general-feedback-discussion

[frank tapir]

it's not a good suggestion for this game

[normal shuttle]

^

And it’s all the more worse because of the eat grass and die mentality

[urban flax]

Mr. Survival Instinct, whose fear drive is multiplied by 8000%
Whenever he sees a spider his body gets pumped with so much adrenaline he breaks the speed of sound, annihilates the spider and everything surrounding it, and his heart stops and restarts itself 11 times

[normal shuttle]

When not all herbivores have herds around to rely on and they are playables like everyone else

[junior nymph]

^

[ornate spade]

ok whats your idea to stop a random stego hanging out with 3 raptors and a cera all having a dinner party on a rock? or you think thats "fun game design" ?

[urban flax]

Scent

[junior nymph]

facts

[normal shuttle]

Just put a marker on them

[ornate spade]

oh so we can stay away from them and NOT acknowledge that they are part of the game, got it

[junior nymph]

you cant really make it so you get debuffs theres easy way around debuffs

[ornate spade]

still not fixing the issue

[urban flax]

When a lot of people hang around each other, no matter the species, they emit scent
So you can avoid them from afar

[urban flax]

Exactly
What does it matter to you if you can simply avoid them ?

[junior nymph]

theres no real way of fixing it without ruining other more important stuff about the game

[urban flax]

Which is ?

[ornate spade]

they literally already do

[normal shuttle]

More so knowing where they are so you can either not get rolled if they’re too strong or take them out quietly

[urban flax]

That's crazy
Almost like good ideas get implemented in the game

[normal shuttle]

[ornate spade]

what happens when you decide you wanna hunt players and no AI for once? only to discorver theres like 5 dudes in this entire area and theyre all bum chums lol

[frank tapir]

strains will also be able to hunt them

[urban flax]

Find someone else to hunt

[junior nymph]

you leave the area...

quite simple I know

[frank tapir]

what if I'm a carno and there are five ceras

[normal shuttle]

Well, it is what it is

Same logic applies to non mixpacks

You can’t do much as a troodon if there’s just ceras and stegos around

[urban flax]

It could be 1 stego, 2 ceras, 5 tenos and 3 carnos or that same amount of only rexes, either way you wouldn't be able to hunt them

[ornate spade]

theres no oone else, because theyre either being friendly and joining, or running away from the area entirely

[normal shuttle]

Go somewhere else

[urban flax]

Then run away from the area too and find them

[junior nymph]

facts

[ornate spade]

yeah but thats what you expect to see in the game, its totally normal when you see a few stegos in a herd, thats how the game was designed

[urban flax]

I'm not sure what you're expecting from this situation
You want to be able to only hang around at hotspots without ever being bothered with a fight you cannot win ? What logic is that ?

[ornate spade]

a fight that is possible, is what id want

[wooden agate]

at this point i think he just wants to call women dumb

[ornate spade]

even 20% chance

[normal shuttle]

So your logic is, when you’re a troodon looking for good:

3 stegos in a herd = oh it’s okay

1 stego and two omnis mixing = PATCH THIS RQ OMG SO UNFAIR REEEE

[urban flax]

Too bad, no matter what you'll always have fights you can't win in this game

[wooden agate]

oh my god theres more to read

i thought i was at the bottom

[ornate spade]

how did i call women dumb lol? i literally said theyre just as smart just have smaller skulls

[urban flax]

It's a survival game, not a deathmatch

[junior nymph]

facts

[ornate spade]

HIS logic was calling women dumb lol

[urban flax]

It wasn't lol

[junior nymph]

it wasnt.

[wooden agate]

his argument actually never mentioned women

stop finding connections where there are none

[ornate spade]

and survival means herding with carnivores bc thats the most efficient way to "survive"

thats the issue

[normal shuttle]

They should add a playable dinosaur but with Mordekaiser’s ult

Mixpack hunter niche

[ornate spade]

skull size = intelligence. that was a clear connection lol

[wooden agate]

"i think dark colors look bad on walls"

"SO YOU HATE PEOPLE WITH DARKER SKIN COMPLECTIONS?"

that is what you just did

[junior nymph]

lmao

[wooden agate]

that is LITERALLY what you just did

[urban flax]

Unless there was a way to avoid mixpacks, such as scent

[wooden agate]

you read a sentence and made up an entirely different one in your head

[limber hull]

no he really wants ME to do it, which is equally strange

[ornate spade]

no, it was a comparison, wasnt even close to that

[normal shuttle]

Guys I have a suggestion: give magy a katana so it can grab it with its mouth

[ornate spade]

we were talking about brain size bc of skull size, so i brought up ANOTHER species, and cross referenced it with that

do you forget WE are animals too? or you like delusion?

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/shiba-inu-shiba-max-shibenation-samurai-dog-katana-dog-gif-25117179

[urban flax]

Why is it levelling destruction with a katana
It should be two-handed
Unrealistic
Worst meme I've ever seen, you're a disgrace

[ornate spade]

thats how a logic debate takes place, you bring evidence not just thoughts

[wooden agate]

EQ is literally one of our best methods of determining intelligence in animals, idk what youre arguing about

[ornate spade]

sorry you dont get it

[normal shuttle]

😔

[urban flax]

Destruction is for magic
Even one-handed or anything else would have made more sense
Why not illusion while we're at it ?
How would you like that huh ?

[wooden agate]

and if you dont know what EQ is, i dont know why youre arguing about it anyway

[ornate spade]

and how yoou testing emotioons on an animal thats been extince for over 66 million years lol?

[urban flax]

Yikes, even speech would have made more sense than destruction, because the dog is using its mouth
This makes absolutely no sense

[normal shuttle]

Well then, I will just reference sif

[ornate spade]

thats my point, we ARE NOT using that to judge intelligence, and guesses could be totally innacurate

[normal shuttle]

Magyarosaurus with a katana (Sauropod sif niche)

[stuck imp]

how are you? assuming the stegos felt fear instead of the allosaurus...?

[urban flax]

Unless it's a magic katana
But enchanted weapons don't level the enchantment's skill either, so it doesn't even work this way

[wooden agate]

so you reject actual scientific methods because you yourself believe it to be impossible?

thats the exact opposite of a logical debate, you are IGNORING evidence

[ornate spade]

to say "oh stegoo was dumb" is complete heresay

[limber hull]

Intelligence aside, fear mechanic still bad for gameplay lol

[wooden agate]

just because you dont know how they reached that conclusion does not mean the conclusion all of a sudden loses its validity

[ornate spade]

they both likely would have, as most animals we see today died off if they didnt have fear

exibit A. dodo bird

[urban flax]

It's not a random statement, it's been studied
Even if the estimate isn't 100% reliable, it's safe to assume stego wasn't the brightest animal around

[ornate spade]

stego lived for literally millions of years

dodo did not

[wooden agate]

higher EQ's are almost consistently recognized to be associated with an animals general intelligence

a '1' is whats expected from the animal, higher numbers mean more brain.

STEGOSAURUS IS A 0.2

[ornate spade]

im not saying it wasnt dumb, the argument was that it was TOO DUMB to experience FEAR

[urban flax]

A fear mechanic would have to make sense
In the case of stego, what would make sense would be to increase its damage or swinging speed, or reduce the stamina cost from attacks

[ornate spade]

FEAR is not about being smart

[limber hull]

You know the best way to make fear a part of your game?

Make it scary, don't add a mechanic that tells people they're meant to be scared.

Show, don't tell type beat

[normal shuttle]

@ornate spade give me a non fallacious argument as for why herbivores and omnivores shouldn’t inflict fear on others, carnivores included

[urban flax]

I thought it was "too dumb to have irrational fears"

[ornate spade]

animals get scared of their own reflections, THATS NOT SMART, they still are scared no?

[limber hull]

True, fear should increase stego's damage, stamina, speed and damage resist

To illustrate the fight or flight response

[normal shuttle]

Kind of is because if you are smart enough to know if something is a threat or not, you change your reaction. Also instincts matter and stego feeling fear because if a cera is dumb

[ornate spade]

the "omnivores" we have in the game are literally just herbivores which can eat frogs or fish

[junior nymph]

yeee

[urban flax]

You're right about one thing tho Kled, fear is a necessary part of survival
So if fear had to be implemented, it should be fear buffs, not debuffs

[wooden agate]

"fear evolved to help things survive, so instead we're going to make them worse at surviving when theyre afraid"

[ornate spade]

if they add an omnivore that ACTUALLY hunts and eats meat then yes it should apply to them too

[junior nymph]

ovi

deinochirus maybe

[urban flax]

Fear is only a debuff among us humans because we live in an environment we aren't adapted to and because our behavior is too complex and altered from what we're made to do to have fear work properly as a survival mechanic

[ornate spade]

fear is what tells us to get away, hide, fight etc. not hug the raptor so we doont die

[urban flax]

What about herbivores ?

[urban flax]

Depends on what species you are

As I mentioned earlier, large herbivores tend to try to kill things rather than run away when they're scared

[wooden agate]

i like conversations like this because they are genuinely pointless

[ornate spade]

quite literally does not. every animal runs, hides, or fights back when its scared. if it doesnt its said to not have a fear response

[urban flax]

Because they aren't made for running away, so the optimal survival strategy when they're threatened is to eliminate the threat

[wooden agate]

the devs are already adding an anti-mixpacking feature, and if you cant wait for that, there are literally dozens of unofficials with rules against it to choose from

[urban flax]

It absolutely depends, all animals don't react in the same way

[ornate spade]

lioons still have fear, if the wilderbeast charges at them they run, then when it turns they go back on the ffight bc the horns arent there, the fear is gone

[urban flax]

You misinterpret what I said

[ornate spade]

yes, fight is there fear response, thats what theyre built for. could make the fear mechanic work differently on different dinos for sure

[wooden agate]

also, 'fear'/'comfort' meters in dinosaur games historically are some of the easiest things to abuse

BoB im looking at you

[ornate spade]

like stego gets damage buffs or adreneline making it faster for however many threats are aroound it, and galli gets a speed buff or something idk

[normal shuttle]

So…eating meat is what makes you scary?

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

[urban flax]

But then it wouldn't be an anti-mixpack mechanic
Not that a fear debuff would achieve that in any way either

[normal shuttle]

In reply to this lol

[wooden agate]

herbivores arent scary valiant, theyre just cuddly and want to be your friend

[urban flax]

And I don't think anything needs fear buffs in this game either

[ornate spade]

theyre still deadly, but theres nowhere near as much threat as a carnivore

[urban flax]

lol

[wooden agate]

hippos kill more people in africa than lions every year

[ornate spade]

would you rather be trapped with a tiger or a gazelle

gazelle could easily kill you too, but youre never taking the tiger lol

[urban flax]

Would you rather be trapped with a dog or with a bull

[wooden agate]

dogs eat meat so.... bull i think!

[urban flax]

Would you rather be trapped with a dragonfly or with a rhino

[junior nymph]

lmao

[ornate spade]

lion or wilderbeast

[midnight heath]

I still liked the symbol/scent for mixpacking #balance-feedback message

[ornate spade]

keeps the same size aspect as stego to omni

[frank tapir]

how bigs the room?

[urban flax]

Absolutely not XD

[ornate spade]

the whole wide world

[wooden agate]

stego is 6 tons

omni is 450kg

[ornate spade]

thats my point, you can walk away from an angry wilderbeast and hes NOT chasing you, if i a lion wants to eat you, IT WILL

[frank tapir]

then the choice doesn't matter does it? I could be 100km away

[wooden agate]

they absolutely will chase you what do you mean lol

[urban flax]

If only...

[junior nymph]

lion

[wooden agate]

herbivores will run up to you and murder you for looking at them wrong

god forbid youre ever in the savannah and a rhino or hippo sees you

[ornate spade]

imagining you run into it in the bush or something

[wooden agate]

god forbid you ever run into a moose

[ornate spade]

you likely can walk away

[urban flax]

In fact, I think I'd trust the lion more because if it isn't hungry maybe I can pack bond with it
A wildebeest can decide to kill me for no reason

[midnight heath]

I love the documented cases of wildebeest killing and seeking out lion cubs because preventative aggression exists.

[junior nymph]

yep

[frank tapir]

doesn't mean I wouldn't be scared

[midnight heath]

I feel like if you punched a lion it's more likely to flee than a wildebeest

[ornate spade]

youd be scared bc if you tried to run, you woould fail

the carnivores like lions leopards and whatnot are much faster

hence the carnivores we are playing in the gaem

[midnight heath]

There's so, so, so many videos out there of bovines just attacking things to attack things.

[ornate spade]

how scared of a stegoo when he runs 40X slower than u

[wooden agate]

also for this, lion and a large male hippo are probably the closest you can get to a similar compairson

[urban flax]

I have a friend who actually survived against a bear by punching the bear in the face

[frank tapir]

you said I could walk away, so I figured you meant the wilderbeast, but now you're talking about the lion?

[urban flax]

Actually Isle stego is faster than a human
And I think it was irl too

[ornate spade]

yeah, lions arent gonna bother hunting it and hunt something smaller, like they do in the isle

[wooden agate]

theres an entire spanish sport about waving a cloth in a bulls face and making it so angry that it charges you and tries to kill you

[wooden agate]

that has literally nothing to do with what i said

[midnight heath]

Kodos on them honestly, go down swinging if anything.

[junior nymph]

thats actually crazy

[ornate spade]

yeah, humans should be scared of everything in this game. but a carnivore like a carno or raptor has no reason to fear a stego when he can literally almost outwalk it

[midnight heath]

https://tenor.com/view/beasts-of-bermuda-kaperoo-the-isle-path-of-titans-gif-23526654

[frank tapir]

a stego should have no reason to fear a carno

[wooden agate]

just as a stego has no reason to fear either carno or raptor due to the fact its expressly designed to be able to deal with these things extremely efficiently lol

[midnight heath]

But, but the Carno has sharp teeth!

[frank tapir]

also, the fear is the reason they run. it's what tells them to

[junior nymph]

FACTS

[urban flax]

Fun fact, he didn't know there was a bear where his punch would land

He was exploring a cave and as he went down a chasm he heard a growl behind him
He turned around and punched in the dark in panic
Turns out there was a bear, probably just as surprised as he was, who ran away

[junior nymph]

carnivore = more powerful

[wooden agate]

can you imagine

[ornate spade]

again, it was a suggestion. in massive groups it should for sure fear raptors, ceras, carnos even, allos

[wooden agate]

literally the opening of skyrim right there

[wooden agate]

i dont think stego should fear the small game hunter or the scavenger much at all when its meant to be taking on rex

[ornate spade]

the mechanic can be adjusted like more fear for more creatures or minimum 5 carnivores foor stego size etc

[midnight heath]

Genuinely terrifying but again, incredibly sick that he just threw a punch out of instinct and likely avoided getting mauled because of it.

[urban flax]

But why is a fear buff even needed

[ornate spade]

maybe they make fear weight based, like if the combined weight is higher yoou get the fear

so small stuff is scared more

[frank tapir]

so much complication and no one has brought up how the mechanic can benefit mixpackers

[ornate spade]

its not supposed to

[frank tapir]

but it can

[ornate spade]

mixpackers are ruining the game thats why it needs to be fixed

[urban flax]

What benefit does the mechanic have at all

[wooden agate]

something something mixpacking

despite devs already working on a counter measure that (hopefully) wont be abuseable like 99% of fear/comfort systems, and the fact that you can ALREADY avoid mixpacking by going to an unofficial server with rules

[midnight heath]

People would complain that their very scary carnivore protagonist is constantly trembling because there's a group of ceratopsians around.

[ornate spade]

makes mixpackers have to split up, or suffer massive penalties

[woeful latch]

this discussion is still going…

[latent olive]

just introduce a larger predator surely nothing will go wrong

[ornate spade]

so theyre more inclined too go herbivore or play the same damn creature as the game is intended

[woeful latch]

hehe… hehehehe… help.

[lilac bolt]

unfortunately yeah

[urban flax]

But I thought we established that logically fear should cause buffs instead of debuffs

[midnight heath]

Flee mechanic?

[frank tapir]

#general-feedback-discussion message

[ornate spade]

that wasnt my initial idea

that was yours lol

[urban flax]

I know

But then it allows mixpackers to just debuff other players so they're easier to kill

[wooden agate]

but you advocated for the buffs as well

[midnight heath]

I think that's far less likely to grief people by just following someone around

[ornate spade]

it could, theory crafting

[midnight heath]

People would just follow people around to debuff them and not care if they die doing it.

[wooden agate]

so it would reward mixpacking

[ornate spade]

what i wrote there wasnt exactly thought out like my original idea

[urban flax]

Also how does the game handle 4 omnis, 2 ceras and 1 dryo approaching 1 carno, 2 stegos and 2 dibbles
Who gets scared of who

[tepid gale]

tf kinda balancing is that 😭

[ornate spade]

and yes it makes no sense in terms of fixing the idea

so debuffs makes more sense

[wooden agate]

but i thought the point/reasoning behind it was realism, as you mentioned

[urban flax]

Debuffs make less sense AND are more abusable

[wooden agate]

and since fear directly is a result of our need to survive

[ornate spade]

0 context is what that is

[wooden agate]

well you put the dots together

[ornate spade]

how you gonna abuse a debuff llike that as a mixpack group? youre suffering from the debuff

[tepid gale]

i dont need context to know that that is a whack suggestion

[wooden agate]

because then you just use it to hunt things lol

[woeful latch]

trolling

[urban flax]

Not if you're 3 ceras and 1 stego since it's dependend on weight

[ornate spade]

thats the point lol?

[wooden agate]

"hey guys lets target this stego, since we have 3 ceratos it will get fear and be sooo much easier to kill lol"

[urban flax]

Also then you can just go around say a dibble and wait for it to get fear-debuffed before attacking

[ornate spade]

thats quite literally the point, it takes away mixpackers and makes herbivores easier to hunt in groups

[tepid gale]

or just go on a server with rules

[midnight heath]

Except Ceras shouldn't be hunting Stegos

[urban flax]

So buff for mixpackers and debuff for herbivores
Absolutely everything we need

[ornate spade]

and it gives more time before the attack for the dibble to reposition, call for help etc

[wooden agate]

the right solution but oddly enough the one thats never chosen

[urban flax]

Except with a fear mechanic they could !

[midnight heath]

You're so right

[ornate spade]

you coould buff herbivores seperately to make carnivores more reliant on instilling fear

[urban flax]

That's stupid

[wooden agate]

so just screw solo players right

[lilac bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[ornate spade]

buff things like carno or ambush predators to account for the extra herbivore strenght

[midnight heath]

I don't like that argument because there's genuinely like 2 populated servers with actual rules

[wooden agate]

making herbivores even MORE impossible to hunt solo cant go wrong, surely

[urban flax]

Powercreeping to account for a useless and immersion-breaking mechanic

[wooden agate]

there are several popular unofficials now

[ornate spade]

idk why yooure thinking 20-30% less hp stego will be an easy kill

[urban flax]

You're putting bandaids on a wound you opened yourself

[tepid gale]

but why not play on those 2 servers then

[wooden agate]

land of time, petit pieds, islander, dino den, etc

[ornate spade]

or even 20-30% damage, bro will still one shot lol

[urban flax]

30% LESS HP ???
wtf

[tepid gale]

30% less hp 😭

[midnight heath]

Ping, the main one is EU

[ornate spade]

as in they take 30% more dmg

[urban flax]

ewwwwwww

[ornate spade]

not their hp goes down

[wooden agate]

bro wants stego to have barely more health than a maiasaura

[tepid gale]

would you rather deal with a bit of high ping or the circlejerk that is balancing an antimixpack mechanic

[tired quest]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1369232731418132500
is this dude drunk?

[wooden agate]

its literally the same thing lol

[midnight heath]

Aside from Petits, what other populated/full servers are out there that don't allow mixing and such? Genuinely asking because I need them.

[urban flax]

I can try to translate it

[ornate spade]

yeah but its not

[midnight heath]

I mean, something that's playable is preferred.

Meaning there's not really an option of "go to a server with rules" if I'd like to play the game

[wooden agate]

@red compass one question, wat

#general-feedback message

[lilac bolt]

in my years of being on the internet this might in contention for one of the most mind numbing arguments i've ever seen.

[wooden agate]

so we have a deep misunderstanding of what effective health is i see

[tepid gale]

well seems to me like its an "only time will tell" issue, there is a petits NA server now is there not?

[ornate spade]

its very much not the same. HP determines damage if im suddenly 30% hp down im closer to being wounded, id have to recover that health, id take more dmg from certain mutations

[wooden agate]

it would take 5 less charge bites from cera to kill stego with that 30% damage increase btw

[urban flax]

Ok I can't translate it word from word
But I think I get the general idea
"Deino had higher biteforce, more armor and was bigger than rex, so it shouldn't be a cannibal and also not deathroll, buff deino"

[wooden agate]

i just want you to realize that

5 less charge bites

that is over 2k damage

that just doesnt need to be applied

[midnight heath]

Possibly, but as it stands now it's a really odd pushback.

And possibly, I remember that being mentioned but that also leaves only one actual server to play on.

[tired quest]

mind blowning

[ornate spade]

yeah, and to get to that level, youd need to be around that stego for upwards of 5 minutes

hence plenty of time to go drink, get to a safe spot etc

[midnight heath]

That's like saying "just go lay down" when there's 2 beds, one is miles away and the other might already have someone sleeping in it. There are beds, but the options are limited.

[wooden agate]

i havent personally played on dino den but the other ones ive played on and ive never seen any carni mixing or carni x herbi mixing

[tepid gale]

notice how youre just throwing around arbitrary stat numbers and timers and all this extra bs to balance an anti mixpack mechanic that would only be abused in the long run

[wooden agate]

i could open up the game and go one by one on the server list but honestly that sounds awful

[midnight heath]

Isn't Islander a free grow?

[tepid gale]

also as far as i remember prior extinction had a pretty decent anti mixpack system

[wooden agate]

no thats zooming islander

[tepid gale]

zoomid islander

[wooden agate]

normal islander is their semi realism server so its more niche but still

[midnight heath]

Does Dino Den or Land of Time ever end up full?

[ornate spade]

its not abusing if its an intended gameplayy mechanic

[wooden agate]

well its not 'their semi realism', it has nothing to do with zooming islander

[midnight heath]

None of those ever seem to come up with populated servers

[ornate spade]

thats like saying oh theyre abusing omni pounce! like what?????????? thats their attack

[midnight heath]

By populated I mean 60+ players to be clear

[tepid gale]

no its not the same in the slightest but sure

[wooden agate]

land of time reaches 150 daily

[ornate spade]

they are ABUSING mixpacking, because it wasnt accounted for, and nothing was put in place to discourage it, only to encourage same species play

[ornate spade]

well it quite literally is

[midnight heath]

I'll check that one out then, God forbid it's not EU

[tepid gale]

what ur doing is suggesting inane stat value changes and timers which would make the balancing of the game so much harder and unnecessary lol
it cannot and will not be fixed with mechanics alone, ever

[wooden agate]

except a) THEY ARE LITERALLY WORKING ON SOMETHING TO FIX IT RIGHT NOW, and b) UNOFFICIALS

[ornate spade]

thats like saying wow theyre abusing the bleed mechanic

[urban flax]

But then if the intended way is to follow a herbi for 20 minutes to debuff it with no possible counterplay then kill it with no effort it's a terrible mechanic

[ornate spade]

like yeah? thats the point no?

[wooden agate]

its NA iirc

[midnight heath]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-interesting-gif-11282418

[ornate spade]

ok well i didnt know that did i?

[wooden agate]

ive said it 3 times

[tepid gale]

bro just go to unofficials 😭

[ornate spade]

no yoou did not lol

[wooden agate]

ive pinged you in 2 of those responses

[ornate spade]

or yoou said it when 500 peoople were typing

[wooden agate]

oh you think im stupid and cant scroll up 5 messages

anyways

[tepid gale]

i think it was proven long ago that bro can not infact read that well

[midnight heath]

https://tenor.com/view/phoenix-wright-objection-gif-13083065649954242952

[lilac bolt]

it would just be a in game mechanic that is able to be abused sure you can use in its intended way but that doesn't change the fact that others can abuse the system

[ornate spade]

unnoficial server is the solution to 90% of the problems, but people wanna be able to play on officials

also i never seen you type any of that

[wooden agate]

then play officials, but dont be surprised when you dont get the experience you want because its not meant for you

[ornate spade]

i have 0 unnoficial servers in my region

[wooden agate]

officials are meant to be a lawless land

[midnight heath]

People just want BoB talents out there

[wooden agate]

BoB has so much potential

[midnight heath]

I'm still reeling on the guy who said Tenos weren't allow to kill people at random

[wooden agate]

i lov bob and i hate bob

[wooden agate]

PLEASE dont remind me

ive never seen someone stare me in the face and lie to me harder than that day

[midnight heath]

"We never threatened them"

Threatens them

WHy ATTacK???

[wooden agate]

"you 3 called the teno first"

"no i didnt idiot, lay off the drugs" (actual thing he said to me)

sends proof of the 3 call IN THE VIDEO HE PROVIDED

"ofc we called they were right there"

[midnight heath]

I saw, I saw. I read the feedback and rushed to the feedback to look

[wooden agate]

i forgor what he said for a second and then it came back as i was hitting enter

https://tenor.com/view/discord-gif-9392003928868563872

[midnight heath]

I personally think it's more like

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043017783295889470/1304667221770895420/image0.gif

[wooden agate]

but yah devs are hard at work on anti mixpacking systems already, reminents of which have been found in game files, though im not going to divluge what it has included so far because i dont think its my place to say

[midnight heath]

It's just a hard issue to fix, and I think a lot of folks forget that.

[gaunt mica]

they will never fix mix packing. Its been in the game since day 1

[midnight heath]

I've yet to see more than 3 different ideas proposed by the community to fix it either

[wooden agate]

its so insane to me how people will read something is literally a WIP in the files right now and then go "hurrr not happening'

[midnight heath]

I've seen scent/symbol, debuff/stress and today, fleeing mechanics.

[wooden agate]

scent/symbol is probably the most suitable option

[midnight heath]

I agree, I heard some pushbacks but they're going to be the smallest minority

[gaunt mica]

Ok how they going to combat it effectively? Just because something is in the files does not mean its a magic wand.... Hurrrr durrr back at ya

[midnight heath]

If you can see the issue from a mile away and avoid it, it'll be a lot more helpful. The "large pack icon" isn't helpful at all.

[wooden agate]

it also triggers at really odd times?

like we can have 3 ceras and trigger it, but the 6 carnos across the river arent triggering it

[midnight heath]

I don't even know no more, it's there for weird reasons. I see it on packs of Deinos enough.

[wooden agate]

best tool for determining if theres deinos in the water tbh

[midnight heath]

That is what I mostly relied on as a solo Deino

[gaunt mica]

exactly right avoid the question just like i thought

[midnight heath]

It's almost like they were already engaged in a conversation with someone else

[wooden agate]

im not going to engage with inherently doomeristic thoughts just because you lack faith in the dev team

cry to someone else, i dont care lol

the devs are working on an anti-mixpacking feature regardless of how you feel about it

how it will work, how it will effect the game, etc remains to be seen

[gaunt mica]

How many years has this game been out? ill wait

[wooden agate]

and now you move the goalpost from the original discussion lol

[gaunt mica]

9 years of development and mix packing is not a high priority among everything else

[midnight heath]

I love when people include Legacy as if it's the same as Evrima's progression.

[normal shuttle]

Yeah it’s not

[gaunt mica]

Envirmas progression has been slower than a snail. I think we can all agree

[wooden agate]

its been in development for as long as legacy was and has over triple the content lol

[normal shuttle]

More playables, completing the ecosystem and enriching the gameplay loop is more important

[normal shuttle]

True

[gaunt mica]

And is still full of bugs and bad frame rate drops in the main areas. Yep im hearing you

[midnight heath]

I think they're doing a really good job this year in terms of progression. I am curious if that new rig system they started with Kentro is helping.

[gaunt mica]

The game has grown alot ill give them that. The players here are pretty loyal

[normal shuttle]

Less bugs than legacy especially legacy after an update.
And also computer issue!!!!!

[wooden agate]

legacy was so unbuggy, thats why they updated the lighting and broke para

[gaunt mica]

4080 super i dont think so

[normal shuttle]

Weren’t you there when devs updated allo animations and a few other things a little after evrima released and the whole map bugged?

[wooden agate]

the fact i use cloud gaming with a far worse gpu than that (and a far worse setup most likely) and dont recieve frame drops in major areas is kinda funny lol

[midnight heath]

Didn't Allo's roar a few months ago cause issues too?

[wooden agate]

i think it was the spawning as it that caused the issues

it had basically JUST been put into the game

[midnight heath]

Allo fighting tooth and nail to get out

[normal shuttle]

Or when they were only able to code Utah pouncing shant because they already had the base coding with austro for that. They didn’t dare with the others

[wooden agate]

hes ripping out of his cage

[gaunt mica]

becuase you hide away in the corner of the map probably. im perma in South plains

[wooden agate]

baseless assumptions, awesome sauce

thats such a good method, here ill try next

you get frame drops because your PC sucks

[gaunt mica]

100% facts more like it

[normal shuttle]

I play with Sammy and we’re always moving around bruh

[wooden agate]

no, we stick in a corner and eat grass and die like a good isle player does!

[gaunt mica]

go to south plains and tell me your getting 100+ frames

[normal shuttle]

I am making things up, yet you corroborate it

We gotta play sometime tho

[midnight heath]

The HT runs like hot garbo for me, I'm blaming the funky grass.

[wooden agate]

i lock my frames to 60 because anything more is unnecessary lol (+ i play on high settings)

[lilac bolt]

on what settings though?

[gaunt mica]

maxed

[wooden agate]

but if its unlocked i generally stay at about 80-90

i get frame drops in HT but thats to be expected with all the background processes going on within the server for player monitoring and data collection

and every HT is like that so

[gaunt mica]

the old map had the exact same issues. Centre was just frame rate dropping when there were alot of dinos. I really miss that map

[midnight heath]

I don't worry too much about the HT running poor, I expect it, I just wanted to play it but as of yesterday that's not happening.

[wooden agate]

pretty much every HT was riddled with preformance issues that disappeared the day it went live (and actually improved preformance in most cases, such as diablo and NV updates)

[gaunt mica]

Why did they end up making a new map anyway? anyone know

[normal shuttle]

Main problem with ht to me is the lag

[midnight heath]

Spiro was awful

[wooden agate]

spiro was thrown together in a month and lacked literally anything interesting

[normal shuttle]

Because spiro was ass and it had ZERO plans for the future

[wooden agate]

the flow of movement was also "you either go to center or... well, center"

the waterways were also so cringe 💔

literally no challenge to deino in the slightest

[latent olive]

i think the most interesting parts on the entire map of spiro were the alligator pond and the log bridge thing at swamp

[midnight heath]

I can play most HTs is all, this one specifically I can't currently. I squeezed by the rest I suppose.

[wooden agate]

i really only liked the human building hiding in swamp

[gaunt mica]

i mean there was only really 2 pvp spots which where raptor rock and centre but i think the PvP was far more common than this map. The spawns on this map really need to be re done

[normal shuttle]

On gateway you can see something like Herrera, Spino, Cama, Para, Quetz and Carno thriving

Meanwhile on spiro you would have starved to death as a rex if it wasn’t for the active warzone that is center

[wooden agate]

yeah thats a bad thing

its not a pvp game first and foremost, its a survival game and its map should reflect that instead of shoveing everyone in center and having a FFA

[normal shuttle]

No challenge for deino and ironically a challenge for solo deinos because there’s nowhere to hide from cannibals

[wooden agate]

also spiro would have been far larger than gateway when fully done

[gaunt mica]

Its not a PvP game? I disagree

[normal shuttle]

You’re forced into tight, shallow hallways as a smaller croc

And the solution was land deino, which was terrible

[wooden agate]

i mean i dont really care if you disagree, its not

[latent olive]

i agree

[wooden agate]

it has PVP elements, sure, but it is first and foremost a survival game

[midnight heath]

Don't make me tap the sign

[gaunt mica]

survival is literally sitting in a bush waiting to get adult then the game actaully starts when you can kill players

[normal shuttle]

It has PvP elements, doesn’t mean PvP is the wholesale

[wooden agate]

correction, thats survival for you because thats what you do

[normal shuttle]

^

[wooden agate]

if you sit in a bush and wait to hit FG, you are the one depriving yourself from the experiences the game offers lol

[midnight heath]

I blame Summit for the new players thinking of this game as "classes" and PVP

[latent olive]

god please give me dryo burrowing so i can raise entire dynasties within mine earthly kingdom

[wooden agate]

thats like half the reason theyre trying to kill AFK growing

[wooden agate]

we will never recover from this

[midnight heath]

I wish that were a joke

[woeful latch]

that’s honestly ridiculous

[midnight heath]

That stream hurt me on the inside

[wooden agate]

"cera should be able to 1v1 stego 😠 " i am so glad you stopped playing the game

[gaunt mica]

ok unless you have a premade group solo survival as intended is killed off by everyone wanting to grief you. Herbis do it and certaily carnis aswell

[woeful latch]

people are playing it like it’s team fortress 2 with mixpack teams lol

[normal shuttle]

Lmao

[gaunt mica]

if mix packing did not exist id play the game normally as you say

[latent olive]

i honestly appreciate that dondi just went on stream and answered his "questions" deadpan

[wooden agate]

i mean... there are literally servers where it doesnt exist lol

[normal shuttle]

Or why not simply play carefully while still having fun

[woeful latch]

if i was dondi i would just tell that guy to shut the meow up

[gaunt mica]

you have pteras who just fly around giving info to their discord group then you have ceras,carnos and raptors hunting you down

[wooden agate]

i hated how dondi acted in the interviews because you could tell he was holding himself back

we need to let dondi be able to call people stupid again

[midnight heath]

I wish he could have been more mean, I really do but I know that's what they wanted so they could use it. Dondi has so much more patience than I do

[latent olive]

go off sister so true so true

[midnight heath]

Cooking as they say

[woeful latch]

honestly, yes

[wooden agate]

like there comes a point where you have to put your foot down and go "no, no matter how much you whine and beg, that is not happening."

[latent olive]

10 years of community horror really gives a man the thousand yard stare

[wooden agate]

but the first PR the game has seen in a while yadda yadda first impressions yadda yadda

[woeful latch]

so true, yes.

[wooden agate]

like could you imagine spending hours working on a pot of soup that is tailor made for what you wanted, and someone comes up and goes "um actually this would be better if it was pasta instead of soup"

NO???? get AWAY from ME???

[midnight heath]

Rushing to Reddit with their "GUYS HE'S SO MEAN LOOK!!!"

Trying to explain that yes, a Rex will just take food from Ceras and there's nothing you can do about it as a Cera was painful because they clearly couldn't wrap their heads around it.

Not everything is meant to fight everything

[wooden agate]

he is better than me

i do not have patience for those that go out of their way to completely misunderstand something

it comes across as being purposefully obtuse and theres nothing i cant stand more than weaponized incompetence

[midnight heath]

They were actively trying to get an "Ah-HA" moment out of him every few topics

[woeful latch]

yeah, i mean honestly.. some people just don’t understand what kind of game evrima is, maybe because it’s one of a kind?

maybe it’s difficult for mostly FPS players to understand the concept of survival, not pvp deathmatch..

[woeful latch]

oh yeah, probably the reason dondi wasn’t mean..

[wooden agate]

when you literally created a genre of game, you are the first to set the standards,

and when the genre you created inherently takes some parts from other genres (such as the PVP), youre going to have fans of that genre view it as only PVP instead of what it actually is

[midnight heath]

That was my guess, all of the people on that stream were so disingenuous

[latent olive]

there were quite a few people/comments post-stream that talked about how ACTUALLY chill dondi was, and that a lot of the "wow hes such a raging angry guy" things were overblown

[woeful latch]

pretty much, yeah, but still, it’s honestly wild they can’t understand that cera absolutely should get destroyed by stego, it’s just such basic logic… if thing is slower and heavier then it has to have an advantage..

it’s just so obvious

[gaunt mica]

There are other dino games out there with the same concept. Its not really unique but it does have its own spin on what it key word "wants" to be. Is it a survival game? sure. It has aspects of a survival game but to say the game isnt a pvp game is straight wrong. It wouldnt even have half the playerbase it has if you couldnt kill eachother

[midnight heath]

Name 3

[latent olive]

path of bermudas

beasts of titans

the beastmuda

[wooden agate]

path of titans is more MMO, BOB is straight up an arcade class fighter mixed with a survival game

theres uhhh beasts of 9500 i guess

[latent olive]

easy sneezy give me another one

[midnight heath]

You're so right, those are just the Isle with different paints

[latent olive]

https://tenor.com/view/escaping-viralhog-running-away-alligator-dog-gif-5505778881982044165

[wooden agate]

speaking of POT, my god when did they get demon ai

[woeful latch]

wild. i fear once the game becomes popular, this community will get infested by thousands of fps gamers, its going to be a nightmare

[wooden agate]

i just saw an AI almost take out a FG rex the other day and i just sat there like wat

[midnight heath]

The people who want PVP really should just go to BoB

[latent olive]

FPS players?

nay

when humans arrive, itll be those survival players, the ones from rust and dayz

[woeful latch]

hmm not really, i wouldn’t say that, there’s other dino games, but evrima is pretty much the only dino survival

[midnight heath]

I am genuinely excited for humans

[woeful latch]

the rest are more arcade?

like BOB is just pvp game, POT is idk really, but definitely not survival

[gaunt mica]

path of titans

[woeful latch]

ahahah….

help..

[midnight heath]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-joke-gif-7319521

[woeful latch]

yeah it’s not survival, sorry.. collect 32 acorns

[latent olive]

path of titans could come out with an update tomorrow removing hunger and dehydration and genuinely noone would care

[woeful latch]

lmao

[wooden agate]

PVP is a big part of the game, thats objective. and its naturally going to pull in those players that appreciate that genre, but that does not exactly mean that its a PVP game. having PVP elements does not = PVP genre, otherwise like 99% of games would be in the PVP genre (minecraft lol)

[latent olive]

its not a survival game whatsoever because theres zero survival difficulty

[gaunt mica]

its the exact same concept but with questing. You survive and grow to adult then pvp

theres another one on steam but i forget its name but its trash compared to isle

[gaunt mica]

same could be said about the isle

i never struggle to grow to a full adult

[midnight heath]

I agree, my argument was mostly that BoB encourages PVP via hunt points and actually wants everything to be able to kill everything via the talent tree.

[barren crater]

Or wait for mods tbh

[latent olive]

theres not enough difficulty

[midnight heath]

No, give it to me now or BAD GAME

[midnight heath]

Agreed

Give me illnesses

[wooden agate]

i still want droughts

[midnight heath]

Weather would be sick in general

[barren crater]

PvE events 🤤

[wooden agate]

also i think the lack of an endgoal in game makes survival seem a bit more easy than it actually is

[gaunt mica]

beasts of bermuda thats the one i was thinking of also

same concept again but 1000x worse than envirma

[midnight heath]

I cast swarm of 20 unkillable black birds 🪄

[wooden agate]

because survival right now is just getting to FG, theres no loop

once you have that game loop and surivival becomes essential for getting the most out of the game, players will likely become far more cautious with what they do, when they do it, where they do it

[midnight heath]

I'm so excited to get old and die

[wooden agate]

elders/seniors come to me

[midnight heath]

I do wish the cannibal thing made you just shake and spasm like the zombie models did rather than the albino thing.

[wooden agate]

i like the albino simply because old legacy callback

[midnight heath]

I know it's a bigger warning with them being albino but it's a bit funky. I would have liked nesting mutations.

[wooden agate]

im going to cough it up to lore or something

[midnight heath]

Blinded by your nostalgia

[wooden agate]

true

but only for albino

i dont particuarly like much else about legacy except for its enviormental assets

temperate map..,.,., oughhh

[gaunt mica]

more dinos is the only good thing

[midnight heath]

Those redwoods make me feel all fuzzy I won't lie

[wooden agate]

eh, even those are kinda sad. evrima has more survival animals now, and i never really counted the sandbox animals in legacy due to the fact they were unfinished. it would be like saying allo counts towards the evrima roster right now because its in skin creator

half of the sandbox animals couldnt even sniff or nest

[midnight heath]

Theri

[wooden agate]

nor did they have juvie models, or balanced for the survival roster alongside having no skin creator/old outdated models

[normal shuttle]

the 650kg 52kph omni with 8 mutations that grew in less than 2 hours:

[wooden agate]

theri has this bug as juvie where it uses the old eating animation where you'd have to press E several times to eat

so it reaches up, and then stops. BUT IT KEEPS EATING MECHANICALLY

i genuinely thought i just couldnt eat bushes for the longest time as juvie theri

[woeful latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1231800415570493513.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=wavefutsuperskull

[midnight heath]

You will STARVE

[junior nymph]

evrima has more dinos now I think

[woeful latch]

eat grass and meow

[midnight heath]

I'm stealing that skull GIF

[normal shuttle]

so balanced amirite

also guys

[wooden agate]

like i genuinely asked one of my friends to log on and walk to where my juvie theri was and place a nest so i could eat

I WAS IN GREAT FALLS. THERE WERE BUSHES EVERYWHERE. I WAS STARVING IN A BUFFET

[normal shuttle]

wanna see some values that I found that I believe were datamined even if they weren't final?

[wooden agate]

legacy you will never recieve praise from me

[woeful latch]

i really hope they won’t change speed for elders.. it’s gonna be so unbalanced no matter how hard it is to become elder

[wooden agate]

is it 4.8 ton maia

[woeful latch]

i want to see teno

[normal shuttle]

yes...

[wooden agate]

[normal shuttle]

wish there was 10 ton para

[woeful latch]

it was 2.4t last time i checked i think

[normal shuttle]

13t deino too

[wooden agate]

if elders are how i imagine them to be, i doubt you'll be logging on and seeing multiple elders every day

elders, especially prime elders, should be relatively rare imo

[junior nymph]

facts

[midnight heath]

I feel that way about adult apexes too

[woeful latch]

yeah

[normal shuttle]

In my HUMBLE opinion, if they are going to give permanent benefits, I think that at the very least natural death should occur after 4 times the growth time it took you

So for instance you gotta survive for like 4-5 hours as troo

[wooden agate]

i think people imagine packs of elder omnis running around but i just cant imagine it will be that stupidly easy to achieve prime elder

[woeful latch]

but they need to do something with afk growing first

maybe force to go to patrol zones

since kissen said there won’t always be food there

[normal shuttle]

obv, but imo something like a rex elder should take like 40 hours at least on a very good diet

[woeful latch]

so probably something elder related perhaaaps

[junior nymph]

guys hot take

[heady geode]

Certainly not 6% after adult easy, I hope people aren’t spreading that elder Omni as not a bug lol

[junior nymph]

patrols should be removed

[woeful latch]

sounds fair

[barren crater]

[woeful latch]

hmm i disagree for personal reasons..

[barren crater]

You could just make them rare

[normal shuttle]

well sorry, correction, not PEAK ELDER, but rather natural death

i think 11 ton rex in 25 hours or so is fair

[wooden agate]

i like patrols and i like having the freedom of being able to go where i want without risk of starvation, but they desperately need more than just being mini personal MZ's

[junior nymph]

and make BIG GAME TRAILS that go across the map with food on them which go through migrations. this could intern make herbivores food drain a wee bit faster since they eat plants and you know plants

[heady geode]

Migrations fixed and deal, I suffered a bugged highlands migration for 2 hours today, wouldn’t spawn food, wouldn’t move, my diet was stuck as highlands trash

[barren crater]

But rn they make migrations redundant

[wooden agate]

well atleast you could find S pretty much anywhere

[woeful latch]

do we have any idea what’s the difference between elder and prime elder?

[wooden agate]

fireweed is stupidly common

[normal shuttle]

yes

[midnight heath]

People saying that herbivores need to compete more have never gone to an MZ with few too many hungry herbivores

[heady geode]

Not even that!!! Beipi highlands diet doesn’t contain The Red Bush

[wooden agate]

red bush is river delta only iirc?

just like purple bush is highlands only

[junior nymph]

crimson appolen Ktrifoliun

[heady geode]

Idk the darn names lmao, I don’t herbi enough

But whatever highlands diet was for beipi, garbage and nightmare fuel

[wooden agate]

beipi in live has a really cool bug where it just loses all its diets

even the staples that shouldnt be disappearing, like fish and crab

[normal shuttle]

simply put for you, Cheesy, they want elder system to be like this:

Most normal people go from juvi to adult, and then to a senior before dying

However, doing certain things in your lifetime, you will grow stronger and become an elder at some point. This elder has a peak, but it will then start growing weaker and become a senior and eventually die as well, but you will also get the benefits

@woeful latch so peak elder is like that conceptual point before you start getting weak

[heady geode]

Can’t make a bird go into the middle of the eastern highlands and expect it to live

[wooden agate]

though i havent experienced it in a while

[midnight heath]

I wish we had more fliers and full aquatics planned but I understand that requires a lot more work.

[normal shuttle]

red bush in swamps...

[heady geode]

Neither, crab always remained, but after 2 hours never got a delta diet back

[barren crater]

Elder Teno 🤤

[normal shuttle]

there's barely any carbs in the swamp

[normal shuttle]

Elder Cera

[barren crater]

Can you imagine elders losing speed lol

[junior nymph]

elder me

[heady geode]

Elder carno is just Spiro carno

Weep, he has returned

[barren crater]

Peak

[heady geode]

1.8t Carno with zero length charge

[woeful latch]

ahhh alright now i see, well i HOPE there’s gonna be a way to stay prime elder if you don’t want to die, maybe by doing certain activities

[barren crater]

Max paleo size elder Carno 🤤

[heady geode]

Yoooo, 2.3t Carno?

[woeful latch]

1.5

[heady geode]

Allo shivering rn gadam

[normal shuttle]

I'm sorry, but insane turd carno growth 😭

Hoping this is plain misinfo

[limber hull]

Def placeholder ngl

[woeful latch]

yeah

[normal shuttle]

yeah absolutely

also 13t deino. No way they are letting stegos die like that

[limber hull]

Elders, imho, should individually improve unique elements of the dinosaur without making them a steamroll on others of their kind

Because that's objectively not that fun

[normal shuttle]

yeah, like 11 TON PARA

[woeful latch]

i agree, and imo the speed is the most important part, they should not change the speed..

[heady geode]

Lmao , elder hypsi, what a monster

[barren crater]

So faster elder Carno 😁

[woeful latch]

maybe for carno and galli, but not for the rest and even then idk if those need the speed buff

[junior nymph]

10kg

[normal shuttle]

wouldn't mind 55kph elder carno

is reasonable

[barren crater]

[normal shuttle]

elder rex...

[limber hull]

Hmmm

Honestly, maybe. Hear me out

Carno elder is bigger, faster and such, but loses out on stamina and charge speed. So an adult carno has a way to burst itself away from said threat and live

[woeful latch]

dear god.. no!

[torpid meteor]

i have a question why is the world is herbs so hard up to kill EVERYTHING that moves tonight in na 2 west ?

[barren crater]

😳

[wooden agate]

elder troodon being like 20 pounds heavier is so funny to me

[normal shuttle]

elder rex...losing the ambush but growing a little quieter as it is more experienced

[torpid meteor]

they are literally just running circles around south plains just killing everything

[normal shuttle]

40 pounds

still laughable

[barren crater]

Because it’s fun for them

[wooden agate]

im bad at the metric system

i have this condition called american

[torpid meteor]

how is it fun to kill something that is not fighting back?

[woeful latch]

hmm, idk about that

[heady geode]

Herbivore behaviour

[wooden agate]

ask hippos

[normal shuttle]

come on, RAWRRIE

[heady geode]

A sub category of this is stego behaviour

[barren crater]

Ask them.

[woeful latch]

i wonder how elder trike will sound

[barren crater]

Depends on what you’re playing tbf

[torpid meteor]

im not a herb i cant ask them...lol

[normal shuttle]

if they react it is very funny

[woeful latch]

😭 (i hate ambush in general tbh)

[limber hull]

Honestly, here's a massive hot take, but have elder troodon's damage multiply the venom multiplier

So what would be a 4x damage boost would be a 6x for an elder troodon

[normal shuttle]

yeah, so take away elder rex ambush so only the best rex players get to go nuclear on someone as hyper rex

[normal shuttle]

give dilo faster clone charge reload

[woeful latch]

hmmm

[woeful latch]

NO DEAR GOD NOOOOOOOOOO

dilo killing rex with one bite when?👹

[woven bane]

too much

[limber hull]

hypothetical numbers

[midnight heath]

Do we have an elder Troodon model yet?

[limber hull]

I believe we do

[woeful latch]

idk, i didn’t see it

we got shant somehow LOL

[midnight heath]

I'm actively looking in the history to see

[woeful latch]

out of all the things

[limber hull]

We got elder cama too lol

[wooden agate]

we do

i dont have it on hand but i vividly remember it

[woeful latch]

i really like elder trike, it’s SOOO GOOD

[wooden agate]

its just a bit thicker than normal troodon tbh

[midnight heath]

I only found this and no Troodon

[woeful latch]

found this, looks like regular troodon lol

[midnight heath]

[woeful latch]

probably because it is just regular troodon ahah

[midnight heath]

[normal shuttle]

Guys hear me out:

All elders get some boost to their stats although depends on the dino, but then they get different skills or adjustments to enhance their gameplay

Para: MEATIER and potentially better sound attack in exchange of being a little slower
Carno: faster or significantly more speed with the charge but more stam drain
Troodon: maybe some last red venom stage where it does more damage
Pachy: alt attack can fracture and can hold ram for as long as it likes
Cera: A lot more stability with the charged bite but bigger slowdown

FOR EXAMPLE

[limber hull]

im just worried about raptor pinning pachy

[normal shuttle]

same

but omni is so bad and needs buffing bro

[limber hull]

HONESTLY, at this point, GIVE PACHY ANTI-POUNCE TECH

[normal shuttle]

"Just avoid omnis and run from them"

[woven bane]

the omni hive-mind will find a way to justify it

[normal shuttle]

Hard code pachy to not be pinnable by one

[limber hull]

Nah if its small enough, pin it

[woeful latch]

the dilo too tbh, not like it can do anything

[normal shuttle]

well sure, threshold

[woeful latch]

slowly z walk while getting absolutely destroyed

[normal shuttle]

but for example make a 400kg pachy power through an elder omni pin

not a 300kg one tho

[woeful latch]

i actually kicked elder omnis ass as a 60% pachy few days ago

[normal shuttle]

yesterday I had an argument in Metta's server and it's insane how some people with so much experience are okay with it

[woeful latch]

i decided to not kill it, it was helpless and scared

but i think fresh spawn trike came and murdered it lol

[normal shuttle]

I guess that it is a non issue to have a playable with a 100-0 matchup against everything lighter or itself

since it doesn't affect me if I play cera and teno

[woeful latch]

give everyone anti pounce tech…

[normal shuttle]

I'm betting ANYTHING that austro, mono and rugops are gonna have the same issue with omnis

Maybe not austro since it would get crazy retaliation

but it's gonna be so fun to play rugops or mono with omnis around

[woven bane]

i’ve been advocating for the pin mechanic to be less oppressive since day 1, people are somehow okay with it lol

if i encounter an omni i should just hold out my hand like owen grady so it dosen’t attack!!!

[normal shuttle]

again

"It's not my problem, so I don't care- in fact, I don't want it to be fixed or addressed"

[midnight heath]

I just think everything should fight back to some extent so that Omni at least has to consider that.

[normal shuttle]

I don't care herra is an ambush hunter, it should be able to perfectly fight off a 190kg omni pinning it

[woeful latch]

make it so pin only works if omni ambushes something from behind

[normal shuttle]

or hypsi with a fresh spawn

[woeful latch]

and then it’s fair imo

[midnight heath]

People would hate that, they already hate that you can only pounce 3/4 of angles

[woeful latch]

ahah

i remember when it was just 2/4

[midnight heath]

Dive straight into that Stego tail, it makes a lot of sense

[normal shuttle]

lol

[woeful latch]

i hate that omni can ignore my tail slam, fly through it and pounce me

[normal shuttle]

I'm gonna play bary and kentro a lot not only because they are interesting

[woeful latch]

yeah

[normal shuttle]

but to spite on omnis too

If sub kentro dies to an omni I'm gonna be SO angry

pouncing at my tail

[woven bane]

imagine grinding for an elder just to get 1 tapped by an omni (you were 0.1 nanograms lighter so its only fair).

[woeful latch]

it’s so hard to tell who’s who, i think i need my car pfp back

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232185340425404427/1347302824517701652/cheesy-ezgif.com-added-text.gif

[normal shuttle]

and imagine that you were a pachy 1kg lighter than elder omni and you should be capable of fighting against your weight class

"Just be stealthy and avoid all omnis bro"

[woeful latch]

yeah just hide in a bush for hours!

and pray they won’t find you

[woven bane]

avoid omnis at all cost as if they are the grim reaper of death

[normal shuttle]

so interesting and fun

insane how brainwashed many people are about it

[midnight heath]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-evrima-the-isle-evrima-omniraptor-utahraptor-gif-1753601368928420624

[woeful latch]

LOL

[normal shuttle]

it is factual

so good

mark my words

teno, carno and cera players will cry about pinning when it affects them with allo

[woven bane]

maybe then something will be done to change how that mechanic works

[normal shuttle]

maybe

[woven bane]

can only hope

[normal shuttle]

when the meta slaves start whining

while tiny tier enjoyers have been suffering for so long

[woeful latch]

hopefully

if allo can pin i hope it’s somehow connected to its ||murder sprint||

[normal shuttle]

@ashen ocean just don't button mash and respect the cooldowns

in fact it's good that trikes and dibbles now cannot button mash

[woeful latch]

i don’t honestly like the double click idea, with the game being so laggy and “desyncy” it’s just ehh.. idk

they can do it some other way, maybe alt+key

or actually just do 3 clicks to avoid accidents, dondi commented on that lmao

[ashen ocean]

have you actually played that?

cause that was my opinion prior too

[normal shuttle]

I play trike a lot in ht yes

[ashen ocean]

but reality is different
you dont always know if you started attacking due to being hit and animation clutter
so you click again to be sure you started doing what you want
also, when your attack cd goes down you not always click it perfectly so you d be better just clicking few times to hit it 100%

[normal shuttle]

git

[ashen ocean]

there is many ways about it
you shouldnt drain functionality of one attack to get another
keyboard is big they can do sth with other keys

[normal shuttle]

gud

[ashen ocean]

i was aout to say that
if you think that split milisecond doesnt matter

[barren crater]

Bro …

[ashen ocean]

then its skill issue

if you wanna play suboptimal then its your choice
but skill issue

[normal shuttle]

or make it 3 clicks

clickity click

[ashen ocean]

i dont know, i feel like i m talking to non gamer, so im out

[barren crater]

If it’s clunky, it’s clunky. Inputs should be smooth

[limber hull]

imho, here's my hot take, add a "down alt" that does that

makes it exceptionally intentional

[normal shuttle]

I hate having more button attack options

[ashen ocean]

skill issue
literally

[normal shuttle]

I don't want more than like 3 attack keys

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message they should not consider this

[ashen ocean]

lets not be toxic, so ill see myself out

[junior nymph]

if its going to be for anything make it teno

[normal shuttle]

Well I don't get locked in place as trike

[limber hull]

thats not the problem tho

[barren crater]

Imagine a world with both options

[limber hull]

just have "alt down" be an option

genuinely would fix a lot imho

[junior nymph]

alt down?

[normal shuttle]

there must be tragedy

[junior nymph]

like a look down thing for bodies?

[limber hull]

like that, but an alt attack

[barren crater]

I’ve wanted diving cera and teno for the longest

No real reason

Would just be cool

[normal shuttle]

I want diving sucho...

[ashen ocean]

can you tell me where dondi said it?
i mean here in dc somewhere or maybe hopefully on twitch/yt?
finding dondi here is impossible...

[barren crater]

Diving sucho…

Not the worst although

Deino…

[lilac bolt]

on stream yeah

[ashen ocean]

his? or somewhere else

[woeful latch]

you can change that in settings, so for example you can use teno tail slam without holding an alt, you just bind it to key you want

[limber hull]

nah

[lilac bolt]

yeah

[limber hull]

honestly not a big fan of diving sucho

[urban flax]

I want sucho to dive, just to cement it as a semiaquatic, not because it should have much use of it

[urban flax]

Think of juvies

[limber hull]

nah, hear me out on the juvi situation

[woeful latch]

what about bary?

[normal shuttle]

bary should

[woeful latch]

imo sucho should at least be able to see underwater, i don’t really mind it not being able to dive

[limber hull]

you know that stupid animation of allo carrying its baby?

give that to sucho.

Water too deep? Carried over

Need to get to a new spot? Carried

Too much mud? Carried

It's like the allo idea but good

[normal shuttle]

I mean, what escape tool does sucho have? Or any movement advantage at all outside of mud? The shallow water thing is barely a thing

[limber hull]

bary's a diver

[urban flax]

What if I need to drown the baby

[woeful latch]

rip tedonosaurus

[urban flax]

I don't think sucho should be good at diving
I just don't really see a reason for it to not dive at all

[woeful latch]

god i hope bary is gonna be 1.6t

[normal shuttle]

I want to think they will have an even matchup at least on land, but obv teno should be faster since bary is gonna get alt attacks, diving and all that stuff underwater

[urban flax]

Oh everyone's getting into the Isle skull pfp trend

[normal shuttle]

carnivore teno

[urban flax]

Maybe I should make my own

[woeful latch]

eheheheh

[woven bane]

1.4T bary

[normal shuttle]

carch????

[woeful latch]

BOO

[normal shuttle]

no

[urban flax]

Most likely a human skull eating... something
Idk what
A donut maybe

[normal shuttle]

good

[woven bane]

smaller bary>>>

[normal shuttle]

why smaller

it should dunk on every land carni we have rn

[lilac bolt]

^

[woven bane]

can’t tell if you’re satire

[woeful latch]

hmm, i honestly disagree here, i think they should both swim with the same speed, or bary like 0.1km/h faster so teno cant hide in water from king of the pond

but i agree with the even matchup on land, that would be amazing

[urban flax]

1.4 ton is WAAAAAAAAAY too big
It's beyond ridiculous at this point, I don't even have words
Bary should be 1.39 ton

[woeful latch]

BOO

[jade spruce]

Tell me how having walls and gates covering paths makes anything easier to traverse for anything but a flyer? How many low level water crossing juctions does this map have to cross rivers without worrying about hidden deinos? How many rivers continue through instead of ending in a 500 ft waterfall? How many of the zones that are supposed to have benefits for herd actually have food and water are actually fun to play at? They chose to get rid of organic player interaction by forcing us to follow the paths they want us to follow instead of the paths we want to make. This is a game. It's meant to be fun, not a 3rd job.

[normal shuttle]

why would I be? It's a bary, why would it be bad to make bary 1.6t if it is defensively geared, subpar in land compared to most theropods, and on top of that it also can't do much to deino alone?

[urban flax]

If you think a good map means a map that is solely a huge grassy plain with food and water available everywhere and no features, no wonder you liked spiro

But even this one didn't deliver in that department
Hidden cliffs ? 60% of the map being inaccessible jungle ? More hidden cliffs ? Is that all forgotten ?

[limber hull]

funnily enough, Spiro did this, INFINITELY worse

Gateway provides safe paths to provide easy transit free of obstacles. Spiro had paths that lead to cliffs, off cliffs, cliffs hidden by bushes, etc

[normal shuttle]

dont forget the legendary biome variety especially in the early days

All super dense jungle except for that one micro swamp

[normal shuttle]

mfw spiro did have barely any actual safe path to get through obstacles or any bridges

You had to risk your life crossing center river or just go around the entire thing

at least delta has bridges and more shallows

and water access has a peak layout. More thought and effort put into it than spiro

[jade spruce]

Not even going to entertain this with a thoughtful response, because youve obviously not spent any significant amount of time on spiro if thats your opinion.

[junior nymph]

he did lol

[normal shuttle]

Wave has played in spiro for like 2000 hours of the 6000 he has lmao

what are you talking about

(I made this up)

[junior nymph]

nahhhh

[normal shuttle]

true

I spoke the truth

anyways, when are all isle glazers playing together in an official

[woven bane]

real

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message just noticed this

[woeful latch]

LMAO

[junior nymph]

I love people like this

[normal shuttle]

the tenontosaurus of wisdom and truth nodded

[woeful latch]

we should all play as giant teno pack and harass the server

[normal shuttle]

being willing to pay in order to skip the average official server 7 member queue is next level desperation

[normal shuttle]

filthy herbivore kos mixpack

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/dondi-pizza-dondi-pizza-the-isle-the-isle-diets-gif-27333835

[junior nymph]

I want pizza now

[woeful latch]

sorry..

[minor field]

Anything for more profit

[woeful latch]

sorry, cera pack👹👹👹👹👹👹

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/kaperoo-the-isle-tenontosaurus-evrima-gif-12922661305927034361

tenontosaurus but not scary and very incompetent

[junior nymph]

teno twerk

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/theisle-utah-utahraptor-gif-22957573

[woeful latch]

WHY

[normal shuttle]

tenontosaurus but scary and competent

[junior nymph]

[woeful latch]

tenontosaurus is the isle

[normal shuttle]

also the caps bro could pay for D pattern

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/raptors-jurassic-fight-club-gif-17281611

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message gambling when deino ambushes you, absolute cinema

a teno gambling to escape from a deino that snatched it...

So, if it doesn't work in your favor then it's unfair for you but then if you break free the deino has to accept it?

[normal shuttle]

popular slop theropod

hoping that utah isn't a pouncer

so the true UTAHRAPTOR and the true AUSTRORAPTOR can be united in the peak once more, like in the old golden times

[woeful latch]

utahraptor (elder omni niche)

[woeful latch]

REAL REAL

[minor field]

Same, most pouncers/pinners have been absolutely miserable so far with the exception of Troodon, and that’s because that thing gets countered by like everything

[frank tapir]

how do you guys get the isle skull pfps? do you just photoshop it? where do you get the dino skulls from?

[minor field]

I say most even though we’ve gotten two but like

Can it really be that much better

[normal shuttle]

Omniraptor/modern legacy Utah (impersonator of peak raptor niche)

I don't care what peoeple say, old utah was good and not cringe

it started being cringe in survival

and then rebranded to sloppy omni

[minor field]

Like you can’t tell me allo is gonna be any less miserable than Omni will

[normal shuttle]

utah and austro must reunite and be peak

[minor field]

If I’m proven wrong I’ll be happy

[normal shuttle]

we will see. The only reason I'm looking forward to allo is because I know for a fact that the other four are coming afterwards:

Austro, Bary, Kentro and Para. Amazing lineup

[woeful latch]

at the same time i’m glad we got omniraptor, because now we can get accurate feathered utah and that’s awesome

[woeful latch]

real

especially the bary, i’m most excited for that beast in particular

[normal shuttle]

mhm

there's this weird thing I have

that I love herbivores and omnivores

and I think most carnis are mid unless they are small

but then there's semi aquatics and rex, which I adore

Carno? meh to me. Dilo? Cringe. Cera? Popular ceratorex slop

But then bary, austro and spino are peak

[minor field]

True indeed, I just hope more progress is made so we can get to these ones and the other playables I care about a lot

[normal shuttle]

austro mogs allo

[limber hull]

ive been playing since Update 3, when that map was first made the way it was up to 6.5

it is, in my honest opinion, one of the worst maps in the history of The Isle, tied with V3

[normal shuttle]

what are your thoughts on thenyaw and v2?

[limber hull]

thenyaw is... fine

i haven't spent enough time on V2 to have any form of actual opinion on it

[minor field]

I shall never forget that time when I first started playing where I went down this little rocky area thinking it was the entrance to the deino cave

And then got my teno stuck in a tiny little cave the size of maybe one omni, good times

[normal shuttle]

and legacy's test level?

[minor field]

Don’t ask why I was tryna get to deino cave as teno, was very new at the time

[limber hull]

one of the levels of all time

[normal shuttle]

deathmatch warzone niche

[minor field]

I have like, very foggy memories of it, was very young when I played on it so I can’t say anything either, just remember loving the game because it was very whimsical to me at the time

[normal shuttle]

when I first played the game, it was progression

And I did get ran down and killed by a spino as velo. Thought the swift thief would outrun the giant duck

and then I died of thirst a few times, before unlocking herrera

And then thinking carnivores are mega cringe and so I switched to herbis

[minor field]

I think I exclusively played carnis when I started playing and then discovered that I quite liked the larger herbis and kept playing those

[normal shuttle]

progression theri my beloved

[minor field]

I miss playing cama when it was much bigger

Before it got shrunk down to around the size of shant

[limber hull]

im tired of people going "well you just didnt play it" to me when i talk about how much i despise spiro. i hate spiro because it made me literally want to not play this game

[minor field]

I don’t hate spiro, but it’s a bad map for sure. I have fond memories of it but the map just wasn’t super great.

[normal shuttle]

I disliked spiro because it was mid as hell visually and mechanically

[jade spruce]

I stopped playing just before V3 so my opinions are set. I didn't even get to see the last spiro update... In my real opinion they should have set mapmaking aside for a bit and fill the roster back to legacy standards since their recode took so damn long

[normal shuttle]

Zenny is a slop eating piggy

[limber hull]

I liked what I did on Spiro. The map isn't that great

It actively discourages exploration and movement

The only reason it's "easier to traverse" is because you avoid every spot that is just 95% hidden cliffs

[minor field]

Legacy roster standards really aren’t anything. Most creatures were the same with different stats, they’re nothing like what we have in evrima. In evrima we practically have a legacy sized roster because each creature is unique in some way despite there being less of them. Quality over quantity.

[limber hull]

On Gateway, I can follow a path and it will lead me to a place

[urban flax]

So what should their mapper have been doing in the meantime ?

[limber hull]

On Spiro, I can follow a path, and I'll probably be lead to a cliff and die

[jade spruce]

They had multiple maps already, Spiro being the more heavily updated.

wronrg reply

[minor field]

Yeah you just can’t explore past the center of the map because there’s no point. It’s either:

A. Completely barren and not worth going to

B. Too dangerous to reasonably traverse

Or both of these. Usually both.

[jade spruce]

On spiro, if you know how to use the scent system and actually remembered the map.. you could go anywhere.. sounds like you just didnt learn the map well enough.

[normal shuttle]

legacy standards are:
-Adding multiple playables sometimes with overlapping roles, for they all have the same controls and one attack, their only differences are stats and looks
-Reusing assets such as cera when it came out or alberto until today
-Null work on unique abilities

Quantity over quality, and without a quality of its own

mass produced slop

and in evrima they have been doing things right

[minor field]

You couldn’t go anywhere though. You only had a small part of the map that actually made sense to go. There were large chunks of the map that you just couldn’t go to because either nobody was there or it was a death sentence to traverse.

[desert arch]

Spiro swamp honestly being the best looking part of the map, but always being dead as heck was so sad

[jade spruce]

Legacy would have been fine if dondi didnt fire the only code to keep his seceretr.. lol

[limber hull]

i literally know the entire map

it is imprinted into my brain

3 years of that map has drilled it well into my mind

[normal shuttle]

it's all like pot

"MORE DINOSAURS!!!!" yet they all have the same animations/rig and abilities, just with some stat changes and having a nice cover

[normal shuttle]

that is unfounded

[jade spruce]

then how are you always at acliff? if you know where to goo, avoid it!

[lilac bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-modern-warfare2-stare-meme-2022-gif-27104713

[normal shuttle]

well not really, more so founded on terrible sources

Zenny did not make a scientific research

nor is he a detective when asking in random forums

[minor field]

Sure, but the entire map wasn’t worth exploring anyways. Why explore at all when you’ll just get punished for it.

[urban flax]

"Knowing Spiro" = Knowing how to go to center plains

[normal shuttle]

^

[jade spruce]

No, moreso knowing how to read the river bends with scent and follow it..

[normal shuttle]

mfw the fun and engaging exploration involves having to get AROUND rivers and jungles because of the hidden cliffs anywhere and the ass waterways plagued with deinos

[limber hull]

legacy would be fine if it weren't for the insane spaghetti code from a man who is well documented to obliterate every single project he touches with said code

[stuck imp]

one of two river bends

[urban flax]

You don't need scent to locate the one (1) river on Spiro

[normal shuttle]

he watched the zenny vid, red alert

[limber hull]

because the map is 95% cliff lmao

[normal shuttle]

this is literally something he says

[stuck imp]

The Isle - The Worst Game In Early Access (and I can prove it) !!!!!!

[jade spruce]

you mean the guy who went to deveop a direct competitor within 3 years, and has arguably the more stable game? lol

[urban flax]

It was literally a square surrounding the only playable area
Just walk in any direction and you reach it
Unless you end up in the barren inescapable dry part surrounded by cliffs

[urban flax]

Yes
That guy who made a copy of legacy made out of pure Isle hate

[minor field]

It was the perfect arena for deathmatch, nothing more really

[jade spruce]

Its eithaer all cliffs are all grassland plaines, you cant die on both hills at once.

[normal shuttle]

1. It's not a direct competitor
2. Already had the coding which is one of the biggest development bottlenecks in a game
3. All of the playables are mass produced slop with zero uniqueness

[minor field]

Okay here

The entire reasonably playable area was grasslands

The entire area outside of the reasonably playable area was mostly cliffs.

[jade spruce]

Is a direct competitor in the dino survival genre,

[limber hull]

what?

[normal shuttle]

Jack Horner would approve U3 Isla Spiro, would force Rex to scavenge in center plains

[minor field]

Complete with one swamp and a chasm that were occasionally populated

[limber hull]

Anyways
https://youtu.be/HX6yMAFcDcY?si=D61a-J4KhjpZaE8d

[normal shuttle]

One is a MMO and the other a permadeath hardcore survival game. They have nothing in common other than playing as a dinosaur and not dying

[normal shuttle]

[jade spruce]

A permadeath survival game.. well color me impressed, you know some things. Too bad Alderon has been woring on official gamemodes for permadeath and timed grow recently..

[limber hull]

I played Archotek Project as a gag

That game is... Not operational. At all

[limber hull]

Good for them but it's still not the same, nor will it ever be, as The Isle

[normal shuttle]

it will never be the same as The Isle nor the wholesale, meaning that they cater to different crowds. So "direct competitor" is not really true

[jade spruce]

Yep, because the isle will never be complete. Even with a new engine, more staff, and their own code they wont be able to finish the game before it dies out. Im surprised they can even afford servers at this point. Games been in EA for a decade.

[normal shuttle]

LMAOOOO

[limber hull]

Based on... What evidence?

[stuck imp]

he's true.... it's all over.

[jade spruce]

In the time since we got evrima, we have gottent the slowest trickle of updates. The devs will more than likely die of old age before implementing anything significant at the rate theyre going.

[lilac bolt]

what?

[urban flax]

funni

[normal shuttle]

Do you think the game is dying out? All I see is that The Isle is more popular than ever right now, it has increased in popularity and there's no reason to think it will keep doing so. They can afford servers because they have people playing regularly for an indie game, and the game's actual and prosperous version is not even 5 years old, younger than ARK who started selling DLCs in early access...

[limber hull]

"anything significant"

what exactly is "anything significant" if not most of EVRIMA's additions

[latent olive]

me standing on the road that’s being built/has been built going “you know, this really isn’t anything significant”

[normal shuttle]

Meanwhile PoT: copies Isle cerato and with like one extra animation

[limber hull]

well, no, Isle Cerato has more animations lmao

[jade spruce]

The fact is.. a 10 year development cycle for something in this simple of a scope is truly the height of incompetence. It doesnt matter how many versions there are. Theyre all the isle. theyre all by afterthought, and all of them were at one point "the vision"..

[limber hull]

"simple scope"

[urban flax]

This SIMPLE of a scope ??
What's a game with a complex scope to you ?

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do you

do you know what the game's scope is or are you being dense on purpose

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yeah sorry, I meant one compared to THEIR cerato

[urban flax]

What PoT has 2 ceratos ?

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they reworked their cera to be a bully corpse scavenger

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they rehashed their cera and gave it corpse bully and BACTERIA bite

or like charged bite

[urban flax]

Original idea

[normal shuttle]

which is hysterical to me

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they had the initial ceratosaurus which was just bite and run carnivore number 424

then they just like

copied the isle’s ceratosaurus

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incredulous

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competitor

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The Isle is a game so terrible its "competitor" that has been doing SO MUCH BETTER OH MY GOD WOWIE needs to copy it

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isle so bad thats why it keeps going up in player numbers and content creators

god forbid i say this, but perhaps The Isle grabs the fantasy of "being part of a big cool dino ecosystem" better than the MMO with quests, skill trees and low stakes

also the combat in PoT lmao

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Once the player numbers stop increasing the game will die out you'll see