general-feedback-discussion

[pliant elm]

I think it's better to just increase the sound of Stego and Maia's footsteps and decrease that of Troodon, that would be good and wouldn't make any changes to Dilo

[solemn hornet]

Not only for dilo alone , for all 1 tier roster , but I belive that its not really maters much in terms of balance , there things much more important then sound of footsteps , just make it reasonable

[pliant elm]

Yes, there are several dinos that need adjustments. This could be done after adjustments are made to them

[frank tapir]

#general-feedback message just use alt

[faint carbon]

@dawn hound yeah that's what I initially meant, the debuff wouldn't be instant obviously, it'd take a few minutes for example to appear and it's gradually get worse. It's the only way I can think of to make herbivores stop body camping, it's incredibly annoying when you kill someone and another herbi just stands over them to deny you eating your prey.

And it wouldn't work on dragged bodies or chunks of food, only bodies themselves.

[dawn hound]

well you havent mentioned none of that, and thats mainly the reason why people downvoted on it

[faint carbon]

Bruh me not saying it doesnt mean I want it to be instant, bc I haven't said that either

People just assume the worst scenarios

Also you added it in your feedback suggestion, yet also mostly got downvotes

So I don't understand what's the people's deal, they just wanna camp bodies for spite and ruin game for others apparently

[warped remnant]

I think lots of people are just very tired of gastro healing

[dawn hound]

Why does that mutation even exist in the first place 😭 🙏

[warped remnant]

And je they also assume there is always players that try to abuse mechanic like this

[dawn hound]

Each person has a different way of thinking about it. Some think its actually good, but mostly its just that they think they have a better solution to it, or they just dont want it to be implemented.

[warped remnant]

The worst part is it could technically be a little bit balanced but it doesn’t actually care about how much you eat just that you eat. So you can just keep talking chunks at 99% hunger and keep healing the same amount as normal

[faint carbon]

I wonder what other ideas there are, because the only one I've seen so far is one very similar to mine

[faint carbon]

Wait, it really works this way? I never used this mut but it sounds op as hell

[warped remnant]

Yup is does it doesnt care about how much % food you got it always heals the same amount

[faint carbon]

Bruh that's just scam

[dawn hound]

I usually do that. But now imagine youre an opportunistic hunter (like herrerasaurus), and you just killed something really weakened. Then its herbivorous friends notice it, and come guard it. What are you ment to do in this situation, considering you mostly can only damage things when they are at first unaware of you, but now its whole familia knows about you?

[faint carbon]

Literally can't do anything

[dawn hound]

considering that cera can eat to infinity makes this infinitely worse

[faint carbon]

I had this situation almost every time I played herra

And died bc I was starving and had to risk jumping in between the bodycampers to eat at least at chunk of my hunt

[warped remnant]

You are right a lot of people are just being petty I’m just trying to explain why people react so negatively. They are scared it’s gonna get abused either by intended or unintended things.

[faint carbon]

To be fair every game mechanism can be abused one way or another xd

[dawn hound]

It wouldve been kinda realistic for herbivores to feel uneasy in the presence of a dead body, considering there are already flies and other insects around it, and the nasty smell coming out of the corpse. Carnivores wouldve been however usually specialized to ignore this

[warped remnant]

Cera gastro is a whole new level. If you fight a cera pack you either kill all of them immediately or you are in for a fun 1-2 hours of constant skirmishes with gastro healing stops.

[faint carbon]

Carnivores body camping is technically fine bc it's accurate and happens in nature, they can eat the body they took away from someone too. But I've never seen idk deer or rabbits camping their dead fallen companions from wolves.

[dawn hound]

The problem with ceras is that they are quite unstoppable. You kill one of them, and the rest will just eat its packmate's body, and with gastro they will just heal up if weakened.

There is absolutely no reason for anyone to even try to fight a ceratosaurus as of right now, because of how busted it is.

[faint carbon]

Yeah cerato is absolutely OP

I can't wait for allos and rexes to eat off all ceratos

[dawn hound]

Kind of makes it sad however, since then they will add something stronger, and cera's whole playerbase is gone to another playable like allo.

Why cant we have mid tiers that are kind of just the mix of both big and small? By that I mean both sord of interesting abilities, and both sord of combatitive abilities.

[warped remnant]

That’s fine tho bc it makes cera be able to fullfill his niche

[faint carbon]

Tbh I still play my favourite dinos and rarely move to main new ones, like I always like omni and herra and I focus on them, even if cera or carno or deino are stronger, bc I just like the gamestyle, I'm sure many ppl do that too

[dawn hound]

Just make cera not be able to eat to infinity (and the same should be for crocs)

Oh so you just killed my packmate? Well I am not hungry but I can just eat the corpse whole so you dont get it.

[faint carbon]

Yeah that sucks

[warped remnant]

I honestly like the concept of that a lot. Rn it just feels oppressive bc he is the land apex predator so he can just vacuum all corpses away and none can do anything. But when he’s more niche and the player base is lower I think it’s a fair ability. (As long as gastro doesnt work with it or doesn’t exist)

[dawn hound]

Just remove gastro 🥀

[faint carbon]

+1

[tired kayak]

yall talking about cera?

[left silo]

THE ISLE

[proud coral]

-# SURVIVE IT

[frank tapir]

oh damn the gif did not work

[unreal horizon]

Like what is this devblog damn

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message ah yes, let’s hold content back

[tired kayak]

confirming alot of stuff is bout to be in our hands lol

[unreal horizon]

Great day 😭🥀😭😭😭🥀

[unreal horizon]

😭😭😂😂😂🤡🤡

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message what is this

[vernal ermine]

@willow kiln no

@cinder mauve why do you have that problem but me neither my consistent team ever has it

[acoustic spruce]

@frank tapir I agree and disagree with you at the same time. I want to play Ava but I also want to eat Ava Ai

[junior nymph]

ok buddy

free food glitch for carnos and allos

[acoustic spruce]

Ava will not be free food

They can bite

[junior nymph]

yeah but amarok...

[acoustic spruce]

Amarok don’t know Ava like I do

[junior nymph]

amarok dont know ai like the pot ai devs does

[acoustic spruce]

You should be burned at the steak for speaking of pot

[junior nymph]

it has alot of good thing

why cant players appreciate the pros and cons of both games

blind hate goes nowhere

[acoustic spruce]

True but you can’t sway me

I hope we’ve crossed paths in game and I’ve sent you back to extinction

[junior nymph]

you haven't plus I probs have more hours in the game than you

[acoustic spruce]

Cap I’m an OG OG

I been lurking here since I was a fetus during the games inception

[urban flax]

Boars can bite, still free food

[acoustic spruce]

You are a skeleton

I’m sure there are ceras looking to suck the little nutrients you can provide

[junior nymph]

how much hours gang

[acoustic spruce]

To manny to count

Play on NA2 and if you see a tiger skinned anything it’s me

[frank tapir]

dude

[wooden zinc]

Agreed, i was rlly hyped for Ava and seeing it turned to AI is so sad, ik it was AI in legacy but surely even if they wanted to add a larger AI they coulda put something different in Ava woulda brought some personality to the roster and a ceratopsian that isn’t huge compared to the competition

[normal shuttle]

@willow kiln in what regard?

If anything deino just needs intensive reworking/buffing

because right now is the worst thing to play as and it's not even close

even pachy is more fun and also viable early on

[willow kiln]

I think it’s definitely a cool idea of having the water be involved in the game but I just don’t think it’s fair for anyone to lose all of their progress because they need a drink of water yk

And there’s definitely spots you can go where there’s no threat but you’re not always gonna be able to get to those spots

The biggest thing for me is if you die it’s most of the time your fault, you could’ve done something better to get away or while fighting but dying to a deino is completely out of your control 99% of the time

[vernal ermine]

SKILL ISSUE

[vernal ermine]

Deino is in your control 100% of the time

You can always travel to a safe drinkspot

Deino brought a whole new atmosphere to the game

[normal shuttle]

deino is a shshow

[normal shuttle]

There is no problem with someone losing all of their progress when being ambushed by an apex carnivore

the problem with deino is that it gets completely countered by safe spots in sucha mind numbing way where it can just hope to be a noob stomper

[vernal ermine]

No

[normal shuttle]

and if you don't use safe spots, then it is unfair because deino is invisible and cannot be heard at all

[vernal ermine]

Added a new atmosphere to the game, made water more interactable

[willow kiln]

Just not true

[normal shuttle]

it really is for everyone involved

[barren crater]

at least with the HT addition Deino will be a non factor

[normal shuttle]

you can, but it's just not an interesting interaction

[barren crater]

[vernal ermine]

New player alert

[vernal ermine]

Nope

[willow kiln]

I play raptor and sometimes things are infested and I can’t

I’m not new lol

[normal shuttle]

deino just SUCKS because it is a high commitment, long growth time apex who has basically zero agency over its prey and is forced into being a hotspot noob stomper

[vernal ermine]

You're a new player

[normal shuttle]

saying I'm wrong without explaining why is the same as never contradicting me

[vernal ermine]

I already explained part of why deino is good for the game you grayname

[normal shuttle]

there are many places where you can drink very safely, in every water source except west access (but that one just doesn't have deinos)

[willow kiln]

Barion you trippin bro haha

[limber hull]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[willow kiln]

I also just started playing again so I’m not too familiar with the new map

Ik some safe spots but not all

[vernal ermine]

that's what i've been saying. new player

[willow kiln]

There were deinos in west access today when I was playing

Was not cool

[barren crater]

For me, Deino is pretty useless. May as well not exist. But people like it so why not

[normal shuttle]

"Water dwelling carnivore is good because it made water now has more stuff to interact with" Nearly begging the question. Now explain why this thing is somehow good despite:

1. The entire counterplay for it is to drink behind a log or rock. Such an interesting interaction
2. Safe spots are the only consistent way to avoid deinos because they are very much invisible with negative effort for something that can obliterate 3-4 hour playables with one rmb
3. Its growth is completely at the mercy of larger gators and fish spawning since no one is near the water AND you have zero escape or fight options (and also hiding is only viable in a few spots)
4. It very much only exists in game because it is a cannibal, as that's the only consistent meat source it has once it grows

[vernal ermine]

Deino

• Added a new atmosphere to the game,
• made water more interactable
• Introduced a semi-aquatic early on
• Most unique dinosaur in TI history at that time
• Large playerspike, percentage-wise one of the largest evrima has ever seen

@barren crater if deino didn't get released when it did, water would be 100% safe this entire time. i'm glad you're not a dev

[willow kiln]

And for the record I already said Ik nobody gonna agree with me. I just think it’s such a pointless thing to have in my opinion. It adds nothing but fear of water like cool. And if people are just gonna use safe spots than what’s the point lmao

[normal shuttle]

west access is the lake in the plains area with palm trees around

[willow kiln]

Ye

There were deinos there

First time I had seen that

[barren crater]

I mean the atmosphere barely matters when there's mutation and new water locations to negate it completely.

The rest are things that i personally don't really care for. Cool for others though and yeah people like big croc lol

[limber hull]

Deino would be good if there was more of an aquatic ecosystem rather than

• 8000kg gator
• 90kg duck

[little oyster]

Ok I've Suggested a Mutation idea. Maybe it's a bad idea, but I don't believe so, so maybe try having a look at it if you can.

[barren crater]

Like deino may as well not exist next patch lol.

[willow kiln]

W mans bird

I like the way you think

[normal shuttle]

The new atmosphere being gambling or drink behind a rock
Made it so water can kill you if you don't drink behind a rock and completely screw over another player in a cheap way
How is this a positive inherently?
Not a dinosaur+there are far more unique things right now and that aren't insufferable to play as
It being overhyped and existing in a map that only catered to it is not an indicative of quality

[normal shuttle]

let's be real even without HT water sources around, deino would cease to exist if you did something as minimal as making it not a cannibal

It would immediately disappear. A true show of how viable and interestingly designed deino is

[vernal ermine]

The fact that you're complaining about deino lunge being overpowered, still in 2025, convinces me you're an unseasoned player. Bland

• Safe spots being the only way to consistently avoid deinos is a good thing. You now have to make an effort to drink safely.
  Just like how you need to make an effort to hunt safely

• The interaction counts for every waterspot in the map, every river every large body of water. You have to second-guess when you drink. That's what deino brings to the game, which no other dino (up until soon bary) could bring

• Yup, deino is an ambush predator and it's not supposed to get prey every 5 seconds. Just like IRL, gators can often wait a looong time between meals.
  about the eating other deinos part: Deino is a cannibal btw. So I suggest you quit whining

[willow kiln]

What is ht

[vernal ermine]

No that's not what the new atmosphere is, you're just unseasoned and are tired of getting lunged by deinos

[willow kiln]

Nobody read what barion just said

Trust it’s useless

[vernal ermine]

You get lunged by deinos in 2025. calm down

[barren crater]

new water source at south where even a juvi carno can stand in it. There's 2 other more shallow drinking spots nearby. Nearly every location has some form of safe water

[willow kiln]

I don’t even think I’ve ever been there lmao

When did that come out

[barren crater]

It's in the horde test. A separate branch from the evrima public one

[willow kiln]

I was thinking that lol

That’s cool tho

I’ve never tried the horde testing

Seems like fun tho

[normal shuttle]

Insane strawman argument, I didn't say that. I just don't like its indicators. Also saying I am unseasoned lol

And omg so interesting and fun especially for the deino player when all you have to do to completely counter its playstyle it is to drink behind a rock. Such a good and interesting thing. And the effort in hunting for deino more often than not is just stomping noobs or people who just feel like switching playable

Ah yes, gamble or safe spot. So interesting and such an amazing atmosphere. Nothingburger bullet point

Mfw not only you get few prey, but those that you get are people who didn't drink behind a rock meaning that an apex effectively has no agency over what to kill. And I am not complaining about deino being cannibal per se, idc if they eat each other. The problem is that deino is the only reliable food source deino has that is actually reliant on player competence alone. Everything else just chose to gamble for an unpredictable death or they wanted to die to crocs.

Also we didn't even get started on how absolutely miserable traveling is

[vernal ermine]

It's already very easy to drink safely in gateway, especially as an omni which was what Fade was playing
new gateway will be even easier so if anyone complains about deino lunge, they're automatically unseasoned

[normal shuttle]

strawman argument lol. Easier to argue weird conjectures rather than the actual points

[vernal ermine]

Before I even respond, explain how it was a strawman? It absolutely was not

[vernal ermine]

Strawman argument (your logic)

[normal shuttle]

You are making a conjecture about something I never said because it is easier to say that rather than refuting the actual points

[vernal ermine]

I was directly addressing each of your points you misinfoer

[normal shuttle]

Safe spots being the only way to consistently avoid deinos is a good thing
Nope, apparently countering a playable in a way they are completely helpless and in order to not gamble for your life is a great thing. Peak interaction that people just go on with their life simply drinking behind a rock

[vernal ermine]

strawman argument lol. Easier to argue weird conjectures rather than the actual points

[normal shuttle]

I literally quoted you

You are defending the current state of deino and safe spots

Is this guy a troll, chat?

[limber hull]

im surprised you have to ask

honestly i still feel bary and austro will add a lot more to deino by simply existing

[normal shuttle]

and trying to call other players unseasoned or bad for having differing takes that at least in my case are not tied to personal experience, just things I see with my eyes and then use my brain to process

[normal shuttle]

beipi alone adds more

[vernal ermine]

"chat" ? What are you, a subbed viewer for xqc?
Again, it's not hard to avoid deinos at all. The ones who get lunged ( @willow kiln ) and other unseasoned players, get lunged because they make mistakes. A lunge never happens without a mistake being made

Same with herra pounce

[normal shuttle]

so I'm expecting the same but on a greater scale with those two

[vernal ermine]

The interaction I'm mentioning is not the part where you have to find a safe spot to drink

It's the part where you have to constantly be wary about where you drink , that's the atmosphere deino brings to the entire map and every single player.
You're not allowed to downplay it to "atmosphere is drinking behind a rock" you're obviously in denial here

[willow kiln]

Brother my mistake is drinking water. Shi is wack no matter what you try to say haha

[frank tapir]

I really hope austro can see into water

[normal shuttle]

The mistake in question: didn't drink behind a rock to make the other creature unplayable

If you could do something hit an emote dance to completely evade ceratos as any playable, would that be okay for you? It's a goofy hypothetical but the exact same logic. It's a good thing to have a creature 100% countered by a dumb little ritual as they can only watch you helplessly because otherwise they risk a cheap death

[vernal ermine]

Your mistake was drinking in an open river you legacy* player

• Do you deny that deino forces every player to be wary of where they drink? Yes or no @normal shuttle

[willow kiln]

You talk like a child

[vernal ermine]

Did you or did you not drink in an open river?

[willow kiln]

I drank in a pond west access

And what does that have to do with what I just said fam 😭

[normal shuttle]

I don't deny that, duh

What I don't like is how it works as a hazard

[vernal ermine]

And as a seasoned player you should know that the pond occasionally has a deino in it. You weren't wary, so you got jumped. Booho

[vernal ermine]

Do you believe it is a necessary atmosphere that every player has to be wary of where they drink?

Yes or no

[willow kiln]

Bro how can I be wary. I’m drinking water what am I supposed to do hop in and check?

[normal shuttle]

Or I don't like deino's entire existence being about forcing people where to drink safely. I would rather keep it as a semi aquatic ambusher

[normal shuttle]

No

not where exactly

and not every player for obvious reasons

[willow kiln]

You’re fighting a nothing burger argument bro

[normal shuttle]

just expect it

you always gotta expect a deino in many water sources

[vernal ermine]

What?

[willow kiln]

It’s kinda one of those things where if you see it you’re dead so I can’t do much about it man

[vernal ermine]

You believe the game shouldn't have every terrestrial player (apart from trikes/stegos/rexes) be wary of where they drink?

[normal shuttle]

No, I don't think it's necessary that EVERY player has to be forced to be wary of where they drink

As it implies that I would agree with safe spots and current deino being good, and logically not every player should be vulnerable to deinos

[vernal ermine]

Yes or no

[willow kiln]

We all know it’s bad the only thing you’re arguing is that deino should be avoided. Do you not see how pointless it is to be in the game

With you’re own arguments

[normal shuttle]

All that can be snatched or dunked on by a spino easily

[vernal ermine]

your

[willow kiln]

Yeah you’re a child

[vernal ermine]

You're arguing off of a playable that is not in the game

[willow kiln]

Be honest man how many hours a day are you on Reddit

[normal shuttle]

If we wanna talk just about current roster, then every fg but stego and trike obviously

[vernal ermine]

Apart from playables as heavy as/heavier than stego, do you think terrestrials should be always wary of where they drink?

[normal shuttle]

no, but then I do not like making it only a matter of where to drink, I already told you repeatedly

[vernal ermine]

Alright so you think players should have it 100% safe to drink from water. Thank god you will never be a dev, you'd kill the game

[normal shuttle]

I do not want deinosuchus, a multi thousand dollar playable creature in the game, to be reduced to a knowledge check for other players, where they get one tapped or they have to drink behind a rock to cheese the gator

It's extremely lame, evidently so

[vernal ermine]

Yet the game has more players than ever now roughly, and deino is one of the most played dinos

[willow kiln]

Do you genuinely believe the game would drop even a little if deino got removed

They’d add another Dino and it’d be forgotten about

[normal shuttle]

Can you prove that last part or is it just anecdotal evidence or making stuff up?

Every server has a lot more dibbles, ceratos, herras and stegos than there are deinos

[vernal ermine]

If we kept the current roster, then obviously. If you believe otherwise, you're cooked

But we're getting rex soon, so many deino mains will migrate to that

[normal shuttle]

deino is disappearing next update

it's actually cooked

And I don't think deino is op, it's extremely underwhelming

[willow kiln]

Wym

[vernal ermine]

Notice how I said "one of", you grayname?

[normal shuttle]

It needs to have actual agency over its own damn life, especially as an apex

[vernal ermine]

Yet it is enjoyed and the game is enjoyed

[vernal ermine]

Deino is not an apex

[normal shuttle]

one of at least would imply it's a top pick, but no, we can say that at best it probably is in the middle or even the higher end of the least picked half

[normal shuttle]

it really is, why wouldn't it be?

[normal shuttle]

Some people will enjoy their slop

and the game is enjoyed because of more things than deino

The gator is just a playable environmental hazard that people learnt to completely ignore years ago. It doesn't make for an interesting or refreshing playable

[vernal ermine]

You're mad cause deino is heavily accepted in the game and not at all gamebreaking

[normal shuttle]

also its reliance on groups to thrive in hotspots is mega cringe

[vernal ermine]

@willow kiln and you're mad cause bad. just don't get lunged

[vernal ermine]

Players will be players

[normal shuttle]

Quote when I did say that deino is game breaking or overpowered

[vernal ermine]

Quote when I said you did?

[normal shuttle]

And also prove that it is heavily accepted or a very popular playable nowadays

[normal shuttle]

you're making stuff up

guess I'm leaving

[vernal ermine]

Quote when I said you did?

[normal shuttle]

^^^^^^ you literally just implied it, you "grayname"

[vernal ermine]

Your definition of leaving is just lurking in this chat

[normal shuttle]

this is insane

My braincells are dying. Goodbye

[willow kiln]

Am I bad when I kill groups of carnos as a omni lmao. I can do that but can’t drink water. Solid game

[vernal ermine]

I did not imply it and I'm aware I didn't lol

I clarified deino is not gamebreaking, and rather it is popular

[normal shuttle]

SO THEN WHY DID YOU SAY IT 😭

You're mad cause deino is heavily accepted in the game and not at all gamebreaking
Either implying something I never expressed or making stuff up to troll

Yeah alright, imma go

[willow kiln]

Valiant just leave it bro save yourself 😭

[normal shuttle]

yes

I love you Fade

[willow kiln]

Lyt bro

[vernal ermine]

You're amazing just absolutely unfathomable
An* omni. You can easily migrate to drink safely, you just don't because you're impatient

[willow kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/mygsgifs-mygsgif-yoongi-yoongi-solo-suga-solo-gif-24573258

[woven bane]

professional ragebaiter

[vernal ermine]

If I say "it's not like deino is invincible" you can't instantly think "oh when did i ever say it is invincible"

Not everything is about you

[urban flax]

Deino is functionally the exact same thing as water having a random% chance of being poisonous

[willow kiln]

Yo that’s a perfect way of saying it lmao

[urban flax]

But there's also certain spots of water which can never be poisonous, making the entire mechanic redundant

[willow kiln]

Exactly

Beautiful

Chefs kiss

[vernal ermine]

Yeah, deino's effect is basically the same as that.
Except the fact that poison isn't a player, deino is.

If the water was poisonous instead of it having a deino, it would be more boring. It would be a mechanic that'd randomly kill you, not a player that lurks in the water

[urban flax]

I couldn't care less in the world wether I'm getting killed by a player or not
I die in both cases

[vernal ermine]

Do you believe players should be wary of where they drink? Yes or no @urban flax

[urban flax]

Heh, you remind me of someone

[vernal ermine]

Yes or no?

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/classic-back-to-the-future-bttf-marty-mcfly-ive-seen-this-one-gif-19802188

[willow kiln]

Is he ulting what’s happening

[vernal ermine]

Good one

[willow kiln]

Huh

[urban flax]

I do believe players should be wary when they drink, and I wish there was something in the game to make this a reality

[vernal ermine]

Okay so you answered yes to my question, gj.

So you believe players should never be wary of where they drink? Yes or no

[urban flax]

There's too many negatives in that question

[urban flax]

no ? I guess ?
It's hard to understand what your point is

[vernal ermine]

I’d try talking to you, but watching you dance around questions like it’s a sport makes it feel more like a waste of time than a conversation

[urban flax]

They're more fallacies than questions
But I did answer them both, what are you complaining about ?

[vernal ermine]

If you think my questions are fallacies, you're free to explain why — but dodging them entirely and then pretending you've answered just makes it impossible to have a real discussion. I'm happy to engage when there's actual back-and-forth, not deflection

[unreal horizon]

@little oyster ı dont want to play with nonbinary carno. Not even in argue get ower with it. Horrible idea

[urban flax]

Asking a question and refusing any answer that isn't a clear "yes or no" is a well-known fallacy, as it forces the other person to assume a position which is either agreeing with you or disagreeing with you
Most of these questions, like in your case, are usually asked in a way that there is one obvious right answer and one obvious wrong answer, forcing the other person to look like a fool if they ever dare to disagree with you

[vernal ermine]

Yeah I don't think nesting should be encouraged towards solo players

Nesting should force players to interact with others

[unreal horizon]

Cap

[vernal ermine]

It’s not a fallacy to ask for clarity — it’s a problem when someone can’t provide it. If a yes/no question makes you uncomfortable, it’s worth asking why. You’re free to explain nuance, but refusing to engage at all while blaming the format just signals that your position doesn’t hold up under direct questioning. That’s not debate — that’s deflection

[vernal ermine]

Nope. Nesting should always require 2 players. Didn't you just say that yourself?

[urban flax]

I did not invent it, it's literally known as a common fallacy. Feel free to look it up

[little oyster]

That's not even remotely what the suggestion was, but you do you I guess.

[unreal horizon]

Isnt cap meaning i agree with you?

My mistake then

[vernal ermine]

no man cap means "lies"
say "Bet" instead idk

or fax

[unreal horizon]

Oke oke

[vernal ermine]

Sure, it’s a "known fallacy" — that doesn’t mean it’s always wrong or that the context doesn’t matter. Sometimes, a clear yes or no is exactly what cuts through vague dodging and gets to the point. Maybe instead of hiding behind labels, try answering the question. Ahahaha

simply asking for a clear yes or no isn’t automatically a fallacy. It depends on context. In discussions like this, it’s often a way to clarify someone’s stance and avoid dodging the core point. If the question really only has one reasonable answer based on the facts, it’s fair to ask for it. aha

[urban flax]

I did actually answer the question twice

[vernal ermine]

You just suggested something that will allow solo players to nest without interacting with others. Nope, should never happen

[unreal horizon]

Asexsual is weird but idea of solo females can be able to nest their self is not that bad. Like legacy

[unreal horizon]

Yes ı agree but

[urban flax]

If your question can be simply answered by "yes" or no, then you shouldn't have to ask the other person to answer that way

[unreal horizon]

Legacy is ok with it

[vernal ermine]

Answering vaguely twice isn’t the same as actually answering. If you want this to be a real conversation, stop dodging and give a clear response. Otherwise, there’s no point in continuing.

[unreal horizon]

Everybody interracting with eachother at legacy

[urban flax]

I answered very clearly

[vernal ermine]

Deinosuchus is a great playable in Evrima because it introduces a unique threat that makes water sources tense and strategic.

Unlike random hazards, it’s a player-controlled predator aha. poison is not. deino is therefore adding real risk and reward to drinking spots.

This forces players to be cautious and think ahead, creating a dynamic, immersive atmosphere where every choice matters and encounters feel meaningful. soo

That's the difference between poison and deino.

[vernal ermine]

legacy is not comparable with evrima

[little oyster]

That's a perfectly valid opinion, my point is that their "Nonbinary Carno" thing was weird and not even remotely what I said. The suggestion also includes an option that Just removes the Sex requirement, which makes it a bit easier while still requiring two Players. I presume that this is the bit they took issue with, though I will reiterate that it is based on Geckos.

[urban flax]

From the attacked player's perspective, it's the same thing.
I have no control on whether there is a deino in the water or not.
I have no control over what I can do once I have confirmation that there is a deino in the water (which usually happens when I am in its mouth)
I have no way to know whether there is a deino or not when I drink.
the only thing I can control is drink exclusively in water that cannot be possibly be poisoned with the presence of a deino.

That's not adding tension, that's not strategy. That's just a dumb and boring map-knowledge check. Poisonous water would achieve the same thing without wasting precious player slots.

[vernal ermine]

"not knowing if a Deino is lurking until it’s too late." is your frustration?
But that uncertainty is what creates real tension and forces players to think carefully about their environment, rather than just moving blindly. It’s less about pure map knowledge and more about adapting to a living, player-controlled threat—something static hazards can’t replicate.

So, here’s a clear question for you:
Do you believe a dynamic, player-driven ambush mechanic adds more meaningful tension and strategy to the game than a simple random hazard? Yes or no?

[urban flax]

We could compare it to a way better designed ambusher with a powerful one-shot mechanic : herrera

Contrary to deino, herrera can be noticed before it attacks
Contrary to deino, herrera's attack can be dodged or countered, depending on your playable, which rewards attention.
Contrary to deino, herrera takes risk when ambushing as it is vulnerable once on the ground, which also adds to the fun factor of playing it.
Contrary to deino, herrera needs precise timing and aiming to ambush properly, which rises both its skill floor and skill ceiling.

[vernal ermine]

Why does the game need to remove the sex requirement, why? Is it because it's offensive? or is it something that is needed in gameplay?

[urban flax]

yes

[limber hull]

i feel like it is him

[urban flax]

The only thing that makes me doubt is the fact I'm pretty sure they were both on this discord at the same time at some point

[vernal ermine]

Perfect. Since you agree that a dynamic, player-driven ambush adds more tension and strategy than a random hazard, then Deinosuchus exactly fits that role in Evrima.

It’s not just “map knowledge” llol — it’s about reading the environment, anticipating danger, and playing carefully, which creates real player-driven interaction and suspense. That’s good design, because it forces players to adapt, stay alert, and engage with the world meaningfully.

So if you agree dynamic ambush mechanics are valuable, then Deino’s presence is justified lmao and enhances the game’s atmosphere and depth.

No more excuses—Deino isn’t a boring hazard, it’s a skill and strategy-enforcing apex in its own right. This is getting boring atp

[urban flax]

no

[little oyster]

No, stop being weird about it. It's a simple idea to make Nesting easier based on actual Reptiles.

[vernal ermine]

Alright so it's realism-wise. but in what way does it enhance gameplay experience?

[vernal ermine]

No answer, just ‘no’? Alright then, move along

[little oyster]

As stated by making Nesting easier. A lot of People like Nesting and especially as rarely played things like Hypsis and Dryos, but really Just in general it can sometimes be hard to find someone to Nest with. Personally I think that a Mutation Slot is a good cost to make Nesting easier for those who want it.

[urban flax]

Well, you seem to prefer simple "yes/no" answers, so I'm trying to adapt

[vernal ermine]

Your suggestion was based off of realism, making nesting resemble reptiles right?

Then accept the fact that many creatures IRL have trouble nesting due to the difficulty of finding a partner in their own species.

Hypsies and dryos are endangered species in Evrima, just like some are IRL. It will be hard for them to nest.
deal w it. Realism right, that's what you wanted? Here it is

[vernal ermine]

My original statement wasn’t even a yes/no question though, but I'll make it easier for you to comprehend next time

[urban flax]

Please do
Maybe if you simplify it enough you may even be able to understand it yourself

[vernal ermine]

Thanks for the suggestion. I’ll keep that in mind when I’m ready to offer you a kindergarten-level explanation

[little oyster]

No as I've said, my goal isn't realism, I want a way of making Nesting easier for those who care enough about it to use a whole Mutation Slot to make it easier. The explanation of the Geckos is simply an example I was using to Justify one of the few ideas I had of how to do so, so that People wouldn't call it unrealistic.

My point is that I think it would be a useful Mutation, and I gave a Justification for those who would care about realism in that situation.

[vernal ermine]

If realism isn’t your goal, then why bring up a mechanic based on real-world traits with geckos to argue your point? Dismissing realism doesn’t invalidate it—it just means your idea loses a crucial layer of depth and consistency. You can’t cherry-pick facts when convenience suits you and ignore them when they don’t lmaoo

Again, is there any need for nesting to be easier than it is?

[little oyster]

It doesn't need to be easier, but some People would like it to be easier, so I think that there should be an option for them. I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying, the mechanic isn't based on the Geckos, it's simply an idea I came up with that I think would be a good idea, then I thought that some People might dismiss said mechanic because of it being unrealistic, so I remembered an IRL example that I could use as a Justification to please those People. Also because I didn't want People to be weird about it so I made it clear said things that those theoretical People would have a problem with, weren't part of this Suggestion (Though it seems like that didn't work).

At the end of the Day it's Just a random Suggestion in a Discord Server that will probably be ignored, if you don't like the idea of it then Just express your disapproval, Vote against it, then move on. There's no reason to be particularly serious about this.

[urban flax]

Maybe having one or two specific species capable of parthenogenesis would be a better option than a mutation ?

[little oyster]

I like that idea generally as a way to make different Playables more unique, but the idea of the Mutation is Just to make Nesting easier in general for those who want it and are willing the spend a Mutation Slot to make it easier, with two different Suggestions given on how that could be done.

[urban flax]

I can see some issues rising with making parthenogenesis available for all species though
Things that like to form huge packs or apexes with a hard time growing may benefit too much from it

I'm neutral on it tho, I would be fine if it's in but I wouldn't really care much

[little oyster]

Agreed, that's why I gave two ideas. The point of the suggestion is really Just adding a Mutation that makes Nesting easier, not the specifics of what exactly it does.

[grizzled matrix]

Many animals can reproduce asexually, their offspring will be identical to the mother

[little oyster]

Ok I'm going to Comment on the Hypsi Suggestion, personally I disagree. I've never really had a problem with bushes or grass, I think that it helps add to the tension of playing Hypsis and is otherwise insignificant or at least manageable. Maybe an option to let People have their Hypsis stand up as tall as possible, giving you a better view in exchange for being more visible, might be nice, but I don't think that it's necessary. Those are Just my opinions though.

[little oyster]

To be fair, I don't think that whether or not IRL Animals do it was their point.

[little oyster]

I mean I don't think they were being amazingly good faith in that discussion, but I don't think that animals reproducing Asexually IRL really effects whatever points they were trying to make.

[urban flax]

Oh there's also animals that reproduce completely asexually ? That's neat, I didn't know that
Do they still have male or females (as an evolutionary leftover) or not ?

[daring sandal]

interestingly there are species who do and others who dont, i belive one cool example is a species of skink that has no males what so ever

i think its specificly whiptail lizards

Though i think that one big lizard species that (might be added within the next 10 years) should be the only dino with an ability to asexually reproduce

forgor its name

[urban flax]

meglomania

manglornia

meganlanar

[daring sandal]

Yeah that one

[vernal ermine]

@normal pumice i think your suggestion is wholefully and utterly fair

but i also think we don't have enough admins for that

[vernal ermine]

I don't think nesting should be made any harder than it is

[normal pumice]

Thank you for agreeing with me.

I think the admins issue is can be fixable, I'm sure admins can be hired

[vernal ermine]

Hiring admins for this game is apparently complicated due to contracts etc iirc

So it's really not that simple sadly

[vernal ermine]

What I suggest is you go play on community servers instead of officials tbh

The officials are riddled with hackers so

[normal pumice]

I don't like the rules on unofficial servers(

[vernal ermine]

rules such as what?

[normal pumice]

mixpack, megapack and more

[vernal ermine]

rules against mixpacking and megapacking?

isn't that good

[frank tapir]

Megalania mentioned

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message "come fruit them" you mean fertilize?

[hidden pilot]

yeah, pretty sure that's what that means in the context provided

But archosaurs don't do that

[junior nymph]

it wouldnt work for this kind of nesting

[normal shuttle]

Insane

[frank tapir]

@flat onyx they have on the hordetest

[frail prawn]

@gray mountain I just posted that as well. 😅

[gray mountain]

sry i didnt saw that😅

[gray mountain]

but i like your idea

[frail prawn]

All good!

[frail prawn]

Ye, great minds think alike. XDD

[junior nymph]

@zenith walrus hitboxes are fine its the ping

[zenith walrus]

ping was 30-35 like usually

[junior nymph]

oh

you are troodon... thats just desync

not a actual hitbox issue

[zenith walrus]

It doesn't just happen to me during Trodon, it happens very often.

[junior nymph]

doesnt to me...

[zenith walrus]

Everytime i dodge someones charge/ attack i still got hit. Doesnt matter which dino i play. So idk

[junior nymph]

another answer could be that they have higher ping so they actually hit you on their screen

[zenith walrus]

Okay, let's say I acknowledge the desync problem. Is there a solution for this?

[junior nymph]

no

[cinder mauve]

@unreal horizon
You are asking for too much lol! they can't even put a movelist in the game for each dino, you gotta go out of game to 3rd party websites to find that info.

[unreal horizon]

Bro like wtf Man. You sold at least 600k of your game per 20 dolar

If Steam get 10 dolar of each one

That still makes 6 million dollar

You are not a small indie anymore

Just do some increasing

I love playing this game but this makes me kill mysefl

[hallow vigil]

to be fair thats before any other expenses, like paying out wages

im sure the game is still financially successful though

[unreal horizon]

Yes i saying that

[vital laurel]

@quick shadow read devblog

[quick shadow]

i did a quick read this morning i only heard about releasing trike did they say something about bug fixes?

[vital laurel]

They would drop a refined version of the current HT, that’s how it usually works at least, ptera would probably be reverted to the current state instead of the in progress rework and stuff but since the HT is two major versions above evrima I doubt they could move trike into evrima just like that

[quick shadow]

alright ty :)

[vital laurel]

Oh and spawn codes must be in the update, can’t see it any other way

[quick shadow]

ohh cool

finally wont have to walk entire map to get to friends

[vivid mason]

@austere fox that already exists, it’s just a texture change but it definitely looks more malnourished and bony

[austere fox]

what?

yapper

[chilly ermine]

It's estimated at 32 mil. But frankly, I'm not sure it's possible make any accurate guess of how much money they have to produce the game. Devs have to be paid, server costs, anticipated drop in sales, misc expenses, business deb, etc. Owning and operating a business is a lot more complicated than you make it out to seem.

[vivid mason]

Wdym what

About the feedback post you made

[austere fox]

oh ok

cus i was asking about trex blender model before so

and no it doesnt have that ability to change body shapes

[junior nymph]

@north needle its getting a rework... Pretty much all asks for buffs are unnecessary

[haughty ember]

Oh, is it getting a rework? I didn’t know that! I’d like to see the announcement about it, but I couldn’t find it… Could you link it or tell me which announcement it was?

[junior nymph]

dondi sent some ss's in isle discussion a while ago

#isle-discussion message and #isle-discussion message

it might get upsized (MAYBE) cause its meant to swallow things

[haughty ember]

Thanks for letting me know! I'll wait for the size-up or some kind of buff with excitement.

[hidden crystal]

Damn mfs really don't want dinosaur snake

Weird

It would add a lot to diversity and realism

[latent olive]

is realism just a buzzword now

[hidden crystal]

?
Every dinosaur is the same 3 shapes
Titanoboa is a realistic addition...

[latent olive]

what on earth do you mean by realistic/realism

its just adding another playable

[hidden crystal]

As in real dinosaurs aren't just the same three shapes...

[latent olive]

........a snake isnt a dinosaur lmao

[hidden crystal]

A titanoboa is literally a dinosaur...

[junior nymph]

@storm aurora ayo

[latent olive]

and what do you mean by same three shapes

body shapes? like theropods and sauropods?

[junior nymph]

no its really not

[latent olive]

brother, i dont know how to say this politely

you need to go back to science class

[junior nymph]

you dont

[latent olive]

titanoboa is an enormous anaconda, basically
https://i.redd.it/tplwientqg151.jpg

however its more theorised to eat fish and live entirely in water

[hidden crystal]

I will pass physics was enough to keep me far away. If something came from the age of dinos I'm calling it a dino lol

[junior nymph]

anaconda... like that one shop

[latent olive]

good to know mammals are dinosaurs

[junior nymph]

it didnt though

[latent olive]

it also didnt exist in the time of dinosaurs

[junior nymph]

yeah...

[latent olive]

like that one movie...........

[junior nymph]

like that one reptile

oh yeah mb gang

[hidden crystal]

60 million years ago is long enough for me 😂

[junior nymph]

60M?

[hidden crystal]

Indeed

[junior nymph]

guys anything that lived before us is prehistoric therefor its a dino

[hidden crystal]

Facts

[junior nymph]

so

[hidden crystal]

Humans 100 years ago? Dinos lmao

[junior nymph]

you would count the wooly mammoth as a dinosaur?

[hidden crystal]

Kinda but I feel like that is more-so a relative of stuff that lives today

[junior nymph]

SO IS TITANOBOA

[hidden crystal]

I had to google. Apparently wooly mammoths might've been alive 4000 years ago

That ain't got shi on 60 million years ☠️

Your brain can't even comprehend 60 million years

[junior nymph]

still

[hidden crystal]

Also the t-rex lived approximately 80-60 millions years ago...

[junior nymph]

yes

you know birds right

[hidden crystal]

Literally being added to the game but the titanboa is "too new not realistic" 😂

A titanoboa could have easily been alive during the age of t-rex

Great addition to the game don't crap on it til you try it 👍

[junior nymph]

I dont want it not cause of realism a snake would be cool

its just the pain of balancing a snake that just constricts you

they had it right

then they scrapped it

[hidden crystal]

Just make it slow asf. It's already a gigantic hundred foot snake - hard to miss.

[junior nymph]

100ft?

[gentle flint]

Eating whole bodies and denying others food would also be kinda lame.

[hidden crystal]

Might be making that up but I think so lol

It's huge

[junior nymph]

you did

[hidden crystal]

Oh 45-50 ft my bad

I just remember somebody telling me it was 100 ft when I was little

[hidden crystal]

I feel like itself would be a good food source if it had to go up against a bunch of ceras or somethin - no chance against more than 1 dino.

[latent olive]

megalania is being added to the game and it only went extinct like, 2 million years ago

the problem with titanoboa is moreso how absolutely intensive the development will be for it

[hidden crystal]

Oh shi lol

[latent olive]

making it LOOK good and making it PLAY good

[hidden crystal]

Sure but it's just an idea for the devs

[latent olive]

beasts of bermuda got away with it because they dont care about the looks, and completely focus on the fun

[hidden crystal]

Idek what that is ngl lol

[gentle flint]

I mean it would likely be awful to play as too I feel.
Can’t find a mate and make a nest and raise kids because you basically have to be solo since you aren’t ripping chunks out of your food, you’re digesting bodies whole.
Pack hunting wouldn’t be good because you’d be forced to be solo half the time with constriction since you aren’t really killing with strikes unless it’s itty bitty and you’d just be getting in each others way. Which I mean I guess if you want a lonesome dino that’s fine but it takes away half of what there is to do in this game. Currently anyway.

Not to mention the idea of snake slither and constriction physics when we can’t even figure out gravity normally..

[hidden crystal]

Yeah i could see food being an issue especially if you nest for a baby - might end up requiring something like the snake parent regurgitating some food since the baby snake would have to eat it whole, which they would probably not naturally do.

[full pewter]

It’s honestly not something I’m willing to wait for because of this reason

[hidden crystal]

Not willing to wait for something you otherwise would have just not gotten 😂

I could say the same about the hypsilo climbing update but I shall wait patiently

Something anybody could say about any update for any game ever

[gentle flint]

I mean I wouldn’t recommend a regurg route since it’s generally astronomically bad for snakes’ health if they’re throwing up (not that I can speak on titanoboa in particular but I mean.. just looking at today’s snakes)

[hidden crystal]

Yeah it definitely wouldnt be natural for them to do so which is why I could definitely see food and especially feeding your children to be an issue unless you just hatch them around where there is a bunch of Ai to eat but even then the server I play on regularly disables the Ai because......... ??? Unspecified reasons lol. Maybe just because there is enough players to eat for the current carnivores and they think it's the reason their server keeps crashing

Would be a rough life for the snakes though

But on that same vein there are regularly zero or one hypsilos online (me being the one hypsilo)
So I would be happy to also be the only snake haha

Until the 'hypsilo climbing update' of snakes comes out that is

[gentle flint]

Meh, to each their own. I don’t feel particularly strongly about the beast, which is why I didn’t vote on your post. But as a fair note, I believe devs have already said no titano because of how hard it would be to get right

[hidden crystal]

Dang, well if the devs already said no then that is absolutely fair enough haha. I can imagine how hard it would be.

I have hope for one day in the far future though

[gentle flint]

The only post I can find quickly I think wasn’t a total no but it was “if we were ever going to, it would be at the very end” #general-feedback-discussion message

If that’s any consolation for you lol

[hidden crystal]

Haha, it is indeed thank you brother. It was a good read.

[frank tapir]

2 million years ago? Owl are you a fake meg fan? that was before modern humans evolved

[latent olive]

goddamn i was thinking of the mongoliadon

megalania was approximately between 40 to 50 thousand years ago

[frank tapir]

smhing my head

[normal shuttle]

@barren zephyr it's called asymmetrical balance, and it was always the goal even before evrima released. Everyone stands a chance at surviving (fight or flight) but not always at fighting

you just needed omni to threaten tenos because no one else was around, but currently with all of the different picks within the ecosystem matchups can be that important

this aint a deathmatch hero shooter combat game where everyone stands a chance. There's some fights that by design you're just never gonna win

[indigo gulch]

And a lot of people’s favorites just happen to be strong dinos irl too

[unreal horizon]

@harsh sun %60 of player base isnt even seeing over 40 FPS and u guys wanting this shi 😭

Yes this is cool but i mean

[vernal ermine]

@hidden crystal would be cool but too much work

[vernal ermine]

slow? how will it defend itself

[harsh sun]

This was a few updates ago

[hidden crystal]

did you look at the picture?..

[cyan flame]

@dense heath Why?

[hidden crystal]

it's 1.2 tons of muscle crushing you
and it lives in water
it moves slow so that it is bad alone against a group of dinos, but it strikes quickly so that it can win against just one dino that is out of place.
an ambush predator
similar to the deinosuchus

[hidden crystal]

realism : ^)

lol

imagine your horns get stuck in a dino and you can pick it up though

like pinning a dino as a raptor but you can pick it up and move it like to feed it to a deinosuchus

[vernal ermine]

what?

If it moves slow on land, how will it survive? Tell me how

[cyan flame]

As in, why add it, what would it do for the gameplay, and so on?

And well, your latest feedback then, if you had multiple

[urban flax]

How is that anything but ridiculous ?

That's just a nerf to everything with spikes for no good reason

[cyan flame]

I don't think adding more RNG is a good idea, we already have that for bucking and it's not ideal (or had at least, not sure if it's changed). And I'm not sure it makes too much sense to punish a playable for just using its attacks.

[urban flax]

Stego does not need a nerf
Also RNG 🤮

[pliant elm]

This is a terrible idea and there is no need for it whatsoever, not even with stegos, much less with anything that has horns or spikes on its tail xd

[queen walrus]

stego is going to have to deal with trikes and rexes very soon

in 1 week according to devs, which means 4 weeks from now

so i dont think stego needs nerf tbh

[hidden pilot]

Me when that's literally just pixpacking made easier

@digital glade You can put food in trees, it just has to be carriable

[digital glade]

yea

[hidden pilot]

yup

[hidden crystal]

how does the deinosuchus survive? tell me how

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

There
Literal poisonous water
Deino but now it's got its job taken away by pure RNG

[tired quest]

pond Deino will no longer be viable once Spino or Rex are introduced into the game
because there will be nowhere to run if a Spino (or even Rex) decides to have some fun in the pond

alternatively, the game could simply improve the swamp/lake ecosystem
due to Deino’s poor vision underwater and the pathetic AI spawn rate in lakes or deep water(elite fish are so hard to catch and cost too much stam to get,if its not in shallow cannel), no one wants to stay there. as a result, players end up in some weird shallow pond out in the open

then it is the issue of map design then

[urban flax]

It would solve literally nothing, just make everything more annoying for everyone
People would still only ever drink in places where there are no deinos because deino=certain death
So they would fall sick over and over and have a miserable existence, but that'll be their only choice

And deinos would still be forced to eat each other or starve to death

Same game, just worse in every way

[tired quest]

then why not just simply fix the ai and underwater vision problem for deino?
I play non cannibal deino all the time and still got no issue keeping them alive as a full grown

plus im not in southplain

the east lake sucks and need some adjustment in ai spawning

keep adding punishing mechanics doesn’t make the game fun

they haven't add many ai spawn point when they decide to turn east plain into a lake

it is a nice hunting ground, no 100% safe drinking spot
caught several maia there before
but the thing is player just doesn't like the dense forest around it

[silk perch]

When do we expect trike drop

[full pewter]

In the coming week hopefully

Supposed to get at least one more ht update

[silk perch]

👍

[warm grail]

i landed a pounce on a steg, but my raptor jumped off early. i didnt press space nor was i near any trees. did i maybe mis-input or was it the pounce being buggy? ;-;

[dim raptor]

@brittle kiln Its actually insane that the isles store page still has very old legacy screen shots. If you had no idea about the isle and just came across it on steam you would have know about Evrima. thats crazy!

[normal shuttle]

literally what we talked about with Barion 😭

serves the same purpose as deino but without killing you

[normal shuttle]

even bary gangs are gonna give trouble to WRA/North sanc pong/lower south river deinos

[quartz meteor]

@inland vigil I guess you’re just stuck playing with mix packers then. The official servers are no ruled for a reason.

[queen walrus]

Your comparison with deino to poisonous water is so dumb

Not the same

@inland vigil pretty disrespectful post which doesn't look like it has much thought behind it at all

this is why doomposting in feedback shouldn't be allowed

"just fix mixpacking just do it" How about you actually think about a solution? Please do, so that when your solution will inevitably be exploitable - i'll laugh at you

@fair jetty or you can just tab out..

[urban flax]

What's the difference, apart from one being controlled by a player ?

Mechanically it's the same thing

[fair jetty]

If you're tabbed out you won't be able to keep an eye on the queue, it would just be a nice quality of life change, do you disagree with that

[queen walrus]

poison in water and a player-controlled deino grabbing you is not the same thing

[queen walrus]

I agree with that, it's just not something that is urgent

[sharp field]

ey yo i just logged after a while, what's up with this new east plains? it's terrible xd, Did they still fix the bug where deino's children can't eat?

[urban flax]

Explain how

[queen walrus]

Ah yes, Deinosuchus — that totally random, unpredictable natural hazard... except, you know, it's a literal player sitting there using strategy, timing, and patience to ambush careless dinos who treat rivers like theme park attractions. 😅

But yeah, sure, definitely the same as 'random poison water.'

[urban flax]

Deino = cannot see
Poisonous water = cannot see

Deino = instant kill
Poisonous water = instant kill

Deino = No possibility for interaction
Poisonous water = No possibility for interaction

Deino = Takes up a server slot
Poisonous water = Does not take up a server slot

[urban flax]

"strategy, timing and patience" ?
While I agree with the patience part, the rest is bs

The strategy of waiting for someone who doesn't know the map's safe drinking spots to come drinking where you are

[queen walrus]

Ah, I see — so because you can’t see Deino underwater, it’s basically the same as magical, invisible, insta-death water. That’s... certainly a way to look at it. 😅

Just casually ignoring that one is a dynamic, thinking player using stealth and timing, and the other is literally a lazy map hazard. But sure, let’s pretend they’re identical because you didn’t check the shoreline before walking into a crocodile’s living room. 🙃

and about the strategy part. so if you don’t recognize the strategy, it must not exist. Totally makes sense. 🙃

I’m sure all those Deino players just accidentally time their lunges and choose high-traffic spots for no reason at all. It's not like predicting behavior, managing stamina, or positioning matters when you're just sitting there, right?

But hey, if someone outplaying you feels unfair, it’s probably easier to pretend they’re just glorified terrain hazards. 😅

[urban flax]

You're thinking way too highly of deino players

You really consider lunge requires "precise timing" ?

Also checking the shoreline changes nothing and you know it. A deino with a functional braincell is just completely invisible until the moment it lunges. Which is why players always drink at safe spot : it is the only way to not get eaten by a deino, because you have no way to know if there is a deino in the water until it lunges at you or does something extremely stupid.

So yeah, it's basically the same thing as a random environmental hazard

I've never got outplayed by a deino because I drink at safespots, just like everyone else

Which is in no way redeeming for the absolute trash that deino gameplay is, both for its prey and deino itself

[queen walrus]

Ah, I see — we're at the 'if I can't counter it, it's not skillful' stage of the argument. Got it. 👍

You're drastically oversimplifying what Deino gameplay involves just to justify calling it a glorified water trap. The fact that you only acknowledge 'patience' while dismissing positioning, map knowledge, and timing tells me you’re not really engaging with how the predator-prey dynamic is actually designed in The Isle.

Deino players choose high-traffic zones, manage stamina and buoyancy, and commit to high-risk ambushes with limited visibility and long cooldowns. Yes, the lunge does require timing — mistime it, and the prey escapes or you overcommit and reveal yourself. But I get it: if all you see is ‘invisible = unfair,’ then yeah, of course you'd flatten the entire interaction into 'just an environmental hazard.'

Ironically, safe drinking spots only exist because Deinos exist. That’s called environmental pressure. The fact that you're describing players adapting to a predator’s presence... while insisting that predator is just poison water... is kind of incredible, honestly.

aaaaand the fact that you're this stuck up about deino in 2025 kind of convinces me that you must get outplayed by deinos a bit more often than you suggest you do

[inland vigil]

people telling others to "hurrdurr just play unofficials" drive me up a wall. that is what "get a grip" is directed toward. please do not ping further

[queen walrus]

You ask something of the devs, but are completely unable to make a suggestion for a solution

That's super ignorant of you, to say "Just fix this" and be condescending about it even though you can't think of a solution yourself

Keep that in mind for next time

[urban flax]

"manage stamina" ? What stamina do you have to manage when your gameplay revolves around staying completely idle ?

"manage buoyancy ?" Again, what is there to manage ? Deino doesn't automatically float like beipi does

"Lunge timing" Right, if you miss the 40 seconds timeframe you have to lunge at someone who is drinking, they escape, but that's a different kind of issue...

You can only consider deino skillful if you exclude every other playable from the comparison

[inland vigil]

no further pings please

already asked you once

[queen walrus]

It’s astonishing that you treat “managing stamina and buoyancy” as some obscure or irrelevant mechanic. Any competent ambush predator in a 3D environment must meticulously control movement and positioning. Deinosuchus does not simply float passively like an NPC; maintaining stealth underwater — avoiding detection through ripples or surfacing prematurely — is a deliberate exercise in buoyancy control. If you perceive this as “completely idle” gameplay, then it’s clear your understanding of fundamental game mechanics is severely lacking.

Regarding lunge timing, this is not a matter of random chance within an arbitrary 40-second window. It is a precise, skill-based mechanic demanding patience, prediction, and timing. Failing to execute within this window results in being outplayed — not a flaw in the game’s design or evidence of randomness.

The frequency with which Deinosuchus players fail—due to mispositioning, revealing themselves prematurely, generating detectable water disturbances, or outright missing lunges—is substantial and well-documented among the community. This only reinforces that Deino’s gameplay revolves around skillful execution rather than mindless, unfair environmental hazard.

In short, your argument collapses under scrutiny because it fundamentally misinterprets the core gameplay loop: survival isn’t about avoiding all threats randomly; it’s about outthinking and outplaying them. Dismissing Deinosuchus as “random poison water” betrays a lack of critical understanding of how predator-prey dynamics function in The Isle. If you want to survive, start by appreciating the depth instead of pretending it’s a broken system.

[queen walrus]

I'm responding to you because you keep interacting. Also why are you ignoring the point? Next time instead of saying "Just fix this" just come up with an actual solution

Instead of being condescending towards gamedevs

[urban flax]

I think it all can be explained by most deino players being trash due to their playable barely requiring a brain to function rather than being skillful

If deino is skillful, then what is herrera ? Teno ? Or troodon ? Probably unreachable to mere mortals

I've played deino
I'm never touching it again because of how boring it was, but staying undetected was the easiest thing ever

[queen walrus]

Deino requires less skill than certain other playables, but still requires its own set of skills

[limber hull]

Imma be real deino ain’t that complex man

[urban flax]

It requires less skill than any other playable

[queen walrus]

Look up a good deino player on youtube and compare that with the average bad deino player on evrima

There is a big difference

[limber hull]

The biggest component of deinos skill curve is map awareness, which all creatures engage with.

[queen walrus]

No

[urban flax]

Someone being utterly bad at the game to the point of not being able to set up an ambush with deino doesn't mean the playable is any good or requires skill

[limber hull]

I mean, besides knowing that alt-bite is faster when fighting other deinos and having the patience to wait for food, there’s not much to deino skill. Most skilled deino videos consist of edited content to cut out the primary component of deino, the waiting for something to happen

[queen walrus]

And anyway this discussion was about your weird absurd comparison with poison in water, not how much skill deino requires
You're trying to change topics

an RNG in the water is completely different than deino

[urban flax]

Am I ?

[limber hull]

Even water is automatically taken care of as a resource for you as long as you take no long land journeys

[junior nymph]

the only thing deino needs is to know how to fight another deino and where players cross and drink

[urban flax]

Weren't you the one who mentioned "deino requiring skill" first ?

[junior nymph]

ive lived on a deino for a month and that was with the bad spawns and food.

[urban flax]

While I think deino AI would unironically be the easiest AI to make impossible to tell apart fomr players

[junior nymph]

sarco ai

lmao

[limber hull]

Like deino is just objectively a more fun way to do a random death water mechanic. Personally I’m fine with it because I think the big gator is cool but I won’t argue the facts that it’s not mechanically much

[urban flax]

If something's gameplay can be perfectly replicated by an AI, then it doesn't mean the gameplay is "skillful" or really dependent on any player component

[limber hull]

But neither was stego and now it got its kit rework and it’s slightly less bad now

[urban flax]

The only thing that makes it more fun is the fact you get to see a big gator for a split second before you die

[limber hull]

So I’ll get back to you on the deino thing when that kit rework rolls around

[limber hull]

And you get to be the cool big gator

Frankly I just think the gator is cool I’m not gonna pretend it’s a high bar of an animal

I know what I defend and I defend it anyways

[urban flax]

Only if you can stand through literal hours of doing nothing and hoping the game will provide you with the slightest form of stimulation

I'm more the kind of person who plays games to actually play a game

[limber hull]

I mean that’s a gator for you

I have friends who really enjoy gator gaming

[urban flax]

Yeah, I mean I don't mind deino gameplay being boring
If it at least was any interesting for its potential prey

Interactions with deino are the least player fun interactions in the whole game

[junior nymph]

you know what I would like

[queen walrus]

How do you suggest making the interaction more fun?

Do you have any suggestion for a rework what so ever?

If it can't lunge something and drown it like it does, how will it catch prey? 50kmh runspeed out of water or what do you want?

[urban flax]

I do

[queen walrus]

Did you post it somewhere

[urban flax]

#general-feedback-discussion message

Also there was Wave's idea to turn lunge into a sparring-lite mechanic that allows deino to move in any direction after it grabbed someone, tug-of-war style, to compensate for the fact it'd be harder to successfully grab someone

[queen walrus]

"makes a subtle noise while charging" that right there is braindead, you might as well go to surface and show your face
the fact that it takes time is enough in itself, the more time the charge takes the larger the chance of the prey to stop/finish drinking

not that the suggestion is good at all or smart at all, but there were errors in it regardless

Tug of war should be a thing where if the deino doesn't make a mistake, it should be 100% guranteed to win the lunge

[urban flax]

That's the point
To make the prey stand a chance at noticing the deino if it pays attention

In turn deinos would have a lot more prey to lunge, because people wouldn't avoid unsafe drinking spots as much

[urban flax]

Not against everything

[queen walrus]

Against everything 4 tons and under, yup. Don't even try

[queen walrus]

That noise will just give the deino 0% chance at actually getting anyone lol'

Just like if you hear water move, you jet

[urban flax]

Herreras are visible in trees and make noise, yet they can ambush just fine

In fact, people even manage to get ambushed by stegos sometimes

The argument that "any noise will make ambushing impossible" is completely false

Keyword "subtle" in this case

[queen walrus]

Visually missing something is different from missing something by ear
Herra can be anywhere

When you drink you will be actively listening for the deinosound

It's a stupid ass suggestion

[urban flax]

Unless you aren't paying attention, like many people are

[urban flax]

Of course I expected you to retch at the idea of increasing the amount of skill required to play deino

You'd actually need to time the lunge because the longer you charge it, the more chances you have of getting detected early
But if you don't charge it long enough you may fail to grab your prey

[queen walrus]

Chargeable lunge with noise? Yeah, because letting a giant crocodile announce its attack like a foghorn totally screams ‘stealth predator.’ Brilliant plan — can’t wait to see every prey just chillin’ while Deino slowly charges up and tips off its position.

Slower turning speed in water? Great, now Deino can be outmaneuvered by literally anything with half a brain — including that random fish NPC.

And nerfing adult land sprint speed? Might as well give them a ‘please catch me’ sign while we’re at it.

But hey, to ‘balance’ all this, let’s dramatically buff thirst drain so they can marathon between water spots — because apparently being a slow, noisy, easy-to-spot ambush predator needs more mobility?

And making juveniles faster and better hunters on land? That's a good idea

Honestly, this sounds less like balance and more like turning Deino into a sad, confused lizard struggling to remember what made it terrifying in the first place. 😅

deino is one of the only things in evrima that can actually jumpscare you or bring any satisfaction to the horror aspect of the game

[urban flax]

Funny how you instantly assume the noise would break people's eardrums and warn everyone in a 500m radius

Misinterpreting things is really a convenient way of making others sound dumb

[limber hull]

What about any of that said foghorn

[soft shuttle]

Remember that beipi also can make your heart jump out of you

[queen walrus]

Would you honestly say that making Deino announce its lunge with a noise improves its role as a stealth ambush predator? Yes or no

[urban flax]

Also yeah slower turning speed in water because deino isn't supposed to be hunting fish as an adult, neither tiny semiaquatics like beipi, this way they can coexist

Nerfing land speed because adult deino has no reason to be fast on land. It has high biteforce, bleed resistance and a gigantic health pool in order to not get killed. It's necessary because increased water drain would mean deino would be much more capable and more often seen on land, yet it needs to not become its main form of hunting

[urban flax]

Did he initiate a cult or what ?

[junior nymph]

💀

[queen walrus]

streamsniper detected

[junior nymph]

💀

[queen walrus]

It's a simple question

[urban flax]

It sure is

[queen walrus]

Yeah so why avoid it

[junior nymph]

what have I done to you?

[urban flax]

The answer is yes

[junior nymph]

I speak once not even towards you.. someones ||mad||

[queen walrus]

Are you talking to me or bubul

[junior nymph]

you cause you spoke to me when I was speaking to bubul

now keep speaking about deino

[queen walrus]

Do you agree that Deinosuchus is designed as an ambush predator whose main strength is surprise?

[queen walrus]

I just pointed out that you're a banned streamsniper, sorry if that upset you or something

[urban flax]

yes

[junior nymph]

it didnt I made a mistake thats on me

[queen walrus]

you even tried denying it...... anyway back to deino

[queen walrus]

Would you say the effectiveness of an ambush relies on the prey not knowing the predator is about to strike?

[junior nymph]

geez man can I not plead a case?

I was banned it wasnt even about you

[urban flax]

I know what your point is, so I'm gonna cut short to this stupid interrogatory :

Deino's ambushing capabilities are currently overpowered. Deino would be a better ambusher if it had optical camouflage and a noise-cancelling sphere around it, but that is not the point here.

The point is to make deino fair AND interesting in the context of the game

[queen walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-avengers-banned-discord-ban-hammer-gif-16215287

[urban flax]

, not a better ambusher

[junior nymph]

indeed!

[queen walrus]

can you just respond to my few questions, if you really believe you're right then i don't see a problem in you doing it

[junior nymph]

a sound could even just be a little splash just before the lunge it doesnt need to be a loud gurgle

[queen walrus]

Yes or no @urban flax you're avoiding it

[normal shuttle]

There’s nuance in answers man

You just can’t railroad people into a false dilemma

[queen walrus]

If what I'm saying is wrong, the questions won't matter

[urban flax]

Which is why I'm not answering them

[queen walrus]

Yeah I'm right and you're a question avoider

[queen walrus]

I would never avoid questions, you would

[normal shuttle]

Everyone here thinks deino should be an ambush predator

And I don’t think it is too much to ask for that the giant 8 ton alligator has to put any effort into hunting so that people aren’t forced into drinking behind a rock to not gamble for their life, and in turn deinos just have to suck it up because there’s literally nothing they can do about it

I know the analogy is goofy, but it’s the same as if you could somehow hit some conditional emote dance and suddenly ceras couldn’t attack you

It’s a dumb ritual you have to do, that the other player has no way of getting around and if you don’t use it, then you have to put up with their bs

[queen walrus]

Oh, we’re going with the ‘disappear when cornered’ strategy now? Classic. Nothing says ‘I believe in my argument’ like backing out the second real questions start.

good job, that concludes the discussion

[normal shuttle]

No one is happy

[urban flax]

I'm not backing out when real questions arise, I'm cutting short to your bs and answering your point directly without wasting time with that idiotic back-and-forth game of you asking obvious yes/no questions trying to railroad me into your narrative

[normal shuttle]

Giving a visual or sound warning of a deino that is very close is completely fair considering that everyone else just abide by those rules

[inland vigil]

please stop pinging me

[normal shuttle]

Rex has footsteps and has to actually hide especially with the new bushes rustling

And herra is clearly visible while hanging and you can hear it climbing

Meanwhile deino can one tap stuff effortlessly as it is completely invisible and makes no noise even while typing in chat

[inland vigil]

• blocked, i will not see your messages anymore ie pinging is pointless. please stop doing it. thank you and goodnight

[normal shuttle]

That’s a cheap death and using safe spots then is just cheese for the deinos. They can’t do anything about it

[queen walrus]

Ohhh, so it's not that you couldn’t answer — it’s just that direct questions are suddenly ‘idiotic’ when they expose how weak your argument is. Got it. 😄

If asking for clarity is too much for your position to survive, maybe the issue isn’t the questions — it’s the answer you’re avoiding.

again, this concludes the discussion

[urban flax]

Neither does herrera actually !
Or does it ? idk I never talk to people when I'm herrera

[junior nymph]

it does

[normal shuttle]

It does

For obvious reasons. But deino just has sounds cancelled underwater and can still use chat. Herra just has the dewlap for signals

[urban flax]

You don't need for me to clarify what my position is, I've explained it to you very straightforwardly.

[queen walrus]

ok you just absolutely proved you have no idea what you're talking about

"herrera can't onetap" what? huh?

every bit of credibility lost in 1 msg

[urban flax]

wth are you talking about ? I didn't mention herrera's onetap potential

[junior nymph]

he was talking about the noise

[urban flax]

And yeah, I don't know about herrera

But the message was a joke, which flew way above your head it seems

I don't know about herrera's chat noises specifically*

I just know it can use the glowing dewlap to communicate silently

[queen walrus]

Ah, so now it's about 'cutting short to avoid BS,' is it? Funny how that only seems to happen when the questions start getting a little too pointed. If your argument was as solid as you claim, you'd be more than happy to engage directly. But instead, you choose to dodge and deflect. Classic move. 😅

[normal shuttle]

And only if you are already organized

Since it just glows and that’s it

Meanwhile deino can chat for as long as it likes making no noise, making no bubbles and not even a single movement underwater

It is an ambush predator with enormous one tap potential AND completely exempt of the skill every other anbusher needs to hunt since water covers your noise and also makes you invisible when you can see and hear everything outside

And that is objectively terrible considering the design philosophy the isle is going for

[junior nymph]

I feel like pots sarco does ambushing great

it makes a noise but you can still get easy ambushes. it makes noise when chatting too

[urban flax]

What's a classic move is to disallow the other party to explain their point clearly by only asking yes/no questions without accepting any other form of answer

And by the way, you're the one who didn't answer my last statement when I explained why I decided to stop playing along. I know you were (and still are) trying to make me sound like an idiot by having me say deino needs to be stealthy and silent as an ambusher while asking for a nerf to its ambushing abillity

The thing is, you cannot understand the fact that the rework I presented includes purposeful nerfs in some areas and buff in others to balance out deino's current "one-trick-pony" playstyle

But no wonder you cannot understand that since you believe current deino is skillful.

[normal shuttle]

Current deino just takes gambling, patience or buddies. Or a combination of two or the three of them in different proportions

It has negative skill. Even stego takes more effort in the live branch to play as

And then your targets are by design bad players. It only capitalizes on stomping noobs and teaching them to use safe spots just so you’re forced into being a cannibal most of the time to survive

And in cannibal matchups, groups provide an enormous advantage

So to thrive consistently, you would also need to be with buddies as there’s just no escape options other than locking in certain mutations, and even then most hotspots are not connected to big bodies of water so you might unknowingly walk into a death trap that you cannot escape after a long journey

Deinosuckus is ABYSMAL

[queen walrus]

Oh wow, you really have a talent for turning simple yes or no questions into an entire episode of a mystery show. I’m starting to think ‘yes’ and ‘no’ might be foreign words to you. It’s almost impressive how you manage to keep us all guessing without actually answering anything

[normal shuttle]

[urban flax]

I did answer
Multiple times

But you don't seem to be able to understand an answer that is more complex than yes or no

Is that actually the reason why you keep asking such questions ? Do you know what an argument is ?

[normal shuttle]

“Why won’t the other person engage in the clearly railroaded question I proposed that forces them to either agree with me or abandon their entire point?? Smh smh”

[queen walrus]

answer it now

"Would you honestly say that making Deino announce its lunge with a noise improves its role as a stealth ambush predator? Yes or no"

[urban flax]

yes

Because it would make it more fair and balanced in the context of this game

[normal shuttle]

For this game, it absolutely would make it a better ambush predator

Not more effective, but by that same logic I could also turn Herrera invisible and make it capable of gliding so it has further reach when jumping someone. Would be more effective killing but not fair

[urban flax]

Which, in turn, would allow it to profit from more ambushing opportunities, as other players wouldn't as allergic to deino-infested waters if they believe they stand a chance at escaping

[normal shuttle]

Things shouldn’t be effective because of a broken trait

[normal shuttle]

This

Right now the situation is that deino is a no skill cheap killer, no one wants to put up with that, the avoid deino waters, and in turn deino players don’t have fun either and they have to make most of their diet other deinos

It is a bad experience for everyone involved

All because the gator takes advantage of an extremely unfair advantage to get kills

@queen walrus can I ask you a little yes or no question?

[queen walrus]

Again I never avoid questions

[normal shuttle]

Alright then

[queen walrus]

on purpose, like bub does

[urban flax]

So you where still here ? Why didn't you answer me ?

[normal shuttle]

Would you honestly say that reducing Omni’s pounce stamina drain by 80% would make it better as a grappling big game hunter? Yes or no.

[queen walrus]

Re ask the question I came just now

[normal shuttle]

And if yes, should that be added?

5k damage pounce

[queen walrus]

Yes it would make it better technically, because now it can pounce for longer, but it wouldn't be good for the game

[urban flax]

I answered your question
Now I assume you had something else to say in mind, since this is a conversation

[normal shuttle]

This is very much the same logic that applies to deino being completely quiet and invisible even when it is a few feet away from one tapping a 4 ton creature

Hence why I asked it

[queen walrus]

Your answer was a ragebait and you were being wrong on purpose

[normal shuttle]

Sure, it would make it a better ambusher to keep it that way, but it is completely unfair and even overtuned

[urban flax]

huh ?

[queen walrus]

Nope , can't compare that to deino

[urban flax]

You literally answered the exact same thing to Valiant just now

"disagreeing with me is ragebait"
another classic

OOOOOH I should make a bingo

[normal shuttle]

Yes, it is completely applicable

In both cases we are talking about whether a certain (clearly overtuned) trait would benefit the role of the playable, but at the same time it would make it excessively competent in this regard and in a way that isn’t interesting

So it is better to keep it fair for everyone

I disassembled the entire logic of your deino stance if you agree with the Omni bit

It’s either saying that omni wouldn’t be better at hunting big game with a 5k damage pounce (denying reality) or agreeing that some things that make playables better at their role just are excessive and for everyone’s sake shouldn’t be there

[urban flax]

ISLECORD BINGO

-"Anyone who disagrees is X/Anyone who disagrees is ragebaiting"

-"Asking yes/no questions only"

-"It's just a suggestion, no need to argue about it"

-"You main X, therefore your opinion is invalid"

-"You have X hours in the game, therefore your opinion is invalid"

-"Using the word 'debunking' regarding other people's arguments"

-"My experience is different to yours, therefore you're lying"

Did I forget any ?

[normal shuttle]

Because currently there’s literally no counterplay to deino other than cheesing it

That’s so messed up

Seriously, think about it. That you gotta do some cheap extremely one sided exploit in order to not get one tapped by another player

[urban flax]

cheesy... 😔

[normal shuttle]

Cheesy wins against deino

He’s the outlier

[urban flax]

I also just realized deino is the only thing in the game against which the survival strategy does not change no matter what you're playing as :
-Omni : drink in safe spots
-Herra : drink in safe spots
-Troodon : drink in safe spots
-Ptera : drink in safe spots
-Cera : drink in safe spots
-Carno : drink in safe spots
-Dilo : drink in safe spots
-Dryo : drink in safe spots
-Hypsi : drink in safe spots
-Pachy : drink in safe spots
-Teno : drink in safe spots
-Maia : drink in safe spots
-Dibble : drink in safe spots
-Stego : drink in safe spots (optional)
-Galli : drink in safe spots
-Beipi : drink in safe spots (ironically)

[normal shuttle]

And then the drink strategy for all of them never changes.

No safe spot: approach to them slowly under the surface of the water and bite or lunge when they’re close

Safe spot: cry about it

What a well designed and interesting playable to play as and against!!

Well not even slowly, just close to the bottom lol

[urban flax]

that's true deino doesn't make noise even when sprinting underwater lol

So skillfull and strategic

[normal shuttle]

And then the water movement thing only really occurs when it is very much visible even in the river murky texture

Such a playable for actual basal apes

[latent olive]

barion's alt account really trying to hide the fact hes barion's alt account like a dinnersuchus trying to hide in south plains

[night trout]

Why is it, as Deino, I cant see a fish infront 3 meters infront of me at night with night vision on? Is there some lore reason why Deinos cant see anything?

[junior nymph]

no there is a bug but also underwater nv sucks rn

[urban flax]

Did underwater NV ever not suck ?

[junior nymph]

I think there was 1 iteration that I liked

I think it was update 6.5 that one was decent

[junior nymph]

@grand galleon its planned

they are just not working on it rn

[grand galleon]

W

[queen walrus]

they designed elder model adult model, so yeah they're working on it

just perhaps not animations

[junior nymph]

ye thats what i meant

its just for later

[urban flax]

2 quetzes winning against a rex ?
That's preposterous

Unless they're like
4000kg with 700 biteforce each

@wise rune Yes but the opposite
I want female dilos to be the gross ugly cave dweller thing while males are sleek and aerodynamic

To break the clichés
Also it makes more sense in the context of dinos being more closely related to birds than to mammals

[wise rune]

either or!!

i just want it to have something atleast

[urban flax]

Yeah
Too many dinos lack sexual dimorphism

[wise rune]

like all dinos, they need to do more sexual dimorphism

literallyy

[urban flax]

I think for now we only have stego, ptera, and I think beipi with sexual dimorphism

[wise rune]

not sure if beipi does, i never noticed it

[urban flax]

I understand adding dimorphism to more dinos is a lot of work tho, since they basically need to do the morphs twice

[urban flax]

The little crests on its head, I think ? Not sure if females have them

[wise rune]

ohh!! im not sure but hypsi does have that for its eyebrows i know for a fact

[wise rune]

awh yeah that sounds annoying

[urban flax]

Right
I forgot about hypsi too

[wise rune]

same LOL

[urban flax]

Maybe they have a more efficient method
I hope they do, because it sounds like a ton of extra work
But if they don't, then it would explain why so few dinos have dimorphism

[wise rune]

hmm yeah, i always thought they could just edit the model and its done

[urban flax]

Tho maybe I remember one of the devs (I think it was Don ?) saying the dilo render they showed us a while ago (which is basically the one we have now) wouldn't be the only adult model, or something like that
Maybe they do have a form of dimorphism planned for it later ?

[urban flax]

That would have been the case back in legacy
But now with seamless growth, everything becomes more complicated

Which is also why they couldn't make beipi and austro babies into little fluffballs like we seen in the concept arts

[wise rune]

i hope sooo, maybe even like selectable models or something

[wise rune]

yeahhh thats true

[urban flax]

I remember variations were planned at some point too
I don't know if they still are

[wise rune]

they would be really cool, id love to see that

could even let people choose between lips and no lips and stuff

[urban flax]

Same
But realistically speaking, it's probably very low on their priority list

[urban flax]

LIPS DEBATE war flashbacks
But yeah that would be neat

[wise rune]

yeah definitely, probably something theyd do like wayy down the line

[wise rune]

LOL

[stable crow]

Lipposting is back babey

[urban flax]

The fact this is a term here proves we're going through dark times

[thorny cipher]

Please nerf Dilo its way too noob friendly. the ability design is offensive. Not just bad it's makes me feel like leaving this game on the shelf.

[gritty heart]

#general-feedback message

this is just gambling smh

[gritty heart]

It’s way too powerful with its broken venom rn, but not really noob friendly. The game doesn’t really tell you how to use its venom at all. It’s possible for a new player to barely utilize its power and not know.

[granite granite]

#general-feedback message
I don't fully agree with everything here. but these are interesting things

[hexed sandal]

#general-feedback message

Dilo 🙂

[pliant elm]

@weak kestrel Bait?? 🤨🤨

[weak kestrel]

what?

[pliant elm]

You can't really be serious, right?

[weak kestrel]

I don't understand what you're talking about

[pliant elm]

Your post 🫠

[weak kestrel]

there is usually no one in these places

everyone walks on paths

[pliant elm]

The big island really has no one, but west access, north ridge, east plains and Southplains????

[queen locust]

https://tenor.com/view/chef-skinner-suprised-speeded-up-ratatouille-version2-gif-20704217

#general-feedback message

the entire swamp marked is funny

[vernal jacinth]

That post is just,..to funny. If they want a smaller map they could go back to spiro.

[dire bear]

#general-feedback message

Couldnt agree more. Nuke half the map and it would make the game objectively better

[limber hull]

it'd make the game objectively worse lol

it's feeding into the PvP hotspot extravaganza and obliterating entire biomes

[lusty wigeon]

So this is my issue pretty much i fell in a 4 wall ditch with stone no way out i do unstuck and it throws me in the Air killing my Carno that was already hard to get food,geting to the migration etc super super annoying and not gonna lie i raged quick cuss i spent easy hr+ geting him full grown and i get stuck and unstuck AI goes oh let me throw u in the air "THANKS FOR HELP AI SMH"

[latent olive]

i like the giant question mark on the smaller island but places like southwest are crossed out lmao

[exotic cove]

what id like to see is more food i have been playing for 7 hours seen one fish and a stack of bones the game is empty there is no food so far my only experience is walking and dying of hunger.

[tired quest]

pretty sure it is fetting fixed on HT, raised 2 deino on Na and Eu and have no problem finding enough elite fish
the spawn rate will be a little lower when the server pop is higher forcing you to log out (if there is no one in your area)

[junior nymph]

@weak kestrel you know that most of that forest is reworked on HT right????

[hidden pilot]

That means you give incentive to go there, you don't remove it entirely

[indigo gulch]

^they are still developing those places.

[frank tapir]

#general-feedback message I don't think trikes stomach is nearly half of it's weight

[narrow nova]

It's hard to know how big herbivore's stomach is.

But all herbivore can gain 23% stomach from Grazing.

Which means no matter how big the herbivore is, there is no starving problem.

[frank tapir]

I think something with plants should be done, so that massive bushes don't vanish instantly

[narrow nova]

They should provide different types of food for different-sized herbivores. For instance, oranges should be given to smaller animals, while jackfruit should be given to larger ones.

And make a difference in the amount of food served

[junior nymph]

@solemn hornet heres a issue with the rule

how would you know if its mixpacking or just third partying

or just not seeing someone is in a fight

it just leads to spam reports saying someone is mixing leading to the admins getting pinged 24/7

along with them just reporting to try and get a growth back. People would also ping a admin if someone is just being nice cause thats a sort of mixing

[icy lion]

There will not be rules against mixpacking, the devs are working on mechanics for it

[junior nymph]

yep

im just pointing out flaws in rules

[solemn hornet]

And how long will it take ? Problem is right now . Solution is not even close.

[icy lion]

Solution is the next priority after rex and trike are off their plates

[solemn hornet]

Its very good , but now mixpacks are blooming and nothing can touch them , so we will just leave it be for another 5-6 monts or so? Trike still need polishing , Rex is not even in hordtest , and it will need some adjastments after it . So what we do now? Just alow players to do it until then? My solution is not permament but its needed right now

[icy lion]

There will not be rules implemented due to the absolute massive headache it will cause for both players and the admins as Frolo described above

They're busy dealing with hackers

[quartz meteor]

I just don’t understand why some people are being such cry babies about mix packing… there are literally tons of unofficial servers with rules… the official servers are going to stay no rules. Just deal with it. There are numerous servers with rules that will allow you to get the immersion you desire. I don’t understand why some people are dead pressed on making officials have rules. It’s not going to happen. Just stop.

[quartz meteor]

But what would “getting rid of them” accomplish?

[weak kestrel]

people sit in one place, low frequency of players on the map, it is too big and from these places most often they run away to the center of the map

[icy lion]

And making the map smaller prevents that how?

[weak kestrel]

reread

[icy lion]

So you want everyone to crowd in the center of the map?

[wooden agate]

so instead of fixing hotspotting, we just give in and let the map become a deathmatch fishbowl?

[weak kestrel]

that's it, what did I say, I'm changing the card today, I suggested it and you started picking on me

[wooden agate]

no one is picking on you, we're discussing your feedback and what it would bring to the game

that is the point of this channel

[quartz meteor]

No one is picking on you. We’re just trying to understand how getting rid of certain areas of the map, would make the game better. Which at this point, I fail to see, and is also why I would like some elaboration from you on your suggestion.

[hidden pilot]

Bro's playing victim

[vernal jacinth]

@echo spear the devs don’t do anything on Legacy anymore. Eventually it’s going to be deleted

[pliant elm]

@flat onyx why

[mortal parrot]

@queen ember #general-feedback message I think Teno should get the coastal areas too since it is planned to have migrations on the mini islands

[queen ember]

As much as I like the idea of coastal zones on the islands

I just don’t see how it would work too well especially with water and also cutting off like half the roster from going there

[mortal parrot]

iirc Punch mentioned that there would be water sources there and with the salt water mutation and more semi-aquatics soon there should be a good enough reason for them to go there

[queen ember]

See the thing is you’d be forced to take the salt water mutation to survive in your own migration

Unless of course they throw water sources there

Though the only semi aquatics that are gonna really hunt a Teno is Deino, Bary and Sucho

Spino ain’t swimming out to those islands reliably

And austro might not even be capable of hunting big players well even as a group

[frail prawn]

Only reason I'd see semi aquatics creatures go out there is for nesting, so long as reliable food source spawns out there in the future, and then people can move inland once their brood is large enough.

Cant wait to see some life be breathed into the Oceans some day.

[pliant elm]

@mortal parrot I agree, although Troodon already has a way to make its prey spend stam

[mortal parrot]

That isn't a reliable way though

It still has the issue of there being no downside for just leaving in the middle of a fight while envenomed

[pliant elm]

Yes, that's true. Troodon depends on its victim to keep moving. So it would be good to have that

[junior nymph]

@wooden zinc gulp they cant do that... (atleast 200 players)

they cant run like 20 servers all at 200 players I dont think

[mortal parrot]

Something like increased stam cost from alt attacks or sprinting would be good

[pliant elm]

Maybe Something similar to Body fractured, but weaker

Troodon still needs adjustments, especially in its venom which goes straight from stage 3 to 0

[mortal parrot]

Troodon is in a really good spot rn, its just the venom that makes it difficult

[wooden zinc]

If I can run a modded mc server with 10+ people and my pc doesn’t explode they can too (this is a joke yes ik completely different)

[junior nymph]

lmao

[pliant elm]

Yes, it is. But I think it could be better, A little better

[mortal parrot]

It doesn't need anything huge like the fog effect, just something to help it where it struggles

[pliant elm]

I'm not talking about the fog, but about the Venom stages. I think it's kind of silly to just finish the 45s of the purple stage and completely disappear from the victim

[mortal parrot]

For every pounce at stage 3 the duration gets a slight increase

[pliant elm]

Something like leaving the purple stage and going to the first green stage

[mortal parrot]

I do think the venom stage should at least go from 3 to 1

[pliant elm]

That's what I said

[junior nymph]

@gritty kernel they completely break the balance of the game...

[ornate spade]

when does the next update come out to public ?

i heard a lot of people saying 1 week a few days ago bc of the recent dev blog but i cant find where they said that (i dont think they did)

[frank tapir]

they said in the dev blog, check #announcements

[civic peak]

In the recent devblog hypno says "We’re comfortable that the Triceratops is working as intended in our latest QA build and will be prepping it for its official evrima release, which we are aiming to have released sometime next week."

Keep in mind the "aiming" part. Not a guarantee. of course as you never know what bugs might pop up.

[woven bane]

@flat onyx it really isn’t. without the bleed it’s essentially just a one trick pony, if the opponent survives the damage you’re outta “luck” lol

[urban flax]

@sullen pawn It is absolutely normal

[indigo gulch]

^

[normal shuttle]

it needs it to survive bruv

[junior nymph]

isnt it 4-5 hits

[normal shuttle]

Deino ain’t meant to go around fighting land stegos

[junior nymph]

nahh as the legendary pale emperor would say it needs a 50/50 while being able to 2 tap it with headhits

[normal shuttle]

No

50/50 cera vs stego

[junior nymph]

ahh yeah mb mb

I Forgor

[normal shuttle]

Because carnivores of that size are threatening

[junior nymph]

mhm

[normal shuttle]

Deino should have like a 50/50 in land vs Shant

[junior nymph]

the semi mid tier would kill the sub apex

which means troodon should be able to fight teno

and have 50/50

[desert arch]

3 power swings to the head do indeed kill a deino
But its astronomical skill issue if you let that happen.

[junior nymph]

FACTS

[indigo gulch]

while I do miss the stego deino fights a bit on Spiro, this fits the natural balance of the game more

[indigo gulch]

pssssst *astronomical

[junior nymph]

I mean

i havent died to a stego as a deino unless im running on land after it

[indigo gulch]

also what happened to troodon tuesday potato 😛

[indigo gulch]

I mean same, but that's not the point 😦

[junior nymph]

it is though

[junior nymph]

deino will be able to 1 tap half the roster apart from sub apexes and apexes both things the devs have actively say they dont want deino actively hunting

[desert arch]

It became troodon thursday, so everyone who matters can join 😄

[indigo gulch]

problem is that most of those dont really fill the stomach a lot tho

[junior nymph]

make it hypsi friday or hypsi something whenever climbing comes out

[indigo gulch]

im not saying it NEEDS a way to contest apexes, obviously, but maybe something with very low stam

[indigo gulch]

aw how nice of you 🥹

you remembered im busy on tuesdays

[desert arch]

🥔 ❤️

[grizzled matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-loading-screen-gif-21591154

[sullen pawn]

@urban flax I don't think it's normal, a 6 ton herbivore can't do that much damage to an 8 ton apex animal.

[limber hull]

if the 6 ton herbivore has a medieval warcrime on its ass, yea it can

[sullen pawn]

She can't because it wasn't like this before.

This is not a development, it is a war to completely evolve into stego

[limber hull]

not really? deino still has every tool to not die to stego

[sullen pawn]

That's not the issue, Ctrl Damage is very high, that's the only issue.

[limber hull]

It's not an issue tho lol

It's MEANT to do high damage, that's the point of the attac k

[grizzled matrix]

I mean..It does drain a lot of stam to use tbf

[limber hull]

Kinda defeats the point if it didn't do that

Also yea, it has ridiculous stamdrain

I'd say it has way too much stam drain (if tact endurance didn't exist)

[sullen pawn]

Anyway, it was just a suggestion. Everyone has different attitudes.

@limber hull By the way, if you look at the history of Deinosuchus, you will see the real ones 🙂

[grizzled matrix]

True true, but hey, the devs do intend on expanding Deino's kit in the future, so who know, maybe it will get something to survive Stego attacks, only time will tell

[sullen pawn]

@grizzled matrix You're right, time heals what's inside, I just don't want the Deinosuchus to disappear.

[limber hull]

wdym "the real ones"

[junior nymph]

this is a game gang

alot of the dinos would act way different

im sorry to say

[limber hull]

It's never gonna disappear, its niche is entirely uncontested even with the stego powerswing, because deino still has every tool to deal with it

The only animal that can TRULY threaten deino is spinosaurus

[junior nymph]

saying ooo look at actual deino I could say ooo look at actual rex

or spino

or beipi

[urban flax]

It's a 6 ton herbivore, which specializes into killing anything getting into range of its tail
I don't see why not

[sullen pawn]

Let's accept the facts, Deinosuchus is the peak

[grizzled matrix]

Ooh don't worry Deino's will still be one of the most played carnis for a loong time, it's not going anywhere ||until spino releases ||

[junior nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/donut-glaze-satisfying-gif-13180530

holy glaze

[sullen pawn]

😄

[junior nymph]

you know whats insane?

[grizzled matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/холодильник-speech-bubble-gif-25663959

[junior nymph]

deino is not even meant to fight stegos size range

its meant to kill midtiers not apexes

thats the whole reason it has a grab

and on occasion it can kill a sub apex (6T creatue aka stego is swimming)

[sullen pawn]

I'm honestly looking forward to Spino and Giga.
But Lets accept the facts deinosuchus is the peak 😄

[limber hull]

that's an opinion my friend

[sullen pawn]

As a deinosuchus player, I think my defense is normal 😄

[grizzled matrix]

I do think grab should be reworked, at least grabbed prey should be able to struggle

[limber hull]

technically a regular gator is the peak, because it's a more evolved version of the deinosuchus

[junior nymph]

I cant wait to grab you as a spino and break your skull

[grizzled matrix]

Yeah Deino is cool, i like big croc

[sullen pawn]

Does anyone have any information on how many tons Rex will weigh?

[grizzled matrix]

uuuh, around 9 tons

[limber hull]

9.35 tons approximately

[sullen pawn]

So giga? 😄

Because this dinosaur is very big

[urban flax]

Around the same

[sullen pawn]

We are all waiting impatiently for the next dinosaurs, but I will never give up on Deinosuchus, I spent fifteen hundred hours on Deino 😄

[limber hull]

no one is asking you to give up on deino tho