general-feedback-discussion

[latent olive]

latch onto a wall or something

the stamina regeneration when latching is much faster

[night obsidian]

I'll try later

[thick summit]

Ptera's stamina is fine

You should the gliding most of the time to save stam

[unique mirage]

stam in general is a problem on smaller playables imo

[night obsidian]

Yes. Smaller animals often means faster metabolism but right now you sit as long to Regen as a trodoon as you do as a Stego.

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message i agree

[woeful latch]

imagine downvoting that

also the guy blocked me so i can’t upvote😔

i’m slowly becoming wavepoole 2
i can’t even count the amount of people who blocked me here for downvoting their feedback

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/thomas-shelby-blocked-message-1blocked-message-gif-26596700

[barren sparrow]

#general-feedback message
I like the thought of death animations. I really do, but unless there's a way to do it without locking the hunter into an animation, I don't want it. It would be great in a game where you don't have to worry about a 3-5 second animation getting you killed while you're locked in place. So, while I would love this kind of animation in-game, I also don't want to be killed because I was animation locked killing something in the middle of a pack hunt.

[pallid bison]

hi

[urban flax]

A death animation doesn't have to be a synced kill animation

[thick summit]

exactly

the dying animal could be gasping for air before collapsing

or it could collapse and try to get back up or something

[urban flax]

Honestly, an animation of it just falling over and dying would already be ages better than what we currently have

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
<@&933486433342222376>

Faster than Light

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message there’s no reason for this other than the common misconception that small tiers = scavenger. troodon is a capable hunter

[gentle lichen]

#general-feedback message

i think it should stay like this because they are really perfect when you have gastro and you need to heal

[thick summit]

Indeed

But it'd be neat to have some kind of backup plan as troodon

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message what are they gonna suggest about this 😭

[normal shuttle]

What was posted?

[cyan dagger]

not sure why yall downvoting non of you play the north side its empty at all times no one wants to be there they need to open it up or stop sending us

[covert tiger]

@unreal ridge one of the worst herbivores for combat? yes
one of the worst for survival? absolutely not
this is a survival game, not a combat game
you have plenty of other options

[unreal ridge]

maia is also arguably one of the worst creatures to survive with
part of surviving is combat and if you cannot fight off a creature 2 tons lighter than you, its fodder
maia's poor bleed, poor turning and poor acceleration make it get out competed by the rest of the herbivore roster and can be reliably killed by a majority of the carnivore roster without risk of death whatsoever

@covert tiger maia does not need to revert to pre acceleration nerf maia, however it does need to be able to reliably defend itself from solitary predators as a 3.7 ton animal
personally I have no trouble with maia, however I see so many clips of it getting dogged on by solo ceras or carnos and it just seems pathetic

[vestal vapor]

@icy lion I have put it in the bug report. It's also general feedback, why is it not allowed to be seen by others?

[unreal ridge]

its just so unresponsive and hard to control for the average player, maia is kind of bad right now and deserves to be buffed so that at the very least it can stand up for itself

[subtle swan]

#general-feedback messagewhat is swamps sanctuary and how can we make it better? (idk maybe make things spawn there and have a reason to stick around)

[vale tiger]

if I log out properly (sleep for 1 min), why does it show my status as "unknown"?

[subtle swan]

where did you log out? If you're not on the ground it shows that.

[barren sparrow]

I can agree with these, but it's not what the linked feedback was asking for. Like I said, I would love little death animations, they would be great for immersion, but the feedback I was referencing was asking for synced kill animations.

[icy lion]

@peak junco That's just how Steam beta branches work

[peak junco]

That's why I said I'm not sure how feasible it is, I'm new to all of this ❤️

[icy lion]

If you rename the file in Steam/steamapps/common then swapping branches won't replace the previous version, but you'll have to create a new shortcut to the .exe

[peak junco]

Is there a reliable video or guide for this? The ones I keep finding are from a year and over ago

[icy lion]

They should still work

[peak junco]

The one I going said to rename the file called "TheIsle" and download Evrima, and I should be able to swap by renaming which one I needed but that didn't work out unless I did it wrong

[icy lion]

You don't have to rename the files over and over, you just have to make a separate shortcut for the .exe of whichever version is the renamed one

[peak junco]

I'm pretty sure I got it now thank you!

[covert tiger]

its got the highest skill cap in the game imo
i would say 80-90% dont know how to play maia properly
those vids are evidence of bad players, not a bad dino

[limber hull]

imma be honest man i've watched maia fight and played maia and i wouldn't call fighting its 5 layers of jank skilled

i dont really care if you can master using a kit that actively hinders you for using it, it's still unfun and poor game design to have a kit that clunky. Nothing about it is remotely satisfying or enjoyable to use

[woeful latch]

this is very fair point, i agree with maia being clunky. but it’s really easy to make maia op with its speed and hp. its “clunkyness” is what actually makes it possible for tenos/ceras to fight back.

i’d want to hear what’s your maia suggestion, what would you change

[covert tiger]

i think it could use a small hitbox improvement on its rear kick attack but thats pretty much it
improving animation speed would make it too oppressive due to its speed

[limber hull]

there's a difference between a slow attack and an attack that has like, a 3 second recovery period for no goddamn reason

[woeful latch]

tbf maia also has 3.9t health, even if it got bitten it doesn’t loose much. which is part of the reason i dont mind those cooldowns. i guess they made it so you can attack maia while its on cooldown

idk if it will be possible to fight maia as teno or cera if cooldowns were faster

[noble heart]

can anyone explain a bit why blood scents dissapear near water
i can never find whatever it is

[white elm]

I want the turning nerf reverted but the acceleration made mandatory (stance swapping while running resets acceleration in biped mode)

[woeful latch]

my way to balance was always this:

• give maia its agility back
• make cooldowns faster
• fix the bug with the stances

and in exchange make it so it can’t stun or knockdown cera/teno with the shove. but it should be able to do so with the stomp/kick

and also swap tenos and maias swimming speeds

maia being able to chase them down and stun is mehh i never liked that at all.

[white elm]

Agreeable and true

I hope this is implemented

[woeful latch]

i also wanted insta acceleration back, it was fun, but the only reason i don’t like is it makes it very difficult to ambush maia.

but if allo pounce would slow it down maia could get its acceleration back. i don’t mind that

[thick summit]

I agree

[woeful latch]

so maia would need to react fast, but if allo ambushes it and pounces it’s basically over, it will slow down maia so it won’t be able to run away

[white elm]

#general-feedback message no

I'm tired of people picking the hardest playable in the game and wanting it easier

No

You picked the biggest carni in the game, it will be hard

[frank tapir]

small fish can spawn in swamp, I've seen them as cera recently

[woeful latch]

tbf i see a lot of fish around when i play as a ptera, idk how they can’t find any

[thick summit]

B-but my juvi herrera

The fish spawn is really inconsistent and could use some tweaks

But deino should not get much value out of schooling fish

[night obsidian]

Maia ist perfectly fine. He is not supposed to really fight if the opponent is anywhere near his weight class.
Your whole point is invalid.
When played right acceleration and turn speed is not bad. Just switch between stances when starting to run or wanting to turn.
It takes a bit of skill to master it.
People that are complaining just don't know how to play Maia and lack skill or think just because they weight 3,7 tons they should be able to be a good fighter.
Maia is exactly where it should be and I'm happy the devs found the sweet spot to actually make a runner despite his big weight.

[limber hull]

imma be honest man when you can't even swap stances while being attacked, aka the way you actually escape these threats, i'm gonna go out on a limb and say, no, it's not exactly where it should be

[unreal ridge]

Yk call me crazy but I feel like Maia (3.7 tons of rippling muscle and jiggly rolls) shouldnt struggle so much it’s a common occurrence to see them die in 1v1’s against Cerato, tenonto, dilo, and sometimes even carno

Can we please not make the hadrosaur complete fodder?

I understand having a poor turn radius so it can’t just insta stun things, but Maia was nerfed too severely

Instead of a 9 second acceleration time, maybe 6 seconds
Instead of the worst turn in place I’ve ever seen, maybe just make it a little better

There’s not really a way to punish mistakes as Maia unless you get a lucky hit or if they are right in-front of you

The stun is supposed to buy Maia time to escape yes, but if I do everything correct in a fight, hit my attacks, etc I should be rewarded with some applicable damage no?

[night obsidian]

I agree with you. The fact that we cannot switch stances while being attacked would be a a thing that has to be fixed. Totally agree with you. But everything else is fine

[indigo gulch]

Yeah how dare they want fish in the place where there should be and barely anyone comes nowadays, especially as juvi’s. Imagine wanting fish as a juvi😁 just criminal!

[night obsidian]

And again there is not a single valid point in your comment. Acceleration time that you've mentioned is only valid if you don't switch stances. If you don't do so. It's your own fault and a skill issue. You accelerate just fine if you just switch stances.
And your mindset is just wrong. All the points you make are revolved around fighting. Tells me you still think just because Maia is heavy he should be strong. Get rid of that mindset.
The only point I agree with that the other guy mentioned is that you're not able to switch stances when you're being attacked.

[limber hull]

Eh, still think maia needs more than that. The stamcosts on a lot of their attacks are just too high and they REALLY need to do something about the animation times on some of these attacks.

[white elm]

The biped mode turning is also egregious, especially considering that if the acceleration was actually mandatory (make swapping between modes while sprinting reset acceleration please), it would be enough of a weakness.

[woven bane]

@humble coyote ain’t no way

[humble coyote]

mhm

it is i

[white elm]

what

[woven bane]

i did NOT expect your return lmao

[humble coyote]

yeah who wouldve known

[desert arch]

How...

[noble verge]

quick question anyone know that the server name you have like (north, central, south etc...) has anything to do with latency or is it spawn location on the server ?

[desert arch]

Its the location the server is hosted from

So small ping differences even in specific regions

[night obsidian]

So basically what you want is to get rid of the whole concept of Maia being a runner instead of a fighter. Gotchu. Ridiculous statement. I'm happy Maia is a bad fighter. Because that's exactly what he is supposed to be. I enjoyed playing Maia until now. It's hard, yes. But you knew that before you started playing him. People complaining that the most difficult herbivore is hard to play is ridiculous

[limber hull]

no, there's a difference between a bad fighter and something that literally gets domed by 2 dilos with ease lol

it should be a bad fighter

it already has poor damage

[woeful latch]

erm 😐

[limber hull]

i want something that doesn't feel so clunky and robotic that it doesn't even feel like an animal anymore

that's my take on the matter

[vestal vapor]

<@&401466542140817419> #gateway-screenshots message scam link from compromised account.

[indigo gulch]

Here too

[faint tapir]

agree on that 100%. It feels other-worldly compared to the rest of the roster. Its so hard to describe.
What are your thoughts of balancing being more weighted on growth time vs KG weight, since growth time is the actual player investment. E.g if a cera can 1v1 a maia, then either the cera growth time needs to be raised to Maia growth time, or the Maia reduced to cera (very rough and random example).

[limber hull]

idk about that. feels like its a copout tbh

[humble coyote]

magic

[night obsidian]

I'm with you

[night obsidian]

But what can and cannot 1 v 1 is player dependent. I've seen enough Maia player destroying a Cera 1 v 1 to make the measurement for a change like this debatable

[thick summit]

Maia shouldn't be the best brawler but it should be able to defend itself against way smaller animals

[night obsidian]

You mean against the carnivore with the strongest bite? Do you see where the problem lies ?

[thick summit]

The carnivore with the strongest bite is an apex

[night obsidian]

Right now it's Cera. Let's stay in the present okay?

[thick summit]

Deino

[night obsidian]

Deino is in the water

[thick summit]

It's still the strongest carnivore ingame

[night obsidian]

Nobody is able to defend itself from deino except Stego. So he is outta debate

[night obsidian]

Dude, stick with the point please

[thick summit]

And cera is a fraction of maia's weight

I mean cera shouldn't really be hunting anyway

[night obsidian]

That's right

Another issue

But that's Cera, not maia

[thick summit]

But maia should be able to fight 2-3 carnivores outside of its weight class

[night obsidian]

Why

[thick summit]

Why not?

It's a large animal

[night obsidian]

Is a buffalo able to defend itself from 2 or 3 lions ?

Nope

[thick summit]

It is

[night obsidian]

Oh really

[thick summit]

If the buffalo is experienced

[night obsidian]

I can show you multiple Videos showing the opposite

[night obsidian]

Well

[thick summit]

Videos tell only half of the truth

[night obsidian]

If experienced, I guess a cat could kill a human then

[thick summit]

A cat weighs less than a newborn

Well some cats

[night obsidian]

Is weight the measurement for who wins a fight ?

[faint tapir]

its definitely a simplification. maybe over-simplification. But with roster bloat you cant really tweak everything vs everything at mass scale.
The only other thing i can think of is a unique damage reduction or multiplier for certain match-ups.
Imaginary Example: Devs have finally found the perfect balance stats for Cera where it sits precisely as intended in Dondi's vision of the ecosystem. After years it finally performs as intended vs every playable except 1 match-up issue...it now gets melted by e.g Carno. Do you go back to the drawing board again and again, or is it easier to just add a "vs carno" multiplier?

[thick summit]

Size matters

[night obsidian]

Because then carno and Cera would be even. But they are not

[thick summit]

Carno and cera are equals

You just have to play Carno correctly

[faint tapir]

growth time also part of the equation. Not entirely, but to an extent. (or sum of growth times, if you are in a pack)

[thick summit]

Growth times don't matter at all

They don't matter in a fight

[night obsidian]

So what kind of multiplier for maia would be needed here then?

[thick summit]

Maia is a 3.8t bulk

[night obsidian]

Right now? Not really

[thick summit]

Carno just requires a lot of skill

[faint tapir]

that depends on Dondi's intentions and where he wants Maia to sit in the food chain

[night obsidian]

If so we would see much more carnos around

[thick summit]

Anyway back to maia. It should be able to defend itself against smaller carnivores and run from large carnivores

[night obsidian]

What counts as smaller and what's bigger

[faint tapir]

they take 1hr+ longer to grow vs cera, and have a tougher time surviving. of course we see so few. (unfortnately)

[night obsidian]

Should defend itself against 1 Cera? I'm with you. 2? Questionable. 3? Run

[night obsidian]

Yea growth time right now makes no sense for many playables

[faint tapir]

exactly what im saying. and they should. its the only tangible player investment.

[thick summit]

That's because cera is currently the meta carnivore because it's good at everything

[mild isle]

You don’t see few because Carno isn’t equal to cera but because cera is easier to grow and like someone else said- Carno requires more skill in order to be equal

[thick summit]

That's why we see less carnos because people wanna be the big mean carni

[thick summit]

I'd say maia should be able to defend itself against anything below 2t and run from everything larger than 2t

[night obsidian]

So they are not equal. Cera is easier to play with the same amount of skill

Therefore stronger

[night obsidian]

Debatable but doesn't sound to bad

[thick summit]

Maia should win in a very close fight against 2-3 ceras

But only if the maia plays well

[night obsidian]

I think it should run

[faint tapir]

2 is the upper limit, and currently far from reality. vs 3 definitely no, not unless the balance changes nerf cera massively. even if it kills 1 cera the other 2 get body buff and melt it. Maia should run vs 3 ceras.

and i say that as someone very tired of seeing ceras everywhere since last summer 😄

[night obsidian]

What kind of buff would you guys love to see on Maia ? Do you have something specific in mind

Is it only turn radius ?

And acceleration?

[faint tapir]

less time between animations, and fixing the bug that disallows stance switch when taking any damage. Thats all it needs

[night obsidian]

Oh wow, what are we talking about then? I've never said anything against this two

[thick summit]

The thing is

Cera ain't supposed to hunt

Especially not large animals like maia

[night obsidian]

That is a Cera issue yes

Cera should not be able to fully sprint while charge biting in my opinion

To make it an actual defensive ability

[thick summit]

2-3 carnos should be able to go after a maia for sure

[night obsidian]

Like it should be. "Get away from me and my corpse" ability

[night obsidian]

Yes

[faint tapir]

but thats the exact opposite of Dondi's intention for carno. 😄

i would like to hunt maias as carno, but its not whats intended ideally

[night obsidian]

You're right. But in some way it sounds logical to me

But how to prevent that then

Right now our small game hunter is nowhere near its niche

[faint tapir]

you cant, and the more the roster grows the harder it will be to balance everything. this is what i wrote as an example above

an imaginary example

[night obsidian]

I guess we'll have to see and wait. It might be hard but there are ways. Your example of making specific buffs or debuffs wasn't to bad. Maybe one day we will sse status effects like stress or fear. If you fight let's say a Maia as a carno. Your carno will do less damage against Maia because your carno is scared of big or giant herbivores. And that debuff would only apply to that specific species or individual you're fighting against. (Just dry example)

[faint tapir]

basically yeah, could be marketed as stress/fear etc. its gives devs an easy way out of complex multi variable equations when they try to balance everything.

[vestal vapor]

@elder hemlock ref #general-feedback message

If official, MZ's and PZ's are your best bet.

If not fly through the mud flats when traversing betweel west rail and sp, stop on the rocks and wait 10 minutes then continue.

This will help as it adds an additional zone to your path which can open a spawn. Also crabs, psiti's and turtles spawn in mudflats.

(Curvy ocean river is mudflats south of west rail)

[thick summit]

Carno is a small game hunter yeah

But it can gang up on larger prey

[night obsidian]

So does omnie which is supposed to be a big game hunter. If carno can do the same + being a small game hunter omnies place in the eco system becomes irrelevant

@unreal ridge I know pachy needs a rework but I'll never forget how when pachy was just slightly stronger than he is now, he was able to 1 v 1 a carno. We gotta be careful with balance changes. Your suggestion might be a little to much

[mild isle]

Why not give Carno worse turn radius? That seemed to be the only reason Carno had trouble attacking big game on Legacy, now that it has good turn radius it’s capable of hunting things other than small game

I mean make it turn slower when walking/running to make attacking bigger things a lot more risky

[night obsidian]

And make him exceptionally vulnerable to attacks from smaller carnivores ? It would push him even further away from its niche

[mild isle]

How does worse turn radius make him weaker to smaller carnivores?

[night obsidian]

Is that a real question ?

[desert arch]

Slow alt attack and bad turn on carno = maia but less tanky

[mild isle]

Yes, he still retains his speed and charge.
Is Carno not faster than Omni and Dilo?

[night obsidian]

Faster but can't outrun

[mild isle]

Forgot how slow alt was, could increase that speed slightly to make up for turn radius nerf

[night obsidian]

Sounds better

Ever fought a carno as an omnie ? Your main focus is abusing his slow turn radius to sneak in attacks. Right now it's still very dangerous to attack a carno as omnie. It might be to easy if carnos turn radius would be nerfed. I don't know if a better alt attack could make up for that. Maybe. Idk

[indigo gulch]

Yesterday, 2 fg carno’s. They couldn’t do anything

[mild isle]

Fought a Carno solo or pack?
I think the better alt attack would make up for it slightly- but also I don’t like digging into too many specific details as if there’s a full pack vs. a solo Carno it’s just nature and not balancing atp

[mild isle]

Slower turn radius could allow Omnis to escape easier while the alt attack speed buff could still make pursuing the fight risky

[indigo gulch]

Oh you misunderstood. The carno’s suffered

[desert arch]

I shall be your witness

[bronze niche]

its not that hard to dodge carnos charge and the carnos already suffered enough with his weight nerf

[chilly badge]

deino life is garbage u just either starve or get killed by a adult that roams and kills sub adults and juvies

[thick summit]

Dilo and troodon are pack hunters too and omni is still relevant

Omni is way better at hunting larger animals

A good Carno pack can hunt larger animals

But they can mess up because if their poor turning speed

[thick summit]

Carno is balanced. It's doing its thing quite well. We don't need to butcher Carno just because a pack of them can hunt larger prey

[bronze niche]

exactly why cant people understand that animals like carno are meant to cull out raptors meanwhile raptors can hunt larger animals like diablo and maia

the only thing i would change about carno is its consumption for meat, dude eats meat like hes still 1800 kg and his bite hitbox so its easier to hit prey youve knocked down (growth time as well)

[thick summit]

And if three medium sized carnivores work together they can infact kill larger prey

[bronze niche]

i wouldnt say 3 adult carnos can kill something like a diablo or maia, 2 tenos at best

seeing aki paces carno video it is infact possible to kill 2 adult tenos with 2 other carnos

[thick summit]

I've seen Carno packs that were able to take down a maia

Dibble is almost impossible for Carno to take down as it lacks the agility to dodge diablo's attacks

[bronze niche]

https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/jB86essttYQo1MBS4?invite=cr-MSxxbGksMTMzMDg2NDY3LA

i know you didnt say IMPOSSIBLE only almost impossible but its still possible nonetheless

[thick summit]

Great job

I will never understand why some dibbles just don't play aggressively

I slam full cera packs with ease on dibble by simply baiting them to attack and playing really aggressive

[bronze niche]

mindset holds them back

[normal shuttle]

Worst dibbles ever

These people should quit the game if they die to carnos or get soloed by ceras

[fathom tulip]

@harsh sun I think the water shaders have been broken for a bit now, but im not sure

[harsh sun]

Ahh that would explain it

The underwater lighting looked quite good a few updates ago.

[fathom tulip]

Yeah I think thats why we sometimes get that black box underwater as well

[fathom tulip]

I know, I miss it. Semi-aquatic gameplay just doesnt feel the same with the shaders busted

[harsh sun]

Indeed. It ruins immersion. When they eventually fix it I hope they make the lighting in the oceans better.

[covert tiger]

@oblique fable
You should not be consistently eating gastroliths
They don't stack
Eating one lasts 55 seconds, there's no use eating another one before that other than to refresh duration

[oblique fable]

Ah ty, I didn't know that

but that does present another issue

cause I had no clue that it worked like that at all, its not really shown to BE like that, I assumed it rather just drained my hunger the more I ate

Stupidly simple- but would be good to see something notifying that the gastrolith is working and has a lasting effect

[icy lion]

Press Tab and look for "Ingested gastrolith"

[oblique fable]

Yeah I thought that existed- but I mean, still didn't realize it was there either way XD
yet again, nothing on my screen told me about me having the lasting effect, bringing up another tab just to notice and see it isn't the best way to notify the player I just got a lasting effect

Most lasting effects got a visual cue or sound effect, stuff like vomiting, breaking a leg, lower health, etc all have visual or auditory cues that make me realize "something is different", then I'm think to check my tab and voila! The ingesting of a Gastrolith didn't really tell me it was going to last, all I knew is that my hunger was going down the more I ate

so my mind just assumed it worked on a "eat more, drain more" system, rather then just being an effect that drains it over time

[night obsidian]

It's hard because of the hitboxes and latency

[night obsidian]

If you wouldn't die from a carno charge 5m away from the attack I would agree. But with the mentioned issue. It's just a pain.

[woven surge]

@nocturne minnow it already exists /unstuck

[nocturne minnow]

where do i enter that?

[urban flax]

in chat

[nocturne minnow]

thank you

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message If the underwater looked like that everywhere, you wouldn't be able to run the game

#general-feedback message I know it's hard, but just learn the map like the rest of us

[proud coral]

I actually agree that underwater can be too clear in some areas. There's like no filter/overlay whatsoever.
Would be nice if it had a subtle effect.

[elder hemlock]

sorry what is PZ and MZ haha

[vestal vapor]

Migration Zone and Patrol Zone.

[deft fossil]

Haha goes from clean fish tank to can’t see 5 inches

That’s not even taking into account the camera abuse to remove it to see clearly

[wintry cipher]

#general-feedback message

Kissen has spoken about Titanoboa, linked below, and no, Paleophis is nothing like Titanoboa. Its a venemous snake. Not a constrictor. Thats why it can move and bite and fight and be somewhat viable; its not a heavy animal devoted to crushing the air out of a 3-4+ ton animals lungs. If Titanoboa would ever be added, it would be the very last animal due to the sheer number of animations it would require to get it to look right when wrapped around every single creature in the game, not to mention how slow and vulnerable it would be to everything.

#isle-discussion message

[wintry cipher]

@solemn hornet Just to lyk theyre working on it. This is from 5 days ago ish.

#isle-discussion message

[solemn hornet]

Good , very good , hope that the idea will become a real thing , cause mixpacking dosent feel right to me

[wise edge]

I understand mix packing it annoying but when it comes to herbivores mix packing is ok because in the wild different herbivores sometimes do this but when it comes to herbs mixing with Carnivores it shouldn’t be allowed

[compact timber]

@bold oasis #general-feedback message popcorn is an odd one LOL but very intruiging
also you might wanna rephrase "on the floor" with either humans dropping it themselves or those being found in buildings for the humans but dinosaurs can invade- etc..

[bold oasis]

I want to eat spilled popcorn on the floor as Troodon. That was my inspiration for my anecdote

Chocolate bars too 🍫

[compact timber]

goofy xD
also why I suggested a rephrase is because people might think you can just randomly find popcorn or human snacks and might not want that

[compact timber]

first thing I thoughto f when you said "snacks" LOL

[bronze niche]

i honestly dont get this, playing as carno everytime i used charge and rammed it looks like i was hitting the target always while ramming, not playing as carno it always looked like they were hitting me

what i would do is remove tail hitbox for carno but make it more penalizing for the animal if you hit the torso

[faint folio]

@gloomy reef which version of humans are we talking? I could definitely see mutations being a thing for Gen 1 (I think it's called?), if they're playable. I think mutations would make less sense for mercenaries... But honestly, mercenaries probably won't need mutations. Their "mutations" will probably be a gear tree- ie to get improved night vision they need to improve their night vision goggles... Multiple ways to implement that, from looting better gear to trading for it with game currency to unlocking it

[unreal ridge]

we have to look at the things that made pachy too strong and simply tone them down, A main reason pachy was very strong is that while its ram did stun it if it missed, if it hit it would stun the victim 100% of the time
taking this into thought, an adequate buff/nerf would be to give pachy's stun back only on the first ram to an area, and the rest of the stuns are either up to RNG or on a timer (ex. one stun every 20 seconds so pachy cant get greedy)

I would like to give pachy a mobile attack as currently both of its options do limit it very much
the ram is directionally locked and stuns after use hit or miss regardless
and the alt head swing requires slower movement than running

I think to give pachy a mediocre damage higher movement speed attack with minor bone break effects (to smaller targets lets say at max to dilo) would solve a lot of pachy's current issues

pachys has the most confident predators in the game without really much of a way to prevent itself from dying
against carno and cerato pachy needs to get to high ground or break a leg then run like hell, but if theres two of either creature or god forbid pachy misses a ram, it will die
and how many times are you willing to sit on a rock being camped out just because you can't deal with a predator

with omniraptor and troodon, it takes two omnis to pin and kill a pachy and omnis are almost always in a group of 3-4
a solitary troodon is also more than capable of taking down a pachy, it takes at most 6 pounces to kill a pachy

with herrera pachy just dies theres really no counter play to that and thats fair, sometimes you just get eaten

out of all of them surprisingly dilo is the "worst" at hunting pachy, because of dilo's large size making it easy to hit and the fact it gets put on the ground by pachy's ram
still doesnt mean dilo is bad at it, dilo is significantly faster than pachy and also doesn't have to directly fight pachy after venom is inflicted

carno and utah absolutely decimate pachy with little counterplay
I will say though, that because of pachy's nerf there isnt as much herd play, cooperation does significantly help pachy's chances of survival (i.e multiple ram to break different spots and ramming pounced raptors off pinned herdmates) however being in a large ground also significantly increases anything's chance of survival so it is negligible

[coarse spruce]

@dawn hound #general-feedback message I didn't measure hypsi or ptera but
Beipi 1:40
Dryo 1:50
Herra 2:50
Troodon 2:50

Whilst omni and dilo are 3:05 and 3:15 each

[worthy tangle]

People who think that random spawn on the map is the norm, I'm sorry, I'll never understand you.

I wanted to play with a newbie friend, it's just impossible for me to find him, he doesn't know where to go, we both don't have much food. Who are you making the game for?

Inconvenient, incomprehensible, spends a lot of time on useless pastime, that's what he wants to convey to you, dear developers

[obsidian jetty]

they are currently working on friend spawn codes so you can spawn near your friend

[worthy tangle]

I noticed that the more they work, the worse the game gets. Return the 3.5 update and leave the game alone as legacy, there will be a better solution.

You can't select spawn. I'm sorry, it's just ridiculous, it's absurd.

[obsidian jetty]

I disagree with that statement, but the friend codes are kinda the solution to your problem. The spawn will still be random, but your friend will be near you

[worthy tangle]

There are no friend codes now, this problem has been going on for half a year.

[obsidian jetty]

well, all I can tell you is that they are planned for the next update. If that's not good enough for you, there's not much I can do.

[worthy tangle]

I wonder why it was necessary to remove the spawn selection at all, if there was nothing to solve the problems.

I suggest then removing the dinosaur selection, and planning a solution to this problem in half a year.

[obsidian jetty]

That was done to stop everyone from spawning in one spot (wherever the current hotspot might be) and spread people out, which worked.

[worthy tangle]

It only caused suffering, we can't find each other for 2 hours on this "beautiful" gateway map.

Previously, there were no problems, we chose one spawn area, found each other and are playing, but now it's complete nonsense

[obsidian jetty]

That's precisely why we'll be getting the friend codes. Hope they will ease your suffering a bit.

[worthy tangle]

It would be more logical to make the codes first and then remove the spawn selection.

[obsidian jetty]

Legacy had random spawns without codes as well, not like that's a new thing

[worthy tangle]

everything was fine in evrima for several years, but then they decided to just destroy everything, everything that gave comfort

[normal shuttle]

@worthy tangle map ain’t even that problematic to traverse unless ur a deino or juvenile dibble/steg😭

Yeah I think friend codes should be a priority but that feedback is going nowhere

[worthy tangle]

Herrera hatch with a speed of 20 kmh and a 0.000001 sec supply of food

[normal shuttle]

Well yeah that one too lol

[white elm]

15km/h

[worthy tangle]

15*

[normal shuttle]

But you can still just wait for a moment to eat something until you hit subadult in like 30 minutes and then have no trouble climbing over mountains to find ur buddy

[worthy tangle]

I don't know, it just pisses me off, I haven't been able to find my friend who logged into the game for the first time for 2 hours.

[normal shuttle]

Take it easy

Also to be fair random spawns have their positives

[worthy tangle]

In general, this game has become absolutely unacceptable for a beginner to play it.

[normal shuttle]

In servers with spawn selection, there’s like only 3 points of interest and then areas that go completely unused

[normal shuttle]

Has become? You have to be kidding me, or you just started

There’s many improvements to make and fortunately they’re working on that, but this game used to be far worse despite legacy’s simplicity

[worthy tangle]

I only play on official servers.

[normal shuttle]

Better than “realism” servers ngl

Despite the hacker issue even though staff does their best to keep them in check

[worthy tangle]

In my opinion, all the developer does is MAKE the game WORSE. From the 3rd to the 7th update, I played and had no difficulties, then the developer seemed to eat something and began to spoil my stamina, then introduce mechanics for dilophosaurus, then remove traces with traces of blood, now they also made an inconvenient map with no choice of spawn

All I feel is that it makes me angry.

[normal shuttle]

Maybe learn to adapt and perhaps shift the mindset in an attempt to understand what the devs are going for rather than Dondi himself plainly to ruin your day?

New stam is an actually valuable source that you need to manage, dilo venom is mostly bugged, they made tracking less ugly and still functional, and gateway is a much more varied map that has so many pathways you can choose to travel safely from one place to the other

All of this just reminds me of how the From Software fandom rages so hard when a new game releases and for the first month or so they say it’s terribly designed

You just gotta accept that it is not the same as before and you have to adapt again bro

[worthy tangle]

And the worst part is, I can't normally commit suicide for juvie to hope that I'll get lucky with spawn.

[normal shuttle]

You can? Drowning is super easy

And cliffs are everywhere

[worthy tangle]

DEVELOPERS BRING BACK THE SPAWN SELECTION

Until I broke the monitor.

I can't physically find a friend.

Do you understand that you are interfering with a normal game? I'm ashamed in front of a beginner, I'm trying to show him what a cool game it is, but it turns out that you can't even meet here.

[normal shuttle]

Bro

😭 take it easy

You’re not being ashamed. Just keep it cool and everything at its own pace, maybe just tell your friend what the game is about and say something “yeah game’s a bit tough, just gotta go slowly and learn a bit on your own” or something like that

And you could also try starting with something that has very limited spawns like Pachy ngl

Or ptera since you can just fly and know the map better

No need to rage because you appear elsewhere man

[thick summit]

Or wait until they add spawn codes in the next patch

They were confirmed to be in thr next HT

[worthy tangle]

Just recently, there were no problems with this because it was easy to find each other.

[thick summit]

Selectable spawns caused other problems

Just wait until they add spawn codes and you and your friend will have an easier time

[worthy tangle]

WOULDN'T IT BE RIGHT TO DO THIS AT THE MOMENT WHEN THE SPAWN OPTION WAS REMOVED?????

[thick summit]

They either weren't planned back then or were still getting worked on

[worthy tangle]

In this case, you can remove the server selection option, and then after a few months find some terrible way to fix it.

They just need to return the spawn selection and that's it.

Or better yet, return the 3.5 version.

[thick summit]

Nope

That'd cause so many problems

[thick summit]

That won't ever happen

[worthy tangle]

If I want to play in one location, why should I spend half an hour every time to get there?

In 3.5, everything was perfect, the players were distributed across the map and it was caused in a natural way, rather than forcing them to run and explore the map.

Because the map was simple and clear, there were 5 places where players could always be found, but our developers decided that popular places needed to be covered with mountains, which did not change anything, only narrowed the habitat

South, Swamps, Ceter, Nort West

It was a great map, there was a desire to run from one place to another, to look for players (you knew where they could be 100%), and now the game will spawn you somewhere, and other players are also unclear where

And he suggests that you run for 20 minutes so that you reach South Plains, where you might be interested.

[thick summit]

That's one the reasons selectable spawns got removed. Major hot spots

The game is a survival game. Not a combat game. And moving around trying to find food is part of both survival and the game

[dry falcon]

#general-feedback message
You only need to eat it once

[normal shuttle]

yeah, I loved center as this plane of endless ragingf war while the rest of the map was completely empty since carnivores went where the food was and so did herbis looking for action since everyone picked that place

not sarcastic at all, truthfully true

[normal shuttle]

^

@cinder glacier you're never gonna get rid of that because players are inherently biased towards carnivores due to their media portrayal

but on the other hand it is a bit disingenous of you to say herbivores aren't (as) fun when they have plenty of mechanic depth and they also got stuff like migrations and the prey game

[latent olive]

simple

remove carnivores off each other’s diets, except for a very specific few

[normal shuttle]

sounds like a pretty cringe way of encouraging herbivore gameplay

many herbis are interesting so if people dont play them, that is their problem

no need to bother those who want to play carnivores or main one simply because there's more carni than herbi players

[cyan dagger]

people against haveing a map in game are cringe man look me in the eyes and tell me you never used the gps cords and a 3rd party map to see where you were. At least put a link on man menu for new players to find the 3rd party map this map is full of dead areas and impassible zones very daunting to new players.

[eternal moss]

this is actually stupid

that would completely ruin the game, and lead to even more mixpacking

[wooden agate]

'great map' and it was literally just a PVP bowl of a map lol\

[wooden agate]

they are confirmed to be doing it regardless + herbivores need more importance in the enviorment

[eternal moss]

bro💀

that is no where near realistic at all

[wooden agate]

i dont think having an enviorment of 70% carnis/30% herbis is very realistic either lol

[eternal moss]

anything else but taking all carnivores out of each others diets tho

[wooden agate]

no one said all, just the diets should primarily be comprised of herbivores

if you want to hunt carnivores, they still have organs. you just wont be getting the most nutritional value you can from your meal if you went out to find someone on your diet

[eternal moss]

how would this help with equalizing the herbivores and carnivores

[wooden agate]

it would a) incentivize more carnivore players actually trying to go to areas where herbivores live (such as MZ's, PZ's once they get functionality added), etc, and b) hopefully introduce some actual challenge for carnivore diets beyond simple "i must find one carnosaur as this allo and get max S diet from body and 50%+ in the other diets due to organs!"

[wooden agate]

by itself, not much. but with other additions (such as creating systems to stop mixpacking between carni x carni and herbi x carni, as theyve stated before), it has potential to be a decent change to the ecosystem within the game

[eternal moss]

oh okay

[wooden agate]

alongside the other PZ functionalities such as nesting zones (which seem to be planned as part of their functionality), more diverse carnivore movement within the map (alongside herbivore movement as well due to the new zones) paired with everything else in general sounds like its worth taking the shot

but yeh if it doesnt work out it can always be reverted no point in worrying until we know it doesnt work

[mild valve]

@wild glacier
troodon should not take that much stam to buck off for such a tiny creature
You ever try to get a bug off you just by shaking... not too effective tbh... would like to see creatures with longer arms like bary be more effective at bucking though.

[limber hull]

just eat organs lol solved

[gritty heart]

the only hard to remove little creature are ticks.

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

why do you want a mechanic that takes control from your animal and makes it suicidally charge random things

[indigo gulch]

Ever had a bug in long hair?

Let me tell you, it’s annoying

[indigo gulch]

But why though? Why would something like an omni focus only on herbivores? Ah yes how fun let’s see: 2 titans that can basically one tap it and the other ones can be oneshot pinned.

What a variety

At least hunting stuff like cera’s and carno’s is a challenge and not an almost guaranteed death sentence

[latent olive]

old mate is not looking at the future with all the other herbivores added

[minor dew]

I dont want anything. Its just a suggestion for an option that could be turned on, if a server doesnt want people mix packing and only effects people breaking that servers rule.

more so just hoping to get people to think of ideas besides banning people for playing how they want

[indigo gulch]

Is it gonna change much tho? Unless they add something that just happens to be the perfect weight class, can defend itself but doesn’t one or two tap, it’s gonna be the same

[wild glacier]

I meant it more as a balance thing, like i think it would be better if it took a bunch of Stam to knock off multiple latched on at the same time, cause I know it’s not really troodons playstyle rn but I would love to incentivize mobbing the animal to make it lose stam, while only one troodon hardly takes Stam to buck off, obviously if this change was made you would have ti alter the venom and give troo more Stam so it could pounce more

[wild glacier]

Also yeah I think anything with enormous claws like Bary should be swatting flies like crazy lol

[mild valve]

fair enough, honestly not sure why a single troodon would stay latched anyway since the majority of their damage is delt in the first second of latching...

[wild glacier]

Ig yeah I just think it’s weird that it takes so much stamina to buck it off

I stopped bucking all together against troops cause it drains so fast

[indigo gulch]

If it cost barely any it’d be too easy to buck them off before they can inject venom I guess?

[wild glacier]

i think the venom is practically instant right? its the pounce landing that does damage so the only reason they really need to stay on is to avoid being hit

[ruby quiver]

Anyone have the mouse disappear in the creation screen?

[compact timber]

they should decrease troodon's victims' bucking stamina drain drastically, and cut his pounce stam drain in half ✅

[limber hull]

Insightful

[calm obsidian]

Because yelling at people does such a good job at getting what you want. At least make it legible if you’re going to write in all caps

[white elm]

didn't you hear them

sell the game to epic so we can get battle passes

[urban flax]

I'm wondering, do people like you actually believe spamming a message in full caps in every single channel makes you more likely to be listened to, or do you manage to write a text this long and copypaste it so many times without thinking for a split second ?

[limber hull]

i also love the "at least we can get some skins"

like

brother the game lets you make your own skins

[white elm]

they want path of titans gameplay

[blissful mica]

Imagine being 3 ceras and almost dieing to herrras! And having to retreat! lol

[urban flax]

Oh I got an answer in my dms

[woeful latch]

i decided to play path of titans again. i didn’t like it.

tho the only thing i love is that they added single player mode and i actually enjoyed it lol.

[night obsidian]

Herreras can be extremely powerful if played right. What's your point? One pounce to the head of a Herrera will almost bleed you out and kill you when you are Cera.
You say that like Herrera is a weak animal.
And I say that from a neutral point of view as non of them is my main.

[blissful mica]

I posted this in the wrong place thinking i was in the other chat. Also doubt, we had to pounce onthe ceras from SUPER high up like 3 times and work to keep them on their feet.

[night obsidian]

Does the height even make a difference ?

[woven bane]

yea

[blissful mica]

yes, a big one.

[night obsidian]

Oh wow, didn't know that

[compact timber]

ey, very nice of u to give it a try tho at least :D

I gave the PTB a try after months and months of not playing

the PTB seems kinda cool they made lotsa sound changes, WELL UHHH THIS IS THE ISLE FEEDBACK DISCUSSION SO IMA SWITCH THE TOPIC BACK ON UHH

yes uh, as for this;
#general-feedback message, deinos hunger drain is already 1h and 30m, I don't mind if it gets bigger but just so ya know it's already one of the largest stomachs in the game rn (same stomach with stego) @wise edge

[wise edge]

Yes but for the availability of food it’s very fast and a ton of us find ourselves starving because if the low fish and no players unless your in highlands or south plains

[green jay]

I completely agree with lowering the food drain on Deino. Deino is an ambush hunter, it quite literally has to sit around one area and hope it gets a good chance to grab something, and that’s if you’re not cannibalized first. So it would make sense that Deinos that move less would have to feed less, because they’re using less energy, whereas frequently traveling deinos would have to eat more regularly.

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message how to make maia op and perfect hunter lmao

people who upvote this have absolutely no idea why maia got nerfed

btw it’s like 5th time they repost this and every time they call maia a sauropod💀

[thick summit]

they don't know the horrors of the maia HT

how to make maiasaura viable:

Significantly increase the speed of alt attacks and let it switch stances when receiving damage

[woeful latch]

maia really only needs some qol..
not that absolutely unhinged giant list of buffs

even current maia is a huge problem for anything that can’t outrun it. imagine giving it buffs.

[thick summit]

tbf

it does get bullied a lot by dilos

faster alt attack should give maia an easier time defending itself

but that list is worse than HT maia

[woeful latch]

exactly, maia should be good against dilos, but bad against anything bigger so it cant run around kos ceras/tenos

[thick summit]

and HT maia invalidated almost the entire roster

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback-discussion message this is what i want for the maia

[thick summit]

well it shouldn't be bad against them but reducing the stamina cost of its attacks would literally make it impossible to run from a maia

teno and cera outturn maias rn and that's how they survive them

if the maia wastes its attacks the cera/teno can get away

[woeful latch]

yes. more stamina and “free alt attacks” are so unhinged. people don’t realize that maia will simply outstam things and then kill

[thick summit]

yep

[woeful latch]

basically, yeah, but when there’s more than one maia it becomes a lot harder, especially when maias are good

you just can’t dodge all of them, they will stun you at some point and then stomp

[thick summit]

faster alt attacks and the stance switching thing would make maia a lot better without it invalidating the entire roster

[woeful latch]

which is lame, i don’t like maia being able to stun tenos and ceras.

[woeful latch]

i agree to that only when they make it so maia can’t stun bigger dinos, because maias alt attacks are already super fast for something like teno.

we should consider situations when you’re forced to fight maia and when that happens i don’t want maia having fast alt attacks as well

the slowness of its alt attacks is what makes teno vs maia at least possible

not really slowness, more like the cooldowns are long

but it’s not even big deal considering maia can outrun anything except the dilo and good maia is more then capable of defending itself

[thick summit]

I mean the shove and the stomp should knock down everything smaller than teno and just stun teno

but the alt attacks should really just stun cera/carno and smaller

and I believe the alt attacks should get a faster recovery time instead

[woeful latch]

thats exactly what makes maia a hunter

[thick summit]

not really

[woeful latch]

i would rather make maia more defensive instead of giving it ability to run down and stun tenos

we can give maia tons of buffs against small dinos, but remove its ability to hunt larger herbivores/carnivores

[thick summit]

the shove and stomp cost a lot of stamina

well

[woeful latch]

that doesn’t matter, you got more than enough to kill things before they can do anything. not to mention people are still asking to buff lol

[thick summit]

I mean I don't want HT maia to return

bro was sick of getting mauled by carnos in legacy

anyway

the stance switch thingy and faster alt attack recovery times would make maia way better

It can currently slam ceras and carnos if played correctly (I murdered 2 ceras yesterday >:) ). But dilos are a death sentence

[woeful latch]

okay, but how do you imagine teno/cera fighting maia when they’re forced into the fight

[thick summit]

they can dodge its attacks and hit it

I changed my mind

instead of increasing the speed of its alt attacks they should decrease the recovery time so it doesn't just stand there for a second

[woeful latch]

not with faster alt attacks tho, slow alt attacks is what makes the fight possible..

[woeful latch]

i mean, that’s basically what people are asking for

[thick summit]

So am I

[woeful latch]

and even tho i want maia to have faster alt attacks, i would also want some kind of way for smaller and slower dinos to be able to escape it.

but there’s literally almost nothing you can really do, it’s even the fastest swimmer

can’t even swim away from it lol

[thick summit]

that's why it should turn like a bus

[woeful latch]

rocks don’t help either, there’s few on the whole map that maia can’t access

[thick summit]

the swimming speed is kinda eh

[woeful latch]

idk why they made it so it’s the fastest on land AND in water lol, like why?!

it’s obvious that it should not be fast in water

[thick summit]

it's not the fastest on land

but I agree

[woeful latch]

well one of the fastest and also the only dino with that health and speed

[thick summit]

indeed

[woeful latch]

i’m fine with 1.3t carno running fast, but if maia runs this fast it should not be able to hunt things.

3.9t is just unbelievably tanky

[thick summit]

1.3t carno still hurts

maia is 3.8t

[woeful latch]

eh doesn’t even matter

[thick summit]

Update 5 carno was peak 😔

[thick summit]

that poor thing

but why would it go for 2 grown tenos

Hear me out on 1.8t with charge being a tool instead of being an attack

[woeful latch]

yeha lol

[woeful latch]

hm idk really, i wasn’t even fighting it as you can see, i was just standing still

[thick summit]

175 damage (bite), 75 (full charge), knockdown on charge (everything smaller than 1.8t/larger things require a longer distance of charging to get knocked down), 55 km/h, poor bleed resistance, current stamina and current agility

That's how I'd balance carno but I do love the current carno build

[woeful latch]

i really enjoy the current carno, tho i understand why people liked the old one

[thick summit]

so do I

[woeful latch]

imo it’s not even carno but more like rugops to me

but i still like it

[thick summit]

Update 5 carno was the best small game hunter imo

Some of those carno posts are trying to bring back...something else

they want this thing to be back

the "just make carno 1.8t again" would bring this lad back

what we truly want is update 5 carno (slightly adjusted of course)

[white elm]

#general-feedback message my god no

There's an ability like that in path of titans and it turned out awful

It made rhamph invincible

[versed geode]

how to tell someone didnt read

[white elm]

We don't need Beipis or Troos tanking Rex bites

Like no

[versed geode]

whos we bro go crawl back into ur hole nobody asked you

[urban flax]

The real question is "how does this make the game worse ?"
And I think we have some answers to that

[white elm]

Also sis

[grizzled rapids]

I don't think it would make small species OP by anymeans, just bite them a second time.

[haughty fossil]

Please make sure to read before voting ♥, with a half an hour cool down on it, it'd be less exploitable and if you can't hit a dino twice then skill issue

[white elm]

Not the easiest thing to do

[versed geode]

[urban flax]

Stego becomes absolute fodder to troodons and omnis
And probably carnos too

[versed geode]

waaaaahh i have to hit it more than once waaaaahhhhh i have to use my brain

[urban flax]

The very core of stego's identity is to only hit once in a while, but make it count

[haughty fossil]

Stego can hit things that are pounced to them currently so?

[white elm]

No it can't

[urban flax]

Only due to desync

[grizzled rapids]

As someone who plays troodon, and dies a lot getting hit by stego tail WHILE mounted, i disagree lol

[urban flax]

Don't mistake desync and balance issues

[grizzled rapids]

tbh the mutation itself would mostly just be desync protection

[haughty fossil]

^^

[urban flax]

And everything that comes along with it

We don't need even more balance-ruining combat mutations anyway

[white elm]

Also this, way to make Troodon op

[grizzled rapids]

from what i read the post suggests only once every half hour. And if the protection saves you, but gets you to 1 hp or low, then you still would have to withdraw or die anyway

[haughty fossil]

Stegos hardly are killed as it is. You'd maybe die to a pack of troodons but you never see those... almost because they get 1 shot by everything and stegos can kill them while theyre pounced on their back anyways. Desync or not it's still happening so

[urban flax]

Or keep fighting and finish off the thing that should have one-shotted you, instead of just dying

[white elm]

So making it unnecessarily difficult for small game hunters (i.e Carno) to do their job? cool

[urban flax]

It's not "desync or not" it's because of desync
And that doesn't justify adding the most game-breaking mutation ever

[urban flax]

Oh right I didn't think about the fact it would ruin carno as well

[haughty fossil]

It's just not game breaking to have to hit a dino twice

most dinos already get that luxury

[grizzled rapids]

Would take high skill to stay in a fight at 1 hp and kill any of the dinos you have mentioned without getting hit a 2nd time. Withdrawing would be the strat

[white elm]

Except it is

[haughty fossil]

Skill issue

[white elm]

Just makes low tiers permanently off the menu for most large hunters

[grizzled rapids]

It really doesnt

[versed geode]

no, it makes them slightly more than completely trivial to hunt

unless you suck, which it seems you do

[urban flax]

It absolutely is, when said dino should be a oneshot by your dino that reliaes on slow, heavy-damaging attacks that should be able to kill something 50x its size without issue

[urban flax]

Why are you jumping to conclusions like this, although nobody mentioned anything about their own skill or the way they play ?

[white elm]

Imagine this

You get the perfect ambush on a Dryo as an sub adult Rex
You bite it with like 250 Newton's
It lives
It runs

Sub Rex now dies for doing what it was supposed to

[urban flax]

We're just trying to use common sense here

[versed geode]

🧢

[grizzled rapids]

Dryo isnt doing anything for a sub rex stomach

[haughty fossil]

Why is a rex hunting something that is gonna give them 2% food (IF THAT) when it can hunt something that will actually sustain it. Now the rex has been heard and anything bigger is booking it

[urban flax]

Maybe a oneshot protection perk could work if it's limited to either
"only works if the attack deals less than 150% of your max health"
OR
"only works if the attack deals less than 200% of your current health"
Or something like that
Else it's OP

[urban flax]

Replace rex with carno then

It's not the point anyway

[haughty fossil]

have you even tested how much food that gives a carno

[urban flax]

Dude you're completely missing the point

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message i don’t like this

[urban flax]

skill issue, apparently

[white elm]

Apparently it's a sin to want to consistently kill low tiers

[woeful latch]

i mean, 10 troodons will suddenly become 20 troodons with the ability to just deny the death

which is ehhhh slightly overpowered

[white elm]

Yea

[gloomy reef]

@haughty fossil wait.. did you say crazy?

[unreal ridge]

@old spindle you make a good arguement
I would just say that the juveniles venom should be not so streamline like the adults perfectly guaranteed
since they are still learning to use their venom and its developing I think it would make sense for it to be a little iffy and maybe like only 35% chance of working when biting a creature
or just make them require more bites to inflict venom than an adult, like how the dilo stages work

[old spindle]

Dilo venom is already based on weight why nerf it young for juvie v juvie combat

[unreal ridge]

well it would be like weight based, you'd need more venom to inflict the same effects on something thats 2 tons instead of 1 and even lower

a juvi dilo biting another juvi yeah it would work, but not like an adult creature

[gloomy reef]

heart to heart 💔

[woeful latch]

that was most skilled carno i’ve ever seen

[unreal ridge]

I feel like carno could work at 1.6t, on par with tenonto so it can knock over teno and actually hunt it

[woeful latch]

it won’t be able to knockdown, only stun. but it can stun it anyway

[unreal ridge]

might be a sweetspot because the devs obviously dont want 1.8 carno, so keeping it on the leaner side may be an option

[unreal ridge]

whats carno's knockdown requirement?

[woeful latch]

1.6 won’t change anything, if you can’t kill the teno with 1.3t, 1.6 won’t help you

[woeful latch]

it should charge for some time and it can stun the teno

oh sorry i misread that

[unreal ridge]

yeah i was confused lol

[woeful latch]

idk really, but it should charge for like few seconds to knockdown smaller targets like pachy/omni/dilo

[unreal ridge]

dilo is like 725 kg right

700

[woeful latch]

700 yeah

[unreal ridge]

so like around 700-900 kg is something carno can achieveable knock over I would say

[woeful latch]

maybe.. idk really. it can knockdown the dilo, that’s for sure

[thick summit]

eh

[unreal ridge]

which one of tenos attacks puts carno in the ground
kick is just a stun, doesnt slam fully knock down carno?

[leaden prism]

@merry pine bro

[woeful latch]

yes, only the tail slam does knockdown

[leaden prism]

you didn't even read it just downvoted lol

instantly

[merry pine]

Stop sending this video

[woeful latch]

i watched that video, it sucks, it’s legit bad

[leaden prism]

I've only sent it once lol

[woeful latch]

it’s 99% misinfo, outdated and half of the stuff he just made up

which is funny, because most of the people actually believe in that

[leaden prism]

what part is made up

[woeful latch]

the ONLY valid point was that evrima is not friendly towards new players, but the devs are working on tutorials

[leaden prism]

how people don't find AI in migration zones or how migration zones still don't make sense or work

[woeful latch]

they do work, ai do spawn

[leaden prism]

that was moreso the section I was pointing at lol

I mean, not really? Like it says, you go to a MZ, no AI to be found, no players, despite it intending to be a hot spot

[woeful latch]

there was a 7 members carno pack sustaining on just ai

[leaden prism]

That's great for that 7 pack

I'm a solo and I go to an MZ/PZ and I find no AI

or players.

I think that's at least a valid point

[woeful latch]

the difference between me and that guy is i actually play the game lmao and i can tell when he’s lying, exaggerating, or making stuff up

[leaden prism]

Can you point out an example then?

[merry pine]

It sometimes spawn and sometimes not every time I'm full I see ai everywhere but when I need food there is no ai

[woeful latch]

if you played the game for at least a week you will know where to find people if you really want some interaction

[woeful latch]

let me find my message, i don’t want to repeat myself

[leaden prism]

That dodged my point entirely because why would you play a week when you can't identify the game's intentions day 1 lol.

My post also mentioned this as well, a veteran player will find this out eventually after shifting through the bs, but a new player. Will not.

Like, do I know where people go and etc? Of course I do, but only after failing to find progress in any other way the game intends you to be sent towards and asking people here where they go and why

[woeful latch]

guess what? evrima is in early access, what do you expect, and they are working on tutorials

[leaden prism]

And that's all the more why feedback for a system like this should be valued

Not discarded.

[woeful latch]

evrima is technically free game, you’re getting it for free when you buy legacy

it’s beta, it’s not finished, what do you expect?

[leaden prism]

You play a lot of technicalities here lol

[white elm]

you're usually good here but you need to get real, that's a terrible argument

[leaden prism]

Like, you're buying evrima at this point let's be real.

it's not "free" lol

[woeful latch]

it’s not.

absolutely ALL legacy players got this game for free.

if you open the steam page there’s still legacy, when you’re buying the isle you’re buying legacy, evrima is still just beta

the devs didn’t even make you pay again for it and people are still mad LMAO

[merry pine]

It is cuz I bought the legacy and after that they started making evrima

[leaden prism]

you paid for the game

[merry pine]

And y can still play legacy

[leaden prism]

that's not free

[woeful latch]

the fact that people post that video here is the most insane thing, that actually proves that they never played evrima, or they’re completely new

[leaden prism]

That's like when people say they're getting something for free when the game updates in content. You're not, you're just getting what the game is you paid for once lol.

[leaden prism]

meanwhile you still have yet to provide an example of otherwise.

[thick summit]

add Venom to The isle

[woeful latch]

you paid for completely different game, you got evrima for free

[white elm]

Yea the video sucks

[thick summit]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-dunking-on-spiderman-gif-26119954

[leaden prism]

Disregarding for a moment whether or not it's right even just for a moment... if it's that often it's been referenced or posted, Clearly there's a point trying to be made by some people? MAYBE they have a point with referencing some of the points made in the video that they relate to and it could just very well be sited enough times that there's some credence to the complaints mentioned?

[white elm]

Quite simply it's not a good point then

[leaden prism]

For just once, could a player here look beyond their own perspective after playing for 15k hours believing they know the game top to bottom and think about how this is viewed from someone else's player perspective?

[woeful latch]

i did lol, lied about ai not spawning, lied about mz not working. lied about the devs not working on ai dinos. that’s just what i remember, i need to actually rewatch the video to let you know, but if you played the game you will know where he lied lol.

not to mention accusations with proofs like “trust me bro” or “reddit”

there’s so much sh#t in that video, i can’t even remember everything

[white elm]

Again, the video is just based off of a certain hateful reddit community

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback-discussion message here’s my first reaction to it

[woeful latch]

basically

[normal shuttle]

What’s the topic

I love you two guys but I must pick a side

Wait…is it zenny’s video again?

[urban flax]

Pro tip : Pick the side who wins

[normal shuttle]

Real

[white elm]

regretfully yes

[leaden prism]

I don't think he's lying about AI not spawning, I think this is a black and white view of the point being made. The problem is zones are unreliable to new players as carnivores. I agree with this because how many times have you gone to a zone and found nothing and were punished for it and the game in response teaches you nothing as a result?

I don't think MZ's have been good since the early starting phase of Gateway when they had better development. You have so far made bold claims that it's all lies and slander but your argument every step so far has been "nah it's bogus, idk why, but trust me" in the same way you're hypocritically stating lol. God this community, nvm I''ma get off, idk why anyone tries lol.

[normal shuttle]

Man, if it is the damn Zenny video again, I am just going to say that most of his complaints could simply be answered by “it is in the works rn”

That video is so overhyped and, while it did point out several issues worth considering, they’re either already gone, can be somehow circumvented, or it is a work in progress right now

Other than the humans and strains thing, if the devs want that there’s no way around it and we knew this ever since the game released more or less

[merry pine]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-eating-amc-perfectly-popcorn-mouse-yum-yum-delicious-gif-15877432887457947334

[normal shuttle]

Migrations? They’re unfinished and you also got patrols

Small stuff not giving enough food to carnis? Dinosaur AI and people playing bigger things

Some animals being hard to interact with? Just yry your best to catch them or, you know, spinosaurus and megalania are planned to give them competition

Game is not newcomer friendly? UI in the works

[leaden prism]

another 2 years this will be said again

[normal shuttle]

[obsidian jetty]

honestly, this is exactly why I always said carnivores shouldn't see migration zones at all. Because people just blindly follow the quest marker and expect to be handed food on a silver platter, which, in my opinion, should only be the case for herbivores in the first place. Carnivores need to look and work for their food. But ofc that's just my unpopular opinion.

[white elm]

That kind of undoes the whole gameplan tho

[normal shuttle]

I believe it’s fine for them to see mz

So they can go and expect someone around a patrol or migration

[white elm]

Its more than fine, its PIVOTAL to their gameplay

[urban flax]

With how big the map is, they kinda need a way to roughly know where their food might be

[white elm]

carnis NEED to be incentivised to go to migration zones so that they're not eating AI and each other in south plains

[normal shuttle]

With current migration zones, not really but yes I agree that it os important and it will be essential once it is all finished

[white elm]

yea

[urban flax]

But some carnivore-exclusive kind of "long-range prey detection system" would probably be better than just being able to see patrol and migration zones

I'm not sure how it would work tho

[leaden prism]

Even something like adjusting the footprint system would be valuable because right now you can sometimes see white footprints (already hard to see) that you need to sniff specifically that one track of them to highlight green to make them turn into a cone to guide you toward something that has walked through.

If this was applied to AI better, or better emphasized, or could be sniffed so you could see more recent footprints so you could find AI beyond hoping you hear one, this would go so far.

[urban flax]

The current tracking system is far from perfect yeah

[leaden prism]

legacy it was admittedly too much imo

bright big stink smoke each footprint and MANY footprints

but the color stood out

[normal shuttle]

Far more consistent for sure, as technically herbivores tend to spend most of their time heading to a migration and only go there to eat

[leaden prism]

and it didn't opt for the 3 footprints followed by a radar cone path, it opted for the full length of footprints to follow

[urban flax]

The issue is that herbivores mostly go to patrol zones nowadays
And carnivores can smell patrol zones, but it's delayed so not super reliable either

[normal shuttle]

Yeah true

Patrols are goated

[white elm]

You don't need to hope to hear an AI, they are EVERYWHERE. You cannot go anywhere without seeing AI. They are ridiculously abundant and frankly need to be reduced.

[leaden prism]

I don't agree unfortunately.

[normal shuttle]

Me seeing a group of 10 deers in highlands

[leaden prism]

You as a player who has played long enough might recognize the spawns for them, which means to you they're abundant. To a new player, where is that?

[urban flax]

Also patrol zones often appear while a dino is travelling, without them going there, so the likelihood of finding a completely empty patrol zone is very high

[normal shuttle]

If you are in a normally populated server that doesn’t go beyond official caps, ai is always in its usual spawns

[leaden prism]

meanwhile I go to the highlands and I find at most a goat and it's trapped on a mountain side lmao

[white elm]

This is all within one area, I didn't lure them here or anything. They were just there.

[leaden prism]

and they're not in any zone

they're just in this random spot that a player should just expect to find

[normal shuttle]

Seriously, AI in some places like West Access is actually insane

[white elm]

There are no specific spawns for them, they just spawn in a radius around you every so often.

[urban flax]

Migration zones aren't for carnivore
That's a mistake many people do

[normal shuttle]

But very commonly in places that are hotspots like highlands, west access/rail and south plains

[leaden prism]

there's noticable spots where AI is abundant, and I'm not disagreeing with that, I'm not at all advocating "there's not enough AI" in any of my statements here. The fact and clear point I'm making is, how does a new player find them if they go off what they see in the game and what info we have so far.

[urban flax]

Carnivores can smell them because herbivore dinos are supposed to be there, but they have nothing to do with AI spawns, and they aren't designed to

[leaden prism]

I feel like that stopped being the case for a bit

unless there's been a recent change back to that

[urban flax]

AI spawns are bad too tbh

[leaden prism]

In my experience they have designated spawns and if they're eaten or killed, they'll take a moment to respawn so unlucky for the late comer who just spawned and was exploring to find nothing.

[grizzled rapids]

Sea turtles def still have a designated spawn. Never seen them anywhere aside from mud flats south of west rail

[urban flax]

They're extremely random and not very reliable
And it seems like devs don't know if they want AI to be ambient critters giving life to the island or just food delivery for carnivores

[normal shuttle]

They are food delivery rn

[leaden prism]

there's no conveyance as to what a player should be looking for or how they'd find it. Sea turtles are a great example though and so are fish and frogs. You know fish are in water, you can figure out frogs and sea turtles are near coasts next to water. Those make sense. Anything on land, 50/50 you might find a ton, you might find none lol.

[normal shuttle]

Endangered animals? Not in the isle

[leaden prism]

I miss crabs and rabbits.

[grizzled rapids]

Wheres this at?

[leaden prism]

I get excited when I see one, even chickens

[white elm]

I forgot

[normal shuttle]

Turtles very much only spawn in the west side of the island near the coast

[grizzled rapids]

Wasnt at mud flats though? Ive spent so many hours on coastlines and never see them anywhere but the flats

[gritty heart]

It seems like the ai either doesn’t spawn or all spawns in one massive herd in this game fr

[white elm]

society if ai spawns were a reward and not expected:

[gritty heart]

Society disappeared ?!?!

[grizzled rapids]

when i play PT i like to fly out to the islands in the northwest, and i pretty consistantly get chickens and rabbits. So they do spawn around players in some cases, just not all

[normal shuttle]

They sometimes get a little into the land

Where they’re harder to see

[wintry cipher]

@snow plaza Environment design and character design require different skillsets. They have two diff people working on those. Its not like its slowing dino production down by making buildings. Making a character just takes that much time.

[normal shuttle]

#general-feedback message learn to manage your stamina bro

Ptera literally has enough stamina to not even burn half of it and travel almost the entire map from one point to the other in a few minutes.

As long as you don’t waste all of it, you can simply land or latch somewhere to regain it quickly

[golden bane]

Ptera litterally lose 25% of his stamina on just goin up from the floor, what are u saying? And u said u can just regain stamina quickly, but it takes like 7 minutes to regain full stamina

[icy lion]

It costs 0 stam to take off from being latched or when you're falling, and it takes 4 min to regen from 0-100

[desert arch]

Even the ground takeoff is 8%

[golden bane]

But it cost 25% to take off from the floor

[icy lion]

It does not

[desert arch]

Thats for the running takeoff

[golden bane]

Uh, did u even plaid ptera?

[desert arch]

Yes

[golden bane]

No, rlly nlt

[desert arch]

Yes it is...

[normal shuttle]

Taking off from the ground wastes so much less than that. What drains the most is to fly up which is totally fair for an animal that relies mostly in gliding. You just need to handle your altitude and know where to land properly for an efficient start. It just needs some learning bro

[golden bane]

Then tell me why my ptera takes 25% stamina in a take off without running

[icy lion]

You're misreading it

[golden bane]

Yo, would i know if i ran or not right?

[desert arch]

Brother I played ptera yesterday

[normal shuttle]

I play ptera a lot 😭

[golden bane]

I played today bro, 10 mins ago

[golden bane]

Then what u mean, is better take off running, or not?

[normal shuttle]

Or can only waste that much if you stay several seconds flying up since that burns through your stam, but the thing with ptera is that you need to be smart with the takeoff spots and managing your altitude. Ptera literally wastes zero stamina while gliding and you can turn around and move faster than basically land creature

[normal shuttle]

Dropping yourself from a high place or taking off from a vertical surface wastes zero stamina, so it is the most effective. Going from the floor takes some and that’s about it

[desert arch]

Also tap space to ascend, you can fly for 20 mins straight that way

[golden bane]

U need to drink, ptera regain stam too slow, so i lose 25% going for wster, and 25% coming back, and imagine if u need food too, my ptera for a reason, cant glide rect, and need go up all thw time cuz if i dont, i fall to the water

[normal shuttle]

I remember simply thinking for 5 seconds and going up to a mountain where I latched to one side and regained the 30% stamina I lost along the way.

With ptera’s allegedly terrible stamina, I managed to reach west rail from water access with zero breaks and spending 20% stamina

[desert arch]

@golden bane

[normal shuttle]

💀 make an effort to think clearly rather than being deadset in the gamer rage.

Ptera regains its whole stamina pool from 0 to 100% in just 4 minutes, and your thirst drains from 100% to 0 in 45 minutes without mutations. You spend a relatively negligible amount of time sitting and that is assuming that you a clueless player who burns all of their stamina pool while moving when the most efficient is to be conservative with it and respect the thresholds.

Furthermore, you might be wasting stamina all the time by moving if you keep pressing the keys for movement when you don’t need to. You might be accidentally going up if you are pressing W all the time when you can simply stomp pressing it and simply turn with the other keys and sometimes tap or press space when you need to go up.

[desert arch]

8%

[normal shuttle]

It’s just that ptera flight takes a slight amount of skill and micromanagement which is totally fine

[golden bane]

Yo my ptera isnt like that, mine lose 20% by just taking off i promise

[normal shuttle]

And no one is stopping you from simply spending a fraction of your time in the ground or latching when you waste like 15% stamina!!!

You don’t have to be flying all the time

[desert arch]

Then youre doing something wrong

[normal shuttle]

It’s okay for pteras to be on land. You only really need to fly when spotted by a predator or fishing effectively

[covert tiger]

@torn plinth might be a bugged body
I dragged a body out of the water yesterday with no issues
Was a carno, and it was a teno body

[normal shuttle]

I second this. You can still grab bodies but sometimes they bug (especially in very deep water)

[normal shuttle]

You probably keep ascending unintentionally then

[torn plinth]

i must be very unlucky and having pretty much all bodies bugged 😔

[golden bane]

No, i know i can not holding W, may its just bugged flr me lr smthng, but i promise my ptera takes 20% stam with only take off

[torn plinth]

thanks for the heads up

[normal shuttle]

You may be pressing space for a bit longer than you should. There’s no way otherwise and it is unlikely that it is a bug, especially when linked to an action that simple that so many other people have used and but only you seem to experience that problem

[golden bane]

Maybe, can it happens cuz i,m like 60% grown only? Or it doesbt mayter?

[desert arch]

Next time it happens, clip it and send a bug report if you really cant find the cause 🥔 👍

[golden bane]

Ok

[normal shuttle]

But the point is

[golden bane]

Tomorrow cuz i was about to go sleep

[normal shuttle]

Ptera stamina is more than enough for what it is

And there’s a ptera rework coming soon too, which is imo exactly what it needs since they plan on making it more terrestrial

[golden bane]

Maybe as adult, but my actual ptera cant fly withouth losing minimum 50% stam

[golden bane]

That means, more or less stam?i,m new on the server so i dont know any upcoming updates

[desert arch]

Juvi and adult ptera have the same amount of flying stam, the juvi is just a smidge slower

[normal shuttle]

^

[golden bane]

Then is a bug, i,ll grab my gameplay tomorrow 100%

[normal shuttle]

Yeah sure go ahead and look it up, but ptera stam is very much fine and it just needs some skill to be handled

[golden bane]

Uh idk if grab is correct, i,m spanish so srry

[normal shuttle]

It is not like Bob ptera which can spend 90% of its lifetime flying

[desert arch]

Cant wait for others to experience it too and flood the feedback channels with "ptera bad, why did u nerf it" feedbacks 🗣️ 🔥

[normal shuttle]

I am too, it’s called recording in this case

[golden bane]

Oh ok thanks!

[hardy vine]

@green niche it’s gonna carry them on it’s back instead of the wings 👍

[coarse spruce]

I made a weight-to-growth line graph for 5 herbivores

I always felt like dryo grew slowly

[latent olive]

@gloomy reef they’ve always been planned

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1169179627856592966/1258583668813725766/Vehicle_Concepts.png?ex=67b72321&is=67b5d1a1&hm=ff89a886c6c9f951a0dec276dc97bef2f951c38b5ae96d9b479c7d16cc3982c1&

[gloomy reef]

YIPPEEEE

[gritty heart]

You always want to be as exposed as possible when traversing Dino jungles

[past crystal]

ai seem to spawn in actual packs now

[river idol]

wow they really deleted my suggestion to fix dilo venom

[pliant elm]

I made 2 suggestions about this, in the second it was for the community to test Dillo and everyone to report so it could be fixed faster, but they also deleted it

[woven bane]

do you have one on the carnivores?

[river idol]

so they must know and theyre tired of being pestered about something that should really be a hotfix

[indigo gulch]

Hotfix implies they found the problem tho. Maybe they havent yet

[pliant elm]

This bug with Dillo should have been resolved within 1 week after the update, but apparently it will remain until the release of a new dino xd

[icy lion]

Bug reports go in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[latent olive]

@urban flax where’s that copy pasta

[frank tapir]

pasta 🤤

https://tenor.com/view/pasta-gif-24394314

[bronze niche]

@limber hull tell me why you disagree

because i dont see a reason not to, if they make rex a constant killing machine why even add nesting for it because damnwell fg triceratops arent gonna be everywhere even if nesting isnt their main goal

[limber hull]

i just dont think we know enough about rex's playstyle to be making concrete numbers about its food intake lol

[bronze niche]

im 1000% sure the devs are going to make rexs food consumption insane

its going to be heavier than deino and diablo doesnt give as much food as you would think to a deino

[thick summit]

Imo everything needs a slower food drain so people do something else besides murdering everything because they're hungry

[limber hull]

lol you think people murder everything because they're hungry

[thick summit]

I mean it is a reason why people try to hunt a lot

But yeh ik it isn't the reason people chill at South plains

Reducing the hunger drain universally by like 30% should be fine imo

I don't see allo and rex (ambush predators) doing anything besides hunting

[limber hull]

idk man it's already easy enough to avoid starvation as is

what with the AI everywhere

[thick summit]

I never mentioned starvation

My point is that nesting is not affordable for most carnivores

[normal shuttle]

@spring minnow you can easily travel the whole map with ptera’s stam and you would likely not even waste all of it 💀

Ptera only demands the players to control their altitude and their starting point. With that you can go anywhere

And then a little stam management and we’re golden

[limber hull]

just wait till thermals

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message why do people downvote this?💀

[junior nymph]

LOL

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/joueur-du-grenier-no-fun-fun-fun-is-not-allowed-stop-it-gif-16558170

[normal shuttle]

Lmaoooo

I am gonna downvote too but for the funsies really

Best thing you can do with crazy people is to agree with them

[white elm]

appreciating the devs is banned obviously

[normal shuttle]

13yo who just watched Zenny’s video mentality

[white elm]

like if path of titans is so good just play that

[woeful latch]

so true..

[night obsidian]

Because we still don't have enough servers and queues are still long.

[night obsidian]

Has nothing to do with appreciation. I made a suggestion myself and expressed my appreciation for the new servers but I also mentioned that we still don't have enough servers and that I still have to wait 20-30 minutes when joining servers. Means we don't actually have enough servers or server slots yet.

[spring minnow]

No

[normal shuttle]

Yes

Git gud

[spring minnow]

1v1 me in powerpoint

[normal shuttle]

Excel

Take it or leave it

[spring minnow]

raw.

[indigo gulch]

not to mention the only reason most carnivores CAN nest is BECAUSE there is AI.

[thick summit]

exactly

[indigo gulch]

Good luck nesting in deino's or herra's when there isn't AI.

it's not happening and even if the babies fight for survival, they will STILL die of starvation

[thick summit]

real

[indigo gulch]

and it would create even more hotspots. You wanna nest? Better go to a hotspot because there won't be any food otherwise

I get that there is TOO much AI clamped in places. But I have never seen West Access or the most northern part of the map THIS inhabited

herbivores get patrol zones for diets that you can reset if you go too far. So why is this amount of AI such a problem?

[bronze niche]

rex wont be able to live off of ai, boar ai doesnt give fg deino a lot so its pretty realistic to think that a fg rex wouldnt give it much either

[wintry cipher]

<@&933486433342222376> (( in feedback too

[limber hull]

id almost be inclined to agree if they werent planning to add stuff like teno AI and didn't keep spawning more and more AI

[vernal jacinth]

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[wise basin]

dont ban me i got compromised

imma turn on 2fa and changed password

i dint even touched any link yet i got compromised

im so sorry

[urban flax]

It happened to me once
Check your friends list too, and make sure to delete any scam message "you" may have sent them

[wise basin]

yes all my groups send those someone used my id to send those links fkin hell

[hidden mist]

#general-feedback message agreed 💯

[wintry cipher]

#general-feedback message as cool as that is, imagine getting locked in an animation like that for 3 seconds in a group battle and the stego nearby instantly runs over to kill you while you are animation locked. Thats why we dont have kill animations.

[urban flax]

Yeah death animations would be plenty enough
I don't think fatalities would work in this game

[wintry cipher]

#general-feedback message Rain sounds absolutely do need to be turned down, but it would break the game to allow players to just turn them all the way off to hear everything when the point of rain is to muffle sounds. I do think we need a new sound filter for the rain- something that isnt too loud, muffles calls, and footsteps need to sound more squishy and less crunchy during rain because the ground is soaked.

[covert tiger]

#general-feedback message

Why is this getting negative votes?
Finishers would be soooo dope
Would be optional of course
You either kill normally the way it is now or do a special prompt when the other dino is super low, leaving yourself open in the animation to get hit by something else, in return you see a cool cutscene

[night obsidian]

#general-feedback message I love this suggestion. This is what I want for the game since evrima first launched. Making combat actually believable and not a hit/bite and run simulator.
But I disagree with one point you've said. You've said combat is the core of the game. That's not true. Survival is.. right now combat is the core only because other systems are not fleshed out yet or are missing. However, great suggestion

[icy lion]

This user has not once reported a hacker #general-feedback message

[golden bane]

#general-feedback message

[golden bane]

U lose gastroluths effects when u eat till 100% food, so is so simple to know if they are worling or not, and if u,re not sure, just eat fully and no more

[icy lion]

What? Gastroliths last for one minute

Filling your stomach doesn't cancel the effect

[golden bane]

It does too

[wintry cipher]

....gastroliths are a buff to drain hunger more quickly and it lasts 1 minute. If its cancelling upon reaching 100% hunger after say 15 seconds, thats a bug and should be reported with evidence.

[normal shuttle]

@unreal river have you ever considered that maybe the new stamina is a system that you have to learn and comprehend at least to a basic level, and that it indeed isn't the same as in legacy or evrima earlier on?

[normal shuttle]

also, 5 minutes for 30 seconds of sprint is a funny way to downplay it

[woeful latch]

it was 0 to 5 when i saw the post

[gloomy reef]

.

[gloomy reef]

#general-feedback message yes or no

[woeful latch]

5 downvotes

[thick summit]

no

[gloomy reef]

why no

[thick summit]

imagine you die because you couldn't see the attacker

[gloomy reef]

OOHH NO I MENT AN ATTACK BLIND SPOT LOL

[urban flax]

why tho

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message just play on rule server

[gloomy reef]

its already in the game so

W

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message i started to use third party map until I learned it and didn't need it anymore. This game is supposed to be a hardcore survival game, and an ingame map would ruin the experience

[indigo belfry]

I agree, I’ve been off an on using the third party map because sometimes I get confused as to where I think I’m at. But I’m only a few days in and starting to get the lay of the land

[urban flax]

Why the suggestion then

[golden horizon]

Wow you took less time than me. I kept using a third party map for months, until I saw my favourite streamer not using the map and it got me motivated to remember landmarks and stuff

[gloomy reef]

i didnt know it was added

[urban flax]

I didn't know either, last I saw stego can reach all around with its tail, where did you get this from ?

[golden horizon]

Its much more rewarding to navigate by experience than just using a map. I also don't think dinos used maps back in the days, but I could be wrong 😂

[indigo belfry]

Tbh I’m only really playing pteranodon. I’ve played some other herbs and a few other species but most of my time starts from only 2 spawn points so that makes it easier

I will say I’ve barely gotten any land marks remembered though. I only know off of very rough cardinal directions with like a +/-20 degree accuracy. So I can go to the region I want but I’ll never end up at the exact spot I’m looking for

[gloomy reef]

#isle-discussion message

[golden horizon]

#general-feedback message maia can 2 shot a fully grown omni, so i dont think that's a good idea

[dusk fiber]

hello everyone, I don't really understand where to write with such a problem, but at first it gave an error like in the first screenshot, then the game opens, but it looks like this, the buttons are not pressed 😦

[golden horizon]

I usually use the big dome as landmark, from there i can go in the general direction to most hotspots

[indigo belfry]

I thought there was a place for things like that.

Have you tried verifying your game files and double checking that your firewall isn’t blocking or asking for permission for anticheat?

[unreal river]

Yes im aware its a system but ptera being nearly out of stam by the time it gets above the trees and then has to go lay down again as far as i know cant regen stamina hanging from trees carno i can understand because its the cheetah of the game but every other dinosaur sits over double the amount of time it can run to regen stamina the map is huge walking everywhere isnt viable taking away stam regen while walking was the dumbest move this game has made next to releasing stego without an actual contender

[normal shuttle]

ptera factually does regen stamina while latched. You need to be above 20% stam and it will work

[icy lion]

Taking off costs 8% of your stam, you can regen while latched, and it can stay in the air for 15+ minutes. Carno's runtime was buffed and charge proportionately costs the same stam as sprinting

You can still regen while trotting if your stam is above 60%, and you can regen while walking when it's above 40%

[normal shuttle]

and honestly you sort of proved the point witht that first line: you cannot take off from wherever you want if you want optimal performance, you have to choose the best place to start flying or else you will burn so much stamina ascending

[indigo belfry]

@icy lion @normal shuttle I see what you meant in the other section after understanding it all

[normal shuttle]

you just need to comprehend the new stamina system. It's very suboptimal to simply burn your whole stam now and expect it to regen normally like in legacy

it's farm more effective to be conservative with it and use as little as posible while also relying on other ways to move like trotting, walking, gliding with ptera and slow swimming with deino or surface swim with beipi

[indigo belfry]

@unreal river I was in the same line of thinking actively not more than a few hours ago. And after having some more play time with the species it really feels like it’s all about placement. If you can find ways to coast up to where you want (tree branches are a safe way to recover while traveling and scoping out). I’ve seen a few different ways to make flight a lot easier on your stamina now using various terrain features.

[unreal river]

Ive since uninstalled the game after last night for other reasons ive played so much of this game its boring its a walking sim just to get killed by a mix packing group the game play loop is lacking any variety to keep me interested personally

Maybe I’ll come back whenever they introduce some sort of progression system that you can make your Dino stronger based off of your place style

[normal shuttle]

what?

[icy lion]

Like mutations?

And elders?

[normal shuttle]

^

lmao, those are either in the game or coming soon

[unreal river]

Mutations dont really do it for me

[normal shuttle]

so...you are just going to deny that any of this could be the player's fault?

all deaths except for cheaters are things the player can prevent

and the new stamina system is totally fair but it takes some semblance of management skills to use it properly

[unreal river]

Still a boring game to me

[normal shuttle]

whatever then

[unreal river]

Not the same excitement i used to get from it

[normal shuttle]

those 1k hours go hard tho

[indigo belfry]

From what I understand they (the devs) have said that they are getting ready to do testing to add more things in.

Plus I will say this to every carnivore. Co-existing is a thing irl so why wouldn’t it be in game? Getting caught off guard and getting killed or running into the herds and not picking off a straggler is user error that can be corrected with learning other ways to hunt and stalk

[unreal river]

Those 1K hours came from playing with friends and all the friends I used to play with have the same idea about it as me and we don’t like the new stamina system so we just don’t play the game

[unreal river]

Ive never hunted a herd before trying to kill the strongest dinos in it ive always gone for the weaker ones but co existing doesnt mean pachys carnos and stegos herd up together there is no reasonable answer for that which is why most of the ruled server dont allow it because its stupid

[normal shuttle]

mfw stealth exists, or playing strategically

and well yeah, unofficials exist for people who dont wanna do guerrilla warfare against those people

even though something like 2-3 dibbles can dunk on a mixpack so hard even if they have a stego

[indigo belfry]

Happens in the real world. Hippos, lions, giraffes, hazels have all been seen at the same ponds drinking at the same time and some get aggressive with others that are getting aggressive. Birds do it to. I have a owl that lives in the building I work in. It saw me getting attacked by several flocks of birds and it went and killed their chicks and brought me a few corpses, in return I’ve brought it a rabbit and a mouse a few times.

But like you said, unofficial exists with rules in place so play that?

And tbh it doesn’t sound like you do go for weaklings or stragglers

Sometimes that doesn’t work tho and that’s fine but it’s just a learning point to improve techniques and sharpen those fangs

[normal shuttle]

I feel like saying the two funny words even though it wouldn't help at all

[indigo belfry]

I’m trying other options first myself

Bored at work tho, I could use a funny at some point tho

[unreal river]

I personally just dont have as much fun as i used to in game and sure some of it is my fault im not a great pvper i used to be when i had the time to devote to it but its just not the same to me

[indigo belfry]

That’s totally fine to get burn out and to not be good at any specific thing.

[unreal river]

And it also might just be me getting burnt out of that style of game in general

I have a lot more fun in comp shooters now that i used to because im naturally good at aiming

[indigo belfry]

That’s more than ok, I get the same way with all of my games. Just set it down for a while and then come back to it.

Ima be blunt tough. Lashing out on it tho after some pointers get made is counter productive.

Sense this is slowly exiting feedback territory but I’ll cap it like this. I totally get the frustration with how some of it plays out. 1k hours is gonna burn you out tho so a break might do some good to get a clear mind. Then come back and try out some new techniques or find out some ways to refine others

[unreal river]

Every time i set it down i come back to something new i have to learn and just dont have the time or drive to do that

[indigo belfry]

100% valid. Unfortunately games that are in long term development like this one, star citizen and a few others are gonna have that side effect until they can/choose to get their game done. (And before they start doing extra content after 1.0) it’s the rough growing pain of all live service games.

[unreal river]

I loved star citizen until a wave of cheaters came in and ruined it

[pliant wadi]

yo how much does the carno weigh fg?

[icy lion]

1300kg

[indigo belfry]

@steady zinc it’s not just you, it’s really object dense and the times where I have tried to track. Once they enter forested areas it’s hard for me to keep following along. I’ve lost the trail on most things I’m after inside forests.

[steady zinc]

Maybe thats why i feel like theres not enough ai around.

[indigo belfry]

Yee. To be honest tho I already enjoy going through those biomes

Ope I saw that. Another goblin trying to scam lol

[steady zinc]

Played on a unofficial server with 2x ai lately and it feels a lot better. Maybe a bit too much, but it doesnt feel like a game of luck to find smth to eat

[indigo belfry]

I haven’t done any of those modifiers yet. But if 2x feels like to much maybe 1.5 and bigger spawn chance for lower number of players nearby would do it some good

Ngl I kinda feel like costal ai (mainly crabs) should have more spot across the beaches.

[untold geyser]

#general-feedback message
teno is more closely related to dryo than maia 😭

[untold geyser]

not my only gripe, imma list em actually

• Dryo and the pachycephalosaurids have no reason to be able to communicate
• Like I said, teno isn't even a hadrosaur, it's an iguanadontid, meaning if it even needed cross-species communication, it wouldn't be with the hadrosaurs.
• Allowing all thyreophorans to communicate with each other is kinda nuts, and ultimately completely unnecessary. Minmi and ankylosaurus I could get seeing as how they're in the same family, but even then, in what world does a semi-aquatic burrower need to communicate with a 10 tonne tank
• Why cheirus and the therizinosaurids? Actually just why??

[coarse spruce]

Pachy and homalocephale are the only marginocephalians right?

my bad, ceratopsians are in that group too

but regardless yeah they have incredibly little in common with dryo

[quick talon]

Why did my feedback get deleted?

There are aliens stealing the trees, is that not important?

[icy lion]

#moderation

[quick talon]

So visual bugs aren't bugs

My mistake original gangster sir ma'am

[icy lion]

What?

I told you to use #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[quick talon]

A

My left braincell had an aurehysm sorry

[orchid elk]

visual "bugs"

[quick talon]

I though I was posting in evrima bug reports XD

Never did a bug report only suggestions

[normal shuttle]

@rancid harness mod it into the game

I actually feel like suggesting a playable

A strain more precisely

[pliant wadi]

thank youuu

[lusty seal]

Trike doesn’t need a large variety of colors it just needs a good selection of dark colors. Herbivores look better homogenous together.

I think greys and greens and whites are best. Maybe some blue, red, some purple greys

[normal shuttle]

green too

[tame jetty]

@ivory olive I also think triek in legacy had like blues and stuff?
Idk why they take away so many colors! also maia suffer from looking horrible bland right now.. Hate it

[ivory olive]

Yeah it's hurts so much!!!!

Ineed red and blue on maia and Trike.

[tame jetty]

YES whats even going on :( unacceptable

[alpine goblet]

@icy lion sorry for mention you, but i would like to ask directly where can i ask for any potential questions regarding making client for The Isle, i would go in details for more understanding of my question.

Am not sure if you have ever heard about the client "FiveM" for GTA Platform.

My question was since they developed a client to do RP based on a Multiplayer game with gameplay system provided by creators and looking the gameplay of the isle and the future implements of human i though that this would be possible to do it here as well.

So again the following question is it possible to create a client and do whatever we wants? Or what?

[icy lion]

There's no modding support yet or any way to do something similar at the moment

[alpine goblet]

Not even by making a side client?

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

Now we're asking to NOT add dinos? How far we've come as a community

[normal shuttle]

Real lol

Also it’s just a hordetest man

Not like we’re gonna have trike dominating for 3-4 years until a big carnivore appears

It is obvious that rex is gonna come soon after trike

So it’s either gonna be a non issue or a very short lived one

On the note of adding stuff, I felt like proposing the addition of a first strain

Since they had a model in legacy that was never used

[eternal moss]

@gentle roost i think thats because of how many suggested areas the dino could be in.

[gentle roost]

yeah it's centering the diet icon in the middle of the two lines instead of keeping it top-aligned with the first line

[subtle swan]

Can't wait for servers that are 90% trike and 10% Cera.

[limber hull]

those are gonna be some well fed ceras lol

[slender depot]

You seem to overestimate ceras

Unless you’re referring to them just eating some already lying corpses ahah

[eager socket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1342348568559882300/triceratops-challenging-ezgif.com-added-text.gif

[white elm]

Insane

[barren crater]

I remember a time when herbis were rare

for years

raptors, carnos and deinos only back then

[white elm]

More herbis than carnis is good for the environment

[thick summit]

#general-feedback message w+shift