general-feedback-discussion

[haughty warren]

im also concerned as to why the omnis look the way they do, they want it realistic but continue to use the ugly JP look, ick.

[limber hull]

the JP look is here to stay. That's why they're called omnis

[haughty warren]

it's so ugly in comparison to other dinos though

[fast terrace]

survival realism
Also jp with realism is badass

Also aren't you getting low frequency rex and feathered utah?

[cyan flame]

They also want JP critters

[haughty warren]

they made everything else so percise and realistic then there's that funny lookin' backwater rat

[haughty warren]

wym

[fast terrace]

Utahs coming to the game in a very later stage right?

[haughty warren]

i dunno, maybe

[fast terrace]

Separate from omni

[cyan flame]

Omni, Troodon, Spino, and probably others

[haughty warren]

I mean that'd make omni stand out even more bc why have omni raptor look the way it does then a highly realistic utah, its such a weird choice

[tight iron]

ya

[fast terrace]

the devs want to pay homage to jp too ig

[limber hull]

yes

[haughty warren]

its like being a collector of figures that are super high quality then you go to toysrus and buy a low quality batman and stand it right infront of the high quality ones

its a joke, its ugly, look at it .

[fast terrace]

like I do wish spino had either it's legacy body plan or its current paleo accurate form but I'm fine with it being a monster, it will be fun and hard to grow

[fast terrace]

Thas an opinion but later on in game you may destroy dilos and omnis to your hearts content using utah

[urban flax]

Some people like how omni looks

[haughty warren]

unless the balancing stays wonky but yea

those people are respectfully wrong and its okay to have wrong opinions /lh

The omni beside any other dino in game doesnt look like it belongs, idk its uncanny

[fast terrace]

there's 1 balancing issue I have and that's deino vs stego
like it used to be 50/50 back when sprint alt biting existed
but is this a high priority issue? no I shouldn't even be hunting stegosaurus constantly

[haughty warren]

isnt carno right now a joke, i saw people real irked off bc it gets jumped so easily by everything rn

and its the only thing in the carnivore roster thats even remotely a "large dino"

[fast terrace]

I don't get why people complain about new carno so much, I'm loving missiling into packs of omnis and destroying them all

[haughty warren]

i mean thats fun yea but apparently its health is really bad. like.. to a point where people refuse to play it bc babies maul it or smth

[fast terrace]

cera, sure it's the most overpowered ever

But carno I can reliably kill ceras using correct technique

[haughty warren]

cera in most games is op

the isle and pot have that in common thats for sure and ngl as a cerato main in any game, i love it.

[fast terrace]

I'm loving the overpowered ceras lol

I like It when cera and allo is 50/50 but

[haughty warren]

for which game bc cera is a small dinosaur in POT, idk how it fairs in the isle size wise

[fast terrace]

Pot has overscaled dinosaurs tho so it would look alot bigger in evrima

[haughty warren]

Oh yea for sure, but every game is difference sizes iykwim

however i can agree POT has oversized things, though i dont think cera is one of them

[tight iron]

rn the isle itself is a balancing issue

very very very few things are actually balanced

[haughty warren]

yeaaa

[fast terrace]

Isn't campto the only accurately sized thing in the game rn

[haughty warren]

i worry for the rex era bc we all know how the devs feel about rex [hint its going to maul everything and be unstoppable]

uhh maybe? idk, i dont pay attention to that

[tight iron]

stego part 2

minor inconvenience

[fast terrace]

as a trike main it's going to be my goal to prove rex wrong since legacy

[tight iron]

im terrified about trike the most

[haughty warren]

good luck, with mutations it's going to have venom bites and armor and guns and laser eyes

[tight iron]

if dibble is THIS buggy and stupidly overpowered, just imagine trike

[fast terrace]

genuinely lmfao

[haughty warren]

welcome to this game and its rex, if it loses to anything it isnt the isle

[fast terrace]

That's spino

[haughty warren]

LMAO

[tight iron]

13 ton 3k damage with knockdown and broken sparring

[fast terrace]

Death and despair to those around

[tight iron]

if they use dibble sparring on trike, it is joever

[haughty warren]

Dude apexes in this game are going to basically be gods. What with their ability to fly and break necks

🙄

[tight iron]

trike casually walks backwards and knocks you down with its ass

[haughty warren]

ok thatd be peak

[fast terrace]

I hope trike sparring feels more heavyweight and controllable though

Devs have learned

[haughty warren]

hey isle, you wanna be realistic? let me roll down hills as a fat trike 🤷‍♂️

[fast terrace]

Hold on I have a video

[haughty warren]

anyways i gotta dip for bed, this was a fun talk though, gn all

[tight iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/859369469482631168/1286312750552846336/TheIsle9-ezgif.com-optimize.gif

gn man

[fast terrace]

@tight iron

[tight iron]

see

the most powerful attack for a dibble is ass attack rn

[fast terrace]

I find it funny lmfao

Although that was on norden where the ping is 200 billion

[tight iron]

ass attack:
damage 30
confusion 100

[tight iron]

you can bug out sparring and do that intentionally

no idea how to do it tho i dont play dibble at all

[fast terrace]

I've grown like 3 dibbles in its lifetime so idk either lol

[tight iron]

rip

this seriously makes me fear trike's release

[undone pewter]

You mean south spawn? It's been quite under control since we use random spawns, at least nothing remotely compared to what was the previous update without random spawns and without functional respawn timers. That was a disaster, nothing we could have done about it.

[limber hull]

Love this gif because it’s not even a dibble problem. It’s carno’s ridiculous stun recovery time

[forest fox]

all this video shows is a lag issue

[fast terrace]

It wasn't a complaint it was a video related to conversation topic

It's on norden so naturally the ping is horrible

[tight iron]

and an extremely short dibble stun cooldown

[limber hull]

stun cooldown is universal regardless of animal

[tight iron]

uh no

teno's cooldown is way longer than dibble's

[limber hull]

attack cooldown, maybe, but stun cooldown? no.

you can stunlock a carno ez pz same way dibble can because it takes so long to recover

it's only harder on teno because it's facing backwards

stun cooldown is completely universal

[tight iron]

me when i kick a cera 5-10 seconds after i stun combo him and i dont stun him

[wooden agate]

it literally does, regardless of how you feel about it. rex alone has 600+ animations.

[wooden agate]

dont you just love when people spout about things they know nothing about, poutine?

[undone pewter]

I mean SP was a real massive problem

But now it seems way under control

[wooden agate]

this is true, but if youre going to bring stuff like that up, you should atleast try to have updated info, ya know? random spawns have been a thing for a while

im all for critiquing the game, critique is how games generally get better over time. but to properly critique, you must have arguments that are grounded in reality and have current knowledge of the things you're trying to critique

its like if someone wrote a feedback post about 6.5 carno being overpowered and needing nerfs... but carno hasnt been like that in a while so it just feels like they're working on outdated info

if that makes sense

i also just woke up so excuse any weird phrasing or grammar

[limber hull]

@coarse spruce dont make them fix the ridiculous spit hitbox it's all we have please i beg you

[coarse spruce]

dont worry, they're not touching hypsi's kit in a million years

[mild isle]

I’m about to start playing The Isle Roblox

[limber hull]

why

dont subject yourself to that

[urban flax]

I'm gonna make a Roblox mod in The Isle once modding support is added

[boreal briar]

@rocky raptor I don't think all ponds should be big enough for larger Deinos to camp in.

[wooden agate]

also worth mentioning that the pond hes talking about absolutely is deep enough to get away from things

[rocky raptor]

I have video proving otherwise

[rocky raptor]

And no deinos should have safe ponds to migrate to for food and nesting purposes. Like telling you land Dino’s you have have this part of the map for your only food but it’s gonna be wide open Field with no cover or defense

[mild isle]

Could I see that video? My bf plays deino in that lake a lot and has even streamed his POV to me, it looks plenty big enough and he has never complained about the depth of it, in fact it’s his favorite spot lol

But to be fair I’m not sure a cera has swam over him and tried to bite, it could just be an issue of hitbox rather than depth

[boreal briar]

I agree they should have some safe ponds. But not all ponds should be accepting of large Deinos. There should be ponds that are only deep enough for smaller deinos to thrive in.

[mild isle]

Either that or you were just way too close to the shore, because the middle is massive

[steep swallow]

@slow gust Hererra isn’t supposed to be strictly a juvie killer. You can kill adult troodons and Omnis, take out lone Dilos fairly easy, and many other dinosaurs before they are full grown. You are just as fast on land as a troodon, faster than Cera and more maneuverable than Carno. If you are getting caught out in the open by an Omni that’s simply a skill issue. If you are starving at a juvie then go to the beach for turtles and crabs. Sorry to say but Hererra is one of the easiest carnivores to grow to 100% because of your ability to get out of danger, and so long as you have some patience it can be an absolute menace without having to rely on a pack like other carnivores.

[boreal briar]

Very true. Herra has no actual predators right now other than cannibals since they can just run and hide from everything. They also have a near guaranteed diet with fish.

My deaths are me being way too ballsy with my pounces more than anything else x]

[steep swallow]

I’ve died more to other Hererras on Hererra than anything else. Yes, juvie stage sucks because of how slow you are but that’s why I just try to avoid PvP and go for ai.

With Hererra to escape things you can climb a tree/ cliff, jump off a cliff, or jump into the water and dive.

[rocky raptor]

Agreed, large ponds like the ones on the west and south yes, there’s allot of rather small diameter ponds that should not be deep like jungle pond and coastal pond

[rocky raptor]

I don’t like hearing that the game is free roam but 1 playable is restricted to THIS part of the map kinda thing, understand the deino diet is shot so the only other option for food are those ponds (which aren’t “easy” to get to) you have to earn it and use a whole mutation spot to get to them so it’s not unfair to ask for them not to be deeper or fix the hitbox so you can’t get hit at that depth

Like try putting more food in the ocean so salt water mutation has some benefit to deino other than using it to get to other food sources.

Deino main for about the last year has been restricted to one map and is a small map if you isolate all the land and leave the river if you think about it, that gets pretty old

[boreal briar]

Ocean gameplay will probably not get expanded until more than just deino and beipi is playable there. I've seen the concept art and I think they want to do quite a bit. But you can't really expect a water playable to not be restricted either xD

[rocky raptor]

Where do I share this video

@mild isle

[mild isle]

My DMs are open

#general-feedback message it’s intended for all players to not be able to smell something right away when it dies

[rocky raptor]

Look at that range

[sudden shell]

#general-feedback message
@cursive hinge
bodies have a short period where they dont give off a scent right after theyre killed. its to let small things eat a decent amount of something they kill before something big smells it and takes it

[cursive hinge]

Just killed another boar and i could have smelled it immideatly, few mins ago i killed a boar and i couldn't smell it :)

[sudden shell]

then i have no idea

[cursive hinge]

for this one i had immideatly, this small one still nothing

for the bigger one *

[sudden shell]

did you eat most of the big one?

[cursive hinge]

not at all just testing the scent

[sudden shell]

weird

[cursive hinge]

i mean it's not that game breaking if i killed it im gonna eat it immideatly, but it can be tricky trying to find it again

[cursive hinge]

before this i killed a deer, i overate and puked so i can fill up even more, i was gone for a drink came back to the position with cords cuz smell wasnt working

[midnight heath]

That's not carno specific

[cursive hinge]

so everyone is having this issue?

[midnight heath]

I think most people who've played carnivore have experienced it; I've noticed it on dilo and herrera.

[cursive hinge]

ah okay well atleast we know now

[boreal briar]

@cursive hinge you are probably gonna have that deleted and told to make a bug report. Might wanna rephrase it more like feedback.

[cursive hinge]

Yea but i dont know if it's a bug or not, as henry said they added where bodies now have a short period where they dont give scent right after theyre killed

[boreal briar]

hmm, yeah I guess?
Just wanted to give you a heads up, since quite often it's removed without the option to reword it first.

[waxen moss]

@cursive hinge There's a cooldown to smell bodies you can skip it by eating from the it.

[glossy marlin]

@split bear brother they cant even get the na1 and na3 servers back up. We far from console lmao

[dawn hound]

I didnt manage to send an image to my suggestion but i will send it here since the one before turned into a zip file for some reason

[icy lion]

@limber yoke /unstuck

[gentle lichen]

everybody is talking about hotspots, but where are the hotspots? O.O

[north quiver]

highlands j sector, highlands lake, west rail, west access (sometimes), south plains

but sometimes or a lot of times they can be empty but those are usually where hotspots tend to form

[gentle lichen]

well weirdly whenever we are roaming for food, there is nothing. you gotta be really lucky

[north quiver]

yea I’ve had days where I didn’t find squat anywhere then I’ve had days where nearly the entire server is there

[limber yoke]

dont tell me thats an actuall command...

[fast terrace]

it is a real command iirc has a 500 second cooldown each use too

[gentle lichen]

Yeah but it only works if nobody is near

[dawn hound]

highlands and south plains are mostly filled with players, but south plains is more likely to be

[limber yoke]

Well... we were stuck in there with 3 ppl xD

[wooden agate]

south plains has continually been dead every time i visit now. not a bad thing, sure, but meh

im more likely to find people at west rail access nowadays

northern jungle is also suprisingly active nowadays? same with river delta

[tight iron]

no hotspots rn

[icy lion]

@summer olive Are you getting troodon and compy mixed up?

[barren zephyr]

@pseudo dagger there are 2 more na servers. They are down at the moment.

[summer olive]

yes actually youre right

still it would be nice to have more than one playable scavenger ingame... even ptera isnt even a scavenger as it only can eat fresh corpses and fish

ceratos alone and the ai dont do much cleaning up at all, since ceratos are overpowered anyways and rather hunt than scavenge for food

[rocky raptor]

<@&505047238674874368> or developers, if you can’t discuss what you do about cheaters what can you discuss? What transparency is available?

[summer olive]

none

[rocky raptor]

My feedback would be making it very clear what happens to cheaters to help prevent it, not making it clear I don’t feel helps the community

[summer olive]

[boreal briar]

Only other option is going into the text chat for your area like #evrima-na and pinging an official server admin with your in game name and server. They will be able to help you (if they are free at the time)

[rocky raptor]

I understand what an NDA is

[boreal briar]

Try typing @officialserver in one word. That helped the autocomplete with me, if should let you tag them..

[rocky raptor]

Thanks 🙏

[steep swallow]

Troodon eating whole bones doesn’t make much sense lol, I’d rather see Troodon get a big scent range for eggs/ nests

[spark roost]

I'd just be happy if they could have frogs on their diet

[barren quarry]

@merry ore This would lead to nothing but a massive influx in spawn killing. Tons of juvis of the same species in one small spot would make lots of noise in a small area through chatting, and once a big dino has located the spot they can just non-stop kill all the juvis which respawn there in the 30 minute window. It would also drastically reduce the amount of 1-calls since no one really needs to go scream around to find other players of the same species anymore. Would not only make the world feel more dead, it would also make it harder for carnivores to locate players to hunt.

[merry ore]

No, that would be more beneficial and on the issue of killing, congratulations you just discovered natural selection
(about the calls, the players would communicate constantly so there would be a lot of sound)

[barren quarry]

What about it is more beneficial? People are already spread out because of the random spawn mechanic.

This game isn't nature so natural selection plays no part here. You are literally plopped into existence, that's not how nature works.
There would be zero fun in spawning into a pile of corpses of your own species, with a circle of Dibbles/Stegos/Ceras waiting there to kill you instantly.
Players who are already in a group communicate mostly by chat which only does the small range F call. Theres no reason to 1 call if you know where to find people of your species.

[lilac bolt]

doesn't help that there are a dozen other mechanics planned and currently in game that can help with the same things that are listed as positives

[steep swallow]

Meh, frogs is still reliant on ai spawn, eggs would give a cool playstyle to solo troodons

[merry ore]

no, people are not spread out, the northern region of the map is a large, dead region, making people look for populated areas.
Many "stopped living" because of dead regions to be born in prosperous regions

furthermore

Who is the genius who spams call 1 to reveal his location? everyone uses chat for that

[lilac bolt]

doesn't mean that people aren't spread out in other places?

north is dead because there is little to no reason to go there currently although that can change

[limber hull]

I'm also not sure what making everyone spawn in the exact same place for 30 minutes would do for spreading out LOL

Spawn codes are infinitely better a concept, as the spawns remain random, but those who want to spawn together can

[merry ore]

There are 100 players on a huge map, populated points will exist in response to this, if the northern region becomes populated, the southern region becomes dead.

My proposal is that the number of herbivores in packs and eggs would increase drastically and as they don't starve, they would navigate the map without any problems.

[merry ore]

not everyone, just some specie.

[lilac bolt]

yup

[merry ore]

if you are talking about me implementing spawn of 17 at the same point of course

[lilac bolt]

already basically done with how random spawns currently work. they aren't truly random

[limber hull]

^

[merry ore]

The damn thing makes me born in Antarctica and you tell me it's not random

[lilac bolt]

the system is basically the same as what we had before you just can't choose the location that you spawn to, that was the only thing that was actually randomized. there are still set locations where something can spawn per species

[summer olive]

Not whole bones. More like leftovers

[tight iron]

if you edit a ping in the message it doesn't actually ping

[merry ore]

That's why it's random bruh, I thought it was common sense that the spawns were based on the old ones, the game randomly selecting between them.

Only some spawns are strange, like those where you spawn in places that weren't in the old spawn list.

[torn void]

#general-feedback message
Why is that so hated? Lol

[limber hull]

Carchar is roster bloat incarnate and having them as a literal model choice which hardly deviates from giga only proves that

[summer olive]

Na4 east teno eggs

[wooden agate]

while i agree with wavepoole, i do think its interesting you suggested this considering juvie giga from legacy is a modified carchara model

with sub giga being the OG giga model

coinky dinks

[torn void]

Use less intelligent language, I didn't understand anything you said

[limber hull]

Carchar same as giga

Why add carchar

Game have varied roster what the hell

[torn void]

Make them different, as I suggested make the giga faster and with less stamina, carcha slower and with more stamina
And then the two will be able to walk in groups together (as happens in some servers with acro and giga) and then there will be an interesting variation of the groups.

[limber hull]

I think a minor stat rework doesn't justify it at all personally

This game prides itself on widely varied animals

It also will inevitably make "giga" and "better giga"

[torn void]

The models are different, the status is different and it's not that difficult of an addition to the game since we still have the old giga model

[torn void]

So balance It.

Also, each of them will be better for each thing

Carcharodontosaurus with its higher stamina and stamina regen will be better for long battles while the giga with its low stamina and high speed will be better for short battles.

A creature with different model and status are not the same lol

[junior nymph]

@limber hull did you see my sugestion and what is your opinion on it?

[abstract narwhal]

@hot oak and it’s not just herras and Petra’s it’s Beipis too smh. I had to relog 3 times and eventually gave up! #general-feedback message

[mild isle]

We should all start talking in less intelligent language, it’s funnier

[boreal briar]

@torn void I think legacy folks need to realize that Evrima is a totally new game. Every dinosaur is gonna make people complain "but muh legacy, muh nostalgia!".

The devs try to keep pieces but you can't expect them to just move the entire dinosaur over from legacy without making any changes.

[merry ore]

wtf

[boreal briar]

Wtf what

[mild isle]

I’m genuinely confused on why it seems a ton of people in this server are against carnivore being easier to play, I get it in a way- but it really doesn’t feel like a skill issue on my part since even my friends are struggling to grow carnivores to adult much less keep them there.. I genuinely enjoy pack hunting but I haven’t seen an adult group in forever lol- the last 2+ group I’ve been in was just a bunch of Juvi/Sub omnis.

I only tend to see adult carnivores if it’s a Cera ngl and I don’t play Cera

[urban flax]

(A ton being 2 in the case of your recent feedback)

[wooden agate]

we already have close to a 2/1 carnivore - herbivore ratio, making them even easier could very well make that ratio so much worse

[urban flax]

That is also an important consideration

[mild isle]

Not necessarily referencing just my feedback, others have made such posts before and it always leans in favor of no but I wanted to bring it up again

[rocky raptor]

Right though, I rarely see an adult Carno anymore, mostly I see adult Cera, stego, teno, dibble,

[mild isle]

That’s understandable and I definitely see that on unofficials which show how many are playing what Dino- but I believe you also have to keep in mind how many of those are adult carnivores.

I typically only see juvi/sub carnivores fighting tooth and nail to survive only to eventually die before reaching adulthood regardless. Not to say it’s not possible, I’ve seen a share of adult ceras- but I play dilo a ton and it’s getting rough. I’ve had to result to cannibalism a few times just to see another day. (And we met some juvi dilo that was eating his friend right before we died to the 6 pachys LOL)

[rocky raptor]

I’m happy with current spawn system, spreads it out a bit

[mild isle]

I think Cera is the easiest carnivore to grow because if you can manage to reach a certain % then you can hunt pretty reliably solo. As with Dilo we hardly made it to 100% and when we did there wasn’t anything we could fight and survive fighting

[boreal briar]

Meanwhile I mostly see carno, cera and dilo xP

[rocky raptor]

Just wish there was a /forcerespawn command

[mild isle]

I would also like to add again that carnivore is always going to be a fan favorite. It won’t go well forcing people to play herbivore just to have fun

[rocky raptor]

If I see a carno or play carno it seems not long before a group of ceras kill it lol

[rocky raptor]

Only reason I slightly disagree with that is because of the increased cannibal activity that seems to match the deino.

To me the Cera is the Land deino at this point, but the devs seem to favor Cera over Deinos

[rocky raptor]

Cera gets better Diet options I think

[steep swallow]

Probably just because you lumped all of them in together, Cera is one of the easiest Dino’s to grow/ play. IMO the biggest change needed is the bug telling you preferred food is in the area and you get close and nothing is there

[merry ore]

my proposal is based on the current system, just with a different rhythm.

Anyone who is against my proposal has no argument against it other than "omg cannibalism"

And then they prefer to ignore the beneficial points that are more advantageous than the "harmful" ones lol

[icy lion]

I just don't think it's necessary when we've got spawn codes coming

[queen ember]

@wooden agate the issue with just making it based on your growth stage is that you have to account for stuff like Dryosaurus or Herrera. A Juvie dilo should still realistically be able to envenomated them. Hence why it should just be left as is. Because they are so small the venom shouldn’t affect something like a raptor or other large animal too much

[boreal briar]

Very true. It'd give us the best of both worlds. Random spawns and spawning with friends.

[wooden agate]

yes, thats why it added in the weight requirement

if you weigh more than the animal youre attacking, youll apply venom regardless of stage

so you really only need to be 175+ kg to envenomate herreras/dryos

[queen ember]

True

[boreal briar]

I quite enjoy the stage/weight for letting the babies envenomate. It lets them hunt without letting them be broken in group hunting with large dinosaurs.

[tight iron]

many unofficial charts show an insane playerbase of herbis

up to 70-80% herbis

so they form herds and become unkillable forces, forcing carnis to go after the carnis that they can't find (good luck finding any that you can kill), which also forces carnis to go after the non existent ai to survive

and with random spawns and the map being as closed as it is, good damn luck growing something like a carno

[wooden agate]

which unofficials?

cause heres petit pieds from right now

and then islander spawns since last restart

[north quiver]

this picture hurts me physically

last picture of that I saw a while ago showed herbivores actually being played a lot more

(I wonder what could have possibly happened to make them less popular lol)

[tight iron]

rare occurence from what ive seen

petits had insane herbi pop particularly stegos the other day

about 30+ stegos

and about 20-25% carnivores

[wooden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-sure-jan-sarcastic-brady-bunch-gif-11590179

HGUH

[tight iron]

embed fail moment

[wooden agate]

idek why its not a bad gif

https://tenor.com/view/cat-underwater-gif-922906369727670801

it seems they disabled gifs entirely in here

[tight iron]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-the-isle-gmod-troodon-troodon-the-isle-dilophosaurus-gif-9629496049012538059

wtf

[wooden agate]

tenor is supposedly having issues, #isle-discussion

[tight iron]

biggest bruh moment ive seen in a while

yup tenor is absolutely dying right now

[wooden agate]

i really thought we lost gif permissions here i almost got very sad

[merry ore]

When I create 500 carnivorous animals made to hunt medium and large animals, and the only efficient herbivores in the current state are Teno, Estego, Diablo and Galli (Omnivore):

[tight iron]

galli be very efficient at running at the sight of a troodon yes

[wooden agate]

kicking them into the ground is more fun

[merry ore]

The game cycle system is poor and herbivores do not influence the environment, That's why playing herbivore is boring and most people choose carnivores.

[tight iron]

it's also boring to get no action cause everyone knows you're busted

[merry ore]

Herbivore Instructional Rules:
Don't die
Eat potato
Fight
reproduce

[tight iron]

well not busted but either theres nothing made to kill you or the thing that does it sucks at it

[merry ore]

Ye

[tight iron]

excluding dibble n stego ofc those r busted

[merry ore]

I would love for herbivores to be able to influence the local environment.

[tight iron]

yoink the grass

[merry ore]

Something like:
The server was born without vegetation, the presence of herbivores and their feces make vegetation grow and create a healthier and more dynamic system.
Without herbivores the place becomes dead, without much vegetation and trees, or anything related.

It's just a suggestion for dynamic interaction with the environment.

[tight iron]

then you gotta make herbis not be braindead grass eaters

not much fun in that

[merry ore]

Something that would make the herbivore's presence more justified, as if its absence would unbalance the ecosystem (which is what happens in real life)

[tight iron]

thing sin real life don't get to choose tho

[merry ore]

That's the problem, the herbivore's only function in the game is to be a carnivore that eats plants lol.

[tight iron]

p mcuh

[tight iron]

one exception which is teno vs cera

only herbi vs carni matchup that's completely based on skill

cera n teno are balanced the rest aint

well tbf no im wrong

[merry ore]

The funny part is that some people want some animals' gameplay to be skill-based, Jesus Christ this is a dinosaur game, their abilities are tied to instinct, not skill, skill is only important to increase your efficiency lmao.

[tight iron]

cera teno raptor troodon herrera and dryo are all decently balanced

[merry ore]

Troodon is a great example of an animal that relies entirely on its abilities and is the weakest animal in the game.

[tight iron]

the abilities are tied to skill tho not instinct

a player with virtually no skill won't make it past juvie

no hunting skill, no pvp skill, no pve skill, etcetera

[merry ore]

Skills are tied to instinct.

An Omni raptor is able to use pounce easily on many animals, it does not require skill as it is a natural "instinct" of the Omni to perform this action without problems because it was designed for this.

[tight iron]

but you ain't a raptor tho you can't have the instinct to do that

[merry ore]

What I call instinct in this game is the purpose of a playable

[tight iron]

it's tied to skill (brain power) not instinct

skill in pressing rmb, do some basic calculations, etcetera

a cera's purpose is to scavenge but they're the best hunters, so they don't work on what u call instinct

[merry ore]

If an Omni sees another player, especially one smaller than him, he doesn't think anything other than instinctively using pounce and killing, he does it without calculating anything because it is his purpose.

[merry ore]

The Isle Moment

[tight iron]

sire do you realize how little sense that makes

like taht's the opposite of reality

if the raptor doesn't calculate, he randomly presses rmb in hopes that something tiny is in the perfect spot?

[merry ore]

He Will die bruh, I think we're having a little confusion here.

[tight iron]

but the way you're saying it makes no sense tho

if he doens't need to calculate anything, it's by far the most busted ability cause press rmb get teleported to a dryo and kill it

[merry ore]

What I'm saying is that the purpose of a playable should be simple for its function, without many challenges, all it needs to do is increase its efficiency.

[tight iron]

without skill there's no efficiency tho

[mild isle]

It’s fine though, at least I can grow a carnivore on The Isle Roblox

[merry ore]

Calculating his action is just a natural consequence of being successful.

The gameplay of the Omni raptor is simple and easy, its skills make its purpose and are naturally hunting instincts, if an animal is raised and depends purely on skill and not on instincts, he will probably die.

Do you know what skill is? An Omni killing a carno using its natural attack without using its hunting mechanics or environment to its advantage.

This is skill

[tight iron]

it's the opposite

calculating his action is what makes him successful

[mild isle]

Are we still talking about dryo and Omni

[tight iron]

you seem to forget that you gotta use your brain to kill something

and that you arent a raptor irl youre playing as one

you need game knowledge and more, that's skill, and that's what makes you successful

a player without skill won't ever make it past juvie

[mild isle]

There’s more than one definition of skill. I’d say using terrain and mechanics is tactical skill rather than raw skill

[undone pewter]

A lot of herbie players just stopped playing until they fix the broken nests

[merry ore]

I'll make it very clear what I mean by instinct in this game, it's an animal designed with mechanics/stats that fulfill their purpose very well, the rest is just calculations to make their abilities more effective.

[tight iron]

also that

[undone pewter]

Mostly that

[tight iron]

but that's flat out wrong tho

you can't make your own definition of instinct and make it encompass skill, then claim you dont need skill

[mild isle]

Can we just use instinct for its real meaning and find a word that genuinely works here

[merry ore]

This is not my own definition, it's how the game works and that's why the animals in it are unique from each other lol.

Skill here is just a way of creating an efficient path to accomplish your function.

[mild isle]

I mean you keep using the word purpose and function, both of those work so much better than instinct

[merry ore]

In the game there are no instincts as the definition says, I'm more referring to the natural capabilities of the dinosaurs, since they have no instincts, the only instincts are those of the player off-screen.

How to eat, drink water and Hunt.

[tight iron]

no sir

that's your own definition which contradicts the actual definition of the words you are mentioning

[mild isle]

Instinct is built-in knowledge for an animal. Humans playing the game can’t have instincts to rmb as raptor if they don’t know you can rmb, it’s not an instinct

[merry ore]

I've made it very clear that I'm not using the actual meaning of the word, just a version of it that applies to the game, why are there no real instincts in the game other than the off-screen player, who when playing an unconscious animal thinks about water, food and hunting, nothing more.

[tight iron]

exactly

[tight iron]

there's no version that applies to the game tho

you're saying certain things that contradict the meaning of the words to their roots

[mild isle]

Just use the word purpose for my English nerd sanity please

[boreal briar]

I don't think they are really that bad @violet vessel. How would remaking it from the ground up help? Aside from the navmesh getting destroyed by the UE update they've been added on and changed several times without much issue. Why bother tearing it down?

[dawn hound]

they are

their complete movement is unnatural, and their behavior is dumb, or the fact that the boar can literally almost one hit an adult troodon. I remember killing a family of goats, and they didnt even care that I killed the kid's mother, it just kept on walking.

Schooling fish are literally levitating above the water

[wooden agate]

boar being able to kill troodons is pretty nice though and frankly realistic

boar,,, oh the enemies of the south

[dawn hound]

yea sure, a boar can one hit a 60 kilogram animal

[wooden agate]

invasive little turds that dont die no matter how many bullets you put in them

[dawn hound]

troodon is one hit by 90% of the roster...

[wooden agate]

why would i be talking about troodon when i said that

[dawn hound]

youre talking about the boar?

[wooden agate]

i was talking about boar

they are infact evil little turdstains which just... take so many bullets sometimes

[dawn hound]

ah ok

[wooden agate]

god

good luck if a boar finds you out in the wild because they stop fighting only when they drop. and it takes alot to make them drop

[dawn hound]

but really, i highly doubt a boar could kill a 60 kilogram human irl with just one hit. Like yes, fractures might occur, but this is just absurd

[wooden agate]

boars can reach upwards of 100kg, its not entirely unheard of. its also possible that these are genetically modified boar used specifically for feeding the animals

oh if that boar gets a hold of a 60kg animal and begins thrashing, it is SO over for that animal

also you still kill boar in like 2-3 pounces, its easy enough to kill em

[dawn hound]

but the boar in the game rams into the prey

[wooden agate]

its biting, it just doesnt really have a bite animation

hence the bleed (boar bleed is often the death of me)

[dawn hound]

okay, sure, they can one hit a troodon, but the fact that even if you go to the side of them, they will literally just autoturn

[wooden agate]

that is a pretty big issue yeah

also the fact they can hit you from behind makes it worse than it seems

[dawn hound]

I dont mind it killing me in one hit unless we keep the autoturn of the boar

[wooden agate]

ideally we'd get a pathfinding rework for them and a LOS for them to make ambushing them slightly better

[dawn hound]

btw idk if stamina is reworked but...

I dont think the hellish amount it takes to regenerate stamina is needed

like even ME, a human that barely ever does sports in life, can regenerate energy after running faster than a herrera for example. And I know the proportion is very big, hence herrera being an animal that runs 20km+ or so, and it weighting almost 200kg, but it is legit quite weird how long it takes.

im not just talking about herrera tho

[wooden agate]

humans are also expertly designed to have insane amounts of stamina

also herrera runs at 45km

[dawn hound]

idk how fast he runs

but the thing is

i dont really care about its running stamina

but the fact that tracking prey that has more than 5 braincells that actually runs away after being hit is hard, because you loose alot of stamina doing those tree jumps.

[wooden agate]

it only takes 2:55 minutes for it to regen from empty to full

[dawn hound]

it feels like eternity.

the prey runs within a minute anyways

[boreal briar]

How is this needing an entire overhaul where they dump everything they've done? They can add to the AI without needing to wipe the entire board clean.

[dawn hound]

okay, not the entire thing. The models and animations are cool, but the rest aint...

the attack hitboxes are just broken sometimes...

[boreal briar]

Yeah it's just changes that need to be made not a whole overhaul. I know they act dumb as all heck. Their running also has to be a balance between run straight away and the old deer running thry had. Bastards would juke left and right like nobodies business, it made it super hard to kill anything that matched your speed.

[mild isle]

When I think overhaul I think as in the coding of it not the model designs

[dawn hound]

I remember at the launch of gateway when I was chasing a boar as a troodon, and since I suck at this game and I normally get 10 - 30 fps, I had hard time even pouncing that guy, since of the constant juking.

[mild isle]

Also it has been a long while since AI on evrima worked as intended it may be beneficial for developers to wipe the code and retry on horde test or smth

[dawn hound]

yea but not animations and models tho, just... the rest.

[mild isle]

Yeah

[boreal briar]

I think it's just that right now most of the attention is on playables and stuff that messes with gameplay. I'm curious to see how they turn out when the AI gets a chance for more love.

[dawn hound]

I cant really do balance change suggestions, unless I know some havent changed. The reason is because my pc cant even run smoothly after loading a picture of low resolution mario, and the only gameplay I can do in the entirety of the game is playing as a herrera and hanging out in the same place for hours. I can only suggest cool addons like seafish, or something.

[steep swallow]

Even smaller ones I’ve put 4-5 rounds of 5.56 in them before they actually drop

[wooden agate]

they're truly horrifying

god have mercy on anyone who encounters a boar with a vendetta against them

[rocky raptor]

on the topic of boars in the wild? gators eat them all the time, do we think they will get added to deino diet, maybe increase food value cause like thats allot of nutrients and bacon lol

[rocky raptor]

only reason i would agree (sorry been afk) is when there was an update where for example Deino spawn was reduced to one spot water access and yes the canni rate was through the roof it was ungodly, adults would just chill at water access eating everything that spawned, so glad the fixed that

[hot oak]

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Sorry didn’t know which one to @ but why was my comment about the nesting bugs and replies been removed/deleted from #general-feedback , kind of weird just wondering. Seen someone add in that beipi is also super buggy with nesting and never got to read the rest. Makes me think my input wasn’t valid I guess

[gentle lichen]

i think its because u need to do a bug report

[wintry whale]

Looking at it, I agree with the above person, use https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/783214088456896513 to report bugs you find

[hot oak]

Thank you, So if I make the bug report it’s going to be fixed? I would’ve made the bug report instead but I just wanted to give feedback to why it’s so annoying and no one nests really, which is mainly the multiple bugs that come with nesting. If you’ve nested 3 time you’re likely to bug out twice in my experience so I figure they already know about the issue and if not should be discussed instead of just reported.

[tight iron]

@chilly ermine it isn't tied to weight btw

[wintry whale]

I agree, bugs should be discussed and reported, find ways to get around it until it’s fixed because it’s been properly reported, but https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120 isn’t the place to discuss it

[chilly ermine]

What is it tied to, other than how fast one is going?

[tight iron]

to anatomy and balance i believe? not fully sure

[half forge]

its also the fact that 20+ people write the same thing in the feedback channel every day. The devs know, we need to wait till (probably) next hordetest for a fix. It's just clustering the channels at this point

[hot oak]

Sure I can make a report, but there is no other work around then log out and get stuck in queue for using game mechanic, which is why I think only reporting it won’t do much and just pile up In the spam bin. Like I said they probably already know of the bugs but I just wanted to discuss it since everytime I nest some bug happens and it’s a time waster for me and the other person plus people waiting on eggs when it bugs at 80% completed.

[wintry whale]

This is my first time hearing of it, so a report might be very useful

[hot oak]

It’s the fact people write the same thing everyday that makes it the issue people would want to nest of it wasn’t broken most of the time or will make you have to log out and get stuck in queue, its just as bad as organ glitch but at least you can just not pick up an organ or meat with the sticks it’s the only way to build the nest,

[hot oak]

No sweat I’ll make a report in a bit, yeah beipis,Petra’s,herras use sticks to nest any one of those players that nested can attest. Thanks for the feedback

[chilly ermine]

I haven't heard that before, can anyone confirm this?

[half forge]

idk what to tell you other than to read the last part of my comment again and understanding it I get being upset about it but if devs say no, answer is no even after spamming the same thing 20+ times

[hot oak]

☠️ 🤡ok dood

[half forge]

[violet vessel]

The ai is buggy, unstable, and basic. I have waited years for it to be expanded and polished on, and it's still more or less the same. When the devs fix one problem with the ai, two more take it's place. It leads me to believe that the ai is fundamentally problematic to iterate on. I want the ai to be dynamic like bokoblins from botw or lizards from rain world. What we have now is pathetic by comparison. Better to start on a new version than try and fail to un-spaghettify the current code.

[wooden agate]

it may be possible that its "pathetic" in comparison due to the bokoblins having hundreds of developers behind them along side basically unlimited funds

[limber hull]

LMAO basically summarised his entire argument in one sentence

[violet vessel]

Rain world made better ai and they are also an indie team. I just used botw as an example but there are plenty of other indie games that nail ai.

[limber hull]

How tf is rain world even remotely comparable

Single player 2D side scrolling platformer with survival elements is nothing like The Isle besides the survival element part

[boreal briar]

It's an iterative process my dude, they are bound to come up with bugs while basically testing the AI.
BOTW and Rain World are awful comparisons for this to take after though.. One's a AAA title from one of the largest names in gaming, and the other is far less complex with it's 2D world.

They don't need to tear down what they have made, they just need to keep working on it. I doubt AI has even been a big priority since they need to get more playables and finish the dinosaur lifecycle still. I know they are making updates to behaviour as well, it hasn't broken them at all recently. The only recent break I can think of was due to the Unreal Engine being updated like I'd mentioned before

[violet vessel]

They had 5 years to improve the ai and this is all they could come up with? At that rate, I will be an old man by the time the ai gets good. At the end of the day the ai sucks, and the devs haven't given me any confidence that they can actually fix what we have now.

[boreal briar]

No it'd be more of a, "OK team, time to focus on AI" and suddenly we get improvements. They're a small company man they can't do everything at once.

[tight iron]

it's been so many years man

they're absolutely bound to come up with bugs but not this level

[torn void]

Yes, no.
Its a totally different game, evrima is supposedly made than be superior to legacy which does not match the design change.
The giganotosaurus became more generic, more malnourished and much uglier, in the legacy it was robust and imposing.
Design changes VERY different from tyrannosaurs, omniraptor OR EVEN SPINOSAURS

However, this new model is not really ugly, but the legacy one is much better.

Like, it would be good as a new creature maybe

[violet vessel]

I feel like that would have happened by now if the devs had the capability to do so. Ai is a constant point of contention, people are regularly making posts in general feedback about it

[tight iron]

there's only 1 person doin ai tho

[mild isle]

Like I said before, I don’t think all devs are experienced with all areas. They have certain ones doing models, AI, balance, etc. and the devs doing models may not know where to begin with coding AI

[tight iron]

the other 3 programmers probably have literally no idea how ai code works

[boreal briar]

I'm thinking it's just your rose tinted glasses my dude. T
he legacy one looks way more generic to me, it just looks like a lame Cerato in that picture.

Who cares if it looks way different other than Legacy people?
They may even have a skin pattern that will match the legacy look.

[boreal briar]

Just because they have the feedback doesn't mean they can act on it. If AI suddenly gets priority then the other stuff would come slower.

I'm betting they'd rather get a full lifecycle before focusing on something that's already passable. (Not good but it still lets the carnivores eat while they slowly make changes)

[torn void]

The half-iguana giganotosaurus is a totally new and innovative idea, until then no giganotosaurus (like the one in Ark, JP, other dinosaur games) had a similar and magnificent model.
The new model is a skinny, armored giganotosaurus, LITERALLY THE SAME THING AS THE GIGANOTOSAURUS FROM JURASSIC WORLD
This concept of a rickety dinosaur with armor or things like that has never been so interesting for a game like The Isle, we've already had a rickety allosaurus, a giganotosaurus and even a rex

[half kindle]

the herra taking care of the troodons NA 2 thank you our parents foguth hard

[torn void]

Completing my point

In the end it's all a matter of opinion

We have those who prefer the old and those who prefer the new (from what I see people prefer the old) and there is no problem bringing the new model like carcharodontosaurs and the old one like giganotossaurus(Or the opposite) With a small change
Giganotosaurus and Carcharodontosaurus are like Oxalaia and Spinosaurus

Bringing both of them together to fill similar niches in different ways and giving them the ability to form groups with each other would be great for group diversity.

I remember when the Old Allosaurs had become available, players brought it back to the host as Sauropaghanax and allowed it to form groups with normal Allosaurs, and there was always a allo group with some sauropaghanax because they had capabilities that common allosaurs don't have.

The same happened with the acrocanthosaurus and the giganotosaurus.

[limber hull]

okay but that was back during legacy where dinosaurs literally were just different stat numbers and that's it

this is EVRIMA, where every dinosaur has a unique ability and identity, and none of them are supposed to be "this is x but slightly different"

[indigo gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/never_ending-gif-24810109

[tight iron]

it's not even that

some things are so broken it's unbelievable

for example dibble is so damn broken it's crazy that it got thru qa

it's not too far to ask for things to be cleared before they're released (like random spawns with ways for carnivores to not be miserable, new map with ai and lighting already functional, things not added 15 months before the thing that caused it to be changed is added, etcetera, and definetely not too far to ask to not be blamed for their poor decisions

for example the docks caused awful fps drops but apparently it's our fault for being too impatient and not wanting to wait for things to be polished...?

[tight iron]

another example, dibble is 3 tons for an upcoming thing

where is it in game

where is the thing that's causing dibble to be 3 tons

thats not fixing a bug and suddenly another one pops up (which ive experienced a bit too often), that's just horrendous planning and slapping things in game when they're broken then blaming others for it

i once tried to fix a bug in a game and the loading screen broke so you couldnt load in the game

[limber hull]

how lol, it's honestly one of the most functional herbivores there is

[junior nymph]

whos gonna tell everyone that ai is being worked on and were lowered due to performance (got the performance thing from poutine stream with felipe)

[desert arch]

Skip the first 20 seconds.

[tight iron]

wdym it's one of the most functional herbis there is

[desert arch]

Dibble is a Michael Jackson wannabe with that moonwalk haha

[tight iron]

im surprised i even have to explain it

[junior nymph]

he he

[desert arch]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-dancing-moonwalk-gif-12651220

[tight iron]

the hitbox is really broken (can hit you when touching its body/not even close to the head), it can knock you down with his ass by abusing sparring animations which the game cant update in time, etc

not to mention that 3 tons moment

[limber hull]

it aint a buggy mess to control with some bull that magically makes you incapable of the simplest of actions

[tight iron]

can you rephrase that for me real quick

[limber hull]

you were bringing up bugs. Your own personal balance opinion doesn't matter. It functions far better than a vast majority, if not all, of the herbivore roster

[tight iron]

depends on your definition of functions

[limber hull]

my defenition is it working

so the dictionary definition

[tight iron]

barely holding on

most buggy herbi there is

actually most buggy playable there is

[limber hull]

stego attacks in the wrong direction while using running power swing

pachy will just decide if it will or will not ram, and if the ram will go where you want it to

hypsi will just... not get its jump stam regen sometimes if it doesn't feel like it

teno has an entire 1 second attack lockout on its tail slam. why? no clue lol

dryo is honestly more mechanically sound but it's dryo and doesn't even have all its mechanics so

dibble, you play it and it does the thing its supposed to do without fighting you every step of the way

you know, functional

[tight iron]

it doesn't fight you every step of the way but instead defies all laws of logic and physics

doesnt look very functional when i can knock smth down with my ass at the same speed as running

and tbh yes youre right 3 tons moment is my own personal balance opinion but after taking a look at the current roster one does not need 7 advisors and a team of experts to know that 3 tons is just busted

[limber hull]

feels like the issue is more with the server's ability to visualise strafing than anything tbh

[desert arch]

Its still an issue nonetheless, it happens on every server Ive played on

[indigo gulch]

[desert arch]

And lets be honest it makes dibble impossible to fight

[desert arch]

Not today sorry Marj

[indigo gulch]

[torn void]

They may have different skills, different status, different appearance and still occupy similar niches.

I don't know where you got the idea that they're going to have the same abilities.

My point is LITERALLY that they will not have the same skills and therefore it will increase diversity.

[wooden agate]

adding carchara is like adding tarbo

its just so unneeded

[torn void]

My idea of adding carcha is mainly because of the hate I saw on the new giga model (there were even Reddit pages about it) carcha wouldn't be that difficult to do because we would already have a base.
And like, it would be like the legacy acro when compared to the giga
This addition is just to please both parts of the fandom.

[urban flax]

There being reddit pages against it doesn't say much

It's pretty much asking to develop an entire new playable over a visual preference

[wintry whale]

@glossy sierra Map isn’t finished yet

[glossy sierra]

Yea well just add that part back in when its done

?? its just useless atm

[wintry whale]

Seems like more effort to take away something that has nothing off and put it back, it’s so blank I imagine it’s impacts on performance are negligible

[glossy sierra]

Whats the use for it going to even be has anyone talked about it. What new things are coming to the map

[wintry whale]

My guess is another dockyard or an airstrip, but we aren’t sure

We do also know about a ton of underground infrastructure that’s planned

[glossy sierra]

Dockyard didnt we already get no?

[wintry whale]

There’s not just the one

Something for the monorail on that island would also be sick

[glossy sierra]

Hmm?

[wintry whale]

Keep in mind this is really old and likely outdated in many ways

[boreal briar]

@dawn hound you are making me want to play tug of war with a Hypsie body

[glossy sierra]

dont look like this at all lol

[wintry whale]

Yep

Monorail is still planned tho

[glossy sierra]

the hell is that

[wintry whale]

It’s basically a train, for all intents and purposes, it’s the same

[glossy sierra]

aaahaa

i c

[molten elm]

do they have any plans to add an unstuck button on evrima lol, been stuck ages and I cant rest, i have to wait until i die 😦

[icy lion]

/unstuck

[molten elm]

omg thank youuuuuu

[radiant nest]

I hope /unstuck gets a hint in the new ui

[severe idol]

#general-feedback message

I'll consider it.

[glossy marlin]

yo who cares about the discord we need the game fixed fr

[wooden agate]

general feedback is general

it's for both the game and discord

[urban flax]

@quick trout That's punishing stego for successfully defending itself and that's one of the worst ways you could nerf it

[cyan flame]

@quick trout Would it be dependent on the size of the target or anything?

[quick trout]

@cyan flame That could be possible, and there could be a few ways to implement it. The thagomizer could have a durability that chips down with each successful connected swing, and it could be dependent on target size if that durability goes down or not, and by how much. I don't think it should be breaking off on a Troodon. The small animals should still be the ones getting impaled and drug around. Some sort of visual indicator that it's about to break would be beneficial as well.

A fun bonus mechanic for something like this is when the stego hits a nice squishy place on other dinosaurs and the thagomizer does break off, it could cause massive bleed. Like what was mentioned above, it is a punishment for stego defending itself, but I do see it as a mechanic that will dissuade an steg from purposely walking into massive carnivore packs and long drawn out fights with little repercussion. I think herbivores should consider the choice of avoiding fights with packs of carnivores as it's first defense mechanism, and packing up with fellow species as it's second.

IDK if stego regrew thagomizers historically? I would say that gameplay wise, they should definitely regrow and have reduced damage that scales with the growth of the new spike. This should mean that there would be at least a few partially grown spikes on it's tail even if it looses some in a drawn out fight and it would still always have damage in it's swing.

[urban flax]

How does a stego avoid a fight with a pack of carnivores ?
If you want to implement a durability mechanic, then do it for every creature, not just stego out of nowhere

But I'm pretty sure it would just end up adding tedium and/or make fights more boring

Because instead of the outcome of fights depending on how well you can manage your stamina and use your abilities, it depends on who has the most durability

[cyan flame]

Well, if it didnt regrow in game, youd just end up defenseless so thatd be needed, realistic or not. And its interesting, the problem is what size it should start to apply to, and for how many hits. Like, it should take a full pack of 8 omnis to even stand a chance vs one stego, so itd have to not apply, or barely apply there for example. But maybe if it applied to targets above 25% or maybe 50% of the stegos weight or so, then scaled plus gave massive internal bleed if you got a thagomizer stuck through your body. No real point in it applying to things stego one shot anyway, I dont think.

[quick trout]

@cyan flame I would leave exact numbers and stats stuff like that to devs and testing outcomes, I just like the thought of more dynamic mechanics leading to different strategies and gameplay outcomes, and I wish that most my stego deaths weren't me killing myself off a cliff or purposely going to a hotspot in south to get it over with.

[dawn hound]

Yes

[glossy marlin]

ok?

[cold garden]

Heavy disagree on that concept of a stego nerf. I don't think stego needs to be nerfed, it just needed to not be added into the game in the current roster ( Kentro, being far smaller, would have been a better choice ). once we get some of the big boys in stego will be less of an untouchable god.. but nerfing it by removing its ability to attack entirely would just cause problems. it would make stego 100% defenseless against large packs, people who overpack, ect

also disagree with the patrol zone locking a species in certain parts of the map. spiro was kind of like that and as a result pachies and hypsis basically didn't exist because they were shunned from society and left only to play together at the back of the map LOL when part of the draw of a herbivore is the social aspect, even if youre not chatting, hanging out with other herbis is fun! i do dislike that all herbivores currently eat the same foods. i think migration paths should overlap, and certain foods should overlap, but not every path + every food

[faint folio]

It would work better if it had several stages, so that the player has a heads up that they might lose a thagomizer. Also, some way to repair the durability before it breaks. I don't see much fun in being suddenly surprised by missing a quarter of my damage at random

[tame jetty]

@grand remnant that could actually be really fun! If you felt like gambling your inherits too one day as a challenge xD and see what u get haha

[barren zephyr]

@glossy sierra your feedback doesn't quite make total sense. You are just telling us this are you inferring we add more to it and make it accessible to playables or completely remove it?

[severe idol]

#general-feedback message

Fine.

[spark roost]

There should be a way for server owners to customize these limits to fit their own balance and vision.

[spark roost]

my ability to use discord sucks, but anyway, snagged the above from their feedback, I believe it is the core of what they're asking

I'm assuming the limits are group limits

[latent olive]

@quaint yarrow the hallucinations are representations of the venom attacking your body, theyre attempts by your dinosaur brain to rationalise what is happening after being bitten by a dilophosaurus

also, its a game, the devs are free to do what is necessary to truly make an animal unique

[grand remnant]

That's what I'm saying haha

[merry ore]

Dinos Evrima progression system, what do you think guys?
Basically, when you reach 100% growth, you unlock (Characters) the second, third and fourth phase of the character.

This would create a natural “Ages” system in the game, where one era will be dominated by small animals and another Era by large animals, this system would also prevent the complete obstruction of some animals in the future, the more playable ones are released. , the more forgotten some dinosaurs become, imagine at the beginning of the server you come across a bunch of 30 Dryos fighting a bunch of 15 troodons.

clarifications: When you play on one server and unlock multiple characters, you will not lose your progression, but if you play on another server where you haven't played before, you will start unlocking them again.

This system would be mandatory on official servers, but on unofficial servers it would be optional.

I'm thinking about suggesting this suggestion, but maybe I should make changes, I could, for example, modify the requirement to play new games like:

When the server reaches its first hour of life, is the next class of dinos released.

[north quiver]

It’d be great for unofficials to have the option to pick it and customize it to their liking, but it shouldn’t be on officials

progression won’t be needed as long as the larger playables aren’t sustainable with an unbalanced ecosystem and also as long as the smaller playables are actually fun and not miserable or boring to play as

finally getting more player slots on officials without that shattering server ping would also be a huge help lol

[woeful latch]

@long edge

this is so sad

im pretty sure its just another shadow nerf how they did with troodon canceling tenos attacks

[north quiver]

poor teno can’t catch a break lol

[woeful latch]

the amount of times they unreasonably nerfed it is insane

[cyan flame]

Doesnt pounce, troodon or omni, cancel any normal attack, no matter the target?

[merry ore]

there will be a massive pack of 20 Dryos being hunted by Pteranodons, Troodons, 10 Penguins in a lake and reproduction rates never seen before, how could that not be fun?

Furthermore, following my progression proposal, large animals would have an initial advantage against the previous ecosystem.

[north quiver]

is its tail slam still roughly 100? it was dropped from 150 and did horrible damage

I’d play more teno but I haven’t been able to bring myself to play it because the herbi food values suck and the food glitching also sucks

[long edge]

Teno was honestly always fine. The spam kick from before attacks had cooldowns im fine with them changing(i still didn't think they were "op"), but all the damage nerfs and the entire 1.5 second cooldown after slam was where i thought they were kinda getting to "we just dont like teno" territory.

[north quiver]

that’s a temporary solution. the best thing to do is to make the playables fun so more people play them so you get more things like that that naturally happen rather than force it

[woeful latch]

i’m not sure, i play as a teno mostly and troodons cancel my attacks all the time, also pouncing the head and teleporting to the side or even back.

[woeful latch]

the only problem with teno is finding lines, dots and s are all around the map

[north quiver]

lines diet is basically nonexistent if you have two or more people lol

[woeful latch]

yeah, tail slam is pretty useless, even if you stun someone there’s a huge chance they will recover before you can kick them to do more damage

[merry ore]

One day we will have 30 playables on The Isle and of these 30 playables, 10 will be obsolete on a map with a limit of 100 players, in this case EXTINCT, making the gameplay fun for a small playable hardly increases its population, it must be extremely OP to be played en masse, like Herrera, which are the most common smallest animals in the game.

My proposal includes that progress will be reset monthly, making the progression cycle repeat itself again

[woeful latch]

btw omni bit me where i was never even standing, so its definitely not a lag, its awful hitbox

[long edge]

Like, almost every other herbi right now aside from poor pachy can do less and just have much more value lol. I rarely see tenos unless they're nested in, all dibbles and stegos. Teno just requires too much character specific knowledge to thrive compared to dibble who can just left click, and stego who can dish out a thousand damage per hit with no stamina.

[limber hull]

some of these make no sense.

why would allo go to alberto, despite alberto being basically the same size as allo

why would you have the choice between galli, pachy and camara when camara is larger than literal apexes

why does carnotaurus lead into bary despite the two having effectively nothing in common

also why is edmonto on the list despite not even being on the roster

[woeful latch]

that’s so true, i see dryos or hypsis more often than tenos😭

[long edge]

And the skill requirement is great btw, not a bad thing at all, but capping a skill ceiling of a playable because of less experienced players dying to it kind of sours the fun for me. nobody ever complained about it unless they ran in, screwed up and did that multiple times until they died. i say that as both a teno main and someone who loves to hunt teno.

[limber hull]

i've had people very recently tell me teno is OP and I was an idiot for wanting its jank like the 1 second attack lockout after tailslam removed

[merry ore]

I can still modify the progression, Camara will be a very risky animal because although he is big, he is not that immense and will be vulnerable to groups of Omnis and possibly Dilos due to the reward for his death, Alberto is much bigger than Alo and much stronger, you see this in legacy, Allosaurus is an Omni Vs Dilo

[limber hull]

camara is bigger than rex lol

it is very much "that immense"

[merry ore]

and his bleeding will be horrible lmao, he will be an animal with a long growth life, so it will take a long time for him to grow and a large part of his life will be risky due to hunting, reducing his life expectancy.

[limber hull]

based on literally what facts do you say its bleeding will suck

if anything, its tough looking skin implies bleed resist

given it'll primarily be designed to be fighting predators like gigas

[merry ore]

In the conceptual arts, it is very clear that he will be vulnerable to a group of animals.

[limber hull]

where is that displayed at all

[woeful latch]

yeah like if you died to teno it’s on you.

[merry ore]

Some concept art where he was attacked

[limber hull]

i'd like any source for this because as far as i'm concerned you're just making stuff up. Camara is beyond apex, it is not an equivalent to pachy

[woeful latch]

it’s slightly bigger than a pachy

👀

[long edge]

Teno has never been "OP", it scales with player skill on each side respectively and that is how it should be. A bad teno is about as scary as a kitten wearing boxing gloves and a good teno still goes down easily with a couple of ceratos. Hell, a teno and cerato of the same skill level can have the fight go either way and thats great.

The tail slam cooldown being so ridiculously long is strange to me? It wouldn't really change the playstyle of most good teno mains since the move is so hard to use anyhow. Easy to bait, and easy to counter attack a tail slamming teno. It just punishes a move that is already very punishing.

For an outlandishly long amount of time as well, after already being locked in place during the animation.

[limber hull]

If by slightly you mean over 30x larger, then yes

[woeful latch]

XDD

@long edge could you please put this #general-feedback message in evrima bug reports? i’m gonna do the same with my clip

[limber hull]

Teno is genuinely the best and most balanced animal consistently through all updates because its kit always has enough versatility to withstand hard nerfs that otherwise would kill any other animal's playability

But stuff like tailslam being nearly the worst attack in the game is genuinely tragic

[long edge]

If i was more eloquently worded in video game functionality i would be all over it, but unfortunately i'd have no real idea what i would describe about it with it still being helpful. You can use my clip if you'd like to, i'm happy to help, but technical understanding is not my strongsuit 😭

[limber hull]

Poor damage, insane punishability, the afformentioned lockout, highest stam cost of any of teno's attacks.

Sure, it has poking potential, but a good poke tool doesn't leave the target wide open for a counterattack after using it

[woeful latch]

ok ok ty😭

[long edge]

Genuinely find no other reason to use it unless you want to parry a carno ram(...honestly still more worth kicking nowadays, the damage on ram is so small its not a bother to tank it on the butt) or to poke people from a rock. in active combat it really doesnt help unless people run in a predictable arc

and even then kick just... is still better?

[limber hull]

Exactly

It's SUPPOSED to be a combo opener, but it isn't because it literally STOPS YOU FROM COMBOING WITH IT

I can't think of an attack that's worse, besides MAYBE pachy ram (which is even more sad but a different story)

It's a shame too, because tailslam is by far teno's most iconic move, given, y'know, the bigass tail

[long edge]

It really is a sick attack, when i first started playing in early spiro it had that heavy feel to it and it was great. when they nerfed the damage, it was still fine because it was still useful for setting up combos.

Now they just get up and sprint off with a little bruise on their bum because you have to play redlight greenlight and they just run off before you can hit them

I will always think the isle's teno is one of the best dinosaur designs we have right now across all of the games, but it's just getting lost in the background while the bigger, more popular dinosaurs come forth. :P

[limber hull]

true. teno is getting outshone hard, and maia might represent the end if something isn't done soon

[long edge]

it's already basically happened with dibble-- even i found myself playing more dibble than teno, and i have over a thousand hours of teno alone. only reason i swap is because i want fights to actually be challenging

and oh boy, it's challenging... but not in the engaging fun way, more so in the "oh, a cerato- oh, two... three ceratos!" menu screen type of way

[north quiver]

honestly the camera lock for dibble’s spar that was added from the most recent hordetest was tragic. going into spar mode literally puts you at a huge disadvantage now in fights

[long edge]

You're so right. Dibble isn't even fun to fight with right now, yet it's still crazy broken to fight against? Like, it's not fun to play OR play against.

It's so clunky.

[north quiver]

clunky to fight, clunky to play

overall unfun lol

[long edge]

The alt attack SUCKS, the drift got nerfed(would be fine if spar had better turning), spar attack just doesn't work after knocking someone over, you get stuck like 1/2 times a dibble locks with you and there's like nothing you can do if someone just gets on your booty

[north quiver]

there were better ways to tune the playable but adding unnatural camera locks was not one of them

fixing the hitboxes would’ve been a great start

[north quiver]

100%

[long edge]

the only nerf dibble really needed was something to just prevent them from spamming left click to try and knock you over without even a little penalty.

[north quiver]

out of all of my time playing dibble before the hordetest, I don’t think there was a single time I actually tried to use the alt attack because it just sucks so much lol

why alt when you can simply turn while running and that be far more responsive and immediate

[long edge]

mhm. even if someone gets behind you and sits on your butt, they can literally see you start up the animation and run away. the only way to salvage the interaction is to run forward and make a sad attempt to drift

[limber hull]

i feel that the dibble alt-bite should knock down, but then i feel most of dibble's attacks should, and never understood why some can't

[north quiver]

my biggest punishment to dibbles in fights with them was when they dared to either alt attack or dared to enter spar mode

[long edge]

the nerfs didnt even make it less frustrating to fight against because the weird extended hitbox and the stunlock is just ... boring, and they have like 20 mistakes they need to make before they have to worry and you only have like 3 before you gotta run off

its just so strong yet so boring and frustrating

Why play teno and have to sweat when i can play dibble and have one braincell bouncing around on dvr loool

[north quiver]

• fix the hitboxes
• adjust knockdowns so they can’t be back-to-back creating an endless stunlock
• have the knockdowns actually fit the animation so you can run the very nanosecond you stand up rather than just stand there for a few seconds longer
• improve the alt attack
• remove the boring spar lock

[woeful latch]

hopefully they’re gonna buff teno when maia comes out, coz maia is literally gonna be faster will have more hp, damage and stuff. like why would i ever play a teno😭

[limber hull]

i mean, i assume teno might be a better brawler but like

[north quiver]

I’d love to play maia but I genuinely don’t think I’ll touch herbivore soon until the food values change and the glitched food is fixed lol

[long edge]

Lowkey i liked the smaller but more threatening dibble with the more damage. it was so much more interesting to me than how artificial it feels at 3tons

[limber hull]

1.5 ton dibble was also kinda ass tho

[woeful latch]

ehh maybe teno is gonna be more agile.. but idk it that will help it

[woeful latch]

what about 2t dibble with agility it had when it was just released?

[limber hull]

it'll likely have better bleed, agility and damage for its size

[long edge]

It was a bit too small at 1.5, but 2 tons was so nice. it couldnt just bully everything around it with its bulk, but it had a huge skill ceiling to work with

im still hoping maia won't just be able to run down a teno if it so pleases

[limber hull]

idk, i reckon it might, but its bipedal agility looks horrible so

outturn and outswim

and probs outstam

[long edge]

the problem tho is teno has a very long tail. even when dodging... it's unlikely you won't be hit, since the tail lingers in location before bending to the direction you're turning in

so you're gonna take a lot of hits regardless

[woeful latch]

that sucks so much

imo whole tail should have huge damage resistance, teno is like 50% a tail

[long edge]

i mean maybe it wont kill ya but you'll basically be bullied on sight every time you enter an area until you lose them in a forest. for slow things? whatever. but being ran down by a tanky bully and relying on them being blind... thats tough

it's like tenos with ceras but... tankier and faster

[woeful latch]

pretty much yeah

let’s wait for its release i guess

[glossy sierra]

How did u misunderstand so bad

[glossy sierra]

Yes correct!

[glossy sierra]

Just play on an unofficial server if the map seems empty with 100?

[barren zephyr]

I am referring to your comment on the island not being used, not your group feedback

[woeful zealot]

Not the numbers of players is an issue. It is the map. Way to big with nonsens regions, which are not used by players or just to move trought to a hotspot. I'm running for minutes, just to reach a possible hotspot. Running should be rare movement in a simulation, but how long will you just go to next region?

[barren zephyr]

The map was released too early. It is intended for larger playabels and more variety and possibly higher player counts.

[glossy sierra]

Oh mb then we'll yes that's what I mean why have something in the game that's still not done just worsening performance probably

[barren zephyr]

Would've made more sense for them to change up Spiro with some more interesting changes rather than the whole new map

Gateway should've waited for more playables

[glossy sierra]

this is why I don't play official, 100 player cap, no admins, no rules? What's the point when unofficial are better 😙

[barren zephyr]

Yeah like I mentioned I'm sure it'll have something to do with future playables or maybe a safe spot for humans

[glossy sierra]

^

[barren zephyr]

For now yeah very useless

[woeful zealot]

More players would be great too, but more players don't make the map better, just the hotspots will be overrun. At 200 players map, it will not happened, that 100 will sit in deepest jungle without see anything to fill the map. So back again to the map issue.

[barren zephyr]

Hotspots are the issues. There should be no "hotspots". Migrations make sense but shouldn't have more than a few species atleast under ten. The current map helps spread out players but at the moment it's not working positively. With a smaller map and larger playables it would complicate things. Gateway is a good map and is needed but not right now.

More playables will encourage movement throughout the island and hopefully resolve the issue of hotspots.

There should be player interaction but not in the form of a bloody mess that is hotspots like south plains is/was. With the random spawns it's helped a bit.

Herbivores should interact regularly and share environments with few carnivores spread out between the various herbivore groups

[woeful zealot]

Sounds good in theory. Some other games have hotspots since years and can't do anything against. Let's see if the Island team do better, then the big players.

[thorny cipher]

BALLECE THE FING DILO YOU TRASH PANDAS

1 dilo kills 2 cera with ease this game is a joke

THEY JUST KILL ALL THE AI AND CAN KILL EVERYTHING

THIS IS DUMB

[gentle flint]

[thorny cipher]

stupid

[limber hull]

how did 2 ceras die "with ease" to 1 dilo what

how do you end up in a situation where that happens

at that point you gotta admit some fault on your end lol

1-2 bites cause dilo to puke, in which case you can basically just kill it due to how horrible its vomit anim is

[thorny cipher]

blocked

your mental

[limber hull]

that was quick

another to my list

https://tenor.com/view/gloop-gif-25555044

soon the entire server will have me blocked

[frank tapir]

I wouldn't block you, I agree with most of the things you say

[north quiver]

I mean I have came across some bad ceras that kept somehow missing all or most of their bites after getting my dilo into the puking animation lol..

I couldn’t even run I have zero clue how they kept missing

[uncut zephyr]

Blocked because your ego needs to be fed

Not big enough yet

[woeful latch]

such a skill issue

even tho i agree that dilo is busted right now

but 2 ceras xD thats on you

[limber hull]

you present a formidable challenge to my goals

[woeful latch]

cera players when they forced to think and not just w+m1

[limber hull]

Thanks! 👍

[junior nymph]

@limber hull I swear people having issues with dilo have the skill issue I can agree with you especially cera players

[limber hull]

dilo is overtuned but if you're losing two ceratos to one dilo

lol

[junior nymph]

Fr

[junior nymph]

@tawdry oyster thats south plains and thats always been saltwater aka the lake its not a bug

[tawdry oyster]

I’m not complaining about the lake, I was just trying to specify the area

[junior nymph]

lol alg

ah yeah I see now I agree on that fully

[unkempt siren]

@tawdry oyster it isnt really a player made hot spot there are quite a few uses for that spot

1. every dino except carno, galli, dilo and pachy are spawning there 70% of the time. its the most likely spawn point for all the other dinos
2. even with the bottom lake being not drinkable the river still is
3. there are sancs
4. there is food for every herbivore which spawns there
5. the sancs there are so bad made that its even a hot spot for herras cause they can chill there and can jump all the babys inside of the sanc without getting dmg
6. its a open field which makes carnos and gallis go crazy
7. the river is a great spot for deinos
   in other words every dino except dilos and pachys have a good reason to be there

[tawdry oyster]

1. I’m not complaining about the lake dude, and yeah there may be sanctuaries, but nobody hangs around at sanctuaries.
2. Nobody plays Gallis
3. Played as a Dibble earlier this week and it was NOT a good spot
4. Still doesn’t deny the fact that people go there solely for the purpose of KOS.
5. Still tons of dead bodies

And 6. Just because it’s a “good spot” doesn’t mean it should be the ONLY spot on the map where people go

[unkempt siren]

1. everyone hangs around sanc
2. there are many galli players
3. it is if u are solo u obviously get killed
4. whats wrong with that?
5. yes and thats a reason why many ppl go there (for food)
6. it is, why should u go to a other spot if u know at this spot is to 100% action

[tawdry oyster]

I think you totally misunderstood the point of my feedback

[unkempt siren]

u should more likely request a corpse wipe like petit is doing it instead of complaining about the spot

[tawdry oyster]

And I have never seen a single person hang around sanctuaries in my entire playthrough of the isle

[tawdry oyster]

The point of the feedback is that

1. this spot is just performance killing
2. the rest of the map is dead if there is a single hotspot where people want to go to

And I also want to point out that this game is a survival game, so yeah I have a little problem with KOS

I would be fine with it if people didnt hang around 1 spot to do KOS, because then there wouldn’t be so many bodies stacked up in one area

[unkempt siren]

that it is performance killing isnt a problem of the spot its the problem of the terrible optimization of the game
and the rest of the map isnt dead there are several hot spots like that most likely near water or on open fields there is no reason to stay at a spot where u cant see anything

[tawdry oyster]

That’s simply not true dude, yeah there may be hotspots in other areas of the map, but the issue is that nobody GOES to those areas

And yeah the game may have terrible optimization, but ever since I got a new RAM I didn’t really have any issues until I run into an area with like 50 bodies lying around

[unkempt siren]

and cause the bodies are destroying ur game u want to change the spot? lmao

[tawdry oyster]

No

It’s because the bodies are destroying the game of other people too

You’re legit contradicting yourself

You say that it’s only me with bad performance when you just said that this game has bad optimization

Maybe think before you say something

[unkempt siren]

never said that i dont get bad performance lmao

[tawdry oyster]

No but you just pointed out “That because I have issues why should the spot be changed? Lmao”

And I’m not saying the spot should be changed

Im saying there should be multiple spots where people go to

not a single spot

[unkempt siren]

and ive said there are

[tawdry oyster]

more spots=more diverse gameplay

[tawdry oyster]

And I’ve said people dont go to those spots

Do you even read what I say?

[tawdry oyster]

Because from what I’ve read it seems like you didn’t even read what I said in my feedback

[unkempt siren]

this is the spot u are complaing about btw

[tawdry oyster]

Yeah great

So now its a different spot

Where people are hanging out in

Doesn’t change the situation

[terse river]

How can you say that the spot is not good for dibbles? You have every diet and water…

[tawdry oyster]

I didn’t really have luck finding food there, but might be just a bad time to be there

[unkempt siren]

brother u dont make any sense hope u know that

[terse river]

You don’t need luck, you need to press Q and see 50 million markers pop up. Especially south of the saltwater lake…

[tawdry oyster]

Yeah well Im telling you I didn’t have luck finding food there

I know how to play the game

[unkempt siren]

💀

[terse river]

You don’t need luck tho… Dw you know how to play. :>

[alpine notch]

💀

[terse river]

[tawdry oyster]

Yeah I don’t, still doesn’t change the fact there was not any food there for me

[terse river]

Maybe you should reread your messages. 🙂

[tawdry oyster]

It’s a figure of speech, but ok

But that’s besides my point, because I still think spots for people to just run around to KOS shouldn’t be a thing,

[terse river]

Reflect your arguments and rethink your opinion. After that you would be in a better spot to continue arguing if need be.

[tawdry oyster]

Depends on which argument you’re talking about. Cause mf’s think I’m complaining about a saltwater lake

[terse river]

So now you don’t want hotspots anymore?

[terse river]

No he didn’t really?

[tawdry oyster]

read my feedback in #general-feedback and then discuss it with me

[unkempt siren]

nobody except for the first person thought that u are talking about the saltwater lake

i just gave u reasons why the spot is usefull

[tawdry oyster]

“Even with the lake not being drinkable, the river still is”

[terse river]

Im not sure if he is able/ wants to acknowledge arguments .

[unkempt siren]

yeah and thats a reason why the spot is good 5head

[tawdry oyster]

Water being there doesn’t make it a special spot

[woeful latch]

@tawdry oyster how do you want the devs to prevent the hotspots?

[unkempt siren]

i literally gave u a list...

[tawdry oyster]

That’s the tricky part, but maybe like faster body decomposition, or water drought

[woeful latch]

why lol, its the worst suggestion

[tawdry oyster]

Or maybe lesser ai spawn in that area

[terse river]

1 ofc it does.
2. Do you want more spots (because there are) or do you want to rather want no point where people go? I don’t really see what you want through your 100 messages changing it all the time…

[woeful latch]

hotspots should exist, thats why we have migrations, if you dont like the hotspots just avoid them

[terse river]

Because the fact that a place offers food and water in huge quantities makes it a hotspot where players are obviously going to fight and kill

[woeful latch]

highlands are giant part of the map, whole place is a hotspot, go there if you want ot find other players

[terse river]

Lots of resources = many players
Many players = fights
fights= dead body’s

[woeful latch]

basically his point is that devs should force players to go places instead of players going where they want

[terse river]

His main point was: „My issue with this is that people go there solely for the purpose of Killing On Sight. In my opinion spots like these should not be a thing mainly because of the amount of dead bodies it adds up and just ruins the gameplay performance wise“

So he doesn’t want hotspots anymore

The only solution for that would be distributing the resources equally on the map

and that would make gameplay really boring because finding players is getting harder + there are no areas where you can get some space and time to grow

[tawdry oyster]

I was just trying to suggest maybe like having more hotspots instead of having a singular one because the rest of the map just feels dead

[unkempt siren]

there are several hot spots

[tawdry oyster]

Yes I know that

[terse river]

But then other people brought up the existence of different points which makes everything you yap about pointless low-key

[tawdry oyster]

But for example I have not seen many people near that big river in the center of the map

[woeful latch]

jungle sector?

[tawdry oyster]

Yes I think thats what its called @woeful latch

[unkempt siren]

nvm

i know what u mean

[woeful latch]

its a river, so i guess its jungle sector

[unkempt siren]

but there are many deinos and tenos

[woeful latch]

mainly deinos yeah

nobody goes there cuz nobody wants to get killed by a croc

[tawdry oyster]

Well yeah, but I have seen tenos around that are like once

Same with Deinos

But could be just me idk

[unkempt siren]

if u see the deino the deino makes smth wrong

[woeful latch]

lol

[tawdry oyster]

No you’re wrong on that one

Cause I’ve seen the deino

As he was drowning me lmao

[unkempt siren]

bruh

[terse river]

If you say that it’s not wrong for Deinos to be there you basically say it’s a hotspot where they find food which makes your argument pointless…

[tawdry oyster]

That’s not what I was pointing out though

My issue with it is that’s not really a used area, even though it’s pretty good

Or swamps for example

Never seen a Deino there once

[terse river]

But you just said that it was used huh

Jungle sector

[tawdry oyster]

SHOULD be used

Me seeing there a Deino one time doesn’t mean its a frequent spot

But idk might be just me

[woeful latch]

some spots are just more popular for obvious reasons, if you want everything to be equal you need to make all the spots on the map identical

[tawdry oyster]

Idk if other people have encountered othe dinos in that area

[tawdry oyster]

Well and that’s what I was trying to point out. But, if others think thats a bad suggestion/feedback, then idk but I think a lot of parts of the map would be underused sadly.

[unkempt siren]

the map is used pretty good imo the only parts of the map which are pretty underused cause they are bad is north lake and the bottom part of the map as u see in the screen

but instead of nerfing other spots they should buff the bad ones

[tawdry oyster]

I agree on that

[tawdry oyster]

I kinda just didn’t explain it very well in the feedback so I tried to fix it to make it more understandable.

[gleaming carbon]

@quaint yarrow #general-feedback it is not a "magical power", it is a visual representation of a DOT. Dilo's venom applies a DOT on you, only instead of it just passively ticking away every few seconds, they made it one that the dilo has to actively interact with in order to get it to tick, and the victim can (in theory) fight against but evading/killing before they hit, giving the victim the chance to fight off to venom. It isn't magic, they came up with a way to make DOTs more interactive. If you don't like it and would prefer a traditional DOT where once it is on the only thing to do is wait for it to time out and hope you have the health to take it, that's fine, but it isn't like the dilo is over here shooting lightning blast and fireballs out its cloaca.

[rare patio]

The hallucinations are a little magical right now, as you can hit them and they somehow still bite you 🙄🙄😂😂 but I agree with everything you've said.

[woeful latch]

@tame wing #general-feedback message im pretty sure it only happens when server is down or right after the restart

at least for me

so just wait like 5 minutes and should be okay to join back

[urban flax]

I mean
They're hallucinations provoked by poison in your bloodstream, what would you expect to happen when biting them ?
While yes, they should disappear when bit from a balance standpoint, this doesn't make them any more magical

[rare patio]

Oh no, I meant like if you kick/tail/claw/dibble face attack, the hallucinations still bite you. They're supposed to disappear after you hit them

[urban flax]

Yes, I understood that

[wooden agate]

@quaint yarrow dilo does not have 'magical powers'

as volarus explained above, it is a visual representation of the venom itself doing damage

its not actually the clones being magical and biting you to cause damage

[floral canopy]

Why are people saying @thorny blade fart suggestion is bad?

[urban flax]

Take a guess

[floral canopy]

because people think farts are innapropriate. But it shouldn't stop REALISM

[urban flax]

You ever seen a reptile fart ?

[floral canopy]

they do fart

i googled it

just because you havent seen it doesnt mean it is not true. you have never seen a dinosaur, yet you accept they were once real. Curious!

[urban flax]

Okay
It's not like it matters much anyway

[floral canopy]

it matters very much

to me

[urban flax]

That's a bit sad to hear but okay

[floral canopy]

do you deny farts are funny?

[urban flax]

Yes

[floral canopy]

now THAT is sad to hear. I feel sorry for you that you cant even enjoy the humour of a simple fart. what has this cruel world become

[urban flax]

Even if I did, this is The Isle, not Fortnite

[floral canopy]

your point being?

[urban flax]

Why add an element just for making kids laugh in a survival-horror game

[floral canopy]

maybe because it is realistic and would have happened irl and if it happens to be a bit funny then thats a bonus. you don't find farts funny anyway so why would that be a problem for you?

[urban flax]

Because that's annoying, especially when you're trying to be quiet
Having hair and nail growth and needing to trim them is realistic too, but games don't do that because that's unneeded tedium
Adding something "because it's realistic" isn't a good argument if it doesn't add anything to gameplay in a way or another

[floral canopy]

they can add a fart setting that you can turn off if you dont like it. It woud add to the gameplay because players will feel really emersed and that they are playing a living, breathing, farting dinosaur

[urban flax]

I know you're trolling, but do you have any actual argument besides the classic "just let developers waste time doing that and allow players to disable it" ?

[floral canopy]

yes, many

[urban flax]

Then I want to hear them

[floral canopy]

which one of them?

[urban flax]

The best one

[floral canopy]

A powerful fart could incapacitate nearby enemies for a short time

[urban flax]

I said the best one

[floral canopy]

A fart could give the dinosaur a temporary speed boost or launch it over obstacles

[urban flax]

What else ?

[floral canopy]

the fart could serve as a way to mark territory or lure prey into a trap

[urban flax]

This is starting to become interesting

[floral canopy]

you could also use a fart to activate certain switches, blow lightweight objects, or clear a path by moving debris

[glossy marlin]

Blimpus stands for these farts lmao

[hollow dome]

hey my game is doing a horrible flashing. it shows the screen briefly in a different position at the same time as the main gameplay.

[icy lion]

Disable DLSS

[hollow dome]

i restarted my game and now it's fine, but if it happens again i'll try that. thank you

[elder fog]

genuine question, is a small group of stegos (1-3 adults) being super agro andd going after carni nests meant to be intended behavior? Like, was this an intended playstyle or just a biproduct of toxic behavior? This isnt a thinly veiled dig or anything, i genuinely want to understand

[thorny blade]

My idea with the farting was actually a gameplay feature. If you fart ur tracks will last longer or it gives a visual cloud at farting location. Also the audio cue would be interesting as hunter and being hunted. Imagine u try to hide and then u fart. Scary. Or u fart while sneaking up to someone. Hunt gone. The farting gets worse the worse ur diet is. So both hunter and hunted want a better diet. I just think it would have been a funny lil feature @floral canopy @urban flax

[elder fog]

like, I feel like once there's a group of adult stegos, they can basically do whatever they want once their pack size gets just so large?

(also should this question be going in a ddifferent channel?)

[urban flax]

Imagine getting your entire gameplay ruined because your dino has random flatulency
Peak gameplay

[glossy marlin]

@gentle lichen where are you looking for fish?

[gentle lichen]

in southpond, yesterday there were a lot but idk why there were a lot

like what is triggering them. we are 3 people and there is nothing

[faint folio]

I don't think it's either. It's a biproduct of having no carnivores large enough to effectively hunt stego adults except for deino (which is water-locked). Therefore they have zero fear of death or threats, and so they get bored and start trolling others

[torn void]

#general-feedback message
So, why not? Lol

[elder fog]

that makes sense. hopefully rex gets added soon enough but then we're also gonna have Trikes that will be in the same kin of position as the stego (except at least then we might have a rex)

[glossy marlin]

@obsidian jetty supports cheaters get em outta here

[obsidian jetty]

?

who...are you?

[glossy marlin]

reacts to my suggestion...."WhO aRe YoU"

[obsidian jetty]

I read suggestions, not names

[faint folio]

Honestly if herbivore food and diets remain as is, I could see fighting between Stego and trikes over limited food/territory. I hope that happens, at least

[obsidian jetty]

also...I don't support cheaters, I just don't like public shaming

[glossy marlin]

if you cheat in this game you deserve it

[obsidian jetty]

errr...no

[faint folio]

If you cheat in this game, you should be banned. Not publicly shamed

[obsidian jetty]

^ this

[glossy marlin]

nah i wouldnt trust these 2 ^

[obsidian jetty]

who said you needed to trust us?

[tight iron]

brother just cause he oesnt like shaming it doenst need hes a cheater use your brain

[obsidian jetty]

btw, I don't trust people who ping me and try to frame me for no reason either, so...we're even ^^

[faint folio]

Honestly, releasing a public list of cheaters would be pointless when you could just ban them (and/or sue them because they broke EULA), and it could and probably would start drama and/or witch-hunts

[glossy marlin]

lmao idc what you got to say if you think cheaters shouldnt be exposed

[elder fog]

i do hope they find a way to make being an herbi more territorial than jsut food

maybe like a buff or something if you establish a territory

[faint folio]

And yet... You care enough to respond. And to try to publicly shame Ellydan for disagreeing with your suggestion

[steep swallow]

They’re cheating on a game not breaking the law lmao, being banned for cheating is a perfectly fine punishment.

[obsidian jetty]

like you just "exposed" me? Without any proof, demanding to get me out of this discord based on a negative reaction to your suggestion?

[faint folio]

Yeah, more mechanics for herbivores would be cool! 😎

[steep swallow]

@thorny blade lmao imagine trying to hide in a bush from something and you just rip ass and he finds you 🤣

[glossy marlin]

why are you so pressed lmao

[elder fog]

honestly, i think the most robust herbi mechanic so far has been the sparring, so more like that that isnt necessarily just combat/survival based would be welcome

[glossy marlin]

and its discord bud relax

[tight iron]

surely being told that you support cheaters with a bs allegation and absolutely no logical reasoning wont press you

[glossy marlin]

yea if its not true then who cares....

[tight iron]

you expect too much from ppl

[steep swallow]

The thing is people make mistakes, if someone is banned by mistake and they are “shamed” on discord then it turns out they didn’t cheat then what?

[tight iron]

yeah it's nonsense to publicly shame them just ban them

[obsidian jetty]

I am not pressed, I just don't understand wtf that was good for. Like...what were you trying to achieve here?

[glossy marlin]

then thats on the admins, not me lmao

[elder fog]

imagine my surprise when the rando who thinks actions dont have consequences is using an ugly AI avatar

[glossy marlin]

bro what

[glossy marlin]

imagine getting offended by anything someone says about you online...

[faint folio]

Absolutely! And it's a shame that sparring is limited to specific playables... Hoping there's other in depth mechanics to make herbi more interesting

[elder fog]

you literally just spent a grand total of almost 20 minutes trying to defend publicly shaming alleged cheaters on a discord server. no one cares what you have to say and i'm glad you wasted your time here

[glossy marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/chewing-kangaroo-gif-15179152505373959871

[faint folio]

Honestly this whole interaction made me care enough to dig through the suggestions, find the one about publically shaming cheaters, and down vote it. I won't support witch hunts

[floral canopy]

@faint folio you are clearly the virtuous one in that frosty interchange. very wise

[glossy marlin]

😂

im glad at least 20 people can use their brain

[boreal briar]

@pseudo dagger are you trying to make a bug report? Or do you think they shouldn't smell while in mud/water

[pseudo dagger]

Not a bug report, i just think it would be cool

[lilac bolt]

@next jewel turn off dlss in the settings should fix it

[next jewel]

Ik, but it's weird that it's still an issue. Especially for how intrusive it is

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

i did the math and lmao stego CAN actually kill a full health adult carno with a hit to the tail, but it requires to be hit at the base of the tail, not the tip, AND needs to be a running powerswing

[lilac bolt]

iirc from the devs understanding its an issue with dlss and isn't an actual game issue

[wooden agate]

@pine leaf #general-feedback message monkey? dude i saw your body, you were like 600kg MAX

[pine leaf]

I’m aware

[wooden agate]

then...,,,.. you werent 100%.,.,..

https://tenor.com/view/cat-underwater-gif-922906369727670801

[pine leaf]

All I’m saying is that a tail swipe should not one shot me and it didn’t even hit me

[next jewel]

Oh I see, weird. My apologies then

[pine leaf]

I was

[limber hull]

wh

[pine leaf]

I have a video

[wooden agate]

please show

[limber hull]

the confusion surmounts

[wooden agate]

cause i saw that body and it was tiny compared to my galli

[next jewel]

How is a fg carno 600kg

[pine leaf]

One moment I need to find a place to lay down safely

[wooden agate]

its not

[lilac bolt]

its not thats the confusing bit

[next jewel]

The small game hunter isnt small game itself

[next jewel]

Ik lol

[pine leaf]

I need to edit the video it’s to long

@wooden agate this my carno

[limber hull]

okay so that is 100%

[pine leaf]

YES

[wooden agate]

this is not the carno i saw

[pine leaf]

I will post the video of me dying if you want

[wooden agate]

i feel crazy now

[pine leaf]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

no way I shoulda been one shotted

[wooden agate]

oh no i still agree that carno should be 1 shot by stego

[pine leaf]

aint no way

[limber hull]

it absolutely should

[pine leaf]

maybe body or head

but tail and the fact it missed me as well

[limber hull]

if you got a running powerswing to the base of the tail, that's the only way you could've died on a tail hit, in which case, that attack was EXTREMELY choreographed

if it were tip, you'd be alive

if it weren't a running powerswing, you'd be alive

[pine leaf]

I will post it and show yall

I encourage you if you cant go .25 speed go frame by frame like I did

[limber hull]

yup. running power swing to the base of the tail

that'll kill ya

[pine leaf]

DOG IT DIDNT TOUCH ME

go frame by frame and show me where it touched me

[limber hull]

you do have a latency of 77

[pine leaf]

That ain’t even horrible tho

[limber hull]

given your speed and how close you are, it matters

[pine leaf]

I haven’t seen a noticeable difference with less I’ve done this move before on the older ermiva map and a bit more room between me and the stego on this map

[merry ore]

This is a very low ping, this is not the reason for Carno's death

[wooden agate]

it does look like it slightly clips him

[limber hull]

i wouldn't call that very low

also the angle is wildly deceptive

even if it didn't hit him perfectly, game hitboxes be like that

[merry ore]

I played on an admin server and used some dinos against Stego, Stego has a slightly larger hitbox area than it should be, it is possible to die to a Stego even if you are grabbing his body with pounce as Omni.

[pine leaf]

I send by frame by frame it doesn’t touch me you would still be able to see it

Went*

[pine leaf]

ahhh yes it really hit me

[pseudo dagger]

kinda want a new map honestly

[limber hull]

why

[pseudo dagger]

way to many trees lol

[limber hull]

i dont think a new map would fix that

[pine leaf]

I miss the old map tbh this ones a bit to big

[pseudo dagger]

yea i want spiro back

[limber hull]

ew

worst map the game has ever seen

spiro is dead for a reason lmao

[pseudo dagger]

imagine an updated V3 or Thenyaw so that deinos would work

that would actually be fun

[limber hull]

V3 is also ass

thenyaw is alright

[pseudo dagger]

i can agree but they would re-do them

[glossy marlin]

Would they tho

[karmic plank]

spiro and v3 are amazing maps. idk why anyone would think differently. gateway sucks.

[wooden agate]

v3 is meh, spiro was PVP lovers hellscape.

if it was as loved as people lead us to believe, its branch would be more popular (especially considering it has the stamina system before they implemented the newer one)

i will say that one section of beach was quite nice on spiro

[karmic plank]

yeah it had alot of pvp but so does gateway? only difference is gateway has like 3 spots youll find peopole. where as in spiro you knew where most people or species would hangout. and the herbis migration was so much better than this current crap they have set up. if you want to pvp spiro you knew or EVEN COULD find people. and lots of spots to just chill if you didnt. gateway i can run for 20 min and not see a single person. or i have to go to 2 maybe 3 locations to find someone. hell gateway no one touches the north eastern side or swamp areas. they are horrendis

[limber hull]

spiro and V3 are far worse maps than Gateway. I genuinely don't get what this comes from unless your expectation for this game is constant action, in which case, uh oh