general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

also pointing out that Gateway has "untouched spots" is a WILD thing to bring up when comparing to Spiro, the king of unused space

entire swaths of Spiro are literally just desolate forest with no availible resources and basically no way to navigate effectively

V3 isn't much better, with a giant canyon that actively dissuades any and all movement around the map

[karmic plank]

how much of it did you play on spiro as herbi?

cuz there was food everywhere and tons of non action spots.

[limber hull]

a fair bit, but herbi was so goddamn boring on Spiro I rarely touched it

triangle gameplay

[karmic plank]

i played both and the gameplay on that map vs this one gateway is horrid.

[limber hull]

i play it more now on Gateway because it doesn't suck as hard

[wary cargo]

are the migration zones broken I go there and no one is there.

[analog raft]

I really liked Spiro as an Herbi, Carni's only sat in the middle though

[karmic plank]

no there is PZ zones now so no one goes to em anymore. another reason its broken on this map. you cant find people ever

[analog raft]

Gateway has the dumbest food mechanic that makes me hate the map

[limber hull]

Gateway is inherently better designed for so many reasons. It properly utilises space and biome diversity to give motivation to explore, doesn't hide a giant canyon in the middle of the map for no reason, actually spawns food and water in rivers and ponds around the map so you don't literally die of starvation or thirst for exploring. uses pathways to help guide players to new locations and avoid environmental threats like rivers or cliffs, etc

I don't see what's wrong with Gateway's food mechanic. Hell, idk what you even mean by food mechanic

[karmic plank]

no now its just cliffs and a giant river.

[wary cargo]

except I've been running around forever and starving to death

[karmic plank]

ai never spawn unless around herbis. and herbis food is also broken rn.

[analog raft]

yeah, food being plentiful is BS

[limber hull]

idk what to tell you except that's exactly what Spiro is except less interesting lmao

[karmic plank]

other than the fact it was smaller so didnt have to run 3 hours to find a person or food

[limber hull]

technically it was larger or as large. Only difference was the fact it had tons of unutilised space that ate away at performance

Because it's extremely poorly designed

[karmic plank]

idk didnt take me as long to run acrost the map... lol

gateway takes foreverrrrr

[limber hull]

the literal dude who made it made it in less than a week because deino started to exist

[limber hull]

how is that bad

hell, why do you even need to be crossing the entire map quickly

[karmic plank]

why wouldnt i when i wanna be semi close to other players.

as herbi and carnivor... i dont play this game to role play by myself and frogs

[limber hull]

if the only reason you like Spiro was because it was literally designed like a thunderdome rather than an actual map for a survival game, then you fundamentally misunderstand the point of this game lol

[karmic plank]

and just to be clear spiro didnt have a canyon in middle or that big even on north east side.

[limber hull]

it did. literally hidden behind bushes

[karmic plank]

you needa go look at the maps. your thinking of v3

[analog raft]

that was tiny and to the north, 100% avoidable

[limber hull]

tiny it was not lol

V3's canyon was even more egregious

giant ass f u to moving around the map lol

[karmic plank]

go look at maps...

[limber hull]

no lol

[analog raft]

he is talking about spiro's canyon

[wary cargo]

ugh I just died to starvation I can't play this game anymore until they fix this.

[limber hull]

i dont use maps in this game because i prefer to explore over use maps

[karmic plank]

only cliffs or canyon is jungle gully

and a little north of lemon fields

[limber hull]

tf are these names lol

[analog raft]

Spiro's canyon was small and avoidable, it is like the same gateway has leading from highlands to the lake

[limber hull]

except gateway's doesn't have giant bushes around it and isn't extremely in the way lol

[analog raft]

its the names that the Vulvona person uses for his maps and again how is jungle gully in the way

[karmic plank]

this is v3. giant canyons in middle

[limber hull]

i dont even know what point you're making with this

[karmic plank]

that v3 didnt have a giant canyon... lol

[limber hull]

you just showed me that it does have a giant canyon???

[karmic plank]

or spiro didnt my bad

v3 does

[limber hull]

you also showed off that canyon??????

what

[karmic plank]

a tiny one in top north eastern part of map

really

[limber hull]

it was not tiny, it was in a high traffic area

[karmic plank]

NO IT WASENT lmfao

everyone was in center or west side of map

[limber hull]

right next to north east and centre? two of the highest traffic areas in the game?

[karmic plank]

must have been whatever server you played on alone.

cuz any server i played on no one touched the northern eastern parts of the map. was no points to go there

[limber hull]

there were literally diet plants herbivores had to go there for

[analog raft]

Gateway has huge swathes of unused land that have no migration zones, no spawn zones, and no ease of access, not sure why you claim differently

[limber hull]

stegos, tenos and dryos all had to go there for food

[karmic plank]

faulse. i played herbi and never had to go there

[analog raft]

and they didnt really have to go there

[karmic plank]

there was other easyer to get to locations

[analog raft]

they could fill their diets from north west, middle, and delta

[limber hull]

it has patrols zones that can spawn near anywhere, unlike Spiro, which literally had over 50% of its landmass comprised of unused jungles

[karmic plank]

i actually with all my hours played never once went there. didnt even know there was a canyon on that map.

patrol zones didnt start till this map

[analog raft]

Patrol zones are a new thing added because their food mechanic is bad

[limber hull]

i mean, anyways, if y'all like Spiro so much, there is a branch where you can play it, but you'll have to deal with the fact that most people hate that map, for good reason

[karmic plank]

you and a few others only ones ive seen say you didnt like it. lol majority ive talked to loved it and want it back soooo where yall at then?

[limber hull]

no? patrol zones were added because they wanted a more complex and interesting migration mechanic and more player freedom.

love how a good mechanic can be twisted to be bad because you personally dislike it

[limber hull]

playing on gateway LOL

[analog raft]

I didnt call it bad mechanic or twist it because i dislike it, learn to comprehend

[limber hull]

the numbers speak for themselves. Why is the spiro branch so dead

[karmic plank]

who wants to keep swapping branches...

[analog raft]

I said it was added because their initial mechanic for food was/is failing

[limber hull]

why swap? you hate gateway regardless, you won't need to swap back for it

just stay on spiro, ez win

all the spiro joy one can ask for

[karmic plank]

would but didnt even know it was a branch. this branch has spiro too. but custom servers are all dead.

[limber hull]

the option is there for those who prefer it

[analog raft]

When did he claim he hated it?

[karmic plank]

more branches means more spread out players killing the game even more.

[limber hull]

this branch does not have spiro. it was deleted from the current branch because it actively destroys download times due to poor optimisation

[karmic plank]

yes it does.... lol

dedicated servers choose it

[limber hull]

they don't? show me spiro on the current branch

[karmic plank]

there are a few up right now running. like 1 or 2. but no one plays dedicated

[limber hull]

can you take a screenshot of them?

[karmic plank]

i aint waiting for a 30 min que to show you that right now

to get back into my offical server

[limber hull]

why woudl there be a queue on a server no one plays

[analog raft]

Dude, stego stop and read man

[karmic plank]

cuz i aint playing dedicated right now?

[limber hull]

i know for a fact spiro was deleted. you def didn't see it

[karmic plank]

go look yourself then

in dedicated servers lol

[limber hull]

you mean unofficials or

[karmic plank]

yes dedicated servers

[limber hull]

im confused by what you mean by dedicated

[karmic plank]

unofficial

devs control officals of course its not going to be on that list...

[limber hull]

just checked. joined a spiro server. it's gateway.

[analog raft]

When people want to make a server for this game, they usually go to a Host/server provider and they make a "Dedicated Server" you know, perpetual server to play on

[limber hull]

so no, there's no spiro. there's servers labelled as spiro, but it's just Gateway

spiro isnt on the current branch

[karmic plank]

if thats the case then the devs seperated there player base no wounder there isnt many players.

3-4 different branches to keep there players spread out

[limber hull]

they deleted a literal bad map that destroyed the game's downloads and framerates

they let you play it on another branch but that map was not designed by a real level designer

[karmic plank]

not deleted if it has a branch

[limber hull]

it has so many actual mechanical issues

[karmic plank]

and this one dont?

[limber hull]

"deleted"

it was removed from live due to the problems it causes

[limber hull]

comparatively? no

[karmic plank]

floating trees. messed up rocks. glitchs water split by air. saw none of that on spiro. coulda been fixed and filled in instead of makeing a new one entirely

[limber hull]

all things in spiro, yes

and spiro was so flawed that they genuinely did need to make a new one

[karmic plank]

i never got stuck ina rock on spiro. or saw the water split by air. or floating trees. and so on

[limber hull]

the primary reason they made Gateway is because of how difficult it was to salvage Sprio

[karmic plank]

well they didnt do much better.

[limber hull]

it really did

given there's a small portion of people who actually prefer Spiro and the vast majority like Gateway more, I'd say that's a success

hell, Gateway's launch was one of the most anticipated updates in the game's history because of how bad Spiro was for a vast majority of people

and I still find myself discovering new things on Gateway, which is always fun

[karmic plank]

im only over here because there is players. and alot like me for the same reason. where was the votes casted at?

[limber hull]

general consensus. you'll find most people on this server prefer gateway

[karmic plank]

not that ive talked too.

witch is why im confused on how its such a big thing.

quite litturally on everyone ive talked too. you and 1 other are the only to say gateway is better outta like 20ish people ive talked too

[limber hull]

ive not seen much conversation on Spiro being better unless it's like the once a month dude coming in and saying it

otherwise it's mostly just people prefering Gateway

depends on the type of people you play with. If they just play for the PvP, more likely they'd like Spiro because it's literally a thunderdome rather than a survival map

[karmic plank]

dont think its that. cuz they play herbis and to just enjoy the game. so that cant be the case.

[limber hull]

i play herbis to enjoy the game, a lot more now with Gateway, and personally prefer it a great deal more with Gateway. Spiro was triangle sim

[analog raft]

I have never died so much as a baby/juvi carno on a map as gateway for no other reason as no food spawning and so big i cant find players to kill

[karmic plank]

died less on v3 and spiro for that reason alone lol gateway food is beyond broken rn

[limber hull]

once you find even one corpse you're kinda golden

also the juvi experience isn't supposed to be easy, and was always intended to be one of the hardest parts of the game

[karmic plank]

hard not inpossible

and one courpse dont last all that long either. other carnos take it before you ever finish it.

[limber hull]

its not imposssible? what?

i haven't really struggled that hard with it at all

[analog raft]

being hard because im weak and have to avoid or play smart is fine. Hard because just no food spawns is asnine

[karmic plank]

as herbi or carnivor?

[limber hull]

both

hell, the 300% growth rate thing makes it quite easy to grow super fast, which is cool

[karmic plank]

explain how you get 300%. max ive ever gotten with herbi in sancuary is 200%.

with carno no way in hll

i cant even get 300% as an adult lmfao

[north quiver]

if you’re lucky enough for your parents have all diets and feed you then you can reach 300%. but you’re definitely not having that 300% carry over into your juvie stage from hatchling stage because of the drain

and because vomiting is bugged (can’t vomit right now via overeating), you basically can’t get 300%. not without special situations like having a cera buddy vomit you or spending absurd amounts of time min-maxing your diets AFTER you reach full grown (you don’t have enough time while growing. it cannot be done that fast with most playables)

the lack of gastroliths also isn’t helping at all

[karmic plank]

max i got was 200% from vomit as a freash baby spawn

[north quiver]

it was doable when you could vomit from overeating but now you just can’t because you can’t gain diet from overeating and HAVE to wait for your stomach to drop

I’ve gotten and have given 300% before as a baby and while nesting

[karmic plank]

i was born in as a dibble and for whatever reason. all them getting full i still would only get 200% then it would insta drop to 170% from growth.

[north quiver]

well since you were an herbivore i doubt they had their lines diet. they probably had 3 dot and s

[karmic plank]

well it gave me all 3 so idk

[north quiver]

weird

[karmic plank]

yeah i foudn it weird myself since they all was filling up to 100% so idk what was going on

[woeful latch]

@clever geyser #general-feedback message 💀💀💀

can’t believe someone actually upvoted that

[iron knoll]

@clever geyser troodon is smoll,and has the best agility in the game basically! smaller legs, slower speed! makes sense imo. the speed of troodon is pretty Balanced imo... thanks to the size and movement you are able to avoid anything

[tight iron]

it's dead because it still has bugs, receives no attention and people, including myself (and you know how much i hate stamina and more things that i have available in the spiro branch) would rather follow dev progress

but if you went from discord to discord, and outside of discord, you'd see the insane amount of people that still wish we'd go back in time

[vivid mason]

actually, dryo is the most agile playable ingame

[tight iron]

the vast majority of the purple i know were playing since legacy/update 5ish prefer spiro, and if you really put some effort into checking what ppl prefer, you'd see that the ppl who prefer gateway over spiro are not as many as you'd expect (definetely not as many as i thought) and that the ppl who prefer spiro over gateway (and have played both) are probably the majority

[woeful latch]

spiro sucks ew

[iron knoll]

True 😂

[tight iron]

and ofc we have the ppl who only complain and do nothing

seen a trillion ppl say that spiro was better, and then i tell them well alr open a stable unofficial server in it, advertise it and you'll end up having 10-15 servers in the branch alone

"dont have time" "too lazy" "dont feel like it" etcetera

(the lack of stable unofficials is also one of the reasons why it's dead)

there was an unofficial in the branch that was getting somewhat stable and the pop was going up and up and up till they closed it

[lilac bolt]

in what world is Spiro better then gateway though? all Spiro was, was just bland forests and grasslands with things like foliage covering cliffs as well as a ton of other issues. both are rough but in general gateway is the better of the two imo.

[clever geyser]

You feel extrememly slow for a troodon and you get caught and pounced by omnis way to easily just for the simple fact they are faster and have the same agility

[tight iron]

better balance, better map for the dinos that we currently have (most are plains animals, gateway has no damn plains besides south plains which is still pretty small), better stamina, you could use the heart, better ai, etcetera

game wasnt "strict", "megahardcore", it was just fun

go in and have fun with capable dinos

[woeful latch]

you’re almost the same speed but 10 times smaller wdym

[tight iron]

you could see far in the open and locate ppl you want to kill from really far away

[woeful latch]

that’s huge skill issue on your side

[clever geyser]

It makes sense we ahve no way of getting away from omnis they are simply faster better in every way same with carnos its only a matter of time until dysnc just obliterates us

[iron knoll]

the stamina argument makes no sense to me.... i dont see any of the issues you are talking about to be honest. the fact that u cant see your health specifically i like it, gotta have awarness about how low u are!

[tight iron]

wdym theres no way to get away from raptors hol on

you do realize getting away from raptors is inmensely easy right

every step you take theres 17 bushes, use em

[tight iron]

yeah well all these things create issues

[iron knoll]

omni are very avoidable, you are so smol its so easy to get away in bushes XD the carno charge hitbox is another story

[iron knoll]

pot is an easier game if you want something easier XD

[tight iron]

i dont know if youve tried seeing the more logical aspect of it, but all these changes are simply bad and degrade the player's experience

[lilac bolt]

also a map where deino dominated due to how it was designed. but in the end it's quite literally just up to your own opinion so idk

[tight iron]

oh hell naw i aint playin that

[clever geyser]

not easy in most hot spots like south and we cant even see in bushs because our camera is an ant

[tight iron]

ive watched a few videos and brother that is my nightmare

[tight iron]

in places like south plains you can see them coming from far away

the fact that you get caught when you can see them coming from decently far away only demonstrates a lack of awareness

[tight iron]

theres a million feedbacks in #general-feedback (from the time when gateway released) which show how bad these changes were, if you're interested i recommend you take a look at them

some are just "i dont wanna wait" some are actually detailed feedbacks explaining why these changes are objectively (no room for opinion) bad

[clever geyser]

And they can see us from the same distance as well its not easy

[iron knoll]

hahah... jokes aside, i like how hardcore the isle is: i dont wanna see my hp, i want stamina to be a skill issue... cause if u manage it right u never run out of stam, so its all about stamina managment! alt attacking while out of stam, i wouldnt mind taken it away, but i dont feel liek it makes a huge difference aside from stego (cause it one shots anyone on the roster, but it wont always be like that), if u are out of stamina you are dead 88% of the time

[tight iron]

45 km/h vs 46.8 km/h

you got a whole ass year before they catch up to you

[tight iron]

i understand your point

[iron knoll]

i have never died to a raptor as troodon, unless i was minding my own business and i was ambushed which is fair, good on the raptor that ambushed

[tight iron]

im merely stating that if you'd like to inform yourself a bit more about why i claim these things are wrong, damage the balance, player experience and game as a whole, theres a million feedbacks about it that, if you're curious enough, i recommend you take a look at

[clever geyser]

I still think they should be faster than carno

[tight iron]

no sir

they'd be unkillable

they're already hard to hit (hitbox is tiny as hell), faster than carno means nothing in this universe can kill them

[clever geyser]

i dont think you've played omni

I mean troodon mb

[tight iron]

not that much but not that lil

[iron knoll]

but they have tiny legs XD for one carno step troodon needs 15

[tight iron]

i actually recorded myself juking the living crap outta a bunch of raptors but somehow the recordings got corrupted

[clever geyser]

I think your forgeting troodon went 80km/h in real life

[tight iron]

raptors weighed 220kg

carnos could 1 tap stegos by biting their head off

[woeful latch]

@vivid mason

[tight iron]

turns out they never met each other

[woeful latch]

this person eats omnis alive

[vivid mason]

huh

[tight iron]

and troodon doesnt actually exist

[clever geyser]

ill admit that troodon can easily dodge things but its always the dysync killing us

[tight iron]

do you play on officials

[clever geyser]

yes

[vivid mason]

desync is true

[tight iron]

oh hell naw get outta there

play unofficials

[clever geyser]

Yeah lemme play on 150 ping

[tight iron]

where u live

[clever geyser]

Nz

[tight iron]

nevermind then

[clever geyser]

...New Zealand.

[woeful latch]

desync also helps it a lot

troo needs a buff, but definitely not a speed boost

[clever geyser]

Id say more stamina

[karmic plank]

ai is better? thats debaitable for gateway.... i never starved on spiro to ai. with never eating a player. i starve in gateway all the time cuz ai dont spawn.

[woeful latch]

and definitely not 60km/h troodon lmao

[clever geyser]

Well im 90% sure devs did say they wanted a realistic game

[karmic plank]

and lack of players lol

[clever geyser]

where?

[vivid mason]

its stamina is alright, it just needs 2x stam drain venom, charge based pounces and buffed dismount

[karmic plank]

everywhere. dude i can run the whole map and see like 20 of the 100 if even that

unless 90 are deinos and underwater

the map is too huge for only 100 players

[tight iron]

theres a crap ton of ai it's just hidden in the middle of nowhere

[karmic plank]

yup all over there too

[tight iron]

you look over a cliff and not even kidding theres 20 deers chillin

[karmic plank]

was just playing utah. found no ai from west rail to sp

[tight iron]

but you know damn well you aint ever gonna reach them

[tight iron]

found only 2 frogs in a trip from northeast plains to south plains from south plains to highlands from highlands to west rail access and repeat 3 times

[karmic plank]

exactly. no ai

and no players means no food

[tight iron]

they were on the land about 200m away from the water dont even ask me how that works

thats all the ai i found

[clever geyser]

whats the best way to kill carnos in your opinion

[tight iron]

and tbf i did hear some goats but they usually disappear so im not even gonna bother

[vivid mason]

You dont, not with that charge hitbox

[clever geyser]

I dont even think its broken tbh i think its just desync

[vivid mason]

it is

[karmic plank]

ai and finding players was 10x better in spiro. thats my expeeriance.

[clever geyser]

thats usually what happens on bigger maps

[lilac bolt]

there isn't no ai it can just be hard to find most of the time if you don't know where to look.

[karmic plank]

the programing for there spawns are garbage

[tight iron]

spiro is a bit bigger than gateway

[karmic plank]

yet always was able to find players

[vivid mason]

spiro was both better and worse than gateway

[karmic plank]

ill agree to that

[tight iron]

but guess what spiro doesnt block your vision with random ass bushes cliffs rivers and trees every single meter

[vivid mason]

gateway is definitely more fun to explore though

[tight iron]

for exploring absolutely more fun

[clever geyser]

Okay I didn't know that But doesnt change the difference no one went anyone on spiro

[vivid mason]

actually it does lol, a lot more than gateway

[karmic plank]

yeah but exploreing gets boreing once youve walked the whole map

[clever geyser]

anywhere*

[tight iron]

not even close

[vivid mason]

well not from my experience. ive never seen a cliff covered with bushes, but in spiro.. ive seen a LOT

[tight iron]

spiro is just plains gateway is no plains

[karmic plank]

no gateway has a ton of it... never seen it in spiro

[tight iron]

yea but the whole ass map aint cliffs and mountains

[karmic plank]

spiro didnt even have cliffs dude

[tight iron]

no it did have many

[vivid mason]

it had a lot of canyons

[karmic plank]

spiro was 90% plains

[lilac bolt]

yeah that was a main issue and complaint with Spiro

[tight iron]

theres actually a part of center which is called cliffs for a reason

[karmic plank]

yall are thinking v3

[vivid mason]

no 💀

[karmic plank]

show me the cliffs on the maps

[vivid mason]

i want a v3 remake in evrima.. i want a temperate coniferous forest in evrima SO BAD

[tight iron]

no sir spiro had soem random ass hidden ravines that would make you die the second you went thru the bushes

[karmic plank]

cuz spiro has one canyon. far far north east of its map. no one even went there

[tight iron]

uhhhhh sure hold on ill send you a screenshot of cliffs real quick

[karmic plank]

good cuz i played the hell outta spiro and never once ran off or seen a cliff

[desert arch]

That canyon went from north east all the way to center and almost north west

[vivid mason]

hi potato

[desert arch]

That thing was BIG

[karmic plank]

that wasent spiro

[desert arch]

👋🥔
Im procastinating

[vivid mason]

theres a big canyon in the center of spiro, the river goes through it too

[desert arch]

Well it used to

[karmic plank]

no it dont lol

[vivid mason]

bro..

[karmic plank]

a single cliff so small

[vivid mason]

here aswell

[vivid mason]

it wasnt small at all

[karmic plank]

thats v3 thats a canyon that takes up the whole map

[vivid mason]

pls gimme v3 revamp in evrima i beg

pls pls pls

[karmic plank]

skrew that canyon i dont want that map

[clever geyser]

Why the hell are you guys crashing out over a map it aint our fault you jumping off them

[vivid mason]

i LOVE coniferous maps

[vivid mason]

yeah.. * small *

[karmic plank]

thats one cliff with like no bushes on it

lmfao

[vivid mason]

still a cliff

[tight iron]

oh you mean with bushes

ill try to locate this random ass cliff hold on

[vivid mason]

wait how do you have admin on spiro

is there an admin server?

[tight iron]

private server

theres a cera with me rn and boi am i gonna do some trolling

[vivid mason]

i want

[karmic plank]

this is where i would find everyone on the semi real servers id play on. no one ever went east

the only one that has even remote bushes on it was spine wall. how youd fall of that on accedent all the time is beyond me. but in my opinon the map was 10x better than gateway.

even just the center section.

[vivid mason]

it had a lot more hotspots and a lot less variety than gateway imo

but it was more fun to play on

[karmic plank]

true. but so did v3

v3 was better than gateway in my opinon as well. never played thenyall or whatever so cant speak on it.

[tight iron]

damn i love the balance between forests and plains spiro has

[karmic plank]

coulda been fixed.

[tight iron]

and the water + the graphics

lighting actually feels good and not a damn mess

[karmic plank]

lol at least it dont have floating trees and air seperateing waters.

[vivid mason]

update 4 spiro was the best spiro

the lighting was MWAH

[tight iron]

and the clearly separated trees that dont let you pass

[tight iron]

oh dont remind me

[karmic plank]

what map didnt have its issues. lol

set up wise though. personally speaking v3 and spiro was and is better than gateway.

[tight iron]

personally speaking i agree

leaves you more room for comfort and enjoyment instead of complete blindness

[vivid mason]

old old spiro was hell, if you ever went to the beaches, good luck getting out. it was impossible

[karmic plank]

i dont even go to beaches in gateways. never touched em back then either lol

[tight iron]

beaches in gateway are lacking way too much

[vivid mason]

spiro beaches are gorgeous

[karmic plank]

where and when the megladon gonna be added pffft

[vivid mason]

#general-feedback message people crashing out in feedback channels like this will never not be funny to me

[tight iron]

it doesnt seem overly complicated (and it isnt) to traverse it and fidn other ppl

a simple yet great map

[tight iron]

he aint wrong tho

[karmic plank]

i feel like if we quit getting new maps and work on just one map we would have been good by now...

[vivid mason]

overreacting imo

[tight iron]

i dont think ppl mind new maps

[desert arch]

Me when the 6ton aquatic creature doesnt take falls well

[tight iron]

hes just frustrated as heck which is understandable

[vivid mason]

yeah yeah but hes taking it too hard

[karmic plank]

and on another note people keep talking about stam and so on. why do diff maps have diff stamina setups? like why is stamina linked to the maps?

[vivid mason]

spiro stamina regen was like 2x faster

[tight iron]

it aint linked to the maps tbh

[vivid mason]

linked to the game versions

[desert arch]

Bit more than 2x on average iirc

[karmic plank]

so it isnt the map itself so why it keep getting braught up lol

[tight iron]

it's linked to if the devs feel like letting ppl be free or if they dont like fighting and make it almost impossible

[desert arch]

But you ran for half the time

[tight iron]

cause the one rn ruins everything specially in gateway

[vivid mason]

gateway stam actually encourages you to have good stam management though, which is alright

[desert arch]

Spiro carno with less than a minute of running stam

[tight iron]

imagine with a body fracture

press shift whippity whoppity your whole ass stamina bar is now my property

[karmic plank]

but talking about the map like the values couldnt be changed to what they are rn is kinda ludacris isnt it...

[desert arch]

Asthma simulator

[vivid mason]

and if it tries to charge 💀

[tight iron]

the 3 second stamina bar:

[tight iron]

at the cost of everything else tho

[desert arch]

I used to hate it as well before you couldnt regen via trotting, now I like it tbh

[tight iron]

im used to it but i still hate it with a passion

doesnt let me be free in a frickin game

[karmic plank]

so the stam is just linked to the maps is how yall refer to em.. lol

[tight iron]

doesnt let me make up strategies and play the way some things are meant to play

[desert arch]

Only complaint I have is being able to spam alt attack on 0 stam, that just feels like training wheels thats there for no reason

[karmic plank]

whos bright idea was it to make swamp bigger and turn east pond into a swamp like...

[vivid mason]

it should use O2

[desert arch]

It shouldnt be a thing at all, and carnivore bites should also do way less dmg on 0 stam imo

[vivid mason]

real

[desert arch]

You have to mess up horribly to be in a situation where youre at 0 stam

[vivid mason]

i do like the thought of being able to make stuff pass out from no oxygen if they keep trying to use stam at 0 stam lol

many animals today literally hunt by tiring out their prey, sometimes to the point that they die from the chase itself, like wolves

[desert arch]

Exactly

[vivid mason]

i want to be able to do that

[desert arch]

But rn you can back into a corner and spam away without any regard to stamina

[vivid mason]

give me a slow creature that has insane agility and 4.5 min stam with insane stam regen that tires its prey out to death

orrr.. troodon...

[desert arch]

So fat galli on energy drinks

[karmic plank]

steggo on roller skates.

[desert arch]

Dev this guy rn ^

[tight iron]

no fighting allowed so not happening

[karmic plank]

could you imagine a steggo rollerskateing down a hill....30000kh

[desert arch]

I feel like that would end in a big splat of red stuff

[tight iron]

sounds about right

[karmic plank]

unless he landed in water...hold tail out like bunting a baseball and boom. anything in way ded

[desert arch]

Stegosaurus: kamikaze niche

[vivid mason]

what

[tight iron]

im not serious it's more of a joke/criticism

the devs hate when ppl fight even tho fighting is incredibly immersive and well designed so they take a million measures to make sure it's complicated asf

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-having-fun-quit-it-be-serious-real-talk-stop-laughing-gif-15087806

[karmic plank]

burke raided me on twitch once... with 3k people... was dope.

[vivid mason]

just an interesting hunting style idea

[tight iron]

sums up the past year of development

[vivid mason]

killing prey by primarily exhaustion and not actual injury

[tight iron]

cant be done when he alt bites the crap outta you

[vivid mason]

a playable like that would be interesting

[vivid mason]

thats why we make alt bites use O2, or anything stam based when youre on 0 stam

[tight iron]

we dont make alt bites available when outta stam and we remove the thresholds so that you aint 100% dead when outta stam

cause if not they can still spam alt bites

oxygen takes no time to get back keep that in mind

[vivid mason]

everything should be able to still do stam things when out of stam, but at the cost of o2, so if they do want to do that, theyll have to face blacking out and possibly dying

[vivid mason]

that can be changed

[tight iron]

better to just not allow alt bites

[vivid mason]

but thats boringggg

[tight iron]

if they actually wanted stam management we wouldnt have alt bites when outta stamina

[vivid mason]

i want to exhaust my prey to death pls

[tight iron]

thats why alt bites shouldnt be possible when outta stam

nobody on this planet would die to alt biting and losing every bit of oxygen

[vivid mason]

theyll still die if they dont

[tight iron]

good let em die

[vivid mason]

but i want to kill stuff by fainting them to death

[tight iron]

it's like before when not managing stamina correctly was actually punishing

no alt bites no nothing could get tail ridden for a few seconds

genuinely baffles me how they want stamina management so they make a so poorly planned and unbearable stamina that they add ways for ppl to not die miserably and break all balance while doing that

how does this even happen 😭

there was stamina management before

[vivid mason]

just disable alt attacks when on 0 stam

[tight iron]

if they want realistic stamina add realistic hunger let us go days without eating

[vivid mason]

people will start sobbing, maintaining diets will be impossible

[tight iron]

i know im not actually serious it's ridiculous

old stam actually fit

this one cant fit and will never fit

not while stegos have infinite swings troodons are useless cause they aint getting their stam back and everyone can still alt bite when outta stam

[vivid mason]

it can tho, just disable alt attacks

[tight iron]

it just wont fit

it's impossible, it's the opposite of many playables

troodons and raptors function the exact opposite way and force everyone else to follow

for example bucking was absolutely obliterated when stam changes, and it took about 8 months to get a new one, that turns out it's even worse 😭

bucking was functional before

now it's either instant death for you or for the pouncer

game chooses

[vivid mason]

troodon just needs 2x stam drain venom, charge based pounce and buffed dismount, itll be great then.

troodon also doesnt suffer from bucking at all now, they jump off before it works on them thankfully

[tight iron]

how does that make virtually any sense :sob

troodon needs the old stamina back

troodon and everything else

[tight iron]

give it great run time im telling you nothing aint ever escaping by running away

[vivid mason]

nah troodon could barely run for over a minute back then. all it needs is a charge based pounce and it would help a TON with stam

[tight iron]

give it great run time

troodon and many many other issues would be fixed if they did that

but stubborness reigns so aint happening

[vivid mason]

its run time is already good, it just needs to give envenomated prey some body fracture type stam drain

[tight iron]

im already seeing mixpackers putting a troodon in their ranks

[vivid mason]

thats just a death sentence for a troodon lol

[tight iron]

the solution is ez asf, put the old stam old bucking old functional features and fix many many issues

give troodon great runtime and literally nothing is ever running away and lookin at you like haha gotchu

[vivid mason]

old bucking would ruin troodon again

[tight iron]

not if he appears from the bushes and gets a pounce

[tight iron]

how so

[vivid mason]

ok, he still has to get a lot of pounces in, and with the chaos of a mixpack, youre dead

[tight iron]

no he starts the fight and then his mixpacking buddies come in

[vivid mason]

because it annihilated its stam, rn bucking doesnt even work on troodon if it doesnt want to keep latching on

[vivid mason]

he'll still end up dying

[tight iron]

give troodon amazing regen then

troodon needs incredible stamina but again stubborness reigns so aint happening anytime soon

[vivid mason]

It’s stam regen isn’t bad, it just needs to maintain its stam better in fights, not have to leave one frequently in the middle of a fight to regen

[iron knoll]

you forget that troodon can be 10 in a group.... so you are supposed to switch with your pack members while u regen stam

[tight iron]

if it maintains it then it's infinite pounces

good luck for anything that it's fighting the troodon

[tight iron]

yeah but that's unrealistic you aint ever gonna find 10 ppl in a group

[iron knoll]

doesnt mean you should make it strong even alone! its a pack hunter, just like omni! i was able to run troodon pack with some friends and we were 6/7, prey always had around 3/4 troodon on it the whole time, while 2 regen stam!

[tight iron]

nono not strong as hell alone but decently playable

ofc it needs to be in a pack but you aint ever finding one even with the 1 call syndrome troodon gives everyone who plays it

[iron knoll]

adult solo troodon melts babies in like 3 pounces, so dont really need stam for that... bigger prey u need a pack.. i still try them solo cause i enjoy it, but yea, stam doesnt allow to keep up with it! but that is okay! solo or a couple of troodon should aim for smaller prey, big packs can hunt anything, even stegos

[vivid mason]

Mhm, 70% of them die in the first 10 seconds of a fight

[tight iron]

the baby hunter

[iron knoll]

ahahah the 1 call syndrome was funny, and so true

[iron knoll]

yea, i still wish troodon couldnt stay in sanctuary at adult, its so stupid

[tight iron]

yup

[iron knoll]

nothing can litterally fight an adult troodon in the sanctuary, if u hear them its just death in the sanctuary... and its not even fun for the troodon so idk what they are doing

[vivid mason]

Sanctuaries are supposed to be good hunting grounds for small solo carnivores that have a bad chance at finding food alone though

[iron knoll]

and half of them don't know how troodon works XD

[vivid mason]

Real

[tight iron]

pachies

i was playing pachy yesterday and dominating the entire sanctuary

[iron knoll]

true, forgot pachy can stay in the sanctuary until they can make babies

[tight iron]

fresh spawn pachy can maul a troodon

[iron knoll]

troodon pins a fresh spawn though

[tight iron]

i mean 60+kg

not 35kg which is pachy fresh fresh fresh spawn

[iron knoll]

yea, but u can find babies outside of it, like up to adolescent dinos (aside from stego) litterally die in 3/4 pounces

[vivid mason]

Not if the pachy is 5+ mins old

Troodon needs buffs tho

[iron knoll]

idk, i dont like the troodon pack camping the sanctuary game play. when im a baby getting mauled, and when im a troodon in the sanctuary.... i usually leave when i can do venom

[tight iron]

3 mins is all it takes

[vivid mason]

Sanctuaries are good troodon habitats tho, safe nesting spots away from the big big Dino’s

And very good for solo troodons that need food

[iron knoll]

if pachy didnt have the lingering hitbox, would be very easy for troodons... the amount of times i have died cause i pounced the pachy after it attacked and died

[woeful latch]

troodons camping sanctuary is scary

[iron knoll]

mmm idk, i survive as solo troodon with no issues outside of sanctuaries!

also, once nesting is back, troodon can be the goated egg stealer hehee

[tight iron]

had 4 troodons 3 raptors 5 herreras yesterday camping the sanc

[woeful latch]

🔥

[tight iron]

some things might get in but nothing gets out

[vivid mason]

REAL

[tight iron]

bluetooth pin made sure to not let me grow a pachy for hours straight

[iron knoll]

omni game play has turned to that: camp sanctuary or spawn area, and pin every baby u see

[tight iron]

get pinned from 5 times my body size and the raptor doesnt care about the bees killing him he wants me dead at all costs

[iron knoll]

lmaoooo looks so funny too XD i dont know if i wanna laugh or cry when it happens

[tight iron]

gaming

[tight iron]

fun

[woeful latch]

@vivid mason new clips

[tight iron]

or go around pinning ceras

[woeful latch]

troodon gaming

[tight iron]

amazing teno vs troodon

pinnacle of skill and expression

[iron knoll]

i well know, i play cera a lot and the amount of times i die as a baby to an omni is unbealivable! and fg ones

[vivid mason]

It’s inconsistent tho so that’s nice

[woeful latch]

love when my attacks are getting canceled

[tight iron]

yeh tad bit complicated to survive a fg raptor who's only there to kill juvies as a fresh spawn cera

[vivid mason]

Cera cancels teno attacks too

[woeful latch]

troodons would actually need skill to time the attacks right if they fix the bug

[woeful latch]

dilo too

[vivid mason]

wtf 😭

[woeful latch]

🔥

[tight iron]

insta puke rekts tenos

[iron knoll]

only with puking

[tight iron]

nothing you can do

[woeful latch]

also

[iron knoll]

yea pounce does that, idk if its intentional or not

[vivid mason]

Nope, it cancels attacks outside of puking

[woeful latch]

no not the puke, just bite cancels the attack

[vivid mason]

wtf bro 😭

Teno BADLY needs buffs and fixes

[iron knoll]

never happend to me, and i play cera and teno a lot! my cera bait never ever saved me to get kicked in the face XD

[iron knoll]

? what happens here (i have no audio cause in the office

[woeful latch]

tbf it bit my tail, but sometimes it bites my head

[vivid mason]

Walked into the tail and didn’t get touched

Look at this hitbox

[tight iron]

not cera

[vivid mason]

They got bit a body length away

[woeful latch]

dilo bit me even tho it was miles away, watch this clip too

[vivid mason]

Cera does, its a lot less consistent but it happens to me often

[iron knoll]

oh thank you! care cause there is an hack going around about that! hitting from far away

[tight iron]

bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[woeful latch]

😭😭😭

[vivid mason]

This isn’t a hack, teno hitbox extends a body length outwards if it moves 1 cm

Can’t even imagine how bad it would be WITH the hack

[woeful latch]

like you can’t say that’s a desync, because i was never standing where omni bit me

[vivid mason]

Teno needs to

• fixed hitbox (both receiving and offensive)
• semi-aquaticish gameplay

[iron knoll]

you know what teno needs? that the kick actually has a bubble of hit, so it can hit multiple targets with it... makes no sense that u can only hit one target with 2 feet launched in the back

[vivid mason]

Fr

[woeful latch]

that would be so sick

[iron knoll]

allow teno to claw attack while swimming

[woeful latch]

(that’s a bug)

[vivid mason]

There’s so many times I’ve kicked something and it didn’t even register I HATE it

[iron knoll]

dibble has that, steg has that, pachy has that! teno kick should have it too

[woeful latch]

yeees

[iron knoll]

they all come in and tank your kicks, cause only one gets hit!

[vivid mason]

Also I hate how Teno has the best semi aquatic potential out of all of the non semi aquatic creatures ingame, it has strong legs and a huge muscular tail to propel itself in the water AND sharp long claws to anchor itself to the riverbed

WHY ISNT IT SEMI AQUATIC?

[woeful latch]

filipe said they’re done with the teno and won’t add semiaquatic playstyle😭😭

[iron knoll]

watch all the dilos fly while they use that silly hitbox to get your venomed

[vivid mason]

They really have to, a semi aquatic herbivore would be SICK

[woeful latch]

YEES

maybe we wait for the chairus to be added

[iron knoll]

let teno catch and eat fish🤯

[woeful latch]

maybe when they’ll add more underwater stuff

[lilac bolt]

@carmine vector there are other dinosaur games go play those in the meantime if you're having so much trouble with the game rn

[vivid mason]

Teno makes more sense to be semi aquatic than beipi irl wise

[woeful latch]

i think it’s too much for the herbivore xD

[vivid mason]

Like dude, it doesn’t even use that tail when it’s swimming, do you have any idea how good of a swimmer it would be if it just.. moved its tail?

[woeful latch]

😭😭

[iron knoll]

hahah fair: claw attacking in the water would be enough for me! and the kick having a bubble hitbox to hit multiple target... and teno is complete

[vivid mason]

I want teno who latches onto the river bed and munches on seaweed

[woeful latch]

YES

[woeful latch]

that would be fire, i agree

hopefully they’re gonna add all that in the future

[iron knoll]

wouldnt even be too strong, cause ceras kill them in like 3 fully charge bites, plus bigger carnivores will be eventually added, and teno wont stand a chance vs allo or others, especially if it doesnt stun them

[vivid mason]

HOLD UP

Imagine a Teno who camps the water and drowns stuff that come near it kangaroo style

[iron knoll]

REAL

[woeful latch]

😳

[iron knoll]

TENO PIN IN WATER WHILE SWIMMIN WHEN

[urban flax]

plateo

[woeful latch]

Teno has so much potential tbh

[vivid mason]

Give Teno a kick/tail slap in the water that stuns and knocks back whatever is swimming behind it

[iron knoll]

I love teno, too bad i suck on it but i still play it

[woeful latch]

like it’s the best dino to add new mechanics

[woeful latch]

i spent unholy amount of time playing only teno to get good. to just have a chance against W+M1 ceras xD

[iron knoll]

i have to practice more on norden!

[woeful latch]

same👀

[iron knoll]

ign?

[woeful latch]

chwsy

[lilac bolt]

tuning or a rework on its combat mechanics would be so great

[woeful latch]

i’m gonna play tomorrow evening

on EU

[iron knoll]

i play a fair amount of cera, i would consider myself above average, even though teno hunt is one i struggle with! so i would be down to do cera vs your teno, than we switch it up

[woeful latch]

like what kind of rework?

[woeful latch]

yeah sure!

[iron knoll]

feel free to dm, or if u find me on norden EU my ign is Shady

[woeful latch]

🫡🫡🫡

[tight iron]

are you on rn

[lilac bolt]

idk but I feel like there are a few things with teno that could use a rework or tweaks rn combat wise it's the only reason I don't play it more personally

[tight iron]

cause boi do i love teno

havent been on norden for a while now but i really wouldnt mind sharpening my skills once more

[woeful latch]

you mean like removing stun after using tail slam? teno can’t move after using it which is terrible

[lilac bolt]

^

[iron knoll]

sadly not, ill be at 7pm im at work now 😦

[lilac bolt]

yeah it just makes it feel so clunky if you try at all to use in combat

[tight iron]

alr

[tight iron]

it's fair but the kick doesnt have those drawbacks and does more damagee

tail slam only useful to snipe ppl to break their combos and to intimidate

cause if you land two tail slams in a row your opponent is 100% leavin

don't use it against raptors, use it against ceras and tenos if you have the aim

[lilac bolt]

@tight iron I've liked some of your takes but you're really negative a lot of the time is there anything positive that you can honestly say about the current state of the game and or the known future?

[woeful latch]

the thing is that they made recovery animation too fast, basically you stun with your tail for like 1 or 1.5 seconds. at the same time your own attack stuns you.

basically what you need to do is tail slam, turn, run to your enemy, turn again and only then kick. and it take so much time you sometimes can’t even do the combo

[tight iron]

about a trillion things more less

[tired zinc]

Guys

U think allo will come this december ?

[lilac bolt]

early next year probably

[tired zinc]

Well thats some sad news was hoping to see it before next year

[tight iron]

map is absolutely beautiful, animations are amazing, models are greatly detailed, water is frickin great, combat is just amazing, not all about biting but stuns, pins, kicks, etcetera, adds more variety which i love, game's got an insane history with legacy and spiro, absolutely love carno drifting, alt bites, the skill expression of certain dinos like raptor carno and, to a certain degree, teno, diet system and being rewarded with a way less growth time for actually trying p much solves afk growing, some people in the community are just great, etcetera

[tired zinc]

The only thing in my opinion missing is some mid tier carnivores

[tight iron]

p much unique game in the sense that it provides me with a hard as heck challenge (be the best i can be) with the variety of gameplay, survival techniques, skills, food availability, etcetera

[tired zinc]

Like 1 or 2 for the current roster especially with Maia being nearly done

[tight iron]

really fulfills my personal attraction towards complicated, highly rewarding challenges

had been watchin videos about it for about a year when i said yknow what lemme try it

was extremely difficult at first but my competitive spirit got me to try harder and harder

[iron knoll]

which imo opinion can also make sense to have a long cd after that sort of attack, but all dinos should have longer cooldowns than XD slam is not worth to slam right now unless u are 100% sure to hit, and if u are fighting multiple targets, u are cooked if u slam. one missed slam vs cera and u lost

[tight iron]

the reason im always bringing up the same issues is in hopes that someone (a dev) will see it, bing it up and hopefully rectify them

and go ahead tell me this isnt absolute peak

[iron knoll]

imagine stego power swinging 10 times in 5 seconds, but teno takes 3 business days to move after a slam

[tight iron]

rare footage of me actually playing stego (4th time i think i play it?)

actually glad i found this game and sometimes mad cause i didnt find it earlier

[vivid mason]

OMG REAL

[tight iron]

so mr @lilac bolt there you have it

your request has been fulfilled 🫡

[lilac bolt]

thank you I really appreciate it.

[woeful latch]

yeah, you should never use a slam if you’re fighting multiple enemies

[tight iron]

if the game has fun as heck before (it really really was) theres still a chance of the game being more and more fun

it only takes time and some talk to hopefully change a few things and make this game absolute damn peak

[tight iron]

you cant imagine how much fun i was having yesterday as a pachy

i had so much fun i thought i was dreaming im dead serious rn

[woeful latch]

never really played as a stego, but it’s really good after the resent buffs

[tight iron]

maybe too good

[woeful latch]

it’s actually scary right now

[tight iron]

very damn scary

havent seen a single stego fight besides suicidal deinos

[woeful latch]

i feel like no cooldown on power attacks is too much

[tight iron]

and absolutely havent messed with any of them besides jvuies

[woeful latch]

lmaoo

[lilac bolt]

huh thought pachy was rough rn might try it out sometime today then

[tight iron]

and tactile endurance... oh man

[tight iron]

it does take some skill and you're still weak and vulnerable but theres a ton of power in that bonkinator

[woeful latch]

it’s actually should be removed for the stego xD

[tight iron]

i think it should be overall removed tbh

i don't see it bringing any good

[woeful latch]

it’s really not THAT bad

[tight iron]

stamina muts, combat muts, etcetera... eh

[tight iron]

oh man yesterday me (pachy) and a friend (teno) were fighting two ceras knowing damn well we aint ever running outta stamina

[woeful latch]

they nerfed it by 50%

it was 50% now it’s 25%

[tight iron]

yus

in petits it's 10% which makes it basically useless

[lilac bolt]

with some dinos it really can be lol

[woeful latch]

i mean, ceras don’t use any stamina for their main ability so i guess it’s fair

[woeful latch]

yes

[tight iron]

charge bite that costs stamina

[woeful latch]

pls ping me so i can see your response 😭

[tight iron]

absolute gaming right there

[lilac bolt]

ok lol

[tight iron]

anyways gonna go for a bit and commit some afk growing

[woeful latch]

🔥

[vivid mason]

teno buffs pls

teno buff AND redesigns

redesigns as in kit mprovements, i want semi aquatic teno i beg

[tight iron]

nerf claw attack bleed and speed remove 2 second cooldown between attacks make it like 1 nerf kick bleed by a bit (not much only a bit)

and make it so tail slam doesnt hold you in place after slamming

[vivid mason]

its bleed makes sense, those claws are sharp, and theres a lot of them

[tight iron]

yeah it absolutely does but bit too much imo

tiny bit less and we ball

like i dont think i should be able to bleed a raptor out with two claw attacks

[vivid mason]

you.. cant tho?

[tight iron]

if they run around like chickens yus

anyways if you dont mind im outta here for a bit

[vivid mason]

yeah well any sensible omni will never do that

[tight iron]

amazing chat we had

[lilac bolt]

alr cya

[tight iron]

btw the ppl who criticize something real hard often tend to like that thing enough to, in their minds, be worth it spending even hundreds of hours just to make it better

[frank tapir]

@plucky pollen #general-feedback message I'm pretty sure that's what happens when carno rams something too big

[plucky pollen]

I have fought tenos on carno, and if the teno does not do an attack you can ram it just fine

I would not give this feedback if this was an one-off occurence, its what i have taken away from multiple fights.

[frank tapir]

https://youtu.be/C7badMt3nhA?t=236 at just after 4 minutes

exact same animation

[plucky pollen]

yes, it is the stun animation
Dibble might have the same parry during an attack then, does not mean that they should have it?

You can ram full grown tenos if they do not do an attack and get away without getting stunned

[frank tapir]

it's not that every teno and dibble have automatic parries, it's a carno thing

[plucky pollen]

Well, then remove that, because it makes no sense

I have only noticed it on Teno personally, but why would you not be able to charge the tail anymore, just because it attacked the air?

[somber rapids]

this was a growth tick, dib was just big enough to no longer be rammed. She even says so herself, no?

[frank tapir]

yes, what I'm saying is that is what is happening in the videos he sent about teno

[plucky pollen]

might just have been her assumption, as the dibble started an alt attack

[plucky pollen]

That teno was set up, that was not a growth tick.
We were both fg

[frank tapir]

carno is a small game hunter, so it makes sense that it's attacks would be best on animals smaller than it

[plucky pollen]

why would i be able to attack a teno then, but get stunned because it attacks the air?
I see what youre saying but it does not make sense in this scenario

[somber rapids]

she does it as well a little later, I doubt dibble got the same parry as teno does as I haven't seen it but we can test

[frank tapir]

do you have a video of a carno ramming a fg teno?

[plucky pollen]

getting you one rn

[plucky pollen]

We have also tested on dibble, it does not have the same parry

[frank tapir]

You can ram a dibble fine?

or does it always stun?

[plucky pollen]

up to about 1600kg you ran ram it just fine, even when it alt attacks

Have not tested higher weight, but 2k was too heavy

[somber rapids]

the parry before/after an attack is only a teno thing, dibble doesn't have it

[frank tapir]

the teno stuff could be an internal mechanic we don't know about, the attacks adding weight as the teno is more 'grounded'

[plucky pollen]

Which is exactly what i want removed. Teno of all things, does not need any more crutches that help it in combat, especially against carnos

[frank tapir]

maybe try testing with other weight based abilities?

like deino grab and dibble knockdown

[plucky pollen]

It does not add weight in the Deino instance it seems

[frank tapir]

what weight was the deino you tried it with?

[plucky pollen]

3.3, as 3.2 gets stunned no matter what

[frank tapir]

hmm ok

do any playables have an ability similar to carno charge? that would only cause more damage based on weight and nothing else?

doesn't one of dibbles knockdown, then stun, then just do damage, based on the weight of the target?

maybe try a dibble size that should stun a teno

[plucky pollen]

We have tried with dibble, did not seem to make a difference

[frank tapir]

have you made a bug report?

[tight iron]

it's a hitbox ultra bug

[desert arch]

Pretty sure it got implemented back in early gateway. The reason for it was to try to bring back the unique interaction tenos attacks had with charge before u6.5, but server stability didnt let them so they had to find a band aid fix.

Which was to make teno completely immune to charge while kicking or tailslamming

[carmine vector]

i won’t because i don’t like them, im not having trouble with the game, im having trouble by dying because this game is both unbalanced and full of bugs, to all the kids that say “skill issue” or that the game is made to be hard, im not saying it doesn’t have to be hard but when you die falling from 3 meters after 4-5 hours to even get to 80% growth it’s a reasonable crash out.

not to talk about cheaters, like does anticheat even exist in this game? mixpacking? how is it fair to mixpack? yet no rules about that

[lilac bolt]

Just play other games for right now ig since the game is in early access things aren't gonna be the best they possibly can be right now so if you want take a break from the game then come back in a few months and check up on it. it's what I do most of the time.

[iron knoll]

teno hitbox is not as large vs other dinos though, aside from that being definitely a bug, i think its created by the carno charge hitbox being so large: at that distance you would hit, so it counts the stun from there.

but this happens only with carno, so definitely a bug to be fixed. i wish i could hit ceras from that far on teno XD

[carmine vector]

ok, bug as i said rn i don’t feel like playing other games, i have more fun on the isle but the point of an early access shouldn’t be to fix stuff? the rocks have been flying for more than a month at this point..

[plucky pollen]

i mean, the range at which the carno got stunned was not the point of the feedback, more the fact that the carno got stunned at all
None of those attacks hit anything, yet made the carno get stunned on the tail

[iron knoll]

yea so the different videos afterwards.... so technically carno should not get stunned by teno at all, unless hit by slam or kick of course

[plucky pollen]

exactly
basically, when the teno attacks with either of the secondary attacks, the tail area becomes unchargeable

[iron knoll]

i thought teno heavy enough... i guess its just a bug and its not safe from the spam charghing 😭

[plucky pollen]

as you can see, nope, 1600kg is still in chargeable size range @iron knoll
dibbles of that size aswell

[woeful latch]

@plucky pollen #general-feedback message one of the only few times bugs actually helped me instead of ruining my fight, but yeah even as a teno player i agree that this is ridiculous, i’m surprised they didn’t fix that, this bug was in game since the rework

poor carnos are struggling too much

[iron knoll]

yea, that makes hunting tenos much more doable!! hopefully they will fix it!
when i tried hunting a teno i was so scared to charge it D:

[iron knoll]

carnos aint struggling though, they demolish everything smaller XD

[tight iron]

carnos r struggling a ton

[woeful latch]

say that to the dilo having almost the same speed but 10 times better agility

[plucky pollen]

Carnos are great against about every other carnivore atm

They do struggle against herbis, where the bait and bite is still way better than the charge
Tenos would be much more approachable if the charge was more reliable, they deal enough damage as is and carno gets stunned forever

[iron knoll]

during day dilo stand no chance unless its a braindead carno, on night things are different, but still very doable

[woeful latch]

idk, maybe only if carno ambushes it? it’s really easy to just dodge carnos charges

[tight iron]

carnos are great against 1 solo raptor

[plucky pollen]

our experiences differ then

[iron knoll]

its really not with the charge hitbox, plus can spam the charge non stop

[woeful latch]

i don’t knoow, you would never kill a decent dilo with the current carno

[iron knoll]

carno can easily solo cera too, 1vs1 if played right, the cera is helpless

[cyan flame]

Not sure carno is meant to hunt teno, never really were, perhaps

[woeful latch]

even cera easily dodges carnos charges

i just dodge them as a teno too lol

[plucky pollen]

they definitely WERE meant to hunt teno, and they are still capable to do so

But this random stun is just dumb, the fight is heavily teno sided anyways

[iron knoll]

idk what kind of carnos u have fought, or unless it was at night (which gets you to purple in one bite) no carno should lose to a dilo lmao

[woeful latch]

most fights were on norden since carnos usually avoid tenos on survival servers

so it was day time

[cyan flame]

Random stun?

[plucky pollen]

#general-feedback message

its not so much random as more unexpected, as you get stunned even before the attack animation starts and after its basically finished

[iron knoll]

not with the current charge hitbox.... its gonna ware u down with tail hits eventually! idk man, i feel helpless vs cook's carno group 😂 im not the best player, but i ant terrible either XD

[woeful latch]

but i got this one clip

[tame jetty]

@dawn hound exactly. Frankly and truly agree with you. I posted a lot about my anti-mixpacking idea some suggestions ago, and have had a large discussion with questions, and answeres into this discussion channel.
(Clearify for any peeps reading this that just want to question my idea and find the holes: look at all my answers, and my whole anti mixpack idea. Many answers of your concern lies in there. + my idea is just a start, devs would perfectionize it)

But anyway, if you're interested in checking it out Inda. I'll leave them tagged here for you :D
My suggestion: #general-feedback message
A few, questions/answers discussions in further depth:
The Q: #general-feedback-discussion message
My Answers:
#general-feedback-discussion message
And here is a separate extended indepth, question and answer discussion:
The Q: #general-feedback-discussion message
My Answers: #general-feedback-discussion message

Hope we can battle mixpacking together 🥰

[iron knoll]

wait, im talking about dilo vs carnos... or u talk about teno vs carno?

[woeful latch]

i wanna try to fight them as a teno

[woeful latch]

doesn’t matter, it’s even easier to dodge as a dilo

[iron knoll]

🥲 what is that carno doing

[plucky pollen]

i mean that carno deserved to lose that, you gave him a fair stun with your kick 😂

[woeful latch]

that was so funny lmao, it was the only carno brave (and silly) enough to attack me

[junior nymph]

@supple void one you seem like a bad player 2 its not a starving sim if you know where AI spawn its fine I have never starved (i have played this game for 1600 hours)

[woeful latch]

xD

[iron knoll]

I mean, his strategy was to eat kicks to the face lmao, even if he ran he would have bled out

[iron knoll]

Oh, I was talking about dilo! As teno carno is doable to fight

[woeful latch]

lmaoooo xD

[woeful latch]

we should definitely do dilo vs carno fight

[tight iron]

wot

that was with the tap ram bug which is fixed

rn it's practically impossible he can just facetank you

[dawn hound]

broski, idk if you dont know this but all you have to do is kill anything and eat its organs. Each organ gives you different nutrition and can basically make your diet perfect.

[iron knoll]

I’m definitely not a carno good player, I played it once since the tlc, I like the old carno more.
But the strategy would be to just spam charge one way, charge spam away, charge you again

[iron knoll]

Yea, well, no carno will face tank you, and you are too slow to keep up! It’s gonna spam charge you to death

[woeful latch]

yeah that’s the strat

[cyan flame]

Didnt they add that a good while ago? Teno gets knockdown/stun resistance when tailslamming I think.

[tight iron]

mr shady have you played the new carno

[plucky pollen]

Thats not true at all

Maybe if you are talking about the real sweaty norden only ceras

Even 2 carnos vs 3 ceras are definitely doable on survival lol

[tight iron]

2 carnos vs 3 ceras...? it's impossible

guess why absolutely nobody plays carno? cause it's useless

[supple void]

Great game👍🥴

[tight iron]

unless the ceras are the worst ceras ever and the carnos are amazing, aint happenin

have you played carno so far in the last 6 months

[plucky pollen]

Well then we made the impossible possible and not only once, crazy

And no, even against decent ceras

[plucky pollen]

Almost daily for a while since the rework, yes

[tight iron]

not only once??

holy which server you playin in

[plucky pollen]

Its the most fun playable atm to me

[tight iron]

i want those ceras against me damn

[plucky pollen]

Petits

[tight iron]

i needa find those ceras if what you said is true i shouldnt have issues soloing 10 as a fresh spawn

[dawn hound]

I think that your suggestion is nice but way too complicated for some people to understand or read. The idea of putting personal areas around dinosaurs is truly nice but I dont know how it could work in a way where they would get debuffs or some other stuff if too long near one another and not attacking. The reason is because mixpackers will realize this and then will not go around their personal zone. I dont really know how to resolve mixpacking yet, but I might know how to resolve megapacks simply: if you have other dinosaurs of your own species and theyre not in your pack, both you and the other person will get a debuff ''discomfort'' which decreases damage on anything else besides you two.

[tight iron]

cera is an extremely capable hunter that can kill p much anything and carno is a weak ass p much useless thing against the things that it's meant to kill so against ceras... damn

[dawn hound]

carno is ment to kill ceras? huh?

[tight iron]

2v3 against ceras*

[plucky pollen]

Ah yeah sure, the typical "my experience is the only true one" you guys usually fall back one 😂

Im done with the "Carno is so bad" discussions, its doing great against 90% of survival players, thats all i need

[tight iron]

no sir

[plucky pollen]

Its more than capable to do so 🙂

[tight iron]

what u talkin about sir

i never said my experience is the only true one

[boreal briar]

@carmine vector
https://tenor.com/view/hadeel928-يوسف-العماري-موسى-الخنيزي-gif-1019745061637303674

[tight iron]

in fact im not even denying what you're saying

so i dont get the sudden burst you just had

also, you guys? who them

cause rn the only one saying "my experience is the only true one" is you

[dawn hound]

yall know whats crazy? dryo is quite underrated, like its rlly cool and can be good in pvp if used against the right animals the right way

[tight iron]

it surely is good against 90% of survival players... if they're juvies

[iron knoll]

i had one long session only with one, so not my best XD still survived.

but i got killed multiple times by carnos, even in a 3vs3, 4vs3, especially cooks group, they destroyed us! u need a spot where they cant charge you, or u will just get rammed to death with no way to fight back (if they know the right distance to stun you)

[junior nymph]

beipi is better in most ways

[plucky pollen]

Was more in regards to this 🙂
Sorry wasnt supposed to be some kind of burst, just had those talks enough with people that say carno is bad

Hence you guys

[tight iron]

if you actually played against ppl who know at least what an alt bite is you'd know that carno is absolute ass

[tight iron]

i understand

[dawn hound]

can agree but dryo is cool in its own way. Its like comparing a dog and a cat, you just cant, theyre both different animals

[boreal briar]

@dry falcon if you mean for actual game updates, check here if you are as needy as me: steamdb[dot]info/app/376210/depots/

They are making sometimes multiple updates a day, so it will likely not he too long before the next HT :]

[junior nymph]

until dryo gets burrowing and hypsi gets climbing they are all the same pretty much

[dawn hound]

dryo can juke pretty well I think, and hypsi can literally spit its vomit

[tame jetty]

Ok thanks for your input 👍I'm done with explaining everything. It's all in the suggestion and texts 😂 so ye.
Let's hope the toxic mixpacking gets fixed 🙏

[junior nymph]

pretty much I said and dryo has charges so it yes it can juke twice then it will get killed if the player is skilled at aiming

[dawn hound]

which, lets be honest here, people mostly arent...

[junior nymph]

depends lol if you are fighting a new player or a experienced

[dawn hound]

I have nothing against herreras since its pretty hard to hunt with it, but the players from my experience mostly dont even try...... Like yeah its pretty hard aiming your pounce and not get noticed, but those people arent even doing so..

[lilac bolt]

as nice as it would be to simply add debuffs to mixpackers you have to find way around it being abusable by players which I've personally yet to see a suggestion that wasn't overly complicated that actively fixed the original issue without just making more problems. honestly the only way I can think of is just adding it as a server rule.

[urban flax]

Mixpacking scent could is the goat

Doesn't actively debuff people under its effect
Just prevents them from going on a rampage because people can smell them coming from far away

[lilac bolt]

don't we already kind of have this in game though?

[urban flax]

I'm not sure

Some people say we do, others say we don't

Anyway it seems to be quite unreliable

[lilac bolt]

yeah

[lilac bolt]

I mean yeah that could work though if it's implemented well at least

[urban flax]

It's the only fix I've ever seen that doesn't causes more problems than it solves

[dawn hound]

adding moderation to official servers is unethical. They would have to be paid and they arent really that ethical. Its like those roblox games with applications so you could play a dinosaur. So boring. Anyways, systematic things to the game that will add vision stuff or systematic stuff, i dont know.

[dawn hound]

agreed, that is really great

[cyan flame]

We've had moderation on official servers back in legacy, and it worked out, more or less. So they could do that again, but they want game mechanics to fix things if possible, rather than server rules.

[tight iron]

there's moderation already

and it's not unethical for ppl to volunteer

[dawn hound]

in officials?

[tight iron]

yea

never heard of em?

[merry ore]

@dawn hound
I'll be honest, the best thing you can do is create a game design that avoids this, trust me Status debuffs and other negative effects when near other animals is horrible, I've seen other games implement this, especially Roblox dino games.

[dawn hound]

tell me an idea then if you have any please

[faint folio]

I think it's a little weird that so many people want to enforce anti-mixpacking, but only on carnivores. Herbi mix packs can be just as detrimental to gameplay. You can argue realism, except in real life there are examples of carnivores opportunistically mix packing too- ravens and wolves, for example

[merry ore]

Usually the game has terrain suitable for giving advantages to certain animals, such as bushes, forests, lakes, etc.

The best thing to do is to create structures that favor specific animals, such as small caves for dilos, smaller caves for even smaller animals, large rocks on which Pachys and Omnis are able to stay on top without any problems.

Basically a design that gives you natural protection against mixpacks and animals in general.

[dawn hound]

I get what you mean but how is this a full prevention? even if for example pachy can climb mountains, and dilos being in caves, preferred biomes that are for example in prior extinction are horrible idea. They already have their preffered areas to go to depending on what food is located there. As somebody mentioned before, the best way to get rid of mixpacks or to deal with them however you want is by being able to smell them. And to make this more punishable and fair, they should be smelled like REALLY far.

how could it work? well basically, I dont know, but there will be surely somebody to find out.

[dawn hound]

Herbis should be capable of going into a mixpack, but if this doesnt seem too right, they should make it so that only certain herbivore species can go and chat and invite other herbivores into their pack with other certain herbivore species: for example, stegosaurus and camptosaurus, etc..

[urban flax]

Herbis don't need to invite each other into a pack at all

Herbis of different species*

[dawn hound]

they could though

they dont need, sure, but they could

[urban flax]

I don't see why add it at all

That's a huge can of worms balance-wise

[dawn hound]

it would be cool tho

[urban flax]

uh

[merry ore]

That's why I'm suggesting environments with different advantages, Tunnel system, caves and different animal advantages in certain scenarios, for example:
Small animals like Dryo, Troodon and others might be able to run over the mud.
Pachys and Omnis would be able to climb rocks to avoid predation from Mixpacks.
Dilo with a small cave system
Ceratosaurus and Tenontos using rivers to quickly escape

Ceratos with access to bone locations (cant eat) to gain 50% damage reduction buff

Carnotaurus and Gallis do not need any specific protection as they are extremely fast.

[faint folio]

I disagree. There are many combinations of herbivores that are arguably worse than most carnivore mix packs. Pachy/stego, teno/stego, teno/peachy, etc. Also, herbivores irl don't typically defend other herbivores unless they themselves are also under threat. You might get elephants, zebras, gazelle, and buffalo grazing together in a savannah, but if a lion pride attacks a zebra, usually the other species don't care (note: this is different from "eat grass and die"-- literally all of these species except gazelles have been documented attacking carnivores individually). If we're going to allow select mix packing for herbivores (ie A can pack with B, but neither A nor B can pack with C or D), that's fine, but then carnivores should get the same treatment

[dawn hound]

as i said, the second part of the message

only certain herbivores can team with certain herbivores

but not in a way where its overpowered

[faint folio]

If you do that, then you should also allow certain carnivores to team with certain carnivores.

Especially because carnivore cooperation occurs too. Ravens will scout for wolf packs, and wolf packs will open up carcasses for the ravens

[dawn hound]

allosaurus and pteranodon arent the same as ravens and wolfs, are they?

[faint folio]

By that logic, stegosaurus and camptosaurus aren't the same as zebra and wildebeest, are they?

If you're going to say the real world example of ravens and wolves is not representative of what prehistoric animals may have done, the same applies to herbivore behaviors too

[dawn hound]

but herbivores casually team up, carnivores rarily, like the way youre saying ravens and wolves is because ravens are really smart, and can figure out how to make the wolves on their side. Even though there are smart carnivores like troodon or omni, it would just feel so unnatural. Tell me, does a group of cows and sheep sound more realistic than a coyote and a wolf, or they dont?

[faint folio]

Herbivores don't casually team up. If a wolf pack attacks a cow, the sheep in the same field are not going to run to its aid. More like they just don't aggro on each other

Asides which, coyotes and wolves do interact where their ranges overlap, there is evidence of hybridization

[dawn hound]

by saying pack i mean a pack, not a team. Stegosaurus and camptosaurus didnt come to help one another if one of them got attacked, unless the stegosaurus baby gets attacked and its mother comes to rescue.

[faint folio]

Right... So right now, a stego can hang out casually with a campto (if they were in game). There's no punishment for doing so. However, the game doesn't let you group together or text in game because you're not supposed to cooperate closely enough to need text or name tags

[dawn hound]

the overall game mechanic to see nametags in the distance is quite unrealistic, but it could be remade by making other packmates sniffable or hearable by roar.

[dawn hound]

I casually dont really care for it, besides the fact that herbivores already team up with one another in the game. But I am very sure that if there is a mixpacking system, the strongest ones probably couldnt mixpack together.

[tight iron]

send a tactical nuke to their homes

[dawn hound]

by now, there arent really that many game problems as there used to be. The only ones being mixpacks, megapacks and low amount of ai.

[quartz meteor]

If you don’t like mix packers, you do realize there are unofficial servers right? Just sayin.

[tame jetty]

Carnivore mixing wrong species together.
carnivore and herbi mixing, and herbivores being used for hunting. Is the wrong kind of mixpacking. indefinitely

[quartz meteor]

It’s a no rules server

What’s fun to you may not be fun to someone else

[tame jetty]

The game is build with a vision- the devs didnt put mixpacking together like that for a reason. Otherwise, they'd have let people mix wildely and freely.

[quartz meteor]

I mean if we’re going to remove mix packing, then it should be for all species. Herbies included

[tame jetty]

Its people being short minded that mix together like this. They should play pvp deathmatch dino games, or things like that. Not the isle survival game- which obviously build into realism (because as u see, the mechanics are in depth, and no roblox stuff lol) ect

[quartz meteor]

As it is, herbies are already the biggest strongest animals in the game aside from Deino… but you wanna allow mega packs of dibbles and stego… 😒

People are mix packing because they’re getting tired of people walking around in groups of 20 dibbles killing everything. Is that what the devs also envisioned?

[tame jetty]

The big mixpacking issue arrived with launch of evrima sadly.
In legacy we had a mind more towards the goal of the game- survival, realism (it is realism in wheater u like it or not because of how u see the devs build the game ect)
When evirma came, people started coming in from the wrong bowl, from pvp mindset apparently. And now even with indepth mechanics which comes back from legacy, now people still carry on this wrongful mindset of pvp dm

[quartz meteor]

No one follows the pack limits

But no one says anything about that…

[tame jetty]

Yeah, people misusing herbivores as hunters are also the big issue connected with mixpacking. Also what i mentioned above first message.

[tame jetty]

^

[quartz meteor]

What do you expect when a HUNTER is 1300kg and its food is 3tons or 6tons…

[tame jetty]

I've been loud talking about it lol, clearly players misuinsing herbivores for hunting just as much a issue connected with the mixpacking.
Best thing would be to throw these players that black the game, theyre really ruining the isle experience

Remember isle also is skill based. I've seen cera 1v1 dibble and win and eat it

[quartz meteor]

in this game, the herbivores are the actual hunters. Not the carnivores. No one is scared of a pack of carnivores, but 3 dibbles… everyone runs

Yes, but how often do you see a lone Diablo

And even if it does 1v1 you, the minute it starts losing, here come all 20 back up dibbles to the rescue

[tame jetty]

yeah its the lame people with the wrong mindset ruining everything for everyone. Again misuising the herbivore as hunter- because they dont want to follow the lifestyle of a herbivore which is (defend yourself, your area, your young, grasse and foster youngs and nest and migrate and travel)
people should learn in their heads, that a herbi is chill gameplay style, and if you want action, you pick a carnivore for the carnivore style.

but again, isle also is about skill, a bad carnivore will die to a good herbivore. and a bad herbivore will die to a good carnivore. And if the two are in same size class (meant to be hunting and preyed upon), then ig its on who endure the most lol

[quartz meteor]

I hate how people try to justify herbie mega packs because “oh we’re helpless little herbivores… we just eat grass… we are suppose to stick together…” knowing they are the strongest in the game.

[tame jetty]

I mean, devs could always be stricter on packlimit too

banning ppl for owerpack and stuff

[quartz meteor]

The other day I ran into 9 stego… not one, not two… not three… nine… and you think a pack of carnivores is winning that? No… we don’t have any kind of tank on our side. All the carnivores in this game are small delicate little flowers that herbivores like to kill.

[tame jetty]

Yeh like i'm saying, players should learn to pick herbies for the chill-defencive playstyle.
and carnivore for carni style - hunting, surviving ect

the packlimit overpacking could prob be bannable, and ppl would avoid doing it

[tight iron]

definetely wont learn if we keep getting unkillable herbis and mediocre-subpar carnis

nobody plays carno anymore cause it sucks, ppl wnat to hunt? they play cera or dilo

stego pop skyrocketed when stego got powerswing

then without powerswing cooldown now it's high as heck

p sure it's intentional tho (making herbis that crazy and carnis that meh) so that ppl pick herbi

[tame jetty]

Herbi always need to be in defence because of the carnivores hunting them. But its the people missuing their defence thats the big problem lol

[tight iron]

there's no way to force taht, that's player behavior

[tame jetty]

and like said, overpacking can just be wanred 1 time- and then ban them

[tight iron]

ppl want to be powerful so they pick stego/dibble

both are practically unkillable in the hands of a good player

i dont consider myself a great stego but as a 42% stego i just died to 35 troodons (counted), from which about 20 were killed due to my amazing ability to not give a crap about stamina and spam the damn swing like theres no tomorrow

theres in fact no tomorrow cause my stego is a corpse now tho

was about 2.5 tons

that just aint fair at all

i can stick my head up a wall and completely ignore the fact that stamina exists

if we keep getting unkillable beasts like these then yeah who the hell wants to pick a carnivore

specially now that's completely reliant on luck or you aint making it past juvie

get yourself a nice 250% growth boost as a stego and then proceed to murder everybody cause you are straight up unkillable

[tight iron]

overpacking and mixpacking

if they cant figure out a solution via mechanics, might as well moderate it

[tame jetty]

the people thinking this game some pvp, deathmatch, kill kill game. Yes they need moderation.
overpacking grosely, yeah also need it

I'm a bit tired talking bout it, because every time there's a oposite side to the discussion. So best would be devs just fix it, so mixpacking between diferent species carnivores, misuse of herbivores used as hunters, and grosly overpacking in large numrders get fixes/moderated from their hands. Really needed, clearly

And almost maybe devs doing something that rewards the player for playing how the game is meant to in their vision. Herbivore for defence style/prey and run away if oponents too strong. And carnivore for hunting style/ survival among themsevles and others. And the omnis being the mix of them or smth lol

[tight iron]

the game as we speak is a pvp game at this point

ppl treat it as such because it is that

pvp plays an incredibly important part in this game, you must fight, and theres nothing more enjoyable or worth it than fighting

[dawn hound]

unofficial servers arent the permanent way to fix it. The game has to be enjoyable on official servers too. Just sayin.

[tight iron]

^^

if you like mixpacking, go to unofficials that allow it, get out of the normal population

[mystic parcel]

@plucky pollen It’s weird cause when I play as a teno even when something is right on my ass my kicks don’t land. This is with good ping and fps

[steep swallow]

I hate mixpacking 🦖 🔥 🦕

[quartz meteor]

Welp, for the time being, it is.

[dawn hound]

well what if i wanna enjoy official servers? do i just have to go to an unofficial server that has moderators? it would be ten times more ethical to fix it by system and not by moderators.

[quartz meteor]

I mean yeah… for the most part.

[glossy marlin]

Can we a dedicated mix packing channel in the discord?

[rough wind]

no

[glossy marlin]

Before the all the kids hop in here… its a joke

[icy lion]

@abstract merlin Having 33% of all 3 diets gives you a 100% growth rate

Having 70% of one diet and 30% in another will also give you 100%

[abstract merlin]

yeah and thats super easy to get on a Deino 30% grow when bullfrog gives 0% Protien now and Cera and pachys and tenos just love to be in the water XD

[icy lion]

Deino should be hard to grow

[abstract merlin]

yeah but still i can get stego on 300% easy aint that supsoused to be hard also ??

just do the vomit trick

[icy lion]

It should also be hard, I agree

[glossy marlin]

Kinda the opposite, if you don’t like mix packing go to unofficial.

[icy lion]

There needs to be something to address the workarounds that exist

[tight iron]

no sir

if you like mixpacking go to unofficials don't ruin the game for up to 2000 people

[abstract merlin]

well i like that you can get 300% grow with the vomit trick thou just sad Cera and Deino cant do that XD and also going from 0% food to 100% with elite fish should give 100% lipid

[glossy marlin]

How is it ruining the game if the servers are always full 😂

[tight iron]

i dont think i need to explain why 3 dilos 2 dibbles 2 stegos 1 deino and 2 raptors ruin the game

[radiant nest]

It does

[glossy marlin]

Good because its not, there’s unofficial servers with rules for a reason. Cant hang on official go play on those

[abstract merlin]

i just did that on a Deino 30% growen and i got only 73% lipid

[tight iron]

go play unofficials that allow it if you like mixpacking that's how it should work

[radiant nest]

Then you weren’t at fully 0 food or something got bugged, cause eating any diet food gives 1.1 times the amount of nutrients as food

[abstract merlin]

then it must have bug caus am red HP and not been fighting but starving :/

[radiant nest]

Huh, weird. And you’re sure you ate until your stomach was entirely full, and only from that fish corpse?

[glossy marlin]

Should? According to who?

[radiant nest]

Devs who want to stop mixpacking through mechanics and have verbalized such multiple times

[tight iron]

unless you want absolute chaos that's how it should work

[radiant nest]

Besides if you support mixpacking, you’re supporting an entirely unenjoyable experience for everyone else. You get no sympathy here

[tight iron]

^^

[glossy marlin]

Oh thats funny

The same people that say we shouldn’t expose cheaters are the same ones crying over an in game mechanic

[radiant nest]

Huh?

[tight iron]

not like it's even close to the same 💀

sure make us look like the bad ppl cause we dont like publicly shaming people after justice has already been served and right after supporting mixpacking in officials 💀

good job making yourself look like a clown

[radiant nest]

What are we talking about?

I don’t know what mechanic or exposing cheater debate these are

[tight iron]

also mixpacking is not an game mechanic bruh

[radiant nest]

Oh wait that public shaming discussion yesterday, I remember that. Yeah that’s just a waste of resources if anything.

[glossy marlin]

Kinda like yall^

[radiant nest]

Better to put that time and effort into actually banning people and bettering anti cheat

[glossy marlin]

Oh yea… its in game and can happen….in game…

[radiant nest]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-black-guy-gif-5750196720983083288

[glossy marlin]

That buddy is called an in game mechanic

[radiant nest]

That’s not a mechanic

[glossy marlin]

Oh my they cant be saved…

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-gif-11437316614611695342