general-feedback-discussion

[cyan flame]

Huh, yeah that's rough, did you run around a lot?

[cold minnow]

I run up to a bush

Not that far

[cyan flame]

Cause I'm thinking the issue here is downsized carno + old multipliers, which would make for a terrible time for carno. Don't know if they changed those with the size change or not

[warm blaze]

I agree with you the thing has a smaller claw than the omni but it bleeds more

[cyan flame]

If they didn't, then it's little surprise it went like that even if you only ran for a little, herrera does do a lot of bleed due to being an ambusher, but that amount you lost is likely due to both parts

[warm jungle]

I would probably bleed alot too if something 1/3 my body weight with sharp claws fell on top of me.

[cold minnow]

Herra is 1/7 of carno

[lilac bolt]

@tropic glen they don't need to outright ditch random spawns just need to add a system that allows you to join with friends

[narrow nova]

@cold minnow #general-feedback messageIt's carno's problem,down size also reduce carno blood pool,and carno bleed resistance didn't change.

[prime thorn]

the original spawns was fine other then the 10 min wait time

If the dont ditch the random spawns and let friends make a group key or something before hand then yeah

we ahve spent the past like hour and a half just trying to find each other but keep getting spawned across the maps.

like eggs but for groups

[lilac bolt]

yeah hopefully

[prime thorn]

or even a map system

having to tab out to figure out where i am just to get to them, its just upsetting.

[lilac bolt]

i wouldn't wanna a map system personally but i can see why others would but the game needs something to allow people to join with friends since right now its very unfriendly towards that with random spawns.

[prime thorn]

and theres no food. ive ran from swamp to southplains and saw nothing

[lilac bolt]

thats weird i find tons most of the time?

probably some issue with ai spawns sometimes

[prime thorn]

the other updates are amazing but yeah this random spawn has really sucked the joy

[lilac bolt]

might be good to take a break from the isle till they hopefully do add something so that you can join your friends easier

[frank tapir]

I feel like a lot of the times people complain about hitboxes it's just latency

[lyric cosmos]

Yes

[cyan flame]

@low dock If you do that, you'll just turn carno back into a bad small game hunter? Bad agility/accel makes it hard to hit smaller stuff, while not making as much of a difference vs larger ones. And if you lower damage, plus current low damage charge, then it'd struggle with even killing small stuff?

[low dock]

I disagree, carno is supposed to be king of the plains no? It doesn't need agility or acceleration, it should just need a clear line of sight to a smaller target, lets take something like austro for example, if that's in the plains, the carno should have no problem running it down, it may take a few tries but it should be able to land a charge, and then a follow up bite if youre quick, killing it

Plus it should have a hard time regardless, its size makes it invincible to its preffered prey so it shouldnt be an automatic death sentence, should still take skill

[cyan flame]

But if you don't have agility or even accel, how are you going to catch the small, but fast and agile critters, even if you see them? Austro is a semi-aquatic, why would it be in the middle of the plains? Omni, dryo, galli, dilo, troodon, pachy would be better examples, and most of those are fast and/or agile.

And no, size does not make for invincibility at all, there's far more to it. Omnis can fight back, even pachy can. Troodons can, surprisingly well. Even galli could until they recently nerfed it. Dryo and herrera would be the only ones that would not really fight (though a herrera dropping on a carno is going to hurt the carno).

[low dock]

Your speed, run it down, if it's evading you, do better, it shouldn't be easy to murder smaller things regardless, their advantage is agility after all, ideally you blindside, besides carno has a smaller stomach, doesn't need to kill large things for sustinance

Also with the size, yes invincibilty is an exageration, point is it's a big advantage over it's smaller counterparts

[zenith hazel]

Speed dosent matter if the A + D keys completely counter you

[cyan flame]

You literally said carno should have garbage agility, that does not sound like you'd catch much, considering we've seen how badly carno has done in hunting small game throughout various iterations. And you're in the open plains, they'll see you if you see them. Sure, they can have the advantage, fair, they should be able to juke you, but it should be very difficult for them, if carno is meant to be the terror of the plains and open ground.

[cyan flame]

Not neccesarily when omni has grapple, dilo venom if it works is what it is, troodons have venom, pachy has fracture, and so on.

Not sure I see why they'd go back to an interation of carno that has been tried, and didnt do very well

[low dock]

I'd argue that if youre that small, then carno needs one hit to land and youre basically done for if youre something small, so you may need to juke it many many times, but it only needs one hit, and it wins, I'd say if i was a carno, maybe 1/3 of the hunts should be successful, it's also a skill issue as well, gotta know where to come from, how to setup trap tactics if youre in a pack, shouldn't just be a, I see something now its dead moment

[cyan flame]

It'd need more hits, unless you up charge damage again, which I doubt would be a good idea. And sure, the 1/3 should apply to all carnivores really.

The issue is more so that if you want something to be good at hunting things that rely on agility and speed, you kind of need to either match that, or go full ambush instead

And carno isn't really meant for ambush, and generally hasn't worked well as one

[limber hull]

Why is the juice loose in every channel

[vale pawn]

Hes loose

[prime thorn]

Chat system doesnt despawn

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[woeful latch]

@mental pulsar

[cyan flame]

@raven violet Does holding down charge somehow make you immune to pounce, or what do you mean when you say carno can't be pounced even while trotting or standing still? Can you even be in charge "mode" while not running? I've not tested out new patch, so some clarification would be appreciated.

[urban flax]

@limber hull You were right
Dibble got stegoified
Herbivores do be balanced with clunkiness

[rough wind]

#general-feedback message you can still do those

[limber hull]

Every single goddamn one

They never believed me

Cerato out here being one of the easiest and most fluid animals to control, on top of the most powerful

[desert arch]

God I hope cera received some kind of shadow nerf

[urban flax]

I'm bamboozled
They didn't change anything in dibble's stats
They just made it insufferable to play

[desert arch]

I dont want to deal with ceratorex2.0 for months😭

[limber hull]

Oh what fool ye be

Cerato recieved only buffs this time round, despite being undoubtedly the strongest carnivore in the game

Instapuke diablo? You bet it can!

[desert arch]

Gotta love cera being literally untouchable by anything smaller than it, all while its the best big game hunter 🙂

[raven violet]

Yes to all of the above

it's ridiculous.

[limber hull]

It's funny that its skill ceiling and floor are also EXCEPTIONALLY low, so it's insanely free value

Cerato is easy, powerful and adapted for all situations

Carno got a rework, cera got another buff lol

[urban flax]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1187576325574238238/text.gif?ex=659763a4&is=6584eea4&hm=8a6361e7f4e655e2d488233cd94b1dada6b45dcfa099a42396d0d92d4a5c0e7d&

[limber hull]

Oh don't worry, they made cerato a better dibble hunter tho :)

So that damn dibble scourge will be dealt with by the literal rex standin

Ceratorex meta really being concreted down lmao

[urban flax]

A long time ago, there were talks of cerato being an underdog
No this feels like a wishful dream

[unique mirage]

"But cera was to supposed to match carno"

There we go xd

[urban flax]

Now when is carno going to match cera ?

[unique mirage]

In our memories

[hidden mist]

@rough hemlock I think it’s not a Deino’s problem, but Omni’s raw damage on pounce. I wonder if this thing is HP%-based, or just has a “lil” too much digits, guh.

[limber hull]

when they realise what a monster they've created and are forced to killswitch cera

[rough hemlock]

Hmm, I also had a similar problem though when fighting a cera as about a 35% grown deino. It killed me much quicker than I was expecting because I thought I had more health at my size which was bigger than the Omni in the video, however it might be a mix of both problems

[urban flax]

Oh yeah, the same way they ruined omni and made it useless afte rthey realized it was too damn OP

[limber hull]

still don't think omni was "made useless", but yes, I think we're finally at critical mass for cera's balance

[urban flax]

I don't think omni was ever useless either, that's my point

#general-feedback message That is a beautiful skill issue

[hidden mist]

Hmm, however I see that you were 435 kgs in that video, and yet would be bigger than even an adult Omni it seems… Yep scaling might be weird too lol, I take my words back.

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message Ah yes the Dibble is very agile

[limber hull]

Carnivore balance scales tend to be reaching critical mass, then getting bulldozed into obscurity

Herbivore balance is getting micronerfed repeatedly in such a way that just makes them suck to play more than anything, then subsequently forgotten for 5 whole updates while they rot

[marble quail]

Yeah because idiots don't like that they are bad at playing a predator and they get stopped by a good herbi player thus the herbis are overpowered

[limber hull]

The only exception to this rule I found was carno, who actually got the herbi treatment

But it got a rework, unlike pachy, who is still rotting

[lilac bolt]

maybe one day pachy will be fun again

[cyan flame]

I see, that seems like one or multiple bugs then, unless I've missed something, so should probably report it there.

[marble quail]

I genuinely despise Carni players who act like there tiny little creature claws should be able to take on a giant Jurassic bull with horns that are half the length of a human

[limber hull]

I just realised. That's update omni

He didn't bite attack, claw attack or change where he was positioned. He just stayed there and died

[limber hull]

How can I have fun on carnivore if herbivores can survive me

It's so bizarre how carnivore players are so ACTIVELY against their food being a challenge, but also REFUSE to scavenge or just play a herbivore

[marble quail]

Yeah exactly actual herbivore dino level brain sizes over here

[limber hull]

Because scavenging is below them, and herbivore bad

Like my primary thing I like about carnivore is the food is a challenge

And hunts are a cool challenge

[marble quail]

Yeah actually "I literally stood there and let it kill me why did I die I should one shot it because it's a herbi"

[limber hull]

Bro used NONE of the mechanics then blamed the dibble

[lilac bolt]

doesn't help that 80% of the players act like the game is a deathmatch instead of a survival game

[marble quail]

Exactly

[limber hull]

I love the new spawn system because it so evidently hurts the deathmatch

People are actually going to new places because they can't rely on south plains to create food trains

[marble quail]

I kinda agree with hitbox stuff but it's usually just ping

[lilac bolt]

yeah

just need to get some better faster sever eventually though

[marble quail]

I could probably kill a full grown dibble as a full grown galli if I locked in

[limber hull]

New lack of bleed will make it tougher lol

[marble quail]

Oh they nerfed it's bleed

[lilac bolt]

galli doesn't really need it tbh its already the fastest dino in the game

[vale pawn]

Worse than nerfed, erased

[marble quail]

The bleed was it's main form of attack

[limber hull]

Yea well it don't have bleed anymore

[lilac bolt]

for now yeah

i would be fine with it having a small amount of bleed but the amount it had before was too much

[limber hull]

Still love how I might be indirectly responsible for the galli getting its bleed removed when Dondi originally planned to buff it lol

[vale pawn]

You broke the cannon

[lilac bolt]

if it was buffed everything would die lol

[limber hull]

Yea lol

[marble quail]

That's just annoying

[lilac bolt]

what is?

[marble quail]

Does at least do like good facture damage

That would be the perfect replacement

Everything else has bleed but it can't have it because it's fast, Carno is fast but it's still strong

[limber hull]

Nothing does blunt damage but pachy

[lilac bolt]

could just make it have a higher base damage if it doesn't have bleed

[urban flax]

If we had tiered fractures like we were once promised everything could have some amount of blunt damage and it would be fine

[marble quail]

Dat stupid

[arctic imp]

#general-feedback message

Bruh the problem is he is saying 10+ raptors. It'd be ridiculously stupid if that raptor didn't do that much damage after a pounce like that.

[urban flax]

Raptor now needs to press a button in order to do damage after a pounce

[arctic imp]

This information is telling me what specifically? That he didn't even do damage in that period of time on the diablo? In that case the diablo is busted

I don't even play raptor, but seeing a video of a dinosaur that isn't vastly different in size to another 10+ dinosaurs and still getting absolutely destroyed made me question the sanity of the devs.

[limber hull]

no he literally didn't press the button needed to do high damage

[urban flax]

He didn't even do damage because he didn't attack

[limber hull]

like it isn't a matter of "diablo is busted" but rather "this dude does not know how to play raptor"

[urban flax]

Also we don't have the issue of the fight here, all we see is a raptor doing a terrible misplay on a diablo and getting rightfully punished for it

[limber hull]

the raptor had options

• bite
• claw
• change latch point
• dismount

it chose to do none and die. Not diablo's fault

you have so much flexibility while pouncing now

[urban flax]

Not that the raptor dealing damage would have changed anything tbh
If raptor damage was enough to kill a diablo in that amount of time, there would be a serious balance problem going on

[limber hull]

true but it could've

[frank tapir]

@limber hull you think new carno is too strong?

[limber hull]

no

[frank tapir]

why'd you vote no on this? #general-feedback message

[limber hull]

because i dont think its too weak either

it's not black and white

[frank tapir]

I think they meant no one is saying it's balanced

@paper galleon what'd you mean

[livid blade]

why did the respawn pouints got removed? 😑

[limber hull]

helps crack down on hotspots

[livid blade]

yeah and drops you in some random part of a huge island with nobody around...SUCH GREAT FUN !

[limber hull]

i've been having tons of fun with it, personally

i've been able to explore around the whole island rather than just sit in one hotspot

[twilit spade]

Does anyone else stream the Isle? Maybe can help me with Obs Not wanting to capture Evermia?

[livid blade]

well, good for you but some of us look for interaction with other players rather than trees and bushes and nice mountains...

[frank tapir]

I still saw heaps of players in the ht

[limber hull]

i've managed to gets tons of player interactions all over the island

[livid blade]

I cant stop seein so many stupid changes from devs from time to time...they will never fix the damn game.

[frank tapir]

what do you think is wrong with it?

[livid blade]

with this late new change of "no respawn selection" now i have toi kill myself like 10 times untill i sspawn in a spot i want or where i talked to meet with friends... GG

Waste of time

[limber hull]

The point is for you to not get what you want and have to survive based on what you get. Nesting is a great way to form a group with friends wherever you want

[livid blade]

psssss its a dammn video game , FFS...

[limber hull]

it sure is

[livid blade]

If you wanna make it realistic, then make it you have to spend 10 years from juvie to subadult stage... why not?

[limber hull]

i never said i wanted it realistic

[potent wedge]

Does anyone else has the problem that the game keeps crashing?? I've been trying to play, but since the server restart it keeps crashing every 5 minutes

[frank tapir]

I mean animals don't appear in random places

[urban flax]

I want a realistic game
Remove dinos

[livid blade]

Idk, people like hotspots because tehy re FUN ! you meet with other people for friendly or non friendly purposes....

whats wrong with it

[urban flax]

People like hotspots because they want to play deathmatch and not survival

[limber hull]

literally leaves the entire map dead, which is the entire opposite of the point of it being there, and enforces deathmatch PvP over survival

[urban flax]

The game is not designed for having everyone huddled in one specific area all the time

[livid blade]

no, not really. i see many friendly gorups in hotspots...100 times better than go alone in a huge island where u meet with 1 guy every 2 hours...

[limber hull]

player encounters aren't supposed to be the expectation

[livid blade]

sorry but im not agree at all

[limber hull]

it's not a PvP deathbowl, you're supposed to hunt/stalk/locate prey

[livid blade]

"why u go always eat the same places u like to eat (restaurants, etc) ? you re supposed to go all places instead"

[limber hull]

what?

[livid blade]

nvmç

im kinda done with these stuopid game , F IT !

[still adder]

I mean with the new random spawns there's actually more player interactions as everyone is spread through the map rather then 4 dilos and 5 carnos charging at you in south plans as soon as you enter you're more likely to see people around the map rather than in one area and you'll actually stand a chance or have more focused interactions rather than dinosaurs running rampant if that makes sense.

[livid blade]

Have fun "exploring" the map...

[limber hull]

I do

I have been avoiding hotspots for literal years because of how much fun I have with it

[lilac bolt]

Yeah some parts of the map are actually really pretty to look at.

[limber hull]

Isle players when they're forced to actually play the game as it was intended

[still adder]

that is the reason the maps that big and we have mg zones... I get your point you want player interactions but with 100-150 players in the server the idea you're seeing 1 person every 2 hours is js an unnecessary exaggeration

[lilac bolt]

Yeah even if was unlucky me a dibble friend, and a stego got ambushed by some ceras was some of the most fun I've had tbh even if I did die

random spawns having people spread out has added some fun and the most engaging times I've had so far

But I do understand the frustration with trying to play with friends though

[limber hull]

that's the one thing i agree with

[paper galleon]

I mean that the carno needs to eat a lot to survive, just like the cera, only that the cera can eat everything and the carno will have to eat what it kills, something that now is very complicated, now 2 utahs kill him too easy, if they double pounce him at the same time he is dead because he falls to the ground, to kill a utah is very difficult because of the spin, it is very easy to dodge it if you know how to play, if before the carno was complicated to kill a carno if the carno knew how to play, now it is impossible, basically now the carno will not be able to hunt anything ‘big’ and fill the stomach, it can only kill small dinos that are alone, like utahs and dilos (and these are usually in packs) and even then it would cost a lot, the moment an utah pounces on you if you keep making charges you will bleed to death, the charge itself doesn't work in the game, I'm glad they have made changes but it needs to do more damage or do like the stego, that instead of taking into account where they have hit first to do damage, they take into account the entire route from hitting until it crosses the entire body, so it would do more damage and would be viable. If before the cera was basically the only one who could kill tenos and dibbles with relative ease (the carno needed to be 2 or more) now is basically impossible, because they are forced to play in packs as if they were utahs, and you can only be 3 in a group, unless they increase the max group of the carnos, because even the cera has 4 max.
I see the carno as a utah but bigger, that needs a lot to be in a pack to be able to give the charges easily.

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message Carnis do that to and that's just silly

[paper galleon]

also everyone is asking for it to be nerfed again, if they do that basically no one will play with the carno because it will be useless, I don't care if they add 3 or 4 seconds of cooldown, but I don't want it to be useless when pvping with the load, because carnos are supposed to be made to play alone too

[arctic imp]

Oh thats why lol

[cyan flame]

It's a little messy to understand, but if you're trying to say that carno can't hunt teno and dibble, unless in a pack, that's fine. Carno is meant to hunt small game, not things it's own size or larger. If it's a matter of food issue, then hopefully they can make it so carno can fill up from the small game and won't need larger kills. And yes, omni grapple is what it is, but at least as carno you can run away from the omnis, and not engage them unless it's on your terms.

[paper galleon]

what i mean is that the carno needs a lot of food, anyone who has played with it enough will know that it has to be constantly looking for food, knowing that it can't kill tenos and dibbles (it wasn't a complaint, but it's for you to see the comparison with the ceras) the only options are utahs and dilos, knowing that these attack in packs is complicated to get out alive, knowing that the bleed drops very fast with the carno is even more complicated, now to attack you almost certainly need to make charges, if you have bleed it will drop so fast that you won't be able to continue making charges or flee, making it even more difficult to get some food. while the cera can kill tenos and dibbles, it has an easier time getting food as it can eat absolutely everything, it can take on utahs and dilos more easily, it doesn't spend stam to attack with a charged bite, it fills up more easily with food even if it's small, the ia is useful to get some food (which the carno doesn't, because it only lasts one bite) and in general a cera is much easier to survive and hunt something alone than a carno, not only because of the difficulty when hunting something but also when eating because it will be much less full, added to this the cera is easier to grow because it can eat everything, while the carno juvi (I would say that in almost all its growth) is very complicated to hunt something that is not ia, besides that now it is vulnerable to be killed by any utah or dilo because now it is much slower than them

[limber hull]

cerato requires more food than carno now

[cyan flame]

Yeah, that's fair, but that could hopefully be solved in some manner, like smaller stomach for the carno or something. And yes, carno might need some help on the whole bleeding out thing, now that it's downsized, unless they did change things.

[paper galleon]

Well, that's a positive change, but it's not the only problem

[paper galleon]

yeah

[latent olive]

@still adder actually, amarok (the australian dev) popped into the chat like 6 hours ago and posted a pic of a second AU server next to the first one

#isle-discussion message

[still adder]

This is a dream come true

[latent olive]

https://imgur.com/gallery/7HH4XWT

[cloud mango]

I have a question for the brilliant brain who had the idea to make random spawns again (just like legacy) the thing is how can i find my friend and play together if we don't even have the "legacy" option to invite a player from anywhere

[still adder]

Yeah I think if they kept random spawns but with an ability to "group up" maybe on the spawn menu you can inv someone and in the top corner it shows who you're grouped with that way you spawn in the same random zone maybe not next to eachother but the same area that way it can't be abused, I feel like it'd be a big fix and make random spawns work way better for friends

[cloud mango]

idk mate

it's too stupid in my opinion

[dry falcon]

that run is so goofy i love it

[cyan flame]

@primal valley Why do you think so?

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message @full patrol >pounces diablo >actively watches diablo run towards something to knock omni off >surprised when omni knocked off

as for the hitbox issues, considering youre ping its probably latency

[hoary drift]

@warm blaze that video of yours makes my blood boil that the hitboxes are STILL that bad after this much time. might as well go back to tailbiting in legeacy with this. I rarely fight carnos EVER because of this bs alone.

[floral quest]

#general-feedback message y’all are hateful smh💀 there’s only been downsides to this update bc it wasn’t ready to come out live

[tight iron]

not a single update has been ready to come out to live branch

[hoary drift]

https://tenor.com/view/gods-honest-truth-red-ellis-boyd-redding-morgan-freeman-the-shawshank-redemption-gif-23667353

[floral quest]

thats also why i made the feedback

[tight iron]

yes

[floral quest]

because it’s barely ever ready.

[hoary drift]

nothing like half cooked chicken lol

[floral quest]

it’s like they just want to get it over with and then move on to the next thing, despite their last thing being unfinished

[wooden agate]

id take this patch over the previous patch any day

[tight iron]

half cooked with 100% food poisoning chance

[floral quest]

just makes things worse and doubles the issue

do they take constructvie criticism?😂😂

[hoary drift]

also this

[limber hull]

IDK, besides the migration thing, cerato being the way it is and how ridiculously bright nights are, I think it's fine

And the only IMMEDIATELY pressing issue of those three is the migration thing

[hoary drift]

I do hate how bright night is now. I didnt want my hand held to kill things. now anyone can be seen.

[tight iron]

in order for it to be fine, there should be little to no issues

cera thing for example... eh, not a big deal

migration thing is a big deal

[floral quest]

so they did make night brighter, noticed something funky about it

[floral quest]

haven’t seen much about it, whats the issue on it?

[tight iron]

migration zones and patrol zones troll each other

sometimes migration zones straight up disappear

no food for you

[wooden agate]

bye bye mz

[floral quest]

omg it happens to more ppl i thought i was going crazy or sum

[tight iron]

e

[floral quest]

because why was it there for ONE SECOND

[tight iron]

💀

[floral quest]

but for how long is mz supposed to be there? sometimes houuuurs go by or just minutes

then after, poof, gone
is it supposed to be gone for long?😂😂 or should it switch immediately after the previous mz is done?

[hoary drift]

something that was a complete issue in HT made its way into live, no kidding..😒

[floral quest]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaa-gif-24974026

why they do that, and why do we have to deal with it and be bugged by it💀 uughhh

hate when stuff like this is done so inproperly

i think we need some new hires here beeecause atp it’s just mean to us, the players, to struggle with their mistakes

[hoary drift]

they'll say it's only a small team. which it is, but it should've just been worked on more. try not to take it too personally

another note, I LOVE accidentally messing up my feedback post, deleting it to make a new one and I have to wait 5 hours. yeah great.

[floral quest]

love when important features don’t work, when they’re supposed to lol
i see sooo many people on dc and in game who are always struggling with something because an update made something worse, or bad, bugged, not working etc
there’s always something, because there was never a real fix for the issue in the first place. just placing new issues on top of the other
i know this game is unfinished but come on.. some things shouldn’t happen anyways

[floral quest]

aaah dang

[floral quest]

i mean.. why make such a huge game if your team isn’t built/made for it
if they had more on their team, they’d absolutely be doing super well and things would improve greatly, compared to now

[hidden mist]

1. I also tank fps more often than ever in this patch. Every single forest is bye bye frames. 2. Food stuck bug now prevents me from eating or other actions sometimes, yet before it could disappear after some time. 3. NV epilepsy thing is still here (where it brightens TOO much while looking down). 4. Migrations are a joke. 5. Carno's ram hitbox is really extended (I played on a server with almost no latency, that poor Dilo was getting it really hard 1 meter away from the tail). 6. Cera is overpowered with its new "scaling". 7. Diablo and Stego are still the kings of clunkyness. 8. Pachy is crying in a corner. 9. Beipi and Galli have received some... not good things kinda unfairly (they could just lower Galli's bleed, but not completely darn remove it). 10. Corpses still turn into a ball and fly into the sky (lol). 11. Half of the game settings still aren't working correctly. 12. Hypsi for some reason doesn't regain stamina after a jump anymore (not sure, but that what I saw when played last time on Horde). 13. Troodon got a boring placeholder in the kit. 14. Random spawns aren't really random (it still chooses between spawn locations species had before), that doesn't really help with player distribution this way. 15. Diet lists... Oof. 16. Sometimes players in my group appear with my nickname lol. Sometimes dead players from my group left just a square with no nametag, it doesn't disappear. 17. Carno was downsized yet can't really feed off small ones, nor it grows less time.

That's what I can say about the update. Yes, I like Carno's changes, pounce additions and new systems... But... They're too flawed to be live.

[floral quest]

exactly, have no idea why ppl downvoted my feedback at least, when there are so many issues
so many are getting downvoted despite the majority expressing how f’ed this update was

they love being delusional

[hidden mist]

I can understand them, I mean we got new content that's kinda interesting. But it could stay in testing for longer, really.

[floral quest]

aaaabsolutely, they rush it and they stress too much, maybe they worry we are too impatient?

still not an excuse, they put a lot of the pressure on themselves.

[hoary drift]

the same reason Icarus flew too close to the sun. See how far you can push it. they have gotten more people, but to say its shown any real impact, besides content added, would be heavily false. the game is just as much of a mess before update 6

[floral quest]

this game might become more and more unenjoyable if they keep ignoring us and constructvie criticism. if they only can see it from THEIR OWN POV, there’ll be worse issues.

[floral quest]

how much of a mess its now compared to then was not my point, at all.

[hoary drift]

okay then lol

[floral quest]

i’m saying, this’ll only get worse
please don’t defend this as people have made several valid points on why these updates and such are a problem.

soo many people have expressed themselves several times, and they just dgaf bc apparently our opinions don’t matter

[hoary drift]

join the club. you arent the only one whos been posting stuff like this, for years. It's not going to change anytime soon.

maybe play something else if it gets you this heated, just saying. a break from the isle is always a good thing. I take months off from this. its stil learly access don't forget.

[floral quest]

and thats the problem omg lol it’s like talking to a wall
i’m getting out of this discussion because despite there being many who want things to get better, there’s always gonna be someone like you.

[hoary drift]

im on your side?? dafuq are you talking about lol

[floral quest]

i’m not really in need of breaks from the game, i have just been following it’s progress for yeaaars and i see no change

[floral quest]

i don’t feel like it??

idk if you’re english but i struggle with it so idk if it’s the wording?

🧍🏼‍♀️

[hoary drift]

huh? I said im on your side is all.

I think you're just looking into it too much, have a good one 👌

[floral quest]

no no hahaah i mean i don’t understand if i’m misunderstanding your english is all, bc mine’s bad

[wintry whale]

@obtuse cove Read the changelogs in https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/401469622659973120

[tropic glen]

My only complaint with the new update is not being able to pick my spawn to join my friends. There 5 or six (and growing) in my group that all get on together every night to play. And we get picked off or starve to death trying to find each other now. All the feedback I have seen about the not liking the new spawn get roasted, does everyone else just play solo Dino? Do you guys like having to travel from one side of the massive map to the other side to find ur party? We finally convinced my friend to buy the game last night to play with us and he had the worst experience, he got killed 3 times and staved twice and almost refunded before we could reach his spawn to teach him how to play and keep him alive. I noticed that there was more corpses laying around in places I never really see players, so it’s not like the worst thing. Ai seems to spawn better. Just having to travel to huge map to find my friend before I can start actually having fun is disappointing. I’ve only played Evrima and I don’t see why everyone loves the new spawn system.

[chilly ermine]

I most play solo unless I stumble across a good group, but I hear your frustration. Nesting is an option but then you can't bring in friends untill it's ready, and that can take hours or longer too.

A lot of people have been asking for friend code spawn ins

[hoary drift]

that would fix a majority of peoples complaints with the random spawns, I personally love it because map needs to be used more. Not saying there isnt better ways to implement that, but I like the spawn code idea

[chilly ermine]

I think it would for sure help with that. I think putting a species cap on it would be good too, or set it at 6 (the amount of eggs in a nest).

[barren zephyr]

@tropic glen spawns are now randomized

@cedar frost realism better than wanting to meet up with your friend. It's also here to oppose hot spots

[limber hull]

It wasn't added for realism though...

[cedar frost]

Realism is in no way better than being able to actually enjoy the game. And how does that even enhance realism?

[barren zephyr]

No hot spots

[limber hull]

It doesn't, I have no idea what he's on about, it was a purely gameplay-oriented choice to encourage more player movement around the map and dissuade overreliance on hotspotting in one desolate area of the map

[cedar frost]

Hot spots exist in nature too, if an area has enough resources to support the creatures inside of it, they're likely to stay there.
I am in no way advocating for hot spots cause i think from a gameplay standpoint it's better to have players take up the whole map rather than a few select spots, but if they're going to remove selected spawns AT LEAST give a friend system to spawn near your friend. Ever since the update, meeting up with friends has been actual hell, and it makes packing with people way too difficult

[limber hull]

Also friend system would be based as hell, been asking since random spawns were revealed to be coming

We have nests already, setting up a pre-spawn group can work on similar ideas

[cedar frost]

if friends system got added i would be completely fine with random spawns, cause my only real complaint about the new system is that it's literally harder to meet up with friends than it is in legacy, and that is NOT good, considering how painful meeting up with people in legacy was

[limber hull]

I personally like random spawns, I just want it to be more accessible to play with friends

[cedar frost]

i still remember having to walk across continents for 20 minutes just to meet up with a friend, do NOT wanna go abck to that

[barren zephyr]

If there are no hot spots, does that mean we don’t need an extension of server size?

[limber hull]

I'm unsure how those are related

[cedar frost]

I feel like we probably still do, 100 still seems a bit too low

[cedar frost]

They're probably talking about how the players on the server would be more wide spread so you'd go for smaller periods of time before finding another player

[barren zephyr]

No hot spots= players are more spread out by force.

[limber hull]

True, but more players would be nice too

[sinful saffron]

This new random spawn is very bad to play with friends, it only would work if there was a party on lobby to spawn together.

[cedar frost]

yeah i feel like we still need more players, but DEFINITELY work on optimization before that though, with the way the game currently is, if we got server expansions the game would be near unplayable for a lot of people

[cedar frost]

exactly what i'm saying

[barren zephyr]

Oh yeah true
When I first played the isle, my previous pc could not handle it

I forgot how this new pc handles it fine
But for other players it prob won’t

[cedar frost]

i used to run the game at 70 fps previously, after the mutations patch it got reduced to 30-40

40 fps is playable, but if they don't work on optimization it's slowly gonna become unplayable

[tropic glen]

If they are not random. Then tell me how to spawn East plains if I know that’s where my friend is? I get that it’s based on the original available spawn location of the Dino. But if I get on at the same time as my friend, and I spawn swamp, and he spawns North Ridge without any sort of selection, it’s random.

[cedar frost]

they said "now random", not "not random"

unless they edited it out, since the message was edited

[barren zephyr]

I have a question about dilos. How come they dont have the frilled skin around their necks?

[cedar frost]

cause the Isle design is trying to be more accurate

[hoary drift]

was Jurassic park that made that

[barren zephyr]

wait the more accurate depiction of "dilo" doesnt have the frilled skin?

[cedar frost]

yeah?

that was purely a jurassic park thing

[icy lion]

Dilo doesn't have frills in real life

[barren zephyr]

oh I actually didnt know that

[cedar frost]

there's 0 evidence to suggest that Dilos had neck frills, it was just a creative decision

[barren zephyr]

You learn something new everyday

[hoary drift]

Lizard has frilled necks and Steven Spielberg said " I like that"

[limber hull]

Ehhh, arguable. They pick and choose what they want and don't want in realism

[cedar frost]

Yeah i know, i meant specifically with the Dilo design

cause certain designs are just either inaccurate or straight up JP designs (cough cough, Galli)

[limber hull]

To be fair they proceeded to give it mangy hair quills and old man face (I do like these things though)

[cedar frost]

That's more speculation than straight up inaccuracy, i like it tbh, i encourage speculation for the most part

[tropic glen]

I may have just misread it. Since my post was about random spawns, I may have glanced and assumed based of context clues.

[sinful saffron]

There's no evidence of venom too

[sinful saffron]

This is called Jurassic park sickness

[tropic glen]

Yeah JP had me fooled my whole life, I didn’t know what a real Dilophosaurus looked like until I bought this game

[hoary drift]

same with legacy back in the day, had to check the internet.

[cedar frost]

i've been doing research on paleo stuff for a good while now but i remember being really really disappointed when i found out that accurate dilo was nothing like JP dilo

had to rethink a lot of my life that day

[hoary drift]

that boy dont be spittin venom ink

[sinful saffron]

Also Gali and utah should be fully covered with feathers

[cedar frost]

technically Omni isn't an actual Utahraptor but i find it really weird that they want to have both Omni and Utah as different animals

like if you wanna keep both designs, just add the Utah design as an Omni pattern/skin, it seems redundant to have both cause they work basically identically

[sinful saffron]

They just changed the name

[cedar frost]

yeah, idk, i feel like Omni should just be turned into a pattern for Utahraptor or vice versa, having both seems pointless

cause they're effectively the same animal

[tropic glen]

I kind of feel like the name change was to drag in more players from the Jurassic Park fan base. Especially after the last movie where the Raptors were almost a focal point.

[cedar frost]

then why not rename it to Velociraptor?

[icy lion]

They want utahraptor to be a brawler, not a pouncer/bleeder

[icy lion]

Because we've got velociraptor on the roster already

It was an ai in legacy

[icy lion]

It wasn't, it was to make room for having a separate utahraptor as a playable

A dev on the team wanted to have an accurate one, the rest of the team gave it the ok, and omniraptor was given its new name

[cedar frost]

That's kind of odd honestly considering actual Utahraptor

[barren zephyr]

i thought velociraptors were bigger than utahs?

[icy lion]

Actual utahraptor was extremely bulky as far as dromaeosaurs go

[icy lion]

Velociraptors are smaller than the in-game troodon

Utahraptor is the largest dromaeosaur

[barren zephyr]

ah ok

[cedar frost]

velociraptors were one of the smallest dromaeosaurs

[cedar frost]

i'm aware but isn't there good evidence that Utahraptor used RPR?

[icy lion]

Oh yea of course, I was referring to pouncing the way our omni does it by clinging to the sides of big animals

[cedar frost]

ah okay

[hidden mist]

Why if an admin writes how current update is a buggy mess, it's approvable, but my same feedback was deleted, lol?

[barren zephyr]

Just tell each other where yall are and ho there 🤷‍♂️

[floral quest]

nesting is broken

everything here is💀

#general-feedback message @dense escarp you can’t smell them? at all?
that an update orrr? bc i was/am able to

[dense escarp]

I've noticed I can't smell any kill at all for a few minutes after the kill. Eventually the body is smellable. As if there is a smell timer.

I'm ASSUMING that this is intended to protect the predator from scavengers for a few minutes

[woeful latch]

@barren zephyr wdym “balls”? XD

I’m so confused

[faint tapir]

How can 2 feedbacks be so similar yet the downvoters of @floral quest ' feedback magically forgot to downvote @valid brook 's? I can guarantee Thyler posts feedback as a player and enjoyer of the game and wants to be held at the same standard without consideration of the color of his username. Get a grip everyone.

[limber hull]

man wants more balls in swamp what can i say

[valid brook]

Possibly a wording reason. im not sure

or timing?

[faint tapir]

the other guys' was even more softly written 😄

[woeful latch]

That one downvote is mine I’m pretty sure

I downvoted both

[valid brook]

on mine it is

[valid brook]

may i ask why?

[woeful latch]

Crazy

[hidden mist]

We ballin'.

[woeful latch]

I think it’s not worth it. The game is not THAT broken, they’ll probably fix those couple bugs in a week or so, no need for a new hordtest

The only annoying thing for me is a bile

[inland vigil]

I don't understand the reasoning of pushing out the hordetest to main branch when it was already pretty clearly buggy and unbalanced in certain areas

[woeful latch]

Cerato is absolutely disgusting now

[inland vigil]

Yeah it's. Not good.

[valid brook]

fair enough. my thought was just, theres enough game breaking things in there (such as being completely frozen when eating, random objects consuming the server, ceras 1 bite vomitting things, carnos hit box ect) that it would be better off taking some extra time in the testing branch before being pushed to the main brench everyone plays

[woeful latch]

Yes I absolutely agree with you, but what is done is done sadly. Idk why they decided release a patch right now, when everything is so buggy

But they said they fixed the bugs (in a patch note)

[valid brook]

thats fair. and idk either, every hordetest it feels like lately has just been a coal in their pocket that they want to get out of their hands as soon as possible

[woeful latch]

But I still see people complaining about “no diet” bug, so probably they didn’t fix anything xD

[valid brook]

a lot of the bugs that they said they fixed in the patch note, they didnt. and some of the bugs they said they fixed (from my experience and me asking other players who play the game for hours on end) wasnt even a bug lol

to me, it appears they may of attempted, but failed, to fix some things, and possibly lied about others all together. but im not certain. thats just what it appears to me, as a player of the game

[woeful latch]

Yeah most likely. Exactly what happened with the fatal errors in the previous HT, they said they fixed the bug, but in reality they didn’t xD

[valid brook]

its very possible

the devs arent really known for their honesty lol

[woeful latch]

I think the game would be more or less playable if they just fix the hitboxes and the bile

Ofc the ping and server performance is still a huge issue

[valid brook]

with the current hordetest? sadly i thing those are the least of the worries. theres some other ones that are a bit more dire

[woeful latch]

Maybe they released this patch asap because they want to announce another HT with Maia. But it’s just me dreaming honestly

[valid brook]

as much as i wish, i unfortunately have to say its unlikely

[woeful latch]

🥹

[inland vigil]

galli was fun. dinosaurs cannot be fun. bleed removed. bug: fixed /j

[icy lion]

There's lots of bugs that appear/reapper when a build is pushed to live

It was extremely disheartening even as QA, I imagine moreso as a dev

[inland vigil]

They weren't fixed in testing either though

[icy lion]

Being able to have a build that works decently, then it's pushed, and all those issues just came back? It sucked

[icy lion]

There were other builds that were pushed in QA between the most recent hordetest and the live push. I imagine things were a bit smoother on those

[inland vigil]

Perhaps

[icy lion]

Why it didn't go to HT first, I can't say

[valid brook]

oh very true, but hordetest being the final testing ground before being pushed to evrima, it would make sense that you would see atleast a handful of these bugs you annouced as fixed before they were pushed. I cant see much of a world where swapping the branches of an update and updating servers alone would cause a significant amount of bugs to appear

[woeful latch]

I think that giving galli bleed was a questionable decision.

[icy lion]

But to claim that errors returning in a build as "dishonesty" is saddening

[valid brook]

some, absolutely, the amount we have? its a little hard to see that

[woeful latch]

But removing it seems even more questionable now

[inland vigil]

I miss killing bad carnos lol

[floral quest]

it’s broken, the thing is that it doesn’t get fixed and they keep making it harder for themselves, and us, when they create several more bugs and such

they do this a lot

[inland vigil]

HT also didn't have a whole lot of players on it at a time this time around, I wonder if something could have been done to incentivize large waves of players to join so that there could be more of an authentic test before it was pushed to main

Getting one server to full was a struggle

[woeful latch]

Maybe the reason they have this amount of bugs in the game is because they changed the version of unreal engine from 4 to 5

Maybe it’s harder to develop

But before UE5 the game was not that buggy

[floral quest]

was defo a wording thing.
but i feel like it’s time someone actually tells them, rather than asking them to fix some things instead of breaking it more.
people make it seem ok, like «can u fix this, not a big issue its ok but it kinda bothers us because bla bla bla»

[floral quest]

hmmm could be

[floral quest]

uuuntil it finally is too much to fix and it gets worse

[valid brook]

im not quite sure what the difference is between the engines, I couldnt see it being much, but giving them the benefit of the doubt, it is possible they might not be used to how it operates

[floral quest]

what do u mean

[floral quest]

i feel like they’ve had time to adjust to it

[valid brook]

likely, but giving the benefit of the doubt isnt a bad thing. unless you need to do it constantly

[floral quest]

people have been, for too long💀 years!

[valid brook]

they swapped to UE5 recently right? hasnt been that long

[woeful latch]

Yes maybe that’s the reason

[woeful latch]

I think so yes, maybe a year or so

[floral quest]

is it a better, or worse engine?

[woeful latch]

Better ofc

[floral quest]

its sad tbh i want to try it, but not in this state

[valid brook]

carnos in an even worse state

spam RMB and you can infinitely charge things with the hitbox of a freight train

[woeful latch]

That’s why I hate cerato

I wish it’s charge bite had some downsides

Like stam cost

Anything tbh. Cerato is just good at everything right now, not a single weak spot

[floral quest]

jesus
yea true

[floral quest]

yeaaa and lower the vol😭😭

dmg is fine

[woeful latch]

Every time I hear that ceratos RWWAAARRR I want to cut off my ears

[floral quest]

could be overcomplicated too, ig

[floral quest]

i know right?? why is it so loud

[woeful latch]

Yeahhh

[proven turret]

this seems extremely unfair, there are about 6-7 utahs (3 of which i eventually killed) teaming up with the crocs to flank me? on what planet is that fair?

[lilac bolt]

oh its not but there are no rules on officials so theres nothing saying they can't do it

[proven turret]

this should be seen as griefing which is what it is, devs should be penalisiing players who play the game like this

fyi, i killed a few of these griefers and managed to escape to a safe place to heal, then logged out

[inland vigil]

Fair doesn't happen in officials

[lilac bolt]

nope

without rules anything goes

[inland vigil]

You can suggest ways to naturally dissuade mixpacking but otherwise nothing you can do. They're playing the game in an acceptable way

[lilac bolt]

there was a suggestion that they make a marker to indicate mixpackers which would be good so people can avoid them

[icy lion]

That's already in the game

The red pack icon when you scent indicates a large group or mixpack

[lilac bolt]

thought it was just for big groups?

[inland vigil]

No

I've seen a red pack symbol over random juvies who were awkwardly hanging near big guys too long lol

[proven turret]

ive been in that same spot before (in the video) holding off packs of utahs and carnos (and the other smaller venemous one i forgot its name) and dilos

[floral quest]

they are omnis

[proven turret]

how do these griefers even have the energy to get together in a group and communicate with each other to play like this

[floral quest]

cerato?

[proven turret]

yeah that one

after killing a few of them one of them rejoined the game as a stego which creeped up behind me to attack my flank

its honestly pathetic the lengths people will go to ruin a game

that spot is good because no one can get to your flanks but there is a small pathway up the cliff/rocks behind you that can be navigated if you do it patiently

[floral quest]

fr, just a bunch of unskilled and insecure people

[woeful latch]

Rejoined as a stego? What

[proven turret]

you know when you are killed you are taken back to the menu where you can choose with dinosaur you can play as..?

[cedar frost]

i'm an hour and a half late but that's not how it works, if you spawn in at different parts of the map or you lack general map knowledge, it's extremely tedious to meet up, especially with gateway's size

the only sort of effective way is to use an external map website so you can pinpoint where you are, but still, moving there is tedious

[cosmic thorn]

Pretty sure there's a bug regarding the migration zones (for Teno, at least). I've made it to Delta, and what's normally Teno Migration Zone food spawns here, but it doesn't count as diet. It will feed you, but you wont get any diet from it. https://puu.sh/KfbVs/4cd799650e.jpg In the past, there was a bug where you could not see your diets, but at least eating the correct plant would still give you diet. Something is messed up with the Migration/Patrol Zones, and it seems that Patrol Zones overwrite Migration Zones, disabling the migration zones and deleting your preferred diets. https://puu.sh/KfbWe/0e531303cd.jpg. If you are not in range of a patrol zone, you literally have NO AVAILABLE DIETS. This is broken as hell and I'm shocked this managed to get to the live build.

[chilly ermine]

How is nesting broken?

[floral quest]

as in bugged

[floral quest]

this is a bug ppl have talked about lots rn

[floral quest]

stam.. food.. dangers.. biiig detours

[cosmic thorn]

this isn't survival through forced challenge, this is survival through forced obscurity.

[floral quest]

😭💀

[chilly ermine]

From the newest patch? I haven’t heard about it.

[proven ore]

lol why are ppl so mad that spawn locations got removed? xD Random spawns are so much better for avoiding hotspots and actually making the whole map lively. The only downside is playing with a friend but even then u can find eacht other and maybe they will add onto it in the future

[chilly ermine]

@dense escarp sounds like this is a bug, not an adjustment.

[terse portal]

Yeah plus they improved ai spawning dramatically, i have no issue going anywhere on any part of the map and finding food. Have found more players in the NE/east sides of the map in this last HT alone than i have in soooo long

[floral quest]

they didn’t fix it before or after

[floral quest]

where tf u seeing ppl mad abt it💀

[proven ore]

check the general feedback channel

[woeful latch]

Absolutely agree

It’s not legacy, it doesn’t take that long to run from one place to another

[hoary drift]

there's literally 2 post right on the front scrolling area lol. people have been crying about the spawns since HT

[chilly ermine]

No idea what your taking about then. I’ve nested and been nested in several times over the last month with no issues.

[floral quest]

doesn’t happen a lot tho

[floral quest]

not a nice way to say people have complaints.

[hoary drift]

https://tenor.com/view/wut-shrug-gif-21587752

[floral quest]

not seeing people being mad, more frustrated than anything because many are new. not everyone is a the isle pro dinosaur gamer🙄🙄

[floral quest]

mature.

[proven ore]

this sounds like hes kinda mad

[cedar frost]

it's not bad on its own, it should've just been added along with a party system instead of just adding random spawns only

[chilly ermine]

Lol, I wonder if this is how they deal with everything in life that doesn’t suit them, jobs, relationships, restaurants.

[proven ore]

ye would have been nice for those that play with friends a lot but it is for the better like this and it is not impossible to just find eachother

[hoary drift]

People complain about Hot spots, then they fix hot spots with a semi solution "WHY CAN'T I SPAWN WHERE I WANT" They're not mind readers guys give them a chance haha

[cedar frost]

i play exclusively with a friend and it's been REALLY annoying to get to each other without dying

[wooden agate]

party spawn system

[cedar frost]

i'm hoping they add a party system of some sorts

[wooden agate]

party spawn system + actually random spawns and it would be fine

[proven ore]

ye would for sure be nice but for now its fine and better then before

[cedar frost]

yeah exactly

[hoary drift]

It'd be the best way to quiet the crowds, and please party players

[cedar frost]

i personally disagree but that's probably cause one of us plays exclusively with friends and the other doesn't mind playing alone much

[proven ore]

yep

[hoary drift]

Solo dolo on the Isle, trust nobody but your own friend transplants

[floral quest]

Ok?

[wooden agate]

i just dont see why they didnt do 20-40 generic spawn points around the map with 10-15 or so water spawn points for deino/things that spawn in the water instead of just cycling through the previous spawn points

[chilly ermine]

I think you’re touching on a much deeper issue with the human condition 😂

[hoary drift]

are you upset with me or something? you keep coming at me like I offended you personally. multiple channels now. Give it a break.

[proven ore]

xD I think it is best to ignore him

[harsh sun]

Yes, the patch broke some stuff, but this guy is just someone who chills in south all the time.

[hoary drift]

fr lol

[harsh sun]

Like, on an unofficial server called petits peides, the heatmap shows the difference that random spawns make

[sudden shell]

#general-feedback message

I'm pretty sure it's a bug or mapping oopsie that's causing the near total blindness in swamps because it's still decent in certain areas then it suddenly just becomes crap if you move 10 feet to the left.

[sudden shell]

Most of the people complaining about random spawns just don't like change and don't want to have to actually learn the map

[harsh sun]

XD

[floral quest]

y’all are being immature and rude for no reason💀 also don’t assume my gender.

[proven ore]

😭u have to be trolling

[barren zephyr]

bros mad cause he cant meet up with friends and kos with diablo💀

just play the game

[floral quest]

LMAO i have nothing against the spawns.
hate dibs. mind ya buisness

[paper galleon]

@next swan carno with a body or meat in the mouth cannot use the load

[next swan]

I was sure I was pummeled by one and he held a tiny dino in his jaws

[paper galleon]

I'm telling you because I tried it today, it probably had a piece of meat bug

[next swan]

Quite possible then yeah

[remote portal]

preferred food bug should have been fixed before this update rolled out tbh

because it's unplayable as herbi as it stands

patrol zones don't appear unless you're already standing in them, mz don't show up at all, preferred food bug 90% of the time. what were the devs thinking lol

[vital laurel]

@desert cove it’s just a special kind of dot, no reason to remove it

[cosmic thorn]

Yeah it's a pain to play herbivore at the moment. You just can't get a decent diet going.

[remote portal]

hi lowland :)

[hoary drift]

@vital laurel put that perfectly. There was no need for this to go live this early. there's multiple bugs that have not been fixed, even though they claim they have. (Meant to tag Feedback post)

[hoary drift]

damn you really were cookin on that for a couple hours huh.. lol I forgot about it, maybe you should get over it, too.

[hidden mist]

I miss those times when I could play on all “Epic” settings except for “Effects”, which was on “Medium”, and the other times when I could play with everything on “High” Now I’m stuck with “Medium” settings, and fps only lowered. These laggy jungles, may the inescapable curse lay upon them.

[next flint]

Starving as ptera is a joke.
AI spawns are way to less it seems since that update and Seaturtles and Crabs are non existent as always. Pls look into it

[lilac bolt]

@lavish shadow because your dino isn't actively drinking the water?

[floral quest]

y’all were the ones continuing and being like «ignore that guy🤓» you’re not better than everybody else, kid😂 please get over yourself, i don’t have to respond to every reply immediately, you ain’t that important

[next flint]

Storm sounds need to be lowered

[floral quest]

defo it’s beyond loud

[twilit spade]

Why are horde testing server still down?

[icy lion]

Because hordetesting is over. Swap to the evrima branch

[twilit spade]

How? isnt horde testing for new updates? figured it would always be around

[icy lion]

It's not always active, no

[twilit spade]

Crazy, they been up for a long while now weird

[twilit spade]

couple months ago me and a buddy ruled the lakes with a iron fist as deinos.. we killed every deino for like 4 days and people were complaining on discord lolol.. good timesss\

[lilac bolt]

@blissful night please keep in mind the game was remade sometime in 2020. its not as though the game has been cleanly through development since 2015

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

Carno, when charging, gets a 20% speed boost, meaning it reaches up to 59.4km/hr while charging

Reverting its speed to 55.6km/hr would make it travel at around 66.72km/hr while charging, which is utterly nuts

[rough wind]

lol that would be really funny
i kinda want that

[limber hull]

With speed mutations, it bypasses SEVENTY KILOMETERS PER HOUR

[barren crater]

sounds fun

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-patrick-star-patrick-animation-cartoons-gif-16276467

[cosmic storm]

I’m sorry but like HOW IS THIS PERFECT EVERY TIME I CHECK? ITS LITERALLY HALF! #general-feedback message
2 v 1
4 v 2
6 v 3
8 v 4
…
now it’s 16 v 8
Not like complaining but it’s too perfect, it’s weird

[barren crater]

I think it should be like

take 5% of your health in damage to be knocked out of sleeping

[cyan flame]

In one hit or how to calculate that? Cause the issue with adding something like that is the grief potential of "I'm not going to let you log".

[barren crater]

in one hit yea

[limber hull]

yea, otherwise mr hypsi over here is going to be ensuring restless nights

[barren crater]

well that's how I'd like it

similar to how cerato ignores damage up to a certain amount on a body, while eating

[cosmic storm]

People can still quit, the issue is safe logging mid fight

[cyan flame]

I'd argue maybe 10%, and only on actual raw damage then, no funny mechanic (like hypsi spit or so)

[barren crater]

I mean technically raptor / troodon pounce gets you out of sleeping rn

[cyan flame]

Not if you decide to wait for someone to log and then keep biting them every time they try, there's the issue. You can't log midfight as it stands anyway, not unless you got protection (that's fine), or you're being hunted by something that shouldn't get you in the first place. There isn't really "combat logging".

[cosmic storm]

There’s more issues with people abusing safe log than people abusing anti-safe log

[cyan flame]

There really isn't, at all

[cosmic storm]

I have had enough people safe log on me that I argue it is, really

[cyan flame]

Maybe you should hunt things you can kill if they just lie down to sleep in the middle of combat then

Cause if you hunt anything suitable, it'll die long before it can log unless you get to an actual safe spot, which only some playables can do

[green coral]

I think the cheating problem is pretty abused

[cosmic storm]

Maybe you shouldn’t be defending abuse of a poorly designed mechanic?

[green coral]

Constantly running into esp players

[cyan flame]

Yeah, and I find that questionable to be honest, especially if a single troodon pounce gets something like a stego or deino out of sleeping, somehow

[cosmic storm]

If I ambush a dryo and bite it, it shouldn’t be able to just disappear

[cyan flame]

There is no abuse, simple as that

[cosmic storm]

“There is no war in Ba Sing Say”

[cyan flame]

If you find the dryo 1 second before it's done safelogging, you don't get the kill, simple as. If you find it just as it lies down to start sleeping, it's not somehow logging out from you

[cosmic storm]

It runs behind a cliff as I see it, I run around the corner, bite it, and it’s gone. No food I starve

[cyan flame]

You know you have to lie down, in sleeping, for 60 seconds to log, right?

[lilac bolt]

it takes 60 seconds to do so

yeah

[cyan flame]

If you somehow did not catch up to it in those 60 seconds, then well, it got away

[cosmic storm]

I know, but it shouldn’t be able regardless if it waited 58 seconds before I bite it

[cyan flame]

Yes, yes it should

Otherwise you will have people griefing it

[cosmic storm]

You need to be silenced!

(I’m joking)

[cyan flame]

Because clearly, having somoene disagree with you is bad! xD

[cosmic storm]

Yes, I am ze undefiable dicator, all should follow me every orda

But back to the topic because I’m letting dumbness get too far off topic;
No, combat logging is dumb.

[midnight heath]

#general-feedback message @summer olive It's not a "normal croc", it's a fictional re-imagining of Deinosuchus. The Isle isn't based on accuracy either, nor do we have any proof that said Deinosuchus couldn't have lived within brackish or saltwater environments. With mutations that allow you to eat and then heal, see in the dark, run faster, cannibalize without limitations - it's baffling to list that mutation alone.

[cyan flame]

The entire point is that with how long it takes + the fact that you're entirely defenseless while sleeping, means that actual combat logging is more or less impossible, unless you're A, being protected, or B, somehow get so far away that the target can't catch up (which should be counted as a fair escape), or being attacked by much less numbers/force that should be hunting you, and thus it's not really an issue, since you can hunt more size appropriate targets.

And I'd rather have that, than potential griefing by tiny thing that just goes "I don't want to let you log, let me nibble you every time you try"

Because the amount of times someone has logged on me, they were either protected, so wasn't getting them anyway, or had gone so far into the forest that it would have made no difference, and I wouldn't have been able to tell if I lost them "properly" or if they did log, because they were far gone anyway.

[icy lion]

Check the pinned messages in the official server channels such as #evrima-na to see how to report hackers

[cyan flame]

Most of the time it's happened to me, it's been a raptor going on a rock and then lying down and logging

[cosmic storm]

Bleh, more people rather not have their targets vanish unrealistically than have the security of not getting griefed in a game that’s unrealisticlly difficult to grief in.

[cyan flame]

Until they get griefed and then they'll realize the issue, at least how it tends to go

[cosmic storm]

Then perhaps an experiment is required, unfortunately neither of us can prove our point. Not right now at least.

[cyan flame]

Why do you think we have not very well flying ptera, because mixing/griefing, potential issues and so on. Adding better ability to grief in some way, will have people do it

Except there has been times where you could literally log in a second, or wait in logout and go poof, while standing

And those circumstances did cause various issuess

[cosmic storm]

My point is thusly more studied than yours.

[cyan flame]

But currently it's very obvious and you're defenseless while logging, that kind of fixes those issuess

You can't wait in logout, you can't "fake out" a logout, you even have to lie down so you can't get back to reaction quickly

[cosmic storm]

Experimentation is required.

[cyan flame]

Not really, it should be rather obvious how it will go

[cosmic storm]

I’ve seen more obvious things be completely unpredictable.

[midnight heath]

If I'm hunting a raptor and said raptor hops on a rock - they'll still be able to safelog if they wait a bit if it's tied to a combat timer. The end goal seems the same.

If you can't kill someone within the time it takes for them to log out I feel like that's on the hunter, I've been killed while safelogging - It's a gamble to do it you're not already far away. I don't want Legacy's logout system back where I can either immediately vanish or fight.

[cyan flame]

Such as?

[cyan flame]

So have I, it can be done, if you're hunted by well, something meant to hunt you. And yeah, you can't really "wait someone out" when they get to a safe spot, unless it's like a herrera, though I don't know if they hold on to the tree even if you just log, or if they fall down?

[cosmic storm]

I’m just not gonna argue until my argument is tested and I prove my point.

[midnight heath]

I assume herrera's model might stay latched until they poof but I've never seen someone crash or log while latched. You had a good point above, if someone gets that far away and starts logging, you likely weren't going to get them anyway.

[cosmic storm]

Or disprove, regardless, I rather experiment than not try at all.

[midnight heath]

And if someone can safelog nearby while I'm actively trying to find them and I somehow don't with the aid of blood, footprints, the snoring, etc. in those 60 seconds, they can win that hunt and logout.

[cyan flame]

Well, you could go try it in BoB, though it's also designed for well, arcade game style, and stuff, so might go differently there than it would here

[cold minnow]

@eternal zinc what's wrong with models being in sync with weight?

[eternal zinc]

My cousin is way heavier then he looks, why not the same with dinosaurs, its just extra work

[cyan flame]

I think they are, or at least are meant to be? Dibble could just be very dense for it's size possibly, while dilo is rather slim. Though I'd have to see the comparison to see if it makes sense or not

[cosmic storm]

Too be fair, a dibble is on 4 legs and is bigger because it’s rounder, where a dilophosaurus is on 2 legs so is unstable

[cyan flame]

Well, dibble also does have a surprisingly good threshold for it's knockdown/stun, as stego can attest to

[cosmic storm]

A hit hit on a human knocks them over better than a good hit on a large pig

[cosmic storm]

True

[cold minnow]

I got knocked over by a dibble that barely reached my knees

[cyan flame]

But it could just be that dibble doesn't look as large as it is, stego tends to be similar, they look tiny but are the weight of an omni already

[cosmic storm]

But your being hit by like a bowling ball throwing it’s full weight at you

[limber hull]

People need to remember that diablo may be small, but it's literally like a moving sphere. Dilo is slim and tall, diablo is short and dense. Think about how the hippo is heavier than the giraffe kinda deal

[cold minnow]

I'm saying a 700kg dibble should be bigger

[cyan flame]

Granted, it could be some issues with growth/values during it, but height/weight does not always match

[cosmic storm]

It’s like a fantasy dwarf, it’s dense

lol

[cyan flame]

It kind of is, yes

[cosmic storm]

Frill is all bone too

When you consider how heavy that frill is, it’s probably like 25% of the weight

Well the skull in general

The rest of the body is just there to allow it to move

[limber hull]

people forget that a giant bone shield would probably be heavy LMAO

[cosmic storm]

Ceratopsians; it’s just a bone shield with legs, there is a 1000% chance it’s heavier than it looks and there’s a 1000% guarantee you will have a bad day if it hits you.

Big, heavy, and hurts a lot

[cyan flame]

Still, could be worth looking at growth values once more at some point

[cosmic storm]

Definitely

[midnight heath]

Remove the ability of people being able to like their own posts, there's my top tier feedback.

[cosmic storm]

Still it’s funny being hit by the equivalent of a sentient lead potato and learning that it hurts a lot

[cyan flame]

Eh, it's not that bad, even if it is kind of a given that the person agrees with themselves xD

[midnight heath]

I just think it's silly

[icy lion]

@azure pond Please don't post files like that

[azure pond]

ok

i cant seem to find a way to make it a video

[mortal parrot]

@boreal dove I'm not sure but I think that's going to be Allo's Unique ability

Are you talking about the ambush mechanic from Legacy?

[boreal dove]

Sorry I meant moving faster while still crouched at the cost of stamina

[mortal parrot]

Oh that

I was thinking of something different

[boreal dove]

No worries, I hope allo gets the old legacy ambush mechanic as it’s thing

[mortal parrot]

I think it is getting that

Allo is iconic in Legacy so it makes sense for it of all playables to use it as an ability in Evrima

[cyan flame]

Hopefully it's done better than in legacy if we're getting something like that

[boreal dove]

Agreed, possibly as part of grappling

[rough wind]

#general-feedback message
Im so happy I got to see one of these
its because you logged out on a cliff and then they expanded the swamp under you

[finite lagoon]

What's the deal with spawnpoints? Why is everyone voting to keep them gone? Who does this help I'm so confused

I play this with my GF mostly and she is direction-illiterate. Also some friends don't know the map well. What's the sense in making me coach them through discord calls on how to meet and wasting an hour doing it rather than just spawning relatively near one another? Who is this for?

[limber hull]

It's really helpful in removing the consistent hotspotting issue, and has been working great in that regard, causing players to move around and explore the map.

The "spawn near friends" issue is something I think does need work on tho, ideally a party system for pre-spawn

[finite lagoon]

I'd be fine with something like that. I mean idk abt Hotspot fixing, I feel like players will still migrate towards Splains eventually but maybe I'm wrong idk.

I agree the hot-spotting was lame. But I don't really appreciate having the ability to play with less-experienced friends ripped out from under me with no real replacement lol

[limber hull]

Here's an image of post-update heatmaps. Lots more distribution, so we do have evidence that it is working

I def agree tho, I love to play with friends and I would really want a system that enables that

[finite lagoon]

Tbh that's pretty impressive. I don't think I've even been to half those spots other than ptera map scouting tbh. That's pretty cool

[limber hull]

Everything you've said is spot-on though, there's now a far greater barrier of entry for playing with friends, and for a multiplayer game with several group-based animals, that's not superb. But the benefits of random spawning are clear, hence why a nice middle ground of being able to make a party and invite people to it before spawn (akin to nesting) would be awesome

[rough wind]

#general-feedback message
the changes overall are in a good direction
i do agree that its way too buggy to have been released

[limber hull]

cera bile has the right idea but oh god the execution

[rough wind]

needs to do half of what its doing now

[limber hull]

IDK about half, but it def needs to be doing less

Actually... yea, half

[floral quest]

whats this spot again?

or like whats it called

[limber hull]

i think that's west rail access

[floral quest]

oh yeah now i see it

[limber hull]

my knowledge on the actual map from an aerial view is pretty limited lol

[floral quest]

west access🤷🏼‍♀️

[inland vigil]

@velvet stag those are called sound traps (the large numbers of ai birds). They basically make a ton of noise and will attack you if you get/stay too close. They're positioned in specific spots on the map so once you know where they are you can avoid them

[hidden mist]

@slow ibex https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/783214088456896513

[summer olive]

The Isle once was based on accuracy. And if theres no croc today that can permanently life in saltwater its pretty much safe that there wasnt ever one who could. Evolution doesnt go backwards. If there were crocs earlier who could life in saltwater permanently then they would be still there today. Also theres no brackish water in the isle so that Argument doesnt count.

[midnight heath]

Please provide the source of when it was "once based on accuracy"

[summer olive]

And basically if were not accurate, might as well let stegosaurus eat meat because the game isnt accurate anyways.

[cyan flame]

No, the Isle was never about accuracy/realism

[midnight heath]

👆

[summer olive]

Remember when they were planning on adding feathers to utah and galli?

[midnight heath]

Nearly all the playables went through multiple designs before now, that genuinely proves nothing.

[cyan flame]

I'll remind you of the hyper rex being prominently showcased back then, and even way back, critters were hardly very accurate in how they worked or even looked at times

[summer olive]

There was an attempt. And theyre still trying their best as possible on accuracy. Especially when it comes down to modelling and animations.

[midnight heath]

Again, provide a source for that please.

Making popular designs based on what we have doesn't prove they were going for accuracy.

[summer olive]

Yeah they removed hypo rex.

[midnight heath]

Yet cannibals are staying

Very realistic

[cyan flame]

Yes, I'll grant you most models and anims are very realistic (well, omniraptor and spino and so on, but most can be argued to be somewhat realistic in looks and movement I guess)

[cyan flame]

... You know it's still planned for the game?

[summer olive]

Were talking bout the dinosaurs and not the science fiction aspect of the game

[cyan flame]

Just like gen1/"tribals" that are... well, more or lesss "monsters"

[summer olive]

Yeah as part of the lore.

They first want to finish the game

[cyan flame]

Right, then you got omniraptor, JP spino, and venomous troodon/dilo, scorpion jabbing stego, and so on

[midnight heath]

They never said it was supposed to be realistic, basing designs off of popular enough media again, proves nothing.

[summer olive]

Before adding a lore

[cyan flame]

No, as in actual game playables

It's not just a "lore" thing, nore are gen1, nor are our current not very realistic playables, nor are mutations that we have, and so on

[summer olive]

Jp spino? Thats nowhere near jp. That one is based on more modern and accurate picturing of the spino

[summer olive]

Yeah and still its part of the lore.

[cyan flame]

Yes, the spino we have is based on JP, and while maybe RL spino has been updated again, last time I heard, RL does not look like spino in JP3?

[midnight heath]

I loved the part where you proved an actual source of the Isle developers ever claiming that they were going for realism.

[cyan flame]

And what's the issue then, everything in the game is part of the lore?

[summer olive]

The Mutations do be realistic mostly since it just providee playable species with individuality other than skin. Which we still have nowadays.

[cyan flame]

We got omni beipi, and galli, for that matter, if you're looking for examples of diets (since you mentioned stego eating meat, maybe that'll be a mutation)

[midnight heath]

Suddenly being able to be a cannibal and drink saltwater isn't realistic at all.

[summer olive]

Based in what conditions certain animals life they adapt to it.

[cyan flame]

Ah yes, being able to run faster just because day or night is so realistic, or being able to eat to regenerate health, or get stamina from attacks, and so on

And if so, then deino mutating to drink saltwater is not an issue, especially not when every other playable can do it too

[midnight heath]

The whole creature would need to change, that's not how evolution works.

[summer olive]

Based on being awake or sleepy yes it is realistic.

[cyan flame]

It's not evolution, it's probably literally programmed into the replicated, designed and built critter

[cyan flame]

Then where's the issue in saying you can learn to drink saltwater?

[midnight heath]

There's a reason why only one person agreed with you, it's inncorrect and the game isn't realistic and never was.

[cyan flame]

The entire point of mutations is to offer variation in how you play

[midnight heath]

But you're just refusing to accept that part or provide reference for a "realistic Isle"

[limber hull]

"Based on realism"

The 9 foot tall man eating, machine worshipping, tree climbing abomination in question

[cyan flame]

Saltwater deino is one of those options

[midnight heath]

Most realistic man I've ever seen

[limber hull]

Behold, a man

[midnight heath]

Peak performance even

[limber hull]

Featherless AND biped

[midnight heath]

Must be a man

[summer olive]

Im not talking about Evolution. Im talking about adaptive life style. Which is what survival has been about all the time. The species who adapts the best to new conditions has the highest chance of survival. However I wont keep discussing with a literall brick wall so you guys have a nice day. Bye

[cyan flame]

You didn't even explain the issue you have?

[limber hull]

Isn't a gator adapting to the ocean exactly what adaptation is

[cyan flame]

I asked why you can find other mutations fine, but not deino drinking saltwater?

[limber hull]

Like isn't that adaptation exactly what you just described for deino

[cyan flame]

Other critters can learn to become cannibals, or otherwise learn to drink saltwater, deino is not the only one with that mutation

[summer olive]

Youre the one yapping, not me.

[cyan flame]

So your problem is just that we point out that you're wrong and trying to understand why you have an issue with a mutation?

[midnight heath]

Again, that's all irrelavant in the end.

You made a claim, failed to provide any proof aside from "Well they modeled insert dinosaur to look like said dinosaur" and despite having 47 other people telling you that you're incorrect you've decided that you still must be right.

[summer olive]

Bro what mutation tf?

[cyan flame]

The saltwater one?

[limber hull]

The mutation that lets deino go in saltwater

[cyan flame]

Since that's literally how deinos live in saltwater

By drinking it, until they get over it, just like any other playable can do

[limber hull]

They have to get a mutation to do that

[summer olive]

No ive never said that. I may be wrong, that wont change my opinion and view on things tho.

[summer olive]

Theres a mutation?

[cyan flame]

You claimed the Isle tried to be accurate, which only really applies to looks/anims

But not to how the playables work

[limber hull]

Every creature can get it, it lets them drink from salt water

[midnight heath]

I just don't understand your reasoning though, being upset that it's unrealistic in a non-realistic game is kind of absurd don't you think?

[cyan flame]

And yes, drinking saltwater is a mutation

[limber hull]

It's how deino can go in salt water

[cyan flame]

So deino, and every other playable, can do it

[summer olive]

I thought the could normally go into saltwater

[midnight heath]

No, it's never been able to do that.

[limber hull]

Nope, need the mutation

[summer olive]

Were not talking about being able to drink it. Thats unrealistic anyways.

[cyan flame]

Well, game isn't meant to be realistic

[summer olive]

Or else?

[cyan flame]

Or else they dehydrate?

[summer olive]

Alright

[limber hull]

Die of dehydration because they can't naturally survive off salt water

[summer olive]

Thats one thing i did not know. Thats literally what I asked for. But yeah. Doesnt matter

[limber hull]

If you drink enough salt water, you can adapt to it and get the mutation to drink it

[midnight heath]

But you said mutations were different to be fair

"The Mutations do be realistic mostly since it just providee playable species with individuality other than skin. Which we still have nowadays." #general-feedback-discussion message

[limber hull]

That applies to all species, deino, beipi, and every land creature

[cyan flame]

And the point of mutations is to allow for different playstyles

Including being a cannibal, living by saltwater, and whatever else funny things you can get

[summer olive]

That I knew.

[limber hull]

I think the only creature who's getting it basekit is proto and even that is debatable

[midnight heath]

Protocera?

Why would it be getting that by default?

[urban flax]

COASTAL NICHE

[limber hull]

COASTAL NICHE

[urban flax]

I mean coastal niche

[limber hull]

oh so did i

[summer olive]

Dont know whats the fuzz about. Could everyone just calm the f down like dude it was a suggestion for a game no need for heated stuff like this

[midnight heath]

Ya'll scaring me out here, that's not funny

[limber hull]

who's heated?

[urban flax]

I am

[cyan flame]

No one was/is heated. Literally just pointing out how the game works and not

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleto-skeleton-fire-hell-burn-gif-26129219

[summer olive]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-gif-4576513125411549651

[midnight heath]

It's feedback discussion, you got discussion on your feedback. Disagreements aren't always heated.

[summer olive]

Aight keep discussing. Ima have a good day.

[urban flax]

I just wanted to point out, that when talking about realism or accuracy, every creature in the game is genetically modified, so it doesn't matter if there is a living croc irl that can survive in salt water or whatever
Because they can just make it fit the way they want

[inland vigil]

Saltwater deinos are also pretty easily avoided. The ocean isn't murky like rivers. So what if we swim in saltwater...

[limber hull]

more flexiblity in playstyle is good anyways

[zenith hazel]

#general-feedback message @sonic sparrow you can find stuff at the migration zone

[midnight heath]

I've seen 3 ocean crocs I think total

2 by East and one at West Rail

[limber hull]

ocean croc is such a unique playstyle i legit can't get mad at it

more power to them for experimenting

[midnight heath]

I want ocean life

[woeful latch]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-swimming-meme-sea-fun-gif-19233308

[river delta]

Researching stegos and their defensive maneuvers, can there be a consideration if not already for stegos to move backwards or back up?

[pseudo slate]

@spark lantern the stego probably headshotted you

[spark lantern]

nope he hit me on the tail

[pseudo slate]

u have a clip?

i wanna see

cuz u can survive a tail shot from a stego

[spark lantern]

I dont have clip

[spark lantern]

well i diddnt or he cheated

idk

[boreal briar]

@spark lantern The hit must have registered on your head, I'm pretty certain you can tank a hit or two to the body/tail.
Lesson learned is: Cerato don't fight Steggo. Leave that for someone more agile

[pseudo slate]

oh man cera can fight stego but not alone

[desert arch]

A cera can tank a normal swing to the body and live at 4% hp, if its a power swing then you just die.

[pseudo slate]

i survived a tail shot as a dilo

[boreal briar]

Didn't know that about the power swing. Neat

[desert arch]

The standing one does around 1.8k dmg iirc

Plenty enough to instantly kill, or severely wound anything in the roster

[pseudo slate]

thoughts on troodon diving under water?

[urban flax]

why

[pseudo slate]

idk just wanna see the replies

[north quiver]

@slow lake dibble is actually very easy to take down with troodons or omnis. I came close to bleeding a fg dibble out with a single troodon yesterday and only gave up because I got bored lol

it’s no surprise it takes a lot of effort from a small game hunter to kill a large, defensive animal that can’t run away and choose its fights

want to see op? look at deino. the only thing that can touch it when it doesn’t want to be touched is another deino and it has the ability to grab and delete every single thing on the current roster

I’d honestly say dibbles state is laughable when it comes to dibble vs troodons or omnis. its only chance is either having competent buddies or a good cliff to park against, which isn’t fun for either side

[north quiver]

oh and against cera too. ceras are scarily effective against dibbles

[paper galleon]

dibble doesn't have to be good against everyone, it has to have strengths and weaknesses, dibble has to be bad against utahs and troodons, it's made that way on purpose, it's called balancing the game, if it couldn't be killed it would be very broken, still dibble is very strong and if you know how to play it you will kill some utahs

herbivores are not immortal , otherwise nobody would play the game, you are complaining about something that is so on purpose

[paper galleon]

if before the ceras were very strong, now the ceras dominate the game among the carnivores, the problem is that it has a very good twist, if the cera knows how to play it can kill a dibble, but equally if the dibble knocks it down 3 times it will kill it, right now with the control it is very strong and can make that a cera cannot kill it

just learn to play the dibble, if you get killed with the dibble is not because what killed you is very strong, if not because you have to learn to play it, try the control and see how strong it is, the dibble is quite unbalanced right now, if you play it well you can not die against absolutely nothing, besides the dibble is medium weight and currently there is no carnivore with that weight, if you're already complaining I do not want to imagine when they get a carnivore of the same weight as the allo XD

[north quiver]

weakness is fine, but this guy wants it nerfed because his small game hunter carno can’t kill it quickly

also called them almost unkillable which they aren’t

[paper galleon]

no, in fact I think it's good that they have changed it, before it was bad because the loading was useless, at least they dared to touch it, although they have nerfed it a lot

just read what you posted, you complain about the utahs and troodons killing you, when they should be able to kill the stego, but being an apex they have too much life and in one hit it kills them all, and yet I don't see you complaining about them, you complained about the deino when it's another apex and right now they are really bad because nobody goes near the water, literally the most boring thing I've ever seen in my life, you just kill other deinos XD

[north quiver]

deino was a prime example. I could’ve touched on omni and cera but I didn’t feel like it. as for stego, that thing needs some buffs

[paper galleon]

the stego will kill any carnivore in one hit right now, what buff is that going to take?, they literally set it up so it can kill rex without actually being an apex

[north quiver]

I found it pretty sad watching a carno duo massacre a stego roughly their size (visually. which would like what, 2 tons? 3?)

kept spamming ram on its tail and managed to kill it

[north quiver]

they initially had it like that but they nerfed it so now it’d really struggle

one power swing does like 12% stam? that’s pretty absurd. wasn’t it also given a cooldown?

[desert arch]

10% for a standing, 15% for a running power swing, and it has a 3 second cooldown.

[north quiver]

thanks. 15% is insane

[paper galleon]

absurd is the damage he has, and that even without stam he can hit with the tail, and he doesn't need to hit with the tail loaded, because he hits half his damage

[paper galleon]

literally nobody beats stegos because they are immortal right now, not even the deino can catch them if it is not swimming, and yes, if the stego is small it can die, it is what it is, just like the deino, almost all its life is useless and it can die easily, it is in the last 15% when it starts to be able to hunt big preys

[hidden mist]

So you want a "pseudo Apex" die to current land creatures, which are not supposed to even look at a Stego?

We are getting a T-Rex soon. Will you apply the same "economics" to it lol, so that 3-4 ceras should be able to take a full-grown T-Rex down?

[paper galleon]

I didn't understand what you meant, I just said that the stego has too much damage to not be an apex and the deino can't kill it unless it's swimming, and in a 1vs1 on land the deino dies easy

[paper galleon]

I don't know, but the cera is too small, and the rex won't be on the officials' side anyway

[hidden mist]

But if the Stego swims, it's a oneshot for it. 6 hours of growing to a trash bin. So what's the problem? That an aquatic creature can't dominate the land-dwelling one?

[paper galleon]

no, I didn't say that, I was just saying that he doesn't need a buff, because the previous guy said he needed a buff because 2 carnos killed a stego of his own height

plus he complained that the dibble died easily against utahs and troodons, when I told him it was made that way on purpose, but he said I only said that because i dont like the carno nerf, so I explained why the stego doesn't need a buff

[hidden mist]

I see, I read the full conversation just now. Welp, my opinion on Stego might be controversial currently, and I'm not really sure with it until we have the T-Rex, so... But I know that Stegos not really the unkillable beasts, I can say I saw Ceras massacre them, but yep, one mistake - one death for them (as it should be anyway, if they are willing to drop their intended scavenger role for such fight). Also tail hit killing is another problem, tbh. Not a single creature should die to them, if it's not the very base of the tail.

[valid merlin]

the dibbles are most defiantly not balanced, completely OP.

[slow lake]

seeing your name, i see you hold some bias. besides that, the deino is only really relevant in the water. smart players know the safe places to drink.
I, along with 6 other troos, fought 2 dibbles for 2 hours and got nowhere. they ended up calling in 6 more dibbles to help them fight some baby troodons. absolute madness. their bleed heal is super speed as well. and you're telling me that this is balance? they can one or 2 shot almost every carnivore in the roster. the only laughable thing about the dibble is the people that swear its balanced.

[north quiver]

I always love seeing people’s reaction to my name. especially when an herbivore finally gets a buff lol that’s always the best reactions

[north quiver]

2 shot is a strong word when the damage varies with each attack. the knock down does 100 iirc?

[paper galleon]

yeap, now explain it to the fellow who is saying that the dibble is not good because it is killed by utahs and troodons and needs a buff

[north quiver]

Or possibly a bit more. I just know it does a lot less damage

[paper galleon]

i agree

[north quiver]

but a neat thing with dibble is that you can just

run away. unless you’re a stego

[paper galleon]

after tearing down you have a free alt, what are you telling me? XD

[north quiver]

also

baby troodons? that might be why you were having trouble

[paper galleon]

over if you know how to play you'll hit him in the head

[north quiver]

that’s situational and not always a guarantee

[paper galleon]

no, if you test it, every bite the troodon takes on the poisoned dibble only does 1% damage, I'm talking about adult troodon

[north quiver]

in its third venom stage?

[slow lake]

baby as in size comparison

[paper galleon]

the game is not about the carnivores killing each other and the herbivores living without any fear, the carnivores can also hunt the herbivores and the dibble right now is very strong, now that they have played the sparring mode it turns too much and it becomes complicated to kill it, but of course, if there are several utahs of course they can kill you, that is what the numerical superiority has, but possibly some utah died

[paper galleon]

yeah, I invite you to try it, but I tried it when the horde was released in the evrima and it was like this

[north quiver]

even if it’s on the third stage, if you have 6 adults, if each adult gets at least 4 pounces, that’s down 24% health right there.

with a full pack (a full pack is 12? correct me if that’s wrong. it’s been a long while since I’ve been in a full pack) if each member gets 4 pounces, that’s basically half its health right there

not even counting how much bleed the dibble could have

[paper galleon]

the herd is 10, and you're comparing 1 dibble against 10 troodons, what do you expect, that they can't do anything but look at you?

[desert arch]

Troodons bleed doesnt scale with the extra dmg venom gives, so that dibble would be chilling on blood

[tight iron]

they can't do anythnig but look at you

a singel dibble can ez kill 10 troodons

[desert arch]

Not like the troodons could benefit from the kill anyway, cant pick up the organs😔

[paper galleon]

immunity to pounce is just a bug, wait for the fix @vapid surge

[tight iron]

3 mins max and all the troodons are gone

[north quiver]

a full pack should be needed to have a chance against a dibble, which it sounds like it does if everyone in the pack does a decent job. 60kg mosquito vs 3000 kg behemoth

[paper galleon]

surely, unless the dibble doesn't know how to play

[tight iron]

yes

[paper galleon]

well, that's the way it is, that's how we carnivores feel when we are alone and we see all the herbivores in herds of 6 or more

[north quiver]

nest. you’ll have a bunch of players wanting an egg and your pack will grow exponentially

[desert arch]

Troodon is not to be underestimated though 😄

[paper galleon]

the troodon can die from a single hit from almost any dino, killing takes time because they do little damage, the more troodons the more food you need, more troodons does not mean they will do more damage, because only 1 troodon can apply the poison at a time and once applied they have to bite you, so if they all go to bite you they will trip over each other and be easily killed

[tight iron]

troodons are beyond useless against big things tbh

[desert arch]

Troodon does insane dmg wdym

120dmg per pounce at stage 3 is no joke

[tight iron]

i mean yeah but they get 1 tapped by everything so

[pseudo slate]

dont get hit

[tight iron]

if you wanna fight smth bigger than you, expect to be 1 tapped

[desert arch]

Yeah, but I can still solo omnis with it

[paper galleon]

well that utah wasn't very good, but yeah, the troodon was that strong but nobody played it

[tight iron]

hold on what

pause

you soloing raptors as a troodon?

[desert arch]

Not your best of the best omnis, but your average joe is in danger

[pseudo slate]

2 troodons killed a fg carno

[tight iron]

wat

[pseudo slate]

he was just spamming alt bite

[tight iron]

that is some crazy troodon mometn

[pseudo slate]

man we had a group of 8 fighting 3 dibbles and a teno and they were hiding in the water so yeh troodon is really hard to play 1 mistake and you are punished

[desert arch]

Look above. But heres another one

[tight iron]

killing troodons as a carno is a pain in the ass tbh

[pseudo slate]

we all died in the end

[desert arch]

I did it alone today, well, kinda XD

[desert arch]

Honestly no, just spam charge and hold rmb, they literally cant touch you, and if they try, theyll get knocked down and stunned

[tight iron]

damn

[tight iron]

i mean yes but ignoring that 💀

[pseudo slate]

i survived a ram from a carno to the tail

i dont know how

[north quiver]

good troodons are scary lol

120 damage on stage 3 sounds like it’d do 4% of health to a dibble. that’s pretty wild for one pounce especially if you have a pack surrounding and distracting so pounces are guaranteed

[desert arch]

Dont underestimate the rat!

[north quiver]

10 of those suckers skittering around you in the tall grass and shrubs at night and your two eyes and screen can only see so many at a time because there’s not a 360 view

[paper galleon]

fair enough, every time the dibble throws any dino he gets a free alt to the head, if you throw him 3 times you will have hit him 6 times, the teno can also knock him down and no one complains

[paper galleon]

that's the objective, that you really feel the fear, besides, if you're alone, that's the way it is, it's not like they feed off the air

[tall fog]

#general-feedback message @sweet hollow prob longer than that but yeah so true lol xD

[sweet hollow]

That’s the minimum lmao

[tall fog]

💯

[frail prawn]

The game really does need a good balance sweep, its a mess right now...

[inland vigil]

@vale pawn theres already a migration zone there, albeit at the beach. people go up into east plains for the water

though i would prefer if east was more often used. it was really fun once upon a time when it was a hotspot

[vale pawn]

I know

But i want it THERE

[sudden shell]

#general-feedback message
@blissful quartz
im pretty sure the bad nv is only in swamps and is due to a mapping error

[icy lion]

@prime thorn Have you tried tapping X to enable night vision?

[prime thorn]

yes

its still pitch black , not everyone can play in epic mode . idk if its different with different graphics but on low mode its pitch black.

[wintry whale]

@unreal ridge Rule 5 says no animals in duress, if you would kindly remove the example photos so that I don’t annihilate your entire feedback post, that would be appreciated

[unreal ridge]

mb I just deleted the entire post

[wintry whale]

Thank you

[limber hull]

not anymore. nerfed to hell means it will never stand against rex without some significant buffs (or unnerfs)

[hidden mist]

I remind y'all with this masterpiece that we still don't have enough balls in the Swamp :(

[limber hull]

Truly, what is a man without his swamp balls?

[woeful latch]

The isle devs working on all the useless stuff instead of adding balls to the swamps😔😔😔
I’m disappointed😔

[woeful latch]

But jokes aside I wonder what was in the mind of the person that was writing that masterpiece

[limber hull]

swamp balls, obviously

[woeful latch]

I also like how everyone upvoted that

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message For the cleaning out teeth thing allow beipis to do that to deinos for food

[woeful latch]

Ew gross

[marble quail]

Why

Making the relationship between beipi and deino more symbiotic

A mutualistic relationship

The deino barely even needs to eat beipi because of elite fish filling up lines way better than beipi

[limber hull]

Okay but like, they already kinda do

[marble quail]

But adding on to that

[limber hull]

If deino never tries to a attack beipi, beipi won't reveal its location

[marble quail]

And try and bait animals to beipi

Exactly but deino was made to eat beipi so let's fix that

Also beipi better get a buff when spino, bary and sucho are added

Or maybe it won't matter because why would any of these creatures eat beipi consider it's tiny and give very little food, and they will all probably just be friendly

Water gang

[woeful latch]

It’s a game, not a real life.
It’s not even about food, players just kill each other

Deinos kill all the time, not only when they’re hungry

People think it’s a survival game, but in reality it’s a death match lol

[marble quail]

Yeah I know but most aquatic carnis will probably just see beipi as a friend

They don't eat and beipi keeps their location hidden and lures food to them and thus also gets protection from the canris

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message Migration Zones aren't exclusive to species but Patrols are

[icy lion]

I think you're misunderstanding

Neither are exclusive to one species, and that's not what the post is about

[marble quail]

I know but wait Patrols are aren't they or have I misunderstood patrols

[icy lion]

They're not unique to a species or even a group, it can overlap with other players of different species

Migrations appear for your entire species at once, patrols don't

[marble quail]

Ah

[cyan flame]

Sounds like troodon needs a nerf on the damage, why should troodons even go after a dibble, when a solo teno should be about the largest target a full pack should hunt. Though scaling pounces might help out, but it still sounds like troodon has been overtuned now.

[chilly ermine]

I haven’t heard of troos wiping out herds. I think the glass cannon is in the right spot personally. It gets 1 shotted by almost everything.

[limber hull]

Troodon is the god of killing isolated prey. If the target is in a group, it's best for Troodons to avoid said hunt

[cyan flame]

Should still depend a bit on the prey in question, no?

[cyan flame]

Well no, didn't claim they do either, just that I'm not sure troodon should punch up too high even for solo targets, not even in a full pack

[limber hull]

diablo kinda is really good for troodon regardless

big ol' open flanks and low speed

[cyan flame]

It is, and should by all rights be far better of a target for flanking pouncers than the "anti-flanker", but a fully grown dibble is none the less 3T, that's a decent punch up ability to say the least

[lilac bolt]

@gentle rampart do you need to ask to have apexs in officials every day? The devs will add them if they can and are able don't worry

There are a lot of issues and problems that need to be solved with adding apexs into officials and for the mean time they will be in unofficials till the devs can find a way to make them work.

[wooden cipher]

Well whats that issues with apexes

[cyan flame]

How to make them balanced, while ensuring they remain properly apex

[wooden cipher]

Making them unoffical based gonna fix that?

[lilac bolt]

Mainly how powerfull they will be as well as wanting them to be challenging enough to warrant being so strong and I'm sure many other issues with trying to make them work correctly with game and other dinos that'll have to interact with them.

[wooden cipher]

Def no

[lilac bolt]

No that why they'll be on them

[cyan flame]

No, not at all. But unofficial balance is the unofficial servers problem

[lilac bolt]

With Officials being what the devs want the game to be

[cyan flame]

And they concern themselves with official balance, unofficials can go do whatever they want (as we can see with mutations)

[hidden mist]

@toxic terrace I think it’s to secure kills from scavengers in the first minutes. Eventually, after ~3 minutes scent will anyway appear for every corpse. Would’ve been nice to have it in the patchnote so one can say for sure though 🧐

[limber hull]

yea, its 100% intended, not a bug

[marble quail]

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[limber hull]

why is project zomboid linked here

[hidden mist]

Lmao.

It’s like that hidden advertising that says product name out of context

[woeful latch]

lol

[limber hull]

i think he copy and pasted the wrong thing

[unique mirage]

dude prob took a screenshot of his diets, then had to send the link to a friend and forgot about not having the screenshot in copy paste anymore when making the post. And apparently never gave his own post a second look

[limber hull]

unless we're asking if Project Zomboid is abug

[urban flax]

Diets in Project zomboid are kinda bugged tbh

[north quiver]

#general-feedback message it’s not a feature? I honestly thought it was a neat addition because I noticed the bodies only begin smelling when nibbled on by a carnivore or when they haven’t been touched for a little bit

basically giving you time to drag and hide a body somewhere to do something else to ensure you’ll be the one to get organ rights unless something sneaky was watching where you hid your food

[dry falcon]

#general-feedback message
this is caused from the post process messing up the reflections with the dinosaurs

[eternal zinc]

#general-feedback message

[woeful latch]

Tenos claws are good enough wdym

[eternal zinc]

they used to get blood on them when you used the claw attack

[woeful latch]

Oh

Yeah that would be a nice addition

[eternal zinc]

it was super badass

[limber hull]

yea it's not about buffs, just aesthetics

[eternal zinc]

diablo didnt have it originally but it would look super cool

[limber hull]

true as

[pseudo slate]

and when you 3 call it shows the bloody claws

[woeful latch]

Didn’t know that was a thing, I wonder why they removed it