general-feedback-discussion

[subtle swan]

#general-feedback message scroll wheel exists.

[thick summit]

Look at the other image. It's not a NV thing

Ah! Thanks

[white elm]

#general-feedback message yes we know

[compact timber]

#general-feedback message
I think collapsing ragdolls are too funny LOL

[past crystal]

#general-feedback message the vast majority of this only applies to new players

bugs, sure, but everything else yea

[limber hull]

Or it’s sheer opinion/hearsay. most of the claims made against Dondi in that video were entirely unsubstantiated

[past crystal]

why is it always directly towards dondi LOL

[limber hull]

People dislike him

[subtle swan]

Yeah that video was ass.

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message so far ive heard that most things in this video just straight up arent true or have been addressed by the devs with them actively working on fixing them lol

and also just a POT glaze fest hidden beneath it all

[white elm]

[white elm]

"PoT is better because I don't have to struggle to survive" is the reason I see the vast majority of people use 😭

like cool, do your own thing, but don't trash the isle for not being the type of game you want it to be

[wooden agate]

he took 4 hours, skimmed reddit, said "hm yes. this is the true side of what happened!". i would absolutely not recommend this video lol @quasi comet

[timber axle]

I think you're missing the point of his video. That one a small part of the overall video.

[wooden agate]

the video as a whole deeply misunderstands the isle's goal as a game, and frankly comes across as something that just hasnt had very much research or thought put into it when it comes to what its actually trying to say

reading through the past few devblogs alone would have answered and alieviated like half the things he mentions

[timber axle]

Ehh I kinda disagree. I think his points regarding that the Isle does a terrible job at explaining to the player how to play the game a quite on point.

[wooden agate]

fixed in the UI update thats coming thats been shown off in the recent past devblogs

[timber axle]

Again one shouldn't need to read the dev blogs as a new people to understand how to play the game

[wooden agate]

atleast somewhat

[wooden agate]

no one is saying you should read them to understand how to play the game, but if youre complaining about things theyre actively working on ways to solve, you should definitely mention theyre actively working on ways to solve them

idk i just feel like for 'deep dive' videos like that, you NEED to do extensive research. and i think going through atleast the recent devblogs to see whats mentioned would be close to the bare minimum

i have alot to say on that video but meh, i think there are just better ways to explain whats wrong with the game (like MZ's, like nesting being useless, like the hacker issue, etc) that dont devolve into making the issues sound 10x worse than they do and like the developers are doing nothin to fix em if that makes sense

im ranting im going to go play rivals now and be la scarlet witch

[frank tapir]

nooo play cloak and dagger

[timber axle]

I mean the Isle has been in development since 2015 evrima since 2021.

Evrima doesn't explain to the player how to sniff or navigate around the menus

Legacy does that

It's those things evrima should have in day one of its launch.

Enjoy your rivals

[vivid mason]

PoT is cool but compared to TI it’s just.. Blegh

[woven bane]

my man is muted

[vivid mason]

Imagine trashing a game and spreading lies about it bc it’s not the type of game that you like, but promoting another game when its not really better in terms of gameplay bc it is the type of game you like. Crazy

[urban flax]

Banned for speaking the truth

[woven bane]

doubt

for years i’ve been waiting for this moment…

[urban flax]

I mean he probably said some banned word and got auto-modded
Happens a lot

[woven bane]

he just learned a new banned word

[white elm]

what HAPPENED to him 😭

[vivid mason]

He should tell us exactly what he said in here again after he gets unmuted with no shortcuts or abbreviations so we all know what it is and learn to avoid it in the future

[woven bane]

i’m praying he got perma muted

[faint tapir]

Allegedly Wavepool might have gotten muted for downvoting an agruably good feedback. I tried to pinpoint which exact one but there were too many examples to go through. Will take me years. 🤣 (allegedly)

[white elm]

jesus christ dude

[woven bane]

a joke

[latent olive]

bot got him

[night obsidian]

The only thing I care about is if dondi really defended a convicted pedophile. And kicked his mate out of the project just because of personal issues. That would be my only issue

[wooden agate]

1. no one was convicted, dondi simply waited for something tangible to provide proof before professionaly and personally cutting ties with the individual and 2) deathly wasnt kicked off because of personal issues, he genuinely was messing up the code. it was awful. dondi joked on stream about how if him and deathly werent friends he wouldve been fired years ago (around 2018)

theres a LONG history to the isle, and neither side is exactly perfect but incorrect things have spread like wildfire in the community and will spread even further thanks to the video

[indigo gulch]

It’s about time. It takes 5 years for a tutorial?

You could at least make small pop ups about the kind of food you eat….

[acoustic spruce]

They should add loading screens featuring their concept art

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message ewwwww

[woeful latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1339097089753481256/IMG_2627.gif

what happened to wavepoole😭😭😭

[woven bane]

i don’t main cerato

[woven bane]

he said the funny word

[woeful latch]

lmaoo

[woeful latch]

yeah it’s just a funny gif

[indigo gulch]

Maybe, but his new player points are pretty valid

[woeful latch]

i was a new player too and i didn’t even have any friends to teach me how to play or what to do. and yet somehow i don’t have any issues

[twilit snow]

That's the only good point he made

Which, the devs have already said they'd like to rectify

[indigo gulch]

Yeah and how many hours do you have?

[indigo gulch]

Again, took them….5 years?

Legacy has the popups. Just do those

[twilit snow]

Yes. Why focus on a tutorial that takes time to make and time to constantly update the more features/things are added or the more features get changed/updated

[indigo gulch]

I’m sorry, but you can AT LEAST to do the basics

[twilit snow]

They are doing the basics lol, yet zenny still complained about it

[indigo gulch]

oh? Which one?

I remember a lot of people drinking from south plains small lake below the waterfall because, by all definitions, that should be sweet water

[twilit snow]

Refer to the new UI video

But wait, "I shouldn't have to look through devblogs to see how the game works" maybe not to see how it works but perhaps to know what is upcoming before making a flame video

[indigo gulch]

?

Wdym with the last part

Also, for all you know that video was months in development and it just released as they made a change.

[twilit snow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvMRSrZXPKU

[woeful latch]

hmm i need to check my steam for that

[woeful latch]

they’re working on tutorials tho

[indigo gulch]

It’s. About. Time.

[twilit snow]

Exactly what it says?

[indigo gulch]

It’s a bit messy

Are you talking about his point or him making the video

Because it sounds like “I should not have to check devblogs to see how it works before I make a rage video”

And still, again, that’s you telling him his video is invalid. But his point still stands

[indigo gulch]

Also “I wonder why so many new players struggle with league of legends with its bad tutorial when I’m doing fine” after 1000 levels in the game energy no duh you’re doing fine NOW

[night obsidian]

I understand, then I remain neutral. As I don't know what to believe and what not. Thanks for clearing up some info

[twilit snow]

Both?

Except for the new player experience, all of his points are moot.

It's extremely obvious and clear that he doesn't view The Isle as a "hardcore survival game" and instead as a Deathmatch game where the only thing that matters is your next big battle every minute.

The end of the video also left a very bad taste in people's mouths, especially me.
"Don't believe everything the developers tell you. It could be bs" but immediately buys into whatever anti-dev post on reddit he can find without actually doing research.
"Don't believe what the lying devs tell you", when the dev he was defending did the same thing to another game prior and a similar thing to ANOTHER game as well, but that shouldn't matter.

[indigo gulch]

I genuinely got the opposite feeling but okay

The last part? Sure I can see that.

But the survival aspect?

[twilit snow]

"But Spiro encouraged player interaction and smart traversal" no it didn't.

Nobody actually used the map to traverse intelligently, and all they would do is huddle up in 1 area and only fight.

Him complaining about oasis being removed just showed that further.
Because all that area did was turn the game into a literal death match simulator.

Did they necessarily not have to completely nuke the area? No, not really.

But quite frankly, there were more people happy over its removal than not.

[indigo gulch]

(I’ll be back later, I got an appointment. Just in case you’re wondering why I’m not replying)

[twilit snow]

And again. There was some blatant misinfo in the video as well, that could have simply just been avoided had he actually done proper research.

Could he have made the video months prior? Perhaps, given that he did obviously make some edits to explain some other new things like PZ's.

But still, there were a lot of other areas in the video where just simple research immediately made some of his points moot.

Also, enjoy whatever appointment you have

[lament mango]

This is a good and proper discussion. Kudos to both of you!

[twilit snow]

💀 😭

Hey cheesy

[woeful latch]

the isle is legit better than ever, how do people make “the worst early access game” videos NOW?

that would make sense if they were talking about old evrima, but the new one is just so promising, a lot more optimized, a lot of stuff coming like really soon.

[woeful latch]

hello!

[thick summit]

Evrima has become really good

[woeful latch]

sometimes the amount of people crying on youtube makes me so sad.

like i saw bunch of “evrima is bad” videos and im yet to see a single one that actually makes sense it’s not just creating drama for drama

[thick summit]

And it's usually a skill issue

[lament mango]

Yeah I totally agree, Evrima is very promising! I main multiple animals and all are incredibly fun to play with.

The worst that is happening right now is:

• no fish ai
• dilo clones not working
• heavy rain sounds

But last time the ilse truly starts to feel like a healthy eco system

[woeful latch]

i think people just don’t realize what “early access” means or what development is, or how it works.

i was actually typing huge message, but decided not to send it💀

well it was about how cringe people on internet are

[urban flax]

People who say The Isle is terrible now clearly didn't play back when omni pounce crashed servers
Or when plants did not respawn AT ALL
Or when hackers could pick baby ceras, run at the speed of sound and oneshot deinos

[night obsidian]

I've been playing the isle since long before evrima was even talked about. I was there when we all first swapped to evrima with literally 4 playables to choose.
And you might no like it but I haven't played any other early access game that had so many problems like the isle. And I've played a LOT. However... I love the game. But acting like we didn't have the worst kind of problems is ignorant if you ask me. Yes from time to time the isle was the worst early access game I've ever played. The game now is much better, by far not the worst anymore. So many things have improved. But people like me that know what we've been through to get to this point don't forget. We had horrible times. Literally playing on 5 fps. Or crashing every 2 minutes. Waiting for updates up to half a year. Y'all might not remember but I do.
But again I don't hate the game. I love it to death.
I will do everything in my power to contribute to its development. Giving feedback and testing it etc. But forgetting or ignoring past problems and how bad it was will create new problems in the future. Let's learn from the past and not ignoring it just because it got better

[night obsidian]

Currently the game is on his way to be an actual good game for the first time. And yes the timing is bad to make a video and saying it's the worst early access game. But for someone that was not there before we had all the improvements, it might still be a bad early access game. All we can do is educate them and tell them how much work the devs put into the game and how much it has improved. All this negativity towards each other and all this flaming for personal opinions doesn't contribute ANYTHING to the development of the game or our lives. In the end we all have the same dream of a finished the isle. Everybody saying it's the worst game ever can just deinstall the game and move on with their lives. There is way to much anger and hatred towards each other just because someone made a video about his opinion on YouTube

[twilit snow]

We didn't even swap to Evrima with 4 Dino, half that, actually

[night obsidian]

From all what have been said. This is the only answer you could give ? Correcting a number that is not very important to the whole message. But yes you're right it was even less. However... it doesn't matter to what I've said.

In my memory it was hypsie carno teno and Utah. But you're right, back then we only had Utah and teno

[twilit snow]

Why should I say anything else when I agree with it lol

Just corrected the number

[night obsidian]

My apologies then

[wintry cipher]

@oblique fable the new UI includes new player information. The issue some run into with that particular video is, as you said, a lot is taken out of context or most of it is already in the works and thus it ends up only sounding impatient to those who are aware of what the devs are working on by reading devblogs on steam or watching chat in discord. Is there any other critiques you agree with that you might not be aware of are in the works? I might be able to refer you to stuff.

https://youtu.be/ZvMRSrZXPKU?si=6M_CWMLIK58WN5mM

[oblique fable]

Ty very much for sending me that, it really lifts my spritis on whats currently being worked on and etc, while this wasn't really specified within the video- I'd love to know if there were any plans or concepts introduces gameplay elements or actions to do while growing or already grown. Things we have currently like Nesting, and Sparring are really fun and really help the whole label the game gets of being an "AFK simulator", since players are able to do fun interactions with the world that aren't the average eating or walking- but I'm unsure if there was anything said regarding these types of gameplay elements.

I personally thought something like Territory, more sparring ideas for inter-species gameplay, and more would really help spice up some aspects of the game- but I feel that those ideas would definitely need refining or serious work invested to even be viable 😅

no matter what, I really do appreciate you going out of your way sending that to me!!!

[icy lion]

No mentions of territory, but the devs are looking into activities to do during gameplay. Patrol zones aren't just going to have food in them

[oblique fable]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-pratt-excited-look-happy-shocked-gif-8390765

[wintry cipher]

I was actually in a convo where kissen said that lemme check rq

[oblique fable]

I'd love to know whats in store cause that sounds really exciting!!

[wintry cipher]

#isle-discussion message

"Patrol for what" > so there is a purpose and were patrolling something. Not sure on exact details

You can always search from kissen and type in a keyword like patrol, etc, etc to see whats been discussed. She talks pretty frequently

I know nesting zones are soon to be added at some point and are in the works, tldr from what some mods have described it might be that you nest and some food spawns in as a little reward. Still WIP

[oblique fable]

I'll definitely look for something! But that really makes me happy to hear, its a very common problem people describe with the game (apart for balance things of course) but I love seeing the little notes and ideas, they're so awesome!

also, love the #Mama Theri ❤️
-# Theri is my fav animal of all time

[wintry cipher]

#isle-discussion message

This is also in regards to just one interaction such as knocking down trees.

Yeah the isle is how i learned theri existed and most of my 1.6k hours was on a mix of theri and omni lol. Currently play a lot of teno and nested in 7 kids last time

The game is just in a spot of a LOT of stuff is cooking slowly but it is finishing. Already the devs are trying to push out rex, trike, allo, austro, and kentro soon so this is going to be a big year for dinos let alone features like group spawn codes which is in QA rn

[oblique fable]

I can't wait for Spawn codes!! Its actually one of the features I'm super excited for funnily enough 😅

[wintry cipher]

Agreed. Its fun to teach new players so that will be a very useful tool

[upbeat yacht]

Was talking with friends. Got into the discussion of the rate in which playable are being released to the game.

What “actually” happened to the whole “one playable released a month” timeline?

Was this or was this not something the developers stated for Envirma. What happened?

[icy lion]

It was not

[wintry cipher]

One playable released per month is an actually insane thing to ask for considering the work it takes to make one so thats def not a thing yeah.

[upbeat yacht]

Was going to say- somebody in the discussion was adamant this was a thing that was stated.

I was like well jeez. If that’s the case we’re FAR away from that timeline now.

Don’t get me wrong the rate they are releasing playable is admittedly becoming laughable. But one a month would be some insane work.

[wintry cipher]

The reason the last couple playables (maia and diablo) likely took so long is because of sparring and the stance changing interactions. Otherwise we got a pretty decent amoumt of playables per year

Hell League of Legends doesnt release a champion every month to make a goofy comparison lol

[night obsidian]

I just love it tbh

[wintry cipher]

Very excited for this yeah. Hoping it gets added in the next few HTs

[upbeat yacht]

The playable they’re releasing are solid. I’m not a dibble or a mai player but as always, best models you’ll see in a Dino pvp (in my opinion, I’m an isle diehard all day)

But the lack of communication with the community + the pattern/order they’ve been releasing certain playables is where my only issues lie. Since the switchover to gateway I feel like at least 3 playables that were “super close” to completion have just been thrown on the back burner. And then boom. Mai.

Mais great. But they should have focused on something else and released Mai with Rex… I barely see Mai being used as with the current map & roster I don’t think many people see it as having a solid place right now
(Of course all my own opinion)

We def need Mai. But honestly speaking I don’t think we needed it yet.

[icy lion]

The other playables weren't thrown on the backburner, maia was completed faster because its mechanics were simpler in comparison

Rex and trike were on schedule to release before maia, but due to their complexity fell behind in comparison

[wintry cipher]

Maia is actually really good prey for omni, dilo, and even troodon, so it was perfectly fine to add. Everything gets worked on it was just finished faster yeah. Allo was causing crashes at one point that delayed its development a bit for example.

[upbeat yacht]

I understand this- and that’s exactly what I’m saying.
As a player- I would have rather waited for Mai and seen that time go into Rex and Trike.

[icy lion]

Development would have been made on it regardless. They no longer want to hold back content for it to release in a specific order or grouping of content

[wintry cipher]

Rex and Trike were probably not even in the rigging process yet though so those devs would not have had work

[upbeat yacht]

Do you know how many Dino’s they’re tackling currently?

I know Ovi was close (I thought) I definitely expected to see oviraptor before Mai or trike/rex

[icy lion]

Ovi was pushed back because they wanted to improve nesting before adding a dino that focused on other people nesting

And I recommend reading the devblogs to see their progress and what they're working on

[wintry cipher]

Ovi def needs nesting grounds in. Havent heard much on it though- that yeah

[upbeat yacht]

This explains more.

Back on spiro they seemed far more set on an “order” compared to now I feel like when I seen Mai was released (and even dibble) I was like oh. This was being worked on?? 🤣

[wintry cipher]

Currently rex, trike, allo, austro, and kentro are all stated as of last devblog to being prepped for debut. Barry is close behind

[upbeat yacht]

Agreed… nesting grounds and ovi are a MUCH needed addition.

[icy lion]

They decided that holding back content just so it could release in a certain order or batch felt bad both for players and the developers

[upbeat yacht]

I read all of them. But trying to match that up with their discord etc information is mixed at times. It’s hard to keep track of the timelines of things/development and I unfortunately am not one to jump into lives/streams to get all the inbetween details. So can get behind.

[upbeat yacht]

I’m not disagreeing. Just again stating going from the more set “timetable” to “you’re gonna get whatever whenever it’s done”

Is something I’m trying to catch up with as I have more time for the game & its development again.

[wintry cipher]

From what ive observed as a player, Its essentially a group of projects all being done at the same time, or simpler mechanics (leaving trails in grass if you walk over it) being proofed for testing to see if they want to add it.

Stuff gets put in as its finished. Right now they have 5-6-7 things at 90% and its just a waiting game

[upbeat yacht]

Is this legitimately a better approach for them in developing the game? Obviously player opinions vs the grand scheme of things are two very different things.

Is this method actually helping the game get to where the developers & players want it to, faster?

No judgement. Genuinely trying to understand

[icy lion]

Yup

Update pace has overall increased

Devs are able to work on more QOL and bugfixing content as well

[wintry cipher]

As someone with ADHD- switching focus a lot between two projects helps me avoid burnout and strangely get stuff done faster, likely because i get fresh eyes and can fix problems rather than getting stuck. Im not saying the devs have it but their workflow seems very similar to mine 😂

[upbeat yacht]

What about the environment and aspects like nesting, map improvements, elders, mutations, fixing hotspots etc?

Seems like an insane amount to tackle all at once.

[icy lion]

All being worked on, yea

We saw map changes on Don's stream alongside the R&D on the flattening foliage to help with tracking

[upbeat yacht]

I totally relate to this (and have ADHD) but I think that’s what makes me go woah.

[icy lion]

Nesting zones are also a consideration though we don't know very much about them atm

Elders are the next priority after rex and trike

[upbeat yacht]

Worked on. But released when?

That’s what I mean. Like damn. I think it’s intimidating to hear too knowing the past of the isle and its development before it switched over etc.

It’s clear from the dev blogs alone they’re working on an insane amount of things. But that compared to the actual release of these features is where there’s a disconnect on how things are going etc mentally.

Think it’s safe to say regardless we have years to go yet. Which is insane to imagine.

[icy lion]

All the things I mentioned are in active development and are near-future additions

The map changes are going to be in the next HT, alongside the spawn codes

Ptera's thermals could also make it into the next HT, or the one after that

[wintry cipher]

Oh i forgot about those lol

[upbeat yacht]

Again- had no idea that was evening coming or close to releasing

[wintry cipher]

I wonder if they could do "thermals" underwater to replicate river currents pushing you hmm

[upbeat yacht]

I’m learning my method of just waiting and seeing what comes when it comes and being grateful for that is the best method as a player in this game. Lmao

[upbeat yacht]

That would be an interesting topic.

[wintry cipher]

Theyre making a lot of the base template mechanics, so for example diablo sparring can get put into Trike. So i wouldnt be surprised. But yeah thats why the early part took so long. Things are objectively going a bit quicker. We only just got maia around christmas after all

[upbeat yacht]

Why are nesting zones a complicated aspect when they were in spiro already, out of curiosity?

Asking because you clearly keep up on all the ins and outs and probably have a tad more information than base players

[wintry cipher]

I think that one is because they were working on the shape of zones to make them not be circles(?) Which they touched on in the dev blog. They didnt say it was related to nesting but i can easilly see that impacting it

[upbeat yacht]

Mais release was quick in comparison and genuinely surprised me. I think I was just thrown off after again seeing “Ovi, Kentro, Austro, Allo, trike and Rex” have the focus

Then bam. Here’s Mai 🤣 🐄

[icy lion]

From what we've heard, nesting zones are not places on the map, they're like patrol zones for players who are nesting

[wintry cipher]

Less campable 🙏 i nest in very safe secretive places so im very happy for that

[icy lion]

Also yea, new tech means they can really customize the size and shapes of the zones

[upbeat yacht]

The base mechanics to help lay the building blocks in making other playables easier to approach makes sense. Backwards from what was initially discussed but definitely seems like it’s working far better for the developers & the progression of things.

[wintry cipher]

It is. We all much rather have mechanics in than not. Dryo and hypsi not having digging and climbing is a good example

[upbeat yacht]

Ahhhh gotcha. So entirely different approach to spiro.

Nice. I like it!

[icy lion]

I bet it'll definitely feel nicer yea

Nesting grounds on Spiro felt more like a death trap lol

[upbeat yacht]

Exactly. 100% agree

Wish the devs could have been more transparent about this earlier on and made things easier for themselves from the get go… it explains heavily why so many playables aren’t fleshed out properly.

Basically developers were bending to try and appease the players and now in gateway have decided f this lets do it our way.

Good on them if it works and long term gets the game to where originally promised.

[upbeat yacht]

1 billion percent. I do however miss having those open grounds for nesting. I know they never got ysed so we’re essentially useless but I’m having a hard time letting go of the idea that one day as a herb I might roll upto a dirt nesting ground covered in nests with eggos everywhere 🥹🤣

[icy lion]

Like those gorgeous concept arts we got ages ago

[upbeat yacht]

YES

[icy lion]

Sucks it didn't work out well but players will be players ig lol

[wintry cipher]

I think its def possible we will get that eventually. Gateway isnt going to be the only map after all ^^

[icy lion]

Anyway I gtg 🫡 see you guys around

[wintry cipher]

Cya!

[upbeat yacht]

Thanks for letting me pick your brain!

[upbeat yacht]

I really hope so. I mean… it’s scientifically accurate after all. But I understand how that’s difficult to replicate in a video game.

I wonder if there would be a way for them to create a “zone” around nesting grounds (seperate grounds for carni vs herb) that actively nerf the opposing class when they try and enter

Suppose we’re seeing the results of no server rules and its complications 😆

[wintry cipher]

Ehhh. Id rather not have enforced random mechanics. Nesting is a very good way to show the skill of a player as well through their choice of location and how many kids they can keep alive and healthy, so i dont really see hand holding mechanics like nerfed damage as a good idea. More likely Spiro, if released in full, would have a much higher player pop thwn Gateway and youd see proper herds using nesting grounds and so youd be defended that way. But thats my personal take on it.

[upbeat yacht]

Should elaborate by nerf I mean heavily penalize their stats/damage. Not death 🤣

[wintry cipher]

And then if your not in a big herd you just nest somewhere safer than a big open dustpan

[upbeat yacht]

That’s very very true actually. I’m probably digging at deeper mechanics when the reality is as you say it’s a lot more surface.

In reality if they simply added more areas with food/water and less just FOLIAGE VOMIT

For players to pick/utilize as they wish that would be good enough.

And of course server numbers need to go up desperately.

[upbeat yacht]

Touchè

[wintry cipher]

Yep! I know they are apparently adding more servers now (Punch said something yesterday) but we also just dont know anything about these nesting zones in detail so im going to be very impatiently waiting on that 😂

Most of my gameplay preferrably is nesting and migrating with kids

[upbeat yacht]

You and I both 🤣 Nesting/the whole “full circle” of life things I my favourite aspect of this game. Cause the reality is when the fighting and growing is done that’s where it’s lacking.

I think I’m just getting impatient for them to make nesting more desirable all around again. That’s the only thing legacy was doing a aight job with over Envirma.

I want more nesters!!! Nobody wants eggs 🤣

[wintry cipher]

Im honestly kinda puzzled why nesting is so rare now compared to legacy. Mutations didnt exist in legacy. Skin mixing also didnt exist i think(?)

I also got 7 kids quite fast so players clearly want eggs

[upbeat yacht]

Same. It’s full circle for me. Especially now that nested “actually” have an upper hand/benefit.
I can’t wait to see it become more and more.

Nesting of course is pretty just optional currently, as opposed to actually benefiting anyone right? So in that aspect I can’t blame people.

[upbeat yacht]

I think because certain playables were majorly only available through nesting.

[wintry cipher]

Thats true

[upbeat yacht]

I hate to say it. But even though we’re on the right track. 3 extra mutations with 5-10% increase on different stats isn’t enough for people….

[wintry cipher]

Pffft they didnt get anything before. And if they added generations theyd have to start somewhere

Guess thats just one of lifes mysteries

Currently mutations act as if you have everything maxed out. Once elders are in and mutations are altered youll start at like 1-2% not 15% on some stats and have to live, become elder, and die to increase the mutations

[faint folio]

It's a combination of not being able to pick spawns, the progression mechanic, and not needing a male to nest (less sure about this one) in legacy.

[wintry cipher]

You did need a male in legacy i think

[thick summit]

no

[wintry cipher]

And im not sure how not picking spawns applies to nesting?

[thick summit]

you didn't

[wintry cipher]

Ahhh that would do it then

[faint folio]

If you want spawn with your friends in legacy and not run across the whole map, taking eggs from the same nest was the way to go. Same if you wanted to play spoon or late progression dinos without needing to unlock everything else first

[wintry cipher]

Group spawn codes will be added soon so that should hopefully fix that, but that explains a bit for nesting.

[upbeat yacht]

Exactly. But until all this is added no ones gonna wanna nest.

The reality is more players in the game are into it for fighting than everything else. So until they start actually locking perks behind nesting (special skins, visual mutations, actual mutations etc) no ones gonna nest

Even like that old tidbit about if you spawn in you have a trackers human can see if you’re nested in you dont etc. that’s the stuff I personally love. And stuff that’s gonna have to get implemented before people think it’s worth it.

[wintry cipher]

True. Likely once they also start adding more things to do it will feel more like a survival game

[upbeat yacht]

Yes they did make a good point,

Spawns right now are making everything harder

Friend of mine and me wanted to nest deinos but just trying to get the same spawn as them and travelling where we couldn’t on land.. as a deino… like damn.

[twilit snow]

I'd wanna suggest bringing back the old Phase 2 / Phase 3 plan but I doubt it's gonna happen

[upbeat yacht]

This DEF contributes…. Let’s be real most dudes wanna fight… most gals wanna nest and protect their kids 🤣

Was better when gal Dino’s didn’t have to rely on the males slim contribution. Bahaha

[upbeat yacht]

100%… and things will presumably just balance more and more and more.

Back to earlier. It really is a waiting game. And the isle is so far away from what was promised. It’s insane to imagine when it actually gets there

[faint folio]

A lot of people don't play the same dinosaur gender as they are irl. A lot of players enjoy the extra colors with the male pattern, and likewise I know people who play the female dinos because it's easier to make night camo skins on the female patterns

[wintry cipher]

LMAO this tho xD

[upbeat yacht]

100%
I’m not saying it’s the only factor. But the reality is male is as you’ve just stated the way to go for many. There isn’t a huge perk to being female in this dam game unless you want to nest… that’s just a fact. What else do you get? Lol
Better camo? Nah. Here for a good time not a long time.

[wintry cipher]

Honestly some really good suggestions to make would be along the line of what you want to do in game as a dino. If this was a singleplayer game, what would entertain you?

[upbeat yacht]

1000%

Best question for each player to ask themselves actually. Helps really get to the root of what you feel is lacking

[upbeat yacht]

More than likely not… end up the day it’s upto the developers. Can change at any minute as we’ve learned prior with old developers & the old rig.

[faint folio]

Honestly I personally don't care about night camo, but I know a group of very pvp focused guys who like playing female dinos because they can optimize the skin to blend into the background with night vision active. I'm not saying most players think like that, but at least some do.

I think the real reason nesting is less common is simply that you need to find 2 people who both want to nest, who are also on opposite gender dinos. That's a whole lot harder than parthenogenesis whenever you feel like guarding some babies

[wintry cipher]

Exploration is a big one. Adding a lorebook or encyclopedia that fills out as you interact with stuff so you can read about it and/or see popups on the loading screens would be cool. Likewise, ive seen suggestions about adding an in game map that fills out over time as you travel could be added as a tab to the menu. Humans instead might need to carry a map or find pieces of a map to make the gameplay a bit different

Idk if you play risk of rain but thats what i mean for an encyclopedia- the lore tab

[faint folio]

I'd love that. I'd also suggest steam achievements and after death stats page. Stuff like time alive, dinos killed, babies raised, most common diet, longest fight, etc. Achievement collectors are a pretty common player group to cater towards, and the after death screen could target players who want to mind/max specific goals

[upbeat yacht]

This is a huge thing. I play planet zoo heavily and there’s an across the board stats page for each species of animal and what “your” best was compared to the best world wide etc.
People love it. And it’s so simple.

[upbeat yacht]

This is something I would love. And I think as humans are headed especially is going to be something they’ll have to lean towards more.

[wintry cipher]

Achievements will likely be added after the game leaves early dev i think(?) But def a good one too!

[upbeat yacht]

True! I always forget this game is still in it

[wintry cipher]

It is easy to forget sometimes lol

[faint folio]

Another thing is crafting/base building, which is obviously easier to do for humans, but you could implement some level of this for burrowing dinos and hypsi (tree-nests) as well. More generally, I'd say building systems fall into creativity play and problem solving. This is something that especially herbivores lack, as their gameplay is largely: travel to food. Hold E.

[upbeat yacht]

What about the relationship between dinosaurs and humans? I’ve barely thought about it because it’s so far away

But in game what do you guys genuinely think you’d like to see there? Both negative and positive

[wintry cipher]

Thats prob why burrowing is taking so long ngl

I know they were looking at knocking trees down. And i know i suggested territory being tied in with altering the landscape a bit. For example knocking down trees making mudpits in predesignated spots, etc

[faint folio]

I wonder if there is a way to implement herbivore food gathering into a system that actually challenges player's creativity and problem solving skills, and makes gameplay less boring and repetitive. This could be worked for carnivores too, but I see less of a need because they frankly get a lot of that just trying to find and hunt other dinos

[upbeat yacht]

Problem solving is the perfect way to describe this and soooooo needed and true. It is dumb how ape$@$) I go for simply collecting sticks for nests.

I literally “feel” like a hormonal nesting dinosaur just like find the stick get the stick

I know Dryo being able to burrow alone will make that dinosaur probably one of my mains in comparison to I’ve never touched it in Envirma

[wintry cipher]

Territory likely wont be a thing though, as i expect the devs want players to move around

Ik they looked favorably on food caching like a fox burying meat for later

Grooming other dinos of the same species could be cool as a way to boost health regen maybe while relaxed

[upbeat yacht]

It makes me think of a good point to that you’ve kinda touched on of basically in this huge map with all these threats and endless areas to traverse and travel through. Temporally being able to carve out your own singular “place in the world” temporarily. I do think that should be left to nesters and small Dino’s like Hypsi and dryo who have very little role out in the big open world like a steggo or Cera ofc.

[wintry cipher]

Cleans up cuts and wounds

[wintry cipher]

This too. Some dinos just dont migrate well like hypsi

[upbeat yacht]

I love this and all mentioned.

But honestly… can you guys imagine how game breaking it would be with the current state of the isle? Even the idea of humans base building honestly makes me wanna cry in regards to how that would affect the game running

[wintry cipher]

Yep.... though for humans its more base repairing thankfully

They get predesignated areas in game they can secure and maintain

[upbeat yacht]

I do love good gathering. Especially as Hypsi. Collecting mangoes for my nest etc. so this is something I’d love to see. But again maybe just for smaller species and nesters.

We don’t need Steggos hoarding piles of pumpkins or Ceras hound packing piles of meat and bodies somewhere

[upbeat yacht]

Stop

[wintry cipher]

Honestly it would be good if only certain dinos could just because it makes the gameplay diff

I am a graphic designer its my job to generate ideas lol

[wintry cipher]

You cant tell me youd not scream of cute if a teno cleans mud off her calf or a bull para cleans up a gouge on the side of a does flank lol

:D

[upbeat yacht]

100%
I’m okay with certain features being tied to certain playables… it’s obv clear enough all the Dino’s have enough going for them to make them popular. But Hypsi, dryo, beip?…. See the pattern? Not many play them because there’s no place for them in such a big threatening world…. Letting those guys create a place for themselves would be a good move.

And more so makes sense because when we get to okay how would this affect the lag? It’s smaller species.

To a Hypsi 12 mangos in a burrow/nest is living LARGE but from a large onlooking dino it’s a chicken with a handful of tiny oranges yknow 🤣
So I can’t imagine it would effect the games actual ping etc very much either

[faint folio]

I don't see grooming being that big of a deal as a mechanic because honestly I think it would be another "hold E" action and not something that genuinely engages the player

It would be cool if they could do something like that more in depth though

[upbeat yacht]

I would collectively lose my s&$) if as a Tenno mama I could clean of my calf.

This is the small stuff they’re missing 🥹 it’s such stupid small details that really add to a game and THIS is the perfect example of it

[wintry cipher]

Oh yeah no thats on the same level as scratching trees and rocks to sharpen claws or horns. Collectively though thry add a lot. Individually not so much

Herbivore gameplay and some carnivore gameplay is very social focused tho, and it would help calm people down and be mildly useful. Adding stuff that engages with the social part of the game would be neat

[upbeat yacht]

The reality is between the fighting surviving etc in those moments when your belly is full and you’re safe? It’s a role playing game. ESP as a herb player.

Herd dynamics and how dinosaurs interact with eachother is arguably one of the biggest things for these games. Tiny things that add to that does more than we realize

[wintry cipher]

Thry did add group ranks recently too ngl

[faint folio]

It doesn't need to be HOARDING for the larger dinos. Just more mental challenge to find/acquire food. Idk if that could be done by giving dinosaurs unique ways to gather (for example, maybe only certain dinos can dig up roots or knock down fruits from huge trees), or maybe even just a system where you need to do a set of tasks in a certain order to gain access to food. Like herbivores should be mentally challenged for food just like carnivores (beyond just swiffering up everything because your food drains too fast to do anything other than eat 24/7)

[upbeat yacht]

If food was all over the place for herbs I’d agree with this

I think they’ve already done enough for right now in that area by making herbs have to “travel” for food

[faint folio]

I agree, and I'd love a much more fleshed out herd/pack system to compliment that, but grooming by itself i don't think adds much. How about herd hierarchies where players can challenge for leader? Or systems where babies can "learn" skills by practicing with their parents?

[wintry cipher]

Actually, heres something to consider because ik this was touched on years ago and im not sure if they still intend to have it, but being the leader of a group was said to be a big deal. So why would players fight over that i wonder

[wintry cipher]

Technically for the latter i think that comes in the form of if you inherit a mutation like say, salt water, its locked at first- so you have to earn it!

[upbeat yacht]

Carnis have to be strategic and hunt. Herbs have to constantly travel for new food sources (hence why they travel in herds, safety in numbers to travel, that’s nature)

The reality is “problem solving” only comes in for species that live in a specific area and are able to then get familiar with that area and its environment and what it has to offer. So again smaller species that don’t migrate well would be the candidate for this.

Bigger herbs problem solving as far as food goes really… has already been implemented.

plan accordingly and memorize routes and vital resources like water so you keep you and your herd alive as you travel to new grounds

[upbeat yacht]

I am…. Desperate. For them to implement fighting between species

[wintry cipher]

Could have it where being the leader of a group buffs your dino based on how big the group is, but if you get challenged for leader the buffs dont apply to the fight- the buffs just apply to make you stronger and survive better against non same species. So for example two teno males might fight over a herd of females or an outsider male might try to steal females to buff himself

[upbeat yacht]

I honestly believe if they added more “species politics” it would cut back unnecessary aggression through the game overall.

I’d LOVE to see an older male elder go at it with a younger male because he wants the top spot in his pack/herd for the perks etc. But vice versa if he wins? It’s his job to protect the group. Doesn’t do a good job? Females push him out. As much as I hate to make it about gender that’s where nature leads us eventually. But even females spiffing for the highest spot in the group with matri females etc.

[wintry cipher]

Exactly or thry just leave the group

[upbeat yacht]

Yes yes yes

[wintry cipher]

Could probably have diff species group politics depending on the dino

For example rexes will likely only pair so that wont apply. It would mostly be for smaller species

[upbeat yacht]

Exactly! They get to choose how far they take it. Once one starts a fight whoever gets to certain health next automatically becomes group leader… when that happens will the previous leader leave and lick his wounds? Or try and take him out to the death.

THATS the stuff I love

[wintry cipher]

Mhm

Hell you could do something entirely unique for para

[upbeat yacht]

100%. Pairs like Deinos/rexes is interesting too and how it could be done for them

[wintry cipher]

Instead of fighting they literally "rap battle" and whoever matches with the popups the most wins (ala Helldivers keypad game for diff notes?)

[upbeat yacht]

Bahahahaha oh my gosh

Something interesting too the actual relationship in finding a mate and going back to earlier

Nesting areas like in spiro understandably not a vibe.

But what about small tiny zones (like nesting grounds or smaller) kinda away from all the hotspots where carnis could travel to to pair up?

Wouldn’t have to really change the environment in them or anything. Just give players a direction for finding a mate of the opposite sex that doesn’t pull you from the game (like hopping into discord to ask)

Could smell the icon on game similar to sanctuary’s for babies. Only 2-3 in the map. But at least could be a general knowledge direction for people to go when looking for a mate. Especially Dino’s that don’t travel in large herds/packs or group up as much

[wintry cipher]

Might be a good idea though it would also likely be camped once players learn what locations attract players on their food lists

[upbeat yacht]

Maybe bringing back my idea of nerfing stats in a way that may actually work? Cause especially for canni species like deino or cera which I understand even in the wild any dino was taking a risk approaching another… but they also had pheromones. And many other things to indicate where a mate might be available and where etc etc. So kinda a “white flag” area. Maybe there’s only per species? So nun of them are the same and a Carno doesn’t roll up to a Stego catfish date 🤣

The zones would have to be tiny tiny. But an idea!

[wintry cipher]

Def an idea. Actually a quick fix for that would just be to make thoze zones move and change just like migrations

[upbeat yacht]

Boom. There you go

[upbeat yacht]

Well all this talk about nesting has made me want to nest some littles. So I’m gonna go hop on and see if anyone feels the same 🤣

Thanks for chatting and brainstorming Keit! 🙌🏼

[wintry cipher]

Np! Have fun

[thick summit]

I mean territorial species could work

[wintry cipher]

It def could. Im all for territories tbh, but from what im aware of the devs wont be adding it. That could always change but at least for now i dont think its in the works

[icy lion]

@rare folio Isn't that what diets and migrations do? What would you suggest to be changed?

[rare folio]

the mutations try to motivate in that direction yes, but its still the most effective way to grow is to afk and eat your npc nuggets

which i think isnt particularly fun

when evrima first launched i played it and there was only npcs for croc so you were forced to engage into pvp to get food

now u can just hunt npcs and avoid players

and isnt that the whole point of this game to engage with other players

[rare folio]

i think npcs are good but they should be rare

[icy lion]

Yea ai spawn in huge clusters, it takes away from the experience

[eternal moss]

@rare folio so are you saying make the isle evrima PoT? that aint happening bud.

[safe bear]

@glad sierra idk someone prolly told u already but scrolling with the mouse scroll wheel will move the camera closer to the dinos head basically making the effect you want.

[strange wave]

@brittle kiln im gonna be completely 100% fr fr with you, each dinosaur already has more than enough animations to warrant variants for eating, sniffing, and drinking

[icy lion]

@blissful mica Your earlier post was deleted because bugs can be reported in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[white elm]

#general-feedback message it can eat fish but not crabs for some wacky reason

[blissful mica]

it weas not a buig report, they are KNOWN bugs... It was feedback about hoow they need to be adressed and bea priority. AS well as pointing out that the new game experience is very rough. It was NOT deleted because it was a " bug report" That is just smokescreen to have a reason to delete it.

[iron wind]

https://youtube.com/shorts/OOonXFyMhQg?si=woCPKcKuMydOXr8P

ngl I really hope the T-Rex sounds like this when it's added

it would be accurate

[thick summit]

Those sounds are modern day animal sounds slowed down and edited

Aka speculation

[iron wind]

same as any other t rex sounds, so either way it would be speculation

but the JP sounds don't really make sense at all realistically

It would sound like a massive croc/bird of some sort, not lions and other mammals'

also they have padded feet so you couldn't really hear them walking towards you.

[thick summit]

Indeed

But I wouldn't call those sounds accurate

They're realistic but not accurate

[iron wind]

what would be accurate in your mind?

[thick summit]

If we actually found evidence

We know what para sounds like

[bronze niche]

sounds exactly what we wouldve expected it to sound like too

[iron wind]

how do we have evidence? legit curious how we can find out what sounds an animal that we never heard could sound

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message i spent an hour of life watching this video and it’s so bad.

i can’t even explain how much misinfo, lie or just made up stuff i’ve heard, insane how people actually believe him or anything he says in that video.

it’s either a rage bait or the guy is just really really silly, like special needs patient silly

it’s just an hour of completely outdated information or something completely subjective, something irrelevant.

even the accusations are so meh, i don’t care if it’s truth or not, if you’re saying stuff like this you should AT LEAST give use the proper proof. (trust me bro doesn’t count)

and the funniest thing that made me giggle is him using “people on reddit talk about it” argument LMAOOOOOO. that actually killed me.

[white elm]

The zenny video and its consequences have been profound

its insufferable at this point

[woeful latch]

and the funniest part is he spent about 50 minutes talking about how good evrima truly is to just switch to some crazy schizo mode at the end of the video.

and by making that video he actually made the isle more popular, which is also funny

the thing that annoyed me the most is the amount of misinfo and outdated stuff about the game that was in the video, it’s just insane amount

and people actually believe that

i can name like 2-3 good points he made in that video, the rest is just awful stinky peace of trash

which is so far away from the truth

this community really needs to touch some grass sometimes

[limber hull]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-gif-21646252

your prayers fall on deaf ears

[white elm]

HE CAME BACK

[woeful latch]

THE SECOND COMING OF WAVEPOOLE

[white elm]

THE MOST REASONABLE FEEDBACK DISCUSSION USER

[woven bane]

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

[oblique fable]

I said it earlier within that post there that, yeah many points he gave seemed to be taken out of context, or overly dramatized for comedic affect (things like Night Vision, Migrations, Map readjustments and etc)- its just how it'd be, but I think that shouldn't give away the points he did make that were actually valid and is an actual thing that could/should be solved

my biggest hope is that we don't toss aside actual criticism or at least good points being made just because they say some not so great ideas/points or go on a rant about some feature that's actively trying to be fixed- It'd be quite silly in general just to ignore these points, and not actually want or understand what people don't like, cause it just perpetuates the entire idea of really hostile area

I also had something I realized I should've said earlier but kind of forgot of- definitely think that some form of news or little area for a "change log" within the start screen (or even a reference/link to look into the Dev Blogs) would really help alot of people, since I definitely agree that from an outside view, many "upcoming features" that we know of and that are currently being worked on, many people just don't know about

[glad sierra]

i didn't know that (dam noobs 🤣 ) thanks that helps a lot 🔥

[north quiver]

@versed tundra tapping alt before hitting enter fixes it. do it every time you tab back into the game

[white elm]

#general-feedback message patrol zones are terrible because they make migration zones entirely obselete

"spread around the map as they pleased" = go to South plains or highlands and get diet food because oops, food moves with you now

Being forced to go to a specific spot isn't fun. I agree. That's why patrol zones should be removed, because again, herbis just go to the hotspots

[north quiver]

if players want to stick around hotspots, they’ll graze. if you want people to go to migration zones, incentives are better

[white elm]

The incentive being diet food for fast growth?

[north quiver]

more diet to food ratio, growth boosts for growing dinos, far more large food options than what patrols have, more ai spawns (which bring carnivores, which will also bring herbis wanting action)

oh and plants giving far more food than patrol zone plants. I thought I remember dondi alluding to that a long while ago (unless I took something he said wrong)? but it never happened

[white elm]

The simpler solution is to just remove patrol zones

[north quiver]

the simpler solution is boring and unfun

ngl

[faint tapir]

Patrol Zones, literally and without exaggeration, are the sole reason for about 15 people i know to return to playing Herbivores on Survival.

[white elm]

By removing or heavily reducing AI spawns, and removing patrol zones, carnis and herbis will actually have a reason to interact with each other

[north quiver]

they interact all the time wym. officials are pits of despair and fighting

and it’s fun lol

[faint tapir]

correct

[north quiver]

definitely. I play officials expecting misery and torture and that’s what I get. dibbles slaughtering stegos, cera megapacks, carno megapacks, omni megapacks, herbivore civil wars, herrera on herrera violence, tenonto on tenonto homicide

there’s an abundance of food but I don’t see the majority of people spending an hour in queue just to chill and sit around 2 calling everyone lol

[woeful latch]

herbivore civil wars LMAOOOOO

help.

[north quiver]

I have some cinematic pictures of one if you’d like some LOL

[woeful latch]

yeah sure ahaha

[faint tapir]

it should be. Herbi food should be just enough but not too much. Let the gameloop create territorial fights if food runs low. Thats indeed where the fun is 🙂

[desert arch]

Theres this funny thing called grazing, which allows herbivores to never worry about food. 😭

[woven bane]

balanced

[woeful latch]

grazing for herbivores is the same as ai for carnivores

sometimes the plants just don’t spawn and grazing could help, it’s really not the mechanic you should worry about

i’m would rather have herbivores easier time surviving rather than dying because the bush didn’t respawn

also herbivores not starving is actually very good for the gameplay, more grown dinos, more food for the carnivores and more things to hunt/ to interact with

people really see just one side of grazing

[desert arch]

I get that, but it allows for some insane megapacking. Ive been playing some maia recently and 2 days ago I saw a gigantic herd of at least 10 fully grown dibbles, 2 tenos and maia just chilling at sp

And theres absolutely no way the fruit bushes alone couldve sustained them all

[white elm]

God I want herbis actually funnelled into migration zones

But with patrols that just doesn't happen

[woeful latch]

i think we should balance that some other way instead of nerfing the grazing, as far as i know they’re working on some kind of anti mixpack/overpack mechanic

[desert arch]

I actually posted a grazing rework a while ago that Im proud of

[woeful latch]

but tbf we got the same problem with the carnivores, the current amount of ai makes it so carnivores can sustain truly giant groups with no problems

[desert arch]

Even got approoved by some of the biggest herbi fans on here

[woeful latch]

show me👹

[woeful latch]

and adding dino ai won’t fix that at all, with dino ai it will be even easier to sustain the large groups of carnivores

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message 🔥

[woeful latch]

so idk really, at least most herbivores are slow and huge dibble pack can’t really hurt you if you just keep your distance.

the dilo mega packs on the other hand…

[woeful latch]

oh i did downvote that ahah, now i need to read it to understand why

tbf i really expect them to change the modifiers diet gives and maybe that’s the solution.

grazing doesn’t give you any nutrients and if they buff the diet system we could have a situation where herbivores won’t overpack, because not having a good diet will make them a lot weaker

also, the elder system, i’m 100% sure you will need perfect diet to reach prime elder and that alone will stop majority of the players from overpacking

because they will need those nutrients to reach prime elder

[woven bane]

with this new diet system, there isn’t a severe penalty for grazing. no more debuffs

[desert arch]

Um actually, you cant nest ☝️ 🤓

[woeful latch]

yeah, that’s why debuffs needs to be added back

[desert arch]

Insane debuff I know

[woeful latch]

imo there should be a giant gap between an animal with perfect diet and the one that got no nutrients

i think that’s the more clever way to force people to stop overpacking, instead of nerfing the grazing

[woven bane]

eh grazing is kinda op

[woeful latch]

also the carnivores overpacking problem will stay and idk how fix that.

less ai is meh, more ai is op, there’s really nothing in between

[woeful latch]

yeah, but we can nerf it without actually nerfing it directly

[desert arch]

Once bigger carnivores come in I bet they vacuum up the ai, so smaller ones get less, thus less megapacks

A carno gets 2 ticks of food from a deer, an allo for example probably wont even get 1

[thick summit]

I doubt rex can survive on boars

[woeful latch]

they’re adding dino ai, that will help rex to survive

[thick summit]

Yeah true

But dinosaur ai can fight back

[woeful latch]

fight rex?

[desert arch]

More like run

[thick summit]

I mean a trike ai probably can

A teno ai is probably gonna outrun rex

[desert arch]

The carno Ai amarok was working on looked promising tbh

[thick summit]

Yeah

[woeful latch]

it was better than 90% of carno players lmao

[thick summit]

It'd be cool if the cera ai is passive unless you've a body

[woeful latch]

i’m actually surprised how good and promising ai is on the streams

[thick summit]

I'm glad I'm in those 10%

[woeful latch]

idk how it’s gonna be in game, but on stream it looks decent

[desert arch]

Imagine if Amarok codes in my drift cancel charge tech

The undodgeable carno ai

[woeful latch]

lmaoo, well on stream the carno didn’t charge at all, it was just biting, but i hope they will teach it to drift and charge

also the teno was surprisingly good lol

[desert arch]

Wait nvm wrong link mb

[woeful latch]

it says unknown

lol

[desert arch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1330497702223544382/1335715146328178758/The_Isle_2025.02.02_-_22.51.13.12.DVR_-22_Trim.mp4?ex=67b0566b&is=67af04eb&hm=2165c203e7787407b7fa3cfa5a3162f8a0b1d0b7900a49638e58df1de92014d8& this, but carno ai 🥹

Im the carno B)

[woeful latch]

#balance-feedback-discussion message btw lol, this is me writing about that omni feedback

i spent like 15 minutes and then i just deleted everything because discord didn’t let me type more words

[woeful latch]

michael jackson carno

bottom text

[untold geyser]

I would've reported you for this 🙏

[desert arch]

😭

This is like the dibble sparring bug, Im moving so fast the server cant keep track of where I actually am lmao

[onyx bone]

yo guys, im getting stuck on a blue loading screen when i start the game, bin playing this game for few years, never had this, checkd files, everything is fine, dnk what to do with this... any tips??

i reinstaled the game as well, first the regular legacy, after i got my mods (evrima) on... before i had issues with game crashing on start, and there was alweys an error with 1 file missing in game files, i knew how to fix it, but this time, im like forever stuck on loading screen, and it shows that everything is fine with my game files...

i hope someone knows this issue 🤞

[bleak agate]

Enjoy freedom

Even worse… mixpackers…

[turbid trellis]

What a scummy little rat

[echo epoch]

I would like to know why people think the map is not too big

because imo the player density is too low and it takes ages to travel where you want to go

and im curious what other peoples point of view is on this

[vital laurel]

@marble oxide this isnt ark

[white elm]

• roster's locked in

[primal spear]

please developers you need to fix the ambient audio, this game loses a lot without sound...

[eternal moss]

@vital laurel wouldn't that just make growing even harder than it already is? A good diet is really hard to get atm.

[vital laurel]

"as adults having low/no diets should have some kind of punishment"

[eternal moss]

that would make the game overall harder

i dont like the idea tbh

[vital laurel]

for herbis 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 , that have the easiet gameplay ever, hide in your PZ forever or chill with a mega herd and graze to never be bother by anyone lmao

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message i love the idea, great way to nerf grazing as well

[vital laurel]

thanks

maybe like "grass sickness" or something if you eat from a over eaten part of grass, that will have a bad particle scent rising from it or smt as well or instead

[woeful latch]

i mean, i don’t want grazing to be nerfed directly, that’s a bad idea.

but making it so the diets are more important for your dino will stop players from creating giant herds, since they all just won’t have enough nutrients to get the good diet, which means they will be a lot weaker

and no one wants to be weak

[eternal moss]

yeah but what about carnivores

[woeful latch]

carnivores got that same issue, a lot of ai around = carnivores overpacking

[vital laurel]

this was specifed for herbis, but also carnis should also feel a need to keep diets good, that is one of the parts of the game that should be thougher

[woeful latch]

very unpopular solution to that could be removal of ai from larger carnivores diet

so they can still eat it to get food, but not the diets

[vital laurel]

dynamic diet that changes with growth when bruh

[woeful latch]

hm

[eternal moss]

if im not mistaken, dont you already get a debuff tho for being temp infirtile?

[woeful latch]

maybe when they add rats and insects for the small carnivores

or never

[vital laurel]

and how many players nest, also thats in but ppl do it already so its obviously not enough

[eternal moss]

huh?

[vital laurel]

its not a good debuff as almost no one nests already, a bad example: you don't have candles to light at home, unless your one of the few who lights candles often this wont affect you outside of very few instances and you won't care. Thus peopel keep doing it and it should be discourage in more ways

[white elm]

or just reduce ai spawns by a lot

[safe bear]

lol. good, it can be annoying but helpful sometimes.

[woeful latch]

i don’t like that.

making ai not giving any diets will fix 2 issues at the same time.

carnivores won’t starve, because there will always be plenty of ai.

they won’t be able to overpack, because they won’t be able to gain diets effectively, which means they will have “poor diet” debuff

[white elm]

but why shouldn't carnis starve

[woeful latch]

because having debuffs is already a punishment

also depends what kind of carnivore, we don’t even have a single mid tier carnivore in the game

[vital laurel]

why have starvation in the first place...

a certain % of players should starve out

[white elm]

not having debuffs and having low spawns is more ideal

carnis will starve more and finding a pig will be a reward

idk I don't like how ai... just don't do anything

[woeful latch]

absolutely not, the game before ai patch was starving simulator

[white elm]

why shouldn't it be a starving simulator?

why should carnis have the luxury of not starving? they're the harder class

[woeful latch]

well they will add ai dinos at some point

[white elm]

ew

[woeful latch]

because there’s a better solution instead of forcing players to constantly stay at the hotspot so they can find stuff to eat

[white elm]

Heavily nerf ai spawns
Remove patrol zones entirely
Implement the grazing change being discussion rn

[quick talon]

Does the jumping mutation work for reducing pteranodons's takeoff stamina usage?

[white elm]

Boom, carnis and herbis both are forced into migration zones

like carnis should be hard to grow

the current ai makes it... not hard to grow

[woeful latch]

that’s how it’s used to be and nobody liked that, i don’t want the game to tell me where to go

[white elm]

well thats how it needs to be

[woeful latch]

no

[white elm]

so you don't have herbis going in the middle of nowhere and getting diets and carnis feasting off each other in south plains

[woeful latch]

that’s why i got my list of changes that will fix all that

[white elm]

but it won't

[white elm]

oh yea also, remove carnis from most carnis' diets

[eternal moss]

@lusty wagon just play unofficial servers that have rules.

[barren crater]

real

any patch that has made starvation an actual risk has been hated on

[frank tapir]

@unreal ridge #phase-three-requests message burrowing has been brought up, and we know they've discussed it internally as of the last devblog

[woven bane]

#general-feedback message @left ridge hypsi has a whole mechanic designed to help it escape things. it should be slightly worse at it so it’ll be tricker to escape one imo

[woeful latch]

i mean, hypsi is definitely going to be better climber. it can’t be both slower and vulnerable on land at worse climber than the herrera

i also hope they’ll rework the spit mechanic, the current one meh

[urban flax]

If hypsi is a worse climber than herrera it's gonna be very sad

[woven bane]

ye but it takes away the hunter n prey dynamic

[unreal ridge]

how?

Herrera is an ambush predator that can deal massive amounts of damage in a single hit
hyspi should be much more mobile so that if it spots a herrera it can quickly escape to the high canopy or leave the area

its basically deino and beipi but in the trees

[white elm]

...beipi swims slower than deino

[unreal ridge]

beipi is overall more mobile than deino

I never said faster, hypsi just needs to be able to move around the trees like a squirrel and its fine

[white elm]

I agree, I don't want hypsi to be faster than herrera

it just needs to be able to dodge and enter holes that herrera can't

[unreal ridge]

I propose the high branches, herrera weighs a lot more and could potentially break a thin branch that hypsi would be fine standing on
like how colobus monkeys avoid chimps

[woven bane]

if it spots a herrera it should use its spit mechanic to temporarily blind it and take the opportunity to escape while the herrera recovers. that would be more fun

especially since hypsi’s spit is planned to make herrera’s lose their grips iirc

[unreal ridge]

well i mean thats up to the individual player, the longer you linger the more time the herrera gets to eat you

when you finally get to aim that spit you'll be herrera food lol

[woven bane]

hypsi’s can also just jump on the ground and vanish in some bushes, its tiny and hard to track

[unreal ridge]

yeah

[woven bane]

one thing hypsi should be better at when it comes to climbing is fall dmg resistance tho imo

[unreal ridge]

hypsi should be basically immune to fall damage, just like squirrels

yk its weird, squirrels and cats get hurt from shorter falls rather than farther ones
falling for longer lets them spread out their limbs and absorb the impact, short falls dont so they end up hitting the ground harder

[woven bane]

would be a funny sight to see hypsi’s jumping off the mountain at highlands landing unscathed

[lilac void]

Elite fish and Schooling fish AI are not spawning in lakes and ponds for the last few restarts

[past crystal]

#general-feedback message
the way to make deino playable is;

1. keep its' hunger progression the same
2. increase player population to 150 or more
3. allow juvie/sub deinos to be faster than adult deinos
4. add more variated spawns

[subtle swan]

Make more coastal AI spawn to make Saltwater deino more viable outside of movign to the next freshwater area.

add sea turtle to diet

add taco to diet.

add schooling fish back to diet

[past crystal]

schooling fish are in diet, up until a certain growth i thought

[urban flax]

Deino is already playable...

[past crystal]

#general-feedback message
one is central and one is west

#general-feedback message
redwoods would be better in the north end of the map - it would give players more incentive to go up there.
if i want to find other players in the game, where do i head? south west
there are hardly ever players in the north, so adding redwoods up there would be fantastic

[past crystal]

#general-feedback message
@crude slate just use /unstuck

[crude slate]

oh thanks so much already starved but i will know in future

[coarse spruce]

Are you sure? I think that was just a player's suggestion and not a dev confirmation

[limber hull]

devs have mentioned it

[coarse spruce]

that would be incredibly helpful for defending nests and driving away local herra populations

[frank tapir]

@junior nymph wrong channel #phase-three-requests message

[junior nymph]

whoops

cheers man

[frank tapir]

all good

[junior nymph]

its late lol

[latent olive]

bro

old mate

my man

that’s like

telling a dog to bark so it makes noise

or something idk that entire message alone broke my brain

[proud coral]

It's also not as easy as snap "oh look more people"
These people have to actually be the right ones they're looking for. Unless you want another legacy treatment of poor foundations and not meshing well with other devs to happen.

[quick talon]

@tall hearth yo, why do you think it's a bad idea

just curious

[proud coral]

Proximity debuffs always make me think "cool, so if I'm faster than you, I can just follow you to debuff you for fun okay"

[quick talon]

I mean, they could just fix patrol zones and migration zones and decrease AI spawns a bit, but if they won't do that, I don't see any other options

[quick talon]

Well, the one chasing you would also get debuffed I guess.

[tall hearth]

Me choosing the faster species than you to debuff you while you can't do anything

And then the rest of my discord mixpack shows up (who stayed away from my group far enough to not get debuffed) to dunk on your debuffed dinosaur

It's abusable so no

[quick talon]

Alr, you made your point

[tall hearth]

Eventually everyone would tire of getting debuffed and either all choose the same thing (likely cerato, cause cannibalism go brrr) or just stop playing because a mechanic gets abused

[quick talon]

What if they just removed patrol zones and made migration zones spawn more frequent and never disappear off the smell bar, until at least half of the food in it was eaten? And make them spawn less food, so herbis can't just make megapacks and survive like that everywhere they go.

For the carnivores less AI would make them try to kill more, AI should only be enough for small-medium carnivores as a last resort to not starve to death. Rn you can get 2 diet types on almost any carnivore from AI only.

[vital laurel]

@honest beacon Lumen adds in refelctions already, unless you mean you want to dissable that part of lumen if thats possible

[tall hearth]

There's a couple plans for PZ and MZ.

First, carnivores will be able to see pz and mz that actually have players in them so you don't go to one that's empty and sit for eternity while the one next door is filled to the brim. It should help a lot in finding other players, which would help player interaction.

PZ are staying, they're not done with those yet. PZ are currently just for food, but it seems the devs want them to be sources for some sort of activities they want players to do that will likely benefit their playables. We don't know what though, we'll find out with time.

The devs also want carnivores to have less carnivores in their diets as well, ultimately leading to more carnivore and herbivore/omnivore interactions too. Would help get rid of carnivore hotspots and get them to head to PZ and MZ more.

Foraging would help small carnivores immensely, and they also plan on buffing that mechanic in the future. Hopefully it gets expanded to more and more playables as well, especially younger stages and smaller sized adults if needed.

[quick talon]

That would be awesome. Most carnivores rn usually go for other carnivores since they're much easier to hunt compared to the herbis. There's a higher chance that you will find a young carnivore than finding a young herbivore, most of my meals are other carnivores at least, it's very difficult to even find herbivores, let alone hope they're not fully grown, most of the time you aren't able to 1vs1 a herbivore that is in your diet.

[thick summit]

@gentle lichen gateway is a tropical island

[gentle lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/kkkk-abadi-gif-26143332

[oblique fable]

#general-feedback message

I don't think people who downvote/deny the idea of trying to make Mixpacking harder to do/outright limit it don't understand how mechanically broken Mixpacking is balance wise, (specifically Carni-Herbi Mixpacking). Currently at the moment its not really a big deal say for maybe the higher tier animals mixpacking, and becomes a bigger deal if that mixpacking group becomes aggressive, but once larger Apex animals are introduced- Mix packing will become really destructive for many players, its already enough of an issue for many that loads of unofficial servers actively try and manage the idea of it.

The game fundamentally is supposed to be unfair, its a very realistic and important aspect of the game, hence the entire 'survival' nature of it all, Darwinism and all that stuff. But the problem with Mixpacking it ultimately doesn't match this feeling at all, as despite how unfair the game is- its unfair within a balance of "Oh, well that sucks, but next time I can do better", with Mixpacking however- if its a group that last hours on end, that's pretty much a walking horde that's extremely harder to ignore and avoid, especially if the huge group is aggressively going for others not apart of their group, and following Migration/Patrol zones

Ultimately as well consider that Mixpacking can potentially be reduced due to elders and future mutation systems, making it that animals can't live forever and won't be able to have instant OP mutations without proper linage, but all that matters in its entirety is that Mix packing balance wise isn't good, and really stops many people from playing, while its not at all something thats a "one and done fix" its definitely should be something that people look upon and not just say "yes or no" too and actually consider what it does for the general lifetime of a player. Mixpacking itself is also something that can't be really fixed, as its not a feature- but something that's reliant on players as well, and almost always will have a way to be used/done if people really want too. Lastly, its important to consider the fact that Mixpacking isn't something that's easily fixed- as what constitutes as mixpacking is very subjective and just saying "mixpacking bad" doesn't pin point those kinds of issues.

Had a whole thing typed up and realized it fit better as a discussion rather then feedback

[urban flax]

I cast THE LIST to counter your WALL

9 reasons why stress debuffs are bad (Bubulblu's mixpacking List) :

1. Griefers can and will continue griefing even with debuffs, unless they lead to death, which would pose a much bigger problem.
2. Depending on the range and timing of debuffs occuring, players can abuse them by regularly getting away from each other and continue griefing.
3. It ruins prolonged fights. Some fights in the game can last for 30+ minutes, but the game cannot tell the difference between a fight where no one hits each other for some time and mixpacking.
4. Mixpacking isn't necessarily an issue. There is nothing wrong with a group of small dinos hanging around a larger one who they know cannot catch them.
5. Temporary alliances can be fine. Two groups of predators can hunt the same prey and decide to help each other until said prey is dead, or two prey animals could stand side-by-side to defeat a powerful predator, without being necessarily griefers. The point of the game is to maximize your chances of survival.
6. It promotes deathmatch gameplay instead of survival, by forcing players to either run away or kill anything that isn't their own species.
7. A fast dino can purposefully debuff a slower one by following it and causing debuffs. Again, griefers don't care if they're being debuffed.
8. It ruins hiding. In a jungle or near water, two players can be very close to each other without being aware of each other's presence. Debuffs occuring would give them away to each other.
9. Stress implies forcing psychological reactions on a player, which is a bad thing to do in a horror game. A dino has no reason to be stressed or afraid if the player controlling it isn't. The game should try to scare off the player themselves, not their character.

Wait you were actually not advocating for a proximity debuff

[oblique fable]

Never said Stress debuffs are a good idea as nothing without proper thought is going to be good from the getgo, and I'm also not saying Mixpacking is entirely the fault- its really moreso talking about balance

[urban flax]

My bad
Well you can still enjoy THE LIST

[oblique fable]

ahahaha thank you still lmao

All I really want ultimately is to play and not go towards a migration zone, and get assaulted by a pair of Ceras, Dibble, and Stegs all working together

[urban flax]

Yeah mixpacking is a real issue, but not one that is easy to fix

[oblique fable]

which sadly happens- and it really sucks cause its not at all easy to fix or change

[urban flax]

I kinda hope that mixpacking will "solve itself" as new mechanics are added

[oblique fable]

I also like some kinds of mixpacking as well- like Gallis running with a herd of Maias or something, its not bad and it makes the game fundamentally nicer both visually and socially

[urban flax]

Maybe elders will make players understand it's not all about combat, maybe apexes will be able to cull mixpacks more than they partake in it, maybe an improved migration system would reduce the occurences of it...

But so far, the only real fix I can think of it would come along a full scent rework, that allows players to scent mixpacks even when not actively pressing the scent key

[urban flax]

The only problematic mixpacks are the ones people use to kill everyone they find with

[oblique fable]

Like- ofc I want to see animals interact and be nearby, we're all playing the same game and deserve to be friendly, but as well I want to game to be balanced and fun enough where I don't feel like I'm going insane after growing an animal for 2-3 hours, and dying because there's a really aggresive mixpack

[urban flax]

Like
A galli mixpacking with raptors isn't realistic, or immersive, or cool to watch, but at least it isn't super harmful

[oblique fable]

I'm honestly afraid of Apexes becoming apart of a mixpack, especially a group of 1-2 rexes with Trikes and Pteras and scouts and shi

[urban flax]

Oh yeah
My hopes is that apexes will be bad in mixpacks because of their slow speed, for example, so people hopefully won't use them to mixpack

[oblique fable]

Indeed yeah, and I even said that the worse part of this entire thing is that its all subjective, I've heard people say they hated seeing smaller animals with slightly larger ones cause its harder to hunt (which is true, but that granted is moreso cause the larger ones in the group defend the smaller animals like they were their kid XD)

All have valid points and reasons for not liking certain kinds of mixpacking, but all I hope for is that the game isn't what it was back in Spiro...

The mixpacks you'd see there was so bad 😭

[past crystal]

#general-feedback message
probably got taken down as they can't use someone else's creative works as it's possible you'd come back at them and demand money for using your works..

[faint folio]

I get what you're saying, but I'd like to point out that while everyone likes to single out herbi-carni mixpacking, there absolutely are herbi-herbi and carni-carni mixpacking and some combinations thereof are equally problematic as mixed-diet mixpacks. For example, pachy-stego, or teno-stego.

Overall it would be nice if the isle could encourage cooperative play between species that aren't broken to play together, and discourage play between species that are OP when cooperating

[oblique fable]

Yeah for sure, I said it earlier as well that its all subjective of whats good/bad mixpacking- for example I personally believe herbi-herbi isn't entirely bad as long as it isn't aggresive grouping, hunting down everything nearby

all n' all Mixpacking covers so many things, and its hard to exactly list whats good or bad about Mixpacking without being opiniated

all I think that matters to me is balance, I don't want to be hunting and then immediately cucked because the only small tier animal on my diet nearby is being protected in a aggressive herbi-carni mixpack

but its really down to community sadly 😔 , Bubulblu gave a really good point that hopefully elders can show people that the game isn't entirely about fighting and atleast helps with long lasting herds

[faint folio]

Wouldn't that still happen if the only small tier animal on your diet nearby is being protected by an aggressive stego-pachy-teno mixpack? But yeah, overall I agree. I'd define "bad mixpacking" as any combination of dinosaurs that causes an unfair, unfun, and unintended experience for other players. Although dinosaurs shouldn't be balanced around mixpacking, permitted mix packs SHOULD be balanced around what makes a fair experience for other players, if that makes sense?

[oblique fable]

It was just an example for example sake- in general I just don't wanna die to bs that isn't gameplay orientated XD Its not fun dying to a mixpacker, since its not about anything survival related, its just entirely bad odds and it makes me not want to play

[leaden acorn]

i cast
mixpacking ruins balance

[faint folio]

Exactly

[oblique fable]

The isle is unfair, but atleast when I die to something unfair- it feels like its something I could've avoided or something that I can learn to avoid in the next life, mixpacking is a constant and isn't something I can easily avoid next animal

[leaden acorn]

im so tired of the "dont kill them theyre my friend" and then i have to starve or face the wrath of a mixpack of 2392094824 dinosaurs

[faint folio]

Mixpacking ruins balance in games not designed to include mix packing. In games where mix packing is part of the intended experience, playables tend to be balanced so that mix packing isn't game breaking

But it sucks to be a situation where it doesn't matter what you choose to do, you will always die because they have a group that counters all your strengths and weaknesses

Can't run, can't fight, can't hide. As soon as they know you're there, there is no escape

[oblique fable]

This is so true holy lord 🙏

[leaden acorn]

I know like, a stress debuff obviously wont work. We just need some kind of way to stop mixpackers absolutely ruining the experience.

[gilded wagon]

anyone have had any problems with lauching the isle, i have black screen with 3 dots when trying to open it...

[oblique fable]

Sadly no bossman, check somewhere else like https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/723260797719019620- they should be able to help you

[faint folio]

That's really what I mean by "unfair". Because obviously if I play an Omni, and mess up and get too close to the business end of a stego, I will never win that 😅 but it's fair, because my "win" is to stay away from the business end or time mounts/dismounts

There's a way to survive the encounter, which is how I win, and how the game is "fair". If there's no way to survive, even if I make no mistakes, it's not fair anymore. And that's how mixpack combinations can be bad for game balance

[icy lion]

Disable or uninstall your antivirus, or allow the game folder as an exclusion

[fading quail]

#general-feedback message Im pretty sure they have admin server open to public if thats what you mean on unofficials

[hallow vigil]

what did bro mean by this

@jagged belfry

[jagged belfry]

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNDhjZG5tcXpzYjFwdzdvNWdmcGpqc2FvMW1mOG9hcTlhYWxtNmJlNyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/HG0iCXnlklMxiHuK20/giphy.gif

[woeful latch]

LMAO WHAT

[jagged belfry]

i meant mix packing idk why i said crosspack lol

[woeful latch]

no, i mean.. what the hell is kappachungus?

[jagged belfry]

oh

i mean thats a kappachungus right there

[woeful latch]

what does that mean even?

[woeful latch]

it sounds funny not gonna lie

[jagged belfry]

this is kappachungus

ur wlcm

[karmic patio]

i really dont get people trying to put rules on official servers it should be a place to play in any way you want(as long as youre not hacking ofc) ppl should stop crying and just play the game 💀

[jagged belfry]

speaking of kappa chungus

[karmic patio]

same thing as mixpacking if you dont want it go to an unofficial server

[mortal parrot]

Wow, where in that did I ever mention rules?

[karmic patio]

ppl talk about it but im pretty sure the first chance they get to mixpack they do it

[karmic patio]

this mechanic you suggested is like a rule in someway

body camping = bad, you cant do it

[mortal parrot]

Not really, that's like saying diets are rules because you need to eat certain things to grow faster

[mortal parrot]

Body camping for Herbivores, they have no reason to stay near a body

[woeful latch]

my only issue with body camping is that it’s very hard to not make it buggy or mess up the gameplay.

what if the body is in my patrol zone?

what if the body is near my nest?

what if the body is in my sanctuary?

what if i found cool spot to hide and someone found me and i killed them should i leave that spot just because there is a body now?

will ai count towards body camping? what about fresh spawn juvie troodon i dont even see?

there’s a lot of issues with that mechanic

i don’t want to get debuff just because i’m somewhere near the body that i don’t even camp, im just forced to be there

[mortal parrot]

Having small scavenger ai attack herbivores for standing too close to a body sounds good

[woeful latch]

yeah i like that, but it honestly wont really stop that? also depends how small

[karmic patio]

im just saying my opinion, im not sure but I think this would be the first mechanic ever added in order to stop an specific way of playing, which doesnt make sense in official servers

[woeful latch]

like if i’m the teno and there’s compy attacks me? i just won’t care

[mortal parrot]

I just imagined compies and Pteros latching onto whatever herbivore is not leaving a body

[white elm]

and if they're too strong you just kinda... die

[jagged belfry]

oh but a new player running into a stego deino mixpack makes sense i think

[karmic patio]

yeah it makes

[jagged belfry]

thats fine

send opgg let me see ur intelligence level

[karmic patio]

thanks god I dont play ranked

[jagged belfry]

shocker!

[mortal parrot]

It doesn't really stop them just punishes them, like how herbivores and carnivores need to eat certain things or else they get growth bonuses

[jagged belfry]

@icy lion can u ban me from this server

im getting cancer

[icy lion]

Press the Leave button

[jagged belfry]

i dont want to return by some miracle

please do it

[teal fulcrum]

I didn't kill that deino so stego could stand there for 30 minutes until the corpse disappeared bro

[karmic patio]

well its a strategy

you can do the same too if you want

[teal fulcrum]

it's imbalance

[karmic patio]

im not this type of player but I defend the idea that everyone should be able to play as they want as long as they are not cheating

[teal fulcrum]

I'm not an idiot lol, sry

I don't want to ruin the game for others by exploiting a critical imbalance of this game

[vernal bluff]

this might be a super hot take, but since this game is close to elapsing its highest all-time peak player count we should full send all dinos that are somewhat close to being finished regardless of balance to keep the interest in the thousands of new eyes watching this game for the first time

[karmic patio]

if they were to add a new mech to everysingle thing that ppl dont like it would be troublesome

thats why unoficial servers are a thing

[limber hull]

the dinos need a lot more than balance to be considered complete

[faint tapir]

@urban flax #general-feedback message i searched the terms "Stress / disease" in general feedback history and you are in the downvotes every single time, so much so that i got bored of looking scrolling back history. You werent impartial or neutral over the topic, you were actively+vocally against it probably more than any other person in Islecord. Now that i look at your pfp closer, i do see a spine 😉 . Better late than never.

[urban flax]

I have not changed my mind
Most suggestions I see regarding stress or disease system are barely thought-out and are just a half-assed way to try to prevent mixpackers or are based on RNG, which as I mentioned in my own feedback, is not the goal of my suggestion.

[faint tapir]

you downvoted people who even simply said "please add stress / disease" . you were squarely both against the concept and/or context. Anyway its sunday, have a nice day. Keep the calcium intake >1000mg the spine will be healthy

[urban flax]

A suggestion with no explanation is not a good suggestion

[latent olive]

im kinda mixed on it, to be honest

if we DO get diseases/illnesses ingame then id like them to have that complexity

[desert arch]

@humble coyote the next update is confirmed to have a feature which allows you to spawn with your friends

[humble coyote]

good

ill be waiting

this is a threat

wait whens the next update you guys dont update your game

and whyd they get removed

im asking questions for the people

[desert arch]

https://m.twitch.tv/boschmerchant/clip/DiligentResoluteAntTooSpicy-_7X0AARm8eqihkkl?desktop-redirect=true "Were having a test next week that may, or may not end up being public"

Either way its very close😄

[desert arch]

Because people kept crowding in a single area of the map and creating massive lagfests

[humble coyote]

the isle is a really good game you should get more people to work on it

i used to play so so so much

[humble coyote]

you shouldve just bashed them its an easy fix

https://tenor.com/view/waving-foot-funny-emoji-gif-13814602557082061330

[desert arch]

Im not a dev lol

[humble coyote]

figure it out the customers always right

[desert arch]

They tried, 3 different times, but the end result stayed the same, people just moved to hotspot to the next most commonly shared spawn

North east -> East -> South Plains

[humble coyote]

what if there were spawn limits ??

[desert arch]

🤷‍♂️

[humble coyote]

as i said the customers always right figure it out its an easy ficx

https://tenor.com/view/dance-gif-14880344851904561392

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1325799129787400195/1328748134603558964/attachment.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/692412844284706959/1314576496429633576/image0.gif

time me out already istg

[desert arch]

Wouldnt it just be easier to... leave the server?

[indigo gulch]

And this is why gifs get disabled sometimes…

[desert arch]

Who even makes gifs like these... 😭

[indigo gulch]

Right???

[desert arch]

<@&933486433342222376>

[indigo gulch]

And that’s just wrong

[humble coyote]

Grow up

[desert arch]

Ban speedrun in big 25 is crazy

[indigo gulch]

You know that phrase has been taken out of context right?

The original phrase is “the customer is always right when it comes to taste”

[humble coyote]

No

The customer always rightly

I would know bcus I’m the customer

[limber hull]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[indigo gulch]

Oh then they are especially wrong🤣

[humble coyote]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/701095943788822540/1200320703380062258/07D19C69-0CA3-469D-94E7-154461EBE205.gif

[desert arch]

Average day in islecord am I right

[indigo gulch]

Haha

[faint tapir]

💀

https://tenor.com/view/water-spray-stop-sprinkle-water-spray-bless-and-santize-you-gif-16738689

Be careful of a cheater cera south plains orange green skin EU2

(not really im just trying to get Admin attention, please Admin scroll up for the love of everything and ban that man)

[humble coyote]

Can’t handle the gen X power you weak liberal gen Z

Go ahead and cancel me

I don’t care 😈😈😈😈

[humble coyote]

That was tuff my G 😈😈🥩🤛🔥🔥

[indigo gulch]

So you’re telling we need to grow up when you literally confirm you’re a child?

[humble coyote]

Gen X is the working class you sissy gen Z

[indigo gulch]

No it isn’t 🤣

[humble coyote]

Your about to get humbled lil bro 😈😈

[night obsidian]

<@&933486433342222376>

[indigo gulch]

No adult says that😭

[indigo gulch]

We already tried bro

[humble coyote]

Woah oh

I’m just too gangsta

[indigo gulch]

That’s not you🤣

[night obsidian]

It's okay just making sure.

[humble coyote]

GEN X RISEEEE

😈😈🔥🔥🔥🔥🥩🥩🤛🤛🤛

[indigo gulch]

Brother you mixed up the letters🤣

[humble coyote]

I’m calling you a sissy gen Z liberal you sissy gen Z liberal

[night obsidian]

Just don't answer him. What's the point? He needs the attention and you give it to him

[limber hull]

the idea that you're an adult man is infinitely funnier than you being a child so i fully support you being gen x

[humble coyote]

Mr big man over here

[indigo gulch]

Lmao that’s not wrong

[humble coyote]

See this guy gets it

[indigo gulch]

Well uh gl I guess?

[humble coyote]

He’s probably also a gen X riser that’s standing up for Eminem and gets cancelled so he’s my ally in this world of gen Z’ers 🫡🫡🫡🔥🔥🔥

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-used-to-be-believable-baited-jebaited-bait-i-got-jebaited-gif-1296286127798996733

[humble coyote]

Now that’s some funny GEN Z HUMOUR 😹 😂

[desert arch]

Keep trolling, Im laughing so hard

[indigo gulch]

So uh what was gen z according to you?

[humble coyote]

You

You sissy liberal

[indigo gulch]

No no get your google back out

[humble coyote]

Is this funny to you pal because I’m going to give you a knuckle sandwich punk

[indigo gulch]

You used it earlier, I know you can do it

[desert arch]

LOL

Very

[indigo gulch]

Damn and they say new generations have bad handwriting

[humble coyote]

Tryna cancel slim shady AND Eminem like come on punk

[indigo gulch]

This is worse

[humble coyote]

It’s because of how much hard work I do

[indigo gulch]

Uhuh

[night obsidian]

Imagine giving a damn about what name was given to people born in a specific time span. Nothing better to care about in life ?

[indigo gulch]

Aren’t you supposed to be at work right now?

[humble coyote]

Uh huh* sissy gen z mistake

[humble coyote]

I’m shitposting stop ruining the fun

[desert arch]

Allegedely an at least 45yo man btw 😭 🙏 ^

[harsh sun]

Jesus wtf is going on here

[limber hull]

PLEASE let him be a 45 year old man

[desert arch]

Leave while you can, and dont scroll up

[humble coyote]

Nah nah nah punk your staying you sissy liberal gen Z

[humble coyote]

Who do you think you are young man

[limber hull]

A very amused onlooker

[indigo gulch]

Most based wavepoole moment ngl

[humble coyote]

This is very serious and not a joke

[limber hull]

That makes it funnier

[humble coyote]

Is this one of your gen Z sissy liberal terms

[humble coyote]

Ahem

[limber hull]

Yes?

[humble coyote]

This is me btw

[desert arch]

The fact you still arent banned

Truly amusing

[limber hull]

Why yo eyes so goddamn big lmaooo

[indigo gulch]

Looking pretty good for a 60+

[humble coyote]

I’m Boutta get humbled i

[humble coyote]

Honestly tho what’s happening

[indigo gulch]

American sleep times

I just wake up early

[humble coyote]

It’s like 10 in Australia rn

At night

[limber hull]

I could TELL you're aussie based on the username

[humble coyote]

Mhm

[limber hull]

That's Aussie as hell

[junior nymph]

8PM for me

[limber hull]

That's because you live in the wastelands

[junior nymph]

so true

[humble coyote]

Dinosaur game 🤤🤤🤤

[indigo gulch]

What’s it like living in the future?

[junior nymph]

HT is out

with rex

[indigo gulch]

Wow you live in the FAR future huh

[junior nymph]

I see all I know all

[indigo gulch]

[humble coyote]

Wait so they end up updating the game?

[desert arch]

Imagine if we bury the bannable offenses so much this guy ends up not being bamned

[limber hull]

Saved by the bell

[humble coyote]

Yeah I don’t wanna get banned anymore you guys are chill😭

[desert arch]

Too bad so sad🥺

[indigo gulch]

This is where I would say what game I’m playing, but that might genuinely get me banned too🤣

[humble coyote]

Wait I just looked at your bio your a big history fan????

[indigo gulch]

Good game tho

[indigo gulch]

Yeah.

[humble coyote]

No way

So am I

I’m the biggest biggest history buff

[indigo gulch]

Lot of cool stuff in history

But the way they teach is so dull🤣

[humble coyote]

Fr tho it was so unbelievably boring doing it in class

[indigo gulch]

My teacher brought a guillotine model during french revolution, loved that guy😂

[humble coyote]

That’s awesome wtf

Why can’t my teachers be as cool as that

I mean used to be because I’m a gen X

[indigo gulch]

Oh yeah he also brought a genuine ww1 german helmet

[desert arch]

Almost slipped out of character there huh

[humble coyote]

This isn’t a character

It’s real hard work and dedication by the Gen X’ers

[humble coyote]

I wanna get war replicas and original stuff and just have them around

[indigo gulch]

That’d be cool

I do have some tank models somewhere, but I can’t remember where

[humble coyote]

Yeah I wanna get models and allat but I’m broke

I’m gonna hop off for tonight fellas I’ll probably be banned by tomorrow morning or whenever the stinky Americans wake up

[urban flax]

@tame jetty Honestly, I don't think that would solve mixpacking
Mixpackers don't do it because they like fighting, they do it because they like to ruin the experience of other people and be uncontested

[indigo gulch]

🤣

[latent olive]

that, and how it improves their survival by just having 8 or 9 friends as different species to just protect eachother

truly cringe

[humble coyote]

Js tell me I’m dying alone gng 💔😭

[indigo gulch]

Gn

[frank tapir]

coulda told you that when you started posting the gifs

oh they're gone

what a message to end on

[past crystal]

#general-feedback message

new servers are indeed helping, people would rather wait in a queue for 100 players than not queue for anything under that

[heady cradle]

when was this taken

[past crystal]

time i posted it

[heady cradle]

i mean to be fair, the servers were all busy af last night and still had large ques for most of all. now is not peak gaming time and western time zones are waking up just about now

[past crystal]

o

[heady cradle]

i think the addition of new servers great, especially if the heavily awaited rex/playables are to be released closer in the future. The streamers that have given the game exposure lately also give another reason to add more servers as that probably reeled in quite a few new players.

[acoustic sapphire]

I beg they increas serveer size and add 2 more server for each regon

i have beed in a que for the last 20 min and gone up by 1 place

[covert tiger]

@hexed forge idk who told you that but stego isn't being replaced
Kentro will be added without anything else being taken out

[covert tiger]

Lol no
You posted this at 8am ET

For most of the afternoon, evening and night all these servers are full with 30+ queue

[deft fossil]

id rather wait for the 7ms ping server i play on with these hitboxes + registry

[turbid hamlet]

if you crash there should be either no queue time back into same game or go to first in queue frfr

[full flower]

what do u guys think about overeatting mechanic

[thick summit]

that's literally just cera

and deino

[raven sky]

There's already one in game. If you overeat you puke which gives you vomit sickness. The only ones unaffected by it are cera and deino

[sly grove]

Anyone know why Anticheat instantly closes?

Tried loading game and nothing

[full flower]

why would only 2 dinos be affected thats retrded

[night obsidian]

What exactly is your point?
Every dino can overeat and will vomit when doing so. Crocs don't and Cera also doesn't because of his scavenger niche. The problem of having not enough food is not overeating. The problem is that the food values are too low. Bodies doesn't give enough food.

[strange wave]

every single other dinosaur except cera and deino are affected

[bronze niche]

we should be getting more playercount anyways 100 people in gateway feels dead in most areas of the map

[fading quail]

⚠️ Increasing server pop could make the game run worse. 125-150 ppl in a server could probably lead to an increase in crashes, more lag spikes and higher ping + lower tick rate.

So I agree with adding more servers, but dont think the game is optimized enough to support multiple 150 player servers.

[bronze niche]

petit pieds has 225 and runs fine

[fading quail]

Theres no problems whatsoever? No lag, no crashes, no crazy ping?

[bronze niche]

crashes no, lag i have never experienced, crazy ping sometimes the server gets ddossed randomly from someone who died and needs to cope but no the ping is fine in my experience

[icy lion]

The devs have to contend with hosting nearly two dozen servers all over the world, getting a good, high-pop server that runs well is more complicated in that scenario

[fading quail]

Its also costs A LOT more money to run a high quality server

[bronze niche]

dondi gets like a 20% increase in his bank everytime someone makes a deinosuchus video

[woven bane]

horrific fps though

[bronze niche]

mine is fine but that could be because im on an rtx 4060

[fading quail]

X to doubt but

steam also takes 30% from everything he makes

[fading quail]

figured

[bronze niche]

he still gets a lot nonetheless

idk im not in his position anyway i dont know anything of what he does with the money all i know is that it costs a lot per dinosaur

[fading quail]

The peak player count right now is sitting at 11K and over half of that is people playing LEGACY

Not many people can run Evrima unfortunately

[icy lion]

Hm?

[bronze niche]

legacy has chinese servers that are using fake players

[bronze niche]

last time i checked

[fading quail]

Steam charts ignores that

Its going off actual steam accounts

chinese cannot fake that

[fading quail]

looking at the steam charts

[icy lion]

Where are you getting the half playing legacy number from?

[fading quail]

cross referencing player count
I hop on legacy and check out the server count occasionally

Both officials and unofficials but that was around a month ago when I actually did the math

10945-(2400+3049)=5496

Aprox. ^

ofc this changes every second

[weak lantern]

when will the new update came?

[icy lion]

Read rule 10 #rules-and-info

[thick summit]

@waxen oracle cera ain't supposed to be a hunter 😭

And we shouldn't bring back the ambush mechanic

[thick summit]

Don't forget the people in the Qs

[waxen oracle]

Yeah I know but to get a perfect diet you have to either find a rare corpse that actually fits the diet (probably protected by a bunch of other carnivores and or mixpackers) or hunt down other Ceras which is counterproductive. I understand it’s largely a scavenger but 99% of the diet is other dinosaurs and you’re incapable of actually catching anything

[thick summit]

You're not supposed to be good at hunting

And mixpacking is just bs

But well, cera is a corpse bully...just bully other carnivores off your next meal

[waxen oracle]

An ambush will get you close to a dinosaur, doesn’t make you op in a hunt. I’ve just had a lot of cases where full sprinting after something on my diet ends up with them outrunning me massively. So Cera gameplay is mostly just playing like an herbivore, going for AI, going for water, resting, going for AI, going for water. 💀 and since a group of Omnis can pin you easily it’s pretty hard to do any bullying

[thick summit]

Maybe don't attack a full pack of omnis solo

And legacy had ambush speeds

It was horrible

[waxen oracle]

Horrible in what way? Also like I said though, to get a full diet you need specific corpses to show up which will almost always be protected by omnis or several carnos.

[thick summit]

Ambush was broken in legacy

Apex could catch up to mid tiers and it was a carnivore only mechanic

And you can always find more ceras to bully packs off bodies

[subtle swan]

#general-feedback message No we need BIGGER servers, not more. Diluting the playerbase is bad.

Like they added a 3rd AU server and now we have 3 mid-high pop instead of two full and the map's way too big as it is. bleh.

[waxen oracle]

Yeah, bigger servers not more servers. The island should be populated in areas that aren’t south and north plains

[eternal moss]

@waxen oracle that would turn cera from op, to OP. It's already good enough. If anything it need a nerf, not anything to help it.

[normal shuttle]

What????

#general-feedback message

Cera doesn’t have a chance to hunt dinosaurs right now?

And of course let’s the give the ambush to the scavenger whose whole personality and main abilities are about being anything but stealthy

[eternal moss]

exactly

[normal shuttle]

It is baffling, no wonder why no one liked it.

Yeah an ambush mechanic is so fitting, out of all playables planned and in game, to this thing that also has this ability in their kit:

(As well as chuffing)

[peak junco]

Is it possible to switch between the legacy version and Evrima without it being a download every single time?

[eternal moss]

@unreal ridge that must've been so annoying, lmao

[indigo gulch]

I sincerely doubt that. It’s a whole different map and system.

[unreal ridge]

yeah dude theres honestly no describing how annoying troodon is to play
as much as I love it its just very unfun at the moment because when pounce works its taking up maybe 10% of your stamina everytime you pounce because of the mandatory 3-4 seconds troodon has to stay latched on to apply venom which is just not viable knowing how to kill anything troodon needs to pounce anything large at least 20 times

stego takes 79 pounces (more if you include the 3 it takes to get to stage 3) and stego weighs 6 tons
maia which is actually on troodon's diet is 3.7 so lets say IN THEORY it would take around 40 pounces while fully envenomated, but maia is also FASTER than troodon so it can literally just run away before troodon starts to kill it

tier 3 pounce is 120 damage which is pretty high, only 30 less damage than a cerato or carno bite

but the key problem is that unlike cerato or carno, troodon cannot sustain this damage for a prolonged period of time which absolutely destroys it as a persistence predator

when pounce doesnt work you just get one shotted and have to regrow

[indigo gulch]

And unlike omni, your main power doesn’t come until…65%?

[unreal ridge]

like Im serious I dont believe troodon is weak im just saying its being severaly held back by mechanics

if you got a pack of 6 troodons vs a fully grown tenonto, if one guy gets the teno to envenomation and the rest of the 5 pounce just once it is 600 damage
37.5% of teno's health down in a second, you do that a second time 75% of its health and you'd only need 4 to pounce the last time and thats overkill

but thats only theory, in practice with bad hitboxes and broken pounces, even in a group of 10 you are likely to lose half or more fighting a tenonto
whether that is play skill or broken hitboxes is debatable but the real point is that troodon is fundamentally flawed because it looks good on paper and hasnt had been given the time to make it a better creature

[unreal ridge]

huh maybe I was wrong 3700/120 is about 31 pounces
maia is more achieveable to hut

I still feel like troodon should be able to deal damage (slightly reduced) after latching on, eventually requiring troodon to detach and pounce again

initial pounce: 120 damage
2 seconds latched on: 85 damage
4 seconds: 65 damage
6+ seconds: 45 damage

so troodon can still deal damage if it chooses to stay on tier 3 envenomated prey, however to give prey a fair chance at fighting back, if troodon wants to deal decent damage it has to detach and repounce
giving the prey still an opportunity to kill it, if troodon wants to bring it down fast

or just keep it at 85 for every second after, make it essentially a like a dilo is biting you for every second you dont shake off the troodon

[unreal ridge]

yo so why was my feedback shadow deleted?

[frank tapir]

all 3 were full yesterday

[woeful latch]

no, too much damage

troodon forced to stay for couple seconds on target before it can dismount, which means it will be 120+85 damage every time

which is too much.

[past crystal]

#general-feedback message
it'd be super funny for a troodon to drag a heart or lung nearly as big as it out of a corpse

[white elm]

50km/h cera

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be

[normal shuttle]

Real. I love running down Omnis

Just make speed hacking a feature to stop hackers

[subtle swan]

Yeah but for most of the week it's been split.

Saturday's a special case.

[frank tapir]

yesterday was sunday

[urban flax]

source ?

[frank tapir]

today is monday, therefore yesterday was sunday

[urban flax]

So you just believe everything the feds tell you

[frank tapir]

I also counted every day since 10000 bce, but unfortunately that was in my head so I can't post it

[urban flax]

Ok I believe you

[limber hull]

yea thats way more believable than the calender

calenders are designed to decieve

[frank tapir]

btw au servers are all nearly full

[normal shuttle]

I know it has no impact but

68 ❌ lmao

[limber hull]

yea we doin numbers

[urban flax]

Honestly, it's the worst candidate for the worst mechanic that was ever in the game

[compact timber]

#general-feedback message
If the heartbeat sound has it's own slider in the audio settings where we can shut it off if we want or make it really quiet, heck yeah!

[thick summit]

@eternal moss ptera can already glide???

[eternal moss]

it still doesnt regen stam tho

gliding would regen stam

[thick summit]

Just latch onto a rock or a tree

And you'll regen stamina

Ptera literally doesn't have to land unless eating or drinking

[indigo gulch]

To be fair, it doesn’t make sense that, when it literally isn’t using any energy to move, it’s not regenerating stam like other dinos.

[eternal moss]

exactly

[eternal moss]

do you even have the isle?

ur always disagreeing with people over things that everyone else agrees with

makes me think ur just trying to argue about things

[thick summit]

Yes that's fair but we don't need a whole stance for gliding

It'd be neat to regen stamina while gliding though

[urban flax]

That's just another "stam regen while gliding" suggestion but it requires pressing a button

[thick summit]

I do infact have the isle. I don't know why you randomly claim stuff like that but well. This just isn't true

[unique mirage]

for gaming purposes i agree but how is it with birds irl? Is it like idk holding a plank? I suppose they cant do it endlessly

[urban flax]

That's what someone who doesn't have The Isle would say

[thick summit]

Istg

I'm gonna stun lock you now

[urban flax]

Depends a lot on the bird
Some are fully incapable of gliding, others can do it while they sleep

[thick summit]

I just disagree with adding an entire stance for a mechanic that already exists

[urban flax]

Also isn't the CTRL button already used for moving down as ptera ?

[thick summit]

Yes

I downvoted because a gliding mode basically already exists. I do think that ptera needs stamina buffs but it's literally getting a rework

[eternal moss]

oo yeah forgot about that

[limber hull]

this one is even funnier because its a stance to do the exact same thing ptera already does but with stam regen LMAO

[thick summit]

Indeed

And personally

I've never had an issue with ptera's stamina. I just want ptera to be able to hunt smaller creatures like juvis instead of dying to a fresh spawn omni

[night obsidian]

Nobody agreed with giving pteras a separate gliding stance

But letting him use less to no stamina when gliding I would agree with. However people assume birds and other flying don't have to use force to hold their wings in a straight position. You know what happens if a bird relaxes in the air? His wings would fold upwards because of the wind force. So yes gliding actually costs you strength

But for gameplay purposes I still agree as right now playing ptera is a pain in the ass stamina wise

[latent olive]

pteranodon doesn’t use stamina when gliding

[night obsidian]

Oh well, than the whole conversation is absolute

[latent olive]

I am almost certain of this because gliding is how I move around the map as pteranodon while conserving stamina

[night obsidian]

Yet. Stamina is a big problem with ptera. The Regen takes to long.

I think consumption is not as bad as the regen