general-feedback-discussion

[ancient kestrel]

To be fair I rarely see them

[crystal reef]

hello there is a bug with a fully grown trike when you are eating berries off the tree you get stuck i tried /unstuck did not work

[ancient kestrel]

For whatever reason their spawns are either broken or they are just way too quiet to find

[ancient kestrel]

It can happen with any herbi. Best way to fix it is to logout from sever and log back after

[crystal reef]

@ancient kestrel thank you

[covert tiger]

@modest night bro there literally is
Type /unstuck in chat

[modest night]

@covert tiger nar man my dumb ass did not know this god dame i let so many dinos die cause i kept getting stuck xD ty for telling me

[normal shuttle]

Only rabbits

But rabbits are just annoying to catch as anything but an adult troodon or unless they get stuck against a wall

[leaden bronze]

teno irl weight was about 2t so teno was a small game

[normal shuttle]

Let me guess

“BUFF CARNO IT IS USELESS NOW PLS IT CANT DO ANYTHING VS CERA OR TENO”

Is that the topic?

[urban flax]

They didn't live at the same time nor on the same continent so it wasn't
Also not 2 tons
Also irl does not matter

[normal shuttle]

Oh wait no

I just read it, teno in carno’s diet

[urban flax]

Carno is 1.3ton
Teno is 1.6ton
1.6 ton > 1.3 ton
Teno is not small game for carno

MATHEMATICS

[leaden bronze]

2>1.6

maths

[urban flax]

I didn't understand
But no, irl does not matter

[normal shuttle]

I mean…I guess juveniles are easy for carno? But honestly I’d rather have cera

And then remove dibble from diet

[urban flax]

I mean anyone can make up numbers to support their point
Look
50>2

[leaden bronze]

u cant be this dumb right?

[desert arch]

[urban flax]

Don't worry I'm not, I'm just trying to get on your level

[leaden bronze]

carno irl weight= 2,
teno irl weight = 1.6

[urban flax]

Irl weights don't matter
And you're wrong on teno's irl weight

[leaden bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-rage-bait-aizen-anime-rage-baiting-gif-16854649340389048028

have a nice day

[urban flax]

You kinda are tho

[ancient kestrel]

IRL weights irrelevany for The Isle. Period.

[normal shuttle]

Yeah

Like who cares about irl weighs

They have no influence in the game unless the dinosaurs have those same weights

[ancient kestrel]

It's game balance. If we will try to balance animals paleo-accurate we will end up with poor gameplay experience

[barren crater]

You're probably not going to get the Carno you want until mods drop

Then all of this will be irrelevant

[normal shuttle]

Carno is 1.3T and teno 1.6

So not small game

[normal shuttle]

2 point carno is never to be returned

And honestly? As a former Carno main in legacy? Fine, don’t really care. They made Carno a pretty effective small game hunter already. No need to be fictionally huge

[ancient kestrel]

Still odd that teno in carnos diet tho

Considering that teno usually 1 v 1 wins against carno

[desert arch]

And stego is in troodon's, so

[barren crater]

Smaller tenos exist tbf and I'm all for Carno having more prey items

[desert arch]

Diets are just funky

[barren crater]

Limited diet lists are lame anyways

[ancient kestrel]

troo is heavily designed to be a pack animal

[urban flax]

Diets are stupid

[desert arch]

Tiny pack animal that attacks the flanks trying to kill a creature 100x its size thats also the best flank defender in the entire game

[ancient kestrel]

As concept or diet list in general?

[desert arch]

Oh and troodon cant even get organs from stegos that are bigger than a juvenile

[urban flax]

Diet lists

They do not make sense

[desert arch]

Troodons dismount is also really short, making it super easy to hit while jumping off

[barren crater]

cerato does it well

[ancient kestrel]

Yeah. Better if all playbles will always give diets to anyone except your own kind if you are not cannibalistic. AI still should be limited in diet lists tho

Hmmm... I wanna think on what we can came up with for alberto to make it not be just permanent sub-rex role and also not too much interfere with allo.

[urban flax]

I had an idea
Did I post it ?
Lemme check

I didn't
Alberto :
3.2 tons
Very high sprint speed, with mediocre acceleration and turning that gets worse as speed increases
LMB - Powerful bite
The bite can be charged a bit like cera, which barely increases damage, but adds a lunge to it. An actual lunge that covers distance.
RMB - Dodge
Yeah, a dodge. Not a jump, more like a step back which allows to avoid some attacks
Terrible stamina economy (both lunge and dodge cost stam) but good stamina regen

The idea is to make alberto some sweaty crackhead who takes on pretty much anything but requires extra careful stamina management to not just keel over and die over the slightest mistake

Also I thought about giving its charged bite a perfect charge system, where if you release the attack at the exact right moment it deals extra damage and has basically no endlag, so you can dodge or chain it with another attack right after

[normal shuttle]

No longer bro

Wallahi, in what year are you living

Played troodon yesterday and it has goat, ptera, dryo, galli and maia in its diet

[barren crater]

ht

[normal shuttle]

Oh

[normal shuttle]

To be fair omni and troodon are much better against stego than cera imo

[desert arch]

Better=/=good at hunting it

[normal shuttle]

You need to be fast, small and agile against a slow moving glass cannon

[normal shuttle]

I mean, at least it is more feasible

[desert arch]

I guess...

[normal shuttle]

Considering everything we have in the game

Troodon and omni are just the best picks to deal with stegs

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/taters-tate-potato-potatoes-gif-26706034

[normal shuttle]

Oh like Andrew?

[normal shuttle]

Summit and hutch freaking out over stego when they only use cera was so funny

“You can only win against a stego overpacking or with cheats!”

Bruh, omni drains the stego’s stamina and ignores tactile endurance 😭

Also no bleed resist, so troodon and omni shred it in groups

[desert arch]

Really wish they tried dibblr just to see how pathetically easy it can be

[normal shuttle]

Yeah

Insane scrubs

Not only megapacking with cera but also only trying cera

[desert arch]

Troodon cant get meaningful dmg in once the stego hunkers down next to terrain. Measily 35dmg stage 0 pounces can be outhealed.

And bleeding it out that way would take hours

[normal shuttle]

Because of course the big scary carnivore should perform well against the big herbivore, just that simple

[normal shuttle]

In a 1v1 yeah

But I am confident a good troodon pack can put some 3-4 ton stegos in trouble

[desert arch]

Nah even in a group, you arent pouncing a camping stego consistently without dying

[normal shuttle]

Which is totally fair since well, it is a troodon going for an apex

[desert arch]

You never specified were talking non fgs ;-;

[normal shuttle]

Well yeah I didn’t, sorry. But in all fairness fg stego should absolutely be out of the menu

And in a survival game with growth you can find anything

Juvenile stegos are such easy pickings as a solo troo for example

Just don’t be predictable and the power swing from the fresh spawn won’t one tap you

[desert arch]

In the open its doable, but only because stam drain while latched

[normal shuttle]

Agreed

Omni performs a lot better against steg

[desert arch]

But if a stego stays in the open the whole time, it had death coming

[normal shuttle]

Indeed

PoT haters, assemble!

[vernal loom]

So I posted about a disease mechanic to discourage mix-packing/mega-packing, any thoughts?

[urban flax]

Abusable

[normal shuttle]

Terrible

Just like most other disease suggestions: it can be exploited to grief and troll

[vernal loom]

I see that now, I cant think of a way to avoid griefing with this.

[junior nymph]

there is no real way to get rid of mixpacking without it just making the game feel worse

[foggy field]

@full pewter loved your bary concept man

[frigid mesa]

Question do you guys reckon every Dino should migrate like deinocheirus for example would it be weird if a swamp dweller migrated to the grasslands

[ancient kestrel]

I mostly like it but instead of power bites it may have attack letting grab prey to the leg and either hold it hinder movement (depending on weight) or start tearing it and ripping tendons applying temporary wound which will slow down prey and increase sprint stamina cost. Attack similar to what wolfs do. Hence, I want make it wolf niche animal.

[urban flax]

Ew no, we don't need yet another animal whose purpose is to prevent the opponent from playing the game

[ancient kestrel]

What

You wrong

[urban flax]

Targeting a faster animal and slowing them down so they can't escape is exactly that
Also it implies alberto would be an ambusher

[wispy abyss]

I do m00% support to get rid of them, but this mechanic...how should it be able to detect, whether some ppl are just "checking out their cards" or general situation in which they are in, or if they really are mixpacking already, that means support each other. F.e. - you r in a raptor group and there is 1 stego close to you. They could get pretty close to it for a long period of time, just checking him out or annoying him, but they dont mixpack. If thats getting punished by a mix-pack penalty, however it might be realised, it means that from now on, attacking a species has to be done within a certain time, because if not, you are guilty of mixpacking. Understand the issue?

[frigid mesa]

Doesn’t Alberto’s concept art make it act like a wolf an animal that hunts in a pack basically making it another psuedo apex

[urban flax]

Yeah alberto's concept art is pretty meh

[ancient kestrel]

Not exactly that. It's not just death animation cutscene like pin. You either grabbing preys legg to hinder movement but little to zero damage or applying tendons rip trauma but letting go. And this trauma not exactly bone break so it can be healed a lot faster.

[frigid mesa]

Well yea it’s niche isn’t clear apart from the wolf pack mentality i basically see it as another bully Dino like cerato, deino, the apexes etc

[ancient kestrel]

I still think that sticking to wolf idea the best for this animal

[frigid mesa]

Like damn deino being a generalist crocodile already has a better niche than Alberto

[ancient kestrel]

Concept art just tells way too little

[frigid mesa]

Idk if that’s the best thing to some players they think it the niche isn’t the best and would go for a more unique playstyle

[urban flax]

I really, really don't like the idea of being able to "strike at tendons" to slow down a prey
It also does not fit alberto at all

[ancient kestrel]

Why so?

[gusty flax]

@unreal ridge so ur nerfing omni to the ground

[unreal ridge]

How

[ancient kestrel]

High stamina cost of most actions - attack hindering movement of prey - logical thing to have

[frigid mesa]

If they wanna go full wolf then give it a pin bite while the rest of the pack attack said prey similar to how wolves and wild dogs hunt boars

[gusty flax]

Nvm this is didnt see the killing part

But i dont see how it would apply to every dino

So it just one shots after 10 seconds?

Need to be more specific than “killing quickly”

[frigid mesa]

Why does Omni get slaughtered in every piece of concept art

[urban flax]

Speed is too important in this game, and making alberto a "target faster creatures and slow them down so they can't escape" both pushes it into an ambusher niche, which we already have too many of, and removes counterplay from the prey, since if it was faster than alberto, it measn it was weaker, but now it's both weaker and slower

Also Idk who looks at laberto's bodyplan and head and thinks "yeah this dude targets its prey's tendons so they cannot run away"

[unreal ridge]

It’s a speedier version of the current pin we have now

Let’s say if it takes 10 seconds from pin to death to kill a galli
Now it would take 6-7, but also galli has the ability to get away if he plays his cards right

[urban flax]

Being able to lower a target's speed is the reason why pachy has been nerfed so hard

Now imagine giving that to a hunter

[frigid mesa]

I can see Alberto being a large prey hunter using numbers to hunt dinos larger than it

[ancient kestrel]

May be a good point. I like most of your idea anyway. Just thought that copying ceras bite but with dash forward a little bit odd

[unreal ridge]

I always imagined Alberto as getting a sweep the leg ability

It grabs prey’s like hind leg and then pulls it out from under it, opening Alberto to attack

[urban flax]

Charged attacks are too universal in videogames for them to be cera's only
Also it's not even the same function

[urban flax]

Why does everyone condone zero-interactivity abilities

[ancient kestrel]

If just base alberto on what we had in Legacy - it was fast creature with poor stamina pool and powerfull bite

[ancient kestrel]

Why on earth it is zero activity if it actually more activty

[unreal ridge]

Because Alberto primarily hunts armored prey or prey with high maneuverability

If I get behind a pachyrhino or something I want to sweep the leg and get in a few bites because I was able to get around the dangerous end

[urban flax]

Grabbing a prey's leg and flipping it over is either a knockdown or a pin

[warm moss]

I was wondering if we could possibly make it were low end laptop can run the evrima game

[unreal ridge]

It’s like duplikate in invincible, there’s so many of them a few die all the time

[warm moss]

I can’t even play evrima anymore

[urban flax]

Probably not

[unreal ridge]

A low end laptop answers that question if I’m being honest

[frigid mesa]

Yea I get that but if you really want to get some attention have another Dino that’s tougher get killed

[warm moss]

I have a low end Laptop it can run everything but evrima

[unreal ridge]

Omnis also good because it’s used as the baseline creature usually, somewhat fast somewhat strong good survivability

Uses packs

Lots of versatility

[ancient kestrel]

Oh, I wasn't meaning that it supposed to knockdown nor pin. Holding is to buy time for pack members arrive to help in hunt or make an opening for them.

[urban flax]

Ok you're still preventing the prey from playing the game
Also if it's an ability that only works in packs it's eh

[frigid mesa]

Still technically a pin

[ancient kestrel]

Well prey will fight back actively draining albertos stamina

[urban flax]

It either means alberto would be useless solo or very OP in packs
None of which is good

[urban flax]

So it's a pin

[ancient kestrel]

No it's not.

Pin do lots of damage

[urban flax]

It's a low-damage pin then

[frigid mesa]

I mean Alberto is described as a pack animal it would make sense if was a horrible solo animal

[urban flax]

Nothing should be horrible solo

[frigid mesa]

So a grab?

[ancient kestrel]

Either hold prey down with little to no damage or try to apply trauma which will force prey to fight rather than keep running

[unreal ridge]

I’m just saying if we give everybody the abilities to pin and stun the other it makes combat more even

It would readd the sense of fragility and bring in the necessary precautions predators and prey must use when interacting with one another

If I make a bad move I lose a ton of health and if I’m a carnivore that prevents me from hunting

If I’m a herbivore that weakens me to future attacks

The only problem is that stuns are too widely available in this game, you should have to have specific situations to bring someone to the ground, forcing them to make a mistake

If I get around you and you are a ceratopsian I should be able to exploit that weakness
And if I ram you while you are distracted you should topple over

[urban flax]

Low-damage pin or legbreak
Nothing's wrong here

[urban flax]

It makes combat even more boring yea

[unreal ridge]

Now I know you didn’t read the whole thing so I’ll say it again
Specific situations should be exploited upon, stuns should happen when you make a mistake, they should not be forced into combat

Think sparring

[ancient kestrel]

Less boring than legacys circling and tail biting cycle

[urban flax]

Watching helplessly as my dino gets pinned or watching helplessly as my opponent has a faster turn radius than me ? The choice is tough

[unreal ridge]

For example carno is super fun when you can sweep people off their feet, completely throw them
Carno’s footsteps get louder and it’s turn radius gets worse so if you don’t pay attention you get murdered

[ancient kestrel]

It was specifically told by devs that a lot of animals would have grab or crowd control attacks

[ancient kestrel]

It's not a pin if you can fight it back

[unreal ridge]

How helpless can you be if you can inflict the same damage onto an opponent

Only few dinosaurs should receive pins but stuns are a completely different thing

Like Rex’s side shove, if someone goes past my face I can body slam into alt attack to show they should’ve been more careful, simply dodging and exploiting hitboxes won’t work anymore if everyone has the ability to fight you off

[ancient kestrel]

Ofc it will be horrible if there is zero interaction for pinned prey

[urban flax]

If the only "fighting back" you can do is waste the attacker's stam, it is 100% a pin

[ancient kestrel]

Which isn't the case for my idea of it

[frigid mesa]

Not really when it makes you think smart

[ancient kestrel]

Here is thing - it won't prevent alt-bite attcks and will be countered by those

[unreal ridge]

the only times pinning is 100% a pin is in 3 cases
Omniraptor group pin, which is fair since if you are attentive you can constantly scrape off Omnis before they can all latch on, and if they exhaust you, you made a mistake which they capitalize on

Deinosuchus grab - it’s an 8 ton crocodile, letting you fight out of its grab would invalidate deino

Rex grab - it’s a 9 ton tyrannosaur, the grab would shatter your ribs on impact so even if you didn’t get grabbed you are dying in 1-2 bites

And I guess when spino flips Anky

[frigid mesa]

And to touch on about deinosuchus grab it’s a crocodile their jaws are made to clamp on and not let go

[unreal ridge]

Crocodile jaws slam shut and don’t open very well

That’s why if you sit on an alligators mouth they can’t reopen it

even if you have a good grip strength

[frigid mesa]

True

[frigid mesa]

If they were to add another crocodile which one would most likely to be added

For me I would say sarco

[urban flax]

Why would they add another crocodile

[drowsy nimbus]

Because it's awesome

[urban flax]

I feel like you didn't get it
I asked "why would they add another crocodile" ?

[drowsy nimbus]

Because it's awesome

[frigid mesa]

The same reason why there are adding carcha

It does the same thing as acro and giga

[drowsy nimbus]

I think the addition of sarcosuchus would be pretty cool

[urban flax]

So roster bloat ?

[frigid mesa]

Well yea it being basically a gharial except it can eat other semi aquatics

[urban flax]

So subadult deino

[frigid mesa]

How does that make it a sub adult deino?

[urban flax]

Same looks
Same abilities
Same niche

[frigid mesa]

In what world do they look the same?

They look completely different

[drowsy nimbus]

No deinosuchus and sarcosuchus look alot different, and one would probably imagine that the devs would change things to make it different

[urban flax]

Croc/croc but slightly smaller

[frigid mesa]

Deinosuchus is a alligator sarco is a crocodile

[drowsy nimbus]

Yeah no

[urban flax]

Cool
That's defiinitely a HUGE difference

[frigid mesa]

With that logic Ava, Diablo and trike are the same

[urban flax]

They're so different that absolutely anyone can differentiate gators from crocs at first sight, never confuse them and absolutely DO NOT need to use menmotecics to tell them apart

[urban flax]

They're very similar yeah
But at least they're given different niches

[drowsy nimbus]

As we can see there's a pretty large difference between the two animals

[frigid mesa]

They aren’t given different niches they do the same thing but the different is that one is bigger than the other

[urban flax]

LOL

[normal shuttle]

Quad carch:

[urban flax]

You're literally proving my point XD

[drowsy nimbus]

No not really man

[frigid mesa]

They are adding a 4th?

[frigid mesa]

Which is what?

[urban flax]

"As you can see they're quite different"
shows an image depicting several crocs that look the exact same save for color differences

[normal shuttle]

No, but making Carch a quadruped apex that excels at traversal would be awesome and grounded in the setting

[normal shuttle]

^

Size isn’t everything. They would need to be meaningfully distinct mechanically

[drowsy nimbus]

Maybe you're just flatout stupid I guess that's not really my fault 😭💔

[normal shuttle]

Their role, their design. Not just the name and looks

[normal shuttle]

Ironic

[icy lion]

Knock it off

[drowsy nimbus]

Nah its okay

[frigid mesa]

So the trio is now a squad

[normal shuttle]

I mean, Filipe said a while ago carch was planned and I (as well as others) argue that it could exist in the game without being roster bloat and just a giga clone like it is in Ark

You could make Carch genuinely interesting

Even with the main archetypes for megatheropods already taken

[frigid mesa]

I hope it isn’t just a copy and paste as giga

[normal shuttle]

hence why several people advocate for turning it at least into a facultative quadruped giant carnivore

with enhanced movement and traversal to make it stand out

[frigid mesa]

If sarco were to be added what we know of it is that sarco was definitely more like a gharial except it can also eat some land dinos due to it’s size

[drowsy nimbus]

Probably yeah

[frigid mesa]

Explain more about the enhances movement?

[normal shuttle]

good swimming and limited climbing

climbing stuff like some rocks, not too tall fences and some buildings

[frigid mesa]

With it’s diet consisting of the fish and semi aquatic playables like bary sucho deinocheirus ect, I would like sarco and many of the other semi aquatic playables being dinos that don’t migrate

[urban flax]

It's literally deino with a different diet lol

[frigid mesa]

Oh yea so it being basically a bloodhound is what I’m guessing good traversal to track down its prey

[ancient kestrel]

Yeah enough aquatic crocs in this game at least. Land ones on other hand...

[frigid mesa]

Ohh there’s Quinkana, kapro pick which one

[ancient kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-prehistoric-planet-2-simosuchus-gif-16613161849453679072

[frigid mesa]

Ohh pug

[ancient kestrel]

Ok that one is for a joke because enough burrowers planned already

[urban flax]

Actually there isn't that many

[ancient kestrel]

Both too small

[urban flax]

There's dryo, taco, minmi and homalo

And then there's ava and mega as burrow invaders

[ancient kestrel]

Dryo, proto, homalo, minmi. Ava but it just will usurp burrows

[frigid mesa]

Yea but i don’t know if megalaina counts as a burrower since in it’s concept we only see it raiding burrows

[frigid mesa]

Well what land croc do want that’s big like deino apart from doing what the devs did to spino which is get a big crocodile like purussaurus and making that a land croc or upsizing one like falasosuchus

[ancient kestrel]

The land crocs I really want are either loricata family members or sebecids

[frigid mesa]

Ohh those guys

[ancient kestrel]

Likely bigger ones than megalania

[frigid mesa]

So falasosuchus but make him bigger

He’s already bigger than megalania

[ancient kestrel]

It's big on it's own. 3-4 T is already solid size

[frigid mesa]

Oh yea I forgot about that

That puts an apex if he was added to the current version of the game

[latent olive]

i was going to say this is AI, but the miss spellings seem human
#general-feedback message

[dawn hound]

@unreal ridge #general-feedback message I really love this idea and the drawing too, but I kinda dont get the part to what happens to for example herrerasaurus, troodon or dryosaurus, which are very tiny compared to the omniraptor. How would it look like, for an omniraptor struggling to hold prey that is 2x or many times smaller than itself?

No hatred, im just asking how could it look like for something so tiny to hold off something so big in comparison

[compact sequoia]

i am not ai 😦

[urban flax]

It looks AI

[urban flax]

No, your feedback is

[compact sequoia]

but its not ...😂 Lol

[urban flax]

Then can you explain concretely what are you asking for ?

[compact sequoia]

i am just asking for more diverse ecosystems

firstly i want more different types of creatures in the game where the environment is already there and empty like swamps and seas also i have seen empty small islands which we can make into a bigger island so dinosaurs have to cross to reach them giving their meeting with marine dinosaurs such as Mosasaurus and megalodons which can also be added and more others instead of a one single huge island.(giving life to the empty seas)

secondly to add Spinosaurus and baryonix for deinosuchus issue and empty swamps ,

also gigantosaurus and carcha and large herbivorus dinosaurs for the game

[urban flax]

You realize most of what you're asking for is currently in development, right ?

[compact sequoia]

i know that giga and large sauropod will come

but the rest are not

[urban flax]

Spino and bary will, carchar too (sadly), the rest are just bad ideas

[compact sequoia]

You like empty seas ? no marine dino ?

[ancient kestrel]

Marine aquatics aren't planned

(Seemingly)

[urban flax]

Why would I want marine dinos when I'm not planning to go into the sea anyway

[compact sequoia]

that why i want a series of distributed isalnds instead of a big only one which can be connected by sea with watery path

so we can add and balance marine dinos

[urban flax]

Sounds annoying to traverse

I'd rather have a fully functional terrestrial ecosystem, then maybe look at an aquatic one

[ancient kestrel]

Marine dinos never existed lol. You mistaking sauropterygians, ichtiosaurids and mososaurids with dinos

[compact sequoia]

marine dinos i mean mossasurus megladon not literaly a dinosaurs in species term but yeah

[ancient kestrel]

To be fair devs really should fill those islands around gateway with something cause they have 0 value now

[compact sequoia]

i hate the empty island and empty seas... breaks immersions

[ancient kestrel]

Game is in development

Just wait till they finish it

[urban flax]

You have a very big and not-empty island that makes 90% of the map

[compact sequoia]

which is 50 % empty

and just coverd with non eatable plants

[urban flax]

So lets make it emptier by splitting the playerbase between land and ocean, great idea

[urban flax]

That's how this game works
It's not hard to find food as a herbivore

[compact sequoia]

but sad life for a medium carniovore

or big

[urban flax]

Is it ?

The huge amounts of ceras I see running around tend to say otherwise

[compact sequoia]

solo players 🙂

you can always hunt medium herbi as a pack

try reading the feedback day to day you will find why there is a huge food problem for solo players carno cera etc

[urban flax]

I read the feedback channels every day, the only issue is cera overpopulation

[compact sequoia]

what can they do easy dino play....if pack makes it more easier no allo , trex, giga , carcha....games still in dev since 2021 ;)....they have ruined deino gameplay in gateway map...prevously they made deino very overpowered....game has no thrill if you play solo...you always get eaten by mix pack or thrown into the air by a hacker how much you try solo play which is not cool.

[urban flax]

Deino gameplay is good where it is
Hackers are a different issue
You can absolutely play solo, that's what I do most of the time

[compact sequoia]

solo gameplay sucks ...especially as medium carnivore....its boring same highlands and same locations for food rest of the map is empty swamps,ports etc....deino has become more of a cannibal dino which its not...95% time you eat fish or other deinos....and rest 5% is a noob player who does not know where to drink or cross. and stego dibble are impossible to kill for a solo just you can do if they are small....stego,dibble has no predator not even deino as map makes its fully possible to avoid deino if you know where to cross or drink : )

[urban flax]

Well if deino wasn't possible to avoid that would be a huge issue considering the only counterplay to being eaten by one is to never meet one
As for diablo and stego, you aren't forced to go after those as a solo carnivore... But if that's really what you want rex is literally the next dino to relese after trike

[latent olive]

is it time to use the image

[compact sequoia]

in reality a adult deino if bites a adult stego once should be able to criticaly injure it....highest bitefore ever.....funny is that in game adult stegos literally try to bait deinos

[urban flax]

I know you want to
Let your desires drive you wild

[latent olive]

it is

[latent olive]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1355137607633211563/deinosuchussarcasm.png?ex=67e7d5be&is=67e6843e&hm=62a04add20944c6fd9b7573f0ed898abb4d75658ac265ceedd2093dce32d04af&

[urban flax]

Aaaahhhh yessssss
Irl deino had 10 000x the biteforce of t-rex it should oneshot everything in the game that'd be fair and balanced and fun

I never get tired of that

[latent olive]

it WOULD be funny though, turning the rivers into a western showdown between Deinos over who gets the first bite

[compact sequoia]

in game adult deino fights are like that

[latent olive]

yeah cos deino vs deino combat sucks

[compact sequoia]

Adult deinos ......they also had the longest growth time to reach such power

[latent olive]

deino’s massive IRL bite force is translated in game to its RMB attack

it can grab and hold anything at 4 tons, and 6 tons if it’s swimming

[compact sequoia]

if trex has life of 35 yrs aprox...deino needed 30yrs to just reach adult

[compact sequoia]

biteforce is joke i the game

[urban flax]

The ability to oneshot anything 6 tons or less if they're swimming (which includes stego) is a joke to you ?

[compact sequoia]

if they cannot balence deino or stego why not nerf them both why only stego gets to keep its power and deino is made a joke

[latent olive]

you see, there’s a secret tactic for deinosuchus in that conflict

turning 180 degrees and swimming away

[urban flax]

They're balanced the way they are

[compact sequoia]

adult stego trying to bait a deino in the water for fun is the joke i am sick off sadly

[urban flax]

What's really a joke is that deinos take the bait

It's fishing with only the hook and no bait and people still fall for it

[compact sequoia]

if deino bit its tail just before the spikes its would just come clean off

where is such mechanic?

[urban flax]

Is it something you're suggesting or are you just making funny irl comparisons ?

[compact sequoia]

suggesting

[urban flax]

bruh

Actual eat grass and die moment

[icy lion]

Deino mains try not to make the objectively worst balance suggestions challenge: impossible

[compact sequoia]

i dont know why you guys like stego so much

[urban flax]

Sure deino should be rewarded for attacking a stego (outside of its hunting range) and biting its main weapon and defence by making stego unable to defend itself for the rest of its life and become easy prey for the first thing that sees it

[urban flax]

We're trying to compensate for you hating it so much

[compact sequoia]

its boring game play so much op

[urban flax]

It's the law of equivalent exchange

[compact sequoia]

i am a carno main : )

[compact sequoia]

i am not hating it...i am just saying its not real even for a bioengineering made dino

[urban flax]

Nothing is realistic in this game

[icy lion]

None of the bite forces are real, they're just damage numbers

[compact sequoia]

then nerf the stego

[urban flax]

Deino oneshotting stego with a headshot would be more realistic sure, but terrible for gameplay
And that would also imply stego hitting a deino's head with its tail would oneshot it aswell

[compact sequoia]

done deal

[urban flax]

Why ? So carnivores can live their power fantasy without meeting resistance ?

[cyan flame]

And what will you do, when rex, trike, shant, giga, and all the others start baiting deinos instead?

[compact sequoia]

who can hunt adult stego in public branch ??

[icy lion]

Deinos, ceras, omnis, dilos, diablos, tenos

Good troodons

[urban flax]

Other stegos too

[compact sequoia]

catfish

[cyan flame]

Yeah, all that, multiple that can, given numbers and circumstances

[urban flax]

Who can hunt adult deino in the public branch ?

[cyan flame]

And then we're getting trikes, that can, well, "hunt" stegos too

[urban flax]

thank the Replicator trike was slowed down

[compact sequoia]

deino gameplay is the most difficult in the game

[urban flax]

lol

[cyan flame]

What hunts adult deino? And what will you do when rex and trike do the same thing stego does, nerf them too?

[urban flax]

Nah he's just gonna switch to rex and forget about the existence of deino, like 80% of current deino mains

[compact sequoia]

adult deino should be difficult to reach in the game....it is the ultimate apex in its adult...for adult deino to be hunted by adult deino or in land if it gets caught by stego trex etc.....but its is unreal for stegos to jump in water and get bitten and not get dragged or etc....deino should be the most powerful asset in the water.....i have seen trike jump in the water and fight adult deino

[urban flax]

Adult stego does get dragged if it jumps into the water
Trike is a different thing, it's an apex
And tbh, I don't think a trike could win a fight against a semi-decent deino in the water

[compact sequoia]

i am a carno main...i just cant take a trike trying to fight a adult deino in water for fun....its bad

[cyan flame]

You can grab swimming stegos, they don't jump into the water after you. You won't be able to grab trikes however, so they can do it, and they will. Deino is also not the most powerful in the water, that'll be spino, from what we know. Deino is not an apex any more than stego is, if they are at all.

[urban flax]

Maybe if deino players were less insistent on taking on every potential fight they see, that would happen less often

[cyan flame]

Well, deino is not meant to be that powerful, nor is stego, they're matched, both rex and trike are well above them, so you'll see rexes jump into the water too I'm sure

[urban flax]

I once saw an adult deino chase a herd of maias and a dibble on land for 10 minutes

[icy lion]

relevant developer comments

[urban flax]

But rex is a carnivore so it's fine

Carnivores going out of their way with unrealistic behavior killing everything they see = fine
Herbivores doing the same = not fine

[compact sequoia]

game is going to become more of path of titans like : (....unreal...arcade...time to leave

[cyan flame]

I never will get that, why it's a particular dino doing something being good or bad, when you get the same result from three other dinos doing it, and it's not going to get better or worse for you

[urban flax]

You'll be sorely missed

[icy lion]

I'm sorry your punch-down predator can't kill things that objectively outclass it

[cyan flame]

Why would it become like PoT because of that? Stego can't fight trike or rex, doesn't mean we get PoT from that

Not sure where you get the arcade from because a matchup doesn't go the way you think it should

[ancient kestrel]

No game will benefit with hard realism because... Realism sucks

It just not fun for gameplay.

[urban flax]

Star Citizen !!!

Wait it's a bad example

[urban flax]

Rock simulator !!!

[ancient kestrel]

Is that a thing?

[urban flax]

Most realistic game ever

[ancient kestrel]

Unrelated but will be funny if parry mechanic will be introduced in The Isle in some form. And then add "you died" text every time chrachter dies

[urban flax]

Pachy used to have it

But I really think some playables should actually have a ofrm of parry
Like anky, and magy

[compact sequoia]

thats a good realistic game.....

[ancient kestrel]

...

[urban flax]

He's beyond saving

[ancient kestrel]

It's not even a game.

[compact sequoia]

two types of games exist arcade and realistic......arcade is like path of titans health bar of not based on real facts or science....... realistic based on real physics or facts most are simulators or simulator like eg war thunder

[ancient kestrel]

If you want realism - go play IRL. The most realistic gameplay. You will definitely enjoy it.

[ancient kestrel]

War Thuder isn't so realistic as you think of. It is made believable but not realistic.

[compact sequoia]

already pretty good at it.....i should not have purchased this game based on its trailer....it took 4 yrs to add trex and etc...and isnt even balenced

[ancient kestrel]

You can play T-rex on Legacy branch right now.

[compact sequoia]

dude....you even played star citizen war thunder etc ?

[compact sequoia]

empty 🙂

[ancient kestrel]

I used to play latter a lot

[urban flax]

This is false
Videogames are not black and white, there are different degrees of realism

[ancient kestrel]

Not so.

No official servers but plenty of community ones

[urban flax]

War Thunder isn't even full realism, the devs have stated many times they forego realism in favor of gameplay
They mention that a lot whenever someone leks classified military documents so their favorite tank can be buffed

Realism is only so good as long as it does not hamper gameplay

[compact sequoia]

they make changes if it comes out....takes years not to bring attention on it

[ancient kestrel]

Secret documents leak happened yesterday again btw

[urban flax]

You can't put Tetris and battlefield in the same category saying they're both arcade because they'r enot fully realistic

[compact sequoia]

they are arcade....they are not simulators like games

[urban flax]

They make changes as they see fit, not because their in-game tank isn't an exact 1:1 replica of what the tank could actually do irl
Which is not possible anyway since it would require simulating accurate real-world physics, which is impossible to do with our current technology

[urban flax]

The world of videogames isn't a binary world where there's only arcade games and simulators

[ancient kestrel]

Even simulator games aren't full realism. Because certain amount of realism tends to destroy gameplay balance and point of such gameplay

[urban flax]

Simulators are a game genre like any other, most of them aren't even realistic to begin with

[compact sequoia]

they do...man you are not well informed....they have literally a sim mode

[compact sequoia]

they try to be as much as possible

[urban flax]

Depends on which
Most simulator games nowadays are just trying to make money of cheap game development and hoping streamers will play their wonky games

[compact sequoia]

deinosucus feels more like sarosuchus....if so why not remove it and add sarosuchus?....they have the option to make it more realistic...but they do not...they will be adding hypnos etc....this game will fall under arcade....path of titan like....it already has pink stegos...which is funny

[urban flax]

the west has fallen...

Wait what pink stegos

[ancient kestrel]

Going back to topic of the Isle you wouldn't enjoy fully realistic The Isle because:
1)It won't load on anything except super computer
2)Balance would be broken because half of the roster kill each other in 1 hit
3)Realism would prevent any creativty in animal abilities which will make them less fun to play
4)herbivores woul be even easier to grow because they will be able eat most plants in the jungle safe
...
I can continue this list to eternity

[compact sequoia]

i saw a pink stego

[urban flax]

Unofficial server then

[urban flax]

Also in order for The Isle to be fully realistic, you'd need to remove players from it because players don't behave like dinosaurs would

So there it is, fully realistic The Isle : Prehistoric Planet
There you have it

[ancient kestrel]

@compact sequoia if you really want true dinosaur simulator - play Saurian. But the Isle isn't about realism - it's an immersive survival-horror. And according to the survival-horror genre it supposed to be less realistic because otherwise no survival-horror gameplay

[hidden pilot]

Me when an Indie game moves at Indie game speed

[compact sequoia]

I still think removing deinosucus and adding sarosuchus will be better as current gameplay is literally a sarosuchus with deino name and size

[ancient kestrel]

How you can tell that deino feels like sarco if no sarco in game

Anyway just meet the reality that paleo-accurate simulator - isn't genre of this game

[compact sequoia]

weaker bite much weaker bite and it in its adult form cant theoretically take down an adult stego

[ancient kestrel]

But it don't. Because balance

[urban flax]

That kansei drift
"Deinosuchus needs to be buffed to kill stego !"
"Deinosuchus needs to be nerfed !"

Strongest 180 I've ever seen

[compact sequoia]

you don't get me

[urban flax]

That's right
I absolutely don't get you

[ancient kestrel]

Islecord moment

[compact sequoia]

i am saying adult stego should not be dancing in water to bait adult deinosucus and trikes chasing adult deinosucus in water......its not at all balenced

i accept that stego should critically damage deino if it hits first ✅

[urban flax]

Considering deino can onseshot everything else in the roster bar none with zero possible counterplay, I'd say it is

[compact sequoia]

i explain as simple as possible

adult deinosucus vs adult stego... should be a mutual destructive match up...with both parties bleeding out

stego will have land advantage if it out turns deino in land....also deinosucus should have water advantage if it lunges and etc

what is wrong with this ?

[urban flax]

Deino is really just a punch-down predator, it has no business being able to go toe-to-toe with something the size of stego

If deino was reworked in a way that made it less stupid and oppressive, then maybe it could be given more combat capabilities
But as it is currently, it has no reason to be buffed at all

[compact sequoia]

now i dont understand you 🥲

[urban flax]

Deino is perfectly adapted for killing everything 4 tons and less

That's what it is

That's its niche

It doesn't need to also be perfectly adapted for killing things over 4 tons, because balance gets in the way

That's already over 80% of the full roster on the menu

With no possible counterplay

[compact sequoia]

how come ?....deino will not attack adult stego or trike in land as it know if it misses it is a near death fight......stegos would not bait deinosucus no more and trike wont try to attack it in water as they know it will be a near death fight...so where balence is not proper...?

[urban flax]

Deino will attack adult stego or trike on land because deino players can't be trusted to take sensible decisions

If it's a 50/50 fight then deinos will pick it all the time

Although deino has absolutely no reason to ever go after something that size on land

If a deino goes on land after a stego, or a trike, or a rex, or anything of that size, it rightfully deserves to be smacked into oblivion

[compact sequoia]

then it will die...one hit critical...next hit dead

[urban flax]

that's already what happens, which is fine

[compact sequoia]

same for stegos trike trex in water

👍🏻✅

now you get me

finally 😁

[urban flax]

But they DO die if they go into water
Especially stego since deino can drown it

Deino does not need a buff

[compact sequoia]

no...they dance around in water

i can get them only if they are properly swimming

deino needs same power as it faces in land

in water

[urban flax]

Keyword "when swimming"
If they're not swimming they're not in deino's territory, they're on the shore

@raven raptor Voice chat is planned for humans
However dinos won't be able to understand it, they're gonna hear radio static instead

[raven raptor]

That makes sense

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message lmaooo😭😭😭😭

[stone spire]

can we a call ban for players or a massive cooldown

this mia spam is getting worse

na 6 last night, its everywhere and i can it across nearly the entire map

[urban flax]

Just kill it

[ancient kestrel]

Creaturse getting hoarse if they spam calling

[stone spire]

hes respawning and continuing

sure sounds they sound hoarse does nothing for the volume

[icy lion]

@stone spire Please do not give out others' locations

[stone spire]

whats worse calling out someone spamming the entire server or a huge general location?

people from swamp, south plains west rail and i think north lake can all hear this

[bleak kestrel]

Ngl what dino you guys think shouldnt be added but its planned?

[urban flax]

carchar

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah expected that...

Honestly i think carcar if done correctly could be interesting

[urban flax]

If by "correctly" you mean quadrupedal then I agree

Then it's acro

[bleak kestrel]

It doesnt really need to be qyadrupedal ngl

You can make it have some special abillity like venom

[urban flax]

But it would be better if it was quadrupedal

Being visually distinct from other similar dinos is important as well

I also think venomous carchar is kinda stupid

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah but i dont really belive they will make it quadrepedal

[urban flax]

You must start believing before it can become a reality

[bleak kestrel]

Still i dont think they would go with quadrepedal

Jaguar idea is interesting tho

I generally think it should be very agile and fast for his size

But it also could be very heavy

Ngl kinda dispointed we dont have any more ankykosauroids

[stark spade]

I think it would be to hard to add Variety to that, since they are all pretty similar in size, build, etc

[gritty heart]

We need edmontonia

[gritty heart]

It’s like adding a set of twins where one grew slightly less

[bleak kestrel]

Edmontonia isnt like smillar to anky in size?

I were talking about like mid tier

[gritty heart]

Did you mean smaller or similar? I mean it’s not the biggest difference, but it’s notable.

Antarctopelta would be a similar, even smaller, option

[bleak kestrel]

I think sauropelta is better idea cause it got that huge spike on shoulder could be some cool abillity

[stark spade]

I think anky will be high mid tier, kinda doubt it will be as strong as something like trike

[bleak kestrel]

It will...

[gritty heart]

And Ofc minmi will be even smaller

[bleak kestrel]

Ankykosaurus is like supposed to fight of rex i think

I dont get why it wouldnt be any apex...

[stark spade]

Now that i think of it, makes sense, high defense, strong offense, deserves Apex

My bad

[bleak kestrel]

Also its like heavier than stego...

[stark spade]

But definitly curious how they will make its attack, hope it has a bigger range then in legacy, because that attack was basicly useless

[gritty heart]

Sauropelta is basically just bigger antarctopelta so it really just depends on the size we want.

[bleak kestrel]

I think it will basicaly be hard to kill and way more durable than steg

[bleak kestrel]

Id say 3 tons

Cause kentro would be like 1+ and i think seperating wieght wise stegosauroids and ankykosauroids its good idea

I belive attack would be like shoulder attack and also small charge or even heatbutt

Also nice thing would be if smaller dinos could get on top of ankykosauroids lol

[gritty heart]

edmontonia might fit that a bit more, but it wouldn't be hard for them to just upsize ant/sauro to edmontonia size, since they really just have bigger spikes

[bleak kestrel]

I want sauro cause of that shoulder spike

[gritty heart]

I wouldnt mind at all if there was a size range of dinos that couldn't hurt it from on top but could be on it. Would be funny to have a fight on its back

[bleak kestrel]

I think every dino should be able to harm in expect the moment when its in armor stance where it uses armor to protect itself

I do think dinos should be able to deal damage to it but if they are to small they cant

[gritty heart]

I mean specifically when the small guys are on top. I could see little guys not being able to at all/requiring a minimum damage amount(which would make it more damage capability than raw size), but I mostly just want to make sure small guys can just hop on and munch

[light trench]

think they should do a small re work to raptors run these dinos are supposed to be able to run for miles no? then how come dilo out runs a raptor if it does even one pounce. Yet dilo weighs more to. think stam drain is good for pounce but dont think you should lose as much stam running as raptor?!----plz everyone wanna know your thoughts if you play raptor?

[woven bane]

omni has a run time of 2 minutes and 45 seconds, its also pretty fast allowing to cover decent distances

[patent gull]

@edgy flax why not

or what do u not like, just wanna know

[edgy flax]

when im at north lake theres people

r u playing on officials

[light trench]

yeh but you cant hunt if somthings on the move thats your size or bigger drains to much stam they have to fight you or your cooked? so if somthing like a dilo wanted to all they gotta do is just run away?

[patent gull]

yeah but they are pretty much all adults

[edgy flax]

because theres a sanctuary near so the babys gonna go there

also northern jungle isnt far from north lake

[woven bane]

stamina drain dosent really matter all that much considering that omni does good bleed ensuring the opponent can’t get far

[edgy flax]

and if u play on officials ofc theres empty spaces cus only 100 players

[patent gull]

well i am making a suggestion for 130 player servers (currently what we have in hordetest if im not wrong) and theres like no one ever at north lake

and i dont see how unofficials wouldnt benefit either from more diverse growing spots on the map

[edgy flax]

unofficials have more players meaning more players at north lake, look at petits pied theres like always people there

[patent gull]

still not nearly as much as south plains and west rail

and you will realize this is kind of needed especially with triceratops

[edgy flax]

theres always gonna be a hotspot no?

putting spawn zones at north lake isnt gonna stop hot spotting

[patent gull]

obviously, but i dont see how more traffic at a less populated part of the map is a bad thing

wheres the downside

[edgy flax]

and like i said north jungle is near north lake, north lake spawn zone was even removed to be at north jungle

[patent gull]

cuz who wants to spawn at north lake with no sanctuary and no ai

[edgy flax]

see

[earnest rock]

Are Dilos' clones invisible for you too? My friend just died from it :/

[edgy flax]

🤣

[patent gull]

see what???? in my suggestion i said increase ai spawns and add a sanctuary????

[edgy flax]

north jungle has that so i dont think its needed

where would u even add the sanctuary

[patent gull]

i literally highlighted it with red

[edgy flax]

and who goes to the beach?

[patent gull]

people who want to go to the sanctuary???

i dont see how this is a bad thing even for unofficial servers

[edgy flax]

theres a sanctuary near north jungle already

not needed literally

[patent gull]

this kid doesnt listen

🤣

[edgy flax]

??

let me have my opinion

[patent gull]

imagine u spawn here as a baby triceratops going 12km/h u are not running all the way to northern jungle sanc lol. Also who would go back to north lake after going to the northern jungle sanc

[edgy flax]

triceratops doenst have north jungle spawn so

[patent gull]

...

kid didnt even read the suggestion holy

🤣 🤣

[ancient kestrel]

Personally I think we migh need just may be another mid tier carni instead of 5th apex carni (lmao).

[edgy flax]

triceratops doesnt need a north jungle or north lake spawn zone

[patent gull]

we will get allo after rex

[ancient kestrel]

You not getting a context

[patent gull]

in what world does it not 💀 in what world is triceratops spawning in the 2 hotspots good

[light trench]

🤣 💯

[edgy flax]

be careful then? just walk out of the hotspots lol

[patent gull]

u will never see a not fg trike in north lake and even then. as a fg trike u are slow as hell and probably looking for action YOU WILL NOT FIND ACTION AT NORTH LAKE

[light trench]

deff rage baiting

[edgy flax]

ive seen triceratops at north lake

[patent gull]

yeah idk this guy is so weird lol

[light trench]

wouldnt even bother

[edgy flax]

r u calling me weird because i have a different opinion then u?

also u asked me why i ❌ voted so

[patent gull]

these are the only 2 triceratops spawn points, please tell me how and why it is a bad idea to add one to north lake if a sanctuary is added

no triceratops will ever go to north lake unless they are a adult, and once they are an adult they will be unkillable anyways except if it gets canni'd or a rex kills it

[edgy flax]

u dont need a sanctuary at every spawn point, also north lake spawn doesnt exist...

[patent gull]

AHUREITBIOUPM *())U(Y_E&PGOIUYIOHYRIIOPHDLJGRFKSKUIOPKJLHGFVGUIOKHFJJGVBKJUHYIOFGVBJKMN

kid u are ragebaiting this is not even an opinion anymore

[patent gull]

WHAT part of this do u not understand

[indigo gulch]

?????? What is this spawn location? That’s awful!

[patent gull]

yep thats the triceratops spawn locations rn

[indigo gulch]

Bruh

Why would you put them there and only there

The most popular spots too

[patent gull]

idk, adding north lake would help a lot

like why did they add ANOTHER south plains spawn location 😭

[indigo gulch]

Yeah honestly

[patent gull]

actually triceratops has 1 more spawn location

which is highlands lol

[indigo gulch]

-_-

[patent gull]

ANOTHER hotspot

[indigo gulch]

Bro carnivores would KILL for that🤣

Literally

[eternal moss]

1/10 rage bait at that

[wooden agate]

this is just untrue lol

they also have a highlands spawn and a southern beach spawn

and i mean yeah, its not hard to leave hotspots if you spawn within them especially as a herbivore

as cera, it was more understandable due to you relying on that first meal

but nothing is stopping you from making the run to beach sanc or swamp sanc instead of the HELL that is SP sanc or sticking around that area

[normal shuttle]

Spawning as a dibble in sp

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[wooden agate]

even then, swamp sanc i genuinely do not touch SP sanc right now unless i desperately need to

i know the main issue wasnt sanc's in the suggestion and was spawns but trikes spawns right now arent unworkable

my first trike was able to reach FG and my first reaction when spawning in SP was "screw this, im going to swamp"

swamp is underrated for herbivores i fear, atleast growing ones

[normal shuttle]

Real

Swamp is such a nice place for herbis ngl

Other than steg and maybe trike imo but the rest can get a very good diet there

Although my favorite spot for growing herbivores is probably east plains or the water access sanctuary with its nearby patrol

[wooden agate]

i like the beach PZ water access has

like if you're on the lake side of the dam, it would be the beach on the right instead of turtle beach with dilo/carno/omni spawns

its really flat out there, has good coastal diet spawns, and some good forest ones ocassionally

plus you have the PZ you mentioned above it near the sanc to fall back on for jungle plants in the worst case scenarios

[rotund fractal]

swamp is underrated and very beautiful, when it would be not hard as Deino here, I would stay for long times as Deino and would travel between delta and swamp, but now naah swamp is to hard

[indigo gulch]

swamp is just asking to starve

[rotund fractal]

Yeah thats the reason why i cant stay as deino there, maybe when I have saltwater mutation, because I can walk to beach and eat turtles but without saltwater mutation, you're rip

[patent gull]

yeah i highlighted that, i said highland later

[late plank]

@rotund fractal

[rotund fractal]

Yeah no matter it doesn't hurt to write it in anyway xDDDDD but yeaaaaahhhhhhhh!

[vital laurel]

@void kestrel it’s in HT

[rotund fractal]

I love the horns and the skinn like a big allo i love it

[hardy vine]

@rotund fractal albertosaurus is already confirmed bro is coming

[rotund fractal]

xD Yeah I have noticed it in the meantimeI have noticed it in the meantime

Double is better

xDDDDD

[hidden pilot]

Then why did you

[wheat timber]

Asking as a general question, color me uninformed and ignorant for asking, what is stopping the devs from opening the servers up just a tad more? Say to 125? While I understand there are hardware/processing demands that come with that, it would:
-increase foot traffic in game
-decentivise major hotspots from turning into TDM locations for mix packers
-obviously increase capacity for player count
I'm sure there's reasons they haven't I'm just curious if anyone else likes the idea. It often feels like there's nobody on the server most of the time and despite 100 ppl being on with 20+ in queue I've gone HOURS without finding someone.
Just my 2 cents.

[shell finch]

the fact that yall down vote anything to do with rex is funny to me. fake fans

[woven bane]

rex will drop when its ready though, why would the devs hold it back unless it is necessary?

[shell finch]

because they are slow with everything thats why

[woven bane]

alr but that dosent explain why rex should be added half baked

[shell finch]

they have been working on it for over a year man

it doesnt take that long

@woven bane

name me any player model or dino model that takes a year to develop.

[woven bane]

rex is said to be extremely complicated with over 600 animations or so

[lilac bolt]

one second i need to look when official development work started popping up for rex

[shell finch]

thats not an excuse. stop giving them outs and make them work harder

[woven bane]

devs released like 6 playables and a new map in 2023 btw

[woven bane]

i have no control over what they do lmao

[shell finch]

name the playables and tell me if they brought alot of people to the game like rex would

[woven bane]

galli, troodon, beipi, cera, dilo and herrera

[shell finch]

okay and do general public know about most of those? no they dont lol

[lilac bolt]

they work hard enough and they have lives of their own. we have no control over how much any of the devs work but we will get rex once trike is done testing just a bit longer

[shell finch]

missing the point grey. it doesnt take that long to develop something unless you putting little effort

[desert arch]

Rex has over 1000 animations according to Kissen iirc

Also sparring, which is very complex in of itself

[woven bane]

cera and dilo are fan favourites, pretty popular in the dinosaur media

[shell finch]

1000 animations for you to notice 100 maybe

[lilac bolt]

do you do development work? 3d animate, code, make models, texture, rig? do you actually understand how much work and hours they put into the things they make?

[shell finch]

yeah i do lol.

[desert arch]

Ah yes, the classic small=worthless argument lol

[woven bane]

most animals we got are arguably way more interesting than rex

[tardy talon]

Shut up

[shell finch]

im crying lol. thats a joke right

[woven bane]

not at all lmao

[lilac bolt]

its just kind of down to opinion with something like that

[raven sky]

You're acting like rex is the only thing they're working on

[tardy talon]

Alot of them like Herrera are valuable to the game and have complicated mechanics

[lilac bolt]

that as well

[wooden agate]

herrera and deino both brought tons of attention to the isle

rex would bring alot of course, but so would actual niche animals with interesting mechanics

[gritty heart]

#general-feedback message
@rotund fractal

I like that idea, personally I'd love to see Walking w. movie Gorgo style alberto

[gritty heart]

deino was flat out a big part of the evrima hype iirc (I say iirc because it could just have been it was what I cared about, well more so aquatic in general)

[wooden agate]

troodon was also big for a while, not in the advertising "come play our game!" sense but moreso in the community has been wanting it for a while

troodon was peak excitement during its development

[lilac bolt]

yeah tons of people love troodon

[raven sky]

Deino still is a big reason people get the game. Most newbies I've talked to always start with "how do I play the croc?"

[gritty heart]

yeah. It's just that modern deino is an awful babies first playable in a game already not the most "new player friendly"

[raven sky]

Yeah, that's why I always tell them to try galli first

[gritty heart]

Honestly, the best thing a new player can hope for is to meet up with someone more experienced.

I've met a fair few baby (both in game and to the game) dilo players at west access. It's fun to tell them dilo has abilities, but it can be annoying defending them from the 30th herra

[misty maple]

#general-feedback message
jo this might be random i just wanna ask if you could unblock me... I agree with a lot of feedback you give and i just wanna be able to support it xD Sorry for my behaviour that made you block me
(any other person pls ignore this msg)

[wooden agate]

no prob bob

[acoustic spruce]

@brittle kiln that Utah concept is good but it needs a little something..

[unreal ridge]

"And of course prey under a certain weight will be automatically pinned"

[still monolith]

I’d want allo before I would want red right now

[gritty heart]

#general-feedback message

is this beipi slander?!

[buoyant dove]

#general-feedback message

I like it, 700kg is like 6x the weight of a fg male african lion and makes dilo feel weighty and large

Could be toned down a bit though

[eternal moss]

This is vid for #general-feedback message

[wheat timber]

the game is 10 years old and there are content creators with hours worth of content playing rex already, you should probably just take the L on this one and be asking the same questions fam...

[gritty heart]

dilo also moves pretty fast, so I do imagine it is putting some oompf in its step

[woeful latch]

you’re the one taking L tho

[topaz hatch]

Devs need to fix “disconnected from queue” asap, it’s been an ongoing issue

[eternal moss]

rewatched ts, and recognized how much smaller it was compared to me, such bs

[full comet]

Raptors that are the same size as eachother can pin eachother. Im pretty confident that raptor is your same weight or heavier

It could be physically smaller but it all comes down to weight

[eternal moss]

yeah, but it at least shouldn't be able to pin me to death

[gritty heart]

Almost felt bad but then saw it was a herra, caught at ground level, and pinned from the rear-side.

[plush galleon]

can we get a stego nerf on their swing?

[gritty heart]

And the see saw too

[frank tapir]

no

[limber hull]

no

[woeful latch]

no

[plush galleon]

no

[limber hull]

glad you agree

[gritty heart]

Fella got brainwashed

[latent olive]

i think they call that MK Super

[golden horizon]

then herras shouldnt be able to oneshot people. You can't be okay with one, but complain about the other, you were not paying attention and you died for it, it's just like with the herra or deino

[thick ivy]

wait will trike be added ot main branch straight after it gets remvoed from hordetest

[limber hull]

tbf, people need to realise that herrera is meant to be frail and vulnerable on the ground. i hardly see how its unfair for them to be attacked while on the ground

[limber hull]

no, rex and trike will be added as one big update

[thick ivy]

I see thanks

when is rex getting added to horde

trike done isnt it

[limber hull]

when trike is done, yes. Trike is currently not finished

[thick ivy]

what is getting added to it

[limber hull]

sounds, and some balance changes iirc

it's mostly done but still missing some stuff

[thick ivy]

ok

[timid meadow]

im I the only one who thinks cera should have its dead body buff removed

[thick ivy]

eh

[limber hull]

there's a lot of things wrong with cera but that's one of the few things that actually makes it do what it's supposed to

the body buff should stay

[timid meadow]

Idk its like it already can eat rotting bodys and make you throw up and when have you have you ever seen a group of less then 2 ceras its just game over half the time

[limber hull]

focus on making it a worse hunter, not a worse corpse bully imho

[timid meadow]

i think they should at least make the grow time more

[limber hull]

ehhh

maybe, since its diet is so easy

[timid meadow]

2.5 hours for the best carnivore is just dumb they should make it 3 or 3.25

[limber hull]

i just think they should make the charge bite slow you down while charging it and that'd solve like... most of its problems lmao

[ancient kestrel]

Why jaw muscules would slow down movement?
Just make charged bite consume stamina. Cera barely spends stamina on anything except running

[woeful latch]

because its a game

[ancient kestrel]

Still more logical to make it use stam because usually most special attacks do. And ceras stam management way too easy currently

[dawn hound]

I remember chasing a much smaller omni to my herrera's full grown size, but it just pinned me and killed me. If pin is gonna work like this, I think creatures that can be solo pinned should have the option to turn over when enough stamina and damage it just like if an omniraptor pounced another omni.

[woeful latch]

hm. funny how you're against charge slowing cera down because it apparently doesnt make sense, but you're completely okay with it taking stamina.

[ancient kestrel]

I am just applying logic that usual downside of stronger special attack that they cost stamina. And considering that cera is supposed to defensive play style making charged bite taking 5% stam once it snaps - that thing is needed.

[woeful latch]

so you just bait cera into using its charge to defend itself, wait till it starts charging then you run and repeat until its completely out of stam?

its worse than "make stego drain stam for raising its tail"

[limber hull]

Because it’s the best way to balance it. I really don’t care about the realism argument when it comes to the isle

Slowing it down, regardless of realism, would solve a ton of the issues with the attack

[ancient kestrel]

Not charging itself but in a moment when it bites, silly

[ancient kestrel]

Same as stamina cost will do

[limber hull]

No it’s not

[ancient kestrel]

Argue why

Cera barely uses stamina and it's an issue

[woeful latch]

wow getting angry, i see, well so ceras bite will only consume stamina when it actually bites? i agree, stego power swing should also take stamina only when it hits

[ancient kestrel]

Isn't that how stegos power swing works?

[woeful latch]

no. every attack consumes stamina even when its a miss

[ancient kestrel]

Ah. But it is what it is. That's an entire point of this

Will be stupid if special move wouldn't take stamina if you miss. Otherwise it will be low skill gameplay

[woeful latch]

wow so you do realize this, good

[ancient kestrel]

I am start loosing context on what you trying to prove

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback-discussion message #general-feedback-discussion message

#general-feedback-discussion message

its like hmm few minutes between those messages

[ancient kestrel]

Whatever the case I was trying to say that ceras charged bite should work like stegos powers wing but less stamina cost. So it will consume stam only when cera hits or misses target

[woeful latch]

are you drunk

[limber hull]

nah, it's perfectly fine. If it's going to keep you away from a corpse, then dash when it sees something scary, that's fine. Slow it down while it charges bite, and it deals with it constantly playing chicken

[ancient kestrel]

1)I am not native speaker
2)My phone autocorrects words me typing

[woeful latch]

i am not native speaker too and thats not an issue.

the issue is your messages contradict each other

[limber hull]

i dont feel the stamcost thing is a particularly nice solution to the issue tbh

[woeful latch]

same, i dont want a stam cost. slowing it down is more than enough to balance it

[limber hull]

it doesn't change its aggression, power to lock you with vomit easily or big game hunting

[past crystal]

#general-feedback message
what this has described is wetlands. the swamp is meant to be densely forested with hardly any traversible ground, perfect for smaller dinosaurs to nest - hypsi, beipi, pteranodon..
wetlands are planned and would be more open

[limber hull]

i swear people just want swamp gone lol

excited for wetlands, but swamp simply needs some improvements, not obliteration/replacement

also having animals like sucho, cherry, bary, austro, so on would salso probably make it less dead lol

[latent olive]

they do, because of a combination of buggy schooling/elite fish and nothing that lives in the environment besides idk herrera and deino

that particular suggestion, they just want it to be turned into deathmatch central 2

wide open area with free water: immediate hotspot/fight pit

[past crystal]

swamp is hated because there aren't many suitable dinos for it

once austro and bary release I'm sure people will have a change of heart

[limber hull]

yea and the lack of fish lol

[past crystal]

(and fish spawns are fixed. and maybe when the other ai critters are added)

[latent olive]

please god just let fish spawn in rivers without needing to swim in it first

[past crystal]

yeah I spent 2 hours combing river delta and found NOTHING
the only fish I found were in or close to lakes

[vivid mason]

Average (way above average) rex glazer 😭 😭 😭

[acoustic spruce]

@stray nest that waterfall area is already a thing in the new map update

[ancient kestrel]

They not

I may be just was bad a delivering my point but I exactly meant that charged bite should consume stamina not when charging but when you commit the bite action

[ancient kestrel]

Well it make this move less spammable

And spam of charged bite is main issue because it make people almost never use normal bite

[ancient kestrel]

Swamps is a cool area. People just don't understand that needs some love like fixing MZ spawning nothing here and poor AI spawns

[urban flax]

If cera was slower when charging a bite it would be harder to spam it

[limber hull]

it would also necessitate defensive play, not just encourage it

[normal shuttle]

also stam cost for an ability you cannot cancel unlike stego's power swing would suck

actually punishing the cera for holding onto rmb

[rare fractal]

I’m just so amused at how you can take away cerato’s vomit and it’s still the strongest carnivore in the game. The cornerstone mechanic of a creature being stripped from it shouldn’t impact its power so little when that mechanic has explicit combat purposes

Body buff is still a 50% DR right? Or has that been lowered

[normal shuttle]

50%

but it is a spectrum I believe

depending on carcass size

so you don't get that from like an omni

[normal shuttle]

yeah charged bite as it is really is a problem since it allows it to punch like a heavy mid tier all the time with no penalty

[rare fractal]

Oh really…last time I played Cerato a full grown Omni gave you that full DR, the spectrum only applied below that

What’s the new minimum size for the full buff if you know

[normal shuttle]

or well maybe it's that

[rare fractal]

I really wish it reached its maximum way larger

[normal shuttle]

dunno exactly when we don't have the info easily accessible

[rare fractal]

Yeah yet another confusion I’ll never understand

[normal shuttle]

I would put maximum at its own size or even with a teno honestly

[rare fractal]

So would I

That mechanic honestly gets forgotten a lot simply because there’s nothing in game reminding you what it does

Just that being near a body makes your Cerato upset

[normal shuttle]

praying for new UI to address that

[thick ivy]

does anyone knwo what second gen is

[normal shuttle]

second gen or gen 2?

gen 2 are "normal" humans

[ancient kestrel]

It actually can be canceled if you hold it too long

[normal shuttle]

second generation might also refer to...well, second generation of nested animals

[normal shuttle]

I know, and sometimes you want to discard your bite in order to charge it at a different time and be more unpredictable

because if the cera loses stam for doing it, then people could just wait for it until it ends and then dart in for an attack when the charged bite is weaker

[thick ivy]

ye thats what i mean what does it doi

[normal shuttle]

and honestly a stam cost wouldn't stop it from being an offensive tool UNLESS the stam cost was very significant

[ancient kestrel]

Well, what the issue to make it cancelable attack like powerswing?

[normal shuttle]

you could definitely by changing how it works

[normal shuttle]

but also this

bugh

[ancient kestrel]

Well thats the point. Stam cost should be significant but also not too big

Like 5% or something like that

[woven bane]

difference is that a juvenile herrera can’t 1 shot a fg omni but a juvenile omni can 1 shot a fg herrera, how is that comparable lol

[golden horizon]

its all weight based, then you would also have a problem with a juvie stego oneshotting a fg troodon

The game is not meant to be balanced, thats why you gotta pay attention

[woven bane]

an omni could be 170KG get a growth tick to 175 and it suddenly turns the matchup from a 35-65 to a 100-0 for the omni which is silly to say the least

[normal shuttle]

I agree with that

I F... hate omni's matchup when it can pin you

when it cannot pin it feels like a fair fight sometimes even in the raptor's favor

but then when it gets pinning you have to avoid it more than a carno

it's so stupid. "Just don't approach an omni bro"

In what world is it okay that I am in more danger against omnis than against carnos as a troodon, beipi, herra, galli or even another omni??

how dumb pinning is can be proved so clearly even with omni vs omni matchup

whoever pins first wins

even if you are slightly smaller than your opponent

the pinned only gets the consolation prise of doing like 10-15% of your health and a bit of bleeding while they die with nothing they could do about it

[woven bane]

that’s what i’m saying

crazy how a fresh spawn omni is more of a threat to herrera than the small game 1T+ predator

[normal shuttle]

and also that hitbox...My god

Having the pin register on tail hits is absurd, and then its oversized hitbox can even let you pin things behind you

or if you miss for like 1-2 metes with 0 latency issues

[normal shuttle]

not really fresh spawn, but still dumb that a 30% is more dangerous than two carnos

[woven bane]

hyperbole

[normal shuttle]

like seriously, when I play troodon I'd rather mess with a 700kg carno than a 200kg omni because in the latter all it takes is one button press to kill me

[normal shuttle]

gotcha

[golden horizon]

I dont think anybody is metagaming that much, and if the herra is afraid of getting pinned he literally can just stay in the trees

This is not a pvp focused game

There isnt a real "matchup" here

[normal shuttle]

there absolutely is a matchup

[woven bane]

yea people do that unironically, besides sometimes you gotta go down and the fact that they can just pose such a threat ain’t right

[normal shuttle]

"just dont engage with the omnis bro"

Ridiculous, absurd. Bafflingly outrageous

That a herra is safer on the ground with ceras, carnos and dilos than with a damn omni baby

[golden horizon]

Wdym, carno, dilo and ceras can just onetap them

its the same thing when messing with dibbles, tenos, crocs and stegos. You don't have to be near them

[woven bane]

herrera has a way easier time escaping them, juvi omni runs at 50.2kmh with insane agility and a egregious pin hitbox

[golden horizon]

Herra has its own playstyle, and if you're trying to force herra to play a diffrent way that it wasnt intended for, then its on you

[normal shuttle]

they don't have an oversized attack hitbox like that of omni that can be spammed if you miss, and you can break dilo and carno ankles

Oh, and I forgot the most important detail for this: omnis when they are young are super silent. Not only they are fast, small and agile, but also they make next to no noise even sprinting, which really isn't something that should be attached to a one tap move that can get you on the tip of your tail

[woven bane]

last time i checked its playstyle wasn’t “avoid juvenile omnis at all costs”

[normal shuttle]

and none of those weigh 10kg more than you

nor are they juveniles

[golden horizon]

Herras are ambush predators, play to their strong sides

Omni can pin anything below its weight, its been like this for ages

its nothing new

[desert arch]

"Omni pin is balanced"
Meanwhile the hitbox:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1344002521462738954/1354919316692402408/DDD1071.MP4?ex=67e904b2&is=67e7b332&hm=ef4ed6bfa68eb43b3176e01db80ff4e8350aea76322f94edc66088371c71197a&

[normal shuttle]

but no, the amazing and super cool omniraptor has the luxury of having one of the most oppressive abilities in the entire game for its size and the whole defense is "just dont be near omnis bro 🤓" because apparently it is okay for the big game pack hunter to be more respected than the actual small game hunter

[woven bane]

the juvi omni dosen’t need to be heavier to 1 tap it, it can just be the exact weight

[desert arch]

The hitbox shouldnt activate instantly after pressing rmb ngl

The animation doesnt even play for initiating a pounce and you still get pinned

It should at least require aiming it

[normal shuttle]

and you know the worst part? this isn't really all that much about latency. Your character just slid a little forward while switching to pinned animation.

and yeah, frame 1 active hitbox and also the hitbox is around it's hind legs too, meaning that if you are BEHIND IT but a little to close, like trying to bite its rear, it can actually pin you from there since in the first frame the hitbox appears

it's so stupidly wrong

[desert arch]

Either that, or let the "pinned" player go if they slide away from the omni

[ancient kestrel]

Yeah hitbox should be adjusted and also shouldn't pin something at the tip of the tail (base of the tail will be OK if anything)

[mystic basalt]

all of this is ridiculous. Make stam better, more ai, boom....done. All these people writing essays and drawing diagrams. Its reddit 2.0

[woven bane]

stamina is fine and ai is very abundant

[limber hull]

^

[rare fractal]

Yeah honestly my only significant issue with stamina is that Omni uniquely takes advantage of it, which sucks since it’s one of the lamest animals to engage

[ancient kestrel]

About AI... It depends on area and species of AI. Swamp fish spawns are trash. Chickens, rabbits and crabs are extremely rare and hard to find

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

[rare fractal]

I’m disappointed

[woven bane]

and of course the omni hive-mind upvoted that

[frank tapir]

can confirm, dilo clones are still broken 👍

[normal shuttle]

Maybe you should educate yourself a little more before trying to do that move

[rare fractal]

It’s just meta favorability, the best animals to play have the most players, Cerato is just exempt from this because it isn’t receiving dromeosaur bias

[normal shuttle]

Stamina just takes a little brainpower to be managed and AI is everywhere in officials without player caps that could mess with that

[thick summit]

plz buff omni's health

carnotaurus can kill me

too op plz buff omni

unplayable

[woven bane]

“buff omni bleed so it can do solo stego’s”

[normal shuttle]

Literally the Omni playerbase

[thick summit]

ik

[frank tapir]

their post is a month old

[mystic basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/comic-book-guy-the-simpsons-gif-5565529

[rare fractal]

I just wish their mechanic was fun to deal with

[mystic basalt]

you are literally this guy

[normal shuttle]

Why

[thick summit]

I mean

Valiant is not playing omni

and is therefore quite handsome

[mystic basalt]

i mean, i like that guy

[normal shuttle]

I only do to prove a point that it is such a solid pick even solo and without being that good

[mystic basalt]

i think im gunna order fast food and be lazy af today, that gif just inspired me

[normal shuttle]

I love one tapping pachies and dilos and then saying that Dondi has forsaken Omni 💀

[thick summit]

omni doesn't require skill

[mystic basalt]

What?! Omni is so squishy and soft. It def takes skill to kill anything above 1000kg

[normal shuttle]

Only really grappling and playing with bites takes skill as Omni

Pinning and normal pounce absolutely don’t. The latter is just a bit buggy and can kill you if you are unfortunate

[mystic basalt]

there are for sure stupidly skilled omni players out there. 1v1 ceras

[thick summit]

It'd require skill if it still had the missed pounce recovery animation

[rare fractal]

It’s just the worst iteration of attack baiting because you have a safety period before you need to escape your dive

[thick summit]

a cera with more than one brain cell just stands in mud

[normal shuttle]

Or against a tree

[thick summit]

you can one shot pachies and dilos

[rare fractal]

Or just next to a body cuz it’s not dying

[mystic basalt]

what cera do you know with more than one brain cell?\

[normal shuttle]

Cera performs extremely well against omni

[normal shuttle]

….me?

[thick summit]

me

[normal shuttle]

[mystic basalt]

I know, thats what im saying.....there are def skilled omnis out there

[thick summit]

Whenever I get attacked by omnis I just enter a mud pit

[normal shuttle]

I think omni takes skill only when biting or having to grapple something that needs more than two omnis to fall down

But pinning? No skill. Pouncing anything dilo sized or below? No skill

[rare fractal]

The Cera has to reach a very shallow level of skill expression to negate any skill an Omni might have, it’s not that you can close the gap of not being able to effectively do anything to a Cerato with how good you are

[thick summit]

pachy vs omni is really omni sided

[mystic basalt]

first hit wins

[thick summit]

the pachy has to get lucky to survive

[rare fractal]

In pachies case that’s only a sometimes

[thick summit]

incorrect

[rare fractal]

You break their leg or you lose

[mystic basalt]

yea, has to break the leg

[thick summit]

the thing is

sometimes it just hits the body

[mystic basalt]

but, still a risky encounter for the omni, 50/50 shot you get broken leg, boom, dead

[thick summit]

and if you don't get lucky you die

[rare fractal]

Which is probably the hardest fracture to actually get on basically everything because body is always favored

[thick summit]

pachy should be a challenge even for omni pairs

[rare fractal]

It’s not a 50/50 even then, it’s so much harder to land a ram on Pachy than it is to pounce

[normal shuttle]

Nope, they literally cannot kill you with any fracture

But still omni can just outmaneuver you and kill you with a single pounce and you won’t be able to go to the water or a tree unless you were camping it

Also 85% pachies get pinned by fg omnis

[thick summit]

and if you buck it off

[rare fractal]

Yeah true

[thick summit]

it just pounces you again

[rare fractal]

Lmao imagine a world where bucking is genuinely effective

Not that it’s a decent mechanic either

[mystic basalt]

I mean....as omni, you run out of stam really fast, even if you dont get unlatched, it absolutely murders your stam

bucking that is

[normal shuttle]

You only need half of your stamina to kill a pachy

[thick summit]

^

[normal shuttle]

If you are going below that threshold as it bucks, you can disengage and go for bites.

And rest assured the pachy will be far worse than you stam and damage wise

By the time it bucks you off and it burnt through half of your stamina

[ancient kestrel]

May be it's latency?

[normal shuttle]

Bear in mind that there cannot be latency issues if both players are static since there’s nothing that can confuse the server in regards to their position relative to each other

You can get pinned as a troodon if it makes contact with your tail from like 2 meters away

[ancient kestrel]

Yes but on previews video troo was even more far away

Hitbox is oversized and thats true. And latency only expands that issue

[ancient kestrel]

I wonder if someone did send this video in bug report ticket

[thick ivy]

which freak said no to my suggestion

[thick summit]

That would be me

But I am very sure others would disagree as well

[normal shuttle]

I really don’t want west rail and south plains to be the only places players ever use

So I will say no as well, alongside my desire to pls nerf patrols

[thick ivy]

BRO tHE OTHER AREAS ARE ALRADU DEAD

bro no one wants to spawn far north on teh map

its just so terrible

[thick summit]

well

that's why patrols need another nerf

[normal shuttle]

Water access, highlands, south plains and west rail are the only widely used areas and it is because of their patrols mostly, and also being common spawn points

[normal shuttle]

^

[thick summit]

people should use migration zones

[normal shuttle]

Just nerf patrols or even ai spawns to be more prone elsewhere

[thick ivy]

not for me i only spawn at the north

[normal shuttle]

And it will be good!!!

[thick ivy]

exactly no oen wants to spawn at north late

[normal shuttle]

Then you are unlucky and also resorting to confirmation biased

[thick ivy]

lake i would rather choose where to sapwn

[thick ivy]

isnt that why people make suggestions

[normal shuttle]

Then we would only have like in many officials

Out of 100 players, 40 of them in sp

[thick ivy]

no

[normal shuttle]

And 20 in west rail

15 on highlands

And the rest in water access

[thick ivy]

where are you most of the time

[normal shuttle]

Depends

On what I’m playing

[thick summit]

same

[limber hull]

they call me The Freak

[normal shuttle]

If I am a stego I would rather be in am water access

If I am a troodon south plains all the way

[thick summit]

as herbivore I just follow migrations

as cera I am running around scavenging