph]

deino is imo the funnest dino in the game but sadly it’s been getting railed by nerfs

[solemn bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/fishy-fish-are-friends-not-food-finding-nemo-gif-5420343

the devs this update

[scenic slate]

Guess we gotta wait for Bary for the devs to focus on aquatic stuff again

[whole dawn]

And they get rid of ai fish so you literally starve 😭

[queen nymph]

it’s not possible to live on 100% in the current state of deino

when u add the glitch water spots with the no fish spawns u essentially just have a 16,000 pound spectator

[whole dawn]

I have 2 almost 100 deinos me and my friend grew on two separate servers because we wanted to play around with them later and we just can’t cuz we starve

It sucks

[scenic slate]

also now they added a lot of safe spots for people to drink. i remember someone said the equivalent "well its a one shot killer and WE dont have to play the game with you. we will drink where its safe and you just gotta git gud or starve. not our problem, thats a deino main problem" such comments are a bit dismissive and rude. you may hate the playable for making drinking stressful but just going "lol anyways..." when people bring up the issues with deino rn isnt a good thing

[solemn bronze]

I have 3 FG deinos and like 2 50~ish % that are all starving RN

[humble pilot]

I was saying before the patch too "wouldnt mind more ai fish spawn" bc being a big deino in main water ways it can be boring when every big dino is drinking in a tiny pond safe from any large water way

[solemn bronze]

I'm logging in on my FG trying to catch a smaller deino in my lake

2 of these FG are in highlands and one in SP too

usually hotspots, and NOTHING since the update. no fish, no deinos, no drinkers

[whole dawn]

The only people I eat are all like little deinos because no one else every appears

[queen nymph]

the only way deinos eat is if they drink in bad spots or swim

[humble pilot]

i had a fg in sp but since the patch its so dead

[queen nymph]

and now that there’s bridges and glitch spots deinos are useless

dino’s should literally be fearful drinking in unsafe water

because like i said before, i understand the game isn’t about realism but that’s just simply how it was and still is to this day

[scenic slate]

Because everyone is tucked away farting in a corner of the map to grow safely until they hit adult and meet up with their mixpack buddies. The life of official servers lmfao

[humble pilot]

as a deino player i get scared drinking from any water when i play other dinos

[queen nymph]

this is how it should be lmao

it shouldn’t be safe to drink from a giant lake

[humble pilot]

exactly

[scenic slate]

Deinos thrived in Spiro

[humble pilot]

I love the fear of a deino lurking. you have to actually think and cant just brain off fill up on an essential resource for you dino

[whole dawn]

Playing a deino lowkey a single player game

[whole dawn]

Cuz only hunt ai forever

[urban flax]

You have no reason to be, just drink in safe spots

[whole dawn]

That’s not the point

[solemn bronze]

Just like a year ago when I played me and my buddy duo'd deino and had ALOT of fights with other FG denio duos, it was pretty popular which is a main reason why the devs are nerfing TF out of it

[scenic slate]

That's literally the issue. You're just rage baiting at this point

[humble pilot]

Bro thought he really got me

[queen nymph]

seems to me like non deino players are female dogs and want to be scare free 24/7

[scenic slate]

If Rex is meant to make everyone nervous when you hanging around the forest edge at night or something, deino is meant to make you nervous to drink

[humble pilot]

But if im playing carnivore in a hotspot fighting it can be hard to run to a safe spot when im actively hunting/ fighting and i take a risk to fill up

thats how it should be though it adds value to the game and water

[queen nymph]

am i also the only one who feels like 100 people is to small for how big the map is

[humble pilot]

im assuming hes a herbi player that just wants to mixpack and have no threats in the game

deinos are mixpackings worst fear if anything tbh

[scenic slate]

Some people just coming at you to hit you with this:

[queen nymph]

officials are literally ran through with mixoacking

[indigo gulch]

nah he isn't

[urban flax]

I see a lot of deinos mixpacking tbh

[humble pilot]

its too small. thats why deino on official can be rough theres just simply not enough ppl to see enough

[queen nymph]

it was so sad i had to watch a fg trike on first day get jumped by a total of 15 ceras carnos and even other trikes

[queen nymph]

my first dino i played was deino and in the first 15 hours i played i didnt see a single person

[indigo gulch]

Also I think what Bubulblu means is that deino oneshotting makes it so people go to safe spots. The safe spots aren't the issue, they are the ''solution'' to said issue. Which us, the deino players, suffer from and then want change because they are uncounterable to us. Did I get that right @urban flax

[queen nymph]

also why are deinos even able to still spawn in east swamp

even before the fish issue it was just certain death over there

[scenic slate]

That place is a dead zone till they add more semi aquatics

[indigo gulch]

yeah because it's a death zone for almost every playable

[scenic slate]

Is Highlands still a hot spot? I feel like South Plains is more popular

[queen nymph]

another big issue with deino is that no other animal really goes to a deino spawn. it’s just so rare, most people stick around highlands and sp

[indigo gulch]

SP is definitely more popular

[queen nymph]

there’s only one pz that actually makes it a high risk high reward in the delta

lost my 50% trike to a croc

[urban flax]

pretty close

[scenic slate]

I hope the devs do something about hot spots and people congregating in only one area of the map. They gotta spread people out more

[urban flax]

The issue is not deino oneshotting, that much is fine, it's the fact safespots are the ONLY counterplay

[queen nymph]

drinking should be risky

i said this 85 times

[scenic slate]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-567428682955312229

[urban flax]

But it's not
Players just go to safe spots where there's no risk

It's not a risk ,it's a map knowledge check

[queen nymph]

there shouldn’t be these safe spots tho is the issue

notice how when i brought it up in gen more competent people showed up

[urban flax]

Then everyone goes back to playing deino because nothing else can survive

[queen nymph]

seems like it’s a small % that really hate deino

[queen nymph]

drinks can’t be every where

it’s just a risk that ur to scared to take

[scenic slate]

That's a little dramatic. I think people did quite fine in Spiro where Deinos were at their peak

[urban flax]

You mean when half the servers was constantly deinos ? You call that fine ?

[queen nymph]

are u happy with there being 50 trikes online)

[urban flax]

There isn't

And if that was the case I wouldn't be either

[queen nymph]

your just scared to play risky and want to play eating simulator

that whole argument was mickey mouse

[humble pilot]

thats been my experience. I was seeing a pack or 2 of ceras and carnos some heras the rest were trikes

[scenic slate]

They had a long stretch of a shallow river that people used as the safe spot to drink from and yet deinos still thrived. What was in Spiro that's missing here that's making deinos suffer rn.

And I think the answer is...the large number of drinking spots. You can have safe zones to drink, Spiro literally had a gigantic one that stretched out quite long, but in Gateway there's these little pockets of water everywhere that rn have no meaning cuz the playerbase still congregates in one spot but people use them to drink safely

[indigo gulch]

well the thing is, why risk when you dont have to? I'd rather also not risk a dibble I spent hours to grow if I can help it

[scenic slate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979068332886077490/1386509436734013561/togif.gif

When this is the only advice you get ^

[queen nymph]

i’m not blaming him for doing it, i just think taking risks to drink water should be apart of the game

[scenic slate]

[cyan flame]

As long as deino works the way it does, safe spots are needed. If you don't want there to be safe spots, make deino more demanding when it comes to ambushing and make it more possible to see, hear, and escape a deino ambush if you react in time. Oh and deinos had it far too good and easy on spiro, as could be seen in every river.

[scenic slate]

Mhm

https://tenor.com/view/the-humble-lemon-lemon-humble-pibble-pibb-gif-17247926760724926413

[normal shuttle]

I hate deino debates so much

[indigo gulch]

There is no winning for either side

[stable crow]

putting a link to your tik tok at the end of your feedback is so funny

[urban flax]

@olive hollow Bro beipi is twice the size of ptera

[dusky bluff]

Does anyone have any information regarding the resolution of blocking bugs?

[urban flax]

Bugfixing is a constant process

[dusky bluff]

It's really very well explained XD

[urban flax]

If only bucking was a viable option

[cyan flame]

This has been a thing since way back, it's nothing new

[cyan flame]

We'll never get that, because pounce must be the main attack

[urban flax]

I mean we used to

[molten stag]

Yeah and everyone complained it was Stam V Stam so now you get this becuause of tears of players who dont even play anymore

[urban flax]

It's more so that the old system wouldn't work with the new stam system

But RNG is worse than any previous sytem we had

[cyan flame]

If bucking didn't drain the buckers stam as well, it might be slightly better, but RNG is still horrible

[molten stag]

again, you cant have free counters, that's just silly only one using an enourmous cost of a valuable resource, is unbalanced

That's why i'm also against the free block/stun to head and tail

[cyan flame]

Bucking dosn't drain the stam of the pouncer, why should it drain for the bucker?

[cyan flame]

Don't you just do a kick attack if you pounce on a nonviable spot?

[urban flax]

Well, the one using an enormous amount of a resource is dealing damage capable of killing things several times its own size AND is in control of the engagement

[molten stag]

The pouncer is being drained to do the attack, 2 drains would be bad, and i'd agree to it if the same values of drain are shared

[cyan flame]

But the defender needs a proper way to defend themselves, that doesn't punish them

You're more likely to only make it worse for yourself using buck, what with low stam helping getting grappled too

[molten stag]

with claws ment to latch, you'll latch, there are no "nonviable spots" that's just devs giving a little hand holding, and it interacted with some systems badly, like head charges, but i dont see the problem, you still took the damage, it's not as bad as the Terrain stripping problem

[cyan flame]

Of course there's worse spots to try and hang on. The fact that pounce works from the rear is bad, it was good when it only worked from the side, but that was too hard apparently. At least it not working on the face is something.

[urban flax]

The "terrain stripping" isn't a problem tho
If "calw just latch" it makes perfect sense that getting crushed into a sense drops the raptor

[urban flax]

Pounce working from behind or not should be species-dependent tbh
It should work fine on a dibble or trike, not so much on a stego

[molten stag]

Almost like the real thing, i've had this argument for so many years it's hard to reiterate, if you cant reach to where the pouncer is, you're lucky the buck system is there, because you couldnt peel them, and a normal animal would panic, and yes, thats like saying a lion cant kill things several times it size it does on the daily, you just live through it in a virual simulation and think it's unfair because you lost

[urban flax]

Remember this is a game and needs to be balanced

[molten stag]

i agree with this take, but not ALL playable across the board as well should get a face/tail Auto block. Trike/dibble i get on head, and Stego on tail, the others make no sense and look silly, paybe pachy and Carno too for head because that was the initial problem i think

[molten stag]

oh NOW you want balance when it suits only you and what you play

[urban flax]

What makes you jump to that conclusion ?

[cyan flame]

Yeah, true, that would be reasonable

[molten stag]

the line of argumentation you go on and probably your tag

[urban flax]

The head is just a terrible grappling point for something the size of an omni, current iteration is fine
Nothing has a head big enough for an omni to just hold on it, and things who do would probably just crush omni between their jaws if it tried to

[urban flax]

All I'm saying is RNG bucking is bad right now and should be reworked into something else so scrapping raptors off trees isn't the only option

[molten stag]

It's not going for the head, maybe sometimes, but it wants to kick and gore, neck and eyes, maybe the vascular parts of the face that will let the target drown on blood, it's a lot just like modern animals do now

[cyan flame]

It should be reworked into being better than using terrain ideally, since it's kind of boring to just camp a tree or rock

[urban flax]

That's what the kick is for
Can deal damage, can't hold on

[urban flax]

If bucking was actually good, terrain should only be usable when moving at max speed yeah
But that would definitely screw pachy over
Unless pachy is given a very powerful bucking or anti-pounce tool (like it used to have with alt attack)

[molten stag]

goriong out eyes for and advantage is huge, even cats who dont use their legs a lot, do that for bunny kicks as defense, raptors are made with lims that latch on and the legs do damage, and sure you can bite and hold to suffocate as well, but that's not all going into this kit, they are spreading it out across playables i get it, but the pounce on head and tail change was too general across the board

[urban flax]

It's fine
It's not too much to ask of omnis to aim at the flanks of something they want to pounce on

If blinding someone was a thing, then surely the kick would do that
But it's not a thing in the game and I don't really think it should be

[molten stag]

it will be when the flanks are covered in spikes, You see my reasoning there? then they will either have to make a huge exception, or rework the system that will take up valuable development time

[cyan flame]

Pretty much, terrain could still be used to block attack angles and all that, and if you're running it'd knock the omni/troodon off, but not just by standing. But then you'd have to make bucking good, let targets run unless too many omnis on (or troodons if you're tiny I guess), and not have the stam drain on latch most likely.

But then how would you counter or defend from that?

[urban flax]

Things with flanks covered in spikes ? Like kentro and anky ? Yeah those are supposed to be pretty much impossible to pounce

[molten stag]

Hypsi and Pachy blind, it's already in game and Dilo to some extent

[cyan flame]

Anky should just not take any damage or bleed, let them pounce, it just does nothing

As something larger and slower?

Something smaller already gets pinned anyway

[urban flax]

True, but it's always temporary
I don't think gouging something's eyes out would be temporary

[molten stag]

So there is my point as Pounce is the MAIN attack, you HAVE TO go for face, or risky tail pounce

[urban flax]

Some things are just not meant to be pounced on

[molten stag]

I'd take a screen covered in blood no reason to go to the max extreme

[cyan flame]

To be fair, maybe there should be some critters you just don't really hunt as a troodon or omni

[molten stag]

a vulnerable head is ABSOLUTELY the first target most modern predators go for excluding it in a sim/survial game is wild

[urban flax]

It's only excluded for latching on
It's still a weakspot

[molten stag]

that's like saying no headshots in an FPS

[urban flax]

not at all

[molten stag]

only with pistols, no snipers

[cyan flame]

But you can attack the head?

Just can't hang on cause no real spot to do so

You still get an attack after all

[molten stag]

you want me to show you some graphic videos that show you, that there's space in dms?

[urban flax]

Since you like to compare it to lions, maybe if omni latched on things by clamping its jaws around them really, really hard then it could latch on something's head/neck
But in turn it wouldn't be able to latch on their body at all
Because omni basically stands on its prey when latching on it, so it's not the same as any modern predator doing so

[molten stag]

This

[urban flax]

Absolutely not, that'd be terrible
Imagine get trolled once by a suicide omni then you must live the remaning 30 hours of your dino's life blind ?

That's just forcing people to suicide
So much for survival

You can't just "stay away" from things a fraction of your size who suicide at you

[molten stag]

the arms of a raptor are more mobile, smallern and specializec to hang on and not leg go so it's legs can do some powerful force on ripping and tearing, i think it can hold onto a face/neck just fine and move around

[urban flax]

As a stego ? Trike ? Or rex ? Or anything that isn't a small tier ?

[cyan flame]

Sure. But in game, for how omni seems to latch on, there's little space I'd say. At least for some critters.

[urban flax]

Imagine being a goddamn rex and living in fear of ever meeting a single juvie omni for your entire life in fear of getting blinded

[cyan flame]

That seems.... really rough. And would probably make most players just jump off a cliff whenever something happens like that to them. I guess it'd cycle playables a lot more, but still.

[molten stag]

you're ina permadeath game, you're not meant to survive, that's literally said on the game steam page, idk when we took this "devs must make it so i always survive" direction

[urban flax]

How so ? Because my 9ton rex couldn't run away from it ?

[cyan flame]

I guess we'd only really see tiny playables, but it could be interesting I suppose

[urban flax]

That's not what I said
It's a survival game
Players should always be trying to survive as long as they could
Permanent injuries mean dying is a better option
Which is the opposite of what a survival game should achieve

[molten stag]

this was the set expectation

[cyan flame]

If nothing else, server settings and mods will offer alternatives, so if the devs wanted to make a very harsh and realistic survival game, they could

[urban flax]

I don't deny it

[molten stag]

should be a mission statement

[urban flax]

But permanent injuries are a bad idea

[cyan flame]

Though a permanent leg break from pachy, and now your omni can never do anything again

Guess you'll be the cripple of the pack that everyone else has to feed, if they care enough

[molten stag]

That's how she goes, regrow, avoid the attack the next life

[urban flax]

Dinos are hours of investment, forcing players to have a terrible experience for an entire dino's life because of one mistake is ridiculous
If you want to punish player,s just kill them so they start over
Don't leave them stuck with an unplayable dino

[cyan flame]

Yep. Could be interesting, I'm not entirely opposed to trying it out, but it would be harsh.

[urban flax]

Would almost never happen
The rest of the pack would just say "jump off a cliff so you can respawn as a healthy raptor"

[cyan flame]

But then you'd probably have to up agaility and stuff for most playables, or make them resilient if they're not agile, so they have a decent ability to avoid permanent injuries

[molten stag]

Also bone breaks are not inherently permanent, Vision loss is tho

[cyan flame]

No but if we're doing realism like this, you'd be bonebroken for a lot longer

Sure, you'd eventually heal, but until then

[molten stag]

and i'm fine with that

yeah that seems fair

[cyan flame]

Honestly, a hardcore, more realistic version of the game could be interesting

But that would probably make most playables unviable

[molten stag]

it's like another game does scars, does your skin look less pristine? yeah, can you live with it, absolutely

[cyan flame]

Well, that's just visual?

[molten stag]

it's the balancing teams job to make them fun to play, viability just needs to be that you can secure food if you do things right

at a basic entry level

[urban flax]

You can't expect all players to launch their games, see their going to have to spend 10 hours playing a blind disabled dino and go "yeah it's fine, this is gonna be fun"

[urban flax]

In fact you can't expect any player apart from pure masochists to do that

A game being hard and punishing is fine
But there are ways to do it that don't involve making people's lives miserable

[molten stag]

if every one is playing apex, and a "psudo apex" like raptor (the only option we have is omni now) it should be able to be viable as well, seeing as the bigger raptors could and used to hunt Sauropods

[urban flax]

Uh no ?

[molten stag]

Uh Yes

[urban flax]

Where the hell did you get that raptors hunted sauropods ?

[molten stag]

read up

opinions are not fact

[cyan flame]

Keep in mind that ingame omni is just a JP raptor, what it does has little to do with real life raptors

[molten stag]

respectfully

[cyan flame]

True, was more so saying if we made the playables accurate to real life, made damage and wounds accurate, and so on, we'd probably not have many viable playables, and the few that would be, would be overpowered

[urban flax]

Oh unless you're talking about baby sauropods

[molten stag]

ah the cop out catch all but yes i agree they do with what they want with their playables i'm just here to ask to get in the fridge, it's not my house

[urban flax]

Depends on which playable I'd say

[cyan flame]

It's not a cop out, I'm just saying, it's like our spino

[molten stag]

Old weak, (Elder system) or sick and injured were prob on the table as well but we dont have sick, but we got injured and low health options

[cyan flame]

Referring to real life doesn't work when the playable isn't meant to be real life version

[urban flax]

Even weakened, idk what kind of raptor you're thinking of that could hunt sauropods

Unless by "injured" you mean "already dying"

[molten stag]

we can do the lion example, They do go after Giraffes, that kind of is what we see in modern pery/predator interactions, the big and clunky are not off the menu

and not just lions go after giraffes even smaller things do

[urban flax]

1. That's extremely rare
2. a raptor going after a sauropod would be closer in terms of size to a tuna going after a whale

[molten stag]

Rarely documented, or Giraffes would be much more successful and proliferated

[urban flax]

giraffes are pretty successful tho

[molten stag]

a species that isnt being culled, and every spring time, you have mating season, if you're not all over as a nuisance species, it's because predators are keeping your population in check, even nature has its balance

[urban flax]

Utahraptors most likely didn't go after prey much larger than themselves

And as I mentioned, the size difference between an utahraptor and a sauropod is akin to a bluefin tuna and a whale

Going for the throat is actually implemented in the game, there is a throat hitbox that deals extra damage
In most cases it's the same as the head

[cyan flame]

Implement acro choke mechanic for everything

[urban flax]

bruh

[urban flax]

I really hope that mechanic will never see the light of day

[molten stag]

i have some choke me gifs, i cant put in here

[cyan flame]

... xD

[molten stag]

I kinda like it here, i've been here a few years i dont want a ban

[elfin willow]

if anyone thinks other dinos nightvision at times is too dark LMK. I just think the worst nv out of the game is stego and trike. Deino / beipi vision underwater is also ABYSMAL but i think someone else mentioned that lol.

[molten stag]

Try Dilo, and Trood, they see really well in the dark and get a bit of an edge

[cyan flame]

I think stego and trike have it the worst yes, not sure how bad it is. Last time I complained, I got told it's probably just my screen being too dark, and others could see just fine.

[elfin willow]

their nv is really well though since they are 'nocturnal' creatures, no?

[elfin willow]

yeah, i know stegos is HORRIBLE but last night i was leading an adult trike as a pachy at night and i was standing 2 feet in front of him and he was like 'where are you' multiple times... 💀

[pliant elm]

@ornate spade Yes, try hunting players with your tiny, harmless Carnivore. Clearly they not need AI to grow, right?

[molten stag]

yeah so i think they are trying to make a distinction, weather its a little too heavy or not, i'm still feeling out, but its doing whats intended, stay in place at night, or you might find tough terrain

[elfin willow]

half of this game is spent sitting to regen stam. i'm not accepting that the other half is waiting out night time. 💀

[cyan flame]

Sounds about right. I think it's intended, even if it does make for "just find a crevice and hide in" kind of gameplay.

[elfin willow]

It's just unfortunate. I'm not asking for a huge buff. I just want them to see enough to where they don't see a cliff they are about to plummet off of or a fg pachy standing 2 feet in front ofv them, lmao. 😭

[ornate spade]

There are plenty of juvi players. I main troodon, if I can manage to find and kill players or scavenge other kills reliably I’m sure you can do it on other Dino’s who aren’t that small 😂

[molten stag]

If you play playables that have bad night vision, its kinda par for the course, and like minecraft, or 7 days to die, you dont HAVE to do anything, but if you're good enough to traverse night time, by all means it's just a deterant

[cyan flame]

I don't mind worse NV, but I would like it if it was good enough to play, and do something. Be it travel/migrate, or build a nest, or some kind of "downtime" activity. But at least doing something would be nice.

Something that would make sense for a stego or trike to do at night, that you might not want to "waste" time on during the day perhaps.

[elfin willow]

just is a deterant to new players tho. lots of people, esp at night, find it difficult to navigate the map properly.

[molten stag]

and it's not always, it's only for a little bit that its pitch black, the moonlight comes in after about an hour or two IN GAME TIME

[molten stag]

well there are new map changes with terrain and foliage, im still getting lost, it needs a little more time to cook

[pliant elm]

Troodon is a very bad example for this. What exactly can you kill with your 1kg troodon, dealing 0.40 damage and running at 14km? Xd

[elfin willow]

Ehhh, for trike, atleast my friend, a good majority of the night he was constantly unable to see me despite being close. I understand parts of the night its pitch black for every dino but trike it seems really bad.

I just want it to be where you aren't walking totally aimlessly. 😭

[ornate spade]

I’ve managed to scavenge other players even while they’re defending a body, I’ve killed fresh spawn raptors, all kinds of stuff

Skill issue sounds like

[molten stag]

yeah, but i'll take that over being over ran by a large apex in the dark eventually everyone should shuffle around, fighting should not be possible for those not nocternal

[ornate spade]

Dilo, raptor, Carno cera are EVEN easier

[elfin willow]

Like I said, I'm not asking for a HUGE buff. Just enough to where you don't accidently walk off a cliff, yknow? 😭 I understand, especially an apex, should have a heavy disadvantage. Esp since stego/trike reminds me of rhinos and they have horrible vision.

[ornate spade]

No AI servers exist and they somehow manage to function 😂

Pretty sure lower AI spawns ain’t gonna kill all the carnivore player base

[pliant elm]

Try doing this with good players and everything will be different. Furthermore, all this depends on a server that has more than 200 active players, otherwise there will barely be players in the sanctuaries or juvs

[molten stag]

ye and i'm sure they are looking at it, hopefully we get a tiny shift and not a big huge one back to how it was

[cyan flame]

I think rex might be getting better NV, so not sure on that one

[molten stag]

there are always exceptions

[pliant elm]

That's what AI is for. Herbivores have the sanctuary and carnivores have bots, that's the balance

[cyan flame]

And if you can't fight/defend at all, I'm not sure what you're supposed to do at night

[elfin willow]

yeah i don't want them having dilo nv or something lol. its just so hard rn to travel since stego/trike need to constantly move to get anywhere since they are slow, but limiting their time to traveling only during day is going tolead to starving 😭

[ornate spade]

The average player of this game is dirt bad, and even against good players you can win with most carnivores if you’re also good, and I play on a regular official server, works perfectly fine. The last 4 troodons I’ve grown had made it to FG first try without hunting any AI

it’s really NOT that hard

[molten stag]

also Trex had to eat a lot, so did Trike, they both were up chancing things in the night

[cyan flame]

True, but if rex gets to see good enough, I think every playable should be able to be active at night, and see well enough to defend themselves and all that

[ornate spade]

The old AI system was WAY worse for the game. Why hunt a Diablo when you can go hunt those 6 deer for the same diet

[cyan flame]

So it's not just nighttime = find a corner and hide in, cause that's just not really fun

[ornate spade]

Made no sense

[molten stag]

Ye but there is always Grazing, and as much as i hate to admit, its good and being used rn i did on trike as well

[elfin willow]

oh yeah my friend last night had to constantly graze while we were traveling lol. each bush giving him like maybe 3% tho is wild 😭

i did want to ask if anyone else is having performance issues? my pc isn't the tankiest but sometimes i drop down to 20 fps and my ping is like 160-200 😭

[ornate spade]

I agree. 99% of the reason I skip out on playing herbies is not being able to play 50% of the time

[pliant elm]

The AIs have the purpose of helping the carnivorous juvs as well as the sanctuaries, otherwise there would be an infestation of Herbivores on the server

[molten stag]

again you go to the farthest extreme, Liions hunt at night

[pliant elm]

Without AIs, grow a Troodon becomes more difficult than grow a Tenonto.

[ornate spade]

90% of the fresh spawn carnivores can’t even catch up to the AI. So that’s clearly not their purpose

[elfin willow]

troodon is arleady hard rn with how slow it is as a baby. it's speed rn is a death sentence alone tbh.

[molten stag]

This one i think the particles like fog and the ambiance is a little bit heavier, and optimization takes a while so it might be back, but ye with everything that's possible and advances, hardware upgrades will be your best friend

[cyan flame]

What extremes? Is it extreme to say that in a game, I should be able to play all of the time? I'm not saying carnis can't hunt at night, or herbis can't survive a hunt at night? I'm just saying, I think all playbles should have enough NV to be able to survive and do things, be it "downtime" things like caring for a nest, or just migrating, but you know, doing something.

[ornate spade]

Boar kills every fresh spawn in the game. Troodon and cera are slower than goat and deer

[elfin willow]

my pc was running the isle incredibly smooth before the update, i just hear other people complaining about their performance as well 😭 I even adjusted some settings to get better fps but still sometimes my fps drops HEAVILY in new areas.

[cyan flame]

It would be nice if daytime and nighttime activities for playables would be a bit different. Where nocturnal critters hunt and all that at night, and have "downtime" during the day, and vice versa for diurnal ones. but at least good enough NV to do things and not be completely lost.

[pliant elm]

Most of them can do it easily, with the exception of Deino, which is aquatic, and Troodon, which unnecessarily had its speed reduced to 14km.

[elfin willow]

Dilo having a slower metabolism during the day would be cool since they are suspected to be primarily nocturnal hunters. Or any nocturnal creature really, slower metabolism would be cool.

[ornate spade]

Cera can’t do it. Carno is slower and so is raptor until they’ve done some growing

[molten stag]

Well if you see my little snippet #general-feedback-discussion message Rex had really good vision, and even at night he used it i'm sure most of the kits they make for the dinos mirror some of the real life ones, with tweaks, like dilo doesnt spit and so on, for balancing we cant give all to everything is what i mean

[ornate spade]

By then they can already fight other fresh spawns, or scavenge other kills

[pliant elm]

Cerato can easily catch up with a Goat and Carno is faster than any bot

[cyan flame]

Yeah, that for respective day and night time critter would be interesting, or similar things at least

[ornate spade]

There SHOULD be that risk factor, not a free pass every time you spawn in with a deer horde

[elfin willow]

or like, not a mutation but day time creatures get a buff called 'sun bathing' or something where they heal a bit faster/gain more stamina while in the sun

[molten stag]

yeah and like i said, in order to optimize for a wide range of hardware, i saw a guy complaining and he was recording his laptop's scree, that he was having issues, when initially putting in stuff to optimize for that end of hardware, it's gonna take time

[cyan flame]

I don't mind rex getting good vision, unless its a bad idea to have a powerful apex be that capable all the day perhaps

[pliant elm]

But there is a risk, the Bots attack now. Herbivores should have everything at their disposal but a tiny carnivore should suffer immensely to get food? This is very funny

[ornate spade]

Yes they should. That’s the entire purpose of playing herbivores. You want easy, go play them.

Carnivores are not MEANT to be easy

They’re more enjoyable because of the hunt, which is also what makes them more difficult

Killing AI all the time is boring as hell, but it’s the most logical way to play when it is available

[elfin willow]

It's near impossible at this point. LAck of ai on top of it not only fighting back, but you cannot catch it usually if it runs. In my experience, dinosaur games have always heavily favored herbivores but this is kinda crazy. :/ And this is coming from someone that mains herbie.

[ornate spade]

So it needs to be not available nearly as often as it was, which is what they’ve done well IMO

[pliant elm]

There must be a balance between carnivores and herbivores on a server, so as not to cause an overcrowding of only herbivores on the map. For this, there are AIs.

[warped remnant]

Ik it’s not an actual solution to the problem but increasing your brightness via driver settings is very helpful for playing herbi. I also love the new fog bc it makes it so everyone has equally limited vision so with better herbi night vision you could still ambush them.

[ornate spade]

Idk I haven’t genuinely starved to death on a carnivore since like 2 years ago when I first started

[cyan flame]

I know, I've tried, current potat can't make it much better, I am virtually blind at night, so ingame solution is to just find rock corner, and wait it out there

[ornate spade]

I feel like as a carnivore I SHOULD, be occasionally starving to death

[ornate spade]

Too many herbivores = more food for carnivores.

[elfin willow]

Then you must be incredibly lucky, or you log when you are close to starving and have your friend bring you ai.

You saying your experience should equate to everyone's or essentially be it as a way of saying 'get good', is just poor behavior.

[ornate spade]

I don’t get where you’re going with that

[ornate spade]

Never logged out to avoid starving once

[molten stag]

yeah but then you'd have to take that into account for eating, and lower hunger drain, and if rex doesnt have hunger drain then that's another thing others will complain about

[elfin willow]

and I've not once died to a cerato. We can lie all we want, does us no good since right now carnivores are in a near impossible fight right now to grow.

[ornate spade]

Ai is just everywhere. Literally everywhere, everywhere you looked there was AI.

Finally for once we have a dinosaur game that isn’t a petting zoo for pigs and deer

[warped remnant]

Not quite. At the start as a new player sure but starvation should exist to make you take risk not to just end your run sometimes even tho you did everything right and even took big risks to find some.

[ornate spade]

Ok but I wasn’t lying

[pliant elm]

The difficulty before this update to grow a Carnivore was completely fair, there were Bots here and there from time to time, but never being as scarce as you want it to be, as this should still The player's fun and not a game with Selected difficulties

[ornate spade]

I’ve literally only died of starvation when I was doing it on purpose to get unstuck from a rock or get a new spawn

[elfin willow]

There's honestly no point in arguing or debating because you refuse to see the other side of the fence and acknowledge other people's experiences. 🤷

[ornate spade]

I’ve watched other people’s experiences first hand

[warped remnant]

I personally didn’t like that even like 5 fg carno could easily live of AI but yes its way to little now especially for juvies.

[ornate spade]

Mountains of boar piled up on north rock like some kind of ritual feast, hordes of deer in highlands every time you go there, 4000 turtles on mudflats

There was more AI than there were players lol

[elfin willow]

that's so unbelievably cap but okay. 💀

[ornate spade]

And even now there’s still plenty

[ornate spade]

lol? 😂 if you genuinely though AI was hard to come by you’ve got to be trolling

[elfin willow]

I never said it was hard before. You said there was more ai than players. 💀 You keep contradicting yourself, bud.

[ornate spade]

I would kill AI just for fun because I’m full hunger all day every day

[pliant elm]

Even though this is a bug, it helps players grow almost equally to herbivores on servers that are not overcrowded.

[elfin willow]

"I've never once died to starvation"

"i actually did once because i was stuck but it was on purpose!"

[warped remnant]

It was super easy to find bc you knew it had fixed spawn points true but it’s objectively way too little now. There is 100% a spot between then and now that’s better for everyone

[ornate spade]

How is that contradicting myself? I said the AI was way too common before?

[charred beacon]

@brittle kiln They problem with troodon isnt really antyhign you stated, they changed troodons speed so he wodunt be a scavenger since he isnt one. The fact that you are going for deer or boar when you spawn as a troodon is also strange. The problem is that there are literally no frogs or crabs nor turtles, once in a blue moon you see a chicken or rabbit but that is really the main issue, if you know what you should be going for the troodon changes arent that bad, its just that the ai spawn are abysmal right now

[elfin willow]

"I have seen other people's experiences"
"finding ai is still soooo easy and everywhere!"

you are arguing to argue. it isn't even a debate. 😂

[ornate spade]

Yeah the spawns need to be fixed for sure, but the frequency needs to be as it is now, just better spread around the map.

And not hotspots like SP north lake highlands and mudflats

[brittle kiln]

Maybe, I never saw turtles, frogs, crabs, chickens or psittacos when I was playing as Troodon ç~~ç

[pliant elm]

Playing as a carnivore shouldn't be a bad experience where you have to constantly look for fights. This is a game after all, the fun should be more focused on the difficulty, it's not a soulslike

[brittle kiln]

Troodon do not have damage or speed to hunt anything, it's a starving simulator D:

[ornate spade]

Yeah, I said “genuinely” obviously being stuck in a rock you can’t get out of doesn’t count now does it

That’s just being stupid

Even if there were 10 goats on me I’d still die I’m stuck…

[ornate spade]

The difficulty comes from making it to adulthood, that’s the challenge of the game. If all that is, is eating AI and waiting what challenge is that?

It’s a SURVIVAL game, not a class based pvp

Just like herbivores are slow and easily hunted and have to go to locations that carnivores are made aware of to get their food

[pliant elm]

AIs don't take that away, you still have to worry about other carnivores that are in that location and can sniff out what you hunted xd

[ornate spade]

You eat the AI and you’re gone before anything has a clue 99% of the time

Off to find a different diet!

[pliant elm]

If you managed to do that, great. Where's the problem with that?

[ornate spade]

Hunting AI has the same risk as a herbivore eating a plant lol

[pliant elm]

Do you finally understand what AIs are for? Lol

[warped remnant]

The game is mostly as difficult as you make it for yourself. I’m not sure if I agree there should be a massive luck/skill requirement difference between carnis and herbis

[ornate spade]

The problem is it’s easy, it’s a handout, carnivores shouldnt get the handouts when later they’re the ones doing the killing

[pliant elm]

This is not a problem. Finding food is just part of survival

[ornate spade]

AI should be there for when there’s no player that you are capable of hunting. Which is what it currently does (as far as I’m aware)

Spawning when there’s no players nearby other than your group

It makes herbivores boring if all the carnivores just eat boar instead of hunting them

[warped remnant]

Maybe it does that and that would be a good change but none knows how it works exactly

[ornate spade]

Getting hunted is part of the gameplay loop of a Herbie

[pliant elm]

AIs don't do this, they only appear when they want and not when there are no players nearby, it's completely bugged

[ornate spade]

This is why we get trikes running at ceras full speed out of boredom

[elfin willow]

Seems it works maybe 15% of the time, if that is the case but at this point, who knows.

[warped remnant]

Na that’s a roaster problem not a food problem but sure I get your point

[ornate spade]

Well the only time I’ve seen them (at least boar goat and deer) is when the area in in is dead, otherwise I haven’t seen any

[ornate spade]

I mean but why would a cera bother fighting a trike if it can eat goats all day

They should be extremely limited

[pliant elm]

Not to mention that all AIs are spawning in a single location (Swamp Center) And leaving areas that really need it completely empty

[warped remnant]

I mean why would a cera brother fight a trike if it’s literally 6-7 times as heavy and basically one shots you

[elfin willow]

skill issue 😂

[ornate spade]

The trike wants to be fought, and it clearly can’t chase anything, so it needs to be defending, so the carnivores need a reason to hunt it, IE hunger

[ornate spade]

They’re slow as, can be easily played around tbh

[warped remnant]

I already killed a fg trike as cera but only bc he didn’t know how to alt attack

[pliant elm]

Carnivores will still hunt herbivores even with 100% hunger full xd

[ornate spade]

But there’s no point taking the risk if you’re full hunger and in no risk of starving

[warped remnant]

Again I get your point but trike is a terrible example bc it’s way out of cera weight class

[elfin willow]

i was just teasing lol sorry xD

[ornate spade]

Yeah but they’re not gonna fight to the death; one hit that hurts a bit too much they’re running for the hills because they don’t NEED the food

[warped remnant]

Oh dw you just never know on here

[ornate spade]

Herbivores don’t get to feel the satisfaction of winning

[elfin willow]

bro has not met over half the carni pop.

i've fought so many carnies on tenonto and they never know when ti run before it is too late. 💀

[ornate spade]

I mean dibble for example, just said trike bc it popped into my head

[warped remnant]

Je that’s fair I just think there is a middle ground between now and before the update

[elfin willow]

anyone know if tactile endurance is alimited 2nd mutation? i keep forgetting.

[warped remnant]

Tbf the bleed is very surprising the first time

[ornate spade]

Yeah but I feel like it should be a risk they have to judge whether it’s worth risking the fight, or risking the starvation, but how it’s been before is risk the fight or just survive, you basically only die from being stupid. Which isn’t how it should be IMO

[warped remnant]

Yea

[elfin willow]

true, teno does so much bleed lmao

[elfin willow]

so ican only get it at 2nd mutation, not third?

[warped remnant]

Yup

[ornate spade]

It is yeah

[elfin willow]

are you sure

[warped remnant]

100%

[elfin willow]

i swear i got it as third on my pachy 😭

[warped remnant]

Or they changed it after update

[elfin willow]

alr i will bite the bullet lmao ty

[warped remnant]

I think it’s interesting that they made prolific a slot 2 exclusive instead of hidden mut

[charred beacon]

Thats the problem, the new grass and the fact that none of those ai barely do any noise isnt helping

[willow grove]

Fix the AI Spawn

[icy lion]

@livid ember Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers

[sonic tangle]

That’s not what he’s saying

[icy lion]

I know, but I'm telling him how to report hackers because there isn't a single report in his message history

[pliant elm]

@charred beacon I also feel that desync has gotten even worse after the update.

[livid ember]

If only that solved the hacker problem

[icy lion]

Of course it doesn't solve the problem, but it helps reduce the damage

[charred beacon]

I saw that before they took it down, i have a library of vidoes before the update aswell. But it is true that i feel it more on bigger ceras and when stegos bite now for some reason. If they didnt chnage any server setting there really shoudnt be a difference tho

[pliant elm]

It could also be a problem with Cerato, which I don't doubt very much that it is

[charred beacon]

I have experienced it from almost every dino, ceras and diablos stick out tho

[pliant elm]

I didn't play with Troodon much because it's stupidly hard to grow now because of its speed, but every time I died it was to a Cerato that bit extremely far

[charred beacon]

Yeah im addicted so i cant stop

[pliant elm]

I killed 1 Maia 100% before dying to this cerato in the Video...

Troodon could be so much fun, but what can we do, right? Unnecessary changes coupled with bugs always break Troodon

[charred beacon]

nice

[sonic tangle]

Use better anti cheat codes instead.

[bronze niche]

@glad moat the fact that the game looked like that on low graphic settings is CRAZY

now everything on epic makes it look dull somehow

[topaz dove]

Anyone know why there are no elite spawans as deino?

[queen nymph]

ai spawns are bugged

they were already bad enough in deino

[barren zephyr]

there's no anti-cheat that can stop a decent hacker

[sonic tangle]

True

But there are better ones than the one they are using

[austere atlas]

is there like a forum or a post channel were the Devs update up about fixes or changes they are planning? cuz like ai spawn rn is soooo bad the game is almost unplayable for new spawns

[granite glacier]

This. I want to piggyback off of this to add that especially the water biomes. All of the water critter AI has been hit so hard that I keep having fresh spawns die

[indigo gulch]

I’m assuming with the whole “ai is alright now” we don’t mean the fish right?😅

Cuse I’ve been in the ai fish spawn places. Not there.

[lunar mirage]

Deinosuchus is supposed to be the apex predator of the waterways—an ancient terror lurking beneath the surface. But right now, it's a starving giant forced to cannibalize its own kind, in shallow puddles, surrounded by empty water.

That’s not balance. That’s extinction.

[ornate spade]

Nah fish turtles and crabs seem stuffed

[indigo gulch]

they absolutely do not

I searched for hours and found none

and I went to all the spawning areas

[quasi pumice]

he killed me and my otehr fg cera friend on a baby dino walked through us and killed us

[junior nymph]

go into na chat and report it

[quasi pumice]

i did

they dont gaf

[vernal jacinth]

No it won’t…

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message
#general-feedback message

Two for one on the "herbi bad" feedback

Except one thinks pachy is overpowered and the other thinks cera got nerfed

[harsh viper]

read all the message pls

i talk about all dinos and the map in general

dont look at the first words that i say and dislike thinking that the text is all the same

learn to listen and not hear, those are diferent things

[limber hull]

i didnt agree with basically any of it

[harsh viper]

why

what dont u agree with and why?

[limber hull]

map doesn't need to be smaller, cera is still insanely powerful (it's actually stronger than it was last update lol), holding off on trike is just arbitrarily holding back content (and honestly the animal really isn't THAT problematic), the deino diet never got any nerfs idk what that's about, and they absolutely do not simp for herbis lol, carnivores have had it so much better for so much longer with insane powerhouses like cera and dilo + hypsi only FINALLY got its CORE MECHANIC after years of being incomplete + pachy is still awful + dryo is still unfinished

[harsh viper]

map needs improvement so more ppl can join and be eazier to find prey as a carnivore, so we dont need as much th ais, cera update was good in the fact of the balance when charging, and i kinda accept the nerf of the speed when doing it, but wasting stam i dont think it was good , cause cera wastes a good amount of stamina already for only running ( i know cera is not for running but tracking the prey with time)
trike add on was a lot yes, because instead of putting in an carnivore stronger than cera and carno, in brutal damage, like an allo, in my opinion, was dumb, because its very hard to "eazielly" kill an herbi and its pretty ez to kill a carni
like an year or so when deino ate schooling fish, it gave him a percentage food, like 10% each fish, what is good, so it doesnt STARVE TO DEATH. nowadays a deino fg wastes more food catching schooling fish than eating it, and with the mutation of reabsortion and salt water, and all of the safe stops that ther is, croc gameplay is just doomed
pachy its pretty good, the most balanced medium/ big herbie in game xD idk why u complaining and yes, as i said dryo needs somthing else

[limber hull]

pachy is garbage, ask anyone who actually plays it, it is one of the worst animals in the game

it's good at sub-adult, then rapidly cascades into being awful due to the massive speed decrease

[harsh viper]

i understand the angry with speed decrease, but imagine, a dino that breaks bones runing faster than you, what can you do against it? acept death?
pachy is a punisher, not a machine gun

[limber hull]

except it also sucks at punishing

its ram leaves it exceptionally open, and locks it into one direction, making it beyond easy to punish

[harsh viper]

it doesnt, that is not a pachy problem, that is a hitbox proble

[limber hull]

its speed also makes it slower than a cerato using the speed mutations, which will likely just kill it in a few bites

[harsh viper]

because it assumes that u are not hiting in the right spot to breack

[limber hull]

no it isn't??? nothing i said has nothing to do with hitboxes

[harsh viper]

the pachy head break have everything about hitbox

[harsh viper]

and diablo with photosintetic tissue is faster than a cera without it, what makes cera a baby doll

[limber hull]

that literally is not true

[harsh viper]

it is xD, i have tested it

[limber hull]

36 x 1.05 = 37.8

40.2 > 37.8

cera is faster

Unless you're playing on a server with modded values for photosynthetic, cera is still faster

[harsh viper]

in game the speed is diferent, because i have been targeted by diablos faster than me runing in a strait line and getting dropped in gorund in tail cause of that xD

[limber hull]

in the game the speed is literally as it's listed lol

40km/hr is faster than 38km/hr lol

the game doesn't lie about these values lol

[harsh viper]

ik its listed, in teory

but the practic was diferent

[limber hull]

no it's not even theoretical those are the actual speeds

the speeds are determined by an in-game equation done by converting the actual game-speed into km/hr

[harsh viper]

ur spiting facts abt the game speed, i know, in just telling my experience, iand it was diferent

[limber hull]

the devs don't manually put those numbers there, that's actually just the game

okay but cera is still faster lol, regardless of what you may feel, and there is no way for a dibble to be faster than a cera (unless the cera is young)

[harsh viper]

i know how it works

im talking fg vs fg

anything more you have against of what ive said?

[warped remnant]

I think it’s true that bc of the current roaster we don’t have larger carnivores that are good at hunting the larger herbis like trike or Stego. But most of the herbis we have are fine aswell as the carnis. Carnivores will always be more popular in the long run so I think having big herbis to hunt in packs is important aswell as the fact that in nature herbivores are simply bigger than carnivores most of the time.

[harsh viper]

i agree 100% but the problem is that we dont have carni strong enough to chalange 6 diablos in a pack, 4 stegos, 3 trikes

[indigo gulch]

Well you’re never going to

[harsh viper]

we need allo, rex, barionix( so we can have a challenge with deinos)

[harsh viper]

and see? that is the problem

[indigo gulch]

What, that you can’t kill 6 stegos in a group?

[limber hull]

baryonyx will hardly be a challenge to deinos tbh

any adult deino will easily crush that thing

[harsh viper]

6 togheter is impossible, thats why we should separe one of them, like in real life predatory stances and kill it with "ease"

[indigo gulch]

You can do that tho. A good coordinated pack of omnis absolutely can

[harsh viper]

adult yes, but dont let to be a fear + on them

[warped remnant]

I would like if it was possible to separate herbi packs more effectively bc in a open fight against 6 stegos not even a Rex is gonna have a chance and thats sadly always gonna be the case

[limber hull]

i mean, how do you do that

[harsh viper]

yes

[limber hull]

how do you make it easier to seperate people who like to play together

[harsh viper]

do what

[limber hull]

that's not really something you can do

[indigo gulch]

I personally have more issues with water camping tbh ESPECIALLY if the head is underwater but they arent losing o2

[harsh viper]

its easy to make herbis separate from eatch other, they are agro with carnivores, sooner or later one would be further than the others

[harsh viper]

xD true

[indigo gulch]

So a group of 6 isn’t that problematic then?

[warped remnant]

Ik it’s basically impossible. You can sometimes pressure people to separate if some of them need water while others have to rest but that’s currently the only way

[indigo gulch]

Go “f that one in particular” and ignore the rest

[harsh viper]

i mean, in rl they were hundreds, but this is a game, skill vs skill, not theeth and horns, there is always a way to sorround thing, but the game need more damage carnis

[warped remnant]

If you can make that work that’s exactly how it should work and bigger carnivores could capitalize on that more effectively but often people will stay together if there is even a low chance of them losing

[indigo gulch]

And in irl they pick off 1 target in particular

[harsh viper]

yes, YES, lions, cheetas, leopards, wild dogs, all of them go to the weaker smaller and further from the group

[indigo gulch]

Okay so go for a stego that is aggro or overconfident

[warped remnant]

And in the isle the 5 other stegos camp the corpse until you die

[indigo gulch]

That’s also a matter of skill

[indigo gulch]

Then pretend to leave and come back

[harsh viper]

it is, but its more balanced with better carnis

[indigo gulch]

Usually not THAT simple but it works occasionally

[warped remnant]

I’m not saying it’s impossible but humans don’t act like animals you can’t predict what they will do

[indigo gulch]

*to a certain degree

[harsh viper]

that is about the players comun sence, some are just mf and like to ruin the fun of the game cause they dont like to loose

[indigo gulch]

You can absolutely predict some behaviours

[indigo gulch]

Counterpoint: Gastro exists

[harsh viper]

didnt understood the point

[warped remnant]

Je ofc that’s where lot of the skill comes from but you can’t expect for the herd to just move on after you killed one of them like you could irl :/

[harsh viper]

the mutation u mean?

thats why on my text i said to get rid ofwith the mutations and make it skill vs skill

[icy lion]

@stuck python Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers

[eternal ingot]

What with the stun taking soooo long to recover

[sudden hinge]

@eternal moss I’d say the only thing they should really do is add more stamina drain to charge bite the rotten corpses only giving sepsis is a huge nerf and slowing cera down while moving is good for making it more defensive on bodies.

In all seriousness I get cera was overtuned for a bit but the real op land carnivore is dilo

[limber hull]

the slowdown doesn't really matter is the issue

like you can objectively just ignore it

[eternal moss]

the slowdown is so unnoticeable

[limber hull]

if you know how to play cera, it literally isn't there

because you can just bite before it kicks in, and even when it does, it's just 10%, you're still faster than dibble lol

[vital hazel]

I have played carno dilo and Cera each for as long as they've all been on evrima and I disagree on dilo being op. If dilo was any heavier I'd agree, but it being 700kilos is enough I think it's fine

Dilo is pretty much a glass cannon at 700kg, even with its super fast normal bites

[sudden hinge]

Having free damage that’s unavoidable is not fair

[limber hull]

nah dilo is def OP I'mma be real, he ain't wrong, but that still doesn't excuse cera

[eternal moss]

most people are bad at dilo, and its really hard to maneuver around stuff, cus your turn radius is so slow

[vital hazel]

I would add that I wouldn't mind its venom being nerfed a bit

[sudden hinge]

Never said cera was out but dilo is worse imo