general-feedback-discussion

[lavish dawn]

I understand the venom I was just saying we couldn't get it to tier 3 because of stam

[serene wave]

how many ?

because, you can get anyone to t3 - alone

[icy lion]

@sullen tartan Spiro is still on the Spiro branch

[tawny pendant]

many ppl bagging for update/fix stam to make game more comfortable playable.

[sullen tartan]

nobody is playing that.. not even on the community servers are dead. playing that would be like playing gateway right now cant find anyone and always dying to pve smh

[serene wave]

how you die to pve ?

[icy lion]

Maybe falling?

[serene wave]

Ok. My bad.

[sullen tartan]

and playing gateway in its current state with how buggy it is how unfinished it is and more. people who have jobs of lives and things to do, these huge changes and map is def not needed imo

falling off dumb hills, starving, dehydration, cant regen stam good whiel starving or dehydrated kinda just a simulator now to me

[serene wave]

what was it before to you ?

[sullen tartan]

a game i could come on take time to grow my dino have fun stalk prey travel freely and just have fun now it feels more of a chore. now your going to be sittign afk more now just to grow before you do anything in gateway,

[serene wave]

stalking prey has become even more fun on gateway if you ask me

[sullen tartan]

again this is all my opinion and feedback, i doubt they take anything into consideration, nothings going to be done or reverted to appease the player base who made the game in the first place. its a shame thats how games lose a massive player base due to soem crazy changes that werent needed oh well

[serene wave]

why dont you give em some time ? you are not the first one here

[sullen tartan]

cant find anyone when i play for hours besides other gators and im getting canni cause they sat at spawn for whole grow. another problem in the game, you must be talking about the ai teno they added you stalk cause i cant find anyone for hours on a supposed capped server and im on official..

[serene wave]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-javi-gutierrez-pedro-pascal-the-unbearable-weight-of-massive-talent-happy-gif-25135496

[sullen tartan]

they had time to sort gateway out and this drastic stam change... but threw it in our face anyways an unfinished map and more

[lavish dawn]

Didn't have the stam and was starving to death

[serene wave]

@toxic birch if they do that, you can stay in the air forever. i like those up and downdraft ideas more

[toxic birch]

True, I think I’m gonna change it to an idea I had but forgot about, where there could be something like thermal currents that you could elevate upwards with like how vultures use them. Same thing you said.

Actually no I’m just gonna delete it my idea is irrelevant

[serene wave]

no idea is irrelevant in a sea of tears

[final peak]

Help me

[serene wave]

try restarting steam

[final peak]

You to me?

[serene wave]

yes

[final peak]

I'm trying to update my nvidia drivers

in the GeForce app

[serene wave]

thats good

[final peak]

but an error pops up, what does Steam have to do with this?

[serene wave]

uhm what error ?

[final peak]

just a message: download failed

[serene wave]

maybe windows update as well if you havent for a long time

[final peak]

how to update Windows? I have version 11

[serene wave]

settings - windows update

[boreal nymph]

do sanctuaries give perfect diets? mine just had mushrooms and didnt do anything for diet

[regal sluice]

the mushrooms should give all 3

[boreal nymph]

yeahh.. mine didnt while playing stego.. xD just filled stomach

thought it was a massive waste of time to go to it lol

[regal sluice]

hmmm... have only tried it with gally and it worked for me

[worn kraken]

Do you guys like the fact that they also deleted the hp % from the character screen? I personally would want it back

[serene wave]

yea

[regal sluice]

I'm ok with it, I can see why they changed it

[worn kraken]

Why do you think they removed it?

[serene wave]

"ok guys, i can take 2 more bites - then i have to sit down"

[desert arch]

basically this

[regal sluice]

yeah that

[worn kraken]

Makes sense

Although I still preferred it visible

[desert arch]

you can still pretty accurately tell your hp thanks to the health monitor

28 or below - red
48 or below - orange
78 or below - yellow
78 or above - blue

[sullen tartan]

would rather see it be implemented back into the game but on screen next to stam or something

[serene wave]

and a minimap on top of it!

[desert arch]

yeah cuz that would be healthy for the game!

[serene wave]

https://tenor.com/view/serious-sam-damjan-mravunac-eagle-eyes-raise-eyebrows-gif-17695610

[sullen tartan]

yea but in the middle of a heated battle and youre bout to die and u cant just keep checking your inv for your health especially with how crap stam is now... they want to go for realism a dino would know if theyre bout to die or low so there for we should easily be able to see how low our hp is quickly to asses to run or fight etc. the blood screens are too insanly dramatic and cant accurately determine the health off the damage screens

[rare wasp]

can you not assess your hurt? doesnt your character get more scared and your screen more red and your heart faster? it sounds to me like you are able to tell when your hurt just not your exact % which no one cna

[serene wave]

https://tenor.com/view/tab-tab-key-key-keyboard-wide-gif-23888112

[sullen tartan]

hence why i saaid a hp bar or indicator needs to be implmented like the stam and food/ water icons to choose if i wanna stay and fight or run..

clearly yall be pveing and used to having safety to look at your inv lol and it shows

[rare wasp]

np hp bar irl

[sullen tartan]

theres also no food water or stam bar whats your point

you make no sense dude lol

[urban flax]

wdym no hp bar irl ? You can't see yours ?

[rare wasp]

nope

[urban flax]

That's odd
Maybe you should see a doctor about it

[rare wasp]

you make sense they want to go for realism a dino would know if theyre bout to die or low so there for we should easily be able to see how low our hp is quickly to asses to run or fight etc.

[serene wave]

i would post my hp bar... but...

[icy lion]

Blood screens need tweaking

But other than that there's still the heartrate monitor on the character menu

[rare wasp]

lol they should add a pve mode with the heart in there for some of yall XD

[sullen tartan]

in the heat of battle vs many other dinos you dont have the luxery to run without running out of stam to hide and check your health withiut being runned down. thats my point bloodscreens arent the only issue

[icy lion]

I don't think you need to check your health in that situation tbh, just gotta get the hell out of dodge

[sullen tartan]

nvm clearly the point went over some of yalls heads all g

[serene wave]

nah man you just press tab and have a quick looksy

obvsl not while tanking hits

[sullen tartan]

and you must be playing pve where your not beinng attacked chased or hunted...

period

[serene wave]

nah my friend, but i chose my fights carefully

[sullen tartan]

so do i but its the isle and ambushes do happen... lol clueless

[rare wasp]

lol heres some advice the heart monitor at the bottom in the tab yellow means 50% or under 25% is red and dead

either way youre use to it being too ez gotta be smart now

[sullen tartan]

im done chattin gl on this unfinished map with the stam issues play it thru and fix it lmk when its done

[serene wave]

thank god

[rare wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-jajaja-funny-memes-lol-gif-10265758410603600743

[sullen tartan]

🤷‍♂️

[serene wave]

https://tenor.com/view/shoo-go-away-johnny-depp-captain-jack-sparrow-gif-4877675

[sullen tartan]

and your the type of players to allow them to get away with such garbage changes and d ride them and keep playing lol

enjoy buddy

[rare wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/whomp-whomp-gif-12107264

[empty fossil]

@hidden pilot i guess its fine that such a crucial thing as joining the server is not working properly 👍

[grim cedar]

just FYI about nightvision
I played with a friend yesterday. We were Pteras spawning at the Lake.
So my friend got a new PC recently with good specs. allthough i play on a 6 year old rig wich just holds up to todays games
So He had no problems with seeing at night vith nightvision
Me on the other hand could not see anything infront of me.
After sharing streams on disc, i've seen that he with high higher graphics can see the whole lake ant hills behind whilst i can not even see the ledge of the bridge im sitting on
BIG BIG problem IMO u have to fix that, it gives unfair advantages

And no i had no problems with the stam on ptera. People need to adjust, it'll happen overtime, don't give in to the SHIFT+W Deathmatchgamers

[rare wasp]

yea its something i hope they address soon! although ive also noticed monitors play a big difference too i can see fine but my friend with an old monitor cant see much at all. could be different than what your experiencing though

[sullen tartan]

EVERYONE WE HAVE TO STOP WRITING THE SAME COMPLAINTS... only way for them to really implement changes is if we the consumer stop playing the game and they have empty servers. WE ALL NEED TO TAKE A STAND for them making gameplay worse 1.Stam needs to be reverted back to how it was before gateway, 2. bring back spiro while gateway gets worked on behind the scenes. 3. fix the issue with que always being full and not placing you into a que/ servers showing incorrect player count. 4.nightvision is absolute garbage in gateway compared to spiro, 5. the weather... i cant see a single thing witht his fog man like come on... and more can be listed but im bout done wasting my time on this map

[pseudo pebble]

Agreed

[rare wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[grim cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-13261737358986789359

[serene wave]

https://tenor.com/view/kuzco-boombaby-i'mback-gif-117677590699355548

[rare wasp]

el putty cat i thought you said you were done talking here

[grim cedar]

verry constructive xD I WANT THIS BACK I WANT THAT BACK xD give ideas or something solutions u know, u toddler

[sullen tartan]

yall ever heard of supply and demand.... theyre simply not supplying us with good updates and gameplay so we need to demand change. keep playing hwo it is nothing wil change clearlyu

[sullen tartan]

im not the only one who feels this way kid lmao you sound like the toddler

[rare wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/quotation-marks-chris-farley-air-quotes-supposedly-quote-gif-20491722

[empty fossil]

@icy lion Why didn't you delete other messages about the same thing? only mine.

[sullen tartan]

careful bong your going down a route of posting nsfw and will get a warning.

[river marten]

my solution is they bring the stamina back

[serene wave]

wow havent heared that one before

[grim cedar]

u bought the game already, i also stopped playing it on spiro for 3 months it's a test, u can test whenever however u want

[rare wasp]

lol what kind of sicko sees a baby and thinks of nsfw are you okay???

[icy lion]

I can't read every message that's been posted in the feedback channels, I'm sorry if I've missed ones similar to yours

[sullen tartan]

gateway should be on the backburner where spiro is.. not the other way around why do we the consumer have to suffer and fix the map for them... its a spit in our faces

[rare wasp]

i think they 100% see our complaints and are working on it be patient!

[grim cedar]

just go? nobody needs you 🙂

[serene wave]

whats crazy to me is, when i played spiro there were not much pteras around ... now on the new map all the ptera "mains" come here to whine

[sullen tartan]

name calling verbally attackign someone is agasint rules kid read them

if i get warned so will you bet.

[rare wasp]

name calling? XD when did i name call you

[icy lion]

Get this channel back on topic, please, there's no reason to be hostile

[grim cedar]

i did and i stand with it, he is a crybaby xD

[rare wasp]

also this is for discussing feed back not arguing so lets stop

[sullen tartan]

they started it give them warning or a mute on chat

[grim cedar]

no intresting solution, no ideas for changes, just WÄÄÄH WÄÄÄH I WANT IT THIS AND THAT WAY WÄÄ

[empty fossil]

My message was only meant to show frustration at the fact that such an important thing wasn't working. I'm sure the developers know about it, so there's no point in reporting it but okey I won't write about it any more

[sullen tartan]

these kids are not discussing anything but givign insults

[rare wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/innocent-funny-cute-anya-spy-family-gif-25751850

Xd sorry i cant help it this kid is too funny

[grim cedar]

you were insulting the devs, whats worse u think?

[sullen tartan]

its a feedback/discussion chat for a reason you slow?

[icy lion]

@rare wasp@sullen tartan@grim cedar Drop the conversation

[rare wasp]

yes maam!

[grim cedar]

o7

[serene wave]

@vale pawn close to the big bridge at rivers, theres a cave.

[vale pawn]

more

[serene wave]

yes, please!

[rare wasp]

more caves that have lots of chambers would be a beautiful thing although im curious to see how dark it would be inside (for caves without ceiling holes)

[civic peak]

I'm excited to see what they'll be doing with the map and the domes. Caves would be a fun addition.

[serene wave]

@jai you pick the full server and wait in queue

[warm wing]

how am i supposed to wait in queue when it shoves me back to this screen every single time iclick connect 😐

no reason both of these servers should be saying they're full over and over. bonkers

[serene wave]

you gotta pick the 100/100 servers

[warm wing]

that sounds bass ackwards

their queue system is horrid then if that's the case

[serene wave]

well, what can ya do

[warm wing]

complain and hope they add a few points of common sense to their toolbelt 🙂

[serene wave]

until then .. this is the way!

[gritty nacelle]

I think the stam regen issue needs to be tweaked between creatures. I’m playing ptera right now and feeling it so much more than when I was when playing omni, the point of ptera is chill exploration and being forced to sit for longer whilst also not being able to regen stam whilst flying makes that kinda hellish

[tranquil igloo]

my audio is beyond broken. it sounds like its going through a trash compactor. its very laggy / choppy audio. I've reinstalled, deleted config file in %localappdata%, but its still broken. any suggestions to fix would be great! cant and wont play until its fixed, its horrid! Also, stam is horrid and makes me not want to play this game because of that as well. what happened recently??

[slim osprey]

@modest atlas what does posting old screenshots do? they've already made multiple adjustments to the new stam and have said they will continue doing so

for some reason people want their way right NOW lol that isnt how things work anywhere

[modest atlas]

Where exactly did they address this? I can’t find anything.

[limber hull]

no i think i will keep playing

[slim osprey]

on their live videos and most recently the patch notes...

the most recent patch notes to be exact

[limber hull]

also this is the funniest goddamn statement i've ever read simply because that's not what supply and demand is at all

[slim osprey]

they have already made changes, but go ahead and see how you throwing an adult temper tantrum is gonna give you what you want. I'm willing to guess that if people really stopped playing the game they would just shut it down not magically give what people want. lol grow up and welcome to the real world

[slim osprey]

if these changes are causing you to "suffer" you might wanna consider doing something else entirely...

[limber hull]

It's going to be funny to watch people realise that their protests are ridiculous. Lots of people not on the discord literally do not care

[pulsar prawn]

ptera's spawn in water access, spawn me inside a dead-end cave

[night idol]

I swear there are paid actors in this discord that meatride the devs on every bad decision they’ve made just to feed into their delusions. It’s insane

[normal lotus]

Why you gotta be so uncivil my dude?

That's just uncalled for.

[slim osprey]

that’s the best feedback you could provide?

[limber hull]

I swear there's a guy with 50 alt accounts in this discord to all universally agree with the same statement repeated over and over again to feed into their hatred for one change. It's insane

[slim osprey]

out of every dino i’ve played ptera needs an actual stamina buff and night vision buff

[night idol]

I’ve been following this game since 2018 and tbh it’s just sad at this point

[limber hull]

Yea, ptera is weird atm lol

[normal lotus]

Ive been since 2019, your point?

[normal lotus]

I do agree with this

[night idol]

So much potential but the devs are always 1 step forward 2 steps back and never listens to the community. Also yea to all the dev meat riders out there you guys are doing your job well it’s working

[limber hull]

Like honestly, ptera isn't as bad as everyone says, I've played it, but stuff like the NV is weird

[normal lotus]

They have listened to the community. But also stayed to their vision.

And don't call me a meat rider like that'll win you the argument

It's honestly the most childish saying I've heard since "dead game lol."

[limber hull]

Remember, you can't like things that they don't like

That makes you wrong and a meat rider

Your opinion is the wrong one

[mild walrus]

Mr carcher you are notoriously a d rider for them though, this much we know

[night idol]

Ah yes the classic “they do listen to the community” meaning they choose to listen to the delusional robots like you guys

[limber hull]

I literally have gone on rants about stuff in this game I hate and want removed but sure

I agree with everything the devs do

[mild walrus]

You do

[limber hull]

I don't and have been very vocal about the stuff I hate

[mild walrus]

We seen it every day you come in here and shut down great suggestions with some insider fact about how you have heard the devs say this or that

[normal lotus]

In my (and a lot of people) here opinion. Actually like the changes, albeit they do require changes. They don't necessarily have to simply be reverted.

[night idol]

Every single time I’ve looked in this chat I’ve seen mr carchar arguing on behalf of the devs

[mild walrus]

Me too

I’ve even accused him of being a dev

[limber hull]

i argue on behalf of me lol

[night idol]

“I have on numerous occasions disagreed with the devs! 🤓

[limber hull]

You have also on numerous occasions disagreed with the devs

We're not so different it seems

[night idol]

I swear they’re paid actors

[normal lotus]

Trying to not escalate this. But half of the things the isle has that's going for it would be gone if they listened to people saying "we don't like it. STAAAAAHP."

[mild walrus]

I mean the stamina is really bad and I find it so weird anyone is cheering that on lol

Like I think stamina should matter and be weighed properly on when to use it, but making it SO bad was crazy

[limber hull]

That's called a matter of opinion. It's amazing, humans can have several of them, and sometimes, they aren't the same

[normal lotus]

It is good. Not great and still requires tweaking.

[mild walrus]

Tweaking makes me think like oh let’s marginally change it by 5% per animal and I need more change than that lol and an apology

[mild walrus]

Then I’ll ask, what do you find joy in sitting there for 5 mins after running for 20 seconds?

[normal lotus]

If I were to quote hakita the lead and only dev of ultrakill "If I were to listen to half of the suggestions my community has said. This game would suck."

[normal lotus]

Maybe instead...Don't run.

[mild walrus]

When there is 15 mins of good day light, and 1/3 of that is filled sitting

[limber hull]

I don't because that doesn't happen

[mild walrus]

Right cause a raptor walking so casually makes sense lol

[limber hull]

Yea?

[serene wave]

i have joy regulating my stamina and other resources

[normal lotus]

Yea...it is.

[mild walrus]

Well so do I oodd

[limber hull]

A raptor sprinting literally everywhere makes less sense

[mild walrus]

They ran in packs in every single adaptation we have seen them in lol

[normal lotus]

Have you even watched prehistoric planet?

[mild walrus]

And not to mention every previous iteration of the game did not have stam so nerfed

[lyric spoke]

Well, it's a good thing raptors before couldn't literally sprint everywhere, because they literally couldn't. What??

[mild walrus]

As a Utah in legacy you can run across half the map in one burst lol

In spiro you can too

It makes more sense sorry

[normal lotus]

It makes zero sense.

[limber hull]

You can actually do that better with the new stam changes, because raptor got significantly more sprint time, as did all creatures (besides deino and cera)

[mild walrus]

Then why was it the game for the entirety of its existence a normal feature

[normal lotus]

Running for that long makes absolutely no sense.

[mild walrus]

I mean humans can run marathons

People play sports

[limber hull]

Humans are one of the only creatures designed to do so

[mild walrus]

Animals race

[normal lotus]

Yea. And we are literally one of the most endurance efficient animals on earth

[limber hull]

Our stamina is unparalleled in the animal kingdom

Sweating does wonders for us

[mild walrus]

Meanwhile horses

Dogs can run long distance too

[normal lotus]

Horses wolves and hyenas are our ONLY COMPETITON

[limber hull]

Yea basically

[normal lotus]

Exceptions that prove the rule.

[mild walrus]

Essentially a small lizard creature shouldn’t have to stop for 5 minutes after running for 10 seconds lol

[normal lotus]

Imagine if you SPRINTED FULL TILT UNTIL YOU COULDNT RUN ANYMORE.

Then wait a few minutes and do it again. Can ya do it?

[limber hull]

Also gallimimus has NUTS stam now. Like jesus it runs for 4 whole minutes

[normal lotus]

As it should be.

[rare wasp]

yes actually humans are made to do that now lizard monsters idk

[mild walrus]

Like talking to two brick walls

[limber hull]

It takes as long to regen all its stam as it does to reduce it. It's crazy

[mild walrus]

Well I hope you guys know that the overwhelming majority do not share your opinion and feel it has ruined the game and if you don’t believe me look at the majority of complaints on #general-feedback

I don’t want unlimited stamina, they just need to give a good portion back

[limber hull]

But you literally got more stam

[rare wasp]

thats facts but the devs do have their own vision though so even if majority disagrees sadly they make last call\

[limber hull]

Every creature got more runtime with the update

[lyric spoke]

Yes, so crazy that the creature designed to be always sprinting can sprint more than the others. Mindblowing.

[limber hull]

Yes, it takes longer to regen, but everything has more stam (besides the afformentioned deino and cera)

[mild walrus]

And beipi

And ptera

[normal lotus]

Ptera was an oversight.

[mild walrus]

More stam compared to what, the last update? lol

[limber hull]

Beipi and ptera actually got more stam too. Beipi is just detrimented by other mechanics

[serene wave]

adult beipi isnt made to travel no

[limber hull]

And ptera got a weirdly long regen time, equal to galli and deino

[mild walrus]

We were complaining about the stam since the launch of gateway

Not since this latest patch

[icy lion]

Ptera's could be cut by a good 30-45sec imo

[limber hull]

Yea, absolutely. Also I'd like it to have decent NV, IDK why it's that bad. Give it to quetz if you want something with bad NV that flies

[rare wasp]

i think if they leave stam maybe fix hunger to match

[icy lion]

Ptera cera and deino all have weirdly bad NV yea

[icy lion]

iirc Punch has mentioned the team looking into hunger+thirst tweaks, and trot and walk speeds are going to be tweaked as well

[rare wasp]

nice!

[limber hull]

I mean deino at least has decent underwater NV. The other two are just bad.

I'm actually surprised why they picked cera of all things to have terrible NV, you'd think carno should be worse

[icy lion]

Which are my biggest issues, the stam on its own is fine bar some small adjustements to me

[icy lion]

I damn hope carno eventually has worse than cera

[mild walrus]

Has anything mentioned regarding improving optimization for lower end RTX graphics cards? I have a 2060 and it’s not meshing well with my game. Jumps from 30 fps to 6 for about 3 seconds and then back to 30-50.

[rare wasp]

ive personally gotten use to stam my problem is stam wait time/food but as you said their tweaking food already so no need to say more on that boat

[icy lion]

Optimization is always being worked on, sadly it's not something that can be one-and-done

[limber hull]

Carno really kinda just won out this update

• Insane accel
• Doubled stam
• Decent NV
• The only nerf it got was a charge cooldown that doesn't do much of anything
• Hunger buff

[limber hull]

I have a similar issue with my 2070. It actually sesems to be linked to time of day

Sunset and sunrise just NUKE frames for no good reason

[icy lion]

Oh yea that seems to happen to everyone

No idea why

[mild walrus]

Thank you that was helpful ❤️

[limber hull]

Also as of last patch I randomly started getting 60FPS from 40-50

[icy lion]

I can only assume it's something with the lighting

[limber hull]

Probably

Also, long views can be detrimental to performance from what I've seen

Which isn't great

Getting a higher view of the island will hurt frames in my experience

[mild walrus]

Something happened with my water and textures the other day. It was a huge exploit because I could see everyone around the map, and the world had a checkered print on all the trees and grass.

[serene wave]

it actually didnt for me, only at night at times

[limber hull]

I believe that's due to your effects setting being too low

It makes it into essentially unreal basic texture

[mild walrus]

Yeah that’s what it looked like and it went away with a restart

[night idol]

I still don’t understand why people enjoy these changes. Even punchpacket himself stated that they are to “slow the pace of the game down” when the gameplay loop itself was already slow asf and there is nothing else to do except grow, kill, and explore. The stam change is the biggest offender to this and literally slows down everything in that list, thus making it boring. How is a slower game more fun????

It logically doesn’t make any sense at all but you do you I guess some people are just different (paid actors)

[limber hull]

you're not allowed to have fun unless it's MY way of having fun

everyone is a PAID ACTOR, I am the ONLY REAL PERSON

[night idol]

I haven’t heard a single reasonable explanation as to why the stam change is good. So enlighten me if you want, but clearly you think I’m too egotistical or something to understand

[limber hull]

I doubt I'll give you one, because I legitimately do not believe you will accept anything that doesn't agree with your opinion because you literally refer to everyone who doesn't agree with you as a paid actor

You're making it pretty clear you don't want your mind changed, you just want everyone else to be wrong and to fall in line with your ideas because otherwise they're pawns to the big bad devs

[night idol]

I’ve just noticed a pattern that’s all. But ok if you don’t feel like it then that’s fine. The people who agree with the stam changes usually just say that it makes “stamina more skillful and realistic” which is amazing to me

[limber hull]

i personally don't care at all about the realism part because this game really doesn't scream realism to me

The skill part I do agree with, it does feel like there is more thinking that goes into hunting and navigating now which I've enjoyed

[night idol]

Because both of those reasons are just not true. If anything the skillful part of combat is managing your stamina in a fight and knowing your mechanics well. With the stam change it basically just screws all of that over and if you have less stamina than your opponent then you lose the fight or are at a significant disadvantage just because you used some of it previously. Navigating skillfully? This change literally just makes it so you have to trot everywhere and cannot run so you don’t waste your stam if you get into a fight. Idk about you but that doesn’t seem skillful at all it’s just slower and more boring navigating

[rain dock]

Imagine not being able to run infinitely or to fight non-stop....

[lucid robin]

..that wasn't really a bug, it was a missing feature-

[limber hull]

IDK, I found old stam really dull

When raptor fights boiled down to "run in, pounce, get bucked, leave, hide in a bush to rest, repeat"

[rain dock]

Now you have to plan and think through your actions

[limber hull]

It didn't feel like stam management, your gameplan felt like you just pumped everything then left to regen

[night idol]

?? When did I ever say that you can run infinitely. It just makes navigating less tedious and exploring easier when you can actually run sometimes instead of trotting and walking around the whole map. And the map is now bigger so that’s cool

[limber hull]

Trotting will be getting buffed, same with walking

[night idol]

And that’s a good change. I’m glad they are doing that. But your point with the raptors earlier isn’t valid because you can still do that now even with the stam change. It just takes longer and makes fights slower and tedious

[lyric spoke]

I personally love holding W for hours at a time. Doesn't get mundane or boring at all

[rain dock]

His whole thing was that you can't just keep running in constantly in short bursts, you repeat "you can still do that now", and then proceed to point out you can't as it slower and takes longer

[night idol]

Exactly? Making it less fun?? It’s not more skillful it’s just tedious

[limber hull]

Because holding W and shift and occasionally pressing h increases that level of engagement

[night idol]

No idea what you’re getting at

[lyric spoke]

It actually does, yes.

[night idol]

It decreases it because you are walking around less and you get to your destination faster???

[lyric spoke]

I would love to hear how it doesn't.

[night idol]

You are pressing w and walking constantly less because you can sprint and get there faster and not have to trot for half an hour? What is the argument with the “navigating skillfully” that literally makes no sense

[limber hull]

I mean, part of the point is to make it more about the journey than just making to the destination. They literally added migration zones for that purpose. Old stam would kinda just invalidate any form of migration since it'd essentially boil down to migration changing and everything sprinting over there in a minute and being done with it

[lyric spoke]

The journey sucks. The stam actually makes the migration less effective because of the stress of having it switch up so much upon getting there.

I don't even go to migrations anymore. I just go where I hear sounds.

Because player interactions are far more entertaining than holding w. For hours. Literally hours.

[night idol]

You’re acting like the journey is some scenic walk through an amazing, beautiful landmark of the world or something. It’s a video game and the new map does look really nice, but why can’t you do that with the old stam system? How does that invalidate that type of gameplay?

[limber hull]

I tend to make a lot of interactions on said path, so I really don't see where this comes from

[lyric spoke]

Idk about you I'm popping off with excitement seeing the same bush model repeated for miles.

[night idol]

The gameplay loop as it is right now (since there is literally nothing else to do in the game yet) is growing, exploring and killing. That’s it. This new stam change makes all of that slower and less fun, as I stated before. If anything there are less interactions now as people cannot find each other as much because they’re busy walking around a giant map

[lucid robin]

this and all the messages before this. i agree with basically everything u have said.

[night idol]

Well good for you I’m glad you’re somehow getting lucky and managing to find people while walking around, but that’s subjective and I’m pretty sure most people don’t have that experience

[lyric spoke]

Swifty says what we're all thinking, but don't have the energy/care to argue.

[night idol]

Exactly. The only people who actively use this chat are the people who frequent this server and have made it there own so naturally they will defend the people who own it

Which I understand, but they don’t get that the majority of the community disagrees with them sometimes and decide to meatride the devs and try to prevent actual decent changes from happening for once

[limber hull]

Again with the meatride stuff lol

Literally cannot accept people have different opinions

I'm not forcing myself to have fun for the devs sake

It's not like I believe this is the perfect update

[lyric spoke]

The fact that weeks into this stam change its still the only thing being talked about in this channel says that it is an inevitable complaint that the devs will have to cater to. I see no point in defending it unless the devs really enjoy having a dead game available to a small handful of people with the time to play it. I don't.

[limber hull]

(because it def is not)

[limber hull]

The devs have stated how they're catering to it

Buffing trots, walks, hunger and thirst across the board

Which is a needed change

[hollow tide]

You’re in this chat 24/7 defending the current stam it’s insane to me

[lyric spoke]

Mild compensation.

Not really what people are asking for.

[hollow tide]

Impossible to have a discussion without you going off about the same thing

[limber hull]

It's been entertaining so why not

[hollow tide]

Because you have the same talking points and it’s boring

[lyric spoke]

It's more likely you enjoy typing than playing. In which case I guess the stam changes really do fit your playstyle, so can't blame ya.

[night idol]

Yeah exactly. There’s no other way to describe it other than the way I did. It’s just sad. These guys just try to dominate the discussion channels because it’s all they do 24/7 and it hinders actual changes that people agree on from happening

[hollow tide]

Yep.

[limber hull]

mate

the general feedback channel is right there. Devs care way more about that than this chat

[night idol]

Like we get it, ur trying to be different and u have a differing opinion, but jfc from what I’ve seen atleast 90% of the community hates these changes so they should happen

[night idol]

And how do you know that exactly?

Are you a dev? No

[limber hull]

because i've seen them respond more to that channel than this one

[hollow tide]

It’s just annoying how it’s impossible to talk in this chat without your input because you spam the same response every like 5–10 mins and frankly I’d rather hear other opinions

You inhibit actual discussions

[limber hull]

there are two opinions

[hollow tide]

You’re using this as your own personal chat room or something you hang in here 24/7

[limber hull]

"stam good" and "stam bad"

you see enough "stam bad" in general feedback, and because one guy is talking about how he likes it, he's "reducing other opinions"

[lyric spoke]

Watch out, he's a major in game design, he knows everything. Of course I wouldn't know that without him saying it as a talking point to the mass of arguments I've witnessed.

[limber hull]

i stay here because it's entertaining when im bored

and since i'm done with uni, not much to kill time with atm

[hollow tide]

Take a step outside buddy

[amber cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/pop-gif-26588103

[limber hull]

im lying in the sun rn lol

its a warm day out

its really quite nice

[lucid robin]

go do something with your life then. read a book, ride a bike, draw something. u really shouldnt spend a majority of ur day arguing about a video game with random people you don't even know on a discord server...

idek why i bother saying that tho

u wont listen

[amber cosmos]

Refreshing this chat is do go on

[night idol]

Where tf do you live?? It’s 3 am - 5 am in the EU. If you’re laying in the sun rn then I’m Elon Musk

[limber hull]

australia

[amber cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/jason-momoa-chair-popcorn-time-ready-to-party-dis-gon-be-good-gif-24174564

[limber hull]

it's a warm spring day lol

[lyric spoke]

LMAO. +1

[lucid robin]

nice pfp 😎

[limber hull]

i exercise, i spend time with friends, i have plans tomorrow to meet up with a friend and chat while walking our dogs, this is just literally a timekiller when nothing is on

[lucid robin]

i literally see u here EVERY SINGLE TIME i talk in here

[limber hull]

thats crazy

[amber cosmos]

Factual lol

[hollow tide]

You literally can’t type without him responding

[lucid robin]

^

[limber hull]

you can

[hollow tide]

See

[limber hull]

im flattered that you notice me so much tho

[lucid robin]

well dont be. it isnt a compliment lmfao

ima hop off and go bake a pie AKA do something in the real world

[limber hull]

cool

[hollow tide]

If we all block him problem solved yall

[amber cosmos]

Bro I was arguing with you twelve hrs ago and you were arguing before I got up right as I went to bed your a machine lol

[limber hull]

that's true, you should

[icy lion]

Are you all going to continue to dogpile or are you going to have an actual conversation relevant to posts in #general-feedback?

[amber cosmos]

Stam update needs an update

[hollow tide]

Now the issue is blocked maybe convos can happen

[limber hull]

oh that's actually good

i like that

[barren crater]

Personally, same.

[worthy valley]

stam is wack now 😦

[barren crater]

Yeah it's pretty bad right now. My issue is them adding systems without actually adding all the other parts to it. Could have delayed it to whenever they decided to add the better trots / walks. Stam was also meant to ramp up the higher stam you had, but on Carno at least that doesn't seem to be the case. So yeah, just incomplete.

Reminds me of last patch when they removed running alt attack and let everyone spammed alts at 0% stam costs because of future systems. Why add bits that ruin the gameplay loop?

[clear saddle]

It blowwwwwws- like... impossible to play Ptera now- .-. it feels like any attempts to stop making this game a sitting simulator has just been shot in the foot lol

[limber hull]

yea, it's a good idea, but it's def incomplete, hence my excitement for trots on pachy and dryo not being like trying to walk through a gluetrap

[clear saddle]

not to mention with Sanctuaries- kinda doesn't help matters. It'd be better to spread little hidey holes and the like for little dinos based on growth percentage so we can still travel and not again just be doing dino sit simulator

[limber hull]

also i hope to GOD they change the trot and walk for carno because carno not only trotting at that speed but walking like that is absurd. It is the dumbest goddamn walk anim in the game, because they knew they couldn't make a creature with that much leg walk like that and not make it look dumb

[barren crater]

I've just got diets as ptera and just left my screen lol. Playing as a smaller ptera is boring with the changes.

[normal lotus]

I mean there are gonna be 10 TO 15 sanctuaries on gateway

[barren crater]

See but that's my problem. Why ruin gameplay for certain dinos when you could have waited an update to have all the additional parts in?

It was obvious that stuff like Pachy were going to have a bad time with these changes. That trot is horrible

[clear saddle]

It iiiis- like... if I buy a game and wanna play it, I wanna be able to play it and not tab out to goof around doing literally anything else.

[limber hull]

I mean, pachy's stam somewhat makes up for it, but it's still bleh

I've still had fun with basically all the animals post-change, but the trot stuff should've come with

[clear saddle]

Gonna be doesn't mean that there is-- they shoulda waited to get that fleshed out before putting it out incomplete

[normal lotus]

They're-They're TESTING IT. That's literally what this is. Basically a public STRESS TEST

[clear saddle]

😭 Then why move it to the public game branch if it's still in the testing phase

[barren crater]

Yeah. Always been a problem with this game. I just avoid the first quarter of 'gameplay' like the plague.

[normal lotus]

To get more people to test it. It'll get better in time. My PC is on the fritz and it can't handle gateway anyway so there's that.

[clear saddle]

It'll get better in time.

:WHEEEZE: Stam's been an issue for a hot minute and it doesn't look like they're keen on throwing hotfixes and patches for what peeps have been saying has been a problem; it's getting harder to give the game the benefit of the doubt, but I applaud your positivity and enthusiasm.

[normal lotus]

I don't know if this is an insult, A compliment, or something inbetween. I'll take it as a compliment.

[clear saddle]

It's a compliment for you- I don't have as much patience with the game as much as you do.

[lucid robin]

they haven't said it's still a test

i got the message that gateway was fully, officially released now.

[clear saddle]

^

[barren crater]

Are there even official servers on the spiro branch?

[limber hull]

no

[barren crater]

So they've pretty much killed off Spiro. What was the point of a separate branch 😭

[lucid robin]

to give ppl who were a bit late / didn't notice the switch to gateway the chance to say goodbye to spiro ig

or give unofficial servers the chance to switch over to gateway

it mightve caused problems with the servers if spiro was just deleted

[barren crater]

"As it has been impressed upon by myself, we are trying to move content out faster. The Gateway build will be patched to the EVRIMA branch once the last of any unforeseen technical issues are addressed. This is a relatively large drop of content and it goes without saying that almost always something goes wrong, so in preparation, the current active build of EVRIMA (0.11.59.04) will be moved to a temporary branch for those of you who do not wish to partake in the active development of content and simply want to play the game. Once Gateway's gameplay loop is assessed internally as stable and within the intended vision, we will drop support for 0.11.59.04 and return to a singular EVRIMA branch. There's no time like borrowed time."

[lucid robin]

holy hell u type fast

[barren crater]

Didn't type!

[lucid robin]

oh nvm u copied that. okay. lol

[barren crater]

But they've pretty much killed off that branch by having no official servers. All the unofficial servers are now on Gateway as well. Barely an option 😔

[lucid robin]

Is anyone here able to post a petition in #general-feedback for me? I have a 5 hour slowmode cooldown.

[limber hull]

im sure a free to edit document for everyone that you want to submit to the devs will end well

[lyric spoke]

And being able to hold shift and occasionally press H definitely does not increase engagement. No way! 😉

[lucid robin]

it's not free to edit, anyone with access has comment perms, so i have to accept messages

i can try, anyway

if they want proof that i didn't type the stuff in myself, google sheets has a history feature

[limber hull]

also this is upvoting with extra steps

[lucid robin]

eh... not really

the devs dont treat #general-feedback like a bunch of votes or petitions

[slim osprey]

we already have a voting system and i'm sure they know of stam system already lol

[lyric spoke]

Clearly upvoting doesn't matter to them.

[lucid robin]

looking like i'll have to wait 5 hours ig

[limber hull]

also it doesn't really matter, because they just... won't revert. This has been said many times, a revert outright is not happening

improve, absolutely, they should absolutely improve it

but its not going back

[lucid robin]

it is just a bad idea. it doesn't bring anyone (except maybe you) enjoyment

slowing down the game is not a good concept. nobody likes a slow, sluggish game. people want excitement and fast-moving stuff

AKA combat and running around and exploring

and the stam changes remove like ALL OF THAT, or slow it down a ton

so...

[limber hull]

i like fast moving stuff, i love movement shooters and games built around speed and momentum, but i dont play the isle for that

[lucid robin]

what do you play the isle for

[lyric spoke]

I don't really understand trot speeds helping the boredom and litany of problems caused by stam change. The T1000 terminator status of omni right now is a direct cause of the stam change and the poor response to compliment it.

[barren crater]

See I think there should be some down time with the current run times. But right now they're too long. Also ramp up takes too long as well. Maybe cut it by 15 - 30 seconds.

[limber hull]

yea, ramp up is weird

you should start at standing regen and build from there

but it seems like pressing H actually outright cancels your standing regen which is bizarre

[barren crater]

Like I wouldn't want 110 second run time Carno being able to regen its stam in 120 seconds. but 150 - 175 seconds is better than 200 seconds.

Yeah stam ramp up may have issues ngl. Bleed ramp up does. It's legitimately broken rn

[limber hull]

raptor just needs a kick in the shins lol

had the misfortune of being a juvi teno vs a sub raptor. Reduced my bloodpool to 15% in less than a minute

wasn't even an adult

[limber hull]

also wdym by bleed rampup?

[barren crater]

So when sitting bleed is meant to ramp up and regen. But right now the value is a single value. 0.05% bleed regen per tick. So it takes 35 minutes to regen bleed from 1%.

[limber hull]

ohhh

oh wow

jesus christ

raptor really is just entirely broken huh

it is incredible how raptor gets away with being stronger every update

[barren crater]

Unintentional it seems when I reported that lol

[limber hull]

lmao

next balance patch better address carno and raptor, because tbh, teno and pachy are almost good, if not for those two being THAT dominant

[barren crater]

True. Well last thing I'm going to send. The range Carno has to be to flip Teno

[limber hull]

ew

thats just icky

[steel field]

all it takes is two steps

[runic moat]

What you guys mean this the best balance ever!

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-i-lied-gif-21836345

[sullen tartan]

bro stuf topic was dropped so no need to comment on it kid and your just like the rest who support and unfished pos game thats just thrown in your face and were told to sort out the bugs and fixs lmao they had months to sort this stuff out and your defending them for 0 reason backpacking at its finest man i cant make thsi up

[slim osprey]

@sullen tartan i’m not a kid but thanks for showing me what level of maturity you’re at. i’ve been having fun so it seems to be a personal problem and preference you’re having an issue dealing with. hope you have a great weekend

[lyric spoke]

Tbf the game makes me suffer too lmao, and it used to not, which is why I also choose not to play. Disappointing on all fronts beyond just stam. Way too early of a release to force this onto the main branch. There's even a few blocks of the rivers where the devs forgot to add water, above a pit in the ground, which you can't get out of with deino lmao.

[agile pumice]

I've resorted to Legacy to satiate my dino game needs

[wraith breach]

Legacy were good days

[wraith breach]

Hence why its called early access 😂

[lyric spoke]

They still should've just kept it on hordetest though. Didn't even get official servers for the Spiro branch :/

[wraith breach]

Idk

[icy lion]

@crisp peak Babies can still use migrations and will eventually be able to scent them from spawn, too

[bleak bison]

@hoary dawn it seems they nerfed ptera so hard because they may believe the ability to fly supersedes it being good in any other areas

[agile pumice]

Big agree

I miss Spiro so much. There's unofficial servers for it but they're dead ;-;

I could live with some of the other poor Gateway decisions, but the dino balancing right now makes combat so not-fun.

[hidden mist]

Yep so not gaining nutrients from your dietary plants as a juvie is a bug? I mean this bug(?) probably came from that change about ‘changing your dietary food when migration shifts’, so juvies smell specific plants as their diets, even though adults of the same species don’t

[limber hull]

i mean, i dont see 6.5 as much better

hell, i honestly find the combat more fun, sans anything to do with carno

[pseudo copper]

@buoyant berry It seems like EU3 crashed earlier and it can take a bit for it to stabilize after a crash.

[west notch]

Make more Sever

pls

[tawny pendant]

make stamina regen a little bit faster... A LITTLE BIT 🥺

[onyx garnet]

Make the god damn player count accurate, so we can at least join the queue. I'm fine with waiting to play, I'm not fine with not being able to queue.

[cyan flame]

@harsh girder The Isle is meant to be a hardcore horror survival game, not a casual action packed game.

[tawny pendant]

but this is still game and we should have fun to play it, not sitting most time than playing. Stam regen is just unbalanced for all dinos.

what deal is when ptera need resting same time as stego/deino. Beipi and hypsi same... they need be fast and need resting faster to survive couse they do nothing in this game XD they are just a snack

[cyan flame]

Yes, but what is fun varies with the person. And stam is more or less fine, at least in my opinion. I'd rather see adjustments to food/water drain, and trot/walk speeds. Mostly because even with good stam, trot and walk feel pretty bad overall. And I personally don't like the idea of things running around all the time, rather than taking it slower but still feeling like you're getting somewhere and have the time to get there without having to stress about it.

And yes, there's little to do. I'm still waiting on elders and perks/mutations and all. Would be nice with a reason to stay alive at some point.

[tawny pendant]

i think stam regen should depend how agile is your dino. Not same for all. This is bothersome... Or they should balanced it... for example: stam regen is slow, soo should be just more count of stam to using in that case. Actually i cannot having fun (and most of ppl also) this game when i need resting every moment for few minutes. And i agree what you wrote, good/water should be going down a little bit slower... Game for me actually is too hard, too annoying, and too slow.

I am disappointed with this situation same like Otnii. I'm not having fun with this game anymore. Resting and resting. Awesome gamplay.

there is a difference between nerf/balance something and make it annoying to play.

[amber cosmos]

Stam regin is different per animal

This isn't cod your not post to sprint everywhere view your Stam as a combat resource, having said that they are going to increase trot speeds and possibly reduce hunger and thirst drain.

[civic peak]

Unless you're playing pteta there is no reason for you to rest all the time. If you find yourself constantly sitting, you're running too often or always fighting

[amber cosmos]

Think of this game as dino dayz/scum

Except nowhere as hard core as those

[runic moat]

I agree but I do wish the stuff that has no chance in combat should have to not trot a lot. I feel like hypsi is kinda good in its stam n stuff, wish beipi had stam like it tho so you can have more fun swimming around.

Ptera can use some love too mostly do to the fact it must use stam without a choice.

[somber coral]

The devs have a pride they wont listen to their community

[analog wyvern]

if they don't want to fix stam, fine. atleast make hunger/thirst decay slower by god please

the most common deaths i hear about are hunger/thirst and fall damage

[tawny pendant]

ineed

[rare wasp]

indeed id rather have the mosh pit that was pvp before than this disaster that is the hunger system for carno

[analog wyvern]

you wont even get the chance to hunt anything when your already half on health from starving lmao

the devs managed to destroy the game with one update

[rare wasp]

how fast is raptor growth time

[midnight heath]

I'd say roughly an hour or so, maybe little more, maybe little less.

It doesn't feel very long but it's not too quick either.

[humble sluice]

What's with stamina taking forever to refill? Did that change? Feels like you can run for 30 seconds then you have to sit for 2-3 minutes refilling.

[midnight heath]

New stamina system

[tawny pendant]

3mins? im sitting 4-6 as a ptera XD and when im writing this, still resting XD

[humble sluice]

End up just hopping on my phone or leaving my desk to do something else while waiting. Sucky game design.

[tawny pendant]

Yea, i understand stam balance but it is not balanced, it just annoying.

[fleet brook]

@agile laurel Completely agree, you translated what I was thinking and you explained it very well 👍

[hidden mist]

#general-feedback message I saw one comment on Youtube that said it would be better if the developers just placed little caves and logs all around the map and added shrooms at random places. Somewhat I agree with that seeing what the idea of 'sanctuaries' turned to be

Just a lair for troodons and camping carnis searching for easy food...

[cosmic thorn]

With the lack of small dinos, Troodons are effectively just juvie hunters. Therefor it makes sense for them to hunt at sanctuaries. An adult Troodon has afaik a biteforce of 15 and weighs 60 kg. They're pretty much on par with some juvies out there.

[cyan flame]

Troodons in groups, and at stage three venom, are quite capable of hunting larger things. They do a whole lot of damage in their full cycle with pounces and even boosted bite (I think at least).

They're far more lethal than they might seem

Even a pair or trio can be more than capable if they know what they're doing

[cosmic thorn]

I know, but it's not like Troodon is the only dino that can play in a group, or when you do play as a Troodon, you should only ever play in a group.

[cyan flame]

Even solo your pounce cycle does quite the damage from what I know. I think you can kill a beipi at least in one cycle, maybe even a dryo. Adults one that is.

[cosmic thorn]

I mean, yeah, a group of ten Troodons can really mess up some big dinosaur, but then again so can Raptors, and the Raptors are less likely to lose half their members to BS oneshots

[cyan flame]

Granted, they can beat you up too, I'm just talking about the damage, since you mentioned only the biteforce and didn't seem to take into account the venom damage buff at stage 3

[serene wave]

can confirm beipi.. i rarely see dryos..

[cyan flame]

On the other hand, troodons are harder to see and hit than omnis, especially at night

[cosmic thorn]

beipi alt attack takes out a Troodon in one attack

[serene wave]

yep, and there is the fact as a trodoon you die on your first mistake

[cyan flame]

I didn't say beipi was safe to attack to be fair, I'm purely talking about the damage you can put out

It's hard to make mistakes on troodon though, the speed and agility lets you get away quite easily

Or at least I rarely struggle with pounces and movement in general, but maybe I'm just lucky or good (probably the former, doubt I'm a great player)

[serene wave]

juvies are very good at running too

[cyan flame]

Depends on the juvie I'd say

[serene wave]

right

[cyan flame]

Lots of stamina, yes. Speed, not so much. Aside from galli

But most others aren't liable to get very far very fast, from what I've experienced at least

[cosmic thorn]

I'm just really tired of people instantly theorycrafting some fantasy scenario of ten troodons terrorizing a zone when someone mentions them, like they're the only dino that can group up, or that everyone they fight is AFK or something so you can get your "cycles" in. Even in the best scenario, Troodon combat is really hit or miss.

[cyan flame]

It's not that hard to get a cycle in honestly

Both omni and troodon are very easy, at least in my experience. And I think it's more so now that troodons can just hang out at sanctuaries and well, not much can challenge them there if we're talking juvies

You can probably kill most juvies without having to utilize your venom even

My preferred method is to listen for someone eating, and jump them while they are

[serene wave]

yesterday 2 growing pachys absolutely terrorized that pack of trodoons roaming around the scatuary... i was so reliefed i could finally come out of hiding

[lyric spoke]

I've been in many troodon packs, not one of them has ever successfully killed something 'big'. Mostly a problem with getting one-shot with lag soon as you pounce. Happened to me 50% of the time. That was mostly in 6.5 though

[cyan flame]

Wasn't that more or less the whole "be hit while latched on" issue/bug?

[lyric spoke]

Yeah, but I've still seen it happen with both omni and troo in this update, although less frequently

[cyan flame]

I don't have much experience in groups, I tend to favour going solo or with one or two trusted people overall. Bigger groups tend to get chaotic and just bad overall

[cosmic thorn]

the after pounce is slow enough that the target can easily catch up and bite your tail when you try to get away.

[serene wave]

since launch i had 2-3 good packs - and if you find one or even nest with them (its necessary to keep your numbers) the fun skyrockets

[cosmic thorn]

it's fun for a bit, but people eventually get fed up of constantly dying, respawning, trying to fidn the pack again, etc

[cyan flame]

Well, it is a quick and "cheap" playable, I guess it makes sense. I treat it as a "horde animal", you're kind of meant to just go for it, lose half the pack, get the kill, then find new members and keep going. It's not really a playable for long term sticking together, compared to those with longer growth times where you invest a lot and it takes a long time to get someone back if they die.

Kind of wish they didn't go with pounce for troodon, but rather just bites. And maybe not stages, just an ever increasing pool of venom adding to the damage bonus. So it'd be more of a just keep going in for bites to overwhelm the target with death by a thousand cuts, rather than this "mini game" with stages

[cosmic thorn]

I think "you're not supposed to enjoy this playable for that long" is a bad take

[cyan flame]

Maybe. I don't think there's inherently something wrong in quick and easy to grow, quick and easy to die playables. At least for now. With elders and all that, it'd make more sense to want to remain alive to die of old age to be fair.

It's like dryo, you grow quick, you die quick. You run, squeak, look adorable and that's about it.

[worn rose]

since update 6.5 i have a laggy or stottering like sound all the time, someone knows how to fix it ? it really destroys the game for me

[cyan flame]

@serene wave@cosmic thornGood news, apparently with the new changes, or bugs, you can render a stego entirely incapable of attacking you via pounces. And there's a delay from dismount to being able to alt attack, so now it's even more safe than usual to use pounce. (stego can't attack at all apparently while being pounced).

[urban flax]

Stego finally got its well deserved nerf

[serene wave]

copy that

but dosnt seem right even if i dont like em that much

[cyan flame]

Honestly, it would be interesting if they kept it for stego, just so we finally can get rid of all the complaints about stego. Just keep it for now until stego goes on unofficials, then fix it. That way, everyone can be happy! (well, maybe not the stegos but they can play one of the other playables for the time being!)

[cosmic thorn]

Dryo is supposed to get its burrowing ability some time. I look forward to that. Depending on how they implement that it could be fun.

[serene wave]

i always wanted dryo to be able to speak to other herbis :>

ambassador of the herbis

[lyric spoke]

Actually not a bad idea to make the small herbis yknow, not boring.

[serene wave]

yea! i guess people could metagame with it ..

[cyan flame]

Dryo scouts unfortunately

[serene wave]

i mean people do that anyway even worse if they have a ptera

[vast ibex]

@midnight heath why would you downvote what i said

@hidden pilot you too

[midnight heath]

You're playing a cannibalistic apex predator, player interaction isn't really what you'd expect for deino.

[vast ibex]

very deep response

[serene wave]

this is the way

[midnight heath]

With no other aquatic playables really I'm not sure what other food you're looking for in the waterways aside from AI. Given the vastness of the map you're going to encounter more deino than players.

[vast ibex]

so you expect deinos to live a solitary life with zero multiplayer gameplay just sitting in a river

[midnight heath]

Basically yes, hence cannibals and the 2 group limit.

It's not exactly a group playable.

[vast ibex]

You must not have played a fg deino on this update

dont lie and say you have

[midnight heath]

Bold to assume, I have.

[amber cosmos]

@vast ibex I down voted because of you pfp

[serene wave]

😄

[vast ibex]

pretending you have so your opinion seems more valid is an L. Admit you have zero clue how fg deino plays this update

[midnight heath]

Not really worth arguing, I have a FG deino on NA but you can just say I don't. 👍

[vast ibex]

Deino no longer has the option of eating someone trying to drink. The water system is too cut into pieces and expansive this update, I have seen a handful of dinos and none of them drinking.

[vast ibex]

So this is 1 aspect of player interactions ruined.

[wraith zinc]

the horror part is from server restarts though, not actual gameplay..... restarts are the number one cause of loosing FGs on my account lol, every time the server crashes/restarts, the suspense of logging back in is 11/10 🤣

[vast ibex]

NOW. since there is 70% more water with what feels like the same amount of elite fish, Deinos cant even get a diet from fish, the only way is to cannibalize and even then you dont see Deinos anymore

[midnight heath]

Swamps, Highlands and the mid-river crossing are populated. Plus teno AI are a thing.

Just gotta learn the map really, gets much easier to find food.

[cyan flame]

Solitary when it comes to it's own kind, yes. Hunting other players should happen, once in a while. You're a deino, you're kind of meant to sit somewhere for an hour only to get to jump out at the poor critter coming to drink.

[vast ibex]

I've put probably 20 hours into Deino already, there is a severe lack of food to the extent that any deino you see is just another meal, there is no grouping anymore because of the scarcity of food

^ this update i mean

[cyan flame]

Good! Deino should be very rare after all

[midnight heath]

Again you're playing a cannibal, not sure why that's a huge shocker.

[vast ibex]

LOL

[serene wave]

if you wanna get social, play a raptor

[midnight heath]

And an apex carni on the other hand

[vast ibex]

The density of some people's skulls is mindblowing

[icy lion]

If you're just going to insult people who disagree with you, then the conversation can end here

[vast ibex]

Yes Deinos are cannibals but it shouldnt be to the point where every single deino you see has to be a meal out of necessity

[serene wave]

you can look for other deinos here

[wraith zinc]

there's plenty of fish to eat, maybe not the exact ones you want to get perfect diet, but enough to survive.... the idea that you "need" perfect diet is toxic to dino community.

[vast ibex]

LOL WHAT?! IF YOU HAVE NO DIET YOU GET DEBUFFS -25% TO EVERYTHING

[serene wave]

-75 actually but only if you lose em all

[icy lion]

That's just for growth

[vast ibex]

There aren't enough elite fish in the waters to even get a single hex from

[icy lion]

Having 1 filled hex prevents all debuffs

[serene wave]

ahh okay, then it aint too bad

[vast ibex]

I legit swam from the beach/wetlands all the way to water access and ate everything in my path and couldnt get a single diet

[icy lion]

Oh no it's pretty bad

[vast ibex]

the only way i could get ANY diet is by eating every deino i see

[icy lion]

Higher stam costs, faster death from starving, and more

[vast ibex]

My point isnt that Deino shouldnt cannibalize, it's that Deino should have another option besides it

[wraith zinc]

you're choosing to stay in the wrong places then, I'm not having issues keeping at least 1 hex without resorting to cambial. It's the dinos that think they need perfect diet that are the issue

[midnight heath]

Gotta work with what you got, we don't have many aquatic playables.

Deinos are again apexes, being cannibals both sustains and keeps populations a bit lower.

I too didn't cannibalize for my FG deino, won't say I didn't attempt to but I went the full way without it.

[vast ibex]

I'm not choosing to stay in the wrong place...I've swam the ENTIRE river system. Dont sit here and assume my playstyle and then tell me that I am the problem for wanting a diet. Actual L take

[vast ibex]

Deinos should be rare but not to the extent that no one wants to play them because there isnt enough food in the waterways

If there were enough elite fish to maintain 1 diet I wouldn't complain. but I HAVE to eat Deinos to keep from having debuffs from poor diet

[midnight heath]

They're just trying to give advice my guy, again it does sound like you're just not in the right areas. You're having issues growing and we didn't, we're just trying to help.

The map is huge and there's a lot of waterways.

[vast ibex]

I had zero issue growing, again this passive aggressive backhanded talking down tone of voice is so pathetic bro stop it.

[wraith zinc]

I'm not having any issues, may be luck, may be your play style, up to you to figure it out man..... sounds like a skill issue to me

[vast ibex]

I have zero issues growing, I did just fine, the issue is having to eat everything i find to maintain a diet as a full grown

[cyan flame]

Why is that an issue?

You can grow, you can maintain your diet, you're doing fine?

[vast ibex]

I feel so bad for you guys

[midnight heath]

Again just trying to help, you pinged those who disagreed and are getting upset at the answer. 👍

[vast ibex]

The fact you guys dont see an issue with Deinos being shoved into the dirt on this update is saddening ngl

[cyan flame]

Considering how utterly op and good deino have had it, it's about time it has to actually struggle and earn the power it has

[vast ibex]

Oh so you're a stego player, got it

[midnight heath]

Deino feels the most balanced it's ever been I think currently, Gateway fixed a lot of the issues I had with it.

[cyan flame]

So no, I think most of us might recognize that deino, being a very powerful critter, should have an accordingly difficult playstyle

[vast ibex]

Deino literally has to sit in the water the entire time

[wraith zinc]

it's not as easy as it once was, but it hasn't been that hard either.... I'm actually enjoying not being given a free pass to FG for once

[vast ibex]

there's nothing powerful about that on a map with 2 deinos patrolling the waters

[cyan flame]

Hopefully. I've heard everything from "too difficult" to "there's still too many of them and they grow too easily still". So not sure how well Gateway is handling it all.

[cyan flame]

The numbers do not relate to the power. And honestly, about 4 deinos in total on the map sounds about right.

[serene wave]

half of em end up in the waterfalltrap

[vast ibex]

I am 100% the most experienced Deino here especially on gateway since the update and I am telling you that there is not enough food for Deino. if there were no other deinos in the water, full grown deinos would lose their diets and be poor diet everywhere they went

[cyan flame]

Deino is probably the best solo hunter we have, with omni when it comes to pin being second

[midnight heath]

I think people personally got too used to how painfully easy it was on Spiro to grow deino and now that it's much harder are fairly irked at it.

[wraith zinc]

i was playing ptera on a server, that is probably the easiest FG you can get now.... it's 100% amature hour

[midnight heath]

Spiro made it so, so easy for deino and at least 25% of most servers were deinos because of it afterall.

[cyan flame]

I doubt it, honestly. But I'm sure you got plenty of experience. Yet I've also talked to people saying the opposite.

So maybe you're right, maybe they are and you've been unlucky. I don't know, but if deino life is harder now than before, that's overall a good thing.

[wraith zinc]

this.....

[vast ibex]

There is no way to say the opposite LOL. I play on full pop official servers and constantly have to cannibalize to get any type of food

[cyan flame]

Well, I don't know how other deinos play so, but unless they're lying, things aren't as extreme as you're describing. Or they don't mind constantly cannibalizing and see that as fine

[midnight heath]

Again I didn't have any issues, I thought food was fine; if it were more easily accessible we'd have the same issue Spiro had.

[vast ibex]

Deinos max group size is 2 right? You cant even do that right now. You'd both starve or end up eating each other

[midnight heath]

I did it again just fine

[vast ibex]

Dude this guy

You may have for 30 minutes

[cyan flame]

Maybe it varies by server, population, time of day, migration and so on

[vast ibex]

But any long-term like 6 hour session with a friend would NOT last and quit capping

[languid yoke]

Is there a way for me to get unstuck from rocks?

[midnight heath]

I don't know what to tell you Tykan, you can just not believe me for whatever reason but it's not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be.

[midnight heath]

Pins but you'll likely not get unstuck sadly.

[languid yoke]

Pins?

[midnight heath]

This fella up here

[icy lion]

Check the pinned messages in the server channels ( #evrima-na #evrima-eu etc)

[wraith zinc]

i play full pop official as well, maybe you're just getting unlucky. I've had to switch my tactics up a little on gate though, I spend a LOT more time listening for land based targets while i travel now. You either have really bad luck or you're missing something, not sure what to tell you.

[icy lion]

They're not in here

[midnight heath]

Oh yeah! I should have clarified which channel to check them in.

[errant ocean]

As someone who mainly plays deino, I don’t think the variety of diet is an issue or has ever been, the only issue I have is if there’s too many safe places to drink, which ultimately stops/reduces deinos hunting land dinos, the fear of drinking should be something land dinos have to consider as part of their survival, rather than trying to nerf a 40ft croc like it wouldn’t drag any CURRENTLY existing dino in to the water with ease

[midnight heath]

I'm telling ya, that middle river that splits from the highlands to the coast 👌 So many carnis cross there and currently it has all diet just about for PT.

I've seen a few pairs of deinos here and there but it's a nice hotspot outside the migration zones.

[vast ibex]

Deinos only get pvp in the form of cannibalizing now

You'll practically never find a land deino to hunt on gateway as a deino

[wraith zinc]

agreed, drinking should come with some risk, though not as much as it did in the last patch.... it should be a fear of being eaten, not a guarantee.

[errant ocean]

Yeah definitely, I just disagree heavily that people complain that their dino gets chomped by a giant croc when the croc that got them would have been waiting there for anywhere from a few minutes to an hour or more for that opportunity by being in the right place at the right time, when larger dinos are added, then they should have a higher chance of escaping a deino, basically if you’re playing a dino a deino can grab, you’ve chose your cards and should be extra careful when drinking

Besides all this is gonna be laughable when a T rex is added and then a spino at some point, I can only imagine what problems a spino will bring lol

[cyan flame]

The problem is very much the "RNG" style of it. There's little you can do to know or see the deino to react to it, so it's often a "let's hope for the best", which doesn't really inspire fear, just a meh "oh well" feeling, at least for me.

That or drink at safe spots to remove the encounter entirely, which isnt neccesarily more fun

[vast ibex]

All I am saying is elite fish spawns need to be turned up so a full grown deino doesnt have to rely on killing other deinos to avoid the poor diet debuffs

[cyan flame]

Problem is, then why would you kill other deinos?

[errant ocean]

Yeah but how else do you expect a croc to hunt? Haha, that’s literally how they work, ambush predator, can’t exactly chase you on land and out pace you can it lol, no other way for it

[vast ibex]

for a positive diet

[wraith zinc]

I think the old map encouraged random teaming with steggos too much, since they could body block. I think the biggestt issue right now is just player density, not thatt i want non stop PVP, but it's easy to play for hours and never see another player

[cyan flame]

Deino is one of the few that can get away with a neutral diet and still do just fine

[cyan flame]

Oh I know, deino as a critter is a problem precisely because of how crocs work. I would like a quick react/"cancel" movement when eating/drinking, that could work maybe. But honestly, deino should just not be playable. It can't be made fun and fair while also working like a croc.

[errant ocean]

I fully agree, need 150 to 200 players and that will solve a lot of people’s complaints

[wraith zinc]

i haveent kept up on UE, is it still soft capped at 150 cliants per area/server?

[vast ibex]

Land dinos can eat goats, boar, deer, Tenontos, every other play dino...and then Deino gets elite fish, not enough for a diet, and the occasional baby deino to eat

[wraith zinc]

swim top water and listen for more land animals

[vast ibex]

This is the issue you guys are overlooking just to disagree with me

[errant ocean]

I wouldnt want them not to be playable, whenever I play a raptor or teno, I’ll just go drink somewhere I really think is out the way and is a low chance of getting taken for a swim, but the times I’ve been grabbed, it’s just survival and fair enough, GG to the croc that got me

[hollow tide]

Deino players crying about not being spoon fed ai?

[vast ibex]

-_-

Bro this chat can NOT be real

[wraith zinc]

yeah.... just 1 though, the rest of us not having the issues they're having.

[errant ocean]

There’s definitely enough opportunities to get land dinos, you’re supposed to be waiting a while and have patience as a deino player

[hollow tide]

I was going to say.. I played deino the other day and had zero issues with food

[vast ibex]

You know what

[serene wave]

what would you suggest to change or add ?

[vast ibex]

You're right im just crazy and wrong.

[vast ibex]

Literally just need to add more elite fish...

[errant ocean]

It’s just the opportunities can’t be made less by silly nerfing or too many safe drink spots, again, I say TOO MANY, some is fine, small ones

[cyan flame]

I'd like some form of counters, I dislike that the options are either drink where deino can't be, or RNG and hope for the best.

[errant ocean]

I get that, but I mean I chose to drink in places that are out the usual, I see lazy people drink from centre river on Spiro then cry when they get grabbed like, what? You may as well have jumped in the water haha

[cyan flame]

Oh yeah, you can absolutely choose better or worse places. But to be fair, on spiro there were deinos around every corner too xD

[vast ibex]

Yes so since Deinos grab a land dino on this map maybe once every solar eclipse, lets make it so land dinos can COUNTER Deino and get free and have zero risk while drinking. big brain

[errant ocean]

Yeah that’s true but that’s because it’s the only big scary in the game, wait till the T rex is out or something, be hardly any deinos coz players will want the next big thing with teeth

[cyan flame]

You know, if there was a proper counter, there'd be less need for "safe spots" to drink from. Ever considered that?

[errant ocean]

Have we learned nothing from Jurassic world hahah

[cyan flame]

Well, if deino players are struggling now, hopefully rex players will do so even more

[errant ocean]

Yeah we have a real issue when there’s Rex’s and spinos, imagine either getting grabbed and drown or chased on land? Nah bro hahah

[cyan flame]

I'd imagine those would be easier to avoid though

Easier to spot and react too, deinos are well, more or less invisible under water

So no real way to tell there is one there until it's too late

[errant ocean]

A spino could ambush like a deino and chase you straight out the water on land, that’s a big issue for players

[cyan flame]

And how do you intend to hide that big sail on your back? :p

[errant ocean]

Yeah you’re right but it all just falls back to that’s how a croc survives, being as stealthy as possible to ambush

[cyan flame]

Also I think spino will be very slow, probably like stego or so, maybe even slower

[cyan flame]

True, but irl critters can and do react and escape

[errant ocean]

There’s rivers and lakes deep enough to hide that sailing boat lookin ass lol

[urban flax]

Spino isn't a croc
Making it an ambusher would be such a waste

[cyan flame]

Which is what I would like to see

[cyan flame]

Yes, but unless you have a very steep incline right where you're drinking, you're not hiding and getting close at the same time

Even deino needs a certain depth as adults to be hidden, and they're flat

So I'm honestly not sure how you imagine a spino would successfully ambush from the water

[errant ocean]

Maybe so, I just think players will complain it can do both water and land

[cyan flame]

Maybe, but maybe not. Depends on how well you can escape it I'd guess

[errant ocean]

You’re probably right with the incline towards the edge of rivers and lakes tbh

The biggest issue is the human mind controlling animals when forced to play animalistic if that makes sense

[graceful raven]

quick question. do mushrooms give you water? i hope so cause otherwise you have to run from sanctuary to river all the time

[mild walrus]

lol my post just got taken down in feedback

[cyan flame]

I have no idea, I usually play stego if I go herbi and I don't bother using sanctuaries with it

[graceful raven]

annoying isnt it

[mild walrus]

Asking for support for RTX 2070 support but meanwhile people can flood the feedback about everything else lol weird mod behavior

[cyan flame]

And the one time I was in sanctuaries it was the swamp one, so I had water right there for my troodon all the time

[cyan flame]

Just jump on a galli on some empty server, run to sanctuary and find out?

[graceful raven]

im at one rn but i cant find mushrooms

[mild walrus]

Yesterday I asked for 2060 support so it’s not the same is it @icy lion

[icy lion]

There's a difference between multiple people posting similar things and one person posting the same thing multiple times

[mild walrus]

Get off me

I also added a bunch of new context

I’d like it reposted thank you

[cyan flame]

Ah, I guess look around, I've heard they're bright red, or maybe white in NV. Should be something around, if it's not all eaten or bugged.

[graceful raven]

found one theyre white

but dont give water, that sucks

[cyan flame]

At least you know now, and can plan for it for the next time!

[mild walrus]

I will be reposting it tomorrow @icy lion so see ya then

[serene wave]

https://tenor.com/view/good-luck-survivor-wine-gif-13112363

[hollow tide]

Lmaoo what the heck

[wary cargo]

@north sentinel I'm stuck on NA3 name is Honey Badger

[icy lion]

Ping the official server admin role, not individual admins, and send the message in #evrima-na

[void slate]

@gusty cobalt There was once a progression system. Trust me when I say you don't want it

You started off as an Oro or Taco, and that alone determined what dinosaurs you could eventually progress to. It was longer, harder and so much much more heartbreaking to lose a progressed Dino than it is now

@daring shell Pachys are in the same boat

[daring shell]

Lord I haven't even tried them yet, it's a shame it's not just one dino with this problem among several others.

[void slate]

Meh, I got to murder 2 omni and a cera while i was in the sanctuary tho so im pleased

[strong moat]

were can i find the gateway code

[midnight heath]

You need to change branches via steam, the same way you switched from Legacy to Evrima.

[faint folio]

there is no code. its the evrima branch. it updated and now uses gateway map not spiro

[icy lion]

@urban crystal That's planned

[urban crystal]

oh ok

didnt see that lol

[vocal pumice]

what do people think about gorgonopsid in the isle?

[latent olive]

i think what would it do

[vivid bloom]

So the hexagon diet doesnt do anything for Pt's Im guessing, since its only sprinting and swimming stam use decrease?

[vocal pumice]

i think now that gorgonobsid would be a little too OP, but mby kaprosuchus* it could be a good rival to deino(if in a pack) and has a lot of potential

[trail mason]

@fleet lodge the reason why this game is treated as a pvp game is because pvp is all you can do

[normal lotus]

Nesting, keeping your dinosaur healthy, surviving in general. and eventually we will be able to gain mutations, as well as elder essentially giving your dinosaur an end so you can give mutations into your next dinosaur of that species.

[bright abyss]

and it's not like you can do pvp with a dryosaurus, so it depends on what type of dinosaurs you are playing, since not all of them are pvp friendly.

[trail mason]

Nesting is incredibly discouraged as of now, gameplay wise. While nesting as a carnivore most of the time you end up starving or losing your diet. Nesting as a herbivore is fine but seeing an actual nesting is quite rare (and there is a reason, nesting isn’t encouraged nor a useful mechanic)

Surviving and “keeping your dinosaur healthy” are mandatory things you need to do to grow up into adulthood and finally do pvp.

Elder and mutations sound nice but they are not out yet and their implementation might be botched. As of now, the only remotely fun thing you can do in the game is fight other players.

[normal lotus]

I mean for you this may be the case, for me it really isn't.

[trail mason]

Now I agree that players only focusing on pvp isn’t very cool or ideal, it’s no wonder that’s all people do in the current state of the game

[trail mason]

Yeah no I was responding to that guy that said the devs should keep “discouraging the pvp playstyle”. I’d like to enjoy the game in other ways but I’m saying how it is

I really do not want to see the devs continue to waste their time trying to discourage pvp. They should focus on making the game more fun

[normal lotus]

I think it's kind of more making pvp more risky so people think more. A side effect of this is reducing pvp.

[trail mason]

That’s fine as long as there are more mechanics and substance to the game. Making nesting useful, adding the elder system, and the mutation system is a good start.

Also bringing down the hunger drain so you aren’t hard pressed to kill people every 5 minutes, and so you can nest without dying

[normal lotus]

That has been in the dev teams sights for a while now.

[normal lotus]

Also in the dev teams sights too.

[fleet lodge]

Not true at all

[trail mason]

Hoping all that is a priority

[trail mason]

Read what I said

[fleet lodge]

I dont grow my dinosaur so I can eventually have a pvp fight, if you do that, thats fine. I enjoy the whole survival aspect

I have played this game when all there was to do was ACTUALLY pvp, like literally nothing else to do. The game is moving in the opposite direction, yet it seems that the player base is wanting more 'pvp' now that it grows

Like back in the day literally all there was to do was spawn on sandbox and die

[trail mason]

The survival aspect is cool and all but since there’s nothing else to do in the game besides fight people, it shouldn’t be a surprise that people like to do it

[fleet lodge]

Its a problem in every game, not just the isle. Meta gaming is just simply a thing now and it wasn't in 2014-15 when it cam eout

[fleet lodge]

Im not saying you shouldnt like pvp. The game is not a pvp game, however. You dont spawn in to fight. You spawn in to survive

Some people might only play for pvp, and thats fine

The game is moving in the opposite direction of that, however

[trail mason]

the answer is to add more fun things to do besides pvp and not to put development time into discouraging it

[trail mason]

Yeah I agree. But currently there’s little to do

[fleet lodge]

Dev time is already going into discouraging it just by simply adding the mechanics that are on the roadmap

Lots of little things have been added and helped. Megapacks are nearly non existent

[trail mason]

Back in 2015 I think there was the progression system (?) correct me if I’m wrong. I feel like the progression system had more of a gameplay loop tbh

[fleet lodge]

....progression was god awful

[trail mason]

I don’t remember it being that awful

[fleet lodge]

If you like sitting in a bush as a herra for exactly 1 hour, sure

Survival is where the game needed to go

I trust dondis ideas because hes led the game in a very good direction IMO

[trail mason]

The bush sitting will never end!!!!

it was fun being a herra and mobbing things with 10 other herras

[fleet lodge]

bruh....that was god awful lol

I personally haven't sat in a bush since legacy

[trail mason]

I sit in bushes to grow my tenos cause… they aren’t very fast and get obliterated by everything as juvie

[boreal nymph]

🙂

[serene wave]

wrong mouse button

[dull kettle]

do they plan add 150 or 200 server slot ?

[barren zephyr]

#general-feedback message

Birds don't eat their egg shells because the baby growing inside saps all the nutrients from the shell, by the time the baby hatches, the shell is weaker and less nutrient rich. Birds instead just pick up the shells and drop them off in a far off place so predators can't easily find their nest

Message from: a bird nerd

[limber hull]

thank you bird man for your bird wisdom

@verbal acorn mushrooms are also in the real world mario didn't invent them

[hidden mist]

No, they were invented in the real world because Mario came out

[limber hull]

@ornate spade they aren't removing boar, deer or the like

[ornate spade]

oh really? how come?

[limber hull]

because why would they

they already fulfil their requirements

[ornate spade]

just would be better for realism, more immersive

[limber hull]

it is fine within the universe

[ornate spade]

idk just makes sense, replace them with dino AI

[limber hull]

the reason they're there in the first place is to feed the dinosaurs

humans took them over to feed the dinosaurs

I also just can't think of an AI dino that isn't already on our roster as playable

[ornate spade]

i mean theres thousands 😂

[limber hull]

i prefer the dinosaur = player, and AI = not dinosaur

the only exception is compy, which is miniscule

[ornate spade]

well we have compy pterodactly and teno atm

[limber hull]

teno is terrible

just a horrible idea for an AI

[ornate spade]

seems theyre going in that direction anyways

i agree, but thats what im saying we should only have AI dinos as non-playables

[limber hull]

i'd rather what we have now and no AI dinos (besides compy and ptero)

[bleak bison]

Rare wavepool W

[limber hull]

not as rare as you may think

[void nacelle]

@faint tapir Why X on adding a server for the AU people?

[limber hull]

anti-australian

[void nacelle]

Love people who vote X just because it doesn't affect them. (or maybe I'm wrong and there is a reason you voted X? but you need to tell me lol)

[urban flax]

I downvoted it and here's why : I'm anti-australian

[faint tapir]

because NA queues are 50+, EU queues are 30+ since the update dropped during busy hours. Also devs mentioned last week adding servers is a cost issue currently.

[limber hull]

what the hell

[limber hull]

okay, but why does that mean screw australians

[urban flax]

Get eaten by a spider lol

[faint tapir]

it means have patience, this was week 1 after Gateway so playerbase peak needs to normalize before any serious discussion needs to be had about servers being added. And also a 20 que would be paradise for NA and EU. thats what it means. no more no less

[limber hull]

we had 3 AUs on horde testing though

[faint tapir]

Then fingers crossed its just a bug and they come back. G'day mate!

[void nacelle]

@fallow marten You should try community servers, I play on Islander and you can make an unstuck ticket if you get stuck like that, and an admin will come and move you.

[void nacelle]

Um what. there is up to NA 7 and they only have like 10 people on it.

[fallow marten]

All of them were dead so we had to resort to officials

Otherwise we would do community. Maybe it’s a problem with the admins too. We need them to seriously moderate the game

[faint tapir]

we talking prime gaming hours queue, not 5 in the morning mate

[hexed timber]

@stark spear #general-feedback message idk boss, this has saved my life more then once, where i was red stomach and leaped in the river on a do or die mission to grab a fish 😂 (Gives the deinos a chance to get u, and gives u a chance to not die, its a diceroll)

funny enough, when i NEED to jump in a river, there are never any deinos, its mostly our fear of them being there rlly. They more rare then u'd think especially in gateway , they seem to concentrate around certain points and elsewhere is safe

[pseudo copper]

@tawny comet Sometimes you have to reposition yourself to actually gain water while drinking.

[low canopy]

@limber hull probably drank salt wat3r

Sorry for random ping. Phone problem

[limber hull]

its okay

i forgive u

[icy shuttle]

@tawny comet salt water (aka seawater) drains your thirst bar instead of filling it like freshwater, so maybe you drank at the beach

[jagged iron]

So there has been a lot of chatter, discourse and controversy around the latest patch.
I wanted to collate some of the ideas I've had (inspired by others as well) in order to provide some proper feedback to the devs and not just 'complaining'.
My hope is that someone will look at this sincerely and take it on board.
For all other players reading this please share, upvote if you agree and reply with your own ideas/tweaks. Lets try and structure some proper feedback so devs/fanbois cant just point and say 'whine'.

Positives :

• Map looks nice
• Sound design is really nice
• Weather effects are epic
• Nice little touches like mud washing off during rain etc, makes the game more immersive
• Overall the atmospherics are really good and makes you feel immersed
• I like the migration idea (however some tweaks in other areas required to make it work, notes further down)

On the fence :

• I understand the idea behind the sanctuaries, to allow babies to grow in peace without getting murdered by adults. However there are some tweaks needed. Firstly babies need to spawn closer to sanctuaries, secondly there needs to be better food sources and ways to fill diet in the sanctuary otherwise it defeats the purpose.
• I actually like the night vision changes, more dark and not just daytime but in monochrome, however there needs to be some tweaking per species. Seems to be little rhyme or reason about why some species are basically blind at night whilst others are still good. Should take into account balancing of various species.

Negatives :

• The big one; stamina. As much as the devs have an idea of what they want to do regarding stam, the current state is completely unplayable, boring and not engaging or fun at all. There are many aspects why the current stamina doesnt work. I sat with a timer as a grown raptor trying to cross the map towards a migration zone and I spent 6:31 seconds running, and 5:47 resting. Spending half my time sitting in a bush and watching youtube on my phone is NOT good design. It is not scary or 'horror', its boring and puts people off the game. You are likely to starve/lose diet just trying to get place to place. It stop migration from being viable in this current state and carnivores are already hungry again by the time they finish recovering stamina from a hunt. I have multiple suggestions in order to try and make stamina an important resource to manage yet not making fights a never ending duel. Add stamina cost to attacks and increased cost to alt attacks, this is to prevent players from spamming bite but also costing stamina in combat. Drastically reduce stamina cost for sprinting and allow stamina to recover whilst trotting same as in Spiro. Add a toggle for sprint/jog using the same button as walk/trot toggle. Jog should be in between trotting and current running speed but should use significantly less stamina than running allowing players to cover ground whilst not taking forever.

The aim of these changes is to make stamina very important to manage in a fight but not punishing players for moving around and exploring the map. The stamina cost of attacks should be tweaked per species depending on balance, dino playstyle, size and the mechanics of said species such as pounce/poison/bacteria etc. Honestly stamina for running was quite good in spiro and gateway is an even bigger map, with my above proposed changes you could not only revert stam changes but even further reduce stamina costs for running (since no diet for stamina recovery) and then force players to manage it in fights.

• Big map, although nice due to other constraints it causes issues. With gateway being so much bigger and still only 100 players spaced around it, the current drain on food/water is much too fast. Ideally the number of players on the map should be increased to 150 or even 200, then this wouldn't be as much of an issue and will make the map feel more alive with more players moving around etc. Currently its just a lot and a lot of empty space.

Thanks for reading and feel free to reply and let me know your thoughts.

[normal lotus]

I do have a few things to say in regards to fixing the stamina. The best course while not actively getting rid of the system (which has been shown to be abundantly clear the devs will not be doing) is trying to increase trot and walking speeds, which is being worked on. Along with increasing food and water drain.

I would also add on that I wouldn't mind having trot recover stamina on some species, Notably gallimimus because of its physiology. Not much else though.

[fleet brook]

@tawny comet you are probably drinking sea water lol

And yes your water should go down then

Drinking salty sea water is never a good idea and never should be

[faint tapir]

Thats great that the changes are being worked on, but i dont like this reactive approach. As an example, when people said Ptera is literally unplayable right now, the reaction was "we have some future plans for warm air updrafts that will save it stam". Again, thats great, but then lets wait for the updraft mechanic to be ready for release before we reduce its stam regain by 80% and make it rest 5 mins for every hill it flies over.

[normal lotus]

Iirc it was an oversight.

[jagged iron]

these changes should be implemented alongside each other if that really is the case.
but as it currently stands....the stamina issue alone has caused many of the people i used to play with to completely uninstall or just switch back to spiro

[fleet brook]

if they want to change the stamina system then they should make it work, it does not work now for a lot of dinos

[normal lotus]

With the changes their implementing to compensate it should. That and also several tweaks. Hell even the devs have said it requires tweaks.

[fleet brook]

Then they should not ruin the stamina for everyone untill they made those changes

I like the fact that you should not run all the time and it makes the game more immersive but it's not working with the current stam system. Your hunger is going down to quick and for dino's that needs stam in fights its unplayable. Like raptors that can prounce 2 to 3 times and then they better get out of there because they need to sit for 15 minutes

[normal lotus]

My man. Have you not seen the new patch? Omni is overpowered.

Buck stamina drain does practically nothing. And iirc it disables alt attacks and specials. Meaning stego loses its main source of hurt.

So much to tweak and balance. I feel bad for the devs with how much they gotta do.

[fleet brook]

No use talking to you man, we are talking about stam. Disabling moves when a dino gets prounced is a other subject

[normal lotus]

Well still buck Stam drain to omnis is near nothing.

This is only solo Omni, not even accounting for packs which back up the weaknesses.

[cyan flame]

You can pounce 20 times on troodon/omni from what I counted, that's a lot of pounces. And currently bucking seems to drain almost nothing, so you can hang on for 15-25 seconds or so.

That's the amount of pounces in one full stamina bar, just doing the pounce, not latching on to something

[faint tapir]

For me right now the map size is a major pain-point in how gameplay feels. And i've tried Carno, Omni and Stego and on all its the same feel of emtpyness.
Beautiful map, challenging map, but this is not a 100 player map. And we dont know what the server stability looks like with 150. If its stable, happy days! if not then the only solution is shrinking the map by way of map-border, like Spiro had.

[faint tapir]

You gotta latch on for a bit in order to get a good effect from your pounce on the prey. So 20 is not realistic in real conditions. That being said, omnis shouldnt be solo hunters, by design.

[cyan flame]

True, but doing one full pounce of 20 seconds (with bucking, at least for pachy), means you don't have to do another one most likely (due to massive bleed). And in the pachys case, you do enough damage to kill it in a bite or two after that one pounce.

[faint tapir]

thats why Omni is a bit too strong right now, imo

[cyan flame]

So the whole "I can only pounce one time", yeah sure, if you use your whole stamina bar, but that's also massive amount of damage/bleed, and if you hunt something bigger than yourself, one other omni doubles that. Even more if you pounce together, unless that has been changed.

[cyan flame]

Well, the bugs aside, bucking seems to have been overly nerfed. Unless they do intend for you to just sit next to a tree or rock all the time in the engagement.

[faint tapir]

in a bush, as usual 😂

using a tree, yep

[cyan flame]

Such a fun engagement xD

[amber cosmos]

Could give pounce a cool down of 30 secs ?

[cyan flame]

Not sure how much that'd help, it's like carno cooldown, it ... helps, but it also really does not

[amber cosmos]

Carnos cool down is non existent plus with its acceleration it can control the pace of the engagement anyway

[cyan flame]

It's 20 seconds on the charge, I wouldn't call that non existent

[amber cosmos]

Wouldn't really be the same with troodon and even a cerato could retaliate in 30 secs on a omni

[amber cosmos]

Combined with the fact it can control the engagement it makes carnos cool down redundant

[cyan flame]

Yes and no, troodon and omni are faster than most of their targets

So in most cases, omni/troodon control the engagement the same way carno does (aside from against galli or carno, though omni pins galli so they can do that)

[amber cosmos]

That's why I've been saying carno should get 2 charges but it's a 2 min cool down

[cyan flame]

Hence why I'm not so sure the cool down would do that much, it's an interesting idea, I'll give you that

But I'm not sure it's solving my personal issues with the pounce, same way the charge cooldown doesnt fix what I consider the problem with carno

So it's not neccesarily a bad idea, just not quite what I think is what would be useful

[amber cosmos]

To be frank pouncing shouldn't lock your ability to attack back either I hope that's a bug lol

[faint tapir]

"I find myself as an herbi player logging in, smelling for a migration, and if its too far i just log out" @valid brook i did that about 4 times consecutively with my stego. 😂 Log in -> Oh hell naw -> Log out

[valid brook]

yup

[swift atlas]

you can't drastically reduce sprint cost or else we are back to spiro where you can sprint everywhere. You can't allow player to run everywhere and keep the low pace of the game

food and water drain is something that requires changes rn, to fit into the new gameflow. As a juv you have a lot more stam than adult so you can run a lot more to move between migration, as a adult, trot is the way to go and you should not use run just to travel, and with the food/water drain balance the rush for food will feel alot better

[hidden mist]

Huh, where has gone my message about game performance? Is it now forbidden to talk about it, wth?

Who of moderators deleted it and why?

[limber hull]

probably because it's a bug

[hidden mist]

Wouldn't count as one because that's the engine problem in my opinion

[limber hull]

Then it's a bug

[icy lion]

Sorry, I was about to ping you. I deleted it because it was just a video advertisement that should be shared in #videos-and-streams

[hidden mist]

But that's just a proof to my point 😭

We can't even pin videos to general feedback nowadays?

Alr, will publish this in bug-reports then. After 3 weeks of publishing the same problem there, but that wasn't addressed... Nice, perfect, beautiful

Devs just don't care probs, they would've already replaced the shaders or do something with weather

[icy lion]

Sso the reason I deleted it was because you didn't mention anything specific in the body of the post. There is no mention of what is happening in particular, just "please watch my video." If you described what happened, and added the video to support the post, that'd be fine

[amber cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-chill-gif-7771013229184068709

[hidden mist]

I described it as 'performance issues with weather', and supported the point with video which included tests. Damn, the video is even available only via link. If I could just simply upload it here, I would, but I really don't know any video-hosting which can show video without downloading (and the video weighs 760 damn mbytes, so I can't download it directly on Discord)

If I will just summarize in my comment what is happening in the video and extra pin it to the comment, will that be allowed?

[icy lion]

The problem isn't that it's a youtube link, it's that the post cannot stand by itself without the video, if that makes sense

[hidden mist]

Alr, so if I briefly also describe the problem, like 'there's a problem which leads to several performance issues at sunsets and sunrises which makes playing the game annoying etc etc' will that be allowed to post in general feedback?

Alr, will try to play with imagination for my essay next time then...

[swift atlas]

raptor are a animal that is suppose to play on packs. Alone you won't be doing much against large prays, against small ones you can pin, that is a death sentece. If you are hunting something that requires more than 2-3 pounces to die from bleed, you should have more people with you. Currently buck does not much dmg to omni stam bar and you can really manage it in a good pack

[hidden mist]

Oh, welp, I re-read my post. Welp I really didn't state the specific problem I talked about, thought I actually wrote it... My apologies

[faint tapir]

BTW your video is interesting, i watched it earlier i think. But you need to uncap your 60fps in order to see real fps fluctuations. Just a tip 🙂

[hidden mist]

Ah, thank you. Welp I think I should have, but I think it goes down from around 70-80 to 30, so basically it's cut in half

I just want this problem to be solved, seriously. It's been 2-3 weeks already, devs as I know talked about performance improvements on release of Gateway to public, but there's none

[fleet brook]

I agree with most what you say, raptors should fight in packs to kill large dinosaurs. But this was always the case before this stamina update and did not need any change. Now it feels more restricted, it's not about skill anymore but more about managing your stamina.
I haven't played enough to know how a 1 on 1 raptor vs pachy or sub carno will go but I bet it's much harder then it was before.

[cyan flame]

1v1 for a pachy vs a raptor should be very difficult for the raptor. Right now with pounce broken however, it's not. And even if pounce wasn't broken, one full pounce + 2 or so alt bites kill the pachy, even if it bucks. Pounce also costs incredibly little, even hanging on. And managing stamina is part of skill, or smarts, no? Shouldn't it be an important thing for a raptor pack to take into account?

[fleet brook]

Yes completely agree, 1v1 with pachy should be very hard BUT possible like it was before this update. NO I love being a solo raptor and I play it solo for years, it's my favorite dinosaur and fighting something of a raptors weight class should not be impossible if you have the skills.

[cyan flame]

It's not. If things weigh less than you, you pin them and they just die. If they weight a bit more, you can still quite easily handle them. Current bucking is useless, there's a vid showing how pachy just dies to omni now. If anything, right now it's stupidly easy for omni, and that's not taking the broken no alt/attack into account.

But if you go solo, as a playable meant to hunt in packs for synergy and greater entertainment, you are going to be a bit "locked" in what you can do on your own

[fleet brook]

Good to know, I hope when they fix the prounce it will be fixed the right way to make it fair for everyone and it's still fun to be a solo raptor

[cyan flame]

Omni can't both be powerful solo and in groups, that'd be like old allo, just good for everything. If it's meant to be a punch up hunter, it should struggle with it's own size prey, more or less.

[lyric spoke]

Stamina "management" as a skill concept is so linear its laughable as it is now. You spend your stamina, you win. That's all it amounts to

[cyan flame]

#balance-feedback message

I think that'd be the vid, have a look

Pounce is such a problem child to balance xD

[lyric spoke]

I'd argue its really not. It was fine in 6.5 imo

[fleet brook]

Yeah thats crazy, I wouldn't even enjoy that as a raptor, its too easy. Hope they fix it soon but in the right way. It must be very challenging for a raptor but still possible.

[lyric spoke]

Well besides being buggy

[fleet brook]

I agree it was good before when the stamina system was "normal"

[cyan flame]

Not really. There were still the whole face/rear pouncing, tap pouncing, and so on. It'd be nice if pounce required some form of skill and aim and all. And some more fun counters than stand in palm tree for automated dismounting.

[lyric spoke]

Tap pouncing was a good change in this update. I don't think you can add much aim requirement than there already is. Can't think of any additional environmental counter than palm trees and mud either.

[cyan flame]

Could make it so it's a fail if you don't hit the flanks, if you hit head or tail, you just stand there (or even get knocked down, but that might be too harsh), and the same for being hit by alt, except instead of knocked down, just have it act as a missed pounce. Punishing, but less so. And makes for more interaction than just use terrain or die. And no, I don't want more environmental counters, I want playables able to counter by doing things, so there's more to the engagement. And they plan to change mud so you can't use that, meaning it'll be rocks, trees, cliff sides and water (unless deino).

[fleet brook]

Then it would be impossible to win 1v1 won't it? Since your target always faces you.

[cyan flame]

Not really. There's ambushes, meaning you jump your target before it even knows you're there. And in the cases of solo prey, you might pin them, meaning they just die if you get the jump on them in the first place. You also have the potential to back off, sneak around, or pretend to leave to make your target lower their guard. If you get the first pounce in, and do decent bleed, it's not likely that your target is going to just run off, or at least be able to be tracked even easier with the bleed it now has.

If you're going solo for a teno or carno, sure, but then you shouldn't really be going solo for those. Galli gets pinned, dryo gets pinned, beipi gets pinned. Juvies/subs get pinned or may get pinned depending on size, or might otherwise not be that powerful so you can get one pounce and then finish them off with bites like in the pachy vid.

If you're solo, I think it's fine if you're more limited in what you can pounce, the moment you add a friend, you'll have an open side even if the target tries to turn to keep one of you in front.

[fleet brook]

That sounds good, if they can make it that the first prounce will cause a bleed effect that can heal fast enough unless the raptor manage to hit with bites. Not for big dinosaurs ofcourse but for dinosaurs that match raptors weight or a little bit higher

[analog stream]

eu4 closed down

reset my carno : )

[swift atlas]

not actually, you could abuse a lot more playing in 2-3 players, due to fast regen

everyone knows that spiro omni was meta poucing, run a bit, hide and rest for 30sec, get back

now you need to use brains, that is the point

[deep elm]

im having huge fps drop from spiro to gateway, had 110 constantly now i have 50 at best. any suggestions? i deleted config file and also have low settings

[swift atlas]

did you deleted cofing file?

[deep elm]

yes

also have low settings

[sullen tartan]

im stuck under the map at a bottom black pit of nothing can i have a admin come tele me out on na 3?

[icy lion]

Check the pinned messages in #evrima-na to see how to request assistance

[cunning ether]

dondi twitchstream

someone: When will we get new dinos ?
dondi answer:

[normal lotus]

Yea. Because they themselves don't know because development be like that.

[safe hearth]

👏

[gentle briar]

😂

[fleet brook]

The bug of servers now showing the right amount of players has been a problem for a year now, does anyone know any information about it? Why has it not been fixed yet?

[lean scaffold]

I disagree. It's a head fracture, not a jaw fracture.

@near geyser Just throwing this out there as a friendly tip. If you don't want to fall down a hill, pay attention to the ground texture. Dark gray/black stone texture is what you'll slip and fall on. Light gray is traversable, and safe to walk on.

Been testing that theory for a while now.

[near geyser]

thx, most of the time i slip at night but still sucks there's not like a kill switch for in case something like that happens

[marble cedar]

Am I going insane? Why do people always say that AI in Evrima makes no noise? Sure deer, goats, and rabbits are usually pretty quiet, but boar, chicken, and frogs never shut up.

[lean scaffold]

^^^^^^^^^^

Even the AI teno makes noise in the form of its footprints.

Which, might I add, are actually pretty loud.

[lean scaffold]

I actually can never hear deer tbh.

Boar I hear just fine.

I'm not 100% sure, but I heard that AI spawn around players when they get hungry enough. There's a cap on spawns though, so if you can't find AI, there's either too many on the map, or you're not paying attention.
THIS IS FALSE. ^^^

[icy lion]

That was true in legacy, not in evrima

[lean scaffold]

Thank you for the clarification.

[dawn goblet]

AI just needs a scent to indicate that their in the area. Similar to tracks but can be seen a far off like a yellow (various for type of creature) glowing puddle (similar to how blood puddles look) for either periodic urination or automatic marking their territory.
Then allow players to do the same with a key binding. (Srsly so much opportunity to be had with the scent system)

[lean scaffold]

Eh, I personally think people just need to listen instead of look, but we'll agree to disagree.

[urban flax]

Head fracture is literally a jaw fracture in the game
That's why it reduces normal bite damage by 75%