general-feedback-discussion

[short reef]

What skill issue lol?

[barren crater]

What

[minor field]

It just sounds like this person is mad that they can’t kill everything without opposition and that starving is actually possible now that ai doesn’t spawn directly on top of you

[limber hull]

no wonder you hate EVRIMA, you can't even figure out how to fight people lol

[barren crater]

I’m a bit lost here. Carno is better than it was in legacy

[lucid mauve]

Utah vs carno in legacy it was never a fight with tailraiding. Pure timing and understanding. Now its fun having a carno chasing you as omni, so easy to avoid

[minor field]

But it can’t tail ride anymore :<<<<<

[minor field]

Truly pure timing and skill, waiting for his terrible acceleration to screw him over so you can get behind him and attack him while he can’t do anything about it

[barren crater]

Are we going to ignore the official experience here. It was a straight Carno stomp in legacy

Carno ate Omni in a fight

[minor field]

Or you hold crouch for a few seconds and get your ambush as raptor and easily run down the carno because ofc the thing with the best turning radius also has the fastest ambush in the game short of an acro

[lucid mauve]

Exactly, carno was good vs small. Now its crap, i dont fear then as even a omni.

[minor field]

Mfw carno can annihilate every small tier in the game with ease if they play with half their brain turned on

[barren crater]

Eh

[minor field]

Oh and cerato throw that in too

[barren crater]

Had doubt on that one tbh

Carno isn’t hunting a single small tier if they have eyes

[short reef]

Sounds more like you sucked in any kind of pvp with other players and now you are happy because the pvp element of the game is beeing removed 😂

[minor field]

I’m not saying it’s op because it isn’t atm but if given the chance yeah it can kill any of them

[lucid mauve]

Im prob the worste omni player in evrima. And i think its fun having one chasing you,

Just to see when it gives up

[minor field]

Sounds like you sucked at any kind of pvp in evrima and are upset because all the broken elements of legacy isle are being removed

[barren crater]

If the chance means catching you away from your pc then yeah lol

[short reef]

Ok bro 😂

[minor field]

You defend one sided counterless gameplay so I’m not surprised that you’re sad it’s gone

[desert arch]

Its all fun and games if its one, but when theres more...

[barren crater]

There’s not a single small tier Carno is decent at hunting. It’s better off hunting same size creatures

[minor field]

Well the only counter was smashing your hitbox with a hammer by nod biting

[desert arch]

Good luck dodging 3 carnos at the same time

[lucid mauve]

3 carnos then you have a problem. I was 1v1

[minor field]

Carno can hunt dilo decently easily, and pachy if it just dodges a bunch, omni is a bit harder because it’s maneuverable and hard to hit but it is possible

I guess you’re right with the better off hunting things it’s size thing because currently a cerato is just a happy meal for carnos

Unless the carno in question isn’t that great at the game

[barren crater]

It’s sad. Carno was decent before but they clearly don’t know how to balance it

It’s been I think

Holy hell

[short reef]

The moat addictive part of The isle, is the adrenaline rush you get when you end up in a fight with a risk of losing hours of progress. Thats what made it good

[barren crater]

Actually a lifetime ago

[short reef]

And now its butt intercoursed

[barren crater]

Since Carno was fun / somewhat fair

[minor field]

Yeah and you have that in evrima but about 10x better because the combat is actually refined and well made

[lucid mauve]

Im having a blast if i have a carno chasing me, easiest thing to avoid. And who cares if that dino thats like 4x my size even bite me. It dont even hurt lol

[minor field]

I do agree with this though carno hasn’t felt great in a really long time

[minor field]

Legacy combat

[barren crater]

Sad

[lucid mauve]

Yepp sad carno life

[barren crater]

The answer is simple but eh

They’ll never do it lol

Maybe after they fix up cera they’ll realise how lacking Carno is

💀

[limber hull]

actually manic that you think legacy is a step up in combat from this lol

[minor field]

It’s just delusion to say it’s objectively better than evrima, you can say you enjoy it and what not but it is NOT better lol

[short reef]

Tbh imo the combat mechanics of Evrima are fine (could use some tweeking tho in some cases) but thats not the issue with evrima. The issue is this constant effort to prevent players from having the meanes to interact in pvp propperly. For instance how fast your food and water dropp, if i want to go to a pvp are (hotspot) on the map, theres always 500 crocks in the water. So you need to run yo another water source everytime to drink. Meaning you might have 10 min to fight, then you need to go back and drink…. And this migration nonsens, limiting players ability to go to these hotspots is also cancer

[limber hull]

legacy's combat is the equivalent to putting epic combat music over two puppies playing with each other

[short reef]

Clearly you have never won as solo shant vs 2 rex my friend

[minor field]

Well they’re patching that out in the coming update, food and water drain isn’t gonna be an issue anymore

[limber hull]

i did. it was boring and was nothing more than a ton of visual flair floating over an otherwise shallow experience

i guarantee a solo shant vs 2 rexes in EVRIMA will be a sight to behold though

[short reef]

Ehm

[minor field]

Migrations literally create hotspots idk what you want besides a pvp cesspool

[short reef]

It will not be possible, shant vs rex. One will be stringer then the otherz period

[barren crater]

Then get a buddy

[short reef]

There no skill in movement in evrima, everything can turn on a dime. So who ever has the best dps/stats always win

[limber hull]

what the hell are you even on about now lol

[short reef]

The dino that can win a face tank, always wins

[limber hull]

are you seriously in support of Legacy's godawful movement

also that's just... not true

like, tell me you haven't actually won a fight in EVRIMA without telling me you haven't won a fight in EVRIMA

[short reef]

You dont need to get personal

Like i said, evrima combat is not the issue

Its everything else, when two players engage in pvp, its not like they both are dropped down in an arena with full food and water able to fight to the death

[minor field]

Misinformation

[limber hull]

you literally just said that "face tank always wins" which is untrue so you did indeed say EVRIMA combat is the issue

[low canopy]

face tank does win though, you just pick stronger dino and face tank others

[limber hull]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511

[minor field]

I guess every raptor hunt than won in a raptor victory was totally because the raptors face tank you

[short reef]

The mechanics of the map and dinos are limiting peoples ability to engage in pvp

[low canopy]

also the fast movement speed and turn speeds do make combat fast paced and favouring bigger dinos

[minor field]

Ehh?

[barren crater]

Nothing wrong with a larger creature nuking a smaller one in a fight though? Should be the standard

[short reef]

Plus the bleed mechanic is so underpowered, not really possible to bleed ppl out. And the ammount of dmg al dinos do per bite is so weak, you can pretty much always turn and run away

[barren crater]

If you’re going in solo you get turned into paste

[minor field]

He wants legacy where the smallest things could kill the biggest things because they could abuse their turning radius

[limber hull]

bleed is actually insane in EVRIMA, again proving you don't actually play the thing you're critiquing lol

[short reef]

Tracking ppl is also useless, the legacy tracking wss sooo much more usefull

[minor field]

Misinformation x2

[minor field]

Misinformation x3

[short reef]

Tell me a dino that can actually bleed something out? Besides utahs

[limber hull]

omni is the only... bleeder so that's a weird argument, but dilo, teno, galli and cera can all also bleed stuff out

[short reef]

Lmao

[barren crater]

Teno can definitely do it tbf

[minor field]

Teno with kicks, dilo can bleed small tiers out pretty quickly but they’ll usually die before then, cerato does nasty bleed with its bites, a stego swinging into you as a carno usually will deal insane bleed if it doesn’t kill you outright

[short reef]

So basically nothing except utahs? Hahaha

[limber hull]

except all of the things i listed sure

[minor field]

Literally anything that has bleed can bleed something out in the game

[limber hull]

if we wanna explicitly ignore the list i just gave you, you are absolutely right

[minor field]

Omni bleeds out to like 2 attacks from every creature in the game

[tight iron]

4 stego swings is enough to bleed out another stego if he doesn't sit

and only in 1 minute

[minor field]

Oh thank you

[limber hull]

oh yea stego does crazy bleed if it doesn't just nuke you

[short reef]

I have honeslty never died to bleed in evrima, only once when i was solo carno vs 10 uths

[tight iron]

1 stego swing can bleed a teno out

to the head tho

[cyan flame]

Has it occured to you that they don't want constant pvp/death match. And that that kind of gameplay and mentality does not lend itself well to a survival game in the first place? You can still fight, you just need to choose your battles and do so out of need, rather than want.

[tight iron]

to the body very likely he'll bleed out if he even moves

[minor field]

Probably because you died outright to damage anyway also legacy bleed was god awful, genuinely one of the worst things from that game

[lucid mauve]

What,a teno dont die from a head shot ? from stego ?

[minor field]

No it dies instantly

[tight iron]

nah it gets left at 1hp

and if teh teno doesn't sit he'll bleed out

[short reef]

But why cant they have both?

[minor field]

Man i totally want legacy bleed back when a dilo could bite a cera twice and watch it die in minutes with nothing the cera could do about it (:

[short reef]

I dont understand, let players vhose what kind of experiance they want

[tight iron]

LOL

OH HELL NAW

[short reef]

As long as all options are doable

[lucid mauve]

Now you can do mistakes and mistakes, and dont worry

[limber hull]

you can switch to legacy branch at any time

[minor field]

Legacy cera getting a paper cut dies instantly

[tight iron]

minor inconvenience

[short reef]

If you alow a dilo to bite you twice without landing ant bites on it, you just suck hard mate

[cyan flame]

Because they don't want both, they want to make a survival game, not a death match game.

[minor field]

What if the dilo has like 5 buddies to back it up that can do that for him, guess i just die

[short reef]

Not since they butt intercoursed it with the last ”allo update”

[cyan flame]

You will be able to, later on, with mods and unofficial settings

[minor field]

It’s not like dilos formed gigantic groups or anything that completely enabled this stuff (:

[short reef]

Bruh, if you are solo cera vs 5 dilos, you should die

[limber hull]

this just in: legacy is a broken mess

[short reef]

Unledd you are clever snd use terrain

[minor field]

Even 1 buddy to back him up and you’re probably gonna die

[cyan flame]

But you do need to understand that the devs want a certain kind of game, and they're going to make that. They will allow mods so in the end, you can probably get your deathmatch, even if the game isn't officially like that

[minor field]

Or how an allo could bite a cera once then run away as it was struggling to catch up and the cera would just die to bleed (:

[limber hull]

honestly, the main complaint i'm taking from this ENTIRE conversation is

"EVRIMA isn't legacy"

[short reef]

Yea i guess, it will probalby make the current buggy hacking mess of evrime seam like a gem in comparison, but sure. Lets hope i havent died of old age by then

[minor field]

Evrima is a more fair game than legacy, therefore it’s trash

I can’t kill a fully grown rex with my raptor therefore it sucks

[cyan flame]

I mean, legacy had it's good points, we wouldn't be here if it didn't, and Evrima is lacking still. But if the thing you enjoyed is just fighting, then Evrima isn't really going to be for you, and I at least am happy with that. I prefer my survival game to be well, survival above all else.

[barren crater]

Should have seen allo on officials

See cera > run it down > maul it with alt turn

Art

Cera had 0 chance against a dedicated allo

[minor field]

As a cera main allo gives me ptsd

[barren crater]

Dw that won’t be changing

[short reef]

Bruh everything you say just screams that you are terrible in pvp 😂 i played legacy for more then 3k hours, majority of that as rex, not once did i die to a solo utah buttriding me

[lucid mauve]

Yoy saying cera should be tanking allo hits ?

[tight iron]

i have a question chat

what is the purpose of this discussion

what are yall even discussing at this point

[barren crater]

If it’s only a bite sure

[short reef]

He is just really terrible at pvp 😂

[limber hull]

or just you're bad at EVRIMA and good at Legacy and don't like the fact that you're bad at EVRIMA

[cyan flame]

You do realize using bugs, or otherwise unintended features, or removing intended features, does not speak well of anyones ability to do pvp. If you had to rely on broken hitboxes, or removed alt turn, you've just shown yourself to not be good at pvp.

[lucid mauve]

I agree on that, not like legacy where 1 hit and bleed out. But cera should have no buisniess going up vs an allo. You should be walking away as cera

[short reef]

What? So if i never died to solo utahs, im bad? Im confused

[tight iron]

^^

[barren crater]

Good question

[tight iron]

that screams chaos

[cyan flame]

No, it depends on how you achieved it. If the utahs had to play on a server without alt turn, they were bad. If you had to rely on broken hitboxes, you were bad. And so on.

[barren crater]

I agree

[barren crater]

Yes

[minor field]

Im saying it shouldn’t bleed out to like two bites

[tight iron]

minor inconvenience

[short reef]

What? 🤣

[minor field]

Oh yeah you didn’t die because you played the animal with the most broken hitbox in the game who was also the most op animal in the game (:

[short reef]

Are you denying skill issue beeing an existinf factor in legacy? Im confused

[lucid mauve]

two hits from allo ? That should hurt as hell, not die. But you gonna be running for your life.

[minor field]

You never died to raptors because the game was literally broken

[short reef]

Rex??? Bruh ive killed hundreds of rexes as trike, shant, theri

[minor field]

Yeah it should hurt but you shouldn’t bleed out to two bites

[limber hull]

i mean, legacy is essentially a skill vacuum

once you understand that you can clip through people and bite the tail tip for the same damage as biting the head, you now understand the crux of legacy combat

[tight iron]

literally the second you see an allo from any distance as cera you should go back to where you came from

[lucid mauve]

Why not?

[tight iron]

just like if you're a raptor in evrima and you see a carno pack you should just get the living hell outta there

[limber hull]

because that sucks lol

[barren crater]

Cera has bleed res

[cyan flame]

Basically, if you played on a server without alt turn, you've already ignored part of the game mechanics, which means any "skill" is... well, nothing to speak of. Which is also where most of the "Tailriding" happened. And if you had to rely on broken hitboxes, or sheer values of turn radiuses, that's also not skill, since the opposing player either can turn or can't. Sure, there's a bare minimum of skill, I guess, but nothing like what people pretend or like to claim.

[minor field]

Ah yes shant, the animal that was faster than Rex and could one shot a cama, ah yes theri the animal that could kill practically everything in a few seconds

[tight iron]

otherwise youre begging to die

[minor field]

Game balance

[barren crater]

Technically slower than Rex *

Sorry

[lucid mauve]

Yea, i dont want to play in pack of ceras and do 2-3 mistakes and still be fighting lol

[cyan flame]

You... realize that means nothing, since shant, and theri, were not balanced with rex and trike, right?

[minor field]

Oh right I forgot, Rex has the lighting fast ambush as well

[cyan flame]

Shant and theri remained balanced for prog, rex and trike got survival balance.

[limber hull]

ambush speed, another reason why legacy balance was a sickening cluster of unimaginable ass

[barren crater]

Nah base Rex was faster by like 1km/h

[short reef]

Hmm, funny how i have also killed countles shantsand theris as rex 🤔🤔

[cyan flame]

So ... yeah, some of those matchups aren't much to claim, since they weren't balanced stat wise in the first place for the encounter

RNG bonebreak xD

[limber hull]

i almost forgot about RNG bonebreak

[minor field]

Funny how you could leg break a shant then double bite it to death with nothing you they could do about it, and also Rex 3 shot theri

And to avoid the theri all you had to do was crouch in place and wait for your free win button to charge up (:

[short reef]

Yea, cuz al you need to do is walk right in to the shants face, bite him and then its over🤭

[lucid mauve]

You want pot balance or what ? Where you need to hit something like 10 times ?

[minor field]

LMAO WHAT

[limber hull]

not at all what he said but go off

[minor field]

I DONT EVEN PLAY POT

[short reef]

It was just that easy, i bet you did it al the time , right buddy?

[lucid mauve]

Tru it, think you like it

[tight iron]

harry pot

[limber hull]

no one is asking for balancing where it takes rex like 10 bites to kill a megalania

[lucid mauve]

But go off, what you mean ?

[cyan flame]

I mean, yeah, legacy was rather easy, and if you want to use matchups that aren't even balanced, well, that does not help your case

[minor field]

I did, and it made me feel empty inside and sad for the enemy because it doesn’t feel good to beat up a living punching bag

[limber hull]

i mean you are given my blessing to go off

[short reef]

I honeslty doubt you did that very often, but sure 👍

[cyan flame]

But, I'm not sure how this is even relevant. Evrima has far better combat overall, even if there are some... questionable mechanics still

[minor field]

I’d like for balance where you can take a reasonable amount of damage before dying, not so much to where it’s ridiculous but enough to where fights are fair, I don’t wanna bleed out in two hits because of terrible game balance.

[lucid mauve]

Ahh, dont need that. But you can

[tight iron]

can u give an example sire

[minor field]

I honestly doubt you won many fights in evrima because you seem to complain so much about its combat

[short reef]

”Skill issue” but sure

[limber hull]

example: allo should not bleed out cera in two bites

[minor field]

So wanting a balanced game is a skill issue 💀💀💀💀

[tight iron]

obviously

cera should bleed out only by seeing an allo near

without taking any hits

[lucid mauve]

I agree, but i do not want to fight something 2v1 or 3v1 knowing i can litterly just trade bites because we are more. Cus i dont even care if something bigger hits me, cus its so low dmg

[cyan flame]

Well, if you can't do well in Evrima, that'd also be a skill issue, no?

[tight iron]

evrima combat is way more balanced ngl

rappies cant do anything against a stego and that's reasonable

[minor field]

Big things don’t do little damage in this game, you probably haven’t played it enough to figure that out

[tight iron]

and good luck tailriding a stego 💀

[minor field]

Here’s a challenge for you, as a cera stick your head under its tail and figure out how much damage it does

[short reef]

No but dying al the time in pvp and blaming the game is 😂😂😂😂

[minor field]

*under a tenos tail

[tight iron]

honestly teno tail doesnt do that much damage

but kicks... oh boi 💀

[limber hull]

not true, raptors shred stego (because stego sucks ass atm)

it just requires a semi-skilled pack of raptors (which is very difficult for raptor mains)

[minor field]

Blaming the game for terrible design is a skill issue

I guess it’s a skill issue to get bled out in one bite by an allo you can’t catch or run from

[lucid mauve]

I got hit by a carno as omni, i didnt even care. Thats a giant compared to me. And what does hight dmg ?

[cyan flame]

To be fair, stego did better in legacy vs raptors than it does in evrima xD

[tight iron]

i beg to differ sire, if the stego has any idea regarding what he's doing, well, impossible to do anything

[minor field]

A carno bite does one third of an omnis health

Do you want everything to get one shot by eachother?

[minor field]

I guess it’s a skill issue to get nos hit from 10 miles away and killed instantly

[lucid mauve]

We are not talking one shot here, we are talking something that much bigger. You prob the guy who wanne facetank a trike as allo, and think it was skill since your alive.

[short reef]

You wanna know the difference between our arguments? I am conplaining because i dont like certain things because it limits the ability to do pvp. You are complaining because you died alot and blame the old game mechanics for your failure 😂

[cyan flame]

The old mechanics are to blame for a fair amount, or well, the lack of them rather

[limber hull]

you're literally complaining that EVRIMA isn't a combat game, which is actively wrong

[minor field]

Im complaining because in legacy you literally couldn’t play the game if you played as certain animals, im complaining about a terrible game’s mechanics getting me killed

[cyan flame]

But you can fight as well, better, in most cases in Evrima

[tight iron]

honestly that's pretty insane ngl

[cyan flame]

Can you fight as much? No. Can you fight better? Yes.

[tight iron]

funny tale, i was once mauling a carno 3 times my size, another carno came outta nowhere and 1 shot me 👍

(i was rappie im a rappie main)

[minor field]

Also also, I killed plenty of people with those terrible game mechanics and still didn’t feel great because I don’t feel good about instantly killing someone because of broken game mechanics

[short reef]

Still it didnt get me killed? So why is that?

[tight iron]

the carno that 1 shot me was small btw

[minor field]

Because you played rex, the literal most overpowered thing in the game ofc your view is gonna be skewed in favor of a terrible game

[lucid mauve]

overpowered lol.

[minor field]

And also that is a lie lmao you’ve died to completely bs in the game and refuse to state it because it favors your argument (:

[midnight hedge]

@prisma ermine

[minor field]

Yeah the animal that could chase down most of the mid tiers and oneshot almost the entire roster was overpowered

[barren crater]

Let’s just say if hitboxes were fair, those apexes would be trash

[cyan flame]

Does it really matter? The fact is, Evrimas combat is better than legacys in most aspects. And while there were a bare minimum of skill in legacy as well, "tailriding" was not part of skill

[minor field]

This is true

[cyan flame]

That'd be giga, rather than rex

[lucid mauve]

buhu, did you get caught offguard? Ofcourse its gonna insta kill you, what it supose to do? Scare you, so you can run away ?

[minor field]

Oh right I almost forgot, thank you erik

[limber hull]

erm actually its the SECOND most overpowered only to giga

[short reef]

But my dear friend, i played tons of other things aswell, shant, trike, theri, giga. An i killed tons of rexes. Are you gonna say that when i win as rex, its cuz of broken mechanics, and when i win as trike, its also cuz of mechanics? 🤣

[minor field]

Man the giga trotting me down for miles away really caught me off guard, really scared me, so much I could do in that interaction there (:

[cyan flame]

Overall, giga was by far the better hunter, and general nuisance, and it had way better alt than rex did, so if rex was hard to touch, giga was closer to impossible

[minor field]

Yeah probably because the hit reg is broken and all of those animals you listed have their own broken jank as well

[cyan flame]

And considering both the high biteforce and bleed, you pretty much one shot as good as rex, just with a little bit of a delay :p

[minor field]

Like giga trotting down every animal in the game and having insane damage and bleed and Rexes terrible hitbox

Or theri with its literal randomized damage that could potentially one shot an apex

[short reef]

So you admit, when ever i won a fight in legacy it was because i had mechanic advantages?

[lucid mauve]

I never had problem with getting walked down by gigas, only with sucho i had problem with it.

[minor field]

Because you abused broken mechanics to win (:

[short reef]

😂😂😂😂

[minor field]

It’s almost like that’s legacy combat in a nutshell

[white mauve]

I'm seeing a lot of people complaining about needing to land and then take off again to eat every fish as ptera (and losing tons of stam in the process). Have you guys not been dropping piles of fish away from the water and then landing & eating them all at once? I've found ptera's stam to be punishing at times but not horrifically unbalanced.

[minor field]

Legacy combat is literally abusing broken mechanics to win so it’s rather fitting

[lucid mauve]

So you suggest a rex ambush you as mid tier, then you run away ? Since its not gonna kill you

[short reef]

And what is evrima combat?

[minor field]

Using actual skill to win instead of relying on janky hitboxes and tail riding

You’re using non broken mechanics to kill your opponents

[minor field]

The thing is rex could crouch in the middle of a field, charge its ambush and then kill you depending on what you were

Oh right rex also had a longer ambush duration so that’s fun (:

[lucid mauve]

What is skill? Rex needs to get close, that means hiding and timing and patience is key. If it connects, skill should not be as importent if you are talking about mechanics etc

[cyan flame]

Only if you got within strike range, stay out of that, it couldn't get you

[tight iron]

i go to water access lake where you can get your food up without spending much stamina

[minor field]

Still the fact that it could do that anyway was absurd

[tight iron]

and then finish the eatin with some birds once ive grown a lil

[cyan flame]

And then there was the funny ava that would spawn in and shout, so everyone would know you were there ^^

[white mauve]

Goated ptera growth strat

[minor field]

There should be skill and fairness in the game, a rex shouldn’t be able to crouch in the open not even trying to get the drop on you and still get you

[cyan flame]

True, the ambush mechanic was kind of silly, but that really applied to all playables.... seeing them crouch around in the open xD

[tight iron]

or literally just get a fish put it down and wait a few mins for silly birds to spawn then eat em all

[limber hull]

nuh uh, only carnivores get ambush (except carno we hate that guy)

[lucid mauve]

lol yes, my hearth still hurts after all those scarepranks

[minor field]

Legacy is such a fair game am I right such a skilled and fair experience (:

[short reef]

Man it sounds like Legacy was really tough for you lmao 🤣

[cyan flame]

Part of why I liked carno the most xD

[lucid mauve]

If a rex mange to sneak up on me in the open, he defintly deserves that kill on me lol. If i was that stupid and did not look around

[minor field]

Whenever I played as anything that wasn’t rex or giga it was, almost like the game was completely unfair and unbalanced (:

[minor field]

They weren’t even sneaking up on you, they stared at you dead in the eye while charging your ambush and you just had to watch as they zoomed over and killed you

[lucid mauve]

But i dont need to use that as omni, i can litterly run brainless around looking for prey. With insane stam and agility, thats op compared to a rex. The fight, yes you need to use more skill as omni.

[minor field]

Oh no I’ve spotted the rex, oh well guess I die

[minor field]

Omni is NOT brainless lmao

[cyan flame]

Considering how short that ambush was, you kind of had to let the rex get you

[short reef]

Funny, that could almost be called skill issue

[lucid mauve]

Yes, if a rex sneaks up on you in the open. lol you deserve to die, cus you dont have the skill to look around lol

[cyan flame]

If you couldn't stay outside of striking distance, that's kind of on you

[minor field]

It had an extended ambush duration and as certain things you physically couldn’t get away from the rex you had to sit there and watch it kill you

[cyan flame]

Also dilo, carno, maia, utah and probably one or two more did fine in legacy

[cyan flame]

It did not. It had a grand total of 5 seconds of ambush

[short reef]

Emagine not beeing able to have the map awareness to spor a crouching rex in the open 😂

[minor field]

Ah yep mb lemme just teleport away from the Rexes real quick

[cyan flame]

You could easily stay out of it's reach

[lucid mauve]

I didnt say that, but they have alot of luxery that bigger dinos dont have.

[barren crater]

6

[cyan flame]

*anymore

[short reef]

Lmao, it has the slowest trott of almost every dino and no stam lmao

[cyan flame]

Fine! xD

[minor field]

What if I’m playing as something like a sub trike and I’m staring directly at the rex I know is there just watching it prepare to kill me

Damn bro skill issue on my part

Should’ve just turned on my speed hacks

[cyan flame]

Then you die, because well, subs weren't that good

[short reef]

This guy 😂😂😂

[barren crater]

Ngl no one should have died to Rex

[cyan flame]

Did you ever try out subgiga? xD

[short reef]

Hillarious

[minor field]

Yeah, it’s misery

[lucid mauve]

Imagine me playing sub cera,and meeting 2 grown omnis.

[cyan flame]

At least subrex was good

[short reef]

Bruh sub giga is gigachad!

[barren crater]

Sub Rex was better than full grown lol

[lucid mauve]

I sometimes just played that lol

[minor field]

Sub cera can actually kill two omnis funnily enough

[limber hull]

why did this ENTIRE conversation have a meltdown into "who's the bestest at legacy combat"

[short reef]

So strong, if you know how to ”explot broken mechanics” ofc lmao

[lucid mauve]

And cera full grown juvi, loved it

[barren crater]

Why not. You don’t get it often

[minor field]

Except that’s all you do in legacy-

[lucid mauve]

Yes, but its the point. That survival, its rng.

[short reef]

Yea you are right, im like Gandalf, i just raise my staff anf break al the damn mechanics

[lucid mauve]

I dont know whats around the corner, and i can be unlucky lol

[minor field]

Because it’s truly a skill based immersive game with no flaws in it at all and evrima sucks compared to it

[limber hull]

i forgot that all its technical and design problems can be chalked up to a skill issue

because when a game's skill ceiling boils down to how well you can exploit unintended interactions, that's how you KNOW it's good

[minor field]

Or in this case you look up and down once and break your hitbox

[short reef]

Like when i played on legacy, gravity didnt work cuz i broke it. I would literally fly around as rex, /slaying everyone

Lmao

[minor field]

Truly a masterpiece

[cyan flame]

Honestly, none of it really matters, because if you compare and contrast, Evrima is by far more developed and better in pretty much all aspects

So no matter how good you might have been at legacy combat, you'd be even more impressive in Evrima combat

[short reef]

Not acording to the majority of the community

[minor field]

What majority are you talking about dude

[short reef]

Thats just like your oppinion man

[lucid mauve]

I think we all agree that skill needs to be in, and it is. But we have diffrent views on it, lets see how it ends up. For me im guessing anky gonna need a whole new skill set then omnis to survive etc.

Like fighting as omni require a whole diffrent skill then defending as anky

[cyan flame]

No, it's pretty much objective fact, you can compare and contrast any mechanic and see which of the gamemodes has it most developed,and offering the most potential, and so on. Also "majority of the community" means.... well, not the most. Majority does not equal being right, after all.

[shrewd atlas]

That's what Im saying!

[minor field]

Oh well it won’t really matter in the end since the game is on life support and gonna get axed in the end

[barren crater]

Ah

I’d call it limbo

[short reef]

Did i tell you about the time when dondi had to ban me for breaking the legacy universe? Like i was abusing every possible mechanic so hard that the entire server died instantly

[minor field]

Well probably not deleted but evrima is gonna develop to the point where legacy is gonna be obsolete

[shrewd atlas]

Guys this conversation is useless and is going nowhere, give it a break

[barren crater]

Legend

[minor field]

I shall

[white mauve]

Why do people keep insisting the game is dying in some way??? Not sure how anyone can see it that way

[barren crater]

But but but

[cyan flame]

You can fight in both game versions, Evrimas combat is more developed, with unique abilities, collision, new bleed system and so on. You can nest in both game versions, Evrimas nesting is more developed, with building a nest, both male and female being needed, caring for the nest, feeding the hatchlings and so on. And you can compare most things, in most cases, Evrima is more developed and has more potential than Legacy have.

[short reef]

Theres a statue of me at Gf from this, true story

[lucid mauve]

Because "community" dont like the changes the devs do sometimes, and they say its dying.

[barren crater]

So true

[limber hull]

because I don't like it and I am the target audience

[short reef]

Many becaosue the player count is down?

But, i dont know

[limber hull]

the player count goes down after every major update

[short reef]

Lmao

Yea wonder why 😂

[cyan flame]

How low is the current count then?

[limber hull]

in fact, this is a regular trend and honestly nothing to be really worried about

[cyan flame]

Because I think we've been relatively steady on 5-6K or so?

[short reef]

I bet thats what you tell yourself

[lucid mauve]

When more dinos comes , more players comes. Most i know are waiting for more mid tiers etc

[limber hull]

happened with your beloved legacy too

hypetrains are a powerful thing. You get your new shiny dino and everyone comes flocking

[short reef]

The ammount pf active players have dropped HARD since evrima came out

So yea

[minor field]

I honestly feel bad for legacy players game because Jesus Christ that game is just INFESTED with those Chinese servers and duplicate servers and it must be an actual pain to play the game

[limber hull]

the game reached its peak playerbase in EVRIMA's lifespan what

[cyan flame]

I think it was one of Evrimas updates that had the highest playercount ever?

[short reef]

Yea in the behgining

When it was hyped af

[cyan flame]

I would play it, if there were any server applying only official rules and standards and nothing else.

[short reef]

But then when ppl starting to play it, it was a fiasko lmao

I can still remember the backfire upon relase

[cyan flame]

oh yeah, the evrima release was interesting xD

[short reef]

Jesus

Yea lmao, total fiasko

[lucid mauve]

I play pot , and hopefully in a few evrima updates it feels like fresh air coming back

[barren crater]

Update 3 had peak players. 6.5 has the second highest peak, which was close to overtaking the previous peak

[cyan flame]

And yet, we've come a long way from then

[minor field]

We had 11,000 players in 6.5

That’s kinda nuts

[minor field]

Oh god

[barren crater]

Should have cooked more

Horrible

[lucid mauve]

I was dumb when it realesed, cus i tho it would be much more to it lol

[barren crater]

Update 2 should have been the release

[minor field]

I couldn’t play release evrima but Jesus I feel bad for everyone who did

[barren crater]

Dryo release

[lucid mauve]

Think its along way until we get a decent ecoystem, with mid tiers/small/apexes etc

[barren crater]

One of my evrima mains until the great horror of update

5

[minor field]

How bad was 5 again, pc broke down before I was able to play it all I heard bout it was the awful night vision and food

[short reef]

Well, its been like what, 3 ish years? And the number one killer in Evrima is still crashes and buggs

[barren crater]

Might have been 6 actually

But they lowered dryos speed

Autocorrect

[minor field]

Update 6 was actually when I returned to the game and I’m so sad I returned at that time

Like

[barren crater]

Early Evrima dryo was speedy. Faster than Omni iirc

Then it became same speed

[minor field]

I hadn’t been keeping up with any isle news so my first experience with evrima in over a year was insta accel carno

[barren crater]

Now it’s slower

[minor field]

Well semi insta accel

[barren crater]

Forced to deal with Omni pin that teleport grabs you

[lucid mauve]

I think i started in 2018 with legacy, and im sure i saw "recode" was announced then atleast.

[shrewd atlas]

When would you say the Isle peaked so far?

[minor field]

I started in like late to early 2017 ish

[minor field]

Not sure honestly

[barren crater]

Pachy release idc

[minor field]

Maybe Update 3? Idk

[lucid mauve]

Yea, im not sure if "recode" was then ?

[barren crater]

When pachy released in Evrima lol

[lucid mauve]

Like announced

[barren crater]

It was the best time

[minor field]

Yknow what that’s actually so correct

[barren crater]

Bush goblin

[minor field]

The more I think about it

Cause pachy was just the most fun and refreshing playable we had in a long time

Instantly fell in love with it

[barren crater]

2 shotting 600kg~ carnos

Peak

[minor field]

Jumping groups of carnos with your pachy squad was so fun

Also the stress test leading up to Pachy’s release

That wasn’t peak but for me I think like

[barren crater]

Mech test Carno with fractures

[minor field]

I miss it in the sense that it was probably the most wild time for the game

[barren crater]

Nah update 4 was the best lol

[minor field]

There were so many dumb things added each week into the stress test

[barren crater]

Yeah lol

[minor field]

Juvie deinos grabbing fully grown carnos

[barren crater]

10%….

Pachy now tho …

[minor field]

Yeah update 4 and u4 mechanic test was the most fun for me

[barren crater]

https://tenor.com/view/itsover-wojack-gif-4367840179675491690

[minor field]

It wasn’t even mechanically the best thing it was just pure fun

[barren crater]

How do you go from insane damage to a pillow

[minor field]

A pillow that hugs your legs till they snap

[barren crater]

Fun

[minor field]

Pachy could use a damage buff honestly

Kinda ridiculous how it takes like

[barren crater]

Haven’t heard that in a while

[minor field]

4 rams to kill a raptor

[barren crater]

Cool fact. Base of the tail does 0 damage now

[minor field]

I had fun with 6.5 for like two weeks before realizing its flaws

[barren crater]

Deals knockdowns but

[minor field]

What.

[barren crater]

And fractures

No damage

[minor field]

Base of the tail used to deal damage and fractures before WHYYYYYY

[barren crater]

I don’t report anymore so eh

There’s a few quirky bugs that are in the game that have been in for a few builds

One that makes Carno strong

[minor field]

Insta charge carno

[barren crater]

Well 2 things

Insta charge is 1

The other I’m not saying

I’ll have it until it’s gone

[minor field]

Terrified for what it could be

Oh yeah funny thing I figured out

[barren crater]

Instant turns is the hint

[minor field]

While charging into a tenos tail is bad it’ll still do damage and for some reason if a teno cancels your charge out with a tail slam you actually get to your charge back because…???

[desert arch]

Oh I sure love that bug, very fun and fair

[barren crater]

Isle

[minor field]

So in some cases it’s actually beneficial to do this so you can get your insane damage button back and try again but also stam is a factor so it don’t really matter

If you’re playing with a buddy though it’s absolute misery to fight against

[barren crater]

Charge is mid. Embrace abusing bugs

[minor field]

Gonna become the nod biting quadruple hitting legacy player but for evrima carno

[barren crater]

Amen

[barren crater]

So cool

Anyways peace

[minor field]

I return to the void now

[nimble umbra]

Damn i missed the legacy vs evrima pvp "discussion". Would have loved to weigh in on how much skill expressive and fair legacy combat was

[nimble umbra]

We struck gold with that update

[tender latch]

#general-feedback message
@hybrid mica Despite several people disliking this idea, it would actually be really cool because nothing like that has been seen in a game before

[minor field]

You weren’t missing out on much

[normal lotus]

@tender latch while not venomous quills. Having some porcupine quills would be interesting. Though maybe perhaps something more...interesting. one of the main things about psittacosaurus is its insane diversification. Maybe a kinda class system that the gen 1 have but for psittacosaurus species?

Like psittacosaurus mongoliensis being the base model. With specializations off of it?

Psittacosaurus sinensis: a smaller psittacosaurus that while it lacks much defenses, it is a master at burrowing and can farm fungi a la leafcutter ants.

Psittacosaurus sibiricus: the largest type of psittacosaurus that is much more defensive thanks to its tail bristles being much thicker like porcupine spikes, and small horns that help resist damage.

And maybe psittacosaurus major being a more stealthy build thanks to a design that helps blend in with the forests

[iron basin]

Wait how many species is there for psittacosaurus, I remember someone saying there was like 150 💀

[normal lotus]

12 confirmed species.

[iron basin]

Still alot

[normal lotus]

Mightve been referring to the specimen count which is around 200+ individual specimens

[iron basin]

I could see venomous quills being a mutation specific for psittacosaurus tho

[normal lotus]

Sibiricus perhaps?

[urban flax]

I'm on the side of taco having venomous quills

Imagine
We have a cool and bad-ass venom mechanic that can provide multiple effects and entirely change how you fight a creature in this game ! Venom can entirely transform an animal and its match-up into something completely different !
We gave it to... one small-tier nocturnal hunter, one small-tier nocturnal hunter, and one small-tier unviable animal

Did you guys know that in nature, venom is actually used more for defense rather than hunting ?

And like too often herbis get the short end of the stick, as we have 3 venomous carnis, 0 venomous omnivores and 0 venomous herbivores
MAYBE we will have poison magy
But that's a big maybe

[sudden hinge]

@barren zephyr in all seriousness what do you think deino is it’s a water ambush predator giving it good stam on land and good water is so dumb

[normal lotus]

@rugged notch I think for the thirst drain it makes kinda sense since they're kinda supposed to be more located around rivers, lakes, swamps, etc.

[rugged notch]

kind of yeah,but still.

[shrewd atlas]

Was this on the hordetest?

[rugged notch]

no,regular. 0.10% second drain or more i guess. way too much.

wiki says 30min drain time,cerato has 45min

[pulsar pivot]

Anyone else as herrera on hordetesting that get kicked everytime you jump from tree to tree or cliff to cliff?

[normal lotus]

Mhm, it's a bug and has been submitted. I suggest submitting it too.

[pulsar pivot]

I did 🙂

[normal lotus]

Good, now we wait.

[pulsar pivot]

Glad i am not the only one

@normal lotus I just had an update and it seems to be working for now

[normal lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-jetstreamsam-yes-i-like-that-gif-24990765

[graceful raven]

this is so unserious i cant believe this made me laugh

[lucid robin]

we have no proof that dilo didn't have a frill... technically, it could have, if the skin always rotted away and all we got were bone fossils and no skin imprints. it cooould have had a frill
#general-feedback message

[lyric pollen]

we dont need another jp clone

[lucid robin]

they could make it unique

its not like there's only one type of frill in the entire world

also just imagine this but dilo-sized

thatd be so badass

oooo found a prettier one

anyway

[young veldt]

Maybe bring it to another dino, imagine it for Herrera? Would’ve been dope. But the dewlap is cool too

[lucid robin]

OHH IMAGINE A FRILL LIKE THAT GLOWING LIKE THE HERRERA DEWLAP IN THE COOL YELLOW/GREEN GLOWY WAVES

[young veldt]

THAT WOULD BE FREAKING COOL

I didn’t even think of that

[lucid robin]

I REALLY WANT THAT NOW OMG

[young veldt]

Mods to the rescue

[lucid robin]

helllll yeah

[young veldt]

I shall begin work

[lucid robin]

fr fr?

[young veldt]

Maybe, I have no clue on how to model in unreal engine, but I’ll figure it out. This is too good to ignore

[lucid robin]

yess legend

[lucid robin]

remember me when/if u make that mod, and ping me! ima save this conversation in a screenshot so i remember too

[young veldt]

Ight

[midnight perch]

I would like to know what the size and weight of the tyrannosaurus will be when it is released, it would really be very sad if the devs destroyed the reslism and scientifically accurate information in favor of a bizarre balance for the game

[young veldt]

Half the things in this game aren’t scientifically accurate

The “dinosaurs” aren’t even dinosaurs

[modern coral]

How to fix the DX12 thin for emvira

[icy lion]

What GPU do you have?

[modern coral]

Quadro K5200

[icy lion]

That can't run evrima, I'm sorry

[modern coral]

Will a 1070 TI work?

[icy lion]

Yup!

[modern coral]

ok thanks

[neon surge]

*snakes use venom for hunting
also dilo is kinda a small-mid tier, and psiticco isnt even released yet so idk what you mean by unviable lol, itll probably be a lot better in evrima than legacy. Also poisionous is very different from venomous and who knows maybe we will get some poisionous herbis, but idk a lot of the herbi roster that would really seem to fit a defensive poisionous creature playstyle. I just dont know if dinosaurus like para were poisionous lol (also venom IS used more for hunting, poision is a defensive weapon however compared to venom : compare poision dart frogs to snakes and you'll see what I mean)

[limber hull]

dilo ain't a midtier lol

anything below 1 ton def ain't a midtier

given that not even cerato is a midtier

[neon surge]

I mean because dilo is kinda large for a small creature, not to mention its footsteps are quite stompy

[young veldt]

cerato is on the smaller end of midtier

[neon surge]

and if cera is classified as a midtier and dilo is around the same size I would say dilo is a small-midtier

meaning its NOT FULLY a midtier

so there, idk why that was hard to understand if it was lol

[neon surge]

true

[icy lion]

I wouldn't call cera a mid, and dilo is half its size

But tiers are lame and fake and totally subjective

[young veldt]

Cerato could be considered pseudo mid

[young veldt]

[valid delta]

If it bites you, it's venom, if you bite it, its poison.

[neon surge]

true lol

[neon surge]

exactly

[neon surge]

I would say cera is mid because, at least in 6.5, cera could 1v1 a carno if it was good and its not exactly a slim creature nor is it squishy, its very tanky for its size in some situations, and imo dilo in terms of height is around ceras size, of course if were doing weight then yeah cerato is a lot heavier but Im not gonna go deep into paleontology or anything Im no paleonerd but imo dilo is more than half of ceratos length, could be wrong if I compared them but from my memory dilo and cera are pretty comparable, with cerato being larger

[icy lion]

Size=weight

I don't even consider carno to be a midtier tbh

[limber hull]

its still not a mid because stuff like allosaurus is a mid, and allosaurus crushes cerato no contest

[icy lion]

But that's just me

[limber hull]

like there's no world where cerato beats allo given its stats

[still latch]

@full pewter you know it probably rains alot because thier testing rain on the hord ||test||server

[young veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/ceratosaurus-tyrannosaurus-brawl-fighting-jurassic-world-evolution-gif-13827134

[still latch]

@slender slate you know it probably rains alot because thier testing rain on the hord ||test||server

[full pewter]

They’re testing something? Didn’t know that, what are they testing?

[still latch]

Lol

You still alive?

[barren crater]

@glass canyon What do you mean? Is the teno stunning you?

[north quiver]

#general-feedback message

yea I got the same question lol is the teno stunning you the issue or is your own attacks actually keeping you from moving somehow?

[glass canyon]

absolutely not. It's just crap when you attack the teno and then can't move for seconds. In addition, the teno reacts far too quickly.

[barren crater]

What do you mean you can't move though. Is there a bug :O

[glass canyon]

Idk it feels stuck for a moment. Maybe 3 seconds with no reaction.

[full pewter]

Do you mean the bite cooldown?

They upped it in the test, dw I don’t agree with it either

[glass canyon]

No, when i Attack and bite i cant run Away after biting. It feels that im stuck in the Dino i Attack and bite.

[icy lion]

Are you using alt bites?

[glass canyon]

Just when i dont run or walk.

[lucid robin]

bite cooldown should NOT have been altered at all-

if its not reverted istg

[latent olive]

@hazy swan rejoin the server repeatedly

[hazy swan]

I tried that, lost dino :/ thanks for the suggestion though.

[urban flax]

I didn't say venom wasn't used for hunting. I said it was more used as a defensive measure. And I wasnt talking about psittaco when I was talking about an unviable animal, but about megalania.

[latent olive]

megalania ?

[urban flax]

Unviable

[latent olive]

i see

do not check under your bed later

[urban flax]

I mean
If people can say magy is unviable when it isn't even out, then so can I with megalania

Actually I wonder how will megalania survive an encounter with a magy

[latent olive]

both question their viability before deciding “yeahnah” then blowing up

[barren crater]

Koni has my thumbnail but edited as their pic. I cooked with that image

[shrewd atlas]

#general-feedback message @solar elbow This still happens

I hear it as Omni all the time

Maybe it's a little to quiet tho for dinos with longer and louder 1 calls

[urban flax]

@lyric pollen And make it so pachy can only use its defensive ability to hunt things, and not defensively ?

[limber hull]

lol

i almost upvoted that till i read the second portion

[lyric pollen]

?

isnt that pachys whole thing tho? it hits you first before u can hit it?

[urban flax]

No
Pachy's whole thing is hitting things that come at it

[lyric pollen]

i thought it was an aggresive herbivore?

[urban flax]

so what ?

[lyric pollen]

making it be able to hit it instatnly would be a good thing right

[urban flax]

Does that warrant making it unable to use its ability in a defensive manner ?

[urban flax]

no ?

I would instead make pachy unable to charge its ram while sprinting

[lyric pollen]

why?

[urban flax]

Isn't your problem that it runs things down ?

[lyric pollen]

problem is that pachy isnt rewarded properly, its almost always a trade off when ramming things

[urban flax]

I agree with that
Not the second part of your feedback

[lyric pollen]

you have a point

i will edit it

[gray oak]

How to make pachy useless 1 on 1

removing its ability to attack while sprinting, idk what i just read waking up, but im leaving again, this place doesnt have sane people

[hidden mist]

@light rock river delta that is near the swamp (tenos have migration zone there) has the same problem by the way, like dropping your fps by ~20 when viewing it from above or walking near the river itself. My experience though says that “Effects” setting is to blame for this, try to put that on [Medium] preset and you’ll see more stable fps overall. At least that helped for me.

And even though “Foliage Physics” will be completely disabled upon doing this (because this setting activation is completely tied to the “Effects” for some freaky reason), I don’t think that’s what causes lack of fps, because vegetation only moves in certain radius around the player. I consider that fps drops are caused by some water reflections (hence fps drops mostly happen at swamp or delta with large amount of water), which turn on when you put “Effects” to [High] or [Epic] presets.

[shrewd atlas]

Ahh thanks, I didn't even have to say anything ^^

[lyric spoke]

lmao such a mood

[tepid gate]

Ceratosaurus is in fact a slim theropod. It's also taller than Dilo by a pretty big margin and has a deeper chest. It's not heavier because it's particularly wider than Dilo.

[full pewter]

It is wider in game than the real animal, but you are right

[tepid gate]

it does seem to be a bit wider in game than in real life, that is true

Idk if it actually is wider as I haven't tried to juxtapose it with a skeletal though

[full pewter]

Primeval horizon cerato is a good example of what an accurate one would look like

[tepid gate]

let me check if it's the one I'm thinking of

yea, that's the one, indeed it's much better

[tepid gate]

I checked it, I've seen it before and it looks far more like the real animal

is that game playable now btw?

[full pewter]

Not yet no, they’ve recently partnered with the team behind prehistoric kingdom so that gets me excited, should play a lot like evrima so I’m extra excited

[tepid gate]

oh, that's so cool

[full pewter]

They have their own discord if you wanna keep up with the news

[tepid gate]

hmmm, I will probably enter it when the game comes out I just need to make sure I can see when it releases on steam

but I will check the discord too at some point

It has Torvosaurus and Saurophaganax, right?

[full pewter]

They’ve recently announced that it’ll have bosses, and one of them will be allo

[full pewter]

Torvo yes, sauro idk

[tepid gate]

damn it, Sauro had to be from some other game

but Torvo being there is already a big win, also we should move to offtopic as this isn't the right channel to discuss this

dw mods, we're out of here

[neon surge]

Ok yall are getting more and more technical, I didn't particularly mean cerato is fat, but in terms of weight etc it's quite a bit bigger than dilo, but not a whole lot taller. Which is why I say cerato is a small mid tier and dilo is also a small, MAYBE small mid tier. Because dilo is bigger than omni, but smaller than cerato. But like the other guy said, tiers are kinda lame.

[tepid gate]

it is quite a bit taller actually as I said

[neon surge]

Not really, I the isle at least

[tepid gate]

iirc it's got some 30cm in hip height on it, which might seem like it's not that much but when you look at an object that's 3 dimensional then being 1/6th taller actually increases the volume by a lot

it also has a deeper torso

[neon surge]

People were saying cerato was small, not much taller than omni, and dilo is taller than omni, so I would say that's similar size range HEIGHT wise.

[tepid gate]

but it is still a slim theropod when you compare it to the likes of Allosaurus, Albertosaurus or even Carnotaurus for that matter

[tepid gate]

it has been for a long time

the specimen that resulted in its size increase is due to a skull that was found in a private collection like last year

or two years ago

[neon surge]

You just said cera was taller than dilo lol my point was that it wasn't a whole lot taller

[tepid gate]

Cera is a good bit taller than Dilo if you upscale the more complete specimens to the size of the skull

Ceratosaurus has a number of specimens ranging from some 600kg(very much Dilo-size) to now 1.35t

[neon surge]

Look I don't know a whole lot about paleontology, I'm just comparing the game version, because someone else said dilo was a small tier when imo it was comparable to cera in size

[tepid gate]

well, it is treated as a small tier

it is not that small that it can't be compared to Ceratosaurus

both of them dwarf Utahraptor/Omniraptor based on the new estimates

even though they used to be about their size back in the day

Cerato especially got quite a bit bigger

note that we have only 1 adult Dilo specimen

[icy lion]

Oh is ~1.3 cera more credible now?

[tepid gate]

it has been for some time

[icy lion]

Last I heard 1.3 was speculation

Gotcha

[tepid gate]

that's why it's that in the game I thought

[neon surge]

Ah

Makes sense

[tepid gate]

it's somewhere in the 1.3t-1.45t range

afaik

it's effectively a skull that appears to be larger than the 1.1t C. dentisulcatus that was famous for being the largest Ceratosaurus before

[neon surge]

Again I'm just comparing the in game models, not anything from real life, besides I don't know a whole lot on the paleontological side of it lol

[icy lion]

I think it's more important to compare their weights as that determines health and CC resistance

Visual size means nothing

Quetz is sure as hell taller than carno, but it's definitely not as strong

[tepid gate]

I can tell you that even in the game Ceratosaurus is not a particularly wide animal, it's at best maybe, perhaps about as broad as Carno which isn't particularly impressive

Allosaurus and Albertosaurus will very likely be wider with the latter being the widest mid tier

[barren zephyr]

I didnt say that i want these stats to be buffed tho, mb if you thought that i wanted them buffed 😅

I agree, Dienos should not have land buffs but a less stamina useage buff in water and a lil attack buff would be cool

Seems like i gotta rewrite my feedback, mb for the confusion lol

[still latch]

What ever you guys just did , changing time from day to night on hord test just froze my whole computer

[still latch]

I swear game bugs every time its starts to rain ,

Or storm for that matter

Whole pc freeze

[lucid robin]

teno mains are gonna despise my newest suggestion lol

i bet its gonna get a lotta downvotes

[limber hull]

probably because unnecessarily nerfing that attack is a bizarre request

[lucid robin]

even if the nerf shouldn't be that dramatic, it should be nerfed a little, because being 5 feet away from the actual body of the teno and getting knocked flat on your back from it slamming its tailtip down onto you is pretty ridiculous, no?

assuming you're omniraptor sized or larger

..come to think of it the hitboxes in the isle do generally have problems

for all dinos really

[limber hull]

reminding you this is the game where a juvi 50kg cerato can bite a 6000kg adult stegosaurus and make it puke

[lucid robin]

lmao good point.

it has... a lot of problems

shivers

[limber hull]

having the tail slam be even WORSE is such a strange request. Its primary value as an attack is its range, and now you're removing that. It effectively is just becoming one of teno's worst options

[lucid robin]

it just doesn't make much sense unless you made the tail chunkier or smt for the end to knock you down

i mean stunning maybe

[limber hull]

this game doesn't make much sense in general

[lucid robin]

its just not heavy enough to knock stuff down realistically

[limber hull]

realism is a weak argument whenever we're talking about The Isle

[lucid robin]

if you can't rely on realism at least a little in argument, though, then all you can rely on is whatever the devs decide to pull out of their... eh... pockets lol

[limber hull]

realistically, every charging carnotaurus should die instantly of a snapped neck, every falling herrerasaurus should be crushed upon impact with the flloor, every pachy ram should also be crushing its neck, omniraptor and troodon shouldn't exist, dilo would not have its entire main gimmick, and tenonto would not be able to knock down at tailtip

So unless we want a more boring game, let's not go down the rocky road of realism

[lucid robin]

realism as far as "realistic dinosaurs and dinosaur abilities" is what is the problem. however, certain realism, like dinosaurs' weight, is kind of something you want in this type of game. unless you want PoT where a tiny raptor can kill a rex lol

also idk about that pachy ram thing. aren't they made to ram stuff and fight with their heads?

cuz boney reasons

[normal lotus]

Hey I made a suggestion for taco.

[limber hull]

they have the head as a swinging weapon, not a battering ram

[latent olive]

SUBCLASSES

[normal lotus]

SUBCLASSES INDEED.

[lucid robin]

i like it

[lucid robin]

i see what u mean there

[normal lotus]

Why thank you good sir.

Ironically enough the sibiricus model I yoinked from prehistoric kingdom does not have bristles.

[barren crater]

Of course? Who would want a change for no good reason

[lucid robin]

non-teno mains

[barren crater]

Well a lot of people want the game to be easier so makes sense

[limber hull]

i dont main teno, i still dont like the suggestion

i just think its an unnecessary nerf that only makes teno more prey item

[lucid robin]

yeah, i mean i wont really be unhappy if it isn't changed, as it was just a thought I had, but I still think the tail slam should be edited somehow. i've seen tail slam hits where not even the TAIL TIP hit the person, and they still got knocked down

[still latch]

@fathom moth do you think a ptera has similar flight mobility as a bat?

[fathom moth]

i would say its impossible to know

[still latch]

From any other flying animal would you say bata are the closest?

Im just trying to figure out how you might think a pterodactyl can take off from water

[fathom moth]

im saying what people have researched, not my opinion

[still latch]

Can you please link that said research

I would do my own , but i dont want to search down a rabbit hole

[feral solstice]

That’s either desync or arbitrarily long hitboxes.
But changing the hitbox completely takes away tailslam as being remotely useful

Because the change your suggesting is literally the exact same hitbox as the kick, Yknow, the strong weapon a teno has.

[shrewd atlas]

@hybrid mica Legacy is barely functional rn without thirdparty assitance

[hybrid mica]

i never had issues with picking up food and getting stuck when trying to interact with things? i dont see how legacy isnt functional

[shrewd atlas]

Well most of the time the server list doesn't even load for people and even when it does all of the servers are Chinese

[hybrid mica]

servers being Chinese isn't an issue since you can still play the game but server issues on evrima still happen

[urban flax]

they're fake servers

[hybrid mica]

how can a server be fake?

[limber hull]

idk the exact specifics but those servers are indeed fake

they're primarily used as "gatweway" servers to redirect you to the true main server, with fake player numbers and server counts

at worst, they're IP loggers

[latent olive]

The same thing is applied in Rising Storm 2: Vietnam, where the “MEGA” servers are actually redirectors to a single server

[hybrid mica]

How come these servers don’t appear on. Evrima

[limber hull]

likely because EVRIMA doesn't have super exploitable server lists

there's likely a security flaw in Legacy's server list that allows that

[hybrid mica]

kk

[tepid gate]

desync is one hell of a drug, especially in this game. I've seen Stego swing at the air and then people teleport on its thagomizer 5 seconds later. I've been myself grabbed by Deino which bit 5 yards behind me just for me to teleport into its jaws as an Omni a couple of seconds later.

This is just... #401464048610312194.

Par for the course in this game

It's responsiveness and the issues with connection are probably the biggest issues in the game altogether.

I don't think I've ever seen another multiplayer game where it was as bad and as consistent as it's here.

[urban flax]

@tropic osprey There are like 4-5 dinos planned that fill that exact role

Rex, giga, mono, megalania, and I think rugops too

[tropic osprey]

alright, nice

[sly vault]

When I try to join a server it stucks in the connecting screen, if I wait for a while it makes me go back to the main menu itself

[livid blade]

flyin crocs

still flyin...xD

[urban flax]

normal day in The Isle

[lyric spoke]

@urban bear 60% is the tip of the left and right claws on stam bar. Is it still hard to tell despite that? (Haven't played hordetest yet)

[urban bear]

still kinda hard to tell between 60% and 59%

a lot of the time you go a bit over and have to end up sitting

[shrewd atlas]

Or you just z walk for like...5 seconds?

[icy lion]

Yea but that's not really the point of the suggestion

[shrewd atlas]

Oh yeah I know

[icy lion]

I like the "regen tiers" thing but there should be ui to support it

Could be lines, flashing, color change, etc

[shrewd atlas]

I agree that regen shouldn't be this binary in which forms of locomotion you can regen at certain stam levels
And that a visual aid would be appreciated

ALSO....WHY THE HELL CAN'T PTERA AND HERRA REGEN STAM WHILE LATCHED?

Makes zero sense

[icy lion]

I don't think they really need to

Branches are everywhere

[shrewd atlas]

Maybe not needed but would certainly be nice quality of life cause I mean...They aren't moving or given any real big advantage in this state so why not let them regen

[shrewd atlas]

East Plains

[icy lion]

I mean that's kinda on you for going up a palm tree then getting surprised you're limited on movement

I'm not against a regen getting added while latching, I just don't think it's at all important or necessary

[urban bear]

thats not the point im making

im saying having to monitor it by pressing tab is tedious

[shrewd atlas]

Yeah I can agree with that, a visual aid would be nice

Even just some lines next to the stamnia bar would suffice

[icy lion]

@sage sun The game takes place in the modern day, and the changes were made for balance and to get closer to the devs' vision of the game, not for "realism" or "accuracy"

[urban flax]

@sage sun The changes haven't been made for realism, as it is not a main concern of the game
Which also takes place in modern times, not in "the dinosaur times"

[icy lion]

And, given that it takes place in the modern day, I'd say it's accurate for a delicate ecosystem to be swarmed with boars LMAO

[urban flax]

Like uh
We got stego, herrera and carno in the same game and you see nothing wrong with that in terms of accuracy ?

[lyric spoke]

#general-feedback message

I find it really bizarre that people keep asking for another cera 3 call when holding right click is literally the most threatening, loud, ear destroying roar in the entire game. It's literally a 3 call idk what yall want

[graceful raven]

does it not use stamina?

[lyric spoke]

Nope. Not even for fully charged bite iirc

[graceful raven]

oh thats great. thanks

[lyric spoke]

I guess the only downside is you can't let go of the charge until the animation is finished

[icy lion]

That'll be changing #isle-discussion message

[weary elk]

#general-feedback message Don't know why I see this come up so often when you consider that Cera can eat literally anything and everything. It even gets diet off rotting food and bones. One thing Cera does not struggle with is getting the diet it wants.

[lucid robin]

yeahhhh

[lyric spoke]

Nice, glad that's coming

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

This dude walks past the COLOSSAL DOME created from glass, concrete and steel and concerns himself with boars being not prehistoric

[valid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/trex-tronbies-tron-flying-ufo-gif-25659381

[narrow narwhal]

was about to mention that lol. and having rain inside of caves and buildings is realistic as well

[hybrid mica]

@lone kite I see your point but at adult with it’s new attacks dryo can take on herra and sometimes omni and very rarely dilo, oc this is at adult but dryo is much stronger now

[lone kite]

ok but over double the time is a bit extreme

[north quiver]

#general-feedback message how dare a herbivore not be allowed to eat grass and be utterly destroyed

very problematic

[limber hull]

ironically stego is UNDERSIZED, not over lol. A more realistic stego would be around 8 tons

[north quiver]

they’re not going to like stego’s kit redo lol

[normal lotus]

@hasty fractal dawg they're buffing stego so it can stand a chance against rex.

Deino will still have an option, likely it'll be hard to do, but it could theoretically grab a stego and drag it into the water

[hasty fractal]

I hope so would be

[gray oak]

its incredible to me that stego does get the treatment of needing some upgrades to keep up, while its a strong animal. and the already weak omni just received nerf after nerf, and now with the new grow times its bassicly a budget dilo , a worse version of it, with pounce not working 90% of the time, it litterally is the worse dilo, but god forbid u request a buff, because the omni is very OP (in the right hands, this is actually true, but thats STILL true... so wtf)

Normal players arent allowed to play omni... its reserved for the best of the best, because the rest cannot do anything with it 😦

[urban flax]

I think it's fine that a creature that can kill things 10x its size requires some skill to do so
Omni isn't the "beginner-friendly" playable anymore

Although yes, the new pounce requires tweaks and better performance, so do many things in this game

[minor field]

Eat grass and die

[fathom moth]

You see this come up so often because FG cera requires more food and loses hunger faster than a FG deino and the largest ai in the isle outside elite fish is boar, which is the only thing that provides a tick of hunger. So if you want to eat 10 to 15 deer to get your S diet at FG. Be my guest. People just want boar on its diet because the only thing that would satiate a FG Cera is FG deino, a FG carno or a sub adult or greater stego outside of other ceras which are all things that come with substantial chance of death.

[lament lagoon]

why not nerf stego

[desert arch]

Because the w key exists.
Stego is only a threat if you let it become one.

[radiant nest]

Also, Rex

[desert arch]

If youre not equipped to fight one, just go away...

[lament lagoon]

but why stego is too good or deinosuchus needs buff

[desert arch]

That too yeah, current stego would be a happy meal for rex

[desert arch]

2 deinos are more than enough to kill a stego if it decides to fight till it dies

Even 1 can do it if it finds the stego crossing a river

[radiant nest]

Deino will get a method to deal with stego soon

[desert arch]

Although that is rare

[lament lagoon]

but its not realistic the deinosuchus in real world has no worries against a stegosaurus plus its like 3,9 tons

[radiant nest]

Irl deino has no worries about stego because they didn’t live anywhere near at the same time

[desert arch]

I personally really dislike the idea of deinos only bad matchup getting removed, but oh well. Eat grass and die I guess

[lament lagoon]

it would still win

[desert arch]

1 stego thagomizer to deinos head would also mean the stego wins

[odd shell]

stegos have such a small head if a deino grabs it should be KO

[desert arch]

But 2 apexes essentially 1 shotting each other wouldnt be fun in a video game

[odd shell]

thagomizers should do more damage to compensate its literally 2 spears impaling whatever it hits do headshot damage to the body and lots of bleed

[limber hull]

irl stego is closer to 8 tons

[lament lagoon]

ok but then deino should be heavier

[limber hull]

nah

[odd shell]

on the wiki page it says irl deino got to twice the weight

[limber hull]

what wiki page what

[urban flax]

BoB wiki

[odd shell]

https://isle.fandom.com/wiki/Deinosuchus

[limber hull]

ISLE FANDOM WIKI

[urban flax]

Aha almost

[limber hull]

thats where real science comes from

misinformation.com

[lament lagoon]

It should also be noted that the isle deinosuchus is not based on the current research of Deinosuchus Hatcheri and its not paleo accurate to the species, as in-game the Deinosuchus is 39 feet long where the current estimates have it placed at 13.56-14.12 meters long (44.4-46 feet long) and would have weighed around 13.5-15.1 Tons

[odd shell]

things been dead 5 billion years

[limber hull]

its not even right about how the game works, i'd be surprised if it knew what real dinosaurs were like

[lament lagoon]

) and would have weighed around 13.5-15.1 Tons

and would have weighed around 13.5-15.1 Tons

[limber hull]

you can repeat it as much as you want but it doesn't make it true

[lament lagoon]

then why should stegosaurus be more true weight

[urban flax]

Who said it should ?

[limber hull]

i never said i wanted stego's weight to be increased, i only said it makes no sense to decrease the weight

because that would unnecessarily make the stego more of a dwarf than it already is

[urban flax]

Every dino except deino and rex should be capped at 3.9 tons so they can be lunged

[lament lagoon]

yes

[normal lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-text-to-speech-dizzying-stupidity-magnus-the-red-kitten-gif-27361746

[odd shell]

i would like to see those jurrassic park sized stegos in game

[lament lagoon]

rex plz

[odd shell]

there is in game footage of rex i saw its being worked on

they said it was gonna knock trees out of its way n stuff when running

anyway i came here to complain that cera is literally unplayable in an empty server, ai does not fill enough food for it to not die

[limber hull]

i think its dumb to be able to grow a carnivore on an empty server tbh

that shouldn't be a thing you can consistently do

[urban flax]

Especially large carnivores

Well cera isn't exactly large but still

[limber hull]

troodon, omni, herrera? Sure. Deino, cera and carno? Preferably not

[urban flax]

Until they add dino AI that is

[limber hull]

i've yet to see the good part of that addition lol

[urban flax]

Rex AI will be a boon to starving carni players

[limber hull]

its like they want people to interact less and hotspot more

[odd shell]

whats it matter to you what i do on an empty server, which isnt my issue i have a fg cera on na3 i cant play until the server pop goes up

[limber hull]

it doesn't matter what you do, i'm just saying it shouldn't be a given to be able to grow a large carni off pure AI

because why would you ever join a full server or even decide to hunt/scavenge if AI has you covered for food

hell, why play carnivore if all you wanna do is PvE

[normal lotus]

If you wanna be PVE I suggest galli. It is literally the best playable for pve and the flight style of pvp

[odd shell]

"guys cera needs more food i literally cant play the game until more people log in"

"why play carnivore at all if all you wanna do is pve?"

your a contrarian moron

[limber hull]

what?

[urban flax]

stego main

[limber hull]

you can also... log out until more people join if starvation is REALLY that big an issue

point is, big carnivore like cera should not expect AI to sustain it and should either log or scavenge what is left around an empty server to survive

if you can just feed off AI while no one is on, you can literally just grow large carnivores as PvE creatures

[odd shell]

not playing the game is not an acceptable option from a game design standpoint

i'd be fine scavanging corpses if there were any corpses, but there arent any when theres no players on and when there are the server resets every 40mins and wipes them all

yeah that worked in legacy just fine, i shouldnt have to have a battle to the death or stomp new players every couple mins

[urban flax]

You're not forbidden to play the game
There is actually a secret button in the character selection menu that allows you to play herbivores species, that do not require players or AI to grow

[odd shell]

bro i have a fg dinosaur i spent hours growing all im asking for is to not die when the servers empty from starvation while im actively hunting the things avalible to me

[stable blaze]

Having to play a dinosaur you don't want to shouldn't be the answer to that anyway. I mean, in Legacy it was fine because there was Progression, you'd eventually work your way up to the dino you want. Here though? Not wanting to lose your dino to starvation after spending hours growing them when the server is empty seems pretty reasonable, even if the AI only really just fills them a bit to keep them from dying dead.

[urban flax]

Why should The Isle be different from other games in that regard ? If no one is online in your PvP game, then you cannot play PvP. The Isle actually already gives you more options when that happens.

Large carnivores are creatures designed for PvP, that's why they cannot survive off AI alone.

[stable blaze]

I mean, I guess they are adding AI dinosaurs in later on anyway so they probably will be able to survive off of certain AI alone. Not the best for diets depending on what route they go with the AI dinos, I'm guessing

I haven't exactly stayed up to date with the game news, but I'm assuming they're doing multiple size ranges

[urban flax]

Yeah AI dinos will trivialize carnivore growth

[stable blaze]

Unless they go as far as to do a complex system to make AI not so predictable and actually a force to be reckoned with... but let's not get our hopes up, eh?

[urban flax]

Seeing the current state of AI, I don't expect an AI rex to be able to win more than 50% of the time against a solo raptor, unless it's literally allowed to cheat

[stable blaze]

If they could make the AI actually fun to hunt, and not just annoying, that'd be real cool. It wouldn't ever be like fighting a player, but maybe it could still provide enough of a challenge that every hunt might not be successful

[shrewd atlas]

@keen lion The game runs at 50% resolution scale natively not matter what unless you edit the Engine.ini file lol

@hybrid mica

Wrong @

[urban flax]

Well they already seem to hesitate in giving herbi players a chance against carnis... I don't think AI will be much better treated than that

[normal lotus]

Hate it when you ping the wrong person.

[stable blaze]

Yeah. One can dream though

[normal lotus]

I'm less lenient on that considering teno is pretty good from what I've heard. It having anti CC on the tailslam/kick would help in this situation. Pachy I'm a little worried about, stego has to get buffed to high hell to fight Rex, dryo for its size can clean house especially against Herrera, and mostly everything is capable of fleeing if the situation calls for it.

That and we know that diabloceratops is supposed to have a really good match up against carno.

[snow tiger]

is it normal to have a leg fracture for 40+ mins as croc?

[white mauve]

#general-feedback message Rex is being worked on :]

[runic moat]

@hybrid mica so the blurry stuff is from evrima and not my pc? I thought I was the only one.

[mighty cosmos]

@gray oak I like your idea about cheetah's pouncing from behind, perhaps we could get a different kind of "latch" when pouncing large dinos from behind? I agree with the choice that latching while running face first into a dinosaur shouldn't be a thing, but from behind definitely should be.

[weary elk]

This reads to me like a very winded way of saying "I'm too scared to hunt things so Cera should have more options to avoid having to hunt." You can scavenge diet off nearly anything and can bully anyone but a Deino off a corpse if you can't hunt for yourself. This complaint is such a non-issue if you just play Cerato the way it was obviously designed to be played. Of all the things people gripe about Cerato the diet is the absolute bottom of the barrel.

[fathom moth]

You clearly dont play cera. Also im asking for 1 ai that will allow me to eat 6 of them to get a diet hex instead of 15. I dont understand the issue here.

[lyric spoke]

Monkey is right play cera lol its not like it used to be. Fg Cera is a harsh life now

[weary elk]

@lyric spoke @fathom moth I play Cera more than any other dino, by far. I grew a Cera to fg on NA 1 and NA 2 just yesterday as a matter of fact. Diet is literally never an issue for me at any point during my growth unless the server is low pop. There are things Cera struggles with fairly, and there are things it struggles with unfairly, but food isn't something it struggles with at all.

[fathom moth]

i doubt you play fg for any length of time. Growing is not the problem

[urban flax]

@normal lotus How would it work ? Will players have to pick between 1 out of 4 different taco species ?

[normal lotus]

Mhm.

[wintry whale]

@cursive wave lag isn’t a problem on hordetest, try that

[cursive wave]

I dont play on Official

[upbeat geyser]

Doesn’t that seem too complicated for what it is?

[normal lotus]

Yea...but as I said at the end. They can just have it so the mechanics are just in one taco.

[urban flax]

I think it would be better to have several of them on one taco rather than having 4 almost-identical playables with only a little quirk to differentiate them

[upbeat geyser]

Well the lag/rubber banding seems a lot better on the horde test so either play that or wait till they merge

[urban flax]

Like psittacosaurus major's ability is just... having a nice choice of colors ?
That's kinda dull

[cursive wave]

how long will be this hordetesting

[normal lotus]

Feel free to give a suggestion for major, or any of them.

[upbeat geyser]

Depends but maybe another week or so I couldn’t give you an exact answer it varies

[urban flax]

poison or venom

[normal lotus]

That could work

[minor field]

Oooo venomous herbi?

[normal lotus]

Mayhaps. Taco seems like it'd be interesting to have it on.

[urban flax]

Scent decoys maybe
Like the ability to leave a "trap" that smells like a fresh corpse, or footprints pointing in the wrong direction

[upbeat geyser]

What if taco just gives sickness if eaten

[urban flax]

That'd be like magy but lamer

[normal lotus]

Combined with their stealth they can act as sentries/ "bait" to foraging parties

[minor field]

That’d be lame as hell and also cerato would just go nom and wouldn’t care not that it could catch it anyways

[urban flax]

A defensive mechanism that only works when you're dead works in real life when it's the survival of your species that matter, not so much in a videogame

[minor field]

Would love to see these ideas expanded on if taco ever comes to the game, also would be a nice spit in the face to people who think fighting is the only thing that makes a playable fun

To those people I have one word for them: Herrerasaurus

[normal lotus]

Ngl for taco, there'd be a lot of foraging parties, basically large groups of psittacosaurus that could be single species or multi species. Sibericus as guards and fighters of things around their size, mongoliensis being a great forager, sinensis being very speedy and the ones who make the diet fungi, and major being sneaky and luring away predators too large for the sibericus to handle.

[urban flax]

And what about players who don't have 15 friends to roleplay as rats with ?

[normal lotus]

You can still play as any of them, each have the capability to survive on their own. They're all capable of burrowing, foraging, and defense, just some are much better at these things than others.

For sibericus you are a tanky and strong boi for your size. And can leave a nasty wound if you get someone with the quills. And can still retreat to a burrow or hide if things get tough.

[urban flax]

And the two others have basically no abilities, so I think it would be fine to merge them all

[normal lotus]

Mongoliensis and major?

[urban flax]

Sorry the 3 others

[normal lotus]

Sinensis is the fastest and smallest, but is the best borrower and can use agriculture. And major can use their stealth and decoys.

Mongoliensis is supposed to be really good at getting food, and in other ways it's more or less just good at all the other things.

[urban flax]

I still don't think it's necessary to have 4 species of psittacosaurus when you can barely find 3 people to play troodon with

[normal lotus]

True, but you can still play solo with any of them.

And none would necessarily be "meta" because they each have their own strengths and weaknesses. Except of mongoliensis who's alright at everything, but lacks specialization.

Guess that's mongoliensis weakness. Lack of specialization

[upbeat geyser]

That seems like a lot to learn for what is essentially one Dino

[normal lotus]

Yea...

[upbeat geyser]

Or it’d be confusing

Imo

[dusty spire]

Does anyone have any solution how i can increase my fps? right after map gateway release fps was smooth 60, now it's painful 10-40, and when turning camera to any direction, now it drops fps to under 10 totally, before few patches fps wasn't problem. now it's killing my mood

[radiant nest]

@thick creek that would make it easy to tell real dilos from fake as they wouldn’t be able to spawn outside of where you can see, so you’d just see em spawn in

[gray oak]

ai = ai, doesnt matter how good they make it, at one point u can read it to enough extend to cheese it

imo, smaller ai are alright to feed smaller carnis , but they should never ever go bigger then a boar, but thats my opinion, look at when teno ai was in, free realestate everywhere, and it even had a dinner bell. , ai = easy mode, but players have a chance to be a final boss. (if their 2 brain cells happen to work as intended)

also lol at the "carni shouldnt always make it, and food should be a question mark situation to them" remark, all it takes is someone with a alt acc that starts spawning in stegos or w/e. no 300 sec cd either so its like off the assembly line into the stomach of a cera, it can be done already by tryhards, so why not enable the "normal playing" people, instead of giving them a disadvantage vs people who cheese.

best way to solve cheesing is by making it unneccesary

[gray oak]

ehm i do , but its ducktape fix and i got it from a video i saw

(windowed mode , lowest resolution) <-- this seems to give a big boost

[frigid mica]

i know evrima servers never been perceft state but like recetly lag and rubberbanding is much much more than usual (at least to me) do u guys have any idea ?

[upbeat geyser]

The horde test fixed this issue

[frigid mica]

i hope

[upbeat geyser]

It did lol

[frigid mica]

this is isle if they fix it prob broke something else LOL

[upbeat geyser]

Try the horde test for yourself

[frigid mica]

how can i ?

ah from betas

[upbeat geyser]

Yep

[frigid mica]

okay

[candid fiber]

@sonic island AI spawns aren't "fixed". They are just a tiny bit better than before. Still a long way from being "fixed" or even "as good as they used to be".

That's probably the reason you don't find any turtles (try the beach near south plains).

[upbeat geyser]

Turtles are extinct

[sonic island]

I mean fixed in only that there aren't 1,000,000,000 frogs everywhere lol

and you can actually find other ai

[candid fiber]

AI currently seems to spawn in rather specific areas and only if there are players around. So you need to find a beach that is inside one of those areas and then sit there. But if you sit on the wrong beach nothing will spawn and you just starve.

[silk wave]

For anyone experiencing the lag spike after going from horde to evirma, I find this worked for me
#🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 message

[candid fiber]

I think the other AI just have more convenient areas where they can spawn (I did not see a rabbit in a while though).

Also there seems to be a a huge chance for any AI spawn to be a boar. So you might sit on the beach and simply get boar instead of turtles by chance.

[sonic island]

Oddly enough, I've been seeing a lot more chickens recently?

[candid fiber]

Yes, in former patches I did not see any of them (nor frogs for that matter, they probably all spawned in a pile elsewhere) but now there are a few. Not many though.

[sonic island]

I find plenty of frogs around Water Access

Usually a bit in the jungle

Oof people did not like my idea that deino should keep NE Plains as a spawn

It just feels so weird for them to only have Water Access as a spawn and nothing else

I mean, I love the way Water Access bleeds into the river delta and the rest of the map, but only one spawn feels a bit sad

[valid delta]

I'm ok with the idea of a single spawn in general, makes it a challenge to get to the other areas. But all it takes is one canni to be there and it can ruin the server for everyone who wants to spawn a new Deino. You shouldn't have to run all the way to the highlands lake just to have a chance of surviving.

[sonic island]

Agreed. This is why I was saying Deino should be the only one with NE Plains as a spawn, because that lake feeds into the eastern chunk of the map, and there aren't really any other good lakes or rivers

The only alternative I can think of is just giving them a swamp spawn location, which I'm also okay with

[valid delta]

That would be interesting. The two ends of the same water system but also give folks a chance to mix up the play a little more. 👍

Plus from the swamp it's easier to reach the south plains without having to swim for an hour first. Lol

[sonic island]

Also, the swamps are perfect for crocs but I never see them there

[valid delta]

It does seem like a natural place to find them.

[boreal vessel]

@sage sun Everyone is always talking about immersion and realism. Stamina is changed for the sake of realism, night is insanely dark for the sake of realism, yet the AI running around consists of deer, goats or boars, which didn't exist during any dinosaurs lifetime.

Either drop the facade of realism, or do it properly by replacing AI consisting of current-day animals with AI consisting of dinosaurs or mammals that actually coexisted with them.

Not sure if it was mentioned yet because I haven’t been on discord much, but I believe the isle is set in modern day. Not prehistoric. Like a man made island, in modern time lol. So that’s why we have the goat, boar etc.

[valid delta]

Wait.... why does your last paragraph explain why the first two are wrong? Is there supposed to be quotation marks?

[upbeat geyser]

Well these dinosaurs are being like monitored by AE or whatever the company is called this doesn’t take place millions of years ago

[limber hull]

they will be fun to hunt, because they're going to be easy to hunt, and carnivores getting food and growth for basically no effort is generally considered fun to the playerbase

AI dinos will do nothing but ensure that rex is nice and easy lol

[sonic island]

I think it's a quote

[valid delta]

Must be, because it's makes not a lot of sense without that. 🙂 But heaven knows I've put worse comments out before. Haha

[sonic island]

And yeah, goat, deer, and boar are actually common invasive animals on small islands because Europeans would release them to have game to hunt on future visits