general-feedback-discussion

[icy lion]

The reduced damage is due to a bug

[spice lark]

your prob right tho

[spice lark]

**almost certainly right XD

I guess my only point was it still makes me avoid ceratos(as a carno for instance), so thats arguably a "use".... but apparently it is factually underpowered rn cause bug

[unreal ridge]

honestly it doesn't do much, with the puke cool down (at least from my experience) cerato can get tanked pretty easily by carno alt bites

[faint folio]

@hidden mist I like your suggestion! but in addition i'd like to suggest a single word description of status instead of color -- green could be "healthy", yellow "injured", orange "severe injury", and red "near fatal" or something like that. nothing that gives more indication of health percentage than the color, just maybe gets the idea across better than "green"

[latent olive]

yeah I was going to say the same thing

since you know

how are colourblind people going to know what those colours are

[faint folio]

well, they can still know what colors are, even if they dont see it (and some may be only partially colorblind or not born colorblind). but really my point was rather than just saying a color, having useful (possibly flavored?) text would be nice, even for new players

[latent olive]

👍

[faint folio]

since the menu is flavored like an EA tool to monitor the specimen's health and activity, why not lean into it a bit more?

AE*

[icy lion]

Yea I miss the health status terms from legacy

Loved just seeing SUFFERING when I opened the character tab lmao

[faint folio]

lol that would be amazing

[slim echo]

Halgor estas?

estoy stuck!!

[hidden mist]

I added that, thank you. It's really better this way x)

[oblique fable]

I was late too this feedback suggestion- but @bronze matrix I adore this suggestion like no tommorrow#general-feedback message

it's such a simple thing to include but it's such a fitting and useful mechanic that makes rotten corpses not so useless too other animals

[bronze matrix]

thanks! :)
I main small carnivores like troodon and herrera and it's a real struggle finding food in their juvi phase. It happened a couple of times that I had to eat rotten flesh and hope that this gets me far enough to find actual food just to vomit and starve anyways. That was really frustrating ...

[brazen dagger]

what is the context of that clip goodness

[lunar sedge]

Hacking Deino I think able to grab a Herra out the tree.

[vivid delta]

i was 19 in queue and when i was about to get in..it said Server is full..get in queue..like WHAT??

[winter void]

joins the queue because a server is full ... gets kicked for full server ...players be like.. YoU DoNt SaY ! 😄
but ye happens sometimes sadly

[tall hearth]

#general-feedback message

Upvote my foraging suggestion. If foraging got the buffs it for sure deserves surviving as a small juvi wouldn't be as hard

[tight iron]

@idle briar smth like that is coming in the next patch

i think it's depending on the amount of blood and stamina the prey has left, a few raptors will be able to pin it down

[lyric pollen]

#general-feedback message just to further back my claim (not my clip btw)

[bronze matrix]

it's probably a stupid question but how do you get like those short links to other messages? 😅
when I copy links i just get huge https links

[lyric pollen]

right click on a message and click "copy message link" @bronze matrix

[bronze matrix]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/423939730544132096/1239274412017061960

yeah i kinda just get this huge https link

[lyric pollen]

#general-feedback-discussion message

[lyric pollen]

idk

do u put a space after it?

[bronze matrix]

maybe it's something in the settings

doesn't work

well it's not that important (i don't want to spam offtopic stuff in this channel)
I'll try to google it later ... thanks for the help tho :)

@hidden mist isn't that already implemented
when I do the 1-call and press it longer the sound icon indicates that it's louder

[lyric pollen]

its broken rn and doesnt work

[bronze matrix]

oh

[lyric pollen]

its a priority to fix rn tho

[void orchid]

lmao my feedback was instantly deleted

Anyone know if any of the feedback actually leads too anything or just a place to make people feel heard

[bronze matrix]

what was your feedback?

[feral solstice]

It has, time and time again, as long as it’s constructive

[feral solstice]

These are the worst ceras in existence. They would’ve won had they actually aimed their bites.

That is not good enough evidence to suggest it’s broken.

[lyric pollen]

my point still stands

they shouldve won anyway

[feral solstice]

And my point is it’s a skill issue

[lyric pollen]

there is no universe where 2 ceras shouldnt defeat a teno with 2 diets and 0 stamina

[feral solstice]

We don’t need to nerf something because two players were too poor in combat. That is a massive recipe for disaster and is the reason why balance is so bad right now

You bring the skill of players up, not decrease the skill cap to compensate

[lyric pollen]

if anything the change increases the skill cap ?

[feral solstice]

No because you’re also guaranteeing actually skilled players will lose during most fights

[lyric pollen]

rewards skill and good use of stamina even more

[feral solstice]

It’s not rewarding someone for good use of stamina. It’s punishing players for not following a standard,

[lyric pollen]

is that a bad thing? punishing players who use up all their stam?

[feral solstice]

It already does, by bringing you closer to death, which is what happened to the teno.

[lyric pollen]

obviously its not enough

[feral solstice]

If the ceras had succeeded in biting them a couple times more, that teno would’ve dropped

[feral solstice]

It’s also very obviously a skill issue

[lyric pollen]

its more then a skill issue

no matter the level of skill, those ceras shouldve killed that teno

[feral solstice]

You’re actually calling for destroying variability in the game. It shouldn’t be “easy” for those ceratos, which is what you’re proposing by nerfing the damage even more.

[lyric pollen]

it should be easy for ceras when the teno is already low on health and has 0 stam

[feral solstice]

The fact they could’ve killed the teno suggests it was a skill issue.

[cyan flame]

Depends on if it makes you more or less defenseless, wasn't it a bad thing that you just kind of die when out of stam?

[feral solstice]

If the ceratos are bad, they should die, plain and simple.

[lyric pollen]

u dont cuz u can still alt attack

[lyric pollen]

if that teno is on 0% stam and low health, it should die. plain and simple

[cyan flame]

Yes but your suggestion is to make it much worse, yes?

[feral solstice]

^

[lyric pollen]

yes

[cyan flame]

Then you do want to make things defenseless when out of stam

[lyric pollen]

weaker*

[cyan flame]

No, it's already weak

[feral solstice]

It makes teno defenseless

[lyric pollen]

barley

[lyric pollen]

teno can kick 50 times before running out of stam

[cyan flame]

25%, if that is accurate, is not "barely"!

That is noticable

[feral solstice]

Ah yes! The tenonto should’ve kicked despite no stamina!

Great argument…

[tight iron]

this is just... a horrendous skill issue

like seriously a teno with no stamina

[cyan flame]

On top of that you can only regen stam while resting, so the whole "up until 20%" is not neccesary

[tight iron]

vs 2 ceras and still wins

[cyan flame]

If target sits down in the middle of combat, target dies, at least in relatively "equal" matchups

[feral solstice]

They missed like 5 bites that would’ve killed the teno.

[tight iron]

they missed 900 kill chances at this point

[lyric pollen]

i dont think this convo is gonna go anywhere

[feral solstice]

And one of them kept standing still thinking the bites would land

[tight iron]

yes 😭

[feral solstice]

We’ve already questioned the logic of your feedback.
Its not sufficient enough to warrant a nerf regardless, except “I hate spamming”,

[cyan flame]

I mean, you're convinced that it's not good enough, while not at all taking skill into account. But that does make me wonder, should a single omni be able to kill a stego, no matter how bad that stego is?

Because if the sentiment is "teno should not win vs two ceras no matter how bad they are", then that really should apply to a lot of playables

[lyric pollen]

a 450 kg animal vs a 6 ton creature is not that same as 2 1300kg creature against a very weaken 1600 creature with 0 stam

[cyan flame]

Which is, in my experience, not at all how people like it, since I've seen a lot of "with enough skill you can solo things"

[lyric pollen]

anyways my dinner is ready

[lyric pollen]

thats mot what i said

[cyan flame]

It is, when it comes to how you play and your skill, the power difference does not matter for the argument

[cyan flame]

No?

[lyric pollen]

yes it does, along with the circumstances

[lyric pollen]

THAT teno. not tenos in general

[cyan flame]

... Thats not how it works

[lyric pollen]

. i would love to continue but i gtg 😔

[tight iron]

well if they dont understand how this game works...

[cyan flame]

That teno, was clearly good enough, or the ceras were not good enough, this could happen again

[tight iron]

if i solo a stego as a raptor who barely even knows how to swing, it doesn't warrant a nerf

it just screams skill issue in all languages even in braille

[cyan flame]

No, it does not. You literally claim that at some point skill should not matter, then try to change it when given examples. Why is that particular teno, or cera, not skill relevant?

[bronze matrix]

jeez you guys strawmaned him into oblivion

[cyan flame]

Really? Cause not a single thing was a strawman

[tight iron]

me on my way to get a debating degree just to discuss in the islecord:

(real)

actually hol on imma do it gimme 4 years

[bronze matrix]

well he kinda just said: "Hey this teno makes too much damage for it having 0 stam"
and you guys went: "clearly you mean that skill should not matter"

[barren crater]

That's my clip lol

and also those guys just sucked if i'm being real?

I would never lose to a teno that was out of stamina

[feral solstice]

This server is literally political debate (prove me wrong)

[tight iron]

i cant prove wrong something that is straight facts

[barren crater]

btw a teno on 0 stam deals 25% less damage and i was also wounded in the end so my damage was even less

[cyan flame]

Did I not provide the example of his statement? He's the one that said "should have killed that teno", implying that it wasn't a skill issue there. And then the question is, where do you put "skill issue", at what point do you blame the player and not the stats? If a single stego is so bad that it gets soloed by a troodon, is it the stego player, or the stats?

[tight iron]

i dont think that was a strawman at all

[strange quiver]

I'm going to chime in and say I personally despise the idea of anything being able to kill anything solely based on skill level alone. That's why games like BoB and PoT fall flat to me in comparison, because watching a huge animal get 1v1d to death by a raptor smaller than its foot is just.... ehhh.

If two ceratos can't kill a teno with no stam, the teno deserves the win outright. Teno can be baited while the second goes for a bite.

I was in an 4 fg omni pack recently that took on a teno that backed itself against a cliff, and with patience we kept it standing and bled it out with only one loss to our group.

The teno was out of stam backed into a corner as a last resort, spamming alt. Irl animals will fight until their dying breath to survive. Seems fine to me.

[cyan flame]

And if you would argue that in the stego example, it's a terrible stego player, what makes the ceras exempt here from being terrible ceras?

[barren crater]

I agree with this 100%

[tight iron]

i mean, if it is a tremendous skill issue you should die

cant really do anything about that

[cyan flame]

Oh I would personally agree, I just think the argument should be applied in all cases. And I've seen many people argue that if omni is good enough, or even troodon, it should be able to solo stegos, or teno/carno for a troodon (if we go by size and power).

[barren crater]

They could have puked me as well and waited out my hunger and water without taking any further damage and I was dead. So many options but they face tanked

[cyan flame]

But that's why I asked the "where does skill end and stats begin" question

[tight iron]

if i as a human for some stupid reason take on a cape buffalo that doesn't know how to fight and win, well, astronomical skill issue

[cyan flame]

And that, I believe, is a rather subjective question

[strange quiver]

That's what I'm saying though. I'm arguing against destroying variability, while also saying some matchups are just rough for a reason.

[tight iron]

oh then i misread it

i thought you meant that something small should never, regardless of the skill, win against something way bigger

[strange quiver]

No worries I'm on mobile so it's harder to get my points across cohesively rn

[tight iron]

of course

me omw to kill a fg stego as a hatchling troodon:

[strange quiver]

I'm against x thing will always win against y thing because of z.

[cyan flame]

Also if that teno was out of stam, just... bite it's rear. Bait an alt, have your partner bite. It can't kick or slam, and now you need to sit down to regen stam, so no need to worry

[barren crater]

They didn't even use the puke stun to get in more hits either

They had so many options

[lyric pollen]

i see your guys point now

[strange quiver]

In PoT for example you inherently have an inherent advantage in numbers. The cera v teno situation in that case would have been a clean wipe in the ceras' favor in the other pvp oriented dino games because you can just abuse hitboxes and spam bite to win.

In those types of games something tiny like troo would be able to ankle bite stego to death on the regular simply because of its tiny hitbox.

I was basically just saying I heavily prefer the isle having wiggle room with its match-ups and not solely being "this will always beat this for this reason".

[lyric pollen]

i deleted the post cuz i dont really agree with it anymore

also mb bird for using ur clip without asking

[strange quiver]

Low stam teno winning just means the teno was good and the ceras should have played more carefully. Saying it should have been doomed at 0 stam is akin to those other games just handing over wins due to gimmicks and numbers alone.

[barren crater]

Nah it's fine dw

I was just trying to give more context (Which i failed to do anyways)

but those ceras weren't even legit ceras anyways. They had infinite stam it seemed. I had full stam and ran when I saw them running up to me

Likely stam hacking so idrc if they folded like that

[lyric pollen]

ill gab a hotdog

[feral solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/look-chef-chris-cho-corn-dog-do-you-want-some-do-you-want-a-bite-gif-22681207

[lyric pollen]

now that looks disgusting

[feral solstice]

😦

[bronze matrix]

yeah you are right. I should not have said that ... sorry
as I read it he was just talking about this circumstance of no stam and you guys extrapolated it to any circumstance
but the extrapolation was a fair point
I didn't see that (sorry again)

[feral solstice]

Oh you’re fine, debates like these are normally more heated, but it wasn’t that bad.

[tight iron]

sorry for what lolz, you're good man

[bronze matrix]

what I said was really snarky
I really need to work on that 😅

[bronze matrix]

@strange quiver I would love to see PTs being able to divebomb for fish or maybe even do tricks in the air like barrel rolls as evasive maneuvers

[wintry solar]

YES PLEASE

[bronze matrix]

imagine how cool it would be if they could also divebomb beipis and then just carry them away

[wintry solar]

I wanna grab freshie deinos and drop em to their death

[winter void]

isnt that a concept for quetz ? 😄
i mean would be fun 🙂

[formal kayak]

From what we can tell, quetz will likely be grabbing things, alive or dead we cannot yet say

[winter void]

still awesome

[wintry solar]

bro that sounds amazing

i can't wait for quetz 😄

[formal kayak]

Yes, join the quetz army

[spiral arch]

what the hell happened to the servers? only 2 east servers???

went from being able to play on any server to none lmao

[warm blaze]

@hushed island if you make a suggestion for small herbivores I don't see why you don't include small carnivores with

[hushed island]

I guess ptera should have better stam aswell but troodon stam should stay the same

[warm blaze]

and why that ? it's small carni

[warm blaze]

frankly I just have the impression that you want to favor the herbi more than the carni as if the herbivore were not already advantageous, you have to stop with your preferences you do this for him you also do this for the other what is this difference that you make

[tight iron]

#general-feedback message what about carnis tho

just as if troodon stam isn't one of the worst in the game right now...

[warm blaze]

I find the tenon very cheating

[limber hull]

how

[tight iron]

wot

[limber hull]

what does that have to do with what he said

[tight iron]

um which teno wtf

[limber hull]

honestly, i've found troodon to be very stam efficient

[tight iron]

might be me then

everytime i play troodon i just have no stamina to pounce the mfin dino im tryna kill

it's not even a big one, very small subs and so on

[cyan flame]

You two should play troodon together!

[warm blaze]

the thing can spam the tail hits without losing a lot of stam

[tight iron]

real

[tight iron]

puts you in an animation lock

kick and tail slam make you vulnerable to attacks, so better land them

[cyan flame]

To be fair, teno can attack a bit too much, take some of the attack stam from teno and give to stego, please and thank you!

[limber hull]

use the trot, troodon has a REALLY good trot

[tight iron]

oh yeah that's for sure

but if for example a 22% cera im tryna kill decides to run away, well...

gonna take a while to regen my stamina if i want to keep up with him

and with a while i mean follow him sit near him lose all the pounce progress and then start again

[warm blaze]

back kicks no you're not invulnerable

[tight iron]

the way i hunt tenos with other raptors is that you keep baiting both kicks and slams, and one person quickly runs and bites him in the head

it takes about 25-30 headshots to kill a teno and they literally all die

the strat must be working correctly dont you think?

[vital laurel]

@finite panther what are you talking about

[warm blaze]

the guy just comes at you imagine you want to bite him he turns around and kicks you you fall to the ground and you die bh yes he turns around quickly and his kick is too fast

[cyan flame]

That'd be why you have one or more packmates, so you can bait attacks

[finite panther]

I'm talking about the statistics not being representative in the game, it's distorted

[vital laurel]

What staticits?

You mean weight and bite force

[finite panther]

all, life, speed, damage

[vital laurel]

And how are they wrong?

They are showing to value that they are, they aren’t bugged lol

[tight iron]

uh no

even while being a solo cera you can easily avoid that

[limber hull]

they're all accurate

there is no conspiracy lol

[latent olive]

except the biteforces

[vital laurel]

I hope you don’t mean to make the bite force realistic cus the denio would make 5-100k dmg

[chrome pivot]

so you want deino to be able to one shot any creature below 30 000kg in weight?

[latent olive]

tfw deinosuchus leftclicks shant's ankle and it explodes

[chrome pivot]

because thats how the current damage system would work with realistic biteforce

[tight iron]

💀

[limber hull]

dont look at legacy stats

they're horrid

[tight iron]

carno par on par with utah 😭

[latent olive]

ignoring rex and its godlike biteforce that would render a brachiosaurus' leg into pixels

[chrome pivot]

the current damage system is 1N = 1dmg, and 1kg = 1hp (weight is there too iirc, but this is simplified)

[finite panther]

in game a utah killed me being in adult herrera, the herrerra weighs 170kg, I made myself a carno I was 300kg so heavier than a herrerra and yet the utah killed me twice as fast that the herrerra

I conclude that the stats in the game are not the real ones

[cyan flame]

Did it kill you in the same manner? Bites, or a pin?

[finite panther]

for both times it was the special attack

[limber hull]

not every attack works the same lol

[idle briar]

uhhh someone pinged me in this chat

[finite panther]

develop more

[cyan flame]

Hm, and the omni in both cases were fully grown?

[finite panther]

yes

[limber hull]

what

[finite panther]

"not every attack works the same lol" what do you mean ?

[limber hull]

a herrera and omni won't kill the same way

[finite panther]

you totally understood nothing

[limber hull]

then be more understandable

[finite panther]

I was, it’s you who doesn’t understand

[cyan flame]

He's claiming that an omni killed him, both as a herrera and a carno, and that he died faster to the omni as carno than herrera despite the carno being larger. Which thus makes the health values seem off.

At least how I understood it

[limber hull]

then there was an external factor

[finite panther]

yes you understood correctly

[finite panther]

gentleman in denial

[limber hull]

what

if you died as something with 300HP faster than something at 175HP, there's external factors

it's not denial, it's math

[warm blaze]

mathematical 🤣 in that which says it is logical he has more life and this kills more quickly

[finite panther]

yes that's right there are people he doesn't want to hear

external factor 🤣

[hidden mist]

So pounce raw damage differentiates between dinosaurs?..

[limber hull]

no

again, there has to be an external factor as to why the carno died faster

[limber hull]

there also is evidentally a person you don't want to hear lol

[vital laurel]

There is locational dmg and weird bite registration lol

[limber hull]

yea, but he said he got pounced

which ignores those things

[vital laurel]

Did he time it or is it all on like feel

[limber hull]

i assume its on feel, but no clue

[hidden mist]

I’ll try to test that on an admin server today

[toxic flame]

au server is still cooked, 45/100 yet a 35 que

[warm blaze]

rec for proof

[hidden mist]

Aight

[wooden agate]

@bold vine #general-feedback message pteranodon would have done no such thing

it makes sense that they get nommed by juvie deinos. they're hollowboned things that are barely hip height. fragile

[bold vine]

My bad I guess

I’ll delete my feedback and go cry brb

😂

[wooden agate]

there could def be ways to make ptera more enjoyable tho

without giving him better combat potential

[limber hull]

people just want quetz-lite lol

[winter void]

like carnos bleed out like a pig and that omni may applies more dmg on pounce since it bleeds em out as well ? 😄
may died quicker to bloodloss than actual dmg ?

[limber hull]

doubt they'd bleed that fast

[winter void]

dont know the times on it just looking for a possible solution 😄
its still a tiny carno less weight as raptor being pinned id say. and gettin pinned always a quick thing tho.
may it just felt faster but i could see carno haveing some kind of debuff against pinned down 😄

[vital laurel]

#general-feedback message

[warm blaze]

@warm terrace I might also have to stop using gamma

[proven ferry]

Why is the audio lagging all the time?

[warm terrace]

😄

[limber hull]

Why do people want this besides cera main/head look better bite
#general-feedback message

i dont understand where the idea that a compact skull not being able to deliver much force comes from

[warm blaze]

find out, man, the bigger teeth are made to crush bones, the fine teeth are used to draw blood and seen the crane of the cera compare to that of the carno it has more force in this bite🤨

[limber hull]

no hablo espanol senor

[dark nymph]

The cera does have superior biteforce

Why does thr carno have more?

[limber hull]

because in this game, cera does not have a superior bite force

[warm blaze]

lol it's not espanol

[limber hull]

because it is a video game, not real life

[limber hull]

thats what you want me to think

[dark nymph]

Balancing reasons I guess but then again the cera does have the superior biteforce because charged bite

[midnight heath]

Realism? Wait until they hear about the Matriarch, the funky people, the holographic clones, the robotic quetz, etc.

[dark nymph]

But they need to buff deinos bite 500 is pathetic compared to stegos 1200

[midnight heath]

No

[warm blaze]

yeah it's true it's a fantasy game

[dark nymph]

But people don't complain when rex gets a 1500n biteforce

[midnight heath]

Deino can insta kill everyone on the rooster basically via right click. It doesn't need a bite buff.

[limber hull]

i will if it does lol

[radiant nest]

I’m guessing more around 850

[dark nymph]

Yea no you all know that rex is the golden child of the isle

[radiant nest]

Stego does 1k not 1200

[limber hull]

cerato's charged bite is also designed to make up for the lack of bite force by giving it a mega damaging super bite

[midnight heath]

Legacy 1200n making a comeback (God I hope not)

[limber hull]

no, he's right, it's 1250 on the swing

[radiant nest]

Wait since when

[limber hull]

since ever

[radiant nest]

What

[limber hull]

since stego was added i think actually

[midnight heath]

It's almost like steg can't chase you or move while attacking to hit you

[warm blaze]

yes but the basic bite should be higher

[midnight heath]

Ceras bite is fine, it doesn't need to be higher for what it is. It's niche is corpse bully, not a hunter.

[limber hull]

it doesn't need it at all

[radiant nest]

Btw neither were built to crush bones

[warm blaze]

with you there is never a need for anything

[limber hull]

there's a need for many things

not a cerato bite buff

[warm blaze]

go find out

[limber hull]

sceptic bite and charged bite exist for that very purpose

[radiant nest]

Charged bite is rather broken at the moment though

But I’m interested to see how cera gets changed with the tweaks Don mentioned

@waxen thistle try hitting apply in settings every time you log in to a server

[winter void]

well its still a good point that a bone eating beast has less biteforce than a "small game" hunter 😄
wiht chargebite working fine its no big deal but atm being not doing its thing it feels kinda F´d <.<
ceras biteforce is fine balancewise 150 base is ok. just dont get why carno need more
btw its assumed long cera teeth where used for internal bleeding since it would pierce organs of prey up to its size.

would even make chargebite less but add more on bodies make it even bullier 😄

[limber hull]

because carno has a much slower bitespeed

[winter void]

that would make sense balance wise for dps but thats kind of its own ... and we dont wanna get all dinos to same calculated dps do we ?

[warm blaze]

said bluntly the carno it's your favorite it will go faster

[limber hull]

i dont like carno that much lol

it's probably one of my least played animal

[winter void]

beside that id always rather take higher biteforce than bite speed since we wont facetank each other therefore the higher bitefoce is most times better imo

[limber hull]

why would you assume i want that

[warm blaze]

in legacy the cerato kill a carno easily I don't see why it should change

[barren crater]

No it didn’t

[limber hull]

that straightup isn't true lol

[winter void]

ehm

thats dps balance tho

[limber hull]

that doesn't mean i want every creature to have the same dps lol

[winter void]

just carno with higher ones XD
sry had to 😄

[barren crater]

That’s apart of the overall balance though?

[winter void]

true

but just bitespeed as defense for a higher biteforce is a wierd argument to me 😄

[warm blaze]

come to Legacy in sandbox we'll see if I don't kill you easily even in rex sub I killed him easily

[barren crater]

There’s nothing easy about it lol. Easy would be that you took barely any damage

[winter void]

still this aint about personal skill and fight but about the logical reason behind those biteforce wasnt it ?

[barren crater]

Realistically Carno bites harder than cera

[limber hull]

also what does legacy have to do with evrima balance

[barren crater]

In game it’s also the much larger predator that is meant to hit harder and not spam as many bites. In and out

Hit and run / ambush smaller creatures for good damage

[limber hull]

AMBUSH RAAGH

[barren crater]

I mean you’ve been needing to ambush most creatures since forever

Suicide to hunt a pachy without ambushing one lol. Snipe and run

[warm blaze]

your a comic you say that it's not true that the cera on Legacy is stronger than the cera and then you change the subject in short to conclude and it is scientifically proven bigger skull the bigger the teeth could maintain prey and crush bones which says crushing bones necessarily means more damage the fine teeth did not allow me to maintain the prey but just to make them bleed that is why I ask to increase the bite force

[limber hull]

Where is it written that cerato has a higher biteforce than carno

Scientifically

Or is it "skull look bigger"

[latent olive]

Carno’s jaws are built for the bite

a compact jaw with a lot of muscle is also rexes forte

[minor field]

What seems to be happening at this hour

[latent olive]

ye olde “cerato vs Carno” discussion

[minor field]

Yeah aren’t abelisaurids known for having pretty strong jaws since well, they didn’t have any other way to kill prey

[minor field]

Fun

[warm blaze]

go and document yourself

[latent olive]

if we’re talking pure, unadulterated jaw force, then carnotaurus wins

however there are many factors at play

maybe ceratosaurus had an unholy amount of muscle in its neck that powered a huge bite

[wooden agate]

gamma is bannable lol

[minor field]

Or maybe cera can just be such a massive inconvenience that carno wouldnt want to fight it to begin with, wait… it’s almost as if they’re tryna do that.

[latent olive]

ceratosaurus crushed bones I guess, but carnotaurus was legitimately taking down sauropods

[minor field]

Basically I don’t think upping its bite force is the way to go and instead just make bile more potent then you’re good

[latent olive]

Dwarf sauropods yes, but still goddamn sauropods

[minor field]

Yeah carno is no joke irl lol

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message if you downvoted this i hate you

[latent olive]

Dondi eluded to cerato’s septic bite getting something for when the opponent has nothing left to vomit

[warm blaze]

@barren zephyr why do you want to close Legacy while evrima is buggy

[latent olive]

Because legacy is even buggier

[wooden agate]

because legacy outdated, worse, and frankly more buggy than evrima lol

not to mention, its functionally false advertisment whilst having it on the steam page. (not legally but cmon... you will not know about evrima if you just stumble across the isle on steam)

[warm blaze]

on Legacy there are no sound bugs or crashes and you don't starve legacy is much more stable than evrima

[wooden agate]

dont forget carno and cera functionally cant nest without logging out first

and the fact that if you sit down, theres a chance you start sliding in a specific direction (cant move any other way) when you stand up

or the fact the entire community has hacked maps/skins

[latent olive]

my brother in replicator, parasaurolophus can’t use its flailing legs attack, trex has a wider attack radius when turning, and you are liable to having your personal details stolen just by joining a server from china

[warm blaze]

How many hours do you spend on the game?

[minor field]

On legacy there are practically no difference in playables, the combat sucks, the game is way more unbalanced, the servers are nearly dead combined with the thousands of fake servers, the only existing servers have obnoxiously intrusive rules that make the experience worse, the maps are worse, the performance sucks sometimes along with more problems.

[minor field]

?

[wooden agate]

90% of legacy players have snowmap and glowskins installed lol

its hacker galore

[latent olive]

20 minutes

[wooden agate]

considering i can only play legacy rn, quite a bit lol

[minor field]

2000 hours on the entirety of the isle though it’s probably more like 500 on legacy and 1500 on evrima

[wooden agate]

i have probably 600 hours in legacy in total, most of which i got in the last year or so

1.2k hours in total iirc

[minor field]

Reminds me of the troll who said you needed like 8000 hours or something to understand deino lmao

Idk why time played matters much in this context

[latent olive]

don’t know, all I know is the Ceratosaurus vs Carnotaurus bite force discussion has been done 10 thousand times

[wooden agate]

in this old dino book i had, it showed cerato hunting a brachi lol

clearly cerato should 1v1 brachis!!!!!

[warm blaze]

I have a lot less problem on Legacy than on Evrima on Legacy I have constant 60fps while my PC configuration I would say it's a potato if I listen to you evrima has no problem he is perfect

[wooden agate]

ive had more buggy experiences on legacy than i ever had when i could play evrima

not to mention, legacy just... isnt fun. theres nothing of substance there

[warm blaze]

excuse me but on Legacy, I never died of starvation or because of a crash or you die because the server kicks you

[minor field]

I never said evrima has no problems, I said that legacy is worse than evrima. Though I wouldnt want it to be made main branch until it’s technical issues mainly just performance ones are ironed out. I’d like for the game to be playable for those on lower end pcs before it’s made the main branch.

[warm blaze]

I had more fun on Legacy than on Evrima

[minor field]

Well I’m glad you did

[wooden agate]

psst... not dying of starvation ever in a survival game is not a good thing

[warm blaze]

maybe but its less disgust

[limber hull]

not dying of starvation in a survival game should be seen as bad lol

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message obvious rage bait is obvious

[warm blaze]

a game where you spend your time dying is not fun

[wooden agate]

its a survival game

[limber hull]

i dont spend a lot of my time dying lol

[wooden agate]

dying is like... half of the game

failing to survive means you die lol

[warm blaze]

wow it's fun to spend your time in spawn

[wooden agate]

food should not be so bountiful that you continously have no issue finding it

[limber hull]

in spawn?

[wooden agate]

that was an issue with legacy. survival was so easy that you didnt have to actually work to survive. it made the game a glorified chatroom

[warm blaze]

we don't have the same definition of the word video games

[wooden agate]

a SURVIVAL video game

SURVIVAL should not be so incredibly easy that you never die to survival mechanics

[warm blaze]

dayz is a survival game and I survive more on dayz than on the isle

[limber hull]

not every video game is the same lol

sometimes they have different levels of difficulty

[warm blaze]

it's survival game

[wooden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/exasperated-michael-scott-gif-13179415001013058912

this is like comparing tears of the kingdom and skyrim

[warm blaze]

ah you want to be the guy who doesn't understand I'm playing into your game

[wooden agate]

except you're not. you're making false equivalencies and trying to be cheeky by being purposefully obtuse about it lol

[warm blaze]

ok if you want, I say that if the game is too difficult all that will do is that the game dies because the players will be annoyed to start the progue again knowing that the progue does not last 5 minutes but hours and it will just stop playing, and he won't restart the game because it will be what to expect

[lapis swallow]

I have never starved in evrima

[warm blaze]

ok if I understand correctly the difficulty in the game is not high enough why not increase it if I follow your logic the games must be hardcore none AI you spawn without diet with 10% food and with 30% water

[lapis swallow]

https://steamcharts.com/app/376210#All

game dies lol

[lapis swallow]

I just said that I have never starved, not that difficulty is too low

playing on full servers all the time and being a food goblin helps

[warm blaze]

make a suggestion to make the game more difficult by listening to you, survival is so simple

[lapis swallow]

why should I, I like the way the game handles food rn

diets on the other hand

[warm blaze]

the game needs to be made even more difficult

[formal kayak]

I can’t tell if this guy thinks the game is easy or hard.

[lapis swallow]

This guy is malding and trolling rn

Womp womp, carnos biteforce will stay higher than ceras

[vital laurel]

@cobalt lark idk if fixing crashes and audio stutters and audio cutting out is useless bugs

[radiant nest]

But I want more dinosaurs!!!!!

[sharp pulsar]

Anybody know how the grass is done? Shader effect?

Assuming yes, can they update the tracking system so it removes grass that you run over, maybe even transition the base texture on the ground to a dirt texture? If a herd migrates together it could leave a clear rut in the grass for predators to follow for a long time.

If the grass is a shader effect, a server-side white texture could be grass, or default for that area, and when a playable moves they apply a bit of black to that texture. Darker areas get less grass or start swapping to dirt. Could make it so bigger creatures or creatures at a sprint paint with a bigger or darker brush too.
Each server tick, just brighten the whole texture by a small amount so if players leave an area it slowly goes back to normal.

[midnight heath]

Carno was stronger than cera in Legacy, what are you on about?

[mystic oar]

is there a known bug of vomit sickness? Was just hanging in a tree and out of nothing I got sick??? And didnt ate any rotten stuff as far as i know o.0

and any solutions to the new "Fatal Error" ära? Just had another.. since last update its common again 😦

[spiral arch]

BRO WHY IS THERE ONLY 4 US SERVERS LOL

[lapis swallow]

the others are in canada

[hasty fractal]

#general-feedback message
Cera needs to get this buff because it always loses when it exchanges alt attacks with Carno, and it also loses in the alt left click attack with Tenonto. It's ridiculous that a dinosaur with such big teeth and head would lose this.

[vital laurel]

Isn’t there like 1 in Canada?

[tight iron]

cera doesn't need any buff

sure it loses when it exchanges alt attacks with carno, but just check above

and it's completely normal to lose that kind of fight vs those claws that teno has

[hasty fractal]

Even if Tenonto depletes his stamina, he can still be dangerous. Cera may not need a buff, but these attack techniques need to be regulated.

[tight iron]

well, even if a cera has no stamina, it can win against a raptor pack

even if a carno has no stamina, he's pretty dangerous with those alt bites

and, of course, even if a teno has no stamina, it can still be dangerous

with how stamina works right now, it is not a good idea to remove alt bite while having zero stamina

keep it the way it is

[hasty fractal]

Tenonto also has something like this: It can hit 5-6 times in 5 seconds, but cera and carno hit 2 or 3 times, usually 2.

For alt attack

[tight iron]

well it's supposed to defend itself well

call me crazy but i don't think that's unreasonable-

[hasty fractal]

But alt attack remains a last resort and Tenonto usually wins this battle. It is impossible for a dinosaur weighing 1.6 tons to hit that fast by looking in front of it.

[barren crater]

but they still have their stronger bites that come out quicker lol

[tight iron]

i mean i cant lie

if he still wins while he has zero stam and you have stam

im calling skill issue

he can't even chase you and that's his only "good" attack as a last resort

[hasty fractal]

I understand but tenonto generally better because of that

[tight iron]

well teno is supposed to be better

ceras are not hunters, carnos are not made to fight tenos

the next in line is raptor, who can absolutely solo a teno provided that the ping isn't 1000000000000

and im talking bites only not even pounce

that requires above average level of skill but it's perfectly doable

trust me when i say that i completely understand your point of view, but i believe you're confusing it a bit

[wooden agate]

cera is meant to be a corpse bully. you're not meant to be hunting, moreso meant to be sniffing out dead bodies and going around bullying folks off of them

[tight iron]

ceras are not there to hunt but to steal food, the fact that you can kill a teno as a cera is not even planned probably

[wooden agate]

not that you cant hunt, but you shouldnt really be the best at it

[tight iron]

^^

[hasty fractal]

I mean, in general, I can't tell exactly how faithful the game is to reality, so I shouldn't be too definitive on these issues, after all, this is a game.

[tight iron]

of course man

but im just sayin

if cera is not meant to be hunting, it's reasonable to believe that hunting a very competent ufc champion is not going to be easy

[hasty fractal]

Cera has a good charge damage alt attack is not important.

[tight iron]

i don't quite understand where that comes from but alright

[wooden agate]

yeahh, teno is meant to be one of the best defenders for its size iirc

thats why it has like a bajillion attacks

[tight iron]

yus

[hasty fractal]

I have about 1300 hours and I've played cera most of it, so I know a lot of bugs and unbalanced things in the tenonto cera and carno wars, I just want to fix them without disturbing the balance of the game.

[tight iron]

i understand

however unbalanced things in teno cera and carno wars...

you're putting an agile ufc champion against a literal train that has nothing to do against it and against something that's only truly good when defending and not attacking

cause this mfin teno is an absolute beast of an ufc champino

[wooden agate]

@tawny pendant alternate idea; just remove reigonal spawning and bring back random pre selected spawns

#general-feedback message

[hasty fractal]

For example, in the battle of Tenonto, both Carno and Cera. When Tenonto tries to get in front of them while they are fighting each other, due to a bug, he teleports in front of them and can kick them in the head.

[lapis swallow]

that is lag

not a bug

[dusty scarab]

I just tail slam and then kick lol enjoy the bleed. No need to use any other attacks. Full Grown Tenos and Pachys are deadly. I'm not sure why people challenge them so much lol.

[midnight heath]

#general-feedback message There will always be safe drinking spots, the majority of the swamp is entirely shallow water. Being "scared anytime you drink" isn't really a thing if you just know where deinos can't physically sit and wait.

[tacit vigil]

not even 30 min in and fatal error again

and sound bugging, this is a mess, roll back the game 2 versions ago when it was actually playable

[indigo gulch]

the sound bug has existed since the start tho

[tacit vigil]

not to me, 2 versions ago I could listen to myself smelling for food lol

[indigo gulch]

the fault must be partly due to your pc then I guess

[tacit vigil]

nah, game broken

[indigo gulch]

it's fine for me

[wooden agate]

sound bug has existed since atleast 6.5, something just seems to be making it worse. it also seems to be something in game getting a little messy with some hardware, due to some players not having it at all and/or not having it once they upgrade specific things

right now its most common with herrera and/or dinosaurs that make a lot of noise at once. (climbing, cera chuffing, etc)

[tacit vigil]

I don't understand why they don't roll back the game instead of trying to find issues they don't even understand

[wooden agate]

it seems hard to pinpoint exactly what's causing it however which makes it a bit harder to fix

[tacit vigil]

one of the devs said himself he doesnt know whats happening to AI lol

[wooden agate]

when lol

[tacit vigil]

a few days ago, saw the screenshot on r/theisle

[indigo gulch]

because that's not how development works...

[wooden agate]

send screenshot pl0x

[tacit vigil]

rolling back a version?

you must know a lot about development then

[indigo gulch]

why would you reroll a version instead of trying to figure out a solution for the current problem?

[wooden agate]

or we could just wait for them to fix the bug lol

[indigo gulch]

thats like taking one step forward, two back

https://tenor.com/view/never_ending-gif-24810109

[wooden agate]

it would be very lazy as well

[wooden agate]

most accurate gif of our lives

[indigo gulch]

The most accurate gif of any programmer ever, ye x)

[tacit vigil]

maybe because the current version is making it unplayable by having people experience random fatal errors every x minutes?

[tight iron]

lag

[indigo gulch]

then why would you reroll it instead of fixing it??

[tacit vigil]

and who says it can't be fixed while people play on a previous version? there's horde testing for a reason and I have no idea how this flew under the radar there

[spice lark]

😂

[spice lark]

@timber slate

[timber slate]

sounds about right

[junior turtle]

Any fatal errorers in the chat?

🤨 👎

[hidden mist]

Couldn't find a person there that would want to help me test this. If someone that participated in that discussion still wants to know the result, please join me on Norden EU x)

[cyan flame]

I'll get on, but I have no admin, so you'll have to arrange things

[weary tide]

i think the calls should be adjusted / less harsh when low on health or stam, as it is hard to determine what a dino is calling, e.g 4 calling when low on health and stam might not be clear to someone, especially a newer player. another example is winning a fight and 1 calling. everyone loves broadcasting after winning a long fight, but you’re probably gonna be too low on stam or health for it to actually sound victorious

[hidden mist]

So, we tested that thing with Erik Eden, and got these results: pinning pounce kills a fg herrera in ~6 seconds, and a 305 kg carno in ~8 seconds. Proof:

[cyan flame]

Broadcasting after a victory is silly, good riddance to that!

[cyan flame]

@finite panther We tested the claim, fully grown herrera, 305 kg carno. Carno dies almost as fast as herrera, but herrera still dies faster. So the stats are accurate, you might have just felt differently or expected a bigger difference in kill time than there is.

[weary tide]

meh thats ur opinion m8

[cyan flame]

True

[upbeat sigil]

Felt the rain thing. When it's not pitch black nighttime, it's stormy ass weather and just as miserable. Weather should be gone until they can get it an appropriate amount.

[north quiver]

feels pretty cheap tbh. about the same amount of cheap as deino’s lunge not having any counter

I get the purpose of pins and stuff but at the end of the day, it’s still a right-click-to-delete-all-progress mechanic

for herrera, it’s about an hour or more of growth deleted in 6 seconds without any input in the matter. someone could argue that herrera should be in trees so it’s its own fault for getting pinned, but it’s still an issue for all pinnable playables

I noticed several updates ago back on Spiro, I think omni had a bug that had a random chance of pin letting go

honestly, it was pretty nice because getting pinned wasn’t practically an instant KO since you had a chance to escape

[upbeat sigil]

I wish KO had a chance to let go as Herra. It is increasingly frustrating to spend hours in a tree growing, and the second you come down for a sip of water or something, instantly lose all progress in 6 seconds with no chance.

I get that it's supposed to be an ambush predator but good god it feels like it can't survive a single hit. The bleed rate is awful on it, it can't escape pins, and pretty much gets murdered in just a few shots by everything

[spice lark]

@rocky vine "[10:51 PM][DFC]xTwomestone: We need NA 6 and 7 back, the queue's are ridiculous and no one uses the no ai server for some reason."

To my observation, they got used alot for a day or three before anyone adapted their approaches and playstyle, big clans and mixpacks took them over camping all the spawns and killing anyon not in their group who spawned, eating off alt accounts when that wasnt enough, and then since only they and noone else could survive(reasonably) everyone went back to the AI servers :I

[north quiver]

yea, it’s not very fun for smaller playables. one of the major reasons keeping me from playing smaller playables is how one-shot they are with omni. I grew two herreras, got pinned exactly after reaching 100%, and lost them both quick lol

it didn’t feel great at all, so that’s why I’m not longer growing them. a chance of escape would do absolute wonders

[fathom sorrel]

is there a group max limit for gators? Cannot group with my two friends as Gators

[limber hull]

it's 2

deinos/gators are solitary creatures, so they don't get big groups

[fathom sorrel]

I know that, but in a empty server I feel that isn't an issue. We tried to 2 call to group up and cannot get all three of us grouped up?

[limber hull]

yea, because there's only 2 deinos per group

i dont see the need to increase deino's group size

it's quite literally the definition of a solitary creature, realism or not

• active cannibal
• relies on a single ambush attack, which doesn't call for group play
• requires a lot of food, making it competitive with other deino
• apexes really shouldn't be sporting big groups

[fathom sorrel]

really? uhhh.... they are not unless a breeding bull wanting territory

[spice lark]

@fathom sorrel 'fix pack limits for gators. They are not solitary, while yes they can live solo, they prefer to be in a group. Gators in here and now hang with one another, there is even a name for it, a congregation. Realism is great, but is it fun?'

[cyan flame]

@fathom sorrelIt's not a matter of realism as much as a matter of balance I'd imagine, and how the critter plays as well. Deino is balanced and suited for being solitary most of it's time, and does just fine that way

[limber hull]

i'm referring to the in-game deinosuchus

also, that isn't them "packing up". Co-existence does not equal teamwork. Most of these gators will not interact when actually hunting, they are still solitary. A bunch of gators can and will share a space, but it's not for anything other than breeding or simply lack of room elsewhere for basking

[spice lark]

@fathom sorrel its realism when your starving, its balance when you cant hang out with friends XD

*** and its a skill issue when ur dino dies due to fatal error DC XD

[limber hull]

what?

[spice lark]

Im just making fun XD

gaters do hang out in groups larger than 2

but.... that really isnt a big deal, honestly

[cyan flame]

Well, you can hang out with others, don't need to be in a group for that

[spice lark]

shrug no reason they shouldnt be either, honestly

but again, that isnt really a big deal :-p .... just poking fun

[fathom sorrel]

this is also a 'game' that you can play online with friends. to limit the group amount, makes it not fun, a friend feeling left out, and harder to keep track of when hunting, hanging out.

the group amount is good for realism, but not for gameplay

[limber hull]

the group limits are there for gameplay first and foremost

group limits are there to avoid players from creating a large, unfair swarms that destroy everything they find, giving other players more of a chance

[spice lark]

shrug again, I dont have strong feelings about Deino group limits... but I do think group limits in general A) dont solve the problems they set out to solve even, and B) on Deinos and other small group limit/size dinos have the limit unreasonably/'harmfully' low

[fathom sorrel]

then cap at ten, not two. That makes no sense. Also most players who abuse the powers of their dino I have seen are herbi players, not preds.

[limber hull]

Ten??? Jesus Christ

[spice lark]

**Additionally... I dont think the idea of 3 or more deinos being in a group is unrealistic or does anything at all to harm balance or realism.... but thats just my take

[fathom sorrel]

precisely!

[limber hull]

Ten is for pack animals like omnis, troodons and dryos

Ten deinos is an insane amount

[fathom sorrel]

you are focused too much on realism and not fun

[spice lark]

Probably not for herbis tbh

realism wise*

[limber hull]

What does herbi have to do with it

[jolly ivy]

"referring to in-game deinosuchus" This is a goal post shift. Where did they post a lore for this animal in game that somehow contradicts the real world? I thought you were talking about "realism:"
Now you abandon the realism argument and talk about "balancing". Which, of course, Tikerial pinpointed what I was about to say as far as that is concerned.
"Co-existence does not equal teamwork" actually modern day gators do, indeed, work together to hunt. For example, fishballing. This is where they all work together forming a circle around a group of fish, gradually shrinking it.
There is definitely no "realism" involved here. Not that I care about realism to the point of being anal. I care about having fun with friends. This is what would allure a larger healthier player base, promoting fun with friends.
It looks to me like you just have a hate boner for gators in this game.
The fact you left a downvote on Safyras's post in general-feedback the moment she made it speaks loads and combined with the lack of education on the zoological subject robs your words of any weight.

In short: Stay mad. By all means, have the last word but, it wont alter the facts of this scneario ":}

[limber hull]

I literally referred to the in-game deinosuchus and exactly WHY it's solitary but whatever man, make up fake goalpost shifts for what

[spice lark]

****B) on Deinos and other small group limit/size dinos have the limit unreasonably/'harmfully' low

Thats what I meant to copy

[fathom sorrel]

I doubt you read all that, that quickly, I betcha ya skimmed

[limber hull]

I don't think it's harmfully low at all. I doubt that we'll see more than 2 rexes in a group either, in addition

[limber hull]

I read it.

[spice lark]

for rex specifically, that actually makes sense

[limber hull]

It also makes sense for deino by extension

[jolly ivy]

"whatever man" yup. sounds like saving face. talking about "realism" is entirely different from "in game". reconcile that goal post shift ":}

[spice lark]

""Co-existence does not equal teamwork" actually modern day gators do, indeed, work together to hunt" 💯 👍 ☝️

[spice lark]

That doesnt track actually

[limber hull]

What exactly are you doing here? What saving face am I doing, this isn't a political argument where my words will impact my future career. I'm so insanely baffled by whatever this is

[jolly ivy]

<--44 year old australian surfer who was raised around these overgrown iguanas in the wild and at rehab centers. blame my grandma :)

[jolly ivy]

cool

[limber hull]

Gators aren't common in Aus, you sure it wasn't crocs?

I'm Australian as well

[jolly ivy]

my post about the behavor refers to gators and crocs. thats why i said "these creatures" ":}

[limber hull]

Gators and crocs have very seperate behaviours in the wild

[jolly ivy]

not that we know whether the deino exhibited the same behaviors, but, as usual, we ascertain a guess on the behavior of prehistoric animals based on those who fill similar niches in nature tday

[spice lark]

"Very" how are they "very" different?

[jolly ivy]

yes they do, very separate, but some very similar. including congretational behaviors. however, why does any of that matter? i thought you were talking about "in game"

wait first you were talking about "realism". wait i dont even know anymore which flag youre flying

[limber hull]

Literally do the research and it will tell you that adult gators are primarily solitary hunters by nature

While there is truth in communal basking and large broods of children, an adult specimen often doesn't much care for its own kind

[spice lark]

Whichever flag justifies no more than 2 deinos in a group depending on where the convo goes >.>

[jolly ivy]

yeah, hate boner for snapping handbags confirms

we're all done here. hold that L ":}

[limber hull]

You can make the game as unrealistic as you want, balance/immersion is more important, there is no justifiable reason to make gators a pack creature akin to raptor

[limber hull]

I love gators

Some of my favourite animals

[spice lark]

Variety of species across the world do hunt together occassionally... By occassionally, I mean whenever beneficial and able. Look at things, from corralling fish, to cooperating to bring down big prey, to cooperating at river crossings and migrations

[limber hull]

Crocs too by extension

But I guess we're on some kind of bizarre... slander(?) thing, so I guess I hate gators now because some dude on the internet disagreed about a take on how many virtual prehistoric alligators should be able to see another virtual prehistoric alligator's username through walls

[jolly ivy]

nono, no, nothing realistic about making sure only two gators nhang together. we established that./ you crooned about realism, thenh when proven wrong you said "i was talking about in-game", ( what the hecxk is "in game realism?")
sorry, nothing balanced about it either. balnce/immersion is certainly not more important that: attracting gamer base. no matter what kind of company it is, they are all in the same business: making money ;)

[limber hull]

i dont care about realism

[cyan flame]

What is this? Realism, is not really relevant for the game, and even being somewhat accurate, is still rather variable when it comes to critters in this game. Immersion might be better to use. But in any case, deino is well designed for being solitary, and there's no need for it to come in greater number than a pair, which would be for nesting.

[limber hull]

if i did, my favourite animals wouldn't be herrera and troodon

[cyan flame]

If you want to play with lots of friends, then there are other, more suitable critters for that

[limber hull]

those animals are about as realistic as a grey alien fossil

[jolly ivy]

"i dont care about realism" yup there it is. thanks kiddo :)

here it comes:

[limber hull]

i like them for the gameplay. Because I care more about game design than paleontology. If I wanted to care more about that, I would've gotten the degree in Paleontology, not Game Design

[jolly ivy]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-04-2017/pD2jI2.gif

[cyan flame]

There's no real reason to give deino, or any larger critter like that, more than a pair, and deino is one, like stego, that is far more suited for solitary life than in groups, for different reasons but none the less

So why you're all stuck on "realism" I don't know, it's not a very useful argument for the game

[limber hull]

^

Stego's group size is also way too big for its size

3-4 would be far more befitting of the animal.

[cyan flame]

It really is, I'd put them down to pairs as well, no reason for any more, you can protect offspring, and any other stego is more of a danger to you than whatever you're up against

[limber hull]

The fact that a stego group is larger than a dilo or cera group is absurd

[limber hull]

Fair, they're horrible herders so why not make them duos

[cyan flame]

Both deino and stego, for different reasons, are suited to a solitary or at most pair lifestyle, and that's fine

[spice lark]

😂 ☝️

[spice lark]

That..... is completely and totally ridiculous

[cyan flame]

Why? Do you know how the playable works in the game?

[spice lark]

Yes I do.... how can you even think that has anything to do with any of this though? XD XD XD

[cyan flame]

Because it does, since it relates to how well something works in a group or not

[spice lark]

All herbies would both realistically, and reasonably for gameplay be HERD ANIMALS

what are you talking about??? only 2 stegos? What????

[cyan flame]

As well as the design of the critter and if it's intended to work in a group, how powerful it is and if it needs it, and so on

[spice lark]

and you know people group in DC anyways.... were talking about a nametag here folks

[cyan flame]

They wouldn't, not every herbi is a herd animal after all

[spice lark]

97% of them

[cyan flame]

Yes, you don't need any more, and stego is probably the worst herding playable in the game, teno being the second

[spice lark]

Your completely insane... Im done arguing with a mad person

[cyan flame]

No idea why you'd think stego, a "pseudo" apex should come in any form of larger herd, what with the power and how it works

[spice lark]

nothing youve said makes ANY sense

apex schmapex... this isnt legacy

[limber hull]

Stego literally sucks in herds, and there is nothing exempting it from simply hanging out with other herbivores should it need to, as we can see with many mixed animals

[cyan flame]

You know, you could provide arguments, not... attack me with fallacies and all

[limber hull]

Apex is a term the devs themselves consistently use

[spice lark]

yeah.... the devs say all sorts of things

[limber hull]

To the point that an "apex system" specifically designated for said apexes is being added

There is an official mechanic coming to the game specifically for apexes, thus proving their continued relevance as a term

[spice lark]

Im talking about the actual game and what actually makes sense and how things actually work

[cyan flame]

To be fair, we don't know what apex system means, I don't think

[limber hull]

True, but we know that apexes matter lol

[cyan flame]

But what makes sense in the game is not to make stego a herd animal, it's literally a walking "collateral damage" critter

[limber hull]

They aren't an antiquated idea

[limber hull]

^

Thing sucks in herds, master of friendly fire

Frankly, I also feel restricting herbivores to herd animals is a bizarre take

[cyan flame]

And I doubt the new power swing will do much, if any, favours for avoiding "friendly" fire

[limber hull]

Not everyone wants to play in a group

[cyan flame]

So yeah, stego, and other large critters should be the solo/pair/trio at most critters

[spice lark]

You guys are nuts

[limber hull]

Take the giant tortoise, for example. Herbivore. ABSOLUTELY not a herding animal, it is not a universal element that all herbivores herd

[cyan flame]

While the smaller ones makes far more sense for coming in larger numbers, being more social, and more suited for group hunting and all

And where "hope the predator goes for the other guy" makes some sense for defensive methods at that

[spice lark]

I said 97% and even that was admittedly an exaggeration, but were talking about dinosaurs, and more specifically, ones that do herd.... like wildebeast and elephant and zebra and gazelle of today

[cyan flame]

Especially since it's easier to make a larger critter viable alone due to power, than a smaller (aside from just run, or hide)

[spice lark]

Thats the niche they fit. Thats what makes sense

[cyan flame]

We are talking about a game, which means realism is... secondary

[spice lark]

You guys are acting like this is a PVP battle royal or like theres ANY reason it should be balanced that way

[cyan flame]

And in general, playables that require herding/packing to be viable isn't really that good, or balanced

[spice lark]

its a SURVIVAL GAME that happens to also have PVP elements

maybe that isnt what the devs set out to make

but its what they made

[cyan flame]

Oh this is hilarious, considering what we both want is a survival game, and less PvP/more PvE

[limber hull]

For wanting to be able to play a herbi and just be chill and solo?

Shouldn't a game aim to add several different experiences players can engage with depending on how they enjoy, rather than forcing you to take part in a set thing?

Want a pack carnivore? Raptor/troodon. Want a solo carnivore? Deino/carno.

Want a herd herbivore? Dibble/maia. Want a solo herbivore? Stego/trike

[spice lark]

there was a time where humans were on the roadmap and dinos werent even a thing

like come tf on

[spice lark]

Nobody said you had to play with anyone... again

[cyan flame]

Hasn't it generally been that they made a PvP game and are trying to shift it into a more survival game if anything

Which has been a bit of an issue honestly

[limber hull]

Humans still are on the roadmap, and dinos were never not a part of the roadmap

[icy lion]

Be constructive and respectful if you want to continue this conversation, please

[cyan flame]

Look, its simple. Not every critter should come in larger numbers. And the larger, more powerful a critter is, generally means it should come in fewer numbers

[limber hull]

^

[spice lark]

Wrong, but whatever.... totally bad take in every way

[limber hull]

I like to play this game with friends, so I pick smaller grouping animals for that set purpose

[cyan flame]

Deino and stego are well within the limits of "no need for a pack/herd", especially since deino is a master solo hunter, and stego a walking collateral damage critter

[limber hull]

When I'm solo, I pick more solitary animals

[spice lark]

And this has nothing to do with that at all XD

[limber hull]

It has literally everything to do with it

[cyan flame]

You're free to disagree, but if you don't have any argument, maybe you should consider that you could be wrong

So far, all you've really provided are insults, which are not helpful to clarify your stance

[limber hull]

Smaller group animals for playing with others, bigger and self reiant animals when you wanna play by yourself

That's the endgoal

[cyan flame]

Besides, having a quartet of rexes running around sounds like a bad time for everyone else

Especially with how powerful it's meant to be, so it makes sense that it and similar critters would be limited in numbers

[spice lark]

all the arguments have been made, but apparently my opinion is an unwelcome one 😒

Theres no need for it balance wise, and its totally unrealistic....

All it is is a needless barrier that makes it harder for people who arent ultra high functional to group up and stay together. Bad actors still group beyond it regardless... again... nothing to do with balance, or realism. No need whatsoever... Arguments have been well articulated

[limber hull]

Okay, but here's the thing, the game CAN detect if you've gone beyond the group limit and has the "mega/mixpack" scent for that very purpose

And yes, bad actors exist, but it still makes it harder for them to BE bad actors

Because the advantages of grouping still aren't there because of the limitations

[spice lark]

Not true, but.... again... arguments have alrdy been made, and apparently my opinion is an unwelcome one

[cyan flame]

You haven't though? You just said I'm insane and mad. There is a need balance wise, due to power of the critter in question. Realism isn't a good argument, the game isn't based on, or very realistic. And you don't need to be in a group, that's the point. Honestly, the "group limit" should be related to well, sustain ability, rather than name tags. So you can't sustain more than two adult deinos together, rather than a "group limit" for nametags deciding it. But for balance, deino do not need to come in more than pairs, and greater numbers might require them to be nerfed.

[limber hull]

At no point has anyone said you aren't welcome to make your argument. I think calling people names might've not helped your case, but that doesn't mean you aren't welcome to actually try and establish your point

Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I discredit you

[cyan flame]

Realism isn't a relevant argument due to the game not caring that much about it. And balance has been explained, on top of how an individual critter functions. Deino literally do not need any help in any hunt. Anything a solo deino can grab, it can kill, at the least as adult. And stego is similar, if you have more than one other adult stego, it doesn't really add much, aside from more friendly fire risk. Which means there's no good point for a stego herd, it's not a well designed animal for herding in the first place.

[spice lark]

it isnt totally based on realism. nor should it be... but it is loosely based on realism. And when there isnt a good reason to deviate from that..... or when realism is core to the identity of the game (herd animals in a survival setting, for instance) then it should be realistic in that way, especially if the alternative is unnecessary limitations that only prevent 'healthy' 'normal' behavior and dont prevent any bad actors to begin with

[cyan flame]

There's little to no benefit for deino or stego to group up, anything they can do in groups, they do just as fine solo, if not better.

[spice lark]

Im reading into things >.>

[cyan flame]

But realism isn't "core" to the game?

[spice lark]

and your not why my opinion is unwelcome

[cyan flame]

Yes, it's loosely based on realism, or well, immersion I think its a better choice of words

[spice lark]

Its not the core, but it is definitely core... hunger, thirst, survival... dinosaurs that did exist behaving in mechanically realistic ways

[cyan flame]

But most of the playables don't work like they would irl, if they even existed irl, and so on. And group limits are less based on realism and more on how the playable work and it's power

[spice lark]

really, is your argument now "This game isnt even remotely realistic anyways"?

[cyan flame]

Except a lot of the dinosaurs that did exist do not behave like they would have had irl mechanically wise

Omni pounce, troodon/dilo venom, stego jab, carno charge, and so on

[spice lark]

what?

I mean, theres some debate on the specifics

but what are you talking about?

There may be some artistic takes, and supposedly these dinos have been genetically altered anyways?

but what are you even talking about, all those unrealistic?

[cyan flame]

My argumen is that the game is not meant to be perfectly realistic, and that balance thus takes precedence, hence group limits and behaviour are not based on realism but balance and how the devs want a certain critter to play

[spice lark]

like they might even be 100% realistic.... they definitely arent totally unrealistic?

if its not meant to be realistic, then who cares if three gaters have name tags above each other to hang out together!!!!

Are you serious????

[cyan flame]

Carnos did not charge, omni literally did not exist, and would not have pounced like that. Herrera did not climb trees. Stego did not "jab" like a scorpion most likely, dilo did not have hallucinatory venom, cerato did not "infect" things with bile making them puke. And so on and so forth.

[cyan flame]

The group limits are not based on realism, they're based on the ingame playable, how it works, and if the devs want them in numbers or not

No one is arguing that name tags have anything to do with realism, I'm arguing that the group limits are not based on any real life behaviour of a playable, if we even know it

[spice lark]

how do you know about carnos, omni didnt, but again.... their supposed to be gene altered dinos anyways? your saying stego didnt swing its tail? weve found pieces of its tail broken off inside other bones....

[spice lark]

Idk about cerato, but things in the world do have bacterial and anti-coagulant bites.... cmon man,, your grasping at straws..... none of this is a good reason there cant be 3 deinos or stegos in a group, ffs

[cyan flame]

I said stego didn't jab, which is kind of what current stego do, rather than swing. Omni didn't even exist, and far as I know, carno would not have charged, it would have not gone well for it. Also teno did not tail slam, and is upsized and powered up. As some other playables are powered up or down, based on how the devs want them to function in the game.

[spice lark]

none of this is even remotely a good reason for there to be only 2 dienos or even just 3 for that matter in a group

Like, these arguments dont really hold water anyways

but even if they did, they have nothing to do with the original topic

[cyan flame]

No, and I'm not claiming those as reasons. I've explained earlier, it's a matter of balance. And how the playable works. Deinos work fantastically well solo, they don't need groups, and they are very powerful. Stego is similar, but works... almost worse off in groups, and also don't need more than one other stego for most of the benefits of grouping.

[spice lark]

and the original issue is, having less than 3 for group size does no good and only makes the game less fun

[cyan flame]

It does do good if the critter is powerful and shouldn't be coming in too large numbers, or if it's meant to be played more or less solo, or designed to work well solo.

[spice lark]

theyre in large group sizes anyways!!!! ALL it does is hurt casuals who want to hang out with 2 of their friends on crocs or whatever

and this doesnt affect balance or realism at all... how many times does deinos being in groups of two or three change anything???

[cyan flame]

I am aware that people of course can group up outside of numbers, but the limit should at least given an idea of the number the devs want and it does make it harder to group in game. That people can get around it via discord, like they can get around making a basic call if you use in game chat, is well, nothing new and not much that can be done about it.

And true, hence why group limits should be more "hard coded" where it's a matter of being able to sustain the numbers, rather than being able to invite people or not to the group

But the group limit does serve to point to how you're meant to play the playable, more or less

[spice lark]

:I well... even if that was true, and had a place..... 2 is ridiculous

both balance and realism wise.... for both stegos and deinos >.>

[cyan flame]

Not that the group limits always match up very well, but as stated, stego is a weird critter, but it's also unfinished so maybe numbers will change

[spice lark]

Although I will concede it probably does have some place**

[cyan flame]

Why, why is 2 a bad number?

You can be just fine solo on deino, there's nothing you need another deino for, aside from nesting.

[spice lark]

because its prohibitive, unnecessary/helpful and its unrealistic

balance does take precident to realism

but not unnecessarily

[cyan flame]

Right, but realism aside, you don't gain anything gamewise by a higher number, aside from potential imbalances

You don't really benefit, in your gameplay, by another deino, outside of nesting

Aside from wanting friends, but well, deino isn't really for friends, see cannibalism and all

[spice lark]

You gain the ability for 3 people who are casuals to travel together as crocs without it being inefficient and requiring extra talking... professionals and trolls wont have that problem in any meaningful way

[cyan flame]

Right, so it's just a matter of "I want to be able to play with more friends", more or less?

[spice lark]

and crocs do live and hunt together. Before their fullgrown they absolutely stay in larger groups, and even when theyre older, they frequently are in groups greater than 3

[spice lark]

its not helpful or useful for the game, and it is actively bad for it... yes, for that reason

and I can play with friends

[cyan flame]

Because I don't think we'll agree with each other, since you're arguing from a "this would be nice for players that want to play together" while I argue from the standpoint of "does this make a difference for gameplay itself"

I get your argument, I just think it's fine that not every playable is meant to be a "play with friends" one

[spice lark]

there are times where its been cumbersome... Ive had to refine who I play with so I dont/cant play deinos for instance with people who arent focused and 'good' at the game

[cyan flame]

Which to be fair, you're playing an apex, it's not a playable for "casual" fun, I don't think at least

[spice lark]

The 'apex' thing 🙄

I think the "apex" label doesnt even apply right now

it might be meaningful when rex drops

[cyan flame]

Well, maybe deino isn't an apex, I'm not sure, it depends on where it ends up

[spice lark]

but.... its a legacy thing atm

[cyan flame]

But it's none the less the largest, most powerful, and in a way, specialized carni you have

[spice lark]

because its so specialized, it being 'apex' is.... i mean.... fine... sure

[cyan flame]

So I think you can still see my point, even if we don't use the term apex. It's not a "jump in and have fun" playable, any more than stego is. You got the small critters for that kind of, less "dedicated" gameplay

[spice lark]

since the only carnivore 'apex' is hyperspecialized

and the only herbi 'apex' is slow(without speedhackz >.> :/ 😦 ....) .... idk

go to the glitched water and as long as they arent hacking.... take a step back? XD

[cyan flame]

I don't think having 3 deinos would really ruin stuff, I just don't really see the need for it. But yeah, I look at it as to how the playable work, not so much if you want to play with someone else or not

So we have different outlooks on how to approach group limits

[spice lark]

I mean, that makes sense in theory, but in practice it does only harm and no good

in my opinion even just in general.... but definitely in specifically in context to both deinos and stegos

they arent even the kind of playable thats easy to abuse in the sense of large groups

except maybe vs each other O.O

[cyan flame]

I don't think deino being limited to a pair does harm to be honest, I get the frustration if you really have extra friends and you all want to be deino, but I think it does come down to understanding how the playable is meant to behave and all that

It's like running a duo of omnis

[spice lark]

I mean.... it makes Deino less fun, and less accessible

[cyan flame]

You can, you're viable, but you're... kind of missing out on the point of omni, you know

[spice lark]

it doesnt make it less effective or less powerful

[cyan flame]

Not sure I can agree it makes it less fun, and though I agree that things in general are more fun with friends, if I enjoy a playable, I enjoy it for how it is, no matter if I'm solo or not

[spice lark]

your playing an ambush predator...

[cyan flame]

One who spends 95% of it's time sitting in the same spot waiting, yes xD

[spice lark]

having people to talk to with makes all the difference XD **

[cyan flame]

Fair, but that could rather point to a problem with the playable, and interactions and all

[spice lark]

I mean, you can move as stam allows

[cyan flame]

Or it could be a matter of "playstyle doesnt suit you"

That is a point to take into account too. If you feel that deino is only fun when you have people to talk to, that might just be that deino does not suit you

[spice lark]

I mean... Thats largely true... I do enjoy it sometimes

Id play it more if I could more easily play with friends also

but it isnt for me... not just because of that though

[cyan flame]

And I would argue that if the reason you do not enjoy it is due to lack of friends, you've picked a poor playable

[spice lark]

I like a more active playstyle

you can play deino is groups greater than 2

[cyan flame]

Because you're basically saying "I do not enjoy this, unless provided something else"

[spice lark]

and I have and did and probably will

but if that was provided it would be a GREAT qol feature

[cyan flame]

Yeah, you can, but if there's a need for more people for you to enjoy, I'd say there's a problem with your choice

[spice lark]

I doubt it would have an effect outside of that

[cyan flame]

If you play something else, you might have fun alone, and having extra friends is an enhancement, not a "this is boring without them"

[spice lark]

So you think deinos shouldnt be able to exist near each other more than 2 at a time, if you had your way? XD

[cyan flame]

Temporarily, but ideally, no. I would imagine you should claim a rather large stretch of river, and that's for you

[spice lark]

A huge portion of the fun of this game is socializing

can I enjoy it outside that? sure

[cyan flame]

Pair up for nesting, but aside from that, you're solo

It is, and herbis in general are the go to for social gameplay

[spice lark]

Yeah... your answers are all pretty lame

your entitled to your thoughts and opinions obvs

but..... lamesauce

also*** not realistic!

[cyan flame]

Fair enough I guess, but do keep in mind there are carnis where you're meant to be social

[spice lark]

not that that seems to matter I guess >.>

[cyan flame]

I don't think every playable has to cater to that

[spice lark]

thats also not realistic... they are cannabalistic regardless fs

[cyan flame]

Just like some playables will do better in groups, and while you can play them solo, you're missing out if you do

[spice lark]

but... "meant"

[cyan flame]

I don't think omni, troodon, and carno are cannibals?

[spice lark]

theres a big difference between catering to and allowing

[cyan flame]

Cerato is, yes, due to what it's designed to be

[spice lark]

were talking about deinos?

[cyan flame]

Well, you are allowed, you can be near multiple other deinos after all

[spice lark]

:I

were quibbling over theory and 'principle' taking precedent to practicality

[cyan flame]

Yes, and I was pointing out that there are other carnis that are meant to be social, if that's important to you?

Hence why I'm fine with deino not being meant to be social

[spice lark]

but crocs are semi-social... so what does that other thing have to do with anything?

Crocs DO absolutely group in groups greater than 3

[cyan flame]

Because it doesn't matter if crocs are semi-social irl, we don't know if deino were, I don't think

[spice lark]

.>

[cyan flame]

And again, in the game it isn't, anyway

[spice lark]

shrug I guess

[cyan flame]

I don't know what you want me to say there, the devs have decided that deinos do not come in larger groups in the game

It wasn't my decision, even if I do agree with it due to how deino works

[spice lark]

I want you to admit that it wouldnt do much harm to have crocs in groups of three! XD

idk :-p jk tbh

[cyan flame]

Didn't I say earlier that I don't think letting them be in trios would ruin anything?

I just don't see an in game need for it, due to what factors I consider important compared to what you consider important

[spice lark]

yeah... the conversation between us has become much more civil than the group convo earlier :I

I just think it would help some things(make the game more fun more easily) and not hurt much if anything.... and I also think its realistic

[cyan flame]

Well, it helps that we're actually properly arguing and not... well, you know what you did after all :p

[spice lark]

for me that realism helps with immersion... but in context whats realistic is a little subjective or debatable atleast

[cyan flame]

And yeah, I get your point, I just don't quite agree

[spice lark]

I still think you guys are nuts.... >.> I stand by that XD

[cyan flame]

Rude! xD

[spice lark]

mostly because Im stubborn, but thats besides the point >.>

XD

[cyan flame]

But as long as you do get the points I'm trying to make, I'll let it pass

[spice lark]

is it really rude to call people nuts? .... I guess I grew up in the days of COD and stuff.. >.> peoples toes are much larger these days it seems XD

[spice lark]

XD I wont, I refuse!

no, for sure... group limit has a place

and I wouldnt even mind if for some playables, or maybe in certain times or conditions there was extra pressures, encouragements, or restrictions...

but.... I dont think it needs to be less than 3 for anything, deinos or stegos either.... atleast and especially for where the game is at rn... I really dont even think deino or stego is especially easy to abuse in large groups... and both irl atleast coexist if not even cooperate in larger groups irl.... theyre niche in the ecosystem is a type that lives that kind of semi-solitary semi-social lifestlye, but for large parts of their life they live in large groups

[cyan flame]

Well, no, I don't really take offense, but if we're trying to argue and debate properly, it's utterly useless since it doesn't provide any reason or argument.

[spice lark]

Im not saying make them large groups

[spice lark]

Thats not true... I might hurt your feelings, and you might start making mistakes >.>

XD 💀 🙃

[cyan flame]

Hah, that's an.. interesting take on it I guess

But unfortunately, no, you've a long way to go to be sufificiently irritating for me to potentially lose my cool

[spice lark]

Im just being ridiculous.... thats not why... I really dont view nuts as particularly upsetting, but now I know some people do 😅

just making light of things :-p ... being silly, as I am

[cyan flame]

To be fair, the fact that they can't be "abused" in groups is partially why I don't see the need for their numbers to be that high in groups. If it doesn't really do much, then there's no need for it.

[limber hull]

no one took offense to it lol, it's more just kinda being antagonistic, even with playground insults, makes you seem less valid in an argument and less confident in what you're saying

[cyan flame]

As for how the current numbers work, I'm sure we'll see changes as balance changes with new playables and rekits and all

[spice lark]

shrug to me, its not unrealistic, and it just makes it easier to hang with your friends shrug

[spice lark]

My arguments stand on their own merits, thankyou.... I dont need to seem anything :I

[cyan flame]

They do, but calling someone a nut is not an argument, which was the point

But you know that much by now

[spice lark]

I mean.... i could make an argument from it... but yeah... I knew that then XD

[limber hull]

sure, but calling people nuts for disagreeing doesn't earn you favours. Yes, it's a harmless word, but it's still not a great plan to call people names

i can calll you a fool for your arguments. It doesn't hurt anyone's feelings most of the time, but it certainly doesn't make you want to agree with me lol

thats just how arguments are

[spice lark]

I dont want your favors! 😆 😛 XD jk

[spice lark]

Look, ive been in many arguments, and if they dont degrade to yelling and screaming, is your heart really in it?

XD

[spice lark]

Nobody ever agrees with me anyways >.> .... but that doesnt mean Im wrong! The earth isnt the center of the universe! theres tiny little microscopic creatures! Im not insane! Im not insane!

[limber hull]

That's not a healthy way to do arguments, plus, it's honestly boring. I usually leave once the shouting match starts, it's no longer any fun

[spice lark]

Im really just making jokes now... that isnt, strictly, how I do arguments....

That isnt to say I always stick JUST to the facts either.... >.> although I stick mostly to the facts, and Ill admit to the rest when I dont XD

Its honestly less boring to me** XD .... which is probably an unhealthy attitude to have about it XD.... but... Ive seen less healthy attitudes displayed as well!!! >.>

[hidden mist]

Oof what did you guys write here… I wish I could read all of this, but my chat keeps twitching as the messages refresh :(

[cyan flame]

Long debate about group numbers of deino and stego, more or less

[hidden mist]

For 400+ messages?

[cyan flame]

Possibly? I didn't count them xD

[spice lark]

Would you be shocked to know that parts of it were repeated/repetitious, but we ultimately atleast came to a civil understanding of each others perspectives.... although we seemingly kind of still disagree... with maybe some 'leniency' in regard to specific playable(as far as final stances).... but even that was.... not direct or committal XD? XD

Would that shock you??? O.o

[vital laurel]

@dapper plinth what are you talking about?

[cyan flame]

Probably not, this is Islecord after all, people agreeing is very rare, and there's nothing bad with disagreeing for that matter, as long as there's proper arguments made and all that.

[dapper plinth]

oh you are talking another

i mean The Adults are dont need diet

[spice lark]

I mean, if nothing else I respect the way you compose yourself in context to conversation XD.... And my own composure is never flawless...

Although I stand by my positions!

[spice lark]

(my)autism go brr >.> *** lest that be construed as an isult

[cyan flame]

I've had lots of practice, and many very long debates on Islecord throughout my time here. You'll learn with time!

[spice lark]

Unlikely XD Im pretty old XX.... but I think my takes are worth adding.... or else I wouldnt make them

Ultimately though decisions arent mine, obvs... and other people do alot of work for the enjoyment we have

[cyan flame]

You live and you learn. And well, we wouldn't be talking here if we didn't think we were in the right, now would we xD

[spice lark]

XD thats not necesarrily true at all.... some people just like to argue or have someone to argue with XD

[cyan flame]

Fair, maybe I just expect too much of people at times

[spice lark]

XD ^.^ sometimes we all do :-p

[vital laurel]

You mean they shouldn’t need diet?

[dapper plinth]

yes

adults doesnt need diet i mean when they didnt found food they dont get poor diet

[urban flax]

The diet system is already pretty negligible, disabling it alltogether is a move in the bad direction

[dapper plinth]

Adult carnivores if in bad diet get -50 health regen (much like this) This is bad optio

[limber hull]

That's why you don't get a bad diet

[vital laurel]

So let’s give ppl even less to do?

[dapper plinth]

Maybe just bad diet its can changed Can get nerf I Mean -20 -10 health regen way better

[limber hull]

or just eat stuff on your diet lol

[dapper plinth]

dude I Mean Not always can found people Or AI i starved 2 times when i raptor

[uncut zephyr]

Eat stuff not on your diet

[hollow crown]

@grizzled kindle

if that add a system to make u invicible when u crash or disapear people would find ways to abuse it in middle of combat like they already do bec sometimes that's a thing u crash and your dino in invicible and ive seen people crashing themselfs on porpuse

[long tangle]

Any way to stop having muscle spasms quicker?😭

[hollow crown]

u jsut gotta watch what u eat b more careful

[dapper plinth]

When i do i go poor diet and growth speed its getting lower lower and lower :d

[uncut zephyr]

good job

That's how you're meant to play the game

[tall hearth]

Don't cannibalize

[hallow olive]

Only eat what's on your diet

[tight iron]

well don't eat your own species

[weary tide]

dont do that

eat stuff on ur diet to get all 3 nutrients, carbs, fats and proteins ( 3 dots, 2 lines and the s)

then you'll 100% growth boost and some extra bonuses

[tight iron]

@radiant comet

they fixed a fatal error not all fatal errors

[radiant nest]

Basic reading comprehension is unfortunately not something that people remember to think about when reading stuff for a video game. Even I made that mistake initially

[vital laurel]

Hey not all ppl passed reading comprehension, have some respect!!

[tight iron]

i am not being disrespectful

[vital laurel]

I was joking

[tight iron]

i am outlining it for him to actually see it and comprehend it so im doin him a favor

oh i thought you were fr 💀

[wooden agate]

you expect too much from this community

[tight iron]

maybe i do

[barren zephyr]

(sorry for late answer) I didn't say that. I just said that they should Evrima the main branch.

[wooden agate]

youre completely correct

dont let them change u

[analog owl]

What is wrong with the servers

[wooden agate]

steam mantience day

[desert hornet]

Is the herrera throat flap turned off rn or was the button changed?

[icy lion]

F+RMB

[limber hull]

@remote thunder That's due to the fact that Elders will be 100%

[remote thunder]

Darn... that makes sense then, but it's still annoying without Elders actually being in the game yet.

An alternative is to make Elders reflect above 100% growth though... especially since the entire concept of Elders is growth beyond full adulthood.

I updated my suggestion to reflect this. Ty for the insight regardless.

[desert hornet]

ty

[analog owl]

Any idea when they fixing the deino sound bug

[dapper plinth]

dude i am not new i know it

[grizzled kindle]

i dont know man people seems to be different true people will try to abuse it i agree with you then lets just make the game more smooth going my friends have to restart how many times beacuse of food grab bug and no audio bug then what else i cant even travel far sometimes because of ai spawning so slow

@hollow crown @frigid anchor stop disliking feedback when you cant fix things instead go work on it pls

[long tangle]

Playing as a ptera and there r glitches of fish trailing behind me and getting stuck in my head. happened in the same area as a cerato

[winter void]

#general-feedback message
@vague night
there is actually baby ai as well.
Killing Ai besides from boars (also babys around just rare) isnt that big of a deal as well imo (if not a cera since its to slow).
Also we got rabbits and chickens running in the plains a lot atm, makes it easier for raptor/troodon freshies.
But i really like your point of that millipeds n stuff would be a nice addition for some other upcomeing dinos maybe 🙂

[rotund lake]

Hey guys, can you please tell me how i reset key settings? or how i solve not bucking

[lapis swallow]

delete your config folder

[rotund lake]

i already did it but is not working

[tight iron]

@lapis swallow that was the fastest like ever bro

i thought the bot bugged 😭

[lapis swallow]

I A M S P E E D

[stable wind]

just na 1 showing for me

[mystic oar]

Whats your number of lost dinos these days due to fatal error??? I think iam at over 10 alrdy : /

[idle briar]

what. someone clicked X to my 'fix fatal error'

[tight iron]

and someone clicked x to my "make bodies be washed to the shores to avoid toxic players ruining the game for others"

the isle

[idle briar]

W H A T

[ivory raptor]

does anybody else have an issue where the game turn super blurry when getting attacked?

i was just trying to fight some tenos and a pachy as carno and i got hit a few times and suddenly everything in the distance turns super blurry

or is that some kind of new effect?

[lunar sedge]

Might have had a head fracture.

[ivory raptor]

that makes it blurry now?

before it was like all black screen, but what i had was just like a slight blur over everything. i turned off DLSS too but that didnt do anything

[lunar sedge]

Just a guess tbh

[grizzled umbra]

My guess is also either hallucination or head fracture 😄

[indigo gulch]

maybe because it's stating out the obvious. I didn't do it, but maybe thats why. I know people who X vote simply because it gets spammed

just checked, yeah all teh fatal error ones got downvoted

[thin fog]

So on my feedback here: #general-feedback message

"If it's raining, Deino and Bepis should dehydrate slower"

Just imagine that when it rains (and hopefully they make it rain less than it does, bc it's all the time rn but anyways) that's when the deino come out, migrate, you have to watch the shores and bushes more, etc. I think it would be cool, then not only is it more realistic but gives a time in which you can expect deino to be travelling. Could also make hunting deino more of a thing too, bc that's when you know they're going to be out and about more. And if they're migrating during the rain, they better make it back before the rain stops, or they'll dehydrate before they can get back.

[analog owl]

They seriously just fixed all these bugs and left out the the deino splashing sounds? omg

[icy lion]

@barren zephyr Hypsi's planned to eventually be able to climb like herrera

[barren zephyr]

🤨 interesting

burrows would make more sense for a hypsi no? why do they climb?

[winter void]

would really enjoy a lot of tiny holes like rabbits got for them to hide in maybe, would be quite funny to sit in a tiny nonreachable place spitting into a Big boois face like "eeehhh get off" 😄

[faint folio]

I think partially because it creates another arboreal dino, partially because it differentiates hypsi from other smalls that also burrow, partially because it fits with hypsi high jump, and partially because hypsi seems bird-inspired in the isle (feathers like birds of paradise). And their nest is built of sticks and reminiscent of woven stick nests some birds make

[barren zephyr]

that makes a lot more sense ty

[still sinew]

is there a bug with mudding not stopping blood from going down?

[spice lark]

Is it raining?

[still sinew]

no

[spice lark]

Maybe?

[still sinew]

lol gotta makesure stuff ain't a feature sometimes ya know?

[spice lark]

XD

[still sinew]

"is this normal?" xD

[spice lark]

Im surprised it wasnt raining XD

[still sinew]

nah sunny

[spice lark]

I figured that had to be the issue as much as it rains lately XD

[still sinew]

TRU

[spice lark]

It can rain when its sunny! gotta look close and listen XD(if ur graphics aint up up)