general-feedback-discussion

[sterile shale]

I agree

for the amount of stamina it used to save like a 2 seconds was just pointless

[normal shuttle]

@inland wind great, so now trike would be forced to lock in that mutation to counter hypoalgesia

Why not just remove all of the problematic ones and adding new muts that don’t impact combat??

Like bruh

Congratulations, now in that hypothetical scenario trike is forced into the same three mutations to have consistent survival: photo tissue, tactile and this reverse hypoalgesia

Otherwise you are at an inherent disadvantage

Also being told this was so 💀 💀 💀 💀

“Oh you don’t want to lock in the meta mutations to stand a chance against others? Just hide from EVERYONE and eat AI bro”

[woeful latch]

yeah lol, but i’d upvote anyway, just to let devs know how much community hates pitch black nightvision

not like it’ll change anything.. but still, better than nothing

[dawn hound]

@wide halo #general-feedback message what for the love of god happened there...

[normal shuttle]

@robust jackal not only a mutation that directly affects combat but also…

Do you think carnotaurus, the small game hunter, should be hunting anything larger than a tenontosaurus that is already 300kg larger than itself?

[urban flax]

Hey cutie
#balance-feedback message

[normal shuttle]

I read it

I approve

Although tbf I was thinking that maybe a ptero mutation could be a cera exclusive

[urban flax]

vets ?

[normal shuttle]

By attacking non cera dinosaurs next to the carcass you’re using for body buff

CERA

I don’t know why it changed to that lol

I heard something once about species exclusive mutations

[urban flax]

I think it's too fun to limit it to cera exclusively
I'm very much imagining a stego slumbering around with a horde of pteros murdering everything in sight

[normal shuttle]

Well

[robust jackal]

Personally, I agree with you. Carno should absolutely be a small game hunter, but Dibble and Mia are on its diet, and I believe Mia is the most accessible food source for one of its diets. Plus, reinforced tendons massively affects (but I admit, not directly) combat in a similar way. Personally, I wish that Carno was in more of a position to hunt smaller games, but I believe that'd be harder for the developers to code rather than adding a mutation that could allow 3 Carnos using great teamwork to kill something it needs to grow faster.

[normal shuttle]

I would approve that too in order to chase and kill baby ceras as a stego more effectively

[normal shuttle]

So…just remove maia and dibble from
its diet and put something else until we get more playables

You can put dilo back for the lipids

And honestly carno doesn’t really need much protein with omni and troodon already

[wooden agate]

juvie maias and dibbles also exist and provide good food for carno

[normal shuttle]

Yup

Doesn’t have to be just adults

[wooden agate]

even then, 3 carnos can punch up massively

a solo dibble, while challenging for the carnos, should drop before the carnos die off

[normal shuttle]

And honestly at this point we really don’t need to change carno when rex (and by extension juvenile and subadult iterations) is so close

Dibble, stego and maia are gonna have to deal with something serious soon

[wooden agate]

oh PLEASE add rex onto carno diet to encourage juvie slaughter PLEASE

[normal shuttle]

Would be hilarious

[wooden agate]

oh is trike dots, lines, or S

[normal shuttle]

Although imagine the feedback of people complaining about carnos being unable to take on an adult Rex and that they should buff carno so it can take on it

[wooden agate]

do we know yet? is it on anythings diet

[normal shuttle]

I believe lipids

And Rex diet

[robust jackal]

I agree. Just considering the upcoming playables that might take a while, and Omni can 9/10 jump out of a sticky situation with a Carno since they tend to hang around places with vertically.

Really, I just hope Carno can get lipids a little more easily as its quite hard right now.

[normal shuttle]

So far

[bleak kestrel]

I think carno could get nutrition from any juvie ngl

[robust jackal]

hahhahahahaha I would be down.

[wooden agate]

well theres go my theory about the diets containing the same families

[normal shuttle]

Yeah

[wooden agate]

unfortunate but understandable i guess

[bleak kestrel]

I think they should make carno basicaly have juvies and below as preffered food or any dino that doesnt have 200kg yet

[normal shuttle]

Would be interesting

Similarly to how as cera and deino everything is on your diet including AI when you’re small?

[robust jackal]

agreed, makes it more small game hunter

[normal shuttle]

I would say below 500-600 actually

200 is something many juvies easily surpass in a few minutes

[bleak kestrel]

That why i wanted diet tiers so there could be stuff that would basicaly give you less nutrition and other that gives more

[normal shuttle]

And we don’t want carnos hunting fresh spawns

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah seems fine

I think PF tiers could balance out this game a bit and make predators hunt something that they are made to hunt

Like omni would get a lot of nutritions from tenonto but not so much from dryo

[robust jackal]

I agree, would make the game more dynamic too.

[bleak kestrel]

But when i suggested diet tiers where more risky prey or prey that youre are meant to hunt gives you more nutritions ppl didint like it

[robust jackal]

honestly I think that's fair. don't wanna take the risk? you don't have to hunt it. seems logical to me.

[limber hull]

i personally think this idea doesnt really work and just makes its diet bizarre and confusing

[robust jackal]

But I guess people would prefer eating what is most accessible; that is how carnivores work in real life.

[bleak kestrel]

They are way more confusing things in this game than this

[robust jackal]

You could say that, but I feel most people wont notice their diets changing as they grow up anyway. It's like your skin, you can tell there's a difference after a while but you don't really notice the change over time.

[robust jackal]

and barix is true with this too.

[bleak kestrel]

Mine idea is basicaly make some dinos more rewarding to kill to make up for thier size/difficult to catch them or kill them

[robust jackal]

and that idea should be the standard to be honest...

[bleak kestrel]

Like pteranodon is small and i think it would be nice if omni could get more from killing one its really not easy meal to get and also doesnt have organs

[robust jackal]

more risk, more reward.

[bleak kestrel]

Im not talking about risk here only but the size of some dinos and how hard is to get them

[robust jackal]

so more like: More risk and skill, more reward?

[bleak kestrel]

Like there could be 1-3 tiers of food higher would give more nutritions or just 2 the 2nd one being named "favorites" when you click a tab and look at the PF

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah something like that

Like ptera is only good food for a juvie for adult its just little snack

[robust jackal]

I'll support that idea.

[bleak kestrel]

But cannis like cera shouldnt have thier species as favorite

[robust jackal]

hahahhahahahah true

[bleak kestrel]

It basicaly makes no sense for them to even consider them as good food

But honestly maybe its better that way

[robust jackal]

Im surprised Cera is PF for Cera and not just edible... 💀

funny though...

[bleak kestrel]

I think bigger problem is more with deinos

[robust jackal]

that too.

[bleak kestrel]

Ceras dont really eat eachother that much if you compare what deinos do

[robust jackal]

absolutley, Ceras mainly pack up when they meet, atleast that's my experience.

[bleak kestrel]

I mean its not rare for them to eat eachother.

Espacially when one pack meets other bigger pack

[wooden agate]

weirdly enough the devs predicted this behavior and even mentioned it within their dossier for cerato

[bleak kestrel]

That exactly what happened to me when i played as cera

[wooden agate]

it says something along the lines of "Two groups meeting usually ends with one of the groups being killed and eaten entirely"

[bleak kestrel]

I mean its basicaly cannibal dino so not really hard to predict

[wooden agate]

yeah but you'd expect it to have more solo cannibalization experiences than it currently has as well

you never really see two ceratos going at it in the same way deinos do, which is more understandable i guess. more food available for em

me though i'm killing other solo ceras i see

my dots WILL be full and it WILL be from la ceratosaura

[bleak kestrel]

Its just not alawas but sometimes eat eachother.

When ur the juvie its most common to be eaten

[limber hull]

on deino, its not really a problem imho. More of a necessity

[woeful latch]

that sounds scary

[limber hull]

with other carnivores, cannibalism tends to be a boon or a crutch, but i'd argue deino is one of the only animals I can say probably should be exactly as cannibalistic as it is now for the forseeable future

[wooden agate]

one moment theres 8 ceratos, the next theres 4 living ones and 4 dead ones, and next theres nothing but some blood where they once were and 4 fat ceratos being fat and lazy and fat (did i mention theyre fat)

[bleak kestrel]

No issue is.

There is not enough water

Not enough water for some spots to feel actually safe and not enough water for deino to have enough space

[woeful latch]

😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

engine update happend

happened* omg what is wrong with me today

[narrow nova]

Idk why some people oppose the suggestion to Exclude hackers

[urban flax]

Maybe because it's also asking to triple the price of the game

[indigo gulch]

Nah surely that’s not it

[urban flax]

I also cannot bring myself to ever upvote a suggestion that begins by "this game sucks"

[narrow nova]

Perhaps $60 is not necessary, but higher game costs and effective measures for banning cheating do help increase the cost of hackers.

Moreover, you already have this game and there is no need to pay extra money for it.

[indigo gulch]

There is, realistically, not a single person (that isn’t a cheater) who wouldn’t want every hacker and cheater out of the game.

[urban flax]

Yes increasing the game's price would hinder hackers somewhat
Also making it so the game crashes after 5 minutes of playing for everyone would effectively get rid of the hacker problem, but none of these are necessarily healthy for the game

[urban flax]

I may be the only person like this, but I care about others

[indigo gulch]

1. 60 bucks is the local prize and people will just buy it at the cheapest spot anyway to avoid that price tag.
2. You can make more effective measures without increasing the price with 300%
3. “You already have the game so you don’t notice it” is a bit of a selfish way to think😅

[narrow nova]

I'm actually more worried that the developers want nothing and do nothing at all. It seems that in this case, we can't demand more maintenance and faster updates. Besides, who says 20 dollars isn't money? We really deserve a better gaming experience.

[woeful latch]

that’s the reason i downvoted.

[indigo gulch]

Again, no one will say no to no hackers.

[indigo gulch]

You’ll never get rid of all the hackers and cheaters. That’s just the facts

[urban flax]

They're taking measures against cheaters, but there is no definitive solution to them

[woeful latch]

the only good temporary solution i’ve seen is add some kind of server side stetting not allowing people with high ping to join.

we will get rid of the cheaters and the servers will have less amount of laggy people

[indigo gulch]

Not all cheaters have high ping tho

[woeful latch]

99% of the cheater are from certain region🫥 have you ever wondered why they all have chinese usernames..

[narrow nova]

At least we should do something.Don't ignore the pain of the momentary killed as an adult Triceratops.it spend more than 7 hours

[indigo gulch]

I am aware, but you can’t use that as an argument to implement something that normal people can suffer under too. Also there is another country with a lot of hackers way closer to us

[woeful latch]

not to mention it’s just a good thing in general, not letting people with high ping to join server that is in different region will actually really help avoid the desync and stuff.

[urban flax]

Not 99%
But there happens to be an "american hate" thing going on where people from other continents go to american servers to cheat just to ruin everyone's day

[woeful latch]

just play on the server in your region

[narrow nova]

Because on a shopping platform, one account only costs 2 dollars.

[woeful latch]

lmao

[indigo gulch]

That wouldn’t fix the problem on eu tho

[indigo gulch]

And it will, regardless of the price hike

[woeful latch]

it will, the eu is really far away from asia

[urban flax]

It's a real thing lol
There's a lot more cheaters on american servers for that reason

[woeful latch]

that’s actually crazy

[indigo gulch]

I was talking about a different country than the country in asia🤣

[normal shuttle]

I had the idea of actually turning that into an exclusive carno mutation but like, eh…

[woeful latch]

which one😳

[normal shuttle]

Maybe specific dinosaurs could also have more than one specific mutation

[indigo gulch]

Really? You don’t know? It’s an “eu” country notorious for hackers

[narrow nova]

There is an Asian server that relies on manpower to detect hackers. Over the past four years, this server has banned more than 1,000 hacker accounts. It is highly likely that many more accounts belong to the same person.

[woeful latch]

oh LMAO i get it, but imo we will get rid of at least some cheaters

[rotund fractal]

Guys do you think it will be nice, when there is a dessert as Biom? maybe that in this biom also the water goes a little bit faster down except you play a dessert Dino or have a mutation. But IDK the map is already big🤔

[indigo gulch]

Sadly, it’s a culture to cheat over there.

[indigo gulch]

I’d like it, I’m just worried it will just become another empty space on the map

[narrow nova]

The main reason is that on Asian shopping platforms, the prices of accounts and hacking software are very low.

If the devs could do something to remove these products from the shelves, I believe it would be very helpful.

[rotund fractal]

yeah thats maybe true, we see it on swamps but what I don't understand. Swamps is so pretty but as deino horrible

[urban flax]

thing is, they can't

I think the only corporation today that can get rid of cheating platforms or products is google
But they have no interest in doing that

[narrow nova]

I just don't like it when they do nothing.

[normal shuttle]

Modders will get that probably.

It would be interesting if the game actually accommodated that. Otherwise it would just be glorified plains again and a whole region that is likely inaccessible or unviable for many playables

[narrow nova]

If they have made any efforts in this regard, please let us know, even if there is no result.

Tell us why it can't be done. I believe players will be willing to offer help.

[urban flax]

The only way they have to get rid of cheaters is banning them
So they need more admins
But few people apply for that

[narrow nova]

At least I'm willing to offer help. I spent over 2000 hours playing this game.

[urban flax]

You can apply as an admin then

[narrow nova]

I prefer to donate some money to the admin for their salary payment.

[urban flax]

That doesn't help much

[narrow nova]

I did this on some private servers. Therefore, that server had the financial means to hire manpower to investigate hackers.

[urban flax]

Official admins aren't paid afaik

[normal shuttle]

They’re volunteers

[rotund fractal]

yeah thats true but it would have so much potential like swamp dessert region, perfect for spinos, or veloceraptor who lift also in desserts, but yeah the big question is, how you become many players there and we see swamps as negativ example

[narrow nova]

So this is a dead end. The developers don't need money and the administrators don't deal with hackers.

[urban flax]

The administrators deal with hackers

But only to the extent of which they're able to

[narrow nova]

Yep Not efficient enough

[urban flax]

Punch also goes on hacker hunts himself sometimes

[urban flax]

Because there isn't enough of them ?
As I said, the best way you can help is apply for a position as a server admin

[narrow nova]

I believe that any administrator would ban hackers if they were caught. But if no one pays me, I won't be willing to do this job for a long time.

[urban flax]

And that's why there are not enough admins to ban hackers
Everyone wants to help, as long as it doesn't require them to do anything

[narrow nova]

Everyone is very busy. Time is precious. You can't keep on being a volunteer all the time.

[normal shuttle]

I got a regrow from him once recently and I didn’t even know or report the guys lol

[urban flax]

That is an excellent excuse to never get anything done

[normal shuttle]

Because I got ran down by a pack of dilos as a carno even though I had like 80% of my stam

[narrow nova]

So, whose fault is this?Is it me and players who bought this game?

[normal shuttle]

No?

[urban flax]

Depends what you're asking for
If you say "I want this" but you aren't willing to do anything to make it a reality, then who are you going to blame ?

You can't just delegate everything to others

I'm not willing to become an admin, because as many others, I don't have the time to do so (and I also can't be trusted for such an important role). But I'm not disregarding the amount of work they do either way

[narrow nova]

I said that I'm willing to pay for the services of an administrator.
A higher game price is a reasonable approach. Even if I have to pay an additional $40, I won't hesitate.
I have played this game for over 2000 hours. It's worth my effort to do so.

[urban flax]

Paying isn't doing something

[narrow nova]

But they never try this way

[urban flax]

"Even if I have to pay an additional $40, I won't hesitate"
Not everyone has that luxury

[narrow nova]

For me, time is more luxury.

[urban flax]

If that's how you're willing to "help", did you consider making a donation then ?

[lilac bolt]

increasing the games price just ends up hurting the game more then helps it. the only thing we can do is wait and the support the game where we can and trust in the devs to eventually fix it

[narrow nova]

This should be an official organization's matter.
And I have already made donations of money to the server where I often play, more than 40 dollars.

I will still encounter hackers, but there is a set of effective methods that enables us to report them and deal with them promptly.

[normal shuttle]

They have said they are working on stuff to address hackers

[lilac bolt]

ik

just gotta wait

[normal shuttle]

They just want to be quiet about it because not only people fed up with hackers want to know how they’re gonna deal with cheaters

Also the cheaters themselves would like to know how to bypass those systems beforehand if they said anything

[indigo gulch]

Same reason a lot of games work in banwaves

So cheat makers don’t know exactly what got caught

[narrow nova]

more cost-effective way is to have a technician create an anti-hacker program.

[indigo gulch]

Also, I’ve lost multiple fg deinos to hackers, I know how that feels

[indigo gulch]

That will be circumvented eventually.

[narrow nova]

This will be a sustained technological competition.

[indigo gulch]

They are working on it, just have to wait for it. And sadly, that is everything there is to it

[indigo gulch]

Like every game🙃 Valorant, CSGO, League of Legends, they all are in a constant battle

[narrow nova]

Yes, it's a pity that hacker were never stopped.

However, at least we should implement an in-game reporting system. I know that the game's backend code can record how much damage you have received and from whom. All we need to do is report this code and an admin to check it.
If you receive 1000 damage from a Carno, it is obvious that it is a hacker.

[tired quest]

most of the hacker I encounter use extend hitbox, they deal normal damage but you can't fight back

[narrow nova]

I believe there will always be a way out. Let's first deal with the damage hacker.

[woeful latch]

when i see sub cera charging me with some crazy level of confidence i know for sure that’s a cheater lol

[woeful latch]

same

and hitbox hacking too, they bite the tail but it’s a headshot

[narrow nova]

players flying in the sky got disconnected once caused Omni to lose connect with server when the pounce ended.
This is an attempt to deal with flight cheating.

[latent olive]

@limber hull unholy bingo spot pick in #general-feedback

“hypsi spit is overpowered”

[narrow nova]

#general-feedback message
you will find that omni loss 8% health when been knock off.

[bleak kestrel]

@cedar echo idk what server you play but max i had on unoffical is like 90 ping

[normal shuttle]

@compact bobcat you’re the first person I’ve seen actually complaining about hypsi

A laughably underwhelming herbivore at the moment whose escape tool isn’t even good against players with object permanence as it locks you in place

And bruh, if you knock an omni or a troo with a tree you can immediately attack them and do far more damage than you would by rubbing them with a tree per se

[thick summit]

#general-feedback message

No way they called hypsi op

There is no way

[desert arch]

Why does troodon even get stunned, its just a 100% death sentence 😭

Even against a fresh spawn

[narrow nova]

Pounce a fresh spawn Trike and die in it's head

Waste you whole hour.

[desert arch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102619485334143006/1351932450468794420/bruh_A_Clipchamppel_keszult.mp4?ex=67e21b75&is=67e0c9f5&hm=757d757e34b8e2929c08fbbee7b5f5f33467b8156006681d1478a9568d183d0f& real 💔

[normal shuttle]

I was fighting a troo as a fg stego yesterday. He somehow fell off to the ground stunned (dunno why because we were in the open although maybe it could be that I nearly hit it with my tail) and I had time to run up to the guy and peck him once

Game over

[desert arch]

You know those tiny pieces of foliage that have no collision? Those can knock them down too

And stun for ~3 seconds

And you can even see them most of the time because theyre so small

[narrow nova]

All experience for me as a single troodon says: don't play it.

[barren crater]

Play HT dilo instead 😁

[narrow nova]

Yep

[woeful latch]

omg this is so deserved

[desert arch]

Bruh

[desert arch]

I cant put it into words how much I hate dilo at this point.😔

But at least troodon is a good counter to it so Im eating good

[woeful latch]

same. i hate it more than legacy dilo

[hollow pewter]

Didnt think I had to say it, but my post was an ironic answer to caffeins posts.

[barren crater]

"counter" 😭

[woeful latch]

w+shift😭😭😭

[desert arch]

Good luck hitting a compy sized rat

[woeful latch]

i fought dilos as troodon, tbh it’s not as easy as i want it to be😳😳😳

[desert arch]

As long as I stay above 60% stam, I can trot it down

[narrow nova]

A new born rat with 3 horn

[woeful latch]

it would be 10 times easier if desync wasn’t crazy..

[barren crater]

Don't need to. I'll just cheese your pounce :D

[woeful latch]

how fast is troodons trot even? it’s really good, right? especially considering its size

[desert arch]

Collisionless foliage knocking troodon down for 3 seconds hell yeah

[desert arch]

Barely slower than teno

[barren crater]

Only teno and galli beats it

[desert arch]

Like 1kmh slower iirc

So yeah, trotting down dilos will be fun now. Endurance hunter troodon my beloved

[barren crater]

Dilo is busted OP man. Hilarious dino. It's like playing Gateway launch Carno again. Teno and smaller dead on sight

[desert arch]

And from my experience fighting troos on the ht, their bleed was buffed too

[normal shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/griffith-griffith-stare-berserk-what-did-you-say-gif-21401467

[woeful latch]

that’s sick

[desert arch]

3 pounces got my 1.8t maia to 85% blood

[narrow nova]

Trike isn't good at blood pool though.

[desert arch]

Insanely peak

[barren crater]

I ran into 2 ceratos man and they died

😁

[narrow nova]

Maia isn't good at blood pool too.

[normal shuttle]

They should disable dilo

Until the venom works if they are not gonna rework it

[desert arch]

A 1.8t maia still has 1.8k blood

It isnt weak to bleed

[narrow nova]

But they have to run

[barren crater]

Not going to happen sadly

[narrow nova]

so they loss more blood

[desert arch]

Really wish they at LEAST made the clones do bleed instead of dmg, at least you can kinda counter bleeding.

[desert arch]

I only trotted or stood still

[normal shuttle]

Only apexes, ptera, beipi and dilo in live branch because everything else gets dunked on🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[barren crater]

I'm a real Cerato hater so I find it funny (yeah teno is screwed as well which is sad)

[narrow nova]

So they really buffet bleed？

[barren crater]

I also hate dilo tho

[desert arch]

Troodon meta now fr fr

[barren crater]

But Cerato....

[desert arch]

I know Ill be killing noob dilo players with ease, even in a 1v1

[normal shuttle]

I like cera…just not as an apex when people make large packs and start running around with it

[narrow nova]

Man we just hate everything kill us

[barren crater]

Nah

[narrow nova]

I hate starve

[normal shuttle]

I did solo one in the live branch even though it tried to run away. Do I get the seal of approval from John Troodon?

[woeful latch]

nice

[barren crater]

I haven't met a half decent troodon in game so I'm not too worried about it

And even if they're good it's so easy to counter

[desert arch]

Mayhaps

[desert arch]

Yeah I cant be on every server sorry😔

[barren crater]

My dilo will be safe :D

[normal shuttle]

Remove dilo

[narrow nova]

I hope they add some dinosaur Ai once Rex resease

[normal shuttle]

I hate dilo!!!!!!

And its playerbase

[narrow nova]

Rabbit is to big for my Rex to swallow

[barren crater]

You know what the best part about dilo is? Cerato players can camp a body and it doesn't matter. Ranged attack 😼

[woeful latch]

i killed taco as a rattodon, does john troodon like me?

[normal shuttle]

So that they can survive off those? No please

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-mmm-cheesy-cheese-cheesy-gif-19257011

[woeful latch]

real

[narrow nova]

Man if they can't survive why we testing them

[woeful latch]

if i die to troodon on survival i will uninstall the game

[barren crater]

If Rex needs dino AI to survive, you may as well never add it lol

[desert arch]

Wanna bet?

[narrow nova]

Mainly test their starving speed lol

[normal shuttle]

You know the best part about dilo? That you can kill herras in trees because a clone can fall onto their branch and finish them off

[barren crater]

🔥

I honestly don't really mind herrera's dying to it. You have the ability to never engage with Dilo and can one shot them if played right. Every other matchup is dumb tho

[narrow nova]

Don't let it too hard or there's only hacker can grow adult rex

[desert arch]

Also pretty sure you still have ways to cheese the clones

[normal shuttle]

Ik that herra can avoid them reliably but what I described is still so bad

And it happened once to me

[desert arch]

At least on live, but unless they brought back tping clones to HT, it should work there too

[barren crater]

Find out the limits of clones and use that to your advantage tbh.

[normal shuttle]

You can dodge them as omni actually, but that’s about it and it also needs your whole focus. So many other things just get cooked

[woeful latch]

yes, if you find me on eu2 or eu4 and kill as a troodon i will uninstall the game for one year

[narrow nova]

You are gana test adult Rex vs adult Trike,you will need some Rex to grow up

[barren crater]

Yeah it's off. Won't even deny it.

[normal shuttle]

I want to see the trike and rex sparring so bad. I hope it is actually a well designed, fleshed out combat system

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-the-isle-gmod-troodon-troodon-the-isle-dilophosaurus-gif-9629496049012538059

[barren crater]

I will never deny how OP and dumb dilo is. I'll still use it though to hunt Cera's 🥰

[woeful latch]

help.

[desert arch]

Get cannibalism as your 2nd mutation as rex, gg infinite free food

[barren crater]

Also Carno buffs are sick. Can't wait for it to go live

[desert arch]

Spam LMB fest 🔥

[normal shuttle]

Power move: get cannibalism as your first mutation

[barren crater]

I will be playing Carno/Dilo when rex drops.

😼

[narrow nova]

Why could Trike grow with grass but don't willing to give Rex some meat

Trike is still apex

[barren crater]

Trike doing that is also dumb tho

[normal shuttle]

Because trike is just that goated

[desert arch]

Pretty sure someone datamined rex's speed, and its ambush is faster than 36kmh, so yeah, thats why

[barren crater]

Go hunt players as the apex carnivore

[desert arch]

Also 2800dmg attack

[normal shuttle]

……

You’re kidding right?

[limber hull]

dino AI my despised

[normal shuttle]

💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[desert arch]

I wish

[normal shuttle]

36??????

HELLO?

[desert arch]

Faster than dibble yeah

[normal shuttle]

[desert arch]

But its the ambush sprint

[narrow nova]

Rex is harder to grow than trick for sure, but don't make it impossible

[barren crater]

Datamined stats don't matter tho. They change all the time

[normal shuttle]

Like 10 seconds of running, still crazy

[desert arch]

Yeah fair enough, but they can give a rough idea how it may end up

[normal shuttle]

I’ve seen sub rex running as fast as a dryo for like 15 seconds

That is diabolical

[barren crater]

I'll only care if it makes it to live

[normal shuttle]

Unless an ambush burns half of a rex stam pool, it’s terrible

[barren crater]

Low stam rex would be awful for the animal

[desert arch]

55.4kmh almost 900kg 250 bite force juvi rex 🔥

[barren crater]

I'd rather it be slower and have good stam

[narrow nova]

Actually I believe it's 38.24km while it's early release.if no size change

[normal shuttle]

Juvi rex, the bane of daytime dilos

[barren crater]

If not then gg

You are getting rolled by stego herds

[normal shuttle]

Adult rex with low stamina is good

[barren crater]

I mean depends on the speed imo

and your definition of low stam

[normal shuttle]

Groups are not something the game accounts for, plus rex is going to have apparently better speed and trot and stego need stam more than rex to fight. If they try to chase you they are cooked

[barren crater]

Stego has good stam for its size imo

[narrow nova]

I don't understand why player want Rex to be almost impossible to grow up and even can't 1v1 Stego.

[barren crater]

I don't think anyone wants it to be an impossible 1 v 1

Stego should be favoured though imo

[normal shuttle]

I think rex was unironically one of the best balanced dinosaurs in legacy when adult. And the stam and speed could be a good example

Short extremely quick ambush and relatively fast for its size as marginally faster than a dibble normally. But a 35 seconds stamina pool that you cannot regen while standing

[barren crater]

🤔

[normal shuttle]

That was good at least with the legacy meta

And rex wasn’t even broken. If anything trike was just bad

[barren crater]

Why are you deleting your messages wha

[normal shuttle]

What

[barren crater]

not you, zerg

[narrow nova]

I'm looking for the link

I can't find it

Whatever

[normal shuttle]

At least I myself would like rex to be reliant on skill. Making it very hard to grow to adult but very powerful when it hits that stage, and still needing to put some effort and thought into taking on something like a stego with well placed ambushes

[vernal jacinth]

The Legacy Rex made sense with how it was built. It was a bit akin to a lion cause they can only run so long and if they don’t get their prey down in that window. The hunt was lost. I’m kinda hoping we get the same affect with Evrima Rex though

[narrow nova]

Some body want Stego fight 2 rex

[barren crater]

Every creature in this game has either an escape option (swimming, jumping up a rock, being faster or significantly more agile). or an advantage in a fight. Stego v Rex should be the same.

[normal shuttle]

Agreed

If it is like legacy Rex but harder to grow and more mechanically complex with the spar and crush, I am defo playing it

[vernal jacinth]

Same

[normal shuttle]

I don’t think it would be an easy fight at all, but I certainly think that stego should have the upper hand in a 1v1 unless it gets caught by surprise

[barren crater]

I'd have to experience the gameplay first but I did like some parts of legacy rex

I just wish apex herbis were harder to grow / maintain as well. I'd like to see them solo or in pairs most of the time

[normal shuttle]

So maybe a great stego could win against two terrible rexes

[narrow nova]

The best outcome for a stego would be that rex doesn't have enough stamina to kill you and you can run away.

[barren crater]

I mean sure if rex dies on sight to 2 stegos or more 😁

[normal shuttle]

They are rare enough already compared to carnivores, and maybe they will be harder when migrations actually work and you can’t just sit at the best patrols in the entire game with 200% growth boost

[thick summit]

WHAT THE

NAAAAAAAAH

[normal shuttle]

Dondi smoked cashew leaves

[thick summit]

THE DAYS OF HATRED AND DESPAIR HAVE RETURNED 😭

[rotund fractal]

I am so happy when Rex comes in

[urban flax]

It's not datamining
Dondi showed sub rex in a stream
It was going 45 km/h with ambush

[thick summit]

If it's actually that fast I'll play trike for a very long time

[narrow nova]

sub rex 45km

Adult can't have such a speed

[normal shuttle]

Nah that’s dumb. Kissen already confirmed they want the better player to have the upper hand while also accounting for their kits. So if the stego sees a single rex coming it will just whack it around unless it’s a worse stego and gets outplayed

[vernal jacinth]

Fast little bugger

[limber hull]

yea, those will be the skilled players, not the ones fed by dino AI

[thick summit]

Sub rex isn't 9.35t though

[barren crater]

We'll see. I wish for harder herbi gameplay. Terrible image but I counted over 20 trikes in this area. Most were FG.

[rotund fractal]

but what I personaly hope is, when rexy becomes a little boost when he sneak and starts sprinting. Thats a nice huntfeeling. Thats I liked in legacy. To sneak on a Para and than lessa goo 🏃🏻‍♀️‍➡️ xD

[urban flax]

In the stream it looked like it would have been at least 4-5 tons

[barren crater]

Some not in frame either

[normal shuttle]

You should also consider that trike just released so of course it’s gonna be more picked in its HT

[desert arch]

Grazing 😍

[barren crater]

That's my issue though. Nothing is stopping them from existing like that lol

[normal shuttle]

I estimate 4 at best

[thick summit]

I'd say it was 3t

[urban flax]

Ugh ambush speed was such a crutch, it's awful

[normal shuttle]

Considering dryo is 130kg

[barren crater]

Like they could in theory be a herd of that size forever

[desert arch]

Also dilo player, shame on you

[thick summit]

Dryo can dodge though

And it will get burrowing soon

[normal shuttle]

Crouch battles are so back 🔥 🔥 🔥

Rexes facing off all crouched and waiting for the opening

[rotund fractal]

nahh that was nice

[urban flax]

skill expression

[barren crater]

I was the dilo in this clip #balance-feedback message

[narrow nova]

I don't think a Stego stand any chance fight a fg rex

[barren crater]

😁

[urban flax]

Terrible
Stupid gameplay, stupid-looking, stupid balance

[rotund fractal]

nope

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/destroy-the-sith-star-wars-it-was-said-that-you-would-destroy-the-sith-not-join-them-gif-16486235

[thick summit]

It 3 taps rex

[barren crater]

I still have it. 2nd gen canni dilo. Ready for rex (hopefully no server wipes lol)

[urban flax]

Don't carnivores crouching all the time during fights look idiotic to you ?
Do you think it's fine that carnivores have 2 separate top speeds to be dealt with regarding balance ?
Do you think it's necessary to reward players incapable to set up proper ambushes by giving them a free speed boost ?

[rotund fractal]

Its very easy, when he have a little boost sprint after sneaking he loose also more stam and the boost just starts when the stam is 100%

[barren crater]

It should though

[thick summit]

It does

Stego 3 taps rex

[urban flax]

It has no reason to exist

[rotund fractal]

yes it have

[thick summit]

It can definitely fight off a rex in the right hands

[narrow nova]

No it won't be any chance if you don't run

[urban flax]

Tell me

[normal shuttle]

Sorry, it was bad

[urban flax]

You can't just keep saying "nope" without giving an argument back

[rotund fractal]

I worte a text under yours

[desert arch]

Feel like theyll have to wipe, otherwise adult trikes would linger into the separate rex testing

[narrow nova]

Stego have no chance fight a trike

[thick summit]

Source: troodon's valid genus

[thick summit]

Stego has a horrible matchup against armoured animals

[desert arch]

And there was a wipe I guess already recently, i lost my 2nd gen cera and maia 💔

[urban flax]

It's part of the reason why ambush speed is so bad

[thick summit]

A good dibble slams stegos

[limber hull]

it was genuinely one of the worst parts of legacy lol

[thick summit]

Rex isn't armoured

[normal shuttle]

Another layer to make balance all the more complicated

[barren crater]

true....

[gritty heart]

You call it crouch fighting I call it bobbing and weaving smh

[barren crater]

I think ambush speed can be manageable if there are conditions to it. I'd prefer if it didn't exist but if it does then I hope that it isn't free at all times

[normal shuttle]

I would rather not have it and make balance simpler. Plus it really isn’t that necessary. Just ambush better and we’re good

[rotund fractal]

I wanna more huntig with some herbis as a rex and not just PVP thats so borring every time just fight, more hunt

[normal shuttle]

No need to get a 30% speed boost

[narrow nova]

So Stego also have no chance fight a Rex, they just knock you down,and down,and down.like Trike.no cool down stun.

[normal shuttle]

Then ambush better (if there was no ambush boost). Just get into a better killing distance

Wait them out in points of interest, let them get confident

Train parts of your gameplay rather than simply running someone down before your boost runs out

[barren crater]

@desert arch so fun

[narrow nova]

That's what I mentioned someone want Rex extremely hard to grow and adult Rex can't win a Stego.

[desert arch]

😭

[normal shuttle]

So fun and interactive

Also engaging and fair

[urban flax]

Um
Don't play the DESIGNATED BRAWLER if you think fighting is boring lol

[barren crater]

I was full hp the whole time. Peak dino

🔥

[normal shuttle]

#DisableDilo

[desert arch]

At least make it deal bleed instead of damage my God

[narrow nova]

Bleed is more horrible

[barren crater]

That might be worse depending on the situation ?

[narrow nova]

It won't stop

[normal shuttle]

Just disable the damage if it doesn’t engage or something like that

Not doing the job for you

[rotund fractal]

wtf I dont play "DESIGNATED BRAWLER" I wrote with many guys in a Server and we all miss a little bit hunt action and pretetors like rex where you can make this

[thick summit]

Rex should be extremely hard to grow

[desert arch]

I guess, but you could kinda counter it with mutations and mud. Also being stage 3 at night as something small may not be a death sentence after escaping the dilo or killing it.

[thick summit]

Trike is armoured

[barren crater]

All I want from rex is for it to be Carno prey for like 4-5 hours of its life idc

[thick summit]

Rex can't stun lock like trike

Just accept the fact stego can fight off a rex

[normal shuttle]

Actually rex is getting a cc attack

[narrow nova]

Rex is an apex. It just should destroy Stego.

[normal shuttle]

Might actually stun stegos

[narrow nova]

And it have stun ability

[thick summit]

That's a silly argument because so is stego

[normal shuttle]

And so is stego, brother.

[barren crater]

Fair enough

[rotund fractal]

I can't wait to see how the fight between rex and trike goes down🔥

[barren crater]

Same

[normal shuttle]

Stego is not only an apex, but also one that focuses on guess what

Dealing damage

[narrow nova]

Stego is not apex

[thick summit]

5.9t treshhold

[normal shuttle]

If you go for the thagomizer you’re just going to die, plainly

[barren crater]

😭

[thick summit]

It is

[normal shuttle]

Why? It ticks all of the boxes

[narrow nova]

See how Trike destroy stego

[barren crater]

Carno should be 2.2t and everything smaller should be fodder 🔥 Irl balancing

[thick summit]

Stego is a squishy apex

A glass cannon

[thick summit]

And?

[limber hull]

yes, and you could do that without the speed boost lol

[desert arch]

Rex and carno outcompeting everything in the roster 🗣️

[bleak kestrel]

How many of ppl dont get what is the horde testing

[rotund fractal]

I hope he can destroy apex or I think just a adult rex but i think the devs have a realistic and good hand for it

[narrow nova]

Maybe but Rex is a better apex.

[thick summit]

Giga is an apex as well and it will get destroyed by rexes in a fight

[normal shuttle]

Massive creature in a size range where all the other heavyweights are and there is a gap between them and the non apexes ✅
Lengthy growth with a weak juvenile stage ✅
Can take an unholy amount of damage and also easily nuke anything below it ✅

[rotund fractal]

yeah and I wrote the hunting wish message without context to the sprintboost

[thick summit]

Depends

[bleak kestrel]

Wait you guys realize how busted rex can be?

[barren crater]

🔥

[bleak kestrel]

I dont belive it will be slow as a juvie and instead probably very fast

[normal shuttle]

Better for what?

Stego also needs something to defend itself and it’s only fair that it stands a chance in a 1v1 against a theropod when it can already make 8 ton carnivores cower in fear and remain hidden in the water

[barren crater]

I don't even care for fg rex. I'm more interested in sub/juvi

[narrow nova]

To oppose me,You'd better first suggest cancelling the no-cooldown stun.

[barren crater]

I think Carno should dog walk rex for 4-5 hours of its life

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-carl-happy-smile-youcalled-gif-4783662

[normal shuttle]

You are not dog walking a 3 ton rex 😭

[thick summit]

Unlike trike the cc attack will probably not deal a lot of damage

[bleak kestrel]

But you know they will prob remove it anyway

[barren crater]

If it's 3t by then I will be very annoyed

😭

[normal shuttle]

Files show that it indeed does significant damage but it also is far less than a trike knocking a stego and goring it

[barren crater]

It better be a small tier equivalent for ages 😭

[normal shuttle]

I mean, it seems like it is going to be juvi for a while so you’re good

[barren crater]

I can only hope so

[narrow nova]

To make your Stego can fight a trike？no.devs said just don't get close to Trike as a Stego.

[bleak kestrel]

Balancing rex will be very hard

[thick summit]

That doesn't mean it's final

[normal shuttle]

From what Dondi showed not long ago, 45% rex was the infamous 55kph 900kg juvenile

But not sure, could change

[narrow nova]

Sorry @ the wrong one

[barren crater]

Yeah but we don't know how long it takes to get there at least. Hmm well we'll see eventually

[normal shuttle]

Nah. Its archetype isn’t hard to balance. Deino definitely is harder to balance and design

[bleak kestrel]

Honestly that fricking insane

[rotund fractal]

55 is fast 🧐

[narrow nova]

https://youtu.be/UhdVtFrD5S4?si=f2blmLw5dlUcFUYp

[normal shuttle]

Really fast

But it has pretty bad agility apparently

[rotund fractal]

how fast is a carno in between of a juvi rex with 55 kph?

[normal shuttle]

And not so good stamina

[rotund fractal]

but this is fair

[normal shuttle]

49.5 without charging

[bleak kestrel]

I mean i understand cause rexes even as adults are agile as babies they could be very quick no doubt

[normal shuttle]

60 charging

[rotund fractal]

but the speed goes down when rex is growing up or stay the speed?

[narrow nova]

Stego never stand a chance

[normal shuttle]

But I have no doubt those juveniles are getting mopped by carnos

[normal shuttle]

Deinos getting obliterated in three hits by a stego:

[bleak kestrel]

Depends ngl

[normal shuttle]

Other stegos dying in 3 hits:

[bleak kestrel]

1300kg rex in theory should be able to mop a carno

[normal shuttle]

Zerg, I’m telling your

Stego is not something that even a rex should take lightly

Even if you win by trading and playing carelessly you might as well bleed out afterwards

[narrow nova]

Lightly I won't say that,but finally Stego will die

[normal shuttle]

Will likely not be faster then, or will have worse stamina

[cyan flame]

I don't know, when a trike can take on two stegos, and win without too much trouble, and rex is going to hunt trikes?

[normal shuttle]

If ambushed probably

[bleak kestrel]

You realize how strong stego dps is?

[narrow nova]

Once Rex crush you to group it won't have any damage

[normal shuttle]

Because stego can knock them down and cc them infinitely as well as being able to go headfirst into the tailswings with an effective 36k health. Rex has none of that really

They’re literally built different

[thick summit]

Stego can literally 3 tap a rex

[rotund fractal]

i think some people have a lot of hate for some steggo players, but you shouldn't offer the steggo as easy fodder for big carnis. Steggos should also have a chance to defend themselves somehow, because they can't run away so easily with their speed. xD

[narrow nova]

In raw damage yes

[normal shuttle]

Stego likely isn’t gonna be something you can pin as rex

[narrow nova]

But which Rex could be so stupid standing there face tank you 3 tall hit？

[normal shuttle]

At least not a healthy one

[normal shuttle]

Which stego would be so stupid to just stand there instead of keeping its tail facing the Rex?

[thick summit]

That's the thing

You ambush stegos

[normal shuttle]

^

Ambush it and get the upper hand. No risks involved and it’s a fair kill

[narrow nova]

Stun and crush didn't care the tail or head

[thick summit]

And the stego just keeps its tail between itself and the attacker

[thick summit]

It literally does

[normal shuttle]

But stego should not be slower AND “easily” beatable for a rex

[rotund fractal]

yes!

[normal shuttle]

You don’t even know the math for that. Stego might as well be outside of pinning range

[narrow nova]

Deino can't grab tail and head,such ability only hit body.

[normal shuttle]

In fact it is very likely that the math is similar to deino

And you cannot pin adult stegos as rex

At least more similar to deino than it is to Omni

[limber hull]

and thats a bad thing

[narrow nova]

Yes we all know Stego have massive damage even can destroy Trike,but see what it actually work, you can't even stand up

[thick summit]

Yeah

[normal shuttle]

And guess what

Trike ≠ Rex

[narrow nova]

Hard to say that.

[normal shuttle]

Different matchups exist

[thick summit]

Stego has a horrible matchup against ceratopsians

[rotund fractal]

Look its nice that Rex comes in and it is true that a Rex is one of the most dangerous and powerfull dinos but it is a wrong way to make it rex players to easy to kill other dinos like steggos, and to make steggo weaker that a rex can kill him easly is the wrong approach.

[thick summit]

I highly doubt a lone allo can pose a threat to a stego

[normal shuttle]

It makes sense and it is rather obvious even without confirmation. Do you seriously think that they’re gonna make a rex capable of pinning adult stegos, acros, fresh adult rexes and big deinos and killing then with one button press??

[limber hull]

if rex can easily kill stego, i got bad news for you man, but that means stego will need a buff lmao

[thick summit]

You know what

BUFF TRIKE AND BUFF STEGO

[rotund fractal]

And when you play a Cera good like Mr Gray, you can winn against a steggo...... so steggo is not so powerfull what some guys think

[limber hull]

so if "stego stands no chance", it's getting a buff, so get ready for an even better stego

[thick summit]

Make them deal 5k damage

Make them 11 and 15 tonnes

Just for the rex mains to cry in balance feedback

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah cera good cera one mistake and ur done

[barren crater]

Tbf those stegos aren't all that good. He's a great cera player though

[thick summit]

The roster would ironically not be invalidated because you literally don't have to fight them

[rotund fractal]

What I just say, you need to play good as rex to kill a steggo but to buff a steggo is so wrong

[thick summit]

Nah

[narrow nova]

Stamina is not enough to kill fg Stego,it need additional bite.

[thick summit]

You can choose to engage with a stego

[rotund fractal]

yeah thats the risk its a steggo and fair

[bleak kestrel]

Was stego yesterday and killed like one cera who got like 2 bites on my head and then i killed it.

It didint do much damage to me

[narrow nova]

That's when Stego can run

[thick summit]

So

[normal shuttle]

And this

Trike being able to mop stego isn’t confirmation to say that Rex is gonna mop it too because rex should hunt trikes.

It’s like saying that pachy will mop cera in a fight because it can kill dilo and dilo can kill cera

[thick summit]

If the rex doesn't waste all of its stamina, the stego just dies

Great

Stego is a glass cannon

If it is able to keep its tail between itself and its attacker it should survive

[rotund fractal]

Yeah I like his vids

[narrow nova]

The reason why is:Stego is more than a half Rex weight so 2800 damage crush is not work for full grow Stego.

[bleak kestrel]

You know how easy it will be to do as stego against rex?

[thick summit]

^

[narrow nova]

But Rex can definitely knock you down

[dawn hound]

@acoustic spruce #general-feedback message where did you got the picture from?

[thick summit]

It will be easy if you're good at stego

[bleak kestrel]

You dont know what stego will do to rex so just wait

[narrow nova]

Will be like Trike

[barren crater]

😼 yeah i like to watch them at times

[bleak kestrel]

Bro rex will be sluggish.

I could keep my tail beetween me and cera he did got 2 hits on me on head yeah but that cuz i didint really pay attention(didint expect cera to attack me)

[rotund fractal]

how fast is a maia can a maia run away from a rex?

[rotund fractal]

I tried to hunt like tham and yeah I died xDD

[normal shuttle]

“Oh well, galli sure is super easy to kill as herra since it gets nuked by adult omnis and those are easy pickings as a herra”

Yet galli is easily the biggest herra counter in the game currently besides juvenile Omnis lol

[thick summit]

It's bold to assume things even though they're not in the game yet

[thick summit]

Yeah

[rotund fractal]

but I hope for nice colors and posse, I love it to desgin nice skins and than with a rex damnnnnn

or better with Allo😍

[narrow nova]

Isn't it so hard for a stego to find a team mate to against rex？why somebody think one Stego could win a rex.

2Stego then Rex have no chance

[thick summit]

Rex vs stego will be quite equal

[bleak kestrel]

Because it should be able to do that if it cant run away

[narrow nova]

It can run away

[bleak kestrel]

You think rexes would just go face tank?

[thick summit]

But for a better chance of survival, a herd would be a great choice

[bleak kestrel]

How you know that?

[narrow nova]

If you run for several second Rex won't caught you

[thick summit]

Rex is faster than stego

[narrow nova]

It's bad at stamina

[bleak kestrel]

HOW YOU KNOW THAT

[narrow nova]

Yes but bad at stamina

[thick summit]

We don't know that yet

[bleak kestrel]

Dude you just keep assuming things

Actually tell me something youre sure of in 100%

[narrow nova]

You are also assuming Stego could fight rex

[bleak kestrel]

Bro I DONT KNOW ALSO

[limber hull]

i kinda despise everything he represents tbh

meta muts, cerato chargebite spam, just murdering large herbivores

[narrow nova]

Months ago Dondi just said Stego will die if not run from a rex

[rotund fractal]

Ok Guys CHAT GPT and some sites said following result: "The T. rex would probably have defeated a Stegosaurus, but a direct attack was not risk-free. Stegosaurus could have seriously injured the hunter with a good hit."

xDDDD

[barren crater]

Fair but I find it funny to see. It's pretty much noob stomping though like most isle comps

[limber hull]

so stego is faster than rex?

[rotund fractal]

but how a steggo can run away? Rex are faster or not?

[limber hull]

because if it isn't, rethink that strategy

[thick summit]

It got an entire ability to fight rex

[urban flax]

1. Don't trust chatGPT lol
2. They lived million years apart
3. Stegosaurus could have punctured the attacker's heart or brain with a good hit, that's more than an "injury"

[thick summit]

They're animals irl. They wouldn't fight

[narrow nova]

I mean if Stego didn't got a full stamina pin down it have chance to run ,Cause Rex have no stamina to deal 6000 damage in one pin.

[thick summit]

Also, a stego could easily kill a rex and so could the rex

[urban flax]

Unless rex pin wastes the target's stamina like raptor's does...

[bleak kestrel]

You realize rex is at advantage in real life scenerio. For rex its basicaly ankylo but less armored

[urban flax]

It is
But saying it could be seriously injured is an understatement

[narrow nova]

If you still in good health your dps will be higher than Rex even with alt attack

So if Rex spend too may stm chasing it will die

[bleak kestrel]

Not sure sure these are some long spikes but it isnt really accurate and i bet they would go that deep due to how build they are.

It really depends at what angle they hit rex

[rotund fractal]

Correct! T. rex and Stegosaurus never lived at the same time. But if we hypothetically assume that they met, the fight would still be exciting. and in evrima they meet at some point

[narrow nova]

And you got mutation that raw damage change into stamina.

So when Rex exhausted you still have stamina to run

If you still in good health you can fight back.

[rotund fractal]

lol

[narrow nova]

If not just run

[limber hull]

dont use terribly overpowered mutations to justify stego losing lol

[rotund fractal]

I trust the Devs they do this right with a rex and steggo scenario

[narrow nova]

You can be brave and walk to rex.then I can see how you win.

[limber hull]

it shouldnt be a matter of bravery. stego should simply be confident in its ability to not die to rex

[narrow nova]

If you assume that Stego is strong enough to look for rex's trouble.

[rotund fractal]

I think rex have a little bit more chance but is also red with his health thats my assumption

[urban flax]

If rex ends up being faster (which it will be) then it should not also have the upper hand in a fight

[rotund fractal]

also depends mostly on the scenario and the ability of the player

[limber hull]

then its unbalanced tbh

if rex is walking away with injuries, and stego dies, and stego cannot outspeed rex, it's unbalanced

[narrow nova]

7.5 hour apex shouldn't balance with 5 hours stego

[rotund fractal]

That not my opinion but okay interesting

[limber hull]

it basically just means rex can walk up, kill stego, and stego loses ALL those hours just to injure a rex

[urban flax]

It's not really a matter of opinion

[limber hull]

yea it should because the 30 minute hypsi can survive the 8 hour trike

[narrow nova]

This phenomenon is very common among other playable species.

[limber hull]

like?

name one animal that can neither run or fight from its threat, and has no other way of escape/survival

[urban flax]

pachy

[narrow nova]

Pachy

[wooden agate]

..,,.... pachy..,,....

[urban flax]

XD

That's a pachy issue tho

[wooden agate]

to be fair, using the universally worst animal in game as an example is not good

[urban flax]

And surprisingly pachy players are extremely rare

[limber hull]

oh yea

i wonder what happened to pachy?

that's right, no one plays it.

[wooden agate]

it makes your point worse actually lol

[narrow nova]

Yes so when Trike and Rex come out,Stego will hide for a while

[rotund fractal]

first I said red health! red health is very injured and 2 I also said thats "also depends mostly on the scenario and the ability of the player" My Opinion to this topic is, that steggos should not be unnecessarily weakened just so that a trex can kill the easy but on the other hand the steggo should not have it easy to just box a trex around it should be fair and also a bit realistic and I think the devs will think it out well

[limber hull]

you know what's worse than red health? no health

[wooden agate]

stego should be balanced like pachy
pachy is widely considered one of the worst animals in game and is barely played

so stego, in the same circumstance, would likely be even less common than pachys because pachys dont take 5 hours to grow just to be deleted

[narrow nova]

Stego have already dominate for 3 years

[limber hull]

so?

literally meaningless data

[rotund fractal]

men listen what I wrote

[wooden agate]

so because players are bad at the game and struggle to kill stego (because people actually kill stego all the time if theyre good), stego deserves to just... die when a rex sees it?

breaking news; stego becomes extinct a second time

[narrow nova]

When's the first time？

[limber hull]

cera has dominated since 6.5 and its still doing fine

[wooden agate]

stegosaurus... is currently extinct.....

[narrow nova]

Yep

[wooden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shocked-shocked-cat-gif-11170546809524778591

[narrow nova]

Because their tiny head prevent then from escape Trike

They FIGHT

and die out

[limber hull]

and that's bad

a creature "dying out" is bad

it hurts the entire ecosystem

[narrow nova]

Say it to dryo

[wooden agate]

im still moreso caught up on me mentioning stego currently being extinct somehow being connected to current stego in game

[limber hull]

yes, it applies to dryo too

[narrow nova]

I haven't see them for a while

[limber hull]

because there's no dryo, lipids are rare for carnos and raptors.

[cyan flame]

And is anyone arguing the lack of dryos is good? Is it good that pachy, and stego are extinct, or almost so?

[wooden agate]

stego went extinct millions of years ago

and now it will go extinct in game if rex just kills it with pretty much no risk

[urban flax]

Guys just play carnivores
The better faction

[cyan flame]

Shouldn't we look at the pachy issue and go "let's not have it that way for any playable"?

[narrow nova]

There are many kinds of creature in game you can't just ask for all balance to every species

[wooden agate]

they should all be balanced to have the ability to survive

[narrow nova]

Stego us good fight everything besides apex

Isn't it enough？

[limber hull]

no

[cyan flame]

Right, so let it run, it can run from trike, it can maybe run from rex too

[wooden agate]

can stego run from these apexes?

[limber hull]

because if it just dies to apexes, no one will play it

[urban flax]

Is it too much to ask for an apex to be able to fight against other apexes ?

[urban flax]

45 km/h ambush

[cyan flame]

Though it would be better if it could have fought, but that'll have to wait for later, but if it can run, then all is well

[urban flax]

For 15 seconds

[eternal moss]

@livid cove They've been repaired in Hordetesting, but not the regular branch yet.

[cyan flame]

Oh, haven't kept up, potato laptop says no game, so. We're getting legacy ambush then for rex?

[narrow nova]

Don't call 5 hour creature apex,deino is not apex too,devs said that.

[narrow nova]

It's a sub

[wooden agate]

both deino and stego have been referred to as apexes

[rotund fractal]

thats true

[urban flax]

Yes
Apparently it's not based on crouching, but triggered by a key press
But otherwise it's the same

[cyan flame]

But for those of you currently in the know, I'm curious. What is stego currently better at, survival, fighting, overall, than trike, now with trikes "full" kit?

[limber hull]

they've also said more recently that stego IS an apex so lmao

[narrow nova]

Yeh,referred

[limber hull]

????

[wooden agate]

... so the devs are calling them apexes

[limber hull]

they've also been referred to as "not apexes"

[eternal moss]

np, and I suggest deleting that message, because you might get pinged in moderation.

[narrow nova]

No they just said deino is not apex

Apex is not that accessible

[limber hull]

they said deino was not meant to be hunting apexes, but in the same sentence referred to deino as an apex

[wooden agate]

ok

[rotund fractal]

Guys lets wait for Spino, Spino claps all Kappa xD

[wooden agate]

people just get on here and straight up lie sometimes its hilarious

[limber hull]

they lie when it fits an agenda, very simple

if i say stego is rex fodder enough hopefully it comes true

[narrow nova]

fine,my fault

Anyway once Rex come out, Stego player will chose to be Trike player,there won't be so many concern about Stego.

[rotund fractal]

"the nile croc is an apex carni, but it will indeed step aside if a hippo or elephant enters situation" the devs really think very realistically and broadly damnn I love it

[limber hull]

and that's a bad thing lmao

why do you WANT this? why do you want to have less diversity

[urban flax]

Revenge balancing

[narrow nova]

If you think it's bad you should agree this.#balance-feedback messagehelp me with a ✅

[limber hull]

that... changes literally nothing about what was said

[urban flax]

It's kinda unrelated to the topic

[limber hull]

that's an entirely different point

[rotund fractal]

done ✅

[narrow nova]

If Trike take less time than dibble and grow bigger,won't it be some kind of loss biodiversity？

[limber hull]

anyway trike and stego are entirely different animals. after playing trike, in no way does it "invalidate" stego. Want a big tanky bruiser? Trike is that. Want to literally nuke anything that gets too close? Stego's insane damage

[normal shuttle]

I will likely play stego to test it with Rex if they fix the horrendous lag I’ve been getting for no reason

I like stego. It’s good

[narrow nova]

We use to have Stego take 1 hour to 2t ,stronger than teno,so teno is less.

[limber hull]

no?

[narrow nova]

Now we made it back

[limber hull]

absolutely bizarre reasoning

stego and teno play literally nothing alike

[normal shuttle]

Dude

Dude dude

I told you

Weight gain isn’t everything

[rotund fractal]

I'm looking forward to when Allo comes out and I can go on a steggo hunt with my mates, that will be many deaths and winns for me xD

[normal shuttle]

Not everything should gain weight at the exact same pace

It’s fine for trike to get fatter than dibble in less time because it has other limitations

[narrow nova]

You might not some player agree that but more player think it's matters

[limber hull]

imma be honest man stego can onetap an allo i dont think its gonna be as successful as you think lmao

[narrow nova]

Less time,more power

[normal shuttle]

I am afraid of allo

Not fear, just straight up cringing at the thought of it being a 3 ton omni with Omni pounce math

[narrow nova]

Good choice

[rotund fractal]

I think yes in group and some ceras can beat steggos and you dont read my message I said "Deaths" in form that i die and Winns that i winn against some steggos.....

[urban flax]

I think an allo pack would be a legitimate threat to one stego

[narrow nova]

If more player think like that ,I should be here complaining how hard to catch a dryo.

[normal shuttle]

1. I couldn’t care less about what the “majority” thinks, and you also would need to get an actual source to back that up because it sounds made up. Either way the masses especially in this game are wrong unless they give good reasoning

2. Dibble has tools that stego doesn’t have in its kit and gets them earlier such as better mobility. They play differently and both are perfectly viable. And it won’t be an inherent dibble or trike issue if more people play trike also because they are biased towards larger and more popular animals

[urban flax]

Not a guaranteed kill, not guaranteed death either

[normal shuttle]

You are completely ignoring nuance.

First of all, almost no one plays dryo because it is lacking any unique mechanics as of now. And as I said there’s inherent bias towards larger and more popular stuff

[rotund fractal]

And I love it because Allo is my fav dino but everyone have his own opinion

[narrow nova]

In fact, it is the indifference of players towards Dryo that led to its extinction. If more players play Dryo, then the developers will adjust its balance.

[normal shuttle]

Only garbage stegos die to cera packs

They’re so easy to manage even if you get jumped by 6-7 ceras. I think allo will be a bit of a problem but only if there’s like 3 or more

[limber hull]

dryo is literally missing a mechanic. that makes it less appetising for obvious reasons

[narrow nova]

So we better hope not so many play quit Stego and go for Trike.

[normal shuttle]

Also because you are likely ignoring that if it gets the same math as omni, other allos will be able to one shot you with one button press and sub allos might be able to run down and pin ceras and tenos with no counterplay…

[limber hull]

which means we better hope stego can fight rex lol

[normal shuttle]

Otherwise it’s getting buffed

[rotund fractal]

yeah but I talk from Group Allos there bigger and can bounce and with good skill you can make it possible

[normal shuttle]

Absolutely

No doubt that allo packs will be able to do it if they play like mildly competent human beings

[narrow nova]

I strongly support that each species should have its own way of playing. I really like diversity. However, the fact is that some animals have been gradually eliminated in the process of evolution, and even fail to find mates.

[normal shuttle]

But stego is gonna be tough for sure. One tail swipe and they’re out

[urban flax]

What does any of that have to do with the game

[normal shuttle]

What??

[rotund fractal]

Thats the Live of a allo, I died as cera many times because of cannibal but thats the game

[normal shuttle]

What does that have to do with anything? Are you gonna say what I think you’re going to say?

[narrow nova]

Yep, Stego fighting Rex will be tough,why don't chose Trike.

[urban flax]

How to Not make a game 101

[narrow nova]

I mean don't be surprise next might be stego

[normal shuttle]

At least in cera vs cera the better players comes out on top. If allo can pin other allos then whoever presses rmb first wins. So skillful and fair

[rotund fractal]

I know that for a Allo is a steggo a dangerous target but in a group you can reach things what is solo impossible

[rotund fractal]

And do you know that a allo is cannibal? Said that the devs?

[narrow nova]

From the very beginning, I have never supported the premature release of Trex and Trike.it will make game boring

[normal shuttle]

No dinosaur is ever going to be left as a bottom tier due to powercreep

Devs spent thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours of work into each playable so all of them are played. If stego cannot fight a rex, then stego will be buffed in a way that it can survive reliably

[normal shuttle]

It’s not premature at all. They can do just fine in the current game

It was about time we got proper apexes +4 years after evrima released

[urban flax]

Doesn't need to be a cannibal to be killing its own on first occasion
A lot of players do that

[narrow nova]

And balance apex with this animal will make balance odd

[urban flax]

How so

[normal shuttle]

Exactly

Even herbivores kill their own because they feel like it

So it is crucial that all matchups are fair and you have a way to survive through fight or flight

And what better way with cannibals and “cannibals” than to make it so the best player wins

But that is not the case with Omni and (I hope not) Allo. It’s just rmb first and you win and the other is forced to die slowly

[rotund fractal]

To be honest, I don't care, I'm not going to let my hype about the allo be ruined by saying that it's unfair, it won't kill a steggo anyway, it's just annoying mimimi. If he was hardcore unfair, the devs wouldn't put him in, secondly, of course you'll beat a steggo at some point, even if a few of the group die. It depends on how big the groups can be on some servers

[narrow nova]

In the paleontological world, hardly would think that Stegosaurus could stand a match with T rex.

For the game balance we do should make some adjust,but make Stego win Rex more？impossible

[rotund fractal]

Yeah i read that also on sites but "Thats for some here fakenews! all sites lie!!!!" xD

[normal shuttle]

Rex irl likely wouldn’t have bothered if they existed at the same time or it would at least be as dangerous as a trike. One tail swipe and it’s over

That first, and then speaking of gameplay…what’s even the problem?

Game was never realistic and everything needs to have its place

[narrow nova]

The game will become a laughingstock.
A new come join game and see Stego win Rex more,He will feel that this game is not genuine.

[urban flax]

In the paleontological world even a rex would avoid risking its life over a single prey if it can avoid it

But this does not matter, since this is a game with fictionalized animals

[rotund fractal]

But devs said that they but the devs still try to be as realistic as possible, which is what they keep saying

[cyan flame]

Most likely, if they had existed together, stego would have either been far better at running, or have also developed further into armor and weaponry, more like trike or anky

[urban flax]

Is it so unbelievable to see a rex dying from getting 2 literal spears through its brain ?

[urban flax]

This is false, The Isle is supposed to be believable and immersive, not realistic

[narrow nova]

This cannot convince the average person.

[rotund fractal]

why some rexes fight against Trikes? yeah when they starve they do all that you can see on lions when they attack herds of gnus and so one also dangerous but all is dangerous and they need to eat!

[normal shuttle]

Use your brain

Does a stegosaurus, a 6 ton animal with a tail that has bone spikes the size of swords attached to a muscular and flexible tail, really look that unrealistic fending off a 9 ton theropod? Is it really that laughable that one of the most devastating weapons of non sauropod dinosaurs we have found in the fossil record is a threat that a Tyrannosaurus has to consider??

[icy lion]

They keep saying the opposite

[normal shuttle]

Then the “average person” that you are imagining in your head is clueless, dumb even

[icy lion]

Irl repesentations of the animals don't matter

This is a sci fi game with man-made mutant dinosaurs

[narrow nova]

Its not impossible that a dog killed by a cat.so we assume cat is equal rival as a dog

[normal shuttle]

False. It is meant to be immersive, not realistic. Hence why we have featherless raptors and a JP3 spino and triceratops coexisting with dilophosaurus in the same game and it tries to feel like a natural ecosystem

[normal shuttle]

BRO

WHAT THE HELL💀

[rotund fractal]

but they are based on reality and there is a large number of players who welcome the opportunity to remain realistic

[normal shuttle]

How are you comparing a thagomizer being used against a theropod to the claws and teeth of a cat being used against a dog

[cyan flame]

Why are we even comparing real life animals, it's a game

Pachy is current ingame example of how to maybe not do things, seeing as they're "extinct", so just learn from that and apply to every playable?

[normal shuttle]

Based on reality in what sense? Because it has never been something that wanted to be accurate, just grounded within its sci fi boundaries

[narrow nova]

Then, wise people, please use: "In our game, the Stegosaurus can easily fend off the attacks of the T Rex" to attract more players.

[normal shuttle]

So for example omni cannot suplex a giga but it can pounce on its back

[urban flax]

Huh ?

[cyan flame]

Depends, there's a lot of realism players perhaps, but that does not mean realism in the sense of a matchup, but rather in behaviour, most of the time at least

[normal shuttle]

That killed half of my braincells

[cyan flame]

Why do we need to attract players? What's the argument here?

[normal shuttle]

Strawman argument lol

We never said easily, just that stego should have the upper hand unless rex goes for an ambush. Imagine rex having to put care and effort into taking down a damn adult stegosaurus

[narrow nova]

What I mean is that the thing that the Stegosaurus could defeat the Tyrannosaurus Rex is not in line with the universal values.

[cyan flame]

Okay? Most things in this game aren't, is that an issue?

[rotund fractal]

👍🏻

[cyan flame]

We got plenty of playables not behaving in the "correct" manner according to various criteria, I'm not sure stegos being "overpowered" would be the worst thing ever

[normal shuttle]

And no one is saying that it would be easy

Just that stego should have the upper hand if it sees the rex coming. Which is totally fair when it cannot escape it

[urban flax]

Considering the universal value is "every carnivore should be able to defeat herbivores 3x their size because they're herbivores" I say not aligning with those is a good thing

[narrow nova]

The majority of people believe that T Rex was larger and stronger than Stego, and that its weight was far beyond that of Stego. They have no doubt that T Rex could have Stego as its food. In the game, things might not go so smoothly, but the outcome would be similar.

[narrow nova]

So this occasion didn't displayed in game

Besides skill less player killed by a cerato as a full grow Stego.

[urban flax]

Sure, align with how the majority of people think, disregarding any semblance of game design, balance or self-expression
Just make yet another boring "exactly what people expected" tasteless game

[narrow nova]

And 3 teno killed by a single cerato.

[cyan flame]

And that belief is fine, but it does not neccesarily work out for a game

[narrow nova]

Are we really going to change the balance for such people?

[cyan flame]

Just like how we have venomous troodon and dilo, and so on, despite that not being a thing

[cyan flame]

I would suggest we make the game balance good, nothing more or less

[urban flax]

No, that is precisely the point
We're advocating for a correctly designed and well balanced game here
And screw whatever the average uneducated player might expect

[normal shuttle]

Would be similar if the Rex gets an ambush because the stego still has a weapon that can (probably) kill basically any non sauropod creature planned in the game

Doesn’t matter that it is 3 tons heavier or that it was physically stronger

It still would have organs and blood vessels and a self preservation instinct

Doesnt matter that you’re 40 kilograms heavier than someone and hit the gym, if they have a knife they can still kill you if they see you coming bare handed

Same applies to stego but with something proportionately larger than your average kitchen knife

[narrow nova]

Seems that power swing give someone the illusion that stego could fight rex.
Devs already did something on Stego to make them fight GIGA who have not enough stun ability,and player won't cry for Stego if Giga at come out first.
So what if rex come out latter？So when other powerful predator come out we still call devs to adjust Stego？

[cyan flame]

If needed, then yes, of course stego should be adjusted to survive. Like any playable. Also since when was giga mentioned? The power swing would be for rex, more likely?

[narrow nova]

The fact that stego has lost its competitiveness is very painful. It's just because not long ago it was the strongest animal. After some time, players will play Trike and no longer pay attention to stego.

[urban flax]

Please understand that this is an issue that can be avoided

[cyan flame]

And this should be fixed so it doesn't end up like that?

[narrow nova]

It's impossible for you to make all the animals you pursue have the ability to resist you.

[urban flax]

Also powerswing was literally given to stego so it could fight against rex, where does Giga come from in this equation ?

[cyan flame]

Why are you putting that as if it's just how it has to be, when it's literally a game and we could, for example, up stego to 8.1T in size, adjust the damage, adjust knockdown thresholds, pin thresholds, and so on

[cyan flame]

Not at all, since you know, it's literally down to various stats, that we can adjust

[limber hull]

"illusion of fighting rex"

brother it was added for the explicit purpose of fighting apexes

[cyan flame]

If the devs want to, they could just go "okay, we'll make stego do 3K damage with the powerswing now", and we'll get that, not that we should, but it's perfectly doable

So why couldn't other things be adjusted?

[limber hull]

again, why do you WANT this

[narrow nova]

Once devs said giga at face tank Stego will die.but Rex can knock it down so it will be easy for Rex to kill stego

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah it kinda already does if used correctly you can easily avoid rex attacking your head

[limber hull]

tf does giga have to do with anything

[cyan flame]

When was this ever said?

[urban flax]

Why should it be ?

What is the point of making stego unable to defend itself against a rex ?
What is the deep game design decision behind that ?

[narrow nova]

It's not me want this.it's just what they said.devs mentioned it many times that Stego should run from Rex and Trike.the Trike part is already here.

[cyan flame]

If it does end up like that, the only thing that'll happen is that server settings/mods will correct it down the line and people will find various unofficials where the balance is better

[cyan flame]

Yes, but that means stego must be able to run from rex, like it can from trike

[limber hull]

trike is slower than stego. so logically, by that same reasoning, rex should be slower than stego too

[cyan flame]

But trike is also slower, in both run and trot now, so stegos can just walk forever and the trike can do nothing

[limber hull]

but, oh wait, that would make rex really, really bad

[narrow nova]

Distance matters.find Rex out and run earlier,Or do you think it's very undignified for you to run away from Rex?

Must you fight it？

[bleak kestrel]

I dont belive rex will be very powerful.

Look at the deino it cant face tank stego so why would rex?

[limber hull]

i should be allowed to defend myself, rather than expect that rex will always be out in the open for me to see

[urban flax]

Because rex, as opposed to deino, will be a brawler

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah but i think if deino was going to facetank rex it would be close call

[narrow nova]

Defend yourself didn't mean you should stand there and kill everything comes to you.

You are killing yourself if a Rex come

[limber hull]

and at no point have i implied it does mean that

you seem to have a very black and white view of "defending yourself"

seems stego can only either instantly kill rex or be instantly killed by rex

[urban flax]

Deino should absolutely die if it tries to facetank a rex lol

[rotund fractal]

I wrote with other guys and yeah I can say also other think that a Rex can winn against a steggo👍🏻

[limber hull]

most people think that LMAO

[rotund fractal]

and should in the isle

[urban flax]

Ok cool
Now consider balance and game design

[limber hull]

the issue is more if stego can win against a rex

[narrow nova]

So running for a while will deplete Rex's energy and give you a greater chance of survival. Isn't that good?

[bleak kestrel]

Honestly not so sure. I mean rex should deal more damage but deino is no joke

[rotund fractal]

We see what the devs make : )

[urban flax]

Deino simply isn't outfitted for fighting against things the size of rex, whereas rex is very much outfitted for fighting against things the size of deino

[narrow nova]

Are it's unacceptable that Rex win more than stego？

[cyan flame]

No, assuming you can see it from a sufficient distance. But you could also make it so rex is just slower, like trike, would that be so bad? Or just power up stego, it would also be fine. Why must rex just kill stego outright, is that a neccesity?

[limber hull]

you know what'd be better? Fighting the rex off because I have a colossal thagomizer and should not be forced to "run away from rex but also start with a considerable headstart because it's faster than you and if it catches you are basically already dead"

[limber hull]

if stego can't escape rex, yes

[bleak kestrel]

I still think if they ever add rex it should not do like a lot more damage than deino

[limber hull]

it isnt unacceptable that trike wins more than stego because stego can just leave and survive

[cyan flame]

Yes, because quite frankly, an apex predator should be very hard to sustain

[limber hull]

trike SHOULD be winning against stego in a fight

[narrow nova]

Funny,you just want be unkillable

[terse latch]

hey guys can you please tell me if there is any way that i can make it less dark underwater ? (its day)

[urban flax]

You still fail to understand the very concept of nuance

[cyan flame]

Or you just want overpowered rex that doesn't need to think when hunting a stego? Is that it?

[rotund fractal]

NV on? when yes than nope

[limber hull]

my god you really do only see in black and white

[terse latch]

rip then

but thank you for reply

[urban flax]

Yes because rex is a C.A.R.N.I.V.O.R.E

[rotund fractal]

no problem

[cyan flame]

It's still a little sad, but I'll hold out hope for unofficials on that one!

[narrow nova]

You want a creature can To be able to escape all fatal dangers and at the same time defeat all enemies that can chase after it.

[limber hull]

a tenonto can outrun basically any threat it would struggle to face, yet can also fight off that which is much faster than it

yet, surprisingly, it is not considered unkillable

[urban flax]

Like is everything in the game except pachy

[limber hull]

you literally hit the nail on the head for a viable creature

[narrow nova]

I will always play such creature

[cyan flame]

What exactly is stego "escaping", aside from trike and anky and maybe spino, being very slow. And yes, if you can't defeat it, then what? You just die?

[limber hull]

you already do

as long as you don't play pachy, that describes EVERY animal in the isle

[narrow nova]

If we really have it

This will be a kind of mental security feeling.

[limber hull]

literally the fact that you think it's shocking that stego would be able to do this, yet EVERY OTHER CREATURE can already do it is bizarre to me

(besides pachy but that points been beaten to death)

[cyan flame]

What? Oh and, the whole run away from rex, apparently it has a very fast, and surprisingly long ambush, so not sure how that'll go

[indigo gulch]

see I never understood this. I mostly play carnivore but if herbivores were weak there would be 1: No herbivores. 2: it wouldnt be realistic

[rotund fractal]

Guys you are still discussing steggo vs rex? xDD

[narrow nova]

If you run Rex won't have enough stm to kill you,if you don't you will suffer a massive damage and may die

[limber hull]

working on "maybe surviving" isn't particularly promising

[indigo gulch]

I guess so, cuse rex isnt out yet so there is no definitive answer I guess

[narrow nova]

There is never promising

[rotund fractal]

yeah but that a rex have no chance no 0% chance what some here wanna have, is also unreal and unfair

[limber hull]

no one wants rex to have no chance lmao

[urban flax]

No one said rex should have no chance at killing stego

[narrow nova]

Run you have more chance to survive,then you run or not？

[limber hull]

idk why we're leaping to such lofty conclusions

[limber hull]

so stego is faster than rex?

[rotund fractal]

for what a rex when rex will be knockout after one hit of a steggo? so what a rex when he is not the king of dinosaurs? xD

[limber hull]

brother. no one is saying this

why are we leaping to these conclusions its so dumb

[narrow nova]

Exhausting one's stamina is an effective method. You wouldn't even consider using it.

[indigo gulch]

that would also be dumb x)

[limber hull]

you know what's more effective? being able to fight or escape with either power or speed