general-feedback-discussion

[cyan flame]

Wait, really?! No, it did not occur to me that it would make a difference...

[jovial hazel]

Yeah. I don't know why

But it's a big difference

[tight iron]

yea cause it's not very difficult to play this game

if you make it 3 times more difficult...

[bold mason]

again, hardcore gritty, unforgiving survival game

[cyan flame]

I'll have to try that out next time then!

[tight iron]

no players

no money no devs no game

[bold mason]

thats what it is right now

[tight iron]

hardcore gritty unforgiving semi impossible game is not an option

[bold mason]

and they are doing ok

[tight iron]

a somewhat easy to play game

[tight iron]

yes they are when did i say they werent

[woeful zealot]

Any news on the qof update?

[full pewter]

@robust fractal this is fixed in the newest patch in the hoardetest

[robust fractal]

ight

[wary flower]

@native vortex it doesnt make sense tho, the bigger the creature the faster it should be in a mud pit

[native vortex]

It does since bigger creature sink into the mud easier while smaller creatures can’t sink in that easily

[rocky raptor]

I feel like the little pond in the north jungle could be like 1 meter deeper. (the one with algae) A Full grown Deino can’t safely avoid stegosaurus tail attacks at its depth.

[native vortex]

@queen locust why do you want herrera’s bleed nerfed?

[limber hull]

@echo rune the footstep sounds are intentionally loud due to how dilo works

[echo rune]

It could be more less

[limber hull]

it could, but they want it to be loud

[echo rune]

They alr reduced the venom time

[limber hull]

and its still very strong

[echo rune]

Thats why i wrote this feedback

Yeah but doesnt make sense that a creature not fully grown with 200kg makes the same noise like a 1tone animal

[lapis swallow]

if venom would be working correctly without bugs, it would be strong enough with the loud footsteps

[echo rune]

If it would be the adult OK, but the small Dilos too they dont even have venom (venom starts at 65%)

[limber hull]

the sounds of dilo is so high because it is inherently a very dangerous animal, and sound cues are the best way to find what's a real and fake dilo

[lapis swallow]

smal dilos could quieter be, yes

[echo rune]

You can actually see very good which Dilo is real and which is fake

They have completely different call animations

[agile plank]

how about you guys fix your dumb ai flyer like it should not be that hard to kill. I'm a herra and getting hit by a flyer ai from 5 feet above my head and I can't hit it!! maybe do the basic stuff for the game and fix your broken ai's!

[lapis swallow]

wrong channel

[agile plank]

idc

ai bad

[wary flower]

Skill issue

[limber hull]

@queen ember #general-feedback message
"carno is meant to be an ambusher" spotted. Its entire ability and design would like to disagree lol

[lapis swallow]

its so bad rn, you can dogde it with your eyes closed. thats how loud its footsteps are

[queen ember]

In my eyes, Carno uses ambushes to get the jump on prey for a hefty charge damage giving it the advantage to finish off prey, or put them in a weak spot

If you keep your eyes open and see it coming as Carno is fairly big, you can move out of the way and punishes a Carno who ambushes at the wrong times

The problem is that even if I set up the perfect ambush. It doesn’t matter as my footsteps create drum beats heard across the world

It doesn’t brawl, it CAN pursuit in open areas but is fairly easy to juke. So getting the jump (ambushing) should be its best way of hunting

If a Carno messes up, it should be on the Carno rather than just “someone can hear my loud AF stomps”

[proud coral]

I'd very much like footstep audio to just rely on weight and walking stance. That's it. None of this "huehue Dilo go stomp" or "heehoo crouch is actually louder than trot" (though a recent patch may have fixed that actually) stuff.

[queen ember]

Funny how a juvie cera who weighs more than a sub dilo, makes smaller footstep sounds

[proud coral]

I know mud would also do this. I used to be able to hear Juvie Deinos walking on mud from across a field perfectly fine

[proud coral]

Mmhm. And I get the excuse of "well Dilo is dangerous so it needs to be loud"

Except uh...I think that's kinda BS design. Troodon can be horrifically dangerous, it's as quiet as a mouse. Omnis are dangerous. Herrera is dangerous.

It just irks me because it's not good design, it's inconsistency.

[queen ember]

I would argue a raptor pack is far more dangerous than a dilo

Yet you’ll hear the dilo before you hear the 9 raptors running at you

[minor field]

Hypsi is dangerous to my fresh spawn troodon, it should have footsteps as loud as Godzilla to compensate

[proud coral]

Like we already had them forgo the entire damn concept of sanctuaries with Hypsi, I'd rather not do more "uh well uh actually uh this is this way despite literally everything else because uh yeah we said so"

[queen ember]

And the whole “Carno isn’t a ambusher” is because Carno charge keeps fluctuating between being a brawling machine, being outright overpowered, and just bad

U5 it worked great as a ambusher

[proud coral]

I disagree with the idea of it being focused as an ambusher, but I will agree that Carno just doesn't know what the heck it wants to be

Poor thing got bonked on the head one too many times and has amnesia

[normal lotus]

I think carno should be a pursuit hunter first and an ambush hunter second, ambushing to take down things that can either outrun it. Or probably kill it if they try to attack them by pursuit means

[minor field]

Pursuit carno seems kinda lame to me and I don’t get the want for it outside of this weird want to have legacy carno back also it’s pretty bad at the whole pursuit thing since it can’t turn very well.
Like if you’re mildly good at juking you’ll escape any carno as most things.

[queen ember]

I don’t mind it being a mix of a ambushed, and a pursuit hunter depending on what it’s hunting

[proud coral]

The pursuit Carno I've always yearned for is something like this

Carno chases ya
You juke because yer a smart
Carno drifts a bit before bolting back at you
Oh God oh no oh geez
Panic and either juke him until his stamina runs out, or get to safety. If ya don't, he WILL get ya.

[minor field]

And im referring to the people who want it to be PURELY pursuit, I like the idea of mixing the two hunting styles into one

[lapis swallow]

so we need tokio drift carno?

[proud coral]

Open plains are his domain

I guess

[normal lotus]

Domain expansion: Infinite grasslands

[proud coral]

[queen ember]

I want a Tokyo drift to make pursuit gameplay a game of gambling where the Carno will drift to

[lapis swallow]

I want to play carno with a steering wheel

[proud coral]

Ya either drift away and lose yer chance
Or you drift right where you wanted to

Could open up a lot of very fun yet skillful moves

The TF2 Rocket Jump of Isle

[normal lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/han-tokyodrift-gif-8353630

[proud coral]

[limber hull]

so allo?

because that's just allo

but smaller and less popular

[normal lotus]

Allo in evrima is an ambush hunter

From what we can tell.

Like an ambush predator and solidly one

[limber hull]

based on its concept art, not so much

[native vortex]

Animals can share similarities while not being an exact copy

[limber hull]

given the fact we see it pursuit hunting paras

it is a "pursuit ambush mix"

[lapis swallow]

can someone pull out the concept art real quick?

[limber hull]

when we have three "pursuit ambush mixes" in midtier as the ONLY midtier carnivores, it becomes kind of an overlap

carno, allo and alberto are all this niche

[lapis swallow]

We dont know from that alone from the picture

[limber hull]

in the para concept art it's shown working to tire out a para

[lapis swallow]

can someone give us the concept art

[limber hull]

unless we assume that our ambush allo will kill a para the moment it catches one, which is... pretty hysterical

[normal lotus]

Alberto is pretty much pure pursuit and BRAWLER.

Allosaurus seems to rely on ambush.

And carno is a pursuit hunter for things smaller than it. And ambush for things around its size

[lapis swallow]

where is the pursuit, looks more like a ambush to me

like, that allo on the right seems to be cutting off the para

[queen ember]

Allo seems more like a generalist who can fight a fair amount of stuff in a group, while Carno is limited with its charge and weaker bite/movement capabilities

But Carno has speed and raw charge power. Allo while a bit stronger, is slower more reliant on bleed and can grapple

And tbf ambushing isn’t a single exclusive thing. Some carnivores just need to rely on it more than others

It’s what you do with that ambush

[lapis swallow]

pretty much everything carnivore can be a effective ambusher

[queen ember]

Carno uses speed and knocks stuff over

Allo grapples and pins stuff

Rex just uses raw power

[lapis swallow]

"oh, you just got the first hit for free, great"

[queen ember]

By Allos definition it’s a better Omni. Except it’s not because one is far more pack based and agile

Same reason I dislike comparing troodon to Dilo. Yeah they share the same name of “venom” and both have good night vision. But their hunting methods are vastly different

[proud coral]

Troodon hunts through prey taking pity upon it

[lapis swallow]

How else?

[proud coral]

[native vortex]

Aww hell no #general-feedback message☠️

Angry raptor mains downvoted my feedback

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/its-groundhog-day-again-reporting-news-bill-murray-groundhog-day-gif-10873928

[native vortex]

[proud coral]

What exactly is the problem with the pounce Genuinely asking

[lapis swallow]

do you why I sent this gif?

[native vortex]

No

[lapis swallow]

#balance-feedback-discussion message

[native vortex]

When raptors pounce similar sized dinos, it one taps them without any counterplay lmao, He has a op abillity and dosent even get punished for missing a pounce

[native vortex]

Lmao

[minor field]

Stamina loss is kinda a meaningful punishment now

So that’s the punishment for it

[native vortex]

Its also undodgeable

[minor field]

False

[native vortex]

Stamina loss? He can just rest lol

[proud coral]

I can definitely agree on the last part As for one-tapping being an instant pin....yeeeeeeah that could prolly be improved. A random idea I had for it could be a pin requiring a minimum distance/run time kind of thing, kinda like Carno's charge threshold except not awful.

So like if you're up in something's face, unless it's significantly smaller than you, you just hurt it and don't pin, or just latch on instead if it's big enough. But with a running start, you carry more oomph and thus pin it right away, but not from point-blank.

[minor field]

Yeah if you’re something he can pin and he sits down to rest for a while, you’ve just survived and escaped him

[native vortex]

No, Raptors got the best turn and can land pounces easily

[minor field]

This id like more yeah

[native vortex]

Wdym? If you get pinned its over, its a one tap abillity

[minor field]

I mean if he burns his stamina pouncing and has to sit to rest mid hunt, you can just run away and live

[native vortex]

Unless he had 10% stam to begin with there is no escaping a pounce

[proud coral]

Not sure if this still works, but Omnis and Beips pounced from the front will actually deal damage to the pinner

So it's not much but....there's that at least 😛

[minor field]

I believe in the past a troodon who pinned a baby omni would actually bleed out to the retaliations while pinned which is funni

[limber hull]

i literally once killed an omni from being pinned as troodon LMAO

[sterile shale]

Haha

I mean the janky hitboxes just make omnis pounce/pin a nightmare in general

[queen locust]

Because when I was a omni one jumped on me and I almost bleed out fully

[sterile shale]

I mean how else is it gonna kill you,

if it pounces you once, chances are you're not gonna let it pounce you again

[native vortex]

Yea and whats wrong? Omnis can also bleed out ppl and herrera can only hit once so it should be hard and powerful

[sterile shale]

if a herrera pounces you and you just run away and end up being fine, then how does herrera stand a chance to kill anything lol

its prob not gonna run after you either

[native vortex]

Yea lmao the Guy was a raptor and didn’t even die

[queen locust]

nah if he ran after me I would have died my bleed was at 5%

[sterile shale]

how far did you run?

[native vortex]

Raptors can bleed out carnos, do you think that they should get nerfed

[native vortex]

Pounce him and he Will die lol

[queen locust]

no because the pounce is already broken plus I don't just have to jump on something to bleed it out

[sterile shale]

thats legit what pin is lmao

you pin that herrera and he is gone lmao

[native vortex]

Broken? Not that broken lol, it works just fine

[queen locust]

yeah and your gone too because you didn't sit in time

[sterile shale]

that's how bleed works

[native vortex]

You’re saying ”just”, its hard to get into position as a herrera and your target needs to stand completly still

[queen locust]

its not? When I play herra i just kill a goat and sit on a high tree

[native vortex]

He can only hit once unlike Raptors who can pounce multiple times

[sterile shale]

yeah wow what fun gameplay, killing an ai that sits still is so compareable to a moving player

if you nerf herreras bleed pounce would be useless in killing anything aside from ai

and juvis

I don't see how its a crime that a well placed, well timed pounce can bleed out an omni

when pin requires much less timing and accuracy

and does the same job

[queen locust]

no the ai is bait so the player can stand still and I think herra can still kill things without massive bleed

[sterile shale]

like what lmao

if there's no bleed, whatever you're hunting just runs away and then what do u do

[queen locust]

there is still bleed just less and you chase after it

[native vortex]

Bait dosent often work

[native vortex]

Herrera is weak, if he chases after it he will die lol

[queen locust]

I went after a cera with another herrera once and i didn't die

[native vortex]

That cera might have been bad, you usually get killed if u chase smt

[queen locust]

and how do you know that? have you chased after things as herrera?

[native vortex]

Yes

I got 600 hours on Herrera alone

[queen locust]

what did you chase after?

[native vortex]

Just about anything, raptors,dilos,ceras and carnos

Tenos aswel

[tight iron]

dont even argue about this with him

it's not worth it, he just wants to not be able to be pinned down as a herrera regardless of his mistakes

[native vortex]

Mate I’ve already debunked u a ton of times on this, I’m not gonna argue with someone who believes taht Allos should one tap carnos

[tight iron]

i never said that

in fact you made that up completely 🤷‍♂️

anddddddddd you never debunked anything soooo yeah nopenope

[native vortex]

U did, let me find the screen shots rq

[tight iron]

alr go for it

me saying that if allo gets pin ability it should do damage and bleed over time is totally saying that allos should 1 tap carnos

[native vortex]

You said it should be like the raptor anyways answer this, should the carno be alive after the Allo pins it

[tight iron]

im not here to argue with you

im here to tell him to not even bother

[native vortex]

Then stay quiet and don’t jump in my arguments

[native vortex]

Cuz he can’t handle being debunked

[tight iron]

that was like 40 mins ago

[wary flower]

Lmao you two again

[queen locust]

I still think herrera bleed damage should be nerfed. Sometimes dinos at full health will run but most end up staying (from my experience anyway) enough for me to kill them. Even if you do bleed out the herrera wont just come from its hiding spots to eat the thing that bled out because when I come back as juvi my corspe has not been eaten

[tight iron]

in all honesty i think it's good right now

[native vortex]

To end this argument, why do you think that raptors should one tap gallis

[sterile shale]

What?

[tight iron]

cause raptor is an ambush predator and if the galli didn't notice the raptors, well, that's on him

[queen locust]

what did you not understand?

[tight iron]

same reason as to why herrera should be able to 1 tap em as well

if they commit a mistake, ded

[native vortex]

That’s just your personal experience, most herreras would def eat since we get hungry fast lol, and the bleed should be high since it can only hit once and therefore it should be powerful, unlike raptors who are also bleeders, they can go in multiple times

[sterile shale]

So you pounce someone and most people don’t run away?

[native vortex]

I 100% agree, in an ambush raptors should be able to one tap but during a fight is op

[queen locust]

yeah they just stand there waiting for me while the other herrera i'm with jumps them from another angle

[tight iron]

imma be fully honest, the best way to solve this is just run away or try to fight back if you are able to

[native vortex]

Fighting back isn’t really an option since the raptor is everything you are but better and can kill u quicker

[sterile shale]

Well what do you do as a solo player? I’m assuming they were baiting your pounce before the other Herrera killed them, so if you’re solo what are you supposed to do

[tight iron]

it pretty much only applies to pachies tbh

rest can't really fight back and should just run away

[queen locust]

usually they turn around to see if anything is coming and when that happens if i'm solo I jump them

[sterile shale]

Yeah but if you’re solo, no one is gonna give you the chance to pounce you twice unless they’re bad

[native vortex]

It’s pretty unbalanced tho, imagine having Allo one tapping things as carnos lol

[native vortex]

It would create chaos

[queen locust]

a lot of people end up underestimating herrera long enough to stay

since its a small dino compared to the rest

[native vortex]

Then it’s their fault

[tight iron]

tbh most of the times it isn't supposed to be fully balanced

but im not so sure about allos pinning things down...

[queen locust]

yeah then you have a meal, hence the reason why the bleed should do so much.

[native vortex]

Maybe, but him having the ability to one tap is unnecessary, you can’t really compare it to a deino who needs to be able to one tap

[tight iron]

i know, i don't think allo having pin is an excellent idea

[native vortex]

Same logic should be applied to the raptor and it’s pin can be changed up a bit, don’t get me wrong I want raptor to be strong aswell (mainly against bigger opps, even without the pin it can do fine against things it size)

[tight iron]

im not so sure about that, raptor pins stuff that's small

it doesn't take much to re-grow it, which can't be compared to allo pinnin big stuff down

[native vortex]

Gallis? Other raptors?

[tight iron]

yeah that's somewhat small

but allo... that boi would pin very big stuff down

[native vortex]

Herrera alone takes 1 hour and 20 mins that’s a long time, ppl have things to get to

[native vortex]

Yea but it’s similar in size right

[tight iron]

then make the growth times shorter 👍

[native vortex]

Fr

[tight iron]

well yes it is but boi 3 hours or so gon

in a second

[native vortex]

I mean at 50% carnos are already big and looks fully grown unlike gallis and herreras who are pathetic untill they are fully grown

[tight iron]

uhhhhhhhh 50% carno doesnt look fg

[sterile shale]

Yeah I remember I played galli and just getting bled out by a pin

[tight iron]

not even 80% carno does if you look right

[native vortex]

A 50% carno weights more than a dilo and can actually kill things

[tight iron]

yus

[native vortex]

Tell me this, why should a raptor get highly rewarded for something he did effortlessly? You essentially want the game to baby feed things to the raptor without it having to break a sweat

[native vortex]

It’s a miracle that u escaped that one tap ability

[tight iron]

it's not effortlessly

and if we speak about that, why can herrera do the same

[native vortex]

It is, all you have to do is press one button and it pins? Raptors great mobility helps it follow its opponents every move and then killl them

[tight iron]

you also need to press 1 button and it jumps as herrera 🤷‍♂️

i don't understand the issue with pin

[native vortex]

Herrera takes time getting into the position, and needs the perfect timing, hitting a moving target from above is harder than a pounce lmao

[native vortex]

It’s also very inconsistent so predicting can be extremely hard

[tight iron]

you also need terrain and position as a raptor 🤷‍♂️

[native vortex]

This made me giggle

[tight iron]

is it not right tho?

[native vortex]

What position mate?😭 he can pounce from anywhere

[tight iron]

ah yes let me right click and i will be tped to a small dino

you gotta go towards someone without being seen or heard

making sure that the terrain wont make it impossible

and then commit pinning

[native vortex]

I mean if u fight it, Is it really that hard to pin

[tight iron]

well i personally wouldn't sprint towards a galli

[native vortex]

U can one tap them mate

[tight iron]

i can just make my way slowly towards him and catch him

but he can outrun me 🤷‍♂️

[desert arch]

Lets not forget that every small playable has an ability that completely negates omni's pin. Stuff like: herrera's climbing, dryo's burrow (ik its not in yet, but its already being worked on), galli's sheer speed, beipi's ability to dive etc. And if you look at future playables smaller than omni they'll get a special ability to counter it as well. For example: austro's ability to dive, all the burrowing creatures (theres like 5 coming lol).

[tight iron]

^^

[native vortex]

Gallis usually fight raptors tho

[tight iron]

then absolute and atrocious skill issue

you should not fight a raptor when you're gonna get pinned

[native vortex]

So we are forced to retreat? Then Allo should be able to one tap and carnos shouldn’t be able to go near the,

[tight iron]

in what world would you fight something bigger and stronger than you

[desert arch]

How does allo relate to anything that I just said?

[native vortex]

Mate, hitting a target from above with inconsistent results depending on how high you are is not even remotely close to a raptors ambush methods

[desert arch]

Also omni has plenty of bad matchups too, pretty much everything bigger than it absolutely destroys it in a 1v1

[native vortex]

He is prob gonna get a pin or smt, so same logic can be applied

[desert arch]

Actually no, we dont even know allos ability yet and how it will work exactly. And speculation isnt the strongest argument

[native vortex]

It’s also a hypothesis, so let’s say Allo gets a pin mechanic, should every dino in his tier run at the sight of him?

[tight iron]

if you're gonna die, yes

[desert arch]

If they have ways to avoid it, yes

if they dont, then they should have other ways of self defense

[native vortex]

They can’t cuz they will get one tapped

[desert arch]

such as fighting back when pinned, similar to how pinning other omnis puts you on the verge of death, even if you win

[desert arch]

i doubt allo is gonna be faster than a carno

and again, we arent talking about allo

[native vortex]

Herrera can’t negate a omnis pounce play both dinos before making an assumptions, raptors can literally knock herreras out of trees

[tight iron]

not if you're high enough

[native vortex]

It’s a hypothesis so yes I can use it in this argument

[desert arch]

then climb higher lol
I play a lot of herrera, it really isnt that hard to avoid getting pinned if you know the omnis are there beforehand. And if they get an ambush then ggs, well played by them, Im invincible 99% of the time anyway

[native vortex]

Raptors are faster, if a herrera is on the ground it’s not gonna be one centimeter away from the tree

[tight iron]

don't let yourself be seen or heard

[native vortex]

Wdym climb higher? Herreras have a set climbing speed, if a raptor is on my back I won’t be able to escape

[native vortex]

Ok so no more eating on ground

[tight iron]

if there's raptors around, then no

[desert arch]

jump+sprint climb gets you out of omnis range in less than a second. Also, just... dont climb down if you know there are omnis nearby

[native vortex]

Raptors are always around, ima starve myself using that tip

[tight iron]

then go down get a piece get back up

[desert arch]

(or just bring an organ up the tree)

[native vortex]

I’ve tried that but omnis jump after u while u are in the air and knocks u down the moment u latch on giving you no time to climb

[native vortex]

They fall thru………

[desert arch]

Then you managed to get ambushed, well played by the omnis

[tight iron]

no just bring the small ones n swallow em

[desert arch]

visually yes, but you can still eat from them, but yeah its annoying

[native vortex]

When did I say that I got ambushed? I was eating and saw an Omni not that far away and got chased

[native vortex]

Most of the time no, your prob confusing it with rocks

You can eat from them

[desert arch]

nope, I did it yesterday

on 2 different organs

maybe its different on hordtesting idk

[native vortex]

Damn, it sometimes works it seems

[native vortex]

Most likely

Anyways the point is that herreras can’t escape these omnis

[tight iron]

you can

[native vortex]

Why th is raptors even rewarded for smt they take no effort in

[desert arch]

The only place where youre truly vulnerable is in the plains when you come down

[tight iron]

^^

if you don't wanna get pinned don't go down when raptors are close to you

[native vortex]

99% of the time no, unless u spot them from a mile away

[tight iron]

then eyesight issue

[desert arch]

The forest between east and delta is an absolute paradise for herreras, even if theyre careless a big tree is always just 1 jump away

[native vortex]

How? They were behind some trees lol

[tight iron]

then gg raptors

[native vortex]

Then gg for smt they took no effort in

That’s ridiculous

[tight iron]

they don't have to take massive effort

carno charge takes no effort and can 1 tap a wide array of dinos as well

[native vortex]

They shouldn’t get rewarded for smt they took no effort in

[desert arch]

I mean, as a herrera youre pretty much invincible if you dont want to die, nothing can touch you up in the trees. I pretty much always die to my own stupidity

[native vortex]

It does since you can dodge it easily, remember how u weren’t able to land one single charge lol?

[tight iron]

yes because... they bugged and it was only 1 match 🤷‍♂️

you can also dodge raptor pounce with ease

[native vortex]

Blud ignored my whole point, raptors can just jump after u and knock u down

[tight iron]

not as easily as carno charges tho

but you can literally invalidate it with terrain

[desert arch]

then dont go down the tree? You can get both water and food from rivers where youre also safe from omnis since herrera can dive

[native vortex]

Erm No??? Raptors have high mobility and can follow your every movement don’t even compare that to a carno

[native vortex]

So? I was playing with u for a solid min, u charged multiple times but missed all

[tight iron]

did i not completely invalidate your pins the other day

(yes i did)

boi i even nibbled you as a pachy it's not difficult

[native vortex]

Did I not pin u down multiple times
(Yes I did)

[tight iron]

stand near a cliff n stuff and if he pounces he's gonna die to fall damage

[native vortex]

There aren’t cliffs at east plains

[tight iron]

there's a lot of places that you can use for the raptor to die from fall damage

[native vortex]

So I’m gonna eat fish and be isolated? Great

[tight iron]

or break his leg

[desert arch]

If you dont want to ever die to a pin then yeah ig

[native vortex]

You’re most likely not going to be near those + fall damadge has been changed, raptors can survive 10000 meters falls with no leg break

[desert arch]

yeah, you literally have to actively try to take fall damage now :/

[native vortex]

“Then yeah ig” Then the game wouldn’t be fun now would it? Being oppressed and forced to isolate in a video game is crazzyyyy

[tight iron]

then be near those

[tight iron]

it is how nature works

[native vortex]

There aren’t any

[tight iron]

if you don't like it don't play the game

[desert arch]

you become invincible though, literally nothing can do anything about your existence

[native vortex]

Dawg it’s a video game, not real life sit back and rethink what u just said

[desert arch]

except when youre drinking, but herrera can reach spots no other playable can access

[tight iron]

i know but you're tryna not get pinned down by smth almost 4 times bigger than you that is supposed to eat you

it doesn't even make sense, why should raptors not be able to pin you down

[native vortex]

My misirble existence? This is a game not real life, being oppressed and forced to isolate is not it

[tight iron]

landing a carno charge is easier than a pin

and it can 1 tap you, however it's reasonable since you're way smaller than it

[desert arch]

then take the slight risk of playing normally

[tight iron]

well crap same thing with raptor, it's way bigger and stronger than you, so it should be able to kill you like that

[native vortex]

Raptors are the same size as Herrera’s and I got pinned down by a 175 kg raptor, he wasn’t even sub adult

[native vortex]

Massive risk*

[tight iron]

a fg raptor is 450kg...

[desert arch]

Trees:

[native vortex]

Ye but u got killed by a 175 kg juvi

[tight iron]

then bad luck i guess i don't know what to say

[native vortex]

No offense but man… do you have selective memory

[desert arch]

you took a risk of eating in the plains and you payed the price, I still dont see whats wrong with that

[native vortex]

“Then bad luck ig” then allow carnos to easily kill raptors and force them to isolate

[tight iron]

they already do that

we are just smart and get up and don't complain 🤷‍♂️

[native vortex]

Bc there was no fight? No rush of adrenaline, no thrill. Getting killed by something while it’s hunting u isn’t the same

[native vortex]

Is this bait

[native vortex]

Did you legitimately say that’s it’s a struggle to escape carnos

[minor field]

What even is this anymore

[native vortex]

I’ve lost all my brain cells and energy

[tight iron]

it's not a struggle but why would i even risk it

[native vortex]

There is no way

[tight iron]

if we ain't careful we're getting 1 tapped

[desert arch]

why does there have to be a fight though? Deino is just 1000x worse in this regard

[native vortex]

BRO SAID THAT IT WAS DIFFUCULT IN ESCAPING CARNOS

Ima lose it no joke

[tight iron]

they oppress us because they're faster and way stronger than us

and they have us on their diet

[native vortex]

Bc deino and raptors have completely diffrent playstyle’s, Deinos are limited to one place while raptors can follow u

[native vortex]

Uninstall the game pls

[tight iron]

i beg your pardon wat

[desert arch]

yeah they can follow you to the nearest tree

[native vortex]

They don’t oppress u mate..

[tight iron]

raptor dont oppress you either

[desert arch]

Theyre faster though, so yes they do. They can force an engagement

[tight iron]

with oppress i mean being forced to run away and still having a good chance of dying

[native vortex]

There is no reason to lie and manipulate the situation, there is no difficulty in escaping a carno and you know that

[tight iron]

depends

but generally speaking it's easy to avoid em

[native vortex]

Good chance? Really bro, there is a good chance that carno who has the worst turn radius and acceleration can catch a zig zagging agile raptor

[tight iron]

however most raptor suck and get mauled down by carnos

[native vortex]

I have officially lost it

[desert arch]

Its only really hard to avoid a carno if theres multiple of them and they all focus you

[minor field]

Or ping

[tight iron]

im putting a scenario in which you're around 30-40 seconds away from a safe place with carnos around you

[native vortex]

Which is rare, since carnos are usually solos or duos while raptors are in a pack

[desert arch]

Personally, I wouldnt take that into consideration when it comes to balance, its a double edged sword

[tight iron]

in that scenario, you will take around 1 minute

if the carno knows what he's doing, it's a bit tricky but very much doable

[native vortex]

You can still easily zig zagging, I never thought I had to explain this

[tight iron]

you are not understanding waht i mean

[desert arch]

2 carnos is enough to make you sweat when you try to dodge both, and the omnis pack size doesnt really matter, the carnos can just focus down 1 at a time

[native vortex]

I am, but I may not understand anymore since your comment destroyed my thinking capabilities

[minor field]

Yeah that’s true, just felt like throwing it out there because idek where this convo is going

[tight iron]

if the carno knows what he's doing, it's a bit tricky but very feasible to do, however the raptors that suck and im using as example would all die

if your definition of oppressing is literally someone having zero chance, then nothing oppresses anyone

[native vortex]

One sharp turn and you get 10 meters ahead it ain’t taht hard

[desert arch]

I can relate

[desert arch]

Which the carnos can close in 1 second

[native vortex]

Yeah lets fight then and u will see that you won’t be able to catch me lmao

[minor field]

Carno can get juked out by a raptor easily, this isn’t new knowledge but also I have to point out that in a decently well coordinated pack of raptors, the raptors will stop the carnos from focusing one person down and drag their attention all over the place until they die of blood loss and exhaustion. In that case yes, a pack does indeed assist you from getting away from them most of the time

[native vortex]

No it can’t since it has horrible acceleration and the raptor is decently fast itself so it’s gonna be long gone

[desert arch]

carno has instant accelaration wdym?

[native vortex]

Thank you

[native vortex]

It takes it 2-3 secs to reach max speed

[minor field]

I have to say that carno takes off to max speed in less than a second

[native vortex]

Which is plenty in the isle time

[desert arch]

it goes from 0 to 55km in less than a second after tapping shift

[tight iron]

yeah i never said this doesnt happen

[minor field]

That hasn’t been the case since update 6.5

[normal lotus]

I think he means poor deceleration

[native vortex]

Yea that 2

[desert arch]

There are ways to avoid drifting. Such as the crouch tech

[tight iron]

im just saying that if a carno knows what he's doing the pack is gon (most raptor packs are terrible)

[desert arch]

makes you stop instantly

[tight iron]

but if the pack is good no carno will ever catch you

[native vortex]

A carno never catches u but you said it was difficult escaping one carno as a solo

[tight iron]

i said it's a bit tricky but perfectly doable to escape from a good carno player

a bit tricky does NOT mean difficult

a bit tricky means that you gotta pay more attention for baits and stuff

[normal lotus]

Ngl I wish galli was played more.

[desert arch]

Man I love galli

[native vortex]

U said that they do oppress raptors and usually kill them lmaoo

[normal lotus]

Galli flocks are probably the most engaging pack to try and go after or be in when being chasef

[native vortex]

Yea well galli players have no choice than to play smt else since raptors will just oppres and one tap em

[tight iron]

your definition of oppressing is having the ability to kill them so yeah if we use that definition, they oppress them

and am i not right tho? carnos usually kill raptors

[normal lotus]

Can't hit what ain't there.

[native vortex]

My defenition of oppression is having the ability to kill someone without them being able to do much

[normal lotus]

Gallimimus outspeed everything except carno and outstam everything

[tight iron]

okay if that's the definition, then carnos oppress raptor cause they can kill them

[normal lotus]

Gallimimus doesn't fight unless they're mobbing something

[native vortex]

No read again,

[tight iron]

nvm message edition be like

[native vortex]

Yea mb

[tight iron]

okay in that case carnos dont oppress raptors

[native vortex]

They don’t usually kill raptors

[tight iron]

they make their lives pain

[tight iron]

uh, they do

if they catch em off guard yes

[native vortex]

Yup and therefore carnos should be able to do quick turns to kill and oppress raptors am i right?

[native vortex]

But I’m talking abt a situation when both are aware

[normal lotus]

An Omni should have the ability to escape if necessary

[tight iron]

in that case it's complicated for the carno to get him

[native vortex]

Yea then why can’t Herrera escape omnis

[tight iron]

ever heard of climbing

[normal lotus]

They do...it's called a tree

[tight iron]

ever heard of using terrain to make raptors go to hell after missing a pounce smh

[native vortex]

Do you have selective memory, omnis can knock herreras out of trees

[native vortex]

No they can’t check the above

[tight iron]

not if they're high up 🤷‍♂️

carnos can ram raptors that aren't high enough as well so

[native vortex]

Unless the Herrera was half a centimeter away from the tree and the raptor a bit far then yes

[normal lotus]

Here's my two cents on the Omni vs carno.

Carno should be able to kill Omni pretty easily if the Omni doesn't know how to juke. But it should take skill to get down a juking omni

[tight iron]

wat

[normal lotus]

As a Herrera youre...supposed to be by trees like 80% of the time

[minor field]

If you need to escape up a tree quicker you can always jump right before you’re getting to it and then like scramble around the side of the tree before bolting up it to avoid the pounce

[native vortex]

When getting food it won’t work

[native vortex]

They will jump after and pounce the moment u latch on

[normal lotus]

Grab chunks of the food rather than just chowing down. I kinda hope at some point they allow you to drag kills up into trees but you get what I mean

[tight iron]

then go behind the tree

[native vortex]

You won’t have time to climb

[minor field]

Also there’s more than just trees pretty much any cliff or ledge is a big boon to you because fall damage is pretty much a non issue as herrera, also water might work sometimes but definitely not at night

[native vortex]

They will pounce the moment u turn

[minor field]

Idk I haven’t had a ton of encounters with raptors as herrera and most of the time I did I was the one catching him off guard

But I can’t speak for everyone so

[native vortex]

There isn’t fall damadge for raptors aswell after this patch

[normal lotus]

Ah yes they will pounce twice in less than 2 seconds

[native vortex]

Twice? Wym

[normal lotus]

Ok, if I'm going to the tree, and I shimmy to the left or right. And the Omni tries to pounce me, it'll miss, they'd have to pounce again to get me

[tight iron]

not if you're behind the tree and he's in front

[native vortex]

Palms are skinny if u do allat actions u will miss

[normal lotus]

Depends on the tree

[native vortex]

Yea but that didn’t happen often, they usually come from ur direction

[minor field]

There is for them and even still the main use I find for cliffs as an escape tool is jumping off than grabbing onto a ledge where I can’t be reached, as long as you do this and the raptor follows you down the drop you will survive it

[tight iron]

then go to the tree and don't jump immediately

[minor field]

Idk man just be more careful with them as a herrera, raptors aren’t in every five feet of the map :/

[tight iron]

^^

[native vortex]

They are a popular playable they are lol

[native vortex]

They will jump

[tight iron]

green is herrera black is raptor

[native vortex]

Herreras are at east plains

[tight iron]

go behind and jump

[tight iron]

i couldnt find any better image

[minor field]

Not to say your annoyances are invalid cause they arent, I absolutely despise raptors too sometimes but they really are not that insane of a problem. Raptor is also one of herreras absolute best prey options because you effectively one shot them with a single pounce and maybe to sort of add some sort of pin drawback to stuff like herrera it could also fight back while being pinned?

[native vortex]

Won’t work with skinny palms that easily

[tight iron]

uh yes it will it literally blocks the hit

[native vortex]

You will usually miss the palm lmao

[native vortex]

And your tail will still be out so the raptor can pounce it

[minor field]

Skinny palms are also clumped together like, a ton and in that case just dart around the palms. You’re tinier than him and players don’t have heatseeking vision and won’t be able to fully track your movements. On top of that the trees also block the raptors pounce hitbox a bunch and allow for an easier escape overall

[tight iron]

massive skill issue

if you can't get behind a palm and jump up, skill issue

[native vortex]

Nope and raptors can still pounce you, palms are skinny so when turning your body will still be vulnerable you can’t hide behind one

[tight iron]

no sir they cant

[minor field]

Also just my cliffs point from earlier with red being the raptor and green being the herrera (sorry if it’s hard to see the green) supposing that they have no fall damage, apparently

Also this image kinda sucks ik but it’s the best stock cliff I could find lol sorry

But basically the herrera just jumps off the drop and latches onto the cliff face

[native vortex]

Yea but there aren’t many cliffs at east plains

I’ll be back in a bit

[normal lotus]

But...Herrera isn't really made to be there

[minor field]

Not every encounter happens in East plains and you also said that raptors are every 5 feet of the map when they arent.

Also at East plains there’s the walls you can climb that nothing else can and if a raptor jumps up there you’ll have already gotten onto the wall and started climbing allowing you to escape

[minor field]

My reaction when the forest animal does bad in the plains biome

Oh wait actually there are a few cliffs like that at East plains as well, though they are in a crap spot of the map so you could still technically use that. Not to mention the forest like 20 feet away from it

[desert arch]

Or the herbivore migration zone that is in the forest. Even the beach one is usable, there is a forest right next to it.

East is a pretty good spot for herrera, if you avoid the little pond

[minor field]

I guess that’s the only area in there he’s considering?

[desert arch]

Probably, most people think like that

[native vortex]

Where is he supposed to be at?

[native vortex]

Yea bc most players are there, I’m not gonna isolate myself

[minor field]

This is closer to the map spread I’d say. South plains and northeast are pretty popular and south plains is a very good area for herrera to be so if you wanna find peeps you can spawn at East plains, get some diet, then run down to south. Or just do all of that at south.

[normal lotus]

Jungles, forests, swamps, and probably the highlands too

[native vortex]

South plains is an open area how is it good for herreras?

[normal lotus]

The southern plains have a lot of big trees in the surrounding area

[native vortex]

No one are at those parts of the map and swamp + highlands are literally bad for Herreras

[native vortex]

Most ppl aren’t under those tho

[minor field]

It has thicker trees everywhere and cliffaces as well as fish spawns and easy ambush spots to use

[normal lotus]

Swamp is great for Herrera wym?

[desert arch]

The trees are kinda buggy there :/

[native vortex]

It dosent have much trees

[native vortex]

Ye dat aswell

[desert arch]

Otherwise its great, lots of omnis there usually

[normal lotus]

I see.

On an unrelated note:

Dibble.

I am very excited for dibble

[desert arch]

Potatosaurus :>

[native vortex]

Yea it def needs a nerf

[normal lotus]

The hell you mean?

[native vortex]

I’m joking lol

[normal lotus]

Ok good

[native vortex]

:/

[normal lotus]

I am very much going to be a dibble main

[native vortex]

Which Dino do u main rn?

[normal lotus]

Gallimimus and beipi mostly. But I sometimes play more defensive playables

I know the ins and outs of gallimimus and I have learned in terms of survival it is the best dinosaur in the game

Even without the 100% growth diet gallimimus is still viable at every growth stage.

Because it's speed is reliant on diet slots filled not growth.

[native vortex]

True, I’m looking forward to Diablo aswell, when is the new hordetesting coming if u were to guess

[normal lotus]

Some time in may

Also Dibble gonna be scary to 1v1 by basically everything @native vortex

[native vortex]

My herrera:

Jokes aside true lol

[normal lotus]

Lol

[native vortex]

Hopefully it won’t get nerfed 1 week after it’s releas bc ppl are complaining abt it

[normal lotus]

I will laugh when they complain about it being strong

[rose pendant]

@wooden dagger you can still play the old evrima map, go and play on that branch and see how many people wnat to play that map lol

[knotty frigate]

@wooden dagger It would be great if we could switch between maps. I don't understand why they removed spiro completely... Quite dissapointing

[lapis swallow]

I am pretty sure that no major unofficial would ever go back to spiro. you could also not play with a lot of mechanics

[knotty frigate]

i had quite a lot of fun there tho, would like it back in the official servers

[lapis swallow]

there is a reason spiro is gone, you cant do a lot of stuff that the devs want to

its too small and way too badly designed

[normal lotus]

The map is a chonky one unlike gateway, always downloaded itself every update, hence why they took so long, even the patches. That and also all the trees on spiro would need to be updated for Herrera. Which is bad when the map has a 50/50 chance to nuke itself if you make a slight change.

And that's not even getting into the gameplay

[knotty frigate]

i dont agree about bad desgin. Gateway is def an improvement but spiro was not bad. and there is an option to change maps, they should've left the spiro map there untill more maps come out

[lapis swallow]

OK. that is a lot of stuff I wasnt aware about. makes spiro even worse

[normal lotus]

There's also the fact that a lot of mechanics would need to be put into spiro which spiro cannot support. Like migration zones, sanctuaries, repeating myself with this but Herrera tree climbing

[knotty frigate]

yeah thats true

but it would still be fun to have it as an option, for me atleast. Im not really a big fan of the recent mechanics anyway

Like i usually just ignore migration and i dont go to sanctuaries either

[normal lotus]

Well I mean, there's always the separate option version. It has unofficial only but you can use it. It just doesn't have the new playables

[normal lotus]

I do suggest at least trying to go to the MZ.

[midnight heath]

Alot of Spiro looked exactly the same making it hard to navigate, flats plains with no real landmarks aside from maybe Center and all the waterways were narrow and connected making deinos a big issue. I didn't like Spiro, only 3-4 places tended to even have people unlike Gateway where even if I'm off in a corner I'll likely see someone be it dead or alive.

I'd argue that V3 was a better map than Spiro

Refurbished V3 would be something I'd love to see.

[normal lotus]

Agreed, tho maybe shrunk a bit.

[midnight heath]

Maybe, honestly the area between the Aviary and Lazy river seemed rarely used

Aviary to little Hermit too was a bit empty but not barren of travelers on occassion

[normal lotus]

The map would be pretty good for evrima. It just needs a few touch ups

[midnight heath]

For sure, I think they'd likely need to redo it over but the base is there really. I really liked that forest vibe with all the pines and ponds.

[normal lotus]

Ngl it kinda felt like a temperate rainforest

[lapis swallow]

@jagged coral server performance would down the drain

[tight iron]

the game would literally kill itself

[jagged coral]

Unfortunately yes

[wooden agate]

the game would cry

[bronze kite]

I saw some of the post in announcement, have they sorted AI interactions with submerged deino yet? I noticed when i played a few weeks ago that AI would run on proximity even when fully submerged as croco. I know they aren't diet but seems odd to not be able to get the jump on them for an easy meal.

[rocky raptor]

Deinosuchus, or "terrible crocodile," had an estimated bite force as high as 23,100 psi (102,750 newtons)—greater even than new estimates that put T. rex's bite at 12,814 psi (57,000 newtons)

[icy lion]

Outdated

[rocky raptor]

will this ever become more accurate in game, 500 for a FG Deinos seems a little off

[icy lion]

That study was purely scaling up a modern crocodile's biteforce to a deinosuchus' size with no regard for actual biomechanics

If it could actually bite at 100,000N its skull would explode

[urban flax]

irl biteforce=/= in-game bite damage

Actually irl biteforce =/= irl bite damage

[icy lion]

That too

That's why the Newton label was removed from the bite damage UI

There's no correlation between in-game bite damage and irl bite force

[rocky raptor]

so is the 500 bite damage or bite force at characterscreen?

[urban flax]

bite damage

[icy lion]

Bite force on character screen = bite damage

[rocky raptor]

ohhh okay, thanks for the clarification. is there a UI that shows health pool? ive seen vids with a heart at character screen

[icy lion]

Those are old, the health bar was removed. You can get an estimate of your HP from the color of the heartrate monitor at the bottom of the character menu

And for the most part, your weight is your max HP, but not for every species

[rocky raptor]

bummer, why did that get removed?

[icy lion]

To curb metagaming and allow for uncertainty in fights, primarily

You have to be more cautious with your engagements when you're not absolutely certain you can tank another hit

[rocky raptor]

makes sense actually, one last question for now, does the Deino Alt attack do consistant damage when you grab them or just damage once when grabbing

[icy lion]

It's the same reason most attacks don't have their damage listed either

[icy lion]

The lunge only does damage when you first hit, as far as I know

Then you've got to drown them, it doesn't keep dealing more HP damage

[rocky raptor]

be cool if you could death roll a living player as you have them grabbed

[tight iron]

bite force

you can also quickly open the character screen and see if you have wounded or not

if you do, you're on orange/red health, and you'd have to look at the bite force to actually know how low you are

[tight iron]

only works when orange/red hp

so if im a raptor and i have 55 bite force instead of 65, im fine, but when i have idk 37.85 i am NOT fine

55 bite force would be around, i don't know, 35% hp?

something close to that

[tight iron]

going to happen

[tight iron]

the alt attack is a hell of a bite btw

it has the left click bite the alt bite which does insane damage and then the lunge

[icy lion]

@tropic monolith Evidence is not required, simply leave the box blank if you can't provide a link. Also, if you've got an image, you can just post it anywhere in discord, then right click it and select Copy Link

[tropic monolith]

Well, great. Now I look like a Karen

[radiant nest]

not really...

[boreal briar]

that's a neat little tidbit. I figured HP was just the weight all the time :0

[worn kraken]

@finite light you can already do that by pressing F2 when in game to activate the replay. Then access the replays in the Home Screen , open the relevant replay and activate players ID’s. This way you can check players names and of course you’ll have name and code of everyone, cheaters included

[limber hull]

@fast shale omni is faster in the water. Carno has the worst swimspeed of any carnivore

[fast shale]

right. cuz i literally didnt just get caught by one

[limber hull]

they can use their landspeed to give themselves a boost

[midnight heath]

Sprinting into water does a lot

[limber hull]

True, but not by much. V3 is still a bad map

[midnight heath]

Refurbished, refurbished. They got strong bones.

[limber hull]

IDK about that tbh

[midnight heath]

Bones you gotta bare with me here boss

[limber hull]

If by bones you mean those bones down in the V3 lake, then I agree

Put them on Gateway and boom

[midnight heath]

I swear it's not just nostalgia, it can't be

[limber hull]

From what I remember, if V3 wasn't blocking player exploration with colossal mountains that would slide you down and either break your leg or kill you, it was blocking player exploration with a colossal canyon with only like 2 entryways

[midnight heath]

The mountains were an issue

[barren crater]

the canyon was so annoying

[midnight heath]

Which there were 2

Both bad

[full pewter]

It was so bad you could easily scan it for food

Cause it so consistently had people fall into it

[tight iron]

im not even gonna lie only design wise i find spiro to be better

setting aside all the bugs n stuff, v3 is imo just so frickin terrible

it was only lake mountain lake mountain lake mountain etc

gib us some plains oh ma lord

but meanwhile spiro had no frickin mountains, genuine mountains like v3 or gateway

but, being fully honest, i prefer plains

[gusty rock]

was i right that that i read somewhere you can no pounce enmies from the rear? cuz it doesnt seem to be working if so

[tight iron]

only in hordetesting branch

[gusty rock]

ty^^

[tender latch]

#general-feedback message @hot crypt
YES
YES

NEED

Dude I want sort of like... crazy challenges that involve being forced to interact with dinosaur players by like trying to put bio-monitoring chips in them and trying not to get gored by them at the same time

That would probably be way too hard but would probably be fun in a chaotic way

[limber hull]

bro stealth missions requiring me to sneak past dinos over run and gunning my beloved

[tender latch]

Oh wait I had one really cool idea a few months back, brb

[hot crypt]

Yes I agree. This game is meant to be hard

[tender latch]

So basically a sort of objective where you have to go around dark tunnels in an underground facility and turn various switches on or off in a sort of puzzle-like manner, but at the same time there's an unkillable AI theropod in the tunnels with you and you have to like run and hide from it while also trying to do the objective

[hot crypt]

And it would encourage the human players to not kill everything in sight

[tender latch]

Trust me, they won't be able to anyways

Remember, Isle "dinos" truly are genetically engineered monsters basically

[hot crypt]

Love the tunnel puzzle idea but replace therapod with gen1 cannibal

[tender latch]

They will be harder to take down than uncles at thanksgiving dinners

[tender latch]

OH MY GOD YES
I LOVE YOU I THINK

[hot crypt]

😉

[limber hull]

unkillable AI therapod boring tbh

not a big fan of unkillable AI

especially in a survival game

[hot crypt]

Yeah it would have to be killable

Mabey if a human base is left uninhabited for a long time some ‘things’ take up residence and have to be cleared out to reclaim it

[limber hull]

(let players do it please)

dino players should naturally be encouraged to detriment humans

not just because it inrreases their chances of survival, but also food and general fun

[hot crypt]

So perhaps a Dino players can smell abandoned bases

[limber hull]

bases also will have rats in the future, which we know is an AI some animals (likely troodon) will eat

[urban flax]

@full pewter Nice
Acro but not terribly awful
Still a bit shallow imo, but that's better than nothing

However I still don't agree with the chokehold being a oneshot move against anything bigger than a maia

[full pewter]

I think Acro is big enough to where it’s excusable enough, it’s not quite a true apex but it’s dang close

Maia is puny compared to it

Even Stego could suffer if not careful, but I have other ideas for Stego specifically

[urban flax]

Ok so
Omni is about 1 hour to grow
A little more
It can be oneshot by a lot of things, which would be inexcusable in most games for such a big time investment, but this is The Isle so it's ok
But when you go up to things like teno, carno, or any mid tier and bigger that times easily goes over 3 hours
And at that point nothing should be instant death

[full pewter]

That’s literally what they’re making trex, a one shot machine

If it grabs a Maia, it’s not letting go

And the Maia is sure not gonna do anything about it

[tight iron]

raptor is very close to 2 hours

1h 42m exactly

[full pewter]

But Maia is crazy fast, so you can survive well enough

[urban flax]

We don't need more than one of those
Actually if rex is one, we already have 2
Which is too much

[tight iron]

however you dont take 0 seconds to get your diet so make it 1h 45m on average

[urban flax]

Deino can oneshot anything up to 4 tons, which is horribly unfair
Nothing should reach that point, even less go beyond that

[limber hull]

at this point, if your concept for a carnivore doesn't involve it literally punting stego into a curb, it's not accurate. the only reason people don't pick up on the utter disrespect stego gets every time it gets concept art or a new balance change is because they hate the thing lol

it is absolutely insane how dumpstered stego gets in every availible situation to dumpster a stego

[full pewter]

If we take away Acro, then the only sub apex carnivore is Sucho, which is semiaquatic and probably won’t have to hunt players that often. Acro also having great NV helps it stand out more, I also doubt Rex can do much against sauropods, which Giga and Acro will do better

[limber hull]

people whine constantly about the para v allo fight and "why woud a para try to brawl a carnivore of that size" but stego, who is around the same size as a para and with more weaponry, loses to alberto, who is around the same size of allo, in the alberto's concept art

tbf, both matchups being favoured to either carnivore is absurd, but i'd rather we focus on how both is bad, rather than excusing alberto because stego is dying instead of para

[urban flax]

Alberto

[full pewter]

My idea for Stego is that if it’s in its defensive pose where it raises its tail, it’s harder to stun or knock over, which helps it counter against acros ram or Rexes headbutt

[limber hull]

"sub apex"

sub rex, sub giga and sub spino are sub apexes

[full pewter]

I consider that lower

[urban flax]

tiers are bad anyway

[limber hull]

its around the same size as allo but frankly who actually cares

[full pewter]

The size gap between it and the next largest carnivore minus Sucho, being deino, is too big

[limber hull]

as long as tiers continue to make "pseudo apex" or "sub apex" terms used consistently i will be angry

[full pewter]

Fair fair but still

[full pewter]

I call it “upper mid”

[limber hull]

i call it large

[urban flax]

That's a stupid tier

[limber hull]

because it's large

[full pewter]

I would hardly say there’s a well defined mid tier

[limber hull]

here's my tier

tiny
small
bastard tier
mid
large
apex

very simple

bastard tier is for the inbetween of small and mid that i refuse to call pseudo mid

so like, cera and magy and teno and whatnot. Things within 1-2 tons

[full pewter]

Same thing but different names
Ultra small
Small
Lower mid
True mid
Upper mid
Apex
Sauropods if I want

You’re names are funner

[limber hull]

see you need one word

you have too many words

[full pewter]

The tier most vulnerable to power creep imo

[limber hull]

and too many mids. Too confusing

i have ONE solid mid

[full pewter]

You’re a simple man

[tight iron]

stupidly small
small
kinda small
medium
big
very big

[limber hull]

and ONE bastard tier

i've actually decided, i am only referring to it as the bastard tier from now on

[tight iron]

tier wars

[limber hull]

no

[limber hull]

too many smalls womp womp

[tight iron]

hmm true

[limber hull]

too many bigs also

i have streamlined mine for the modern man

[tight iron]

well we gotta show the difference between a carno and a rex

[full pewter]

I like rugops

Rugops is love

[tight iron]

small
medium
big
stupidly big

[limber hull]

in this fast-paced modern society we haven't time to consider what big is big and what big is very big, or what small is kinda small and what small is stupidly small

[tight iron]

yknow what frick it im gonna make the best tiers ever trust

[limber hull]

we need SIMPLE tiers that encompass the wide variety in people

[tight iron]

the tiers are:

dinosaur

[limber hull]

faiure

[tight iron]

best tier ever trust

[limber hull]

we have several non-dinosaur members of the roster

you have failed to account for them

[tight iron]

oh for the love of everything that is holy

[limber hull]

fool that you are

[tight iron]

fixing that rn

dinosaur
not a dinosaur

[limber hull]

better

[tight iron]

yknow what watch this

living creature

includes even ai!!!!!!1

troodon tier

troodon
anything not a troodon

[limber hull]

my favourite tier is the top one

[tight iron]

sounds about right

living creature
rock

nothing can compete against that amazing tier list

actually yknow what even better:

something

as long as it exists, it's included

[lapis swallow]

So hypsis and dryos get their own tier?

[full pewter]

@hollow heron if you wanna count Stego and deino, then they’re already in, but otherwise Trex and Trike are coming soon, I’d expect this summer at the earliest

[sonic island]

@broken fulcrum regarding your post #general-feedback message

Did you delete your config folder like they said in #announcements message ?

That fixed it for me

[wooden agate]

super small
small small
small
small medium
medium medium
big medium
big big
small apex
medium apex
large apex
quetzal

@limber hull

[tight iron]

#general-feedback message well...

hypsi is already a troll dino so...

[native vortex]

I will never understand how ppl can disagree with this #general-feedback message

[wooden agate]

because meta gaming

ideally you eventually get an idea of how hurt you are based on screens/how badly your dinosaur looks

however those both have to be improved and refined

[wary flower]

#isle-discussion message

There you go

[wooden agate]

real and based

classic wavepool

[native vortex]

He got mostly L takes but whatever

[wooden agate]

his takes come from someone with a degree in game design

[native vortex]

Yea but that isn’t game balance lol

[native vortex]

Then why is he on disc all day? Don’t he got some typa work

[wooden agate]

hes not lol

also it doesnt take much to open a tab and skim through whats been said in a channel

[native vortex]

I see him texting all day, 99% of the chats are from him just check the search like damn😭

[lapis swallow]

yes, game design is also balance

[wooden agate]

his last message was 6 hours ago

[wooden agate]

also this lol

[native vortex]

He is still one of the most active members of a server containing workless 14 yr olds which is wild

[wooden agate]

i didnt know having a degree meant you cant be in communities of games you enjoy

[native vortex]

Yea but it’s a lil too much and he spends his time mostly on disc ig, why are we even arguing this random topic

The point is that we should see our healths

If you don’t like it then don’t look at it

[wooden agate]

not an exact % tho lol, meta gaming is objectively bad

[lapis swallow]

Its a core feature of the game

[native vortex]

Objectively? Lmaooo and the colour red is objectively the best

[lapis swallow]

the isle is not the type of game where you need a healthbar, its not a competitive game where all the numbers plop up on your screen

[native vortex]

So? In real life you could tell if you’re hurt or not

It dosent have to be a fps competition type game

[lapis swallow]

do you have a percentage of your health irl?

[native vortex]

I can tell if I can take another hit or not which we can’t do in the game

[lapis swallow]

how do you know that?

[wooden agate]

because the current system sucks lol

it needs more tuning to properly reflect your hp without straight up telling you the exact %

[native vortex]

You don’t? Alr man

[lapis swallow]

I thought as in how you do know that you can take another hit? do you look at your health bar or do you use your feeling

[native vortex]

Fym, obv I get a feeling since it’s irl

[wooden agate]

and theres ways to replicate that in game without the need of a %

[native vortex]

Man’s confusing reality and a video game

[wooden agate]

legacy was pretty good at displaying it, despite its faults

[native vortex]

Ye do that and I won’t complain? The system rn sucks

[lapis swallow]

and thats what you are supposed to do in isle too. Can I take this hit? Do I survive it or is not worth it? its simulating that to a extent

[lapis swallow]

but replacing it with a worse system imo makes it better?

[native vortex]

It’s different since when ur on red, u can still take a couple of hits

[lapis swallow]

that depends

[native vortex]

When fighting equal dinos

[lapis swallow]

how low were you before you got into red, which creature are you

[native vortex]

I’m a troodon

And I was fighting this sub adult cera

@lapis swallow u still here?

[lapis swallow]

yes#

you need to elaborate further

I dont know what you want to tell me with that

[native vortex]

So I was a troodon and was fighting this sub adult cera when I got to red, how was I supposed to know if I could take a couple of more hits

So they should add the %

[native vortex]

U asked me the question and I answered

[lapis swallow]

you roughly know how much damage it does, because of past experiences or judging on the hits you have recieved from it prior. Then you know if it is worth it to go in

[jovial hazel]

So you are trying to say that irl you could be below 25% "hp" and you would know that you could take 3 more hits before you died? That's your argument?

[lapis swallow]

If you are red as a troodon and you are fighting a sub cera, just book it

[wooden agate]

believe it or not, we do not function on %'s and "well i have x amount of health and they do y amount of damage so i can survive z amount of hits"

thats just not how it works, and theres a more immersive way to do that.

[native vortex]

I was satire

[lapis swallow]

ok

give me a argument that isnt satire then

that doesnt involve meta gaming

[wooden agate]

honestly id be fine if they just slap legacy health display onto evrima with more polishing, it was genuinely pretty nice

[native vortex]

Not really my main argument, he said it wasn’t realistic and I countered with that and yes you can tell if u can take a couple of more hits (not too exaggerating)

[native vortex]

Ye but why shouldn’t the game have a health bar?

[lapis swallow]

meta gaming

[native vortex]

Elaborate further

[lapis swallow]

exactly knowing how many hits you can take from which creature using their various attacks on every body part and judging your Strategy off of that instead of using your gut feeling

[native vortex]

Using that logic, biteforce and health shouldn’t be known since ppl can use strategy and calculations to know where their health is at?

Adding a health bar will just make it easier

[barren crater]

Not wrong tbf :)

[lapis swallow]

you cant really do those calcs on the fly, or its atleast much more difficult

[barren crater]

Carno damage (& health) when under 50% health

175n - 50% health
166n 45% health
153n (87% of the total damage)- 40% health
142n 35% health
132n (75% of the total damage) - 30% health
122n 25% health
109n (62% of the total damage) - 20% health
99n 15% health
87.5n (50% of the total damage) 10% health
87.5n 5% health

[native vortex]

It isn’t that difficult, it takes like 1 min to memorise it

[native vortex]

As a herrera main ik exactly how many hits I can survive from most creatures

Head and body shots

[lapis swallow]

but sometimes you dont where you have been hit because the situation is quite chaotic. not having a health bar adds a bit more guessing to it

[native vortex]

You can if you have eyes and checking the health bar too see the colour helps you to tell if you took an body or head or tail shot

[barren crater]

I think it's a bit unfair tbh. It's like only a few people know about how to find out their hp. Makes more sense for everyone to know yk?

[native vortex]

Yh

[lapis swallow]

oh, with the admin panel

[tight iron]

imma be completely honest

the heart may not be the best thing to have

however calculating it based on bite force is literally the same thing

but only some people know how to do it so it's just nonsense imo

slap the heart back and figure out another system

[lapis swallow]

having a more accurate blood screen is what I would prefer over a outright healtbar

[tight iron]

i know exactly how many hits i can take based on my bite force as a raptor

so i can still metagame

i can also tell how much food and water i have left, and that isn't even as essential as health

[barren crater]

10% and less hp is quite literally half your damage

[tight iron]

so if we want to remove metagaming as a whole, remove all indicators

and when you hover over your stamina/hunger/water bar, make it so you can't see how much you have left

that would completely eradicate metagaming

however imo that's a terrible idea

so i'd rather have all the indicators (health, food, water, etc) than all but one

i mean the sole thing of "let's eradicate metagaming, bonk the heart" is somewhat nonsensical

if you genuinely want metagaming gone, i'd expect you to want all the indicators gone

[native vortex]

Yup

[tight iron]

otherwise you still leave room for metagaming

however most of you will agree that it's absolutely dumb to remove all the indicators

we still have the heart anyways, but in a different way

bite force n blood

[supple granite]

My buddy has this underwater glitch where his nightvison does not outline anything under water. hes tried redownloading the game and other things but nothing seems to help. ive had it happen to me before a long time ago but it somehow fixed.

[tight iron]

understandable

[split saddle]

yeah i havent gone into specifics to figure out health via bite force. but i know people are going to do it. i ready guauge about half bite force as basically 1 shot to anything

[latent olive]

@dry condor yeah the grass missing thing is intended for small creatures

[dry condor]

I have adult pachy

[latent olive]

troodon juveniles for example

[latent olive]

maybe take a screenshot and report it in bug reports then

[dry condor]

it looked like that grass on the border of your load, but everywhere.
Ye i was did that

[dry condor]

Look

[latent olive]

oh yeah thats quite funky

[full pewter]

@split saddle I doubt global chat will come to officials, just an option for unofficials

[split saddle]

thats what someone has already told me! which is good news! i see no reason why unofficials cant make that choice themselves

[dry falcon]

i just found a bug

the menu reel is frozen

[midnight heath]

It's not new

[dry falcon]

first time i've gotten it

[dry falcon]

@fierce dock the option is there in hordtest

[radiant comet]

bro 2 fps on horde testing what happen any more?

[wooden agate]

um yes it can

i thought this was #isle-discussion oops

[radiant nest]

Turn off foliage physics and relog

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message @thick panther the purpose of the hordetesting is to get things into a playable state to push out into the live branch. they'd prefer to push them out at once to a) reduce any unforseen issues and b) avoid you having to patch the game daily/weekly

[barren zephyr]

Larger herbivores like Stego and Trike should consume MORE food than they do now. A single migration zone should only be able to support at most 2 of these larger herbivores as they should consume most food making zones move often

Why? Because it makes smaller herbivores want to get to the zones first before large herbivores come in. Consuming everything. This even puts them at competition with each other at younger stages. Some Galis might attempt to kill off a juvie stego before it gets too big because they don’t want it growing to consume all their food

I agree with this idea, however I think 2 is far too few. Stego's group limit right now is 5. I think the zone should support at least one full herd for a short amount of time, otherwise herds of larger herbivores would never have enough food for themselves.

This would also encourage territoriality among larger herbivores

[cyan flame]

Better option, limit stego to only 2, and make them balanced for that. No reason they should come in more than pairs, it's a rather bad animal for herding in the first place. Aside from that, I agree, deino is currently apparently quite painful to grow and sustain, just make stego as "bad" and we'll see.

[lapis swallow]

i mean, with it getting buffed to fight rex. I could see this become a thing

I also think that herbivore apexes should be a bit easier to grow than apex carnis

[wooden agate]

instead of making them easier, i think it'd be more interesting for them to face their own challenges

[cyan flame]

Agreed, herbis in general should be easier than their carni counterpart, but easier should still mean close to deino (if we use it as counterpart). And I don't know about those buffs, stego is apparently still meant to run from rex, not fight it, so we'll see.

[lapis swallow]

being a little ball that every carnivore player is hardwired to slaughter once they catch a wiff of your presence is a pretty tough challenge

[cyan flame]

Fair, but overall I do think carni should be the "hard mode" compared to herbi "easy mode".

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/guh-cat-stoned-stoned-cat-gif-25615600

How should this fatty run from a rex?

[lapis swallow]

especially considering you wont be able to sustain a apex players if apex herbis are as rare as itself

[wooden agate]

imo carni apexes should have more pvp challenges, and herbi apexes should have more pve challenges while growing

what would they be? i dunno LOL

[lapis swallow]

I mean, herbis are easier to grow by default. you just go to the MZ and get perfect diet

[wooden agate]

exactly, giving the apex herbis more of a challenge directly correlated to the enviorment could be pretty interesting and flip the dynamic that herbivores have atm

[lapis swallow]

I dont know how hard stego is to grow, but considering I dont see that many of them, I think it is fine. I guess

Erik, arent you a stego player?

[cyan flame]

Speed it up a little, make rex very slow

[cyan flame]

That could be interesting

[lapis swallow]

Make them fight at this point, making stego faster than rex is just silly

[cyan flame]

I am, though I've not been playing much lately, a little burnt out as it were

But last I checked, stego isn't really hard to grow, unless you get caught while growing, and depending on what catches you. But that kind of goes for most playables

[winter void]

biggest problem on growing stegos is being bored tto the bones 😄
as soon as you got some % you are pretty good to go and most wont really fight/harm you (imo) .Even a fresh spawn stego makes insane dmg on that stage leading to people respawn as one to finish someone off.. (really annoying) 😄
btw a slow rex is propably what it really was like most in sience are pretty sure that thing cant run well (still makes big steps tho) 😄

[tight iron]

@fallen path they actually do

[fallen path]

im trying it rn but it doesnt make a difference

[tight iron]

wut

it always makes it faster for me

[desert arch]

It used to be a thing, but it hasnt been working recently🤷‍♂️

[tight iron]

oh well

[urban flax]

What's with the ptera grabbing and dropping things again -_-

I thought that suggestion was dead and buried

[tight iron]

#general-feedback message i cant lie i would trade less stamina pool for no thresholds and faster regen

you cant frickin properly fight with thresholds

[winter void]

i know it sound wierd for many but i actually like how stam is and i loved it on gateway stresstest where you had to z walk for regen and walk 😄

made stam the important resource it is 😄

[winter void]

well still like the idea of being able to catch and drop tiny babys like lets say 30-40% of its own weight that would be more or lest hatchlings (from nests) and some fresh spawn troodons.. and if you are able to see and catch em i would be fine to die to that 😄

and i think like 30% of a full grown is kinda ok since that more or less the weight of some good fish ig 😄

[urban flax]

I mean
Why catch them if you can just kill them with one peck

Ptera has insane damage for its size, although it's not even a hunter

[winter void]

well thats true.
still i would like the idea to catch fish and stuff till lets say 15ish Kg and fly around with it on ya feet. would be more of a nice gimmic than actual useful and should burn tons of stam .. but would be a sweet thing, so i get why a lot ask for that 😄

since ptrea aint the big changer on the ecosystem anyways im fine with them havein fun 😄

[urban flax]

Ptera's feet cannot carry anything

Noodle feet

It would look even more stupid than stego's gallop animation

[winter void]

good point actually

may someday we get a bigger fly that can do stuff like that would be a fun thing for sure

[urban flax]

Seems quetz will be able to do that

[tight iron]

dont think it can 1 tap em

pretty sure it is 2-3 or smth

and because of teh way the map is made, it's awfully difficult to do that

[urban flax]

Depends on their size...

Ptera's base attack is 15 dmg, so it oneshots hypsi on the head
And it's Alt deals more damage

[tight iron]

well fresh spawn yes but

you're not gonna walk up to someone and kill him

[urban flax]

Ptera is not a hunter

[winter void]

yep same problem i have on my beloved cera 😄

you can ez fight carnis but every herbi will get you into trouble 😄

[winter void]

well would be really nice since we dont have anything being a real hunter from the skies .. except a jumping herrera lol 😄

[tight iron]

it is

[winter void]

a fishhunter maybe

[tight iron]

let me see if i can pull up its diet list

[winter void]

thats more a scavange thing like ceras have

[urban flax]

diets are stupid

[winter void]

or some other dinos

[tight iron]

i agree and disagree at the same time

[urban flax]

None of them make sense

[tight iron]

nah it's a full on hunter

let's see if the game lets me see the preferred food smh

[winter void]

the ptera ? 😄
well as said its a "Fishhunter" maybe 😄

[winter void]

the prefered food doesnt mean thats what you should actively hunt 😄

[tight iron]

it really does

[urban flax]

iirc omniraptor still has deino on its diet

[tight iron]

yeah lmao

[urban flax]

So no

[tight iron]

raptor is one of the best deino hunters there is imo

[urban flax]

Diets are absolutely NOT indictaive of what you should hunt

[winter void]

its kinda the worse 😄

[tight iron]

ofc small ones

im not saying it tells you what you must hunt

[winter void]

since crocs wont bleed much 😄

[tight iron]

it tells you what you should definetely go for while hunting

since some stuff just doesnt give you anything

compared to other things that give you diet, and thus buffs

[winter void]

it says what give you your nutriens NOT whats on hunt list 😄

[urban flax]

Not even
As I said, diets make no sense (be it carnivore diets or herbivore diets btw)

[tight iron]

they might not make sense but they're still here so we can't ignore em

[tight iron]

honestly, same thing

why would you hunt something that doesn't give you anything

[winter void]

nah herbies make perfect sense i always wanted to see a dino eat a coconut bigger than itself! 😄

[tight iron]

im not gonna kill a ptera as a raptor cause it gives me nothing

[urban flax]

It's not a reason to extrapolate on their reason to be here and base gameplay changes on them
Especially considering they change with every update

[tight iron]

or a hypsi

[urban flax]

I mean the fact they change every hour
Depending on time of the time, your dino suddendly becomes unable to digest said coconuts

[winter void]

its more of a "if you find a baby to eat" or a "if its dead already" thing

[tight iron]

if you really care about the buffs, then pretty much no

[urban flax]

That's why carnivore diets are bad, and the reason organs are here

[tight iron]

as i said, i wouldn't kill a ptera or a goat as a raptor, they give me nothing

[winter void]

ah ye noticed that and got scammed by eating it and it switched like 1 sec before XD
edit : due to growth ig

[tight iron]

however a teno is definetely on my kill list

[tight iron]

i kinda agree with you

however preferred food is prety much kill list

whatever you find there, thou shalt kill

[winter void]

well a teno is killable as rapppi