general-feedback-discussion

[mild isle]

Yeah you’re right, I assume context is missing, there may be a certain requirement for Omni to be able to pounce trike similar to its pin, idk lol

[cyan flame]

I just doubt they'd make anything outright immune, unless there's very good reason for that, and I'm not sure on trike being such, much less when we do have armored critters

And well, omni can currently sit on top of stego plates when pouncing so xD

It'd be like making stego immune to knockback/knockdown, which would be somewhat accurate, but probably wouldn't be done

[mild isle]

Didn’t they say in the devblog something along of the lines of wanting apexes to be hard to grow but well worth the grow? I can see them making trike like that- I believe they have plans to make Rex pretty op too

[cyan flame]

Pretty much, and we'll have to see. But then that'd fit with stego too, being up there in size and power, more or less. At least since it does need to deal with them at any rate.

There's the whole 20 omnis vs one rex and half the pack dying before the rex does if that still is accurate

[mild isle]

Do isle devs even consider Stego an apex? They may just prioritize apexes like Rex ngl lol

[pseudo slate]

is hordetest ping fixed

[cyan flame]

It depends on who and when you ask, it seems. I've heard various statements, but I think it's a yes, more or less. Like, if they can't balance apexes out, then they go to unofficials and so does stego with them then.

At least current HT stego seems to be back to being overall good, and apparently powerful enough to fit with an apex. I imagine rex and trike would be as bothersome to deal with as current HT stego is, at the very least.

Stamina costs are a little rough, but at least no more cooldown, and proper alt for the jab, so less control issues and no clunkyness. So stego is back to feeling like a proper playabe.

[latent olive]

@mellow acorn that’s actually a pretty interesting idea

defecation WAS talked about being used for a reworked scent/tracking system

this idea of yours would be quite funny to implement too

leaving a breadcrumb trail for egg stealers to accidentally run off a cliff

[sinful dome]

https://tenor.com/view/vangraffs-bodegang-monkey-typing-mad-gif-16355719

@viscid matrix

[viscid matrix]

ea yes?

[sinful dome]

I just liked ur feedback about food on mz and pz

[viscid matrix]

xD its funny yes JAJDAJ

[sinful dome]

And about coding

[viscid matrix]

yea cuz there was food a couple of days

and now they store all the food away of us and just give us a single plant of s

[sinful dome]

yea, ik, I had similar feedback few hours ago. I tried to get some food as a diablo, later on other server as a galli. I founded a single plant in whole mz. I guess herbies should lost weight. In devs opinion.

[viscid matrix]

xD i dont know but please they need to fix that thing asap its imposible to play hervi or omnivorus(the 2 omnivorous of the game that are hervivorus not even consuming meat :v)

[sinful dome]

I hope it will be fixed today, I waited for new HT patch a whole week, I tried to play as tenonto, there were plenty of plants, but from a plant i got only 2 percent of food . One plant = one bite.

[viscid matrix]

:((

[sinful dome]

And every time when I got some diet, i met full pack of ceratos.

[viscid matrix]

AHAHAHAH

[sinful dome]

[lilac bolt]

if your struggling to get food as a herbi go away from where everyone else is get a patrol zone then you'll have all the food to yourself. do that a few times and you'll be fine.

[sinful dome]

In whole pz and mz on empty servers was a single plant.

It gets 5 % of food and 2 nutri

[lilac bolt]

it should spawn way more then that?

[halcyon spade]

It is a struggle bus for all players right now carnivores trying to grow big and nest. Then herbivores just an all around starve fest. It is making us lose many players which in turn makes it hard on everyone to play. Now don't get me wrong I like (noticed I didn't say love) the new system and it needs its adjustments but itis a decent idea. Adjustments I suggest is plants give more food for sure since so little of it spawns now. The on top of that maybe make it where plants give more food. I understand I am no dev or Doni but it is a work in progress. Also screw the birds in delta they are mean T^T

[sinful dome]

Sure. Graining get 20 % of food. A plant 5.

On whole mz or pz is a single plant

[lilac bolt]

btw a small tip is that 33% diet on each slot is what is considered a perfect diet

[lilac bolt]

I usually get way more plants then that

[sinful dome]

It doesn't Wark because no plants and no shrooms in sanctuaries

[sinful dome]

Just new patch . Don't answer, just try it and feel it.

[halcyon spade]

Also what I like about the diets is the fact no more AFK growing which is amazing. But food and how much it gives needs to to be fixed. Oh another thing is how organs are now considered bite of the corpse don't like that either

[boreal briar]

@tender breach personally I feel there's a lot more people around than you think, just staying quiet. I don't even call out to reply to my own species unless I'm looking for a group.

[trim grotto]

I tried adding a message to General Feedback but it told me that my message "contained content not allowed on the server" or something along those lines. But in short: Make Carno bigger, Diablo smaller, Troodon Venom better, Dryo better, Beipi Swimmer-er, Pachy stunning-er, Deino/Stego Stam-er and Deino/Stego no Alt attack when 0 stam-er.

[cyan flame]

Not sure most of that would be good. And in some cases things are already good overall, or it's not what they need to be better or more fun.

[trim grotto]

Dryo has mediocre attacks that require you to be completely stationary, when the sole purpose of this thing is to step on the gas in the sight of danger. Beipi gets outpaced by Deino underwater and on the waters surface. Carno is Overpowered against small tiers and Underpowered against similarly sized mid tiers at the same time. Diablo is way too fat for It's own good. Troodon's venom effects are copy/pasted from Dilo's kit and are still ineffective at taking down prey. Pachy cannot defend itself from a Carno nor run from it (or stun for that matter). Stego/Deino have very little stamina for defense but doesn't need it at all for things like alt attacks.

Not trynna rant or cause problems but yeah, balance is a mess right now

[silent thunder]

Brother Expand Donge has forgotten the rules of nature 😔 a sad day be upon us

[inland vigil]

Did you cuss?

[cyan flame]

Well, dryo is apparently a bit better than most might think, even with stationary attacks, or so I've seen vids of. Beipi could do with some QoL, I'll grant that. Carno is fine, it's supposed to be good vs small tiers, and less vs similar sized. Diablo is meant to be this large, it's what the devs want. Troodon could use something more unique, sure, but it's overall fine. Pachy could use some help, yes, but I think it can handle carno if it just gets the breaks. And yes, stego and deino do have high stam costs, but it's okay honestly, and them being able to attack out of stam with alts is just like all other playables, intended.

[trim grotto]

I said at the end "maybe the big man on top could steal my ideas so we can have better balance" so yeah, might've been flagged for a reason

[cyan flame]

So carno does not need to get bigger, for what it's meant to do, and dibble well, they want it large, end of story really. Troodon could use some kind of effect at third stage that prevents things from just outright running away, not sure if the fog really does much there.

[inland vigil]

No that wouldn't trigger it. It's a bot that removes curse words

[cyan flame]

I don't see anything there that'd be of concern honestly

Can you repost? Or are you on cooldown?

[inland vigil]

You can say like lmao or wtf but if you say the whole word it removes

[trim grotto]

Im on cooldown cuz of it

[inland vigil]

Rip

[cyan flame]

Ah. Maybe if you talked to a mod about it. But if that was all you had in your message + what you wrote in here, then I'm not sure what's the issue to be honest

Unless there's something that I'm missing

[trim grotto]

Nah your not missing anything relevent in it. I had no swears, full dinosaur names, point list with proposed changes and weird bit at the end was the entire post.

[cyan flame]

Don't really know then. But if nothing else, we can still talk about your feedback here for now at least

[trim grotto]

But Troodon Venom could weaken nightvision instead of Copy/Pasting Dilo's fog effect, That'd be unique

[cyan flame]

And the devs and others do read, so might be seen anyway

[inland vigil]

About the carno thing you said, it should be overpowered against small tiers and bad against similar sized animals btw

[cyan flame]

It would, but I'm not sure it will help the issue. Troodon seems to need to be a bit better when it comes to pursuing prey, if I've understood things correctly

[inland vigil]

It's meant to be a small game hunter. Though the nutrients and food you get from that small game is another story

[cyan flame]

Current food is funny. My baby stego inhales bushes bigger than me in one bite xD

[inland vigil]

Yeah it's.. something lol

[trim grotto]

It's insane how weird the food is rn

[cyan flame]

Big bush of... sumac I believe. Gone in one bite!

[inland vigil]

I'm starting to get the hang of HT diet with carnivores but herbivores are even more unfun now

[cyan flame]

Shame they capped the buff values so harshly

[trim grotto]

They even added an invisible wall blocking us from the new Port. Tried going there as a pachy but couldn't walk through

[inland vigil]

I want to like herbis but I just don't
And yeah why cap the buff? Now you can just eat one diet and grow. Doesn't seem right

[cyan flame]

Was it a bit rough to run around looking for extra bushes, sure. Did it incentivice me to be fully active even as a fresh spawn, yes.

[inland vigil]

I like how it keeps fresh spawns active but I don't think it feels good

It just needs tweaks

[cyan flame]

No, they do need to adjust the values a bit here and there

[trim grotto]

To be fair, it does allow you to spec into your own combo while not having bad growth.

[cyan flame]

And if nothing else, more plant spawns I think

[inland vigil]

You can't really spec into a combo. Perfect diet is the best combo you can have

[cyan flame]

I think stego PZ/MZ are broken too still

Or mine don't seem to update or in some cases I don't even get any

[inland vigil]

We used to be able to spec into combos .. I wish it was still worth it

Triple dots 😔❤️

[cyan flame]

All the marigolds on the "mudpit" side of center, just roaming and chilling as stego, good times

[trim grotto]

Carbs are your guy for stamina. Protein gives you those gains for health. Lipids give you the other stuff ig. Dunno why it's so hard to do now though

[inland vigil]

I loved going on adventures to specific places where I knew specific plants grew

[cyan flame]

It's not that, it's that if you get perfect diet you get all the buffs

[inland vigil]

I know how it works. In the past you were able to combine specific diets to get specific perks. Now if you have anything less than all three diets you have worse buffs

[cyan flame]

Now there is one given "get all of this, and you get the most and best"

Before, you'd have one of each for best growth, and then you'd pick for the best of some kind of buff that suited you

[inland vigil]

It creates a meta where everyone must have all three diets or you are less powerful than others lol

[cyan flame]

I'd run carbs for stamina due to playing stego, deinos tended to go for protein for health (so they could fight each other), and ... not sure if anyone ever went lipid but I'm sure somone did

[inland vigil]

When previously you could kind of make a build. Some had better healing, some better stam etc

[trim grotto]

It seems like the Devs want us to choose our own Diets but also want us to get all of them so we can choose our own diets. Very confusing direction they going for tbh

[inland vigil]

Yeah idk I don't super love the way diets are working

[cyan flame]

Well, the system isn't finished, so I'm sure we'll get there eventually

[inland vigil]

We also really need gastrolithes for this system

[cyan flame]

But it does seem a little odd, unless the plan is that you're not expected to have all three most of the time

In which case it'd make a bit more sense

[inland vigil]

I believe you're not expected to have all three yea

[trim grotto]

You really never do have enough diets. I've tried nesting with one of my friends and we both got starved out nutrients while our babies were starving and our stomachs were too full to fill up our diets

[cyan flame]

So then you might still have to make some kind of choice, except you can't, cause now there is just the one slot for every nutri

[inland vigil]

It's changed from "I need to get one bite of lines to activate this last diet and get perfect growth and the best buffs" to "I will opportunistically eat anything I come across to grow as fast as possible and be as strong as I can". Which is fine! I like that change. But things definitely need adjustments

[cyan flame]

Oh the pain of activating a slot... Especially when the "priority" one was low enough to be filled first, while the other one was close enough to be filled with one bite

[inland vigil]

Yeah nesting with this system is not worth it whatsoever for the parents. And it already was not worth it for the parents so it's even worse

[cyan flame]

That and the "one more bite despite not holding E" thing, at least stegos do at times

So you'd start filling another slot with a nutri you didn't want

[inland vigil]

See I thought that the diet system was going to be completely the same but that any diet you got would give a small buff, only giving the largest buff when you filled it up completely. I wasn't expecting such a different system entirely

[inland vigil]

Especially prevalent on deino ...

[trim grotto]

Exactly. I dunno why having enough diets is always out of reach but, it's kind of turned into the constant migrations months prior. But instead "no more food, try again" it's "too full to get diets, try again"

[inland vigil]

Yeah lmao

That's why I think gastroliths should have been released with this diet system. Most of the time I can find the diet but I can't eat it because I'm already full

I know that they're going to be added but it feels kind of incomplete as it is now without them

[glacial dagger]

Lowkey bummed at beipis surface water debuff speed, I used to main it but now it’s just unbearable, same with pteras flight stam, completely trash from what it used to be

[agile fable]

dont hold space to go up as ptera, tap space. clinging onto cliffs/trees while above 60% stam and using them to takeoff saves alot of stam as well; along with falling off of high places and spaming space to begin flying saves 10% from the usual holding space to takeoff. ptera actually has a crapton of stamina imo, takes a long time to rest it back up tho(as it should)

[valid delta]

Small correction, but pteras stam will regen while clinging so long as you are above 25%, not just 60. But I agree it has plenty of stamina, you just have to be smart about how you use it.

[agile fable]

didnt know that, thought it was only 60%. ty

[valid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/themoreyouknow-more-know-gif-4483207

[lilac bolt]

@mental frigate we are kind of getting it. it'll be a mix between movie rex sounds and stuff like that

for just rex for now at least

idk if it's be certain calls that sound like that or we'll have the option but we'll see I guess

[mental frigate]

I hope so, vocals are already very nice, but customization would just be a positive imo

[spark roost]

@barren zephyr as far as I'm aware, hypsis do have a chargeable jump, where they can tap space to hop or hold it to jump higher or farther (it also seems to regain stamina if it's middle of the road and you jump while moving), is this what you mean or are you wanting even more distance on their jumps?

[barren zephyr]

Maybe some more distance and the ability to latch on to trees when climbing comes

[nova hemlock]

A body rotting within a minute and forcing sickness as soon as the sound of flies arrive as a bit shocking in the horde test 🥹

[valid delta]

Rip juvi troodons and omnis. 😰

[proven goblet]

What are the criteria for ptera latching stam regen ? or just sometimes it works?

[icy lion]

Have 20% stamina or higher iirc

[proven goblet]

I knew something was up lol thanks

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr The Isle already has a mating feature, just hold N in front of your "partner"

mating call is different

[limber hull]

i think the last devlog says they're planning something like that

[barren zephyr]

nice

[dawn hound]

i want that so bad

[midnight heath]

I'm just curious, why are you against this? #general-feedback message

Same with the omni on dilo, it does strike me as odd that they're not on one anothers.

[tawny pendant]

Dondi said on his stream - ptera is perfect, he can flying for all map, he doesnt need better stamina, and you are crying if you think different couse YOU JUST CANT PLAY HIM 🙂 just saying. @torpid void

Thats why 3% players playing him... sure... x)

sorry for ping.

Dondi once shouted at me for a similar opinion like yours

[nova hemlock]

Yep 🥲 Omni, I had caught a fresh carno and he vaporized before I got my stomach full from starving and then vomit sickness insta crushed that high

[lilac bolt]

Just glide most places and you'll be fine

[tawny pendant]

use 5 sec space button and you have 40% stamina bar. Soo funny to play. Sure.

thats why everyone playing ptera... oh.. they dont. Intresting.

what a coincidence

[lilac bolt]

don't use the space bar to go upward. it uses too much stam. Just point it slightly up where you need to and it barely uses any stamina.

[tawny pendant]

it still doesn't change the fact you need sitting 5-6minutes to regen stamina. Thats not the point of being ptera. He is weak, paper and can do 💩 We just wanted to a LITTLE BIT faster regen to have better experience as ptera, thats all we want to. But dondi said no and he was rude. But fine. let it be as it is.

[wooden agate]

4 minutes actually, and pteranodon is being reworked to be more interactive with the rest of the roster + getting some stuff to help people fly better

plus you can regen in a tree now so you quite literally NEVER have to land

[valid delta]

I don't see the hate. I think ptera is just fine overall. Things I would change wouldn't be the stamina. In fact, I think it's better that it stays a playable that is less common. Too many pteras would be bad for the game.

[tight iron]

a playable that is less common at the cost of making it useless...

it has no impact in anything, making it useless is just dumb, might as well remove it

spectator mode but cant actually spectate

[proven goblet]

I have mostly played ptera through the last few years. I would say the stam could regen a tiny bit faster. The tree stamming is honestly really nice, but it does suck sometimes to have to walk away from my game for 10 mins so i can go somewhere. but whatever

[pseudo slate]

wtf is this bug where u cant eat cant drink cant rest its so annoying

and now a 60 queue amazing

[valid delta]

You're fixating on the stamina side of what I said friend. I said there are things I would change, it's just not the stamina. For example I think we should be able to snatch and fly away with small juvis below a certain weight, as we do with fish. Frogs as well. But ptera isn't useless because of it's stamina, it is useless due to design. It's a bird. (Essentially) Do you see flighted birds doing much fighting with larger animals? Not really. Because they aren't adapted for battle and shouldn't be fighting or really interacting with ground animals at all unless it's to hunt the smaller ones. So it is never going to be anything but a good playable for exploring, looking around, watching others battle, annoying deinos, and bothering the few juvis that stand still for too long. That to me is it's uses. Different playables have different specialties and that's good for keeping things fresh. Dryo, Hypsi, Galli, Beipi are all equally "useless," except for those who enjoy the play style that those dinos offer. Ptera is the same. It offers a non combat centered play style of farming AI that is much more laid back than some of the others. Which to me, is very useful, as I find I like that aspect of the game. What would it take for you to consider it not useless? What changes would make it less bothersome for you personally?

[proven goblet]

That snatching is such a good idea honestly. I agree with you

[tight iron]

i mean...... youre right

allowing it to snatch things, making its stamina bearable, and overall making it more interactive

[boreal briar]

@winged summit Just a rumor, but I did hear they were making more things like that. I don't have an example of what other than rats/mice

[winged summit]

Ok, Good to hear.

[lilac bolt]

@full herald it's planned for the future just not soon from what we know

[full herald]

thats good information to know thank you very much

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message I do believe they have fixed it in horde test it happens sometimes but you can just grab the food in air and then eat it and it's fixed

[sharp egret]

Why is it that a stego tail swing when running, the charged tail attack/swings in the opposite direction you're looking at? Is this a bug? If not, it needs to be changed so that it attacks where you're looking at... like how it is for literally all other video games. It's impossible to defend oneself as a stego against other stego/dibbles. The strongest attack that a stego can do, has artificial difficulty due to reverse aiming. Also the tail charging and attack input is not consistent. The tail wont charge at all until i perform a non-charged swing first, Only then can I charge. Its gotten me killed many times.

[graceful orbit]

@hazy cypress ptera has a big revamp planned, unfortunately don couldnt keep his mouth closed and leaked it would be more ground based

[urban flax]

Was that an important secret to keep ?

[graceful orbit]

no it just hurts me that the only airborne animal wont be air based

[urban flax]

It will still be air based
But flying will become a tool rather than its only way to stay alive
Which I feel is better

While yes I know, ptera irl could fly for miles, if you're playing a game where everything plays on the ground while you play in the sky, you just end up playing alone
Which is also why there are no full aquatics planned

[graceful orbit]

fair enough, if it was sky based quetz would destroy it pretty sure

[urban flax]

Not necessarily, but it severely limits the interactions you can have with other species

People have been complaining ptera was a spetator cam for a very long time
And neither increasing its stamina nor allowing it to regain it while gliding would fix that

[graceful orbit]

true true

alr ima play some deino later tater

[vital laurel]

@barren zephyr being at low health and like half your normal dmg is punishment enough, if you are limping whats even the point? Why not just nerf everyones HP by 1/4 so you just insta die on red as that is what a limp would do

[hazy cypress]

exactly, the "rework" is another nerf. unless hes making ptera as big as quetz then this will further ruin the dino

[paper galleon]

@icy lion I'll put it in the error section but at least give me the message back, I spent half an hour writing it to lose it in 2 seconds

[icy lion]

Yup, I'll dm it to you

[barren zephyr]

if i play an immersive game, thta is supposed to give that immersive excperience. then i want some kind of punishing gameplay. isnt this game supposed to simulate a natural ecosystem?

[merry ore]

Hello everyone, what do you think of my suggestion? About Pteranodon

[hazy cypress]

i think its good. as a ptera pleyer, the thing is absolutely useless as of right now

[vital laurel]

A eco system where dinos spawn in, the majority is carnivores and stuff grows from 10 to 1000kgs in a couple days?

You already get faded colours and weaker and sound raspy

And you look scared up

[merry ore]

I really don't understand the people who were against this suggestion, apparently the weaker playable being actually playable is an allergy to some players.

[inland vigil]

im pretty sure they just dont like the playable having basically no drawbacks

cause you can scout with them for other dinosaurs

[hazy cypress]

because people hate the fact that pt pecks them and opens their bleed.

[merry ore]

Pteranodon doesn't cause bleeding that I know of, and if it does it should last 5 seconds lmao

[hazy cypress]

if you are healing a bleed, any dmg to your body will reopen the cut and make you bledd

[merry ore]

In the entire history of The Isle probably only 1 Pteranodon in all of history has been able to kill an adult carno, and you need 400-500 bites on a carno to kill it then lmao.
Pteranodons barely bleed due to their weak attacks, they are only effective on hatchlings.

There is an old video on YouTube of a Pteranodon player hunting an adult Carno, probably the only one with the feat of killing an adult Carno with a full health bar

[hazy cypress]

im aware of this, i play ptera a lot. but what i am saying. If you are bleedign and you get the little white plus sign, ANY damage will make you start bleeding again. even the pt peck

[lilac bolt]

it being a dino like that leads it to rarely engage with the ecosystem or other dinosaurs. that isn't good for any playable. it being more land based allows it to be more engaging both as a playable and with the game itself.

and it's not like it's not gonna get buffs and other methods to allow it to survive easier on land.

[valid delta]

What do you mean by being playable?

[hazy cypress]

you dont have a clue about what your talking about. ptera isnt a playable thats meant to interact with stuff, its a fisher not a land hunter or fighter. its meant to be a dino that you can explore with not an extra meal for litereally anything you come accross

[lilac bolt]

what are you talking about in what world should a playable not interact with the world you make for it? it doesn't need to fight anything but putting it in more situations where it can interact with the world will only help its engagement and playability and put it in more interesting situations. making it to where you can fly all the time only hurts it because it limits interaction and engagement overall.

[hazy cypress]

well making it a land hunter will not help that...

[merry ore]

No? Pteranodon is simply a spectator mode and it is not able to survive on dry land against any animal, it does not interact with almost any animal, even deinos that are peaceful with Beipis, all the animals in the game usually kill Pteranodons, its gameplay is aerial and he spends more time fishing and flying.
In his current state, he spends a lot of stamina in a single location and spends a lot of his time lying down or flying, he is basically a glider considering that flying upwards or flying fast costs a lot of stamina

[lilac bolt]

it'll still be fisher and kill ai but it'll have more things to do on the land and flying will stop being its main thing and become more of a feature and from my understanding dondi has wanted to do this for a while at this point

[merry ore]

This message answers all your ptero-related messages

[hazy cypress]

bro... flying is its sole purpose....

[lilac bolt]

for right now yes

[merry ore]

The current state of the Pteranodon is the opposite of Beipi, Beipi spends most of his time in the water jumping and swimming at high speed with little expenditure of stamina and his jump out of the water does not use stamina because the game only considers his water race. , practically FULFILLING ITS SOLE PURPOSE AND ROLE IN THE GAME that was specialized.

The Pteranodon is punished for its specialty

[lilac bolt]

does not currently mean that it won't be able to survive with it's kit adjustment to allow it to. i think dondi wants it to be more then just a spectator mode of a creature and wants it to actually stand out of being its own playable

[hazy cypress]

making it as ground hunter would not only be entirely wrong, it would make pt unplayable. i can hardly land wihout being attacked by every living creature let alone walk and hunt things

[merry ore]

My Jesus Christ, like Dondi, wants him to become more than just a playable animal, the only animal he can actually hunt are puppies and he is still limited because he has to catch them right at the moment of birth, most of the animals in the game puppies exceed 30 KG, which is the weight of the Pteranodon, that is, it cannot even capture the smallest animals in the game, only AI, if Dondi wants him to be more than a Playable then he should not be punished for his specialty

[lilac bolt]

beipi can still be attacked and interacted with in the water. ptera can just completely avoid every single playable in the game.

[merry ore]

Beipi CAN, but he has a 90% chance of not being attacked due to his rarity, cuteness and weakness.

[lilac bolt]

im just not. its obvious you don't want to be reasoned with and i frankly am not gonna sit here and argue. you can have your opinion and im not gonna try to change it. fair?

[merry ore]

Now many hate Pteranodon for randomly pecking them and its gameplay is based on avoiding interaction with other players as much as possible.

[hazy cypress]

if dondi actually took the time to play his own game, maybe he would realize that what hes doing would ruin ptera

[merry ore]

My point is quite obvious, Pteranodon is the weakest animal in the game and I want it to become an expert like Beipi in its own environment, making it an animal made for exploring the Island.

Dondi and other devs complain about players accumulating at certain points on the Island, being a PVP game, but they forget that they can easily offer an Exploration Kit to a harmless playable.

Beipi and Hypsi are literally two perfect players for exploring the environments in which they were designed, while Pteranodon has difficulty using its greatest specialty

[lilac bolt]

but he does play his game he's streamed it multiple times for hours?

[merry ore]

Beipi and Hypsi consume little stamina, relatively speaking they have good stamina regeneration and explore their environments well

[merry ore]

In fact, there is some evidence that he simply doesn't play the game, he only plays it when there is new content, Dondi has already confessed that he didn't know that certain playables had certain features or not.

[hazy cypress]

hes played it in admin mode, on an empty server... hes never actually taken the time to grow a dino on a normal server

[merry ore]

Showing content is different from actually playing the game

[lilac bolt]

he did in an ht server the stream before last and grew a teno and a hypsi

it was on the 15th of the month btw

[wooden agate]

idk i cant imagine pteranodon being bad at exploring when you can do laps around the map with one stamina bar (plus with stam regenning on trees now, you quite literally never have to touch the ground if you pick reabsorption mutation)

[limber hull]

i love how people genuinely think ptera will be useless because it has more terrestrial capabilities and is designed like an animal WITH flight, not as literally just the flight mechanic disguised as a creature

[lilac bolt]

i honestly don't know either tbh

it's just honestly frustrating at times

[limber hull]

people complain it being a spectator cam then complain about it getting mechanical depth so its an actual animal

ptera having insane stam regen and flight time just makes it a nothing animal. in a game where players are food, having one player just be entirely unchallenged by anything is wild

[lilac bolt]

yeah i just don't really understand it at all. why would anyone want an animal that actively does nothing for the game other then be a glorified spectator cam. i don't get it

[limber hull]

because that's all ptera has ever been, and the idea of that changing is uncomfortable to some

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message Yes just make the Ptera not even need to worry about stamina that seems fair and balanced

#general-feedback message You can find food anywhere not just mz if you failed to get any nutrients that's on you sir

#general-feedback message Dibbles are not overpowered and I agree with the Ptera and already nerfed dinos being nerfed into the ground but the dev hate is kinda unjustified

#general-feedback message Lag has nothing to do with optimisation if you have frame issues look at the steam requirments and also just lower graphics settings. Whenever I get on my framerate changes a lot but is fixed instantly by me just going to settings and hitting apply without changing anything.

[merry ore]

People's arguments regarding random spawn are like:

"Erm, but this way more places have life"

Literally all the carnivores visiting South Plains because it is the busiest place, people create a false idea that somehow being born in the most devoid of life on the map is better than being born in a busy place, in my opinion who argues about the way the current spawn works as something good just can't argue why it's "really good"

[marble quail]

It's good

[merry ore]

After seeing the majority dismissing Pteranodon's improvements, I see that an average Isle player only has 1 functional neuron.

[marble quail]

Thank you for you're great argument of insulting us because we disagree with you

[merry ore]

"Omg I was born in the most devoid of life, I'm going to walk for 20 minutes until I die of hunger"

[marble quail]

I mean it's not devoid of life it's just that people don't understand that and move immediatley somewhere else

This is being fixed gradually, West Access is now much more lively because people actually realise you can stay there now

[merry ore]

I didn't insult, I was just honest

[marble quail]

While I do agree with the average Isle player joke I don't think this applies here as your Ptera suggestion is kinda silly

I do agree the Ptera needs better stamina but not that much better

Your idea removes all worry about stam from the Ptera playstyle

[merry ore]

My Pteranodon suggestion isn't silly when I'm literally offering what it was made for

[marble quail]

Dude the 1 minutes regen is insane and way lower than anything in the game

[merry ore]

and do you think Hypsi and Beipi care about your stamina?

[marble quail]

Also not sure what you mean by very little stamina can you give a percentage amount

[marble quail]

As in their own or the Ptera's

Because Imma be honest here don't mess with a Beipi as a Ptera, they already hate you enough don't come near them they can oneshot you

[merry ore]

Hypsi runs fast, recovers stamina proportionally well, consumes little stam and is a great terrestrial explorer.

Beipi is quick in the water, consumes little stam, recovers proportionally well and is a great aquatic explorer.

Pteranodon has a strange stamina expenditure, it cannot do well in its own environment, being essentially a glider and it has terrible regeneration compared to the amount of stamina spent with few actions.

[marble quail]

Genuinely I think Ptera really needs some of the stuff you suggested the poor thing can barely fly but don't make it able to fly forever and have no worry about stamina or falling out of the sky

[marble quail]

Hypsi runs at 39 km that ain't fast

Yes I agree the Ptera needs major stam tweaking but your idea just removes all need to actually care about stamina

[merry ore]

Pteranodon has a 99% kill rate against players, he is essentially an aerial explorer who dies from a slap from Troodon, Maybe I exaggerated, but its consumption and regeneration of stamina should be very good to the point of being on the list of things not to worry about, being worrying only when it downs enough.

[marble quail]

Yes you exaggerated that's the problem

[merry ore]

He should be the best explorer in the game since he is the weakest animal and the only flyer, Furthermore, is this "exaggeration" harmful or beneficial, tell me.

[marble quail]

Harmful because just having this guy have no problem with stamina removes one of the core components of Ptera of stamina management

[marble quail]

He will not be the only flyer in a bit

[merry ore]

Bro, am I playing a status management game or am I playing with the weakest and least interactive animal in the game?

[marble quail]

Both

[merry ore]

Furthermore, who is it harmful to?
That's the point I'm making, it just doesn't affect the balance of the game.

[marble quail]

Ehh it does affect the balance of ptera itself I agree the guy needs much more stam and stam regen but not that much

[cyan flame]

Isn't part of the issue there the scouting ability, hence why ptera is not "allowed" to just fly forever, because then it'll just keep following someone. That and the lack of vunerability + lack for most terrestials to fight back. And on top of that, turning ptera into a spectator cam, rather than more of a playable does not seem like the best idea. Hypsi and beipi can and do interact more, and even so, hypsi is a bit of a special case. While letting ptera fly more would be nice, it doesn't really solve much in terms of ptera playability or what it actually does in the game.

[limber hull]

Ptera actually being a part of the ecosystem is something that it's needed for a long time, because ptera has always been adjacent to it

The "nerfing stam regen" path forces it to be on the ground, but given how unfun its ground gameplay is, it just sucks more, so the terrestrial rework actually lets it be fun in and out of the air, which is exactly what it should be

It's wild to me that people assume the solution is just make ptera never ever touch ground rather than giving ptera the complexity that EVRIMA prides itself on and some actual engaging gameplay that works with the ecosystem, not beside it

The proposed fast stam regen ptera is just not really a playable, at all. It doesn't engage with the core gameplay loop nearly as much as anyone else, and also doesn't contribute anything to said loop

It's just literally a demo of the flight mechanic, and if quetz were to release, ptera would be invalid due to the fact that it is literally nothing but flight and nothing else, while quetz sports mechanical depth

[merry ore]

The ptera's main problem is its weird stamina, how which it doesn't solve?
Pteranodon dies from anything and is the least interactive playable in the game, given its fragility Pteranodon cannot afford to land on land with nearby players due to the risk of attacks, even deinos attack although Pteranodons are the worst source of food of the game except for Troodons. Ptetanodon is essentially a spectator mode that explores the world in a dynamic way, its gameplay must be its aerial specialty, where it flies for long periods of time around the map until it needs to rest or when it ends up making a mistake causing it to fall to the ground, it also needs to drink water, which is essentially the main time that a Ptetanodonge actually LANDS on dry land, most of the time it avoids the ground simply because everything close to it on land is dangerous.

Oh my God everyone is writing a bible now

[merry ore]

Sir, this already happens in the game, PTERANODON LITERALLY ONLY LANDS TO EAT AND DRINK WATER.

They only rest in spots where accessibility to other playables is low or non-existent, where only another Pteranodon or a Herrera can reach, he's literally been doing this for a long time.

No Pteranodon player is crazy enough to walk on land in places close to a player or water source.
After all, Pteranodon's gameplay is to be an animal that is cautious about where it lands.

Also, the only playable character that sees Pteranodon as food is Troodon, he is already part of the ecosystem, he is just extremely useless for 99% of the animals in the game, since he disappears in one bite.

[merry ore]

How do you want it to be complex if it's literally the weakest animal in the game, Pteranodon is basically a bird seeing a Titanic world where everything kills it in one bite.
If a Pteranodon sees a Quetzal nearby it instinctively flees out of self-preservation instincts.

[cyan flame]

And the entire point was to make it more than spectator mode. Which just turning into more of a spectator cam doesn't help with. It does not need to be "aerial specialty", that might be one way to do it, but if it causes potential other problems, it might not be the best way to do it. It would be more interesting overall if ptera had more things to do than just fly around, no?

[limber hull]

complexity and power are not intertwined

an animal can be deeply complex mechanically without needing to be a fighter

[cyan flame]

You already can fly, or glide, quite well at that, if that's all you want to do.

[limber hull]

Which is the issue, 100%. Ptera doesn't engage with the game nearly as much as it should

[merry ore]

and do more things like what exactly? The only thing I can imagine is giving Pteranodon the ability to carry any animal up to a 12% growth rate regardless of weight.

It is the best way to increase your interaction with the food chain system.

[limber hull]

From what we know, reworked ptera will have some of the most engaging and interesting environmental interaction in the game, interacting with temperature/weather (hot air allows you to gain higher altitudes without stamina), more creatures (reworked ptera will coexist commonly alongside aquatics and arboreals due to how it's intended to eat/hunt/rest) and actually having a decently competent ground gameplay

Flight exists and is by no means forgotten, but ptera being reworked into an animal that actually actively interacts with its environment on many different levels

[cyan flame]

Well, they plan to make it fish in a different, hopefully more interactive manner. But it's a good question, since it is rather weak, but at the same time, giving it flying attacks can be an issue. I guess turning it more into some kind of social interactions might work, in some manner.

[merry ore]

Additionally, Pteranodon should be invulnerable in a nest when capturing a chick, as this would cause the parent to kill the Pteranodon and chick together.

For this to happen, nests must be more common in some way, I suggested that the animals in the game be Hermaphrodites, which is a step if something like this wants to become real.

In real life if an animal sees its young in a bird's mouth it will avoid a direct attack so as not to hurt or kill the young in the process.

[limber hull]

pteranodon being invincible? what?

[limber hull]

that sounds ABSURD. Beast of Bermuda type beat

How would the ptera even manage to hold it without looking stupid

[merry ore]

Not invincible, way of putting it, basically if it has a baby in its mouth the parents cannot attack it directly as it would kill the baby and ptetanodon in the process.

[marble quail]

No that's stupid as hell

[limber hull]

That makes no sense

[worthy plover]

Reanimate has a point. There is now way the in game pteranodon is carrying a baby steg or dibble at 12%

[limber hull]

If the baby is dead anyway because a ptera WILL kill it, at that point, kill the ptera

Dondi has said a hard no to ANYTHING relating to invincibility or invulnerability to all attacks

[merry ore]

It's a game, not 100% real life, I just proposed a random way to add their interaction to the food chain, pteranodons are incapable of hunting a damn baby.
You can simply rule out a baby Estego, but the double baby still seems likely to me.

[marble quail]

Have it need weight

Quetz would more likely get that because it's actually big enough to do that

[merry ore]

You read the word invincible so literally that I refuse to explain more than once that it is not literal.

[marble quail]

Also no it wouldn't be able to pick up a baby dibble

[limber hull]

There's no way a 45kg ptera picking up a 450kg stego wouldn't look silly

hell, ptera doesn't even have any way to reliably pick up anythng like that

It ain't got the Jurassic Park talon feet, it's got realistic pathetic little slapper feet

[cyan flame]

Wouldn't it be worth it to kill the ptera, remove the threat, nest baby again?

[merry ore]

Estego is not 450 kg at 12%, he is -230 kg

[limber hull]

That's still FAR heavier lol

[worthy plover]

I doubt even a carno or teno baby could be picked up at 12 percent. also that doesn't really help your point

[limber hull]

There's no way ptera's picking that up

[worthy plover]

Without looking silly

[merry ore]

Are you playing a game or a faithful copy of real life?

[limber hull]

It works in BoB because everything in BoB looks silly lol

[worthy plover]

Brand new hatchling from a nest make sense. 12% on most playables is just too heavy to not look kind of silly

[merry ore]

Sir, in Beast of Bermuda a Pteranodon or Tropeu cannot carry almost any animal, the only stage they are able to hold in their beaks is when it is a newborn.

[limber hull]

Just because it's a game doesn't remove the fact that it has a design philosophy centred around pseudo-realism

You CAN put unicorns in DOOM, but that wouldn't fit, would it

The aesthetic and design philosophy are there. Betraying that makes that interaction seem out of place and absurd

It harms the preset immersion the game intends to grant you

Because The Isle is not realistic, no, you are right there, but it is probably the most immersive of the games in this genre

[latent olive]

i am far more interested in the funny bird doing slav squats on a riverbank looking for fish than it just flying around for 140% of its lifetime

it picking things up has been done in like, 6 different games

[limber hull]

^

BoB, Primal Carnage, pretty much anything Jurassic Park related, some other dino games I've probably forgotten

[latent olive]

hell, its in dino run

the 2D sidescroller from like 2008

[limber hull]

Also, it picking things up doesn't make it engage more with the ecosystem at all, ironically enough. It's not DOING anything besides killing more, it suffers no new threats

It's literally just ptera, again, but more annoying

[latent olive]

if you make pteranodon pick up food and meat chunks somehow when flying, id love that

seagull-thief style

[limber hull]

I stand by the fact that the proposed ptera rework is significantly overhated and actually does, imho, not only improve ptera from a "making it part of the game in a meaningful way" but also a "make ptera as mechanically complex as it deserves to be given its tiny size"

[latent olive]

b-b-b-but it it makes THE SPECTATOR dinosasur DIE and FAIL TO survive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pteranodon is so BOOOORING!!!!!!!! wait you want it to do something????? it cant DO THAT !

make it do (combat ability) !!!!

[limber hull]

exactly what confuses me about the argument

people don't give a RATS ASS about playing ptera, and think the solution is more stam, when it isn't. It's still an empty gameplay loop

[latent olive]

giving pteranodon a mutation that allows it to dive underwater, or just making it basekit, IMPROVES gameplay significantly with ONE tiny change

[limber hull]

ptera is still a demo of the flight mechanic disguised as an animal. Beyond the fact that it flies and fishes, there is almost nothing unique about its gameplay loop. Compare it to beipi, and you'll realise how much more beipi has to offer, and that thing is really not great either, but at least it has depth

[latent olive]

but god forbid pteranodon does something other than combat

make it deal velocity-based damage that ramps up the faster you go, make it pick things up with its humanoid feet, make its beaks deal damage that multiply with each consecutive hit (????)

[limber hull]

this too, people are OBSESSED with the idea of its mechanical complexity coming from combat for some reason, when that has literally never been ptera's identity beyond the fact that it occasionally eats meat

[latent olive]

man just give me tupandactylus so i can eat fruits and bugs

and look snazzy

[limber hull]

honestly based

i want an insectivore so badly

[urban flax]

Actually there is a unicorn in DOOM Eternal

[woeful zealot]

Please don't forget its a beta and the game is not finished. All stuff is a test only. Sadly the developers spend time on buildings, vehicels aso. Manpower on AI and dinos and map corrections would be better at time, but its their game and decisions. Make first good gameplay with happy players and then think about additional stuff. There is lot of work on stuff, which is already in game. Thats just what I'm thinking.

[urban flax]

Every developer doesn't work on every aspect of the game
You can't ask the hard surface modeler to work on AI spawns, or the mapper to adjust balance

[woeful zealot]

This is right, but as vety small developer you need priorities and the, should be not on buildings interieur. Just my opinion, but its not on me.

[limber hull]

The dude making buildings and vehicles does only that. He literally can't work on AI or dinos, that's not his specialty.

He also works on guns and other such equipment, he's a hard surface modeller, like Bubulblu said

I mean... GUTS have an extremely vital role to play for the game, there's a reason they're working hard to get it out

It's going to make moving around the island MUCH easier

[limber hull]

like, what else do you want him to do? all he does is work on hard surface structures, he'd be doing literally nothing otherwise

[latent olive]

clearly he needs to work on the giganotosaurus

[woeful zealot]

Idon't know his job description, but possibly his skills are more then building s, I think, if he is working on a dino game. However. It was not my intention to make him bad or something. I'm talking about hole Team. Its just to plan "whats most important", a "to do list" and in my opionion this are not the buildings or cars. I like the isle more then PoT, but the PoT developers move in right direction after the last patch, maybe because they worden on gameplay, instead of buildings. Maybe.

[urban flax]

People are heavily specialized in the videogame industry, if you have someone who is a specialist in producing buildings and vehicles, you don't ask him to do programming and bug fixing. Because you already have someone who is specialized in programming and bug fixing, and that person is way better at that than any modeler would be.

[marble quail]

Tell me you don't know anything about game design with telling me that

[urban flax]

So it's really not a matter of focus, as everyone on the team is focusing on their own thing, which is what they should do
Because if the cook in a restaurant starts trying to give advice to the electrician trying to fix the lights, then he's not cooking anything, and he's probably not knowledgeable enough in electricity to do anything useful

[woeful zealot]

That's correct. I am not an insider, but great to learn something here about game design.

[marble quail]

Thank you for admitting your lack of knowledge and sorry if I came off as a bit blunt and rude I've just seen this take some many times before and it just really makes me annoyed that people complain about game design without understanding it

[woeful zealot]

I wonder about your knowlege about the isle team and their work. You seem to have insider informations. This is rare.

[marble quail]

Not really just an understanding of game design and the roles in it

If you check the devlogs next to everyone's names are their jobs

[woeful zealot]

Ahh ok. I through you are an insider and we get a look inside.

[marble quail]

For example Wedge is a Sound Designer whose job is to work on the calls of dinos and ambient sounds he wouldn't do anything else as good as the person who fits that role and it's the same for him no would be able to do his job as well as him.

Most people in this commnity are kinda toxic to the devs when tbh they are very nice people who appreciate the fandom and listen to us

[woeful zealot]

That's great for a dino game. It would be weird, if he would do sounds for airplanes, instead of Sounds for dinos in a dino game. 😋. Just a little joke! I know what you mean. Maybe I don' like to see buildings, cars, airplanes and humans inthat game. That's maybe the point.

[marble quail]

Ehh the buildings and cars and humans are for lore

The humans will be pretty cool I bet

[urban flax]

Many people are waiting eagerly for humans, as the three-faction gameplay is the premise that sold the game for a lot of them (including myself)
And I'm more than happy to see that they're finally around the corner

Dino-only games are nice, but they get boring after a while
They all end up being samey

[woeful zealot]

Sounds good for you. So the game maybe is nothing for me. I've expected maybe something different and not read exactly the description of the game.

[limber hull]

unless they're BoB in which case they take a logical extreme of being insanely stupid and broken and run with it

[urban flax]

It seems a lot of people bought this game without reading its description

[limber hull]

the buildings are also for gameplay purposes

GUTS will:

• Enable faster travel across the island
• Be customisable completely by server hosts
• Provide new environments to engage with

[urban flax]

I wonder if GUTS will be procedurally generated on official servers
That would be crazy

[limber hull]

Would be actually fascinating if they do that

Would provide an insanely unique experience

[marble quail]

Or the system requirments

My favourite critcism of a video game is that it didn't run a potato thus it bad

[limber hull]

The optimisation could use work let's be honest

But I'm not whining every hour about it because it's very clearly an ongoing process

[marble quail]

Fair but it's not a massive issue

[urban flax]

Starfield

[marble quail]

Starfield is bad anyway tho

[urban flax]

Yes
But it also has more polygons in one sandwich than there are polygons in my entire student movie

[marble quail]

Who cares though when the game is crap

But that's just the case with Bethesda games made by Todd Howard

You know how people sent him a box of lockpicks and was told to weigh them when in Fallout 76 they weighed a massive amount early on

I'm gonna mail a pipebomb to him and tell him to make better games

[urban flax]

btw the DLC flop made me laugh hysterically
Because people got disappointed by it for how bad it was

And I mean
Who bought that DLC ? People who play starfield obviously
People who enjoy Starfield, whose bar for a good game is so low it's a tripping hazard in hell, got disappointed by its DLC

[marble quail]

That is the best analogy I didn't even know there was dlc

I see why

[urban flax]

Wait I didn't even know how much it costs
Why does a 50$ DLC even exists

[marble quail]

Apparently this has anything to do with game design

[urban flax]

um what

[marble quail]

I agree with not wasting your time but please waste your time with leaving this Earth you might not like the fact that half of the world is women a good chunk is homosexual

[woeful zealot]

I know also another developer, who wasted time on things, instead Patch the game and make it playable. Many of their Team lost their jobs after the dlc flop and fans comments.
But the isle is another topic, cause evrima isn't a finished game. The never sold it as finished. So its ok, if things not working yet.

[limber hull]

this feels like it's well beyond off topic now

[urban flax]

Single-developer games are a different thing

[limber hull]

^

[marble quail]

Yep correct

[urban flax]

It's okay as long as the mods don't notice us

[limber hull]

also "wasting time" is a hard call to make because The Isle's work on human structures is vital for laying the framework for the game's future

[woeful zealot]

I didn't talked about the isle Team. Another developer then the isle. I don't want to say the name.

[latent olive]

the backrooms

[steel beacon]

Guys I found an awesome idea for the devs that would give hadrosaurs more personality. Check this out! I’m praying u guys fw it as much as I do

https://youtube.com/shorts/FTcO_6N1tcY?si=80Q73J7kFjwwpD64

[woeful zealot]

Some intresting stuff there. Thanks.

[devout stump]

Introduction:
Hello Islanders,
I would like to propose a theory for any of you interested in hearing me out to chew on. I'm relatively new to theory crafting for the isle and I've had this "a-ha!" moment that feels a bit too big for me to try to sort through on my own but i will give it my best to organize my thoughts into words. I would greatly appreciate any and all feedback, please and thank you.

Proposed problem solved by theory:
The devs noticed a good long while ago that the majority of players playing the isle are not utilizing what could be considered 1/3rd of the overall gameplay loop. This under utilized function of the game being the courting, nesting, multi-layered mutations, and raising of hatchlings system mechanics.

Theory:
I believe the devs have been making some rather subtle and not so subtle changes to the isle over the course of the last several updates and near future updates to address the problem stated above and here is my reasoning.
Starting with the most recent changes the have come to the hordetesting servers. The diet system changes and with these changes the observed increase in difficulty trying to not die of starvation faced by newer less experienced players as juvenile dinosaurs, the introduction of the egg gestation mechanic, the ability to now steal eggs from nests, and the reworking of underused and overused mutations.
The potential mechanics and new dinosaurs coming to the game "soon?". Those being the elder system, the opening of more mutation slots, the mentioning of nesting grounds coming back to the game, and potential new mechanics of three new upcoming dinosaurs. For the herbivores we have Maiasaura the "good mother lizard" pretty sure there while be some sort of new nesting and or caring for its hatchlings mechanics. For the carnivores we have Baryonyx with its proposed concept art ability to carry water and or food in its throat pouch to its hatchlings and it building its nests in muddy wallowing spots. For the omnivores we have Oviraptor potentially having a playstyle as an egg thief/nest raider. In addition to these three planned dinos we have the T-rex and the trike, although the latter I personally haven't heard much to say this with certainty, coming to the game as unplayable apex dinos on official servers and that these NPC dinos will majorly challenge the survival skills of solo players and give them a nudge towards wanting to form herds/packs to better their odds of surviving an encounter with either apex, and thus opening up the potential for these players to nest more often now that they are in said herds/packs more often.

In conclusion:
There are probably a lot more aspects and changes to the isle that have been made lately to nudge us towards using the nesting system more often that we can probably think of. I have done some testing with some friends of mine on the horde testing servers to see if being nested in and being raised to adolescence made not starving in the juvenile stage easier and so far out of the 5 dinos we've tested this theory on all of them seemed to be much much easier to make it to adulthood once we left our parents at adolescence and had more then three mutations for our dinos. I hope any of you reading this have come away from it with something new to think about and i welcome any feedback and thoughts on the theory you may have. thank you for your time and i hope you all have a great day.

[limber hull]

for a minute i thought this was AI generated but the fact you actually took the time to write this out and even format it like a goddamn science experiment is madness props to you for the effort lol

[devout stump]

thank you, like i said in the introduction i wanted to do my best to organize my thoughts to relay this information to the best of my ability.

[silent thunder]

Anyone else in here like reading the feedbacks of people complaining about game balance because their small herbivores can't 1v1 medium sized carnivores ?

[valid delta]

It's my favorite! Lol People want this game to be super smash bros with the hypsi as the op but takes some skill playable, and that's just not how this game is meant to be played. Lol

[cyan flame]

Well, its normally the carnis complaining that the herbis aren't "free food" for them, interesting if there's herbis now complaining

[valid delta]

Personally I see both, and chuckle at both. Don't pick fights you can't win, and don't expect that you should win a fight you do pick, if you don't play the dinosaur correctly in the first place. Strategy goes both ways.

[icy lion]

@weak drum Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers

[weak drum]

This won't help much, there should be something else, e.g. a private server for chatters and only they would be there

[wintry whale]

All reports of hackers are looked into

[valid delta]

Mate, people have even hacked Lan tournaments before. We all agree hackers do not add value to a game and should be dealt with, but let's keep in mind that it is truly not possible to have a perfect system for dealing with them. Even AAA companies don't have perfect anticheat so I feel like we have to cut a little slack for the small companies like this. And while I've come across cheaters in game too, I've not seen it to be a worse problem for the isle thn with other games.

[weak drum]

I understand that but 90% of my deaths in the game are caused by cheaters so I'm sick of it

[icy lion]

Then report them

[wintry whale]

Hackers can’t be dealt with if they aren’t reported

[weak drum]

I always report them but this not help

[icy lion]

I don't see any reports in your message history

[wintry whale]

You have a total of 22 messages in this server, and none of them are reports of hackers

[weak drum]

I report on servers where I have also encountered them

[icy lion]

Follow these instructions to see how to report hackers #evrima-eu message

[wintry whale]

Whenever the anticheat gets updated, they update hacks to get around the anticheat, and the cycle continues on and on, but unofficial servers not banning hackers isn’t really something we can help with here

[valid delta]

I wonder where you are playing that I'm not then? 90% of my deaths against players seem like my poor decisions to press an attack, or just getting outplayed. I certainly don't feel that cheating is causing my deaths, so what is the difference between our experiences I wonder?

[wintry whale]

Gravity is the final boss of every isle player

[valid delta]

Oh absolutely my biggest enemy!! Lol

[boreal briar]

Don't even mention the G word in my presence. I've lost far too many dinosaurs to sprinting when I can't see ahead of myself, running right off a cliff.

[wintry whale]

You’ve got a bone to pick with Sir Isaac Newton

[sacred junco]

<@&933486433342222376> im stuck on na 4 can this be helped ? it is a bad spot im in the grassland pinned between rocks and a tree

[valid delta]

Have you tried the /unstuck command?

[wintry whale]

If /unstuck doesn't work, check the pinned comments in the regional server channels

[urban flax]

@mild isle (why are there so many people called Eros on this server goddammit)
Utahraptor is planned
It's gonna be a beefier omni, with feathers, possibly no pounce, and with more of a brawler playstyle from what we know

[mild isle]

I remember hearing somewhere it was planned, but I wanted to make the suggestion anyways with my description so it maybe got put a little higher on the dev’s list lol

[valid brook]

@urban flax to make life easier. turn on dev mode in options, copy their discord id, and do this with it <@ 271991689072214016 > without the spaces.
example.
@urban flax

[mild isle]

Or just- click on the username and do @ and paste..

[valid brook]

doesnt always work

[mild isle]

It copies the actual user (so erosion.212 for me) not just Eros, never had it fail to work considering there can’t be duplicate users

[valid brook]

when weird symbols get involved it doesnt like it

[urban flax]

Thanks but I didn't ask anything

Oh about the people named Eros

I didn't know I can enable dev mode on Discord, thanks for the tip

[sacred junco]

anyone know how to get unstuck on na4?

[urban flax]

You can type /unstuck in chat

[sacred junco]

in game?

[urban flax]

yeha

[sacred junco]

LAWWWWW thanks 🙂

[tight iron]

@mild isle planned

[mild isle]

Yeah I know lol main reasoning behind my post was to hopefully get it higher on the dev's priority list and drop some additional ideas

[tight iron]

ohh i see i see

[merry ore]

My beloved pteranodon is getting what he deserves

https://tenor.com/view/overlord-overlord-opening-overlord-flag-overlord-opening-1-gif-15157568466522275453

[lilac bolt]

why are you so against pteradon being an interesting playable with mechanical depth over a glorified spectator cam? like honestly i'm curious

[lilac bolt]

pteradon deserves better then to be a spectator cam of a playable.

[merry ore]

• Pteranodon is the weakest playable

• Pteranodon is the least interactive player in the game, given its fragility and avoids direct interaction with other players as much as possible

• Pteranodon is the worst specialist animal in its environment, having a stamina that takes a long time to regenerate as well as consuming a lot of stamina with few actions, essentially functioning like a glider

I'm literally providing the stats that Pteranodon needs, which is not contradictory considering that Hypsi and Beipi are experts in their environment and exploration.

[limber hull]

Pteranodon IS a glider

It's been a glider since day 1

[merry ore]

now pteranodon can't fly up for 5 seconds half of its stamina is consumed lmao

[lilac bolt]

pteradon is currently the weakest playable in the game why do you keep acting like it can't change?

[limber hull]

I don't know why you actively admit pteranodon is effectively a non-playable which exists only as a spectator cam and then proceed to suggest changes that would only make that more the case

[merry ore]

As he's supposed to stop being the weakest playable when he dies to a Dryo/Hypsi? like, there's no way to change that except increasing his stats so he doesn't become a damn land mosquito, plus pteranodon is the worst specialist animal in the game, being terrible in its sole function.

I'm suggesting changes that make it better in its own environment, if you want more interactive mechanics for Pteranodon then you can suggest ideas because I don't have any related to that, just improvements for what it was specialized for.

[limber hull]

no it isn't? it's fine at fishing and can fly great distances, what does it fail at?

[lilac bolt]

exactly thank you

and the things being added( i forget the name) will help ptera fly better then it currently does rn

air vents i think

[limber hull]

thermals, yup

[lilac bolt]

yes ptera can't traditionally fly but it can easily glide across entire chunks of the map with an entire bar of stam.

[valid delta]

Yall, seagulls don't fight bears and elephants for a reason. It's the same with ptera. Lol

[lilac bolt]

currently dies to it yes

[merry ore]

I think a good mechanic that could be added to the game is the pteran being able to perform rapid dives, it achieves a temporary effect of speed in the water due to its aerodynamics, real pteranosaurs did this, especially those that had thin fur to prevent it from the weight of the water would hinder its return to flight out of the water.

In the game version, if a ptero falls awkwardly into the water it will have to swim to dry land, if it has a good speed it can swim at high speed and emerge, this mechanic would be good for it to capture babies that are crossing the river or for fish.

[lilac bolt]

now this i can agree with. i'd quite like ptera to have as many ways to get fish as possible and diving for them would be great

[merry ore]

in my opinion the pteranodon could carry animals up to 12%, except stego and diablo obviously, apart from these two, if a pteranodon captured an animal larger than 13% it would start to lose its flight if it did not release the captured animal, it would not be able to capture animals above 15%, because when grabbed, it would fall into the water in less than a second due to the weight, in my opinion this action should not consume vigor, just the action of flying higher should consume more resistance, as it is carrying extra weight needing more strength to fly higher.

In relation to the clinging chick, this does not exhaust the Ptero's resistance, considering that in real life many fliers capture their prey and keep it in flight for hours until they find a suitable place to feed on it.

I mean, how are you supposed to make it out alive while you're 10 meters above the ground? XD

[lilac bolt]

interesting idk how well it would work in game but could be nice

[limber hull]

then all you've done is made ptera a worse quetz

[lilac bolt]

yeah that's true

[limber hull]

also all combat calculations in this game are done via weight, not growth percent

[merry ore]

Pteranodon being able to carry young is pretty basic, Quetzal wants adults...

https://tenor.com/view/radahn-consort-of-miquella-promised-gif-1893093545603856836

[limber hull]

quetzal wants young or small adults

quetz is not big enough to carry the vast majority of adults

[merry ore]

Omnis, Dilos, Galli, Pachy, Young Tenos, Young Ceras, Young Carnos.

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-dance-cat-dance-cat-dancing-gif-27532461

[limber hull]

yea, young. The majority of the finished roster will not fear quetz as an adult

Because quetz will be our flying baby hunter

[lilac bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-quetzalcoatlus-pterosaur-pterodactyl-honk-gif-4331593376030760420

honk

[limber hull]

giving ptera the same role just makes it a pseudo-quetz and doesn't add anything to its intended niche, it just gives it quetz' niche

[lilac bolt]

which is fishing for the main part correct?

[merry ore]

no?

[limber hull]

yes

[merry ore]

Is everything pseudo-quetzal now?

[limber hull]

no

[merry ore]

so no

[limber hull]

what?

[lilac bolt]

what?

[merry ore]

.

[limber hull]

just your suggested ptera is pseudo-quetz

[merry ore]

FISHING A DAMN OMNI SWIMMING WITH 12% GROWTH

is a Quetzal now

https://tenor.com/view/radahn-eldenring-eldenringboss-whyhehitsohard-gif-2955458247306285007

[lilac bolt]

carrying stuff into the air is quetz's thing

[limber hull]

and you can't just peck said 12% omni? Why add the quetz-grab

Ptera has the best bite to weight ratios in the game

[merry ore]

Quetzal carries a damn adult omni, ptero a practically newborn baby, there is a clear difference.

[limber hull]

So... Juvi quetz, then

Ptera is juvi quetz

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

@fading pecan herrera already has several lines diet options and frankly doesnt need more

[merry ore]

yes

[limber hull]

Okay so why pick ptera

[merry ore]

but he like to swim

[wooden agate]

why are we trying to make pteranodon into mini quetz

[lilac bolt]

same thing but smaller there is little to no difference

[limber hull]

If quetz exists, why pick the worse pseudo-quetz

[merry ore]

Why is he a psivorous/carnivorous flyer that should be fully capable of capturing defenseless babies?

[limber hull]

He can peck the defenseless babies

He doesn't need a quetz ripoff grab move

[lilac bolt]

how much damage currently can ptera do full grown?

[merry ore]

Players easily exceed 12% growth, so it is unlikely that a ptera and a baby will be less than 12% in the same location, as well as the Pteranodon's interest in capturing it, being an option for interacting with the food chain.

[limber hull]

15, which is not bad given its size

[merry ore]

15, smaller than a Troodon.

[limber hull]

most 12% sized juvis outweigh ptera

[merry ore]

no

[lilac bolt]

would you be against increasing the damage a bit?

[limber hull]

personally i think the fact that it can 2 shot its own kind is already nuts

2 headshots = dead

[limber hull]

literally yes idk why you'd argue this

[merry ore]

An adult ptera is the size of a human on The Isle, the young are born up to the height of the human knee, when they reach 12% of them they are around the waist of a human.

[limber hull]

it's objectively the case

[limber hull]

They're also much denser and longer than ptera

[wooden agate]

real!!

[limber hull]

In fact, some animals spawn PAST the 12% stage, which makes this even less viable

Calculations in combat should be done via weight, not growth

[lilac bolt]

how about a slight increase in health?

[limber hull]

It creates bizarre inconsistencies

[limber hull]

Don't think it needs it. It's exceptionally capable at not taking damage to begin with

[wooden agate]

isnt ptera like 35kg

[limber hull]

45

[merry ore]

45 or 30

I dont remember now

[wooden agate]

most* animals spawn above that anyway

exceptions being uhh... hypsi and troodon?

[merry ore]

Troodon is 60Kg

[lilac bolt]

whats its growth time then?

[wooden agate]

idk like an hour

[merry ore]

1Hour and 20-30 mins

with diet I guess

[limber hull]

I don't think bandaids like weight, damage or growth fundamentally resolve the fact that its core gameplay is dull

[wooden agate]

so very excited for ptera rework

[limber hull]

ptera grab is just never viable without looking absurd

[lilac bolt]

yeah it's very simple right now without it having to do much

[limber hull]

same, but others don't share the excitement

[valid delta]

I think many are happy for it, it's that opinions on what that should mean are not aligned.

[quartz prism]

Ptera grab would be awesome for gameplay. Too it would make sense that depending on size of the grabbed animal how fast the ptera would be about to fly upwards would go to help balance it to avoid ptera being able to grab fly up and drop for fall damage spam

[limber hull]

again, literally just quetz

[quartz prism]

So? can't quetz also stand on its own while sharing that feature?

its not harmful to think its a fun add

[limber hull]

i think other features should be added so both creatures can stand on their own

because if you give it to ptera, what will end up happening is people will just not play it because quetz does what ptera does, but better

rather than have to balance/nerf ptera around the fact that it has the quetz ability, give it other more unique mechanics to allow it to be its own animal adjacent to quetz, rather than being viewed as a juvi quetz

[quartz prism]

It can add a layer to ptera for those who dont want quetz growth
again, nothing harmful in thinking its fun. I see in the recent feedbacks suggestions you interacted with you have only disliked. I;m just trying to share a postive point, If you have something you like you want to add or something else positive i'd love to hear it too

[wooden agate]

tbf i also downvote a decent bit of the feedback posts because they arent that great most of the time

[limber hull]

i haven't seen anything i've liked as of late, sadly

as for ptera, i think it is harmful, because either
A: You add the mechanic and it's useless, because of how small ptera is, and people get annoyed because "why did you add this mechanic if you weren't gonna let ptera do anything with it"
B: You add the mechanic and it's far stronger than it has any right to be because the only way to make ptera reliably pick up most of the juvi roster is to let it pick up creatures well above its own weight, then it becomes frustrating to deal with

Alternatively, you can focus on mechanics less focused around PvP (personally I find the hyperfixation on PvP as the only way to "have fun" extremely short-sighted), and give ptera engaging PvE mechanics and interactions with the arboreal and aquatic roster

[quartz prism]

For A i get what you mean but at the same time being even just a egg stealing only feature can still be enjoyable and make it not feel uneeded as it can be a good high risk high reward for pteras. Just like how every dino already has similar feeling mechanics/gameplay options
For b i just what i mentioned for a would also be the same. Plus too we have herra who is mainly just a juvi killer but ppl still find fun with it

Adding pve stuff is always something I'd love to see ofc. But for suggestions on pvp (to make ptera actually have interations with other players in other words) it would make sense since every other dino is based to have suchs interactions in one way or another
Again you make good points. But there are still vaild points towards the suggestion too. Both are just suggestions at the end of the day

[quartz prism]

(Replying because i forgot to do it above, mb)

[limber hull]

i personally dont think ptera needs PvP at all. It's mobile enough to avoid any and all threats, and can easily be given an engaging gameplay without needing to fight (not to mention ptera fights are notoriously unfun for the other side)

[inland vigil]

if i knew so many people would upvote this id have put more effort into the drawing 💀

literally looked up "patrol zone isle" on google and yoinked a super low quality img and then scribbled badly with my finger and threw it on there 😔 ahh my laziness knows no bounds

[merry ore]

Sinister eyes are better

[quartz prism]

Ok i can see your personal opinions. I hope the things i previously mentioned helped explain my personal opinions as well ^u^

[limber hull]

@tepid shell there is a branch where you can play on spiro before the stam changes, herrera and dilo or any of that stuff

[tepid shell]

I’ve tried playing but couldn’t

[limber hull]

ah, that's because literally no one is hosting a server on it

also Spiro can't be brought back to the live branch. It's full of bugs, performance issues, poor level design and so on

It'd need a complete reconstruction from the ground up to work, and at that point, it would no longer be the map you recognise

[tepid shell]

I understand about the bugs and stuff, but I still think it’ll be cool to make it live despite all the bugs and stuff so we can have more maps to play with (im not talking about someone hosting it). Also it’s the Isla Spiro map, the OLD map, the bugs and stuff is okay but I just wanna be able to play it again for all the memories I’ve had on it

[valid delta]

I mean, no real shade with this, but.... it's not like we play bug free at the moment anyway. 🥰

[fading pecan]

It’s not about line diets. It’s about the species on their diet. Aka players that are killable

[tepid shell]

😭😭

[limber hull]

the issue with that is one of the biggest bugs with Spiro was that it doubled download times due to its sheer lack of optimisation

basically, to please the small fraction of the community who'd want to play it, you'd harm everyone else

[tepid shell]

others aren’t forced to play it if they don’t want to, and doesn’t even have to be like in the server option in the gateway servers. But like choosing between hordetesting and the current gateway map, Isla spiro would be there BUT live and not only for people hosting it. That way for those that DO wanna play will play it to not only have another map to play but also a completely different style of gameplay and most importantly (atleast for me) to bring back memories.

[limber hull]

they have a branch for spiro, it has no official servers due to the complete lack of demand

and the fact that they can't afford to spread their resources across three branches at a time (spiro/gateway/hordetesting) given how full servers can get at peak times

[tepid shell]

yeah I understand that, and I also understand that it’s a lot of branches but it’s not like they gotta add smth new to Isle Spiro, just make it live and that’s it, just leave it just for those that wanna play it, that’s all. But anyways, it was just an idea I had for awhile and I thought I’d put it out there. I understand if it’s not possible but just thought I’d give the idea out 🤷‍♀️

[sinful dome]

@boreal nymph there is the reason. Omni is heavier (450 kg) then a galli ( 425 kg) . It was always, an omni can pin something with same or smaller weight ( another omni, galli, beipe troodon, ect.). For example, u have 60-70 kg. And get ponced something like 80-90, or 100 kg. If u are not a power lifter, u would just lay down and can't rise up. Galli is faster then omni, it has walking like omni's running. So u have a great tool to escape - ur speed.

[wintry whale]

@random flame Does troodon not have the directional dismount that omni has?

[random flame]

I was trying to dismount towards the cliff where my camera was pointing and it ended up sending me off the cliff in the opposite direction. I do know that troodons pouncing isnt quite the same as omnis when it comes to switching positions while mounted.

[wintry whale]

Weird, I know omni can swap their position with WASD, but I just assumed troodon could to the same

[leaden prism]

@wintry whale I'll bite, why lol

[random flame]

At the moment troodons can't switch positions when mounted. Only omnis can

[wintry whale]

It’s supposed to be hard, and there’s still more to come to make it more difficult, but there’s also still more rewards that aren’t in yet, I say your feedback is primarily a result of an unfinished game, and that other people playing to their advantages to either defend themselves most efficiently or to hunt most efficiently isn’t an issue

[wintry whale]

Interesting

[leaden prism]

Difficulty imo shouldn't be equitable to time invested to achieve a stat unless it's something you can improve on or have control of. Lemme put this as an example. I started a Troodon earlier, decided I was in a decently sized group. I see a couple dead, I decide to eat the corpses to work toward the canni trait. This means I now can't really fill my stomach on good nutrients to grow or I have an even longer time not getting the mutation if nobody dies. Either way, you lose out just trying to achieve the requirement for a hidden trait. I did eat enough though, and eventually I waited until I could find food somewhere. Couldn't find any that wasn't already taken, guarded, or gone, no stomach left, I hang near some bby cera's that are attacking each other in hopes I can get a snack after they finish or ya know... anything. I'm still not grown. Not capable of fighting anything and least of all a cera with less than 1 bite force.

The baby runs up to me and bites me once, I'm dead, even though I was hidden in a bush, which... fine, if they spot me, I'm donezo, that's fine and still my mistake if they spot me of course.... but then what's the point of me trying to work toward a mutation that takes such a detriment to grow if the end result is this easily taken away?

[wintry whale]

Troodon is more skill based than other dinosaurs, I treat the isle as a story generator, so I relish any inconvenience or obstacle to growth, or any close calls

[leaden prism]

It's so much time lost for nothing

I feel like my point is skipped here but alright 💀

[limber hull]

Well the alternative is PoT, where the punishment for death is negligable if not meaningless

[leaden prism]

I'll delete it, one negative vote and it's an avalanche after lol

[wintry whale]

The amount of time makes the dinosaur should make it valuable

[wintry whale]

Don’t do that, my opinion is very rarely a reflection of everyone elses

[leaden prism]

It already had 4 and I posted it almost 5 minutes ago, I don't think people are going to read into it beyond "lol ur mad you died" at this rate. I'm fine with losing. I'm fine with a costly mistake, a value to make your character more worth surviving. I'm not okay with spending an hour dealing with negative effects that eat away time for you to play the game, resulting in me needing to sit in a bush afk for an hour for a sickness to go away or for a mutation to kick in to make the time worth it. It doesn't feel right imo

[leaden prism]

The punishment is already there in losing your growth, that's already enough imo

[limber hull]

But with your growth also comes your mutations, correct?

[leaden prism]

But mutations doubledown on this, then nesting does it again.

[limber hull]

You can't allow people to keep their mutations because powercreep would be nutty

[leaden prism]

It's just too much effort that makes the game not enjoyable in the actual process of playing.

[leaden prism]

I don't think that's a good solution either

But needing to eat 2 corpses worth of your species, being unable to grow and worse tripling your growth so you can gain a unique trait later down the line if you survive long enough to get there(which you need nutrients to do but you can't because tummy full) feels like a tad much sucking away the game itself.

[limber hull]

But you don't NEED that trait, that's an entirely optional risk for a unique playstyle that you picked

I think that's the fundamental disconnect here

[leaden prism]

Nobody needs any of them if I go with that logic though lol.

[limber hull]

If it were necessary to acquire that trait, then there'd be an issue, but all those challenges are self-imposed

It's taking on a significantly greater challenge for the potential of a new unique playstyle

[leaden prism]

But do you think that's fun?

[limber hull]

Yes, actually. I enjoy the fact that some traits actually necessitate new and unique playstyles that you don't otherwise undertake because they're not what the game would normally allow you

Before, I could eat my own kind or drink salt water, but all I would get is punishment. Now there's a reason to do it, and perhaps even a new lifestyle waiting for me if I commit. I think that's exceptionally interesting and broadens playstyles beyond what the base animal is designed to do

[leaden prism]

In my case, I'm attempting to gain a trait to make use of my fallen group if they die, it's a potentially useless slot if they survive as is. If they don't or I find a body around, neat, it's there. It's nit a need, you're right, but to even try it demands I take on so many negative effects that I'm encouraged to afk lol

[limber hull]

Well the alternative, and how it was prior, is you get the debuffs, without the mutation

So the fact that now you can even recieve a reward is a step up because there is actually a goal to it

[leaden prism]

Right, and I'm not saying all this as black and white either.

In fact I hope I'm not saying "this system is bad" to anyone here. My main gripe is that it's a tremendous amount of effort and time, that is easily removed because insert any random BS here. I think it could be lessened to some degree?

[limber hull]

But how? Death is death, it's a factory reset, that's how death fundamentally is in the game

[leaden prism]

Reinforced tendons in comparison is a good one. You jump X amount of times and unlock it? Neat, it's not paramount as a trait but it's prolly worth grabbing if you unlocked it without even actively trying to.

Salt water? Drink that gauge THREE TIMES OVER? Sure that's sone commitment but a normal player with no context into this game is going to see it drops your wager drinking it already and assume they even try to keep doing it to see.... 3 times over without vomiting and needing to drink normal water to balance it out is a LOT.

It doesn't feel natural when compared to 5 chamber lungs or tendons by example.

But let's throw in a variable with the same idea

Let's say I think there's a trait for eating a rotten body enough times.... I've eaten 10 over. No new mutation.. do I assume I haven't eaten enough, or that the trait doesn't exist? How much punishment is tolerable to the point that it's a waste of playing the game and testing a theory that never worked to begin with?

How long do I go "I just have to deal with vomiting for another 5 hours and it should work- oh a teno decided to kill me for lulz, I'll try again"

My point is, the hidden traits could be balanced to be obtained more naturally somehow than as a punishable achievement.

It's also 2 am so I'm too tired to yap anymore, g'night lol.

[barren crater]

Didn't dondi hint at this being the thing? #isle-discussion message or am i wrong?

[brisk moth]

I hope the suggestion about Galli getting bleed back makes it in.

Glass cannon is my favorite play type, maybe limit it to sub adult and up or something so you can't throw away babies to troll or something

[barren crater]

Genuinely don't know if it will be permanent if you fail elder though after stacking it to max

well tbf permanent means permanent so

[limber hull]

Issue with the bleed was that galli was already insanely overpowered, and still is without it lol

People underestimate how strong this thing is

[barren crater]

ah nvm read it

[barren crater]

Could scale the bleed. Around galli size and smaller? max possible bleed. 2x and larger? quarter of the amount or something idk

[brisk moth]

Lol how is it overpowered? You still get one tapped by an adult Cera, and can't really fight a carno either.

[brisk moth]

Right exactly, something like that, let it be a good small-mid fighter

[gentle flint]

Pretty sure you can out trot a cera’s sprint tho, especially with speed mutations

[barren crater]

yeah you go into a trot when you puke, which makes it near impossible for a cerato to get follow ups if you have a speed mutation

[brisk moth]

Oh for sure, and you should indeed have to run. I was just responding to the guy saying it's overpowered.

[limber hull]

it's exceptionally fast (sprinting/trotting or otherwise), has good damage, insanely good stamina, and scales EXCEPTIONALLY in groups. It's honestly the animal I have the easiest time killing ceras/carnos as

And when it had bleed god DAMN it could just melt them

[brisk moth]

If you are reliably clapping ceras without taking bites from that things insane turning for its size then hats off to you

[limber hull]

Then there's the damage resist mutation which makes it exceptional at surviving counterattacks, gastro was INSANE for allowing it to take free hits then reengage, and photosynthetic regen if you really wanna kick more

[limber hull]

In one night, I managed to kill, as a galli

• a carno
• 2 omnis
• a dilo
• a ceratosaurus
• a herrera
• several troodons

like goddamn it just kills so much so well

This is after the bleed was removed

[barren crater]

I mean yeah. Bleed isn't that important vs most of those creatures anyways tbf. You kill em via raw damage

the mutations is the thing that carries it. Gastro and reduce damage + speed mutation. ez

2 gallis with that and a carno is going to struggle / die

[limber hull]

Yea, the mutation issue needs to be addressed, genuinely don't know why they're only addressing underperforming mutations (I like the changes and think they're great but why not change the clear problem ones)

[barren crater]

sad tho

[limber hull]

it is. the mutation system is held back by a few select options

[tight iron]

they said they're probably gonna bring it back when they use a steam feature that lets you choose what you download

@boreal nymph if you let gallis casually get out of being pinned it's joever for the raptors

theyll just go in beat em up get pinned get out of it and continue, they won't care about it

now having said that gallis should be able to knock raptors down with kicks

[wooden agate]

Dilo is lines diet, so it is about lines diet.

and honestly most animals in the game can be killed by herrera pretty easily

[inland vigil]

#general-feedback message @still needle I'm like 95% sure this already happens?

Just run until you're low on stamina and you can typically hear yourself huffing and puffing

My 5% of uncertainty is idk if other players can hear it

[tight iron]

yus it does happen

[tight iron]

@spice orbit that idea was p much denied

ppl would intentionally trigger teh debuffs and then send their non-debuffed mixpacking friends to murder the debuffed ones

[topaz kestrel]

@royal grove @spice orbit Now imagine following scenario:
Theres a group of lets say tenos and pretty closeby in a bush are 2 ceratos ambushing on them and waiting for the right time to strike, should these ceratos now suffer the consequences of mixpacking just because they waited too long on the ambush? Also the tenos getting the debuff would now know that theres a carnivore nearby and ruin the ceratos ambush. Theres no way to prevent mixpacking with debuffs or whatever (I actually also made a suggestion like this a year or two ago) without punishing players who just conincidentally are near to each other.

Another scenario, theres a herra sitting on a tree in the migration zone, beneath him is a group of stegos just chilling. Now with the debuffs and stuff in place this herra and the stegos would get punished just for co-existing.

Dont get me wrong Im also against mixpacking but the only way to prevent that is by adding rules to the server. Oh and a simple solution is just joining Low Rules Community Servers. Not only do they have a higher player cap making the map actually feel alive they also have simple rules like no herbi aggression to other herbis, no mixpacking etc. basically the rule you have to follow is dont be an idiot.

[topaz kestrel]

Exactly, some people on officials will abuse every mechanic they can to kill and bully others.

[tight iron]

yus

[inland vigil]

The only way to actually deal with mixpacking is to add a rule against it or an entire stress system like BoB. And there's no way in hell the isle will willingly add rules to their official servers. Just play on unofficials

[topaz kestrel]

officials suck anyway at least from my experience, not only the community but the performance and player cap.

[limber hull]

@silent thunder megalania is planned so "after meteor animals" are on the table, and titanoboa recently got confirmed to be given at least an attempt

it's not confirmed to come to the game, but it has a better chance than things flat out not on the roster

[silent thunder]

THIS IS HUGE NEWS

[north quiver]

it wasn’t like that on Spiro

omni lost all stam and the galli could escape, but the galli was one or two normal bites away from death and would bleed out if it didn’t quickly sit

had both a chance to escape and a chance to die if cards weren’t played right (usually ended up in a galli bleeding to death)

if it was returned to that, it wouldn’t be joever for the omni because the galli would fall over dead if it tried anything other than running lol

one of the select few things I miss about Spiro

[tight iron]

it's not the same

it didn't have a get out of jail free card

you pin me down? watch this gets out of the pin like nothing and proceeds to beat the crap outta the raptors

[north quiver]

not entirely sure if the original post is suggesting a get out of free jail card because it’s not directly calling for one. just asking for the pin to be adjusted. just doesn’t go into detail about how it should be adjusted lol

[royal grove]

true, i forgot to write that, there should be a timer of like 10 or 12 minutes when the disadvantages start kicking in, and also a certain distance of like 10-15 meters

[mild isle]

@quartz prism
I’m a fair bit late lol but I disagree because of how some of the legacy mods affected the game. Creators made map mods that broke the chance of camouflaging by removing next to all of the foliage. As well as there were mods made that gave extremely unfair advantages, like making it where certain Dinosaurs glowed like the sun at night lol.. playing legacy became extremely hard without having the mods yourself because everyone used winter mod which was essentially Gamma but a lot better- Dilo became even worse than it already was due to no one being caught off guard by it.
If mods were allowed by the devs, I’d want some limits, I don’t want the mess legacy made lol

[vital apex]

are stegos just the G unit now? new ability is oneshotting me while im by their head

[silent thunder]

@spice orbit I like this idea to help keep mixpacking at bay but I would like to offer an idea;
A stacking hunger debuff based on how many different species are around (for an extended period of time, obviously a hunt shouldn't give this debuff)

Or something like the effects of eating your own kind when you're not a cannibal, like muscle spasms but you charge toward your nearest diet? (That would be hard to do proper)

I don't mind when a couple friends wanna play different Dino's and still hang out but when there's big groups going around kosing it gets to be a problem

[mild isle]

I don’t believe there’s a solution for mixpacking. It seems like one of those things that any solution would either change the game a lot (like how BoB handles mixpacking; would likely change The Isle a lot imo) or cause more harm than good- most suggestions to solve mixpacking have a bunch of other little issues that are gonna pop up and be evident

[cyan flame]

Depends on what you are?

[mild isle]

Small example.. for the debuff around different species, there could be the situation of a group nesting or chilling by a river that some deinos happen to be in and getting debuffs when they aren’t even aware of the crocs + just a bunch of other random scenarios that seem more painful than helpful- would hate just chilling and suddenly getting debuffs and oh look there was a raptor stalking me this entire time I had no idea about

[wooden agate]

there probably is a solution, but i dont think a stress mechanic or rules are the way to go for that

[topaz kestrel]

Would still cause problems, lets say group of tenos chill within 10m of a river and theres a croc sitting waiting for ene to come drink. After 10-12 minutes both would get a debuff. The teno now knows theres a carni nearby and since they cant see any they guess its a croc and move on to another water source.

And how "your mother is ill" mentioned before this could also be abused by lets say troodon sitting 10-12 minutes in a bush near to some herbis so they get the debuff, now the other friends of this troodon can go in and use the debuff to their advantage.

Also what if a fight takes longer than 10-12 minutes.

[limber hull]

also what if the mixpack just keeps a decent distance most of the time lol

[lavish current]

can i post here this thing? It happening right now on server eu 2 west

[topaz kestrel]

You should open a bug report, its unlikely it'll get noticed here

[valid delta]

Ptera could also be used in this way. To debuff an herbi by following g before a carnivore comes to kill them.

[topaz kestrel]

I think they should just open one server with rules per region. But I guess they dont want to put their time into moderating this server so community servers it is.

[golden horizon]

Happened to me, but it fixed itself after relog

[lavish current]

thanks, i m bad at english and i wanna try to do something before this rhink isnt grow up too much

[tight iron]

it says gallis should be able to break free

[lavish current]

its not working and another players see it too

[golden horizon]

Well it happened right before reset, so maybe the server has to restart

IF you play on eu servers, there is a restart in 1 hr

[topaz kestrel]

so sort of like a bucking? That would need to have way lower % chance then

[golden horizon]

IT will also open up discussion for other dinos being able to break free from pin down, why should it only be gallis that should be able to break free?

[tight iron]

bad idea overall

[golden horizon]

Since gallis are meant to be played in packs, its very easy to break free your pack mate if it gets pinned down. If you are solo galli, dont even go near raptors xD

[tight iron]

if you let someone pin you down it's on you/an awful overwhelming

cant just say "yknow what im comin out"

(becomes unfair for the raptors to counter p much the only reliable way to kill you)

[golden horizon]

I was galli and i got hunted by 3 dillos, do you know what I did? I ran away xD

[tight iron]

use your chicken legs yes

[golden horizon]

Until I met a dibble and them we killed them all together

[boreal briar]

@queen ember try drinking some Ipecac and running. Let me know if you can keep the same speed while emptying your guts

[north quiver]

but not when or how

all depends on what the guy was meaning. could’ve meant break free on a % chance, break free at the cost of stam, break free because the omni doesn’t have enough stam to pin a fg, full stam galli to an undisputed death, etc.

[golden horizon]

The stam thing is already in the game, if an omni doesnt have enough stam to kill, he will automatically let go. Omni will never catch up to a galli, so if galli gets pinned down, its because it was either standing still or wasnt watching the flanks

[valid delta]

It reads like the idea is galli should be able to hunt raptors without consequence.

[north quiver]

I was referring to the Spiro pinning where a full stam omni doesn’t have enough stam to kill a galli with one pin

[tight iron]

yes

[topaz kestrel]

Yeah I also dont think it should be done, just trying to understand how its meant.

Galli is so fast it can outrun anything so if you get pinned when youre standing still your fault for not being aware theres a raptor.

[tight iron]

exactly

other things i can understand the frustration like ceras

i have to say tho, fighting raptors as a cera cant be easier

1 tap them to the face, amazing agility, bleed resist, etc

[topaz kestrel]

Yeah the bile is ridiculous.
Otherwise its just the current apex predator on land so it'll always overpower others.
I think it should have less base resistance and gain more if near corpses by chuffing. That would put it more towards being a body bully and scavenger while weakening him in hunting.

[tight iron]

all these resists when not near a body gotta go imo

it's a frickin tank

[queen ember]

This isn't about realism, its about balancing a mechanic being used in a way its not supposed to be

[trim dirge]

what is this HT i keep reading about

[icy lion]

@pale hazel Check the pinned messages in the official server chats to see how to report hackers

[icy lion]

Hordetesting, it's a public test of upcoming content

[trim dirge]

Thanks

[wintry whale]

@silent thunder Megalania (another animal on the roster) only went extinct 40,000 years ago, I don’t think the time matters so much as the difficulties of making a well done realistic snake

[silent thunder]

Yeah I know snakes would be really hard to do, especially with how much it grows

I wasn't 100% sure what time periods were going to be used but I guess since (I assume) it's AU current year then any of the periods could be used

The mechanics I feel wouldn't be overly difficult, lmb bite and latch, rmb coil up, (around prey if latched, around itself/tree if not latched) it's animating it that would be the bottleneck :/ but it would function very closely to a gator, semi aquatic but more land based

[urban flax]

I would honestly hate it if titanoboa was added, just to be a deino clone in the end

Why would anyone go through the immense hassle of making such a thing just for it to be a worse version of something that's already in the game

[silent thunder]

It would be different enough

[urban flax]

Different stats don't make a playable unique

If it's an aquatic ambusher that kills prey by suffocating them, I really don't see the difference with deino
Apart that it's completely harmless outside of its constriction ability

[silent thunder]

It would be as aquatic as a herra, it would scale trees and fall/sneak up on prey from above, the gameplay would be far closer to herra than gator

[latent olive]

Nah, it’s been stated by punchpacket twice now I think, that titanoboa would constrict

[silent thunder]

Yeah that's what I said

[mild isle]

Uh I’m not sure I like the idea of a snake falling on people to hunt 😭 sounds weird

[wintry whale]

https://tenor.com/view/ragtime-snake-kmlkmljkl-snake-snake-falling-falling-gif-21497704

[silent thunder]

Y'all know that there are large snakes that hunt from tree down right

[wintry whale]

They primarily hunt flying things and sleeping mammals correct?

[latent olive]

that’s so me

[steep swallow]

Wouldn’t a big snake be an ambush predator with the advantage of something small like a troodon being able to almost disappear in grass?

[wintry whale]

Until it gets stomped to death, that sounds like something titanoboa could do

[silent thunder]

Pythons sit in trees and ambush from above, they usually wait until something is below them then slowly let they're head down till they're close enough to bite and coil

[latent olive]

realistically, titanoboa was just a big anaconda that spent most of its life in the water eating fish

however, this is a game, so the devs can make titanoboa however they want

[pale hazel]

oh ok thank you, i will report there next time 👍

[steep swallow]

Would titanoboa be able to climb trees?

[silent thunder]

I agree it's more anaconda and should be semi-aquatic but snakes are TYPICALLY ambush predators that wait for something to get close enough to easily catch, being cold blooded they don't like exerting too much energy unless necessary

[latent olive]

IRL?

probably not, due to how dense/heavy it was

anacondas now spend practically their whole lives in water because the weight isn’t affected by gravity that much

they can still climb trees and whatnot, but it’s taxing

[silent thunder]

When it's younger yeah maybe but finding a tree that could support it when it's larger would be difficult irl

[latent olive]

this is the most accurate size chart for titanoboa I have on hand right now

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1015656177931137075/unknown.png

[steep swallow]

So if the devs add it maybe limit climbing to juvenile stages and once it reaches sub adult it can only be on the land/ water? Idk.

[latent olive]

honestly, for the game, just go wild with it

[silent thunder]

I'd say stam use would go up by weight for climbing would be a good way to do it

[steep swallow]

That’s true, so long as it climbs slower than Hererra it shouldn’t be an issue

Maybe it can climb trees to kill young Hererras and Hypsis

[silent thunder]

100% it would be slower, I'm just in love with the idea of a big carnivore thinking it's alone eating and then the head of the titanoboa slowly coming into screen from above

Or a gator chilling in the water watching the land and wondering why it's o2 is draining only to see it coiled up

[steep swallow]

Something in the water that even a sub adult deino would fear (other than another deino) would be awesome

I really like snakes so right now the closest we have is Hererra and Troodon lol

[silent thunder]

That's what I'm talking about brother, spino is prolly coming before snake but still, adding another aquatic/semi aquatic might make gator players stop kosing so much on their own kind (prolly not but hope is there)

[peak light]

are fractures bugged rn? ive had mine for like 20 mins now

[silent thunder]

What species, diet, growth are you and have you been moving around a lot or resting the whole time

[peak light]

full grown deino with a good diet, heard it should have eeen like 10 mins but i could be wrong

[silent thunder]

Gator heals fractures so slow, if you don't have the diet bonus to fracture heal or the mut you're gonna need to rest for a minimum of like 10mins, if you're moving around any it's gonna delay it

[peak light]

gotcha

everything slow with deino i guess

[silent thunder]

I think I had a body fracture for 30-45 mins cause I moved around from time to time

[peak light]

wow thats wild

[silent thunder]

Fighting paccy or fall?

[peak light]

fall

[steep swallow]

Lmao fall damage is the worst for deino, if you have a bad spawn then good luck getting to a decent area traversing all the waterfalls

[quartz prism]

What ur describing are client sided mods vs mods a server would need to host.
What im trying to pitch more so are those server sided mods. Where players would join a server with the mods they want/know everyone else would be playing with.
Client sided mods like the increased gamma are more like how cheats work on the other hand (cheats is somthing the isle still has alot of issues with tho). So if servers wanted to ensure ppl dont use them they would have to moderate them similarly.

[pseudo slate]

does omni just die pouncing stego or what

im on his side and i just die

[silent thunder]

Gators take extra fall damage and more likely to fracture from falls :(

[quartz prism]

Im posting a clarity in #general-feedback about it too that hopefully helps explain

[cyan flame]

Not that I know off, did you get bucked and dropped off?

[icy lion]

@quartz prism Mod support is planned

[quartz prism]

Really? Where has that been said?

[icy lion]

In this discord

#isle-discussion message

#isle-discussion message

#isle-discussion message

[pseudo slate]

no i was on him and he swung his tail and i died

[tight iron]

happens often

[pseudo slate]

like wtf

[quartz prism]

Thats awesome. I hope they still plan on it (ik they said ')down the road') since those are over a year old now the mentions. And hopefully sooner rather than too much later because it will be very nice because it is loved to see added

[silent thunder]

Usually de sync/lag :/ happens often with pouncers

[fading pecan]

No it’s about the playables that Herrera players can kill lol. They cannot kill most animals with ease😂. Their main way of attacking is launching from a tree and only a few adult dinos can be killed by that pounce. Most Dino’s in the game can’t be harmed by Herrera when they are adult.

[wooden agate]

cant be harmed? you can bleed out a carno with one head pounce

you can bleed out a cerato with two good pounces

even dibbles get bled out by herrera

herrera has more than enough diet available to it, and adding dilo just adds another way for diet to become a non issue for herrera what so ever

plus... just eat the dilos organs?

[cyan flame]

@rotund lake There's been people asking for changes to most of the things you mentioned, so there's reason for the devs to do things. Besides, most of the mechanics and things aren't fully done, so it's not that strange that things change around, for good and ill.

[rotund lake]

oh yeah? so most ppl ask about one bite puke cera? i dont think so

[cyan flame]

No, but people did ask for changes to how it worked and for them to add scaling. That the values aren't where they should be does not change that there was a reason for the change. And it's gotten nerfed now on HT, not sure how well it works anymore but at least in theory it should be less powerful.

[leaden prism]

@agile fable how come?

[cyan flame]

@leaden prism Doesn't hallucinations teleport onto people for now to compensate for the whole terrain thing?

[leaden prism]

When was that announced?

Or does anyone have anything showcasing that? Genuinely curious.

[tall hearth]

BTW, I believe the devs already intend to fix venom by making aerial and aquatic hallucinations. They've said that they don't have to be dilos either.

[leaden prism]

I heard a tease about that idea but that was ages ago like a croc sneaking up from the water for a bite as an example.

[agile fable]

rock part is the only thing I dont like, you shouldnt be able to get ontop of a rock that requires a jump

would be cool if they added ptera to the venom and have it attack that way

[cyan flame]

I don't think it was ever announced, but I've seen vids at least a way back where it seemed like you could no longer hit the dilos before they hit you, which from what I've understood is supposedly your way to counter them. There was some announcement/note about fixing them so they would hit the target, can't recall exactly when, but I think that might have been it.

[leaden prism]

I mean hallucinations don't go away just because you're near an edge or rim of any kind, the height thing is just a complication of that since you're standing on a ledge in that sense.

[agile fable]

i dont want you, the dilo, getting on the rock onmi should be able to jump away from you

not from hallucinations

[leaden prism]

If anyone has a source on this, I'd love to see it

[tall hearth]

That was stated sometime this year I believe, or late last year. Lemme see if I can even find it.

[wooden agate]

i dont understand why people downvote the idea of fixing dilo so its mechanic isn't actually broken from a mechanic standpoint

[valid delta]

Just because we like crapping on the dilo. Scary monster.

[cyan flame]

"Force hallucination pawn to bite target if it gets too close." Is what I'm thinking off, they did do something that seemed, at least at the time to make it impossible to avoid being hit by a hallucination

@leaden prismSo not neccesarily that they teleport onto you perhaps, more so that you can seemingly not avoid taking the hit, for some reason.

[tall hearth]

Found it!

[leaden prism]

I mean yeah they should be able to get away from the dilo, but not the hallucinations lol

[leaden prism]

oooh ty!!!!

[leaden prism]

it sounds like they reverted it then? I remember hearing at one point the hallucinations could just be bitten whenever to remove them. I know originally it was impossible to avoid it outside of maybe dodging them.

[leaden prism]

god I hope we get more on that, that was 6 months ago and the trailer released for Dilo but it's like.... so half hearted looking now when you play it only to not realize your hallucinations barely can scrape anyone anymore

[cyan flame]

It was impossible at first I think, then they made it possible to hit them, since they spawned in, made noise, and you could run around to get them (if you were a fast playable at least, but I think you could hit them before they hit you as well if you timed it/had reach) and then it seems like they've changed that again so you will take a hit no matter what. I'm not entirely sure, but they did change things around again, as the patch note mentions so.

In any case, hallucinations should be reworked to be about tricking the target for more bites, rather than being shadow clones that do "ranged" damage, but oh well xD

[leaden prism]

I'll take that for now, I really miss playing my boy, idk what to play lately since everything that's a lil sneaky lad is under new development between Troodon and Dilo now lol, I've been playing Ptera waiting ;w;

and fr

[cyan flame]

Herrera, obviously! Good playable!

[valid delta]

Maybe the hallucinations should be just visual and the damage from venom should just be automatic?

[cyan flame]

I would have liked dilo more if the hallucinations were more about using them for getting your own hits, tricking the target (being able to see your own hallucinations so you can coordinate movement with them and so on), rather than current. But I get what the devs are going for, and for that to work, they need to do what they currently do.

[leaden prism]

I feel so bored with it because all it does is gatekeep food since it 1 shots and sits in trees all day to recover when it runs into any danger lol.

[cyan flame]

Fair I guess, it is a bit of a tree deino so it makes sense

Be a dryo instead then!

[leaden prism]

I agree with this, the concept is to make the hallucinations warrant being a threat and that needs some form of application, in this case.. damage but it USED to play that way when it first came out, until people realized they could just spam torture players after they reach purple lol

[leaden prism]

https://tenor.com/view/eww-god-no-nasty-gross-disgusting-gif-17172294

[cyan flame]

Oi! What do you have against dryos?!

[leaden prism]

They're too vanilla, I also am not huge on herbivores tbh lol

[cyan flame]

Well, it makes sense to do it that way. Why risk yourself if you can just sit outside of range and do unavoidable damage to the target until it dies

[leaden prism]

^

It's also technically their theming trying to avoid making just another dot damage dealer, so it's creative in that sense

I always felt like the hallucinations should render multiple dilos running and more sounds of dilos to hone in on the confusion factory. But maybe that'd be too buggy or cause crashes with having to render dilos constantly.

[icy lion]

@silk socket Every animal can make an immediate u-turn

[silent thunder]

What about for dilo venom, more fog, less hearing and adding more footstep/dilo calls? Hallucinations could be altered so it's not op but having air and water ones are kinda needed

[steep swallow]

If you find a few Dino’s walking around you can just sneakily follow them and then leap onto them later on, it’s risky though

I enjoy troodon/ Omni but whenever I find a pack people just end up dying one by one before we can actually attempt to take something big down.

[wooden agate]

i listen for calls and just follow

the trick to fun herrera is keep moving tbh

[steep swallow]

Yup, Omnis are probably the biggest thing you can take down so you normally have to go for lone Omnis or juvenile Ceras/ Carnos. The downside is Hererra is a surprisingly slow swimmer lol so if you try to escape into the water you’ll probably be chased down

Since Omnis and Troodons and I believe also Ceras and Carnos are faster swimmers

[wooden agate]

you can almost 1 shot dilos, and can bleed out ceras/carnos/dibbles pretty easily

[steep swallow]

Yeah true but sadly only Omnis are on your diet, and idk even if troodons are

[wooden agate]

organs

[steep swallow]

Good point

[leaden prism]

The problem is the end result is still just flopping on em, idk... I like dilo's stalking method involving day/might to hunt and being reliant on mental plays over "random 1 shot dino GO" lol

Omni's in a nice spot for me to finally enjoy lately though, doesn't feel super overpowered to me, Troodon's always my go to lately though for sure. I usually go solo because like you said... people be silly

I wish herbivores weren't so difficult to approach as most of the carnivores. Stego's tail one shots, teno's tail > kick combo as a one shot, dibble's knock down > one more ram hit is a one shot.. just feels like every herbivore is immediate death if you mess up even once, with carnivores they at least need to get bites in or coordinate as a group or work for the kill lol

[steep swallow]

Troodon is very fun and it’s great because you can be invisible in a field lol plus at night you can see perfectly fine. As for Omni my biggest complaint atm is 90% of my kills are juvenile Dino’s, due to the bucking rng omnis diet of stegos, tenos, dibbles, etc. seem like they’re off the menu.

When I’m playing Raptor I want to feel like a Raptor and pounce onto a bigger dinosaur with a pack of raptors by my side, not just prey on small animals

[leaden prism]

Troodon's crazy rn, though I hope they do away with the fog. I do kinda agree with that for omni, my main gripe was the pin mechanic feeling too cheesy even if it's warranted in most cases and it generally being one button, so I really like the option to decide on stacking bleed or raw damage too.

[leaden prism]

this

but our bigger dinos to do that with are... a lil broken?

I tried my hands to attack a juvi stego and my god it still one shot me.

I almost wonder if stego would benefit from making the tail have different points of hitboxes/contact rather than 1 solid death box on its tail

[cyan flame]

Can't you pin cera, carno, and teno pretty easily, so at least they should be doable to hunt

[leaden prism]

have some physics like Marth from Smash bros where the tip is the most damage lmao

[steep swallow]

lol, my first ever kill on Omni Raptor was a baby Stego and I honestly kinda felt bad for just pinning it and killing it with absolutely no counter play for the Stego

[leaden prism]

bby anything is always gonna be that tbh

[cyan flame]

Pachy, dryo, hypsi!

[leaden prism]

nobody plays hypsi, dryo is boring so also nobody plays it, and pachy is no longer the big bully it used to be with Dibble out now so gl finding them LMAO

[steep swallow]

If two raptors both pounce it, yeah. But most Ceras and tenos will just run next to a wall or big tree so only one raptor can pounce at a time, it’s not that big of a deal but my complaint comes from the RNG aspect of bucking. If I never get bucked off and kill the animal it’s not very fun, and if I get instantly bucked off and one shot then again it’s not very fun lol

[leaden prism]

^

[cyan flame]

Well, that's why you ambush them! They shouldn't even know you're there until you're all on the target! But yeah, the RNG is questionable at best, not sure how that's a good idea, or fun. Either you or your target get lucky, and neither of you did anything right or wrong.

[leaden prism]

Then there's the fun question of what to do when they're in a corner where you can't pounce them anymore and their face is facing you, pouncing just means it's denied or they swipe you off a tree and bite you anyways lol

[cyan flame]

That's when you pretend to back off and jump them when they leave, thinking it's safe!

Believe it or not, most people do not find camping a spot particularily engaging or fun, and will leave if they think they can get away with it

[leaden prism]

they rest tho and get up the moment you reapproach lol

[steep swallow]

It’s just a lot harder to ambush Dinos when you run in a pack of 3+ omnis, but I totally get your point that people should play more methodically and that’s another reason I don’t like the rng bucking, there is nothing methodical or tactical about random chance lol

[leaden prism]

That's odd because I'm almost always hiding in a bush or camping "territory" if it has food or water or something I need lol

[cyan flame]

You need to let them leave, not just approach while they're still there

[cyan flame]

Find better packmates xD

[leaden prism]

but am hongry now and I need them dead now ;w;

[cyan flame]

Which is, granted, a lot easier said than done in this game xD

[cyan flame]

Hunt in good time, don't wait until you need food desperately

[steep swallow]

30 minutes ago a random troodon pack mate jumped off a cliff that idk if even a Hererra can survive lmao

[cyan flame]

You should always have food available if you can, be it saved plants, or a body

You need to take into account a failed hunt, or being chased away from a plant and all that

So having time for another attempt tends to be a good idea

[cyan flame]

Sure, but roaming a little area, and being active, isn't the same as camping a specific spot due to being hunted, at least I don't think so

[leaden prism]

me reading this acknowledging I primarily and almost always only play carnivores

[leaden prism]

when you play dilo, everyone finds out quick that staying on a rock or away is the safer play since there's no way to be reached :'D

[cyan flame]

I once managed to hold out vs three carnos for like two entire ingame days back when they could bite the thagomizer for easy kills (and they did get me eventually when I had to leave to try and find more food), due to having deliberately saved the two plants near the shoreline just in case I would get "sieged". You need to think long term and more survival perhaps.

And if it hadn't been for the dumb AI dryos in the nearby field, I might have gotten away. But unfortunately they had easy access to food as well so they could outlast me xD

[leaden prism]

I think it's more like, I know I can get nutrients, sit in a bush until I'm fully grown and then I'm going "now what?" and looking for action LMAO

[cyan flame]

Use your funny NV to scope out the area and figure out the best place to engage so you can get them before they can get to safety

[leaden prism]

THERE'S DRYO AI?

[icy lion]

No

[cyan flame]

Fair, but then you can still plan for that action more and better!

[leaden prism]

I only remember we had teno AI at one point lol

[cyan flame]

No, but there used to be

[leaden prism]

oooh lol

[cyan flame]

Way back, old map, back when stego was pretty terrible and weight/health were off and so on xD

Point was just to show that you need to think a few more steps ahead at times

[steep swallow]

Just spawned in as a baby raptor and holy crap a killing a goat takes like all of my stamina lmao

[boreal briar]

Just to double check, were you left clicking for the damage instead of bleed?

I feel like AI got a bit too much blood in them. Like an overfilled balloon x)

[leaden prism]

now try killing one as a Troodon :'D

and fr, pterandon killing a turtle fresh takes 3 decades worth of pecks

and a cera gets outrun by a goat or deer running away, you have to pray they run into a wall lol

[fading pecan]

Lmaooo you obviously haven’t played a Herrera before😂. They cannot bleed out a FG Carno from one headshot. They especially can’t bleed out a dibble😂, dibbles have one of the best bleed resistance in the game. If any player is good they will just walk away from the trees the Herrera is on and they will be fine. Nah Dilo should be added to Herreras diet and according to my posts upvotes, a lot of people agree.

[wooden agate]

except they... literally can because of carnos bleed multiplier on walking/running/standing still

and Diablo doesnt have bleed resistence, like most animals in game lol

[fading pecan]

Bro u are tripping lmao. I guess we will see what the devs do. They don’t listen to us that often lol

[wooden agate]

I am literally objectively correct about the Diablo thing. Most things in this game DONT have bleed resistence. Deino/Cerato are the exceptions i know about, along with Beipi in the water.

and i have bled out several carnos with herrera. it is not hard lol.

[fading pecan]

From personal experience fighting dibbles, they heal bleed faster than most animals in the game. Congratulations, those players should have just left the area since you can only do damage from pouncing from trees lol.

[wooden agate]

just... keep them bleeding? its once again, not hard lol. you're both faster and have the advantage of being small. do this at night and the dibble's fate is in your hands lol

dibbles are a bigger challenge for herrera, sure. but definitely not impossible by any stretch of the word

[steep swallow]

I learned my mistake from last time and this time was left clicking for damage lol

[boreal briar]

@narrow nova the AI can detect your footsteps if you don't crouch or z walk.

[limber hull]

pachy was trash without dibble being present. Diablo only cemented how bad it is

[leaden prism]

Pachy before dibble was fine imo, the problem is it doesn't have as much solo potential as dibble because it's a medium boi and not a heavy lad

[limber hull]

it's been ass since Gateway launched has continued to be ass since

[leaden prism]

I don't agree with that.

[limber hull]

but yes it got worse with dibble for three reasons

1: dibble is better because it isn't restricted 500 times over from doing what its meant to
2: in the same update they added grappling
3: in the same update they added mutations

literally death march for pachy

[leaden prism]

I agree with that lol.

[limber hull]

who was already getting screwed by the existence of 1 or more raptors

pachy has needed buffs since gateway launched but instead just gets curbstomped into obscurity

it was already well behind the curve but the dibble update obliterated it

i see more dryos and hypsis than i do pachies nowadays

[leaden prism]

I don't lol, I see about as many hypsis and pachy's as I do dryo's

[limber hull]

pachy needs tons to be put back into place. It currently is destroyed by omnis and ceras, herreras can really mess it up, and dilos are menaces if played well

[brave gale]

@wet lava I think a suicide button would be great, although there'd have to be a few limits, e.g, can't leave a body behind to prevent people from just killing themselves and respawning for organs early on

[limber hull]

wouldnt that make it excellent for body denial?

[brave gale]

can't do it when people are nearby, like /unstuck

[silent thunder]

the final safe log they call it

[icy lion]

@vapid hamlet 18kmh is your sprint speed on land, the swim is faster

[silent thunder]

@vapid hamlet take the mutation hydronamic, its a must take

[vapid hamlet]

it still barely a difference the speed base need to be increased period 18.9 is to slow

an they need to buff hydro

[icy lion]

The swim is faster than that, 18.9 is your land speed

[vital apex]

why does the map have to be so damn big if everyone just gravitates to south anyways

[limber hull]

why do players only go south when they have a big map to explore?

[woeful zealot]

The map is not very intresting. The hotspots are ok. Why should anyone like to run 30 minutes in a Jungle without anythimg happens?

[limber hull]

idk, i find the hotspots generally take place on the map's least interesting areas

[minor field]

I find the map to be quite interesting personally, the hotspots could be fixed with a bit more attunement to migrations to essentially turn them into limited time hotspots.

Because hotspots are and always will be a part of this game and the best solution to it is to make them more dynamic and interesting and less static like they have been.

[woeful zealot]

Yes, but rivers are always the middle of animal life, so better river placing would be necessary and then a moving migration would be great, but this is a huge thing, to big for that game.

[minor field]

ehh? maybe? I think a good river placement that actually used to be in was in the highlands ravine and along with every other cool thing in that area it could help maybe. Im not sure.

[limber hull]

but there are ponds, lakes and so on placed all over?

[minor field]

yeah like water is quite abundant on the map, not to mention salt water mutations or just reabsorption atm which kinda solves the issue of water all together. water placement has become less and less important now with its abundance and with new mutations.

[woeful zealot]

Ok, so everything is great. Game finished.

[limber hull]

That's absolutely not what was said

[minor field]

me when I purposefully misinterpret what people say

[woeful zealot]

What ever someone write, another one write the opposite. That's why developers have an impossible job.

[tight iron]

@rapid viper they are able to

[tight iron]

they don't listen

[rapid viper]

Not in the server im playing in

[tight iron]

they do whatever they want

[tight iron]

uh yes all admins and owners are able to

[limber hull]

that's just objectively untrue lol

[rapid viper]

Oh wait nvm

[limber hull]

i have been DIRECTLY responsible for changes to this game before due to conversations with devs

[tight iron]

well if you checked the context you'd know that i mean they don't listen in the sense of they must do what the community wants

[woeful zealot]

I read some posts here. 100 people write Cera is to weak. 100 people write its OP. 100 love the map and same number hate it. And so on. It's funny to see that and sometimes to trigger 😋

[tight iron]

are you sure that's accurate tho

ppl saying cera is too weak is rare, ppl saying it's op... tons

[limber hull]

im pretty sure its pretty much agreed upon universally beyond a small minority that cera is busted

[tight iron]

they werent wrong tho

[tight iron]

yus

[limber hull]

also i see a LOT more people prefer Gateway, and a small fraction prefer Spiro

[minor field]

I mean the reception on the map seems mostly positive though Im not sure. The cera thing is pretty much blatantly false. Everyone agrees that thing is the absolute cancer of the game atm.

[tight iron]

uh quite the opposite

[limber hull]

brother idk what to tell you

[tight iron]

from what ive seen in game and in other discords, an insane amount seriously dislikes gateway

and well the steam reviews

[minor field]

I think the gateway thing is a lot more mixed than leaning one way or another.

[limber hull]

the steam reviews don't mention spiro what are you on lol

[lucid mauve]

Depends on where you see it, you mean here ? 100 upvotes is alot in discord. Its a very small fracture of the playerbase overall.

[tight iron]

they do

if you read them you'd see it

[lucid mauve]

Its also the same people voting everytime,including myself.

[tight iron]

also that

[limber hull]

i think there's a very vocal group of people who really like spiro for some reason, but most people see spiro for what it is (a map made by someone who admits he cant do level design in only a few days for the sole purpose of having a way for deinosuchus to be playable)

[tight iron]

most of them are banned tho, not sure how they'd be vocal about it

besides steam reviews and other platforms tho

[limber hull]

generally the people who end up banned are the people who just kinda hate everything the devs stand for in my experience lol

[lucid mauve]

Because people reapeat eachother in feedback channel, and same people upvote or down dont mean the overall playerbase wants it or that is any good

[tight iron]

i understand that, however most of them were banned for aboslutely bogus reasons (at least the people ive gotten to know)

[north quiver]

I hated the waterways of Spiro so much because they catered to deino way too much lol

[tight iron]

or were banned right after joining (miliseconds)

[woeful zealot]

Basic of Diskussion should be, that game is under construction and not finished. I knew at buying, so its ok for me to have unfinished game yet.

[limber hull]

people who like spiro tend to be people who just have an insane nostalgia for it, and fail to acknowledge the flaws. It is an OBJECTIVELY bad map, to the point that its own creator and the entire dev team cannot salvage it

Take it from someone who has worked in game development, it fundamentally fails several rules of level design catastrophically

[tight iron]

they'd rather have really open spaces than closed