general-feedback-discussion

[compact sequoia]

said who?

[limber hull]

devs

[normal shuttle]

me

[limber hull]

like i'mma be real idk how it's unique at all

[vernal ermine]

yessss

[limber hull]

it has a cool animation on instakill i guess but otherwise it works like any other pin

[vernal ermine]

carno sparring would be cool but tbh idgaf about carno

[limber hull]

it's the same mechanic with cool flair

[gritty kernel]

I really don't think it'd change cera vs carno that much, but i'd still be happy if they just made the model bigger without changing the weight

[limber hull]

then it'd be styrofoam lol

the isle is pretty good with making things look the weight they are

[compact sequoia]

did they reduce the size of the carno in ht

?

[limber hull]

(i know someone who is ISNANELY into making sure of that lol)

[limber hull]

no?

it's still the same weight lol

[vernal ermine]

a dev?

[gritty kernel]

no thats just the size of 1.3T carno

[normal shuttle]

Give spino a DS-like parry (no critical hit afterwards though) so it can uno reverse attackers

[limber hull]

nah, not a dev, someone who knows A LOT about biomechanics and all that stuff and is able to accurately measure the models to make sure they're around the weight they appear

it's scary stuff idk how he does it

i dont have the capacity to get HOW he does it

[compact sequoia]

it looks like a chicken

[limber hull]

it'd look like a chicken regardless of how big it is lol

big chicken vs small chicken who cares

[gritty kernel]

tbf 1.8 carno is a chicken with big boots on but it looks better

[vernal ermine]

delete carno

[compact sequoia]

delete carno

[limber hull]

nah, i like carno now

[compact sequoia]

and deino

not make joke of this dinos in game

[limber hull]

it's actually fun if you care about gameplay rather than numbers on a screen

[compact sequoia]

really bad playable

[compact sequoia]

i am sure you dont play carno in official

[limber hull]

i literally only play on officials

[vernal ermine]

why lol do u hate yourself

[limber hull]

because i hate unofficials lol

[vernal ermine]

why

[limber hull]

and i want good ping

[vernal ermine]

officials have better?

[limber hull]

yes

[compact sequoia]

yes

[limber hull]

100 ping vs 20 ping

i take 20

[vernal ermine]

also, what is pale even tryna argue for? i never understood his point

[sly moon]

lmfao

[compact sequoia]

1.8 carno

[normal shuttle]

still fails to justify it

[compact sequoia]

just a bit bigger dino

[normal shuttle]

I am still waiting for a good argument

[normal shuttle]

"just a big bigger 🤓 " 500 extra health btw

surely no one will use that insane health boost to do something devious

[compact sequoia]

so a bit bigger dino will have health

[normal shuttle]

and that's uncalled for

[compact sequoia]

why?

[normal shuttle]

unneeded

[compact sequoia]

needed

[gritty kernel]

you can also make carno a bit bigger by adding 100-200kg... just saying

[limber hull]

then you'd have to nerf it.

again...

[sly moon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495264921324617738/1367690154638184509/caption.gif

[compact sequoia]

😇

[limber hull]

for the love of GOD LET CARNO BE IN ONE BALANCE STATE PLEASE

I cannot deal with another carno nerf

With it in some disgustingly awful balance state

HT carno finally has it in a sustainable spot

[normal shuttle]

because you literally don't need 500 extra health unless you are the most emetic carno player in this entire community

"But cera is too strong!" yeah, cera needs a nerf, carno doesn't have to be a powerhouse

"But rex and allo are coming!" So? Why should it be bigger? To FIGHT them? 😭

[compact sequoia]

carno 200 -400 kg plus wont be op

[limber hull]

cera 200 - 400 kg plus wont be op

same argument, equal standing, equally invalid

[compact sequoia]

1.8 carno can balance them and cera dill etc

[limber hull]

thats not balancing them

[compact sequoia]

bleh bleh bleh

[limber hull]

thats adding something new that's OP to balance other things that are OP

rather than taking the obvious route of nerfing the OP things lmao

[queen locust]

Ladies and gentlemen, 2.4 tonne carno.

[sly moon]

trueeeee

[normal shuttle]

400kg beipi wont be op

[compact sequoia]

thats a godzilla

[normal shuttle]

trust me bro, it's needed

beipi must bleed out omnis in two claw swipes

[compact sequoia]

thats a big chicken

[limber hull]

ironically, we'll probably get a carno that's OVER 2.4 tons

[compact sequoia]

allo 🤧

[limber hull]

in fact, we're GETTING a COLOSSAL carno

[normal shuttle]

Goliath fg 11 ton rex wont be op, trust me bro

it SHOULD be that large to consistently hunt shant

[limber hull]

not allo. carno

i said carno, because i meant carno

we have a confirmed carno that will likely be bigger than allo

hyper carno

[compact sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/amazing-gif-24403872

[limber hull]

this guy is still coming in

[queen locust]

hmm yes

[limber hull]

you want a big carno? you're gettin a big carno

[compact sequoia]

but i want normal carno to be big

[normal shuttle]

then you can cry about it

[compact sequoia]

i remember hypno are tough to play

[limber hull]

normal carno is balanced

hyper carno is big

[vernal ermine]

thats a hypo?

[limber hull]

that's a hyper, yes

[normal shuttle]

yes

[vernal ermine]

it doesn't even look like other hypos

looks like a normal ass carno but with devil horns

[compact sequoia]

well i can be suggestive unlike you for 400 kg bepi

[gritty kernel]

how would one even get to play a hypo?

[limber hull]

his 400kg beipi is exactly the same as your 1800kg carno

"add it because i want it"

[compact sequoia]

after 3 years

[limber hull]

we dont know how to obtain strains yet

[compact sequoia]

no its not

[limber hull]

ya it is lol

[compact sequoia]

no no no

[sly moon]

no no no

[compact sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/carno-dancing-gif-25977094

[sly moon]

trueee

[compact sequoia]

carno 1.8 is balenced

[limber hull]

if you say it enough, it still won't be true lol

[sly moon]

https://tenor.com/view/boxing-rohff-sparring-gif-14424727

[compact sequoia]

there is more balencers like me

[vernal ermine]

why is this downvoted

[queen locust]

probably because theres almost no one nesting

at least when I play

[sly moon]

well the idea is that it will encourage nesting

[icy lion]

It just screws over solo players instead of encouraging nesting

[sly moon]

ah

[icy lion]

I think nesting should contribute to getting a good elder, not be a requirement for it

[limber hull]

i know there are, luckily you guys ain't on the dev team lol

[compact sequoia]

lets see

[sly moon]

lets see

[compact sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-evil-laugh-laughing-laughter-evil-gif-6767660054883730345

[normal shuttle]

it was an example yet still it holds the same legitimacy as 1.8 ton carno hunting ceras consistently or deino hunting trikes and rexes with a deatomizing bite

I just think it should be added bro

it will be balanced, but I won't explain why

or well no, it has a reason

deino too strong for beipi, beipi should keep up with it in a fight

[compact sequoia]

then write in the feedback ✅🗿

[normal shuttle]

nah

I prefer to write about things the devs haven't rejected yet

[compact sequoia]

then what is the point telling

[vernal ermine]

how does it not encourage nesting 💀

[icy lion]

How is a solo player being unable to reach elder by no fault of their own a good thing?

[queen locust]

mainly because who is nesting so that someone else can get elder lmao

[compact sequoia]

solo player getting no chance at extra mutations is a good thing?

[wooden agate]

and heres another

[icy lion]

Did you read the conversation?

[compact sequoia]

i am just asking

[vernal ermine]

Alright, mention your own example of encouraging nesting

[icy lion]

No, it's not a good thing

[normal shuttle]

because I think a wolverine beipi with regeneration and adamantium bones to keep up with the UNSTOPPABLE, INDOMITABLE KING OF THE SEAS AND RIVERS ALIKE: THE DEINOSUCHUS is totally balanced and it should exist. The devs are out of touch for not allowing beipi to pummel sub deinos

[icy lion]

The planned nesting zones

[vernal ermine]

whats that

Nvm ik

Yeah, that won't encourage the amount needed for there to be enough nests

[compact sequoia]

solo players actually have no chance at extra mutations

[vernal ermine]

that's not what my suggestion was nerd

[compact sequoia]

i once suggested that dino parents and child should unlock extra mutations as child reaches sub adult

it was ❌ to oblivion

[queen locust]

oh I see now, thought you meant getting nested in.

[compact sequoia]

this would encourage and give solo players a chance to unlock all mutations

[vernal ermine]

i'm sorry for calling you a nerd 💔

[vernal ermine]

no i want nesters to be more rewarded

[icy lion]

If you're nesting, you're not solo

[queen locust]

nerd isn't an insult 🥀

[compact sequoia]

i thought solo meant not playing with a discord friend group

[limber hull]

if im playing with a massive pack despite not being on a call, i'm not solo lol

[icy lion]

Solo means alone

[compact sequoia]

i have never been born into a nest....i am playing for 2 years evirma... different dinos wonder why 🫥

[icy lion]

You need to check #evrima-eu more, then

I see nests 24/7

[vernal ermine]

i don't want other peoples social anxiety to get in the way of gameplay goodness

[limber hull]

i just join a server, see green and go "egg" and join it

it doesnt matter if i hate the animal, the compulsion to be an egg guides me

[icy lion]

I don't want the actual gameplay loop of the dinosaurs to be locked behind finding a mate and succesfully nesting

[normal shuttle]

that would be such a BoB situation with nests

Screw solo players ig

[icy lion]

To me that's like saying humans shouldn't get guns unless they have a group

You're taking a fundamental, core aspect of the gameplay and locking it behind having another player present

It should be easier for players to become elders if they've succesfully nested, it should not be a requirement to engage in the gameplay loop

[compact sequoia]

trodon starting gameplay is so difficult as if you don't have a parent

[vernal ermine]

eldering right, elder. senior
a part of an animal's elderhood (or climax of their life) is to mate

an animal not mating would considder its life a failure, by the laws of nature

[icy lion]

Ok, and this is a game

[vernal ermine]

a game that values many aspects of realism

what do you suggest the activity should be for acquiring an elder? if not nesting

you must have some glamorous ideas

[uneven grove]

If it’s not. Would it bother you if cera got 200-400 extra HP?

[normal shuttle]

thats 2-4 extra healthy carno bites

or 1-2 teno kicks, that's a big deal

[vernal ermine]

yeah if you nerf its biteforce and fighting strength to bits

[uneven grove]

Then you made my point on why carno shouldn’t get 200-400hp

Carno has a hit box that hits things half way across the map.

It also can choose any fight it wants. It has the ability to engage or disengage anything in the game.

It loses when it chooses to lose. As it didn’t have to engage if it didn’t want to

[limber hull]

yea, the same way it'd bother me if carno got 200-400 extra HP

the point of the argument was not "buff cera" but rather "those numbers matter more than you think"

[uneven grove]

I agree. Cera is getting a nerf. Carno is getting buffs

People should let things play out. Overall they are in fine spots for mid tier Dino’s

[icy lion]

@acoustic reef That's currently in hordetesting

[acoustic reef]

whats hordetesting? if you dont mind

like yall testing if it work?

[icy lion]

A public beta to test upcoming content for evrima

[acoustic reef]

ahhhhh

[acoustic reef]

would dat also have new dinos that arent in the game yet👀

[icy lion]

Trike is currently in it, rex will be after trike's testing is done

[acoustic reef]

or is it just features?

[acoustic reef]

oh okay

oh yea im on the hordetesting with it

@icy lion one last question as a carnivore if another carnivore were to jump on you is there a button to get them off? i died a couple times to the same animal and it kinda made me rage a lil

idk how to get them off

[icy lion]

Hold E to buck, but it doesn't work if you're being pinned to the ground

[acoustic reef]

you cant do nothing if you are being pinned down?

[icy lion]

Nope

[acoustic reef]

dammm it would be nice to have the option to kick them off you but theres only a small chance the kick would happen

[vernal ermine]

why?

[acoustic reef]

wdym why? irl a animal that gets pinned isnt just gon sit there and if theres a small chance and the animal can kick it off it will kick it off there isnt always going to be the chance which is why i said theres only a small chance for it to happen

the animal gon fight till its last breath

here as soon as you get pinned you're dead/food at that point my opinion on it is that its not realisitic if your opinon is to keep it like that well then thats fine too

[vernal ermine]

some things in the wild are guranteed deaths

[acoustic reef]

shiiii a animal that was posed to die can get lucky🤷‍♂️

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

alt f4 i am

https://tenor.com/view/invulnerable-gif-22484955

[normal shuttle]

@fallow stirrup b r u h

how does the server even know that? or if it was by accident

[normal shuttle]

peak suggestion, makes fights with lag or a bad gpu so much more in your favor

stego wasting all its power swings against a rex that keeps freezing 🔥

[fallow stirrup]

Bruh didnt they say they were going to add that? Idk how they’ll do it ask them

[normal shuttle]

not at all

why would they add alt f4 or screen freezing invincibility

[fallow stirrup]

What does f4 do for you

[normal shuttle]

altf4 is just a shortcute computers have to close to program you're on directly

[fallow stirrup]

Well its broke

[normal shuttle]

what

no it isn't

it works just as intended, and quick logging without sleeping makes your body stay there idle for 5 minutes rather than 1

[fallow stirrup]

Oh because you represent all computers got it

[normal shuttle]

what are you even talking about

[limber hull]

that's LITERALLY how windows works

the isle only runs on windows

[normal shuttle]

thought it was obvious but no

[fallow stirrup]

I did that the whole pc was frozen its never done that

[normal shuttle]

you can also have a potato pc hurting as it runs the game

but is clear is that in no way a player should become immune to damage if they crash or freeze. That's SO exploitable

[fallow stirrup]

As if the game isnt at all exploitable 🙄

[normal shuttle]

why have more exploits bruh

[frank tapir]

why make it far more exploitable?

[normal shuttle]

that is such a defunct argument

[tranquil silo]

Is there a way of getting coconuts out of trees as steggo? Or any other herbi that isn’t patchy?

[frank tapir]

@solid dust it's in the hordetest

[solid dust]

oh group spawning? that's heaps good thankyou

[indigo pulsar]

I made a mechanic suggestion for nesting in the general feedback if anyone is interested in reading it.

[urban flax]

It was good until you mentioned a buff

[indigo pulsar]

It wouldn't be a major buff. Maybe not a buff at all but some sort of benefit at least. There's no encouragement for people to lay eggs except for the hope that at some point their nested friends can nest them in. We can get rid of the buff idea all together and just keep babies being able to stay in a full group until sub and reduced damage from siblings when young, but there needs to be some sort of benefit for the parents. I'm trying to think of something that would be worth the effort for the parents.

[urban flax]

The effort of babies pipping inside their eggs ?

[indigo pulsar]

Nono. The parents nesting in general. Many times I would ask someone if they wanted to nest and if its not one of my friends where we can organize a path to getting everyone second gen, they usually don't want to do it.

I was trying to think of something that would occur irl and what benefits it should add to encourage more people to nest.

Pipping is crucial for many egg born animals- especially birds. If something goes wrong, it could be detrimental to the baby- like not hatching at all because they didn't hear pips from their siblings and the mother not being able to establish itself as the parent because the babies didn't hear her voice before hatching.

So I thought, if the game wants to be realistic, this would be cool (and kind of cute from the outside). I don't think it would be as complicated as I wrote it out to be if you take out the buffs and the scaling that comes with it.

[urban flax]

It's better to keep it simple

[indigo pulsar]

Yeah I agree

I was just throwing multiple ideas out their wrapped with that idea.

You can pick and choose. Just ideas.

[urban flax]

Pipping for babies inside eggs ? Okay, that's cute
Buffs for nesting+stress debuffs for having too many kids around+other buffs for babies themselves ? That's bloat

[indigo pulsar]

Have you ever played Beast of Bermuda?

They have a stress mechanic that perfectly keeps mixpacks and mega packs from occuring. Your dino gets stress debuff if it lingers too long around dinos that aren't your species (i think there being acceptions for herbis amonst other herbis) and if you overpack.

[limber hull]

I really don't think BoB does the solution well at all, personally

[indigo pulsar]

Sorry, let me rephrase, not perfectly but I sure as hell didn't encounter a whole lot of mixpackers and overpackers. Its a bit messy yes, but the base idea I think is good.

I did have a problem with it affecting fights because you would get too stressed out as the aggressor when trying to hunt as a carni.

[limber hull]

i pesronally really dislike the idea. it feels insanely artificial, and only kinda works in a game like BoB

[limber hull]

yea, stuff like this

you can't actually hunt effectively as an endurance hunter if you get punished for doing it

[indigo pulsar]

Artificial? Try putting two different animals irl in the same room and see what happens lol

Please elaborate, sorry

[limber hull]

in the same room? sure, because it's a new, confined and stressful space with a new, foreign creature, they'll get stressed

in the wild, primarily in their own habitat? they can easily tolerate the presence of other creatures if they present no immediate threat

[indigo pulsar]

I will say the amount of stress you got from certain things was a bit much.

[indigo pulsar]

Oh, yeah! I get that.

You got any ideas of what would discourage mixpacking/overpacking?

Btw, I'm kind of hurting myself with pondering this as I play with my friends and they tend to have large groups so I am guilty of mixpacking and overpacking.

But! In the past I suffered at the hands of mixpacking and overpacking so I get the irritation with it.

[limber hull]

I personally feel that it should be a less "punishing" approach, because I feel that harms player interaction artificially and feels super weird to die as a ptera for simply being in the presence of a trike, for instance.

I'd personally suggest this: Use the already existing mixpack scent, except have a notification when you enter the mixpack's "range" that you've picked up a distinct scent. Then, when you smell, you can locate the exact position of that mixpack and be able to leave well in advance

Mixpacks thrive off the fact they can roll over everyone. If people can choose to avoid that encounter if they so please, they lose that thrill, and thus insentive to mixpack

[indigo pulsar]

Oh yeah, I also didn't like the dying part. I just liked the stress debuff, not the part where it starts taking hp.

[indigo pulsar]

My only issue is that the icon pops up for any dino if they get too close to another dino. Many times I thought there was a mixpacking or megapack nearby but it was just a pt flying over really low, a small dino trying to pass us, or a gator in the water by our full group. Which brings up the other issue. I've sometimes been able to notice if something is sus about the water if there's a gator (usually 2 gators will make it pop up) which then ruins the gators opportunity for food. It doesn't happen often, but I noticed it and can exploit it.

[urban flax]

First one is not an issue, seeing an icon for a ptera flying low near another dino is not harmful
As for deinos, I think it should only appear when pack limit is exceeded, not reached, so it only punishes megapacks

So 3 deinos will have the icon appear above them

[indigo pulsar]

I've seen it show up before as soon as a dino from a different species lingers right by us at times. I don't think its suppose to, maybe its a glitch.

I was under the impression it shows up for mega packs and mixpacks.

[urban flax]

It shows up irregularly

[gentle briar]

This is not true.... will try it with a new Dino ( Dryo Female ) In Slot 2 no Profilic Reproduction 😒

The Only Way to get this Mutation is to spawn in a Nest as an Baby in Second Generation and then in Slot Two is The Mutation Profilic Reproduction there 🤷🏻‍♂️

[indigo pulsar]

I deleted the feedback to refine the idea a bit more with your feedback, I'll discuss it with others as well before suggesting it again. I didn't realize buffs were such a contention all around other than when its not implemented well enough to prevent exploits. I'll try to come up with something that doesn't involve buffs (the buffs I was imagining wouldn't have been combat centered as I know we have plenty of stuff already that handle that part of the game lol). I admit the "increased aggression" was a bad term to use when suggesting a buff for the parents specifically and I could already see the exploits that could be used with that. I still think though that nested babies should be able to stay in the group a bit longer as they're usually not viable in combat (if anything, they'll be a target) up until they start entering their subadult stage. Plenty of rule servers have babies as an exception to pack limits until they get too big and need to leave the group. I still want pipping, I always thought it cute when I saw it from bb birds hatching, but also thought it might have been crucial for dinosaurs in the past if its so prevalent now in current egg born animals.

[honest plover]

@gentle briar it's slot 2 for the mut

[frank tapir]

how long do the effects of prolific reproduction last?

[honest plover]

Hasn’t been tested

So no idea. Waiting on those who will test it 🙏 someone hit up Kouga who does all the tutorials

[stuck granite]

which are?

[indigo gulch]

Gastro, tactile, photo and nocturnal

[normal shuttle]

Cong is also bad

And hypermetabolic

And hemomania

And prey drive

[indigo gulch]

yeah yeah cuse combat

but they are not outright broken like those four

[normal shuttle]

Delete all combat muts and add more survival ones

We are pretty lacking in actually valuable and original survival mutations

[normal shuttle]

True, although they risk becoming op in the future

[indigo gulch]

always

[woeful latch]

i hate it more than anything

[indigo gulch]

I like it on troodon tbf

[normal shuttle]

I hate to think Rex is getting +1k health with it against trike

Or giga vs cama

[stuck granite]

fair enough. but pt is much better than nocturnal in my opinion, because pt works for like 15h compared to nocturnal's 9h (20:00-05:00 I believe)

dont know why its not 12/12 but what do i know right haha

[indigo gulch]

its not 12/12 because people didnt like it

also its not 12/12 irl either for most of the world, depending on the season

[icy lion]

@lapis mica Please don't use the feedback channels for questions, and they don't get responded to unless more info is needed

[lapis mica]

yeah i noticed as soon as i done it, my b

[leaden bronze]

@proud coral tell me why carno's stun on teno is not useless

i will wait

teno can always be tail to the carno and carno cant do nothing, and charging at its tail maybe can hit body hitboxes but the tailslam is gonna annihilate you

[proud coral]

I disagree with it because Tenonto is not really something Carno should be hunting. It can, ideally in a duo or more. But Teno is considerably larger than Carno nowadays, and Carno is stated to primarily go after smaller game. So I don't really see it as an issue

[leaden bronze]

but that doesnt change the fact that its useless

I am not talking that it needs to be buffed

[proud coral]

Against Teno, maybe. But you shouldn't really be using it against a Teno anyways.
Not to say the charge by itself is perfect as is, but I wouldn't consider this specifically an issue.

[leaden bronze]

carnos diet is terible tho

[proud coral]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-true-kramer-seinfeld-gif-5503484

[leaden bronze]

u can mosly hunt 2 species

omni and that venom thingy that I forgot its name, and when there are 3 omnis it is a gamble, and when there are 2 venom thingys you're mostly done ( talking about a situation when you are hungry and need food )

and the venom thingy is not on diet list

and anything else is not played or u cant kill it (herra)

they gotta fix aomething about carno

[normal shuttle]

Carno shouldn’t be messing with a teno 1v1 unless the teno is ass

Shrimple as

[leaden bronze]

did I say something that it should?

[junior nymph]

stun aint that useless go in a group it can be decent

[leaden bronze]

u need unless 3 carnos to take down thing that is only 300kg larger. I undestand but even in that situation if the teno isnt ass it can handle that sittuation in 75% of situation

[junior nymph]

id say 2 good carnos take a teno

[leaden bronze]

cuz 1 slam takes u out of the battle

[junior nymph]

especially with the new HT stuff

[leaden bronze]

good carnos against decent teno

[leaden bronze]

HT is dumb, I say that mostly bc of officials

I lost way too many dinos bc devs mod the map

and no mods on officials ofc

[junior nymph]

its a testing server?

plus thats how ht is dumb?

[leaden bronze]

hordetesting official eu servers

[junior nymph]

what abt it?

[leaden bronze]

grow a trike 9h to get annihilated by dev that modded a map a lil bit where u slept?

[junior nymph]

well like I said its a testing server/branch you cant expect for you to have a smooth experience and id rather that than the devs not working on the map

you choose to play on the testing servers where stuff is redone

[leaden bronze]

also the servers are only 9 players most of the time and I starve b AI is bugged

[junior nymph]

like i said its a testing server...

its not that hard to understand that stuff will be bugged and redone

and you might loose dinos

[leaden bronze]

cant they put the damm fixes on evrima to carno?

[compact timber]

@leaden bronze isn't Carno already unable to stun Teno because of the size limit?

[junior nymph]

depends if its tied to anything (which I doubt)

[leaden bronze]

it can stun teno

[normal shuttle]

Carno shouldn’t be slamming stegos bro

[junior nymph]

✅

[leaden bronze]

!?!?!??!?!? who EVER SAID THAT

[normal shuttle]

I was making a strawman argument on purpose

[leaden bronze]

?

I may not have a brain but I aint dumb

[junior nymph]

carno crashout of 2025

[junior nymph]

I dont make the rules

[leaden bronze]

no reason to play as carnos prey most of the time

[normal shuttle]

It was friendly poking

[leaden bronze]

only omnis and theese venom thingys

[normal shuttle]

Maybe carno could do with some slight adjustments but honestly it does its thing just fine

It’s just that teno is so damn good

[junior nymph]

dilos?

[leaden bronze]

thanks

[normal shuttle]

Without being broken

[leaden bronze]

thankfully they're nerfing/reworking ( i swear if it is not a nerf) ceras bacteria

[junior nymph]

cera needs overall nerfs but no too much to make it unfun

they need to make it a corpse bully

[leaden bronze]

yea it has way too much passives and THAT FILFHY RMB SPAM

[leaden bronze]

right

[junior nymph]

they cant really get rid of the passives since its ceras identity

just make charge bite a more defensive bite by making it reduce 30% move speed or something

[leaden bronze]

yea, but rework them a bit considering rmb spam and massive bacteria "damage"

or just fix rmb ig

[junior nymph]

is this sarcasm

[leaden bronze]

that is what I want too

[normal shuttle]

Imagine that they turn it into legacy cera again

Absolute cinema

[junior nymph]

ononononnon

[leaden bronze]

bad valiant, bad ideas

[normal shuttle]

Joever

[normal shuttle]

I would be terribly disappointed if that happened

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/ceratosaurus-live-reaction-gif-11542304678155898257

[leaden bronze]

being back early isla spiro carno !

[normal shuttle]

Legacy cera was so ass.

Only served the purpose of no alt turn monster, that’s it. Utah but stronger and less versatile

[normal shuttle]

I sure think tenos would find it extremely fun to get knocked over and killed in 4 bites

[junior nymph]

I dont get how people have gone to think cera is the brawler of the mid tiers.

[leaden bronze]

they should take fun from it skill issue ig

xD

[minor field]

It’s not a mid tier

But also tiers as a whole just like

Suck as a way to categorize creatures

[leaden bronze]

I am waiting for 3tons allo

[normal shuttle]

Not really, you could make a tier for every playable and it would make sense

[minor field]

You’d have to make way more than the 3 current ones that are used often

Size just makes more sense to me, having a Tiny, Small, Mid, Large, Apex tier is just more convenient to me

[gentle briar]

Thx yeah o know. Your Dino.... is this
Second Generation?
This is The importent Part ?
When your Dino Breed from Parents
Then you have the choice of Profilic Reproduction in The Second Mutation Slot ( Slot 2 )

But not as The Parent ( The First Generation ) im searched for The Mutation in Slot 2 with my Maia (nothing) so i do The Pratice Theorie. For Slot 3 Breeding/Paaring is not ready for 80% Grow
🤷🏻‍♂️

And serached then for The Mutation with the same result (Nothing)

[dim ocean]

was your maia a male

[gentle briar]

Pffff... good Joke

No truly Not 😒

[honest plover]

Male dinos do not have prolific reproduction. It is only females. Just in case you are male and haven't realized it. Also, you are on the HT, right? Because I was just on as a Galli and tested it out.

Female Galli gets it on the second slot. But I will go onto the HT rn and grow a female Maia. That is not nested, spawned in, and test if female Maias get the mutation on the second mutation slot

[gentle briar]

💯 it was in HT, my Maia was a Female, no Fails....
I do a Screenshot in General Feedback. But it is okay i Test it in another Session... and Try it Again

[honest plover]

First generation, second slot

[gentle briar]

This was my Family

[gentle briar]

Nice.... then it was a Bug i Can not explain why it Dont work by me 🤷🏻‍♂️

[compact sequoia]

@mortal jacinth number 3 mating call is actually a great suggestion

[mortal jacinth]

Cheers mate, i guess i just shrink it to that

[idle laurel]

anyone knows when the teleport to your partner comand its going to come?? im losing my mind every time i have to travel real 15min in the game just to find my friend im sick of that

[lunar shoal]

totally agree, so annoying every single time!!!

[gentle roost]

It’s in the horse test right now it’ll likely be coming in the update that adds Rex and trike

[normal shuttle]

@still orchid the last thing mutations need is more meta mutations to solidify a meta

We need all speed, damage, stamina and health boosts gone

And instead get a lot more survival ones

Trike with durable hide

Or Rex with strong jaw

[urban flax]

The fact the herbivore mutation has a drawback but not the carnivore one

[normal shuttle]

LMAOOOOOOOO

😭 😭

Didn’t read that part but yeah wild

Eat grass and die ig

[still orchid]

the herbi one is to make you more tanky which is why it makes you slower and the jaw one is to help smaller carnivores with moving bodies

[urban flax]

Honestly I think increased weight at the cost of reduced damage AND speed is completely useless
Except maybe for anky and brachi

[urban flax]

Then why does it buff damage

[icy lion]

The jaw one is to give carnivores a ton of extra damage, no conditions apply

[still orchid]

the could make it so trike gets less of the boost while keeping the draw back, as for the jaw + rex I would guess that he could drag any body so that wouldnt get that mutation

[urban flax]

Free +10% damage ? Of course it will get the mutation

Also I didn't mention trike being on the list of whom the mutation would be useful to

Thank you but there's a mod online

[normal shuttle]

You know that absolutely isn’t the only application the carni one would have, right?

I could also use it on something like a giga to get a passive unchanging 10% boost to my damage and bleed

And thus you just reinforce the mutation meta by making more mutations that are a must have

[normal shuttle]

Even if the values scale depending on the playable, you cannot make it a fair trade for everyone

As Bubulblu said, there would be playables that don’t rely on damage at all like anky who would just get a net benefit from it at a negligible cost

And nerfing speed which is the most important stat in the game

And by 15% no less

So fair and proportional. A mutation you chose can suddenly sabotage your entire gameplay

Oh you want more health as teno? Now if an allo sees you, it can run you down and pin you

Meanwhile Rex gets its free damage boost that also gets benefit from the other damage muts

[urban flax]

Can't wait to play a dryo with 25 extra health but who gets run down by a cera

[normal shuttle]

Dibble getting ran down and pinned by non ambush 6 ton rexes 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[normal shuttle]

Meanwhile nested ceras with cong, gastro, photo tissue, 10% passive damage boost, 10-15% passive damage boost, and either hemomania kicking in after the first hit or prey drive after you get pulverized by one charged bite to the head and you are vomiting

Riveting gameplay

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message this is so unhinged i want to upvote this to trigger people

[minor field]

Peak suggestion

[normal shuttle]

Carnivores not getting a debuff unlike herbivores is so telling of the biases 💀

[pliant elm]

@olive wraith Carno with that weight and the current charge would be a monster

Not that I like the current Carno, but the one who really needs change is the one he faces and not him himself.

[vernal ermine]

anyone have any suggestions to how one should achieve elder?

[woeful latch]

honestly no idea, i think patrol zones will be relayed to elder system

because kissen said there won’t always be food there, so we would have to go there for other reasons and the other reason will probably be becoming elder

but what comes to mind is nesting and keeping perfect diet..

maybe following the migrations

[pliant elm]

@brittle kiln Cerato can't hunt Maia, he can kill...

[vernal ermine]

ceras can definitely hunt maias right now lol

but maybe not after the nerfd

[woeful latch]

ceras can’t even hunt tenos

anything faster can simply run away…

omnis or dilos can hunt maias…

[pliant elm]

No, he can't "Hunt". Cerato can kill Maia if he decides to attack him, but hunting is different.

[woeful latch]

tho i honestly don’t see an issue to add maia to ceras diet, especially considering its a scavenger…

at least meant to be

[pliant elm]

Cerato probably won't get a nerf to the level of being weak against Maias, it's just a readjustment in the bacteria and vomit (I hope, because he might get a buff and not a nerf...)

Same as last time, they said they would "readjust" the Cerato bile and in fact they buffed it a lot xd

[vernal ermine]

yeah ion agree with cera being as powerful as it is

should be worse at hunting, better at scavenging

[pliant elm]

The biggest problem is the ease with which it is applied and it also causes stun in the victim, a stun that can last 5 seconds in some (Dilo and Herrera)

This stun should be a low time, like 1.2s for everyone

[modest dock]

I also hope charge bite will consume stam at some point and not being spammable as hell

[pliant elm]

That would be nice too. Even a small stam cost would make it necessary to handle your stam and also prevent you from using your ability if you have 0 stam, just like the others dinos

[river idol]

why are so many people against carno weighing 1500 kg?!

[icy lion]

@sharp sentinel Quetz and minmi are already planned

[sharp sentinel]

@icy lion nice, it would be great if we could get them soon though, (Like fall mb?) im not trying to rush anyone btw, just my opinion

[river idol]

glitchy ass bugged game wish they would FIX BUGS BEFORE ADDING NEW DUMB CONTENT.

[pliant elm]

Finally 😭🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[indigo gulch]

#general-feedback message wait is this real?

[lilac bolt]

yeah

[junior nymph]

yes

[indigo gulch]

Holy

[midnight hamlet]

anyone know why i cant find any servers ?

[wooden agate]

this exact model is in the skin creator btw

lol move the growth to about 20-30%

we dont spawn as normal juvies, we spawn as basically full hatchlings

#general-feedback message

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message male display sure.

[dry falcon]

It still looks wrong to look at

Why is its mouth so open

[barren crater]

[normal shuttle]

@dry falcon git gud

[modest dock]

https://tenor.com/view/byson-yes-gif-21730475

[sinful egret]

erm what does this even mean? "Increased distance check for fish spawns"

[heady geode]

ai normally spawns around people, maybe the range at which fish spawned was really low, thats why it felt like they never did

all i know is running around delta as galli I was seeing a dozen elite fish surfacing, fish fixed

[stuck granite]

For a week, then the system will implode again

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message hm yes I completely agree

hm

[junior nymph]

#general-feedback message @modest dock its more powerful than what it was before 😦

ik the patch notes say otherwise

[frank tapir]

@swift dagger they released a patch for the hordetest today

[swift dagger]

yeah that's what i'm responding to

[junior nymph]

They do alot of stuff behind the scenes lol

[swift dagger]

go read dev blog and look at all the developers time allocated on things much further down the road. This is dino star citizen at this point

[junior nymph]

like?

[woeful latch]

@woven bane @desert arch absolutely WILD

this is pretty much exactly what i wanted, even tho cera is slower while charging now, it charges its bite almost instantly and can hold it forever… THATS SICK.

tho i still didnt want the stam cost, i think thats unnecessary

also apparently it has now cc resistance while charging, thats interesting

[junior nymph]

if you are referencing the skins its cause that dev has nothing else to do as they aint a programmer or animator same with tapwing and visualtech does human stuff @swift dagger

[swift dagger]

human labs, human tunnels, climbing features for the hypsilophodon and herrerasaurus Kentrosaurus locomotion, Elder morphs for all our current roster as well as all the upcoming beasties who have been rigged.

this project has made over 100 million he can afford to hire a few more devs to speed up progress

they didn't even build an engine here, we're talking about essentially a mod

[frank tapir]

you think they shouldn't be doing that stuff?

[junior nymph]

what?? so a game needs its own engine to be classed as a game

[swift dagger]

i think they should focus development efforts on what's planned next rather than what's 5 years down the line

considering the time it's taken to release what's in evirma currently

[desert arch]

The stam cost is like 0.05% every second, its nothing.
And teno cant knock it down while it charges its bite now thanks to the stability modifier lmaoo

[swift dagger]

no i'm saying that it doesn't make sense how much time has passed and how little has been accomplished all things considered

[junior nymph]

they are focused on the now silly bary kentro elders tlcs for ptera herra and hypsi the human stuff is for the one guy who does humans

[swift dagger]

1 guy doing humans, 0 guys doing rex

[woeful latch]

oh sounds good, actually balanced this time lmao

[frank tapir]

there are more than 0 people doing rex

[swift dagger]

15 years development time 0 humans in game

no according to the dev blogs and recent updates

[frank tapir]

humans can be enabled by unofficial servers

[desert arch]

Thought youd crash out abt that tail slam not knocking them down anymore thing

Guess I was wrong

[woeful latch]

NO why??

[frank tapir]

rex has been in most, if not all, of the recent dev blogs

[junior nymph]

QA works on rex to find the bugs rn and the actual devs fix those bugs

[desert arch]

Idk teno main and all 😭

[woeful latch]

that’s actually a good thing omg, why would i be upset, i’m the one who actually wanted changes like this 😭

[woeful latch]

🫣

[desert arch]

Literally next patch is confirmed to have rex as a playable, so the whole team is doing rex rn lol

[woeful latch]

i will find a way to kos ceras… dw……….

it’s part of my job

[desert arch]

WHAT

[woeful latch]

tho maybe the job is done

[woeful latch]

I WAS CRYING FOR MONTHS THAT I WANT CHARGE TO SLOW CERA DOWN AND BE INFINITE

[frank tapir]

but it only slows when it's fully charged

[desert arch]

But teno cant knock them down anymore, at all 😭

[woeful latch]

hmm well can it stun?

[desert arch]

I will miss you 🥀

[desert arch]

Yes

[woeful latch]

AHAHAHAHA

[woeful latch]

then i’ll figure something out👹

[desert arch]

Im sad cuz its just another tail slam nerf, even though its a fair change

[woeful latch]

ehh it is what it is ig..

[frank tapir]

bring the damage back up 👹

[desert arch]

Tail slam: the only attack in the entire game thats only useful for roleplay

[woeful latch]

do kicks stun btw?

[desert arch]

They do

[woeful latch]

IDJDISJDJSKFHEJ

[woeful latch]

oh what, that doesn’t make sense btw

[swift dagger]

all in all it's very little to show for time spent.

[desert arch]

Ceras weight while charging becomes 1625kg

[woeful latch]

then it will be even easier

i think they should change that part, tail slam should stun, but kicks should do nothing

idk, i’ll search for some ceras to krill and then i’ll come back to discussion i guess

[frank tapir]

is that enough for carno to get stunned if it charges?

[woeful latch]

wanna test how the fight goes now

[woeful latch]

hmm.. that’s interesting question

so if cera charges then carno won’t be able to stun it..? tho carno can stun the teno for a moment if carno charges for long enough

[barren crater]

Carno can stun things larger than teno

[woeful latch]

hmm nice nice

guys since carno and cera got adjustments in this HT, what if… listen guys, what if teno gets its tail slam damage back……

[frank tapir]

maybe in allo's hordetest? or if teno struggles against juvie/sub rexes

[desert arch]

No

It would need to be 1900kg+

[maiden anvil]

@frigid badge maybe not mute it entirely but definitely reduce the volume

[ashen shell]

what's happened with cera? another buff for something that needed a debuff?

[brittle lake]

People says its nerfed but imo its got buffed even more

[ashen shell]

is it at least more of a corpse bully

[normal shuttle]

@swift dagger game isn’t 15 years old so that’s spreading misinformation+rex is confirmed as the next playable and it has been in the works for a long time+not every dev in the team does the exact same thing

Players will increase again with the release of rex and its fine for them to be less when there’s not a lot of movement going on and when HT servers are not precisely abundant

The vast majority of players are on the live branch, even after trike’s release

[tired quest]

They should fix the small things first, like a group of deer or boars getting spooked by a Beipi or Deino underwater and starting to run when they are still 50 meters away....

[swift dagger]

Sorry 10 years. Which is still a ridiculous amount of time. I know they had to start over and I know they've acquired a ton of technical debt. That's why I'm saying it'd be nice to have more dedicated resources put towards getting out content that's slated for next patch.

Yeah there's nothing to do on horde test other than walk around with a trike and eat grass. QA probably doesn't need to spend too much time to find bugs. There's a limited number of things the character can even do. Give a tester a few hours, write the tickets, pass it to dev, move on. Most of the time dinos are released with plenty of bugs the user base finds anyway put it on horde test and there's almost no point in having QA

The amount of progress for time spent is not great. I've worked on several projects much more complex than this and my resources wouldn't have made it past 6 months with the amount of progress for time spent. Anyway tired of going in circles here. I don't know why you or anyone thinks what's been produced thus far is reasonable for the amount of development hours spent. Devs can easily do their own QA and then pump it to horde test too. It just seems like they're happy moving at a snails pace

[ancient kestrel]

Finally they made some substantial changes to cera

[frank tapir]

changes, yes

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message @patent pike counterplay is to look up

[edgy flax]

whatd u block me for

[frank tapir]

don't remember

[edgy flax]

i dont think i ever talked to u

[frank tapir]

what are your opinions on ai spawns

[ancient kestrel]

Yeah I finally can play cera without feeling myself guilty

[normal shuttle]

Feel free to throw anything I say to the bin since you could consider me a glazer buuuut…

While I agree that lack of consistent goals and focus has compromised the development pace for a while, during the last two years or so we’ve finally had some consistent progress and we keep having it. We got 6 playables on 2024 and 2 in 2025 while also getting enough progress to start the year with a hordetest. Yes, it could be quicker, but at least when there are real updates things are usually worth playing. No one is really happy with them being slow, but more so we don’t mind because we understand development is hard, it is fine to not have tunnel vision only caring about new playables, and the game has a serviceable enough gameplay loop to wait in the meantime right now (let alone going to other games while waiting). And due to the whole recode thingy, it is still kind of disingenuous to count the legacy years: evrima very much is a whole new game.

Could be worse like saurian taking 3 years to add trike in a single player game when we had dakota for starters

Also, I’m sorry, but the 6 months thing is

[patent pike]

Great idea except when all the trees are overlapping and you can't see anything 🙂

[woven bane]

you can see them when they’re mid air and about to land on you, plenty of time for you to dodge

[compact sequoia]

@sinful dome ht is meant to be bugged and you should report all in the #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[compact sequoia]

no worry rex trike will skyrocket this game

both in content and revenue

[patent pike]

So for one playable I must constantly look up when around all trees and any cliff faces. Instead of the damage just not being so ridiculous. I don't object to them as a concept I just think they are overtuned.

[limber hull]

Human labs and tunnels allow for easier traversal around the island, for dinosaurs too

The concept that climbing for hypsi is a waste of time is just wrong. The animal has needed this for years.

Kentrosaurus is literally on the roadmap of course they should work on it

Elders are an integral core feature explain to me what’s wrong with that feature seeing work lmao

[woven bane]

you don’t have to look up constantly, just do that occasionally especially around herrera frequent spots. i don’t see how they are overtuned honestly

it works as an ambusher

[patent pike]

The damage they're a small playable that can take on most mid tiers with a single attack unless full grown.

[patent pike]

That's fine but just tune down the dmg

[woeful latch]

hmm no… hmm… alright so i was wrong and it’s just another cera buff…

[woven bane]

mid tiers? it can only kill things up to dilo sized in one blow

[desert arch]

Biggest thing herrera can kill consistently is omni

Dilo too I guess if the terrain is favorable or the dilo is damaged before it jumps it

Dying to a herrera otherwise is tremendous skill issue

[woven bane]

^ herrera’s damage also scales with the weight of the opponent, the bigger something is the less damage you do to it

[limber hull]

Semi true

It scales with CC. Knockdown hurt more than stun hurt more than no stun

And CC scales with weight

[woeful latch]

hmm interesting, do you know how much damage herrera does?

like max amount

[limber hull]

Not exactly tbh

It’s probably somewhere lol

[woven bane]

its inconsistent

[patent pike]

That's just not true

[woven bane]

what can it kill then

[patent pike]

Yeah I'm not talking about full grown mid tierd I'm talking half to sub adult

[woven bane]

so then things in the 700 and below range

because it can’t physically 1 tap anything bigger than that

[patent pike]

Right but that's still too much amd depending on bleed it can definitely take something to red and have them bleed out at that wright and above. Its a small tier dino with a deino level attack that just doesn't sit well with me

[woven bane]

for how situational it is i think its more than fair

it can only kill other small tiers with its damage

[frank tapir]

deino can deal a maximum of 6000 damage with one attack, herra doesn't have a "deino level" attack

[patent pike]

Situational? It's every tree and cliff face

[patent pike]

In terms of small from a small playable to an apex that takes hours more to grow and can only use said attack from water or when right next to them on land it is

[desert arch]

Me when the ambush predator works as intended

[woven bane]

it has to be in the right place at the right time, the opponent has to stay perfectly still under the tree, being out of range can also be an issue and if the opponent has spotted you the hunt is pretty much over

[desert arch]

90% of herreras hand out at south plains or west rail, some do venture out to highlands but then the palm trees make them very easy to see

So you need to be vigilant on like 3 spots on the map

[patent pike]

Me when the argument is strawman because I never complained about it being an ambush predator I complained about the dmg

[desert arch]

As an ambush predator it has to have high dmg, it can only land 1 attack

[woven bane]

the basis of ambushing is literally to one shot, that’s why the damage is so high

[patent pike]

You can hit players while moving

[woven bane]

that takes a lot of skill and it depends, if they’re walking in a straight line sure

[patent pike]

Right that's fine if it only did that to other small dinos

[woven bane]

it does though

[desert arch]

Its already what it does though

Dilo sized things are small

If you limit its hunting range by nerfing its damage it would literally starve to death

People basically never play things smaller than omni

And strictly being a juvenile hunter would be a waste

[patent pike]

Or just make it so that it has to hit multiple times to take out larger dinos like evey other playable

Like when you jump off you can run jump onto another tree and repeat hell I'd be fine with two attacks killing

[limber hull]

Deino???

[desert arch]

How? Any player with a brain wont let themselves be hit again

[limber hull]

Ambush pred need ambush

[woven bane]

it dosen’t work like other playables, it has an extremely telegraphed attack so once the element of surprise is gone you’re pretty much useless

[limber hull]

Herrera relying on things its size to not starve is insane, it’s one of the smallest creatures in the game

It needs to punch up to not starve

[desert arch]

The devs already tried low dmg herrera, back when it released it couldnt 1 shot omni even with a headshot from max height, and let me tell you, it was HORRIBLE

Climbing was fun, but it was basically just a juvi hunter

[patent pike]

But do we not think that saying unless I can shot one things I will be useless means it's poorly designed? I understand you need to hunt larger things and I'm fine with that I just don't like the idea of having to constantly check every tree I'm near in a hot spot or not stay still near any foliage or height because again in areas like south by the river where the trees overlap its very difficult to see them

In Highlands I'll give it to you very easy to spot them as the trees are standalone

[woeful latch]

honestly.. just look up and herrera wont be a problem

[normal shuttle]

I am not worried in the slightest about the game. I wasn’t even worried back then before cera released

Game can take its time, it will eventually be good (and it already is tbh, game started being in a pretty solid state after gateway)

[woven bane]

you just gotta be extra careful around some trees

[stuck imp]

are you telling me that... the hardcore horror survival game requires me to... pay attention?

[normal shuttle]

^

[ancient kestrel]

You can't take those words back

[woeful latch]

my only real issue with herrera is them making sanctuaries a nightmare, anywhere else they're basically easily avoidable

its honesly a skill issue to die to herrera....

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/catstare-gif-8960785107294365444

[normal shuttle]

But do we not think that saying unless I can shot one things I will be useless means it's poorly designed? I understand you need to hunt larger things and I'm fine with that I just don't like the idea of having to constantly check every bush I'm near in a hot spot or not stay still near any foliage or jungle because again in areas like south by the river where the trees overlap its very difficult to see a rex hiding

This is how it sound, extrapolated to any other ambush predator in the entire game. Don’t be unaware and you will not be ambushed, simply. Plus herras always tend to pick the same trees for the most part

[ancient kestrel]

I mean me hardly agree thats this is a directly buff. They took on one thing and added on another

[patent pike]

There's one other ambush predator in the game and not only does it take the longest to grow it is an apex its role is to be the highest damage playable in the game and its even most restricted by water and stamina and the highest hunger drain in the game.

[woeful latch]

thats what i was thinking at first, but in reality its faster infinite charge, knockdown resistance, bacteria buff and 99% bleed resistance for 10% speed nerf which is not instant, so you just hold charge for one second, fully charge it and bite, it looses the speed very slowly so its not even a nerf, just dont hold the charge

its easily fixable by just making cera lose the speed immediately

then its fine

now its just tons of buffs.. and thats basically it

[ancient kestrel]

99% bleed resist sounds like a bug

[woven bane]

and it also camps a vital resource, with herrera you have don’t have to interact with it if you don’t want to

[woeful latch]

maybe, idk if its fixed or not, if its not then it probably wasnt a bug

[ancient kestrel]

Also where you see bacteria buff? Theyf ixed bacteria applying from alt-bite to tail, bacteria level decaying over time and no longer you can get those from fresh meat. Also salt is useful before vomit sicness too

[placid anchor]

The horror collection has been expanded, keep up the good work! 🫣

[woeful latch]

bacteria now stays longer, its 30 minutes (potato quote)

[desert arch]

Wha

[woeful latch]

you said that

[desert arch]

Its 30 mins for around half stomach

[placid anchor]

Honestly, I don’t understand how one can make such a mistake. Repeatedly.

[desert arch]

On carno specifically, thats all I know for now

[woeful latch]

yeah thats A LOT lol

tho the fact that you can get bacteria only from rotten bodies is actually a nerf, yeah nice

[desert arch]

Yes

[desert arch]

Lol no
Take 3 chunks out of a body, let them rot, gg full bile

[woeful latch]

LMAO

lovely

[foggy field]

Yeah

And cerato charged bite is already very high damage

So getting that high damage even faster

I hope they change it so they get reduced speed imediatly

[whole sparrow]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxh7QN_Nnd7MFd39Op2RRACt1X_0aWDTaY?si=dWQGyoAtCmz4LarR im unable to understand how people think the new calls are better than this iconic sound

[woven bane]

the old calls sounds outdated

[whole sparrow]

yeah ok , watching a better video of them , they dont sound too bad

tho i still prefered old broadcast

[woeful latch]

yeah i agree, i like the new calls more

[limber hull]

i MUCH prefer new broadcast

it sounds like the trumpets of angels before they declare war on hell

i dont even need to clarify the mental image does all the talking for me as to why that's sick as hell

[modest dock]

Why ? How could it be stronger if something that was unlimited before is now limited ?

Like bacteria is draining over time, now charged bite use stam, bacteria cannot be harvested from fresh ai corpses

That sounds like a nerf

[frank tapir]

it drains 0.05% per second, once it is fully charged

[modest dock]

So it drains more when running, and you can't get stam back when walking/using charge bite at the same time

[woeful latch]

yeah, on paper..

[desert arch]

its not the ceras bacteria that drains over time, its the victims, and it may take up to an hour for it to drain if its nearlyy a full stomach

[modest dock]

Making cera more efficient at using charged bite when staying in place but not moving quickly

[desert arch]

it took 30 mins for the bile to drain from half stomach on a carno

[modest dock]

Bruhh i thought it was cera bacteria

[frank tapir]

the speed decrease is also only once the bite is fully charged

[woeful latch]

@desert arch btw if cera now drains stamina while charging does that mean it can’t charge when it’s out of stam?

idk if you tested that

[desert arch]

that remains to be tested

[woeful latch]

okay

[modest dock]

Bruuh ima remove my feedback then and make an other later. How could they made it look so much good on paper but being so much trash in reality ?

[desert arch]

it would be nice if it couldnt, but to be fair it wouldnt make much of a difference since cera is still one of the most stamina efficient animals out there

Ig would help pachy out a little with fighting ceras

[limber hull]

literally all you'd need to do is make the speed and stam nerfs apply instantly and it's fine imho

(also now you can make pachy stun animals up to 3x its size and cera would have an answer lol)

[woeful latch]

NO IDEA LMAO I GENUINELY THOUT IT WAS A NERF

thought

that’s insane how they sneaked in more buffs

[placid anchor]

#general-feedback message
Oh, these casuals and their "amazing" ideas. If I were the developer, I would have made a cooldown on respawn (for 30-40 minutes) if you died right after respawning. It is simply unbearable to play on remote corners of the island because people like you live only on the southern river

[woeful latch]

yeah i 100% agree

[modest dock]

That would be better

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

he didn't even read the patch notes 😔

fish literally spawn more consistently

[maiden trellis]

I did read them. They didn’t say they’d spawn more consistently, just that checks were extended by some unknown distance. Reduction is reduction. We asked for more, they took out some of what does spawn. Plain and simple.

[limber hull]

they LITERALLY increased their spawns by increasing those checks

[maiden trellis]

And taking out fish is literally TAKING OUT FISH

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/catstare-gif-8960785107294365444

[limber hull]

yea, because probably the amount of fish in lakes with said changes would've been either
A: Broken
B: REALLY bad on performance

[maiden trellis]

So punish deinos for the servers being cheap instead of fixing an issue everyone agrees needs work. Got it. Makes perfect sense. I see the light.

[limber hull]

they literally increased fish spawns

fish spawn so commonly now its absurd

but im assuming you didn't play the HT

[maiden trellis]

Not this morning, no. I did starve to death 3-4 times on a Deino before giving up trying the HT anymore.

[limber hull]

before the changes?

[maiden trellis]

Yes

[limber hull]

yea that adds

[maiden trellis]

I’m really hoping you’re not referring to the tiny schooling fish. I really hope you’re not suggesting an 8 ton carnivore can live any length of time (even long enough to hunt anything) on .25% food per fish.

[limber hull]

ironically, that's what you're doing

they increased fish spawns and reduced fish schools in lakes. read the patch notes

you got more of the fish you wanted and less of the fish you don't

elite fish spawn more commonly. schooling fish spawn less commonly (in certain lakes)

everywhere else, schooling fish spawns more commonly

[maiden trellis]

I stand corrected. Damn dyslexia got me again.

Thank you

[frank tapir]

@livid ember #isle-discussion message I don't think they're going to change it

[uneven grove]

10% speed reduction with charge, charge costs stam, less accessible bile + bile decay. And the buff is that there's no auto release for charge + shorter charge duration?

[uneven grove]

I'm too stupid to understand the nerfs vs buffs = buffs here. How did you come up with the values? Stam is arguably one of the most important things. Stam got nerfed. Bile got nerfed. Speed got nerfed with charge. Charge duration got a buff.

[woeful latch]

im too lazy to type everything again

yeah its mostly buffs, only real debuff is probably the stam for charge

[brittle lake]

#balance-feedback-discussion message
start reading from here we talked about it

[livid ember]

This is sad

[pliant elm]

The stam cost is horribly low and takes a long time to be made and the speed reduction is only once in a while and barely noticeable, so it's just buffs he got. I love these devs xd

[uneven grove]

The stam cost was shown on a freshspawn though.

Stamina, regardless is arguably the most valuable resource.

[pliant elm]

Being a juvenile doesn't make much difference. Look at omni, troodon and carno, their abilities consume the same amount of stam as when they are adults.

[pliant elm]

Cerato has plenty of stam to run at will, don't worry about that

It's just a way to prevent him from constantly chasing you while holding the charge bite, but it still needs changes as there's no difference currently

[placid anchor]

#general-feedback message
This kind of night vision is more suitable for NVGs than animals. I like the current night vision setup for animals and think that vision should be adaptive so that we don't have to turn on night vision like robots by pressing a button. It should work automatically for animals. And it should definitely be brighter in moonlight.

[ocean coral]

@sudden hinge the name says it all

[sudden hinge]

I agree that cera needs a nerf I just think this is a bit much

I don’t need cera to be op I need it to be able to hold its own

This seems like it’ll make it unable to really defend itself or be proactive when it comes to surviving

[sudden hinge]

If you actually have feedback instead of just “muh cera main nuff said” then by all means I’m willing to discuss things

[sudden hinge]

No it really doesn’t carnos out run them easily and can catch up fairly easily people keep forgetting that cera is the slowest carnivore in game aside from deino

[junior nymph]

@sudden hinge when you bite someone and they have get half bacteria it takes 30 mins to get rid of cera was not that nerfed the patchnotes just made it seem worse than it is

its still good

[sudden hinge]

30 minutes without using salt licks?

[junior nymph]

yes.

from what I see its tied to hunger drain

[sour zinc]

Seems like most of the changes are actually a buff ngl

[sudden hinge]

How fast with salt licks? And honestly that’s fine an all but I still don’t see how that helps you either secure a kill or keep someone from killing uou

[sour zinc]

Like, infinitely charging your bite or having a 1.25x knockdown resistance is a bit...

[sudden hinge]

The only buff I really see is the defense 1.25x stability buff

[junior nymph]

its a nerf but all the stuff has a work around

so

[sudden hinge]

It’s not infinite if you use stam

[junior nymph]

and bacteria got buffed

[sour zinc]

Maybe Im missing something but, how is being able to hold your charged bite infinitely a nerf?

[junior nymph]

its barely anything

[sudden hinge]

It’s not infinite if you use stam to do it

[sour zinc]

Does it drain any significant amounts of stamina though?

[sudden hinge]

You wouldn’t want to use all your stam

[junior nymph]

if anything its more powerful in most cases

[sour zinc]

From what I've seen it barely drains any stamina but it might be different once you're fg

[sudden hinge]

I’ll test it again when I get home but i was young when I used it so it wasn’t accurate numbers

[sudden hinge]

Yeah baby stam doesn’t count I need to be full grown

I tested it as a juvi and it wasn’t anything but that’s juvi stats they have insane stam as it is

[sour zinc]

That's true, still for how long and how hard the cera domination has been over the Isle I was expecting much worse of a nerf

[junior nymph]

having something rule does not mean it needs a nerf

for example carno.

it was nerfed cause people were mad that it ruled for so long now they are begging for a buff

[sour zinc]

I mean... a couple ceras being able to stunlock a fg maia to Death is a bit weird if you ask me

[junior nymph]

it cant...

[sour zinc]

Isnt it supposed to be like, a corpse bully?

[junior nymph]

yes

[desert arch]

It uses like 0.05% per tick, Im even joking it makes like no difference

[junior nymph]

what im saying is people need to think before they beg for changes think how its going to impact the game and other playables around it and give solutions to those problems instead of begging for nerfs

[sudden hinge]

At adult or juvi?

[desert arch]

Both iirc

[sudden hinge]

I’ll check for myself today tbh

I need to actually see it in action

[junior nymph]

like they have removed soo much identity from each of the playables because of the community which I hate

[sour zinc]

I think the main problem most people have with cera, myself included, is the vomit stun, it allows packs of 4 ceras or more to basically deal an insane amount of damage to you for free without really having the chance to retaliate

Which seems a bit cheap for a supposed corpse bully

[sudden hinge]

As long as cera can survive and be capable in a fight then I’m fine with it

[junior nymph]

so how would you change it?

[sudden hinge]

I totally get that and it was a problem cera shouldn’t have been able to do that

[junior nymph]

I would do the same thing the devs did but a bit better

[sour zinc]

As it stands, to the best of my ability I would make it so the vomit stun only applies if the target is within certain range of a body which would encourage the corpse bully playstyle or keep the vomit and remove the stun alltogether

Some people might have a better solution though

[sudden hinge]

Thissss I hate that balance is effected by this when honestly most of the community doesn’t want them balanced well they just want them nerfed because they are mad at the species

[sudden hinge]

Tbf I feel like this ability would be pretty buggy to make it work

[junior nymph]

honestly the community says bad takes then the devs add said bad takes and the community says the devs dont know what they are doing like 💀

[stable crow]

yea

[sudden hinge]

For cera specifically I want corpse bully scavenger first but still be able to hunt that’s all I want not be an amazing hunter but one that can just do it if it needs too

[sudden hinge]

Exactly it’s super annoying honestly

[sour zinc]

Could be, I dont want to kill Cera its just that its does too many things at once like, Its not that slow, the charged bite can do a ridiculous amount of damage once its charged and the stunlock its just the cream on top

[sudden hinge]

Totally agree cera packs are the bane of my existence and need to be tuned down maybe these changes will be good I’ll give it the benefit of the doubt the numbers were scaring me and I haven’t been able to really get into a server and test them

I just don’t want to be unable to play due to bad mechanics and stats

I primarily play solo cera hunting what is safest and scavenging mostly so I just don’t want that being butchered

[sour zinc]

Yeah I feel you, I used to main cera back in legacy, so I have a soft spot for that creature in my heart but cera packs are just annoying, I think solely because of the vomit stunlock

[sudden hinge]

It’s weird that it’s still a thing I thought there was supposed to be a timer between stuns

[junior nymph]

the stuff the devs did was good hell the old cera was good (like ST 6.5) sooo much stuff like the slow alt bite was added to the cerato because it was supposed to reposition the vomit locking was apartt of its identity (I forgot how but it was) and the community removed it which is valid but theres been sooo much things that the community doesnt like so they remove it only to miss that and want it back or they just make something OP cera rn if it gets a lil bit more of a nerf to the charge bite speed reduction to make it more defensive and to make you actually have to find a rotten corpse instead of eating rotten meatchunks will go a long way to make cera is corpse bully scavenger neice as it has good stam to run good swimspeed to swim away from larger things and a good trot to get around the map fast.

[pliant elm]

And where's the problem with that? You don't want the cerato to be able to chase Carnos, do you? Xd

[sour zinc]

We'll see what transpires, I dont want it to be massacred by allos, if Allo is faster then it might be a problem

[junior nymph]

theres my yap on cera and the community

[junior nymph]

it shows it possibly will be but thats why it has a good swim speed.

[sudden hinge]

No I want to be able to escape them without them running me down and killing me easily

[junior nymph]

and it will have more stam

[sudden hinge]

Carno and cera stam is literally so close

[junior nymph]

I Beg for 1,8T carno

[sudden hinge]

It’s honestly crazy a creature that fast has that much stam to work with

[sour zinc]

Agree, but the cera can vomit on bodies no? Dont see how much of a problem that is since you can just, rot bodies faster

[junior nymph]

it has less than cerato

[sudden hinge]

Make it that big and gut it’s stam and I’m cool with it

[pliant elm]

You're slower but you're stronger, why do you still want to be able to run away from him?

[sudden hinge]

With the current changes idk how much stronger cera is

[sour zinc]

In a perfect world, if something is too big for you to fight it you SHOULD be able to run away from it, otherwise the game is going to feel unfair

[junior nymph]

noooo its a pursuit plains hunter cera kills it in forests carno kills cera in plains simple

cera has good turn speed carno does not

[sudden hinge]

Exactly the way the game is now it’s hard to escape things

[pliant elm]

Cerato is even stronger with these changes. The nerfs do almost nothing of effect

[junior nymph]

✅

[pliant elm]

The stam cost is extremely low and takes a long time to occur and the speed reduction is practically imperceptible.

[sour zinc]

I mean if you charge your bite they cannot knock you down since they're 1200kg as well

[sudden hinge]

I need to test them again I didn’t get to play it much but idk it’s too soon to say that

[sudden hinge]

Isn’t carno 1300kg

[junior nymph]

yes

[sour zinc]

Nvmind they're both 1300kg, mb

[sudden hinge]

Yeah they can’t knock you down but it’s likely gunna not save you from damage and it’s harder to land a charge bite now

So you might not get knocked down but you’ll still take damage

[pliant elm]

These changes were good, but they were poorly done. They still need to increase the stam cost and make the speed reduction constant while using the charge bite.

[sour zinc]

This ^

[sudden hinge]

Wait it’s not a flat speed nerf

[sour zinc]

Its ok if cera gets all of this stuff as long as they make it a bit more defensive

[sour zinc]

Only after you've been charging your bite for like 4 seconds I think

[sudden hinge]

I’m just worried that you aren’t gunna be able to move as well to defend yourself

[sudden hinge]

Oh they didn’t put that in the notes

They need to get better at explaining these things

[pliant elm]

Cerato has received 3 buffs, so don't worry

[sudden hinge]

What are the other two

I can only think of one

[sour zinc]

Yeah they said the speed reduction applies once the bite charge has been charged, so after 4 seconds or so when the bite would automatically trigger

[pliant elm]

can bet that if they don't change these nerfs and make him stronger, Cerato will be stronger than before.

[sudden hinge]

The only real buff I see is 1.25x stability

The rest are soft nerfs after explanation

[sour zinc]

Being able to charge the bite infinitely and they reduced the time you have to charge your bite to apply maximum damage and bacteria

[pliant elm]

1.25x stability, reaches maximum damage faster and the charge bite has infinite duration

[sudden hinge]

I’ll test it when I get home more but I’m still skeptical a bit on how well it works out against things like carno

[sour zinc]

You might not agree but a Cera being able to charge the bite instead of having it automatically bite once it fully charges removes any opening your opponent might have had, so now you just have to eat the maximum damage that bite does, If you're a Maia or a Carno you can run away but if you're slower that's it

[sudden hinge]

And I’m looking at this from a solo player perspective not the max cera pack kill squad perspective

[sudden hinge]

I mean most things are faster than cera tbf with dibble and stego being the only ones slower

And deino but sepsis doesn’t effect it

Like unless you ambush someone you aren’t leading with a charge bite against good player

And I’m looking at this in 1v1 not group engagements those are more chaotic

[sour zinc]

To be honest, neither Carnos nor Ceras should be hunting Dibbles or Maias unless they're really bad or they're in a big group and they find like, a lone dibble

Its understandable they do now since there's really no counter to Dibble and Maia but yeah

[sudden hinge]

Size wise I think it’s doable in groups like Maia and dibble aren’t so huge that it’s impossible but it should be a lot harder

But I rarely hunt either of those species when they are fully grown I go for the young and subs because I know I can take them on my own

[sour zinc]

Yeah I agree, but the speed at which they kill dibbles or lone maias just makes the rest of carnivores obsolete

Which points in the direction it needs changes, in one or other direction

[sudden hinge]

Completely fair would definitely want them to be harder to kill

I just don’t want to be unable to defend myself or escape situations lone ceras has that issue as it is now don’t need it to be harder to defend myself when it comes down to it

[agile shuttle]

I cannot Driink mah wata

[sudden hinge]

[sour zinc]

The niche they've given Cera its just troublesome, you cant really make any significant changes to it without completely altering its playstyle

[sudden hinge]

I’m okay with that tho because tbh I don’t see it staying a corpse bully much longer

Because with all the larger predators coming cera isn’t gunna be doing that at all

Like I feel it’ll likely be changed to be competent at hunting smaller prey in and around water sources

[sour zinc]

I dont really think we needed a corpse cleaner, bodies in the Isle dont last that long with how many carni players are usually around

A carni that is more of a survivalist and can eat rotten flesh? Yes
A carni that can rot bodies by itself, vomit stunlock people and charge its bite to do 300+ damage? uuugh

[sudden hinge]

Exactly like I enjoy being a scavenger/ hunter it’s just not gunna be viable later down the line

[urban flax]

God forbid we have one (1) carnivore with a niche that isn't about running around and killing things

[sudden hinge]

Not saying scavenging isn’t fun but it should still be able to do other things

[sour zinc]

But why not give that role to something smaller like Troodon? When we get bigger dinos its not going to be able to bully allos off a corpse, right?

[sudden hinge]

No other playables in its size range are trapped in one role

[urban flax]

If cera needs to be buffed in order to work as a scavenger, then let it be buffed for it
But if cera is too good as a hunter then it needs to be nerfed in that department

[urban flax]

Cera being a scavenger will never mean it won't be able to hunt
People get hunted by stegos and trikes in this game

[sudden hinge]

You can’t buff it to be a better corpse bully without it getting ridiculous

[sudden hinge]

You gotta be blind to get hunted by either of those species tbf

[urban flax]

Everything has a niche.
Carno is a small game hunter
Omniraptor is a bleed-focused pack hunter
Teno is a fast brawler
Dilo is a nocturnal hunter

Cerato should have one as well

[sour zinc]

What is Cera's niche?

[urban flax]

Blind or not, it's a thing that happens

[sudden hinge]

Cera being a corpse bully doesn’t work when you add Rex

[urban flax]

Right now ? A bit of everything
Conceptually ? A scavenger corpse bully

[sudden hinge]

Like you can’t be effective at something when something comes along that isn’t built for it and does it better than you

[urban flax]

It does not need to be able to guard a corpse against a rex ?

[sour zinc]

That's the problem we have right now

[urban flax]

Omni is a large game hunter, does not mean it should be able to hunt EVERYTHING larger than itself

[sudden hinge]

That’s an extreme example but it will get all of its kills stolen when more carnivores are added

It’s really not that good at capturing and securing bodies now unless you are pack of 4

[urban flax]

The ability cera has to vomit on things and make them rot is designed for the exact purpose of allowing it to deal with apexes

[sudden hinge]

Do you think a rex will see you do that and just decide not to mess with you and block the body from you?

[urban flax]

As it is right now, I don't really see that happening

[sour zinc]

How exactly? Im a bit lost here

[urban flax]

What do they gain for it ? Just go away and let it starve itself around a body it cannot eat

[sour zinc]

If a Rex kills something and its hungry, Im quite positive the body will be done by the time Ceras show up, and its not like they would be able to do much

[urban flax]

You're not supposed to be stealing fresh kills from a rex either lol

[sudden hinge]

Cera just needs to be versatile I think scavenging is good and it shouldn’t be able to kill things like dibble and Maia easily at all but I don’t think it should just be forced to body hop

[sudden hinge]

You won’t be able to steal bodies from anything bigger than you effectively is the point and most players will be playing big carnivore

[urban flax]

It's not about forcing it to do that
But being a scavenger being the optimal strategy for cera would already go a long way in giving it its proper niche

[sour zinc]

Yeah that's why I was getting confused lmao
but its not like bile rots a body instantly, and the rex might get angry as Cera pointed out

[sudden hinge]

Like the whole point is corpse bully isn’t a good niche when things that don’t even have the scavenger perks cera does can steal bodies more effectively

[sudden hinge]

It already is

[urban flax]

Cera has a charge bite, the ability to make things vomit and double health around bodies for that exact purpose tho

[sudden hinge]

Like I survive way more scavenging I just want to be able to hunt effectively too

[urban flax]

Who cares if the rex is angry
Just run away

[sudden hinge]

Yeah doesn’t help you much against an allo or two

Like cera works now as a corpse bully

[urban flax]

Expecting a cera to stand its ground against two allos is too much

[sour zinc]

Ngl the fact it has double the health near a body is quite nuts already

[sudden hinge]

It won’t when more members of the roster come to the game

[urban flax]

Then adjust it so it fits ? Idk how that's complicated to grasp

[sudden hinge]

Exactly and even that won’t do much when allo and Alberto come to the game

[urban flax]

Just like setgo got its power swing because otherwise it'd be unable to deal with apexes

[sudden hinge]

How do you adjust it so it’s not ridiculous tho

[urban flax]

If cera ends up being bad as a scavenger, then make it a better scavenger

[sudden hinge]

Honestly it would have been fine with how much damage stego does as is

[urban flax]

You're only thinking of buffing its stats, but it's not the only thing that can be buffed to make a creature viable

[sudden hinge]

I’m asking you tho what would you do to make it viable without being ridiculous

[sour zinc]

Tbf Stego got the power swing because everything was mogging it, the attacks were slow and predictable and 2 or 3 omnis could kill it unless it began camping a rock or something

[sudden hinge]

Genuinely tho

[urban flax]

Absolutely not
Not with such a slow and telegraphed attack and a 2x head damage multiplier and a predator with a pin ability

[sudden hinge]

Stego outmanuvers trikes pretty easily from what I’ve seen

And will rex be able to pin a stego?

[sour zinc]

The game is going to be....Interesting

[sudden hinge]

It really is and with mutations and strains coming too idk about how balanced it’ll be 😂

[sour zinc]

Im sure instakill mechanics will have its place under the spot in not a so distant future

Deino its fine since it relies on ambushes

But Imagine you're chilling on a field with your fg Stego and a Rex comes barreling down from the trees with its ambush, barely catches up to you and pins you for the kill

[sudden hinge]

This will likely happen when you are too small to survive the encounter I’m sure

[urban flax]

Plenty can be done
A very long hunger time so it can afford not being succesful everytime
Long-lasting vomit effects (or even transmitting actual diseases) to discourage attackers even more
Maybe, if really it can't hold its ground, an ability to tear off large chunks of meat from a body while running (so you run in, tank a hit, steal a bite and get away)

[sudden hinge]

Yeah that’d be dumb almost as dumb as Omnis being able to pin haha

[sour zinc]

Well that's more of a grapple, and doesnt happen unless the Stego drains its stamina to 0

The problem comes when you have an animal being A, that's faster than B and if it catches up to it its just death

You guys see anyone playing Dryo? Because I dont

[urban flax]

But tbh Wavepoole had better ideas for cera

[sudden hinge]

Yeah but that just leads into full blown scavenger when you could just keep scavenging as it is now and be more capable of hunting smaller game when you can as bigger predators are added

[urban flax]

Why push cera out of an actually unique niche and make it just another carno ?

[sudden hinge]

Like those are interesting abilities and could be done fun but I just don’t see it making a playable that’s gunna be rare to see as allo and other large predators come

[urban flax]

Cera being an underdog is fine

[sudden hinge]

Underdog is fine unable to fight and defend yourself is not

[urban flax]

If you can run it's fine

Not every fight is winnable, this applies to everything in the game

[sudden hinge]

Cera already has trouble with that now

Like it’s one of the slowest animals in game

Allo is getting an ability that will allow it to catch them

[urban flax]

Adding larger and slower animals won't make it harder

[urban flax]

source ?

[sudden hinge]

Wasn’t it in the game files for allos ambush speed being like 43km

[urban flax]

In fact, most of your issues comes from the assumption that allo will be OP

[sudden hinge]

Allo will be stronger than cera

That’s a fact

[urban flax]

Many "this won't be viable in the future" problems come from allo tbh

[urban flax]

Then it should be slower

Not much more complicated than that

[sudden hinge]

From what I’ve seen allo won’t be that slow even without ambush

[urban flax]

Then it should be weak

[sudden hinge]

That doesn’t change the fact tho that allo and up can just walk up and take ceras food

Even if you puke on a body it still takes time for it to rot

[urban flax]

Well yeah
Some fights aren't winnable, as I said

[sudden hinge]

And sometimes you don’t want to rot it if you need nutrients

Then make it capable of other things

That’s all I’m saying primary scavenger capable hunter if push comes to shove

[urban flax]

Cera will need to be wary of larger animals
It's not different wether it's a trike, a rex, a stego or an allo stealing your body
There isn't much you can do about it, apart from preventing them from eating it in the case of carnivores

[urban flax]

It's arguably too capable right now

[sudden hinge]

I agree but don’t make it incapable

[urban flax]

Not incapable, just less

[sudden hinge]

Solo cera really isn’t a problem tho tbf it’s just the packs

[urban flax]

So cera isn't taking on dibbles and the likes

[sudden hinge]

I think solo dibble vs 4 ceras should still be doable

Just not easy

Like cera shouldn’t easily take on prey that big at all but that goes for any predators in ceras size range

Carnos shouldn’t bary shouldn’t megalania shouldn’t

[normal shuttle]

Dunno how they could go overboard with it

The only playstyle being really “countered” now is ceras holding one charged bite for a long time

But they can completely circumvent any penalty by just rerolling it

And with the faster charged bite now they can do their hit and run better before the effects kick in

[solid pecan]

Anyone else also unable to drink any water on trike after the new update?

[woeful latch]

idk, but i couldn’t drink as pachy

i could as teno tho

not necessarily trike issue

[solid pecan]

ohk

thought it was just me. made a bug report hopefully its fixed soon

[normal shuttle]

@brittle merlin manage your stam. It is a resource that you actually have to care about now