general-feedback-discussion

[zenith hazel]

It’s an exception for omnis. Because uhh, they’re raptors

[limber hull]

so wait

[marble quail]

You really sound like that kid that says that hit didn't get me when playing imagination

[limber hull]

you're fine with omni needing to hit the body to latch onto it

but pinning it is too far

can the rules be consistent

[tight iron]

where did you get this from

you can pounce the tail and latch on

and im fine with it, i said it like 1000 times

[limber hull]

not the tailtip

[zenith hazel]

I could dodge the raptor but I’d still die because it managed to hit the very tip of my tail. Juking them is basically impossible

[tight iron]

latching and pinning are very different

[tight iron]

juking a raptor is very easy

[marble quail]

This is more a problem of the pinning system

[barren crater]

Latency moment and grab attacks. Omni and deino both suck when that happens

[limber hull]

it's only fast, agile and can jump

[tight iron]

you can also move yknow

[limber hull]

slower than it, sure

[zenith hazel]

Yea I know, but I’ve tested this out for myself. A raptor can pin you from the tip of the tail which is just bs

[tight iron]

it's not complicated to dodge a raptor unless youre a big ass thing that has no mobility

[marble quail]

In which case you won't be pinned

[barren crater]

Iirc tail hits don’t count? Could always text to see it though

From the side and then back

[tight iron]

and even then, as a stego you can sometimes dodge them

as a deino... not a chance

but as anything else, not complicated at all

so just dodge the pounce, ez

[limber hull]

how the hell are you missing a stego lol

[tight iron]

average raptor skill

remember that raptors are either absolute tryhards or new players

[zenith hazel]

What does ur average raptors skill have to do with balance

[tight iron]

nothing

[limber hull]

balancing around skill level remains something i dont understand

[tight iron]

never said it

also if you complain about being killed by a no skill ability, uh

if a no skill player is able to kill you with an ability that's easy as hell to avoid, you might suffer from lack of skill as well

[marble quail]

And as a Stego or Deino dying to a raptor you are worse than the average raptor player

[tight iron]

which isnt an insult but a way to encourage you to practice

[tight iron]

if a stego has 20 raptors on him then i can understand

[zenith hazel]

It only becomes a problem when I’m heavily punished from something that should basically be a miss

[tight iron]

a tail shot is not a miss 😭

[zenith hazel]

I still fail to understand the reason as to why raptors should be able to not only invalidate u but do so from the very tip of the tail. No other playable can do that

[zenith hazel]

It has little to no value. I guess location damadge shouldn’t be a thing for raptor.
Click click and you win

[tight iron]

everything else can kill you hitting the tip of your tail

[zenith hazel]

Can they one shot u

[tight iron]

click and you win is how everything in this game works, and the raptor clicks and wins if you let him

[tight iron]

raptor pin isnt a 1 shot

[zenith hazel]

It is

It’s a one shot move

[tight iron]

70% of the times ive been pinned i got away

not a 1 shot

[zenith hazel]

As what

[tight iron]

anything you might think

raptor, small teno, small deino, herrera, small dilo, etc

[marble quail]

I've only been killed by raptor pin as a baby galli

[tight iron]

carno presses rmb and you die

[zenith hazel]

Well I’ve had the opposite experience and so do others most likely

[marble quail]

Like actual hatchling

[tight iron]

teno presses rmb and you die

herrera presses space and you die

[zenith hazel]

Can a carno press RMB at the very tip of the tail and insta kill u?

[tight iron]

doesnt mean it's a 1 shot

[tight iron]

raptor pin is not a 1 shot

[zenith hazel]

Define one shot

[tight iron]

insta kill

a death you have no chance of escaping

requiring only 1 attack to 100% surely die

[zenith hazel]

Not insta kill. It’s a move that like u just said requires one attack

[tight iron]

for example a stego being 1 shot means that if the attacker hits the stego, the stego is 100% die

[tight iron]

yeah but it's not a 100% death move

you can get away from it

so the way i usually avoid pins is i just use terrain and wasd

[zenith hazel]

Yea no the chances of doing so are slim. You could pin a galli and get away with 30% of ur stam left

[tight iron]

teh galli can run away tho

[tight iron]

most of the times, raptors die to fall damage cause i juke them and they fall off a cliff

[marble quail]

Epic

[tight iron]

and if they dont and i get pinned down, since the raptor wasted so much stamina, he only gets 3 seconds of damaging me till he's out of stam

and then i just get away

[zenith hazel]

It can but let’s say a raptor comes at you from the sides. It kinda misses and hits the tip of the tail and now ur dead

[tight iron]

well i could've ran away

i should've known better and checked my sides

[zenith hazel]

Mate it came out of a bush. Stop trying to justify the raptor basically missing. It should’ve aimed better

[tight iron]

nuh uh

[zenith hazel]

😭

[tight iron]

my fault for not knowing he was there

theres a reason why last time i got pinned was months ago

i take my precautions unlike most people

[barren crater]

Omni should be nerfed ! I think it will be funny

[marble quail]

You should've heard it

[tight iron]

as a small thing such as herrera

[barren crater]

Any Omni nerf is fun to see 😁

But seriously Omni pin is a non issue. Latency is most of the problem

[tight iron]

nailed it

you get pinned from a million km away cause the ping is ass

[zenith hazel]

The thing is. I did, I dodged it but still got punished because it managed to pounce my tail

[tight iron]

then you didnt dodge it 🤔

[barren crater]

But at that point every ability is op

[marble quail]

So you didn't dodge it

[zenith hazel]

I did. Tailshot is basically a miss they’re not supposed to be rewarding lmao

[marble quail]

Literally just dark souls it didn't hit me logic

[barren crater]

Nah that isn’t what happened on their end

[tight iron]

not supposed to be rewarding but they actually are rewarding 🤔

[zenith hazel]

True but they can do that, I’ve tested it

[tight iron]

maybe they are actually supposed to be somewhat rewarding

[barren crater]

If you saw a tail pounce on your end, it was a body on theirs

[zenith hazel]

Let ceratos one tap omnis on the tip of the tail.
Let carnos one tap omnis on the tip of the tail
Let tenos one tap omnis on the tip of the tail

“But-but it’s not the same”

[tight iron]

let everything 1 tap on the tip of the tail at this point 😭

[zenith hazel]

I mean yea, screw locational damadge

[tight iron]

yes

[zenith hazel]

The tail should be made a critical spot🔥

[tight iron]

i agree

[zenith hazel]

Nah I’ve pounced things on the tail myself as a raptor

[tight iron]

considering how buggy pounce is i dont know what to tell you

ive pounced through things that i clearly hit

[zenith hazel]

Pin isn’t that buggy

[marble quail]

Whenever I pounce I rubberband

And that's playing on AU servers as an Aussie

Oh here's an example that just nicely appeared

[zenith hazel]

But anyways we’ve come to the conclusion that location damadge shouldn’t be something for omnis to consider. Every place they hit should do critical damadge because they’re omniraptors. They do what they want

https://tenor.com/view/snarl-blue-velociraptor-jurassic-world-dominion-growl-gif-26432461

[tight iron]

wrong but if that's the conclusion you wanna come to then well freedom of speech n thought i suppose

[marble quail]

That's a Jurassic Parkly accurate Velociraptor

[zenith hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/or-yehuda-edgy-or-yehuda-edgelord-gif-25925736

[zenith hazel]

Wdym wrong. You were advocating the argument of omnis should be able to pin you from anywhere and locational damadge shouldn’t be relevant when pinning. It’s just death

[tight iron]

yes but not just because they're raptors

[marble quail]

Oh get over yourself you died and you posted a angry nerf post

[tight iron]

💀

[zenith hazel]

Very empirical argument I must admit

[zenith hazel]

You still haven’t given me a valid reason as to why locational damadge shouldn’t be a thing for raptors

[limber hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/568284971337252866/1280510630318833694/caption.gif?ex=66e38cb5&is=66e23b35&hm=b9cbe0e96d4d653db706c50e33e2283dcb7d0aaf70bc242201d63b7ea4347689&

[marble quail]

I don't think it shouldn't be a thing for raptors I think it should be better done

[zenith hazel]

Elaborate

[marble quail]

I think it makes that a raptor catches you because it pounces you and grabs your tail

I think there should be better facture systems and it kinda to explain but I think better hitboxes and separate hitboxes for a good amount of the dino

[zenith hazel]

Ah yes a raptor holding down prey from the very tip of the tail while not even making any contact with the victims body whatsoever is realistic

[marble quail]

Ah yes a tail isn't part of the body

[zenith hazel]

Are you serious

[barren crater]

I do think Omni should be a bit punished for missing pounce at least. Maybe a “miss pounce” cost

15% stam cost if they miss

[marble quail]

tbh I'm too tired to actually argue this

[zenith hazel]

Pinning someone from the tip of the tail is not possible☠️

[zenith hazel]

Mutual feelings

[barren crater]

What were you playing btw

[marble quail]

Grab it pull them towards you and pin from there

[zenith hazel]

Raptors don’t do that though and realistically speaking a galli or anything in the 300+ range could prevent it from happening

[zenith hazel]

When I died to them? Multiple things

[marble quail]

Ehh

[zenith hazel]

Herrera, galli, juvi cera etc

[barren crater]

Galli is much lighter than it should be tbf

[marble quail]

Also you think that Utahraptor is gonna be brought into envirma as a separate dino

Maybe feathered

[barren crater]

Omni is also lighter than its in game hp suggests

[zenith hazel]

Not by that MUCH

[tight iron]

have you ever done martial arts

[zenith hazel]

Yea

[tight iron]

specifically those revolving around grappling poeple

[marble quail]

I do Judo

[tight iron]

same

[barren crater]

It’s like 375kg or something like that iirc

Galli is 510kg

[zenith hazel]

Huh

[marble quail]

This might be hard to explain considering humans don't have tails

[tight iron]

if i was able to get a good grip around your nose i'd take you to the ground

or your ear

pinning smth down from the tip of the tail is very much possible

[zenith hazel]

Ears are weak spot though and far more fragile than the tip of your tail

[tight iron]

specially something smaller than you

[tight iron]

tryna explain it in human terms

[zenith hazel]

You wouldn’t be able to maul me like omnis do tho. They’re not even stable when pinning😭😂

[tight iron]

also ive lived around animals for my whole life

[zenith hazel]

It’s hard to because animals are very diffrent

[tight iron]

grabbing a 50kg beast dog from the tip of the tail is very much possible

[zenith hazel]

Oh and adrenaline is a thing

[tight iron]

the hunter also has it

[zenith hazel]

Not as much

[tight iron]

he's still got a ton and he's bigger

[marble quail]

Hoomans animals

[tight iron]

if you really have fought, you'd know that you can go insane

[marble quail]

Mammals specifically

[tight iron]

it feels like you go insane and lose control of yourself due to how crazy you are getting

adn then you obviously win the fight

[limber hull]

goodness

[limber hull]

galli (should be) 510kg

[zenith hazel]

I’ve fought many times. And pinning someone while raking their flanks with your legs is just not possible. That’s what omnis do and they’re not stable

[tight iron]

15% stam cost for something this stam reliant is not a good idea

[marble quail]

Yeah that is a bit steep

[limber hull]

15% is bad enough on stego

[tight iron]

are you sure about that

[zenith hazel]

Omnis don’t need to get rewarded from a tailshot why are u so against that

[tight iron]

cause it's dumb imo

[zenith hazel]

Ye very positive

[tight iron]

a tail shot is rewarding

[tight iron]

well then you would be surprised by what ive done ig

[bronze nymph]

Yeah i think a tailshot being able to Pin is a Bit broken

[zenith hazel]

By deleting 2 hours of progress?

[marble quail]

Right I'm out of this hopefully we can just stop soon and agree to disagree

[tight iron]

you can actually delete more

[zenith hazel]

Thank you, I lost faith in humanity for a second there

[tight iron]

a carno spamming ram on a cera tail will end up killing him

[zenith hazel]

Then carnos should be able yo ken tap omnis on the tail don’t u think

[tight iron]

how bout deinos being able to 1 tap stegos on the tail

[zenith hazel]

Mf

[tight iron]

should we go for that as well

[zenith hazel]

Yea because the stego would have to actively put itself in that situation for it to even occur☠️

Like you’re asking for it at that point yk

[tight iron]

yes

anyways uh

the reason im not against being able to pin something down from the tip of the tail is cause it makes sense

[zenith hazel]

Your analogi dosent make sense

[zenith hazel]

You’re saying that it’s realistic

[tight iron]

you are acting like every attack is the exact same thing

thats my issue

each attack is different

thats why when you ask if carnos should be able to 1 tap raptors at the tail i dont answer

[zenith hazel]

No but every attack dosent contradict core things

[tight iron]

pinning smth down from the tip of the tail doesnt either

[zenith hazel]

Do you do martial arts

[tight iron]

no

most martial arts cant be practiced without someone else

[zenith hazel]

Ik, accidentally typed that

[tight iron]

im sure you havent lunged an animal after grabbing the tip of its tail

[tight iron]

yes

ive done about 10-15 different things

[zenith hazel]

Would you be able to grapple down an animal by its tail only

[tight iron]

specifically judo where i was a master at grappling and im a black belt and other ancient weapon related martial arts

[tight iron]

grab its tail and keep going

[zenith hazel]

Suure

[tight iron]

getting the tip of the tail is only to slow it down a bit so that you can get the entire thing

[zenith hazel]

And it’s gonna let u do that

[tight iron]

absolutely not

but if it's smaller than me i just wouldnt care about it

[zenith hazel]

No point in this discussion tbh

[tight iron]

probably

[indigo gulch]

As someone who likes to play omni, usually when you pin from the tail its either the side where it gets registered as a body hit when you aim more towards that part of the body or comign from behind and jump in length where you then hit the body hitbox with the tip of of your pounce hitbox. Personally think the game should take into account which hitbox was hit the most and then decided what happens, pin or no. (but im not a programmer so I cant really say for sure)

But pinning from hitting the tail is dumb and def should not be a thing. Same with a lot of other mechanics tbf

[warm blaze]

@unkempt comet your idea is good for the RP but unfortunately the community on the servers mix pack and kills just to kill it's sad

[strange seal]

has the Pteranodon always been this bad on stamina? Fly 100 feet and im out of stamina

[tight iron]

not always

[strange seal]

its absolutly terrible ! id say barley playable with it how it is , unless you stay next to the river fly 10 feet eat and sleep

[tight iron]

i agree

[strange seal]

do you know if they plan on fixing this ?

[tight iron]

ive absolutely no idea

[mild isle]

#general-feedback message Reasoning I’m disagreeing with this is I find it hard to land an omni pounce on smaller things as it is- not to mention as someone who frequently plays “the smaller roster” the pounce is dodgable usually and in the case of Troodon and Herrea (both being good Dinos to kill Omnis) I feel it’s needed because I have NEVER managed to kill a Troodon without pouncing it. Even if you bite it once it just runs away and you never see it again xd

[barren crater]

@tight iron I get it now. I was wrong 🙏

[limber hull]

simply shoulda countered the dilo

[tight iron]

wat

what's the context sir

[barren crater]

Might have got you confused with someone else I think

I was discussing omni being busted a few days ago i think and someone was talking about dilo

[tight iron]

hmm probably

[waxen moss]

can Dilo Hallucinations spawn and bite you when you're in water? in the Horde test

[gloomy thicket]

4 downvotes on baby deino being able to catch one of its main food sources that gives it a diet, lmao: Clearly done by people who've died to them within the last 24 hours

[limber hull]

i haven't died to them in literal months but i still don't agree lol

[hidden mist]

Why is Discord mobile app so crooked my gosh… Video doesn’t load for me :(

[gloomy thicket]

Explain to me why you think baby fresh spawn deinos shouldn't have small fish on their diet, and be reduced to only having 1 nutrient until they're 20%?

Because I have been chasing elite fisg for thirty minutes. I've drained my stamina 3 times

[unique mirage]

cant you eat frogs?

or did they remove them from the diet

[gloomy thicket]

If you can find frogs*

[unique mirage]

yeah AI in general is kinda ehh

might get lucky and a fish beaches itself tho

[gloomy thicket]

plus, not being able to get a perfect diet from the get go due to skill or luck

[unique mirage]

try to always chase them to land

[gloomy thicket]

nope, I've been trying for thirty minutes: The hordetest has clearly fixed their pathing

[unique mirage]

damn

[gloomy thicket]

They always hit an invidible wall

Not to MENTION I'm BLIND half the time because underwater NV sucks now???

NV btw, 5pm

[unkempt comet]

@cyan smelt you can turn chat off in the settings

[faint folio]

To be fair, carnivores already have this in the form of organs. And honestly I personally subscribe to the idea that the game shouldn't be prescribing a diet to you that you are forced to follow, but rather your abilities make certain prey choices easier or harder. And the more difficult prey could then give better nutrients or multiple nutrients to provide payoff for challenge. This could be done on an animal by animal basis, so that for example teno is not a super great meal for a carno, but Utahs might provide protein and fat (or whatever they determine is sufficient reward). Utah's on the other hand, might get only carbs from a dryo, but could get all 3 diets from a teno or stego to incentivize pack hunting. The way Green hell works, all food gives at least one macro, but some is higher value (for example, turtle meat might give 10 protein, but capybara meat gives 20 protein and 5 fat. So you're guided into doing more difficult gathering tasks, and asked to prioritize what food to take with you)

[mild isle]

Small fish is on their diet but it’s an unlockable thing- essentially you can catch small fish, put them on the shore, and I believe you wait around 7 minutes then if you eat them they give hexagons

[gloomy thicket]

what kind of.... broken thing is that???

[mild isle]

NO idea XD but it exists for a fact

[icy lion]

Deino gains nutrients from rotten food

AI food can rot

[cosmic storm]

Holy 500 Ping!

[willow elm]

with 31ppl xd

[cosmic storm]

I have achieved floating

[cosmic storm]

Seriously, insane

lmao

[gloomy thicket]

I waited 7 minutes and they just despawned, nice troll

[radiant nest]

Schooling fish despawn in 10 minutes, so you waited 10 minutes

[tight iron]

it's not a troll

leave them outside for about 5-7 minutes and then eat them

they despawn pretty quick so watch out

[gloomy thicket]

Right right

[mild isle]

Also make sure you’re playing on official obviously, not sure if unofficials can change when things despawn ik they can wipe bodies but not sure about AI bodies

[mild isle]

Ik you did not read everything I put that fast lmao

[tight iron]

they cant wipe bodies

[mild isle]

Look at Zooming Islander, they do it all the time

[tight iron]

oh yeah but im talking about an admin panel thing

in those servers they have coded their way in to do that

[unique mirage]

they can just leave the eggs incubated and dont accept any invites tho

[mild isle]

Yeah I was just making sure they weren’t playing on one of those servers yk xd

[mild isle]

There was once a feature where eggs rotted and died so I hope they’ll bring that back!

[tight iron]

it is still here

[unique mirage]

takes a while tho

[tight iron]

yus

[unique mirage]

and having the buff a bit longer with the drawback of losing food to your children? idk

[mild isle]

It can also be an area type deal- like if they make a nest at west rail the buff obviously won’t shift over to south plains

[unique mirage]

they should get the buff with atleast 2 nested babies imo

[mild isle]

That also works- although it should likely wear off at some point in the offsprings growth stage

[unique mirage]

just let it stay for 15-30 minutes

[mild isle]

Yeah that’s easier, I also had other ideas for the main suggestion but we go one at a time xd

[unique mirage]

i imagine basing that off your offsprings growth / logged in status might be hard

[mild isle]

You’re right, I just figured since the group system could tell when offspring reached Juvi and kick them from in game group if max that it could also tell when they reached a stage and remove the buff

[unique mirage]

only problem i see here (but min-maxers will exist nevertheless) either the parents kill the babies and still have the buff and create a new one (if its in minutes) OR the parents pick one baby that doesnt get any diets and thus takes 20 hours to grow, giving them a really long lasting damage buff

but i agree parents need to get SOMETHING

[mild isle]

Tbh I’m not sure why people hated the lower gestation times. I’d like something better for the parents obviously but that seems like the most realistic and easiest thing we could get

[mild isle]

Hear me out- we already have unlockable mutations but what if there were additional unlockable mutations only able to be gained from nesting? If you go about with the tasks of raising your children you could get up to 3 (?) additional mutations just like your offspring.. but the only thing I can think of for that is if you feed your offspring about 15 times perhaps it gives some sort of food mutation- but we already have lose less food and lose less diet :/

It could potentially not only encourage people to nest but to also take care of their kids xd

[wooden agate]

with 60 people :D

[stone hatch]

this guy just unironicallly said pounce takes more skill than herrera jump.

[tight iron]

yeah cause it does

[agile stirrup]

if the target is moving then yeah, but if you just wait until someone is standing still that’s just patience

[tight iron]

the reason herrera jump takes less skill than a pounce is because, when you run up to someone as a raptor, you make noise, herreras don't, when you run up to someone as a raptor most of the times you can be seen (unless both are in a bush), most of the times you cant see the herrera (perfect camo), raptors have frontcheck and have to watch out for alt bites or if the prey sees them, herreras simply hold right click, press space and that's it, land wherever you want, doesn't matter

but most people, specifically the ones screaming raptor too op plz nerf raptor takes no skill will never understand this

the only time in which herrera jump takes skill is when the target is moving, and it still takes more skill to land a pounce on something that is moving than jumping on it as a herrera

[cyan flame]

If you just run up to someone in the open, that's not at all a point specific to raptor. You could make that argument for any playable, even carno with current charge. Herrera is far more reliant upon calculating trajectory, and jumping at just the right time. It also can not course correct, at all. The omni meanwhile can literally readjust at pretty much any point. Pounce is still almost as mindlessly easy as it's always been. Having a front check doesn't change much cause well, why run up in plain sight of something, that does not seem reasonable.

[tight iron]

i never said pounce takes a lot of skill

[cyan flame]

It does not take skill to land a pounce, as either pouncer. The ability is and has always been stupidly easy due to the playable being able to adjust for anything, and being able to basically pounce from point blank, against targets that can not outrun most of the time.

[tight iron]

and you also gotta calculate the trajectory as a raptor

[cyan flame]

Well, it takes more to land a herrera jump, even deino in a sense takes more planning, hilariously enough

[tight iron]

not even close

every calculation you make as a herrera, you also make as a raptor, but with added risks and more calculations

[cyan flame]

You really don't, you can pounce from almost point blank, so unless they've added some kind of delay, you have no trajectory to speak of

[tight iron]

that's why herrera jump takes less skill

[cyan flame]

What risk? You miss as omni, no problem. You miss as herrera, much greater risk.

[tight iron]

the risk isnt missing

[cyan flame]

Seriously, any calculations you might need to do goes away due to speed and agility

[tight iron]

also herreras have less risk

the risk is getting alt bit in the face by a cera who heard you coming

[cyan flame]

Not when it comes to their attack, they don't. Overall, sure, survival wise herreras are safer by far. But not for the attack

[cyan flame]

You can run circles around it

[tight iron]

that itself takes more skill than straight up boinging on the prey like herreras do

[stone hatch]

this is the same as saying a fully automatic shotgun takes more skill than a precision rifle

[tight iron]

nothing here is a fully automatic shotgun

[cyan flame]

It baffles me to no end how people struggle landing pounces when you got all the speed and agility to use it with no risks or anything

[tight iron]

amazing question

[stone hatch]

well you have a close range attack that requires no aim at all if you are close enough, with no risk if you miss

[tight iron]

i dont get why either

[tight iron]

herrera jump has no risk if you miss either

[cyan flame]

It really is, considering the only time, only time, I struggled, was during the "only flank works" moments, and even then, I tested with some people. I still was on my way to learn the teno "turn dance" and land pounces, even at that point. And that was with me not having touched omni for ages, and one testing session.

[stone hatch]

thats just extremely insane to say bro

[tight iron]

what's the worst that can happen? a tree isn't 1cm away from you and you gotta run for 3 mroe seconds?

[unique mirage]

thing is herrera is one and done, omni can just try again

[cyan flame]

But herrera risks more than omni if it misses

[stone hatch]

you becom a fish out of water, slower and smaller than literally everything you might be pouncing

[cyan flame]

Dies easier, is not faster/more agile really, and needs a tree to escape properly

Omni misses, keeps running

[stone hatch]

as herrera when you miss you are jumping into the shark infested water.

[unique mirage]

its like deino, you miss the ambush and if the prey has 1 braincell its not gonna let you try again

[cyan flame]

Won't get hit, won't get caught unless you're after a galli or carno

[tight iron]

yeah but you aint dying

thats the thing

if you miss, he aint gonna react in a milisecond

[stone hatch]

herrera is by far the highest risk ability in the game

[tight iron]

ive seen very crazy things here

but that is in the podium

im playing herrera rn and it is literally the easiest playable

[stone hatch]

you are an absolute sitting duck man literally slower than everything and a one-two shot on the ground

[tight iron]

you run at 45 km/h

that is faster than most things

and yes you're one-two shot on the ground cause if you aint in the ground nothing can kill you besides other herreras

[stone hatch]

yeah its extremely easy to survive as undoubtedly, but once you miss a pounce you are in more danger than a missed raptor pounce

more in danger than a missed any other ability in the game besides maybe pachy ram

[tight iron]

nah

just nah

you take 3 seconds to go back tot he surface you came from, thats just no danger

unless you jumped 6 raptors and now you gotta dodge em

[stone hatch]

true but during that 3 seconds you are a sitting duck

omni has no time where its a sitting duck

[tight iron]

if you get staggered youre pretty much dead

but that's cause you jumped from too high

[stone hatch]

besides if you just hit a tree like an idiot instead of getting off

[tight iron]

im talking about a normal jump not a too high up one

[stone hatch]

when both are played optimally, no too high of falls or no hitting against trees, herrera is in more danger after a missed pounce.

[tight iron]

i would argue that no

[austere delta]

on unofficial ?

[tight iron]

but im not gonna say oooh raptors are in so much danger after missing a pounce

[unique mirage]

pointless argument tbh

[tight iron]

(they really arent)

but a herrera that jumps you from an optimal height is in zero danger

unless what you jumped is a carno with pitbull complex

[stone hatch]

theres a reason why herrera jump is so much higher reward than raptor pounce and thats because its simply just harder to land and more risky

[tight iron]

no sir

not harder to land

[stone hatch]

dude

[tight iron]

the reason it's so much higher reward is because dondi likes funny tree deino

[unique mirage]

its totally situational

[tight iron]

danger from above yknow

[stone hatch]

you run up to something and right click vs. you aim from long distance

you are literally saying its harder to aim a shotgun than it is to aim a sniper rifle

[tight iron]

this

[stone hatch]

thats just false in concept

[unique mirage]

does the prey know you are there? herrera becomes impossible to play

[tight iron]

my good sir you are saying it's harder to aim a guided missile than an assault rifle

aint true at all

[stone hatch]

the further something is the more difficult it is to land, and herrera is requires a level of distance. therefore it is always further distance than pounce therefore always harder to land

just based on pure aim

[tight iron]

idk where that logic comes from

but my man that's just stupid

[stone hatch]

distance = difficulty when it comes to aiming

the further an object is will never mean it gets easier, its a variable that always means more added difficulty

[tight iron]

if more range = more difficulty then imma get a sniper quickscope someone from 100m and call it the most skillful play in the game

[unique mirage]

herrera is a damn gun and omni is a knife, they have nothing in common

[tight iron]

^^

is it easier to shoot someone or to stab him

clearly it's easier to shoot someone

wlel tbf that's not a great example

[stone hatch]

literally just because you need the added effort of running up to them

[tight iron]

cause herreras have to actually touch the prey

so dont mind what i just said, it makes no sense

[stone hatch]

look what im saying is that if you are throwing an object at a target, it getting closer will ALWAYS mean a higher chance of success, whilst it getting further will ALWAYS mean a LOWER chance of success

[tight iron]

the thing is, not actually

a herrera is a sniper rifle with a scope that does the calculations for you, so you only need to position yourself and shoot

[stone hatch]

there is more travel time, more time for the target to move, and it simply takes more preciscion

[tight iron]

a raptor is like a madman with a knife

[unique mirage]

your main point is also heavy situational tbh, what if your prey doesnt hear you coming? easy pounce

[tight iron]

you have to get close before performing the attack

[tight iron]

oh yeah no absolutely

easiest pounce ever if that happens

but the fact that you have to get close before attacking is what makes it more dangerous

[unique mirage]

dangerous, yes harder, no

[tight iron]

you have to make all the calculations a herrera has to make with a few more, and with the added risk of being attacked before you get to perform your attack

[unique mirage]

higher risk doesnt make it harder

[tight iron]

it's higher risk and harder at the same time

never said higher risk makes it harder by definition

[unique mirage]

no but it is what you are saying

[stone hatch]

okay lets have this example: you have a knife. If you hit the target you will win money. But the target has a chance to move. Would you rather option A: throw the knife from 5 meters away but you get a visual indicator of where it will land, OR option B: walk up to the target and stab? You cannot seriously sit here and say you would pick option A. There is simply more room for error in that case.

[tight iron]

a

straight up a

[stone hatch]

dude.

[tight iron]

free hit with absolutely no risk of being caught

im taking it

[cyan flame]

I doubt it, probably purely the "can't try again if fail", something omni can keep doing.

[stone hatch]

all it takes is walking up and stabbing

[tight iron]

yeah but he might hear me and counter attack me

[boreal nymph]

Dibble speeds can keep with a Cera is laughable, giant potato is too fast

[stone hatch]

you choose a random chance of missing over walking

[tight iron]

imma play it safe and throw it to him

[tight iron]

huh

[stone hatch]

thats just an F in probability and statistics class man idk what to tell you

[unique mirage]

literally noone of us is going to change their view so imma just leave it xd have a good one guys

[tight iron]

with a visual indicator of where it will land means basically 99% chance of succeeding

if i miss i just run away

im not taking any chances at getting close

[stone hatch]

if the target has a chance to move the visual indicator doesn't mean a guarantee

[tight iron]

yeah the dibble was cheating

[cyan flame]

Honestly no idea what calculations you need to do to pounce. You pounce in a straight line, you just need to be more or less next to the target, which is very easy to be at all times really.

[tight iron]

i mean sure, but, hell, why would i risk getting close when i can almost get a guaranteed

[stone hatch]

walking up and stabbing does, you are physically placing yourself in a way in which the ONLY thing that can happen is winning money

you are losing your money bruh

[tight iron]

getting close is way too dangerous

[tight iron]

im keeping my life tho

[stone hatch]

risk getting close? you are faster and more agile than every dino except for one

[tight iron]

im not gonna get close and get counter attacked

id rather just play it safe and do it from a distance

[cyan flame]

The only thing is that herrera jump has a target indicator, but the jump itself is more risky, as is the landing, compared to any pounce

[stone hatch]

and you are laughably more agile than that one

[tight iron]

yeah but if i get punched in the face it's game over

[stone hatch]

the same can be said, if the target is missed you have the same chance

[tight iron]

if i miss he knows im there so i lose the element of surprise

[stone hatch]

statistically speaking, the probability of hitting in option B is objectively more likely than in option A. If you pick option A, you are reducing your chances of winning money

[tight iron]

no, not really

the person im tryna stab might turn around at any second or hear me

so, statistically speaking, throwing the knife with 100% accuracy is the best option

[tight iron]

you have to know the pounce distance, make sure there's no obstacles in the way, get a clear shot and make sure it's not the face

not many but not zero either

[cyan flame]

But you don't have any more accuracy in one or the other cases, all you have is a visual indicator, that you don't need for pounce because it's just a nice, simple jump forward

[tight iron]

with herrera, you position yourself in a good spot, you hold right click to know where you're gonna land and press space

[cyan flame]

You can pounce right next to a target, more or less. There's little distance involved, you can't really miss unless you're trying to pounce from the very edge, and why would you. You can get close at little to no risk. As for obstacles, at least omni can get around them, herrera can't half as easily. And well, why would you pounce the face, that'd let the target see you. Not sure why that would be part of it, the only times that really applied was vs stego that couldn't do much to avoid or prevent it.

It really just comes down to the risk if/when missing, and the ability to readjust on the fly

If you can do the latter, there's almost nothing to it, things become very easy

[agile stirrup]

bro herra does not have more risk than raptor 😭 herra only jumps unless it has a direct line to escape after trying prey, unless you just don’t think about it and make dumb decisions. playing raptor ive died way more than playing herra combat wise because it’s literally in the play style.

wild dogs get hurt, wounded and die way more than birds of prey hunting squirrels and snakes

[tight iron]

im pretty sure you haven't fully grasped what i said

and also, while flying after pouncing, you can't readjust

[cyan flame]

Maybe not. But like, I really don't see how you can consider omni to somehow have a riskier attack than herrera, it just doesn't make any sense

[cyan flame]

If you die as omni, that's entirely on you

[tight iron]

im talking about skill, not risk

[agile stirrup]

raptors have to worry about a lot more variables. like if i pounce this am i on uneven ground and will i break my legs? will i fall off a cliff or get countered by a tree or rock, and even if you do have a rock to escape on its not guaranteed you get on it before getting punished

[tight iron]

^^

[agile stirrup]

literally the same thing can be said about any other playable… what

[cyan flame]

You have the speed and agility to never worry about anything

[cyan flame]

No, because it's the speed and agility that makes for much less skill needed

[agile stirrup]

herra can climb any surface in the game it’s life on easy mode

[lucid mauve]

Survival is easy, not killing

[cyan flame]

Right, but we're talking about the attack itself

[tight iron]

speed and agility make little difference here

[agile stirrup]

not really tbh like yeah in theory that could work if it wasn’t the isle we’re talking about playing

[cyan flame]

It makes all the difference, that's the thing

[tight iron]

if the attack is in a straight line as you said, why does agility matter

[cyan flame]

Because you can get to a point where you can not miss, or be at risk, very easily

[agile stirrup]

herra youtubers prove that wrong

[cyan flame]

Due to being able to adjust, and that's the thing

[cyan flame]

Not sure why it'd be different cause it's this game?

[tight iron]

the fact that you are close already adds more risk than suddenly appearing from the trees

[agile stirrup]

oh idk… fps, lag, glitches and if you actually come across a good opponent agility will not keep you alive

[cyan flame]

Right, but we can't count bad performance or bugs, since we judge things based on how the playable and thing work, not if it works as it should or not

[cyan flame]

Sure, but there's more risk overall for herrera, because you can get close with less risk as omni overall

[agile stirrup]

which is where my last sentence comes in

[tight iron]

wrong

[cyan flame]

Well, if you're good, you won't be touched, so agility will keep you alive

[tight iron]

you getting close already makes it more risky than sniping him from the trees where you can't be seen

[cyan flame]

Can't die if you can't get hit after all

[agile stirrup]

i mean if this is the hill you wanna die on, but it’s just not true 😂

[cyan flame]

I'd agree if omni was also slow/inagile

[tight iron]

herrera is fast and agile

[cyan flame]

Literally is true, but sure, if you don't think so, that's on you

[cyan flame]

Not as much as omni is, last I heard at least

[tight iron]

turn rate is pretty much the same as raptor, 45km/h instead of 46.8

[unique mirage]

this is still going? guys in a vacuum herreras ability is harder to hit on a moving target, thats a fact. Adding the risk of being close, adds RISK not added skill needed to hit the pounce. You need skill to dodge incoming attacks and retaliate with a pounce but thats something else.

[agile stirrup]

even good youtubers if invest so much time making actual raptor tech still get hit and die

[tight iron]

small, fast, nimble, etc

so yes both are extremely agile

[cyan flame]

"good youtubers", I sincerely doubt they're half as good as you think, if they somehow still get hit and die

[unique mirage]

literally all risks

[agile stirrup]

on a moving target but how many people actually even try moving targets. most herras just wait until someone stops

[lucid mauve]

Its like complaing about rex killed you as omni, without a risk. Cus you walked beside the bush he stood in

[agile stirrup]

😭😭😭😭 okay mr. perfect i never die in isle combat

[cyan flame]

Pretty much all risks are negated by the fact that you can adjust for them at any time, quickly and easily

[tight iron]

can you adjust the fact that he saw you

[unique mirage]

and raptors can also pounce non moving targets. Add other variables and its different altogether

[tight iron]

can you adjust the fact that if you pounce youre gonna fall off a cliff

[cyan flame]

Sure, except that's not what I said. I'm merely pointing out that speed and agility is what makes the difference

[agile stirrup]

that makes no sense when you have a teno camping a rock or water, how do you adjust that

[tight iron]

it's just you defending something that is untrue right now

[cyan flame]

Yes, yes you can. You can turn, move, and so on, very easily

[tight iron]

that's why what you say makes little sense

[tight iron]

okay so you can make him forget you exist

[cyan flame]

Does that have anything to do with landing a pounce?

[agile stirrup]

implications of your entire side of the debate but sure cool

[cyan flame]

I mean, yes. If I see that "Oh, this is a bad angle", I can very quickly change that, and pounce from a slightly different angle

[agile stirrup]

yes? it’s combat and raptors rely on being able to consistently pounce

[cyan flame]

What?

[tight iron]

no cause you cant make him tp away so you can get an easy pounce

if he's on terrain that it's not safe to pounce (pretty much half the map), you don't pounce

agility wont make you be able to get someone away from a cliff

[cyan flame]

Right, but that, still, does not change how easy it is to land a pounce, and how easy it is to adjust for any potential mistakes you might be doing

[agile stirrup]

you said that’s not what you said, but there are implications of you being the perfect combat player since anyone else who dies it’s just a skill issue lol

[unique mirage]

you also wouldnt jump on a teno in a corner as herrera if it knows you are there, yall are talking in circles

[cyan flame]

Now you're basically just going "well, if they're in a defensible spot you can't pounce them"

[tight iron]

i never said if he knows

if he doesn't know, it's still a no go

[cyan flame]

Not at all. I can merely look at stats and know how they work in game, that's all.

[tight iron]

if you make a mistake the pounce is ruined

[agile stirrup]

sure buddy

[tight iron]

with the pounce i mean the ambush pounce

[agile stirrup]

wha?

[cyan flame]

Yes, indeed so

[tight iron]

youre gonna have to get a mid combat pounce

[cyan flame]

How so? You can't keep running and try again a moment later?

[tight iron]

if your prey has literally 0 iq then yes

[agile stirrup]

he forgot about stam conservation 😭😭

[tight iron]

if i see a raptor tryna pounce me and hten he runs away aint no way im saying "nah nothing happened"

im gonna watch my back, the ambush is ruined

so now they gotta show themselves and begin a fight with a ruined element of surprise, which is what raptors are awesome at

[cyan flame]

Oh, we're specifically talking ambush now? Well then any ambush is the same, nothing specific to omni

[tight iron]

we were talking about ambush the entire time

[cyan flame]

But omni has far superior capabilities to follow up than herrera or deino for example

[unique mirage]

how cant you guys see that you are defending the skill a raptor needs in a fight because you see the risks (which is completely valid, but combat skill in general) and erik is saying that the ability to hit the jump obviously needs more skill, since you need to aim the damn thing

[tight iron]

not the 1 tap in some cases tho

well tbf wth am i saying yes it does

[cyan flame]

Not at all, but that does not really matter for any point here, unless we're talking some kind of endurance hunt or something. Where even so, omni can at least follow better than some others

[tight iron]

ignore what i said

[agile stirrup]

you just can’t convince me herra needs skill when aiming is just jumping on a still target lmaoo

like yall are not trick-shotting these jumps pleaseee

[tight iron]

LMAO

the trickshotting herrera

[agile stirrup]

LMAOOO

[lucid mauve]

Raptor has skill ? Great speed great agility great stam, can pick and choose 90% if the fights ingame. Maybe it shoudl require some skill

[unique mirage]

ayo 360s look sick

[cyan flame]

Basically, what I am saying is the following: A playable that has speed, agility, and a "nonpunishing" move (no stun on miss on pounce, you just keep going), can easily adjust for any potential mistake, during an engagement. That, by itself, makes the playable take less skill, due to not having to worry about being "open" due to a bait, in the same way as others. If we're specifically talking ambush, then it's pretty much the same for all, and if we're talking follow up ability, then obviously an omni can do better than herrera and deino (being better examples of pure ambush hunters at that)

[tight iron]

nothing takes skill in this game

genuine crazy skill? nothing

[agile stirrup]

this is the way

[tight iron]

but you can be a stupid ass person like me and try to solo a dibble as a raptor and die miserably

[cyan flame]

This does not mean that you can somehow adjust for a deino going into water, or something like that, or someone climbing up a tree. But you can adjust for using your main mechanic very easily where it is applicable.

[tight iron]

but nothing in this game takes crazy skill

[lucid mauve]

Sorta yea, but then i will be playing omni cus i can pick and choose my fights. That is a luxery

[agile stirrup]

deino especially takes no skill i aint even reading allat

[tight iron]

yeah it is a luxury

[cyan flame]

Right you are. But the more speed and agility your playable has, the less skill it requires

Though to be fair, teno tends to take some skill

Diablo might these days, if it's agility got nerfed badly?

[unique mirage]

i agree to omni needing more skill in fights but the pounce in itself does not require any skill at all

[cyan flame]

Fair, though I did specifiy ability to follow up on an ambush that you fail, which deino can't really do

[tight iron]

nothing takes skill

[unique mirage]

everything does

[tight iron]

no ability in this game takes crazy skill

[agile stirrup]

wrong 🐀

[wooden agate]

troodon go brrr

[cyan flame]

Teno takes skill, pretty much the only one still

[zenith hazel]

Hypsi aim:

[tight iron]

right clicking does not take any skill

[tight iron]

claw attack

[agile stirrup]

with that logic herra takes no skill bc it can 1 shot a raptor… who needs skill when you got height

[unique mirage]

true, its your movement and predictions that make the difference

[cyan flame]

Considering the clunkyness of stego, maybe it's the one that actually takes some skill

[tight iron]

exactly

[agile stirrup]

he said stego takes skill

[tight iron]

stego does not take any skill wahtsoever

[agile stirrup]

do you even play this game my brutha

[cyan flame]

Hilariously enough, I will absolutely argue it does, probably more than most

Purely due to the lack of ability to adjust for any mistakes very easily

[tight iron]

it doesnt take any skill

[lucid mauve]

agree

[zenith hazel]

Herrera does take skill depending on the situation

[cyan flame]

I do, yes

[tight iron]

okay hear me out i just saw 6 stegos crossing the highlands canyon

[unique mirage]

yes and as herrera you have to move your mouse in addition and not just rightclick, that was literally my entire point xd

[tight iron]

nah this is not a coincidence

[agile stirrup]

that can literally be said about any playable tho, and it’s not skill it’s just critical thinking

[tight iron]

you gotta move your mouse with everything tho

[lucid mauve]

Your prob the guy who says it takes no skill to play rex, cus he manage to sneak up to me

[cyan flame]

That's because you don't judge skill by requirement to succeed in an action, while I do

[agile stirrup]

huh? 😭😭

[zenith hazel]

True but nothing is as crazy as Herrera if you think about it

[tight iron]

no sir

[cyan flame]

Not that damage determines skill at all, so no idea how that would be relevant

[lucid mauve]

If a rex kills you, you prob saying it has no skill. Even tho it spent 5 min getting close enough without you seeing it.

[tight iron]

genuinely nothing in this game takes crazy skill

[agile stirrup]

yall are jumping on still targets

[cyan flame]

You kind of do, or so it seems at least

[tight iron]

thats exactly how raptor works and he was claiming raptor pounce takes more skill than herrera so yes

[tight iron]

no sire i just believe that nothing in this game takes any crazy skill

[zenith hazel]

Why would the targets be stationary is what I’m wondering here

[tight iron]

why would he be moving 🤷‍♂️

[cyan flame]

Funny, ccause I agree with you there

[unique mirage]

idk anything more than a 1v1 in equally matched dinos takes a lot of skill imo

[lucid mauve]

Yea, but raptor can choose not to ambush aswell. I mean atleast against 90% of the rooster when its out.

[tight iron]

neato

[tight iron]

a herrera isnt forced to jump either

[zenith hazel]

The chances of a target coming right under your tree are extremely slim. Most people just don’t stand still unless they try and get stamina

[agile stirrup]

im convinced you just don’t remember what you said before i reply. “the more agility and speed the less skill” inversely “the more damage you can do the less skill it takes to kill something”

[cyan flame]

But people tend to argue that damage has to do with it, or how easily you can die, or anything else that doesn't actually relate to how difficult it is to successfully do an action

[tight iron]

are you sure about htat

cause rn im playing herrera while talking here and hear me out

this is crazy

[cyan flame]

Damage does not relate to the skill it takes to deliver it

[unique mirage]

just camp at a watering hole

[cyan flame]

And it's the delivery that is the skill, the action

[agile stirrup]

😭😭😭😭👹👹👹 aaarrghhh

[zenith hazel]

On HT?

[agile stirrup]

then speed and agility doesn’t either

[cyan flame]

And speed/agiltiy allows for adjusting for any mistake/potential mistaken action

[unique mirage]

you are arguing two different points

[cyan flame]

That's why that matters

[lucid mauve]

Im prob the worste omni to ever played this game, and even i get kills with it. And alot of mistakes are beeing made lol

[agile stirrup]

im just reversing things bc it’s the same thing 😭😭

where did mother go

[unique mirage]

fighting skill is not = skill you need to press RMB and aim or in omnis case, no need to aim

[tight iron]

live branch

[unique mirage]

this is only about the ability itself

[cyan flame]

If you commit to an attack, you're stationary, and you have a cooldown on the attack. If you miss that one due to miscalculations, you can't adjust much for it. You're stationary, you're on a cooldown. You have little else to do. Meanwhile, if you commit to an attack, you're on the move, you have no cooldown so you can attack again. If you miss that one due to miscalculation, you can just readjust on the fly and try again with little to no issue.

[tight iron]

everything has to aim

[unique mirage]

atleast from my side

[zenith hazel]

That explains it

[unique mirage]

the dino yes but you cant even aim the ability, meaning it requires less skill

[lucid mauve]

And its alot harder to fight something when whatever you are fighting can also attack, and not only defend and stand still

[cyan flame]

If you have the ability to adjust, or otherwise move on, when/during an attack, any mistake is easily adjusted for with little risk. Compared to something that can not do so. I am not saying that speed and agility itself has to do with the skill of an action. Only that it allows for less skill due to compensating for any potential skill demand of the action itself. So in a sense, it takes away from the skill required because you can adjust for a mistake. If you do not have that ability to adjust, you're much more bound to the skill demand of the action you're trying to do.

Maybe that'll clarify it a bit

[agile stirrup]

yes and usually omni’s prey is moving

if not on the defensive

[lucid mauve]

Yea but if you wanne take on bigger dinos, like stego you dont need to worry about the stego bursting out after you

[unique mirage]

this is like the old arguments about deino needing less skill than carno

different playstyles

[agile stirrup]

ofc not, but you can only take like 1-2 tail hits

so it’s a big trade

[agile stirrup]

true

[lucid mauve]

What do you survive a attack from stego ? Hell even worse

[cyan flame]

Maybe a small stego?

[lucid mauve]

If i can attack a stego as omni, and litterly

survive i dont get it lol

[zenith hazel]

Tbf things like Herrera’s aim pounce are way more complicated and skill required than an omnis for example

[tight iron]

absolutely not

[agile stirrup]

😂😂

[zenith hazel]

Absolutely yes unless the target is stationary

[tight iron]

do you 360 noscope moving targets as a herrera

[zenith hazel]

Yea I do

I miss most of the time ofc

[tight iron]

well i also 360 noscope moving targets as a raptor

[zenith hazel]

What

[tight iron]

gotta worry about fall damage tho

[tight iron]

i do herrera jumps but as a raptor

[agile stirrup]

i 420 blaze it while i 360 a back pounce off a rock as omni

[tight iron]

stupidity aside tho

[zenith hazel]

Oh yea those are fun to do lol

[agile stirrup]

yall is not playing how im playing

[tight iron]

check above to see why raptor pounce takes more skill than herrera jump

[zenith hazel]

Alr

[tight iron]

tank

[zenith hazel]

This one?

[tight iron]

yes

[unique mirage]

thoughts on my carno idea in balance feedback?

or too close to cera with a charge bite

[icy lion]

@barren zephyr Carnivores see the closest active migration of a prey item. You can just leave the swamp

I know

[zenith hazel]

Not really, Herrera’s pounce requires pinpoint accuracy and precision, your height + distance from your target correlates with your terminal velocity and affects the time which you’ll reach the ground. The speed of your opponent also has to be taken into account. Raptors pounce are instantaneous, you also have the agility/mobility to adjust your positioning and align yourself with either their flanks or back, you’d definitely have an easier time pouncing a moving target with an omni

[sacred citrus]

How do I go about joining a server? New to this game

[icy lion]

Right click the game in your steam library, click properties, click betas, select the drop-down bar and select evrima

[sacred citrus]

Thank you so much, I couldn't figure it out to save me lol

[tight iron]

no sir

[zenith hazel]

Enlighten me

[tight iron]

500 message conversation about it above

it's a bit late rn so i'd rather go eep

[zenith hazel]

Gn!

[tight iron]

appreciate it man 🫡

[mild isle]

tbh all dinos obviously require skill to a degree and usually have varying aspects to take into acount. As both a frequent (aka everytime I get on as of rn I'm either playing herrea, omni, or dilo but dilo isn't in this convo) herrea and omni player, I wouldn't say either take more skill. I've found them to be quite similiar in the skills needed to execute their varying pounces- like reaction time for one.. there has been plenty of times as herrea I've had something flee past me that I probably could have pounced but didn't get to it in time- and with raptor there's been plenty of times I could have dodged an attack and likely landed a solid pounce but I didn't react fast enough lol
People tend to always look for the differences and never what's the same

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

why do people see the new carno that works well and say "well actually it would be better if it were in line with the carno that hasn't worked for over 2 years"

[sudden shell]

people dont like change

[limber hull]

also giving it the acro choke on top of everything gives me another reason to dislike it as an idea

[sudden shell]

putting the "car" in carno

[limber hull]

Current carno is "drunk driver reaching 50+km/hr in a schoolzone" niche and I love it

[sudden shell]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-the-scar-precisely-gif-12215653

[vestal sequoia]

Cera does take damage when eating now?

[midnight heath]

It's never been fully immune while eating as far as I'm aware, just depends how much DMG said thing is doing to you while you're eating.

Like an omni won't hurt you but if you get smacked by a thagomizer it sure will.

[vestal sequoia]

Yeah I guess I was too tiny for a fg carno lol

[midnight heath]

Yeah, even full-grown I'm pretty sure it'd still hurt a tad.

[vestal sequoia]

Nah, fg cera can take carno ram head on without any damage (When eating)

[midnight heath]

Huh, the more you know. I knew the resistance was large but I can't say I've been rammed by a carno in the head while eating; I just assumed it'd go over the threshold. Good to know really

[vestal sequoia]

I have been rammed and bit by 4 carnos at the same time and 0 damage XD

[midnight heath]

[vestal sequoia]

Cera moment

[wintry whale]

@mint geyser Rex noises

[mint geyser]

i like a dis

[dry falcon]

#general-feedback message
I absolutely ADORE the reverb they add

It's so badass

[hidden mist]

49.2 km/h no? :(

[limber hull]

49.5, but it's faster while charging

IDK how fast tho

[hidden mist]

Still, I’d prefer constant 55,6 or 50+ with a boost to 55,6

[zealous citrus]

@midnight heath do you not think that's an issue?

[midnight heath]

I don't have that issue, I think the flight controls are fine and simplistic.

You can hold Q while flying straight or just use your mouse and also look around yourself.

[zealous citrus]

Maybe I'm just too used to other flying games idk

Just jarring for me personally

[unique mirage]

q for freelook is weird man

[midnight heath]

It's not "free-look" but it's like that for all playables, you can sniff and survey around you. It's not too odd when you consider that while doing so you're scanning for corpses and direction.

You also can just use your mouse to look around while flying, my character doesn't turn with my mouse when I'm flying ptera.

[unique mirage]

true but you need to hold alt on anything else

thought you somehow bound that to q and that would feel weird af xd

[midnight heath]

I'm confused on what's being argued at this point, you turn in the direction you're facing for the majority and I'm not sure how that's strange.

And you can freely look around you while walking or flying forward

[unique mirage]

i was confused because you mentioned q as a requirement for looking around thats all

[midnight heath]

I never said it was a requirement, I just said that you could.

[unique mirage]

doesnt work for any playable other than ptera while moving tho

[midnight heath]

If I'm walking straight with teno I can just look around myself with my mouse without turning, I could hold Q and do the same. What part doesn't work? I'm genuinely confused.

[unique mirage]

you turn with your mouse if you dont hold alt

[midnight heath]

What does this have to do with ptera flight controls though?

[unique mirage]

nothing? you mentioned all playables

[midnight heath]

Yes, all playables can look around themselves while moving.

If you look too far in one direction you turn, because you're now facing that way but you can look pretty far before you turn. You can look behind yourself while walking without turning around, etc.

I think there's some misunderstanding here, I'm not the best at explaining things and I think I've just confused myself.

My end goal was no, I don't think ptera needs it's controls edited and I think they work just fine.

[dusky swift]

@frank tapir Wild boar have less meat than you think

[urban flax]

I mean, it still doesn't make sense
Animals usually eat up to 10% of their body weight per meal max
If carno is 1300 kg, that's 130 kg of meat
And boars in this game are about 300 kg
Even if half of their body mass was inedible bone, it would still be more than what's needed to fill it's stomach

Of course none of the food values in this game are realistic
But this comes to a point where it's straight-up jarring

[dusky swift]

@urban flax Wild boars don't weigh 300 kg. They have a average weight of almost 100 kg.
300 kg are possible but rare.

Is it specified in the game that it is 300kg?

[urban flax]

Yeah, The Isle's boars are absolutely massive
300 kg is a low estimate, they could be up to 500 or 600 kg

[dusky swift]

then he really needs a different AI model. 300kg pigs are real monsters

[urban flax]

But they ARE huge
It just doesn't feel like it because there is no human to put into perspective

[dusky swift]

@urban flax It's also true, you quickly forget how big everything is when you have dinosaurs as your standard scale. You only realize how tall you are when you're in human's buildings.
Even the frogs are actually huge.

[urban flax]

Yes, bullfrogs are bigger than the beelzebufo so many people want

[dusky swift]

he just looks too much like a normal frog. to notice that

[austere axle]

what if we have "golden" migration zones from time to time? A migration zone so good, that all herbies would abandon their regions and migrate immediately. It would inspire exploration, show us the whole map (there are lots of beautiful places unexplored) and create dynamic relations. Maybe this would benefit nests?

[austere axle]

rain and storms are too laggy, as they just act as visual dynamics they could be 2d masks

[limber hull]

mass migrations are planned

which i believe are exactly that

[wispy jackal]

that sounds funnn especially if carnivores were hunting along the fringes <3 Id love that

[zenith hazel]

Best way to put it lmao

[waxen moss]

@merry pine Omni alr has Dilo on its Diet menu

[merry pine]

i played today it didnt give any diet

play the game first

[waxen moss]

it clearly has Dilo in its diet

[merry pine]

bro play the game now

nice old pic

[limber hull]

!!!!

[mortal vessel]

@limber hull #general-feedback message

I’m curious what you disagree with

[crisp elk]

Autowalk does 0 harm to gameplay, you aren't forced to use it

[tight iron]

while walking, press windows + g and then press it again

it is an autowalk

[minor basalt]

since it's already possible they should just add it

[crisp elk]

That's an overlay workaround, it used to work for the steam overlay too, unsure if they fixed it. I think the main point stands though, it should be an official system like how other games have it, which is tied to a button and cancels itself if you walk into something or get attacked for example.

[mortal vessel]

Just use a controller and rubber band the joystick lol

[eternal zinc]

#general-feedback message

[quick maple]

#general-feedback message could do rooster calls in the morning. Psittaco already 1 calls, might as well let other AI do it too. Either that or we need a real legit WolfQuest type tracking system.

[north quiver]

@obtuse grail the issue with family sharing is that it means people can essentially have as many save slots as they want, which isn’t a good thing due to revenge killing

yes that fully can’t be prevented because people can still make accounts and buy the game over and over, but that can at least be a deterrent because 5 accounts, for example, will cost 100 usd. that’s a hefty amount for a lot of players

[mortal parrot]

@ashen bramble

[glad condor]

@zealous citrus yo you know you can hold down alt to look around lol
#general-feedback message

[urban flax]

Toxic players are the backbone of The Isle's revenue

[zealous citrus]

Yes

[unique mirage]

That's not what the post is about tho

You can look around without holding alt on pt, the problem is if you look a tiny bit too far in the direction you are flying, you start to turn in the opposite direction

[ashen bramble]

ohhh, cool thanks!

[rough wind]

#general-feedback message

WE NEED LESS NOT MORE

[limber hull]

not even that, it's just far too complex

[ocean stirrup]

I think it's fine as is, the game is already cool as is with the realism and plenty of cool mechanics, adding even more depth might be tempting and neat as an idea but in practice it'd just make stuff needlessly complicated and overbloated

[warm blaze]

@ashen bramble yes it's normal it was said in the announcement that the night was going to be clear just read

[ashen bramble]

@warm blaze Thanks, where does it say that? I don't see any notes in the announcements channel

[tall hearth]

#announcements message

[ashen bramble]

Oh my bad, I was thinking it was in the past couple of days and didn't scroll up enough... Ty!!!

[tall hearth]

[jagged island]

How can I make my server official

[lilac bolt]

official servers are only for servers made by the devs? idk how to make a unofficial server

[unreal ridge]

@warm stone in hordetesting troodon does damage while pouncing, its coming

[warm stone]

oh alr

[unreal ridge]

like staying latched causes troodon to continually bite the target now

[warm stone]

ohhh nice i didnt know havnet played troodon in horde testing rn

[feral marlin]

I think diets needs to be revisited because why do I, as a carnivore need to decide between starving to death or growing with an imperfect diet because other options aren't available at the moment. In my opinion if any playable is able to get 3 slots filled with anything (3x carbs or 3x protein etc) it should reward 100% growth as the bare minimum of buffs. Carno is missing an AI option for lipids and Cera doesnt have one for carbs. Larger playables are gonna require more time to grow and the current system is too strict on what can be benefited by eating. also a system to change diets more easily rather than wait an hour for it to disappear would benefit greatly.

[chilly ermine]

@unreal ridge I like the idea of troo effecting stamina. If the prey didn't kill enough or run at the start it would be in trouble. I was thinking some kind of movement effect would be good but I like the stam one.

[tight oxide]

i wished troodon venom made stuff sluggish tbh, making future pounces easier

[chilly ermine]

#general-feedback message

[boreal briar]

@grim halo Pretty sure that's an incorrectly setup custom server. The timer defaults to 10 on officials.

[grim halo]

@boreal briar ah ok. thanks I'll check in with the server directly.

[urban flax]

@pseudo slate You wouldn't eat many small dinos
Beelzebufo is smaller than the current in-game frog

[sudden ridge]

imperfect is fine, survive

[frank tapir]

it is literally a disadvantage, and a pretty big one if you're not fg

[inland vigil]

@edgy flax can i ask your reasoning for disliking the alternative to the /kill command? any criticism to refute would be nice to add to the suggestion
i tweaked it a bit to add more reasoning as well

[brave gale]

@summer olive I 100% agree with this, there's no cons, not sure why people disliked it, but this would really add to the immersion factor of the game

#general-feedback message

more little additions to nesting would be great

[summer olive]

🙏

[edgy flax]

because u can just jump off a cliff or drown urself no?

[inland vigil]

just because we can do something which takes longer and is more frustrating does not make it a better option

i have on many occasions jumped off a cliff that should have 100% killed me, broken my legs because the game is weird about fall damage and have been too slow to jump off a cliff again lol

[urban flax]

@thin totem Herra cannot climb on metal, if that's the safe haven you need

[thin totem]

Yeah they can? I did that the other day?

[urban flax]

Or maybe it's a planned change, at this point I don't know what feature is planned, in hordetest only or already released

[wintry whale]

@shy fox Devs look through the feedback channels

[shy fox]

nothing from my experience of being a member of this community since the release of this game confirms this notion, but sure. i really hope they do.

[urban flax]

Then please allow me to provide you with my very own experience of having conversed with punchpacket in this very channel

[shy fox]

okay man

[wintry whale]

Here’s a feedback with a dev reaction #general-feedback message

[shy fox]

can't believe me being irritated at losing several hours of my life on a character that starved due to a preventable bug and absentmindedly saying "devs probably don't look at this chat anyway" out of frustration is grounds to issue me a warning for "spreading misinformation." that's rich

[wintry whale]

That is not what you said, and implied you knew that they didn’t look when corrected

[shy fox]

so did i say or imply, and then you interpreted my words in a way that fit your pre-existing opinion?

[wintry whale]

You’re not in trouble, just clarifying

[shy fox]

wow gee thanks

oh and my suggestion was also deleted. i shared my frustrations with a game i've been following since the day it was released and am still passionate about, then was slapped with a warning for spreading misinformation because someone else misinterpreted my words, and now the devs will definitely not see my suggestion. the irony of this situation is NOT lost on me

[inland vigil]

what was your suggestion?

[shy fox]

literally just a reset character button

[inland vigil]

like what are you reseting?

[icy lion]

Claiming that the developers do not read #general-feedback and the channel serves no purpose, then asking for a reset button

[shy fox]

it would be a band aid solution for gamebreaking bugs like preferred food not being shown or the grab food bug that locks you out of doing anything except walking around until they can fix the issues that are causing these bugs

[inland vigil]

i don't need to know what they claimed about what the developers did or do not do. they can speak for themselves

[inland vigil]

ohh i see

yeah i have come into that issue many times to the point where i no longer grab food at all unless i know it was recently killed

the preferred food bug has been more prevalent as of recently

i think it is a good idea to have a reset button. i mean even roblox has one lol
but i'm not sure how it would work exactly in the context of the isle

[icy lion]

It really has, there was also an input lock on grabbing in ht recently

It ebbs and flows

[inland vigil]

i've noticed goring a corpse as well has been having issues in HT

it keeps wanting to make me eat the corpse

[shy fox]

i did say out of frustration that it doesn't seem like the devs read the channel, because frankly there's been an outrageous amount of feedback on say, the dreadful stamina changes, but lo and behold it fell on deaf ears. however deleting my suggestion and then slapping me with a warning is kinda wild if you could just ask me to edit my comment and delete the thing that's bothering you, because, surprise surprise, that channel has a 6 hour slow mode and i can't repost my suggestion so thanks for that

[urban flax]

But what would a reset button do ? Completely reset your character ? Including health, stamina, hunger, thirst and growth ?

[urban flax]

What dreadful stamina changes ?

[shy fox]

reset the same parameters that relogging does. when you relog you don't reset your health stamina hunger thirst and growth now do you

[zenith hazel]

#general-feedback message how did this get downvoted….

[urban flax]

Ah so a leave-then-rejoin server button

[tight iron]

probs cause he asked for all devs to stop what they are doing and optimize the game when a nice amount of them dont know how to optimize the game

[wintry whale]

That’s not how development works

[urban flax]

As long as the servers can handle it, I don't see why not

[tight iron]

and they don't know cause they don't have anything to do with optimization

[zenith hazel]

Ye fair enough

[tight iron]

i seriously doubt an animator knows how to optimize the ground

[shy fox]

??? optimisation is not how development works??

[wintry whale]

Would you like to wait, or would you like to type something out and I can post it with credit to you at the very top

[tight iron]

each dev does one thing, a good amount of them have nothing to do with optimization

[wintry whale]

Not all the devs can optimize the game

[zenith hazel]

True but just remove the rocks. They’re unnecessary

[tight iron]

the rocks feel like a troll

[urban flax]

Rumple, go optimize the game, now
As a wise man once said, mods are part of the dev team too

[tight iron]

like honestly they just feel like a troll

[inland vigil]

i understand why you would have said that developers don't read feedback. it feels that way on most discords with suggestions channels, but also the vast amount of suggestions makes it hard for developers to discuss each and every one or them. understandably it can be frustrating

it's also not up to me to discuss or refute what mods do here (even if i disagree with those actions), but i will give the advice as someone who has been a discord moderator that the best way to avoid further punishment is not to question things publicly. if you have an issue there is a moderator abuse of power (or whatever it's called) form you can fill out as well as collecting as much evidence of the interaction as possible

pushing the topic in spaces like this can be hazardous to you

[shy fox]

thank you, i appreciate the notion, but it shouldn't have been deleted to begin with. i'd rather wait and repost it myself

[wintry whale]

Sounds good

[wintry whale]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress2-engineer-engineer-tf2-tf2engineer-gif-22691307

[inland vigil]

we really do need optimization... i'm always running at a clean 15-25 fps

[wintry whale]

My fps has slowly been creeping upwards in hordetest, it’s a nice change to see

[inland vigil]

at first in ht it was VERY bad for me. capped at 5 fps at most

[shy fox]

i understand, but i do not particularly care if i get banned for disagreeing with an admin or not. people here have been banned for less. as the veggitales twitter once said, i would rather die standing than live kneeling yknow

[urban flax]

Funnily enough, my performance does the opposite of what everyone says with every update
When people say performance has become worse I get better FPS than before, and when people say they're getting better performance it gets worse to me
It probably has something to do with the fact my computer is satanic

[inland vigil]

insane to quote the veggietales twitter but i salute your notion

[wintry whale]

I thought the exact same thing lol

[shy fox]

its still the rawest quote of the century

[inland vigil]

i wish i could skull react

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-thinking-meme-hmm-finger-on-mouth-gif-5982947770194854266

[inland vigil]

this is what happens to me as well

when gateway dropped it was said that fps would be much better than before- but on spiro i got between 30 and 50 fps, and on gateway i am always at 15-20 :(

granted i am able to play at those levels, i don't feel hindered unless it's like... 13 fps or lower

[shy fox]

did you see any changes in the performance when they migrated from ue4 to ue5?

[wintry whale]

Yeah, once you’re fighting several dinos in the forest while it’s raining, my poor potato of a pc turns into a space heater

[inland vigil]

i did not no. though i believe all my issues with performance are my own fault for running the game on a mac running windows through bootcamp

it was just better on spiro, low but manageable, and got worse over time

[shy fox]

oh no macpooter gaming

[inland vigil]

yea its not great... saving to build a gaming pc i promise
though i saw that even people with computers built for the isle were having trouble with fps. i really wonder how the game can be optimized. i think much of it comes from the human structures

[tight iron]

cause they keep adding stuff without any optimization or barely anything done to it

[inland vigil]

i tried to enter a small human building and went from 25 fps to 5 consistently every time i went in and out

[tight iron]

spiro now offers about 20 to 30 more fps

[inland vigil]

we don't know what the developer process is. i think it's unfair to say they do nothing to assets before adding them

[tight iron]

that's why i said barely anything done to it

from my experience, this performance pretty much proves optimization isn't taken that seriously

[inland vigil]

actually on HT, the optimization has gone way up over the testing period

[tight iron]

yeah but this game shouldn't be this heavy if optimization was a big part of it

[inland vigil]

i was able to play a full 8 hours without crashing or rubberbanding or anything. clearly they are working on something to get the game to being better

[tight iron]

yeah they are

[shy fox]

i'm on a mid-to-high end desktop and i had a sharp increase in performance when they migrated to ue5, probably because not all models in the game had sufficiently optimised LODs and nanites help with that, i remember the 100+fps and then i turn to face the rest of the map while standing on a mountain and it goes to like 10.
but recently i agree, something really weird has been happening with performance in the game. i have an rtx2070super, not the strongest, but it still runs AAA games without issue. boot up the isle? CHUGGING. i had an absurd situation happen to me a few weeks ago where i was doing just fine, 60-70 fps in the forest, approached the swamp, instantly down to 1fps. NEVER had that happen before downgraded my resolution to being 400x400 something and only managed to claw back 10fps. it's ridiculous. i don't understand what they are doing to make their game behave in such a bizarre way

[tight iron]

never said they didn't, merely said that it could really be better

[inland vigil]

yes the swamp is where i was lagging really really bad. swamp, port, human structures

though they did just expand the swamp didn't they?

[tight iron]

rtx 4060, ryzen 7 7735hs, no more than 80-90-sometimes 100 fps

any similar game i cap it at 144 and it never goes down

straight up never

[shy fox]

it wasn't the regular drop in fps because the pooter has to load a heavy area, it was a sharp drop from an enjoyable gaming experience on high settings to a power point slideshow. it's so strange. and that was before the swamp expansion btw

[inland vigil]

personally i feel that optimization and ai are the most pressing and frustrating aspects of the isle

[tight iron]

the amount of details this game has definetely arent bad, but it could really be optimized

[shy fox]

yeah TI is horrendously optimised unfortunately, always has been

[tight iron]

imagine this game with all dinos

[shy fox]

even in the early days this game could tank your PC like no problem

[tight iron]

1 fps maximum, you'll need a 4090 ti with a special processor to get 20 fps

[shy fox]

dinos really are not the issue, the issue is the map

[tight iron]

also that

im talking about dinos cause it's more and more lines of code that you process

but yeah the map... man

[inland vigil]

it is sad that the performance is low because genuinely, the isle is a beautiful game. the models are gorgeous, dynamic, well animated and generally believable within the lore of the game

i just wish it ran better

i think big issues would be the ai and corpses and parts of the map

once corpses are cleared you stop lagging as much

[tight iron]

ai absolutely tanks performance

[inland vigil]

for sure. the no ai servers were running beautifully. but playing with no ai is a really boring and frustrating experience as a carnivore- we can't just do away with them even though the devs want to try it out

[tight iron]

yus

[shy fox]

i have limited coding knowledge, but your gpu doesn't process lines of code, it handles almost exclusively shaders (unless the coder specifically tells it to calculate something else, but that's very low level programming that is used in super specific cases). not every single line of code is ran at the same time all the time, and the situation you just described where your pc is overloaded with calculations could only happen if you had like a trillion dinos continuously biting each other at the same time lol. so no the main issue is and always has been the map. the code barely affects performance and the models in the game are very solid and not overloaded with polygons

[inland vigil]

this tells a story

[shy fox]

hehehe unfortunately

[tight iron]

the code barely affects performance, yes, but an abhorrent amount of code really does

cant stop thinking about a game that had 750k lines of code, so a dev went and optimized it all the way to 250k lines, and boi, the difference was unreal

[inland vigil]

i noticed in HT that the little annoying sticks in the swamp are now transparent

[tight iron]

40 more fps without micro lags or any stupid things

[shy fox]

right but i don't think this game is coded in exclusively if statements like yandere simulator lol, 99% of the game's code is in storage until the game needs to run it

[inland vigil]

or well- they don't have collision

[tight iron]

yus

[shy fox]

sticks?

[inland vigil]

like the termite mounds or whatever they are

[shy fox]

wait you mean the little freaking ground pinguses

[tight iron]

but i imagine theres millions of lines of code, which inevitably tank performance

[inland vigil]

yeah those

[shy fox]

oh good grief finally

[inland vigil]

😂 just remove all the swamp water now

[shy fox]

let's just go back to the 10x10 deathmatch map, it had phenomenal performance and all the dinosaur violence we ever needed hahaha

[tight iron]

💀

[inland vigil]

i have no idea how coding or game development or even computers work, so y'all are on your own in puzzling out how optimization could be bettered hahah
but i really do think a lot of it comes from ai and corpses

[tight iron]

thats the realst thing ever

[inland vigil]

they need more ai guys

[tight iron]

pretty much everything can be optimized a ton

[shy fox]

grea have you played pre-evrima?

[inland vigil]

we need a team of ai guys forcing the ai to work (obligatory this is a joke tag)

[inland vigil]

naw i was never interested when it was legacy

i prefer realism and beauty in games and legacy was not that

[shy fox]

so back then we had a smaller map and way fewer ai spawns, however i found that hunting ai back then was leagues easier, and there's a very particular reason for that. the previous version of ai were dinosaurs, and dinosaur calls (like the taco right now) have two or three sound versions - close and far, and occasionally a middle inbetween. if you were far away you would hear a faint but distinct echo-ey sound of that animal, if you were close it'd sound literally up inside your ear. but you could hear them from a much larger distance. the ai that we have nowadays are small, not super obvious to spot in the forest and their calls only travel a very short distance before they are completely culled. so even if you have a deer say 40 metres away from you, if it makes a sound, chances are you will not hear it

so the issue is not the amount of ai but game-to-player communication. they exist solely to feed players, they're not even ambiance, so when they fail at communicating their position to the player the whole system fails. solution is to just give their calls more range lol

[inland vigil]

see strangely enough i struggle to find specifically tacos

i find other ai consistently very easily lol

this is because tacos seem to go quiet when i'm nearby, but deer and boar don't shut up. just listen for a moment and they will call again

[shy fox]

locational spawns for tacos are kinda wacky i definitely agree with you on that

[inland vigil]

i find they are very abundant (but hard to find because of size/bushes) in highlands, and relatively easy to spot on coastlines

i hear them all the time but god forbid i can find them 😭

[eternal zinc]

#general-feedback message what do we all think?

[tight iron]

@hardy vine i doubt a carno in its current state can take on a cera

[lilac bolt]

depends on skill tbh

[tight iron]

1 bite, vomit, free bite

repeat till he dies

[lilac bolt]

let me ask you this then do you think cera is a lil broken rn?

with it being able to do one bite and vomit most dinos

[tight iron]

yes

nothing close to what it was said to be

the identity crisis wasnt fixed, it's just a massive buff

[lilac bolt]

yeah seems very broken hopefully they nerf it a bit

[desert arch]

I bet current cera in ht could 1v1 rex using vomit

[tight iron]

yes

[lilac bolt]

probably lol

[desert arch]

Cant wait to grow a rex for up to 10 hours to get 1v1ed by something 1/8 my size lol

[thin totem]

#general-feedback message Should humans even get the "x" nightvision of dinos? I thought the x night vision was supposed to represent the tacidum lucidum, which humans don't have. I do love the flashlight and NV goggles idea tho

[hardy vine]

it is TRUST me

[tight iron]

r u sure

carno can barely take on 3 raptors rn how can it take on a cera 😭

[lucid mauve]

Agreed, but it prob will be 3v1 so you can just push the quit button to save some time : P

[modern fjord]

@mortal parrot #general-feedback message
This was a jump from standing position.
Watch closely while the camera shifts to you on the ground, as your Troodon is pushed off by the tree.
You then take a neutral jump due to no movement.

I don't think buck was involved here.
Although this has also been said be be a temporary model.

[mortal parrot]

I'm saying that it was strange because needing to jump to dismount feels bad because if you get knocked off or bucked off at the same time you go to dismount you kill your momentum because you jumped at the same time

They should at least add the option to change the bind to dismount

[modern fjord]

Currently, that's more of an issue due to the way the bucking/dismounting works.

Which normally, we'd face knockdown. You feel where I'm going with this?

It feels this way now, because lacking intricacies that will likely accompany later.

It only feels weird now, because we don't have animations between those two elements, and that in itself is a bit of an issue, because we don't have any tactile understanding of when we've been successfully bucked other than..
"Oh we've teleported to the ground"

Equally lacking is any indication we're going to be bucked, though in this situation there was a tree which scraped you off, so that's more on the player's end, than the binding.

[nimble thistle]

iirc in real studies stegosauruses with round plates are considered male due to the plates being significantly larger and more fit for display. Female plates in the game are much larger than in real life though

[limber hull]

also it means that females and males both get to look cool, rather than male looking cool and female looking lame

[urban flax]

According to real studies plates shape isn't related to stegosaurus sex but to species

[cyan flame]

Correct, males had rounded. The issue in game isn't that, it's that current male plates are just "melted" versions of the female ones, rather than properly made, large, and still rounded