general-feedback-discussion

[indigo gulch]

Or supermarkets. They also never expected those to survive

[sudden otter]

shi my bad, troodon expert

[bleak kestrel]

💀💀💀

[desert arch]

Theres a reason the square cube law is a thing

[sudden otter]

WHAT

[indigo gulch]

Think it’s more a ant expert at that point🤣

[desert arch]

Id love to lift cars with one hand like ants, but I cant, for a good reason

[unreal perch]

wow you know your stuff!

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[sudden otter]

yeah but if there was 50 of you, you could do it

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-gif-25346575

[bleak kestrel]

Bro if troodon tryed to lift like something twenty times its weight it would be squashed

[desert arch]

Eh depends on the car but yeah

[sudden otter]

so the troodon idea IS VIABLE!!

[indigo gulch]

Nuh uh

[desert arch]

Would suck for the one being carried

[bleak kestrel]

Why you want pick up omni

[desert arch]

Would be like pin, but worse.

[sudden otter]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-gif-18399658447366638577

[bleak kestrel]

I dont understand the point of pick up mechanic

[sudden otter]

to steal eggs!

[bleak kestrel]

Why would you want pick up omni instead of just killing it

[sudden otter]

sacrifice to the troodon queen, its good roleplay

[indigo gulch]

You can already do that tho

[sudden otter]

true

[bleak kestrel]

You basicaly want to change whole troodon and make it something that he isnt

[sudden otter]

well troodon is in a weak place rn, changes happen all the time

[bleak kestrel]

If you know how to use it. It is not weak

[sudden otter]

nah it is

sorry to tag you my fellow troodon expert, but could you have the final say on the matter? is troodon weak? @desert arch

[bleak kestrel]

5 troodons can oblirate something that weights at least 500kg

[sudden otter]

hey hey, lets trust the expert

[bleak kestrel]

It does lack somethings but i dont understand how the grab mechanic will help

[sudden otter]

motivating

it would unite the troodons, a good teambuilding exercise

[bleak kestrel]

He disliked the post about the whole grabbing stuff

[sudden otter]

yeah but im just saying troodon is weak

[bleak kestrel]

Troodon needs better speed when younger and better venom

Honestly what makes troodon weak in your opinion

[woeful latch]

@desert arch #general-feedback message WHY WOULD YOU DOWNVOTE THIS

[indigo gulch]

Why not?

Also read up, he already said why

[woeful latch]

dude, i was kidding, i don’t know how you didn’t get it💀

[bleak kestrel]

Honestly at this point is hard to tell if youre joking cause some ppl actually arent

[woeful latch]

i pinged potato and he would obviously know that i’m joking. and i specifically added “ ”

[unreal perch]

sorry to cause suck an issue :(

[woeful latch]

i don’t know how that’s not obvious😭🤘

[unreal perch]

i didn't realise i was a bad idea... im sorry

[woeful latch]

it’s an amazing idea, they’re all wrong, dw

[desert arch]

Its fine ^^

And for the question, it literally depends on the server and your enemy's ping. On a stable server, vs a good ping player, you can solo even dilos. But after the buffs on the HT even bigger things may become doable.

[shadow belfry]

I actually really liked it mango

i still think your toenail clipper idea was really good

[desert arch]

I LOVE ants, I LOVE troodon, but making them mix is silly

[woeful latch]

mango downvoted their own feedback😭

[sudden otter]

:O

[desert arch]

Well I didnt know

[woeful latch]

i know lol

[desert arch]

Jokes on you

[sudden otter]

thank you troodon expert

[urban flax]

I can't even imagine how would 50 troodons (minimum required tbh) carrying a teno would look like animation-wise

[desert arch]

🫡

[woeful latch]

no way you thought i’m serious😭😭😭 you’re an actual potato 👹👹👹

[urban flax]

I mean I can see it looking like in cartoons with their tiny arms raised above their heads but that's ridiculous

[shadow belfry]

I think mango is just very misunderstood and she needs to be taken seriously

[woeful latch]

AHAHAHAH

[urban flax]

Thinking anyone needs to be taken seriously was your first mistake

[sudden otter]

they thought the people who invented planes were crazy to think it would work, but look at us now. iuts amazing what yo can do

[woeful latch]

so real

[indigo gulch]

Because it sounds like something you would say full seriously

[desert arch]

Troodon 😍

[urban flax]

Are you going to compare turning a videogame troodon into an ant wannabe for no good reason to every invention from the last two centuries ?

[desert arch]

That took a casual 5 minutes to send, potato wifi hell yeah

[woeful latch]

potato will be troodon queen🔥

[sudden otter]

is this you soloing a dilo

[woeful latch]

no u 😎

[unreal perch]

how did you do that! do they do that much damage??

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/not-today-gun-potato-gif-15103854

[sudden otter]

no reason not to

[shadow belfry]

maybe we could turn troodons into planes with wings

[desert arch]

I may or may not have 1k hours on troodon, shameful, I know

[indigo gulch]

Wtf am I watching in the end tho

What happened to you

[desert arch]

I wanted to die, it was a suicide mission haha

[desert arch]

I got wakanda'd

[sudden otter]

didnt the other dilo accidentally bite their friend here. still a great combat, but i dont believe you could solo a dilo no way

[woeful latch]

more insane is the fact that he got bitten by dilo twice and survived

[indigo gulch]

Congenital. It’s essential

[urban flax]

"most skilled dilo players" tho xD

[shadow belfry]

for all we know, that dilo could have tried to bite him and just got his toes

[woeful latch]

we know

[desert arch]

If they dont w+shift away from you, you can

[sudden otter]

no disrespect to you troodon expert of course 🙇, it was very well played

[indigo gulch]

You never know. Maybe you didn’t

[woeful latch]

troodon guru

[sudden otter]

gonna try this today

[woeful latch]

well

cough cough

🤓☝️ that dilo was also low hp and bit the tip of the tail, that’s why potato survived 😇

[desert arch]

Actually no

A tail tip hit does 8.5dmg even from a full hp dilo

And I was like 30kg in that vid

[woeful latch]

i just got outnerded😔

got defeated..

[desert arch]

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-minion-minion-girl-cyring-gripping-gif-23947866

[sudden otter]

#general-feedback message

this is actually a goood suggestion, very nice!

[vestal vapor]

@twilit monolith taco's do drop them. You need to eat the taco first and hope the dropped frog, bunny, chicken doesn't either fall up or down through the map.

With some careful positioning you can eat the carried animal too.

[twilit monolith]

I tried that but I still can't pick up the frog. It just kept swimming on the ground (eventhough it's dead) but I can eat it. 🫤 Someone told me it's getting fixed rn in ht.

[vestal vapor]

Ah ya, frogs are the most bugged out. Neither dead nor alive.

[dawn hound]

golden

[gritty heart]

Why did the death sound play a billion years before you died xd

Honestly with how bad the dilos were playing I thought you were gonna win xd

[desert arch]

I probably couldve won if I tried, but I didnt want to. It was a suicide mission😄

[bleak kestrel]

I so curious about elders

[normal shuttle]

@unreal perch

1. Adding a new mechanic to a dinosaur is not QoL.

2. That ability would only allow you to carry something like a hatchling or fresh spawn at best when you can just kill then with a bite and drag them away, which is also pointless to bring to a nest since it is a negligible amount of food

3. Why the hell would troodon be eusocial?

[bleak kestrel]

Like i think some elders should be able to grow twice thier weight for example herrera or troodon

Or at least weight

[normal shuttle]

350kg herra would be very nasty

[bleak kestrel]

Not really

He would be strong but also more wieght = more fall damage

[normal shuttle]

Hunting prey twice as large is a big deal

Puts adult carnos and ceras in the menu

Also potentially tenos

[bleak kestrel]

But i think it would come with a cost by not being so good at climbing anymore

[normal shuttle]

Does that really matter

It’s an ambush hunter

250kg at best and we’re good

And troodon with 80 would be fine ig

Mostly so you don’t get obliterated by a beipi

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah could work with that

[bleak kestrel]

I think 100 would be nice

Not making troodon venom more powerful but increase in damage

[normal shuttle]

If you make it bigger then it is paradoxically gonna perform worse against beipi for example

Since retaliation damage is gonna hurt and that bleed will leave you out of the fight to heal

Just make it do more damage or something ngl

Doesn’t have to be always a big increase in hp

[bleak kestrel]

Sure i guess

[normal shuttle]

And this would also make troodon worse

[bleak kestrel]

Ngl what if dilo would be one ton as elder?

[normal shuttle]

Venom is what allows you to do proper damage

[normal shuttle]

Cringe

[bleak kestrel]

I mean okey maybe no much but like some crocs are quite bigger to thier average size

[normal shuttle]

Doesn’t have to be a croc

And also I hate dilos

[bleak kestrel]

Imagine 12 ton deino 💀

[normal shuttle]

Still unable to grab a swimming fg trike

[bleak kestrel]

But can grab stego

[normal shuttle]

Super unfair 😭

[bleak kestrel]

Its elder...

Elder wont be easy to get

[gritty heart]

Tbh deino shouldn’t have a traditional elder, being a crocodilian. It should just indefinitely grow and an indefinitely slowing rate.

After a year of solid gameplay it would span across the entire isle

[unreal perch]

this has made me very sad :( i didnt think this idea would get so much hate... feels so mean

[bleak kestrel]

If they add elders basicaly best idea is for them to reach a size depending on how feed they were and etc and also how much they were sick.

Most important are nutritions because they can negate the other stuff that would make you grow smaller

[normal shuttle]

?

It’s not hate, it is discrepancy to its addition

[sudden otter]

you were very dismissive of the idea buddy

you can say it in a nicer way

[unreal perch]

i dont know the discreepancy words :( im sorry my idea is bad

i will think more on the ideas next time for better future

[sudden otter]

come on guys, lets be kind to each other

[bleak kestrel]

Were are on discord.

[sudden otter]

doesnt mean we should throw all kindness down the kitchen sink!

[woeful latch]

i agree!!!!

[gritty heart]

#general-feedback message

im pro dead whale but I think dead sauropod would be a little weird. Dead whales could make sense as washing up from the sea

[sudden otter]

thanks cheesy you a real one

[normal shuttle]

We all have takes that can be disagreeable

[sudden otter]

again with the big words...

[normal shuttle]

Or I can just discuss feedback and what I feel is right or wrong about suggestions justifying whether they should be added

[woeful latch]

that was an obvious troll feedback, why do people take it seriously😭😭😭

[bleak kestrel]

Still like this is type of kind conversation on discord

[normal shuttle]

It’s normal English speech

[bleak kestrel]

Wnich is rare thing honestly

[sudden otter]

speech! speech! speech! speech!

[unreal perch]

im sory the troodon queen is the bad idea, i love the ants and bees and think they have the cool tihngs they do

[normal shuttle]

Sentenced to playing deinosuchus in spiro

[sudden otter]

you cant make me

[desert arch]

spiro deino was fun though

I remember wiping the whole deino pop on a server as a duo, good old days 🥹

[unreal perch]

mrtroodon you are my icon!

i want to be troodon like you are the god dino

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-uhoh-sad-potato-gif-13882435

[bleak kestrel]

Anyway what yall thing about nothosaurus being a thing ingame

[sudden otter]

did you wipe out the entire deino population as a troodon??

[bleak kestrel]

Troodon can only kill like babies and also bleed on croc isnt very effective form what i know

[desert arch]

oh no I meant deino lmao

spiro troodon was doodoo

[sudden otter]

ohhh

[bleak kestrel]

Ngl i wish they added more rivers

Also adding saltwater drinking to every dino just kinda makes deino even worse

[sudden otter]

how about if they added chickens to the game?

[bleak kestrel]

We have chickens

Pretty aggresive ones ngl

[sudden otter]

oh hell yeah, add rabbits instead then

[bleak kestrel]

Like these little chick pulling on 1 ton stego 😭

[bleak kestrel]

We also have them

[sudden otter]

bazinga!

what if they aded dogs!!!

and we could keep them as pets

[bleak kestrel]

No we dont have dogs and i dont see why we need them

[sudden otter]

lots of games add pets as a feature

like sea of thieves, or mninecraft, you can have pet dog

you might be in the minority here tbh

[bleak kestrel]

Wait what you mean dinos have dogs as pets?

[sudden otter]

pet dogs is clearly a loved and successful feature on many games

now i know you just hate on any of my ideas for no reason

[bleak kestrel]

No dude its just too unrealsitic

[sudden otter]

we could domesticate them?

[bleak kestrel]

Like why would omni would keep a dog?

[icy lion]

@sudden otter Stop trolling, please

[bleak kestrel]

I hope he is ngl

[sudden otter]

i will stop, it was funny though

[bleak kestrel]

No it wasnt

[pliant elm]

#general-feedback message @harsh ridge Maia is really difficult to learn how to play, but when you learn you can even face 2 ceratos at the same time and especially with this buff he received in the hordtest

[unkempt merlin]

Alright with about 1k hrs in Legacy and about 200hrs recently in evrima i have some things i hope the community agrees with that i have found through my time playing both versions of the game. First of all, i just wanna say i wouldnt be in this discord or even writing this if ididnt see the potential the game has and how much fun it is even at its current stage. So with that out of the way here are some considerations i feel should be had.
Balance between dinos : To my understanding ive heard they aren't aiming to make the game balanced. but i would still like the ability as a smaller carni (omni, troodon, herra) and with enough skill over time of playing be able to solo kill something reasonably larger. The omni is barely playable alone since ceras are incredibly strong with their sense of smell and can eat anything they find. While AI on most "High AI" server are still lack luster and barren. I also think some herbs need to be tweaked in terms of mutations and stamina.
So many parts of the map where cross sections of the map arenty completely stitched together causing dinos to get stuck or even die.
Id also like to see more work on dillo, In legacy i felt it was appropriate for the night hunting predator to use bleed as its main way of killing prey but here the hallucinations are super glitchy and inconsistent when fighting other dinos. Besides it also being very easy to distinguish between real vs fake.
Ceras strength right now in almost every server i go into is ridiculous. The fact they get a buff mechanic over bodies. Apply sickness to any dino to completely turn an entire fight. Not to mention the ability to heal from eating and the cera can over heat without vomitting so after any fight you can disengage to a body tou have debuf on and heal to 100% health before any dino can heal the sickness.

[harsh ridge]

yes i have seen some good players but even the best player i have seen couldn't kill 2 ceras so i think maia shouldn't be this hard to play yes she is fast and big which makes her strong but her attacks are very bad

[unkempt merlin]

Carno hitboxes. I like the way carnos feel rn but the hitboxes on carno seem to be the most broken. But i will also say this for hitboxes in general, with omni its nearly impossible to get a headshot bite on a carno due to its height and hitbox variation. Not to mention Lingering and moving hitboxes after the animation has finished.

opinions ?

thoughts ?

[woeful latch]

you don’t have to repost this everywhere, get better at the game, that’s my only advice

[unkempt merlin]

i mean

to say the game is even is a good place is crazy. and ill say i def decent at legacy but evrima is just all over the place

trying to make good discussion just out of curiosity with who evers in here

unless its just cucks like you

[unkempt merlin]

everywhere is two threads?

just curious mate

[woeful latch]

little bro is mad🥹

[unkempt merlin]

love you baby gworl

[woeful latch]

post it once, it’s more than enough considering it’s 90% nonsense

[unkempt merlin]

so then elaborate instead of coming here and saying "wah wah your bad"

child

hes thinking

[pliant elm]

Maia's biggest problem is that the hitbox of his kicks is too small, not to mention the damage from his stomp, which also needs a slight increase.

[harsh ridge]

Definitely

A 3.8 ton animal needs to kick hard

[pliant elm]

Maia's stomp should deal 400 if it hits both times, with 200 per hit.

@mental mountain Herbivores being able to graze does not only benefit them but also the carnivores. The more herbivores that can survive, the more food there will be for the carnivores.

[shadow belfry]

be honest guys are we all down for my bepi idea that i posted earlier

[mental mountain]

There is no difference if they go for patrol zones. In fact, they'll be further forced to go for zones if grazing worked differently

[pliant elm]

If herbivores had the same difficulty getting food as carnivores, this would cause many carnivores to starve to death as well.

[shadow belfry]

@unreal perch i reall y appreciate your input into the feedback channel and found it very encouraging to see different types of ideas

[mental mountain]

Not really because they'd go to zones where the carnivores are

[unreal perch]

that menas so much thank yiu

[pliant elm]

A stego in an isolated part of the map that cannot graze will die of hunger, because it cannot simply find an AI walking around.

[mental mountain]

What

[pliant elm]

It was an example

[mental mountain]

Stego looking for AI?

[pliant elm]

A stego cannot satisfy its hunger even by eating many plants, and since it cannot hunt AI and eat like carnivores, it will die of hunger.

[mental mountain]

It can go to a patrol zone. Why would it randomly be in an isolated area of a map instead of where it knows food is going to be?

[pliant elm]

Stegos and trikes literally only don't starve to death because they can graze

[mental mountain]

There is another issue. They need to have plants with more food values for those 2

[pliant elm]

Or just keep the graze and increase the amount of food the plants give, more herbivores means more food for the carnivores, it's simple...

[mental mountain]

Grazing means they can camp a random area where no carnivores find them

[pliant elm]

And what's the problem? If he's going to stay in one place wanting to survive without interacting with anyone, there's no problem with that.

[mental mountain]

A carnivore can't do that

It's a free no die pass for herbivores without any thinking power put in it

[pliant elm]

And not to mention that him surviving at one point by grazing will make some carnivore find him somewhere else instead of him dying of hunger in a forest with no one to eat.

[mental mountain]

A herbivore being dead is so much easier to find than a living one

[pliant elm]

For a cerato? Yes. For other carnivores that can smell that far? Definitely not.

[mental mountain]

Even then it's still a yes

[pliant elm]

Cerato already has a lot of buffs, he doesn't need any more

Other carnivores must also be able to eat, and for that it is necessary to hunt, that is the purpose

If you can't hunt, go after AIs

[ancient kestrel]

#general-feedback message New UI will come soon (with Allo update I believe)

[mental mountain]

I also dislike this (unless it's like fish or some small stuff).

Assist the smaller dinosaurs and make the bigger ones have to work more

[mighty girder]

@vivid crow use /unstuck

[agile flame]

Any idea what the 3 gb patch was?

[vivid crow]

it didnt work. it set it on 10 min cd

[mighty girder]

unlucky. contact an admin for the server you're on, if youre on an official heres what you do, if unofficial you'll have to ask in their respective discord.

[vivid crow]

@wheat igloo Froody, Official evrima eu 10 - central. need help unstuck

[icy lion]

Check the pinned messages in #evrima-eu to see how to request assistance

[tardy talon]

What is this 😭

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

"Why the heck was it removed when boar is like one of the main things that spawn as AI?"
"I could practically live on just boar spawns with a cera and not need to corpse bully anyone."

Answered your own question near instantly

[normal shuttle]

Right

@vernal jacinth you know, maybe you are NOT meant to live off AI exclusively especially as a carnivore that weighs well over 1 ton?

[vernal jacinth]

And if you’re growing you need AI. So there’s that if you actually think about it.

[limber hull]

as a cera, not really no

cera can eat bones, rotten meat and smell food from FAR further away than other creatures

the AI argument isn't too applicable to it

[normal shuttle]

Not really as a cera

When you can just scavenge anything or eat one of the billion juvenile ceras that keep spawning

[inland vigil]

Have you ever tried standing still and holding q?

I've grown a cerato exclusively on bones and gotten incredible diet from it- enough to hunt a carno my size and sit pretty. It doesn't need boar

[pliant elm]

Cerato is as easy to grow as a herbivore, what are you complaining about? Xd

[inland vigil]

When was the last time boar was even on cerato diet? It hasn't been changed recently or anything because I'm pretty sure it's been player characters as dots for a while now

[ancient kestrel]

To be fair it will be logical to replace deer with boar in ceras diet cause chasing deers as cera is annoying

[limber hull]

id say its logical to just not give AI to cera

it has so many options that other carnivores just cant eat

that it can easily find and gain tons of nutrition from

[normal shuttle]

^

Because even then juveniles can get nutrients from ai or any dinosaur

Like who cares then. You can just rot the meat when you’re tiny and get the push anyway if you’re smart

But I don’t think big ones should get ai for free

[ancient kestrel]

Bruh. You overreacting. I only propose remove deer in exchange for boar

[normal shuttle]

Nah

No AI

You can rot it anyway as a juvenile

[night obsidian]

#general-feedback message @misty maple I like the concept too, unfortunately the devs said that the concepts are just that... concepts that might or might not make it into the game. Hopefully they will introduce more abilities that utilize weight more other than just "weight=health"

[ancient kestrel]

AI bodies can't rot

[normal shuttle]

Their meat chunks do

So as a small deino or cera you can get diet out of them

[icy lion]

@summer forge It does

[faint folio]

I think most people in here would agree with your last 3 points re: Cerato, map wonkiness, and dilo (although it might help the devs if you write down the coordinates where you find map issues and report them).

Really the only point of contention is your take on balance. First, I think it's important to say that something small like Omni CAN still kill something sizeably bigger, but it does require skill for the Omni and a serious lack thereof for the other dino. However, honestly because of how long the grow times are for larger dinos compared to smaller, I do think it's incredibly unhealthy for game balance for something like an Omni to be able to solo a rex for example if the rex has even moderate levels of skill. This is one change from legacy that imo is a good one. Plus, there are extenuating circumstances where a solo Omni vs rex is more viable - for example, if the rex just finished fighting a trike and is low health

[thick summit]

Sorry, but if you die to a solo omni as an apex....yep...that's on you

You literally have to hit the omni once for it to explode

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message They can't do that rn cause the main game loop isnt finished. Let's say they do all that work of updating the steam page and the official youtube to include things they have right now, but keep in mind they would have to change everything when the main game loop is done. There is no point in doing double the work, so I think it makes sense for them to finish the main game loop before they update the steam page and official yt channel

[ancient kestrel]

I doubt that updating steam page is so hard of work

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message Keep in mind maia is 46.9 km/t while cera is 40.2 km/t and dibble is 36 km/t, so the maia can easily run away from both cera and dibble, but the cera and dibble can't run away from maia. If maia could easily kill cera and dibble, there will be no chance for them to survive, since maia is much faster.

Usually balancing in the isle goes like this: If you can't run/hide from something, you can fight it. Cera and dibble should be stronger than maia, since they have no choice but to fight, if the maia wishes to do so

[golden horizon]

But why use time and resources to change it now, just for them to change it again later down the line?

[icy lion]

Typing usually isn't, no, but creating a trailer (or multiple), curating screenshots, and deciding exactly what you want to have written, in what order, in what emphasis to make people want to buy your game? That's work

[ancient kestrel]

Carno vs literally any small tier be like:

[ancient kestrel]

Still they could mention on the steam page that Evrima branch exists

Not to speak that Legacy is still set by default which is dumb

Anyone would have active developing branch of the game set by defalut

[golden horizon]

According to who? who sets these rules as a standard?

[ancient kestrel]

Thats not the rule. Common sense

[golden horizon]

No?

[ancient kestrel]

Yes?

Have you seen anyone else do that?

[golden horizon]

Pointless argument

Yes yes, im sure you know better than the devs

[ancient kestrel]

it just counterintuitive to make the abandoned part of the game is default one

Imagine how new players feel about that

[vestal vapor]

@silent karma darkvision in med to low light times only highlights or makes more visable the area within your vision range (of dino) anything past that is not enhanced.

I have NV turned off when playing deino during morning and evening while the light is changing just so I can see better.

[bleak kestrel]

Ngl im kinda sad some thing for dinos concept art got scrapped

[golden horizon]

If you put evrima as the default one, then you would have to change the whole steam page from legacy to evrima, and we just proved that, its just inefficient, since they would have to change it again when the main game loop is finished. That's common sense

[bleak kestrel]

Like omni being able in some way climb.

Herrera being able to rip small meat chunks from herbis

[golden horizon]

Its double the work, and it takes time and resources away from developing the game

[ancient kestrel]

Still bad that new players don't know anything about that. Just meet the fact that this a bad thing

[golden horizon]

How would you know every new players experiences? I was a new player once, and first i played the legacy branch, but after a while i found out, by talking to people ingame that there was another branch

People shouldnt be afraid of asking questions

"why does my game not look like the gameplay i saw on youtube of a big croc etc.?"

[ancient kestrel]

Point is that those questions shoud be answered not by community but by the game

[golden horizon]

Thats really a bad community if they arent willing to help. Ive helped tons of players ingame with how diffrent dinos work, like dilo or troodon venom

[ancient kestrel]

I wasn't even talking about community

Can you read the words?

[golden horizon]

you mentioned the community first, not me

Can you read the words?

[ancient kestrel]

Well I mentioned community to point out that game shoul'd answer the questions first and second is community who answers all other stuff

[golden horizon]

If you have questions about the game, wouldnt you first ask the community that has been playing the game?

[ancient kestrel]

If game make people ask about basic things - it's a bad thing

Those are should be explained in the game or on steam page

[golden horizon]

The isle is a hardcore survival game, its not here to hold your hand

And keep in mind, its still in early access, which means its still being developed on, that's just how it is

[gritty heart]

The legacy page is also listed as early access . . . With a claim of development being dead due to how steam functions

[golden horizon]

If you scroll a little on the steam page, everything will make sense

[ancient kestrel]

Let's take example of the most common type of that situation.
Guy sees that his favourite streamer plays some cool game with dinosaurs. He getting impressed and want to try this game. He buys it, boots it up to only find out that there are no official servers (community ones are hidden and most new people don't even know that they exist). Over. Guy getting confused by that an start to ask the questions on the discord or just refunds it.
Don't you see a problem here? @golden horizon

[golden horizon]

The main isle page on steam, just have to scroll down to find out

[ancient kestrel]

And? Devblogs doesn't mention legacy brunch and that you have to swithc forom it to Evrima

[golden horizon]

Before i buy a game, i always make sure to read about it, and if something confuses me, do you know what i will do? Ask questions

[gritty heart]

We don’t need the gritty survival to start on the steam page xd

[golden horizon]

It doesnt take that much time to figure out, that there is a evrima branch

[ancient kestrel]

Issue is that not everyone do that. I would even say that most don't because they don't have time or just dumb

[golden horizon]

If they dont have the patience to read about a game, the isle wont be for them in the first place, you need ALOT of patience to play this game 😂

[gritty heart]

You do not, you can always play cera as an ape

[ancient kestrel]

Most early acces game do list essentials about things on the main page

[golden horizon]

Only peasents play on officials, the enlightened play on community servers (prefereably low rules ones, cause rules suck)

[unkempt merlin]

cera requires no skill whatsoever compared to any other carnivore, its basically herbi easy mode but for carni

[golden horizon]

I was on the main page, i just scrolled down a bit

[gritty heart]

On a serious note why are you so dedicated on making the experience poor before even entering the game. This isn’t a seedy night club we are preventing the weaklings from entering by putting up a fake entrance and letting real ones enter on the side

[golden horizon]

True, unless you make it harder for yourself and go against stegos and deinos

[unkempt merlin]

okay but realistically nothing is beating those unless theyre brain dead or 5. cause stego just one shots and bullies everything

deino is waiting simulator

cera is hold q for perfect diet

[golden horizon]

Im not trying to make the experience poor, im just being realistic of what the devs can do with their size, and if its smart to do so.

[normal shuttle]

Most carnis have a pretty low floor ngl

[unkempt merlin]

low floor or ceiling ? cause i only see one playstyle for each

[gritty heart]

The isle is easy because it’s about as effective at teaching people as a non present elementary teacher. Meaning I can bully new players easily

[golden horizon]

Kissen mentioned that they will give cera the carno treatment, so dont fear, cera's end will be near

[gritty heart]

Cera is going to get a t rex bite through the spine

[golden horizon]

I do think its ridiculous to give cera a charge bite that cost no stamina and do 300 damage

[unkempt merlin]

Like i want the mid tiers to be strong and playable. I want all the dinos to be fun and playable. But when mechanics are broken and just ruin the game loop cause everyoine can abuse it then iots not really that great anymore since there 4 packs of ceras with 8 players each

[normal shuttle]

Most carnivores just have a very low floor, even the hardest ones to use. They have very basic and straightforward mechanics that anyone can understand and perform semi decently with them. Then there’s other with a much higher skill ceiling like omni or troodon where juking and ability can give you the edge in some unfavorable matchups. I still think cera is the easiest to use though

Across the board

[unkempt merlin]

yes but if youre new to the game and play omni or troodon i gaurantee their not staying on the game long since to be decent or even get any kills out of omni you have to be cracked on the sticks or coordinated with 10 deep

[gritty heart]

I mean pretty much every playable is easy besides dryo and hypsi (the other ones that struggle are luck (deino) and skill (ptera players cannot fly)

[unkempt merlin]

just a bit more balance and i think that the game could feel way better in terms of matchups with other dinos and sustainability.

[normal shuttle]

In all fairness, ceras has been just a special case. It’s the only semi capable large carnivore that can go for big game rn and mostly thanks to the vomit on larger animals for attrition, infinite gastro heal and the offensive charged bite. You can tune those down and it will be perfectly fine. Server is just full of them because it’s also coincidentally the easiest to grow by design

[gritty heart]

The hard part is knowing the abilities your Dino even has. Which means just google stuff. You learn more that way than just playing

[unkempt merlin]

imo, cause i understand how in legacy me as a solo utah 1v1 a rex was kinda absurd but at the same time with how broken rex hitboix at least there was a huge challenge to land 43 consecutive bites on a FG rex where if you mess up even once you die instantly. Not saying this is the same game loop would fit well in evrima but that sort of, "if i put 800 hrs of DM in, i can probably kill at least half the things i run into

and yes i completely agree with that aswell

[unkempt merlin]

i will say there are alot of hidden mechanics that go unnoticed since its not stated or showed any7where besides third party youtube vids that experiemnt and showcase all scenarios regarding any passives or abilities that specific dino might have. would be cool if everything was stated open in like a dino move list page or something of that nature

[gritty heart]

Iirc nowhere does it tell you (in game) how dilo venom works. And the dilo itself can’t see too much (you sniff to see if it can be activated and use your charges), so if you do it on accident you may well not notice.

Like, it’s not a hard ability to use, but I doubt many people learned about it just by playing if you get what I mean

[unkempt merlin]

Agreed

[agile flame]

What does everyone think of making migration zones significantly better than pz's to actually encourage group migration?

[bleak kestrel]

Good idea

Cause like patrol zone can feed me and all and also if they even dispair they appear again

I think patrol zones should be permament in each spot and food that you got there will not be much and after eating it needs to regrow

Migration wouldnt be permament but it would have like nearly infinite food

So eathier go from patrol zone to patrol zone or stay at migration

Or maybe just make patrol zones dispair

Like it is cause maybe that me too op also they shouldnt appear in same spots for long time

But would be nice if you could encounter some food like few bushes

[woeful latch]

when?

[thick summit]

the 99% bleed resistance say otherwise

[woeful latch]

350🤓☝️

[woeful latch]

😭😭😭

[gritty heart]

“If it bleeds, we can kill it

[golden horizon]

She didn't say when, they never give out ETA's

[golden horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/darryl-the-office-darryl-philbin-the-office-yay-yay-gif-yay-gif-25696872

[woeful latch]

no, i mean when did she say that

like actual message

[golden horizon]

Prolly a couple of weeks ago, saw it on Saphir's isle news yt channel in the discussion

If you go through her messages im sure you're gonna find it

[woeful latch]

alright, thank you

[golden horizon]

Found it, #isle-discussion message

[pliant elm]

@valid estuary
Cerato is already op with 1.3 tons, imagine with 1.7 xd

[woeful latch]

hmm interesting

[unkempt merlin]

thank god

[golden horizon]

So better play cera now before it gets nerfed xD

[pliant elm]

Carno would also be extremely strong with 2t and an infinite charge

[unkempt merlin]

brain ded gameplay finally gets nerfed

[woeful latch]

why would i play as cera👹👹👹

[golden horizon]

Good question, i take that back

[woeful latch]

xdddd

[valid estuary]

i know just give everything a weight increase to get ready for everything else coming soon i hate cerato with everything i love i just think it’s better to bc allo will absolutely demolish cera no competition same with bary

[golden horizon]

only if you wanted to experience the same thing other ceras has experienced so far, before it gets nerfed to the ground

[pliant elm]

If Cerato stays as it is, full of buffs, Allo won't be a problem for Cerato

[golden horizon]

And then i can look back at cera and reminiscens of how strong it was

[valid estuary]

they should atleast increase carno and tenos weight

[pliant elm]

mainly because the cerato's bleed resistance seems to have been increased in this hordtest, where even when hit by a trike its bleed never drops below 90%

[pliant elm]

why?

[golden horizon]

Then they would also have to increase omni and dilo weight, since carno changes directly affects all small tier dinos

[valid estuary]

carno realistically and in legacy was above 2 tons

a flat 2 or 1.9 kg seems right

[golden horizon]

Isle doesnt go after realism

[valid estuary]

and just nerf the charge to not let it be spammable

then utah stands a chance

[pliant elm]

or just leave it as is xd

[golden horizon]

legacy and evrima balancing should be completely seperated, since utah was 1000 kg, dilo was 1200 kg and carno was 2170 kg, but everything in evrima is downsized for balancing purposes

and pachy basic attack was 350, now its just 30💀

But tbf evrima has alot more mechanics and each playable has more abilites in their toolbox

[summer forge]

I've never had my stamina fill up when I'm on a tree though

[woeful latch]

the weight in legacy wasn’t just HP, it was used in damage calculations as well, it was really complicated

[icy lion]

You have to have 20% stam or more

[hushed flint]

This is what I wanna see people,keep the ticks coming

[woven surge]

@lunar geyser i also want croc new ability but 2 times requesting it in a single day is very brave

Im up for it to like it every single day twice but as i said its brave

[summer forge]

ahh okay

[icy lion]

@lunar geyser What do you mean?

[bleak kestrel]

Ngl imagine if they added mosa

Like i imagine it being able to jump from the water and drag something as big as a t-rex to water

[lunar geyser]

Wait I did?

[woven surge]

just he posted 2x a day for the last 2 days "deinos missing mechanic PLEASE" in p3 request nothing out of the ordinary

[icy lion]

I know, I'm trying to figure out what that even means

[woven surge]

deino kit rework update

something on it i bet

[lunar geyser]

Yeah

Don also said deino is missing a mechanic

[woven surge]

i want it too my friend... i want it too... but 1x a day posting it in p3 is enough i think :)) just my thoughts

[lunar geyser]

I wanted to know more about it as a deino main

[lunar geyser]

I didn’t 3 times?

Yesterday at 12 and today at 10?

[icy lion]

@azure ruin NV is bugged in hordetesting right now

[woven surge]

no 1 was deleted it was 4x in 48hr

[bleak kestrel]

What deino mechanic

What it does?

[lunar geyser]

Dawg your trippin

[woven surge]

we dont know yet he will get stuff

[bleak kestrel]

Maybe its shown in concept art

[lunar geyser]

We kinda do

[azure ruin]

Oh THANK GOODNESS

[woven surge]

your newest one was deleted the one at 10:16

[lunar geyser]

I didn’t delete anything?

[bleak kestrel]

I think it could be mechanic that deino is able to jump out a water kinda like idk

[woven surge]

by admins probably

[bleak kestrel]

I had that shown on concept art...

[lunar geyser]

And why do u even care?

[woven surge]

or clash with apexes and not just drown them....

[woven surge]

bruh

[bleak kestrel]

Only thing i could think of is deino having something with bubbles that would shown where it is or something or deino being able to just swim up and do leap higher up maybe it could help with bugged drink spots? Or it would its own weight to drag something to the depths like even a t-rex

[woven surge]

the bubbles are implemented already

[bleak kestrel]

Oh

[lunar geyser]

I doubt. Im not over doing it

[woven surge]

yes my bet is on a clash kinda ability with other big creatures

[woven surge]

then by who? if you didnt delete it who else can?

[lunar geyser]

Well maybe I didn’t send it 4 times?

[lunar geyser]

Same ngl

[woven surge]

yes of course you didnt and i hallucinate

[lunar geyser]

Yes

[thick summit]

You're very loyal to deinosuchus

[lunar geyser]

Yes, yes I am

[jagged fulcrum]

Does anybody know where I can go to get some help resolving an error that's preventing me from being able to play evirma?

[woven surge]

yes the a clash kinda ability would be really nice, like croc pulling something big and if its on land croc takes more stam away but if in water deino and other crature takes equal stam ooooor weight is compared so the pulling the opposition takes more stam if the opponent is bigger

[woven surge]

evrima troubleshooting channel

[jagged fulcrum]

Thanks

[woven surge]

@jagged fulcrum check the pins first

[jagged fulcrum]

ok

[bleak kestrel]

Guys what if the biggest dome was like a huge expriment chamber

That could have mutiple events in it.

Make water level basicaly reach to the celling or just small ponds.

Trap Dino inside

Unleash like huge amount of creatures or something on the players inside

Basicaly they will be doing experminents

[icy lion]

@opaque inlet It's bugged

[icy lion]

Sounds like you'd enjou #isle-lore-theories

[bleak kestrel]

Its sort of a thing i think should be a like a feature

Like it would make sense quite a lot actually to have something like that

[opaque inlet]

Wow, I had no idea that was what was happening! I thought it was intentional.

[icy lion]

@torn void #isle-discussion message

[tardy talon]

thats cool but imagine relogging in the dome and your 100 feet underwater

[bleak kestrel]

I think if you log in dome maybe you should be in a cage or something when you log back in that you would need to get out of

[low lion]

The steam fix, tutorial, and evirma branch should way more easy for people to get into playing. Shouldn't have to be someones second job to explain how to get started. Devs should update that before trying to make a trike.

[gritty heart]

What if the dome had literally anything interesting (I’m kidding but if the devs ever make maps around temp/major events it could be a cool way to test it)

[limber hull]

i mean, even if it WAS an experiment chamber, it wouldn't be a particularly active one

on account on the abandoned island and all

lack of any and all science personnel for years

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message nerf what about it though

im not opposed to nerfs but id like to make sure we're on the same page and not nerfing its health or something like that

[limber hull]

the cera

[wooden agate]

take cerato and make it omni sized

the perfect nerf 🔥

[limber hull]

i love feedback you can tell which people look at current balance state and acknowledge cerato's dominance and want to suggest ways to address that power while remaining true to the animal's identity, and the dudes who just got nuked by a cerato and immediately typed something in feedback because they're mad

[torn void]

Ye mate, it's not a damn discussion, feedback: the game is unplayable with the admount of cheaters.

[icy lion]

I know, I linked that because the devs are always working on improving the anticheat and other detection methods

You asked when it will be addressed; I told you it is actively being addressed

[torn void]

No you didn't, but now ik you meant that, cheers 👌

[ancient kestrel]

It is already a thing on HT

[agile flame]

The MZ's I've visited have been no different.

Or at least it hasn't seemed any more "foody" than usual, and is pretty sparse in my opinion.

I could be crazy though.

[ancient kestrel]

I am really sad that weight in the damage calculations is gone. It had such depth to damage values by being harder to predict than flat damage value to everything

[ancient kestrel]

It is a bug probably

[past crystal]

@regal siren https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1351370870748217445
I've got a friend on a 1060 that runs the game at least at 30fps, do they maybe have any tasks running in the background?

[ancient kestrel]

Yet people discovered that MZs on HT buffed and PZs - nerfed

[agile flame]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Only issues I've had with my PZs is that they're bugging out

[ancient kestrel]

You just don't notice it because trikes eat everthing

[past crystal]

pzs seem to bug out a lot, but im still able to get diet from the plants even if they show a leaf, which is weird

[agile flame]

That is entirely possible

[past crystal]

that could be great for solo players versus people playing in a pack - pack players will have to go to MZ but solo players can stick in a relatively safe PZ

[agile flame]

MZs should be able to sustain multiple herds though

Like

2 normal sized herds

One small group of trikes wipes it clean

[ancient kestrel]

Aren't MZs placed different for different species?

[agile flame]

Some species share the same areas

[ancient kestrel]

By the way I always wondered what logic is behind PZs and MZs showing up for carnivores. Does it depend on species in their diets who triggered spawn of those zones?

[regal siren]

I’d have to run through things with him to see. Our other friend has a 6700 XT and he’s getting around 30 as well. We’re trying to troubleshoot, but the game undoubtedly needs some optimization. The light transitions on the day/night cycle have been crazy.

[past crystal]

oh, true. i'll get an average of 120fps but sometimes the day/night changes drop my fps all the way to 20..

[regal siren]

Yeah, I have a 7900 XTX and I hear my whole machine start to cook on sunset

[past crystal]

yikes

[regal siren]

It does seem really abnormal though for the 2080 to be doing so poorly

[past crystal]

it's vaguely understandable given that graphics are improving, though i agree it should at least at the very minimum give 30fps

[primal venture]

i have a 1080 fe and i run 50+ frames consistently

[gritty heart]

Yes. It’s usually useless, since you can’t tell if someone is actually there. Instead it just means it spawned for one of your diets at all.

[hidden mist]

Same, it’s been like that since the start of Gateway for me. Some patches are better and I see these drops less frequently, some patches are pure horror for my GPU and CPU. Current Horde Test is one of these patches xd From the tests I did a long ago, it’s somehow related to weather. E.g. in light rain/foggy weather at sunsets, you get these drops, near water bodies especially. During other weather it’s not that obtrusive.

[woeful latch]

i’m not tbh, i used to hate it

[ancient kestrel]

Well I kinda enjoyed this system cause damage was less predictable. But hey - at least now we have locational damage in Evrima

[urban flax]

There are better ways to make damage unpredictable tbh

[ancient kestrel]

I know. Like making slight ranmdomnes in numbers. Like +/- 5% damage to any attack being randomly rolled

[urban flax]

For example
Or tying damage to remaining stamina
Or adding special damage modifiers for certain attacks
These are examples

[ancient kestrel]

Well we kinda have damage modifiers for troo venom stages bwt

[ancient kestrel]

(#general-feedback message) @regal siren
Man, even I can get up to 25-30 FPS with my 1050 TI. Idk what your friend doing that he can't squeeze even 10 fps with his 2080

He probably didn't set his GPU to max performance for this game

Also try to look this guide if it will help

https://youtu.be/fk7mTsgYSI8

Note that still on places like SP FPS will be low anyway

[wooden agate]

he could also have the worlds worst CPU

[ancient kestrel]

2080 is much better than my 1050

[wooden agate]

thats gpu

[ancient kestrel]

There is no world whre 1050 can be better

[wooden agate]

the isle can be very heavy on cpus, if his is bad enough i wouldnt be shocked

[ancient kestrel]

Oh. I see now. Well I have i5 8th gen which 16 GB RAM

[wooden agate]

my boyfs cpu was like 90% anytime i played evrima but even then i still got 80+ frames

[ancient kestrel]

Well in my case I clearly lack more of GPU than CPU. 16 GB CPU is seemingly decent for this game

One thing which I noticed on places like SP dinosaurs become blurry and start to miss frames in animations

[wooden agate]

yeh the isle does that when too many players are in an area

its supposed to improve preformance when people are clustered

[ancient kestrel]

Is that works like that for everyone or depends on hardware each one have?

[wooden agate]

your hardware would still have a big effect but if you have decent hardware it should help somewhat

[mystic aurora]

reset vid settings its a bug

i went from 50 fps to 200+

i was like i buy dam 4k+ pc andi get 50fps wtf

[ancient kestrel]

4K isn't really resolution for gaming

Just stupid marketing. 2K or even Full HD are enough

Not to speak that 4K is utterly uselles unless you have really big display

[ancient kestrel]

For me it's not a bug. I really have mediocre hardware

I lready did everything to sqeeze as much as I can with most possible optimization steps I did to play this game with semi-decent 25-30 FPS

I have barely 20 FPS on HT tho but that branch just have optimization issues currently

I really wish devs add setting to lower polygon count on models so it will be more playble for people with lower-end systems. Because dinosaur models are eats the most frame rate out of everything

[covert tiger]

@regal siren while optimization is always a good thing, come on now, this has nothing to do with optimization.
Your friends 2080 is broken. That thing should be giving 60-80+ fps consistently.
The game is in a pretty well optimized state right now (evrima)

[ancient kestrel]

~~TBF It's not enough. I want 60 FPS with my 1050 ~~

[sterile geyser]

I can get 60+ fps on GTX 1060 lol

[ancient kestrel]

First it's 1060. Second mine is laptop version

[indigo gulch]

@scenic atlas #isle-discussion message I dont think it’s happening

[maiden anvil]

@scenic atlas mind if I tell you that a suicide option is a terrible idea and won’t work. The only thing that would work is to delete character from server menu

[scenic atlas]

makes sense they got enough anyways on they plate just trying to make the game run decently

[scenic atlas]

Thats exactly what im after lol

People clearly dont want it tho

[frank tapir]

#general-feedback message Only thing I'd add would be something in the egg selection menu to say if you were choosing an egg from a parthenogenetic parent

[indigo gulch]

Should specify that it is a lobby kill button and not ingame

[limber nacelle]

Is it normal that in HT I have around 40 fps on lowest possible settings with a 4060 ti? It feels pretty off o.O since I also need to change settings every time otherwise I have only 20 fps.

[mystic aurora]

4k euro not resolution lol

[urban flax]

Wait
What PC costs 4000€
Sounds like a scam

[ancient kestrel]

Well I assumed that it was a resolution

[mystic aurora]

not normal lol

i have 4080 super with good hardware get 250 fps sometimes

i nerf my fps to 120 couse its overkill

[urban flax]

This is The Isle, the worse your setup is, the better performances you get

[ancient kestrel]

https://youtu.be/fk7mTsgYSI8

[urban flax]

I'm only exaggerating slightly here
The performance you'll have when you run this game are completely random

[mystic aurora]

HT = worse fps i must say couse of the stupid grass

[ancient kestrel]

Well I guess thats not only grass. And devs said that they are working on optimization for HT

[mystic aurora]

my fix was reset vid setting in game i went from 60 to 200 ish its a bug from the game, als reininstall the game if u get rubberbanding

[ancient kestrel]

Rubberbending related to the server not to your hardware

[mystic aurora]

i was the game bug not the server

couse i asked 20+ people

reininstalled my game and rubberband was gone

[limber nacelle]

Thanks, I'll test it out :3

[tacit ivy]

@rugged timber #general-feedback message you cant put everything you want at once, i agree with something and disagree with something else in the same post. I personally cant vote if its like that

[rugged timber]

tell me on what u agree and what not

and this is about deinosuchus in general cuz im not gonna wait 12 hours to write my opinions so i put it in one message

[woeful latch]

alright, i played troodon and i didnt mind the speed nerf lmao, its 13km/h only when it spawns, you reach 20 in no time, if you're lucky to find something to eat you will be fast really soon

[rugged timber]

yeah troodon aint that bad tbh

[woeful latch]

i think its a good trade for 2x stamina efficiency it got

my only real issue is that you cant really find anything to hunt, but they will add small ai soon and that will fix the issue

[rugged timber]

there isnt really that much ai

[tacit ivy]

I really agree with 1. The NV should be much better,

2. Is really good idea, makes sense to me, maybe little nerfed - like when youre moving and it rains you get water drain much slower/ and when youre just resting and its raining, your water doesnt drain at all

3. Is just nonsense to me, big 8Ton croc shouldnt be able to survive on fish. Instead of that - stomach drains much slower, so it doesnt have to kill everything it sees, like a lot of people mentioned

[woeful latch]

yeah they disabled most spawns on HT for some reason

probably bugged, idk

[rugged timber]

hmm ok yeah it shouldnt completly survive on it but atleast make it so i dont have to relie on elite fish after i hit 20% growth because the ammount of elite fish u find is a joke

[bleak kestrel]

Ngl wonder if we ever get thermal vision

Would be cool if some animals would have diffrent types of night vision and etc

@rugged timber i have diffrent idea for deino NV underwater

[rugged timber]

im listening

[bleak kestrel]

I think he should have a sense where if something moves he can see it and if something doesnt he dont

Basicaly crocs can feel water movement

With thier senses and all.

So i think the more something moves the easier it is to spot it underwater for you

[rugged timber]

i thought about something like that too but it would be just easier too make the nightvision better but im open for that aswell

[bleak kestrel]

Also you can see deino has that green thingy around him where it can see its terrain and etc

[icy lion]

That's in the game, though it only detects movement and drinking at the surface

[bleak kestrel]

So expanding that green thingy and make the green thingy show you where you can feel water movement would be cool

So deinos night vision doesnt require brightness but that sheath around models and etc like it does currently but for larger distance

I think it would look cool and make a lot of sense instead of just having casual nighvision underwater

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message On what settings is he running his game?

[pliant elm]

@sterile geyser But Maia posture change is instantaneous, unless this was changed in the hordtest.

[light flower]

Would be nice if they create a system to avoid mixpack between hebis and carnis, and between carnis themselves

[hidden pilot]

#general-feedback message There is nothing supernatural in this game.

[thick ibex]

i thought that migration zones were meant to give more food than patrol zones?

[oblique fable]

#general-feedback message @jovial moss I 100% agree, honestly I'm BEGGING for NV to be fixed, its so frustrating 😭

[jovial moss]

I don't care if I have bad night vision in the sense that I can't see much, but I want to at least see the immediate space around me

[oblique fable]

NV rn is designed to cripple the player and stop them from moving within a dark and blind area- but the problem is that majority players don't do that, and even with that concept alone, animals lack of NV is excessive, the player barely able to even see themselves, which was one of the main points for the Camera changes that people despised!

[oblique fable]

I agree!!! I'd rather have the entire area surrounding me be pitch black with no direction with at LEAST a baring of what I am and a foot or two area of my person

[rain oracle]

acclerated prey drive only works on animals ( AI ), mutation says animals and doesnt say other dinos
?

[icy lion]

Dinos are animals, it works on everything

[rain oracle]

k thanks

[fair jetty]

#general-feedback message @bleak kestrel they are already in the game in the barebones way you've described, official servers and most community server just have them turned off, if you want to play as one or encounter them while playing just find a server that still has them enabled

[bleak kestrel]

Why servers dont have em enabled?

Are they op or what

[fair jetty]

They have a very basic version of guns right now with infinte ammo and it's very op, also some people just don't like having humans on their server. Naturally they won't be on officials until they're more finished though

[rough scroll]

#general-feedback message I wonder how a lucid person could prefer the night vision of the legacy instead of the one we have in the current evrima,

[hidden mist]

It is when there’s no externals. Also iirc Maia’s stance switch bug is still here, even on Horde, and another similar bug appeared there (now on Horde Maia can’t switch stances neither while being bitten, nor while making sounds itself, on Live it’s only the first one). I don’t know why they touch every single thing about Maia but not these, even though they’re the ones that need attention the most.

So if you’re a smol Maia calling with 4 call for help from your pack when something is pursuing you (and constantly biting), well, you’re dead due to these lol.

[naive thicket]

How do you reply to general feedback posts on this channel?

[naive thicket]

Like this

[pliant elm]

Hold down the message and click on "copy message link"

[pliant elm]

#general-feedback-discussion message

[naive thicket]

I just get a https url copied

[pliant elm]

But that's it, post this

[naive thicket]

So you paste the whole url?

[pliant elm]

Yes

[naive thicket]

#general-feedback message

They have confirmed they are gonna work on this in a devblog

[proven fossil]

@livid ember the trike posture is good, it has the same posture as dibble

[woeful latch]

@opaque inlet sorry for the ping, how’s new night vision? did they fix the issue when it was changing the brightness level depending on what direction you were looking at?

haven’t played HT yet because of the performance issues🫥 hope nv is better now

[livid ember]

Its not good
Spine is broken

[woeful latch]

i bet it’s somehow related to vs rex spar

which means this is how it’s intended

we got few patches without them fixing that

[livid ember]

Whats the problem in not making trike's spine broken and still adding rex spar?

[woeful latch]

rex is taller and they make it so trikes head looks like this for them to collide, idk how to explain that lol

i’m just guessing btw, since we didn’t get the fix

[opaque inlet]

Not the 'depending on where you look' but it went back to pre-hordetest night vision

[livid ember]

It was fixed before trike went live
Then they broke its spine again for whatever reason

[woeful latch]

and if they release spar mechanic without fixing its posture, well we probably won’t get a fix ever lol

[woeful latch]

oh good

[livid ember]

Idk its just weird
Might be fixed with spar

[woeful latch]

maybe

[proven fossil]

the character menu model is wrong, the sub adult model is missing from it too

[woeful latch]

but it does look very ugly indeed

[livid ember]

Trike had its normal posture in evrima first trailer
@proven fossil ik about menu thats why i also showed the actual model ingame

This

Like here everything is perfectly fine
Ingame trike is edgy, broken spine, broken front legs etc
Basically made it worse

[proven fossil]

the model looks good in game for me i don't find any pressing issues with its posture. although, i do agree that an elephantine type run would fit best.

[livid ember]

Its edgy.

[proven fossil]

it'll grow on you

[livid ember]

Also damn the lower jaw
Dude became soyjack after being gigachad after years of mewing in trailer

Worst playable visaually rn but its wip and i hope for at least some tweaks

https://youtu.be/f4iXbvkUlwM?si=Vnhu0B-nPqu7VTQw even here trike posture is fine lol, look how alive it feels during trot

[lofty sundial]

turning V-sync off kills your game apparently

[woeful latch]

no, that happens when you change other graphic settings that need game restart

[lofty sundial]

I only touched V-sync lol

[woeful latch]

that happened to me too, just restart the game

[acoustic spruce]

@benevolentbovine98 we’ll duhhhh you’re inside a building with no access to moonlight so it’s obvious you won’t be able to see anyt. The night vision is dictated by the boom, so, no moon=reduced night vision. Unless you’re a nocturnal dinosaur like dilo or troo then you can see anywhere.

[agile flame]

NV is way better, nice.

[indigo gulch]

@willow latch Namecalling cheaters is only against the rules because not everyone knows the difference between some hacks and the people get labeled incorrectly. Canni’s and mixpackers suck, but they aren’t breaking the rules, so to treat them the same as cheaters goes a bit far

[wooden agate]

can confirm, ive had someone report me for cheating once and i had to go "nono, i have a speed mutation lol. it makes cera faster than pachy"

[limber hull]

a great reason why speed muts are bad btw lol

literal cheater masks

[gritty heart]

People who go Willy nilly reporting a cera able to just outpace them probably weren’t researching the base speed stats tbh

[icy lion]

I've seen people report carnos for charging (before speed mutations even existed) and herreras for climbing on concrete

[limber hull]

also people can just... lie about cheaters

like, namecall someone you don't like and call 'em a cheater so people will kill on sight

like there's tons of reasons why calling out names is a mega bad idea

[icy lion]

Also has happened quite often

[wooden agate]

does islecord surprise you anymore?

[icy lion]

Hmmmm

It's rare these days

[urban flax]

There's a light source in the picture... A big one, even

[thick summit]

A deinosuchus grabbed me. They must've been cheating

There's no way deinosuchus can grab

[limpid tree]

Would be nice if they actually had some server rules. Because there are so many damned kill on sight griefers out there. Like if you got 3 bodies next to you, you shouldn't be going out of your way to kill someone who came to drink on the other side of a pond. Or all the raptors and Carnos mix packing with crocs.

[frank tapir]

they have rules, cheating is not allowed

[limber hull]

absolutely not. that would be far worse imho

who exactly is going to uphold these rules? the admins, of which there ae a handful, split amongst over a dozen servers, 24/7?

[wooden agate]

also, officials is meant to be pretty much lawless. if you want rules, unofficials are the way to go

the only real rules in officials is no harassment/slurs in chat/exploiting/hacking

[urban flax]

@bleak kestrel I agree with everything except the 75% chance to survive a hit when above 25% hp
That sounds cringe as hell

Also it's RNG, which makes it even worse

[bleak kestrel]

Okey maybe thats to much

But i think some damage reduction in some way due to feathers would be nice

[urban flax]

No dino has it yet, idk why velo should have it
Being 40kg is sufficient for its supposed niche

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message the animal that can stay in the air for 15+ minutes and never technically has to touch the ground does infact take a little to regenerate its stamina, yeah

[bleak kestrel]

4 miniutes it quite a lot dont you think

[bleak kestrel]

Ngl i think the problem is it could be bit too smillar to troodon and omni

Like it got the pounce and idk how to make it diffrent.

Maybe like target able pounce?

Where you crouch and can do a leap like herrera from the ground but instead of doing huge damage you will pounce

[wooden agate]

not when you can do it in a tree safe from 99% of the roster and you (should) rarely have to do it

[urban flax]

Burrowing, actually good swimming capabilities

[urban flax]

Not a bad idea

[bleak kestrel]

Its not really rarely you know.

When you try to fish its very punishing if you miss.

And one mistake and youre done for

and ptero is bascilay made of paper.

Needing to rest every time you try to catch a single fish is ANNOYING

And not like making it have better stam or regen of it would make it overpowered

Like really like i said before most of stuff one shots you and even landing on a tree could be a problem on herrera and youre done for.

[wooden agate]

you literally dont

go cling to a tree

you can swallow food and take off for free

you will also regen while clinging to the tree

dont want to miss? skim properly and just go over the fish a few times lol

it is the most autoaim ez mechanic in game

[urban flax]

I wish fishing required precise timing to make it a bit more interesting

[normal shuttle]

@limpid tree and when are you gonna do something about it yourself?

[indigo gulch]

Who what where?

[normal shuttle]

Guy complaining about officials having no rules because herbis are not neutered, pacific grass eaters

And carno packs actually get rid of competition

[normal shuttle]

Either learn how to deal with things or go play an unofficial if it really is that big of a deal for you bro

[indigo gulch]

Bro I saw that “carno is weak” feedback.

[indigo gulch]

Weak, my charged behind.

[sterile geyser]

Check this out

[indigo gulch]

The only thing I consistently die to is getting hitbox charged

[normal shuttle]

Bad take

Terrible actually

Having the same stam regen as galli for a creature that wastes no stamina gliding at +50kph, can sprint at 110, and can remain in the air for long enough to cross the map from one side to the other is perfectly reasonable

It’s just the players’ fault for playing a pterosaur like a bird and not using altitude or good takeoff spots

Plus ptera is getting reworked AND also getting slipstreams to gain altitude with no stam cost

[bleak kestrel]

You know its still very punishing for new players

I mean i dont really have issue with how far it can go

At this point is good.

But would ngl be kinda nice if it glides it could very slowly regen stam

[limber hull]

sounds kinda broken lol

and next update, we're getting ways to ascend and increase your speed without spending stam using wind currents and updrafts

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah i thought to but if only as when you got 75% i think it would be pretty balanced

[limber hull]

eh

[bleak kestrel]

@acoustic spruce these are coming btw

[limber hull]

we have updrafts for stam efficiency

[acoustic spruce]

Sweet

I was gonna say “paleo accurate taco skin”

[bleak kestrel]

Why?

[frank tapir]

is that not what it looks like?

in game

[acoustic spruce]

Just cause we know what it looked like so why not translate those colors to the game

[acoustic spruce]

I’m not sure tbh

[bleak kestrel]

The isle doesnt follow realism

[acoustic spruce]

At least the skin colors that’s all I ask

Aside from my other 600 requests

[frank tapir]

that's mostly about balancing and how creatures play, saying it about an ai's skin is a little silly

[bleak kestrel]

Still taco is very accurate in the isle and we dont need orange taco really

I think orange taco would look odd

Kinda dispointed we getting velo ai

I want it as playable

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message pro gamer what have you done

[normal shuttle]

@tawny current maybe try not to start with a damn 7 hour apex when you just started the game?

wHy CaNt I pLaY oN mAxIMuM dIfFiCuLtY aNd HaVe A nOoB fRiEnDlY eXpErIeNcE

[desert arch]

Feel like somebody should tell the poor guy he isnt even on the correct version of the game

[normal lotus]

Btw opinion upon the megalania kit?

[faint folio]

@tawny current hi and welcome to the isle! Since you mentioned giga, it sounds like you're playing on an older version of the game (called "legacy"), which honestly is quite janky at times. You should try switching to the "evrima" beta branch, which is the most current version of the game. I think you might have an easier time... Also I'd recommend playing something like dilo or cerato which are smaller (and faster to grow) as well as generally more survivable than most of the dinos you mentioned

[faint folio]

Done

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/cheers-toast-salute-here's-to-you-heres-to-you-gif-3182433711752800466

[indigo gulch]

Im more surprised you could tell what they are saying......I can barely tell the point they're trying to make

[limber hull]

why are you bullying this dude he just got the damn game give him some help lmao

how tf he supposed to know what's the "easy" dinos if he just got the game LMAO

[faint folio]

I think they used a translator tbh. If it's true that they started playing 3 days ago (and it seems like it is, because rex and giga are only on legacy), no wonder they're frustrated. Legacy combat is very janky

[normal shuttle]

Is it really something not logical that larger creatures are gonna be harder to grow? Otherwise why would anyone use the smaller ones?

And honestly complaining about the game and saying it caters to “pro players” rather than seeking help is

[limber hull]

some people literally are not used to such things as the animal survival game genre

[faint folio]

I mean... No, not really unless you've played similar creature survival games before? Irl there are smaller animals that take just as long or longer to grow than big ones. I kind of read it as venting and frustration, and they aren't wrong that you need to spend a LOT of time playing legacy to get used to turn fights and the weird hitboxes

They're also not wrong that the isle can be unforgiving to new players with no tutorial whatsoever unless you happen to find a friendly player who will show you the ropes

When I first started playing I had no idea ptera could latch on surfaces until I saw someone else do it because it's not explained anywhere

[normal shuttle]

Fair enough

Although man

Bro could’ve probably put it in a better way especially with that kinda sarcastic phrase at the end

But whatever

[faint folio]

For sure

But, I've phrased things poorly when I'm incredibly frustrated before

[normal shuttle]

Also starting with carnivores. My herbivore/omnivore fan brain can’t help but to grin like Dondi

[normal shuttle]

Yeah fair

[faint folio]

Yeah... I died a lot on Omni when I first started playing 😅

But again, if you haven't played the genre before... It may not be obvious

[normal shuttle]

I remember when I first started in progression

I died as velo once, realized it was pointless and I swapped to taco and on my second day I hit theri

[faint folio]

I'm glad progression is gone, though

[bleak kestrel]

Basicaly make players want to play bigger stuff more

[faint folio]

Maybe, but I want to want to play small dinos because they're fun, not because I have to play them to unlock what I actually want to play. Plus, it was weird that you could just choose to not grow - some dinos were better at sub than adult and that affected the meta

[bleak kestrel]

Yeah i dont like playing dinos that take long to grow

I would really want velo to not be ai in evrima

[urban flax]

Velo has the highest potential out of all the small tiers to be a unique and fun playable
Making it AI only would be a huge waste

[woeful latch]

yeah i agree, some people here are so angry, especially towards new players..

that’s insane how much hate speech happens in this channel

[limber hull]

despite my reputation, i refuse to be exceptionally negative to people. its shocking how much i get insulted despite never going out of my way to insult anyone, because no one is a moron for having a different opinion

[urban flax]

Says the stego main

[faint folio]

Speaking about the velo suggestion... Honestly I think it's overpowered. It has the best (or better) aspects of Omni, troodom, and Herrera, plus flight (gliding) and damage resist (feathers) to boot

[urban flax]

Damage resist is too much, the rest is fine
But tbh it doesn't need to be 40kg, I think 30kg would be enough

[limber hull]

dude you would not BELIEVE what people have said about me in this discord

thankfully my mates call me 3x worse things so i dont really care but goddamn lmao why they so angry

[bleak kestrel]

Reson why its like this is cause it would be lighter than than troodon

[woeful latch]

😭

i got called a really bad word few days ago here

[bleak kestrel]

Guys remeber this is discord

[urban flax]

I see quite many things
I may not always partake in conversations, but I'm often lurking
Also I usually read messages I missed from previous conversations overnight

[woeful latch]

idk how it wasn’t auto modded lol

[bleak kestrel]

Ppl on discord are sometimes bit.. odd

[urban flax]

That's the power of the internet

[bleak kestrel]

Ngl im really said they made taco and velo ai 😦

[limber hull]

someone once implied my relation with non-humans

i still dont know WHO this guy is because he just started this conversation out swinging lmao. THEN HE GOT AN ALT TO DO THE SAME THING

I'm pretty sure this was on the day of my graduation too LMAO

[urban flax]

I'm sure more than half the people I've been insulted by on here or who were blatantly toxic in all their interactions aren't half as bad irl
I also happen to say things here I would have never said in a face-to-face conversation
Anonymity drives a man insane

[urban flax]

They haven't made velo AI ?

[bleak kestrel]

But they will 😦

[urban flax]

Is it confirmed ?

[bleak kestrel]

Not sure but it will probably be a thing

[gritty heart]

That’s why I break into peoples homes when a discord argument starts, to keep it real

[urban flax]

Then we need to make more playable velo suggestions
It worked before with dinos as a whole, it worked with herbivores, it worked with stego
No reason it won't work with velo

[urban flax]

Excellent mindset

[urban flax]

I'm on my way to make one

[bleak kestrel]

But ngl velo will need to be a climber

And i think jumping from tree to tree should be way easier for velo

Also for sure it should jump very high

[normal shuttle]

I will do my part

[bleak kestrel]

Ngl i think nice idea is for velo to use his sickle claw as alt attack

Making it float on water maybe isnt so bad of any idea

But also feels like to much

[normal shuttle]

so smaller austro?

[gritty heart]

Velo is turkey sized so should be thanksgiving exclusive

[indigo gulch]

I meaaaaaaaaaan regarding the game? Sure. Irl tho? I could name a few x)

[urban flax]

Done gyaaah

[limber hull]

oh irl im a bastard but thats cause its fun

[normal shuttle]

Gotta think of something that allows for the existence of a naked velo

[urban flax]

Who the hell wants a naked velo
We already have dumb naked omni and dumb naked troodon

[gritty heart]

Prude

[woeful latch]

naked velo🤢🤮

[urban flax]

pervert

[normal shuttle]

I agree

But…what if…

We could somehow make both variants coexist.

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

Or just retcon naked velo lol

[woeful latch]

they said they will add feathered versions of skins in the future, so we can have both

or maybe i’m crazy and they didn’t say that

[indigo gulch]

probably that

[woeful latch]

wait i need to check the dev blog, but im pretty sure they did

[woeful latch]

😭🤘

[faint folio]

Honestly I think velo will need to be a climber too. Idk about faster than Herrera though - for jumping, what if we actually gave it a half decent glide? Like, herra has okay jump range but jumps more downward. What if velo can glide and not lose much height traveling from tree to tree?

[woeful latch]

maybe that was part of my dream that i thought was something that actually happened…

maybe feathered omni is the friends we made along the way

[urban flax]

Best solution

@woeful latch
Wait you downvoted it
You heretic

[gritty heart]

Having it glide could also mean it doesn’t share herras niche of being a dive bomber, since the glide wouldn’t be fast enough to destroy things

[woeful latch]

#isle-discussion message IM NOT CRAZY NEVER DOUBT ME AAHAHAH !!!!!

[icy lion]

i don't like the creation of burrows, diving, or omnivory

[woeful latch]

i didn’t like some of the ideas

[icy lion]

The rest is sick tho

[woeful latch]

this and also velo scavenger

[urban flax]

I don't get it
Why is everyone against velo burrowing ?

[icy lion]

I'm fine with scavenging since it's already uber tiny. Not much will exist in its kill range outside of ai

[woeful latch]

oh wait, not the burrowing, that i actually don’t mind honestly, doesn’t really suit velo but i’m okay with that

[icy lion]

For me it's because it's already getting good climbing and gliding (in this idea) and it can still enter and be fine in burrows by virtue of it being small

[woeful latch]

i also wanted it to be 60kg and make it so troodons and velos can’t pin each other, i would love to see some tiny ant wars

[urban flax]

Diving and omnivory are the biggest outliers in my idea, that's true
But I wouldn't mind velo having those

[icy lion]

Eh I'm fine with it being smaller

Give it retaliation like omni and troo have

[woeful latch]

it’s gonna be very boring tho

[faint folio]

Honestly I was kinda hooking the opposite - differentiate from herrera by making the climb speed slower, but give it a fast horizontal or near horizontal glide. The goal being that you just change trees to avoid Herrera. Maybe they could specialize in hunting fliers like ptera? They're small enough to benefit from the corpse size, and they're one of the few playables that wouldn't be in serious trouble if ptera took flight

[woeful latch]

being even smaller than troodon? i mean.. there will be nothing for you to even hunt

[urban flax]

How can something that can do everything in the game be boring

[woeful latch]

troodon has venom at least

[icy lion]

I mean if a climbing gliding burrow invader is a boring idea the size won't help you

[woeful latch]

invade who’s burrow? dryo will one-two shot it

[icy lion]

Homalo, and if nesting can be done in burrows you've additionally got a nest raider packaged in that

[woeful latch]

60 sounds more reasonable, also won’t be troodons food

[icy lion]

Doesn't that still get 2 shot by dryos?

Actually 1 shot with the alts

[woeful latch]

dryo does 20 damage so it’s 3

[urban flax]

I don't like the idea of velo, a playable that is already very similar in appearance to troodon, also be the same weight

[woeful latch]

well i don’t like troodons pinning velos easily

[urban flax]

That would be like making utahraptor 450kg

[urban flax]

Imagine trying to pin something just as fast or faster than you and with higher agility when none of you can even get above the grass

Also, is troodon pin an instakill like omni's ? I thought troodon only bites once when pouncing a target

[woeful latch]

you deal passive damage if you pin something

[urban flax]

Just give velo high retaliation damage when pinned then

[woeful latch]

i also don’t want velo to be fast on land, have you played as juvie troodon before the speed nerf? it will be same experience

something tiny moving really quickly just mehh, it’s uncomfortable

[urban flax]

Velo not fast on land ?
Uh you're sure you're talking about velo right now ?

The "fast thief" not being fast

[woeful latch]

well make it like 60kg so it’s at least comfortable to play as

[urban flax]

Why does being heavier make it more comfortable

[woeful latch]

tiny rat moving with super speed in the grass is nightmare for the eyes

[woeful latch]

small

[urban flax]

It's nightmare no matter the speed

It's a camera and grass rendering issue, not a speed issue

[woeful latch]

it’s not, if you make something slower it’s not that bad

[woeful latch]

it is speed issue lol

it’s exactly the speed

[urban flax]

It's an issue that gets more visible with speed, but speed is not the issue

It's like those people who say "nerf stego because stego is OP with tactile endurance"

While it's true, the offender is not stego, it's tactile endurance

And it being stego makes it just more proeminent

It's the same thing with the grass. Being grass-height hurts the eyes, being fast makes the issue more visible

Otherwise you'd have to make hypsi slower as well

[woeful latch]

well tall grass is not an issue for me, it’s the speed that makes it all messy and uncomfortable

i don’t have that issue with fg troodon, but old juvie troodon with super speed was nightmare

that’s why i don’t want velo to be small, faster and more agile than troodon on land and also being able to climb lol

and fly and dive and burrow and million other things in your feedback

[urban flax]

Ok what do you want then
Make a better suggestion
AI velo is not a valid opinion

[faint folio]

Sure. If it has gliding and climbing, it can be fast in those movements. Especially if it also has a high jump and therefore can glide from the ground

Also, I feel like velo being pinnable by troodon isn't that bad because they'd have climbing. Same way Herrera is pinned by Utah, but it's not a big deal because if the Herrera is in a tree like it's designed, that negates the issue

Make it an arboreal specialist to fill a troodon sized "slot" in the currently very sparse arboreal roster

[urban flax]

More arboreals is always cool

[past crystal]

@urban flax https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1351923011380445305
we're getting austro soon to tide us over for a while

[faint folio]

It would round the arboreal roster up to hypsi, Herrera, ptera (semi), and velo. Add ai and that includes pterodactylus. Potentially quetzal eventually too, though imo they're more of a plains animal due to size

[urban flax]

Austro will not distract me from the truth

Velo is in grave danger of being turned into an AI

[past crystal]

well.. troodon is basically velo

just doesn't have all the crazy extra stuff

swimming, burrowing, climbing AND gliding would make for a pretty op little dino

[faint folio]

We were talking about how to make it different from troodon. Honestly, I'd say no swimming and no burrowing (though because it's small it could obviously use abandoned burrows

Gliding and climbing i think would be enough to get it to a significantly different niche from both troodon and Herrera

[past crystal]

hmmm

[faint folio]

Honestly I don't hate the idea of a meat based omnivore, but I don't think it particularly suits velo either

[urban flax]

It would suite troodon more tbh
But troodon seems well engrained in its night terror niche

[woeful latch]

@balmy gazelle hello, sorry for ping, are you on HT? because it’s 10 minutes on evrima branch

10 minutes to drain your water

[balmy gazelle]

weird, it seems to be 2.5 minutes for me

[woeful latch]

it should be 10 from 100% to 0%

[balmy gazelle]

i monitored my water for 30-ish seconds and lost 20% in that time

[woeful latch]

weird lol

[woeful latch]

did you drink salt water before?

[woven bane]

giving it the ability to climb and glide would be sufficient enough, your suggestion makes it sound like mini herrera

[balmy gazelle]

maybe, but i havent been in saltwater for a while

[woeful latch]

yeah that makes your water drain 5x times faster

the debuff is permanent until you drink enough salt water for it to go away and then you can choose the mutation

[urban flax]

Does it ?

[woeful latch]

well as far as i know

[balmy gazelle]

is it supposed to be?

[woeful latch]

i guess

do you have the debuff?

[balmy gazelle]

i might, cant check rn since servers are restarting

[woeful latch]

it should be on your character screen

[balmy gazelle]

i think it does say fluid defficient

[woeful latch]

it’s the only real reason it should drain your water that fast

[woven bane]

the diving part, just seems really unnecessary

[urban flax]

I see

[gritty heart]

Let beipi consume flesh . . . I yearn for the bones of baby alligators

[raven glen]

@gritty heart

Idk what I even said wrong here lol

[indigo gulch]

Sh*t

[raven glen]

@indigo gulch ah ok that makes sense

Ig?

[bronze niche]

@icy lion tell me why you disagree i would like to hear the other side

[icy lion]

I don't think deino should instantly die if a spino sees it or whatever but there's absolutely no reason for it to remotely be a close fight imo. Deino is specifically designed to 1shot animals smaller than it, it's not a brawler at all and is not designed or intended to tussle with things that objectively outclass it

[bronze niche]

isnt deino gonna get upscaled? we have no idea what the future weight would be for all we know it could be spino level weight when it gets upscaled

[icy lion]

No

[bronze niche]

i couldve swore one of the developers said that or agreed with one of the members saying that deino should get upscaled so it can snatch prey easier

[woeful latch]

i think deino should really know its place🫥

[bleak kestrel]

Honestly instead of getting upscaled it should be able to grow very large as elder

Like im even saying 15 tons

But all depends on how elder works

[icy lion]

Kissen talked about the intended direction of deino v apexes a little while back #isle-discussion message

[bleak kestrel]

Because if it works like you need perfect diet for sometime to reach maxium potential of any elder then i could see deino being 15 tons at max possible elder

We all know getting max nutrition as a croc would be a bit difficult of a task

[bronze niche]

deino probably wont even be worth playing then after spino gets added thats crazy

[bleak kestrel]

I mean you could make spino be weak to bone break or some

[bronze niche]

its horrible at getting from lake to lake and its supposed to "leave" when a spino enters its territory and lets be fr here theres probably gonna be at least like 3 fg spinos all across the lakes at once if not more

[bleak kestrel]

I mean simplest solution is make deino vs spino 50/50

[bronze niche]

people dont agree with that sadly

[proud coral]

Matchups don't really work that way.
Can't just slap a number on it, waaaay too many factors come into play.

[bronze niche]

that also means that people are either just not gonna play as deino or only play duo to have hopes of killing a spino

[icy lion]

It's not meant to be one

[bronze niche]

aint no one wants to leave and go to a different lake just because someone entered your territory

[hidden mist]

Deino still will be able to one shot Spinos below 6 tons in the water, and if Apexes’ growth is finally made to be harder than it is now for Trike, I think that’s a fair trade. You won’t see many adult Spinos this way.

[bleak kestrel]

If you guys add more rivers and all before adding spino then okey

[bronze niche]

i agree

there needs to be more waterways connecting to lakes and way more ponds before adding something like spino if its suppose to scare deino out of its lake

[bleak kestrel]

I hope it wont basicaly steal deinos niche tho..

[bronze niche]

deino will be able to grab bigger prey, spino will be able to only grab smaller prey but more than one at a time

[bleak kestrel]

This is still bad

Deino right now needs to catch ANYTHING it can

I mean not alawas but if ur fg deink letting a 500kg dino live its waste of food

If spino i dont think would use water to hunt ngl

[bronze niche]

for the one that said "?" i meant that deino can grab 4 tons and 6 tons while swimming, spinosaurus probably wont be able to catch the same weight threshold but spino will be able to grab more than one target at a time shown in concept art