general-feedback-discussion

[bleak kestrel]

More like only catch fish and only thing it could hunt is crocs i guess

[bronze niche]

its shown to also be good at hunting anklyos but thats prob coming years after spino

maybe they should both be dropped together ngl

[modest dock]

I know deinosuchus and especially deinosuchus players are in a weird position and doesn't seems to be pretty loved by the devs, but i don't think deino should be hated or downscaled as it is going to be.
Deinosuchus irl had a biteforce that was stronger than Tyrannosaurus Rex, was probably a bit larger than it is currently in evrima. Plus its an animal that is location locked around water spots, it should be on the same tier as spino or only a bit under it but not dominated by spino as devs stated. And i say that as a Rex enjoyer.

[icy lion]

Deino is thought to be between 6 and 7 tons and the "stronger bite than rex" was theorized by completely ignoring biomechanics using an oversized estimate

[urban flax]

If deino has to be made as strong as spino, then it has to be slowed drown dramatically
Otherwise it becomes the better playable

[cyan flame]

And ingame it's represented by the lunge weight thresholds I'd say

[icy lion]

Pretty much

It has a "low" damage bite because its entire design is its inescapable grab

[misty maple]

why is my feedback being deleted

[bronze niche]

not really, spino will be able to go from lake to lake way easier than deino, and spino can still hunt land animals like maia or teno

[icy lion]

#moderation

[urban flax]

Spino is going to be slow on land as well

Not much of a terrestrial hunter

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message

[karmic yacht]

i kinda like this but i dont think it should fill all diet slots i think it should fill 1 but it fills it up fast

cus then your gonna have all apexes give all diets

giga trike shant etc

[modest dock]

So thats the true story behind the false estimation of deinosuchus bite force ? Someone already told me that it wasn't sure deinosuchus had a stronger bite force than a t rex but I didn't got these details

[placid anchor]

#general-feedback message
I could be wrong, but most likely the Rexes will be popular for the first few months, then everything will come back to balance. There won't be enough food for all the Rex, most players will simply die of hunger.

[icy lion]

Pretty much, iirc the number was hypothesized by taking a modern crocodilian (Nile, iirc?) and directly upscaling it to like a 12-ton deino estimate, ignoring the structure and strength of the actual skull

[karmic yacht]

just make apex growing really hard it will put off alot of players cus they will feel like they are wasting their time

[modest dock]

Weird way to mesure the actual force of the animal. I saw so many stuff about Deinosuchus having a bite force slightly stronger than a Trex during these years that i genuinely thought it was a true fact

[icy lion]

Yea it's a pretty common misconception. And it's not like it had a weak bite either, it was still comparable to a rex's

People just latched onto the highest, dubious estimate, and now it's mentioned everywhere

[modest dock]

Yeah you mean its simply probability not as high as people think these days

[icy lion]

@patent pike Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers

[patent pike]

ty

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message It's literally instant

[valid delta]

I was once a fg deino at the NE lake, had a Cera run into the lake right in front of me, then comence to outswim me to the complete opposite side of the lake, leaving me for dust with its sprint swim. Lol Hackers do be frustrating.

[faint folio]

This assumes deino will get no adjustments when spino is added. Honestly, I could see them reducing deino water drain a bit to make changing locations more viable when spino is added, especially since other apexes will be in by then and will be a deterrent from leaving the rivers on their own

[shell finch]

when can we expect trex test?

[patent pike]

Yeah feels frustrating

[icy lion]

Once trike testing is done, after sparring is added

[shell finch]

oh i thought they finished it

[mortal parrot]

@tired kayak #general-feedback message I think the bleed resistance mutation is fine since it's purely defensive that doesn't give an unfair advantage like the damage resistance mutation since that actually affects all combat

[bronze niche]

spino will be slow on land but not as slow as deino, deinos practically useless on land when it comes to fighting and for a good reason anyway

[tired kayak]

I said that one because it can kinda screw over some gameplay opportunities of certain playables like a Reno with bleed res is almost completely Omni proof butttt without they have a chance

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message @acoustic pebble we really don’t need to turn the single most unique carnivore mid tier we have into just another generic medium to large sized carnivore to hunt the big herbis

If carno was strong back then was only because it was the only one in any position to take on tenos and stegos reliably

But it was always meant to be a small game hunter, not slightly smaller alberto with horns

[mortal parrot]

But it is a lot more situational, bleed resistance can also be seen as a healing mutation since you lose less and once bleed is fully healed you heal faster

[normal shuttle]

And also, golden rule: we do not care about what was it like in the Mesozoic. It’s The Isle, not real life, and it has a certain direction and intended unique role for all playables

[tardy talon]

Why do you hate omni?

[tired kayak]

yeah but like with omni when it comes to hunting larger creatures and I don't mean way largr like carno or teno somethign small but large for omni i feel like you need a huge pack now ngl i dont even play omni actually I am an herbi main but my point with that stands

[normal shuttle]

Playerbase victim complex
+
One no skill facet in the whole pouncing mechanic

[bleak kestrel]

I played dryo

And it feels kinda eh

I think it missing something

[normal shuttle]

Cuz it exists in a world where everyone else save for hypsi has something unique

[bleak kestrel]

Also i dont know what the boost gives.

[normal shuttle]

It’s a literal legacy dinosaur with extra steps rn

And it’s getting burrowing soon

[normal shuttle]

What?

[bleak kestrel]

The boost thingy

What it does ? Like make you faster for small amount of time?

[normal shuttle]

What boost? You mean the bars?

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah

[normal shuttle]

Those are the dodge charges

[bleak kestrel]

Would be nice if anything behind it when it uses boost would be kicked in a face

[normal shuttle]

When you rmb the dryo dashes forward at running speed in the direction your camera is facing instantly and lets you start running after finishing

[bleak kestrel]

And basicaly dryo when it uses boost should be immune to pounce

[normal shuttle]

Iframes on dryo would be hilarious

[bleak kestrel]

Basicaly instant acceleration?

[normal shuttle]

Sorta

[bleak kestrel]

No bonus speed?

[normal shuttle]

Instant juke that you can while running to immediately and unpredictably change your direction

No bonuses whatsoever

[bleak kestrel]

I think the dodge thingy should kick something that id behind you and if its 2x your size it should be able to stun it

Or make it slow down

Just for like very short time

[bleak kestrel]

Nice you tell me that cause for some reson i dont get IMPORTANT info like that stated anywhere ingame

Ngl i wonder what of instead of stego we got kentro and instead of deino we got kapro for example

I think the game would feel better to play ngl

[normal shuttle]

Disagree with kapro

That thing would have like no reach into the ecosystem

[normal shuttle]

We all know that including the devs well before Zenny said it

They’re gonna add a new UI to say stuff like that soon actually

[bleak kestrel]

Shh i still want kapro

Land croc would be nice

With like 200-300 kg

And very fast underwater and pretty agile for a croc on land

But i think it should be bit diffrent in terms of hunting than deino.

Cause grab and drown wont cut it

So what if grab and deathroll?

[normal shuttle]

At that point just add bary

[bleak kestrel]

Basicaly any one shot abillity that could be used even something twice its weight.

The bigger the target more difficult to do.

If dino can spin with you for time it will and have enough stam it will be able to surivive

[normal shuttle]

That wouldn’t threaten anything in the roster besides maybe Omnis at best. That’s the problem with kapro

And dunno if we really need a land croc that badly. The only really unique thing about it is a quadruped carnivore

[bleak kestrel]

Did you read thing about death roll?

Deino obvisouly cant have that as attack cuz too fat

But kapro could do that

[bronze niche]

it litearlly does a death roll when gutting

[bleak kestrel]

You read a part "as attack"

[normal shuttle]

Okay, pachy and mid adult dilos at best without making it stupid

Carnos and ceras would have kapro for breakfast

[bleak kestrel]

I mean its still a croc...

[normal shuttle]

A 200-300kg croc that by design wouldn’t really perform excellently in neither water nor land

[bleak kestrel]

Like it could have defense thing for big things that would threaten him

[normal shuttle]

And against +1 ton theropods

[normal shuttle]

Running into the water if you wanna make a land croc?

[bleak kestrel]

I mean its kinda really only thing he could against cera

[normal shuttle]

It’s just beipi on steroids but beipi can afford to be fast in the water because it is 90kg only

[bleak kestrel]

Why kapro wouldnt be fast tho. It would be faster than deino for sure

And if we gave kapro ambush it would be able to threaten beipi

Its really up to your creativity what you can do with kaprosuchus

It doesnt have certain limits like deino

[normal shuttle]

because it would be capable on land too

deino isn't

[bleak kestrel]

You know

I would understand if you mean 300kg deino cause that makes sense

But 9 ton fatty wont out swim or shouldnt out swim a kapro

And probably would be quite more agile due to his limbs in water maybe cause they could help him speed up touching bottom if the river/lake

But okey you just dont like idea of kapro i mean fine but like i dont get why its would be nice addition to the roaster

Like i hate that its all about dinosaurus like give me something else.

Megalania and deino sure but would be nice if there was more

Like nothosaurus would be interesting for example

Or fasolasuchus

Snakes maybe not cuz well we know whats the issue with that unless mostly aquatic so it would depend on water a lot and be pretty fast underwater

[quasi crypt]

lol you insta delte my message lmao

[icy lion]

We expect posts in the feedback channels to be constructive and descriptive. Your post failed to comply and was removed

[quasi crypt]

then get hungry again

GG

[bleak kestrel]

Did you kick him?

[icy lion]

Huh?

[bleak kestrel]

I think he left

@icy lion

I have question

[icy lion]

What is it?

[bleak kestrel]

What playable would you want ingame?

[icy lion]

Prestosuchus

[unreal ridge]

not really my first pick tbh

if i could push for anything

it would an aquatic rework and dakosaurus

that or some type of small mosasaur

might be easier just to get mosasaurus
if not, thalassotitan

[bleak kestrel]

I want fasolasuchus but honestly i dont really care wnich i just want the land croc lol

[bleak kestrel]

This would be actually interesting

Bud how much would it weight?

[unreal ridge]

2 tons

its a fully aquatic crocodile, its like a small coastal stalker

catch things like proto, velo, beipi, austro and any baby that crosses to get to like sanctuary or something

[wooden agate]

@normal lotus #general-feedback message does 'max size' include elder or would elder be bigger?

sorry i just started reading it but that specifically stuck out to me a bit

[unreal ridge]

hold on lemme read this

[normal lotus]

Elder would be bigger at 1.8 tonnes

I just kinda meant at fully grown

[unreal ridge]

jesus that is an overscaled megalania

[wooden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/ахуеть-зубы-gif-1568235677563266480

[unreal ridge]

the damage multiplier thing is just stealing from troodon

[normal lotus]

Its not damage, it's bleed scale

[wooden agate]

i DO like the idea of megalania being able to stun absurdly large creatures with a tail whip to the face

[unreal ridge]

i mean yeah, I mostly found the idea from megalania's concept art as it being an all terrain tracker

[wooden agate]

id also remove murder sprint, nerf its run time, and buff its run speed to around 39-40kph

with insane stamina regen

[bleak kestrel]

It doesnt make sense for me

[normal lotus]

Think of it this way. Imagine if a komodo dragon duffed you in the face with its tail.

[bleak kestrel]

I know megalania to use his arms and jaws with brute force

[wooden agate]

monitor tails are extremely deadly and used for fending off large animals in the real world, and being smacked in the face with a whip would be pretty painful and take the animal back a bit

[unreal ridge]

if we wanted to be really accurate
make megalania's murder sprint draw directly from its oxygen bar lmao

[wooden agate]

that would work, yeah

i just dislike murder sprint as a concept mostly

unfortunately it is real however

[unreal ridge]

komodo dragons cant really breathe and go full sprint at the same time lmao

[bleak kestrel]

Komodo dragons dont really use them and megalania is most smillar to komodo dragons

[normal lotus]

For me I personally like it on MEGALANIA specifically

[unreal ridge]

so like if you just outrun him for a while, his asthma will kick in

[normal lotus]

Thats because they don't have any predators other than other komodos where they live.

[bleak kestrel]

Hey they depend on thier saliva a lot

[unreal ridge]

yeah the venom is an anticoagulant

as well as helping them track prey

[bleak kestrel]

Well yeah but i think best idea is for megalania to just brute force with his arms and jaws defend mode with tail would be cool but also it cant see megalania actually attacking with her tail

[normal lotus]

Thats really only for things marginally larger than them.

A lot of the time they tend to wrestle and manhandle what they kill

[wooden agate]

i would send a video of a komodo directly hunting using its tail but that would fall under the animals in distress section of the rules

[unreal ridge]

kissen broke that rule so it's fine

[wooden agate]

i refuse

[unreal ridge]

yeah theres a video of a komodo dragon smacking a pig in the face with its tail

[wooden agate]

also, we're able to take a lot of creative liberties with megalania either way. having it be an amalgamation of monitor lizards just seems like the best way to go for a varied animal that can survive most situations it puts itself in

[normal lotus]

Especially since like...it ain't Australia where it was the top dog.

Its gotta deal with literal non avian dinosaurs

[wooden agate]

you run at a megalania's back side? you have now been hit in the face with a massive tail and get stunned for a second or two, allowing the megalania to run into cover and/or sprint away (if it has its murder sprint)

[normal lotus]

For me I like the idea of the murder sprint for get the hell in and get the hell out situation.

[bleak kestrel]

Damn i thought komodos tails are shorter

Yeah nvm make megalania use its tail that thing is like a whip

[unreal ridge]

wdym shorter lol its a lizard

[normal lotus]

Also look at megalania tail

Literally the length of the torso.

[unreal ridge]

just saw the quetz concept art and lowkey miss the monorail on gateway

remember that on gateway release?

[normal lotus]

@wooden agate oh also remember the minimal fracture damage megalania deals with its tail whip

So if something keeps pestering it, it could maybe even give them a fracture

[wooden agate]

this is a situation where fracture tiers would be one of the best things for the game

[bleak kestrel]

They maybe add it back

[wooden agate]

a low level head fracture that progressively gets worse if you get tail whipped more would be ideal

[bleak kestrel]

What if with alt megalania could do fast spin and do powerful tail blow?

[wooden agate]

me too. from whats been said, the transition into UE5 messed up gateway and that was one of the things that got messed up

the transition set them so far back, its kind of crazy.

[unreal ridge]

@wooden agate one thing I ran out of room for on my suggestion
i would personally like to see lifetime stats as well
this is a survival game after all and the ability to see your current stats and stats after you die I think would round this together

kilometers/miles walked, animals killed, pounds of food eaten, gallons of water drank, paired partners, children, nests made, etc

[bleak kestrel]

Ngl if they add dakosaurus it should be 1 ton

I would want it to be able to just jump out if the water and be able to grab/drag something 50% of its weight

[latent olive]

@manic oak hell naw

that would simply incentivise megapacks

there are talks of devs giving community server owners the ability to adjust group limits though

[bleak kestrel]

But i think dakosaurus could also have diffrent mechanic where jumping oit of the water will basicaly ragdoll something that would be his wieght and dako could be able to damage them with attack and if killed it could drag them to water.

It would have special abillity that would let it have small burst of speed on land so it will get bit faster to water

[latent olive]

wait how did I miss a megalania discussion earlier goddamn

[bleak kestrel]

Ngl imagine megalania just swallowing something alive

Like random dryo 💀

It would be kinda cool for it to be able to grab something and just eat alive if small enough

I have a silly idea

What if megalania would try to eat minmi alive it would vomit it out

Imagine how stupid it would be

[faint folio]

The only way that could work is if the mega has enough bite damage to one shot something and it displays as eating alive animations for horror flavor

Otherwise it's incredibly unfair to other players. Even deino works by reducing health (via oxygen) to 0

[bleak kestrel]

I mean like something thats 200kg

Like anything that size could just run away

Random herrera trying to jump on megalania but gets eaten alive would be funny

Also i think megalania should have two stages of its life

One where its very agile and fast and other one where its more slugish but its very powerful in terms of brute force and anything that can catch up to it wouldnt be able to kill it (alone at least)

[heady geode]

@manic oak you shouldn’t put two suggestions in one, 100%, rain is too loud, 0% if you’re running 10 ceras you’re dog, and if everyone in the group past 4 had a name tag there wouldn’t be any confusion leading to FF when you go around and canni every other cera, it’s the only defence against mega packs right now

[radiant isle]

Troodon is so close to being a great playable but the Desync is what kills it 80% of the time man, I have lost track to how many Troodons I lose to a Carno charge or Cerato bite when I am latched onto to them

[indigo gulch]

Yeah…..

[woeful latch]

desync was always my biggest issue with troodon

i don’t mind how weak troodon is, just let me play the game and have fun..

[radiant isle]

It's beyond infuriating...

[woeful latch]

desync helps troodon too, but when it doesn’t it’s just insta death lol

[indigo gulch]

It usually just kills you

[radiant isle]

That's the biggest issue because the margin for error is razor thin. It's horrible when it's not even you're fault

[indigo gulch]

It hinders you more than it helps

[woeful latch]

yeah lol

the day they will fix the desync i will actually cry

[radiant isle]

Same

[weak ermine]

even with network issues ironed out i think troo needs some help when it comes to fighting FG. Stamina is an issue

[limber hull]

HT Troodon doesn't really have that issue

Insane stam efficiency with the recent patches

[weak ermine]

oh yeah thats right, i have not tried HT.

[limber hull]

2.5% pounce cost and MASSIVELY less drain for staying latched

like its stam efficiency while hunting has been more than doubled its insanely good

[weak ermine]

before a maia, for example could just run away, the troo didnt have enough stam to pounce and chase.

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message carno isnt even supposed to hunt apexes

[heady geode]

when the players of small game Hunter want to hunt creatures 8 tons larger than them

Even at 1.3 ton, the Rex and trike are still small game, for a short amount of time, attack the children

[golden horizon]

fr

[ancient kestrel]

But also they turned fresh spawn troo life into suffering by making it 12 km/h 💀

[ancient kestrel]

If something getting grabbed - it instantly dies. Except deino grab

[limber hull]

honestly? haven't really struggled with it. The diet changes means that basically any AI you find is a free full diet completion and you can go on to kill new AI and just grow superfast

[ancient kestrel]

I struggle with AI on current HT

[wooden agate]

my first troodon life on HT went fine it feels alot easier to control as a juvie now

[ancient kestrel]

Nothing spawns except boars

[wooden agate]

i can see how some people would absolutely starve though

[limber hull]

my first troodon went like this

found a crab, then found a taco, which was carrying a chicken, next to a sanctuary full of gastroliths

needless to say i got a full diet and grew super quick

[ancient kestrel]

How you found a crab? I legitimately never seen them on HT

[limber hull]

went to the beach

found a crab

[ancient kestrel]

I walked across the beaches relentlessly and never seen one

To be fair even turtles didn't spawn in my case

Did you played shortly after server restart?

[limber hull]

i dont recall

[ancient kestrel]

Wack. I never get why AI spawns so odd

[wooden agate]

i also found a crab on HT

along with goat and tacos

and deer, plus frog

[ancient kestrel]

Sometimes find them stock pile on each other, sometimes - nothing

[limber hull]

@olive hemlock that is already exactly the case

[olive hemlock]

crocs can pull full steggos underwater if they are swimming ?

[limber hull]

yes

[olive hemlock]

since when

[limber hull]

since several updates ago

[olive hemlock]

weird

[limber hull]

deino has to be 100% grown to do it

[heady geode]

something big in water is easier to move something big on land

stay dry and any deino dies to 3 hits by you, fair trade I think

[wooden agate]

@sick oracle #general-feedback message not a bug

[thick summit]

@tame jetty well maia is a massive animal

Trike is fine

It wasn't very tall but it was quite bulky and heavy

Trike's size is fine

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

I'mma be honest ceratopsians in general have a colossal "damage issue"

Like they do surprisingly low damage given their niche and size

Both dibble and trike have remarkably underwhelming strikes for their size

[ancient kestrel]

I guess it's cause they made more to make up for them having reduction in head

[limber hull]

ehhh i dont think that makes up for it tho

[ancient kestrel]

More of a tanks than a damage dealers

[limber hull]

their flanks are exposed, they have horrible turnrates and i can only imagine the absolute nightmare of having to deal with 2 allos as a dibble

in fact, that should be their primary weakness. all ceratopsians have little to no way to defend their flanks. They can only focus on one opponent at a time

[waxen raven]

Idk about diablo but trike should be able to easily kill a stego and not put so much effort in one fight the stego can just stand still and spam it's ridiculously fast tail attack and in 5-6 swings you're already on red HP just under 30 seconds, not mention stego is faster and can outrun trikes

[limber hull]

Nah, def applicable to diablo too

Also remember trike doesn't have sparring yet so it's already at a mechanical disadvantage

[waxen raven]

So you're telling me trike knocks down a stego and barely doing damage when it's pocking 2 huge horn inside a stego's belly is ok?

[ancient kestrel]

I won't be against ceratopsians being buffed but I already imagine all those people whining that they are already OP

[waxen raven]

Also tanks?? Have you seen how much damage stego's tail swings deal it's insane

[ancient kestrel]

Nah, thats not OK

[waxen raven]

To a trike that is

[limber hull]

i mean... yea it should do that much damage, that's what stego is meant to do

trike needs sparring and blocking

[ancient kestrel]

Stego will do more damage than trike regardless but trike definitely needs damage buff

[waxen raven]

Not to this degree especially against a fg 9.5 ton triceratops

[ancient kestrel]

We don't have damage per weight scaling

[limber hull]

i mean, yes to this degree if it's going to face a 9.35 ton rex. i do agree trike needs more love, but stego is not at fault. give trike sparring and we'll see how it performs, because sparring attacks tend to do more damage, and the ability to avoid a stego hitting your flanks would massively benefit trike

[waxen raven]

Sure sparring might fix some issues but goddamn 2 horns entering your belly barely does any damage

[ancient kestrel]

Trike have stomp and can knock stego with certain attacks tho

[limber hull]

trike's stomp is to combo into its knockdown iirc

[ancient kestrel]

Damn. I thought they fixed that but in-edible AI is still happening on HT

Thats just annoying

Whatever happens I never find alive frogs, rabbits, chickens on HT - they always dead and bugged

[sweet oasis]

#general-feedback message

ok and on top of all of this. if they move cannibalistic to 3rd slot then subby rexes can't get it to make their growth faster by eating other rexes. this has been my wretched cannibal feedback novel

[frank tapir]

unless they have it naturally...

[normal shuttle]

Dude

How

Like

1v1 trike rolls stego

You can do nearly 2k damage to one with the knockdown and goring attack to the head

And you can just stunlock it

Only problem is when there’s two of them

[waxen raven]

Stun locking is hard to do as it's a bit bugged

And stegos mostly win fights against trikes

[normal shuttle]

Nah

You tripping

[waxen raven]

You haven't seen all the vids

[normal shuttle]

I don’t care about the vids. I roll stegos as a trike

And it’s hilarious with the knockdown to adult specimens

[waxen raven]

Most of them are stegos hunting down trike's and trike's loosing to stegos

[normal shuttle]

If the trike is clueless that’s their problem

Or if there’s 2 stegs

[waxen raven]

Stegos should not feel confident and approach a trike it's ridiculous

[normal shuttle]

One on one is perfectly doable regardless

[waxen raven]

It's almost impossible to catch up with a stego rn

[normal shuttle]

Good

I don’t think trike should catch up to a stego because then we would have pre nerf trike trotting them down

And honestly two stegos feeling confident about a single trike feels fine

Plus trike is missing sparring. It will probably just 100% sure roll stegos once it is implemented

Since you are no longer forever stuck in powerswing range when attacking

You can immediately walk backwards and charge again for a knockdown

[waxen raven]

I didn't mean in a sense when a trike is trying to hunt down a stego I meant during a fight, you're not agile or fast enough

[waxen raven]

Great so a fg trikes is dead upon seeing 2 stegos good point

[normal shuttle]

Because trike is missing a main movement mechanic and its stats aren’t final. And even then you can still do something about it to turn around and get them

[normal shuttle]

Never said that angyboy

[waxen raven]

You never said that true but it makes sense

[normal shuttle]

Nope

Trike could probably still do something about it

With its passive 75% damage reduction

[waxen raven]

Yup I'm just saying trike is currently not in a good spot especially in damage aswell

[waxen raven]

Oh please one hit to the tail by a stego deals sm damage

[normal shuttle]

You can two shot ceras. Is it really that bad especially accounting for defense?

[waxen raven]

Ceras can run away from stegos

Trike has no chance

[normal shuttle]

Wouldn’t mind trike getting a little more damage, but in a vacuum its stats look rather fine like those of dibble

We gotta wait for the sparring to see how it is tho

Hopefully it will fix the horrid movement it has now that feels worse than biped maia

[waxen raven]

Not against stego

[placid anchor]

Please tell me, which setting is responsible for reflections in water? I thought it was a bug, but several patches have already been released, and I have no reflections, although if you look at the videos of other players they are

[waxen raven]

I think you'll need more than 15 hits to kill a stego and trike's slow as hell rn with it's attacks that should be more powerful while stego is free to spam it's tail attacks at any given moment on a trike's back or tail and do a ton of damage in no time, I really hope it's not the case with sparring

[waxen raven]

I'm not really sure but I think it's Lumen

[normal shuttle]

Do the math for trike’s attacks

And also each power swing except the running one cost 10% stamina for the stego

[placid anchor]

No, it's not it.

[normal shuttle]

It’s not free to spam lmao

And trike’s goring attack for example deals 750 damage on knocked targets. If you keep your health above orange (not hard especially when you can cc opponents), that’s literally a quarter of the stego’s health if you hit the head if the knockdown was anything close to frontal

[waxen raven]

You can still manage to kill a trike while still having stam with or without mutations even

[normal shuttle]

Because the stego can be mildly skilled, yeah

[waxen raven]

That's just another problem, realistically talking these horns entering a stego's belly should deal way more damage it just doesn't make sense, even to the head, it would crush it. All this effort by trike to just kill one stego

[normal shuttle]

We don’t care about accuracy here

[bleak kestrel]

Trike isnt even fricking finished

[waxen raven]

Isn't the game supposed to be realistic

[bleak kestrel]

"oh it struggles to kill stego" just dont attack it lmao stego also aint no pushover

[bleak kestrel]

To be realstic stego and trike wouldnt even fight prob

[waxen raven]

I can see how a tail swings to the head of a cera can be fatal, but 2 horns entering your belly should also be fatal

[normal shuttle]

Not the kind of realistic where something gets obliterated in 2 hits without ridiculous size difference or being ambushed

[bleak kestrel]

Can you just stop

[limber hull]

with sparring, unlikely. If a trike can put itself facing its back to terrain, not only can it defend its front easily, but stego will hit the nearby rocks, stunning itself

[bleak kestrel]

Imagine complaining about unfinished dino

[waxen raven]

No I'm just worried it's gonna come out that way I'm giving feedback

[bleak kestrel]

Its so hard to just wait? And you just start to complain while you didint even used 50% of his abillites

[normal shuttle]

Once it gets sparring

Stego is done unless you somehow fumble

[bleak kestrel]

But you dont know how it will be also

[waxen raven]

And then what if it decides to attack me? What's exactly your point

[normal shuttle]

Just kill it

Stego seriously is doable 1v1 as a mildly aware trike

Don’t let a skill issue overshadow everything else

[bleak kestrel]

Well you prob can solo a stego with finished trike

[limber hull]

sparring will protect you

genuinely, dibble without sparring was equally trash, and got obliterated by stegos, but after the HT updated it, it was literally murdering stegos in droves

[waxen raven]

Hopefully that's the case

[normal shuttle]

Because it doesn’t need to

[wooden agate]

because it's fine where it is mainly

[normal shuttle]

It does its role JUST FINE

[bleak kestrel]

Just use a diablo as example.

Its a fricking unit of a dino and something twice its weight?

[limber hull]

it doesnt need it. HT carno is already near perfect

[feral lagoon]

Did they change something in ht? I haven’t try it

[limber hull]

completely capable of fulfilling its role thanks to the stam buffs, slowing its bleed rate, increased growth speed and higher agility

[feral lagoon]

Nice

[waxen raven]

We'll see how it plays out

[bleak kestrel]

I know how it will be its obvious.

You realize puporse of HT.

It will get a lot of changes you basicaly complaining about dino that wasnt offcially added that why its in testing

[waxen raven]

You can't possibly have an idea how it's gonna be like there's a lot of stuff you have to take in account for

[limber hull]

sparring also comes with its own unique attacks and abilities

so in reality, trike is missing almost half its kit

of course a more finished animal like stego can easily find vulnerabilities

[bleak kestrel]

Tell me how dibble was?

How it was when it wad offiically added?

[waxen raven]

Dibble is different it has a smaller hitbox and it's faster

[bleak kestrel]

But its based on same mechanic its closest thing to a trike we have

[waxen raven]

Just because it's the same mechanic doesn't mean it's the same species

Or can can be able to do stuff that diablo can

[bleak kestrel]

It will be fun just wait until its added actually

[ancient kestrel]

No. It ssupposed to be immersive

[waxen raven]

Immersion doesn't mean ignoring basic logic

Realism still plays a role

[ancient kestrel]

realism ain't do any favour for gameplay

In fact it useless and even harmfull for gameplay and balance in certain situations

What we need in gameplay is healthy complexity and enjoyable experience

[waxen raven]

That's exactly what the isle is not approaching, look at cera vs stego

If a stego's tail to the head can one shot a cera then why can't a trike severely wound a stego with the horns to the belly

[frank tapir]

#isle-discussion message

[cyan flame]

Because realistic damage isnt neccesarily going to make for a good game, technically trike and stego would probably one shot each other, given correct hits. Thagomizer through neck, trike horns through face, either option through the others belly/side, and so on.

[waxen raven]

That only implies to stego right now and is maybe also over exaggerated, trike rn doesn't deal the expected amount of damage when it's horns connect to anywhere on stego's body

And the isle is approaching a more realistic approach based on other playables

[cyan flame]

Is it really?

[waxen raven]

Is it not?

[cyan flame]

I wouldnt neccesarily say stego oneshotting cera is only due to realism

[waxen raven]

I'm not talking about realism through how the dinosaurs are supposed to look like physically but simple logic in fighting scenarios

[limber hull]

it is not realistic. it is immersive

it's done a pretty damn good at tricking you into thinking it's realistic tho, which is testament to its immersion

[cyan flame]

And I'm not sure that x oneshotting y is neccesarily realism, deino would otherwise just crush stego head, and cera might get one shot purely due to stego having glass cannon damage, while cera is rather small

[waxen raven]

Still the realism behind that attack justifies it

[limber hull]

the isle's combat is not particularly realistic either, but it's exceptionally clever in how it approaches its visuals and audio, as well as uniquely providing fitting niches to each animal to provide an exceptionally immersive experience

the isle runs on the idea of immersing you. a stego tail doing very little damage would break that immersion, because you want to FEEL the impact of that stego's thagomizers colliding with the target, and the Isle does that in strides

that's not to say immersion/realism is bad, merely that The Isle has NEVER been realistic with its approach, and chooses to trick you into a "pseudo-realism" which it presents in an extremely believable way

[waxen raven]

And I wanna feel the force of the horns trike has entering a stego's belly and crushing every organ

[frank tapir]

I don't think trikes horns would crush organs, they're not really made to crush

[limber hull]

yea but see you can't feel the force of a deino crushing down on a stego's head and killing it instantly, or the force of a stegosaurus hitting a trike in the organs at just the right angle to instantly, painfully kill it

again, immersion over realism

[urban flax]

Balance comes first

things the size of stego and higher are honestly too much of a time investment to be oneshot by anything

[bleak kestrel]

If someone thinks the isle is supposed to be realstic just remove him from #general-feedback at this point

[waxen raven]

Immersion doesn’t always mean good gameplay. If the devs focus too much on “immersion” at the cost of logic, balance, or realism, it can ruin the experience. If Trike’s charge barely damages Stego’s belly because of “immersion,” that’s just bad design it should be devastating. If Trike tanks multiple Rex bites because "it’s immersive for it to be tanky" that breaks realism instead of supporting it. If dinosaurs act in ways that don’t match their strengths, like a Trike hesitating against a Stego when it’s built for tanking and charging, that kills immersion instead of helping it. Immersion and logic should work alongside realism when it comes to the isle, not against them

[bleak kestrel]

If you dont get that you shouldnt do suggestions at all

[limber hull]

Again, Trike ISN'T DONE

[normal shuttle]

bruh

are you still talking about this

[limber hull]

This feels like an important note that Trike is missing half its damn kit

[bleak kestrel]

I tryed to explain it but he doesnt get it

[normal shuttle]

trike is gonna obliterate stegos when it gets spar no diff. The numbers so far are fine and it deals almsot 1k damage with a headshot on non stego targets with a normal attack on top of one of the highest bleed values in the entire game

[limber hull]

Sparring stance tends to also buff your damage, so Trike will be hitting like a monster truck while in that stance

[bleak kestrel]

Dli just stop youre not making any point youre just annoying

[normal shuttle]

you do not want to mess with a decent trike with the terrain in its favor

let alone with sparring when it can go backwards or correct its position quickly

[normal shuttle]

trike 3 shotting stego in the head with sparring attack is gonna be crazy 🔥

[cyan flame]

I do imagine trike can tank a fair few rex bites, since well, it's designed to tank damage in the first place. And is it barely damaging the stego, can't you get like 1K+ damage out of that scenario at least? That's noticable, especially when stego lacks the weight. If we had 8T stego, then you could probably give trike some more damage.

[normal shuttle]

knockdown, spar, hit, hit

and the guy is nearly done

[waxen raven]

I meant 'crushing' in the sense of causing internal damage, a hit to the belly could still ruin organs or cause severe trauma, even if the horns aren’t crushing bones directly.

[cyan flame]

Thing is, this would apply to pretty much everything. A single thagomizer through the body of an allo, or even a trike or rex, would do the same.

[normal shuttle]

and we dont need trike (or apexes for that matter) one or two shotting each other

[bleak kestrel]

Okey we get this your whole point is trike needs a buff but you dont realize its unfinished

[cyan flame]

In that case, we'd end up with trike and stego oneshotting each other on body, if only due to massive internal damage and bleeding since they both sport quite the weaponry

[bleak kestrel]

So like stop whole your idea is pointless because it planned to be buffed already

[limber hull]

^

Trike has a huge buff in store

One that will turn it from apex fodder to nightmare with horns

[waxen raven]

You imagine it being able to tank a few rex bites but not tank tails?

[limber hull]

It... It can do both

[bleak kestrel]

The fact everyone was telling you that and you still cant stop.

[cyan flame]

Considering that stego seems to have been designated glass cannon, yeah, since rex can tank more in return than stego can. But you can tank multiple tail hits already?

[waxen raven]

Yeah it does make sense but it doesn't really imply for trike at the moment and for stego it's exaggerated unless it's a direct perfect hit on the neck

[normal shuttle]

it can do both fine bruh

[cyan flame]

Is it? If trike horns in stego belly should hurt, so should thagomizer in trike belly? Very similar kind of weaponry for them after all

[bleak kestrel]

DUDE TRIKE IS UNFINISHED JUST STOP ITS NOT EVEN OFFIICALLY ADDED

[normal shuttle]

stop, we get it, you lost a trike to a stego. Either take measures to avoid that or wait till stego stands no chance vs trike

[waxen raven]

I am waiting, I just don't like the damage triceratops is doing

[limber hull]

i play trike knowing full well im at a disadvantage, because it really is at one

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah okey just wait and stop this pointless conversation

[cyan flame]

It seems to be designed more as a tank than damage, opposite of stego, so it might make sense if you look at it that way

[normal shuttle]

600 damage with normal attacks is not enough for you? or 750 with a no stam cost goring attack on knocked targets?

or 750 with the sparring lmb from what I was told from the files in the game?

it literally 4 shots stego without counting the running knockdown that does 750 too as well apparently

[bleak kestrel]

I think this dude want trike to just be stronger than stego and no diff it and be unbalanced

[normal shuttle]

I just think this guy, with due respect and no intent to be spread salt over a wound, got outplayed by a stego

[waxen raven]

While both are powerful weapons there's a key difference in how they affect their targets Trike’s horns are designed for penetrating and causing internal damage through sheer force, while Stego’s tail is more about blunt impact and slashing. The tail could damage a Trike's belly, but it wouldn't cause the same kind of internal trauma as a direct horn strike. The mechanics of the hit differ, so the damage potential isn’t identical even though both are dangerous

[normal shuttle]

because otherwise this discourse wouldn't be as insistent

like saying that a trike realistically would obliterate a stego with a charge to the belly

[bleak kestrel]

Okey but were not talking about real life but a game

[waxen raven]

Nah I've seen many trike's already being hunted down by stegos

[cyan flame]

What? Since when would stego do impact, it's not an anky, and slashing? How? They both basically just shove their spikes into the target?

[foggy field]

Becouse trike is without spar

[normal shuttle]

well then, you shouldn't really be using youtube vids as evidence because trikes can also be clueless and thinking they can simply trade a steg

[foggy field]

Trikes alt atacks needs buffs tought

[limber hull]

i'd say all ceratopsians need better damage values on alt-bites

also wtf why does dibble get nerfed on flips but not trike

[foggy field]

Dibble is much faster

I think its becouse of that

[foggy field]

True, and a knockdown on them

[limber hull]

ya

[limber hull]

dibble just feels worse imho. it's gonna suck with allo's release as it stands imho

[normal shuttle]

also pachy needs something 😢

[limber hull]

oh for sure

[normal shuttle]

imagine pachy having increased fracture or damage on knocked targets

[foggy field]

A cerato can tank 2 alt atacks from a trike and live.

[normal shuttle]

or getting its stun back on ceras and carnos. Absolute cinema

[limber hull]

no. dont.

[normal shuttle]

dunno why it got nerfed as hard. Just give it a stun if it misses brug. Or even keep it if it lands while also incapacitating the other

[normal shuttle]

😔 but griefing...

[limber hull]

yea i dont like it when my tenontosaurus is renderred entirely helpless because a pachy decided it so

[normal shuttle]

lol fair

[foggy field]

This is peak stupididty

[normal shuttle]

but either way I think pachy really needed something at least this hordetest. It is completely helpless against mildly competent omnis or dilos

well no, I guess I can personally perform well in a one on one

but if there's two omnis or the dilo gets an ambush you are done

omnis slowing you down below trot speed making grapple ridiculously easy 💀

and then dilo in ht

[bleak kestrel]

I think omnis are rather easy to deal if u run away and in 1v2 you could come on top

But dilo isnt like slower than pachy?

[urban flax]

Dilo is faster than omni

[bleak kestrel]

What.

Why???

[limber hull]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[urban flax]

Because it lacks the agility omni has

[bleak kestrel]

But i think it kinda makes up with venom and durabilty and damage

But i guess it needs some way to avoid carnos...

[urban flax]

It doesn't have much damage without its venom, much less than omni that is
And it's only marginally tankier as well, while being less than 1 km/h faster

[bleak kestrel]

Oh it only a bit faster

But how fast is pachy?

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message yea packs of raptors are supposed to be dangerous not a duo of them

[urban flax]

I don't knw the exact number of pachy's speed

But it's close to being the same speed as cerato

[woven bane]

41.8 and 40.2

[normal shuttle]

photo tissue cera is faster than pachy

[urban flax]

Well don't worry
Pachy can surely break cera's legs with a headbutt and run awy before cera can retaliate

[normal shuttle]

nnnnope!

Cera has innate fracture resistance, more than carno

[urban flax]

(I know)

[normal shuttle]

takes two rams for a fracture on a fg one

😭

[limber hull]

it doesnt have fracture resist fun fact

idk why but it has more fracture health rather than fracture resist which is bizarre but true

[urban flax]

Consistency is just boring

[acoustic spruce]

@waxen raven you forget that stego a long ass tail thagomizers? Ofc those deal so much damage. But I do agree that trike should deal quite a bit of damage she. Attacking with its giant horns

[normal shuttle]

@split estuary who would've guessed? Pinning down a creature 3 times your size so that it is literally unable to do any counterplay and just watch helplessly as the raptors bite and claw at it for +30 seconds is actually challenging and hard to pull off even when two omnis already slow down a cera to a speed marginally above a trot and also passively drain its stamina

Don't be that one dimensional thinking. Omni can still do damage and bleed with its pounces, and on top of that you also have a lmb button to bite and deal damage with only your running time as stam cost.

and tbh it's also fine and even intended for cera to have a good matchup against omni

[mild isle]

Am I mistaken or can you not already pin Cera as two raptors? I remember doing it at least twice in my last playthrough- not sure if the Cera has to be low stamina for that or if the ceras we fought weren’t entirely fg (they weren’t babies, but)

[limber hull]

you can if you exhaust the cerato

[normal shuttle]

you can even with not fg raptors if it below a certain stam or blood threshold

this guy is talking about pinning a healthy one

it would hilariously overpowered if omnis could just do that again

[normal shuttle]

@solemn hornet I want apexes to be hard and skilled but at the same time I don't like all three of those points, especially the second one

having giant slow carnivores at the brink of starvation after 20 minutes traversing the map is just flat out artificial bs and ironically something that wouldn't depend on skill

why not just make their diets exigent and hard to attain instead of killing them if no one is in that section of the map? You would also reinforce hotspots with that

[solemn hornet]

You maybe right about the 20 mins , but honestly i just dont want the whole server to be rexes , trikes , and others apexs , if you choose to play as one be ready to suffer

[normal shuttle]

also who cares if they cant enter sanctuaries? they have to leave shortly after due to their weight gain

And in regards to growth, having deino growth is completely unnecessary. You only have deino as that so it can be vulnerable to its own and also other people for a long time, because its environment has no one else. But with more animals (especially apexes) in the ecosystem it won't be a big deal that trike for example gains 6 tons at 50% and then it plateaus hard, because that would make it hard to grow with rex around

[normal shuttle]

then make it actually reliant on player skill rather than having someone on a ridiculously low timer and they just have to suck it up if no one is in their area or they are not close to a hotspot

like making diets harder to get

[solemn hornet]

So waht you mean by diets harder to get?

[normal shuttle]

we don't need to turn all apexes into deino

[modest dock]

Same here, don't want to starve every 20 minutes with a playable, its unrealistic and not fun. Part of the gameplay is to rest sometimes too. There should be a balance in that. Also , thats why diets exists, its better to make diets harder to get than starving 4 times a day ig

[normal shuttle]

slower diet gain or faster decay, so in order to take 7-8 hours growing instead of 12 they have to be active players with a high success rate in hunts and the like, as well as usage of other diet maxing mechanics

and not have them starve in 30-40 minutes

[solemn hornet]

Okay I really was way harash with the 20 mins I got it

[normal shuttle]

even then

40 minutes for something like a rex is so low

it's an ambush hunter, it has no real capability to traverse the map quickly and chase after its food

just make growth actually harder and not artificially so

[modest dock]

But i agree with one point trike grows way too easy rn

[solemn hornet]

Okay but how can you make growth harder ? Diets fast decay or slow gain is the same artificial way of making apex grow longer, so what can actually be done to make the growht hard?

[normal shuttle]

should be toned down a little, most people agree

but just that, toned down

it doesn't have to be like deino, only hitting 4-5 tons at 70%

[unreal ridge]

Trike was a big baby yes

But I feel like it shouldn’t hit 2-3 tons until 30-40%

It just makes trikes weight so hard to gauge for many predators, especially deino

[foggy field]

Cera has everything for some reason

[thick summit]

I think if apexes could not enter sanctuaries at all, their growth would already be hard enough

Apex herbis are forced to seek out migration zones which is very risky

And apex carnivores can't feast on other juvis until they're large enough to leave

[indigo gulch]

Meanwhile deino doesn’t even get ai food until it has almost starved

[thick summit]

Fr

It has to eat the leftovers

[woeful latch]

deino should know its place👹

-# (bottom of the food chain)

[ancient kestrel]

Well Dilo have much shorter bite cooldown. You can rapid fire your bite attacks if you proceeded to stick to someones tail

[ancient kestrel]

To be fair it just being suffer cause semi-aquatic roster is in a much more in-complete state than terrestrial. When more things like bary, sucho, austro, cheirus and minmi being added - it will have better times finding food in waters

It will be get dominated by spino once this will be added tho

[desert arch]

Dont make me send the gif

[woeful latch]

i dare you

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-mmm-cheesy-cheese-cheesy-gif-19257011

[woeful latch]

oh that was fast

[rugged timber]

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[vernal jacinth]

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[rugged timber]

<@&933486433342222376> if you could delte this so nobody gets a virus or their accounts trapped in that server thank you

[barren crater]

Btw that suggestion you posted wasn’t a bug. If you check your hunger bar, you can see the bacteria filling. That’s related to a hack iirc

[rugged timber]

i came to that conclusion afterwards but either way something has to change about this

[barren crater]

Agreed

[rugged timber]

the server has 20 ish people like wtf

and we cant even controll that

[limber hull]

you can tell its a hacker because the bacteria is applied from nowhere

[rugged timber]

i didnt notice i just saw that i puked

[ancient kestrel]

I would say that the less people on server - less chances that someone will provide evidence

It's logical for cheater to do what he do on less crowded server

[desert arch]

@quartz summit troodons growth time is 55 minutes on 100% boost

[quartz summit]

oh sorry, i will fix it

[pliant elm]

Which is a long time for something weighing 60kg.

[gritty heart]

Deinos flee when my beipi quacks

[woeful latch]

real

[steady dust]

A gator spawn in east swamp best advice new to game nothing herelol and other places far

[unreal ridge]

@placid anchor the only problem I see with this is kinda just the sideways blinking
Dinosaurs just do that, modern birds do it too
It’s a membrane so they can blink and partially see at the same time, the only time they really close their eyes is when they want to sleep

Other than that I agree with most of the things you said

Especially the eye whites, it looks weird

Like when tenonto was fresh to the game and had huge bulging eyes

[normal shuttle]

@dawn hound explain the logic behind your feedback because it literally is just asking deinos to leave their food to rot for 7 minutes in order to get diet

[dawn hound]

Deinos are just really easy

[normal shuttle]

I told you to explain the logic behind your feedback

Not the (perceived) cause

[dawn hound]

that is the logic

deinosuchus is the most stupidly easiest playable in the whole entirety of the game

every single place i enter, has at least two deinos

and even when i go to a lowly populated server (talking about ten players) i remember seeing 2 deinos in a river

[normal shuttle]

No, if is the cause

You are telling me why you are posting this

But not how is this going to fix anything that you consider an issue

[woeful latch]

that won’t change the “easiness” tho

[unreal ridge]

Well I mean deino isn’t really supposed to be hard right now
It doesn’t have any real predators besides other deinos and maybe Herrera

it’s also a crocodile so it’s great at surviving

[woeful latch]

the only reason deino is “easy” is because it’s the only aquatic, you only really fear other deinos.

it’s easily fixable by adding more aquatic dinos to the game

[dawn hound]

Im talking about the fact you can hunt anything 50 meters away from any water and then a deino just smells it and walks his ahh over there to steal it. So many times

[unreal ridge]

By this logic why wouldn’t we nerf ceras nutrient gain? There’s so many of them everywhere and they can eat everything so we should just nerf their nutrient gain

[woeful latch]

well it will steal it anyway and will guard till it’s rotten..

won’t change anything

and i mean stealing corpses is a good game mechanic, shows how croc even on land is a great enemy for small things like cera

[normal shuttle]

Growth sucks tho

And yeah strictly speaking it is viable

But you are completely at the mercy of other crocs

It is pure gambling

[unreal ridge]

it is an apex crocodile

8 whole tons, 10-11 at elder

[normal shuttle]

I mean yeah it should be hard

What bothers me is how it achieves that difficulty

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah ngl its stupid that other crocs are like biggest threat

[normal shuttle]

With the brutally one sided matchup when other crocodiles see you, having no agency over what you eat due to safe spots and hotspots being disconnected and then reliance on groups to survive canni pairs

[bleak kestrel]

Also crocodiles arent really that aggresive towards eachother in real life too

[tame plover]

The croc vs croc is absurd atm.. Sometimes it would be nice to feel safe in water and just being able to play the patience game without constantly having to look over your shoulder

[bleak kestrel]

I real life croc actually can love i groups

[gritty heart]

Depends on the species but yeah, deino is vastly more aggressive (in group) than most crocodilians, especially alligators

[unreal ridge]

You’ll still have to look over your shoulder, but right now deino is the only water apex

[icy lion]

@limpid heart Ptera is actively being reworked

It's not available in hordetesting yet, though

[limpid heart]

@icy lion Thanks for your answer I didnt know about that.

[placid anchor]

I already wrote about this. This is not the third eyelid, here we have a separate second pair of eyelids. This is not natural.

[bronze niche]

@stone hatch carnos growth time was reduced which unfortunately means that the devs are doubling down on its size change

they shouldve found another dinosaur for their small game hunter fantasy not carno

[wooden agate]

@weak terrace you can get to literally any fresh water source on the map right now lol #general-feedback message

[wooden agate]

i mean tbf carno's identity as a whole excels at that stuff

ramming smaller things in open fields?

knocking them down and then hitting em with an alt bite?

for some odd reason people think small game = dryos/hypsis/beipis

when in reality anything under 1000kg is small game to carno and absolutely an easy meal

not to mention 2 carnos can mess up tenos and maias easily

[limber hull]

what dinosaur would that even be? Carno fulfils the role perfectly. It has the speed no other animal of its size has to keep up with said small game, a ram that allows it to knock down flightier animals without needing to time so it can hit smaller hitboxes more effectively, so on

HT carno feels super good. It's my favourite version of carno in the game's history.

[woeful latch]

same tbh

[weak terrace]

I was referring more to the travelling between bodies of water. Deinos move super slow on land unless they are running, but their stamina also drains incredibly fast. This causes you to have to either wait or move at a snails pace to get anywhere, all while your water is draining incredibly fast. I was just suggesting making it so that Deino's water drains slower, even by a small margine, to allow you to travel across land masses easier.

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

Adding bigger AI for rex and allo is a bad idea on its own and should not be used to justify anything lol

apexes should be hard to grow, regardless of herbi or carni

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

@mortal parrot i actually really like the fake vocals. i just feel like they need to be more overwhelming to some extent OR depend on the stage of venom

im still a big advocate for Troodon reducing nightvision capabilities

[mortal parrot]

I think they're cool, but they just feel very meaningless, I would prefer if they just kept the hallucination effects purely unique to Dilo and give Troodon unique stuff

[pliant elm]

Troodon's fog fake vocals are also pretty bad... If it was call 1 mixed with the current sound it would be much better

[wooden agate]

id love a mix of F calls, 1 calls, and 4 calls

maybe 3 calls but tbh troodon 3 call is not very threatening lol

[mortal parrot]

They just don't work for Troodon like with Dilo

[indigo gulch]

Imagine if you only got 1 calls

[mortal parrot]

I want them to keep the idea of "Dilo affects the mind while Troodon affects the Bdy"

[indigo gulch]

Gosh I’d go insane

[wooden agate]

i think you have them switched around Spy

nvm

[mortal parrot]

I noticed

[wooden agate]

i get that, i still want night vision damage though

[indigo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-the-isle-gmod-troodon-troodon-the-isle-dilophosaurus-gif-9629496049012538059

It sure does affect the mind too if you hear that too often

[mortal parrot]

The only way Troodon should affect the mind is by gaslighting prey into thinking they're juvies of that prey with mimicry

[wooden agate]

i still want to lure a sub carno or something with a fake limping troodon into a horde

[wicked pine]

Wym by this?

[wooden agate]

carnos growth rate matches cera now, it had its bleed modifiers removed, has better agility, and has increased stam

[limber hull]

Carno on the hordetest branch has basically all of its core issues on live solved

[wicked pine]

The better agility sounds nice fr did they tighten up the ram hit box at all?

[wooden agate]

that, i dont know

[stone hatch]

"knocking down" and carno in the same sentence in 2025 💔

spiro carno but if we just significantly reduced charge damage and required a normal run up was perfect

literally peak

hearing or seeing a carno as anything smaller than it was like seeing darth vader or batman

[wooden agate]

sprio and peak in the same sentence in 2025 💔

[stone hatch]

now carno is genuinely such a joke bro i ran full speed at one as a pachy yesterday

that is something i would absolutely never even think to do before

carno lost all of his aura genuinely such a pathetic lanky ahh joke

[wooden agate]

if the carnos are bad, sure lol

a good carno wipes the floor with a pachy any day

[stone hatch]

i remember hearing a carno roar and my heartrate instantly going up now i run straigh towards it if i am playing anything larger than pachy

[limber hull]

seriously? you'd never think to run directly at a carno as a pachy before?

i highly doubt that because of the simple fact that pre-U6.5 pachy existed

[stone hatch]

sorry i didnt mean stun pachy

stun pachy was built different

[limber hull]

also an animal shouldn't be balanced by "aura" lol

I'd argue that pre-rework Gateway carno lacked more aura lol

[stone hatch]

im not really talking balance in that sense im just talking game enjoyment and fun

in all seriousness it is definitely much more healthy for the game if carno was size accurate

[limber hull]

lowers its head and completely exhausts itself, but also needs to charge for a long duration to stun ANYTHING, and can't ram again without waiting 20 seconds

literal joke of an animal

also how is it healthy? genuinely i find new carno far healthier than any past carno

[stone hatch]

competition

[limber hull]

they don't have to slap on tons of arbitrary debuffs on this carno

[stone hatch]

they didnt really have to on old carno either

the only problem ever was charge

[limber hull]

and they turned charge into a joke at the later stages of 1800 carno

[stone hatch]

right now carno essentially just doesnt interact with half the roster

more possibility of player interactions is good for the game

ceras, dilos, omnis all should fear carno as their main predator tbh

[limber hull]

not every animal needs to interact wth every animal

sadly, as much as one may want, the noble minmi should generally evade the mighty rex

also, cerato's predator is allosaurus

[stone hatch]

true but we need a predator for sub adult allo

at least sub adult

[limber hull]

we're getting sub-rex

before allo

[stone hatch]

because realistically what is going to kill a fully grown allo besides herbivores that it picks a fight with and gets too cocky against

it should be significantly faster than every apex carni

[limber hull]

also wouldnt cera be good at killing sub allos?

[stone hatch]

we need something to bridge the gap between cera sized dinos and allo sized

[limber hull]

we still haven't gotten baryonyx

[stone hatch]

i just cant see how jumping from the low 1 thousand kilos range to the high 2 thousand kilo range would be good

with nothing between

it would be really nice to not have such a split in mid teirs

baryonyx is gonna be the only exception

adding carno means we would have a medium mid tier on all terrains of the map, interacting with a wide variety of other mid teirs

[limber hull]

wouldn't bary be a far better all-terrain option?

carno is a plains specialist. bary is capable in and out of water, and has the speed/agility to exist in plains/jungles/highlands

[stone hatch]

i doubt it would be something to chase down anything

a short term threat

you die or dont

i cant see baryonyx runnning down a teno through the forests all the way into highlands

[limber hull]

does it need to chase down anything to be considered valid as a predator?

[stone hatch]

no not at all, it would just be good to have something that is that size that would specialize in chasing things down

[limber hull]

i also can't see carno doing that without getting rocked, nor do i think a carno should be doing something like that effectively

[stone hatch]

teno and carno should be heavily teno favored but still scary for teno tbh

[limber hull]

eh

[wooden agate]

unironically i can see bary being pretty speedy on land

it seems the most true "semi aquatic" animal in game

[stone hatch]

peak teno/carno matchup was when the carno charged you and you slammed him and based on your timing you either got knocked over or stunned him

highest skill fight ever in the isle history

that was the matchup of all tiem

spiro teno v carno

[limber hull]

man i hated that matchup lmao

absolute snoozefest of either you get nuked by the charge or you dont

[stone hatch]

teno shouldve done more damage and carno charge shouldve done less damage but the entire fight being two skill shots competing was so fun

charge obv much much lower skill but the fact that it was a game of precise timing for a massive strike was peak

the isle combat will never give more dopamine than perfectly timing a slam on a charging carno and kicking his face in gave

it felt like hitting a quickscope headshot

absolute model for the isles combat moving forward but sadly it feels like individual player agency has been sort of removed in favor of realistic "you shouldnt survive actually" mechanics such as pins

where the player is forced to die because them living is wrong

[wooden agate]

just wait until you actually start quickscope headshotting people with snipers

[limber hull]

i dont understand where this comes from when pins were always a planed thing lol

hell, omni used to be able to pin things TWICE it's own weight

[stone hatch]

a mistake to plan

[wooden agate]

that sounded sarcastic but i do think the image of a stegosaurus dropping dead from a sniper is (unfortunately) hilarious

[stone hatch]

we gotta be honest the entire playerbase is terrified of the balance implications of guns and we are kinda just ignoring it because we love eachother and love this game and we dont wanna think about that 😭

[limber hull]

oh i think guns will be fine but snipers are a horrible plan for like a dozen reasons

[stone hatch]

im so terrified for large herbivores man

[limber hull]

i remain steadfast on the idea of "lol just dont be in plains" is not an answer lmao

there exists literal animals that have migration zones near exclusively in open spaces

tf are they supposed to do mechanically speaking they HAVE to do that

[limber hull]

also i know a dude who exclusively wants isle combats to be pins and whatnot lol

[signal olive]

@icy lion make the rain quieter og

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-eliud-gifs-warhammer-40k-lucha-warhammer-40k-combate-warhammer-40k-secret-level-gif-15817601867962818557

[tired quest]

a single trike can clear a whole pz or mz's food right making it difficult for other small / mid teir herbivore player to enjoy the game, plus there is always a herd of them

in real life herbivore share same space by occupying different niches ,some only eat the soft tissue and fruit ,some focus on grazing the grass or digging out the root /tree barks

[normal shuttle]

seriously?

[limber hull]

yes

[normal shuttle]

Bruh 😭

Imagine this game’s combat being just cutscenes with no counterplay

Omg so exhilarating

[limber hull]

"I want every dinosaur to have a degree of pin or something" to quote

[normal shuttle]

💀

That sure would be a fun game

As if Omni pin wasn’t bad enough with how drastically changes fights

424kg omni vs galli: the hitter player wins and it’s even in the Omni’s favor but galli can still skill its way through

426kg omni vs galli: haha rmb and I win taking no damage

Such a brilliant mechanic

[tired quest]

atleast let other full grown gali be able to kick off the omni and save their pinned friend

[normal shuttle]

Not something I like to account for

Because it can be used to counter every single matchup argument to have ever existed

[wooden agate]

@bold oasis stego BF is based on its lmb lol

which is a bite

[bold oasis]

True lol not the best example

[wooden agate]

i do think BF should more accurately show your main attack though

[bold oasis]

I changed it to a better example. I agree

[lone solstice]

Ello! What do you guys think about what i wrote in the feedback channel? I am curious.

[urban flax]

It would be more annoying than useful
Also making it RNG makes it inherently worse

[lone solstice]

Why is that?

[urban flax]

Inverting the enemy's controls at random isn't really useful as you cannot predict them
If anything it might make them avoid some attacks not on purpose because of the sudden direction changes
It's also very easy to adapt to and becomes completely useless after the first 0.5 second of confusion
Also useless of people who are not moving

RNG is just cringe
All in all it'd make troodon more infuriating to play against, but not hard and it troodon itself would not feel stronger either

[lone solstice]

But if you know that it can happen you could potentially just wait for it, then do the pounce when an opportunity opens.

Then again, it does kinda go against tier 3 nature where every troo wants to get pounces in... Hm.

What if Each troo, individually, can make the % higher when pouncing in tier 3 once per Cooldown?

As for people standing still, could add the cannibal effect, they do random stuff, still opens windows of opportunity i reckon.

I do not see how you can adapt to something you don't control, mind explaining that? 👀

[urban flax]

Just forget about RNG completely

[lone solstice]

No, you have to understand that without it, people can exploit it, RNG adds a safety layer to mixpackers abusing it.

[urban flax]

Players adapt by going "I press W to go forward, but I know every time a troodon bites me I know there is a %chance of my controls getting inverted so I'm ready to press S to keep going forward as soon as my dino turns around"

[urban flax]

You cannot convince me RNG is a good thing, especially not in this kind of game.
All it does is make a mechanic unreliable and much, much, much harder to balance properly

Also I have 0 idea what it has to do with mixpackers

[lone solstice]

With the way animations work, turning around on heavy playables already adds an opening, have you seen maia turn? dibble turn? Trike turn? That's a solid second and a half /2 seconds.

[urban flax]

Because what it does the most is prevent troodons from even knowing when their (useless) ability triggers

[urban flax]

But these don't run away from troodons

[lone solstice]

Mixpackers exist, if they exist, they will use everything to their advantage to help other playables in a fight. The idea is to give something Troos can use without other playables taking advantage constantly, like the reduction in stamina idea.

[lone solstice]

...What does that have to do with anything? the point of this mechanic is to give more openings to troodons to get pounces in, not to prevent prey escaping, although it does make it a bit more difficult.

[urban flax]

But literally no one can take advantage of your idea

[lone solstice]

Bucking already uses RNG 🤷‍♂️

Seems like the devs are on board on using these type of mechanics already.

[lone solstice]

I don't get why you think that though.

[urban flax]

It takes 0.5 second for the prey to realize their controls have been inverted and adapt to it
It takes roughly that amount for troodons to realize their prey's controls have been inverted and they have an opportunity to pounce
Which leaves them an extra 0.0 second of opportunity

[urban flax]

And it's awful, everyone hates it

[urban flax]

How can troodons make use of a random mechanic if it's, well, random ?

Even if you make the prey flash bright red when it's controls get inverted, they cannot predict when it happens, so they don't have time to react

[lone solstice]

...Thing is, they do have time.

Obviously, if you make an omni turn around, they won't.

But big things DO give time if they move incorrectly, it's what ceras abuse to hunt dibbles, maias, and big things in general.

You cannot predict a player doing X or Y normally, neither can you with venom, but it's not about "predicting". This ain't league of legends, this is a survival game, It gives openings for hordes that need to kill big things cause they have mouths to feed.

[lone solstice]

People hated the stamina changes, and it is an objectively good change. (Save for some species, cough ptera cough)

[urban flax]

People hate RNG bucking, and it's an objectively bad change.

[limber hull]

RNG is not fun, and especially not having your controls randomly inverted. That doesn't make for fun counterplay or interesting gameplay, it creates frustrating moments where you feel as if the game isn't responsive and adds an artificial learning curve to those who have to face against Troodon

[lone solstice]

And keep in mind it's not just movement, it's attacks too, alt attacks, bites, movement.

[limber hull]

RNG bone break was also a terrible idea

[lone solstice]

Stamina you mean? or the RNG?

[limber hull]

RNG

[urban flax]

How do you even do that control-wise
Also turns it from completely useless to completely useless BUT OP in very specific situations if you're unlucky

[urban flax]

The RNG bucking

[lone solstice]

That's why there's a CD in place, it's not gonna happen every 5 seconds.

also keep in mind they gotta keep you in tier 3 and be coordinated. Few troodons can actually manage that.

[limber hull]

having control randomly stripped from me would absolutely infuriate me and make me despise the animal

and i am a troodon main. i love the thing

[urban flax]

Idk what's so good about randomly inverting controls that warrants troodon having that rather than an actual buff

[lone solstice]

In terms of implementation? Should be fairly easy with UE5 blueprints. Otherwise i don't get what you mean.

And by that logic Bucking is OP if the raptor is unlucky, it's just what it is. That's why pin exists, not saying it's perfect tho.

[lone solstice]

Never did i say troos shouldn't be buffed, i even stated it.

[urban flax]

By that logic it is, and that's why RNG bucking sucks

[limber hull]

Yes, by the same logic, bucking is an awful mechanic, thanks for noticing

RNG bucking is godawful for that reason

There is no skilled counterplay or engaging gameplay. You either get screwed by chance or you don't

[lone solstice]

Would you guys rather have herbis buck automatically every time a specific amount of stam is spent

[limber hull]

no

[lone solstice]

? that'd make things predictable

[limber hull]

bucking should deplete a resource of the raptor and force the raptor to consider whether to continue engaging or retreat

it doesn't need to be stam. sparring charges and dilo clone charges prove you can make non-stam dependent resources

[lone solstice]

But it fits tho, troo is a really fragile animal, it's venom produces seizure like movements animation wise.

Besides, dilo takes away part of your sight and part of your hearing, i don't see anyone complaining bout that, it's still player agency taken away.

While that is true, it'd be kinda unfair for the herbi, cause they do have to spend stam.

[urban flax]

Reversed controls are not fun nor useful for the attacker

[limber hull]

It fits for deino to a stego by the head once, death roll it and instantly kill that 5 hour animal but that ain't fun

[urban flax]

Blindess isn't fun either, but it is very useful for the attacker

[lone solstice]

That's your opinion. I think it could be useful for an agile playable like troo.

[limber hull]

At least I have control of my character in the dilo circumstance. Also Troodon does that too

[urban flax]

I gave you examples of why it wouldn't

[limber hull]

So the dilo example is bizarre because that is also a Troodon ability

[lone solstice]

Troo doesn't benefit from the dilo mechanic.

[lone solstice]

Yes, you did, i read them, and i disagree with your statements, that's what a debate is, not always you can reach out to the other person, and that's okay.

[urban flax]

There is no way troodons would have the reaction time to take advantage of it
If there is even an advantage to be taken

[limber hull]

Troodon also wouldn't benefit from the random turn mechanic

If anything, such a mechanic would be purely detrimental

Because they could randomly rotate unpredictably, screwing up your pounce and killing you

Or in the case of trike, literally accidentally face you and kill you instantly lol

Once on stage 3, there is no safe way to pounce

[lone solstice]

It's a matter of patience, wait for it to happen, THEN pounce.

The only flaw i see with the mechanic is that it contradicts the "frenzied" nature of every troo wanting to pounce a target at tier 3, that's the main issue for me while thinking it over.

[limber hull]

If Troodon benefits off baits and causing the opponent to make predictable and punishing moves, you've literally created a mechanic to weaken its primary playstyle

Wait so TROODON HAS TO WAIT FOR ITS OWN MECHANIC TO WEAR OFF TO POUNCE????

[urban flax]

Wait for it to happen aaaaaaand the opportunity is gone as soon as you saw it appear.

[limber hull]

IN STAGE 3?

As a Troodon main, I'd despise this so much

[lone solstice]

What makes you think troodon has to wait for the venom to wear off...???

[limber hull]

No, the RNG turning debuff. Not the venom

Because you can't make good baits or predict your opponent

You literally made your opponent unpredictable via your own mechanic

Which is the worst thing a Troodon can do

[lone solstice]

The oponent already is unpredictable. I don't see your point.

And yes, the movement happens, good troos will get a pounce in against big stuff.

[limber hull]

As a good Troo, I would rather never have this

[lone solstice]

Also you don't have to, but it'd be far less risky imo

[lone solstice]

Good, that's okay, what would you implement? 👀

[urban flax]

Bites on envenomated target draining stam

[lone solstice]

...My point stands, mixpackers will have hound troos draining stam from others so they can catch up and obliterate them, not a good idea even tho it is cool and functional.

[limber hull]

Add any other mechanic besides an unfair mechanic that makes my life as a Troodon harder

Take, for example, something like a mechanic that works like cerato bile. Troodon has the ability to bite its prey, inflicting this venom, that applies to the prey's stambar (unlike cera's, which goes for the stomach). The application is increased with higher venom stages. When reaching the peak of the stam bar, the prey vomits blood, losing blood/stam/health, and putting them in a vomit animation.

[lone solstice]

That'd be awful for the balance of the game in general.

[limber hull]

Yours would be far better for mixpackers so I fail to see the point

[urban flax]

I mean mixpackers can already have hound troos killing their target, or pachys breaking their legs, or dilos running them down and blinding them

If you only want to design mechanics that are mixpack-proof you aren't gonna design a single mechanic
Even your sisn't mixpack-proof

[lone solstice]

Not really, you can still outrun troos, with your ideas, you can't if they catch you.

[lone solstice]

Precisely my point, wouldn't it make it worse?

[limber hull]

I can't run from the mixpack if my dinosaur literally randomly turns to run towards said mixpack LMAO

[urban flax]

Didn't you sy earlier the mechanic would be especially useful against targets running away ?

[urban flax]

It would make it the exact same as before

[lone solstice]

No, i didn't, i said it gives windows of opportunity for troodons to get pounces in, that is it.

[urban flax]

I guess it would be worse because troodon would be stronger overall, but that's what happens when you buff any playable
It becomes better in mixpacks because it becomes better overall

[urban flax]

I thought it was what this was about

[limber hull]

It doesn't even do that

[lone solstice]

Yes, that is true, but the way you and Alphonse put it, it makes troo ideal to wear down targets and disable escapes.

[lone solstice]

In no point in that statement do i say that's what it is for 😂

[urban flax]

Yes
But it will never be better at preventing targets from escaping than omni, dilo or pachy

[lone solstice]

or at least i don't see it

[lone solstice]

You sure...? Some creatures resist pachy hits currently as they are hard to hit specific areas.

But troos draining your stam? good troos will do that to you constantly, it'd be a nightmare scenario.

[urban flax]

And also that's why I said bites draining stam, not passive stam drain on envenomated targets
This way troodons actually have to put themselves at risk to benefit for it, so the prey can just kill the troodons if they don't want their stam gone

[limber hull]

raptor can drain your stam

[lone solstice]

IF you buck, it's not the same.

[urban flax]

Creatures that can resist a pachy's fracture will most likely be able to shrug off the stam drain from a 50kg creature

[urban flax]

Raptor pounce passively drains stam from the target

[limber hull]

same as troo's actually

[lone solstice]

Oh? that's a thing? I did not know that, sorry.

[limber hull]

nope. dont need to buck. it just drains it

if we do everything in constant fear of mixpackers, we might as well add nothing

[lone solstice]

I mean... if it makes you vomit and such like it was said previously, plus the stam drain, plus the damage... I dunno i don't think so.

Imagine having a mini cera running around.

As for the biting to put themselves at risk, pounces are more risky if the opponent is concentrated on you, so i think it would just make it easier to use rather than add to the risk.

You can just use hit and run and your prey will have their stamina take a considerable hit, depending of course on the values of that ability, i would imagine it ain't even close to ceratos, hopefully.

[urban flax]

How are pounces more risky than bites

[lone solstice]

True, but Mechanics CAN take that fact into account to minimize damage i think, look at pachy they had to gut the poor thing back on spiro cause the pachy squads disabling everyone were sickening.

[limber hull]

it had nothing to do with mixpacking tho

it had everything to do with the pachy just being very powerful to an unhealthy extent

[urban flax]

You can do them for further away, they automatically put you out of reach if they connect, you jump away when dismounting and can instantly start running away
Bites do none of that AND you run the risk of colliding with your target and stopping completely

[lone solstice]

You are locked in place with a predictable trajectory going directly towards the opponent, a teno tail slam, a stego swing, a carnivore alt attack and you're cooked.

With bites, you can do run bys, nibble their anckles and that's it.

[lone solstice]

Have you never seen the pachy and stego mixherds?

Or pachy and carnivore mixpacks? They were nightmare fuel.

I sure as hell remember them! 😂

[limber hull]

yea, they're still possible

in fact pachy is only viable atm in herds/packs of that manner

[lone solstice]

but far less functional.

[limber hull]

it's equally functional tbh

[lone solstice]

than they were before.

[limber hull]

it's just worse as a solo animal

its mixpack potential is the best part about it

[lone solstice]

hmm... no, pachys do not have the same impact they used to.

Could still work? yes

Like in spiro? No, they've nerfed it rather than address what's wrong.

[urban flax]

What

[lone solstice]

Bubulblu, im fairly certain we speak the same language i do not know what's so confusing

[limber hull]

also wait yea you said pounces are harder than bites????

no?

pounces are SO easy, especially on Troo. Thing launches itself at machspeed

[urban flax]

It's not complicated math

Animal strong alone = Animal strong in mixpacks

Animal weak alone = Animal less strong in mixpacks

[lone solstice]

Yeah? it's harder to pounce than it is to bite as troo.

[urban flax]

Your conclusions

[urban flax]

But it's not ???

[lone solstice]

It is...?

[limber hull]

It really isn't and I've played troo for DOZENS of hours

[lone solstice]

i've played troo for extended periods of time, too.

Maybe we just have different playstyles or different experiences

But bites are easier to land and get away with.

[indigo gulch]

I mean….if you wanna use technicality, you can always bite but not always pounce but that’s hills etc and a massive technicality

[lone solstice]

If the pounce lands, sure, you're safe (Unless the prey is in a bad spot or traps you with the enviroment)

But if you get intercepted mid pounce? you just die.

Biting something and going away right after is safer, because there's no time to react to it unless what you're fighting saw you coming/Has INSANE reflexes.

[lone solstice]

Yeah... or lag and desync but that's something else entirely 🤣

[urban flax]

You can also get intercepted while going for a bite you know

[limber hull]

@spark carbon that's WITH NV on

you got the outlines

[lone solstice]

Yes, but far less likely.

[urban flax]

In what world does the prey have more time to react to a pounce than to a bite
Pounce is faster

And even if it wasn't, you can still pounce at point blank and be safe from retaliation
So at worst it'd be the same

[lone solstice]

I have landed more killing blows on mid pouncing creatures than on creatures using hit and run.

[urban flax]

That's probably because creatures who can pounce use 90% pounce and 10% bite
So statistically you'll hit more pouncers
Also lag and desync help a lot with that

[lone solstice]

That... usually doesn't work for me, i tend to have bad timing when i do decide to do it, the thing facing me at the wrong time tends to be the outcome.

but that's a me issue.

[lone solstice]

I've had raptors primarily use bite on me, with the occasional pounce for bleed/damage depending on the playable.

[frank tapir]

#general-feedback message this issue will be really clear once humans are added

@wispy abyss #general-feedback message they're making a new ui

[bleak kestrel]

Ngl the more i played beipi more i realized we need more rivers around the map

There isnt like a single river that connects to the ocean i think

Nvm there is only one

But i feel like we really need more water

We really need more water.

Main problem is that its hard for semi aquatic to travel around a map using rivers and etc would be nice if as aquatic you have more way to travel around the map and also would be nice instead of waterfalls we just got some rivers that have just stream going down and it would be more difficult to swim against them

And some places really feel empty so maybe adding water could fix this

[ancient kestrel]

I know omni mains will hate me but omnis weight should be nerfed to 400 kg

[ancient kestrel]

Btw there going to be connection between north lake and delta river because of new waterfalls

[urban cypress]

nope

[ancient kestrel]

Oh yes. No more fg gally get one tapped because of silly raptor

[urban cypress]

which means, it takes 6 raptrs to pin a fg carno

instead of 3

[ancient kestrel]

Nope. Actually 2 -3 will be enough because remeber how grappling is works

[urban cypress]

I thought it was based on weight. Carno is what, 1500kg now?

[ancient kestrel]

No. It's 1300

[urban cypress]

Allright, it takes 4 omnis to pin a carno

[ancient kestrel]

Eh. You don't have to be 4 because you can just exhaust it's stamina by neutral pounce (which got buffed on HT by consuming less stamina)

[urban cypress]

Thats not the point. Decreasing weight means it's not possible anymore (if its based on weight) to pin down larger dinos.

[ancient kestrel]

So you don't know how grapple works? Silly

[urban cypress]

enlighten me

[ancient kestrel]

Ok mass only matter when target have plenty of stam or blood but if one of those 2 parameters below certain threshold - you can pin ANYTHING just with 2 raptors

[urban cypress]

Uhm. no you can't

[desert arch]

Galli would still be pinned, it has pin vulnerability

[urban cypress]

if 2 fg omnis with 100% stam pounce a fg carno with 0 stam, the carno won't get pinned

[desert arch]

Thats not true

[ancient kestrel]

No you can. I can prove it. let me dig guide from our famous raptor fan Nickboa...

[urban cypress]

so silly 😄

[desert arch]

The omnis still need to exceed 25% of the victims mass

[urban cypress]

What he says, its based on weight!

so it takes almost 6 omnis if the omni weight is decreased to 400

[ancient kestrel]

Well 25% isn't 100%

[desert arch]

Well, it will get pinned

[desert arch]

Doesnt mean 2 omnis can pin anything

[ancient kestrel]

Ok, I found Kougas guide image

[urban cypress]

condition 1 is true, condition 2 is conditional

[ancient kestrel]

You wouldn't need 6 400kg raptos to pin carno

[ancient kestrel]

conditional condition. Damn I am not native speaker but that's sounds hilarious even for me

Anyway the fact is you would need 6 400 kg rapors to pin carno only if you want to do it instantly without exhausting it's health/stam/blood

[urban cypress]

Yes, thats the point.

[desert arch]

Carno doesnt even have 6 latch spots, so it would literally be impossible

It only has 5

[ancient kestrel]

What the point? You don't even have to pin carno - it dies from 2 raptors doing damage pounce

[urban cypress]

Sure you can outstam a solo carno, when there are 4 you want to instantly pin it. Based on group sizes, omni is ****

[urban cypress]

You must be a pro carno player then

[ancient kestrel]

Huh? It's just math

[urban cypress]

Thats not math

I want to be able to pin a carno instatly

i don't want to out stam it just becuase its possible

[ancient kestrel]

You drain carno's stam just by latching on it

Don't you know that?

[urban cypress]

the omnis stam will be 0 before the canro will reach 50%

[ancient kestrel]

With buffed neutral pounce consuming your stamina only each 5 seconds - thats bonkers

[ancient kestrel]

Carno isn't intended raptors prey anyway

[desert arch]

You can stay latched on for almost 4 minutes with a no input pounce now

Carno will reach 0 before you reach 50% stam haha

[urban cypress]

on horde test?

[ancient kestrel]

Yes

[summer forge]

@sudden otter I'm sorry but the idea of dinosaurs getting chemoterapy is so funny to me

[urban cypress]

well, nice to see omni getting buff. Still, i want to be able to pin (larger) dinos with just my body weight

it's kinda the omnis main thing. Not to just ride along

health sucks, speed sucks, but hell, a group of fg omnis is scary

[sudden otter]

hahaaha

im glad someone found it funny becase a lot of people thought it was a bad idea

[ancient kestrel]

You are not the one who decides what is omnis thing or not. That toatally depend on what devs designed it to have

[summer forge]

OH thank god it was 😭 you see so many things in suggestions that I was not even questionning it haha

[urban cypress]

ooh wauw