general-feedback-discussion

[tight iron]

nah

[native vortex]

Y

[tight iron]

dont tell me what to do

i do whatever i want

[native vortex]

Nuh uh

[tight iron]

wdym nuh uh

[native vortex]

No

lol

[tight iron]

alr again with the baiting, goodbye

[native vortex]

Bye

[sterile shale]

Because Herrera is pretty unhuntable similar in the way ptera is, but ptera unlike herrera does little to no damage

Herreras rarely are just on the ground to be killed, and they aren't easy to kill once they run away

I think if omni could pounce onto a tree and climb up it a little to try and catch a herrera that would be cool

[native vortex]

Herrera’s are extremely squishy and die relatively easy lol if caught on ground

[sterile shale]

yeah but they don't die in one bite squishy

they can easily run up a tree and just escape

[native vortex]

Raptors can also escape by jumping on rocks, let’s make carno able to jump👍

[sterile shale]

do you try and rage bait or like?

genuine question

[native vortex]

You can pounce them to one tap lol and Dilos can spam clones on them, the only one who really struggles to kill them are ceras

[native vortex]

Right now? Nah but sometimes

[native vortex]

They are often on ground to eat or drink since they get hungry/thirsty often, also just bait their jumps and then kill them

[sterile shale]

its like every 20 minutes

plus if that's the only time you can attack them that still makes them objectively less huntale compared to other mid tiers which are always on the ground

and herrera is fast too, it's like 45km/h

[native vortex]

Literally every carni except for cera can kill then easily lol, as what Dino do u fail to kill them as?

[sterile shale]

they just run up a tree before you can get them

is the point

I would know, because I do it all the time

[barren zephyr]

Yk even I’ve never defended dilo this hard

[native vortex]

But what dino are u playing as?

[native vortex]

Well I have solid points Lmaooo

[native vortex]

Bait their jumps and kill them

It’s that easssyyy

[sterile shale]

that's just assuming they do that

[native vortex]

And you are not assuming they all run up trees?

[sterile shale]

not every herrera is dumb enough to jump at a player clearly waiting for them

[native vortex]

They usually jump lol

[sterile shale]

do you see many herreras walking around on the ground

[native vortex]

There could be

[sterile shale]

its not the end of the world if a herrera is easier to kill if an omni can partly chase it up a tree

instead of waiting around for it to climb down

[native vortex]

All u have to do as an omni is press one button and then one shot them lol? It’s that easy

[barren zephyr]

Anyways I’m also upvoting the omni climbing small trees gives Herrera more threat

[native vortex]

Raptors aren’t that easy to hunt tho, they can easily outturn, Dilos and carnos + they can jump

[native vortex]

Do what u want lol, even if your wrong

[barren zephyr]

I don’t believe i am wrong

[sterile shale]

they're slower than both carnos and dilos lol

[native vortex]

Are you joking rn

[sterile shale]

no

look it up lol

[native vortex]

I’m done with this convo what the flip

[native vortex]

The keyword is OUTTRUUURN JUST LOOK DAMN

Out turn

[barren zephyr]

Omnis planned to eventually climb, it’s been it’s concept art so

[sterile shale]

just looks like you mispelled outrun lol

[native vortex]

Aight then but u get my point, they aren’t huntable aswell

[sterile shale]

well the dilo can spam clones like you said can't it

[native vortex]

Elaborate? Giving omnis a tree climb would only decrease the Herrera player base

[sterile shale]

omg the herrera can just... climb higher 🤯

[barren zephyr]

That’s great? and they are only climbing small trees.

[native vortex]

It has to hit the raptor Atleast 3x and it can still escape easily

[native vortex]

Shouldn’t Dilos be able to jump to get raptors on rocks then? Lol

Same logic

[sterile shale]

the suggestion isn't saying it can scale a tree like a Herrera it' saying it can chase it up a tree slightly, which is fine

[barren zephyr]

Dilo doesn’t have jumping in it’s concept art last I remembered

[sterile shale]

you just keep making absurd comparisons

dilos being able to jump isn't the same as omni being able to slightly climb

[native vortex]

Concept dosent mean anything as the name suggests, every dino is different from their art

[native vortex]

How many meters should it climb?

[barren zephyr]

Give me one example of a playable niche changing from its concept art

[wary flower]

Everytime I see you here you are arguing with someone 💀

[native vortex]

Herrera can’t rip chunks of flesh off dinos

[sterile shale]

honestly this guy is 100% rage bait, he just says random bs and refuses to listen to anyone and just makes stuff up lol

[native vortex]

It’s hard educating ppl Fr

[barren zephyr]

That’s a mechanic missing not a niche change bro 💀

[sterile shale]

not wasting my time haha, he can be wrong about whatever I aint wasting my time on some bozo

[native vortex]

Howww, your literally ignoring my arguments lol

[wary flower]

You should educate yourself first maybe

[sterile shale]

no you just keep changing the topic

[native vortex]

I literally debunked u, honestly scram lol, u can’t win an argument without your daddy

[barren zephyr]

This guy reminds me of those carno mains but instead of defending carno it’s Herrera

[native vortex]

When did I do that? I only did comparisons

[sterile shale]

you make absurd comparisons and then start talking off topic lol

[barren zephyr]

Comparisons being non logical

[sterile shale]

"carno should be able to jump.. dilo should be able to jump" not even talking about herrera in that context, as if a dino being able to jump on a rock after omni eliminating its chances of escaping is any way comparable to an omni being able to climb a small distance up a tree to try and catch a fleeing herrera

[native vortex]

It is since both unhuntable dinos should get hunted

[sterile shale]

That's the whole point of the suggestion?

[native vortex]

It is the same since that Herrera would most likely get one tapped if the omni came after

[sterile shale]

but it still gives the herrera the change to escape if it is quick enough

if a carno can just jump up a rock after an omni then where is the omni supposed to go

your comparisons are so bogus that no one can take you seriously lol

[native vortex]

How is the omni/Herrera case any different? Omnis coming after Herrera on trees is the same as Dilos coming after omnis on rocks

[sterile shale]

I just said lol

read

[native vortex]

If a omni comes after the Herrera on the tree, the Herrera would most likely be dead (cuz it had already sustained damadge after omnis attack)

On ground

[sterile shale]

ok and what if it didn't get attacked on the ground?

[native vortex]

It would 9/10 and if it didn’t it’s a failed hunt things like that happen

[sterile shale]

and why is that a bad thing, people should be punished for being unaware of predators, especially if herrera is on the ground? You're pretty much saying it should be able to escape and be unhuntable if it's a bad thing an omni can kill it by climbing

[native vortex]

Also if a dilo comes on the rock the omni can always escape on ground by zig zagging

[native vortex]

Bc omnis can already kill unaware Herrera’s with ease lmao? Just pin it down and it gets one tapped

[barren zephyr]

Yeah good luck

[sterile shale]

literally going in circles lol

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-talking-gif-10919304

[native vortex]

Then why haven’t u debunked it?

[sterile shale]

I mean good luck landing a pin when the herra is running around a jungle lol

[native vortex]

If you wanna debate wait for ur turn lol, no need to 2v1

[sterile shale]

if it's in a field then yeah but like when there's a bunch of trees around its not like a herrera is gonna let you pin it

[barren zephyr]

Nah this is just taught to me to never put my bias first in a debate

[native vortex]

But where talking abt if it’s unaware? That’s just ridiculous lmao come up with better arguments

[native vortex]

Yea sure buddy

[barren zephyr]

Fun fact “buddy” is passive aggressive term people use when they are mad

[native vortex]

@barren zephyr this ur friend?

[native vortex]

Prove it

[sterile shale]

does pin do enough damage to one shot a herrera?

[native vortex]

It does enough to one shot other raptors and gallis😭😭 it’s strong

So unaware Herrera’s are punished

[sterile shale]

well even if it can one shot with pin I don't see why it doesn't mean it should be able to climb a tree

just because it can pin doesn't mean climbing is a bad idea

[native vortex]

But can you prove that I used it for that purpose?

[sterile shale]

plus what if you're already chasing a herrera

[native vortex]

Bc that would be overkill and aware Herrera’s should get rewarded for their escape

[barren zephyr]

You clearly are because you like to secretly insult peoples arguments

[native vortex]

The pounce hitbox is lowkey broken, so you would still kill them

[sterile shale]

I doubt that is overkill

[native vortex]

Don’t insult me first then, if you wanna discuss respectfully just tell me

[barren zephyr]

I’m talking about zippers, they never insulted you but you went after them

[sterile shale]

it's pretty much just a last ditch effort in pursuing a herrera

[native vortex]

It literally is, even if the Herrera is close to a tree u can still pounce them

[sterile shale]

its punishing them for being caught of gaurd while on the ground

[sterile shale]

Well I doubt that's intentional

seems like something that would be fixed yk

[native vortex]

Yea so aware herreras should escape using trees and raptors can’t get after them but if a herrera is unaware it gets pinned

[sterile shale]

plus if omni's ability to hunt rely's on lag how does that not seem like an issue

I mean it also seems dumb that the only time you can kill a herrera is when it's off guard

hence why it's unhuntabl

other playables don't get that luxury, they can be attacked with or without knowing and can die all the same

[native vortex]

Its still huntable lol, look at the vid?

[sterile shale]

well why tf is a herra running around in the middle of an open area

[native vortex]

He is close to a tree? Also if a herrera is caught on ground a tree wont be one cm away from it

[sterile shale]

depends where you are

[native vortex]

Did you know that omnis can knock herrera’s out of trees? And they jump pretty high sooooo

[sterile shale]

mate

that's like the whole point of the suggestion

to make that a fleshed out feature

[native vortex]

Fair enough ngl

[sterile shale]

plus that's basically saying that it can only be killed when it's unaware, whereas every other playable can be killed at any point

a omni or whatever can be punished for being afk in a bush and then getting attacked by a cera, but a herrera afking in a tree can only really be attacked by other herreras and a ptera, hence why it's so unhuntable

[native vortex]

No i didn’t, i literally just said that it could be killed whole its aware, not only can omnis knock herrera’s out of trees they can pounce them by abusing the hitbox

[sterile shale]

well depends how high the tree is? not many herreras sit low enough on a tree like that

[native vortex]

The moment they start climbing on those palms trees, omnis can knock them out and one tap em

[sterile shale]

well that's the point of the suggestion

make that a legit thing not reliant on buggy and janky hitboxes

because if Omni's greatest ability is to abuse hitboxes then how long do you think that is gonna last lol

[native vortex]

Well when they fix it we can talk again but for now he dosent need to climb that high

[sterile shale]

ok well still seems like a good suggestion

[native vortex]

Herrera wouldn’t be so unique if omnis could climb, they could make it more like a wall run but a climb is ehh.

[sterile shale]

its not a full climb though, it's sorta like an extra jump to give it a bit more height

prob not an absurd amount though

[dry falcon]

but never is

[lapis swallow]

@gaunt snow they were probably able to hear you and the water is able to be seen through above a certain water depth

[gaunt snow]

I thought too also but I was really deep, then i tried by myself, a friend was as deino, went to the same spot and i went there with a cera, i couldn't see him at all ....

[lapis swallow]

then it was probably because of hearing

[brave trout]

Do we know when Hordetesting ends ?

[raw hedge]

Nope,
I’m overall pretty happy with it tho.
Odd bugs here and there and the server lag is an issue again, but that’s just because I think they tried to revert the ai spawns etc

[limber hull]

when they do all the testing they need

[brave trout]

Ok, I was hesitating in making a Stego cause I didn,t wanna grow a Stego and pour all these hours only to lose it so soon

[raw hedge]

The whole point is to test the mechanics. Play every Dino lol

[brave trout]

Did you test Stego ?

[tight iron]

how did you die tho

you can submerge and can regen stamina down there

[lapis swallow]

@fathom moth you could lock people ingame with just spamming juvies or whatever

[fathom moth]

that would be very hard to do reliably

[lapis swallow]

so if you bleed, you cant log out? even when already safelogging?

[fathom moth]

you could also just make it so juvies cant cause bleed

not like they use it to kill anything

[lapis swallow]

so making a change that murks tracking for juvies to prevent a small issue?

[fathom moth]

its not a small issue

[tight iron]

it is a small issue

[lapis swallow]

never happened to me

[fathom moth]

also i dont think spamming juvies is a good arguement against what im saying

[lapis swallow]

i dont see a good argument for it when it also destroys juvie tracking

[tight iron]

not to me either cause i find em before they can safelog

[fathom moth]

back to its a skill issue, is your feedback ever not toxic?

like instead of being like thats dumb

why dont offer a suggestion to prevent people from combat logging

[tight iron]

never said it's a skill issue tho

im just talking to him about my experience with combat logging 🤷‍♂️

also it intrigues me, when exactly have i been toxic

not as a denial but as a genuine question

[tight iron]

honestly no idea about this, i'd have to think for a good while about possible ways to prevent it, right now the way to prevent it is the 60 seconds timer i guess...

[lapis swallow]

if they get far enough away to safelog in a timespan of 60 seconds without being on a rock, they were gonna get away anyway

[fathom moth]

except tracks last for 5 minutes etc

and thats totally not true

[tight iron]

hm?

[lapis swallow]

but you aint catching up to them

if something can get this massive of a distance, they will keep or expand that distance

[fathom moth]

also not true, your making assumptions

players usually run to the first place they feel safe and rest, to stop bleeding

if they invest enough time in a dino, they will combat log for 5-10 minutes

[lapis swallow]

when are you gonna give your opponent that much time to combat log if you are actively chasing them?

[tight iron]

guess i never was

[fathom moth]

do you have kids?

[tight iron]

why do you ask

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

[radiant nest]

Islecord try to come up with a good comeback challenge: impossible

[lapis swallow]

this is islecord, nobody here will have a stable relationship in their life

[tight iron]

real

[fathom moth]

long story short im actually training my kids to when someone beats something or has trouble with something, not to be like, i dont have that problem, or i already beat that guy

since the actual statement actually doesnt really do anything except be dismissive of that persons achievement or problem

[tight iron]

i see your point and i must say that's a great advice for your kids 🫡

however i did ask you to show me the times where you believe i was straight up being a (automod please no) and you completely ignored it

[fathom moth]

now my point is, they do it, because i do it, but i didnt realize the negative parts of those statements until i saw them doing it

[tight iron]

so i think it's reasonable to believe that it's just an insult thrown there cause why not

i never dismissed it at first till i saw that you just weren't gonna answer

[fathom moth]

i assumed you were toxic because i see your name often pop up on isle youtube videos with kouga, txc aloraptor and nickbaoy, which are hit or miss with their elitism or toxic behavior and i assume that like attracts like

but i havent actually seen you be toxic, so that was me being frustrated and i shouldnt have been

[tight iron]

ohh i see i see

no dw man im not a piece of (automod i beg you)

wait hold on kouga? ive practically never interacted with him

[fathom moth]

maybe not kouga

[radiant nest]

I don’t think kouga is known for being toxic

[fathom moth]

they all pop up in my feed now lol

[tight iron]

oh well lmao

i mean i gotta be honest i haven't seen alco or nick be genuinely toxic

ive just seen em get mad at something

like let's be real toxic is just that kind of person who is there not to hvae fun not to do anything cool but instead ruin everyone's day and whose sole purpose is to be a piece of hi automod

and after interacting with both alco and nick, they're both very cool people

[fathom moth]

well i consider that griefing

[tight iron]

or at least that's what i have seen so far

[fathom moth]

when i consider someone toxic, its more like whether they know it or not, they cause discord

so i can be toxic at times

[tight iron]

i understand

[fathom moth]

so griefers are toxic

[tight iron]

i would just call that person a trouble maker

[fathom moth]

i think of it like if you put something toxic somewhere, it seeps into things around it

hence why its toxic

[tight iron]

oh yea definetely

makes a lotta sense to me

[fathom moth]

have you guys noticed the lack of bone breaking from falls in hordetest?

i think ive broken bones one time falling off a waterfall as a juvie deino

[lapis swallow]

they reduced fall damage

[fathom moth]

but ive fallen off some high stuff, where im like oh god im gonna die, and dont take anything

[lapis swallow]

which is nice

[tight iron]

yus

[fathom moth]

i mean i liked that fall damage....

not the bone breaking and near death

it should have been reduced by like 25-35%

but it seems like wayyyy more forgiving

guess no more luring people off cliffs are herr

[normal lotus]

What do yall think?
#general-feedback message

[fathom moth]

I dont mind ideas like these however they seem difficult for this dev team to program, and i would rather they focus their efforts elsewhere. I would rather them nail what they have then start on complex ideas like this. I understand there has to be a degree of new content to keep people interested though.

[normal lotus]

Oh of course, tho we do have dedicated ai devs iirc.

[fathom moth]

i would rather they get away from this player spawned ai model, so things felt like they had more life. Beaches are barren, etc. I feel like coastline is drastically under utilized because to get things to spawn, requires sitting for a long period of time

[radiant nest]

I think that fleeing could just be replaced by fleeing spino, as fleeing to deeper water seems more reasonable for an escape method all the time

[normal lotus]

True. But it works best for spino too

[fathom moth]

@native vortex The only tiny dino with long stam is ptera which is potentially changing

[native vortex]

Troodons,herreras and raptors should be a bit quicker imo (raptor not so much)

[tight iron]

^^

[full pewter]

@knotty frigate They have thought about this, but they don’t intend to add one until late into development since there are likely to be changes down the line that would require rewrites, if it were to be released now

[knotty frigate]

that's understandable. Hopefully they'll add it later then.

[barren zephyr]

Why do they need speed buffs?

[native vortex]

No stamin regain buff

The speed of which they regain it should be faster

Why does a 400 kg raptor take the time of a cera to regain stam lol

[raw hedge]

It’s next for me, I wanna do a pachy, then steg, then teno. Cera and troodon were the main ones I wanted to play this time, and the 3 big herbis are the last

And for the people that are using this general feedback, discussion to talk about whether someone’s toxic or not, lol. Text is really hard to gauge any kind of emotional response or tonality anyways. Glad to see that this last interaction turned into a name calling fest though.
I’ve called and been called toxic cause text can be hard to “read” intentions etc

[full pewter]

They’re all really dang fast as is

[fathom moth]

can someone leave a general feedback about the overpopulation of deer and how there is not enough boar, and that the central river area is literally a sea of dead deer from folks trying to get boar to spawn in their place on hordetest? I cant post another one for like 4 hours.

[icy lion]

You can use #ai-feedback for that if you're on CD in #general-feedback

[fathom moth]

ah i didnt realize there was a seperate channel. thanks!

[tight iron]

#general-feedback message as long as we can smell...

[past pilot]

on ptb iwazs on utah max health and then i logged back on today and upon spawning immediately broke my legs and went to orange hp

[icy lion]

@tawny comet You can use #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 to submit the coords of spots like that

[midnight heath]

I was genuinely really happy with this idea #general-feedback message

[undone reef]

Hi, new here. I was wondering if the Devs are working on giving us more daylight as it is always dark when its night or raining? The game is so beautiful when its nice weather during the day. Hoping more daytime playtime is coming.

[barren zephyr]

there is a QoL update coming very soon, fixing this issue, aswell with other things like new plants and lighting. and other bug fixes

[mystic parcel]

@barren zephyr about the body gaurding, herbivores cannot pick up bodies so carnivores will abuse this mechanic and drag bodies to herbivores who, lets say, found a good spot to defend themselves. theres also the issue when it comes to nesting, you have to kill ai the try to destroy the nest or just defending and killing a carnivore that is near your nest, youd end up having to make a completely new nest.

[barren zephyr]

the ptero AI dosent return after killing them, and i said that it would take a minute of the AI to hit the herbivores for them to actualy start getting hurt. so i dont really see an issue, and afterall. who leaves their nest un-attended

while the carnivores draging the body would also be vulnrable while dragging the body

and its also you and the other parents own job to hide the nest

[mystic parcel]

fights happen next to nests. as for the other scenario, if a herbivore finds a good spot to defend itself and kills one from the pack, the ai will soon fly up to attack it. fighst last longer then a minute, herbivores stay in their safe spots fro long periods of time, wether its next to a cliff or along rocks. either way it will be to the carnivores benefit. and you can easily carry certain ai without being vulnerable

and if you just kill the ptero making them fly away then its a completely useless mechanic. also if you ever nested, the compies run up to try to destroy the nest. doesnt matter how good you try to hide a nest

[barren zephyr]

damn, i admit, i didnt think of that

either way, ptero AI could do some tweaking to make this work (somehow)

[mystic parcel]

ik body gaurding is annoying, best thing to do is after killing a player and the herd tries to body gaurd is to walk away pretending to leave and hide, those players get bored of gaurding for a minute or so if theres no action to be seen.

[barren zephyr]

true

but that idea has some flaws

like an very open area

[mystic parcel]

ofc, everything has flaws

[undone reef]

I am very happy to hear this, thank you for your response.

[sterile shale]

@hollow hamlet #general-feedback message I think randomised spawns could work if they put you close to migration

like at least halfway, because if randomised spawns are supposed to counteract hot spots then no one is gonna wanna spawn in and be on the other side of the map from migration

but I think its a good idea

I just don't want to have to walk 20 minutes after spawning in because my random spawn screwed me over, so your idea seems good

[limber hull]

@marble aurora #general-feedback message

Snow doesn't fall in tropical regions

[sterile shale]

also no one is gonna play herbi if it's difficult to find food lmao

no one wants to be punished for exisiting

[marble aurora]

There's a chance in some places yes but it can definitely happen

[limber hull]

most of the foliage on the island would literally die in snow (not to mention animals like deinosuchus and megalania also just not being able to survive winter months)

[sterile shale]

#general-feedback message @fading shadow just eat the organs if you need the diet

[tropic matrix]

#general-feedback message @queen locust Playing cannibal is fun and all but its already hard enough to get a good size pack and kill things, making omni a canni would make that worse.
Also if I'm remembering correctly they were talking about adding a cannibal mutation later on that might allow same species to eat each other.

[queen locust]

oh thats nice

[crystal trail]

@radiant nest The blue clouds are a bug

[sterile shale]

that makes sense lol looks like the dinos took drugs

[sterile shale]

#general-feedback message @narrow nova the last thing this game needs is deinos to be able to get their grubby little hands on every water source in this game

they can already make it to east plains pond, I don't want to have to be paranoid 24/7 that a deino is just gonna land croc it's way over to other safe drinking spots

if deino needs to move it can move in the water

deino was added early enough as is it's practically unhuntable, even on land its not easy unless you got a bunch of stegs smacking it

[narrow nova]

So why we create deino in game？To make them kill each other in a limited space？

[sterile shale]

Deino was added way to early

that is undeniable,

[narrow nova]

totally agree

[sterile shale]

it is quite literally unhuntable once it gets in thew water, so it'd be dumb to make deinos be able to acess more water that should be relatively safe spots like ponds

[narrow nova]

But since they already exist, we should have a reasonable plan

[limber hull]

no

"since they already exist, make them stronger regardless"

[sterile shale]

there is no reasonable plan to killing a deino lmao

you mess up once and you're pretty much gone

[limber hull]

also the concept that land creatures would EVER have a chance to eat a deino is absurd to me. It's an 8 ton gator with bleed resist vs a roster of carnivores all lower than 2 tons

[narrow nova]

You must really hate deino,it ruined your game experience?

[limber hull]

not really no

[narrow nova]

Give them a reason to go ashore, so you have a chance to kill them.isn't that good？

[limber hull]

don't really hate deino, nor has it ruined my game experience

[limber hull]

you don't have a chance. It's an 8 ton behemoth with bleed resistance and the ability to retreat safey to water

[sterile shale]

But you can't kill it is hte issue

if you can get a 2 ton carno to solo a massive croc lemme know

even 5 carnos couldn't do much

[narrow nova]

Leave them on the land, they'll die of thirst themselves

[limber hull]

isn't the point of your rain buff to prevent that lol

because if that's your solution, that's already in the game

[narrow nova]

I don't think it's any harder than killing a stegos in the unkillable position

Rain will stop

[limber hull]

stegos don't have bleed res, they have 2k less health and bleed, a slower directional attack, a more vulnerable head hitbox, larger flanks that are easier to hit, are unable to directional attack when out of stam

[narrow nova]

Do you really want to discuss specific skill issues with me?

[sterile shale]

what purpose would making them be able to walk in the rain have if it's just to allow other people to kill it???

why would you bother leaving the water?

[limber hull]

im not talking skill. This is raw stats

[sterile shale]

you're saying it should promote deinos to be able to walk around to survive longer and then at the same time saying it makes them more vulnerable?

[narrow nova]

Because deino wanna give other player surprise？And avoiding deino carni

[sterile shale]

but why would they want to surprise players if you're saying it gives people the chance to kill deinos?

[narrow nova]

Because once deino migrate successfully, they'll be able to hunt in more water place

The important thing is to give them a choice between competing with other Deinos or dominating a separate place of water

[sterile shale]

but that just screws everyone else over

[limber hull]

so how does that make them more vulnerable to land creatures, because they very much don't seem to have that problem based on your description

some watersources should literally just be deino-free

let other aquatics like sucho, bary, etc have them

deino doesn't need to be in the tiny, shallow lake in the middle of nowhere

[narrow nova]

You just killed by deino don't you...

[sterile shale]

you just ride deino players don't you?

if you're gonna discuss make actual points bro

[limber hull]

I haven't been killed by a deino in months lol

[narrow nova]

Deino have no way to escape from any land creature

[limber hull]

IDK why that'd be relevant

[limber hull]

Why would it need to, it literally has 8000HP and effectively 16000 blood

On top of 500 bite damage

Also

It has water? lol

[narrow nova]

Stego have 1200 dmg

[limber hull]

It also has a slower attack speed and far more vulnerabilities

(almost like animals are more than damage numbers alone)

[sterile shale]

probably because it doesn't need to be on land? also its built like a tank I'd be afraid if it could move 45km/h

[narrow nova]

You think deino is unkillable because you've never tried deino migrate

[sterile shale]

did you die of dehydration?

trying to cross the map on land?

is that what this is about

[narrow nova]

Everyone who has played deino understands how vulnerable it is on land

[limber hull]

Why would I when I can just be unkillable lol

You've just confirmed that dying is a choice for deino lmao

[sterile shale]

maybe most deino players are't dumb ebough to go on land?

if you go on land and die idk who else you can blame for that

[narrow nova]

Because other deino,and player need fun,so deino player will try to move to other water positions

[limber hull]

Non-deino player also need fun

So they drink from place where deino not

[sterile shale]

your definition of fun just seems to be to ruin everyone elses game

[narrow nova]

Well I succeed move to South plains and I had big fun there

[sterile shale]

well im sorry the game doesn't do whatever you want

[narrow nova]

Also killed many times in land

[sterile shale]

you got killed or killed people?

[narrow nova]

If you just want to remove the deino threat once and for all, you can always stay in the water pool where they will never reach

[sterile shale]

🤯

[narrow nova]

Yes, that is the part of game

[sterile shale]

what do you think is gonna happen to the water pools when deino CAN reach them when it rains

[narrow nova]

You make a mistake when you think I'm talking about not getting thirsty on a rainy day

[sterile shale]

yeah well if it slows down thirst drain that means deino can go further

[narrow nova]

I just think I should keep my thirst a little longer

So all you have to do is hold deino migrating on the shore for 15 minutes, and they'll die

Than you can eat it

[sterile shale]

how do you do that

why would a deino stay out of water on purpose for like 15 minutes

if the only way to kill a deino is for the deino to be really dumb, how do you not see an issue

[narrow nova]

Do fake move just like what you do to stego

Deino are slow, and they travel a long way, so you always have a chance

[sterile shale]

alright mate you think whatever u want im not gonna bother trying to convince you because it really does not matter

[narrow nova]

None of you ever killed deino on land? I don't think it's something that needs to be taught

[narrow nova]

Yes, it's very difficult to change someone's opinion, so I just explained what I thought and I thought it was fair change

[narrow nova]

Did carno have bleed res？If you are well aware of the game stats, then I would like to ask about the bleed of carno

[limber hull]

no

[narrow nova]

I've always wondered why carno's blood resistance is so poor

[limber hull]

carno has regular bleed resist of 0, but also bleeds faster than other creatures while walking, trotting and standing

[narrow nova]

This is really bad.I tried carno and bleed to death after three claw attack by teno

[limber hull]

I mean, it's supposed to be bad against bleed

It's not bad if it's what's supposed to happen

[narrow nova]

Yes, it's almost a feature of it

[sterile shale]

it is a feature

[quiet wind]

i kinda got bored with deino as solo cause all ur doing is run from pairs of deino who Will for sure kill u or get killed while ur hunting other dinos on land and get jumped by deinos from behind XD and lose huge amount of time, either need more dinos in water or to make deino non canibal but then deino would starve so meh im gonna stick with its boring currently XD

[sterile shale]

best solution is people stop playing deino

[narrow nova]

Actually deino will never starve...you can eat rotted Schooling fish.just catch them and drop them aside,wait 7 min then you can gain three point from it.

[limber hull]

another reason why deino should flat out not eat schooling fish

[midnight heath]

Imagine complaining that the only apex carnivore doesn't have an easier life.

Even when we get more semi-aquatics I don't see what will really kill adult deinos when they're water-bound, sucho and bary will be small enough to get grabbed yeah? They're still mids?

Does that really just leave spino as their biggest contester for FG deino in the water? I've heard that spino might not even swim really and if that ends up being the case I'd assume deinos will just evade them.

[midnight heath]

Most creatures with the exception of deino/steg don't exactly do a lot of DMG per bite. When you have 8k health you'll kill them far before they kill you if you even somewhat try to fight back.

You'll kill a carno in 4 bites if he even tries it.

I've never been killed on land as a deino from anything other than a stray steg here or there.

[narrow nova]

For every second Deino spends confronting others while migrating, they lose one second of their lives

[midnight heath]

You can just passively bite, chances are you bite them once and they'll stop even trying.

And so what if they do bite you, it'll take a long time to do anything.

[limber hull]

with the new change to deino, it can now grab sucho if it's swimming, even if sucho ends up being 5+ tons

[limber hull]

the same applies to literaly every creature

[midnight heath]

I don't know how I feel about that new change really, I feel like it wasn't really needed.

[limber hull]

same, but it's here

[midnight heath]

You're not wrong

[limber hull]

on the bright side, deino got a big ol' growth nerf

[midnight heath]

I know. A PT genuinely nearly killed me alt biting

I gravely underestimated how little you start.

But it's a good change for sure

[narrow nova]

In fact, in hordetesting the developers has severely restricted deino's ability to move

So you don't have to worry about deino being everywhere

[midnight heath]

Give it a few more spawns and the issues fixed. Can't travel to some obsecure pond? So what.

You have a win button for the whole roster excluding 2 FG things.

Deino doesn't need to migrate on land, it should stay in the water.

[limber hull]

win button now also works on everything but yourself, given specific conditions are met

[midnight heath]

Oh yeah I keep forgetting the new thing

[limber hull]

deino is now the ONLY animal that has a way to one-tap EVERYTHING on the roster but itself

[midnight heath]

I'm so glad there's no counterplay to it, I'd love to grow something for 5 hours to lose to a right click.

[limber hull]

it not being allowed in a random pond in the middle of god knows where? Not an issue, at all

[midnight heath]

Off-topic, did teno get a cooldown for it's tail or no? Someone mentioned it and I genuinely can't tell.

I know pachy's alt isn't great now, I feel like the cooldown for it is long for what it is.

[limber hull]

it has a cooldown, it feels real damn bad to use lol

[limber hull]

so sick of these damn cooldowns lol

[midnight heath]

That new cooldown killed my pachy, I knocked over one raptor and was suddenly unable to stop a pounce.

I can't wait for Dibble to get nerfed within 2 weeks of it's release. It ain't looking good for the herbivores.

[narrow nova]

But what I see is an attitude: let everything that threatens the herbivorous disappear, so that the herbivorous can play happily.
Herbivores never need to worry about starving to death, no matter how big the herbivores will not worry about food, herbivores grow up much easier than carnivores.
I say limit the number of large carnivores so they don't pose too much of a threat

[limber hull]

that's not the attitude lol

if that's the attitude you see, you aren't picking up the vibes at all lol

[midnight heath]

Tell me you don't play herbivores without telling me you don't play herbivores.

[limber hull]

there is a difference between "I think herbivores should never once feel fear" and "I would prefer people play herbivores and not have them be seen as fodder"

let's take a look at some examples

carno: if you honestly can tell me this thing doesn't need a buff, you either hate carno, or you just don't care
omni and troodon: the changes to pounce were much needed to improving their playability
teno: needs a nerf to stamina. NOTHING MORE. It needs a nerf, yes, but not to the ground like some have suggested

[midnight heath]

Migrations rarely have enough food for everyone there to fully fill by the time the next one comes around. Yeah you can graze and not starve but once you're out of nutrients which happens more often than not ✨ Congrats! ✨ you get debuffs.

Completely agree with the above, not even sure what carno needs but something.

[narrow nova]

I just think The harder you make life for carnivores, the more they will do everything they can to destroy everything around them.
Being able to eat schooling fish and get nutrients only makes me a deino without canni,and live better with myself in a separated water zone.
But i don't deny for some players eat schooling fish is just keep carni machine live forever.
But imagine deino don't eat schooling fish,can't gain enough food and confined to a small area.It only drives them to canni because there's no other choice,That's the boring species.
So I think we should give the player a choice.Maybe they shouldn't eat schooling fish,but we must have other way.

[limber hull]

you know that the elite fish is right there for the purpose of what you're saying lol

also deinos SHOULD canni

[narrow nova]

You mean the 2.5%food and 9%nutrition?

[narrow nova]

You can't dictate how the player plays

[limber hull]

@toxic terrace that's literally what Steam is for.

[limber hull]

True, I can't, so if a deino can find a way to survive without cannibalism, good for them

Regardless, the game should still encourage cannibalism over death

[toxic terrace]

I know but its more complicated and not that user friendly for new players. You have to actually go into game settings to select beta bransch - then select your game. Besides you can only have 1 version of the game installed. My idea was to migrate over to a client where you can have everything that steam already have but its more accessable and highlighted topics and dev notes

[limber hull]

that would require having to make yet another account for another service and having another launcher on my PC, and frankly, the convinience of Steam far trumps any of that

[narrow nova]

Players find a way not to cannibalize, and you say they should,so go back to your jail and Kill one another.
That's pretty irresponsible.Not everything is decided by "should.

[latent olive]

make it like gaijin too where if you use steam currency the price is doubled

[limber hull]

I never said any of that

[narrow nova]

So why you say deino should canni

[limber hull]

Deino is literally designed to be a cannibal. It is supposed to cannibalise

It has deino on its diet

It gets zero debuffs from cannibalising

It's a cannibal

[narrow nova]

So eat deino and die？

[toxic terrace]

Thats true but you already do that with probably many of your Steam games. Especially tripple A where it requires you to have a client account. I think its a small convience that would be better for the newer players. Besides its only a 1 time thing

[limber hull]

I do respect the eat grass and die reference, but not what I'm saying no

[limber hull]

Yea, and I'd rather not have it more. It's annoying enough as-is with those games

[narrow nova]

There will be mutations in the future that will make the cannibalistic debuff disappear, and I think cannibals should be allowed to not cannibalize as well

[limber hull]

There's actually going to be mutations to make non-cannibals cannibals lol, not the other way around

[limber hull]

Also, such a mutation would be a straight-up downside, no one would pick that

Why would you want to remove a diet option and potentially suffer debuffs for scavenging others of your kind?

[toxic terrace]

Realisticly speaking i dont think this is going away anytime soon. New game comapnies are developing all the time and new games are popping up year after year that will require you to do the same thing.

[narrow nova]

I didn't, I just choose not to do so.
I like to play with herbivores, so I don't like to kill my own kind.
But reality is herbivore even kill their own kind with out punishment.
It's never about diet.I accept eat own kind but don't like kill own kind.
According to your words, herbivores are not punished for eating own species(they just can't eat meat) so they could be cannibals

[limber hull]

what?

how is that according to my words if i said nothing remotely like that lol

[narrow nova]

It doesn't mean deino is a cannibal just because it eats own species

[limber hull]

it literally is given nutrition for doing it

it has been described by devs as a cannibal

[native vortex]

Teno is literally the most op thing in the game rn

[limber hull]

lmao what

[narrow nova]

Cannibalism is a phenomenon that occurs in species with low stress levels, they have no equal rivals so they create one

[limber hull]

idk what that has to do with The Isle encouraging you to eat your own kind as cera and deino

because this is a video game

[narrow nova]

So the isle shouldn't have any should,

[wooden agate]

what

[limber hull]

huh?

[narrow nova]

Let deino eat schooling fish, or it has no choice

Deino can canni,but they not have to do so

[wooden agate]

or we force the 8 ton croc to rely on something other than AI

[limber hull]

no one has said they have to

[wooden agate]

imo ai should be enough to let you barely get by, but you absolutely shouldnt be able to comfortably live off it as an adult

[limber hull]

they have things on their diet besides deino because they CAN eat more than just their own kind

[wooden agate]

so real

[narrow nova]

In future we're going to have 15 tons of creatures living by map resources.

[wooden agate]

ok and

that does not negate the fact that you should not be able to comfortably rely on ai

[narrow nova]

What is the different between ai and plant？

[limber hull]

do you really need that answered

[narrow nova]

They are all map resources

[wooden agate]

one is the only source of food on the entire map

the other is a supplement food thats designed to only make sure you dont starve

i didnt think id need to explain that

[limber hull]

let me put it this way

herbivores are PvE. They are designed to be defensive, and not have to worry about food, as their main concern is predation.
carnivores are PvP. They are designed to be offensive, and as a result, must hunt other players for food. They can scavenge, hunt or eat AI for their food. The downside is that they cannot rely on PvE nearly as much

if you are playing a carnivore, you have to accept the fact that you are reliant on hunting. If you do not want to deal with that hassle, play herbivore, as they are a PvE survival experience primarily, with PvP mainly being self-defence

playing a carnivore as a herbivore is obviously not going to be productive

[narrow nova]

That will be good If you really can make sure herbivore are in pve.
What I see is they get fed and start killing.
No different with carnivore.

[wooden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/new-york-gif-2149204533260503721

[limber hull]

Herbivores aren't good at hunting though

They're generally slower, or have back-facing attacks

[narrow nova]

Yes they are slower,so they kill other herbivore

The point is that debuff punishes "eat" but not "kill"

[sterile shale]

man you can ask anyone in the disc how to do it and 5 people would prob tell you in 2 minutes its not that hard to figure out

Also are you guys still talking about the stupid deino thing?

[limber hull]

maybe?

idk tbh

[narrow nova]

And you'll find that herbivores can kill herbivores easier than carnivores kill herbivore

In terms of hunting, herbivor have surpassed carnivor.

Higher attack power, fracture ability, stun ability

[sterile shale]

that's why teno needs a stam nerf, and why patchy got a nerf

[narrow nova]

Did patchy got a nerf？

[native vortex]

I suggested a teno nerf in feedback but literally everyone disagreed😭

[sterile shale]

and plus a teno can only kill a carno if the carno attacks it

its not like a teno can run backwards slamming it's tail, if it's being attacked it should be able to defend itself

[sterile shale]

pretty sure it got some attack cooldown

[narrow nova]

Most teno players don't good at fight indeed

[narrow nova]

I think other species too...did pachy cool down too long？

[sterile shale]

idk

[narrow nova]

I also think teno is op, but most people think teno is not strong

[limber hull]

depends on the nerf, because teno has a long history of being overnerfed. It needs a nerf to how much stam its kicks and tailslam takes by 1-2%, and that's it

[limber hull]

Herbivores really don't have any of that besides fracture ability, and that's only on pachy

The stuns carnivores also have

Herrera, deino, omni, troodon, cera all have ways to immobilise or disable their targets

[narrow nova]

From the point of view of gameplay, the herbivorous should indeed have the ability to protect itself, but it is a little too strong now

[wooden agate]

dilo makes you trip shrooms bro

[narrow nova]

Where？3 seconds 30%stm charge？

[native vortex]

It can kick/slam it’s tail, like 35 times if they made it so it can kick 18 max it would be good

[limber hull]

I disagree. I think they have a fine level of self-defence. Cerato can 1v1 tenos and win with skill, omnis/troodons also have a fine time with omnis

[limber hull]

I've already said carno is too weak. That doesn't mean nerf herbis, it means buff carno

[narrow nova]

Yes, the balance was not adjusted frequently enough, which caused a lot of complaints from players

[narrow nova]

I agree

Just let teno tail attack cost more stm.but not as more as update 4.5

[sterile shale]

if tenos and mid tier herbis are supposed ot stand no chance against carnis then why bother play them

[urban flax]

eat

[desert arch]

grass

[wooden agate]

and

[sterile shale]

die

[radiant nest]

Thank you! I was told as such by someone else as well, but it’s nice to get confirmation. However, it has nonetheless had an interesting impact on navigation during night.

[barren zephyr]

i assume mid tiers and lower dinos will be faster then an average apex carnivore

[sterile shale]

no it was an eat grass and die moment, some complaining herbis are too strong lol

[barren zephyr]

apex herbivores will also be harder to maination, food vise. it is already hard to get full food as a stego, due to high food consumption

[limber hull]

some people think apex herbis will be a cakewalk because they eat plants. I guarantee you the 15 ton shant is not going to be that easy lol

[barren zephyr]

true

same goes for apex carnivores

[raw hedge]

The big issue that I have, is there a lot of these abilities and attacks that the easy to pack Herbie have, mostly Tenno.
Because of the server latency issue that we still have, a lot of tax feel like they shouldn’t hit, but they do because of Client side registration versus server registration. Myself and another Cerrado almost took out five adult tennis by ourselves. The only reason we did was because we saw them coming and we’re able to launch attacks before they could. the game seems to favor the initiator of a fight, but if anything manages the land to hit before you do, the timing is already in their favor. At least it’s how it feels.

I also think that because it is so easy to play carnivore versus herbivores, because of the play style of combat, that a lot of the herbivore attacks have to be strong to offset the ridiculous amount of carnivore players. I personally think that it should be harder to grow a carnivore early stage, but once you get to young adult, you should be able to be self-sufficient. Because of the AI changes, it is easier for finding food, which is great for new players, but I think it also caters to the overpopulation of carnivore. The car would be a lot stronger, if it was a less prevalent threat. Not in the sense of oh Nerf, it’s abilities, but in the sense of the less of a carnivore, you see, the more terrifying and harder it is to deal with. Carnivore should have an edge on herbivores, but the issue is it so easy to get to the upper stages That it feels like it negates motivation to grow herbivores. Because all it takes is one really coordinated pack of Omni, or a bunch a bunch of spamming Dilo to kill almost everything.

Is now super easy to grow babies, and they definitely had a better chance now against adults, but that shouldn’t mean that it’s easy to grow overall. Maybe by making it harder to grow solo, and rewarding those that set up nests, it might make it easier For solo players to get some help, and maybe will bring a sense of unity across different Doc types. True Dan‘s are the most fun, because on top of a really fast time you can have an army of 10 lol but for cerah‘s, Carlos, Tenno,and Steg, The most common method of growth is to find food and AFK grow.

I’m hoping that the Dave would be willing to play test a harsher version of the growth stages to see if it can encourage nesting.

Now, with all the pounce fixes and quality life adjustments, I think the depths have done a great job so far. I do think there’s some balancing love to do on the Dialo, and some Tron buffs. Maybe a car no rework with the charge where it uses less stamina, but has maybe a longer cool downetc. But the changes to Dan and Tenno tail swings have been a great equalizer. Now the same has to be done for any other dinos that can spam attacks quickly.

Long rant, sorry about it lol but I would like to hear what your guises thoughts are

[tight iron]

i mean to be fair life itself favors the one who starts the fight

the one who starts it already knows where to attack how to attack and how to react if something unexpected happens, the one who defends himself just realized he's being attacked

[sterile shale]

"Carnivore should have an edge on herbivores" 🤨

[tight iron]

uh waht does that even mean nvm

[lapis swallow]

@urban flax

[sterile shale]

eat grass and die moment

classic 👍

[tight iron]

nvm

absolute eat grass and die moment

[limber hull]

i cant fathom WHY people want carni to have the edge

i find the joy of carni being, y'know, overcoming a powerful opponent and succeeding a hunt

[sterile shale]

"Because all it takes is one really coordinated pack of Omni, or a bunch a bunch of spamming Dilo to kill almost everything." well you can argue any large of any dino can kill anything

[limber hull]

not steamrolling a helpless grasseater

[lapis swallow]

its fun at times, but fighting a herd protecting a singular weaker member of theirs for a longer time until you finally kill it is more fun

[sterile shale]

killing the children

[tight iron]

well yes but that can't happen if everyone is weak

[lapis swallow]

yeah, fighting a battle where you know you cant just wipe them out and you need to focus down one opponent to get rewarded is more balanced and fun

[sterile shale]

"but in the sense of the less of a carnivore, you see, the more terrifying and harder it is to deal with" idk how you plan that to work at all

[tight iron]

exactly

[sterile shale]

"Maybe by making it harder to grow solo"

ah yes

punishing people for just playing the game by themselves is not a good idea

also idk why so many people are so hellbent on making the game harder, the only good idea I see is decreasing ai spawnrates so carnivores actually have to hunt, but the playercount needs to be higher then that to fill out the map and prevent everyone just forming hotspots

[tight iron]

i mean it is harder to grow solo

[sterile shale]

growthrate and the game itself shouldn't be made harder, that doesn't fix any issues it just makes people annoyed 😭

[tight iron]

well technically it's not but that's if you just ball the whole thing

[sterile shale]

well yeah but you don't need to punish people for being solo

[tight iron]

ig

[sterile shale]

It’s not an issue that being in a herd can benefit your growth, but you shouldn’t be disadvantaged greatly because you’re solo

[tight iron]

i mean i cant lie

being around others of your species who wont kill you is by far the best way to survive

and that's something that can't be changed

[sterile shale]

Yeah obviously

[tight iron]

so yes playing solo is by itself a massive disadvantage over ppl in packs and that wont change

[lapis swallow]

unless you are a baby stego with a parent trying to protect you

[tight iron]

okay you got me here

stego parents trying to protect their babus...

[sterile shale]

Being in a group increases survivability, but doesn’t effect your growth, the suggestion is saying that being solo should make it harder to grow, not survive

[tight iron]

yes im aware, you mentioned that punishing people just for playing the game by themselves is not a good idea, which, well, is quite literally the game itself

in reality, growing solo is easier than growing with others

[sterile shale]

Wha

[raw hedge]

lol, didn’t mean for it to come across like that lol. I’ll try to hit each point that came up lol.
By attacking first, I mean who the server favors. There are times where attacks should land but don’t, or vice versa. Happens to herbi and carni, so that was more of a complaint on the lag etc. @tight iron

@sterile shale the goal is not to make the game “harder” but if players are offered more benifits to nesting and being an egg, then the issue with juvi and bb Dino’s being kos by bigger players will hopefully drop. We know there are murderhobos, so obviously some people will abuse it I’m sure.

I also don’t think being solo should be impossible, or “harder” unless there would be bigger benefits if you make it fg.
Not about slowing growth. My bad if it sounded like that.

I’m just trying to address the fact that some dinos ARE having a harder time growing solo.
Between diets, hotspots, and ai reworks, it’s better to be solo then pack up, since a group of juvis is easy bait.

[tight iron]

spawn a stego jump off a cliff spawn as whatever you want and survive on what the stego body has for like an hour before it rots while afk growing, after that just go out scavenge a bit and the fun begins

[sterile shale]

Are you saying solo or group is easier?

[tight iron]

for growing, solo, for playing, group

if you genuinely want to make it to adult, don't join a group, go solo

[raw hedge]

I agree w that

[tight iron]

that group will be the reason you die

[lapis swallow]

that heavily depends on the creature

[tight iron]

i didnt even read the feedback btw

[tight iron]

can u give me examples of which creatures you believe are better to grow in a group

[raw hedge]

You’re good lol! Text channels are hard to follow lol

[tight iron]

yus just wanted to comment on a few thingies

[lapis swallow]

definitely raptor, because you can get the lines nutrients much easier and you can murk more stuff while still being able to escape basically all threats easily

[tight iron]

im not even kidding raptor is the best dino to afk grow

there is nothing easier to afk grow than raptor

you require very little food compared to ceras or carnos and if SOMEHOW you get attacked by something you can just leg it

[lapis swallow]

Is it? I never actually afk grew something

[tight iron]

also you're 1 tap to everything while not adult so bad idea to go out there, hide in a bush and just afk grow

[tight iron]

you wont believe me but i have a success rate of frickin 100% afk growing raptors

[lapis swallow]

thats good

[sterile shale]

Well clearly there is no issue of people struggling to grow solo

[tight iron]

it is just the easiest thing to afk grow

the issue is when you decide to leave your safe spot and get murked by something lolz

[sterile shale]

We’ve established that growing solo is easier, so why are we saying some Dino’s can’t grow solo?

I can’t think of one that can’t except deino probably

[tight iron]

all dinos can grow solo

however actually living solo and facing threats, well, that's more difficult

[sterile shale]

“I’m just trying to address the fact that some dinos ARE having a harder time growing solo.”

[tight iron]

that's strange, growing solo is too easy

you risk less stuff, you're less detectable...

[urban flax]

You know what ? Screw it. I'm making it a suggestion.

[lapis swallow]

All herbivores should instadie when a carnivore spots them because of stresslevels

[urban flax]

No no it's a serious suggestion

[lapis swallow]

I saw

[urban flax]

And I'm upvoting it myself

[lapis swallow]

you should upvote my suggestion

[urban flax]

I did, but that's only because I'm secretly in love with you and I want you to notice me

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-face-confused-look-im-confused-im-so-confused-gif-16067865999736184254

@barren zephyr this is basically ambush from legacy

[modern sun]

Small thing for the people.
Has anyone else noticed the Troodon warping bug? Or is it just me?

Well, warping/phasing

[lapis swallow]

@true cradle there is a unstuck command coming to the game in the next patch

[true cradle]

i hope it works!

[raw hedge]

Most likely server lag.
I’ve had it happen to me as a troodon a few times, also the pounce bug where you are stuck in the pounce animation lol.

[modern sun]

That is an odd one yeah.
What I am talking about is there is a case when you are small and you jump onto something like a goat, when you leap off you just get put under the map and then fall to your death

It seems to happen on slightly sloped surfaces more than anywhere else

[raw hedge]

So when you pounce, either hold it from jump, to when you want to jump off, or just tap, and it’ll let go after it lands. If you tap or hold at a weird time it screws with server registration cause of the copious bodies again.

I remember a horse test ago, they cleaned up the server ping and lag by lowering ai spawn rates. Less buggy issues happened there.
I hope they change ai again to spawn near players, but in designated areas like it used to be.
The bodies just sit there and take resources

[modern sun]

I wonder if a fix there would be to make AI decay faster.
Not so fast that you can't eat them, but fast enough to where they don't form the big pockets of laggy bodies (Aka, the eastern plains)

[raw hedge]

Ai bodies can last maybe 3 minutes max imo. They are so small, it’s not like we have ai teno anymore lol.

[modern sun]

Yeah that'd be a good idea

[hybrid swallow]

Stego night vision is dog water

I just fell of a cliff without seeing anything

[normal lotus]

@true cradle on hordetest they have an unstuck button

[tight iron]

way better in hordetesting

[hybrid swallow]

how do i join?

[tight iron]

go to steam, right click the isle, properties, betas, hordetesting branch

left click it and then update the game

[hybrid swallow]

Alr

Thank you

[tight iron]

anytime

[full pewter]

If anyone has better ideas on differentiating Sucho from bary, I’d like the hear them.

[junior ether]

CHANGE FALL DAMAGE in evrima

asap. It does too much even from little fall.

[barren zephyr]

Bigger creatures are susceptible to even the smallest falls irl

[raw hedge]

I think one mechanic that’ll add dynamic to a fight, is when a larger creature takes a fall, even if it doesn’t do damage, I think it should slow the speed ever so slightly for a moment, because if you drop a bit while running, you can land poorly etc but you slow a bit until you balance out again. This wouldn’t really affect smaller guys and juvi, but would also encourage,( or discourage if you a chunky boi like cera carno steg teno etc) to use different movements around drops and angles.
I don’t think the game even registers that really. But the physics to make that happen in game would definitely take a while to do

[tight iron]

#general-feedback message but dilo has the best diet dont they

they can easily get all diets from ais

and ai only gives raptor 3 dot and s

[midnight heath]

That's why I downvoted that one, dilo is genuinely one of the easiest to grow carnivores right now.

[lost marsh]

what.
I'm always sweet to everyone?

[radiant nest]

I was gonna say, I didn’t think you were a very toxic person, at all

[limber hull]

i love how they managed to remake ambush but more OP lol

[sturdy mulch]

Hey, my audio and my friend's audio is static on servers when certain actions or events like eating or in a storm where it just makes these awful sounds. anyway to fix?

[radiant nest]

Make sure your graphics drivers are up to date, it may help

[icy lion]

@junior kite Coords haven't been removed

Check if you have Streamer mode enabled

[junior kite]

where can I check this at?

[icy lion]

Gameplay settings iirc

[junior kite]

alright, thank you.

[tight iron]

removing the choice to spawn won't fix hotspots

people will just run all the way to those places again

the way to fix hotspots is via altering the map so that there is no chance of creating them

[limber hull]

not really, no

removing the spawnpoints does a lot more than people give it credit for

[cursive ingot]

This is exactly what i was thinking, i'd run the distence to. It won't really solve the problem, it will make it take longer for people to return but people will still go to the "Best spots" where "everyone is at" because the map (especially on low population servers and times) it's to hard to find someone just out and about anywhere else. People go where they can find interaction, or where they can have the easiest time getting food and water.

[tight iron]

it definetely will, but the problem itself won't be solved

it will make it more difficult to arrive there, but people still will get there and do the same things they do right now

[limber hull]

people stay where the most things spawn. Remove that, and then people have to move to places like migrations, the other main "playable congregation" area

[native vortex]

Have u played legacy

[sterile shale]

all herbivores should instadie as soon as they spawn in from stress levels of knowing there is carnivores on the island, its how nature works

[lapis swallow]

There were still hotspots

[sterile shale]

I obvi there will be some spots on the map with greater population, im sure if you remove the east plains spawn people aren't gonna go out of their way to head over there

[native vortex]

Yea but the whole map was still full of players, You could find players at the most random location

[lapis swallow]

But evrima is different. The spawns heavily dictate on how fast you will be growing

Its worth it to suicide your omni for half an hour until you get a spawn that gives you perfect diet

[native vortex]

New ai for juvis to hunt

[lapis swallow]

I would prefer if you could just spawn near or in migration zones

[sterile shale]

I think the high ai spawn rates doesn't help in those areas too

[sterile shale]

yeah for sure,

like at roughly halfway to three quaters of the way there

[tight iron]

yes

[native vortex]

It didn’t have spawn points and the whole map was used

So removing spawn points will kinda fix the problem

[lapis swallow]

People will just suicide themselves until they get a good spawn

[uncut zephyr]

I doubt that

[lapis swallow]

Especially when you need to get to specific locations to get diets

[midnight heath]

They used to do that in Legacy

[lapis swallow]

You will grow your omni faster if you keep suiciding for half an hour until you get perfect diet

[midnight heath]

Because more often than not you'd spawn too far from something like water

And some babies are slow

[native vortex]

It wasn’t that common lmao

[uncut zephyr]

Yes but that’s also boring and I know literally no one who would do that

[lapis swallow]

I know a lot of people who would

[midnight heath]

In my experience it very much was, especially if it were the beach.

[uncut zephyr]

That also could’ve just been a map issue

[lapis swallow]

If I need to suicide for 15 minutes, I am down

[midnight heath]

It was also a "I want to find my friend but they're on the opposite side of the map"

[lapis swallow]

Spawning near relevant migration zones would be much better

[midnight heath]

If I spawn at West Access and a buddy gets East, we likely won't be able to meet up for a very long time.

[lapis swallow]

Finding eachother is also MUCH harder because you cant group across the entire map

[midnight heath]

Legacy didn't have spawns but on say things like V3, Twins and Great Falls were hotspots and people would travel to both to see what was going on. People knew more remote areas of the map, places to grow, etc because they were forced to learn.

Heck you could even figure out where certain playables tended to grow overtime because it was just well known enough after a time.

[uncut zephyr]

Yes but entirely removing hotspots is impossible without actively getting rid of the part of the map people gather at

[lapis swallow]

Also, people mostly grew in remote locations and then went to hotspots

[uncut zephyr]

Like no matter how much you try to discourage it people will go there, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try to discourage it

[midnight heath]

I do think it'd benefit the game still overall, people would still have to traverse the map to get to said hotspots. This not only makes you learn the map but you're far more likely to see people moving around.

[lapis swallow]

Not having everything spawning at east plains would be a great way to discourage it

[uncut zephyr]

Well I’m pretty sure east plain is getting nuked anyways

[midnight heath]

They'd just need to implement a way for people to find their friends but it's likely they'll just keep coords.

[sterile shale]

would it be heard for juvi herbis to grow if they can't just grow in remote areas if they need diet?

unless they get diet and go somewhere else

[uncut zephyr]

You also have calls and talking to them

[limber hull]

allow people to "party up" and spawn in groups

[uncut zephyr]

Also that

[midnight heath]

Herbis can't, should have specified carnivores.

[midnight heath]

Juvie/babies calls aren't going to reach the other end of the map.

[wary flower]

@pulsar pivot it is a bug

[midnight heath]

You'll also just get eaten by something if you're spamming 1 as a baby.

[sterile shale]

do you reckon they'd just get killed by carnivores if there is more in migration though?

[uncut zephyr]

Yeah but if you’re trying to meet your friend you can also just literally talk to them?

[midnight heath]

I don't actually, predation would happen sure but it happens now too. Being a baby in a migration zone always holds that risk even now.

[sterile shale]

fair enough, circle of life ig haha

[restive fjord]

We had one hotspot, even bigger than east. NE. Spawn point was removed and put literally right under the volcano in jungle area. I was laughing at it first since it seemed like nothing was really changed by that. Turned out that it was enough for players to stop using NE as hotspot entirely..

[midnight heath]

I guess..? Convenience is a powerful thing is all.

Having a nametag pop up at the other end of the map wasn't something I hated with the old party system.

[uncut zephyr]

Like yeah it would be nice to group across the map, but it also doesn’t work with the 2 call system and you can still just always meet up at a landmark

[pulsar pivot]

Have they confirmed that? 😮

[midnight heath]

Didn't even consider the 2-call system, granted I don't think the old party system would come back anyway.

[cyan flame]

@torn plinth Wouldn't it just mean that every hunt has to end in either killing the prey, or the entire pack being wiped out? Isn't it better if hunts ends simply due to the hunters being exhausted, be it by stamina or by having taken too many wounds or losses of pack members? That way the pack can always attempt another hunt instead, after having recovered, rather than it being a matter of do or die in every encounter.

[tight iron]

yes but that's legacy

evrima is a completely different game that requires you to eat super specific foods to get buffs

in legacy you can even cannibalize and you get no debuffs

so logically everyone will go after the buffs wherever they are

[native vortex]

Yes and thats why they need to fix the ai

[tight iron]

uh no ai has nothing really to do here

unless they make it so you can get perfect diet with only ai which would also cause very big issues

[bold mason]

theres actually nothing wrong with ai

[tight iron]

cause then why hunt or move around the map when you can just camp a place and get constant perfect diet

[bold mason]

spawn points forsure need abolished.... and it forsure will stop hotspots

[tight iron]

it wont

it will make it 10 times worse than it already is

[bold mason]

nah, only reason ot exists bc there are noobs that cant find ai

so they go there bc there are bodies everywhere

[tight iron]

alr so first off you cant get perfect diet from ai

[bold mason]

which is bc of the noobs chain spawning there

[tight iron]

second with how long the growth times are i seriously doubt more than 5 ppl in the server would not care about perfect diet

[bold mason]

on most dinos u can, and u get enough diet to suffice till next kill

[tight iron]

so ppl would just mass migrate to east plains and stay there like before

[bold mason]

only they cant mass migrate there

[tight iron]

but this time instead of you being able to solve that by killing a stego and then eating it, you are almost forced to go to east plains or around to get the diet

[cyan flame]

But it'd be more difficult for them, and thus lessening the hotspots, at least in part

[bold mason]

map doesnt allow it

[tight iron]

it would take a bit of time that's pretty much it

and everyone would go there

[cyan flame]

Still would be something

[tight iron]

so it would make it 15 times worse than it already is

[bold mason]

if it spawns u in south plains u aint making it to the non existant hotspot unless u play the game first

[tight iron]

jump off a cliff respawn again

spawn close to east plains and go eat stuff there

[bold mason]

30 min respawn timer then for cheesers like u

[cyan flame]

And while that can work, it'd be a lot more effort, not everyone will do that. After enough tries, people might just play instead

[tight iron]

wat

[cyan flame]

It won't just remove the hotspot, but it can at least maybe mitigate it

[tight iron]

alr so the thing is, how r u gonna play the game when you can't get perfect diet from ai besides a few lucky species

[bold mason]

ya man, killing urself at start to give urself diet starts is lame and cheesy asf

[tight iron]

yes but 30 min respawn timer is absolutely insane

[bold mason]

get kills...

[bold mason]

killing urself to cheese the game is actually

[tight iron]

you cant kill anythin as a juvie tho

since first you can't see the juvies around you

[bold mason]

find other juvies this sounds like a lot of qq

hunt, stalk, work for what u get

[tight iron]

find other juvies me when you cant see them

as a fresh spawn you aint got time to go around wherever you spawned trying to see if a juvie is perhaps hidden in a bush or in the grass

[bold mason]

arnt u the guy who said he bullies steggos allday as a solo rap?

[tight iron]

im an adult

[bold mason]

u should have plenty of diets lol

[tight iron]

and with a group

[tight iron]

how does that even make any sense

since i bully stegos with a group as an adult i must have plenty of diet when i just spawn

[normal lotus]

Maybe...scavenge?

[tight iron]

nonsense

[bold mason]

what im saying is if u can get kills u shouldnt be struggling that bad

[tight iron]

me when theres no corpses to scavenge

[bold mason]

and if u are struggling that bad its a skill issue

[tight iron]

do u spawn anywhere outside of east plains

[normal lotus]

Go somewhere that does

[tight iron]

not if you cant even choose where you spawn

[normal lotus]

Then leave

[jovial hazel]

So every carnivore should have to be a scavenger and rely on pure luck to start?

[tight iron]

and that place would be called east plains and its surroundings

[bold mason]

theres plenty to scavenge if u work for it and not think the game should just throw hotspots at u

[tight iron]

i actually hate hotspots

[jovial hazel]

They are adding the insects and stuff to help with juvi diet maybe. Guess we'll see how it works

[tight iron]

that is why i always stay away from them

so once again you are making no sense

[normal lotus]

At this point you have to adapt to what's given to you, you can spawn in the hotspot, eat what you can, then leave.

[tight iron]

not if you can't even choose where you spawn

[normal lotus]

When the hotspot gets bonked that'll change things

[tight iron]

if we go with the legacy thing where u cant choose where u spawn we're fricked

we can't choose where we spawn and most places have no food and no chance for juvies to survive in

[bold mason]

everywhere has food on thr entire map

[normal lotus]

Well what about just nuking east plains as a hotspot

[bold mason]

and all spawns are survivable for all dinos

[tight iron]

does this place have consistent ai for juvies to hunt

juvie ai that aint boars

[tight iron]

that is what i want

[normal lotus]

And that is what they are doing

[tight iron]

have u read the debate sir

they claim that if you go back to legacy thing where u spawn randomly there won't be no hotspots

and i claim that east plains will be absolutely infested with people

[normal lotus]

Technically there wouldn't be in a sense.

[bold mason]

nobody even wants to go to east plains

[tight iron]

the 40 ppl constnatly in east plains differ

[normal lotus]

People go for the path of least resistance.

[tight iron]

ppl go where the easy food is

[bold mason]

northeast was the hotspot before that and it was all related to spawn points

[tight iron]

yea cause we still can choose where we spawn

[bold mason]

without spawn points there wont be crazy bodies at east plains so ppl wont go across the entire map for no reason

[normal lotus]

Imo I agree with not getting rid of the selecting spawn points.

[tight iron]

there will be a lot of bodies at east plains and ppl will go across the map to get there

that or just jump off a cliff over and over till they spawn close to east plains

[normal lotus]

That sounds very similar to what happened in legacy

[tight iron]

solution to hotspots is changing the whole map so that there isn't cheesy places that you can ball in with infinite food

nuke east plains as a whole which is gonna happen soon

[normal lotus]

Or...and hear me out...add respawn timers to locations.

[bold mason]

again spawn timers are a simple fix for suicide cheesers

[tight iron]

no cause you can just wait the timer out 🤷‍♂️

and spawnkilling would be a trillion times more annoying

pachies n others hunting for juvies like mad people

[bold mason]

any spot on the map will have infinite food if ppl stay there and can spawn there

[tight iron]

no it wont

[normal lotus]

Yes it will

[tight iron]

with how diet works n stuff it won't be enough

cause let's be real with how long growth times are who da hell is gonna reject a perfect diet compared to a 30% growth increase

[bold mason]

ai spawns around players not at east plains

[tight iron]

nobody on his right mind

[normal lotus]

East is a self perpetuating system of carnivores killing carnivores

[tight iron]

i know, but there isnt a way to get a perfect diet aside from killing players in a lot of cases

so people would logically go to where the bodies are

and if that's east plains, then everyone goes to east plains

[tight iron]

i know

[bold mason]

so kill them in other places there are ppl everywhere

[normal lotus]

And if it's swamp. It'll be swamp. And literally every other location.

[tight iron]

ppl arent everywhere

a lot of places in this map are just empty

[bold mason]

i get kills in all zones everyday

[tight iron]

that's just you then

[bold mason]

i got a kill today in north west

[tight iron]

i know, that's why i say that the solution to hotspots isn't removing spawn choices

[tight iron]

ofc you did it's still populated

[bold mason]

the game isnt meant to be easy or hold ur hand

[tight iron]

it's not meant to be impossible either

[bold mason]

if u starved u did something wrong

its meant to be very hard

and high failure rate

[tight iron]

well first off that only leads to frustration

so you can't make it super mega ultra difficult

you also can't make it super mega ultra easy

[normal lotus]

"Oh no i spawned in an area with no food despite the fact that I know is a migration zone right now"

[tight iron]

it's gotta have some challenge

[bold mason]

unforgiving

[normal lotus]

Guess that's my fault FOR PLAYING THE GAMS BOW ITS INTENDED

[tight iron]

i know it's like that

but it shouldn't be frickin impossible to do anything

it shouldn't be 3/30 chance

[bold mason]

theres foood ur not looking hard enough

[tight iron]

like what happens with most animals irl

[bold mason]

nothing is impossible atm

[cyan flame]

You... don't need perfect diet to play?

[tight iron]

im not saying it's impossible

[normal lotus]

I am quite done with this convo. @bold mason I respect your opinion but I do not agree with it.

[tight iron]

either wait 1h 30 mins or 2h and a bit to grow

dont know about you but im getting dat perfect diet at all costs

sure you don't need perfect diet to play but juvie gameplay is non existent

so you technically do need it to play the game

or well highly recommended to have it at least

[cyan flame]

Yes, that's fine. You're a carni, you chose hard mode. Don't like it, be a herbi, easy mode. More or less

[normal lotus]

If you find Carnivore hard there's always the herbivores

They're strong either way

[cyan flame]

While I do understand the frustration, and the expectation to have perfect diet is silly, no doubt, it's still kind of meant to be harder as carni compared

[tight iron]

yall dont get what i mean

if you make it impossible for most people to even play the game, who's gonna play it

sure they might all go herbis but then where's the carnis

[normal lotus]

Where...the herbis are?

[cyan flame]

And yes, juvie gameplay is.... well, it is what it is, but that isn't solved by diets really, and not really an excuse for hotspots or so

[tight iron]

not if we completely swap rn

instead of like idk 80% carnis now 80% herbis

[bold mason]

some people only play the game bc its hard to play

[tight iron]

very few

[cyan flame]

Here's the good part, herbis can compete and fight each other, and when a lot of herbis are around, when you die as one, you might try out carni, and around it goes

80% herbis honestly sounds ideal xD

[tight iron]

not if most people are unable to play it like that

[normal lotus]

That 20% of carnivores would have a field day.

[tight iron]

too demanding for them

[normal lotus]

Because they can actually hunt something

[tight iron]

is it a skill issue? absolutely

[cyan flame]

Why would they be unable to be herbis?

Or fight other herbis for that matter

[tight iron]

but you can't expect people to learn when they can't even get past juvie

[tight iron]

talking about carnis

[cyan flame]

The entire point was that if you struggle to survive as carni, you go herbi

[tight iron]

im aware, and that's not a bad idea by itself

either learn or go herbi

[cyan flame]

When there's a lot of herbis around, they'll, ideally, fight, and then you can scavenge from that as carni, and know that there are herbis around to get, so no need to rely on AI even

[tight iron]

but the issue here is that the only choice will be herbi cause you can't learn

im speaking from the perspective of your average isle player

[cyan flame]

What exactly are you saying they should learn?

[tight iron]

has a grasp on how to fight and play the game but usually dies

[tight iron]

to survive

this whole idea of making the game challenging is nice and al lthat

[cyan flame]

Which they would attempt as they go from herbi to carni, and learn that way?

[tight iron]

but brother who is gonna play the game if they can't even survive as their favorite dino

that's terrible for the game itself from a company standpoint

[cyan flame]

So the issue is basically "I only want to be x playable, but it's too hard"?

[bold mason]

not really

skill based game

[cyan flame]

Kind of? Is that what you're trying to say?

[tight iron]

herbi and carni are too separate to be able to learn how to play one thing while playing the opposite

[cyan flame]

Sure, you want to be omni, but if there is no prey, you go dryo, until you see that there is prey, then you go back to omni?

[tight iron]

for most people it would be "i want to try this thing which is cool as heck but i genuinely can't make it past juvie"

[bold mason]

hes saying they should make it so players who misplay can survive still

[tight iron]

that's not how people are gonna do it

[cyan flame]

And thus, you can learn as you go, you learn basics of survival, map and water, and so on, as herbi

[tight iron]

people are gonna just alt f4 delete game we ball 👍

[cyan flame]

As herbi population is visible, you know where to start off as carni, so you can then go carni and learn from there

[bold mason]

people will alt f4 if they make the game casual

[tight iron]

it should be challenging to some degree

[cyan flame]

I mean, that's kind of the point I think

[tight iron]

the game is casual already and people don't alt f4

[normal lotus]

People alt F4 for everything the devs do.

[cyan flame]

You shouldn't start off as the "hard mode" side and do well, compared to the "easy mode" side

[tight iron]

the point is making it complicated not impossible for most ppl

[cyan flame]

Same with how you most certainly should not start off as juvie rex and do well, even as a veteran really xD

[tight iron]

i completely agree with this

[cyan flame]

But it's not impossible

[bold mason]

game is nowhere near casual lol its a hardcore gritty survival game

[tight iron]

but you shouldn't take months to finally be able to ball around

[tight iron]

for you it isn't, for your average person who works and has more stuff to do, it would be

[cyan flame]

I'm honestly not sure, but you kind of make it sound as if carni is somehow very difficult to learn to survive with, when there is AI and all at that

[tight iron]

not saying you don't work or anything

talking about the average person who plays like an hour each 1-2 days

[cyan flame]

I mean, if you can play, you can learn over time

[tight iron]

ofc that's logical, but the issue here is

[cyan flame]

We both have after all xD

[tight iron]

why would you spend months trying to learn how a playable works without even playing it

[cyan flame]

I think I do get the issue, but at the same time, the game isn't really meant to be casual friendly

[tight iron]

it's that for a good bunch of people, they don't have the skill and will most likely never have it

[bold mason]

1-2 hra a day people cant really ball in this game man

[tight iron]

if we, however, completely modified juvie gameplay, this idea could work

[cyan flame]

I'm.. not sure I understand this. Why would you not play what you can, learn that, and advance from there?

[tight iron]

cause you can't make it past juvie

[bold mason]

it takes some dedication

[cyan flame]

You start off as dryo, you learn it, you "upgrade" to something else, you learn it, if the circumstances allow, you try out carni, and learn that too

[tight iron]

you said it yourself, if there's no food or anything, play something else and wait

[cyan flame]

Carni should probably not be the starter side

[tight iron]

probably shouldnt

but we also can't just limit everything

[cyan flame]

And you can make it past juvie, there is AI, and if there's lots of herbis around, you will find prey in sanctuaries

Since the little buggers will go there for their funny shrooms

[normal lotus]

If people alt f4 without even trying the herbivores thats a womp womp for them.

[tight iron]

ofc, look it makes sense, everything yall say is fine imo but not for the average player

[cyan flame]

grumbles in stego It took me far too long, and the entire sanctuaries worth of shrooms to finally get my diets xD

[bold mason]

this aint a game for the average

[tight iron]

cause let's face it, the average player can't take this game as mega hardcore survival

[cyan flame]

I get what they want to do, but it is a pain getting a percent or two for every mushroom I find xD

[tight iron]

then we'll have no players

no money no devs no nothing

you can't make it impossible to play for the average person

you lose the game

[bold mason]

pretty sure the player base seems fine atm and the devs seem ok with being a niche game

[jovial hazel]

Have you tried picking them up and eating them like that each bite? For some reason they last much longer.

[cyan flame]

Maybe it'll be better with dino AI, then you can get diets better, if that's the real issue

[jovial hazel]

Not sure about on stego though