general-feedback-discussion

[full summit]

The selection on legacy is better, but that will change in the distant future

[tight iron]

however i watn to know

what's the harm in keeping it up

[full summit]

Think they said resources and no need

They think Evrima is better in every single way

[limber hull]

because it is

[full summit]

The map is not

Too much going on in the map

Ai is not

[tight iron]

the only time resources would be spent in it is if it literally stopped working

[limber hull]

both the map and AI are vast improvements imho

V3 is just utter ass

[tight iron]

ai wise, well, i would rather have ai spawn and you search for it

[full summit]

No AI is not a AI improvement

[tight iron]

map wise, man

[limber hull]

AI is an improvement

[full summit]

Evrima AI isnt there most of the time

[limber hull]

i rather seeking my food than it spawning in my mouth so i can get ez fg rex

[tight iron]

^^

[tight iron]

i have no issues with finding it tho

like genuinely zero issue at all

[limber hull]

at least it's not an easy crutch

[tight iron]

ive played as cera a bunch of times and didnt even need to eat intestines to get lines, goats were carrying me

^^ the past month

[full summit]

Many play throughs of evrima right now are starvation runs

[tight iron]

interesting

that's not the case for me

[full summit]

it even makes playing herbi boring because noone plays carni

[tight iron]

i never starve, im not even worried when i have red stomach

[limber hull]

brother you ain't playing the right game if you're seeing no carnis

[tight iron]

uh nobody plays herbi

liek literally 90% of the game is carnis and 10% is herbis in the live branch

[full summit]

what dino do you play?

[tight iron]

raptor

[full summit]

interesting

[tight iron]

like literally raptor and ptera

sometimes cera

[full summit]

lol ptera dont have enough stam to stay fed and cant see at night

[tight iron]

i must be the greatest ptera player then cause i absolutely never starve

stam annoys me tho

and nv is pretty decnet imo, could be better tho

[full summit]

either you havent played in a while or they fixed it from the last time i played

[limber hull]

they can actually fly across the entire map in a single go (if you know how to play it)

[tight iron]

as we speak im in the highlands lake as a ptera

for some reason discord doesnt let me send the screenshot

i was just hovering over it looking for frogs while talking here

[limber hull]

and then there's going to be thermals and slipstreams for very easy transportation

[full summit]

They must have fixed it because you litterally starved due to stam and could not fly at night because NV would not let you see more than 5ft in front of you

[limber hull]

like tbh i still can't think of a single thing legacy does better besides

burrowing, i guess

[tight iron]

nv has been good for like close to 2 omnths

months

[limber hull]

dryo is literally the only thing i like about legacy it's so fun

[tight iron]

with the ass nv it had before it was an absolute pain in the ass to play it

[full summit]

you guys on horde testing?

[tight iron]

yus

[full summit]

ahhh

i play on the public it has some....issues.

[limber hull]

EVRIMA also has better NV than legacy so that's another point for EVRIMA

[full summit]

NV and AI can be fixed, but that Map seems like what they are sticking with it just seems small and conjested due to all the mountains, hills, and clutter. Legacy had all that, but there were open plains and room to stretch out. i miss that.

[limber hull]

i love not being constricted to 3 meters in front of me and actually being able to see sources of light

[full summit]

The AI on legacy also allowed you to roam around and explore the map. You explore too much in Evrima you die.

[limber hull]

they didn't

they allowed you to sit in one spot and thrive

if you left the spawn point and explored, you died because you weren't in an AI spawnpoint

EVRIMA's AI spawns everywhere, not just in unique zones

[limber hull]

@fierce smelt People would force crash in order to combat log

slam alt+f4 if losing and boom

[wooden agate]

precisely why i ❌ it

[fierce smelt]

ah

i didnt know alt f4 caused you to crash ( or simulate one )

[limber hull]

there's no real way to determine it accurately

there's no way to send to the server "hey, i crashed" if you crashed

the connection just cuts off, there's zero other indication

you have to think to yourself, how can the server know you crashed? Because once you crashed, the client is completely inactive, it can no longer send messages to the server, so an alt+f4 would read the same as a fatal error, because both are a sudden, unexpected cut of the connection between server and client

[fierce smelt]

ah i see , thx for the info makes a lot more sense

lost a 75% dibble last night i was a bit up set

[limber hull]

yea i think the best thing to be done is just deal with the crashes

(which is of course, much easier said than done)

[fierce smelt]

yeah

[urban flax]

@polar drift Sorry but devs are not planning to make a realistic anky at all...
It actually barely looks like an anky

(and it's on purpose)

[split saddle]

@fierce smelt on the bright side, if you get a controlled fatal (where you have the pop up but still control your character) you can still log out. simply do not click on the fatal message and click back into game. Run quickly and find a place to safe log. You have minutes at best. Even if the game does completely crash you out while sleeping, your dino will contiune to safe log and disappear within the 60s

[polar drift]

Why

[fierce smelt]

ah i didnt know this info thank you

[graceful valve]

Check it out : #general-feedback message

[cyan flame]

What exactly are you asking for? You don't want open feedback channels?

[graceful valve]

Can be open, if somehow they manage to organize the chaos, good luck w that in a open channel, ticket would be a great solution

[cyan flame]

What's so chaotic though? From what I can tell, the feedback channels work? What issues are you seeing, you mentioned you'd give feedback, but you won't? What's stopping you from making a feedback post in the channel currently?

[white charm]

Then make them spawn faster and stam is just awfull please bring back old stam

[graceful valve]

I did some, but I noticed that is just useless rn, too much feedback, all together, repeated, post after post, a lot of it complete useless, doesn't even make sense sometimes, so it seems that there is no ADM what so ever, monitoring the channels, so what is the point? 🤡

[cyan flame]

The point would be that people still read it, can discuss it, and the devs/qa also do read and can notice it too. They already do look in the feedback channels after all.

[tight iron]

punch and filipe read it

qa also read it

it is not even close to useless

[graceful valve]

Are you sure they read it? I never saw it make the news, the videos, a reaction or commentary from the devs in the channels itself, but even if they do, organize and filter with tickets would be so much better, people do tickets in very small good discords, how the hell a huge one like this, official, doesn't?

[tight iron]

also if it always contains the same feedback that's even better, it lets the devs know what everyone wants

[tight iron]

ive seen many reactions from them both and punch sometimes answers them here

[graceful valve]

Man, 10x the same post doesn't count for nothing, doesn't mean anything but those 10 people thinks the same

[tight iron]

how do you think we got the new lighting? everyone agreed the old one was ass

[graceful valve]

I'm glad to read that

[tight iron]

10x the same post means you should probably listen

cause clearly something is going on

provided that it ain't ridiculous

[graceful valve]

Would be better only one, detailed, verified by a adm, that everyone can vote up or down?

[tight iron]

nah

keep it the way it is

[graceful valve]

I never said ridiculous

[tight iron]

im saying that if something is said 10 times and it ain't a ridiculous thing, it means you should probably check it out

[cyan flame]

You'd still have to provide every single feedback, at least once. Seems like it'd be a lot of job for an admin to go through every feedback, go "is this similar enough to another one to merge" and so on.

[tight iron]

good metrics for devs to know what's truly an issue

[graceful valve]

Is just too chaotic IMO, buy anyway, I gave my two cents ... trying to help too, love the game, Filipe is from Brazil like me, he does absorbs a lot of feedback., he's great

[tight iron]

yep

man stayed up till 1 am fixing bugs lmao

[graceful valve]

Would be a huge pain, but someone should do it, doesn't need to be a dev, just any ADM, if they want they can find thousands for free rn, right here. Now think with me, is also a huge pain to read the same thing over and over again and a lot of dumb stuff in the middle, some doesn't even makes sense, like, "I want the gali to be able to kill rex too -8yo boy" Do you think they read all the feed? No, is what I'm saying, the just scroll down to look for the posts with more reactions, that is what I bet anyway, can't say for sure, being the reactions bad or good, to know what they should or shouldn't do, if I'm right, this is a really poor and lazy way to filter feedback. EDITED

[graceful valve]

He does that, non-stop working, he shows up in many lives of a small Brazilian channel that streams Evrima a lot, he talks a lot there, have 3 big interviews with him in the channel, he loves the game and the feedback, is awesome, does in Portuguese off-course.

[azure ruin]

Previously, I worked/volunteered as an admin on another Unofficial Isle Server. From my experience, tickets are an excellent tool for organizing tasks and managing brief conversations. However, they can also create a significant backlog, which can substantially slow down progress.

I'm not sure how big the Isle's team is, but handling thousands of tickets that consist of repeated feedback sounds exhausting. Sure, they can get more willing admins. The server could probably benefit from that, but as far as I've read, heard, and seen, the developers do see our feedback posts. The developers are also adults and won't go and enable a galli to kill a rex.

They could probably create different categories to organize things better, but it's more of a "Do they want to?" Everyone's allowed to have their own opinion and voice it in feedback. The developers are smart enough to know which opinions could help the game and which ones would not

[sterile shale]

#general-feedback message @modern dawn not a great idea since it can be easily abused to just get buffs

[modern dawn]

within a certain radius though, could just avoid it

[sterile shale]

Yeah well if someone just puts a nest near like a water source or in mz then it's hard to avoid

[modern dawn]

would allow for a natural deterrent for the juvi, there is so much water anyway its not a huge issue

[sterile shale]

wdym natural deterrent

[modern dawn]

you wouldnt wanna go near the nest if the parents got added buffs to fight

[sterile shale]

yeah well they don't need the buffs for that, the juvi is already protected

if the parents cant defend the nest then too bad

[modern dawn]

its an incentive to use the nesting feature

[sterile shale]

its not an incentive if it's just an unfair advantage over other people

[limber hull]

i feel like mutations would be a better, more natural incentive

[sterile shale]

and if people were to abuse it, its more of an incentive to just abuse it for buffs

[sterile shale]

that would make more sense,

because then at least you're using one of your slots for this buff, its not just given to you

[limber hull]

a "nest buff" has no lasting effects, it's only active near the nest, so the only way you're actually going to take advantage of those combat advantages is people coming to you, which doesn't solve the issue of "nesting is boring" if no one ever looks your way

[modern dawn]

with how much work a nest is to make and maintain, it should have some natural benifits and security to you

[sterile shale]

I mean this is a survival game, takes half the fun out of it if you make the central idea of the game easier just because you're nesting

I think that'd just make it more boring

[modern dawn]

its just adding more to the nesting mechanic, there is no harm in it, a small 20m radius could never hurt

the mechanic isnt used and is deadweight to the game, though with stat changes it could help

[sterile shale]

I don't think it adresses the issues with nesting though

people don't nest because it's too hard, they dont nest because its boring and unrewarding

[modern dawn]

I was bouncing this off @inland vigil for their idea with migrations being more centralized around nesting and a sancuary instead of a desolate wasteland

[sterile shale]

Plus nesting takes ages, and for herbis idk how it'd work with migration once it changes and you have to somehow move to the next mz without them dying

[graceful valve]

I liked your commentary, is really good, thank you for sharing, idk nothing about logs so, can't talk about it, but wouldn't be thousands, there is not that many, would be like 150 in total per day? IDK, not thousands for sure, I doubt they would get 500 in a week, people are so lazy, most ppl will not even want to open a ticket, trust me, this alone would be a great filter of crap stuff. IMO off-course. I hope some dev read this conversation and find a better way to filter the feedbacks.

[wooden agate]

nah

[quick wing]

@limber widget sanctuary keeps herbivores safe with food, but they should add something for carnivores to eat there too, because herbivores arent at sanctuary more than half the time

[limber widget]

I've never been a herbivore but got the sanctuary symbol on my scent map. I do think something needs to be done about being immediately spawn killed, but implementing something for players to learn and grow independent in a carn or herb sanc then it being turned off so that it doesnt get camped. I also think a sanc for carn and a sanc for herb could help so carns dont camp the exit/entrance to herb sanct

playing alone without a tutorial is chaotic when you cant talk to others due to prox chat or species limits on chats and you continuously get killed before you grow in size

[limber hull]

the best thing to do is randomise spawns completely, not let players choose where they spawn

[limber widget]

Thats an option but then when you have friends who are playing together (I usually only play survival games with friendsw) it takes away that motivation. Especially since evrima doesnt have grouping capabilities like the base. If evrima brings that to the table, im all for randomized spawns. Still think there should be a specified sanctuary for those learning if there isnt going to be a thorough tutorial on how to play the game.

[limber hull]

Then create a system for that

Allow grouping

[limber widget]

Grouping is allowed, but it’s more complicated than the base game. In the base game, you hit tab and scrolled the list of players on the server and send an invite up to the limit of species you’re playing as long as they’re the same species. In Evrima, you can only group with a player of the same species that is in your visual. If I don’t have a mic, or a way to let my friend know my cords, I have no way to actually play with them.

[limber hull]

i mean as in, let people spawn as a group

and then randomise spawns

[limber widget]

Yes! I agree with that.

[limber hull]

so if you have a lot of friends, you'd spawn in as troodon or omni, because they have a LOT of numbers, whereas deinosuchus can only spawn with one friend because they only have 2 players per group

[trim osprey]

Did anyone experienced at the hordtest that the game drew very much GPU performance?

Like my 4080 ran red hot on 55 FPS at only full HD

[limber widget]

Yes. That would be a great option to have. Sort of like a pregame lobby similar to sea of thieves or cod where you can invite your friends, be the species your going to be and then have a randomized spawn location where you spawn within calling distance and automatically see their names.

[limber hull]

Ya, I'd have that replace the "choose where to spawn" menu

[limber widget]

I’d also wonder if having a compassed map would help and motivate people to accept the randomized spawn since a lot of people want to go to the hot spots. I’ve seen southern plains get spawned in alot specifically.

[limber hull]

i think the spawn selection forms hotspots a lot

throughout gateway, whatever has the most spawnpoints ends up being the place everyone wants to be because that's where all the juvis are

[junior nymph]

exactly lol some people will be like HOW CAN I FIND MY FRIENDS just go to a location like a little spot you all know and see like the volcano or bio dome. Plus I did not see much people complaining about legacy one yeah some did but it made you need to traverse to find food water and friends you could not just say ahh yeah lets spawn south because we know foods there I saw this on a vid but they said it will remove meta game stuff such as killing your stego to feed your carnivore.

oh yeah and going to like a sanc or mz would still be good

[limber hull]

god that stego thing is so lame, it's a big reason i want selected spawn gone

[junior nymph]

same I do it sometimes when theres like 5 people on or something but normally when its a full server i rather play like it was intended

I used to hotspot and found the game boring but then I went away from hotspots and I have actually been enjoying the non pvp brawl game that people think it is, I have hunted stego herds and teno herds across the map to then kill them when I have the chance it feels so rewarding

[dry falcon]

@mental garnet that is happening with humans rn so please not the dinosaurs😭

[limber hull]

what?

[urban flax]

I think it's a homophobic joke

[limber hull]

Looks slightly more transphobic but yea

[wooden agate]

why would a mutation that lets you become actual jurassic park dinosaurs be bad lol

[tight iron]

it makes absolutely no sense at all

[wooden agate]

why not though

we dont know what these creatures are made of

a single time use gender swap mutation that takes around 30-40 minutes to fully transition you after you activate it at a time of your choosing wouldnt be awful lol

[limber hull]

we have real life animals that can actually do that

[tight iron]

because it doesn't even make any sense

[tight iron]

yeah but you can't change your organs and bones as a 6 ton beast at will

[wooden agate]

why are we bringing realism into this again

[limber hull]

a 450kg raptor can't hold itself up with those pitiful little arms

a 1800kg animal cannot ram you with their head without breaking their neck

you want to go down this dirty route lol

[tight iron]

a 450kg raptor can actually do it but not how the animation plays

has to get on you with part of its belly to hold itself

[wooden agate]

that 450kg raptor doesn't exist

[tight iron]

and a 1800kg boi can ram you without breaking its neck

[tight iron]

indeed it doesnt

[limber hull]

a carno ram would kill it

a pachy ram would kill it too

[tight iron]

not if you hit the neck of what you're tryna kill

[limber hull]

stegosaurus physically cannot do the power swing

[tight iron]

the carno wouldn't break its neck and instead one tap what it wanted to bonk

[wooden agate]

herrerasaurus can not climb

[limber hull]

troodon... oh my god troodon

[wooden agate]

dilophosaurus did infact not have schizophrenic venom

[tight iron]

oh no not troodon 💀

[limber hull]

listen man

A gender change mutation is harmless

[tight iron]

i know this gmae aint supposed to be realistic but i find it ridiculous to let dinos just swap genders like that

takes away the fun of searching for someone willing to form a nest with you

[limber hull]

Bringing realism/politics into it is not only bizarre, but counter-intuitive, because none of those things matter to Isle dinosaurs

[tight iron]

or spawning with a friend as opposite genders to do it

[tight iron]

im not bringing politics into here

politics suck balls i want nothing to do with them

[limber hull]

they're spending a whole ass mutation on it

[tight iron]

i know they are, but it simply takes away the fun

[wooden agate]

it doesnt change that though

[limber hull]

i ain't talking specifically about you, but i've seen the topic get political which is dumb

[tight iron]

i agree

this is a dino game discord so get politics outta here

[limber hull]

honestly, i still want the main gender option to be random

becaue i guarantee you a lot of people do not care what gender their dino is

[tight iron]

i know that for a fact

[limber hull]

it'd diversify the amount of gender diversity amongst species

[wooden agate]

if i spawn in as pteranodon and notice i do not get the crest im diving into the ground

[limber hull]

which enables nesting

[limber hull]

THEN PICK MALE YOU SICK ANIMAL

[tight iron]

im one of the few ppl that actually care just cause female raptor skins are great

for me only skins matter 💀

[wooden agate]

YOU JUST SAID YOU WANT IT TO BE RANDOM

[limber hull]

AS THE MAIN OPTION

[tight iron]

minor inconvenience

[limber hull]

Random/male/female

[wooden agate]

i would pick random solely to throw female pteranodons into hell

[tight iron]

LMAO

[dry falcon]

couldn't be me

[limber hull]

wtf

[wooden agate]

female pteranodons are ugly

sorry

[gilded seal]

XD

[wooden agate]

its like how no one chooses male stego cause everyone wants the spikey plates instead of the round ones

well its like that for pteranodon

[gilded seal]

Well i always pick female no matter what dino. Everyone have their choses i dont see anything wrong with it

[limber hull]

i mean i just want random because most people don't care

[dry falcon]

probably why there isn't much visual sexual dimorphism in this game

[tight iron]

i choose gender depending on the skins

i must say tho, female pteranodon would get me to just bomb dive down a cliff

aint no way im playing that

[dry falcon]

[warm blaze]

@cyan hound you make a suggestion on diablo's hitbox but your view also the increase in ping you have, it doesn't surprise me

[hollow crown]

#general-feedback message Cheats for this game cost less than a McChicken and are super easie to find that just shows how bad the anti cheat is it's pretty much unexistent. If someone wants to cheat, they will and for very cheap if not free. And if they ever get banned is because they were super blant and got manualy banned. Unfortunetly alot of people don't have the mental capacity to take a loss and learn a game

[lapis swallow]

@icy linden what does this mutation even do?

[hollow crown]

he is clearly trolling

[icy linden]

If you go into character menue it will show the name of the Dino You indentify as beside That it will do nothing... want to keep it realistic

[lapis swallow]

and the point of that is?

[icy linden]

Idk Maybe You feel better for a Moment or something

[wooden agate]

hes trying to make a funny transphobic joke lol

[bronze matrix]

no point at that just an attempt at a transphobic joke

[wooden agate]

hes failing but atleast they've learned a better joke other than "hurrr helicopter!!!1!1!1!1!"

[lapis swallow]

now that I think of it, probably

[lapis swallow]

atleast do the single bisexual being on standby joke

[icy linden]

Transphopic ? Am i trans if i indentify as a lion ?

[lapis swallow]

bro, just shut up

[wooden agate]

i saw you typing for atleast two minutes and you still managed to not spell a word correctly thats three messages above your own

[icy linden]

Was A real question ... I Thought trans Is if u Change Gender but ok....

[bronze matrix]

now he is doing the crybully routine

love it

[icy linden]

I indentify as a someone That cant make mistakes..

[wooden agate]

you made a mistake in spelling identify

[icy linden]

No... I cant make one, stop bully me

[urban flax]

Sometimes this chat amazes me
Feels like twitter

[icy linden]

Just want to Make clear ,u probably dont give a f About it But i have nothing against trans People You probably a wonderful Person keep being You

[cyan flame]

More so that the round plates are "melted" and just don't look good. If they were "properly" done, it'd be much better. I'm still hoping that at some point they might fix it, but it's unlikely and not really important at all.

[wooden agate]

TRUE

#general-feedback message
@barren zephyr for troodon yes

[dusky swift]

yes, as long as it's not bigger than a troodon

[cyan flame]

Would dryo/herrera fit, or are those too big?

[dusky swift]

How about if they weren't on the horns but behind them

[bleak bison]

@keen kiln 😏

[wooden agate]

i think herrera could fit on em

[cyan flame]

Haven't seen a herrera next to a dibble in the game currently, so not sure how it'd look, but that'd be about the biggest. Would fit somewhat with the concept of dibble just rolling over a herrera (since I doubt we'll get that, funny as it might be)

[fickle sleet]

#general-feedback message
@ancient zenith @frail heath @sudden geode why the hell are u downvoting this

[ancient zenith]

Seems like a waste of time for the devs

Only reason so many corpses are a issue is because of hotspots

Once they fix the hotspot issue that intern will get fixed

That’s why

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

they do sorta

[dusky swift]

Bones should ideally disappear more quickly. would also save performance.
I think most Cerato players aren't interested in bones.

[wooden agate]

say you have fireweed on your diet and you're a dibble at east plains

fireweed is also available at the highlands MZ for stegos, and its still available for you to eat

you can sniff it out if you're there

the little section where it says where your diet spawns isn't entirely useless lul

[dusky swift]

It would be nice if the migrations had signs of what is inside them

[wooden agate]

your migration has your diet foods

you're not meant to be going out and finding other peoples food, but if you know where to look, you can

[hollow crown]

#general-feedback message this on top of everything else has to be fixed first

[sudden geode]

this

its not really an issue, the flies is what is causing the fatals

sound bugs pretty much

[dry falcon]

@inland vigil bugs would probably have to be just 2d textures that move around on objects because it will botch performance otherwise. The flock of birds is definitely something doable

[inland vigil]

That's what I meant lol
I prefer not to get pinged for my suggestions tho !!

[dry falcon]

My bad, it's just a default discord thing

[deft spire]

just me or carno feel really bad right now after diet update

[worldly remnant]

@mystic parcel how do you know Herrera cause fatal errors?

[latent olive]

@knotty solar actually, parasaurolophus could get up all the way to about 15 tons

2.5 tons is EXTREMELY malnourished for a para

infact, thats almost the size of maiasaura

[knotty solar]

idk, thats what I read i'll change it haha

[worldly remnant]

@dense plover 30-60 fps, with 5yo i7, 2070s, 32gb RAM - soundstutters, some framerate issues as well, but playable all on high, lumen on, DLSS Quality, Motion blurr off. No matter i play HT or evrima branch
I get no more frames when i lower the settings that it is worth it. Soundstutters got better recently, somedays and depending on players around it starts dropping frames to 10 sometimes, but only when really lots of players are around a hotsopt.

[latent olive]

yeah the first google result you get is not very accurate

[knotty solar]

did you get my point though lmao

[latent olive]

its why there was a lot of outcry regarding para's concept art, that makes it look weak when in reality it could genuinely crush an allosaurus to death (they didnt live with allosaurus) just by trampling it

[latent olive]

oh yeah, and i agree with it

[dense plover]

That doesn't make any sense at all, you must have won the silicon lottery with that 2070s

[latent olive]

hadrosaurs shouldnt be a boring prey item like depicted by media

[dense plover]

Either that or the game is giving diminishing returns

[latent olive]

its why my idea for corythosaurus featured it using kicks like a ballerina to "dismantle" predators effectively

[knotty solar]

Oh, yeah I get what you mean, thats why I hate shows like JP and JW they just abuse those dinosaurs to where they don't even defend themselves hell, rabbits even put up a fight.

[dense plover]

Even putting my effects on high halves my fps

[knotty solar]

well, it is said they lived in groups, which shows herding behavior meaning if you put it into todays view its like a group of lions hunting a herd of buffalo if anything they'd aim for babies or weak elders not a healthy adult you are just asking to be trampled and or kicked.

most likey if you look at any herding animal you are not breaking that herd plus you are dealing with a 15 ton animal that is very capable of even hurting a rex yes if the rex bit the para, but if that para kicked or bucked that rex it'd be hurting

thats what I don't like about the media they take these animals and make them defenseless

the galli was an actual, mean animal apparently they think the galli would rip up nest and drop the eggs just to do it they wouldn't even eat it and that got rid of other dinos and gave the galli all the food.

[mystic parcel]

because we always, always, get fatal error when herreras are around, a buddy killed a herrera and got fatal error right away, my other friend gets killed by a herrera and gets fatal error right away, and me, i get fatal error just for being near one. it has been a known issue that herreras are the cause by many

[tight iron]

i get around 100 fps with a 4060 and a ryzen 7335HS

with everything on max

[dense plover]

Please explain this black magic

[tight iron]

processor

[dense plover]

Are you running the game at 720p or something?

[tight iron]

the 4060 can get you to 144 fps on max but you need a nasa processor

[tight iron]

1080 iirc

[dense plover]

A 5800X3D

Is a really good processor

[tight iron]

yeah ik

but the isle moment

[dense plover]

It's not processor tho, It's my GPU at 100%

[tight iron]

you require a nasa pc to run it

your gpu at 100?

[dense plover]

But how do you run it so well then`?

[tight iron]

my gpu ain't even close to 100 damn

[dense plover]

Yeah when I check the overlay my gpu usage is at 99%

[tight iron]

sheesh

[dense plover]

I run the game at 1440p tho

What do you have your game at

[tight iron]

idk man, i just know that 4060 and 7335hs 🤷‍♂️

1080, everything at max

[dense plover]

This is witchery

[tight iron]

let me pull up the gpu usage

[dense plover]

Aight

[tight iron]

60% 💀

[dense plover]

Bro wtf

[tight iron]

LMAO

[dense plover]

What's your fps

[tight iron]

60% cpu as well 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

100

[dense plover]

You sure everything is epic?

I'm in shock, disbelief and denial

[tight iron]

alr 70% gpu 60% cpu

[dense plover]

That's crazy

[tight iron]

goes down then up then down then up

but that's the average values

[dense plover]

Wtf, I swear someone is mining crypto

[tight iron]

LMAO

[dense plover]

Ahhh bro

[tight iron]

might be the case

[dense plover]

You're on ultraperformance

[tight iron]

yes

[dense plover]

That's why, you're running the game at like 30% resolution

[tight iron]

makes sense

[dense plover]

33% to be exact

And at 1080p too, lol

[tight iron]

it's still beautiful 🤷‍♂️ lmao

but yeah i prefer fps over a bit of resolution ngl

that's where the black magic comes from

[dense plover]

Fr? When I use ultra performance at 1440p it looks like I'm not wearing my glasses

[tight iron]

oh what fr?

for me it doesn't change a single thing

[dense plover]

Try turning it to quality

[tight iron]

it looks the same and i get 30 more fps

[dense plover]

If it doesn't change anything you might need glasses lol, I found out I'd been playing with a handicap for years when I found out I needed mine

[tight iron]

i do have glasses unfortunately

gonna get surgery the first chance i get tho

[hidden mist]

Try putting textures on [Medium] (I compared, there’s almost no real difference between presets tbh) and render distance too. Since I’ve done so I got a bit more stable gameplay with my 3060ti and i5-12400f, in most locations save for hotspots around 60-80 fps. Everything else is [High] though, but all shadows-related settings on [Epic].

[dense plover]

Yeah, shit'

s expensive

[tight iron]

yes

[dense plover]

Alright I'll try it out

[dense plover]

Not more expensive than contacts tho, that bill adds up

[hidden mist]

Also, don’t forget to apply the settings two times. First, when you launch the game. Then when you log onto any server.

[tight iron]

literally

better for me if i gather some money and get my eyes fixed

little over 1000 euros

[dense plover]

Your eyes might end up adjusting tho and you'll need glasses ontop of it maybe

Oh danm, that's a lot more budget than where I live

[tight iron]

my eyes are like stuck rn they dont do anything

doesn't go up doesn't go down

[dense plover]

Huh?👀

You got that in-game vision, eyes locked straight forward with your head

[tight iron]

i don't see better, i don't see worse

[worldly remnant]

no it's the games optimization

[worldly remnant]

i just played herra and yes hadnt had a fatal error for some days but with herra i got it twice already - switched to Dilo, because i need to learn to play Dilo better.

[restive fjord]

I see another feedback that is basically showing player skill and not a balance issue.. Ptera´s NV currently is right where it needs to be. It is a skimming flyer, not nocturnal predator. What do you want this animal to have as an optimal NV without being absolute nocturnal unit? You can fly kilometer above ground. Do you want to be able to see to the very bottom during stormy night? Literally spectator level of NV that admins have? What do you want to hunt at night with it? Brightness is extremely good, range is ok - there is more than enough reaction time for things popping out in your sight while descending or closing to forest IF player decides to fly high above ground. Best thing to do is keeping low height though, near rivers or planes. Absolutely doable to fish during nights as well.
Might as well say that ptera during nights is even more fun to play, since the PvE/survival aspect, which is the main focus of the playable, is more pronounced BUT this is indeed my subjective look at it so I am definitely not forcing this idea on anyone.

[fickle sleet]

lmao fix hotspots cant wait

they wont ever fix them until they realize that the map is too large for 150 players

making bodies not move crazy amount of work

also worst thing is I cant even tell why these bodies cause lag its not cpu gpu or ram

or ram speed

what the hell is causing the lag

[ancient zenith]

Hot take but I don’t like gateway

I feel like mabye a map with a few more biomes yk not just plains and lush forests with a tidbit of a arid area

I head somone talking about a red wood biome and I think that would be pretty cool

But yeah I think the lag is just to many people in one spot + body’s

All they need to do is get rid of migration and make it how it was before where all the herbi diets were spread out

Like mabye S is always in highlands hexagon always in plains and lines always in delta ect

[knotty patrol]

if my dino is stuck wht i can do?

[tight iron]

many people dont like gateway

so it's not a hot take

why tf did that soudn so aggressive smh

[ancient zenith]

Lmao

[tight iron]

i mean it as "you're completely right sir"

[ancient zenith]

💀

[tight iron]

but yeah sometimes i go asking around and actually few people like gateway

[ancient zenith]

all I’m saying is I would prefer the legacy map over gateway any day

Idk dinosaurs with pine trees look better then dinosaurs with jungle trees

[tight iron]

i think gateway is very beautiful but not really made to be played

but to be admired

[ancient zenith]

Exactly

[tight iron]

spiro was not as beautiful but was made to be played

[ancient zenith]

Walking from one spot to another doesn’t take to long on some playables but with others it’s like I would rather log then walk yk

Like I walked my stego from swamp to highlands once and then I just logged when ever it swapped from highlands

Idk I feel like they could fix a lot of the map issue by just making a map with a mix of as many biomes as possible

But it doesn’t have to be like snow to desert it could be one half of the map is on a mountain with snow while the bottom is like forest and then it leads to a plains / arid area

That’s 4 different biomes instead of the 2 that we get on gateway

It’s just tropical and arid

And I guess plains

[urban flax]

"Spiro was made to be played"
Mandela effect

[tight iron]

cant look at gateway and tell me it's made to be played

compare these mountains and impenetrable forests to plains

[limber hull]

this take is so wrong lol. Spiro is neither something to play or admire

Nostalgia has literally blinded you if you think Spiro is HALF as playable as Gateway

[urban flax]

I compare these mountains and far-from-impenetrable forests to Spiro's ONE plain, hidden cliffs, featureless copy-pasted forests, randomly-placed rocks and inaccessible places and I think gateway is more playable

[limber hull]

I can visit each corner of the playable space on Gateway. I can't on Spiro because dear GOD the way it did mountains and forests were godawful, and it condensed water sources to have just entire unplayable dead areas in at least 1/4 of the playable space

[tight iron]

im not saying spiro is good

[urban flax]

Fun fact : all of my deaths on spiro except 2 were due to falling off a cliff

[tight iron]

im saying it's playable

[limber hull]

Gateway I want to be somewhere, I can follow a path and GET THERE

Spiro, I don't want to be anywhere, because there's nothing out there, and if I try I have a much higher chance of getting lost

[urban flax]

I'm not either

[tight iron]

and also gateway is a cliff itself

[urban flax]

I'm just saying gateway is better

[coarse spruce]

most of my deaths on spiro were crocs and fall damage

[limber hull]

Gateway is objectively better in like... Every element

Spiro's cliff deaths honestly are FAR higher

[urban flax]

On gateway every cliff has obvious paths to allow to go around them or find a way up (or down)

[limber hull]

Because it had a single goddamn cliff, completely obscured, in the most popular place on the map

The amount of death that single cliff caused puts Gateway to shame

[tight iron]

no

[coarse spruce]

you could always go to that gorge as a young carnivore to find a guaranteed meal

[tight iron]

theres hidden cliffs behind bushes n stuff

[limber hull]

Because on Gateway, it's mostly on you for falling off a cliff, I haven't fallen off a cliff in ages

I've JUMPED off cliffs on Gateway, but never fallen

[tight iron]

gave up on exploring properly when i kept falling off random hidden cliffs behind bushes n stuff

[limber hull]

You know what map did that but worse? Spiro.

Also I really haven't seen a cliff nearly as obfuscated as Spiro's cliff on Gateway

Most cliffs are pretty obviously cliffs

[tight iron]

i wont say that spiro did not have hidden cliffs because it did

[limber hull]

I haven't seen a cliff that didn't have clear warning "hey, this is a cliff"

[tight iron]

but gateway has a lot of hidden cliffs and random falls that make you break your bones all dya long

[limber hull]

really, because i haven't done it in months

[tight iron]

died like 10 times to those kinds of cliffs

[limber hull]

thats crazy lol

but anyway calling Spiro "more playable than Gateway" or even "playable" is honestly either rose-tinted glasses or copium

[tight iron]

pretty sure it's reality

[limber hull]

it really isn't

[tight iron]

had to get a master in not fall off cliffs when gateway did a gateway moment

[limber hull]

take it from someone who has played Spiro for YEARS. That map deserves to BURN

[urban flax]

You can still go back on spiro and compare

[limber hull]

Legitimately a failure on all counts in map design

It's most praised feature is how much of a nothing burger it was

[tight iron]

not wanting to compete

[limber hull]

Because it's mostly just flat plains and forests

[tight iron]

yeah but man this map is just a big ass mountain with stupid cliffs everywhere

[limber hull]

I really don't have that issue

[urban flax]

I mean, if it's better as you say, you should be eager to play it again, right ?

[limber hull]

I find it far more traversable than Spiro

[tight iron]

not like theres anyone in that branch

[limber hull]

Wonder why

Because if the map is better, surely some people would want to play it?

[tight iron]

because a good bunch of people left when gateway dropped

[urban flax]

wat

[tight iron]

and why even play in a dead branch

[urban flax]

"Dead game I'm leaving"
"Hey we brought back the old version you liked, so you can keep playing on it"
"No dead game"

[limber hull]

Spiro:

"I want to go somewhere"
go through plains and die of dehydration
go through forest and get lost/trip over 1000 fallen logs
get no food because centre is the only place that matters
die
stop going places

Gateway:

"I want to go somewhere"
Get the general direction of where you need to go
Find a path that leads that direction
Follow it
Congrats

[cedar drum]

I wanted to print an actual map of spiro, and burn it in an actual fire when gateway came out, never got around to it though

[limber hull]

What?

[tight iron]

uh no

[limber hull]

Yes

That's how I've been doing it for over a year

It literally has not failed me

[tight iron]

ngl

if for over a year it happened to you, i kinda claim skill issue

[limber hull]

What?

I have a skill issue for not having a problem with map geometry?

I literally can just navigate it's not hard to do so

[tight iron]

no

you have a skill issue for not learning how to traverse for over a year

[urban flax]

Oh that's like that person who kept calling me "bad" and a "loser" when I kept wrecking him in 1v1 in mirror matches in For Honor

[limber hull]

What?

How do I not know how to traverse

[tight iron]

you said you kept falling off cliffs n stuff

and kept getting lost

[limber hull]

I said the complete opposite

[tight iron]

huh

[limber hull]

When the HELL did I say that I kept falling off cliffs

[tight iron]

must've misread it then

[limber hull]

That's Spiro

[tight iron]

thats what im saying

[limber hull]

And nothing I said is a skill issue

It's a map issue

All Spiro taught me is "do not stray from NE and centre"

And if I did, punished me with death because they just don't put water or food anywhere but those locales

[tight iron]

kinda sounds like gateway ngl

liek let's be real

[limber hull]

It literally is nothing like Gateway because they got rid of the 1000 fallen logs that Spiro had

[cedar drum]

Gateway is far superior than the dumpster fire that is spiro

[limber hull]

I can tell you haven't played on Spiro much honestly

[tight iron]

traversing in spiro was not as difficult as you put it

it was annoying and i agree

but you easily learned how to move around it

[limber hull]

When did you first play EVRIMA

[tight iron]

in gateway you can learn how to move around it as well

[urban flax]

The way to move around Spiro is "never get out of center plains"

[cedar drum]

How to move around it, stay at center for the rest of your days

[limber hull]

^

Gateway makes me want to go places. Spiro makes me want to sit completely still

Gateway revitalised my love for the game by giving me places to go

[tight iron]

the way to move around gateway is never get out of south plains ngl

not like you gonna find anyone anywhere else 🤷‍♂️

[limber hull]

i do

[tight iron]

i do as well but rarely and in places i already know there's people

[limber hull]

i dont spend time in hotspots like, at all

[tight iron]

for example highlands, stego routes, etc

[cedar drum]

Found a giant ass raptor pack outside of south plains

[tight iron]

very rare sighting

when the entire map is foliage at this point, complicated to find people

[limber hull]

Unlike on Spiro, where no one would leave centre because they literally died of dehydration

[urban flax]

At least in Gateway you can go out of here and survive on plants if you're a herbi/AI if you're a carnivore
On Spiro you couldn't even do that because even diet food only spawned at center

[limber hull]

You wanna know what map had so much foliage it actively dropped FPS? Because it starts with S.

[tight iron]

agreed

[limber hull]

Legit it's so funny how much of your Gateway criticisms apply to Spiro tenfold

(because it is objectively a terrible map)

[tight iron]

not even close

[limber hull]

Absolutely

[tight iron]

it's not amazing yknow

it's decent

gateway just fails miserably at most things

[limber hull]

LMAO no it doesn't, at all?

[cedar drum]

Like what?

[limber hull]

It is objectively one of, if not THE best Isle maps I have ever had the pleasure of playing on

I have never once had a moment where I got angry at the map design of Gateway

[tight iron]

traveling? good luck boi
beauty? ill give you that point
open spaces? south plains, 50 ppl in there smh

[urban flax]

It's a spawnpoint issue

[tight iron]

and yeah open spaces are pretty damn required

[urban flax]

Because East plains were doing exactly that before, and highlands before them

[tight iron]

either way let's be real

this is not even an objectivity thing, this is just opinions

[cedar drum]

I ran through five forests to escape something, not only did I escape but I escaped without ever getting stuck on a log

[urban flax]

And if everything could spawn in the tiny islands offshore, then these tiny islands would become the new hotspot

[tight iron]

i myself dislike gateway because of its lack of open spaces and super complicated to travel + it's massive

soooooooo spiro fits my playstyle better

[cedar drum]

It has more open spaces…

[tight iron]

and that is why i prefer it

[tight iron]

south plains

[cedar drum]

That has plains in the name for a reason

[tight iron]

i know

and also northeast plains kinda

[cedar drum]

Then what’s your point

[tight iron]

my point is that it's only south plains

and kinda northeast plains

[cedar drum]

The entirety of highlands ceased to exist I guess

[tight iron]

semi open space

too many rocks n trees around there

[cedar drum]

That is an open space and you know it

[tight iron]

no

[cedar drum]

Yes

[tight iron]

semi open space

[cedar drum]

NUH UH

[tight iron]

too many rocks, too many trees, too many bushes, too many obstacles in general

[limber hull]

Travelling? At least you can (unlike Spiro)
Beauty? LMAO there's no contest
Open spaces? It has more variety in plains than Spiro could dream of and seperates them accordingly across the map to create diversity.
Biome diversity? Easily.
Water environments? Absolutely a vast upgrade.
Human structure integration? Vastly superior.
How it handles mountains and other elevated spaces? LEAGUES better oh my GOD the Radio Tower mountain in Spiro is a sin.
Providing resources around the map? The ponds, lakes and rivers are all a godsend and placed that I can actually find water I love it.
New player friendly? It literally has paths between major points of interest that are safe to follow, easy to see and have no obstacles.

[urban flax]

Gateway has not enough open spaces compared to what ? To Spiro ?

Even Spiro's center plain is not even as open as Gateway's highlands

[tight iron]

this is genuinely all wrong

like actually almost everything there is wrong

[urban flax]

Remember the rocks, random hills and copy-pasted tree clusters all over the way ? THAT was an open space ?

[tight iron]

more open than highlands

[cedar drum]

Here’s another open space, next to one of the swamps, along every coast there’s an open space, in every forest there’s a path, and the forests themselves are more open

[limber hull]

Also, Gateway, fun fact, has more open space than Spiro. Not a joke. This is completely real.

The issue is, Spiro seems like it doesn't because the playable area was RESTRICTED to those plains. But outside them was nothing but jungle. So much, goddamn, jungle. None of it habitable, no food, no water, it stretches on and on and on. At least 70% of Spiro is pure jungle.

[urban flax]

If you stand on one side of the Highlands you can see the other side of them
You couldn't do that on center in Spiro

[limber hull]

I stated several objective facts, so enlighten me what parts were wrong

[tight iron]

you can travel in both gateway n spiro
beauty gateway wins without contest
open spaces spiro wins no contest
biome diversity gateway wins no contest
water environments gateway wins
human structure integration gateway wins
how it handles mountains n other elevated spaces? awfully wrong
providing resources around the map? south plains moment
new player friendly? absolutely not

[tight iron]

hm

[tight iron]

90% of gateway is bushes smh

and random trees n rocks

[limber hull]

OH FUN FACT ABOUT SPIRO

[cedar drum]

It just isn’t

[limber hull]

YOU WANT BUSHES???

Oh my GOD it has you covered

[tight iron]

i know spiro was full of bushes 💀

but brother bushes in gateway are a plague

[limber hull]

And in Spiro they were worse

[tight iron]

they are absolutely everywhere alongside rocks

[limber hull]

More in Spiro.

[tight iron]

they have multiplied

[cedar drum]

They aren’t

[tight iron]

wdym they arent the entire map is a mountain bush

[limber hull]

This is some serious rose tinted glasses

[tight iron]

no sir

[limber hull]

I've played Spiro. It literally almost killed the game for me. Gateway stopped me from flat-out quitting

[cedar drum]

This “mountain” is awfully easy to traverse all things considered

[limber hull]

U6.5 was quite literally my breaking point

[tight iron]

not even close

[limber hull]

Everyone can do it but you

[tight iron]

cant even count my deaths to random cliffs n random slopes put behind bushes n stuff

[cedar drum]

As soon as you get up the mountain slightly there aren’t anymore bushes

[tight iron]

quite the opposite

[limber hull]

So then... It's your skill issue?

[tight iron]

yeah cause youre on top of it 🤷‍♂️

now go down good luck

[cedar drum]

Easy

[limber hull]

"you said you kept falling off cliffs n stuff"

that's apparently a skill issue

so by your own words, you have a major skill issue

[tight iron]

the fall damage thing shows me everything i need

[limber hull]

how do you struggle with this

[tight iron]

the fact that they had to allow fall damage to be more lenient because everyone was dying off cliffs

[tight iron]

im not talking from my perspective

im talking from most people's perspective

[cedar drum]

Then who’s?

[limber hull]

genuinely, how tf do you struggle to walk down ANY of this game's elevated surfaces

[tight iron]

how do u not

[limber hull]

you see the path that's nota colossal slope and you literally just trot down

its so easy it hurts that people actually can't fathom this

you don't need to press shift at every availible opportunity

[tight iron]

somehow trip on a random ass rock and die

[limber hull]

you trot and you're effectively immune to fall damage genuinely

[cedar drum]

I mean some slopes can be a bit slippery…

[limber hull]

Go to Legacy and tell me about slippery slopes. In Gateway, they're very clearly marked as "hey man this is a slippery slope"

[tight iron]

nope

[limber hull]

you really like saying nope

[tight iron]

they do have the black thing that allows you to see it

[cedar drum]

I meant more if you were running from something and a slope caught you off guard

[tight iron]

however sometimes that stupid thing just fails and you trip n break yo legs

like seriously bro they had to allow ppl to fall longer cause the entire map is a mountain and everyone was dying to fall damage

that by itself proves my point

[tight iron]

when smth is incorrect yes

[limber hull]

It's so funny to me that you flat-out have us as clear evidence that "it really ain't that hard to dodge cliffs" and you just go "nope no one can do it but its not a skill issue its a map issue even though you guys just inexplicably are immune to this issue"

i wonder what it is

i wonder what makes us magically not die to cliffs

[tight iron]

skill

[urban flax]

In my case it's because I play ptera

[limber hull]

lmao

[urban flax]

Wait actually I don't think I've played ptera that much in gateway

Fish being bugged played a big part in me not liking it anymore

[tight iron]

im not sayingi t's not a skill isuse

[cedar drum]

Ok out of curiosity… what do you play as…

[tight iron]

raptor

[cedar drum]

https://tenor.com/view/speechless-nathan-fillion-castle-stumped-gif-5469000

[tight iron]

but brother when you require everyone to have a phd in traveling you know we have ani ssue

[urban flax]

But that's not the case

[tight iron]

it is

[limber hull]

saying it is doesn't make it happen

[cedar drum]

I travel this map fine as carno

[urban flax]

You're the only one in this conversation who has a problem traversing gateway

[ancient zenith]

This is wrong on gateway if you don’t go to hotspots you won’t find people either but I get your point

[limber hull]

your entire arguments really have boiled down to "nuh uh"

thats all you got really

[tight iron]

sayingi t's not doesn't make it not happen

[cedar drum]

Or well… fine-ish… carno has its own little feud with cliffs

[tight iron]

then you havent read waht ive said

[cedar drum]

Buddy you are dying to cliffs as a raptor

RAPTOR

[tight iron]

used to

[inner kindle]

Will there be mechanic that makes dino sick if its mix packing diablos with dilos for example? Cuz its a problem kinda

[limber hull]

"wrong"

"it is"

"no"

"nope"

"quite the opposite"

"no sir"

"this is genuinely all wrong"

all translate to

"nuh uh"

[urban flax]

probably not

[inner kindle]

sad story

[tight iron]

sire you havent read it then

[urban flax]

Making dinos sick for mixpacking is kinda the most abusable thing that can be made

[inner kindle]

No, mixpacking is.

[limber hull]

well yea, you throw a bullet train at a cliff, it's gonna go flying

[cedar drum]

Then name your good arguments

[limber hull]

thats why, again, you slow down

[cedar drum]

This is true

[tight iron]

read again

[limber hull]

trotting has made me functionally immortal against hills

[ancient zenith]

Official server admin said that mixpacking and everything else is allowed on officials so probably not because the devs don’t want to lose 1/3 of there player base

[tight iron]

everything yall have said is literally trust me bro you blind

and things that aint even right

[limber hull]

hard to argue when all you got is "nuh uh"

[cedar drum]

From what I’ve read it does Kinda boil down to, nah you’re wrong

[limber hull]

and "wrong"

[urban flax]

9 reasons why stress debuffs are bad (Bubulblu's mixpacking List) :

1. Griefers can and will continue griefing even with debuffs, unless they lead to death, which would pose a much bigger problem.
2. Depending on the range and timing of debuffs occuring, players can abuse them by regularly getting away from each other and continue griefing.
3. It ruins prolonged fights. Some fights in the game can last for 30+ minutes, but the game cannot tell the difference between a fight where no one hits each other for some time and mixpacking.
4. Mixpacking isn't necessarily an issue. There is nothing wrong with a group of small dinos hanging around a larger one who they know cannot catch them.
5. Temporary alliances can be fine. Two groups of predators can hunt the same prey and decide to help each other until said prey is dead, or two prey animals could stand side-by-side to defeat a powerful predator, without being necessarily griefers. The point of the game is to maximize your chances of survival.
6. It promotes deathmatch gameplay instead of survival, by forcing players to either run away or kill anything that isn't their own species.
7. A fast dino can purposefully debuff a slower one by following it and causing debuffs. Again, griefers don't care if they're being debuffed.
8. It ruins hiding. In a jungle or near water, two players can be very close to each other without being aware of each other's presence. Debuffs occuring would give them away to each other.
9. Stress implies forcing psychological reactions on a player, which is a bad thing to do in a horror game. A dino has no reason to be stressed or afraid if the player controlling it isn't. The game should try to scare off the player themselves, not their character.

[tight iron]

read again

[urban flax]

You earned it

[cedar drum]

So name THE GOOD arguments

[tight iron]

im playing cera bro

go and read again i put many over there

[cedar drum]

I have, and there isn’t anything

[tight iron]

then you gotta re-read bruh

[inner kindle]

THey would not lose anyone. Just kinda dump to allow herbs walk with carnis

[limber hull]

i played on Spiro for over 3 years. But apparently it can do no wrong

[cedar drum]

You seem certain that there are so just say them again

[ancient zenith]

Half of this is some bs

[limber hull]

I got sick of Spiro, fast. Gateway, hasn't happened, because it is what I seek from a map

[tight iron]

^^

[urban flax]

Which half ?

[limber hull]

It's all pretty on point

[tight iron]

if you cant see my points yet then there is nothing that can b done

ive stated em very clearly

[limber hull]

As have we

But you say "no" and "wrong" so.

[tight iron]

no

re-read what i said

[cedar drum]

You can’t seem to remember your own points since you clearly don’t want to write them again

[limber hull]

arguments are only good if you make em

[tight iron]

im playing cera silly goober

[ancient zenith]

I get it ruining prolonged fights and that’s the hardest part about it when you say mixpacking isn’t a issue because a small dino hangs around a big one you have never been chased down a carno and 2 omnis after trying to kill a solo dibble

[tight iron]

and arguing with yall at the same time

i aint got time to put them here

[ancient zenith]

Some of it makes sense but a lot of it just sounds stupid

[cedar drum]

How to play cera, get diets, sit in bush

[icy lion]

@tight iron@limber hull@cedar drum If none of you are actually going to say anything and just go in circles of "nuh uh" then I think the convo can wait for a better time

[limber hull]

like?

[ancient zenith]

I typed it out already 💀

[tight iron]

i agree

[cedar drum]

Can I Nuh Uh that?

[urban flax]

That part does not fall into the "small dino hanging around bigger one" category

[ancient zenith]

Yeah but like you can’t just say mixpacking isn’t an issue In general

[tight iron]

nuh uh

[ancient zenith]

There is a way to fix it stress system or not

[limber hull]

it is an issue, but stress is horrible as a solution

[cedar drum]

I refute this with Yuh Uh

[ancient zenith]

Yeah I’m not saying it’s the solution

But yk what could be done instead is stress have it so when a herbi is near a carnivore and the herbivore is bleeding it gets a food debuff

[urban flax]

Mixpacking isn't an issue. Using it to grief others or get a combat advantage is.

[tight iron]

nuh h

[ancient zenith]

Fair

But yeah my only issues with mixpacking is that if I’m fighting a dibble it’s strong but it’s slow it has a weakness but when it’s teamed up with a fast carnivore I can’t do much yk

It takes away other Dino’s downsides

And it’s going to be worse with the new combat mutations

[urban flax]

Unless devs listen to the community and these are removed

[ancient zenith]

They really should just only have nesting and mutations that help you survive

And if they do keep them for the love of god make the inter species damage buff only for cera and deino

No reason a herbivore should be able to have it

Or even the non cannibals

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message @cosmic dock never cook again

[cosmic dock]

I always get ❌ on my ideas

[wooden agate]

because its not actually punishing the players

[cosmic dock]

But i think will prevent inbreeding

[wooden agate]

its punishing people who go "omg X is nesting! i totally want to be that right now!" and then they find out they're inbred and jump off the nearest cliff

[ancient zenith]

Idk it’s a realistic idea but it would also be a waste of time if would could get a playable instead yk

[wooden agate]

best way to prevent inbreeding is what the devs have already done

just not making it possible

[cosmic dock]

[wooden agate]

if you got nested in and saw you were inbred would you or would you not just drown yourself

it doesnt create challenge

[ancient zenith]

Oh yeah I would

[wooden agate]

its just "my mouth looks weird. i dont like this. bye bye"

[cosmic dock]

Lol true

[ancient zenith]

Like I said it’s a waste of time but it’s realistic

[bronze matrix]

@ancient zenith Food drain does nothing to a herbivore bc of grazing. Might even be a buff to get more nutritious plants in there.
A more effective way would be to increase the nutrient drain ...
that being said I'm not a big fan bc that would basically give every carnivore the ability to drain the food/nutrients of a herbivore which would extremely suck for them in a long hunt
it would feel really unfair for the herb

[ancient zenith]

Yeah I think draining the nutrients if better then food yeah but about the unfair part when ever I play herbi I feel like if I’m fighting a carni I will usually camp water or camp a wall and then wait it out because I can graze unlike a carnivore when they are hunting me it usually means they either need diets or are hungry and me losing diets the longer the fight goes on give me a incentive to not just camp and try to finish the fight fast

Even when I play carnivore it end having to sit their because somone will just camp water or a cliff edge

So it makes being hunted a little bit more scary

[bronze matrix]

i don't have that much of an issue with long fights
and the water part is kinda "dealt" with by deinos which rn are kinda scarce

it also depends on the carnivore you play
some carnis want long fights some want fast ambush kills

[crystal trail]

@ancient zenith Actually we hate mixpacking, at least when it comes to carnivore/carnivore and carnivore/herbivore mixpacking. Herbivore species hanging around with each other is fine. The issue is that you can't really outright prevent something like that in a game where players are controlling the animals, all you can do is deter them with negatives and the likes.

But the issue with something like your suggestion is, and as you said yourself, you'd have people running up close with the sole purpose of afflicting this debuff upon innocent players.

[ancient zenith]

Just sucks starving to death because a herbi has perf diet can graze and just camps a wall and idk draining nutrients might fix a little bit of both issues

[crystal trail]

You'd be surprised how far some people will go to grief anyone given the chance or the tools.

[ancient zenith]

Yeah I agree with you on that herbivores mixpacking isn’t a issue for me it’s when carnivores and herbivores team up just because they are friends

[ancient zenith]

Oh I’ve seen it lost my full grown carno because the sub dibble I was tryna kill on horsetest did not leave the water and had a croc protecting him

Ended up starving cause I could not find ai and I was not in a hotspot

[bronze matrix]

I've seen a good-ish suggestion about reducing growth when mixpacking but like a lot of other suggestions it can be easily outmaneuvered by just growing seperately and it does not do anything against adult mixpackers
mixpacking is a complex issue that needs a lot of finetuning

[ancient zenith]

Yeah but idk the losing diets in a prolonged fight would make people be more scared of things like dilo and Omni while it would not affect things like carno

And it would make people try to finish fights faster instead of camping

[bronze matrix]

but more importantly people would feel that it is unfair
imagine being a slow herb (dibble, stego) and you are constantly surrounded by carnivores
the carnivores knowing they could "hurt" you by decreasing diets would just drag out the fight
and due to them being faster than the herb they could do so for a long time (given they have some food in their bellies)

this would be a sucky experience for the herb

also it would probably make fights even longer

[ancient zenith]

True yeah has its downsides could make it so you need to deal any type of damage in a fight to keep the debuff going

Like a bite or even a pounce ect

[bronze matrix]

which then sounds more like a venom or a stress system of some kind
idk cool idea but I'm not completely on board with it

[bronze matrix]

also then it would not be a tool against mixpackers anymore since they would not bite eachother

[ancient zenith]

Yeah but idk mixpacking is a hard issue to solve and camping is never going to be ultimately fixed because the dinosuars are people controlled and people have brains

Both issues are just hard topics especially in a game where the difference between you or them dying and if you do die you could lose hours of progress

[bronze matrix]

yeah true

[dusky swift]

@fleet tiger Elephants are a bad example of large animals that are supposed to walk quietly.
Elephants have soft feet to reduce noise

An elephant can stand on your foot without destroying it

[fleet tiger]

thats cool as hell I didnt know that! But I still they should get rid of the boom sfx when big things take a step. They may be louder than elephants, but I doubt they were so loud it sounded like a mini tremor every time they took a step. Especially for diablo; a full grown adult sounds like a train when it runs

[dusky swift]

yes, it's a bit loud than realistic. could be toned down a bit. but I think it also give you the feeling of being colossal

[solid belfry]

"Mixpacking isn't an issue. It's only an issue when it's an issue." LMAO?

[lunar mist]

When you see a herd of herbivores, it is not an issue. When carno stuns you and his cera friend comes to chop your head off it kinda is.

[cyan flame]

More so that mixing, in the sense of multiple species being around each other isn't an issue, it's the active cooperation betweem them that throws off balance and is an issue.

[solid belfry]

That's called a herd and it's intended. Mixpacking is a different issue altogether

[tight iron]

@vale pawn it is not a bug btw

[vale pawn]

Nuh uh

[cyan flame]

Problem with that is that even herbs mixing can and do cause issues for balance

[tight iron]

lemme pull the screenie up

[cyan flame]

It is, I believe, intended. If you don't pick it, you can't get it later, so you can't save up to suddenly get better.

[tight iron]

(this was the question)

[vale pawn]

I take back my previous Nuh uh statement

[tight iron]

LOL

[vale pawn]

I still want my hypsi mutations

[tight iron]

i agree

[cyan flame]

Can't you get that if you get nested?

[vale pawn]

Yea

But i have to wait until someones nesting as hypsi

[cyan flame]

Well there you go, you just need to convince people to play as hypsi and nest. Which unfortunately is probably easier said than done

[snow spire]

thats a lot of work.. i think hypsi should be the only playable given the option to choose all three muts at fg as they never had the chance to select them in the first place

[void orchid]

Thoughts fellas? #general-feedback message

[bronze matrix]

the blood tracking over compass is prob something giga is going to get

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

[bronze matrix]

cool would be if you can smell dinos that didn't clean themselves on the regular
this could work nicely with the future maintenance mechanics

[void orchid]

Yeah im anxious to see it revamped so it feels like something that’s actually usable

[faint folio]

That's no less of an issue than when pachy breaks your leg and his stego friend comes to spike your brain. Lots of herbi mix groups cause major balance issues too

[lunar mist]

Yeah, you're right, forgot about it, Erik Eden put it better.

[faint folio]

Honestly... I think the isle needs to actively balance around cross-species packing, in 2 forms: if they're supposed to play nice together (most herbis), then they should be balanced so that others don't get nuked for trying to hunt you. If they're not ever intended to play with other species (most carnivores, herbis with carnis, some of the more problematic herbi combos) then there need to be mechanics such that it's rare to see those groups together - like separated migration routes for example

[analog owl]

Wtf how long does it take to fix one single insanely critical sound bug ?????? (Deino bug)

[faint folio]

Not long if it's the highest priority, however, they still have crash bugs, so... I'm guessing nobody is working that bug right now. Probably all hands on deck trying to isolate the fatal errors

[analog owl]

@faint folio This bug has been before the fatal error if im not mistaken

[faint folio]

I think it was, but that doesn't mean it was top priority prior to the fatal error either. There's different tiers of bug priority: usually, crash bugs first, then bugs that affect performance/permit players to do things that they shouldn't be able to (think hacks, glitching through walls, etc) depending on dev preference, then finally mostly harmless bugs that kinda stink to deal with but aren't game breaking. Deino making swimming sounds above the water when it shouldn't is in the latter category I suspect

[agile shuttle]

My goodness the Dibble sound bug is annoying lol

Well, if for everyone its like being a deaf person after 15 minutes

[muted tree]

My friend is having issues getting servers to show on the hoardetesting, what should we do?

[opaque inlet]

Wouldn't ancient carnivores that benefit from stealth be more likely to also have 'soft feet'?

I mean we don't KNOW but it seems like, they would use stealth more than adult elephants use it, and if adult elephants have evolved adaptions for it, I imagine so would carnivores...

At least we could make dilo a bit less loud.

[dusky swift]

@opaque inlet I don't think two-legged flat-footed animals ever existed, right?
It is more effective for weight distribution which is why sauropods had them. But you can't get a good sprint speed because the force is distributed over a larger area. and a slow hunter is less effective

[lethal quartz]

man, with inherited mutations, the recent influx of hackers and now omni's new grappling ability, I'm now seriously concerned about the future of this game. I'm getting BoB flashbacks TBH.

[opaque inlet]

Oh, well then that might depend on hunting tactic. Also, cats have managed soft feet, even the big ones - And it doesn't seem to have slowed them down.

[dusky swift]

@opaque inlet Cats are not flat-footed. the soft part comes from the paws. a mammalian evolution
Dogs have this too, for example

[wooden agate]

isnt it literally fixed in hordetesting lol

[tight iron]

fixed in hordetesting

[wooden agate]

@vital dock curious to know why you are against a scroll bar in the mutations list 🔥

[unique mirage]

@misty maple yeah feel the same and thought about something like this #general-feedback message

[misty maple]

👍 give it a vote up

[timber walrus]

the game is not playable with this fatal errors all the time.... thank you for the new dino and the rly good movements and new attacks but pls fix it+

[worldly remnant]

@misty maple sparring has no skill to it, it is pretty pointless right now since you just spam a button.. Make it more interesting
It's rather a roleplay feature?

[limber hull]

i think he just hates things

[wooden agate]

real 🔥

[misty maple]

i want it to be fun it is boring

[hollow crown]

it's not a roleplay feature when you're forced into sparring and is the only way you can fight back

[bronze matrix]

although it's probably not really feasible due to latency, I think it would be neat if sparring would be more timing based

[void orchid]

Would love to get people’s thoughts here on the new Omni Grapple #general-feedback message

[tight iron]

@rain hemlock already exists

[rain hemlock]

didn't work for me

tried /unstuck around others and it didn't happen

ig thats a bug then and i shoujld delete the feedback?

[tight iron]

r u on live branch or hordetesting

[rain hemlock]

hordetestiong

[tight iron]

then it's broken for some reason

[worldly remnant]

add challenge who can make the other get drown in ocean 🙂

[worldly remnant]

how to get forced into sparring?

[bronze matrix]

there need to be more cliff formations that you can use as an arena to push your opponents off lol

[worldly remnant]

North Cliffs pretty good for that, Twin Bridge Area

[unique mirage]

i mean its honestly better than just having LMB canni fights like deino has

[misty maple]

tf are u saying?

[hollow crown]

you can run and pin them down you can fight with stratedy witouth standing in one spot

[hollow crown]

if u don't know it means u havent tested enough im not gonna explain it to you.

[unique mirage]

you can jump out of the spar with space and slam them into the ground from the side

[hollow crown]

so they can put ypou right back in it

[limber hull]

strafe around them rather than letting them?

[hidden mist]

#general-feedback message I'm a bit concerned that it can be used in situations where you just want to check your surroundings.

[hollow crown]

brother they can have their ass touching my face it still locks on sparring is way too buggy

ppl talking did actualy no testing jesus christ

[limber hull]

yea thats why its in the testing lmao

why would i account for bugs in a discussion about how sparring is unskilled

they're literally bugs, they aren't a part of the mechanic

im aware sparring is glitchy, i've tested it enough myself to see that, i didn't know they were the basis of why sparring is unskilled

[worldly remnant]

hahaha

Regarding to the new updated zones in the hordetest. Server restarted, was one of the 1st herbis to get to the new swamp zone for dibble ony 2 kinds of food spawn, been here for 2h now and no dots are ever spawning even though in the preferred foods we have dots in swamps.

[wicked pine]

I just woke up and this got me cackling, made my day. 💀💀

[worldly remnant]

never happened to me and i sparred with 3 different people just today

[worldly remnant]

skill issue

[bronze matrix]

@knotty solar Somebody is playing Project Zomboid
I see you

[boreal briar]

@slim halo
1 - Their poor potato legs couldn't take that kind of manouvering.
2 - Would be way too strong.

Their niche is a front defense, with exposed sides and hella to the rear. But they make up for it by being tanky and a real bruiser.

If you back into a wall or rock to defend your sides and butt better, you can use the right click to just keep your head on a swivel to deter attacks and keep your defences up.

[limber hull]

pretty sure sparring exists specifically for the purpose of being able to defend yourself as you move in any direction

[safe hearth]

@limpid breach
#general-feedback message

What was your Grow?
Most animals are with 30% subadult. Its totaly fine, if pounce to pin kills you, if you "that age" or less than 60% grow

[wooden agate]

solo omni pins fg pachy full health full stam

[safe hearth]

Sad
But he is not talking about pachy ( different weight/ HP and so on)
We don't know how much grow he has as sub. If he was maybe on 30-40%: yeah he is a sub, but still small

[wooden agate]

yes but the fact that a solo omni can do that to a pachy is more than enough proof that it is op lol

it can also pin dilo, so theres that

[safe hearth]

Well no
Those both are the same tier and have just a 50kg difference.
So they are quiet even.

If dibble dies with 1,7t vs one omni
Then i would say= ok well, its a bit OP

[wooden agate]

notice how you didnt say anything about the dilo being pinned

also, an animal bigger than omni should not just sit down and die because the omni hopped on it lol

omni is quite literally small deino now

[lapis swallow]

Pachys are slower than Omni s and get oneshot by them. Find the issue

[wooden agate]

"hit rmb and win" except worse because you dont even have to be drinking or near water

perfect

[safe hearth]

Cause i can't say about it. I cant play on hordetest. And dilo dont weight about a ton. You COULD explain= well its not THAT unrealistic.
But a dibble is heavier. That why im just looking on that what he us talking about 🤗

[wooden agate]

a single omni pinning a fg dilo is insane im sorry to break that to you

[safe hearth]

Completely fine. No worries. Iam not the rule maker.
Just saying: it would be interesting how much weight/ grow his dibble had at that situation

[wooden agate]

sub adult dibble is around 1000kg-1500kg

so once again, insane

takes two (2) omnis to pin a fg cerato

[safe hearth]

I know its a game and not realitic at all. In some point the game is realistic and in some not.
Pachy vs omni= omni ptp him.
Its like in real life: a guy with 80kg carrys one with 75kg on its back
= try to get him off your back
<- very difficult

[wooden agate]

balance will always come before realism

and a singular omni winning the fight with one button press is not balanced

[safe hearth]

If it like this: 450kg vs 1t and more

• shouldn't be like that. Of Cause!
  Then it should be with 2 or 3 omnis= together over that weight to pin him

[lapis swallow]

In some points the game is just balanced very badly

[safe hearth]

Of cause.
In that situation its unbalanced sure.

The community use the word unbalance too often. In the most situation you can truely say: well that unbalance is balance= survival game. Some animals HAS to lose against others.
But like @wooden agate say: here is it too unbalanced

[weak yacht]

The "grapple being a finisher attack" idea makes 0 sense. If your prey is already that low and gonna die soon, let you both players have a bit more fun of fight time. Why add a useless inescapablre mechanic? You can just let it die either way lol

If it will exist, there should be a way to escape it, like, make it drain omni's stam very fast, or you can get out by bucking or something.

[hollow hamlet]

well tbf grapple is already a inescapable mechanic, my suggestion is to make it more difficult to pull off while playing and make it a more skillbased mechanic so its fair for both sides, but i do agree that bucking needs to be reworked as it is useless right now.

[cobalt galleon]

@lilac zenith Your kidding right bro

its too op

[lilac zenith]

Yeah ofc i am

[mental helm]

If anything the grapple needs to be nerfed and rebalanced appropriately instead of how unbalanced it is currently 😭

[cobalt galleon]

2 not fg utahs pinned me a 1000 kg dibble down

[mental helm]

4 omni can pin a fg steg down

[cobalt galleon]

so we need a nerf

[limpid breach]

So basically if ur a stego and there’s 4 omnis, ur dead… very balanced

[mental helm]

yurp

a utah can pin a fg teno down

[limpid breach]

How do the devs think that’s ok😭

[mental helm]

very balanced atm

[limpid breach]

A single Omni?

[mental helm]

from what I saw yeah

[limpid breach]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-percy-diggstown-303-deep-thoughts-gif-24091320

[hollow hamlet]

thats why grappling shouldnt just depend on weight and stamina!!! not balanced at all!!

[full pewter]

@hollow hamlet I honestly thought the philosophy you described in your post for grapple would be how it was gonna be executed in game.

[hollow hamlet]

I didn't expect it to be like that honestly, i knew it was gonna be broken in its first iteration so that's why i made my feedback post so maybe it can be implemented in some way!

[full pewter]

Hopefully, another issue I have is how little stam Omnis pounce uses, which mostly stems from the current stam system making drain overall less. Raptors shouldn’t be able to stay pounced as long as they do now

[hollow hamlet]

Exactly! bucking doesn't properly affects the pouncers whilst the pounced prey drains alot of stam, this makes the current omniraptor a powerful mess that requires 0 skill to play as! and personally i hate that's the case because the reason i play omniraptor is because i like how you need group coordination and skill to kill bigger prey.

[mental helm]

^^^^ highly agree with omni gameplay before the grapple came into play, I like it as a finisher if the prey is severely low in HP, or the bleed is highly low it would make sense.

[full pewter]

Bleed or damage yes, but not weight or stam imo

[mental helm]

yeah 100%

[hollow hamlet]

^^^^ i hope they adjust it in that way, cuz rn its simply not the best balance lol

[full pewter]

That’s what general feedback is for, I hope

[opaque inlet]

Same thing - They walk quietly.

It's like birds, bats, and butterflies. All of them fly, but they are not related, and their 'wings' are made of entirely different materials and may even function differently.

But effectively, they all fly.
And effectively, both tigers and elephants walk quietly.

When animals are not related, they often evolve things through a different method - But what an animal needs, they will often evolve.

(Or if they need it but don't evolve it then I suppose they go extinct)

Speaking of squishy feet, I keep pet chickens and they have squishy pads on their feet. I suppose when you're flightless walking more quietly is helpful, though I don't find that they seem to make much attempt to be quiet/I hear plenty of grass rustle around them.

[faint parcel]

im stuck as a diablo on hordtesting NA3 need help to get unstuck; please.

[silent karma]

Type: /unstuck in the chat

[icy lion]

@solemn galleon What? Cera can't impale anything

[solemn galleon]

i thought this ment that all cera types of dinosaurs could impale other dinos or ai?

wait im stupid

i read that wrong

[knotty solar]

@inland vigil why dont you like my feedback please explain i wanna know what you dont like about it?

[barren zephyr]

where is your feedback, I could give some thoughts

[knotty solar]

its the newest one posted

#general-feedback

[inland vigil]

The largest issue in the game is not lack of playables! Playables are the least of our concern right now between the core gameplay, the lack of purpose, lack of QoL, and how dead and sad the map feels. That doesn't even mention the copious amount of bugs which make the game near unplayable. Dinosaurs alone do not make the Isle good and I really disagree with that sentiment.

Also, saying people in the community are talented is fine, but it completely ignores a whole lot of other very relevant factors. People can be talented but have no idea how to work on game development. If they need more developers they'll hire more and the people in the community are absolutely a good source for that, but I don't think asking for devs to directly source from the community is a super great idea when again- talent ≠ being able to work on a development team

[barren zephyr]

I agree with the second part tbh, also even if they do find someone talented enough for the game it might not be up to the communities standards

[knotty solar]

Oh I get exactly what you are saying I am saying it is a big issue to be fair, But that is what I am saying ask help from the community I was just using playables as an example thats why I said "A lot of fans here have talent, troubleshooting, art and even modeling " asking help from the fan base was the main point you didnt even read.

[barren zephyr]

Asking for fanbase help can also lead to legal issues sometimes

[knotty solar]

Yes, but thats why they make an announcement to find someone with that talent ask a task from the allow them to do that task, and it can bring down the stress from the dev team I agree with both of your points but it feels like no one read mine though a lot of smaller game developers use their communites

[inland vigil]

I did read it but I'm not going to debate hence why I just dropped a nahh and didn't say anything here until you pinged me lol

[knotty solar]

Not unless you specify first, if you say for example its a non-paid position and temp pos they cant take you to court saying you gave them a job and didnt pay them

[barren zephyr]

I understand where you're coming from but they can't just ask for help like that, most certainly all developers have signed an NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement) where certain deadlines and work ethics have to be met.

[knotty solar]

Yes, that is true but you have to sign a NDA on anything you do even if you wanna become a mod, its a unpaid position

[barren zephyr]

Even if its unpaid they're so many challenges/cons the developers would have to worry about because this is a "random" from their community

[knotty solar]

lots of other games do it and have no issues

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so enough about it, was a stupid idea anyways

[barren zephyr]

Even with clear communication that positions are non-paid and temporary, there are potential legal concerns.

[knotty solar]

I also love how i'm being told what is good and what is not good by people who havent even been in the discord for 5 months.

[knotty solar]

How? People do it all the time to be fair call of duty did it for a long time they are a AAA studio the isle is a indie game studio

[barren zephyr]

Because contributors might feel exploited if their work significantly benefits the game commercially, and that could lead to reputational damage for the game

[knotty solar]

thats why they list that to start with

plus even youtubers are recommending it but i'm just some guy from the commuity,.

[barren zephyr]

im just seeing this now but this was an irrelevant thing to say lol

[somber elm]

@ripe quest Just thought you might want to know, Herrera has the saltwater mutation but you have to unlock it by drinking enough salt water to empty your water bar twice

[coarse spruce]

I always thought pinning in general was unfair and powerless for the victim. The only way to get out of it alive is if your attacker makes a mistake

Heck, an omniraptor weighs the same as a herrerasaurus at around the 25% mark and is eligible for a right click win

[tight iron]

the only way to get pinned was by making a mistake or be stupidly unlucky so it is fair

well, was and still is (exclude pounce to pin)

if pin is unfair, ram is unfair, charge bite is unfair, and every 1 tap or very likely to be 1 tap is unfair merely because it doesn't let you defend yourself right after you're doomed

you committed a mistake so you got pinned. i committed a mistake so i got rammed and 1 tapped. i committed a mistake so i got 1 tapped by a charge bite to the head, see what i mean? it's not unfair, it's simply a mistake

[barren zephyr]

Huh there will be at some point where something is unfair and not deemed as a “mistake”

[coarse spruce]

I'd argue all those have a degree of anticipation. Sound cues, charge up times, and they belong to dinosaurs that in some sense aren't good on their feet.
Pinning comes attached to a fast moving and tightly turning playable.
Carnos can be out manoeuvred and ceras can be out ran, particularly by everything that is one hit as you say

There's a very small margin for error when against a raptor heavier than you. Not to mention the desync doesn't help but that's a whole issue that ruins a lot of things

[ripe quest]

does herra actually have saltwater mutation? someone told me it does...

[north quiver]

drink salt water until red a few times until you no longer have the fluid deficient status in your tab menu. south plains is the best because fresh water to fill back up is right by ocean water

[ripe quest]

im at that water fall rn xD an i keep throwing up does that happen?

[north quiver]

yep just keep gulping that salt water until that fluid deficient status disappears, and it’ll appear in your mutation list. you’re likely to throw up a few times

[lucid sinew]

Looks like the predictions for Omni grappling was correct…a bit busted right now.

[ripe quest]

thank youououo!!!!! i got it 😄

[frank osprey]

Does anyone else keep crashing in the lobby since grappling patch?

[urban bear]

@rough scroll Pounce to pin isn't tied to stam you get pinned full stam full health.

[warm blaze]

@solar salmon or just make a reporte for cheat you show steam id and he will get banned

[mystic parcel]

@pseudo oar server pop isnt the cause of fatal error. ive played in a 170 server pop and didnt deal with fatal errors

[hasty fractal]

I think this is a speed hacker because no cera should run that fast.
#general-feedback message

Even if it has the noctural buff, it can't run that fast.

[slim halo]

@next jewel definitely a hacker, this is a hitbox cheat (he isn't going faster than you or ima tripping) but there's no stuttering, ur ping is fine, fps is fine, no rubberbanding and even if it was ping, you'd be out of his range by now

[worldly remnant]

@forest quartz i agree with that it needs work in general and afaik bucking gets a rework too.
What i dont like about your suggestion is, that you can maybe defend yourself and fight a pack of 5 Raptors of, kill 3 even, but then get pinned and are locked to death, because you only have 20% health and/ or stamina. It makes the situation better as long as yu are full HP and Stam, but is the same like now if not.
I think Bucking rework that you can escape a pin and some nerf to it hpw and when it can be applied is the best way.

[tight iron]

raptors can be heard (complicated), raptors can be seen, pounce can be invalidated only by using terrain, so there's a degree of anticipation, specially for the things it hunts (herrera, dryo, galli, etc)

[tight iron]

agreed, not the case with pin tho

i know it sucks to be pinned, but it doesn't make it unfair, when im playing something and i can be pinned, i logically take precautions, ending up in me never being pinned excepting when im a juvie

in the rare occasion that im playing herrera, i use the height of the tree i am on to see if there's raptors, i smell for corpses, i search for clues that raptors are there, etc

[teal ermine]

So I got a question, when nesting improves more and with mutations etc....will there be a family tree or it'll show your parents to prevent from accidental inbreeding would that even be a feature in the game?

[tight iron]

you legitimately can't be pinned if you really don't want to

[tight iron]

no idea

[limber hull]

it's definitely unfair when you're a 1-2 animal and are taken down by two raptors with relative ease, despite being unable to escape them

[tight iron]

you only need to go to a slope that goes downhill and watch as the raptors either leave or try to pounce you and die to fall damage (invalidated right there)

[tight iron]

not when you already had a chance to know they were here and you missed it

[limber hull]

no, it's def still unfair since you can't actually escape them

[mystic parcel]

agreed. especially with how raptor pin just lets you teleport onto a dino

[tight iron]

no because you had the chance to see them and you literally can escape

[mystic parcel]

u literally cannot excape

[limber hull]

with your slower speed and less stam, i'm sure

so is this with or without speedhacks?

[tight iron]

you cant escape when pinned but you can just dodge the raptor

[mystic parcel]

dodging a raptor?

[tight iron]

break his ankles and get on a tree as a herrera

sounds dumb but it ain't that complicated

[limber hull]

i'm not talking about herrera, i'm talking about the current roster of animals that are slower and can't do it

[worldly remnant]

@ripe quest is already in HT and possible

[tight iron]

they'll go crazy and pin each other