general-feedback-discussion

[old spindle]

50- what

[hexed timber]

then a fg dilo

[sterile shale]

Oh well that’s not bad

[hexed timber]

you start hitting your 50km/h from 50-80% growth

then you dip, to below dilo

[old spindle]

I meant like 50% to what percent case fg Omni is slower

When dilo is 50% is it faster?

[sterile shale]

That’s just

[hexed timber]

yes i think it is

i saw a sub dilo on my sub omni yesterday

and it was so fast XD

[sterile shale]

I haven’t even played dilo yet

[hexed timber]

i just stood there like... ehm ok, forgot they also faster till fg, gg

[sterile shale]

My last time playing Omni I had a whole pack of like eight and half died to one cera because they had zero stam and tried to run but just died

[old spindle]

Can't wait for dilo to get a jump so no Omni is safe ever 😔

[hexed timber]

i cannot pop control them, even if i try to weed out the little ones ( sub else no food value)

on a carno i probably could tho, but meh do i wanna go out of my way so far

[lapis swallow]

it wont

[old spindle]

It's not?

[hexed timber]

it wont get a jump i think

[old spindle]

Buff troodon jump the thing ways less then I do and I can jump higher than it

[hexed timber]

i did suggest it in the past to give juvis a jump that gets less and less high off the ground as u grow bigger ( at one point u lose the ability to jump)

but people didnt like it, i guess all the afk growers on raptors hated it

[old spindle]

Troodon afk growing is just waiting to get stamina back and by the time you have a full bar again ur fully grown

[hexed timber]

😂 fr

[old spindle]

Like literally

30 minutes to full grown and it takes 30 minutes to get your stamina back

[hexed timber]

i find it odd

when ur hurt as hell, ur stam regen is close to 0 , but why dont we get benefits? when we have perfect diet and are in the best shape of our life

[old spindle]

Because the isle god hates us and wants us to suffer

[sterile shale]

Honestly at this point I would be playing POT if it was on steam lmao

[hexed timber]

fair, i think the vision is somewhat of a dinoshooter game in the end , mostly ai , but community is here for the dino simulator, at least i am

[sterile shale]

The isle is in such a questionable state that I believe will get better with time but, a quite long time

[old spindle]

It's supposed to be a more realistic survival take on the genre while pot is super Arcady

Remember if u wanna grow ur Rex u gotta collect those pine cones

[sterile shale]

The idle vs path of pinecones lmao

Which Dino game is better

[hexed timber]

playing the isle sometimes reminds me of dino documentaries and u just living out your life, and i am all forit, love that this exists. Compared to other dino games this one still takes the crown. Bob is too cartoony, Pot = weird , i aint collecting bs sticks , and isle is just raw realistic graphics and dino experience

[old spindle]

Bweasts owof bewmuda

[sterile shale]

Yeah but the “Dino experience” is far from perfect rn, but I believe they’ll get there one day

[hexed timber]

its a bump in the road

[old spindle]

I just like the fact the dinosaur in the isle atleast move and look like somewhat living animals

[hexed timber]

yep, i can immerse myself

[sterile shale]

True

[old spindle]

It's all abt that aesthetic

[hexed timber]

tho currently i cant cuz the "RUBBERBANDINGGGGG" but it got less after last update, so imma shut up about it till it irritates me again 😂

[sterile shale]

But the game can break immersion a little quick,

[old spindle]

Truly the best dinosaur game is saurian

[stable blaze]

Path is pretty okay despite being arcady, definitely has my attention, I'd love to play this game more if my laptop could actually run it without either crashing or lagging constantly. Though the rubberbanding sounds like a server issue and not just my system being poorly

[old spindle]

Remember u can always play it on ur phone

[limber hull]

yea but you'd have to play PoT

[old spindle]

True

[hexed timber]

yeh the rubberbands aint u, also if u go into my youtube and type "fps" if u search in my vids, u should run into a little trick i got ( ducktape fix) , it boosted my fps from 30-50 range to 60-130 range

[limber hull]

the game where a rex takes 10 bites to kill a megalania

[stable blaze]

Did not see that video while I was watching your solo omni plays (very inspiring btw for a legacy utah main), will have to check it out later and see if it helps next time I attempt playing!

[hexed timber]

our rex will pick that thing up and throw it

[old spindle]

Our Rex will just pick it up and swallow it

Monch Monch

[hexed timber]

im also legacy utah main! hawwo

[old spindle]

Legacy dilo has my heart

[hexed timber]

automaticly best friends now

[limber hull]

legacy dryo is the only legacy dino i like lol

[stable blaze]

Eyy! It's been a long, long time since I played admittedly. But hey, I would be up for giving TI another go some time

[old spindle]

15 newtons of damage 25 bleed crazy stat spread

[stable blaze]

Did try growing a troodon in the past a few times but I think it was during the AI drought

[old spindle]

Troodon best dinosaur

[hexed timber]

true but legacy dilo is way weaker then our evrima dilo is imo, this thing can actually kill me

and legacy dilo was considered the "easiest of all" matchups for a utah

[old spindle]

I only played legacy Dino to bite Rex's feet till it had 100 bleed

[hexed timber]

like i havent died to a dilo in 3 years on legacy, so i threw a fit when i had to fight naruto in evrima

i mean dilo... my bad!

[stable blaze]

Does the game seem playable at the moment? I have been wanting to try and reinstall and play omni for the first time since erivma launch, but watching the game has been a bit of a yikes

[hexed timber]

10 bites dead rex (legacy at least)

[old spindle]

Sorta

[hexed timber]

you eu?

[stable blaze]

At the moment, yeah

[hexed timber]

intresting answer

[old spindle]

Idk if they changed it but when I played legacy the thing with Rex is if you started biting it as a dilo or Utah it could legit sit down and wait the timer to safe log

[hexed timber]

alr lemme slide in yo dm's and give u a inv

[stable blaze]

On vacation away from home

Alr, I gotta reinstall the game lmao

[hexed timber]

still the case, biteforce ttk for a utah on a rex is around 2 min and 15 sec? (i might be a bit off) and on average with the reg its 2 min 40 sec

and this is constantly applying dmg

so yes they can safelog as u start to bite them

and log back on in the night, heal the bleed , low server pop so all the ai is theirs

as a means to recover

[old spindle]

Yup

[robust sandal]

Yo is there something i can do if i got stuck between two rocks as a adult stego?

[kindred flame]

@hexed timber if dilo is slower than utah, it wont be a unter but a worse cera. Plus, it is faster but ITS AGILITY SUCKS, dont run in straight line as an omni, dodge its attacks and stop complaining about your own skill issue.

[old spindle]

Yes it would? It's close to double the weight and has a much stronger bite? And venom?

It doesn't need to be as slow as Cera, just a one km difference would be enough

[kindred flame]

it would be ass rided by everyting, be killed by tenos that do someting more tan stay still and let the dilos kill them, not to mention ceras already outmatch the dilos and so do carnos

[old spindle]

Alt bite exists

And it wouldn't be killed by tenos? It would still be faster????

[kindred flame]

you're brain dead or someting? tey changed the alt bite u cant nomore use it while running

[old spindle]

So don't use it while running, it sounds like your parents are siblings

[kindred flame]

bro and ure uncle is ur dad, stop being so toxic. your iq level must be low, if i didnt run away from cera or teno as slow dilo i would be killed

[old spindle]

No one's asking for it to be slower than teno or Cera

[kindred flame]

but its still less agile than a carno

[old spindle]

That's just blatantly false

[kindred flame]

if a teno ass rided it like cera, it would just bleed out and die easily

[old spindle]

If you are getting ass rided as Cera you must be terrible at the game

It has one of the quickest alt bites

No one wants it to be slower than teno or Cera, they are asking for it to be slower than Omni, an animal that's weaker in every aspect outside of turning

[kindred flame]

i dont mean to be ass rided as cera, of course a teno can still kill a cera by some chance. If dilo was almost as slow as cera it could become the prey

[kindred flame]

then make omnis bleed better

dont nerf other creatures just because u play as a terrible one

[old spindle]

No one wants it to be slower than Cera or near that speed????? They want it to be slower than Omni?????

[kindred flame]

is "?????" your signature mark or smth

i said if it was almost as slow as cera (45 km/h) which is still close to ceras speed, it would die from almost anything at that point

[old spindle]

Cerato is 40km/h

No one's asking for it to be reduced by 5 it's to be reduced by 1

[kindred flame]

and its agility+ alt bite are quick, dilo would need agility of omni then considering it would be SLOWER than it (omni)

[old spindle]

No it wouldn't as it's 350 kg heavier with a stronger bite and venom

It has better stats in every regard

[kindred flame]

and uta as wores tan every other dinosaur

nerf everything then i guess

[old spindle]

That's due to pounce issues

Which is completely unrelated

[kindred flame]

so basically if tey fixed it dilo wouldnt need to be slower than it

plus logically it has longer legs, faster but less agile

[old spindle]

It's a dinosaur that has shadow clone jitsu logic barley matters

[kindred flame]

if omni had it fixed, u could out manouver dilo and bleed it lmoa

[old spindle]

It's abt game balance, dilo is currently the strongest carnivore on the roster by a large margin

[kindred flame]

carno can easily maul it

it can drift, as insane hitboxes and is faster than it

a teno can easily bleed it out

u just gotta learn ow to counter dilos venom

[old spindle]

Yeah if you get hit cause your bad

If your trading hits against a larger dinosaur then yeah

[kindred flame]

you lost the argument from every angle starting with respect, firstly u said something about my parents being siblings, now being hit= bad

[old spindle]

You called me brain dead off the bat

[kindred flame]

because you act like one tbf

nerfing more dinos bc one has an issue killing it

[old spindle]

That's not what's killing it, what's killing it is dilos are faster and can run them down on sight

[kindred flame]

pachy can also kill it, carno kinda 50/50

[old spindle]

Yeah, but they can run away

[kindred flame]

just like from dilo

[old spindle]

And Carno has a much worse turn

[kindred flame]

use terrain as ur cover, and ur agility as your skill

what i dont get is how u can run in straigth line, come here and complain about dilo being faster than omni then wanting to nerf the dilo bc u dont know or u dont want to out manouver it

u cant just face tank a dilo

u need to bleed it

and ambush it

[old spindle]

No ones running in a straight line and I'm not talking about killing dilos, I'm talking about giving Omni the chance to get away

[kindred flame]

i would only agree on speed nerf if it had ambush mechanic

[kindred flame]

its broken, how u wanna fix one with breaking another one?

its pounce sucks, probably be fixed in the next 6 months

and if u want to get away as omni, put ur headphones and start listening to loud footsteps

dilo is literally a carno but with worse stats

[old spindle]

Basically what's happening is you have been playing dilo, a dinosaur considered by the large majority of the player base as too strong currently, and are on a power trip and don't want it to be nerfed in any regard

That's just not true so the we, carno and dilo are not the same at all

[kindred flame]

i would make dilos stam weaker

dont project i dont want to nerf it in any regard, i dont want jus to get dilo a utah treatment

which is the only thing people like you offer

if you wanna discuss it more, go on. Im free to talk.

[old spindle]

I'm offering a nerf of 1 km/h

💀

[kindred flame]

which would give what

[old spindle]

It would let Omni run away from it

[kindred flame]

1 km isnt even much of a difference

[old spindle]

Yeah I know

[kindred flame]

its more of a skill issue coming from u

[old spindle]

It would mainly only effect that matchup

[kindred flame]

give dilo worse stamina

and fix omnis pounce

plus if u wanna solo a dilo as utah, then mf there is something wrong with u

[old spindle]

That's literally not what I'm asking for

[kindred flame]

neither

[old spindle]

And nerfing its stamina would be a larger nerf than what I suggested

[kindred flame]

so buff omni

[old spindle]

So it's faster? That would work too

[kindred flame]

my man whole issue with dilo is that its faster than trash utah and its venom lasting too long, the only thing what i agree to tweak on is its venom

bc nerfing a dino to give more chance for the worst dino in the game is ridiculous

[old spindle]

Omni isn't even the worst Dino in the game

[kindred flame]

with its pounce it kinda is

[urban flax]

Hypsi :

[old spindle]

Better than dryo ptera troodon hypsi beipi Herrera

[kindred flame]

my ass only begginers plays it or for fun to blind others

[urban flax]

Still the worst dino in the game

[kindred flame]

small tiers lack abilities

utah got punished too much, thats why its worst from mid tier. Bc who even plays lil dinos?

[urban flax]

people who can get amusement from anything other than "hurr durr I'm big"

[old spindle]

Lmao "Omni is the worst Dino in the game because to me the other ones aren't real"

[urban flax]

Directional pounce is something that has been asked by members of the community for a long time and was once a thing
Now it's just a hitboxes/latency issue

[kindred flame]

doesnt disprove small dinos lacking attention

[urban flax]

It's not small dinos
It's just hypsi

It has consistently been the worst dino in the game since its addition

[kindred flame]

i said worst mid tier, stop reading so quick or u gonna fail not just exam but life

[old spindle]

No u didn't you

Said it was the worst Dino in the game

[urban flax]

Dryo recently got new attacks, herrera is fine, ptera is fine (bar the bugged fish spawns) troodon is only "bad" because dilo outperforms it (but has an otherwise solid kit)

[kindred flame]

.

ure blind

[old spindle]

Lmao throwing insults out constantly to try and make your point better is hilarious

[kindred flame]

said the one who (quote) ur parents are siblings

[old spindle]

-you are brain dead
-your dad is your uncle
-your trash
-your blind

[kindred flame]

im throwing insults at you, then u taking vengeance and saying something about my family is better?

[old spindle]

I matched your energy

[kindred flame]

i just got that energy from u

[old spindle]

No u didn't? You started the insults first?

[kindred flame]

bro but u tink talking about someones parents is "matcing the energy"?

thats already dumb mindset u represent

like i dont need to be kind to you, but starting with "ur parents bla bla bla" is just off the line

[old spindle]

Musta hit a nerve then

[kindred flame]

no, its u who gets every insults to their heart

then starting with parent jokes

dont require kidness from me if you answer with violence on violence

[old spindle]

You haven't been kind or respectful in any way since the beginning, I opened the conversation up with a counter argument to your point and you instantly went to insults

[kindred flame]

saying that "if you run in straigt line u're trash" is an insult?

[old spindle]

We'll see that's not what you said at all

[kindred flame]

dont worry im looking for it

[old spindle]

Your argument is full of contradictions and it's already hard to follow with the spelling, I'm done with this conversation anyway

[kindred flame]

ye now lets start topics about my spelling, who cares if i spell like acoustic guy or like someone who writes books 24/7

[short arch]

I think beipi with its webbed feet should be able to run on mud. It would provide it a unique getaway and fits the character of the animal. This ability to run on mud should be exclusive to beipi as a neat mechanic.

[remote cipher]

Does anyone know how to open 2 the isle evrima at the same time?

[wooden agate]

why would you do that

[hexed timber]

so you agree omni is currently terrible,also just took my time reading your arguments and all i hear is you panicing that dilo will magicly get ass-rode by teno and cera, wich is not true if its 45km/h ? (its only 0.6 slower then omni) , dw this wont break your easy-mode dinosaur in the slightest, it just makes omni able to exist without hitting the dino gym and being above average with it.

[old spindle]

Just don't try

Not worth it

[hexed timber]

yeh i noticed

threading thin ice 😂

[wooden agate]

idk both of you were being just straight up nasty to each other lol

[autumn bluff]

Dilos r too op right now, they r very fast, they resist a lot of hits, and the clones made a lot of damage

is not a skill issue, what u can do vs 5 dilos and they clones? u cant do anything

[warm smelt]

i guess run is the only option

depending on what you are playing of course. groups are stronger than solo, and prey can be weaker than predators. surviving is winning and running is all you can do sometimes

[midnight heron]

But I was giving feedback 🤷‍♂️

Dilo needs fixing

They are everywhere

[warm smelt]

new thing fun thing?

[midnight heron]

Yeah

But they should limit the amount of 1 type of Dino in a server at a time 🤷‍♂️

[warm smelt]

idk

im sure if they bring out brachio, every grass eater will be playing it or playing bird to watch how tall they get

its just the cycle of the new thing

[midnight heron]

A week ago the whole server was just Dilos 🤣

No stegos

No carnos

No ceras

[warm smelt]

yep. people who were playing the strongest brokest dino said 'heyoo new dino dropped, lets all play it'

[midnight heron]

No anything but Dilo

[limber hull]

they also released herrera, who much less people play because it's not half as OP as dilo

it's absolutely more than "new dino hype", which often wears off after a few weeks

[warm smelt]

i wonder how many of the same arguments made supporting stego supremacy will still be made

[limber hull]

this is like when they released cera and it was an endurance goliath that would run down most of the roster

[midnight heron]

Herrera just need a tiny buff to it’s max stam and it would be better

[warm smelt]

honestly i think troodon might be fun right now

zoom around, wooooHAAAAAA

[limber hull]

why would you want to play stego it's so bad lol

[midnight heron]

On gateway yeah

[warm smelt]

because prior to dilo it was the biggest toughest alpha

[limber hull]

nah

no way was stego even remotely close to that

it's always been a joke imho

[midnight heron]

?

[warm smelt]

elaborate?

[midnight heron]

It can go toe to toe with a deino?

[limber hull]

at no point has a stego posed a meaningful threat to me as anything but a stego

[warm smelt]

then you are a super player, and your skill set doesn't reflect the average player, and your viewpoint applies only to the top 10% of all the players

[limber hull]

more that deino is absolutely dog-tier when it comes to punching up above the 4 ton mark, as its whole niche is "lunge and drown" and it can't do that to a stego

[midnight heron]

Exactly

[limber hull]

but stego itself is absolutely garbage at fighting any apexes besides that, and we will see that with rex's soon arrival

[warm smelt]

for the average player, who doesn't have high skill ceiling skills nor the time to dedicate to learn that, stego hard countered nearly every possible averagely played dino

[midnight heron]

?????

[limber hull]

yep

[midnight heron]

No…

[limber hull]

its attacks and movement are too slow and sluggish to do enough DPS or escape a rex

it will absolutely die to the first rex that sees it

its weight, speed and DPS are too low

[warm smelt]

don't need dps with hgue alpha strike

oh yeah it'll die to rex

[midnight heron]

There are no Rex’s in gateway though

[limber hull]

"huge alpha strike" would only hit rex's legs and do basically a tenth of its health

[warm smelt]

but until dilo, for the average players, it was the biggest badest option

[warm smelt]

source?

[limber hull]

nah that was deino

[warm smelt]

i'd love to read it if you have access to the testing of hitboxes in a youtube vid or something

[limber hull]

math. Stego does 1250 damage, leg hitboxes more than usually have a multiplier of 75%, and rex has a health pool of around 8-9 thousand

1250 x 0.75 = 937

You'd be doing a little bit over a tenth, but not much

[warm smelt]

source document showing that math? you state 'usually have a multiplier' can i see where that's from?

[limber hull]

also stego's swing is very low to the ground. It's why stego is getting a brand new attack which will apparently be much more powerful and capable of going upwards

[warm smelt]

i gotta call bs here, because the stego swing was huge. was it nerfed?

[limber hull]

in fact stego is getting a plethora of buffs just to exist in a post-rex world

[midnight heron]

…..

[warm smelt]

future argument, not based on today

[midnight heron]

:I

[midnight heron]

Exactly

[limber hull]

when i think of good animals, i dont think of stego

[warm smelt]

we're talking today, on the server, right now. not of future and why its goona be so broke in the future which is why its bad now. that doesn't argue

[midnight heron]

He just want to argue 🤷‍♂️

[limber hull]

stego has never been dominant, it is always somewhere, but has never reached the popularity of other "apexes" as you call them, because it isn't that good

[warm smelt]

again, you are a super player with high skill set. you aren't the normal player

[limber hull]

deino has always outpopulated stego

[warm smelt]

its been absolutely dominant in the average player skill region

[midnight heron]

I’ve seen packs of stegos in 8-20 ranges 🤣

[midnight heron]

Not true (but it is now)

[warm smelt]

deino gaming was honestly a completely different game

[limber hull]

on spiro deino was literally always in insane numbers. On Gateway, people generally started to diversify (with some omni and carno preference because those two were significantly overtuned). Then when dilo came out, that was the champion

[warm smelt]

floating around, eating fish, chill gameplay

[warm smelt]

i think you are missing datapoints

[midnight heron]

spiro had insane stego numbers too

[limber hull]

my datapoints are watching a pack of 15 deinos run down everything in central river

[warm smelt]

i think people played teno, people played tons of stego. you could always find stego's around especially at that highland lake

[limber hull]

i'd be happier if it did lol, but it didn't

[midnight heron]

?

[midnight heron]

In one spot?

[warm smelt]

your datapoints are ignoring our experience, where we say 'this is what we saw, this is what we experienced'. you don't get to say 'nah fam' and continue your argument when we have contradicting experience. you dont get anywhere convincing people that way

[limber hull]

teno didn't see as much play because of the dominance of omni and carno

now teno is actually in a quite good spot, but migrations combined with the new super hotspots seem to be not helping them have any fun, and dilo is still the favourite child

[limber hull]

yep

it was like a goddamn wave of them

[midnight heron]

More than 15 in one spot on spiro? And they didn’t eat each other?

[limber hull]

nope, deino doesn't really need to

[midnight heron]

But they do anyways

[limber hull]

they had fish, a billion corpses/bones

well clearly not these ones because i saw 15 move as a single unit lol

[warm smelt]

sounds like a multi boxer

[midnight heron]

Just because they didn’t need to does it mean that they don’t though

It would be rare to see more than five anywhere close to each other without them fighting (on spiro)

[warm smelt]

you found a single player who connected 15 times and was running 15 clients to win the fight

i don't think that equates to 1v1 performance

[icy lion]

No, there were legitimately groups of 10+ deinos that would exist in Spiro

[limber hull]

i honestly had more of a problem getting killed by stegos as stego than deino as deino

[icy lion]

Primarily in northwest and center

[midnight heron]

Center was alway deino killing each other

Never saw otherwise (except 1 Christmas)

[warm smelt]

Bepi would probably be great right now, with so much focus on dilo

[limber hull]

unfortunately it absolutely is not great

[warm smelt]

its fun as heck, what is not great about it?

[limber hull]

i absolutely wish i could agree, but it has some really gross issues

• its stam drain for diving is still tuned for Spiro, making it EXTREMELY punishing to move underwater
• its dolphin dive (the absolute most fun thing about it), completely loses its vertical component when an adult, meaning that you go from leaping in and out of the water gracefully to bellyflopping clumsily over and over again, failing to properly capitalise on the speed boost. Juvis and subs don't have this issue and are legit fun
• no fish spawns

the worst part about a lot of these issues is how they make beipi feel... clumsy, which absolutely it should never feel, because it is meant to be exceptionally graceful

[warm smelt]

my dude, i have to completely disagree

-i played it recently, it didn't have huge stam drain for diving
-i played it recently, the dolphin dive didn't lose vertical component
-fish spawns are plentiful if you don't camp a lake and move along the rivers

where is your information from?

[limber hull]

playing it

[warm smelt]

when, on spiro a year ago?

[limber hull]

there's no way you played it recently if you think fish are plentiful

because there is an actual, documented bug which has caused fish AI to never respawn, meaning that the entire map will become barren of them very fast

[warm smelt]

are you meaning no elite fish?

[limber hull]

no ANY fish

its a very big issue

made a lot of animals very hard to sustain (ptera and beipi mainly)

[spark coral]

Is the fog bug gonna get fixed soon? 😦

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

@wide tinsel its more of a geforce now issue rather than the isle. you'll have to wait till evrima becomes the main branch.

[wide tinsel]

When is that happening?

[wooden agate]

we dont know

[clever seal]

ima have to agree with this, as someone whos recently played beipi for the first time(a few weeks ago, I immediately noticed the flaws.

fish arent plentiful

even in hotspots, and trying to move around is a nightmare

[limber hull]

fish are literally bugged, so your chances of finding them are little to none

[clever seal]

they need to add compy and or ptero to its diet

[limber hull]

you have to agree that the juvi and sub stages are by far the optimal experience when playing beipi, right?

[clever seal]

yeah because of its next to infinite stamina

[limber hull]

nah

stamina isn't why i like its younger stages

[clever seal]

wdym then?

its movement?

[limber hull]

try the dolphin dive

[clever seal]

yeah its a bit less fun

[limber hull]

it's subtle, but it gets gradually worse as you grow

you don't notice it because of the time taken

but spawn in as a beipi with admin, then grow to full, and it's night and day

[clever seal]

i get that, but primarily my main erk is the stamina, but that applys to the system as a whole

[limber hull]

i genuinely like the stamina system for the mostpart

i think beipi drains too much while diving but that's it

[clever seal]

mhm I think it should freely swim underwater without draining little to any stam

[limber hull]

i don't really agree

i personally think the fact that beipi drains more stam underwater is fine

[clever seal]

.

[limber hull]

because the entire point is beipi is fighting against its own bouyancy to stay down there

yea, i think it drains too much, but that doesn't mean i think it shouldnt drain

[clever seal]

dude ur kinda contradicting yourself,

[limber hull]

im not

[clever seal]

its just an option, but I think due to its size a little stam drain would be fine

how about on land? I get its not a runner but when you are forced onto land because of deinos

[limber hull]

it has a ton of land stam tbh

its just not very fast

[clever seal]

as an adult I found its stam on land was eh, its just in ne lake tho

cause u cant see anything, weird how the chocolate water is less murkey then the mountain lake

[viral hare]

Bro why u think it would be a bad idea to let herbis talk to each other cross Species 😄 guess you are playing your 10 ppl mixpack on discord 🙂

[limber hull]

what a wild and wacky conclusion to jump to

[opaque gale]

Because different herbivore species probably couldn’t communicate with each other either. Most of them.

[limber hull]

^ this, basically, but if it makes you feel better, this is something one of the developers said very recently

so SOME herbis of similar species will be able to communicate

[viral hare]

Most of them ... doesnt change that Herbivores in the NATURE IN REAL LIFE ... are building herds together (LIKE IN AFRICA) why do you think it wasnt a thing at that time ...

[opaque gale]

Yes but this is normal ava and diablo or not much different

[limber hull]

okay but a zebra can't communicate effectively with an antelope or an elephant

and usually they prefer to move with their own kind, not with other herbis

[cedar drum]

pretty sure herbivores will nuke each other for fun sometimes... or because they both wanted the same plant...

[opaque gale]

Like it would be nice if it were like ceratopsians could communicate with each other

[limber hull]

It's a possible mutation

[opaque gale]

But not a trike with a theri for example

[limber hull]

overall, i think herbis should have a healthy level of competition

[viral hare]

I would still prefer to move with my own kind if I could talk to other species ... because you could make nesting an advantage or sth ...............

[opaque gale]

Herbis shouldn’t always be friendly to eachother thats not realistic

[limber hull]

^

[viral hare]

ah yeah the 10 people on a server with 100 guys who play herbis should compete yes ... I dont know see it different

[limber hull]

sounds like a herbi issue if that little people are playing

[viral hare]

you are not always friendly with each other if you can communicate

[opaque gale]

I didn’t say that😂

[viral hare]

yeah several ... Migrations, Mixpackers (like you I guess), and that u cant even talk!

[limber hull]

why am i mixpacker for not wanting a mixpacking tool?

[viral hare]

than this isnt a point

[limber hull]

that's actually baffling

the roundabout

[viral hare]

it isnt a mixpacking tool ... discord is a mixpacking tool 😄

[limber hull]

you're using it... hmm... suspicious

are you a mixpacker?

[viral hare]

I dont want mixpacking with herbis/carnis but it would just be realistic if you can make a herd of some Stegos/Tenons

[opaque gale]

Its pretty obvious you can’t deal with people who disagree with you.

[viral hare]

no reason to get personal 🙂

[limber hull]

he immediately ran out the gate calling me names based on nothing so yea lol

[viral hare]

so u dont like mixpacking in general ok ... I see it different

[opaque gale]

You legit did it yourself but okay buddy.

[limber hull]

i personally think it's fine if herbis cooperate, but i don't like the idea of them all chatting to each other

[onyx wadi]

i agree with Kw1, mixpacking under herbivores is sound but carnis mixpacking is just unrealistic

[viral hare]

the point I wanna make ... your argument seems to be the realism ... but the reality isnt like it is

[opaque gale]

@limber hull yeah he is calling me out for something he did himself very mature.

[limber hull]

reality doesn't usually have herbis existing in these massive mixpacks

herbis prefer to migrate amongst their own kind

most congregations of several species happens near vital resources, like water or dense food, but they typically stay away from each other in most cases

[viral hare]

why do you wanna make it look like if you can talk to others you hate your species 🙂

[cedar drum]

that is... confusing...

[opaque gale]

You can’t take criticism man. You could’ve just been friendly but okay

[limber hull]

in reality, most herbivores tolerate each others presence. They WILL become aggressive if another herbivore species makes a move they dislike, so it's less "let's work together to survive the scary carnivores" and more "you mind yourself, and i'll mind myself"

[viral hare]

you didnt criticize me you argued and I tried to show you why some of your points arent valid

[limber hull]

all species generally do not spend much time near other species unless specific conditions are met, such as a mutually beneficial relationship, or specific conditions in their upbringing that integrates an animal into a group of another species

[opaque gale]

I don’t agree with your point but you can’t take it. But its fine yk no hars feelings

[viral hare]

Yeah that might be true ... but if the whole world would only have species of herbivores and 10 carnis ... you dont think they would develop some symbiosis?

[limber hull]

i'd prefer getting to the root of why herbi is so underplayed and addressing that, rather than granting features for the enjoyment of the 2 herbi players

[viral hare]

If you really see it this way we are completely fine ...

[opaque gale]

We can disagree. No problem

[viral hare]

Migrations are a jail for herbis atm you cant roam the map ... you run into mixpackers who play idk 5 carnos and 2 Tenons and just kill you ... the herbis dont have same migrations (Stegos dont have NE for example) ....... and last you cant interact ... but u dont see my last point which is ok

[limber hull]

herbis shouldn't have the same migrations

but yes, migrations feel like a jail, i agree

[cedar drum]

migrations suck but whats wrong with different migrations

[opaque gale]

I agree with the migration being a jail too. There should be something different because rn its getting boring.

[tawny pendant]

all the time when i im migration zone i can find nothing to eat. Just food doesnt spawn there ._.

[viral hare]

theres nothing wrong if you have more than 5 species ... atm you play stego ... your migration: swamp ... no one else there (except a hypsi sometimes you cant talk to him) you play Teno ... migration: NE you go there ... 3 pachys there no tenon ... 3 carnos with two tenons run to you and kill you ... if there would be the stegos too for example they could protect you from this hell

[viral hare]

thats another big problem too but I think its just a bug

[viral hare]

the boring thing would get better with communication lol ... but you could change the migration too sure

[cedar drum]

i dont get it...

different species dont interact with each other because balance...

and food...

[viral hare]

no its not a balance thing ... they do it because "realism" ... it would be balanced if you can talk to other herbis (no carnivore gets damage when I talk)

[low canopy]

having more species means less likely that someone else is playing same species, which means that options of grouping up lessen, further making x playable having smaller pick rate

[viral hare]

ah sure but having 10 Carnivores is not a problem? 😄

[cedar drum]

pachys deal the fractures the rest of the herd runs you down - teno gets hurt - hides behind the five stegos. that is not balanced

[viral hare]

I mean technically you don have 5 herbis because literally no one is playing dryo atm

[low canopy]

you can't fix it, there are way too many species in comparison to server slots. and no way of grouping up aside from randomly running into someone

if you want group play is better to just pick omni, not demanding and easy to find friends

[opaque gale]

For me its not about communication but more about having to stay in a certain part of the map for a certain amount of time.

[viral hare]

I see your point but you could easily fix this with excluding pachys from this chat ... or make groups like (Stego/Tenon) (Pachy/Dryo)

[viral hare]

yeah this is the bigger Problem I agree

[cedar drum]

stegos shouldnt be mixpacking with anything. ever.

dryos are whatever because... its dryo...

[viral hare]

wow big argument

[cedar drum]

whats it gonna do? kill you?

[viral hare]

Still: You dont mixpack directly if you can CHAT

[cedar drum]

itll run around a bit... not much more...

[viral hare]

if u dont want mixpacks hack discord and delete it lol

[cedar drum]

but it allows mixpackers to easier cooperate

[viral hare]

yeah but only between herbis which isnt a big problem

the biggest problem with mixpackers is that herbis pack with carnis and thats lame yes ...

[cedar drum]

herbi+different herbi can be a very powerful group

[viral hare]

CAN

balance it

[cedar drum]

unless that different herbi is like... dryo... or beipi...

[cedar drum]

you cant balance it without making solo herbis crap

[serene wave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnJ5iFEU6xg thats my favorite symbiose

[viral hare]

😄

[limber hull]

dryo is actually insane now with its attacks lol, can 1v1 herreras and win

[viral hare]

yeah than go play dryo 🙂

[cedar drum]

well... yeah... if the herra doesnt jump from a tree... which makes perfect sense

[limber hull]

i do

[cedar drum]

besides herra nad dryo arent that different in terms of size

[viral hare]

how often do you meet other dryos? really wanna know this

[cedar drum]

met a few once. got obliterated by a raptor but still

[limber hull]

not often, but adding herbi chat won't fix that lol

burrowing, however, sounds like it absolutely could

[cedar drum]

youd be surprised how many people actually try playing dryo

https://tenor.com/view/electro-kingdom-black-magic-gif-19337815

[viral hare]

thats true ... and there are several things that could be done to make herbis more fun to play then chat ... but I think the chat thing is a general problem with this game ... I dont know if u played Legacy but the global chat was an important part of this game

[limber hull]

global chat was a toxic hellscape

never again

[onyx wadi]

^

[viral hare]

yeah and now you cant talk to anyone not even in the area and no one plays your species ... amazing 🙂 if people are toxic to you mute them 🙂

[limber hull]

"everyone come to twins, if you see a brown allo with yellow markings, kill on sight"

[limber hull]

there's no mute option lmao

[viral hare]

I dont even want global chat but atm you dont interact with anything

[limber hull]

and there's no option to prevent people putting out KOS requests on me for playing the game

[serene wave]

not chating is an option, like cannibals do

[viral hare]

dont know what you did in legacy but I never experienced that ... but I like herbis so ...

[amber sequoia]

devs, we need more fish. gateway have way bigger lakes and rivers than spiro. why no fish in gateway?! T_T

[viral hare]

as I said ... global chat isnt the thing I want ... ALL I WANT (for christmas is you) ist local chat with other herbis

[serene wave]

oh, that, yea i agree

[limber hull]

and there's the possibility of a mutation that allows you to talk to select herbis

[viral hare]

this wouldnt be a thing if you give herbis the ability to talk to others ^^

[onyx wadi]

It would. being a herbi doesnt mean you cant attack, since there are no rules on those servers

[serene wave]

nesting could be a big social aspect of the game, but i rarely find someone worthy or willing to

[viral hare]

no global chat no global KOS

[viral hare]

yeah agree

[serene wave]

global chat in legacy was for the whole map or local ? because a local chat cant be that bad right

[viral hare]

global was all people on server ... there was local too ... like a small radius people you can see

yeah and the local chat we have atm for same species ... in legacy the local was the same but you could talk to every species even carnis

[serene wave]

i wouldnt mind a small radius local chat.. but i know too well how people interact with each other on the internet... sooo... i get it people dont want that

[viral hare]

then you should be against the chat in general ... I mean I dont care if I get called names by a stego or a tenon

[serene wave]

https://tenor.com/view/jagyasini-singh-i-wanna-say-no-but-probably-yes-probably-true-probably-right-probably-yes-gif-23520627

[viral hare]

Like that you use memes 🙂

[serene wave]

explains exactly how i feel about it, yeah

i love a chat, and i very well can take it if people get nasty in it, but if it gets too much it just ruins the experience for everyone.. and i am not childcare to put them into their place

[kindred flame]

doesnt disprove that nerfing other dinos bc there is a terrible one everyone wants to play is a bad idea. just nerf dilos stam and add some more agility to it so it wont be killed by carnos whenever they meet one. And no im not playing dilo bc its easy mode dinosaur, but bc its new and i like it! i find it boring tho, with its venom its just stand back dino.

what i find annoying in people is that they can counter maybe not the venom but the dilos itsself and yet wants to nerf it more than its ability, as a teno use claw attack and kicks, dont stand in one place for it to let it bite you its not like a carno you can just knock out. and with omni idk how hard is it to run away from a much less agile dino- like doesnt carno exist?

[limber hull]

carno doesn't have more stamina than omni

[kindred flame]

the venom needs much less time duration

[limber hull]

also, dilo has more agility than carno

[kindred flame]

only if u Z walk, carno can also drift and dilo doesnt

[limber hull]

no, it just has more agility

i've played both, dilo feels immediately more agile while trotting, sprinting and otherwise

[kindred flame]

carnos Z walk can counter dilo pretty much

it can just be like a crossbow

[limber hull]

okay but carno hunting dilo isn't necessarily bad lol

[kindred flame]

z walk, aim the target and then charge

[kindred flame]

agree

[limber hull]

i don't think dilo needs more agility, i do think its stam could do with a reduction, and otherwise its stats are fine

[kindred flame]

people wants to nerf dilos speed so they can do a solo 1v1 with a dilo as utah

[limber hull]

its main issue is the venom

[kindred flame]

thats already dumb as hell

[limber hull]

i think the speed is perfectly fine

[kindred flame]

ye like less time duration

[limber hull]

actually, i'd also nerf dilo's damage (on its bite and thus, on its hallucinations)

[kindred flame]

i would just make im loose 10% of is stamina when spawning the hallucinations

so liek after 10 spawns u can kill the dilo

[limber hull]

that'd be real bad

not only does it make no sense, it'd neuter dilo

[kindred flame]

or like 5%

[limber hull]

i dont think it should reduce stam at all

laughing isn't going to exhaust it lol

[kindred flame]

i know

but i mean it uses venom, and not to be a nerdy stereotype but in real life venom costs some stamina for sure

[limber hull]

@coral crest no, they won't

the game isn't set in prehistory

[coral crest]

i know that

but it would probably be cool if there were more dinosaurs roaming the map

[limber hull]

pretty much all dinos are intended to be playables

[coral crest]

i thought of something like the avaceratops in legacy

[limber hull]

that's a playable

[coral crest]

and it spawns as AI too

[limber hull]

no, it's fully intended to be fleshed out primarily as a playable, not like legacy where it was merely playable AI

i much prefer dinosaurs be playable and AI be non-dinos

(it's why i dislike the rex AI they're working on)

[coral crest]

well a large part of what sold me on the game a long time ago was the factor of playing a role of a dinosaur in the human reconstruction of like mezosoic enviroments

[limber hull]

which you are

[coral crest]

yeah

i guess the main issue is that hunting hogs as a dinosaur feels weird

hunting herbivore dinosaurs as a carnivorous one just feels right if you knwo what i mean

and the hogs and such just take me out of it

[limber hull]

i mean, there's also going to be dinos hunting humans, and 8 foot tall human-esque disfigured creatures hunting dinos and humans

so not much out of the realm of normality for this game

not even mentioning the building-sized, heavily armoured apex carnivores with regenerative properties and a near-endless stomach

and the dinos that can create EMP blasts to disable human equipment

and that one thing that can change its form and size based on the biomass it intakes

[coral crest]

well

i guess i misjudged what game i'm playing

[limber hull]

oh and the robot quetz

i forgot the robot quetz

[coral crest]

i guess back to legacy i go

[limber hull]

all created by the island's machine god that creates life as it sees fit and is worshipped as a god by the prior mentioned 8 foot tall disfigured humanoids

yea i think boars are kinda normal comparatively

i mean, if you're making dinosaurs, why not bring along some extremely expendable, quick to repopulate animals like boars, deer, rabbits and whatnot? Honestly makes sense to me

[coral crest]

yeah that is the headcanon explanation for their presence i came up with when i first found one

i guess the line is drawn at where my suspension of disbelief can eb stretched

[limber hull]

game really never has flaunted itself as hyperrealistic

look at omni, troodon and dilo

and herrera

and teno actually

can't forget beipi

cera too

wow there's a lot

[coral crest]

what do you mean by those exactly

[limber hull]

omni and troodon literally are not real animals

dilo can create hallucinations that damage you by laughing

herrera can climb trees like an iguana

[coral crest]

okay fair ig

[limber hull]

teno is designed nothing like its irl comparison, whos tail could never be used as a weapon

[coral crest]

i only found out evrima is a thing yesterday

i thought it was more like legacy

[limber hull]

beipi is modelled after a juvenile specimen

[limber hull]

i mean, it has the same lore. That giant EMP dinosaur was actually in legacy

[coral crest]

never ran into one

[limber hull]

because it was removed, and was sandbox exclusive when it was around

[radiant nest]

if we’re being realistic to a paleo ecosystem there wouldn’t really be any grass

[urban flax]

The only realistic animal in the roster is dryo
Or rather, it was until they gave it a tail attack

[coral crest]

i see

[limber hull]

the game is semi-realism. The animals appear realistic, but there's plenty of physics-bending, history rewriting shenanigans

[coral crest]

yeah ig

[limber hull]

so it may feel realistic when you compare it to outright arcadey games like PoT or BoB

but it focuses heavily on a sci-fi element, and a fun > realism mindset

like, certain key facts like carnotaurus movement is kept true to life

carno was indeed extremely fast and inagile

[serene wave]

i am glad they do shenanigans

[limber hull]

they do many shenanigans

[serene wave]

otherwise we would just tailride i guess

[coral crest]

i guess i'll get used to all the weird stuff eventually

[radiant nest]

Reading the lore helps

[urban flax]

Well
Tailriding wasn't realistic either

[serene wave]

yes, what i mean - different mechanics = more fun and diversity in play

at least for me

[coral crest]

smh when will they add the ability to die in such a way the predator is trapped adn dies too

realistic

[limber hull]

they are adding burrowing lol

in fact, they're adding burrowing to the exact herbi in that image

[coral crest]

yeah

[limber hull]

so indeed, that could happen

[coral crest]

do any of the in-game dinosaurs get feathers?

[limber hull]

hypsi and beipi already do

but ovi will too, as well as realistic utah

oh and austro

[coral crest]

and where to start with that?

i always thought the lore wasn't something the game has set in stone to say

i basically thought that it was something like "what if we cloned the dinosaurs and let them loose on an isolated island" kind of deal

[radiant nest]

Take a look at the pinned docs in #isle-lore-theories

[coral crest]

i read through the docs and i understand less than when i started

wonder how long was it since the steam page was updated

also

are the small pterosaurs that seem to attack me after i kill things AI?

[limber hull]

yup

[coral crest]

I see

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

how do i get a level 100 croc

i want to level up

[lapis swallow]

So firstly, you gotta pick the barbarian faction, because they have +5% mining buff

[serene wave]

you gotta spend a lot of bloodpoints

[full pewter]

To all the people mentioning the lack of fish, the devs have already stated they’re aware of this and should release a fix soon

Just hope soon is soooon

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-tm-soon-space-gif-23401891

[full pewter]

Saw that coming😞

[dull perch]

@pale niche crocodiles actually have pretty blurry vision underwater, and I think this is a good way to differentiate them from other semi aquatics while also having them rely on their water sense mechanic.

https://youtu.be/3ZYXBeLuT_o?si=FqAGfI-Wiu2yThmV

[desert arch]

Im all for worse vision underwater, but when you cant even see where youre going, let alone your face i think thats a bit much...
Not to mention some players can see fine with nv on, while some players dont

[dire ridge]

Crocodile can detect change in water pressure at the surface and undewater. For balancing reason, Deino is only limited to surface, ofc they shouldn't have perfect vision but they certainly shouldn't have a bad one either

[hexed timber]

i already can tbf, my issue is dying 4 min after i ate the bastid 🙂

the speed suggestion is because omni is weaker, but cannot outrun Dilo (or outstam it tbf), wich makes it on paper "dead in the water" when it comes down to it. and you were behaving like "oh teno will assride, cera will assride, no.. they wont, just as omni has a right to outspeed dilo (cuz balance) dilo also has the right to still outspeed teno and cera. But you litterally saying, "hey i like Dilo, its nice and dont touch my baby" ignorant to the overtune situation. all i seen u admit is that you think the combat is too simple, and that should fix if they tinker with the venom duration and require the dilo to do a fresh application of venom every now n then ( if they even gonna go with that)

also when i say overtuned, i am not refering to its hp or biteforce. Im fine with both those things, only thing thats properly balanced if u ask me. Just its speed needs to go from 47.4? to 45 or something ( below omni and above cera/teno) , and that duration has to be heavily reduced from 10 years to maybe 2 min tops at best (when purple)

[urban flax]

@summer thistle The penalty is losing ammunition, making a lot of sound and emitting a smell of gunpowder that can be smelled from far away by every dino in the vicinity

[summer thistle]

If I knew more about how humans work I’d probably be more specific

[urban flax]

If that's what you're afraid of, they're probably gonna be more on the side of weak and puny than OP

[glass axle]

guns are a last resort

staying somewhere safe as a human is better

but you already know im gonna wipe out the dinosaur population

[barren zephyr]

People go on about real life and realism but I'm pretty sure dinosaurs didn't see in 3rd person

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

@barren zephyr so you rather have legacy interactions where you can just run through the dinosaur with no consequence? xd

[barren zephyr]

id rather not get stuck inside a cera every single time a bash into it??

[wooden agate]

then dont??? run into its body???

[barren zephyr]

...

with.. a pachy head bash?

[wooden agate]

having the dinosaurs have collisions is far more skillful than just "hurrr i ran through it"

yeah, it sounds like you literally just dont know how to fight without collisions being disabled. many people can fight with pachy just fine, this is maybe the closest defintion to a skill issue in the discord

[barren zephyr]

ok sure-

[cyan flame]

If it's specifically pachy, it could just be that the ram endlag is the issue.

[barren zephyr]

no i bashed into it, then it tryed to run away, it coudlnt bc it was inside of me so it turned around while i was still getting up from the bash and bit me 3 times

like it did a whole moon walk, we could not move from eachother

[cyan flame]

Hmm, could be something with latency/lag or something then, performance is a bit odd at times. Cause it doesn't sound like something that would or should happen normally. And if it really is a problem, then hopefully there are better solutions than removing collision.

[barren zephyr]

maybe not removed, but like.. rounded out, whenever i run into something i feel like the hitbox is a square rathere than a circle, i feel like i should be able to still run into things, but slide off of them so i dont get stuck

which it could have been latency or lag but i dont think it was bc i never rly lag on the isle

[lyric spoke]

Saying collision should be removed is the reason it was downvoted. It gives people PTSD from legacy days where non collision was a horrible bandaid for restrictive combat mechanics.

Definitely should've offered a solution such as redirecting the player's momentum away from the animal it is colliding with, as the current collision system causes a lot of problems that you're correct about. You can literally wiggle into a stegos body and just chill with no danger with how it is right now.

[barren zephyr]

i had no idea, i think ive fought maybe 2 people on legacy so idk

[icy lion]

@distant osprey f2 starts the recording

[barren zephyr]

im not in a place to talk about alot of stuff, but ik that it is increadably frustrating to get stuck inside of somebody while im winning a fight then die bc of that:/

[distant osprey]

Really?? Well damn. Cheers dude

[lyric spoke]

You're not wrong, it definitely needs a rework at some point and I think the devs even mentioned as much a while back

[limber hull]

no u wont

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

@still monolith imagine how aduseable this would be

"a stego killed my utah? time to get my full grown rex and murder everything"

[still monolith]

Exactly seems fair

[latent olive]

nah id win

[wooden agate]

lol no

[radiant nest]

I can’t react to this for some reason #general-feedback message

Though I still like the idea

[limber hull]

more than likely he's blocked you

he blocked me too, yet still reacts to my messages lol

[radiant nest]

Huh

Don’t know why he would have done that tbh

[limber hull]

i don't know either, but it is what it is

[radiant nest]

Wait nvm I finally got it to stick

It kept unreacting it after a moment before

[limber hull]

thats blocking lol

maybe it isnt idk

[radiant nest]

Huh then I wonder why it’s working now

[limber hull]

oh hey i can react again he unblocked me

[radiant nest]

Interesting

[wooden agate]

im still blocked lmfao

[radiant nest]

This discussion simply doesn’t exist to them

[versed fjord]

lost two hours of growing my carno to a speed hacking baby gator wtf is this game man

[cedar drum]

2 hours? you should be an adult man

a baby gator shouldnt do much

[limber hull]

thats because it was hacking

[distant osprey]

Apparently if you hit F2 you start recording but even so, idk if there’s anywhere to even report hackers. My recording didn’t work either, just showed me a white background as if it was inside a cloud or something.

[versed fjord]

bro he was hacking did you not read

[cedar drum]

dmage hacks as well as speed hacks?

[versed fjord]

yes

[cedar drum]

ah fair enough

i knew it was speed hacking but i wasnt sure there were any damage hacks in the game

[versed fjord]

he killed me at 100 % and another 65 % carno

i ran so far after killing my pack mate then he just showed up behind me

[limber hull]

i've watched another carno die in such a matter

[versed fjord]

two bites and i died

[distant osprey]

Hacks work the same as in legacy. Everyone gangsta until the speed hacking cama show up. xD

[cedar drum]

hackers are bs

[versed fjord]

losers with nothing better to do

[distant osprey]

I used to staff for a community. Favorite pastime was to wake up 5 in the morning because someone messaged about hackers. Chuck them off a mountain, slap in some bans, back to bed within 10 mins.

[cedar drum]

ive gotten lucky with hacker encounters. only ever met one that tried to kill me... which he did...

[versed fjord]

its so frustrating because it was my second attempt at growing my carno because the first one died at around 70% to fall damage

[cedar drum]

the fact he was a juvie deino just rubs extra salt in the wound doesnt it

[versed fjord]

exactly

anti cheat id usless

is*

[cedar drum]

i ont think its completely useless... i think its supposed to make it harder for hackers not stop them entirely

[versed fjord]

people that hack deserve the worst

[limber hull]

there doesn't exist a single anticheat that can fully stop cheaters

[versed fjord]

well anyways that just ruined my entire night good luck anyone else that dies to that bs

[clever seal]

I havent encountered a hacker yet since evrima came out, maybe ive gotten very lucky

[urban flax]

@bitter oriole Damage hack
It's a new hack

[bitter oriole]

are you for real? EU1 is cramped with that. a squad of mini ceras onetapping fgs

[urban flax]

Yeah

[bitter oriole]

start over on a different server I guess

[urban flax]

You may try to report hackers to an admin in the appropriate channel so they get banned

[pseudo copper]

Make sure to report cheaters in the evrima channels - check the pinned comments if you're unsure on how to go about it.

[bitter oriole]

evrima bug report channel?

[pseudo copper]

#evrima-eu

[bitter oriole]

check my message, correct?

[pseudo copper]

Remove the location and you're all good. We don't allow locations, names or skins to be given, you can instead leave a note that you've got additional information ready at hand or DM them to us directly.

[bitter oriole]

Sorry, I corrected my message

do people get SO salty over deaths they feel the need to hack in a survival game? Or ppl are just that bad?

[pseudo copper]

A question we have no answer to. People mostly want to feel superior when cheating in online games, since you can't do it for monetary gain (in the isle) it's mostly that.

[topaz kestrel]

@stray jewel But Im using a nvidia card an still can't see anything underwater in lakes?

[cinder latch]

What can I do when my ping is 37 but it still keeps throwing me back?

[rain depot]

happened a couple times now where my game crashes, or i log out myself (like rn cuz i was food bugged), and when I log back in, my almost Sub Cera is gone. Bodys not here, nothing so I couldn't even eat myself...wtf

[cinder latch]

some one how to fix it ?

[glass axle]

yes i will

[limber hull]

shoot gun
single raptor hears/smells/sees your location
kills you
lmao

[icy lion]

@thin meadow Does the fog have a tan/brown tint to it?

[normal lotus]

You will have to deal with a ton in terms.of guns

[glass axle]

shoot the raptor

😹

[normal lotus]

Ah yes shoot the polar bear sized Raptor.

[glass axle]

polar bears die to guns

utah would be easier to kill with one

[normal lotus]

Yea, after like 5 bullets. And they gotta be big bullets too

[glass axle]

have you seen utahs build

[normal lotus]

Unless you're extremely precise.

[glass axle]

polar bear and a utahs build is much different

polar bear is more robust and bulky

utah is more lean and skinny

you cant compare both of them

two entirely different animals

[normal lotus]

I guess. But also emus have tanked several machine gun rounds.

[glass axle]

slightly Evaded several machine gun rounds*

[normal lotus]

Some emus got hit with 4 rounds from Lewis.

Anyway. What I'm getting at is. You will not be 1 shotting dinosaurs with a gun. Iirc literally every gun will be incredibly rare. And the ammo just as rare.

I get some, Omni probably being the max you could theoretically one shot. But then not only do you have an Omni corpse, but also you just fired a very loud gun, and probably smell of gunpowder

[glass axle]

yeah i said last resort

[limber hull]

u said u would kill every dinosaur, not fight as a last resort lol

[glass axle]

thats the average player

im not scared of some Cera

or a rex

[limber hull]

you literally can't see rex through a basic bush lol

[glass axle]

in fact im soloing a rex with my bare hands 😹

[limber hull]

so generous

hungry rexes everywhere thank you

[glass axle]

im more hungry

[limber hull]

you can't eat rexes as a generation 2 human

[glass axle]

im hungry for their souls

[limber hull]

based on how the guns work atm, and how hard it is to kill even a cerato with one, unlikely

also the fact that a stego is faster than a human

[urban flax]

I remember that video of someone playing a WIP Gen 2 with a pistol that had the rate of fire of a minigun and infinite ammo
And he was struggling to kill 2 juvi carnos that were stuck and couldn't move

[limber hull]

erm its actually gen 2 smh smh

[urban flax]

what ?

[limber hull]

you bastard

[urban flax]

ok I'm calling the mods

For spreading misinformation+being uncivil+youre australian

[limber hull]

what the hell

[glass axle]

atm

[limber hull]

atm they have infinite ammo and no sounds, which will be fixed lol, ceratos will be even harder to kill

[opaque inlet]

@summer thistle I have been told, that when humans shoot their guns, it will make them them able to be smelled or something, the smell of gunpowder, also bullets might be expensive, and the gun will be loud, so there will be some degree of penalty I think.

[normal lotus]

Oh yea it's definitely going to be reckless to fire a gun unless you absolutely have to

[thin meadow]

Nah it's just gray. Eternally gray lol

[icy lion]

You think you could show a screenshot? There's a bug with the Shadows setting that causes constant fog, setting them to Medium usually fixes it

[thin meadow]

Oh yeah I can once I play next 🙂 That might be the issue since others don't seem to have the fog when I mention it in-game

[normal lotus]

@swift tendon iirc punch has stated that they're trying their hardest to combat the hackers, many of them have to be banned manually.

[swift tendon]

sounds great 🙂

[swift tendon]

where is that located?

[normal lotus]

#isle-discussion message

[barren zephyr]

Does anyone else feel as though utahs legs break way to easily

(from falling)

[hallow umbra]

yes

[light rock]

#general-feedback message
Need some thoughts

[thin meadow]

Sorry for taking forever. But here's the wreched fog :k

[icy lion]

Yeaaa that looks like the bug, afaik just changing shadows to medium can fix it, you might not even have to relog

[thin meadow]

Oooof that made it MUCh worse actually lol

Ah okay relogging fixed it 🙂

[wooden agate]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1197368199256215703

global was a cesspool of toxicity and weirdness. if people want it that bad, they can mod it in when the time comes.

group chat, i like though

[icy lion]

@autumn bluff Set shadows to Medium to fix that, you're experiencing a bug in that screenshot

[autumn bluff]

ty

thats why u put "Fix it"

[icy lion]

If you know it's a bug, you use #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 and not #general-feedback

[autumn bluff]

its a feedback too

[kindred forge]

Superlunary - do you happen to know of nesting being bugged? I just thought to ask since I did a feed back thingy on here but couldnt find the bug reports earlier

[icy lion]

What problem are you having?

[kindred forge]

I noticed that in the past there was occurrences of genetics being passed down to offspring in nests. However in the recent patch there is no signs of that said occurence.

I tested it out on three different dino species with it to check but results were showing that genetics were not passed at all ie Eyecolors weren't even changing. For example; Every female hatchling looked like an exact copy of the mother but not even eye color was inherited from the father

Was the genetic inheritance removed or just bugged?

[icy lion]

Hmmmm, definitely sounds like a bug, I haven't heard of any intended changes to color inheritance. Do you know if this is happening to anyone else?

[kindred forge]

It has happened to two other people who have nested

Nesting is a rare occurrence in the community sometimes but I do it most of the time I play as I liked the genetic inheritance in the system of it. I figured it wouldnt be removed out of the blue but also couldn't confirm it was a bug either. Since people aren't nesting I also assumed nobody would report it either because they wouldnt care or notice it.

Oh and it's also seen in a YouTube video from Anthomnia I noticed as well

[limber hull]

i dont see whats so good about it besides making cannibalism easier

[torn river]

I nested today as herrera and noticed that

Both offspring were the males colors and males themselves

[kindred forge]

Yeah normally there's some type of inheritance with the genetics from the mom in males but it wasn't working correctly with this update.

[chilly ermine]

Do players not know that deino has underwater NV? I'm seeing a couple posts with people upvoting them about underwater vision

[kindred forge]

What should I put on the bug report? I'm trying to figure out a good description ;-;

[icy lion]

The simplest way would be to say that children are always copies of the same-sex parent and never get a combination of colors imo

[kindred forge]

Oh okay thank you

I'm setting up the bug report at the moment but I need to nest in game again to see if I can gather img evidence so thank you for the help!

[leaden prism]

@limber hull why

They're being added to the apex system anyways lol

[limber hull]

i personally still disagree with the notion of removing them from officials and not deino, and frankly feel they add more than deino to the active ecosystem

also, removing another herbi from the very limited herbi faction because people somehow manage to get ambushed by it, despite it being garbage at ambush, is bizarre to me

[leaden prism]

I'd rather the interaction from a deino than the stego since stego being at the top of the food chain just means it's a gatekeeper to food AND water. At least deino only can use the water and cannibalizes. That makes it a 0 while stego is just a -1 when it comes to interaction. You can't really hunt it without immense coordination and a lot of players.

I agree with the herbivore roster but I'd rather see dibble and something to replace stego that isn't so broken with how tanky this is and power in one hit.

[limber hull]

deino has more in the department of tankiness and one-hit KOs lol

[leaden prism]

That they can be not even fully grown and do that kinda damage and hide in foliage so easily is worse than deino since it has to stay relatively close to water or in it vs anywhere it wants.

[leaden prism]

I've at least escaped deinos. Can't escape a laggy tail swipe

[limber hull]

I literally have never died to a stego as anything but stego

It is such a non-threat lmao

[leaden prism]

Then you haven't been bored looking for something to hunt as a carnivore before

[limber hull]

dying because i decided to take on a stego is not the fault of the stego

that's an entirely me-issue

[leaden prism]

It is but that doesn't make stego less terrible for the roster

It just means that's yet another thing that you can't interact with it denies interaction because it has that capacity to do so

[limber hull]

sure, but it moderates deinos, so that's reason enough for me to appreciate its existence

[leaden prism]

They don't moderate deinos imo, they jusy can't be brought down by them as easily.

They're just allowed normal water sources when others can't lol

[barren crater]

They 100% can. Anywhere stegos are means deinos can't go on land

[limber hull]

stegos stop land deinos from stealing all availible food and kills the overconfident ones

[barren crater]

Like they camp the banks but that's it

[leaden prism]

A deino can go to another spot in the water or eat someone else drinking. Just not stegos

But that's it, any deino on land is already suseptible to the fact they're losing hydration and stamina faster

[barren crater]

As it stands, deino isn't that bad on land. Can protect itself from plenty of things

[limber hull]

yea but that's it, nothing on land threatens a deiono but a stego

[barren crater]

Stego isn't one of them but

nothing else is messing with deino on land unless in a big group

[leaden prism]

Don't get me wrong here and let's not mistake the conversation. I actually like deino's but would like to see them heavily nerfed and more with a purpose that isn't so all encompassing. Stego on the other hand, can go where it wants, when it wants, and do as it pleases with almost no consequences. It just doean't provide to the game back. Majority of people who are about to lose a stego can just run and log too lol.

[leaden prism]

And that's fair, I agree deino needs changes. But my gripe rn is stego

One evil does not fix another. Just makes 2 evils lol

[limber hull]

i mean, you can't nerf deino for this current roster without making it pathetically weak for the future roster lol

[leaden prism]

Considering it doesn't even have all of its abilities yet, I think it could afford some nerfs.

[limber hull]

hell, deino's very niche makes it immune to the current roster

[leaden prism]

It's supposed to snap things above the water for example. Make pteranodons apart of the diet since its supposed to be able to catch em. But for right now, it doesn't. It generally exists alone atm. I think it picks up its own weight too easily before being more grown. You'll see juvi's pick up grown big things and it looks so out of place. It could afford more balancing, not just nerfs.

[barren crater]

Fair enough 🫡 Stego does need more 'competition' though. I don't think removing it from officials is the way forward. I'd rather they add in mid tiers so the power spike isn't as large.

[leaden prism]

I'm just glad it'll be moving to the apex system. Good riddance to that thing

[barren crater]

I hope they look into adding para, allo, maia and whatever else rather than removing stego

Force them to compete via food + have a somewhat realistic predator

[limber hull]

agreed, but im worried about allo in the current ecosystem. Maia won't be enough to contest it

[barren crater]

Para would be nice

[leaden prism]

Gimme other big boys but don't make them walking castles that have nothing to do wkth anything else in the game

[limber hull]

i mean idk how to tell you this but there will always be an animal like that

like anky

[leaden prism]

I'm def concerned about anky and hope the devs know not to make stego 2.0

[limber hull]

i'm hoping anky is literally just that, an animal that doesn't care and minds its own business 95% of the time

i literally want an animal invincible to most of the roster

[leaden prism]

I'm all about us getting more herbivores and fine with them being stego sized. But atm, if all they need is one hit to kill something and can eat 90 hits, it's a burden to the roster atm

[latent olive]

ceratosaurus.......................

[leaden prism]

And that will be all you see

[limber hull]

im so not excited. i dont play stego, but i very much enjoy its presence as an animal, so i'll miss it a lot. I personally don't like the fact that it specifically gets picked out, nor do I enjoy the concept of animals being banished to unofficials tbh

[limber hull]

lmao no

slow herbivore that picks zero fights? It'll be niche at best

[leaden prism]

I like the dino, I don't like what it does to the game

[limber hull]

I very much enjoy it

I love the concept of animals that aren't forced to engage in the deathmatch

[leaden prism]

As most stego players do lol

[limber hull]

I hate playing stego

I don't even want to play anky

I just like them conceptually

As a part of the whole ecosystem

[leaden prism]

Shouldn't have to, but it also shouldn't be on dino's diets if its near unkillable or has no way to actually die

[cyan flame]

Do remember growth can be a part of that

[limber hull]

I mean any animal on any diet is dumb imho

[cyan flame]

Also that, yes. Food should be based on what you can hunt, not what a list says you like

[leaden prism]

The problem with stego is that you don't need it to be FG to achieve that power though.

[leaden prism]

^

[cyan flame]

You kind of do, up until 4T+, you're surprisingly weak

[leaden prism]

Well a not FG one one shot our fully grown dilos

[cyan flame]

So like, under 60% or where the growth is these days, stego isn't as terrifying as people might think

But the smaller the stego, the lower the damage, but more importantly, the shorter the reach

Meaning that it's easier to bait, juke, and overall approach

Part of what makes baby stegos walking snacks unless you facetank them

With that said, growth curves could do with adjustments again, but so could juvie life being more fun as well

[limber hull]

juvi stegos are so easy to kill, because they retain the sluggish attacks of their adult stage, combined with terrible range

[leaden prism]

Agreed

[cyan flame]

They also have terrible turn radius I think, or used to. You only get the decent turn late in growth, or used to

Got a whole lot of memories of eating bushes as smaller stego and taking ages to just turn around and get going xD

[cyan flame]

I'd imagine part of why stego and deino both grow fast is to get them to a point where they can interact with the roster, rather than just live of AI/eat bushes in a corner and otherwise hide

[leaden prism]

One sec

Moved to computer, phone in bed ain't happening when I'm being called out LOL.

My issue with stego doesn't share with my issues on deino or cera's or anything else fully grown that has that damage capability. A deino ambushes, it sits in water traditionally trying to get food and if desperate, it's going to come on land and get it and place itself at risk. Or deino should receive enough balances that being on land isn't super bad but it's also not a king either. In any case, deino just needs all around adjustments imo.... But it interacts in being a hunter, it sits in water and makes it terrifying to drink from open water sources. Its existance has a purpose to other dinos.

A fully grown cera is the same thing on land, except most people will run away from this thing. It's also a hunter, it looks for prey, if they can kill it or take it on being its size like a carno... fantastic, if not? cera's existance promotes people to have to run or hide. I had an instance earlier where I bumped into something else because I was running from a cera and I've run into this multiple times.

A stego? It's tanky, it one shots... it doesn't look for anyone or anything. It simply exists. You bump into it by accident? It kills you because why not. It's on your diet? Well GL hunting it because a single misstep and hunger becomes the least of your concerns. It eats in migration zones, it can sit on top of food sources that carnivores want just out of spite to bully because it has that power.

Deinosuchus has to cannibalize, ambush, hunt, work at least a little more at managing stamina to make sure it can drown what it wants while not being taken advantage of by other grown deinos. It's a 0 on the roster, it doesn't add to it by being eaten easily or hunted like the rest of the roster, but it does interact with the roster and cannibalizes its own, so while it doesn't give very much atm, it doesn't take away from the population either. It existing will mean a water source is dangerous or another deino will be hunted, etc.

A stego is a -1 imo, it doesn't do any of these things, a player being one of these means 1 less person we see interacting with another since... there's no reason to look for these, or interact with them since they one shot... you're very lucky if they die but they don't provide anything back to the ecosystem because they're not really believably "huntable" outside of LARGE packs and lots of coordination... which is rare outside setup discord calls and groups.

A cera is a +1, it interacts in the same way as a hunter, it looks, it eats a lot more than it should be its penalty is extreme hunger. If you're not keeping it fed, you lose that powerhouse and die. It's a monster but it's meant to be and earns the spot to be one because your nutrients aren't a guarantee and food very easily goes short if you're not in a populated zone. It moves players to other biomes if it's enough of an issue, it fights, it can be hunted/killed by another dino species... it provides interactions and has its own motives to interact.

/rant

[limber hull]

Cerato literally exists to bodyguard lol, that's its core design principle

[leaden prism]

Right but a carno can kill one, it also has to keep moving and eating.

Stego can sit a long time without food or water supply, it doesn't have to move and even if it does, it can afford to without consequence

[limber hull]

This is like the people who say hypsi is a -1. No growth, no need to hunt, can basically stay hidden its entire life and even if it is caught, it feeds nothing to anyone.

[leaden prism]

I think hypsi's a 1 tbh despite the fact it doesn't grow lol

nvm 0

it's on a lot of diets, it's a neat thing but it similarly doesn't interact with anything in a similar way. However, it's not -1 because at least it can be killed/hunted lol.

[limber hull]

you can hunt stego too lol

[leaden prism]

When I do, it kills everyone.

because we need a few bites each and a few dips into where it can hit us while it only needs 1 hit each.

maybe if you're a cera or carno that changes, but then I ask why is this thing on smaller dino's diets?

[limber hull]

because omni and dilo are shockingly good at killing it

[leaden prism]

Troodon would make sense if it did something with its venom to make the damage not hit as hard or their HP not so bulky

[limber hull]

and cerato just scavenges anything it can

[leaden prism]

I don't agree with this lol

[limber hull]

they literally are

[leaden prism]

not until the pin mechanic is in effect

then I'll say raptor can

dilo, that's very debatable without a group

[limber hull]

not at all

[leaden prism]

I'm debating it so yes, it is lol

[limber hull]

dilo can do around 5000 damage with how long its venom lasts lol

all without needing to engage

[leaden prism]

if the venom's functioning which most of the time, stegos go to a spot where they don't spawn.

[leaden prism]

this is also a dilo balancing issue imo, it should engage, the hallucinations shouldn't be henchmen

they should be enough to warrant a distraction and work regardless of being near a cliff, water, or mud. But they shouldn't be how you deal damage, they should be a means to an end, the reason your prey turns its head so you can go in for the bite. Not "do it for me because I got my one bite in"

This all also wouldn't be so bad if stego's tail swipe wasn't the absolute strangest thing to hit with. The timing of it, how slowly it whips out, reading how it goes out... it's overall so bad combined with latency. So you might've thought you were safe, but that tail apparently went 2 meters further ahead of where you were and caught you because ??????

[cyan flame]

Aren't you just describing herbi life in general compared to carni life up there? Sure, deino and cerato "engage" more compared to their herbi counterpart, but that's kind of how that works. And stego is way more huntable than people give it credit for. But if you're asking for more demands on stego to survive, that'd be fine. More herbi competition would be nice, and so on.

[leaden prism]

I'm not because I've hunted a pachy before, I've hunted teno's before, I've hunted every other herbivore or had a situation with them before. Atm a lot of what we're seeing is problematic due to how the mirgation zone works. However, in an ideal game where it's functioning in a way that forces carnivores to seek hunting herbivores in an area they're in because people are playing them... everything but stego is more capable of being hunted. 1 fully grown stego takes far too many troodons, raptors, dilos, etc to take down competently with coordination and numbers. Not accounting for how latency can ruin this too. Every other dino, you can mistep and take it on. A pachy can blind you, fracture you, so on, but you still can fight back if it's out to kill you or it can run away if you were hunting it and it afforded itself a means to escape. A teno still has to land a straight back kick or the tail slam if you're in range of its butt + some extra damage to kill. It's relatively tanky and heals a decent rate too, it can combo one shot someone, but only if you put yourself in the position that's literally directly behind it to be kicked.

[urban flax]

It's always funny to me how people will complain about stego being unkillable but defend deino who is the same level of uninteractive but worse

[leaden prism]

I already made my claims on that, I'm not defendning that deino is fine and that isn't the conversation either.

[urban flax]

Also 2 troodons are enough to kill a stego
I've seen a clip of it

[leaden prism]

post it

[urban flax]

I don't have time to look for it I'm going to work

[leaden prism]

bet.

[limber hull]

people say that stego uses the environment as a crutch, but its current design more necessitates it, because its base kit is that bad

[urban flax]

It isn't that hard to envision
Stego's skill ceiling is so low, as long as you're sufficiently skilled you just can't get killed by one

[leaden prism]

idc how it uses the enviornment, I'm actually fine with it being able to hide or put itself into a position that makes it so its cornered but has the offensive ability to send its pointy bits at the opponent. What's problematic about it is the room for error is none against these things unless you run a tank or a tanky nutrition.

[urban flax]

Unless you get a lag spike, but that's the same with every dino

[leaden prism]

It is but at least if I get a lag spike against a pachy, I won't be dead from that 1 headbutt they got in because of it

[limber hull]

tanky nutrition? that ain't a thing

[urban flax]

Depends on what you're playing as

[limber hull]

that's health regen

[leaden prism]

and locked hp

[limber hull]

which is just health regen 2.0

both are health regen

[leaden prism]

stego it doesn't :D

[leaden prism]

explain

[urban flax]

Because everything else is just that small compared to stego

[leaden prism]

because I was told it was something else

[leaden prism]

which is a problem

[urban flax]

Obviously as a carno you'll have an easier time and more room for error trying to hunt something about 1/4 of your size than hunting something 3x your size

[leaden prism]

^

[limber hull]

locked HP is a specific type of lost health which doesn't heal unless you rest, and takes MUCH longer to heal than regular damage. That's it. Protein isn't unlocking your hidden potential like you're Gohan, it's simply making the more slowly regenerating health regen faster

[leaden prism]

boy I wish our hud reflected any of that information

I was told it was a % amount of health from damage you take, like a resistance

[limber hull]

nope

if it was, a lot more people would be running it

[leaden prism]

misinformation fun

[limber hull]

you think a straight up health buff would go ignored for stamina? Hell no lol

[leaden prism]

nutrition is looking less and less important to me the more I find out about it lol

outside growth

[limber hull]

well i mean

nutrient buffs shouldn't be so insanely significant

it's why carbs remain my least fave designed nutrient

[leaden prism]

they're such small %'s that hardly go noticed as is lol

[limber hull]

dude 25% is not bad lol

[leaden prism]

it wasn't until 25% scent/NV I actually noticed any-

exactly, but the others? nah

10% bleed resist, I tried it, it didn't look much different when I tried a pack of stegos earlier with some friends

still bleed, same amount of hits, still red health, still a lot of bleed

which I still don't get how bleed works, because it deals damage to health but running out of it in itself means death... but 9/10 I run out of health from it after a hit faster than it draining by itself

[limber hull]

bleed doesn't deal damage to health

[leaden prism]

then how did I go from orange to red while running with bleed on

[limber hull]

you are getting SO much misinformation lol

[leaden prism]

probably

nothing's communicated in the game to convey how anything works lol

[limber hull]

bleed reduces health regen and stam regen

also, bleed goes faster the faster you go

also, bleed lasts longer the less health, food, water and stam you have

[leaden prism]

none of this information shown in game :'D

[limber hull]

mhm

[leaden prism]

so then nothing rn has lasting, draining HP value like a dot?

to health specifically

[limber hull]

i think troodon does and that's it

and troodon's is VERY minor

[leaden prism]

I've never heard it deals dot damage, just pounce damage increases through stages gd apparently I know nothing about the game anymore lol or ever did

[limber hull]

it does so little DoT you'd basically never notice

[leaden prism]

every guide, every page, every question I've asked, no one's told me it's a dot lol, god I'd love a proper guide system in the game to be implemented

not even a tutorial, just a page that says "you do this, this is how you live, gl"

[cyan flame]

Yes, the other, smaller and weaker critters are easier to kill. No dispute there, but I only claimed stegos are easier to kill than people think or give them credit for. Also troodons should never, ever, be able to hunt a stego, the fact that they can speak to how bad stego really is. (yes, you can use the terrain, as everything can, but the fact that you might have to is questionable at the least.)

[leaden prism]

That stego is on their diet is a concern for me :'D

My credit to stegos comes from the time I've spent playing resulting in every sighting with them resulting in a loss of a group member, me dying, them gatekeeping food I hunted for to bully, or water for that note.

[limber hull]

omni has deino on its diet let's not try to think about it too much

[leaden prism]

They have yet to provide a good experience as far as I've seen.

[leaden prism]

That is indeed another one I don't understand lol

[cyan flame]

Not to me, juvies, maybe even very early subs. Hatchlings, if people nested.

[limber hull]

omni also has cerato on its diet, the logic isn't quite there

[leaden prism]

Troodons having stego on their diet only makes sense under the implication you have a quarter of a server's worth in troodons that can all coordinate without killing each other imo. Which is asking a lot