general-feedback-discussion

[junior nymph]

only as a juvie

[pliant musk]

PHEW. Ok, cause this thing is SLOW as a fresh spawn and juvi

[junior nymph]

top speed as a adult is the same

[pliant musk]

TTL

[little oyster]

Ok as a Hypsi and Ptera Main (Only the second part is relevant) I'm going to agree with the Ptera flight suggestion. I'm having trouble actually finding what has been changed (Other than the more awkward method of taking flight, and the Turn Speed which feels weird now, but I might get used to it) but based on what they've said, and my experience experimenting with Pteras on the Hordetest, I agree with them. They seem to have removed some of the things that made Ptera flying so fun, and while making Ptera flying simpler and easier will be good for some People, the skill requirement is part of what makes Ptera flying fun, while still being perfectly learnable.

Again I'm not entirely sure what exactly was changed, and my opinions are still very new, but I would consider @random mirage correct. But those are Just my opinions.

Anyone who agrees with me on the Ptera thing, you can find the Suggestion Here: #general-feedback message.

Also Ptera's base Move Speed feels weird. They should be able to go slower.

[fair jetty]

@deep knoll #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[grizzled matrix]

If i recall correctly that issues should have been fixed in the hordetest

[hushed flint]

@edgy flax why don’t you think trike needs better nv?

[edgy flax]

cus it should be vulnerable at night

[random mirage]

Seemingly these are the biggest changes to PT flight system:

Con Speed gain from a shallow dive (observed by using W to steer during combat) is much more aggressive and immediate.

Con Speed decay is extremely aggressive in cruise. Supercruise is no longer possible.

Con Stamina decay seems to persist longer after leveling off after a climb.

Con/Pro Turn radius during flight is now less than one full wingspan. Probably the biggest number change for the playable.

Pro Straight-and-level cruise descent rate is much shallower

Con Heavy stamina drain while flying against an air current

I still prefer the old style of flight, however I feel a lot of the stamina pressure and feeling of boring flight could be alleviated by removing the exponential stamina drain while holding sprint. It can stay for extended climbs, sure. It feels like we have gained all the negatives of the land dino's sprint/movement system while still retaining all of the exponential stamina spending of the old system.

If the old flight system is off the table, I would like to test the feeling of a flat stamina cost sprint during level flight, a higher turn radius during sprinting and a less aggressive speed gain during shallow descents (using W during combat to steer)

[grizzled matrix]

Having a black screen for several minutes is def an engaging gameplay!

[deep hound]

#general-feedback message i am inclined to agree

[hushed flint]

But not to the extent where it can be killed by a single cera

Trike literally can’t see anything at night

[edgy flax]

so dont make any noise and dont be seen at night?

[hushed flint]

It should be more vunerable yes,every creature in game(even dilo) is
But not to that extent

[hushed flint]

Can’t help that when as I said,you’re a 9.5 ton behemoth that has footsteps that sound like earthquakes

[grizzled matrix]

Ah yes, let's try to be sneaky as the Elephant sized herbivore

[hushed flint]

Exactly

[edgy flax]

so sit in an empty area people i dont understand u

just play deer and dont be in a populated area at night

[hushed flint]

An empty area where there’s no food?

[edgy flax]

eat before it gets night?

dont it got like an hour food drain thing

[grizzled matrix]

Why tf should an Apex Herbivore such as Triceratops "just play deer" ??

[hushed flint]

I don’t think you understand that we’re talking about triceratops. The rival of Rex

a SINGLE cera shouldn’t pose any threat no matter what time

[hushed flint]

Exactly
It’s 9.5 tons

Not a few hundred kg

[edgy flax]

because its night?

[hushed flint]

It’s a trike?

[edgy flax]

what do u think did dinosaurs do when it was night

🤷‍♀️

[grizzled matrix]

Your point being??

[hushed flint]

Sleep,you can’t sleep at night without logging out

[edgy flax]

vulnerable at night so play deer

[edgy flax]

so sit in a bush and dont make noise

[hushed flint]

It’s an apex herbivore and has the worst nv in game

[grizzled matrix]

Is this bait?

[hushed flint]

And when a single cera comes across you?
It’s game over even though you’re so much more powerful

[edgy flax]

it has the worst nv in the game because its an apex herbivore

[hushed flint]

That’s awful from a gameplay and balancing aspect

[edgy flax]

i dont wanna argue i made my point

[hushed flint]

Yk it’s bad when people have to log off because of the appalling nv

You aren’t supposed to just be afk all night

[grizzled matrix]

I get that the Apex herbivore should be at a disadvantage at night, but not to the extent as to not see what is in front of you or where you are going

[edgy flax]

pretty sure it can see when the moon is out

[hushed flint]

That doesn’t happen all the time though.

[edgy flax]

so hide when it doesnt happen

[hushed flint]

Yea you can’t even see 1 metre in front of you as trike

I’m not saying it should have excellent nv but it definitely shouldn’t be what it is rn

[edgy flax]

and in this picture its dark but u can still see

show me a picture where its totally dark

[hushed flint]

You don’t grow a trike to hide,that was never the intent of it

[grizzled matrix]

A full grown Trike should NOT have to hide when it's biggest threat are Cerato pack

[cyan flame]

What exactly are you seeing in that picture?... Cause it looks pretty dark to me

[hushed flint]

Thanks for proving me right
You can’t see anything

[edgy flax]

hide at night? be the apex herbivore at day

[grizzled matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-see-shit-gif-10340128

[hushed flint]

You don’t see any other large herbivore doing that

You don’t see an elephant hide from a single lion at night do you?

[edgy flax]

is ur monitor just that dark cus i totally see in that picture

[hushed flint]

Well considering 3 people have said they can’t see anything,I believe you’re lying

[grizzled matrix]

More like a bull elephant hiding from an hyena

[hushed flint]

That works just as well if not better

Lemme just see how much bigger trike is than cera

[grizzled matrix]

Or maybe ur monitor's brightness is off the charts? because even if i try to see something i BARELY see the bby trike

[deep hound]

i can barely make out where the trike is and i took that screenshot i fear

[edgy flax]

in a sanct obviously

i found this and ofc when my animal has a bad nv i go hide

[hushed flint]

Oh so you’re a baby in a sanctuary?
That makes sense to hide,even then it doesn’t excuse the night vision

And you’re still just showing a pitch black image

[edgy flax]

its not pitch black

[hushed flint]

Uhm:..it really is

[edgy flax]

can u choose like gamevisuals on ur monitor

[hushed flint]

alr i'm looking on my pc now insted of my phone,and you can still barely make out whats in fornt of you

[edgy flax]

why would u look on ur phone when u play the game on pc

[hushed flint]

Because it’s easier

And faster on phone imo

[edgy flax]

u dont get my point

[hushed flint]

No I get it now,I just didn’t know my phone screen couldn’t make it out

But it still shows trikes atrocious nv
It should get better as you grow,not worse

[edgy flax]

shouldnt it be better when ur small and get worse when u grow

[hushed flint]

No because your eyes adapt to the dark eventually

Ofc when you get to elder it should deteriorate

[edgy flax]

ok anyways dont u wanna go ask the people that downvoted ur feedback

[grizzled matrix]

Why not? Maybe he wants to hear why it wouldn't be a good idea

[edgy flax]

i mean it as like he should go ask them

[hushed flint]

Yea ok sure
@livid bear what’s your problem with trike having better nv

Because from what i can tell it’s only positive

[livid bear]

It should struggle to see. Already broken as heck and herbivores already have poor night vision compared to carnivores. If trike gets better night vision then all the herbis should tbh. I only really have an issue with trike night vision at the peak night time which doesn’t last long

[grizzled matrix]

Broken? It's an Apex, ofc it will be stronger than mid tiers

[livid bear]

Did night vision get worse for trike?

[livid bear]

And it’s a herbivore supposed to have poor night vision

[hushed flint]

It just makes trike extremely unviable at night. As I’ve said it shouldn’t have great night vision but it should have better night vision

In its current state a single cera can kill one at night

Because the trike is literally blind

[livid bear]

I didn’t have this problem last time I played. Did they make it worse in recent patches?

[grizzled matrix]

Not to such an extent as to not see at night

[hushed flint]

No to the extent where it’s bling

[hushed flint]

Possibly,it seems very bad this patch

Apart from when the moon is out which doesn’t always happen

And even then it’s suboptimal

[livid bear]

It was fine last time I played. They probably tweaked it or bugged again idk. If it’s worse than it was a month ago then yeah it probably needs to be better. I think some people were saying night vision was bugging again

[hushed flint]

I’m fine with it having below average night vision. But not to the extent where trike(the 3rd strongest herbi planned to be in game) should be useless

[livid bear]

Ok this what yall talking about?

The night vision for trikes

Cause that’s gotta be bugged. It wasn’t that bad a few patches ago I swear

[edgy flax]

i dont think its actually that bad, that picture is from yesterday i found from someone

[livid bear]

That is bad Breh

You ain’t gonna be able to defend at all with that

But I know you can probably cheese with gamma

[hidden pilot]

@warped glade Bro that is NOT feedback 😭

[warped glade]

mb

[warped glade]

do you know the answer

[hidden pilot]

If you safelog, it doesn't stay. If you don't it stays in the server for a minute and can be damaged and killed

but you will keep your animal if it doesnt die

[warped glade]

i safelogged and its gone now

[hidden pilot]

so safelog

[hidden pilot]

must've been a server reset

[warped glade]

how often are serveer reseets bc it happens to me all the time

cant keep a dino alive after safelogging

[topaz crane]

The servers unintentionally rolled back, the Devs are aware

[warped glade]

so there was a roleback last night?

[topaz crane]

yes

[warped glade]

how do you know there was a roleeback do you use any website to inform myself

[topaz crane]

The only way to know is to log in and find out the hard way sorry. It took all of us by surprise

[warped glade]

i was happy today until i got into the game

a whole decade on beta

[round temple]

Hey guys, I have a question. When you use the replay system to watch recorded games, do any of you experience a PC crash when trying to fast-forward or rewind recordings? Any recommendations for a solution?

[hidden crystal]

@glacial lily read the conversation between pumpkin and spandy

[glacial lily]

ah thanks

[hidden crystal]

Np

[spice orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/king-vader-lets-get-him-group-mob-hunt-him-down-gif-10134561

#general-feedback message

hypsi peak

[deep hound]

#general-feedback message i've never really had an issue with stam regen, mostly just stam drain

[scenic hollow]

Tbh I just wanna be a vulture as ptera and fly around in circles above a fight

[teal abyss]

#general-feedback i do think that giving hypsi some sort of "magnetization" or whatever u want 2 call it while jumping upwards wud be a rlly good change. the biggest issue i think ive had w/ hypsi climbing is how half the time you get flung off of the surface youre trying to climb if its geometry isnt perfect. at best its just incredibly annoying and wastes a boatload of stam and at worst it flings you directly into the loving arms of whatever was chasing you to the tree to begin with

a slow climb to help w/ repositioning and lining up jumps would also be greatly appreciated. think hypsi should get around via jumping to differentiate it from herrera but i dont like how it literally cant move once latched

[scenic hollow]

#general-feedback message
Semi aquatics shouldn't but I think it goes without saying troodon and ptera should be able to spawn anywhere

[junior nymph]

I think it means semi aquatics should spawn near water while everything else just spawns anywhere which makes sense cause then you wont be rolling for south plains

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message “us” you’re alone on this brother

[normal shuttle]

Lmao

[tribal girder]

Does anyone know if there's any plan on adjusting dibble attack range?

[normal shuttle]

No

[tribal girder]

Damn :/

[grizzled matrix]

It's probably just desync

[junior nymph]

@runic moat its a bug rn

[runic moat]

Thankfully

[junior nymph]

yeah QA knows about it so

[grizzled matrix]

Agreed

[normal shuttle]

Just punish button mashing on (almost) everyone else

Rather than taking it away from trike

Also, maybe try not spamming and instead respect the cooldown? 😭

[tribal girder]

I don't think so, it's always, you can't even run in proximity of a dibble without being in knock down range

[normal shuttle]

It’s desync

[tribal girder]

Also I don't think desync happens only when fighting dibbles and not any other Dino

[grizzled matrix]

Even when I don't spam left click sometimes it still does the Trash. I liked it better before

[normal shuttle]

It happens everywhere else, but with larger animals or larger attack hitboxes it can become more notorious

Carno and omni are also very significant examples of this occurring

[junior nymph]

@timber locust 1 the ptera stam is a bug rn to do with the changes of turning and altitude. 2 the turning does feel a lil fast I would like a bit of a nerf but the last one is a complete lie. We have waited for slipstreams for AGES and they boost you not using stam and needing to sit if anything its a buff

cause the rework is soon so

[timber locust]

Try flying from south plains to the Dome, following the river

You lose all stamina in a few seconds, can't escape the Jetstream cause it's a canyon😟

Going down from dome, no one needs the Jetstream really

[junior nymph]

from what I know

[timber locust]

They need to be smaller so they can be avoided and more visual

[junior nymph]

yeah they are a pain to go through but it also is just easy to avoid. I took that route many times without much issue

[timber locust]

They are hard to spot in the current implementation and need to be avoidable

[junior nymph]

yeah it being hard to spot is annoying

[timber locust]

Appreciate your thoughts

I just haven't found them helpful

[junior nymph]

id say wait for the full rework to actually fully critique the ptera

[timber locust]

Isn't this the moment to give feedback?

It's now in hordetest

[junior nymph]

yeah but its not actually a true rework

its just better turning and a few flying stuff

[timber locust]

I find their adjustment very altering of the gameplay style and can't say I like they direction they are heading in

[junior nymph]

how? because it uses stam too quickly?

[timber locust]

Hordetest Petra uses more stam than old Petra, but that might just be me adjusting

But the takeoff is clumsy and slow, old one was nicer

[junior nymph]

it does. But thats a bug we have already reported it to QA members and the QA will send to devs

[timber locust]

They just need to remove the normal jump on Ptera, it's pointless and messed with the old takeoff

[junior nymph]

nah IMO this one is better it makes pteras need to be more careful + if you play with it alot it does start to feel nice.

[timber locust]

And the turning radius should lean more towards the old bigger radius imho, especially on a full-grown Ptera with huge wingspan

[timber locust]

Perhaps, it feels really bad on the rubber banding hordetest servers. Hard to gauge how it will be on a better server

[junior nymph]

when its not rubberbandy it does feel super nice IMO also it can benefit from reinforced tendons

it also feels more responsive when you just drop from the air

unlike old ptera where it would take like 3-4 seconds before you can pull your wings out again

[timber locust]

I just don't see how any of all this work they did, which is admirable, really helps the core problem of Ptera: mastering it is complicated and there is no explanation. It's just often misunderstood and none of this make it any simpler

[timber locust]

Not at all, I need to repeatly tap the spacebar now to start doing some weird midair wing-flaps before I enter flight

While before one spacebar tap would open the wings and start flight

[swift raft]

Did they buff Petra stam consumption ? Or am I tripping?

In HT i mean..

[junior nymph]

like I have said its bugged

when pressing w or space you lose like 2% stam overtime

QA knows about it so it should be getting fixed

[swift raft]

Yea I was just reading the past comments thanks, Petra still needs work for sure, but it’s bit better than before..

The turn radius feels off also

Doesn’t feel like we are actually flying lol

[tribal girder]

Fair explanation 😅

[naive wasp]

is this where i do bug reports? i clicked the bug report button in game and it just opened discord on my browser and acted like i had never used the app before. i got frustrated and figured id just ask

[hidden pilot]

no that would be in the bug report form 2 channels up

[topaz crane]

#🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[naive wasp]

ah gotcha. my bad, thank you!

and i dont have permission lol

is rain audio staying on after rain stops a known issue?

[topaz crane]

I'm not sure sorry, but if you fill out the bug report the Devs will be made aware and will look at fixing the issue

[naive wasp]

id love to, but i dont have permission to use that channel for some reason.

[junior nymph]

click the doc..

[topaz crane]

https://forms.gle/ufXDnxNfhRhZ7CCi8

[naive wasp]

oh, im just being stupid huh? there is a form im supposed to click i suppose in that channel?

god damn im getting old, my god lol. thank you

[proper bluff]

yall what is an automod, i just got a warn for bypassing it or sth like that

[topaz crane]

A chat filter, it will flag on certain words and remove the entire chat. trying to bypass it by half typing those words is why you were warned

[proper bluff]

ohhh alr, sry for that

[south sandal]

damn, that accually sounds sick!

[swift raft]

Write it up & post it on channel above this one, maybe add a turtle pic (more noticable)

[topaz crane]

I like the snapping turtle idea, Be a good one to post in #general-feedback

[icy lion]

That's not for suggestions

[topaz crane]

MB...

[grizzled matrix]

My neck hurts just by looking at this, poor Trike must be in pain

[grizzled matrix]

Still hurts my neck

But i guess there's nothing that can be done about it 😦

[sullen marsh]

Hypsi can already go up ledges with W. Just unreliable on small branches.

[sullen marsh]

I don't mind their current climbing myself. I just wish it didn't glitch me through branches and such to throw me off the other side of the tree while I climb.

Or that it didn't decide to throw me off a branch after I land because the game miscalculated or bugged

[pine bone]

man it looks awful, just need to be more creative everything is possible

it breaks the immersion and looks painful

[grizzled matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/there's-nothing-we-can-do-gif-15878626962415498830

[grizzled matrix]

I do hope that it's posture will be changed, but since it causes issues with sparring...it is what it is

[pine bone]

i mean, they can look at how rhinos fight

https://tenor.com/view/engage-in-a-fight-the-bullying-bull-rhino-world-rhino-day-starting-fight-rhino-duel-gif-25269188

[lone summit]

you dont like hypsi squirrel?

[grizzled matrix]

I like Hypsi's climbing being different from Herrera's

I do think that it should be more agile and precise with it's hops tho

[winter mulch]

its an incentive to correct player's irl posture lmao

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message it was never meant to be, though i still want it to have some sort of movement

[lone summit]

as of now its just a bad version of climbing, maybe not the same but not only hopping to climb doesnt feel nice

[grizzled matrix]

😂 😂

[brave trout]

Honestly after being gobbled 4 times by an elite fish, I have to say this is getting cancer.

[random mirage]

Just lost a FG due to bad servers. I wish the devs would work on fixing terrible desynch so we could give more valuable feedback vs dying for no reason while scrambling to find food

Also just died due to an invisible scavenger. GG devs.

[slim fractal]

how comes cera that is the heaviest carnivore atm also swims the fastest?

[random mirage]

Not one single fish or frog along the entire south plains water source. Fix food availability so at least one PT can survive in the servers' hotspot

[cinder blade]

I heard some people saying ptera is getting like a heat vision?? That sounds like an awful idea seeing how most carni groups use a ptera as a scout and pteras already can’t really be fought off by something that doesn’t jump/can hopefully trip it out of the air

[grim tangle]

For Wedge:
My fullest kudos and appreciation for the trike sound design. The deep, brassy, nasal tones are phenomenal. I wasn't sure what Trikes vocal kit could be missing before your most recent work. but holy hell, it's night and day. Best sounding creature thus far imo--not to knock anything else.

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

“Realism-based”

My brother in Christ it could only do that in Jurassic Park

Look at the ptera model lol it has flappy human-like feet more than eagle-like talons

[alpine oasis]

im 100% sure ChatGPT wrote this lmao #general-feedback message

[alpine oasis]

its AI generated lol, the AI doesnt know isle ptera but knows JP one

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

HE SAID REALISM-BASED

It's not AI-generated tho

[pliant elm]

@past crystal Here is a nice video example xd

[past crystal]

ah yes, very normal pounce hitbox in the first place..

[cold garden]

I love the idea of a pteranodon that can pick up small players, disagree with something as big as a dryo. don't want to punish a playable that is already never played even further than it is already by making it 1 shot ko to something that FLIES so can't really be avoided

[urban flax]

I hate it, it's stupid in every way

[cold garden]

i dunno, the ability to pick up and eat babies is done in beasts of bermuda and its done really well lol

[urban flax]

"done really well"
Uh

The simple concept of a predator killing its prey by picking it up and carrying it to great heights before dropping it is absurd

And now people want to apply it to ptera, the playable with the least grabbing-capable feet in the entire roster

[cold garden]

its literally no different than utah able to pounce and 1 shot kill everything, or deino. why are they allowed to 1 shot kill stuff but people dont like pteranodon doing the same for a small window when you're a very small dino lol

[urban flax]

Deino would literally have an easier time grabbing things with it feet than Isle ptera

[cold garden]

Oh with its feet yeah.. but it has a beak haha

[urban flax]

It's conceptually absurd

[urban flax]

Well there's the thing
It can already grab things with its beak

[cold garden]

can it?? didn't know that

[urban flax]

Just bite them
And if they're small enough they get grabbed when they die

[proper bluff]

theres a species of a vulture or an eagle that does literally that lol

but yeah pteras feet are not suitable for grabbing

[urban flax]

On bones lol
Not living animals

[cold garden]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-pick-up-prey-w-ild-animals-gif-8510987

nah there are some that do it on living animals too

[limber hull]

That’s dragging it down, off a mountain, not lifting it high into the air to kill it

[urban flax]

^

[swift raft]

Ptera should be able to pick up juveniles.. if they are under a certain weight.

[barren crater]

Ptera is a fisher that can pick off small animals by pecking them (you can one shot a hypsi). It isn't quetz lol

[junior nymph]

no just no

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

I don't get why we need to remove buffs that support cerato's intended playstyle rather than focus on the nerfs that clearly weren't enough (the speed nerf on charged bite)

Like we're going in circles on what cerato is meant to be

[grizzled matrix]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZjllaDY4azZtcThlMmQzMjRjOWVncHBxZnFic3hqY21qbTBuNXlmYiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/9FI1LojHJBSv36H2fr/giphy.gif

Agreed, I do think that Cera should have the upper hand against a Carno. But making Cera almost impossible to hunt for a Carno is not good. If the Cera wants that stability boost, it better find a corpse like the scavenger its supposed to be.

[limber hull]

"Most herbivores that were able to stagger and knockdown Ceratos are still able to do it, I don't understand why the indirect nerf to Carno was necessary with this change"

That's the idea. Cera is a bully to other carnivores who chases them off food and keeps them away, it's not a hunter. It makes sense for it to have a notable advantage against carnotaurus

[barren crater]

Hold on. Carno can still stagger a Cerato that's charge biting

@grizzled matrix

[swift raft]

What buffs got removed?

[queen locust]

none but the suggestion was asking for the stability buff to get removed

[pliant elm]

Unless Cerato had its speed constantly reduced and a stam cost increased for the charge bite, a stability bonus is completely unnecessary

[swift raft]

What do we know regarding pachy? Any future rework/buff ?

[grizzled matrix]

agreed

[grizzled matrix]

10x is a bit much but i agree that elite fishes should spawn more often

[cosmic thorn]

@scenic hollow the problem with giving Troodons venom early on is that Troodon venom is species wide. Meaning if one juvie Troo envenoms a big dino, every other Troo reaps the benefits. That might result in people zergrushing with freshspawns, which is kinda antithetical to survival.

I do agree Troodon needs a bit of QoL for its juvie stage though.

[scenic hollow]

the baby troodon venom would work like the babies themselves get reduced pounce damage and DOT contributions, meaning an adult would need to inflict the venom for the good DOT but a baby still wouldnt do any extra pounce damage. the DOT would be barely enough to kill anything above teen at spawn but would do bonus damage to ai maybe to allow for hunting deer and goats now that they can attack back

[scenic hollow]

so essentially if a baby inflicts venom = less DOT, if a adult then pounces the DOT gets raised but the baby doesnt do more pounce damage, taht goes for if the adult struck first too.

[limber hull]

To be fair, HT troo juvi is both like, less than a kg, and also is EXCEPTIONALLY slow

Yes, it could hypothetically deal venom, but most trots outspeed its sprints lmao

[limber hull]

DoT is hardly a part of Troodon's hunting strat, it has VERY low DoT

[scenic hollow]

i honestly think atp they should significantly reduce its food loss on spawn, it loses half its stomach in like 10 seconds before it slows

[limber hull]

that's because it gains so much weight proportionally so quickly

it's kind of also par for the course with small creatures due to how fast they actually grow

[desert arch]

Once sanctuary ai actually get implemented troodon will be chilling

But until then it would be nice if it got some more beach spawns as a band aid fix at least

[scenic hollow]

that would be true if it wasnt so slow, it made sense when it could find food easily, now it just slowly walks around looking for scraps, something it cant even do well anymore

[scenic hollow]

they just need to let juvi troodon eat insects that spawn in sanctuary, literally just a vfx of flies and its good

[hidden pilot]

We're getting edible dragonflies and grasshoppers

[scenic hollow]

when though? are they prioritizing that over the likes of a playable, or literally anything else like dryo burrow, balance and performance? we arent getting that for like a year minimum so why not add flies as a quick temporary fix

[hidden pilot]

Cus it's not big enough of a deal to worry about rn

[scenic hollow]

yes it is, troodon is literally impossible to start with unless you spawn sp or get very lucky and find a non rotten corpse

[limber hull]

eh, i mean, with its new diet, it's a lot easier imho

[hidden pilot]

Honestly u grow so fast as troo, its pretty easy to get to the point that you can make your way to a player inhabited area. Though with new troo speed on spawn... Idk

[hidden pilot]

What changed?

[scenic hollow]

its easier to grow, but how many starts have you not scavenged a corpse on low hunger?

[scenic hollow]

more food items give nutrition, almost all ai and many dinos

[hidden pilot]

Bottom of the food chain moment

Ah thats cool

[limber hull]

It has effectively every single AI on its diet except boar

[scenic hollow]

im talking about hunting an ai or something

[hidden pilot]

Even fish?

[limber hull]

not fish, no

[scenic hollow]

nah, thats semi aquatic exclusive. and herra, for some reason

[hidden pilot]

Dang. No fishing troodon

[scenic hollow]

it would be cool, but also really weird considering how it can kill a diablo solo if you are good

[hidden pilot]

Thats gotta be a really bad diablo

[scenic hollow]

they knew what they were doing, i just hunted them at night so they couldnt see anything, let alone a little troodon scurrying around on the forest floor

[hidden pilot]

Dang w troodon gameplay

[scenic hollow]

unfortunatly i didnt kill them fully because they ran, but they were so low they used a mud pit and didnt stand for like an hour

they had like 20 dibbles in a big overpack

[swift raft]

Troodon juve speed nerf doesn’t make any sense to me.. why make the slowest animal in the game ?

[normal shuttle]

no brazilnuts tho (plants count as AI)

or elite fish

[pliant elm]

I didn't understand much either, I think the devs think juv troo is very dangerous xd

[swift raft]

Like no one was worried or complained about juve troo.. has no venom till 2nd mutation. Resets venom stage if it pounces before it gets venom, it’s absurd..

[swift raft]

#general-feedback message

hypsi got a charged jump which make latching even sweeter

[faint folio]

@queen walrus it would be nice if Rex had some mechanical differences from Omni on pin (a LOT more of the roster is pinable by a Rex), but I don't get the point about the animations. Each model already has over a hundred animations, and each animation is probably a couple thousand dollars if you price out the time an animator is paid to design, animate, and polish an animation, plus the time to code that into a game. Functionally, as I understand it all animals have a "pinned" animation set (eg enter pin, pinned loop, exit pin, etc) that plays any time an animal is in the pinned state. I don't think it adds much to have unique pinned animation sets on every animal for each animal that is capable of pinning (eg rex, allo, Omni, etc), particularly when you consider the price tag involved

[queen walrus]

It adds m u c h. Say for example if the pin is directly on the neck, with different audios etc. Would be way more immersive

The question is - is it worth it? I don't know

The larger issue though is the mechanical part, not the animation. I think rex's pin should serve some other purpose

Maybe instead of a pin, it can rip a large chunk off of something - and cause large debuffs
That would add an entirely new mechanic to the game which can be utilized by other creatures in different ways and would also add a new aspect of gore

way better than a glorified omni pin

[faint folio]

But having different animation sets by location has the same issue as having different animations per animal. Say if you divide by hitbox - so head (neck), body, legs, and tail base (tail tip shouldn't award pin imo). That's 4 regions, with a minimum of 3 animations each (enter pin, during pin, exit pin), so 12 animations per animal in the roster, times 40ish animals.... That's a HUGE amount of money and time, where the only real difference is visual. The mechanical implications are exactly the same

That also stacks if you then make different pinned animations depending on the size of animal doing the pinning

[faint folio]

I like this idea. But even if Rex keeps the pin, I'd like it to distinguish itself mechanically in some way - for starters, maybe its a reduced threshold from Omni, so a pin is possible below 60% of its weight or something (still quite a lot of the roster in that band). But honestly pin really just needs some mechanical complexity where you actually do have a chance to escape the pin somehow

[queen walrus]

I gotta give it to you, you're good at analyzing stuff like that in depth. That's definitely a good way to think of it

Yeah it would cost a lot of money, but everything does. I gurantee you, there are probably thousands of visual animations with a spiderweb of mechanics upcoming in GTA VI for example - which aren't "necessary", but the fact that they are there makes the game more alive

"over"doing it and making a spiderweb out of a single feature is costly, but EVRIMA has always proved to be focusing alot on quality. We care alot about quality compared to the competitors

and yeah i really want the rex pin to distinguish itself alot in some way, from the omni pin

if allo, rex, and omni ends up having the same pin it just won't feel right

[faint folio]

True, but keep in mind that R* probably has an entirely different magnitude of budget than the isle, and they intentionally choose to develop their worlds so thoroughly to stand out from their competitors. Many of their "extra" animations also serve mechanical or thematic purposes in telling their narrative. I havent played GTA but I have played RDR2. A LOT of their extra animations are reusable - Arthur's extra animations can be used on NPCs as well because they're probably very similar if not the same rig. The isle has the problem of 40+ unique models and rigs with all the same required complexity and suite of animations. It's difficult to reuse

I think it would be more justifiable if you linked the difference in animation to mechanics. For example, what if a pin to the head has different effects than a pin to the legs?

Alternatively, it could be a nice "polish" step as they're finalizing the game. But as it stands, I think it is an unnecessary expenditure to both animation budget and animation schedule

People are already unhappy it takes months to release new animals as it is

[queen walrus]

Yeah opened my eyes there, right now there are definitely other more important things to focus on than spiderwebs of animations in rex

But mechanically with the pin, did I notice right? It's basically the exact same as omni's pin as far as we know? or is there something different to it that i don't know of

[faint folio]

I'm not sure to be honest. I don't think Rex is in HT yet, and I haven't been watching the dev streams. I thought that rex's crush ability is it's "pin", and I've heard that people have viewed the placeholder values for its damage, but those are likely to change during testing

[limber hull]

seems like a giga thing more than a rex thing

[queen walrus]

rex having some form of that would be a good way to introduce it early on
and that mechanic in itself would add a new touch to our gore, add more depth to it which is highly requested

[queen walrus]

If it's not a glorified omni pin, what should it be? Should it just do alot of damage? i don't know i can't really think of ways to distinguish pins between allo, omni and rex

[limber hull]

i mean... rex's crush mechanic alone already has plenty depth

it can:

• activate an execution mechanic on very small creatures
• pin creatures smaller than it
• deal hefty damage to creatures around its size
• initiate sparring

i think recontextualising it this late in development is a massive mistake

have fun waiting another 3 months for rex lol

at some point you have to come to terms that there will inevitably be mechanical overlap

like, triceratops having effectively the EXACT same kit as dibble is here, yet we're worried about rex having a pin at all?

[queen walrus]

pin creatures smaller than it? omni has that, allo maybe has that

hefti damage as well, omni has that. unless rex can pin something its own weight somewhat and deal damage

[limber hull]

im gonna assume rex can't just pin another rex

devs want that to be a massive fight between two powerhouses, not "first to RMB wins"

[queen walrus]

rex is the most important playable in the roster, the most popular - the most sought out for, and the most impactful (not in evironment but with how the game will market etc)

it's important that its mechanics are distinguishable

[limber hull]

that's legitimately just an opinion and i dont see what it has to do with anything

[queen walrus]

opinion?

[limber hull]

just because rex is rex it should not have pin?

if pin works on rex, it can work on rex

rex is plenty unique

[queen walrus]

this is literally true

which playable is

• more popular than rex
• or sought out for
• or impactful in marketing
  ? none other than rex

those things make it more important

[queen walrus]

rex being rex is the reason to why it should be very unique

There is a reason why they put more animations into rex than they did into omni or carno or cera etc

[limber hull]

it is very unique lol

[queen walrus]

yeah it is. I mean unique in mechanics

[limber hull]

should it also not have sparring because dibble and trike have it?

[queen walrus]

Its pin should be very different than omni's against 80+% its weight

should not just be a one hit oneshot in the same way

[queen walrus]

rex's sparring is not comparable with trike and diablo's

it's entirely unique because it's the first time a carnivore is sparring, and it looks also completely different

[limber hull]

and its pin is (despite us knowing nothing about it besides it having a pin)

like we don't know any of the specifics of said pin

just that it is a pin

[queen walrus]

its pin is the same as an omni's against things that weigh less

did you see what the juvie rex did to fg galli

[limber hull]

yea, we've known it's getting that for months now lol

it got shown off doing it to a dibble as an adult

[queen walrus]

yeah? no sht? but we didn't know it was going to be exactly the same mechanically as omni? it's a disaster

[limber hull]

it isn't exactly mechanically the same what

[queen walrus]

it's not the same mechanic but the mechanics are too similar and basically the same

[limber hull]

yes, that'll happen

it's the result of a colossal roster like this

[queen walrus]

should not happen to rex

[limber hull]

why? it works fine for what rex is supposed to be and mechanically doesn't need to be something else than it is

why remake the wheel when you have a functional one

like genuinely rex was probably always going to end up with a pin. It's an animal that focuses on biting on something and not letting go till it dies

If you're small enough, you're not going anywhere

It's a pin

[frank tapir]

I just hope the animation is ok

[limber hull]

You also seem to be under the assumption that people will be turned away from the game because rex and omni share a mechanic which

What???

Who's going "I can't play this anymore rex has a pin"

[hidden pilot]

No one cares if it mirrors another mechanic, it makes sense for rex so it's getting it

Big deal

[queen walrus]

When did I ever mention that people would be turned away

[queen walrus]

No

[faint folio]

Honestly my only real problem with it is if Rex can one-click pin ANYTHING smaller than its weight like Omni. A 6T stego or sub trike is a significant time investment (we're talking hours) and that time should be respected by not making it a 1-click-to-win scenario imo, especially if Rex will be faster than these two at equal or greater size. I think that a 100% threshold works for Omni because in the grand scheme of things, animals that weigh roughly 500 kg or less either grow quickly or are out of that weight band fairly quickly. Rex should have a lower threshold (comparative to its own weight) to pin

[hidden pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[random mirage]

Any pteranodon's find that we're dropping food less often while in the air?

[queen walrus]

Rex out of all playables should have mechanics unique to itself, which other playables don\t have

[hidden pilot]

womp womp big stronk lizard

[normal shuttle]

I strongly doubt it will pin stegos

I think it should go for Maias at best in terms of a pin

[unreal summit]

Subject: Ongoing Cheater Problem on Official Servers

Dear Isle Development Team,

I’d like to report a persistent and increasingly frustrating issue on the official servers: the widespread presence of cheaters.

Players are using teleportation, wallhacks, speed exploits, and other unfair advantages that completely break the core survival experience. Many of us invest hours into growing and playing carefully, only to be killed instantly by players clearly abusing the system.

Despite the in-game report tools, it seems little to no action is taken:

Cheaters remain active for long periods

New accounts allow them to return without consequence

There's no visible moderation or transparency regarding bans

This is especially concerning in a game like The Isle, where the survival aspect depends heavily on fair play and immersion. The current situation is driving many dedicated players away or forcing them onto community servers just to avoid being cheated.

I strongly urge you to:

Reevaluate your anti-cheat systems

Increase moderator presence or automated detection

Communicate clearly with the community about how you plan to address the issue

We love this game. But without a trustworthy and protected environment, it becomes harder and harder to stay committed.

Sincerely,
Troll

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3vqcnoPAOs

[cinder haven]

This is why you shouldn't play on Official Servers

[mortal parrot]

@compact timber #general-feedback message I think it is fine, Cerato's Charge Bite being a defensive tool is how it should be and the stability supports that role

If a Cerato has a charge bite active then don't go near it

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

easy way to spot someone who doesn't get how gamedev works lol

[neat ibex]

Where’s the @ bro

[limber hull]

you got here regardless lol

[neat ibex]

Bro ain’t no way u don’t feel what I said at all, and like I said I’m not a dev…

[limber hull]

anyway

guy who make concept art for tree ≠ guy who programs the dinosaurs

there's no overlap

stopping working on trees doesn't suddenly make dinos go faster, it just means the dinos go the same speed and the guy who works on the trees isn't doing anything

[neat ibex]

Correct. Meaning the guy working on trees can be working on a separate Dino… is that what u meant or does he only work on plant and textures?

[limber hull]

that's not how that works

creature modellers and environmental modellers are two very seperate things, and you'd still need to go through the programming, animating and sound design phases, each having a different team/individual working on it

they already have so many models prepared too, so modelling isn't really the prioirity

they've got a massive backlog of models for unreleased dinos

[neat ibex]

So then what’s the priority?

[icy lion]

Which now the artists are making the skins for

[icy lion]

Depends on which team member you ask

The monthly devblogs are good insight, as many different devs discuss their priorities

[limber hull]

ATM? Rex and trike lol

[icy lion]

Currently the largest priorities are the hordetest, rex, and trike

Though the concept artist isn't working on those ofc

[deep hound]

#announcements message

[neat ibex]

Ok so I get that those two are main priority but hasn’t it been 8 months since last Dino drop? Does it take that long really?

[icy lion]

Maia released in December, and for animals as complex as rex and trike, yes

[limber hull]

Given the sheer level of complexity on rex and trike, yea

Rex is effectively 4 animals balled into one with its growth being how it is lmao

[icy lion]

Trike is being prepped for release, and rex is being prepped for hordetesting, as mentioned in the blog

[mint sonnet]

https://youtu.be/J1AH-FWJLXg

[neat ibex]

Like I said in my (opinion) in feedback. I’m not a dev I don’t know. But I feel like having a team that has already done this on the same engine shouldn’t take 8 months to drop one dinosaur.

[icy lion]

Already done what?

Evrima and legacy aren't on the same engine if that's what you're referring to

[frank tapir]

december wasn't 8 months ago

[icy lion]

And developing a dino for evrima is nothing like making a dino for legacy

[neat ibex]

Legacy, I though it wasn’t same engine. Is it not?

[icy lion]

Rex has over 800 animations for evrima because of its growth and the amount of mechanics it has

Not to mention that no code, nothing at all, remains from legacy

[limber hull]

UE4 and UE5

Technicaly different engines (and Unreal Engine 5 has an insane amount of challenges of its own)

[icy lion]

Even the rigs and animations for most of the dinos has to be remade, and that's assuming the model was even kept

Sounds, too, all redone

They haven't "done this before"

They've worked on a dino game previously

[limber hull]

Legacy doesn't work remotely like EVRIMA either tbh

[neat ibex]

Makes sense. And u guys make good points. I don’t do code, dev work, anything of the sort. I’m just an average gamer. If u guys didn’t come into chat I wouldn’t have thought about all that as well.

Didn’t even think about the new animations made for even the already made dinosaurs too

So do the basically have to scratch a lot of stuff just to add different ones as well?

[limber hull]

A lot of the time people don't really account for how departments work in game dev

Just like how you wouldn't get your marketing guy to deal with finances in a regular office, you gotta just wait for the finance team to figure it out

[icy lion]

Everything from scratch, unless they decide to keep the model from legacy

Trike at the very least shares a lot of mechanics from diablo, but even then there has to be changes made due to the size difference and the ability to spar with rexes

[neat ibex]

That’s wild. And thinking about it like an office made sense to me XD. I don’t work at an office but helped with concept. Do both of you do coding and stuff, how u know that it works like that?

[icy lion]

I was on the QA team for 3 years

And by and large, they're extremely open about their development process

Especially in the monthly blogs

I first heard of the game right when evrima was being made, so I've basically just had a tab kept on it the whole time

[neat ibex]

So the YouTube videos bashing are just talking out of their butts?

[icy lion]

For the most part, yea lol

[neat ibex]

I try to look things up about it but everyone just constantly says “ takes 10 years to do anything” in a nutshell you know?

[icy lion]

Like, sure, updates come out a bit slower than most people (even the devs) would like

But everything they're doing is brand new, both to them and the genre

[mortal parrot]

Sparring is a reason why its taking Rex and Trike a while, they're having a hard time getting it to work together with different species

[icy lion]

There's no guides for what they're attempting (especially since UE5 documentation is basically nonexistant)

[neat ibex]

That’s why I even put the feedback cuz I thought it was just a safe space. Didn’t mean to get ripped first thing lol just was an opinion of a non dev.
And yeah I thought it was the same engine too, I was thinking “ you have your blue print what’s taking so long?”

[mortal parrot]

Were you talking about the new strain plants in the dev blog?

[icy lion]

Lol you're good, I've just seen.... a lot of that type of rhetoric from people who are unwilling to learn about the game if you get what I mean

[fair jetty]

@pliant elm #general-feedback message Keep in mind that any changes not included in the patchnotes probably is a bug, also a lot of the issues with falling off of stuff is almost certainly due to high ping and latency on ht

[neat ibex]

Yeah well a lot of people are toxic I’ve noticed. Inability to be reasoned with lol. U guys have me chewing on new info which soothes my mind about it haha

[mortal parrot]

Were you talking about this?

[neat ibex]

No that was the changing redwood in the latest blog. It was little ago had about the flower and tree bark. I read and was like “ no way that’s what’s happening right now”

But all in all thank u guys for shedding some light on what to think about💪🏼

[pliant elm]

Herrera has had this problem since Maia was released and it has never been fixed and I don't think they will fix this hordtest even though it is much worse...

[mortal parrot]

iirc they have some plants already made just not currently in the game yet

[neat ibex]

Thank u people’s 🦅

[chilly ermine]

logic and reason prevailed, and there was peace

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

"It always feels like you're going down the same path and not getting anywhere"
"The hills make it so you don't have the freedom to move around like you did on previous maps"
"Isle V3, feels much better than Gateway"

how can you possibly say all that and still think V3 is better lmao

And saying Spiro needs to come back is wild given just HOW garbage the design on that map was

[mortal parrot]

@cosmic lantern #general-feedback message Herrera is bugged

[cosmic lantern]

i can see that but why nerf the climbing and stamina?

[mortal parrot]

Bugged

[cosmic lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/frodo-keep-your-secrets-alright-then-lotr-gif-12907121

[mortal parrot]

When herrera does that jump thing when climbing it loses stamina, so everytime you slip you lose stamina

[normal shuttle]

@frank notch that’s not how game development works

[limber hull]

boy i cant wait for my constant stream of garbage

[normal shuttle]

Models with no animations and just their stats hovering around 🔥 🔥 🔥

[limber hull]

i mean, depends if they even time to do that in one day lol

[normal shuttle]

Not even abilities

[wooden agate]

t posing titanoboa from legacy vibes

[normal shuttle]

also imagine the sheer balancing hell

of churning out these static unpainted statues without sounds all with their different stats

T posing rigid spino ruling the meta

[grizzled matrix]

Legacy reference?

[normal shuttle]

titanoboa reference

and also that bug yeah

that super old bug

[grizzled matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/snake-drinking-water-cute-gif-20336507

[solid dust]

#general-feedback message
i second this, reinforced tendons feels like a must get on herra just to retain some stam when traversing

[junior nymph]

@dim raptor is replay enabled?

dang its not

my theory is since your fps is 19 redwoods ARE in they are just not accessible

[dim raptor]

Yea that could be why and no i didnt have reply on

[compact timber]

if it had a cooldown between usages then yeah you'd be right, don't go near it

[dim raptor]

good theory i hope the red woods are inside

[limber hull]

yea they turned it off on account of people using it to rex track

[urban flax]

@charred grove That's what occlusion is for

[icy lion]

@coral shuttle They're optimizing the hordetest because the hordetest becomes evrima

[coral shuttle]

Kk

[faint folio]

Hi I'm late to the party, but I wanted to add one more thought to the honestly pretty respectful conversation about game dev. Tapwing (the dev doing all the tree/flower/plant art) is the team's concept artist. In other words, they are the first cog in the game dev wheel after the brainstorming phase. What that means, functionally, is that Tapwing is working essentially years ahead of the later stages of the dev team, like the programmers that are taking polished animations and audio clips and hooking them into the game engine. Tapwing HAS worked on adding new dinos already - there's lots of their concept art floating around for everything from quetzal to tenonto. But they're working ahead of the rest of the team so they don't block the critical path. The devs don't need concept art for dinos that are in the final stages of development and implementation, honestly

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message @ornate spade the fundamentals behind ambushing is to one shot, not every playable needs a whole rework

[limber hull]

additionally, herrera is 175kg

once it's on the ground going for the hunt, it's in great danger to basically ANYTHING it's decided to initiate with

you genuinely cant rework it in such a way (nor should you, because it simply will die to the follow up hunt after the ambush most of the time)

this also is on top of the fact there are areas on the map where herrera just... does not work

[neat ibex]

Thank you for the insight! I was trying to wrap my head around it and even look up stuff on YouTube about it but got nowhere. I got more helpful thought processes in a single conversation on DC than all the info I got from my own searches. So thank you for the kind words everyone has given me here. Totally changed my thought process on how much goes into even tho smallest things

@faint folio

[naive thicket]

#general-feedback message

They're about to update official Evrima branch to whatever is the latest Hordetest patch. So that's why they're focusing on the HT.

[mortal parrot]

I don't think it needs a cooldown, I think these changes are what it needs #balance-feedback message

[void orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/coming-in-for-a-landing-keen-eyed-killer-grab-eagle-hunting-gif-18823373

#general-feedback message

I’m thinking something functions along this kind of idea

[normal shuttle]

@ornate spade I am sorry...But git gud, herrera does NOT need better land movement, and in fact it might even need a slight nerf there

it is meant to be an ambush predator

https://tenor.com/view/herrera-gif-6184379319352403749

[void orchid]

However since PT talons are meant for grasping or carrying things, it would need to use its beak as a spear, like a marlin does

[normal shuttle]

ptera is getting new attacks and becoming a more efficient predator in land

it probably does not need that

devs will make it capable of thriving while sticking mostly to the ground

[void orchid]

Are you talking about the attacks on HT? I’ve tried them and it doesn’t help with chasing a rabbit through a field at all

[normal shuttle]

Getting a whole new rework. Just look at the new (?) sprint lol

https://tenor.com/view/kaperoo-evrima-pteranodon-the-isle-gif-10702103593393764545

[normal shuttle]

not just that, ptera is getting an ENTIRE rework soon

prolly alongside rex

[void orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-jumpscare-jump-jumpscare-frog-toad-jumpscare-gif-17126897754304945804

[normal shuttle]

not just those attacks, it is getting more stuff

[void orchid]

It’s like a frog my goodness

[normal shuttle]

true

[ornate spade]

just because its "meant" to be some way, doesnt make it a fun gameplay experience. it's pretty much dont stand still under trees in south plains, and thats it. theres no skill in the "ambush" and ambush predator done right is more like carno, who legitimately takes skill to sneak up on opponents, not just sitting there until some random decides to rest under your tree

[normal shuttle]

but yeah ptera is gonna stop being useless for anything but skimming fish

[void orchid]

Interesting, that will make it much more enjoyable to play and hunt with. Did they slate when they are wanting to try this?

[normal shuttle]

there absolutely is skill. Roaming herra is peak gameplay and sp herras only really are there to be noob stompers

Setting up ambushes as herra in highlands and the like is interesting and skillful

[icy lion]

It's in active development, the recent devblogs have touched on it a bit

[normal shuttle]

in some HT, definitely not this one

[ornate spade]

its alt attacks are MUCH faster on HT right now, thats all i noticed other than massively buffed movement and different takeoff

[icy lion]

There's a few changes in HT atm but not the full rework

[void orchid]

this is an important note! I was operating off the assumption that this HT WAS the pt rework in full

[ornate spade]

and yet 99.9% of the herra playerbase doesnt do it, why? bc sitting under a random tree in south plains is more effective

[ornate spade]

are these changes coming to live branch?

[normal shuttle]

But we know:

• Ptera is getting more attacks and potentially rebalancing to make other tiny tiers and most juvies be a more careful
• More efficient land movement to potentially thrive there for most of the time
• A way to fish on the ground
• New flight
• New slipstreams

basically current ptera will cease existing

[normal shuttle]

it's not more effective, it just takes less brainpower and it's also partly a hotspot issue in officials

but in a place like petits, highlands herra is so peak and interesting

[void orchid]

This is fantastic news!! I always wanted PT to be a “mini apex” amongst the tiny tier.

Much how a Quetz will be to the mid and small tier

[icy lion]

Generally speaking everything in an HT comes to the live branch

[normal shuttle]

and also many doqi vids show that stalking herra is good

herra has a very low skill floor, but moderately high skill cap. Good design

[ornate spade]

yeah in the only server that has a big pop, literally every other server doesnt have that, you live off AI, starve or sit south plains. lame gameplay loop most of the time

[normal shuttle]

dunno if mini apex, but it will probably cease being useless vs anything but hypsi and also be able to better take advantage of land kills since ptera's stamina is abysmal for anything but flying

[normal shuttle]

Hotspot issue, not herra issue

[ornate spade]

thats why im saying it should be able to do more on the ground to incentivise leaving south plains, running further around the map etc

[ornate spade]

thats their only spawn thats decent, and everywhere else on the map takes 4 years to run to

[void orchid]

Yes it definitely needs a lot of help. I hope one day it can move ever so slightly while clinging to something. Not a full herra sprint up a tree but something to get on a branch easier lol

[ornate spade]

and theyre not safe on the ground bc theyre useless in a fight, a solo troodon can easily 1v1 them

as a FG herra

[normal shuttle]

Delta and WRA are solid too

[normal shuttle]

or we could fix hotspots and keep our well balanced carnivore as it is...

[ornate spade]

for growing off ai maybe, but later on you have south or west rail pond and thats about it if you actually hope to find a meal

[normal shuttle]

probably not since there's not much of a point in that when it can fly and already has the best 3 dimensional movement in the game

[ornate spade]

well that works too but every dino in the game spawns south plains just about

feels like its the only spawn that matters 90% of the time

[normal shuttle]

yeah, hotspots are not good

seriously, poor herra

it's the only carnivore currently who is moderately well balanced besides HT carno and troodon

everyone else is either terrible or laughably overpowered

herra is just like teno in terms of being stable in the meta

[ornate spade]

i mean yeah i wouldnt say its overpowered

but it's pretty lame

of a playstyle

should have at least SOME kind of warning

like sounds when its flying through the air or something i feel like

[normal shuttle]

the warning is that you can actually see and hear the thing

[normal shuttle]

on its most basic sense, yes, but basic herra players are exceptionally easy to avoid and even kill

[ornate spade]

not if theyve been sitting there for 20 minutes lol

[normal shuttle]

the problem are those who use their brain and can be anywhere

[normal shuttle]

your fault for not watching your surroundings then

[ornate spade]

my fault for not looking at literally every tree in south plains, thats my point, it's just annoying that the only way to deal with them is to look at literally every tree on the map... at least deino theres water they cant get you in

[wooden agate]

well lets think

we know there are herreras in the trees near SP, regardless if we know which tree

so that would mean....,,.. avoid the trees at SP

(south plains)

but thats too hard i agree, nerf herrera into the ground

[woven bane]

it does make a screeching sound before it lands

[ornate spade]

It’s not too hard, it’s just absurdly and unnecessarily obnoxious, and I didn’t say nerf it, I said an adjustment

[woven bane]

you can also not stand completely still perfectly aligned under their tree, you don’t have to constantly look up

[ornate spade]

I have never heard a sound from a herra. Complete silence and the only way I know I died to a herra is seeing it in the deceased screen

[ornate spade]

They can jump 4 business days away from the tree, literally the entire sanctuary side of south plains river is off limits

[woven bane]

you can be there, just be extra cautious

[ornate spade]

It’s kinda snooze when you’re trying to hunt one of the only hotspots on the map and have to stand in a wide open Field to not instantly die to a herra

[woven bane]

it does make a noise idk what to tell ya

[desert arch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1312562061863026789/1356711955804717288/FC51931.MP4?ex=6849d8f8&is=68488778&hm=e0b3cbb466f5b091bc03f1c299cb02413a64b3462b65181062398838665c38e8& Here, you can clearly hear a loud shriek as Im flying though the air

[woven bane]

potato coming in clutch

[ornate spade]

Let me play that once and now I can’t rewind, sounded like the cera eating the body to me; the only noticeable sound here is the weird gulp it makes when it jumps (which you can’t hear at all when it’s 100m above you)

But if that is case make the sound start earlier and louder instead, I don’t think anyone has heard a herra falling to them, and reacted fast enough to get away

[woven bane]

it makes the sound when it’s like a meter away from u

[ornate spade]

Yeah what’s the point in that, you’re already dead. It should be an early warning of like 1-2 seconds

So if you’re on the ball you have a chance

[woven bane]

you do have a chance to react, you can LITERALLY see them flying at you

[desert arch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1312562061863026789/1357057099674419381/586A8D1.MP4?ex=6849c8e9&is=68487769&hm=ff4e04ee35b3a4b09f7a5c269b1ade3c77de1a1ff602ca9ebed9645b9711a5e0& Have another then 😭

It makes a super loud sound

[ornate spade]

That’s literally the sound of the raptor dying

[woven bane]

regardless, i think your suggestion would make herrera less gimmicky and more generic

[desert arch]

🤦‍♂️

[woven bane]

my brother.

[ornate spade]

Maybe a herra hitting sound in there too but that’s a hit sound not a “I’m flying through the air about to hit you” sound

There’s literally silence as it’s falling

Like what shriek are we talking about genuinely, you actually tryna say it’s shrieking as it’s falling ?? 😂

Surely you are just messing with me like what

[woven bane]

yea

[ornate spade]

The first time you load it up yes, but it’s audio desync. If you’re on the rewind to as it’s falling there’s no sound until it hits the raptor

Very obvious raptor death sound I’ve heard it many times. That is not a sound the herra makes lol 😂

The shriek is raptor taking damage, and the hiss is raptor dying, because it got one shot it’s playing both audios

There’s literally no sound until 13 seconds in, when he slams the raptor

[desert arch]

Raptor dmg sound is way different what

[ornate spade]

Even if it is herra making that sound (which I’m sure it’s not) that’s once contact is made, which is again, NOT a sound of it moving through the air

No human is reacting to that

[desert arch]

First herrera makes the sound of a cera eating, now it makes the sound of a raptor taking damage.
Just choose one please 🥀

[ornate spade]

It’s not even possible

[ornate spade]

The first clip was buns the audio quality was complete garbage 😂 how you gonna even use that as evidence

[pliant elm]

This would take away his ambush ability. Herrera has all the known spots on the map. You basically only die to him if you want to or if it is really in some extremely rare exception.

[desert arch]

Herrera makes that sound as it gets into the ambush animation (arms facing forward, mouth open etc)

[ornate spade]

And 90% of the time it’s opening its arms as it’s hitting you, like that clip, that’s about the height of most trees around the map

Even if it does make that sound, which I’ve played herra plenty of times and never heard this sound once, as well as died to it, the sound plays far too late

[pliant elm]

https://medal.tv/pt/games/the-isle/clips/k7hToBLrRTIGvmvFt?invite=cr-MSxQTmYsMjY5NDg5MTk3

[ornate spade]

Even deino you get the shallow riverbanks so you get maybe a second to react and move or jump to potential allg avoid death

[ornate spade]

That’s a clear clip

Yeah can hear it in that one for sure

[pliant elm]

Take these first 2 omnis as an example, they could simply not have died, as this is a place where 90% of the time there is Herrera

[ornate spade]

Would not call that a shriek though what 😂

[woven bane]

would you call that a roar lel?

[ornate spade]

Idk a grunt, huff something like that

A shriek is making me think high pitch

[woven bane]

that is NOT a grunt

[ornate spade]

Kinda low pitch

I would say it’s more of a guttural sound than a high pitched one

Closer to a grunt

[woven bane]

anyways, you can both see and hear it coming, i’d say it’s fair

[compact timber]

❌
stop the cerato glazing!!!! now!!

[ornate spade]

Well if you didn’t see it in the first place you’re not looking skyward, and again the sound plays way too late for it to be anything close to meaningful

So you very much can’t see or hear it coming

[compact timber]

"cerato needs more buffs!!"

[woven bane]

you can hear the climbing sound

[ornate spade]

Yeah I think they’re fine when they’re actively moving around the map, hence why I said they should be better at doing so, so they don’t sit south plains in one spot waiting for someone

[pliant elm]

to think that there are people who really think that Cerato needs buffs, one of them being Dondi xd

[ornate spade]

When they’re sitting in a tree for 20 mins you can’t hear anything

[woven bane]

that strategy only works on lobotomized players

[compact timber]

yeah!

[ornate spade]

Or ones that are in the middle of a fight with something else, win, and then die trying to get organs, literally anywhere in south plains

[woven bane]

and there isn’t really a way to force them to move around if they don’t want to, player behavior after all

[woven bane]

should’ve expected it if you know that the area is infamous for herreras, at least look up every once in a while to verify

[ornate spade]

No, but you can encourage it, meaning some people will move (less camping)

[woven bane]

in what way?

[pliant elm]

Dondi can't even hide how much he loves the Cerato anymore, it's literally obvious seeing everything he does for the Cerato.
At least I hope they improve the 2 "nerfs" made to him in the hordtest, increasing the stam cost and making the speed reduction constant

[ornate spade]

Making them less useless on the ground so they’re not a walking meal when they’re away from a tree, it won’t be as much of a risk to run big distances without a tree. (You might see some SP herras sitting in the tree line opposite sanctuary)

[woven bane]

people accused dondi of being carno biased once….. look at how that aged

[ornate spade]

And further into the map

[woven bane]

eh i think it’s fine as is, nerfing what makes it unique just to buff its brawling capabilities is just gonna make it generic

the appeal of herrera is the concept of “death from above”, i can literally pick anything else if i want a more ground oriented playstyle

[ornate spade]

I’m not saying a massive nerf, just to the point where it’s not like one shotting carnos as a 150kg Dino

I’ve had a herra literally kill me as a FG Carno with a pounce and a couple bites while I was stunned, bled out before I could get out of range of the treeline

I feel like a FG Carno shouldnt have to worry about tree rats when it’s strolling through SP

Especially considering there’s like no way to actively fight back

[wooden agate]

you mean the animal that was unusually weak to bleed died to bleed

(which got changed in HT recently lol)

[woven bane]

the rat in question being the size of a lion, carnos practically bleeds out to a paper cut but that has been resolved on HT^

[ornate spade]

Yeah but it’s 10% the size of a Carno

I feel like it shouldnt even be comparable

[woven bane]

it isn’t anymore

[ornate spade]

Let alone win in a couple shots or less

Thank god for that

[woven bane]

yea it can pretty much only drop things like omni-dilo, who aren’t that big

[normal shuttle]

Cera needs a fat nerf

but this image just reminds me that

the idea of buffing carno based on the premise of cera being op (not saying you did)

Is such a Megamind creating Titan moment

https://tenor.com/view/under-new-management-more-like-under-new-management-megamind-megamind-meme-jokez_da_joke-gif-19867663

where the whole thing just backfires catastrophically

[compact timber]

LMAO

[brave trout]

Hordetest is unplayable

the ping is so unstable

[hidden pilot]

ht moment

[mortal parrot]

@lone crypt The Dewlap is a signaling tool that only other Herreras can see glow

[lone crypt]

Ahh okay i did not know that

[limber hull]

this is rather disengenuous and clearly designed to push a narrative

Is cera strong? Hell yea lol that's obvious as day

But carno has many advantages itself

• "Runs faster" is underselling it - it has the highest base movespeed of any carnivore, and with its charge, exceeds all speed besides a sprint-flying ptera and a call-boost galli
• Its charge doesn't just have a big hitbox, it has a consistent and persistent hitbox for as long as it's active. It can literally not even know the prey is there and still hit it, and it forces everything to respect it due to the speed and hitbox straight up nuking whatever walks in its path
• It also absolutely has more stam as of HT. It is exceptionally stam efficient on top of its speed, moreso than cera
• On that note, the stam combined with speed makes it one of the most easy animals to pick its fights. Doesn't like the look of a fight? It can just GO wherver it wants and pick whatever fight it wants, whenever it wants. It has some of the most combat agency for also being an animal that is over a ton.
• It also doesn't need to eat as much as cera to get full, as cera is actively wasteful, a carno and cera eating the same food will be less benefitial to cera

Yes, I'd argue cera is still BETTER, but I won't sit by and allow the narrative to be pushed that somehow carno has no advantages

[compact timber]

I dislike the current changes to Carno if it's going to come at a cost of never being able to compete with Ceratos again

that was the fun of Carno

[limber hull]

I'll be real, the only reason I see this "need" to compete with cera is BECAUSE cera is so evidently busted, so people want to knock it down a peg

If anything, cera should simply be made to have its slowdown and stamcost on charge bite kick in instantaneously and I think it's perfectly fine. Carno and cera should coexist, but I don't feel they should be clashing all that often. Carno can just go "nah" and cera has tools to fend off carno

I have never seen the "fun of carno" being fighting cera. In fact, the parts where I found carno the least fun was basically every single update post-cera until the 1.3 ton rework. It was often too good at ONLY fighting cera and literally no one else

[compact timber]

if they remove the ability of a Carno not being able to stun a Cerato ever again, but allow for Cerato to stun Carno via vomit, that's just not going to make fair fights ever again, I've tested this repeatedly the Norden admin server that, the most balanced way of doing a Carno vs Cerato in Evrima was if the Cerato didn't have any bacteria, but in this case, even if the Cerato didn't have bacteria, the charge bite comes so fast and the stability modifier is applied so fast to the point where it is quite literally a counter to Carno's charge

and let's say Stability was made through the modification of weight

it still wouldn't make sense because Carno can charge things up to 50% bigger than itself

[compact timber]

Not really, when you get good at Carno "small game" isn't fun anymore because they often run away by out turning into the bushes, or try to fight back and die. Only when fights like a pack of Ceratos vs a pack of Carnos really make me and my Carno pack actually excited to fight something

like a Maia or Teno fight for example

they're one of the only fights for Carno that make me excited to utilize my abilities as a Carno and take it down

even though as Maia not as much because you cannot charge it

I don't want Cerato to be like Maia, yes, sure, reduce the stun duration it has with the stability modifier

but I dislike the fact that Carno simply has it's charging stun completely removed, making the only way to actually fight a Cerato is to bite it

and I've tried this; if you get like below 50% health, you YOURSELF get staggered for charging a Cerato with an open mouth display

[limber hull]

Then at that point I see it as a disconnect between what you want from an animal and what carno sets out to provide

It's designed to hunt small, and you don't like hunting small. That's FINE, everyone has their own tastes, but I find it hardly fair to use that personal taste to dictate how carno's balance should be going forward

Carno is a menace in its role in HT, and it is extremely well balanced at completing said role. A juvi or small too far from the treeline will likely end up dead and buried

[compact timber]

I don't "hunt" Ceratos though. Much like how people like to cannibilise their own kind, or fight carnivores that are not on their diet, Cerato is a competitor, and I will refer to Owls and Ravens/Hawks for this sort of competition as to let you know that small hunters doesn't always pick on small stuff

[limber hull]

I think it's a matter of comparison. Of course carno, a hyper specialised creature with very drastic highs and lows, will always come up short when compared to the "great at literally everything" king that is cerato

I think the stability mod was genuinely a good idea, if it were also on top of an instant slowdown on charge bite, allowing more unique uses of defensive counterplay/parries that would make cera counterplay engaging

And not have ceras just have their fingers glued to RMB because that thing hits like a nuke

[compact timber]

Yeah, like there are counters to Carno, like for example, you swim past a river and this guy takes like twice as long if not longer crossing it, or you out-turn it into the bushes, or you do simple right and lefts until you reach a forest, I rarely get killed by Carnos when I encounter them because I mainly play that playable so I know that they have actual counters

as for Cerato, I couldn't tell you what a counter really is

for that creature specifically

I can only say that "if you have a higher speed and stamina thershold, run"

[limber hull]

The counter is "staying away" because it's slow, or completely overwhelming it, but that's kind of the issue, because cera really ain't that slow

[compact timber]

That's not really a species specific counter though, you can counter everything by just staying away, including Carnotaurus

they're sort of trying to add a counter, as to I think why they've added salt licks to drain your bacteria stacks

but considering that, I think even the dev team is aware of the perfection that Cerato is

[limber hull]

that's not even a counter, it's literally designed more to motivate you to go away even more

like cerato is just meant to make you go away

[compact timber]

you see thats the problem, there is a tracking system in the game, and finding a Cerato that won't use it is quite rare

yes, I get it

body bully and all that, which is absolutely amazing that they make you leave, BUT

[wintry whale]

@barren zephyr Please only post legitimate and constructive feedback in https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120

[compact timber]

why do they get a reward until you leave (which let's say it's a counter to Cerato, and I'm talking about the body buff)
Carnotaurus gets punished when you camp cliffs (slow turn speed), camp water (slow swim speed)

[barren zephyr]

Ok lack of Dino’s game boring

[compact timber]

You see, a lot of the creatures in the game camp cliffs because it makes it so that the attacks can come from one direction only, and they can counter-attack. But for Carno, not only can they do that, they also give Carno the risk of overshooting it and falling off the cliff because they have such a long stop and low control over their turning

Designing a creature to be a small game predator is completely understandable, but designing it so that it can't do anything better than that eliminates so much potential

[junior nymph]

@brazen mantle speaking facts in his suggestion

[brazen mantle]

I wonder whose idea that is 🤔

[junior nymph]

😛

[brazen mantle]

Wanna tag you and tell them it's your idea?

[junior nymph]

nah gang its alg

[brazen mantle]

Aight

[junior nymph]

@copper condor dont make rex live off ai

it should be a given that the apex carnivore needs to kill players to survive

[copper condor]

yeah i mean kraken as in latest horde test ... i did wonder if some would think of rex as the kraken

[junior nymph]

whats the kraken? or am I just dumb

[latent olive]

bro....

[copper condor]

clash of the titans ... release the kraken - my way of saying i am ready for horde test to go live ... just need closer to normal ai than previous horde test releases

[junior nymph]

oh

I understand now I was just dumb mb

but I do like AI being scarce tbh

it means starving is actually a issue and something to worry about

[coral shuttle]

Evrima still has the same performance problems in the south and part of hl, wasn't it that they had solved it?

[junior nymph]

thats cause of issues with player counts and bodies

[coral shuttle]

What are you talking about friend, without there are players in the south it gives performance problems, apart from being catastrophic the sound of the waterfalls xd I spoke with arguments not with 0 IQ xd

[junior nymph]

thats alot of xds

also I was talking about how south and hl usually have players and bodies dropping which cause performance decreases

[coral shuttle]

The bodies do not lower the performance but the poorly optimized of the map, they want to release a new map when the current one is not even optimized with flying trees

[junior nymph]

they dont wth

where did you get info about a new map

also bodies do lower performance

im sorry to tell ya

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/one-punch-man-opm-saitama-source-i-made-it-up-gif-24755713

[junior nymph]

||they def pulled from some youtuber or something that knows nothing about the game||

[coral shuttle]

Xd

U no play hr xdddddd

[junior nymph]

hr?

you mean hordetest?

cause thats not a new map thats map changes...

[urban flax]

High rank (competitive)

[junior nymph]

you also seem very insecure doing xddddddd

[junior nymph]

💀

[coral shuttle]

Ok bro Impossible to make this boy understand

[junior nymph]

tell me without writing like a 6th grader and MAYBE ill understand

you miss alot of words in your sentences

[coral shuttle]

Maybe my only interest is with a developer, not with a player

[junior nymph]

THEN WHY ARE YOU RESPONDING TO ME you speak in code

[coral shuttle]

Ignored for lack of brain

[junior nymph]

yes you

[coral shuttle]

15 years xd?

[junior nymph]

you cant string a sentence together

[coral shuttle]

Mature a little

[latent olive]

corpses/bodies 100% impact performance

[junior nymph]

THANKYOU 🙂

[urban flax]

I doubt any developer would be interested in communicating with someone who knows nothing about what they're talking about AND is incapable of having a polite conversation

[junior nymph]

says the guy using xd

[coral shuttle]

LOL xd

[junior nymph]

proved my point

I swear you dont understand how the game works

[brazen mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-helly-gif-1864576065289467748

[junior nymph]

or your typing makes it seem like you are saying something completely different

[latent olive]

great counter

my counter:

theres a reason servers are restarted continuously every day

also why petit pieds has a body wipe frequently

[junior nymph]

✅

perfect counter

[coral shuttle]

Ok rd blocked since you don't know how to keep quiet

[junior nymph]

LMAO

https://tenor.com/view/addition-to-mycollection-more-collection-gif-14095863

[coral shuttle]

It restarts by the cache xdddddd

[latent olive]

what do you mean cache

[coral shuttle]

Have good arguments

[junior nymph]

owlenstien live in my memory make him actually realise how a game works

[latent olive]

i dont know how poutine does it, but the official servers turn off and boot back up basically every 8 or so hours

[urban flax]

You have literally no idea of what you're talking about

[coral shuttle]

Obviously you won't know what it is, if you don't know anything better, don't think, they're ridiculous

[latent olive]

i think

i think youre just vomiting words

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1190479571762548807/1215465899444928532/attachment-2.gif

[urban flax]

Since you mentioned his name he's probably gonna appear soon and clarify it

[junior nymph]

I love how he uses commas now since I said he cant string a sentence together and now it makes no sense either

[latent olive]

oh he will, but hes got a mountain of replies first to deal with, considering the recent outcries against him and his server

[urban flax]

Outcries against him and his server ?

[junior nymph]

yesterday

man it was just isle discussion hating

[limber hull]

flying trees have nothing to do with optimisation

[latent olive]

to summarise, bad things have been happening in his server, people are talking about things about him and his server

[brazen mantle]

bad things? can you be more specific?

[latent olive]

something something hes turning into the dondi stereotype

[coral shuttle]

Another with a random photo and with 0 IQ or blocked arguments

[latent olive]

not really because i have no real idea about community server drama because i dont care about community server drama

i just know people have been talking about how the moderators are abusing their powers or something

[coral shuttle]

[junior nymph]

wave this man speaks in morse code

[latent olive]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1377241529306976356/image.png?ex=684a0be0&is=6848ba60&hm=6cd9841bd3bbb4e2ec50188e6d565c866c4f123fc847caeaf4c1402f31fdc56b&

[brazen mantle]

i got a taste of that months ago

[junior nymph]

[junior nymph]

wait wdym

[latent olive]

regardless, bodies impact the performance of a server/framerate and if you say otherwise, youre only saying otherwise so you can get more engagement out of a conversation

[coral shuttle]

It's hard to teach 12-year-olds, stubborn and spoiled 🐀🐀🐀🐀

[limber hull]

i have a degree in game design and development lol and have worked as a game dev, that's just a minor map error, it doesn't remove optimisation

corpses do, because they need to be tracked and can be modified

[urban flax]

Especially when you make 0 effort in providing anything meaningful to your point

[brazen mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-rage-bait-baited-rage-baited-angry-dog-gif-2047466162835898859

[latent olive]

he

he left

[limber hull]

i mean... you're right, although not in the way you think you are

[latent olive]

lmfao

[coral shuttle]

What more details do you want, or do you prefer me to do it with puppets?

[latent olive]

wait WHAT

[coral shuttle]

[latent olive]

WHY IS DISCORD SAYING HE ISNT IN THE SERVER WTF

[urban flax]

What source do you have to back up the claim that corpses do not impact performance while the rest does ?

[latent olive]

what on earth is happening

[coral shuttle]

Rendered, do you know what it is?

[cyan flame]

I guess spawn lake, or spiro center, wasn't laggy due to eveyone fighting and dying there

[latent olive]

guess what rendering corpses does to a server lmao

[cyan flame]

Must have been something else, not the excessive amount of people, alive and dead

[coral shuttle]

Even the dinosaurs themselves need optimization

[limber hull]

they also have to render corpses

and corpses are physics objects

and physics objects are notorious for being extremely demanding on performance

[urban flax]

Do you know what
-Physics
-Interactive objects
-Attributes (food and rot values in this case)
Are ?

Also do you imply corpses are not being rendered ?

[urban cypress]

Who thinks corpses don't impact server performance? 😄

[latent olive]

yeah but have you considered that I used the letters “LOL” in a reply to your message

checkmate

[coral shuttle]

If you told me servers of more than 200 people but one of 100 and it's terrible of fps? Maybe I don't have to talk about this topic with you, you're not a developer, you're a simple player

[urban flax]

Please rephrase this in a way that makes sense

[coral shuttle]

In those servers there is a lot of dead in these it is very, very mild

[limber hull]

ive been a developer of a game therefor am i allowed to talk

[urban cypress]

im a developer. can i talk?

[urban flax]

Technically so was I

[latent olive]

I’m a lizard can I talk

[junior nymph]

are they dumb? 'there is a lot of dead' WHAT??? just say theres alot of corpses

[latent olive]

English might not be their first language so let’s not get nasty

[junior nymph]

when they were making fun of me I think I can do it to them

[latent olive]

mods, throw an electric scooter at him

[junior nymph]

😦

I dont want a electric scooter tho

[urban flax]

This time it looks like he actually left

[timid cliff]

HT down.

[urban flax]

All according to plan.

[timid cliff]

My luck I get the chance to actually play it. lol. See what happens now… will we get an announcement.

[junior nymph]

dondi said a build is coming so yes

[timid cliff]

Nice 👌🏾

[cyan flame]

@violet dune What's wrong?

[violet dune]

theres a lipid tree in front of me and im still eating graze

very bad

doesnt matter im close or far im eating graze

its NOT eating lipid

they need change graze button

[hidden pilot]

Man this was an interesting NPC interaction

[hidden pilot]

seems more like a UI/visual bug. Perhaps the plant isn't physically there

[violet dune]

no if i try to eat it like 5 min

i can eat tree

but i need to try EVERY position

[vernal jacinth]

The tree is bugged then. You just need to move to another area.

[rich scroll]

What is the point of the graze system and forging for gastroliths.

[junior nymph]

grazing is so you dont die and gastroliths lowers hunger so you can gain more diets

[icy lion]

The current hordetesting patch has not been moved to evrima

[feral jackal]

Any deino eggs?

[vernal jacinth]

Wrong place

[feral jackal]

oh yes -_-

[timid cliff]

Thank you. I assume HT is still down 😃

[vagrant dune]

Playing HT with Herrera is extremely difficult it’s unplayable right now with how glitchy the climbing and pouncing is please fix

[rich scroll]

Oh ok

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

Make photo/noct the two worst muts in the game and restrict a fun mutation to only coastal creatures for some reason

[subtle swan]

They are 'must haves' and that's stupid. same as Salt (because deinos exist).

gastro could also do with a hard nerf but everyone knows that.

[limber hull]

okay but your proposal just makes them infinitely worse than celluar regen in every way

yes, they're OP, but your proposal just makes them really bad

[subtle swan]

seperate the speed and the locked hp regen or roll the locked hp regen into cellular then and get rid of the speed muts entirely.

[subtle swan]

also some of the bush sounds are playing for the wrong animation (e.g. hypsi is playing crouched sounds when trotting.)#general-feedback message

[full pewter]

@sweet oasis I’ve heard a lot of people propose stam draining effects to troodon venom. While I get the logic behind it, I think there would be one MAJOR unintended consequence of this, Mixpacking potential. Imagine a troodon with his rex pal, all the troodon has to do is get the venom up on his victim, and the victim will run out of stam, giving the rex the opening it needs to finish off the victim.
Outside of this, reducing the victims stam is not gonna make troodon better at its job, keeping up with a victim is rarely a problem as troodons are naturally fast. And even if the victims stam is drained, it can still use alt attacks, the primary defense against Troo packs.

[sweet oasis]

mixpacking potential can be argued for literally anything, though. pachy breaks your ribs, your stamina drains faster. breaks your leg, you can't run. dilo gives you venom, you can't see to run away from the rex. maia groups with your carnivore, runs stuff down for you. etc etc

the game will have mixpacking deterrents eventually, i'm not interested in mixpacking problems. it's just going to happen until then

we don't need to care about limiting every single animal because of one subset of players that like to mix groups with their friends

[limber hull]

pachy isn't the same situation because its fractures don't scale endlessly like troo venom does

troo venom impacts a trike as much as it impacts a dryo

this would be devestating in mixpacks

[sweet oasis]

and that's another suggestion that i was workshopping with friends. troodon venom should be harder to advance on larger creatures. problem solved

[limber hull]

so nerf troodon's punch up element to give it what is effectively body fracture

[full pewter]

I never said I agreed with those either. Pachy, and any bone breaker for that matter, could be argued to be bad Mixpacking issues. I’m only saying we should prevent these wherever possible.
Also Maia is very bad at running things down despite its speed, its so clunky on biped stance that it’s hard to land anything

[sweet oasis]

no it really isn't that hard to be honest, it has superior speed and outstams things pretty easily actually

[full pewter]

That’s greatly dependent on what the deterrent is, a mixpacking deterrent mechanic always has the possibility to be exploited or even bypassed, but that’s all dependent on its execution. For now I don’t think we should rely on that, and instead consider the current climate

[full pewter]

Tbh I’d probably call skill issue to the victims if they’re getting run down by Maias

[sweet oasis]

then that's their problem i guess, but again literally anything can mixpack with anything and get an advantage

[limber hull]

sure, but not a "50% faster stam drain and slower movespeed" advantage like that

[full pewter]

How though? Does each stage take longer to reach on larger victims? More pounces? How should it be harder? Just thinking

[full pewter]

You’re right, but we shouldn’t add mechanics that promote it

[full pewter]

That’s why stat reducing mechanics are so tricky, especially if they can be inflicted by small, fast, fast growing species

[full pewter]

Cause I can tell you that using troodons to reduce a victims stam so larger mixpackmates can get an opening, is a far more effective strategy than playing troodon as intended. Considering the build you’ve proposed

[sweet oasis]

yes, it should certainly take more effort to fully envenomate a triceratops compared to something much smaller. if a trike is getting fully envenomated in 3 pounces, that seems absurd to me.

i understand that troodon should be able to punch up, but not that well

[full pewter]

How many pounces is fair to you? Just curious. For trike

[sweet oasis]

i'm not suggesting a crazy increase in pounces either

i don't think troodons should be hunting a fully grown triceratops to be quite frank

6? 9? it would have to be playtested for sure to figure out a balance there

[grand frost]

why did they delete my feedback

[full pewter]

I get the intentions, but try thinking of how to execute them. Sure a troodon shouldn’t be hunting trike often, but trike is also not very good at defending against troodons, it’s too slow and its turning can’t keep up. The main thing trike has is its raw bulk

[sweet oasis]

but like, alright, i get that stamina drain might not entirely be the niche to go for with it

[full pewter]

Troodons stam usage buff on pounces is exactly what it needed. Since stam usage was its main problem before

[sweet oasis]

if it's not good at defending against troodons, then why should it be able to be fully envenomated in 3 pounces

[full pewter]

I agree it shouldn’t, how many pounces should fully envenomate a trike?

[limber hull]

honestly having troodon going BACK to needing to burn through a ton of stam to increase envenomation is just cycling back to the troodon we had before (except worse because now it takes more time, more risk and potentially more stam)

[sweet oasis]

i didn't say anything about it having to burn an absurd amount of stamina my guy

if you have a troodon group and you're playing correctly, you should be trading out with your packmates for each pounce, letting your packmates regenerate stamina while you take your turn

even if you had, say, 3 troodons and a trike now took 9 pounces to envenomate, that's not burning through your entire stamina pool lol

[limber hull]

okay but then the solo troo experience just sucks then?

[sweet oasis]

why on earth would you be hunting something that big as a solo troodon

[limber hull]

im not talking trike here

[sweet oasis]

what are you talking then??

[limber hull]

the moment something takes 2 pounces to increase a venom stage, it's already MUCH tougher than it needs to be

i personally just really dislike this additional stamdrain idea. Just feels like it'd be extremely annoying to go against, and doesn't capture the "impacts you physically" in a way that's actually engaging for both sides

[sweet oasis]

okay, but give me an example of what you are talking about taking on as a solo troodon

and i did say that stamina debuffs were maybe not the way to go, i do acknowledge that part

like okay, if a trike takes 9 pounces to envenomate, something like a diablo would still take around 3 or 4. diablo's like a third of trike's weight, that would make sense. and additionally, if the change i suggested to allow troodon to sustain its venom through continued attacks were implemented, this initial increase in pounce requirements would be balanced out since you would not have to reattain stage 3 over and over

i'd also be very interested in other suggestions on ways for troodon to physically impact or debuff things

because like, going back to the root of the suggestion, having it have visual debuffs is still rather odd when that is dilo's niche

and i'm still adamant on the fact that we should not be worrying over what mixpackers will be doing with different dinosaurs. they already do it. every single dinosaur has mixpacking abuse potential, and giving troodon a buff in any way even if it isnt stam drain would still increase that potential no matter what. buffing any dinosaur increases its mixpack potential. that's not what we need to be focused on. like i said. pachy can break your bones for a rex. dilo can envenomate you and blind you for a rex while sending clones at you. diablo and maia and carno can knock you down for a rex. pteranodon and cerato and galli can easily track you. herrera and omni can give you insane bleed. at what point do we just remove every mechanic that enables this rather than just wait for them to implement ways to prevent mixing in the first place

[ornate spade]

real, mixpacking is the issue, not how dinos abuse it, make mixpacking against the rules on officials, problem solved. only players who lack any semblance of skill mixpack, because it gives an unfair advantage against players playing the game as intended, just as bad as hackers, why it isnt bannable IDK

[sweet oasis]

okay so like. mixpacking used to be banned on officials when i was an admin, and the team was run ragged by reports. so that's why that rule was removed, it is just not a sustainable rule for official admins who are moderating dozens of servers

for something like a community server where they just have one or two servers maybe, but not officials

[ornate spade]

when a "gameplay aspect" is hated this much by the community, a logical dev community will look at that, and find the most effective way to reduce or completely negate that in their game, not sit there and say "well they can do what they want" regardless of how they planned their game to work.

It's not really about "well this is how i want it to be" it's about making money, it is a bussiness and unless they want their game to die they should probably address the issue

[ornate spade]

i know the dev's dont want mixpacking in their game, but it doesnt seem like a priority to fix the issue

theres plenty of ways to reduce it without destroying the admin team

-make herbies able to group with any other herbivore
-make some sort of indicator when carnivore/herbie sit together for too long
-reduce the amount of food mid tier+ carnivores get from AI

[sweet oasis]

sorry why would herbivores grouping with any other herbivore prevent mixpacking

that is literally encouraging further mixing

[ornate spade]

ive been playing the game for a few years now and mixpacking was nowhere near as prevalent when i first started, you still got the occaisional mixpacking stego with deino, but nowhere near this bad

[ornate spade]

it allows players who dont want to play a stego, still play with their stego mate and group up, without playing carnivore/herbie

[sweet oasis]

but they can already. just stick near each other

[ornate spade]

nowhere near the amount of players frown on herbie/herbie mixing as they do carnivore/carni or herbie/carnie

[ornate spade]

yes but grouping is more convenient, allows for grouping with randoms and encourages a more friendly population of herbivores rather than a bunch of diablos killing everything they see

herbivore mixing isnt nearly as much of a problem, if anything its healthy for the smaller herbivores as whats the point in playing dryo if you cant herd with some tenos for example

herbivores in real life do the exact same thing, and we dont have much evidence to suggest dinosaurs werent the same

ive never hunted a baby dibble in a stego herd and thought damn these cringe mixpackers

[sweet oasis]

herbivores in real life also kill other herbivores so that's kinda not entirely a good point

i'm not as big against herbivore mixing at all though

[ornate spade]

they dont go out of their way to do it 99.9% of the time

right now in the game it's an expectation that its going to happen

[sweet oasis]

certain animals absolutely will just kill things because they can

hippos for example

[ornate spade]

but are they gonna chase them across the map? because thats the experience with herbivores right now

[sweet oasis]

but like i'm not here to argue realism

i want fixes to the egregious amounts of mixing too

[ornate spade]

yes but realism is what the game is trying to achieve, and it influences players expectation

they expect to see a carnivore roaming around looking for food, not one eating nothing but goats and being a stegos pet

[sweet oasis]

but also. no this actually doesn't encourage anything friendlier. if a group of diablos wants to kill everything it sees, they're gonna do it no matter what. and then let them group with their also aggressive maia and tenonto and stego friends..... do you see the issue. the game encourages stomping out threats so aggressive play is beneficial at times

[ornate spade]

similarly if youre walking in a field and see a cow, youre not gonna be terrified as if you see a tiger, the cow could totally just kill you for the lols, but its not the expectation

[ornate spade]

yes but those players are doing that regardless, the group function is changing absolutely nothing.

[sweet oasis]

exactly so. why do we need it?

[ornate spade]

not for those players? and for the general playerbase who would play the game as intended

[sweet oasis]

but it's still going to be used by them, yes?

why make it easier for them?

[ornate spade]

for a more social experience in herbivores so instead of carnivores being friendly with everything a player that would be like that may prefer to play a herbie

[ornate spade]

with this logic why not make every dino a rex, then mixpacking doesnt exist lol

[sweet oasis]

what even

[ornate spade]

if we cant flat out say "hey this is bannable" then make mechanics that will deter it

even if it doesnt fully negate the issue

[sweet oasis]

making herbivores able to group with each other more literally doesn't deter anything

you make no sense to me

[ornate spade]

it encourages mixing of herbivores

[sweet oasis]

it will actually change nothing, it will in fact just make it easier for these aggressive mixed groups to not friendly fire

[ornate spade]

and NOT that of carnivores

which inherently makes carnivore/herbievore mixpacks less likely

[sweet oasis]

but it. literally won't

[ornate spade]

ok so why do raptors group up?

[sweet oasis]

being able to see a nametag is not going to make someone be like hey i'm not going to play the dinosaur i want to play with my friends

[ornate spade]

you think there would be the same amount of raptor packs if they couldnt group or chat ? absolutely not

[sweet oasis]

man

[ornate spade]

you know who is on your group, who is not, you can type to that person etc

[sweet oasis]

this is like beating my head against a brick wall homie not gonna lie. we are not going to agree