general-feedback-discussion

[white elm]

If it's a new species like Rugops it wouldn't need redoing

[eager socket]

Maybe feathered species?

[gritty kernel]

I doubt any of those 4 would suffer if galli got bleed again

[white elm]

Orodromeus give the oreo something to set it apart

[eager socket]

It’s not that they would bleed out fast

That’s the problem it’s the long slow drain of constant hits randomly from something you can never catch stacking the bleed slowly reapplying

Impossible to catch if they really want to be

I think you really underestimate galli hit and run potential

Not much cuz it’s not super op sense it doesn’t have bleed

It’s strong enough to fight small things if it really wants but it’s balanced so it’s not insanely strong and fast

[sterile shale]

@eager socket I agree with plants needing to be re-evaluated, it just doesn’t make sense having 1 dibble being able to eat like 90% of the food in a pz

Just to get like 40% more food

[eager socket]

I’m just thinking of when big boys come

Like bro grazing will be all you can do

[sterile shale]

Especially those stupid orange trees, It’s so painstakingly slow to eat each individual orange which gives no food at all, idk why it’s even on dibbles diet

[eager socket]

@tired quest now this is a galli suggestion that I can get behind

[sterile shale]

Larger flora would be nice because it’s hard enough finding food as is, only for it to give like peanut amounts of diet

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message i think adding a bar similar to what cerato gives you on a bite to represent how much food you'll lose via the gastro would do loads for it in terms of 'effectiveness', or atleast make it feel like it does more

[white elm]

Agreed

[devout lodge]

Any new dinos on the horizon? Not sure when Allo is out..

[quiet falcon]

Bought the game excited to play with my friends, only to find out we spawn at completely random points on the map and are probably gonna die before we can even meet

videos i saw before buying said that you can choose where you spawn, only to find out they removed that feature once i bought the game

[bold oasis]

The feature to choose your spawn before had the issue of making only certain areas playable because everyone would just spawn there. It would make the game feel more dead everywhere

[limber hull]

there's a new system coming i believe next patch to address that exact thing

spawn codes to spawn with friends in the same place

[hollow mirage]

OMG! 🤩🤩🤩 so good!

[quiet falcon]

Oh really? thats great news! and maybe it solves the problem of everyone spawning at the same place!

[mighty girder]

Or reintroduces it

[coarse spruce]

#general-feedback message my idea for an easy fix, just make carno swing its head on left click, not by any automatic detection

I also want this because the automatic swing lets it hit things it didnt even know was there

Less player agency

[icy lion]

@night obsidian The 3rd reaction already exists and #general-feedback message

[night obsidian]

I've never seen it....like once

does that mean there is no dev looking?

[icy lion]

It means none of the suggestions need the whole team to review. Generally these are suggestions for new content. Feedback is always looked at

[night obsidian]

I understand. But seeing no marker at all, means that not even a single one of the team has looked into it, right? Or does somebody look at it but leave it unmarked?

That would comfirm the issue, that we don't know if all of our feedback is looked at. Many of my friends dont bother giving feedback because they believe most of it isn't being looked at.

[icy lion]

No, the 3rd reaction is specifically to send it to a channel for the entire dev team to easily view. The marker doesn't mean "a dev has looked at this" it means "this could be seriously considered as an addition"

The feedback is always looked at, it doesn't need a response or reaction

[night obsidian]

Okay, well I'm happy to know that the feedback is being looked at. But i think I'm not the only one that wishes a little bit more insight on what the team consider as an addition. If I'm not mistaken, the third reaction is then only visible to the team?

[icy lion]

No, we can see the reaction too

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message can someone explain how this is a good change?

[night obsidian]

Okay, I understand. It's a shame that so many of the feedback is not considered as a good addition, I think there is so much good stuff in there. But I guess there are certain reasons for certain decisions. Thanks for answering 🙂

[night obsidian]

I think the problem lies in not having enough food for deino. I dont think changing the location both beipi and deino is living in would change very much. There is just not enough food that is given by AI overall.

[woeful latch]

i mean, how removing a beipi from deinos diet will help deino not to starve?

[night obsidian]

Altough I think beipi should indeed not be on deinos diet list. Simply for the reason that it almost gives them no food value and I would expect them to just coexist. Or at least taking beipi of his diet list at a certain growth stage, when he is to big to actually fill it's stomach with a beipi

[woeful latch]

i mean, not every croc is a fully grown, beipi is a good snack for a sub

[night obsidian]

I dont think that will change much, no. Deino will still starve because there are not enough AI

[woeful latch]

removing the only other semi-aquatic in the game from the diet is bad

[night obsidian]

Yes as I said, take it of the list at a certain growth stage

[woeful latch]

i mean.. idk really, i would honestly want everything to stay as it is right now

[night obsidian]

I don't lmao. But that makes you the happier person I guess hahah

[woeful latch]

i’m not even a croc player, but that just sounds wrong, why would they remove the only other semi aquatic from the deinos diet? and coexisting doesn’t make any sense, because there’s no reason to coexist. also removing the beipi will make the deino suffer even more

[rancid talon]

#general-feedback message @shrewd sphinx could make it so it is based off of your nutrients. If you have 100% in protein, carbohydrates, and lipids, then it will take way longer to vomit, however if you have 0% in the three nutrients the you will vomit alot sooner

[latent olive]

actually, beipi and deino can have a pretty good coexistence in that players on land will see a beipi, assume it means the water is safe because why else is the bird swimming, then they drink

only for a deino to snatch them from the river edge

from like 40% onwards, it’s not worth trying to eat a beipi because they’re too small to provide benefits

[indigo gulch]

Done that once, was funny :3

[indigo gulch]

This tbh

[night obsidian]

exactly

[woeful latch]

i mean, when i think about the coexisting i think about mechanics, they can basically do the same thing you said right now, so removing the beipi from the crocs diet is unnecessary

[rancid talon]

#general-feedback message @night obsidian You aren't part of the dev team for giving feedback bro. But the devs do, in fact, read the chat? They just don't reply because why would they? It's feedback, it's not a channel where you can ring a bell so the devs get to work on what you want in the game like they work for you. The entire point of that channel is to just get a feel for how the community might respond about certain things so that they can avoid or aim for it in future updates. It's just a resource for them to use. Seen so many posts in that channel giving the devs grief and it's just unfair

[neat scroll]

To add to that- pretty much no other game has a forum like that for player feedback that gets put directly in front of the devs in such a way. You don't complain about Minecraft or Marvel Rivals for their decisions even though they are objectively worse off in comparison to the isle in regards to community being able to connect with developers.

We as players are not entitled to direct the game in any way, and the majority of the games do not extend that benefit. It's a privilege to be considered, and it does not need to be afforded to us if we're assholes about it.

Especially considering the majority of what ends up in the channel could be more so considered venting than overarching feedback. People die, get mad, go to feedback and complain about the feature they died to because it disadvantaged them. I wouldn't pay attention to that with posts coming in every hour either.

[chilly ermine]

I hadn't thought about the stomach size issue. Good point

[lime nexus]

As a deino main I barely even touch beipis, not sure why tho maybe it’s like a pet for me 😂 I call them Uber eats, sometimes they bring me fish

[green niche]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1331313667484155999
wait inherit one every time one reaches adulthood? so if i nest 50 babies to adulthood i can get 50 mutations

[thick summit]

No

The bonus slots

[hollow mirage]

Good i like

[eager socket]

Prolly meant 3 like baby can get

So that you don’t gotta slay yourself to get the extra benefit

@normal steeple while I’m all for grazing being more functional having it serve exclusively as food with no diet benefits leaves little reason for growing anything to do it even if they are big.

[normal steeple]

i said fresh grass could give nutrients at a very minimal amount. grass should serve for satisfying your stomach enough whilst u rely upon nutrient items to attain growth bonuses etc.

[eager socket]

It being the main food as the diet system stands and the growth time of apex’s would be hell

[normal steeple]

mm i feel if the food value of the current main food and dietary items is diminished it could definitely work. assuming where it rains there'd be both dietary items and fresh grass in abundance it could ease up the pain of having to run around eating a million bushes or fruit, with the only downside being the high predator concentration in your area.

[bold oasis]

@vapid surge love that idea so much. That’s just some major immersion quality of life stuff that I love

[eager socket]

I just don’t see the value in changing it

[chilly ermine]

@hollow jetty #general-feedback message

This behavior is actually called gaping. It's a method of regulating body temp. I think it looks cool and adds to the immersion personally and it shows the deino is resting and not just sniffing (change in damage if attacked).

[hollow mirage]

#general-feedback message 🤯

[bold lodge]

So real

[minor fern]

does anyone know if the canni mut is still in the game? iveb een trying to get it on all kindsw of dinos. ive killed and eaten so many people and still ahvent gotten it. im starting to think ive gone mad

[white elm]

I think it's bugged

[minor fern]

as in youve tried to get it aswell?

nice scam

[white elm]

Just from what I've seen from other people

[north quiver]

yep it’s possible #general-feedback-discussion message

it’s like 11 or 12 or so stomach fills for 23% growth iirc?

[minor fern]

so is just a pain in the ass

[north quiver]

doesn’t sound like much but it’s a lot. three adult body worths

[minor fern]

how tf can anyone do that before subadult?

[north quiver]

if you have friends to suicide their adult bodies at a salt rock for you

[minor fern]

pointless

but thank you for the info. i was wasting so much time on it

[north quiver]

or if you get lucky and keep finding plenty of hefty bodies of your own species to eat and vomit then heal the sickness to keep eating

[north quiver]

👍

[minor fern]

did you spend time to figure this out?

if so youre goated

[north quiver]

yea I wanted to see how insufferable getting the mut was lol

[minor fern]

just to be sure can you get it in any other slot other then the second? or is it second only?

[north quiver]

second slot only. so the moment you hit 100% growth is the moment you lose all ability to get it

[minor fern]

lame

[north quiver]

used to you were able to just spawn in, grow a little, suicide at a salt rock, then eat the body to get the mut but now that’s not possible because of the stomach scaling with growth and also because of questionable food values

how a carno can fit an entire 700kg fully grown dilo in its stomach from 0 hunger is beyond my comprehension lol

[minor fern]

yeah i hope that its something they over looked and plan to fix

[mortal parrot]

@woeful latch Removing Dilo's main mechanic is not a great idea

[thick summit]

I love playing dilo...but it should get either fixed ASAP or removed

Until it's fixed ofc

[mortal parrot]

No one would play Dilo then

[woeful latch]

better than making the whole roster suffer

if the mechanic doesn’t work it should be temporary removed and fixed

[mortal parrot]

This is an early access game, there is gonna be bugs, and if the ai was visible it wouldn't have changed much

[woeful latch]

it’s not as much about ai as about 2 bites = death

i know it’s an early access, that’s why removing and fixing stuff is fine

[mortal parrot]

Venom applied scales with weight, time, and locational damage

[woeful latch]

takes 1-2 bites to make anything purple envenomed and spawn infinite amount of clones.

[mortal parrot]

Then suggest they increase the cooldown for clones

[white elm]

Its not like Dilo is incompetent without clones

[woeful latch]

like if you got bitten by the dilo during night time you’re dead, you’re basically dead

[mortal parrot]

"Night Terror"

[woeful latch]

i did, i suggested fixing mechanic, but temporary removing it, because it’s so game breaking

[white elm]

a meta carnivore to rival C who shall not be named

[mortal parrot]

Most of the stuff in the game is within its weight range

[woeful latch]

dilo either should be fixed asap or if they’re not planning to fix it any time soon they should just remove the clones honestly.

like the clones like that since october 2024, still not fixed

if they’re not planning to do that, if they’re busy doing other stuff they should at least remove the clones

please, i don’t want to lose 1000+hp from 2 dilo bites

[white elm]

good and skillful gameplay

[mortal parrot]

Just avoid them

[white elm]

They're invisible sometimes???

[mortal parrot]

I'm talking about the Dilos trying to bite

[woeful latch]

and its when the dilo alone, if there’s 4 dilos you will get 12 clones running after you each dealing 85 damage and + the ones that spawn passively

[woeful latch]

wait you do realize that dilos are one of the fastest dinos in the game? and they also have the fastest bite force? like even if you play perfectly you just cant escape it

[mortal parrot]

Fast doesn't make them impossible to dodge

[white elm]

They can be invisible... in that situation you can't dodge.

[mortal parrot]

The Real Dilos

[woeful latch]

it does lol, it does

[mortal parrot]

So I must have been hacking since I managed to avoid getting bit by 2 Dilos chasing me as a Juvie Raptor?

[woeful latch]

i mean, the carno and galli can probably run away, omni can outmaneuver, but what about the rest of the roster?

[woeful latch]

that literally doesn’t mean anything

[mortal parrot]

You said it was impossible

[woeful latch]

like you’re saying 2 bites = death is fine, because you can EASILY avoid the dilos?

[mortal parrot]

At night it's understandable

[woeful latch]

it’s literally not lmao

[white elm]

No it's not? The clones just keep coming, and coming, and coming, and coming,

[woeful latch]

how is that balanced?

[mortal parrot]

If you got bit by a Dino that causes hallucinations thats on you

[woeful latch]

didn’t expect that from you, you’re pretty competent in balance discussions usually

[white elm]

jesus christ cheesy

[woeful latch]

jesus christ indeed

[indigo gulch]

Individually, yes it sounds fine. But 1-2 bites+infinite amount of clones+a lot of damage from clones+ straight up invisible clones and them reaching you on trees or rocks is too much too justify with “just run”

[woeful latch]

even jesus won’t save you from dilo clones

[limber hull]

dilo needs an entire rebalance. the value it gets is absolutely nuts, and honestly, it's entire combat is somehow less engaging than legacy's, which is WILD

[woeful latch]

ikr you can’t call that balanced, it’s not good, it’s not fun

[indigo gulch]

“If you get bit by one of the fastest dino’s in the game, that’s on you” are…are you sure that’s the hill you’re taking your stand on?

[mortal parrot]

Carno is one of the fastest and they're easy to dodge

[white elm]

Dilo can still hunt if its clones are temporarily removed, but its prey CANNOT fight back in this condition

[woeful latch]

this is pretty much the same feedback i wrote few months ago, people were so happy dilo got buffs they downvoted the post xd

[woeful latch]

that’s why making one dino temporary bad is better than making the rest of the roster die to 2 bites

[limber hull]

like dilo is BIZARRE. Cerato was pretty close to a legacy 2 animal, but charge bite, body buff, bile and the other stuff make it stand out enough to not be the "run and bite animal", but that's almost entirely effectively what dilo is. The most engagement it does is literally pressing RMB on cooldown, because there is functionally zero reason to hold the charges.

Yes, its venom does stuff to the opponent and interacts with time of day, but dilo's way of applying it is literal legacy combat, and that still doesn't change the fact that dilo's RMB is by far the least interesting special ability ever added to any dino because there is functionally never a reason to not press it

[mortal parrot]

Made a list on how easy each Dino is gonna avoid Dilo

[indigo gulch]

That’s 1 dino. What about the rest? Cuse that’s not “on you” if you get outsped

[white elm]

That's still ONE dino instantly dying to a matchup with no real way to fight back because????

[limber hull]

dibble is hard to avoid????

[mortal parrot]

Omni vs everything smaller than it

[white elm]

I have a problem with that too

[mortal parrot]

gotta Rephrase it

[indigo gulch]

Omni doesn’t run away that easily from dilo ngl

[limber hull]

nah its pretty easy imho

[woeful latch]

my friend was hunting fg deino on land as a dilo pack, they bit it and got it to low hp with just the clones, sick, like just imagine the damage

[mortal parrot]

If in a good spot is just everything that can jump pretty much

[limber hull]

the maia part i disagree with tho. Maia is absolutely screwed by dilo most of the time, I'm surprised that it's not on the same level as dibble lol

[indigo gulch]

Wait can the clones hit you in the water?🤣

[mortal parrot]

Fast and fast swimmer

[woeful latch]

avoiding dilos as maia honestly impossible, same for the teno, they bite so fast, while you concentrate on one of them the second one bites you while your kick is one cooldown

[limber hull]

Terrible agility and night vision. Genuinely, dilo does crazy work at melting it

[mortal parrot]

Jump on a rock as Teno

[woeful latch]

yes, on rocks too, on trees

[woeful latch]

it’s too situational, it’s not how balance should work

if only the rocks were everywhere, but they’re not.

water is situational as well

[limber hull]

extremely situational now with how little rocks exist on the map nowadays

[mortal parrot]

Rock was an example, there are other things to jump on

[indigo gulch]

Like?

[woeful latch]

for example?

[limber hull]

name them lol

[mortal parrot]

Logs, human buildings, Crates, Railings on the bridges, tree branches, the side of cliffs, dams

[indigo gulch]

Tree branches? Pardon?

[white elm]

Teno isn't getting up most of these 😭 🙏

[woeful latch]

this is soo situational, holy

[gritty kernel]

not like teno can't kill a dilo with a few kicks anyway

[white elm]

THE CLONES PERSIST AFTER DEATH

[indigo gulch]

Would be funny af to see fat teno on a itty bitty branch🤣

[limber hull]

you're going to avoid a dilo on a log?

how often do you see human buildings, crates and bridges that they're reliable?

a teno is jumping on a tree branch? huh?

side of the cliff to commit suicide before the dilo can kill you sounds like the only option here tbh

[woeful latch]

yeah doesn’t matter if you kill the dilo, the clones will keep spawning

[indigo gulch]

It gets bit once or twice and never sees the dilo again

[woeful latch]

until its daytime

[mortal parrot]

I never specified just Teno when I said this

[indigo gulch]

OOF the last part🤣

[woeful latch]

how that can justify 2 bites to kill?

[mortal parrot]

We have tons of similar stuff in game

[indigo gulch]

Okay, but that just proves our point of too situational

[gritty kernel]

the dilo will have to go in again though and then have the chance to die again

[woeful latch]

for example?

[woeful latch]

no, it doesn’t have to, the clones keep spawning even without the dilo doing anything

[indigo gulch]

Nope. Once you’re envenomated, it just spams clones

[mortal parrot]

Omni Pounce, Herrera Divebomb, Deino Lunge, Dibble basic attack, and Cera's Charge bite

[gritty kernel]

No like if the dilo bites you and runs away there is a set time for when the target goes back to green and you can't spawn clones

[mortal parrot]

It's survival, of course these things are gonna be situational

[woeful latch]

you do realize that dibble is slow, cera is slow, deino is in the water, herrera is on trees, and omni can really only pin juvies or galli that can easily outrun it. everything you said doesn’t make ANY sense.

and doesn’t justify what dilo has

[limber hull]

honestly i genuinely want the ENTIRE laugh ability to be reworked. It is the literal absense of anything engaging or skill based

[woeful latch]

same, i don’t like it

[limber hull]

if your entire survival against a creature less than half your weight is "situational", that's a problem

[desert arch]

This convo feels like the old powerswing stego vs fresh release dibble matchup lol

[barren crater]

Any other playable would have been nerfed for the crimes dilo is currently committing

[mortal parrot]

Cera

[barren crater]

Cerato has been nerfed

[mortal parrot]

Barely

[limber hull]

It has though

[barren crater]

What changes has dilo had?

nerf *

[desert arch]

At least cera doesnt kill you remotely and without a chance to escape

[barren crater]

^

As much as I dislike Cerato, you can run from it lol

[mortal parrot]

sometimes

They should reduce its hunger time

[limber hull]

why???

[barren crater]

I think cerato needs some changes but at the end of the day, they need to actually interact with you

[limber hull]

like... that's not even fixing the problem lol

[barren crater]

And I can run from it as literally any other playable that isn't diablo, stego and deino

Dilo is genuine bs. One bite at night and you're cooked

[white elm]

and those demolish cera

[barren crater]

I bit a teno on the head and it was immediately purple like what

[mortal parrot]

It has the ability to eat everything and has one of the slowest hunger times in the game making scavenging and corpse bullying not really a thing needed to do

[desert arch]

One bite from a dilo at night getting my cera to stage 3 instantly 🥹

[limber hull]

Plus, its core mechanic is just not... engaging? For either side?

Like... Every other playable has something with their RMB that requires timing or situational awareness. Dilo you literally just spam it whenever it's off cooldown

[barren crater]

i promise it's fair

[barren crater]

🗣️

[limber hull]

And by reducing the hunger time, it literally changes none of that, it just makes cera more frustrated and encouraged to kill even more to fill its vast stomach

[mortal parrot]

Cera is a cannibal so there would be more population control

mega packs would be less of an issue

[limber hull]

lol because cannibalism has worked so well for population control in the past

[mortal parrot]

Cera's hunger time is 60 minutes, barely has to worry about food

[limber hull]

That's pretty average if not low

[barren crater]

There should be cannibalism tiers!

Cerato shouldn't get diet from eating their own kind! but deino should

[frank tapir]

did you mean increase?

[mortal parrot]

Omni and Herrera is 40

[barren crater]

?

[limber hull]

Pretty sure that's objectively untrue

[barren crater]

it is objectively untrue

Herrera used to have a 40 minute hunger timer and it was buffed

[mortal parrot]

It's still fast

[limber hull]

Both carno and cera starve just as fast actually

[barren crater]

and omni has had an hour hunger timer for a life time

[mortal parrot]

I might have just been thinking about Herrera then

But Herrera's is insanely fast

[limber hull]

Not really no

It is mildly faster than the norm

And around the same speed as omni's

[barren crater]

i would be interested to see a cerato with a 50 minute hunger timer lol

[mortal parrot]

I would like it to be faster, strange for it to have the ability to eat everything and have a pretty slow hunger drain

[limber hull]

It has like... Average hunger drain

[mortal parrot]

Is there a chart?

[barren crater]

Carno used to have a 45 minute hunger timer

[limber hull]

Like it starves as fast as carno, troodon and dilo iirc

[barren crater]

from launch to early gateway

[desert arch]

Troodon has one of the slowest drains, at like 1h 15m iirc

Troodon hunger drain my beloved

[woeful latch]

wow

[mortal parrot]

Still sounds like too slow for Cera

[woeful latch]

well theres at least something troodon is good at

[desert arch]

Exactly, and you can fill half ur hunger with a frog lol

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[woeful latch]

thats sick!

[woeful latch]

not you killing my teno with your troodon

[mortal parrot]

An entire Horde can get a ton of food from organs

[white elm]

10. minute. cera food drain.

[desert arch]

Only if troodon could drag organs out of creatures bigger than 1.3T...

[limber hull]

Anyway point is if you wanna nerf cera dont just make it needlessly stressful and annoying

ALSO BACK TO THE INITIAL POINT, DILO'S GAMEPLAY IS ASSSS

[mortal parrot]

Reducing the hunger timer would work

[desert arch]

We already had a land apex with fast hunger drain, and it sucked

[mortal parrot]

Deino?

[desert arch]

You had to camp hotspots as carno back on spiro just to not starve

[limber hull]

Brother.

Come on.

[desert arch]

6.5 carno with 30 min hunger time

[limber hull]

^

[mortal parrot]

I started playing shortly after 6.5 released

[woeful latch]

tbf chaning ceras food draing doesnt sound that wrong, like imo 45 minutes is fine, since it can eat a lot of food that other carnivores cant (rotten, bones) and its also a cannibal. and making it hungry more often might force it to body bully more often
but its just my theory what will happen, need others oppinion on that

[white elm]

Literally just give Cera the SLIGHTEST stam penalty on releasing charge bite and its suddenly a lot more balanced

[limber hull]

And cera has a MASSIVE stomach too. It eats more than most other creatures do for its size, so by reducing its food time, you're just effectively making it insanely stressful

Which is the objective opposite of what you want a game to do

[woeful latch]

hmm

[mortal parrot]

I think having the bacteria apply the same as a regular bite when using charge bite is good

[limber hull]

Cera's entire niche is that it eats so much more than its peers need to to fill up. It's literally explained in the dossier

[white elm]

also make its charge bite take longer to max out

[woeful latch]

hmm. alright.

[limber hull]

Like if you wanna go after cera, be my guest, but don't smack down on quality of life

[mortal parrot]

It also says that it has a hard time managing large packs

[desert arch]

I mean, it would, if it wasnt able to absolutely melt anything that comes near it

[limber hull]

^

[desert arch]

Especially in a pack

[limber hull]

More on it being a force of nature than it being survivable

[mortal parrot]

Fair enough

[limber hull]

Hell, the one thing cerato is SUPPOSED to do is be survivable

[woeful latch]

it also says its weak for its size, none of this is true, dondi changed his mind like million times

[barren crater]

should have seen it earlier. There was a pack of 7+ (hacker was saying 11) in some random isolated pond in the northernmost part of the map.

[woeful latch]

tho i understand that ecosystem kinda needs a stronger predator, i feel like a cera basically took allos role

[mortal parrot]

Most memorable thing from that

[barren crater]

funny ai

[desert arch]

Like, theres no way in hell you could sustain 4 ceras on scavenging alone, even with cannibalism it would probably be iffy

[limber hull]

Oh yea. The AI

Finally, people got their wish and got AI spawns, and I absolutely hate it

[woeful latch]

i hate ai changes.

[limber hull]

People wanna play their carnivores as PvE for some reason

[woeful latch]

like you know something is wrong when you can easily sustain 7 member carno pack

[barren crater]

funny thing is, I didn't kill a single player growing my omni early today. Even grew a carno without hunting a player

[mortal parrot]

Now that I think about it more, Allo might seem to fix Cerato more than I thought

[barren crater]

like i guess it's fine for a solo / pair of omnis? but that should be the cap lol

[woeful latch]

thats what people do sometimes, there was a giant carno overpack on eu5 and they were so chill, just running around, nesting and chatting, didnt even kill my juvie teno

[barren crater]

Not a chance

[limber hull]

not how that works at all

[woeful latch]

tho i came back in 2 hours and killed half of them

[barren crater]

Allo will be its own hell

[limber hull]

allo will just replace the issue, it wont fix jack

[woeful latch]

yes

[white elm]

I just came across this clearing while playing the humble Teno... I didn't do anything to lure extra pigs, they were just THERE

[mortal parrot]

Yeah, fixes the issue with the Cera population

[barren crater]

If allo has omni's grapple maths, 2 juvi allos at around 700kg could nuke your cerato

[white elm]

Cera is a fundamentally flawed critter

[limber hull]

then you'll be asking for allo to starve faster

[woeful latch]

with adding something even stronger?

[barren crater]

since they've said time and time again that allo will also grapple

[mortal parrot]

Mostly makes sense for Cera because it can eat everything

[barren crater]

i want 2t allo max lol.

[woeful latch]

i think it will be heavier

[limber hull]

same, but it seems many people don't

[white elm]

WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE BOARS BEING EVERYWHERE THEY ACTIVELY DECREASE QUALITY OF LIFE AS A YOUNG HERRERASAUR

[barren crater]

they'll understand when the servers are 90% allo

[mortal parrot]

I will still be Troodon

[woeful latch]

i dont mind 2t allo, but i dont think they will actually do that

[limber hull]

because carno and cera should be easy grows

[woeful latch]

i would rather have smaller allo so i have cool teno vs allo fights

[barren crater]

real

[woeful latch]

but i have a crazy theory

[white elm]

😭

[white elm]

Allosaurus jimmadseni moment

[barren crater]

Galli stocks are real though. Imagine a flock of 10 running around after allos

[woeful latch]

so they changed tenos tailslam and it can now stun things up to 2.4t
maybe its so it can stun an allo??111!

oh wrong reply

[barren crater]

Teno has always been able to stun up that high

[woeful latch]

no

it couldnt even knockdown other teno before

[limber hull]

hell, with current AI, if allo IS introduced soon, it's going to be nice and easy for 75% of the server to play 😊

[barren crater]

yeah? Used to stun much larger stegos with teno

Now I need an update 4.5 clip!

[woeful latch]

idk really, but they buffed the tail slam recently

tho the damage is STILL 100 HOLY SHT PLEASE AT LEAST 150

[mortal parrot]

I got nothing else to say

[white elm]

I love when I can support large carnivores purely off of AI 🥰 🥰 🥰 🥰 🥰 🥰 🥰 🥰 there's no risk of starvation anymore yay 🥰 🥰 🥰 🥰 🥰 🥰 🥰 🥰 🥰 🥰

Even if I ACTIVELY avoid a boar there's always three more boar corpses ahead of me

jesus. christ.

I want to feel GOOD when I get food and make it to live another day

[woeful latch]

i have a funny jesus gif with dondis face

[limber hull]

herbivores don't starve as easy as carnivores its not fair carnivores should have it just as easy if not moreso

they are cool and eat meat

[white elm]

b-but have you considered that herbivores are OVERPOWERED??????????????????? /sarc

[woeful latch]

do you guys expect grazing nerf soon? we're getting new grass after all

[mortal parrot]

Made this a while ago

[woeful latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232185340425404427/1324844582935986247/imageedit_18_3069743454.gif

this gif is super rare btw

[white elm]

nope, just saved it, means you will be seeing it 10 times more

[woeful latch]

😭 😭 😭 😭

alright we should actually spread it and make a meme

[mortal parrot]

Sounds like a NFT

[white elm]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-stop-fighting-roblox-stop-fighting-gif-14931244101664436922

[woeful latch]

dw i got something special for you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232185340425404427/1324844661797294170/imageedit_19_2009532853.gif

same gif but ten times smaller

[white elm]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-with-dinosaurs-walking-with-dinosaurs-movie-pterosaur-fall-over-gif-757777549442578042

[mortal parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232185340425404427/1324844661797294170/imageedit_19_2009532853.gif

[white elm]

intriguing

[woeful latch]

the isle jesus

the isle jesus

[mortal parrot]

Troodon

This isn't even feedback anymore

[woeful latch]

im stealing this one

[white elm]

https://tenor.com/view/spto-scott-pilgrim-scott-pilgrim-takes-off-envy-adams-even-she-was-weirded-tf-out-gif-15109650988715259582

[woeful latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1323729644285071391/1323990674575589459/TroodonCake.gif

[barren crater]

I hope so lol

[woeful latch]

this is my favorite troodon gif

[white elm]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-the-isle-gmod-troodon-troodon-the-isle-dilophosaurus-gif-9629496049012538059

[woeful latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232185340425404427/1324844763618476052/imageedit_20_5762493019.gif

[limber hull]

if we get a grazing nerf and not an AI nerf im gonna lose it

[barren crater]

both!

[mortal parrot]

I think playable dino ai is planned soon

[limber hull]

god no

[barren crater]

There's genuinely no hunger fear in this game lol

[limber hull]

dont remind me

[woeful latch]

tbf not like grazing is super useful, but dont really want major nerfs

[limber hull]

genuinely the endtimes approaching

[mortal parrot]

They looked good too, Amarok was trying to get them to drink and call back

[barren crater]

I think it's very useful tbh

[woeful latch]

yeah ai teno was actually better brawler than most of the real players lol

[limber hull]

they looked good for dino AI. They'd look even better if they were anything else

[woeful latch]

ai looking pretty smart

tho i still dont want ai dinos in the game

[barren crater]

If dino ai is going to exist, it should at worst be tied to server population. Anything beyond 25 players should mean that that dino ai disappears. Same with any ai larger than a goat

[limber hull]

still not smart enough to actually add more real interaction for players to the game, and still acts as food buffer for animals who dont need it

[woeful latch]

i would rather want ai to be used in singleplayer the isle, just imagine that, i would actually love it lol

[limber hull]

thats fair

i want dino AI for unofficials and thats about it

[woeful latch]

thats for sure

@limber hull what do you think about them making the singleplayer version of the isle?

[white elm]

I WANT TO HUNT PLAYERS GRRRRRRR I WANT TO KILL A HUMAN BEING WHO IS PLAYING THIS GAME GRRRRRRRRRR

[limber hull]

sounds absurd to me

[woeful latch]

hm

[white elm]

Saurian

[limber hull]

like why would you want that lol

[white elm]

bottom text

[woeful latch]

idk really, to simulate an ecosystem without actual players

[limber hull]

i want a human-only server with a bunch of AI dinos to substitute actual dinos, that'd be cool

[limber hull]

there's entire games for that which are literal ecosystem sims

[woeful latch]

i mean, i dont think that should be a priority but if they make that i would be more than happy

maybe its just me being introvert, i dont like playing with the other people, i would rather play alone.
and singleplayer would be awesome for me at least

[white elm]

again, these current spawns would be fine... for chickens and rabbits, NOT massive pigs

[woeful latch]

i like how on petits only small ai is enabled

[white elm]

wait really?

[woeful latch]

yes

[white elm]

so deer, pigs and goats are excluded?

[woeful latch]

i mean, its 240 players server, you never really need ai to sustain yourslef

[woeful latch]

cant really remember what ai does exist, but im certain its only the small ones that actually spawn

[undone pewter]

that's not true btw

There are big ais

[woeful latch]

wait what? ive never seen any😭
and i asked people in chat and they said theres no large ai

maybe im just silly or unlucky, idk

[mortal parrot]

But it would make Herbivore gameplay more interesting

[limber hull]

it would do the literal exact opposite

[mortal parrot]

More things for Herbivores to fight sound nice

[limber hull]

herbivores are all about socialising with other herbivores. When half of those herbivores literally cannot talk/nest/group with you and do nothing but what they're programmed to, that's not interesting

[limber hull]

nah. sounds extremely dull tbh

[mortal parrot]

I meant for fighting the Carnivore ai

[limber hull]

you can also fight an actual carnivore

[mortal parrot]

Did you see the Carno on the Amarok stream, it looked like a real player

[limber hull]

there's no deficit of carnivore players

[limber hull]

i saw it. real player is a stretch

[mortal parrot]

acted like one, almost enough to be convincing

[limber hull]

it's in an extremely controlled environment which is literally nothing but flat grass vs a single omniraptor and nothing else to distract it

wow who woulda guessed the AI works better in that situation

[indigo gulch]

Optimal place for an omni ai🤣

I wonder if it would try to pounce on hills :3

[mortal parrot]

But it can have more people play Herbivore since they can do more

[limber hull]

give it obstacles, groups, other AI, other species, terrain, actual player strategy and then come back to me with how convincing the AI is.

[limber hull]

Brother it's going to do the opposite

Why would I play herbivore when there's even MORE AI food for carnis?

It's even easier to grow bigger and stronger carnis

[mortal parrot]

They can kill you

[indigo gulch]

So can players tho?

[limber hull]

^

[indigo gulch]

So what would that change?

[limber hull]

Hell, these AI dinos drop organs

[hybrid stratus]

I'm kind of missing a local chat that is interspecies for herbivores. I think that a global chat would work too but it would cause many problems like spam etc

[limber hull]

This is a big buff to easily growing larger, stronger carnis, and a nerf to herbivore interaction

It is literally an extremely anti-herbivore addition

[indigo gulch]

Please no. Let me have SOME element of surprise as a carnivore😭

[mortal parrot]

It is almost 4am

I should stop and go to bed

[hybrid stratus]

Its not about that. Its more that you can literally not talk at all.

[mortal parrot]

https://media.tenor.com/JBCYX4zLffgAAAAM/peace-disappear.gif

[indigo gulch]

Yeah. And why would you be able to?

[hybrid stratus]

I would prefer a global chat too but since that would cause many issues, i think that this could be a decent idea

[indigo gulch]

They tried global chat. Got toxic real fast

[limber hull]

Global chat is back on unofficials

[indigo gulch]

Yeah duh

[hybrid stratus]

Yeah thats what i said. Global would have too many issues so interspecies local would work good

[indigo gulch]

But then I just get “careful guys, there is X in X position”

[hybrid stratus]

Yeah thats fair

[indigo gulch]

ESPECIALLY as a deino player, that would SUCK

[woven bane]

it would enable mixpacking

[indigo gulch]

Oh yeah that too

[hybrid stratus]

But still, its so annoying when randoms youre teaming with are attacking your teammates just because you and them are fighting, or stuff like wanting to move into a different area etc

[hybrid stratus]

Mixpacking is already a thing. What would it change?

[woven bane]

making it way easier

to coordinate

[limber hull]

Devs already don't have an issue with multiple herbis work together so that doesn't really matter

[hybrid stratus]

Well yeah but most mixpacks simply hop on a discord and that is the same issue

[limber hull]

I still don't particularly like the idea but it's not because of mixpacking

[woven bane]

it breaks the balance

[hybrid stratus]

Lets be honest: most big mixpacks will not be just random people who find each other. They are organized groups in a discord so the whole "they'll mixpack" is not really an argument

[limber hull]

It's fun to have a bunch of dryos circle a stego real fast

That's basically what I do whenever I play dryo

[hybrid stratus]

I don't have that experience at all. To me it adds to the game honestly.

[woven bane]

i don’t mind mixherding when it comes to traveling etc, but when its about pvp there’s no defending it imho

[limber hull]

eh. i honestly rarely have that big an issue with it

the big boys tend to be too slow to do anything so i just kinda fight around them

[desert arch]

@cunning eagle ptera can regen stam by clinging above 20% stamina. And its actually pretty fast regen as well.

[cunning eagle]

my bad... thanks for letting me know lolll

[desert arch]

[woven bane]

yea that’s what i thought untill i got mobbed by a maia, pachy, dibble and a steg lmao

you can’t run or fight back

[indigo gulch]

Multiple herbis is not a problem, but interspecies also enables carni+herbi and I do find that dumb

[desert arch]

Me (maia) and 2 friends (teno and dibble) were doing some mixherding the other day. We absolutely demolished everything we came across, especially ceras, which felt awesome ngl.
But the point is, the things we killed were literally helpless, if they tried to run they would get ran down by me, if they stopped to try and fight me the teno would catch up, and if we were ever outnumbered the dibble could make them weak individually for me to chase down and kill.

[indigo gulch]

But yeah I stand by my point. As an ambush dino player, that kind of chat would ruin my existence and probably force me to starve without it being my fault.

[green niche]

#general-feedback message

With donkeys and horses:
Make donkeys 'stubborn' (read: smart) if you try to approach a cliff edge or something else dangerous they will refuse to go near. This can be helpful as an early warning system but beware when the donkey thinks there is danger when there isn't.
Horses will allow go over hazardous terrain however if a horse gets too scared it may buck you off and/or bolt. Generally quite useful but not quite something you want if the thing that spooked it is a pack of raptors or dilos...

[supple pine]

Oh, is that the cutoff? I thought it seemed like it worked sometimes but not others.

[supple pine]

I feel like herbivores shouldn’t chase to the death, but I guess doing so can put the herbi at risk of being cut off from its group if they bite off more than they can chew. And most other herbis aren’t that fast.

[supple pine]

I think it’d be funny if it was more restrictive than just herbis. Like, ceratopsians only chat, Styraco & Stego only chat, Hadrosaur only chat. That way fast herbivores like Maia can’t strategize with tanks like Stego, but can form herds easily with animals that are closer to conspecifics, and therefore have similar play styles.

You know how there are programs that can translate chat into different languages in relative real time, somewhat accurately?

What if interspecies chats had one of them on it, but makes other species more and more like caveman speak the further related the playables are? So a Stego listening in on an Omni pack would just be hearing a lot of, “Meat left. Far? No far. Ouch, Cliff hurt. Me water now.”

[thick summit]

I would

And dilo's venom is bugged

[hybrid stratus]

Oh hell yeah that sounds really good

[woven bane]

it dosent wym

[dawn hound]

bruh i accidentaly typed something i wanted to type here in general feedback ;-;

now i cant suggest, but ig that doesnt matter

anyways

@vivid mason https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1331313667484155999 youre a genius

[vivid mason]

tyty

[mystic aurora]

7-2022 the show barry progress 3 year later stil no barry 💀

hire more people moost die of old age

[covert tiger]

@signal iron optimize your PC
Idk what's wrong with it but that usage is definitely not the game's problem

Game is actually v well optimized at the moment
Most ppl with decent PCs get 60-80+ fps

[mystic aurora]

90% have wood

[desert arch]

The dev that makes the models only works on modeling, the model being done means nothing when the animation/programming team is busy doing something else.

And most of the models have been done ever since evrima came out pretty much

[mystic aurora]

still super slow up the price up the people working on it

[urban flax]

Economist way of thinking

[signal iron]

I can run the game on 120fps lol

I can run every game you can think of without it damaging my hardware like the isle does

No game in existence should use that much of your GPUS memory or CPU threads

[junior nymph]

what about cyberpunk 2077?

[signal iron]

My pc is optimised, in fact the person who set up all my BIOS is a family member who works with computers. It’s just the game

[signal iron]

Yes I can run cyberpunk and it doesn’t damage my pc like this game does

[junior nymph]

dang

[signal iron]

Open your task manager while playing the isle and look at the usage, the isle must be mining crypto on our graphics cards or something

[junior nymph]

shhh dont expose the devs lol

[signal iron]

Also I’m not sure if you’re aware of this but games graphics are either run on your cpu or graphics card

Or integrated graphics into a cpu if you’re on a laptop ig

But for some reason the isle uses BOTH cpu and gpu for graphics

[junior nymph]

ah

so thats not good correct

[signal iron]

Only reason I brought it to feedback is that it was damaging my pc so bad it literally turned off and went to orange boot light (memory issue)

It did it twice, and in my 6 years of building my own computers and playing games I’ve NEVER had that issue until this game

[eager socket]

I mean he isn’t wrong The isle envirma CPU and GPU usage is extremely heavy

[eager socket]

@barren kestrel randomly spawning on a group sounds like a easy way to be getting respawned a lot

[barren kestrel]

@eager socket like members of your own herd would kill you?

[eager socket]

“ randomly hatch into an existing herd”

[barren kestrel]

yeah

[eager socket]

They would absolutely kill you

[barren kestrel]

really?

[eager socket]

I can’t think of a player I’ve met, who wouldn’t kill a random hatchling that just spawns on them

[barren kestrel]

like wouldn't you want more members in your pack?

[eager socket]

No, a lot of people don’t

[barren kestrel]

especially since you went thru the trouble of building a nest and mating?

[eager socket]

A lot of people either are going to nest if they want more or just in the vc with the people they wanna play with

[woeful latch]

i never do that

[eager socket]

Plus with nesting, you can pick who you accept and don’t

[woeful latch]

i mean, i do but only to cera juvies

or if i’m nesting nearby

[eager socket]

I know people who nest constantly and they literally have a blacklist

So having people randomly spawn on their nest would be an Insta kill

[woeful latch]

lmao, everyone had the blacklist in legacy xdd

[eager socket]

I mean, some people spawning just to troll so

Or our stream sniping for mega mix packs and what not

[woeful latch]

yeah yeah, people do that..

[barren kestrel]

nasty

[eager socket]

Imagine sweating that hard in a Dino survival game

But anyway, that’s my point

[woeful latch]

you can’t do that on petits btw, another reason it’s better

[barren kestrel]

well what if when you make a nest you get 3 spawns and thats it

[woeful latch]

can’t grief the nests

[eager socket]

Three of their eggs gone to a complete random that they didn’t accept

[barren kestrel]

i guess i don't understand the team killing obsession. i havent seen that myself

[eager socket]

There’s a good reason, the accept system exist

[eager socket]

It’s not even that I didn’t want this person on my team. I didn’t choose them. I didn’t pick them.

[barren kestrel]

you dont pick your kids in nature though

[eager socket]

We never allowed them. We didn’t get to choose because they randomly spawned.

[eager socket]

Nobody cares that much about realism

[barren kestrel]

hell you could fix that pretty quick by eliminating usernames

[eager socket]

That is a terrible idea

[barren kestrel]

everyone anonymous lol

[eager socket]

The amount of mix packers that’ll just have one person spawning on nest to the location drop would skyrocket

You’re literally asking for no one to nest

Anyone who nests on a consistent basis, could tell you that they at least have a few names of people that are banned from joining their nest

[barren kestrel]

i mean im a fairly new player so i guess i haven't run into any toxic players like that yet

that sucks that some people are trying to play a dino sim like call of duty

[eager socket]

Publicly nest on a nearly daily basis for over a week and you’ll find out real fast

You’re running into I’d say at least three or five either mix packing location droppers or a KOS baby who spawns just to kill all your other children

[barren kestrel]

ugh. thats terrible. sounds like there needs to be a serious mechanic alternation to compensate for that

[eager socket]

Na they got it the accept system

The ability to deny a egg to people

[barren kestrel]

meta gaming is not good game design

theres an organic, algorithmic solution to most gaming problems.

i mean creatures have assholes babies in real life too

[eager socket]

Not much you can do about that

[barren kestrel]

cowbirds kill all the other babies

[eager socket]

It on official atleast

[barren kestrel]

hamsters eat their children

you could very easily just look at nature for the answers to problems like that

[eager socket]

There are only like 2 species where it’s more rare to see it and that’s omni and dibble oddly enough

Omni is always a good nesting experience

Omni players standard of ethics is just better fr fr

[barren kestrel]

anonymous usernames would let people start with a clean slate too

[eager socket]

Ain’t no one want that

[barren kestrel]

i dont know if you speak for everyone in that regard

[eager socket]

You can fact check this to many have suggested no name tags on groups and what not MASS DOWNVOTES

I can speak from years of experience with this game and its community

[barren kestrel]

so what reason to people bother nesting if its just a model for exclusiveness?

quick spawns? is that the only reason to nest?

[eager socket]

Cuz they can nest friends as well public nesting can be good that’s why they have blacklists

[barren kestrel]

i see

[eager socket]

Same with omni omni mains tend to have lists for known cani omni players

Plus Gen two comes with perks

More mutations

[barren kestrel]

so theres more benefits to nesting then?

there should be boons to parents not children

nature rewards breeding and parenting. Being a child is jsut being a child

[eager socket]

Should he one to both

Nesting certainly needs more perks for doing it

[barren kestrel]

nah. if you're a horrendous child in nature you die

animals don't put up with nonsense like team killing. birds will throw violent hatchlings right out of their nests

but all animals want to propagate you know? i think there should be bigger rewards for players that nest. Have nests be spawning points for the same species. But idk. If the community is as twisted as you say maybe you're right.

[eager socket]

It’s not the hat often but it’s enough that allowing random spawning could be problematic

Nesting should def be more rewarding and I hope the elder system makes it something that is majorly beneficial to becoming a prime elder

[barren kestrel]

elder system? that sounds promising. haven't read about that yet

ever played planetside 2?

they have dynamic spawn locations that your team has to defend. You basically claim portions of the map through spawn points. I think nests in this game could work in a similar way

[eager socket]

Oh my freind you should visit #isle-discussion and ask for deets the elder system will be very fun

[eager socket]

I’ve heard of it

[barren kestrel]

So like, nesting would help to increase your herd's strength and population and give you a few spawn points for a while

[eager socket]

The elder system is meant to round out the play loop for your Dino after (. ) amount of time you’ll become a elder depending on how your Dino lived and what you did you’ll either become a prime elder live longer and become stronger or a frail elder and get weaker and be ready for the sweet embrace of death

[barren kestrel]

If a player succeeds in breeding and nesting they should be rewarded by being able to respawn as a bigger, stronger dino. If they die without reproducing, they should get bumped back down. That way even if they want to sabotage their own herd, they still have to live long enough to reproduce in order to play as a carnivore again, and with anonymous usernames, if they sabotage their herd they're just as likely to get mauled

[eager socket]

Oh hell no we had that in OG legacy

The reason growth times are as they are is to compensate for this

[barren kestrel]

had what? unlockable dinos?

[eager socket]

Progressive Dino unlocking

[barren kestrel]

what was it a reward for though?

if its not for breeding (i.e. creating new spawns points for the same species) then i can see why that would not have worked well

[eager socket]

Grow 1 Dino get points unlock next rinse and repeat

And it was hell

[barren kestrel]

what went wrong?

[eager socket]

The entire system was hell

Not enjoyable and made the servers just a lot of the same Dino

[barren kestrel]

predators or herbivores?

[eager socket]

Plus people would target baby’s of the bigger stuff to push them back

[eager socket]

BOTH

[barren kestrel]

every server i go to seems to be just carnivores

[eager socket]

Objectively carnivore is more fun

[barren kestrel]

that's not what "objectively" means but i do understand that

[eager socket]

Hunting and adventuring where as herbivores are slower tanker and little more land locked due to food requirements

[eager socket]

Read what I posted

[barren kestrel]

people should have to do their time as herbivores to earn carnivore time

[eager socket]

People would quit the game

[barren kestrel]

Not to step on your toes but "Objectively" means factually. mathematically. logically. "More Fun" is an opinion. Sorry. I'm a writer. words bother me 😛

[eager socket]

Not everyone enjoys or even wants to touch herbivore

[eager socket]

Grammar police and yet by the English language your wrong : /

[barren kestrel]

ok then?

well maybe in the far future most herbivores will be AI

[eager socket]

Na

[barren kestrel]

which seems less fun to me than having humans play as the "hiding" characters in the hide and seek game

[eager socket]

They just need to add more to the play loop

[barren kestrel]

for herbivores?

[eager socket]

Like dibble is fun af cuz you can spar in your feee time

[eager socket]

Yes

[barren kestrel]

mm yeah i agree

make herbivores more exciting will definitely help balance

[eager socket]

Yeah, the play loop for most herbivores is walk eat grow repeat

[barren kestrel]

right

[eager socket]

For carnivores it’s walk fight eat grow repeat

That extra step adds a lot

[barren kestrel]

i still think the idea of building an army of herbivores using nesting would add to gameplay value.

ranks, alphas, protecting new joiners

you could have fightts for mating rights

[eager socket]

Oh people do

Like I’m not against nesting having more advantages and benefits

[barren kestrel]

thats huge part of all animal lives

[eager socket]

But random nest spawning is just something that I would never agree with

[eager socket]

More play fighting would be huge

[barren kestrel]

i mean why exclude people? if a member of a herd gets uppity they get booted out

[eager socket]

If every animal had a sparing mechanic that would be a ton of fun

[eager socket]

Mix packing

[barren kestrel]

what is that?

[eager socket]

And KOS players

[eager socket]

Herbi and carni play g in same group

Telling locations

[barren kestrel]

oh meta gaming and such

[eager socket]

3 cera, 2 dibble

Mixing with the opposite diet

[barren kestrel]

yeah that's pretty difficult to police i guess. So here's my question, if i wanted to start my game as an egg in a random "public" nest how woudl i do that? is it advertised somewhere?

[eager socket]

Ya so people will post in #evrima-na and those channels depend on your TZ and location

[icy lion]

Anyone looking at the Eggs menu in the server can see public eggs as well

[eager socket]

As well when you load up and are at the spawn menu there is a eggs button and you can see if there are anyone nesting

[barren kestrel]

oh i didnt realize that

thats cool

[eager socket]

I’ve seen random public stego, Herrera, deino, omni ALOT OF
OMNI and teno

Teno and omni probably public nest the most

[barren kestrel]

im sad to hear about the meta gaming stuff. thats too bad. i really dont think theres any way of getting around that

even if you blanked out usernames altogether and only allowed local chat people would still find a way around it

[eager socket]

The only way would be to make it admin enforced which would put a lot of extra pressure on official staff

[barren kestrel]

yeah

i mean they'd have to actually prove that it was happening to.

[eager socket]

Yup

If you wanna avoid it, you can plan on unofficial

[barren kestrel]

well if you can't control it, you just find a way to live with it I suppose.

[eager socket]

But they come with a myriad of extra rules

[eager socket]

Yup

[barren kestrel]

i haven't played on the official servers yet only unofficial

[eager socket]

Yea it’s a whole different ball park

[barren kestrel]

the map is so enormous too. needs to be shrunk down the scope is really too big

I spent my first two hours just running around at full speed and then starved to death. Never saw another living thing

[eager socket]

Mor elike it needs to be adjusted so going else where can be enjoyable and viable

[barren kestrel]

Nesting would help with that. Spawn people where the action is

I get that some people want to be isolated but you could at least have everyone spawn in the same region so you don't have to trek across the country just trying to find another living creature

[eager socket]

They are gonna add group codes so you can all spawn same region

[barren kestrel]

oh very nice

[eager socket]

@wintry cipher so nesters?

Like nesting makes you remain in one spot for well over 5 minutes

Also what about things that are bigger and take longer to heal

What about deino camping out a pond

Unfortunately that would affect a lot of game play plus if someone wants to take the time to do max growth time enjoy your extra few hours of growing needed

[wintry cipher]

If your sitting on your nest for 5+ minutes in a single sitting those eggs are dead and overheated.

Adds to the risk of the game and makes things that heal slower reconsider getting into engagements. Most of the things that take a while to heal are fast and thus choose their fights. (Sans maia, who heals ridiculously quick). Slower dinosaurs should heal faster as a baseline because they do not often pick their engagements.

Why is a deino outside of water for an extended period that makes it lose almost all of its water and if for stam why is its stam not full by 5 minutes.

I dont see this affecting gameplay nearly as much as youd think. Plus, it would also emphasize changes that need to happen. No dino should have to sit for 5+ minutes to accomplish something meaningful in gameplay (cough ptera). If i wanted to spend 5 minutes doing nothing id play a game on my phone.

[indigo gulch]

counterpoint: What if you need to leave for a bit

and healing up can easily take 5 minutes

[eager socket]

Bro stego healing from red can take easily half an hour

[wintry cipher]

Simple fix could just be the server checks if you are at full hp and stam and only triggers if the player is full on both then?

[eager socket]

There isn’t a effective way they could implement a afk sniff without it affecting a lot of people over minor things

[wintry cipher]

To better differentiate who is afk vs who isnt

[eager socket]

Now that would be abit better but still nesting baby’s and 1 adult will move less than a few steps from nest

[wintry cipher]

As long as you stand up the timer would reset if its taking that long to get eggs to the right temp. Its only ever taken 2-3 for me and then im standing up guarding after so i dont get ambushed

[eager socket]

Not sitting on nest just sitting waiting for people to grow

[wintry cipher]

Why are you sitting and leaving yourself and your kids exposed when your kids are at their most vulnerable

[eager socket]

I can’t see the benefit of implementing something like this afk growing isn’t that common and they would just get up move and repeat anyways

So this would serve 0 purpose

[wintry cipher]

:shrug: thats fine for you to think

[eager socket]

But it’s fact

Even if they system existed the only people it’d affect are those taking a step away to grab a bite or drink or bathroom. Afk growers still gotta watch the Dino thirst and hunger

Easy enough to tap H twice every few minutes

@river idol beipi is tiny super tiny I’d bet that juvi was prolly like 100+ kg if they can’t pin that what would they be able to pin!?

It’s 101% which already made it harder to pin the bigger stuff anything their weight or smaller is either faster or has other ways to avoid them. Don’t get pounced .

[wooden agate]

101% is for grapple

pin is technically different (but often used interchangeably)

it takes 2+ omnis to initiate grapple

[eager socket]

Well for anything bigger than omni

So even if it’s 451kg grappling logic is immediately applied

Ex pachy and dilo

But like beipi is what 60 kg?

Or 80kg

I don’t remember exactly I know it’s extremely light weight

[eager socket]

@elfin brook planned for spawn codes so you can spawn in the same region

[river idol]

he was not that much bigger than me. the point is, if i couldve fought back he wouldve died

[elfin brook]

Oh fantastic I was not sure if it was a rumor or scrapped development idea. I had not seen much info on it when I searched.

[eager socket]

In size prolly in weight is a different story

[cold crater]

@pine bolt There already is a command

[neat scroll]

Yes, but it only works like 1/10 times, and if it does move you it oftentimes sticks you further inside the terrain. I think fixing the / unstuck would be a more apt suggestion

[green niche]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1331744834737672223
port does

[latent olive]

@leaden current what makes you think they dont ban hackers

[woeful latch]

what makes you think

[leaden current]

Because they don't know who is hacker or just good man

[woeful latch]

god i hope i’m good man🥹

[latent olive]

what

[icy lion]

Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers

[mortal parrot]

@bold lodge Cera can do that as long as the corpse is rotten

[eager socket]

@mortal parrot solid suggestion over all but you didn’t cook on removing the fog, fog is a massive benefit to your ability to remain tactical and in range without getting W key’d down

[mortal parrot]

I'll expand on it then

[mortal parrot]

Better?

[eager socket]

I really like the fog XD

[mortal parrot]

It is not great

[eager socket]

dilos entire venom system is different feels pretty unique to me

[mortal parrot]

Think about it, both are Night Terrors with Venom that creates hallucinogenic fog and the fog doesn't even fit Troodon's playstyle or design, Troodon's Venom feels like it affects the target physically instead of mentally like Dilo, it's suppose to rely on numbers to overwhelm the target not use the fog to be harder to spot

[mortal parrot]

Why do you like it?

[eager socket]

i play trio troodon and hunt dibbles.... it helps alot

[mortal parrot]

It doesn't fit or help Troodon

I noticed that it even makes them easier to spot

[mortal parrot]

You know it makes you easier to detect right?

[eager socket]

not a chance

[woven bane]

it should be able to do that on regular ones aswell, what’s the point of it yk

[mortal parrot]

The fog disables/reduces certain sounds like rain and waterfalls and makes certain sounds louder like footsteps

[eager socket]

hmmm

[mortal parrot]

I got proof

[eager socket]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i dunno i just like it being slightly harder to see us

[mortal parrot]

Barely

[latent olive]

@indigo kelp hell naw

[wooden agate]

@indigo kelp yknow i bring up this argument for incest babys as well but... why? why would i not just kill myself to get rid of the unluckyness?

[white elm]

...incest babies??

also RNG is yucky, we don't like RNG here

[wooden agate]

people who adovocate for related babies to nest with defects being given to the hatchlings

[white elm]

It ain't ever that deep

[wooden agate]

like yeah, it sounds cool. it adds a bit of realism but also... why

[white elm]

A mechanic like that is so unnecessary

[indigo kelp]

It's just an idea, relax. There are definitely things to refine. Just tired of the game being too homogeneous and having no differences within a group of the same species.

[urban flax]

Reading this siggestion gave me physical pain

[indigo kelp]

And it's certainly not a priority, but just an idea I put out there, maybe one day I'll get an answer.

[white elm]

I'm talking about the incest one

[limber hull]

want animals slightly deviating from each other? mutations

[eager socket]

Ah yes DESTROY GAME BALANCE

[indigo kelp]

oh okay

[indigo kelp]

the isle is not balance 🤷‍♂️

[limber hull]

so... make it less balance?

[eager socket]

How so

[limber hull]

@cold crater what makes you think they dont permanent ban hackers

[cold crater]

They were some Mexicans hacking on an NA server some weeks before Christmas. They were banned but they came back. We need to put a stop to it for good

[limber hull]

thats probably because they buy new accounts after they get banned

[cold crater]

@worldly rock You do realise this is a dinosaur game and those animals didn't exist then.

[white elm]

Pigs, deer, goats, etc are in the game right now??

[latent olive]

bro.......

[cold crater]

@onyx ridge People who can't type things as a suggestion should have their comment deleted.

[cold crater]

I'm not your brother

[latent olive]

you DO realise what this game is about, right

because uh, its not a dinosaur specific game

[white elm]

the... lore...

[latent olive]

and its very much set in the modern day, because i dont think the tyrannosaurus rex could invent these objects
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059199407091888239/1085587522417078344/2021_Env_Concept_Human_Road_1.png?ex=67930aea&is=6791b96a&hm=6505a51cdcdcff9205846bdb309484fea0b246f1768aca2bf838e1198ef6ef14&

wrong image but itll work

i meant this image
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1147161198408781864/1147219844727570443/edfbd083ad23f6f8844dca1ce61f9bf8183b9899.png?ex=6793237d&is=6791d1fd&hm=2ee59a1f0a14ab225058934debab1ec78718f4fd152ca8be30d21cfe9d95193a&

[worldly rock]

You do realize the game is set in the modern day and that they are adding humans to the game.

[junior nymph]

lol

[latent olive]

do YOU realise

[junior nymph]

do you realize that real eyes?

[white elm]

you would not believe your eyes

[junior nymph]

I believe my eyes

[white elm]

if 10 million fireflies

[limber hull]

bug spray

[green niche]

#general-feedback message

Im assuming this means that the female will have the spikier plates and the male colour? Honestly yeah I would like this, it would look pretty and I'm always down to swapping gender expectations.

So, the reason males often have the bright colours is to show off their fitness - the female requires more energy to produce offspring and so wants the male to be suitably fit so she doesnt waste her energy on offspring that won't survive.

Thus, to keep to the realism aspect and justify why the female has display colours and the male doesn't, would mean finding a way to make it so that the male has to spend more energy than the female in producing offspring.
The two ways that I know of where this is done in the animal kingdom:

1. the female transfers the eggs to the male and the male becomes 'pregnant'
2. the male is the primary or sole caretaker of the offspring

[bleak vapor]

Ptera and stamina. Do you guys agree pterodons often struggle with their stamina too much? And what should be done?

Personally, I think flying on air should be more stamina efficient, specially climbing

Maybe increase taking off cost for a leveling

specially since Pteras used to use their chest muscles to take off, and not their legs as modern thick ass birds

[green niche]

pteradons def struggle with stam too much. They plan to add... air currents, i think? That let you gain height without using stam.

[bleak vapor]

yes, i remembered after sending the messages, still, would solve long travel to some extent

[cyan dew]

doesnt fix the main issue with PT IMO.. a 45kg animal has worse stam recovery than ones 10x its size or more. Air currents will use less stam, sure; the issue is the boring downtime for such a small playable. Perched in a tree for 50% of your engaging gameplay (not just floating around, because everything fun uses stamina) just isnt satisfying. If the PT was 500kg it would make more sense.. but the stam recovery for such a small animal kinda sucks.

and these air currents are in specific locations. They will be great for larger flyers down the road traveling long distances across map.. but that does nothing for PT right now. PT can already travel the map on 1 stam bar easily.. the problem is recovery time from my experience

[gloomy reef]

well this might start something

[junior nymph]

thermals and air currents will be added gaining PT hight and speed (in a current you will be at sprinting speed)

[indigo gulch]

VPN's exist tho, so what's your next step x)

[gloomy reef]

IDK whats the peoples next step?

make a chain of (not just "something ban" i say we "something ban" them)

[indigo gulch]

hardware ban + IP ban? Idk if that would work together tho

[gloomy reef]

Yes say Not just IP BAN, I say we HARDWAREBAN them

[indigo gulch]

I'll leave that to another x)

but feel free to use it

[gloomy reef]

[gloomy reef]

in 7 hours ish 😭

[indigo gulch]

well, you can link it to the others, so it won't get glossed over

[limber hull]

asking to ban cheaters is literally asking grass to grow

its going to happen

[thick summit]

I mean

I've seen more flying stegos lately than giant cera megapacks

Which says a lot

So they're not really wrong at all

[grizzled matrix]

Flying WHAT!?

[thick summit]

Stegos

[grizzled matrix]

💀

How is it even possible

[thick summit]

Idk

I play games the way they're supposed to be played

So I dunno

[woeful latch]

#general-feedback message mixed feeling about this tbh, maia indeed heals in like 5 minutes from red to full hp. but at the same time it has terrible bleed regen and bleed resistance, so i guess it’s fair it has good hp healing, but at the same time it kinda does heal too fast

idk, i’d like it have good healing, but the current one seems almost too fast

[golden horizon]

@signal iron

1. You can lock your fps to 60 instead of having it uncapped, since you're using 100% of your gpu, tells me you have it uncapped. I do this and I only use 40-50% of my gpu. Also make sure you're using optimized settings

2. You want gpu bottlenecking instead of cpu, because that means your cpu is not the hardware that is holding you back from peformance

3. Its dangerous for hardware to go above 80C and from the pixture you peovided, yours was only on 68C

[gloomy reef]

wel...

gulp

[hidden mist]

@midnight heath #general-feedback message I’m sorry for the ping, but with what dino was the screenshot taken? Maia?

[gloomy reef]

uh nah im pretty sure thats a stego

[leaden current]

@floral canopy why did u vote on X? I wanna listen ur opinion

[floral canopy]

because hackers deserve even worse fate than ban

[leaden current]

Oh cool

[hidden mist]

I see… Is it like that for the whole night though? On some other herbis the darkest hours are in between of 9 and 11 pm, for the other night hours I can see pretty well (with Teno, for example).

[midnight heath]

Stego! The other creature in there, the one next to me was a Maia though.

[hidden mist]

Oh, lol… On my phone it’s just a black screen xD

[midnight heath]

There were multiple Maias sitting with me but you can only see the eye glow of that one.

They were nesting, bonus points if you can tell where that nest is because it's in the picture!

[golden horizon]

Oh lord have mercy, on the bright side, if your cpu stops working you can always turn it into a cookingstove

I smell some overclocking of the CPU, is it a K version ?

@midnight heath
At what ingame time was that?
Its usually only that dark at the beginning and end of night, so this level of darkness should only last for couple of minutes and not the whole night.
Weather condition can also affect how dark/bright it gets

Also keep in mind Stego has the worst NV in the game, which is a fair trade off considering its the strongest atm

[tame jetty]

#general-feedback message Why are people even downvoting and so negative to a server setting? I dont get it lol.
Server setting legit means it wont be default, but a very convenient and needed setting for servers that want it enabled

• so no. Mixpackers and crazy packers in offical servers, wouldnt be even get advantages yall so afraid off they'd get by this setting because, devs wouldnt have it enabled simple.

[stable crow]

[white elm]

Maia is a hadrosaur, hadrosaurs are known for healing in games like JWA

It's kind of their thing to be good healers

[woeful latch]

meh ehh

[white elm]

Ehh... fair

I wouldn't mind if the healing was slightly reduced in exchange for stance switching while getting attacked

I know I bring it up a lot but I think that would be the most helpful buff you could reasonably give it right now

[fathom tulip]

It shouldnt need to exchange anything in order to stance change while being attacked. That's just purely a QoL feature. Feels more like a bug they just haven't fixed yet honestly

[white elm]

Fair

[woeful latch]

no i agree, that bug is annoying

(tho i never experienced it for some reason)

but i just believe you

[white elm]

Stomp damage is... pretty reasonable. I guess if I had to I'd make the alts in biped mode do more damage, since they're so slow?

Maia's behind alt in biped mode is the slowest alt in game, and only does around 100 damage

[fathom tulip]

The game also doesn't remember what stance you are in if you start swimming, you are automatically set to quadrupedal when you get back on land. Not to mention bugs like holding down calls makes the audio cut short, and attacks often dont have audio play at all

[woeful latch]

it does 200 👀

[fathom tulip]

Maia just needs bug work

[white elm]

Ah, I've been misinformed

[woeful latch]

oh wait, in biped

[white elm]

Yea

[woeful latch]

it could actually be 100

[white elm]

That really slow back stomp with the front limbs

[woeful latch]

idk really, i know the quad alt is 200

[fathom tulip]

Does Maia have go-to attacks like Teno does?

[woeful latch]

yes, but not behind its back, so no kicks

but, it can still kick while trotting, not while it’s running tho

[white elm]

From what I've heard, do the tap lmb in quad mode to knock over prey (the double stomp/running stomp), and then the hold LMB to finish it off.

I've only really been trying to do the RMB shove in biped mode to stomp

I'm growing a Maia today to see how it fares. Last time, I got rolled by a Dilo and then Cera at around 80%

truth be told I haven't actually fought with maia much

But from what I have done with it, the back kicks are VERY hard to land

[woeful latch]

i’d say your main enemies are probably the carnos, there’s almost no way you can escape or fight one if you’re small

what i mean by small is below 3 tons xd

you swim better tho

[fathom tulip]

Is the biped running body-check any good?

[white elm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1329628833518977034/small_game_hunter.gif

[gloomy reef]

thats idle too

😭

[white elm]

If you can land it, yea

[fathom tulip]

I basically can't lol

[white elm]

me neither, biped maia is pretty clunky to control thanks to the turn nerfs

[fathom tulip]

The side it chooses should have been mapped to an addition arrow key (A or D) you press alongside W instead of where your camera is looking

It has the same issue I have with Dryo dodge in that regard

[bleak agate]

pounce could work similarly to grapple where you have to hold lmb/rmb to actually do dmg

[golden horizon]

I think it's just the idea of making mixpacking easier is very repulsive to people, since alot of people have had a very negative experience with mixpackers

[sinful rune]

#general-feedback message <--- This would be amazing, yes please. I think FiveM/RedM does it by using Steam IDs so recently DC/d players can reconnect without the queue.

[eternal orbit]

Troodon needs a buff! am i right!

not a combat buff but qol buffs. Heal a bit faster, longer hunger timer, and more stam

for a dino that needs a pack to kill anything but goats and chickens they sure get hungry fast and dont have a ton of stam to travel/find a pack

then a boar hits you once, your 50% hp and have to sit and heal for 15mins all while your hunger is dropping

Dilo on the other hand has 10x as much HP, travels faster, venom can refresh and lasts 6x as long, has illusions (which aren't simply just distractions but actually give the dinosaur RANGED ATTACKS) and only takes 35mins longer to grow lol. Like if troodon hit max growth in 25-30mins okay, but 70mins for a dinosaur that is worse than every other dino in every way AND can get 2hit by a boar at full growth... kinda broken in the wrong way, just putting it out there. 🤭

I know this isn't the official feedback chat but wanted to get some of your guy's opinions before I make a post about it.

[desert arch]

Troodon only takes 55 mins to grow, it got rediced a while ago

But it needs buffs, I agree

[eternal orbit]

is that 55 at perfect diet?

[desert arch]

At 100% boost yes

[eternal orbit]

interesting, hmm

easy buff idea for that, increase chicken and rabbit spawns, they are super rare and make it almost impossible to get perfect diet on troodon

[eternal orbit]

thank you so much for that info though! that makes me feel atleast a little better

[desert arch]

How could I not help a fellow troodon enjoyer

[neat scroll]

@topaz glade
I think if we're going to include sexual dimorphism, it should be on a customizable basis for all dinos. Innately having one sex be larger or cooler looking than the other is lame. It discourages picking the more "boring" option.

However if dinos had an optional slider for things like size and so on, that would be neat. For role-playing purposes if you wanted to spawn as a smaller female dino and have your friend spawn as a larger male one, you could do that. But it doesn't force any player to pick the "lesser" option just because they want to nest.

Though I will say, it throws a wrench in the process of determining a full grown dino from a sub adult and so on.

Really, I see no reason to force more sexual dimorphism when we already have male markings. Some dinos could use improvements to theirs (namely teno) but otherwise? It's a lot of work for effectively no reward

[tame jetty]

Yeah i get the fear. But its suggested as a server option for that very reason.
Obviously servers that has good rules in place ect and staff that kick out rulebreakers ect, can have much use of this setting.
Officals wouldnt have it enabled, because in default it would be disabled.
There's legit no reason for people to downvote it or disagree with it 🤷🏼

the devs want to give communities option to create unique servers and worlds. I just hope they'd introduce this kind of cross-speices-herding setting a bit sooner! I'm so tired of losing my packmates in forest of diff herbivore species or even in fields! because no name tags, and not being able to just talk in local-ingame with em

[neat scroll]

Having an optional setting for unofficial servers (exclusively- this would not be an official server feature that's enabled) can never be bad. Providing options for unofficial servers to be as lax or strict with their rules as they're set up for is ideal. Worst thing that can happen is what? It's disabled? It's enabled and you don't like playing on that specific server? That's why the variety we have is neat. You can chose no rules servers like Zooming or semi realisms like PACK

[tame jetty]

Exactly

[golden horizon]

Not everybody is playing on official including me
It also ruins the immersion when dinos can communicate across difrent species. It will also make it much easier to mixpack with this and engage in unfair matchup, like dibble and maia teaming up to hunt down ceras

[raven sky]

@topaz glade Sexual dimorphism should be purely a cosmetic thing like it currently is with stego, ptera and hypsi. It needs to be added to more species though especially ones with crests/ornaments like dilo, carno and cera

[tame jetty]

Thats why its a server option. Server that has rules around mix-herd would very much benefit from having it enabled. But servers where it wouldnt fit, just simply wouldnt enable it. Because in default, its obviously not Enabled..

[golden horizon]

It sounds like something that can be done, when they allow serverowners to mod the game

[neat scroll]

KOS herbi players don't have any issues finding one another or KOSing without the player tags. Refusing the option doesn't make that issue any better, it just further limits servers that are moderated properly

[raven sky]

Mix herding is intended and happens anyways though

[tame jetty]

Like Nishabelle said. Having option to customize and have different settings, Cant go Bad.

Also, devs already has said in past i've seen people point out that they want to let servers and communities to make their own unique worlds within the game, with many server options.

I think mix-herding setting as i've suggested, is to be expected as a very benefical and good server setting option ^^ (and yes, disabled at default, so no, server would've to manually enable it!)

what could go wronggg :D

[tame jetty]

also good point- it does.
Its just currently so much more inconvinient because of no name tags, and need of 3rd software for communication. Which is hella ANNOYING

[golden horizon]

If mix herding was intended why can't herbis invite eachother to group ?

[neat scroll]

If carnivores were intended to hunt herbivores, why can't anything kill stego?

Because the game isn't finished yet

[tame jetty]

Its a server option. Why is that a bad thing?

Why is you against having server setting options? i'm wondering

edit: why cant servers enable this for their convinience, and other servers leave it disabled if that suit them? Why are you so against this?

[golden horizon]

Carnivors can kill stego

[golden horizon]

I dont like making it easier to mixpack

[neat scroll]

We're not really going to ignore how imbalanced the herbi//carni roster is right now without rex, allo, spino, bary, etc. Right?

[golden horizon]

Im just very against mixpacking

call it mixherding or mixpacking idc

[raven sky]

Because they're different species. And communication only with calls is fun and immersive.

You can see it's intended as some herbivores share migrations

[neat scroll]

Then play on servers that don't allow it.

But don't limit unofficials that allow mix herding and strictly ban KOSing herbis just because of your personal choice

[golden horizon]

The thing is, you dont need to kill a stego to survive, and the devs balance mainly on survival

[tame jetty]

We all are! obviously from alll the feedbacks people make daily of this problem.

But thats why it would be :

SERVER OPTION SETTING.

It would never be on offical server unless devs enabled it suddenly, which i doubt lol.
And it would be used on servers where rules are most likely in place for a pleasent experience, and the other servers that cant handle their community or rulebreakers, would LEAVE this setting option off and have it disabled.
Also, theres a miullion isle servers. There's no problem finding one where this setting would've been disabled...

[golden horizon]

Sure they share migration, but herbis can exist in the same area without having to fight eachother, i just don't know why they also have to talk to eachother since they can't mate

[tame jetty]

exactly 👆🏼

[golden horizon]

I dont play on official, only unofficial, and i really dont want to see this function enabled on my favorite servers

[raven sky]

They don't have to but it would be neat as a server option

[tame jetty]

exactly

[golden horizon]

So its a "nice" to have not a "need" to have option

We dont need this option imh

[neat scroll]

If you are so deeply concerned by mixpacking, why do you play on servers that allow mixpacking rather than having rules against it? Having this setting would do nothing to a server that already disallows mixpacking. You're opposed to features that already exist on your favorite servers

[golden horizon]

And the devs have already planned that modding is going to be a thing in the future, so serverowners can just go wild

[golden horizon]

No, this feature doesnt "already exist" on my favorite servers

It will ruin the servers I play on, if they enabled it

[tame jetty]

If it wouldnt fit in ''your favorite server' where maybe mixpacking that way isnt allowed ect, Then it wouldn't be a thing.

But if it fits in that server, and its your favorite.. and you hate MIXPACKING.
I dont see why it would be a problem if it enabled anyway from the server, because obiously they want to have it and it fit their rules ect if that what you play with.
Otherwise, if it doesnt fit with mix-pack herding, then it wouldnt.

Also, if you didnt understand from my feedback, its about herbivores and omnivore.

No cross species for carnivores, if thats your fear.

Even thought, to be honest if servers wanted this to be option too. i dont see why they couldnt also enable this and make it so individually.

IN ANY GAME, it is very good with community and server options. It promps diversity and unique playerbase community within the game and only draws in more people for the game. Benefi for devs, and benefit for US-

[neat scroll]

If mixpacking already isn't allowed on your favorite servers, then guess what your favorite servers are going to do? They're going to disable the setting that allows for mix herd grouping, and nothing changes.

[raven sky]

Yes, I personally like having the challenge to communicate only with calls, it's fun. But it would also be cool to have a server option to be able to talk to them. We don't need it, but since the devs are working to have unofficials very customisable why not?

[tame jetty]

exactly.

Further said: They would never enable the mix-herd setting, because at default its disabled. So.. if it doesnt fit, they just wouldnt have it. ^^

[tame jetty]

100% INDEED

[golden horizon]

I play on a low rule server, so mixpacking is not against the rules entirely, but this option will make it easier for people to mixpack, which will increase the liklyhood of me getting mixpacked, and the only way to defeat a mixpack, is with another mixpack, but i refuse to mixpack sooo yeah

[neat scroll]

The point of need is silly to argue here. We don't need stego. We don't need nesting. Hell, we don't need a game. We have stego and nesting and a game because we wanted it, because we wanted to have fun. We have the admin panel that allows for growing because we wanted options for unofficial servers.

Need doesn't factor in, and you are not the sole arbiter of what the entire community wants.

[neat scroll]

Genuinely why tf are you playing on a server that allows mixpacking when you could just, not play on a server that allows that? There are a half dozen alternatives from all over the world that fixes the issue you are having my dude

[golden horizon]

Yeah but you want an option that is already planned for the future with modding being a thing, so i dont know why it should be focused now

[tame jetty]

IT would only be used by MIXPACKERS if enabled by the server.
Default setting, like offical server. The server owner would've to ENABLE it manually ect.

Server option setting would always be a free choice

[golden horizon]

Tone it down man, we are having a civil conversation

[tame jetty]

Because its very convinient right now. The roster is clearly diversed enough with many different creatures. Specially herbivores.

Why not have it right now? why wait? why would it hurt to have it now?

edit: every day i play something and run into other herbivores fexample, and i cant speak to them nor group even though on my server we can,. But its so hard, because no group names and no chat ingame. So, it doesnt really work.. Its really frustraiting and annoying. A simple cross-species-herding server option to enable/disable would make everything so much more simple and fun right of the bat. And i'd not have to lose the players everytime a bush comes in the way

[golden horizon]

Bottom line is, I dont agree with the suggestion, that's why i put an x. We are allowed to have diffrences in opinion, are we not?

Alot of people are against mixpacking which is fair enoupgh, even if its just a server option. What's next, that it becomes mandatory? You can see how this can end really badly

[tame jetty]

It wouldnt become mandatory just because its a server setting...
Its for community diversity- which devs already are very for.

Just because something is used on x server, doesnt meant it would become mandatory on server y. Get me?

[neat scroll]

We are 100% allowed to have differences in opinion. We're also allowed to point out that there is 0 point in limiting the options provided to customize the experience of unofficials. Customization that allows for a broader variety of experiences to fulfill a broader swath of the community is always good. Your issue with mixpacking isn't a thing because of a hypothetical setting that would provide the option to enable or disable it. It's your issue because you play on servers that allow it, and that is a personal problem. You have abundant variety to chose from that fixes that solution right now.

The slippery slope fallacy of thinking because something exists it'll be mandatory when not a soul is asking for or mentioned it is a waste of time, especially given the wide variety of functions and even dinos that are planned to not be on official servers. Rex isn't even supposed to come to official servers. If the game will not make one of its key selling points mandatory, why are you worrying about the proposal of an optional setting for unofficials?

[tame jetty]

Like, you play on LOW RULES right now. Just Because THAT server use LOW RULES. Doesnt mean it is Mandatory by Everyone else to also be LOW RULES, right?

edit: No, you see bunch of other servers with NO RULES, semi realism rules, role play? ect ecttt

[golden horizon]

I do, but it will create problems in the future, cause then the carnivor players think its unfair herbis can talk to eachother but carnis can't

I just think it will open up a whole box of trouple if you get me

[neat scroll]

A whole box of trouble? By doing what? Adding another optional setting that would fulfill the carnivore roster and that would only be toggled on in servers where that is already acceptable?

[golden horizon]

it might seem innocent now, but down the line it will become a big mess like how legacy is today with their 50 man megapacks everywhere you go

I have the philosophy of prevention is better then cure

[neat scroll]

Megapacks and mixpacks cannot be an issue in servers that already don't allow them just because the option exists

[green niche]

#general-feedback message
I would love to have more sexual dimorphism aside from colour, however you managed to suggest the single most boring way of having it. Male does not have to be bigger than female and its damn well boring if every male is larger than every female
Sexual dimorphism should also be accompanied by intersex traits imo
Anyway, ive written up a thing on sexual dimorphism in the game a while ago. I dont care to find it rn though
(Btw, one way you could balance the size difference would be to make the smaller individual stay using the sub adult model but still get the stats of a normal fg once they reach fg
Any i voted no because i found this suggestion boring and i would rather not be implemented at all than it be implemented in a boring way

[neat scroll]

Murder is also an option, but I'm not worried about murdering someone because I have the choice not to lol. It's poor philosophy to think it's existence by itself is a danger

[tame jetty]

As i said above. The cross-species server option. Could also be manually picked on to allow cross-species communication between carnivores too.
I've also suggested in my orginally suggestion for the setting to be editable so example: stego can group with galli, but not teno. Or a pachy and stego only. Depending on server chooice.
Same apply to carnivores within the setting, the server could manually enable this withhin the seting if want, like a carno group with a omni. Or omni with a cerato and not a carno.

But also completely only allow herbivore and omni mix-herd, and not carnivores. ECT.

Community diversity is what would be mattering. And also, all servers would go by what fits their playstyle and rules and enable/disable or edit the server option all to their wish ^^

[tame jetty]

True

[golden horizon]

You can compare it to pregnancies, its better to use preventative measures than having to deal with a baby you never planned for

[eternal orbit]

Hey does anyone else think that the distances of sounds isn't as accurate as Legacy? In legacy you could quite accuractly gaige the distance of a dinosaur by the sound of it's call. Now it feels like you're right on top of it if you're anywhere within ~300meters. I feel like it could be improved.

[tame jetty]

I am REALLY looking forward to when devs add more customize server settings to the community servers. I wish they added this cross-species-herding setting right now, because it would be so convinient and good to have in option right now.
But hopefully it will make it way with time!

[golden horizon]

That sounds very complicated, but ig alot of us are just afraid of the idea of mixpacking and stuff like that so it turns us away. It seems like you only want to use your idea for good, like not having your herbi friend lost, but i can also see how it can be abused by toxic players