general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

it would MAKE SENSE FOR REX

because a rex actually has, y'know, a bite that should be fracturing the bones of a trike

the cerato is literally a little bastard that isn't even a fraction of a trike

so we have
rex
alberto (a smaller version of rex)
cerato (an even smaller version of rex)

what a fun and unique and cool ecosystem, I'm so glad they removed cerato's unique mechanic to make it a clone of the T-Rex but smaller

[obsidian sphinx]

again cera is way bigger than a measly trike horn in that logic.

[limber hull]

a trike's horn is literally basically longer and thicker than cerato's goddamn SPINE

like its absolutely absurd

there is more bone mass on the trike's horn than any bone in a cera's body

[obsidian sphinx]

the horn doesn't have flesh and fat on it that can absorb damage.

[limber hull]

also, what part of "corpse bully" involves cera going around and breaking the bones of apex herbivores?

yea totally not a hunter

even though it literally breaks the bones of animals slower than it

[urban flax]

The horns are horns that absorb damage

[obsidian sphinx]

the horns are tools like nails they are meant to be broken they can just regrow.

[limber hull]

not at all

[urban flax]

Nope
The horns aren't meant to be broken
They're made of bone

[limber hull]

have you actually ever, y'know, learned how animals work

[urban flax]

The horns are tools like greatswords

[limber hull]

except if the greatsword was attached to your body and can never be repaired

[obsidian sphinx]

which can bend but reinforced

[urban flax]

If your sword bends it's a bad sword and that's beside the point

The point of a sword isn't to break then to be replaced
It's not what they're designed to do

They're made to be as sturdy as possible so they don't break

[obsidian sphinx]

if you hit hard things with sword ofcourse it will chip away.

[urban flax]

The only weapons I can think of that are designed to break are viking shields
Which are made out of soft wood so the enemys weapons penetrate it and get stuck

[limber hull]

if i remove a bone from your arm, fun fact, you're not growing that back. No amount of prayers and dreams is making that come back. A fracture is different, as the bones can HEAL (reconnect), but they cannot regrow

[urban flax]

Not the point

[urban flax]

And jousting spears as well, although they're not actual weapons

[obsidian sphinx]

horns are made of the same material that of nails it constantly grows.

[limber hull]

it was literally a part of trike's SKULL, it's safe to say the horns were bone

[urban flax]

Horns are made of bone with a keratin sheath
They're not pure keratin

[obsidian sphinx]

do nails survive when fossilized?

[urban flax]

no

[limber hull]

no lol

[urban flax]

nails literally deteriorate after being left for 30 minutes in lukewarm water, you'd really think they'd survive for millions of years ?

[ember anvil]

@wild bear there's boar for that

[obsidian sphinx]

have u seen how a trike horn looked irl?

[limber hull]

like bone

because it's bone

[obsidian sphinx]

cuz bones survive fossilization.

[limber hull]

yes and bones don't grow back

[urban flax]

Except on newts and geckos

[limber hull]

which are specifically designed for that and are not 9 ton herbivores with spiky skulls

[obsidian sphinx]

the inner bony part of the horns survives fossilization but the enamel of the real horn is made up of doesn't thats the thing that breaks.

[limber hull]

wh

then the horn is still there

i can still impale you

[midnight heath]

Let's not forget that horns aren't always made of keratin, bony-plated pseudo-horns do exist in the reptile world.

What even is this current argument, I'm lost.

[urban flax]

Cerato breaking trikes horns with bites

[limber hull]

cerato should break bones and specifically trike horns and stego thagomizer

this makes it a better "corpse bully" somehow

[obsidian sphinx]

full charged bites and surviving if lucky enough.

[limber hull]

SURVIVING IF LUCKY ENOUGH

[urban flax]

Nah, not even with fully charged bites.

[midnight heath]

I

Pardon?

[limber hull]

here's how the trike v cerato fight should go

cera walks up

cera gets hit

cera dies

cera should be absolutely worthless against a trike

[urban flax]

Or maybe smth like 10 charged bites to break a trike's horn ? I could see it being somewhat fair
Although breaking trikes horns is still stupid as a concept

[midnight heath]

Bite force aside a bite will not be taking that off. Creatures alive today that are able to break bones via bites typically aren't doing it in the same sense as what I think they're trying to imagine. Nor would it be very smart for any predator to actively attempt to do something like rather than just trying to dispatch it as quickly and as less-risky as possible.

[limber hull]

rex is one of the few animals to ever actually specialise in a bite that broke bones

emphasis on one of the only

because basically no other animal does this

[midnight heath]

Rex has some of the largest jaw muscles as far as we're aware I believe yeah? So that adds up but cera is small.

[limber hull]

cera is small and also not at all specialised for it

[midnight heath]

Hyenas break bones sure but that's on corpses, not alive and well moving big and threatening creatures.

Cera has no reason for it either from a more game-play view. It's not it's niche.

[limber hull]

his suggestion is to make it the niche

remove vomit, remove bleed res, remove body buff, remove fracture resistance, make its only thing that it breaks bones and that's it

the whole animal just breaks bones and that's it

[midnight heath]

Why we don't need that as a niche, and cera should be the furthest from the first candidate for that.

Ah so just get rid of cera then

[limber hull]

because it's apparently somehow a better corpse bully

because it breaks bones

[midnight heath]

Cera is already a very good bully

that body buff is way more than I thought

[limber hull]

but it can't be because it doesn't break bones

[midnight heath]

Oh okay I see

[limber hull]

how can it be a good bully AND also not break bones

doesn't add up

corpse bully = breaks bones

[obsidian sphinx]

how is vomit cera going to hold its own against allos and albertos?

[midnight heath]

I'm not sure you grasp how strong the vomit is

[limber hull]

imagine how much more fun and unique cera would be if you removed all these pesky interesting mechanics and made it into carnivore pachy

[urban flax]

Well vomit already allows it to hold its own quite well against stegos
Even allows it to hunt them

[midnight heath]

Solo cera can kill a FG steg if they're patient.

via vomit

[obsidian sphinx]

stegos are slower than cera it doesn't matter.

[urban flax]

On another note tho, I DO think most attacks from big animals should deal a small amount of fracture damage
Would probably not change much in terms of gameplay, but add a bit of extra immersion

[urban flax]

It does matter
Cera can kill stegos thanks to vomit
How is that not a testimony of how strong vomit is ?

[midnight heath]

The good ol' "Nuh-Uh" argument

[limber hull]

a fracture cera will be even worse so there's that

if cera could fracture, it'll be fracturing allo on the second or third bite at least based on how these things are balanced. In that time, allo can just hit 'em with one of these

and now cera is dead

[midnight heath]

That allo looks so tiny

[urban flax]

I was thinking the same thing

[limber hull]

too bad it doesn't have a body buff or bleed resist because cera could use those to live an allo

but alas, we removed those elements when we made it a fracture jockey

[desert arch]

1. It will probably be faster and have more stam
2. Even if all else fails it can just cross a body of water to instantly escape thanks to its amazing swim speed
3. If youre thinking about a 1v1 a cerato should never win, not even with a body, but groups of ceratos will definetly pose a threat to an allo or alberto

[limber hull]

or how about alberto, who is actually more likely to have a fracturing bite on account of it being literally just a smaller rex? wouldn't having fracture resist help the cerato survive this threat over a bone break that takes several charged bites to actually work

there's also the obvious thing of cerato should literally just lose to allo in a 1v1 because allo is 2x its size

[obsidian sphinx]

it makes it so that cera is untouchable from other small bleeders in order to have defense against allos no one will play small tiers everyone would be mid-tier or larger.

[limber hull]

what are you even talking about

[latent olive]

sidenote, im pretty sure cerato's mouth would shatter on impact trying to bite into a trike's horns

[limber hull]

probably, yea

[desert arch]

"Oh no, omni has a counter"

[limber hull]

like trying to bite into a steel bar

[midnight heath]

I can't imagine the force of impact

[latent olive]

he need some milk

[midnight heath]

Trikes neck muscles alone are so strong to hold up that massive head

[limber hull]

and swing its two attached weapons to kill things

[latent olive]

triceratops can literally just raise one eyebrow and the cerato is removed from the timeline

[midnight heath]

A walking impalement waiting to happen

God I'm excited for trike.

[latent olive]

[limber hull]

here's how you survive an allo as a cerato

learn to flee
flee

[latent olive]

[midnight heath]

"But I am a carnivore!"

[obsidian sphinx]

allo is faster than cera.

[limber hull]

based on literally what evidence

where have you found allo's secret stat sheet

[midnight heath]

So is carno but it's agility is far above.

[obsidian sphinx]

are u going to make allo pathetic to make cera viable?

[latent olive]

i wouldnt be surprised if cerato is slightly faster than allo

allo is a big man trying to chase a little man

[desert arch]

Why does allo need to run at 40km+ speed?

[latent olive]

strides are there yeah, but the little man be zoom and nyoom

[limber hull]

are you gonna make trike pathetic to fulfil your cera power fantasy?

[obsidian sphinx]

carno is pathetic this update they nerfed its stam way too much

[midnight heath]

Remind me, how big is allo again? Pretty big yeah compared to cera?

[latent olive]

3 tons

[midnight heath]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-up-hold-on-wayment-startled-idris-elba-gif-15124790

[limber hull]

literally well over 2x the size of cera lol

[obsidian sphinx]

even if trike was pathetic it would still be OP due its health alone.

[latent olive]

theres an image somewhere of them lined up side by side, facing the camera, and allo dwarfs cerato

[limber hull]

aka well beyond cera's punching range

[urban flax]

Pathetic means pathetic
The opposite of OP

[limber hull]

"para is OP because it has a lot of health!"

[urban flax]

If a trike can die to one cera it's not op
It's just miserable

[midnight heath]

OP is being slung pretty loosely I see

[latent olive]

always is, people dont understand what it actually means

[obsidian sphinx]

who said trike would die to 1 cera?

[urban flax]

You

[limber hull]

literally you

[midnight heath]

https://tenor.com/view/nero-confused-devil-may-cry-gif-19327844

[limber hull]

you are the exact person who wants cera to remove trike's ONLY WEAPONS

[obsidian sphinx]

I never said trike would die it just that its horns will break.

[midnight heath]

Trike would look so dumb without it's big ol horns

[limber hull]

so it's defenseless and it dies

[urban flax]

Exactly
What's a trike without its horns ?
Fodder

[midnight heath]

It would actually just be a cow

[latent olive]

if theres any creature on this roster other than rex that could possibly maybe perhaps break trikes horns is deinosuchus and thats a fat maybe

[urban flax]

Cows have horns

[limber hull]

i'm sure the oversized protoceratops can survive

[midnight heath]

A sad, hornless cow

[latent olive]

no those are bulls

[limber hull]

just gotta make a trike-sized burrow

[urban flax]

Cows still have horns

[midnight heath]

An actual crater

[latent olive]

cave spelunking niche trike

[limber hull]

a perfect world where 1.3 ton carnivores can remove the defenses of 6+ ton herbivores :)

finally a balanced ecosystem where cera decides who gets to play and who gets to die

[obsidian sphinx]

The irony is that u want a broken horn as a skin but when it comes to damage it should do the same as a full horn.

[limber hull]

at what point has he said that

[urban flax]

When did I say I wanted a broken horn as a skin ?

[limber hull]

man's literally just making stuff up now

[midnight heath]

I like how big herbivores are built like bricks with horns for a reason

[obsidian sphinx]

who said trike will die to cerato?

[limber hull]

you

[urban flax]

you

[obsidian sphinx]

I never said that

[limber hull]

you very much did

[latent olive]

i think that uhm

[limber hull]

"cerato should be allowed to break the horns of triceratops"

aka

"cerato should be allowed to render the triceratops defenceless, meaning it is literally dead to the first thing that sees it (or the cera itself)"

[latent olive]

galimisus ?

[obsidian sphinx]

if the player is pathetic enough to die to a solo cera then yes.

[limber hull]

1v1 me, i'll play cerato without vomit and you'll play stegosaurus except you aren't allowed to attack at all

i'm pretty sure we'll know who wins

[midnight heath]

Solo cera is strong just for the record

[limber hull]

if you press an attack you are disqualified and I win

[obsidian sphinx]

anyone can take a stego and kill everything is that fun?

[limber hull]

no because stego can't do that

[midnight heath]

Just run

move away from it, the steg will not catch you

[limber hull]

god imagine seeing something BIGGER than you and turning around and LEAVING

completely impossible to fathom

[midnight heath]

I too stand in front of cars

Expecting not to turn to paste

[obsidian sphinx]

that means stego is better corpse bully than cera why play cera then?

[limber hull]

i call busses OP when I swerve in front of them and they collide with my car

[midnight heath]

How is it a corpse bully? Because it can stand over a corpse like literally any playable?

[limber hull]

"rex is better at corpse bullying than cera cera is useless no point in playing"

[obsidian sphinx]

exactly

[latent olive]

enraged at the sight of anything larger than me, just yesterday i had a fight with a hospital

[limber hull]

LMAO

[urban flax]

If all you're interested in is kill things without them being able to fight back just play deino and forget every other playable exists

[limber hull]

NO WAY

[midnight heath]

You're playing the scavenger just go elsewhere

[limber hull]

Do you ACTUALLY want cera to chase rex off a corpse

That's like a chihuahua scaring a pitbull away from its food lol

[midnight heath]

You're meant to bully off other ceras, carnos, omni, etcs

not things 3x your weight

[latent olive]

thats not a pitbull thats like a grizzly bear

[urban flax]

(I've seen a video of a cat doing that to a gator)

[midnight heath]

There's a weird amount of those

https://tenor.com/view/cat-alligator-gif-19555728

[urban flax]

Guess cats are scary
Or gators are not used to things standing up to them

[midnight heath]

I mean that is why just being big and loud works for somethings

and other things... Not so much

[limber hull]

gators don't like confrontation when out of water, they'll generally retreat at the sight of something throwing hands while it's not in the safety of the water, regardless of size

and cats are dumb

[obsidian sphinx]

the gator shouldn't fear the cat it is 10 times bigger

[limber hull]

the trike shouldn't fear the cera it is 10 times bigger

[obsidian sphinx]

bigger always better

[limber hull]

agreed, hence why trike should mount cera on its wall

[obsidian sphinx]

when everything is bigger no one will.

[limber hull]

what

[midnight heath]

Genuinely had someone tell me that animals like cats that do that aren't dumb for doing it.

[limber hull]

no cats are really dumb lol

[midnight heath]

When arguing about why wouldn't a Dibble wouldn't pick a fight with a Trike

[limber hull]

dogs are legit smarter than cats by a significant margin

[latent olive]

and yet the cats make us do their bidding.,..., curious.,,,,,

[limber hull]

i dont have cats because they suck

hence their influence does not impact me

[midnight heath]

I'm pretty sure their intelligence is just... elsewhere compared to dogs, brains just do be working a bit different

It's like the whole reptile brain thing, so many people think reptiles are hella dumb

[limber hull]

"yes i would like one local ecosystem destruction please"
they have played us for absolute fools

[midnight heath]

Last thing on the topic; people who don't fix their cats and let them outside should be fined. Also just letting them free-roam outside in general because of how much damage they cause. I love cats but God damn.

[urban flax]

Or right I forgot you're australian
No wonder you hate cats

[midnight heath]

They kill more small wildlife than I think any other invasive species (?)

[limber hull]

they do

[midnight heath]

Rex will be a threat to big herbis

even Anky

[obsidian sphinx]

what if the server is littered with adult rexes?

[limber hull]

trike can kill it

[urban flax]

Then that means rex is overpowered

[limber hull]

because its bones don't get broken in a single bite

[obsidian sphinx]

so it is just apexes players will choose

[urban flax]

Or too easy to play

[limber hull]

no?

[midnight heath]

If that's the case why do we still see other playables?

[limber hull]

i won't choose apexes because i don't like apexes

fun fact did you know that not everyone is playing for your powergame fantasy

some people LIKE the animals and their unique playstyles beyond how much they can kill and destroy

i know, horrifying, but the game is more than just dinos killing other dinos

[midnight heath]

Deinos side; I see ceras, carnos and omnis more than most things

Even things like gali

[limber hull]

this isnt legacy where every animal is the same thing but with different animations and stats

this is actually a game where different animals are capable of different things and each do something unique

take, for instance, ceratosaurus, who is the only animal in the game with a sceptic bite

it would suck if that unique element was replaced with something generic

[midnight heath]

That's why I genuinely enjoy the more speculative take on some of these species

[obsidian sphinx]

hyenas dont have septic bites komodos have.

[midnight heath]

No. Komodo dragons are venomous it's not the same.

Also ceras aren't hyenas

[limber hull]

komodos don't have sceptic bites

[obsidian sphinx]

they have bacteria in mouth that causes the wound to rot.

[limber hull]

also if you squint hard enough you can see these two are actually different animals

[limber hull]

no, that's literally just venom

[midnight heath]

You're just wrong

They'll die before anything has a chance to rot

[limber hull]

the bacteria is literally the least of your concern when bitten by a komodo

[midnight heath]

Don't we have something planned with a bite akin to the komodo?

[limber hull]

megalania, aka, big komodo

[midnight heath]

We have a model for that yeah?

[limber hull]

we have concept art

[obsidian sphinx]

isn't vomit mechanic suitable for megalania?

[urban flax]

no

[limber hull]

not at all

[urban flax]

What's suitable for megalania is venom

[midnight heath]

I thought there was a monitor lizard in one of the trailers a bit back, I might be thinking of something else

the fella had a neat red gradient towards the back half

[urban flax]

Also don't komodos have a weird thing where their venom glands don't connect to hollow fangs but instead just spill out in their saliva, and makes it venomous ?

[midnight heath]

It's technically vemon, venom doesn't need to be injected to be considered venom.

It's like how some snakes just chew it in

or how the spitting cobra spats it at you

I for a really long time didn't know that komodo even had venom glands.

[urban flax]

Yeah
What I meant is that komodos aren't like every other venomous animal, in that they just make their saliva venomous instead of injecting it speifically

[midnight heath]

OH

I gotcha

[urban flax]

And that's why people thought for a long time they weren't venomous
Cuz they don't have hollow fangs

[midnight heath]

Venomous lizards are just a strange bunch, there aren't many in the same sense that there aren't many poisonous snakes either.

We have the gila, beaded lizard and I think just komodo for the lizards? Those are the three I know off the top of my head at least.

[latent olive]

if megalania was shown off, i would know

basically, every monitor lizard is venomous to a degree

[midnight heath]

I'm a goober, what I saw was POT

[latent olive]

some more than others, some less so

komodo dragons are venomous and the whole bacteria thing is a myth

[midnight heath]

I had it as background noise some time back so I didn't connect the dots

[midnight heath]

Sadly that's so wide spread that most still believe it

[latent olive]

and the actual reason why most komodo wounds fester on their animal victims is because the animals instinctively wallow in mud to try and clot their wounds

but since theyre bleeding so much thanks to the anticoagulant venom, they dont actually clot their wounds and instead all the harmful bacteria in the mud itself start infesting the wound

or something like that idk im not a komodo dragon

[obsidian sphinx]

the venom works like legacy dilo venom.

[limber hull]

legacy dilo doesn't have venom lol

[obsidian sphinx]

the bacteria causes infection.

[limber hull]

legacy dilo... doesn't have venom

[obsidian sphinx]

causes victim to bleed for much longer.

[limber hull]

no it literally doesn't have venom

it just has a really high bleed damage

[obsidian sphinx]

Megalania would be perfect for vomit/bleed niche instead of cera.

[limber hull]

no it wouldn't

bleed, sure, but cera doesn't even bleed that much

[latent olive]

no it wouldnt

[obsidian sphinx]

cera did got a bleed buff recent patch.

[latent olive]

megalania wouldnt be able to utilise the bacteria bite like cerato would due to low agility

megalania is far more suited to a bite and wait playstyle where the damage is being done from a safe distance

[midnight heath]

Venom... Is venom. Bacteria causing an infection or something with anticoagulants isn't venomous because of either of those factors.

Something needs vemon to be venomous.

[obsidian sphinx]

anticoagulant agent is venom itself whereas the bacteria is a by product.

[midnight heath]

Ah yes, so vampire bats and mosquitos are venomous.

[latent olive]

i mean, yeah

[midnight heath]

And when you get bit by venomous spiders I too recall bleeding profusely

[latent olive]

i would technically say theyre venomous

i dont know about mosquitos though

[latent olive]

why are you getting bitten by spiders

[midnight heath]

Anticoagulants are in a lot of things and bacteria is it's own ordeal. Neither on their own could be considered true venom via glands (?) While hemotoxic venom involves anticoagulant properties it on it's own doesn't make something venomous as far as I'm aware. However it's still debated if that classifies something as venomous or not, rather than just having venom components.

So I guess I am wrong and that it could be considered venomous given there's debate on the topic

Some things source that something requires glands to be venomous while others don't

[latent olive]

so basically

[midnight heath]

I love how things regarding zoology aren't black and white, making it easy to pin-point things without it changing a year later. 🙃

[latent olive]

cerato should break trike horns ?

[midnight heath]

Obviously

[latent olive]

very yes.......

[obsidian sphinx]

not only cera but also pachyrhino.

[midnight heath]

Clearly this. Real life cera biting off a trike horn.

[urban flax]

Why is that hyena holding a knife

[midnight heath]

Excuse me

that is the horn

[urban flax]

Oh
ok

[midnight heath]

He bit it off

[urban flax]

makes sense

[obsidian sphinx]

3 ton rhino vs 80 kg hyena not sure but 8-10 ton trike vs 1.3 ton cera chances are high.

[latent olive]

🪤

this has to be bait this has to be bait this has to be

[limber hull]

the chances are high for what

it gettting murked?

[obsidian sphinx]

for cera to break horns

1.3 ton predator is no joke.

[limber hull]

i actually cannot fathom how this makes sense in your head

[urban flax]

It is to a 10 ton herbivore

[limber hull]

you seem to be willingly leaving out the fact that it's a 10 ton herbivore

[obsidian sphinx]

so what if it has a 80 kg horn?

[urban flax]

If it has a 80 kg horn it's not a trike

[midnight heath]

I can't entertain this, this lad is lost

[limber hull]

i literally don't even understand how this maths even works in your head

if triceratops could have its primary defensive tool torn off by a 1.3 ton carnivore, it would be extinct

[obsidian sphinx]

horns are broken and not tored of

[urban flax]

Also we're talking about a videogame here
And videogames need to be balanced
Even if it means it's not 100% realistic

[limber hull]

if triceratops could have its primary defensive tool broken by a 1.3 ton carnivore, it would be extinct

[obsidian sphinx]

it is ironically

[limber hull]

yes but that's because of an extinction event, not because cerato existed in the same time period

[obsidian sphinx]

no one knows maybe it was to big to adapt to scarce food

[limber hull]

alright, let's put this in better terms, leaving out realism and viability
1: No one agrees with the concept of fracture cera
2: No one agrees with the concept of fracture cera additionally fracturing apex level herbivores so they can't actually fight back
3: The devs have already decided what they want for the animal (which is vomit/bacteria cera), so fracture cera is basically confirmed never gonna happen
4: Even IF fracture cera were to happen, there would be no chance in hell the devs would allow an animal of that size to square up and disarm an apex-level animal

There you go

[urban flax]

For some reason people really want large herbivores specifically to be fodder to smaller carnivores
Like when that one guy suggested carno to be able to ite stego's tail to prevent it from attacking so another carno can bite its head

[limber hull]

Power fantasy isn't satiated with just bullying everything within my preferred hunting range

[obsidian sphinx]

what do you do when u are an apex herbivore and no one to kill you? u mixpack.

[limber hull]

i mean, stegos are one of the worst animals to have in a mixpack so who cares lol

i once fought against a mixpack with a stego and the stego was so pathetic i actually started taunting it because of how bad they are for mixpacking

its too slow to keep up with its mixpack friends and too clumsy to not accidentally kill its allies who are also trying to kill you

i love it when mixpacks have a stego because i know they're either going to do nothing or accidentally ruin their own mixpack

[urban flax]

There are better picks to kill an apex herbivore than carnos and ceras
Like apex carnivores

[obsidian sphinx]

so every one will either be an apex herbivore or apex carnivore.

[urban flax]

Of course, just like how everyone is playing stego right now

[limber hull]

i remember when i last logged on and everybody was playing stegosaurus and nothing else

i cant remember the last time i saw a deino or cera or omni or carno because everyone is just playing stego

100 stegos on every server

[obsidian sphinx]

maybe wait for rex then it would be true

[urban flax]

I'll switch to stego for sure once rex is added so I can be killed properly

[limber hull]

yea because no one wants to play aquatics or climbers or flyers or things that are fast to grow or fast animals or burrowers or anything of that sort, everyone who plays this game all universally want to play whatever is biggest at the time

[urban flax]

And absolutely ignore every other animal with unique niches and gameplays

[limber hull]

it's not like different animals provide different gameplay experiences

[weak dune]

I actually see a pretty even mix of most dinos on a few community servers (free grow servers) but what usually ends up happening is everyone logs onto certain dinos and then summarily begin slaughtering / cannibalizing each other just cuz, including others of the same species. Stegos and Deinos seem to be particularly bad about this. And both are pretty BS because the only thing someone of the same species needs to do to kill you is be the first one to hit you.

[obsidian sphinx]

or maybe outnumber rex 10 to 1 also depends how rex is balanced

[limber hull]

????

there will never be a universe where stego outnumbers rex 10 to 1

[urban flax]

Why play ptera at all when rex exists

[limber hull]

or outnumbers rex at all

[limber hull]

beipi? but rex!

[obsidian sphinx]

when quetz exists

[limber hull]

i feel like you're projecting your own mindset of bigger = better onto the community as a whole

[weak dune]

Chances are Rex is going to end up with the current Deino & Cera situation. Everyone and their mother will be playing Rex and occasionally you might stumble on a lone teno or beipi that doesn't survive long

[limber hull]

i literally play troodon despite omni existing and will continue playing troodon when dilo exists

because i like troodon

[urban flax]

The coexistence of both troodon, omni and carno proves your reasoning is wrong

[obsidian sphinx]

or it could be opposite

[weak dune]

To be fair, Troodon is the better Omni, as long as you don't get hit with the latch bug where someone kills you on pounce lol

[limber hull]

troodon is more fun than omni, it's not better

omni is infinitely stronger as an animal

i just prefer troodon from a gameplay aspect

[urban flax]

When you're not making any sense, appear cryptic so people believe that's because you're super smart

[limber hull]

disorient and confuse so that you can pretend like you're not making sense on purpose

[weak dune]

I'd say troodon is a lot better considering its weight class. Omni is only better because its larger and faster

And I say "better" in terms of omni very loosely

[latent olive]

you didnt have to target me that hard man

[urban flax]

You're just collateral damage

An acceptable amount of collateral damage

[latent olive]

[misty thorn]

@digital plank that removes the whole risk to reward aspect of eating less now in order to fill your nutrients later vs eating now but not having the perfect nutrients

So you can risk starving for better nutrients or play it safe

Getting full grown should be a challenge otherwise you'll have no shot at growing when you spawn in

[void crow]

@brave sonnet A lot of times my friend and I try to play The Isle my friend spawns in dead after safe logging. Before the patch where they said it was fixed instead my friend fell through the world and died to fall damage.

[brave sonnet]

Exactly what happened to me.... lost 2 fg stegos that way i love this game so much (over 600 hours played) but im not going to waste my time if im going to die from logging in even if i safe logged

[void crow]

I've played over 2,000 hours... also before you say it, I know. I need to go outside. 😭

[pure atlas]

@foggy fiber idk you might want to feed young ones that but you can’t if you automatically swallow it

[indigo gulch]

@limber hull just want to add that I loved the discussion you guys had earlier. Was eating a snack while reading and everything 🤣

[lucid robin]

why does everyone dislike ptera being able to drink while skimming?? it just makes sense, its open mouth is literally in the water. why not scoop up water like some modern-day birds?

it could also use this to bring water to hatchlings, cough cough.

IF it could hold water in its beak, anyway

[proud coral]

The problem comes from Pteranodon already being super easy to survive with. And while there's nothing necessarily wrong with that, allowing it to drink on the go would be a bit much in that regard. Ptera needs reasons to be grounded for periods of time so that it's not entirely invulnerable, and drinking is one of them.

Also on a less serious note, I think it needs to look up to swallow and doing that and flying sounds painful

[limber hull]

it was rather amusing

[urban bear]

@pulsar prawn Pounce is getting a function like that, if enough raptors pounce something and exhuast it they will be able to transition from a pounce to all of them pinning and killing that animal

[limber hull]

i cant fathom why people want omnis to be taking down stegos with combined weight lol

omni is already strong enough lol

and it has far too favourable a matchup against stego

one of the only apexes with inbuilt flank defence and it gets killed this quickly by raptors makes me more than concerned for things like trike lol

[jovial hazel]

I feel like that's not for omni vs stego. Even 4 omnis shouldn't be able to drag a stego down like that.

[limber hull]

the art is literally of omnis dragging down stego

[jovial hazel]

I was referring to the "Pounce is getting a function like that, if enough raptors pounce something and exhuast it they will be able to transition from a pounce to all of them pinning and killing that animal" up above.

The animation was shown of a pouncer dragging something down and dondi said it was something being worked on. But it makes 0 sense for 4 omnis to drag down something like a stego.

[limber hull]

@full pewter if the stress test is still buggy and crashy or what have you, i doubt we'll be seeing it at all

it's all dependent on performance. They don't want to show a barely playable experience

embargo lift would be nice, but it's not dependent on when the devs want to do it, but if they are able to

[full pewter]

Like not see gateway at all or embargo lift?

[limber hull]

no embargo lift

[full pewter]

Ok ya

[limber hull]

if the stress test isn't in a condition where the game runs smoothly, we're probably not getting the embargo lift

[full pewter]

Idk it’s gotta play smoothly eventually, then embargo lift, then release right?

[limber hull]

it's not entirely the choice of the devs, because they need a build that's stable first

showing off an unstable build will only create negative discourse

[midnight heath]

Cera is small compared to a steg, we can't say if it's "realistic" or not that it could kill a steg with a bite to the neck without knowing the actual bite force of the animal or how rotund steg's neck was.

[desert arch]

It takes 6 headshots, it would be 3 if deinos base bite force was 1000

[midnight heath]

Crits are double yeah?

So a head bite is roughly 1000k (?)

[desert arch]

Yeah, but deino does 500dmg×2 on headshots, thats 6 bites to kill

[desert arch]

Exactly

[midnight heath]

Oh my God I'm a goober

[desert arch]

X)

[midnight heath]

I have no idea how I chunked that in half

[flat ruin]

@ionic smelt
Un-click the last box under gameplay settings, now u can bite normally without taking Stam, and for when you want to use directional attacks, hold alt while left clicking

[ionic smelt]

Thank you 👍

[flat ruin]

Np 😊

[pliant wadi]

Im curious, why wouldnt you want an ingame ID?

[indigo gulch]

it's also problematic because some people don't actually recognize a hacker and just assume. Yeah you have very obvious ones, like one tappers or infinite stamina, but most of the time people mistake mechanics for hacks. By letting the devs or admins look at it themselves when reporting without name or ID, they can be the final judge. Adding the ID would basically be ''that person hacked? Ban hammer''. Which would cause unjust bans

and even if the ID thing would work and you don't instantly ban them, how are you going to notice when they aren't on? Have a notification every time they play?

[sturdy monolith]

Can a carno 2 shot a raptor? (no hits to the head)

[urban flax]

With charge, yes

[sturdy monolith]

wtf

[urban flax]

Charge is busted yea

It deals 300 damage
And with bite dealing 150 damage, 1 charge+one bite to the body and you're dead

[limber hull]

No it actually does 350, you undersold how strong it is lol

[urban flax]

carno main

[ivory sandal]

Its bite also does 175

[urban flax]

Isn't that cera ?

[limber hull]

150 cera, 175 carno

[ivory sandal]

Nah you're mixed up

Yeah that what Mr bee said

[limber hull]

carno's bite is honestly kinda pathetic all things considered (probably to compensate for the god charge)

[north quiver]

350 + 175 = a world of hurt

god forbid you get rammed in the head

[limber hull]

i wish its stats were evened out

rather than just being nothing than extremes

[urban flax]

Carno is an EXTREME DINOSAUR

[ivory sandal]

Only bc the bite speed is pretty ass

If its bite speed was even marginally better then the bite would probably see a bite more action but still unfortunately play second fiddle to the nuclear explosive

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/extreme-dinosaurs-cartoon-gif-22421501

[foggy field]

Carno is a A-TRAIN cosplay

[limber hull]

this is legit the most 90s thing i've ever seen

[urban flax]

The show was terrible but I loved it as a kid

[limber hull]

yea, idk, i just really hate how carno is

[ivory sandal]

Agreed

[limber hull]

its balanced entirely around extreme highs and lows

there's nothing average about it

[urban flax]

fracture resistance

water drain

[limber hull]

It's actually got really slow water drain

[urban flax]

oh

[limber hull]

Like one of the slowest water drains in the game

[ivory sandal]

Because of course it does

[limber hull]

its frac resist I BELIEVE is average, but I think it has less fracture health than other animals to compensate (because it was being balanced around pachy)

so its more susceptible to fractures than other animals iirc

the only average thing about carno is honestly its bleed damage

it does just... okay bleed damage

actually no nevermind when you compare it to literally any other animal i think it has the worst bleed damage

i finally got it

it has average trot speed

[urban flax]

Yeah they reduced Carno's bleed damage when they implemented specific bleed modificer for different attacks

[ivory sandal]

Not like it needs it anyways considering most things die on impact with over 500 damage on heads besides stego and pachy

[limber hull]

isnt it weird that carno is for some reason a literal hodgepodge of random stat changes and whatnot

its literally balancing frankenstien at this point

different nerfs and buffs stitched together to make a sin against nature itself

its more balance change than creature now

[ivory sandal]

Watch rex be balanced like carno where its ass at like 7 important things but God at like 700 random or important things

[limber hull]

Night of the Living Balance Changes

(Rise of the Carnotaurus)

[ivory sandal]

(Death of the Tenontosaurus)

[limber hull]

It's literally the worst balanced animal in the game

Other animals get simple stuff, like damage or stam nerfs

Not carno though, he gets the random balance change wheel spun every update

Like why did they make it bleed ever so specifically faster while walking, trotting and standing like what

[ivory sandal]

Mr bee you gotta make a bingo card of carno balance changes

[limber hull]

Nerf carno's charge damage? No it just SHREDS your already low stam bar

[ivory sandal]

Carno at this point should just get its right click turned into a suicide bomb that covers its body but kills itself and like literally anything else within the radius because that's basically charge

[limber hull]

it literally can be compared to TF2 Zombie Infection zombie demoman

Charge into enemies before violently exploding, dealing a ton of damage but dying in the process

it is literally a suicide bomber that's not even a joke

that's how fargone this goddamn animal is

this is the Ulapool Caber of dinosaurs

[ivory sandal]

The what

[limber hull]

TF2 weapon

[ivory sandal]

Ah

[limber hull]

it's a melee weapon that does a ton of damage but you can only use it once and it explodes when you use it

its not very good but it IS funny

[ivory sandal]

Makes sense

[limber hull]

it also gets randomly nerfed a lot

[ivory sandal]

Well it sounds like a one shot took so

Makes sense?

[limber hull]

yea the point is carno is not designed like an animal anymore

it doesn't even feel like an animal with how goddamn clunky its controls are

[ivory sandal]

Imo not many things if anything at all in TI feels like an animal anyway

But carno especially is unfun to fight and unfun to play

[jovial hazel]

It's about to get really fun to play. Terminator dino coming back, except now it's not just the sub carnos.

[void crow]

@marble egret The reason stegos don't get killed in 2 bites is because, imagine growing a creature for 4 hours, going to the water, and then just suddenly dying. If you think about it, stegos should kill crocs faster as well because of how big their tail spikes are.

I'm remember somebody saying a while back that developers specifically didn't want to make creatures one shot eachother. If you're a theri and you grew for hours, then another theri walks up and pokes your head, would you want to die? I think the same is true of humans and their guns. (Although I still don't really like humans in this game) So when they shoot a rex the rex won't just die, it'll have time to escape or fight back. It may be more realistic for the creatures to die, but spending hours of your day just to instantly die isn't very fun. (Same thing happens with croc, but you don't get one shot. Just don't fight stegos. 🤷‍♂️ I've done it, too, died pretty quick. 😅

@ionic smelt Are you saying deino's regular bite costs stamina, or that you want it to be that way? It's alt attack may take stamina, and for whatever reason they made that the default, but you can switch it off in the gameplay settings.

[ionic smelt]

Yes thats a good tip

[void crow]

@barren zephyr If they rush it, then the map is just going to be like Spiro again.

[barren zephyr]

bro they been working on it for over a year at least like holy crap thats way to long

[tribal saffron]

They are spending good time on it bro, which is better than getting a crapy map

[tender helm]

I kind of want humans in the game would be cool to see humans hunting down dinosaurs even for pets and when they are pets they are players as human pets sounds wierd but then Dino’s and humans can hunt Dino’s together. Would be cool to see traps too for the humans to catch dinosaurs I definitely don’t want to be one shot by a human gun but again Dino’s should take a little more hits

[tribal saffron]

Ark survival evolved is the game for you to play

[tender helm]

It’s like a chef in the kitchen you can not rush perfection

[void crow]

I will ride my humans around as a para and help them catch stegos, then I will kick them if they don't feed me.

[tender helm]

Exactly laugh out loud

[urban flax]

I would hate it if Gen 2 could tame dinos
And I would hate it even more if taming dinos as a gen 1 implied having another player RPing as a slave
Or even worse, being tamed by a payer and forced to slave RP

[tribal saffron]

I don't think humans and dinos should intertwine, maybe humans can offer food but that's about it otherwise it's the same as mix packing and people will be complaining

[tender helm]

You don’t have to cooperate with the humans laugh out loud I guess it would be more like a group/party

[tribal saffron]

This exactly

[urban flax]

No encouraged mixpacking either pls

[tender helm]

Depends on server some allow mixpacking some don’t either way it’s going to happen just like egg protection you can set the rule Will it be honored not all the time though

[tribal saffron]

I can tell you rn humans will have scout pts for drops and other things along with finding groups to gun down

[tender helm]

Yes but pts and beipis need to know how to play

[void crow]

I can't think of a way for humans to be in the game that aren't boring or OP, and nobody wants to be put in a pen.

[tribal saffron]

Lmao they don't, just fly

[urban flax]

I'm talking about official servers and in-game mechanics here
There shouldn't be an ability for humans to group up with dinos

[urban flax]

You're not thinking hard enough

[tribal saffron]

They don't need to know jack to be able to scout they just fly above the area spot the dino and jot down rough cords

That's it, then humans track the dinos and kill them

[tender helm]

Pts should circle and 3 call
Biepis should do the same and 3 call how many Dino’s are there I mean that’s what I do when I play those dinos

[tribal saffron]

Okay but that doesn't matter, they can still scout for loot

[tender helm]

I think humans will be a great addition to the game

[tribal saffron]

Giving humans an unfair advantage if they mix pack with pts or omnis even

Dumb af

[tender helm]

It’s going to happen regardless of what everyone thinks

[urban flax]

Not a reason to encourage it

[tribal saffron]

The only time I approve humans should have an anxiety function when around dinosaurs

[urban flax]

what ? What for ?

[tribal saffron]

To prevent human dino mix packing

[urban flax]

that's useless

[tribal saffron]

I'm talking extended period of time

[tender helm]

The adrenaline effect

[urban flax]

still useless

[tender helm]

Can’t aim while Dino is prescense

[urban flax]

and now that's stupid

[tribal saffron]

Absolutely not

I'm talking just a screen overlay that's annoying

[tender helm]

Would you be able to aim your firearm well if a raptor was working with you?

Or next to you?

I’d be shitting my pants

[tribal saffron]

So cops can't aim their guns cause they got a k9 unit?

:I

[urban flax]

I'm not able to aim firearms
But I'm pretty sure the genetically engineered super-soldiers we're getting as humans will be able to do it just fine

[tender helm]

BROden a k9 is different then a dinosaur laugh out loud

[urban flax]

Also I understand many people are worried guns will be OP
But being unable to fire a gun when there's a dino nearby makes them beyond useless

[tribal saffron]

Agreed

[void crow]

xD

[urban flax]

"Oh no I'm being attacked by a raptor I need to defend myself !"
"Oh welp I can't because I'm a dumb idiot who cannot pull a trigger as soon as adrenaline kicks in"

[tribal saffron]

Humans will become food fodder if they can't use their only weapon

Then no one will play them

[urban flax]

I don't mind humans being weak, or easy to kill, or extremely hard to survive as
But it should still feel like a game, and not playing as walking food

[tribal saffron]

I'm not totally against mix packing but if humans do it.. they will definitely get through the ranks faster especially if getting new things is like air drops or crates

Just have a pt scout and it's a smooth ride to the top

[urban flax]

Dino/human mixpacking, like any form of mixpacking, can't really be prevented
But again, it shouldn't be encouraged either
And I advise we wait and see how it plays out before conjecturing on how to fix it

[tribal saffron]

True true, I just hope we don't have human murder parties

[urban flax]

We will have them
What's important is that they must be able to be dealt with

And I honestly don't think any group but one of very skilled human players will be able to survive an attack from a pack of omnis out in the open

Or in the forest

Or anywhere but inside a human base

[tribal saffron]

Honestly with humans coming it makes me feel like this is closer to primal carnage freeroam or ark lol

Minus dino taming, that's dumb af

[urban flax]

Well this game was originally be supposed to be Primal Carnage survival mode

[tribal saffron]

Actually?

[urban flax]

Dino taming can be done, but definitely not the way Ark does it

[tribal saffron]

I'd say it needs to be limited to very small dinos

[urban flax]

I disagree
But the bigger the dino, the bigger the investment

[tribal saffron]

You're losing me rn lol, I don't think having dinos and humans together will be balanced

[urban flax]

Option 1
#general-feedback message

Option 2
#general-feedback message

I'm still thinking of other possible options

[urban flax]

Tribals exclusively, and it won't be player dinos

[tribal saffron]

First one is better second one is ark

[urban flax]

How is it Ark ?

[tribal saffron]

Using a toxin to knock out a dino and then taming it

[urban flax]

I actually like the second one better because it poses less mechanical problems

[urban flax]

It's not knocking it out
It's literally killing it

In ark you punch them until they collapse then shove food up their ass so they like you

[tribal saffron]

Idk taming just isn't my cup of tea, I'd be fine if humans could tame different ai like feral dogs or other things

I'm sure they had k9 units in the facilities so I wouldn't be surprised if there was a new feral dog ai

[urban flax]

-It justifies tamed dinos not being able to grow, not needing food or water but also being weaker than actual live dinos
-It makes it so it makes sense for the tribal to fully control them
-When a tribal disconnects its tamed zombie dinos can simply sleep next to it and disappear as well
-Zombie dinos can also be nerfed by not reacting to damage unless their owner commands them to, and are easier to program by having no idle AI

[tribal saffron]

It just seems like too much, I'm sorry. Having a group of humans with an ai rex tame is gonna suck trying to go against. It doesn't seem fair and I think it would be better if they had dirt bikes or atvs and smaller more rational tames

Dogs, deer, goats, etc

[urban flax]

That's why I mentioned taming being specifically for tribals
Who won't have ATVs or any vehicles

[tribal saffron]

Then give them horses

[urban flax]

too small (and don't really fit)
Tribals are giants

[tribal saffron]

? I don't really know about the human classes and I thought they were using very early concepts to develop them now

[urban flax]

This is a Gen 1 (tribal) compared to a regular human
The size chart is unofficial but the measurements are based on what Dondi said about them

Also these are the most recent official images of Gen 1s we got

Which auto-spoilered themselves because... they can, I guess

[tribal saffron]

Cannibal?

[icy lion]

Gen1=tribal=cannibal

[urban flax]

Cannibal isn't the official name of anything

[icy lion]

Generation 1 is the official name

[tribal saffron]

Oh lmao

[urban flax]

Yeah, like the cat said

[latent olive]

so hyped to see gen 1s in action

And judging by their appearance, they won’t need “tames”

They look and sound far more like a jack of all trades now

[tribal saffron]

Weren't cannibals like super predator humans that could jumb from tree to tree and could tank raptors?

[urban flax]

If gen 2 can have jeeps and helis, tribals should absolutely have dino mounts

Just so they can raid the bases

[latent olive]

Might be thinking of the eyeless

[tender helm]

i also heard a rumor that the longer you live on a FG the more damage it will take

[urban flax]

It's exactly as you heard
A rumor

[tribal saffron]

There are too many concepts in this game for random stuff. I don't know what the eyeless are

[latent olive]

okay hear me out

badly mutated gen 2s that are shaped into forms used for different purposes

[urban flax]

Evolved Gen 1

[urban flax]

gen 2s ?

[latent olive]

think generic horror movie creature with no eyes and pale skin

[latent olive]

sorry gen 1s

[tribal saffron]

So... the cannibal

Why is everything called the cannibal

[latent olive]

tribals/cannibals are a stepdown from the eyeless

[urban flax]

hmmmm...
Not as cool as riding a carno into battle, but still cool

[urban flax]

Because they're cannibals

[tribal saffron]

Okay dumb af and confusing is the name of this game

[latent olive]

maybe, but I was thinking bodyhorror type stuff, where a gen 1 uses a horribly mutated version of another gen 1 which turned quadrupedal and became incredibly disfigured so it could be used as a pseudo-horse

[urban flax]

I mean, that's just how the community calls them

[tribal saffron]

Also those tribal don't need mounts lmao they look like they can take on dinos

[urban flax]

They also call hypers hypos

[urban flax]

Now that's f*ed up

[tribal saffron]

Which is dumb because those words mean two different things

[latent olive]

Think mutants from like, darktide, or the special infected in left 4 dead I guess

hell, put enough thought into it and you could even think about the After Man series

[urban flax]

That's not on the same level
I could see giant, or juggernaut-type mutated gen 1, but not ones used as mounts by others
Also that'd be weird gameplay-wise

[latent olive]

Not playable, of course

[tribal saffron]

Bruh give the tribal a spear and I think that's all it needs to be terrifying

[latent olive]

More like AI that you can get as a reward for sacrificing stuff

[latent olive]

alternatively, rips a small tree out of the ground

[urban flax]

I dont want AI from sacrifices
I want a cool new arm with claws
I want AI from the dinos I can submit

[tribal saffron]

Yeah if it can do that it doesn't need tames or a mount, it just needs numbers

[latent olive]

I want the ability to communicate with omniraptors so I can tell which ones are docktahs in disguise

into the loving embrace of the replicator you go

[urban flax]

I'm writing a utah/replicator romance fanfic rn

[tribal saffron]

Mimicry, spears and sacrifices that give buffs... terrifying

[latent olive]

[urban flax]

You wanted to read it ?

[latent olive]

put it in #isle-discussion

[urban flax]

alr

[latent olive]

[steep zealot]

türk varmı ?

[icy lion]

@random ore IDK how to tell you this, but the map's getting entirely replaced

[shy wigeon]

@low vapor ty, how do u feel it would encourage discord more? people already will type away like crazy (this is more of a herbi thing or carnivores after they've secured a kill. Ive honestly been tempted to begin using discord myself but I dislike doing that, I enjoy playing a game as intended and designed. Since I dont enjoy the current mode of communication (having to stop looking around and moving to type [although someone said it can be used as an auto walk]) ive begun playing solo and frankly have had more success solo than with a pack of any kind.

[lucid lynx]

Yall didnt like the beipi having some playables on its diet, what about if beipi could just eat organs?

It would be helpful for freshies cause i feel like i can never find s

[tribal saffron]

Then it would become a scavenger and take up the same niche for juvi crocs and fairly daring ceratos of any age

Solution is to offer more foraging spots or ai in the water if you can't find food.. or... befriend crocs and create a symbiotic relationship

Otherwise bepi is just an underwater theri and that's kinda it, you brawl with crocs if your skilled or taunt land players

Tbh the game doesn't have much if you don't want to PvP, just growing and rp or nesting if you don't get nest sniped.

I would say exploration but food drain is so high you can't really do that

[lucid lynx]

I like killing babies

Dont take that out of context

Even if it could just eat troodons lmao

Or hypsi

[tribal saffron]

Bruh bepi eats crab and fish get over it. Play the new raptor when it comes out if you want to be a murder hobo

Bepi is a small omnivore and shouldn't be eating anything other than what it has currently. The only thing bepi needs is for the adult to have as much buoyancy as the babies so they continue to be fun while as an adult

Dolphin dives and all

[proud coral]

I mean I support the idea of pretty much any omnivore (especially Galli) being able to eat any animal small enough to swallow. For Beip, I guess that'd really just be hatchlings since it's already kinda small.

Opportunistic behavior n' all that

[tribal saffron]

Nah the most I could see is hatchling dienos

I'd say bepi is very comparible to diving birds or ducks in diet

[random ore]

i know, but just let me have my patchy rock before its gone FOREVER

[pliant wadi]

Dont like most people have clipping? I assumed that you have to prove they are hacking but the ID would help identify them. I think the ID with proof is needed for hackers but didnt realise not many people have clipping features? Also you should always ban cheaters idk why they need notifications for cheaters when they shouldnt be present

[polar inlet]

Do we have a release date for the new patch 7.0? It took so long

[icy lion]

Check rule 10 #rules-and-info

[polar inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/boredom-ennui-michael-scott-the-office-cause-toujours-gif-20731685

[lucid lynx]

No need to be an ass jeez

[lucid lynx]

Yea i saw someone suggest something along the lines of having certain dinos only being on your diet at a certain stage in growth. So if beipi would eat hatchlings and freshies but nothing bigger.

[proud coral]

[lucid lynx]

Lol let me eat birds its fun catching them out of the air

Birds and troodons would make sense imo

I want to be evil duckie

[indigo gulch]

no, not most people have clipping. Also you misunderstood what I meant with that. What I meant is that the ID thing doesn't do anything if the hackers aren't on to banned and be watched to see if they are actually hacking. So when and how do the admins know they are on then?

[tribal saffron]

It takes away from the deino niche and bepi doesn't need to be changed

I'm aggressive in behavior sorry if I offended you but fr bepi is fine as it is

[pliant wadi]

You spoke about why i missed ur point in your own point. This game is made on unreal engine which = beefy game so kinda safe to assume most people have clipping (so i thought) but then they just need to implement a replay system so they can prove they are hackers for the people who dont have clipping. Then ban them straight up doesnt matter whether they are online or not?

[indigo gulch]

I'm lost, why does a beefy game means people have clipping? I don't see the correlation.

yeah I know they are working on a replay system, maybe that would work

[icy lion]

Replays are in but aren't required to catch hackers

The best thing to do is ping the official server admin role, share the server you're on, the species of the hacker, the type of hack you believe they're using, and optionally your in-game name

More info is pinned in the server channels ( #evrima-na #evrima-eu #evrima-au #evrima-sa), which are where admin pings should occur

Replays are also disabled on officials, but available for unofficials to enable

[pliant wadi]

Honestly only just realised clipping is from your software installed (not from the quality of ur pc) which a lot of people dont have so nvm. Dont see why replay system with the player ID would go wrong then.

[pliant wadi]

They should add that with a player ID to every player so you can confirm bans on hackers.

[icy lion]

What do you mean?

And I can't recall if the current replays share SteamIDs or just names, if that's what you're referring to

[pliant wadi]

A player ID in game, nothing related to their steam profiles/ingame names etc. just a unique ID to every player like you’ve been killed by player ID: 727466180

No no, this is an idea i believe doesnt exist in game ?

[icy lion]

I don't see how that would help. It's just yet another step between encountering a hacker and discovering their identity

If each person is assigned an ID by the game that never changes it's exactly like a SteamID with a barrier to finding it

[pliant wadi]

That is the point tho no, just find them and ban them, isnt that all that can be done now

[icy lion]

That can already be done given the current tools

[pliant wadi]

So hackers have a high ban rate? Theres just that many new ones?

[icy lion]

That's why we tell people to share their own in-game names, so we can find the hackers in the logs

[icy lion]

Steam only allows for account bans, not hardware or IP

So a lot of the time, the same person can come back on a different account since Steam prevents us from using the big guns

At that point it's a matter of improving any means of automatic detection

[pliant wadi]

wowee thats cringe, but I see i see

[void crow]

@daring talon Embargo?

[daring talon]

no more embargo on gateway

[void crow]

Yeah just found out. 😁

[daring talon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-happy-happiness-i-cannot-describe-how-happy-i-am-right-now-i-am-happy-gif-25943215

[agile roost]

@hoary elm They will when it's out

[lucid robin]

what does tribal look like again

[limber hull]

this

the spoilered ones are official images. Size comparison is fanmade

[lucid robin]

oh sh

i thought theyd be like- native americans-

ooga booga with spears n stuff lmao

[limber hull]

lots of people thought that. They are not

[limber hull]

This helps explain it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEFXKJPx35Q

[lucid robin]

@ionic smelt #general-feedback message deino's normal bite does not take stamina in or out of water (afaik). what's happening to you is probably that "manual alt bite" is getting auto-disabled, and you're alt biting without realizing it. it's in the settings in the ESC menu.

[marble egret]

what i'm saying is, stegos shouldn't be stronger than a deino

i shouldn't spend 6 hours growing a croc to get teamed by stegos protecting other species or them just simply trapping me or not letting me eat

they need to be better balanced. Their health is WAY too strong

[limber hull]

deino has more health

2000 more health, to be precise

the most health in the game by a country mile

[marble egret]

then the hitbox needs to be smaller for their tail

[limber hull]

deino also absolutely SHOULD be killed by stegos, it's designed as a small game hunter that's not at all proficient on land, and the only animal that remotely presents even a minor threat to it is stego

[void crow]

Deinos are supposed to be in the water. They're stronger in the water, and stegos are stronger on land. If you go on land they have the advantage.

Also if you flip the table, then stego players spend 6 hours growing, then dies to two deinos.

[marble egret]

SOMETHING needs to change because it's so wildly unbalanced it's CRAZY

[void crow]

That won't stop them from hitting you though.

[marble egret]

the fact that elder stegos are just basically untouchable

[marble egret]

never ever seen a deino take down a stego

[void crow]

Rexes can kill them when they release.

[limber hull]

it is well-balanced, deino has NO other counters besides stego, due to its high bleed resist, inability to vomit, ability to retreat to water and 8000HP

omnis, ceras, troodons, tenos, deinos and other stegos can all kill stegos

[void crow]

I have. Multiple times, but only when the stegos are near water, as it should be. (Mostly to fight the crocs but then get killed in the process)

[marble egret]

never been successful myself

i can get one or two good head bites in then it has turned around, whacked me twice and run away

also stegos just bully crocs all the time, it is ridiculous

[void crow]

Same tbh.

[limber hull]

you can literally just ignore them

[marble egret]

they dont ever seem to want to leave me alone

[limber hull]

dive underwater and they can't see you

[marble egret]

and mixpacking with stegos is a huge issue

if a smaller animal comes to drink, stegos stand in the way

[limber hull]

stego honestly make mixpacks worse in my experience. Too slow to keep up with their mixed-species friends, too clumsy to not accidentally kill their own friends they wanted to protect

[void crow]

Well one time at NW there were like 6 or 8 stegos camping the water so nobody could leave, but with Gateway's rivers that should change.

[marble egret]

🤷 doesn't seem to stop em, i see it way too often

[void crow]

Stegos and deinos also mix-pack. It's sad, I've seen it.

[marble egret]

yes. And when will we get gateway?

[void crow]

Before the end of next month probably.

[marble egret]

saw this once, couldn't think of anything worse

[limber hull]

yea but those really aren't that concerning to anyone but deinos tbh

they're both super easy to avoid as anything remotely swift

[void crow]

True, but the only problem is when they're camping bodies.

[marble egret]

they do that too

stego players are just absolute arseholes because they know how tanky they are

[limber hull]

eh, i never have a problem with bodycamping

[marble egret]

then you're incredibly lucky

[limber hull]

stegos i find to be one of the game's least problematic animals

[marble egret]

are you sure you're playing the isle?

[limber hull]

carno, cera, omni and deino all take that place above it. Stego's just a big walking wall. You see it, you avoid it

[limber hull]

yea, stegos are rare at best due to how they're just worse options than deino, and they generally don't do much beyond wander and be majestic

i have respect for someone who can cope with the exceptional boredom of playing one to adult because i absolutely cannot

[marble egret]

maybe I am just an incredibly unlucky individual, but I have nothing BUT problems with stegos, they attack me for no reason on sight ALL the time.

[fallen river]

That’s your fault lol

How you let a Stego attack you

[limber hull]

honestly it does come down to experience. they're very avoidable if you know what you're doing

they go after easy targets because most of the time they're BORED

[marble egret]

I've had em attack me whilst im growing in a bush, i've had em camp a waterfall as a deino so i couldn't pass, they also protected every single other player that went to drink there, so i just starved

[void crow]

Yeah that's stegos for you.

[fallen river]

You can get around Stegos guarding people

[marble egret]

i've had em mixpacking with multiple other species and just bully me, i turn one way, theres a carno, another, 3 omnis, the other way, the stego

[limber hull]

they have some of the most predictable attacks in the game, they're slow as sin, they have the weakest head hitbox in the game, they can't swim to save their life, they are the kings of friendly fire

[marble egret]

and it's not a single occasion

[barren zephyr]

@shy wigeon really dislike that idea, as it can mess with safe logged players

[marble egret]

dude there were like 4 or 5 stegos 😭

[fallen river]

Well the Dino itself is balanced

[void crow]

That's probably one of the reasons people don't like stegos. All the griefers play them to make everyone else's day worse.

[marble egret]

the deinos fine

[fallen river]

In fact it’s quiet weak

[marble egret]

the stego tanks too many head bites from deinos

[limber hull]

true, but not for the current ecosystem

[limber hull]

it only takes 6

[marble egret]

that's impossible to get

[void crow]

I don't think it would count for people logged out.

[barren zephyr]

Precisely 6

[marble egret]

you can get maybe 2 in and it's gone

[barren zephyr]

Then what happens when they log back in?

[marble egret]

or just tail facing the water and tail bites do buggerall

[void crow]

They would continue playing as normal. It would only count if they are trying to spawn again.

[barren zephyr]

And what about group play? That would really limit friends sometimes

Unless the animal limit was like 20

[void crow]

Depends on what you play. It'd be hard to keep 4 rexes alive.

[marble egret]

thats pretty much it

[limber hull]

deino is FAR stronger than stego for a PLETHORA of reasons

Deino:

• Highest HP and bloodpool of any animal in the game
• One of the highest bleed resistances of any animal in the game
• Highest biteforce of any animal in the game, as well as second strongest attack damage (with bite)
• Lunge can do up to an effective 4000 damage, far stronger than literally any attack in the entire game (stego does 1250 with tailswing)
• Highest swimspeed of any animal in the game
• The only animal with water sense
• Cannibalism, a diverse diet, the plethora of fish, the immunity to rot and the ability to gain diets from bones makes diet really easy
• Inability to vomit means it cannot be weakened by ceratosaurus
• Highest oxygen meter in the entire game
• Best ambusher in the entire game

Stego:

• High damage on tailswing
• Head hitbox takes more damage than any other creature
• No other benefits

[barren zephyr]

4000 damage with lunge??? Nah

[marble egret]

absolutely not

otherwise 2 lunges would kill a stego and I can tell you for a fact that is not the case

[limber hull]

yea. It can grab ANYTHING that's 4k health or less, meaning it can deal 4k damage by grabbing and drowining

the only reason steg survives is because it's above 4 tons

[marble egret]

we just need a strong land carnivore to balance things out

[limber hull]

it's an (effective) 4k damage for a reason. It relies on certain pre-requisites

[limber hull]

we really don't, no. That only makes a worse problem

[marble egret]

i think the problem is that the apex in the game is a herbivore that just kills because it can

[limber hull]

deino is already stronger and more popular than stego, now stego has a big predator and deino doesn't

[limber hull]

the apex of the game is deinosuchus, stegosaurus only exists to moderate the deinos that mess up

[marble egret]

i've seen WAY more stegos kill deinos than the other way round

you can look at the numbers all you want, when it comes to 1 on 1 stego v deino, stego will most likely win

soon as its tail is facing you, it's over

[limber hull]

i've seen way more ceras kill stegos and omnis kill stegos and troodons kill stegos and tenos kill stegos than i've ever seen those animals kill deinos

a single matchup is not definitive of the entire balance of a diverse ecosystem

[barren zephyr]

Oh. Well, you cant compare it to a stego like that. You forgot to mention stego was 8km faster than dieno on land, like twice the stam maybe more of a dieno and doesnt cost as much stam to swing, attack speed is roughly the same, and only takes 4.1 hits to kill a dieno...so yeah. You compared it poorly

[marble egret]

but the deino SHOULD be able to deal with stegos, at LEAST stegos shouldnt just be able to bully the 'apex' just because they feel like it

[void crow]

That's kind of the point. Stego is in water? Deino wins. Deino is SUPPOSED to be in water. Stego is on land? Stego wins. Stego is SUPPOSED to be on land.

Also it's a 6 ton creature with a giant tail with 3 foot spikes.

[void crow]

Stegos are also apexes though.

[limber hull]

they should, otherwise deino has nothing holding it back

[barren zephyr]

Overall, I do agree though that dieno is better than stego

[marble egret]

stego is on the side of the water? deino should have a good chance

it just doesn't

[limber hull]

deino has extremely positive matchups with EVERY animal besides stego

[limber hull]

but the deino can select to simply NOT engage

[marble egret]

But why? it's a good bloody meal for a deino

[barren zephyr]

It can. Body block the head and start alt spamming. Get the ambush for better results tho, and stay ontop of its head.

[marble egret]

it's simply not possible

[marble egret]

stegos turn radius is too fast

[limber hull]

true!

[marble egret]

but hugry 😦

genuinely, the main issue is

[limber hull]

stego is not in a place where it needs nerf. it is literally already at major risk of getting slaughtered by rex because of how its stats are genuinely very underpowered

[marble egret]

the stego choses to engage the deino

or prevent the deino from being able to eat

[limber hull]

the stego cannot dive, so no it cannot

[void crow]

I've seen a good amount of stegos die to deinos, and I've seen a good amount of stegos win against crocs.

[limber hull]

the stego physically cannot choose to engage because it cannot dive

the deino can remain underwater and the stego can never, ever reach it

[north quiver]

ah yes. the stego clearly dominates the deep water and can bully a deino off of a corpse in water

[void crow]

Not one deino can kill a stego, but two or more can if you play your cards.

[void crow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/905742718045655042/912763940663099432/unknown.gif

[marble egret]

-deino goes to a popular area on a riverside to eat because lots of dinos are there generally
-stego or multiple stegos sit there guarding the river banks like every other dinosaurs guardian angels for no other reason than to be annoying
-deino cannot eat

this is the problem

[limber hull]

its really not that much of a problem though

you can ignore the stego and go elsewhere

[marble egret]

like I said, i think you've been really lucky in this regard, or rather i've been really unlucky

[barren zephyr]

Right. But problems I have are when we finally kill a stego, another comes and body blocks so we're too low on health to fight back, but we cant heal either cause its friend is blocking both banks. I think this is the only thing that needs to be fixed, but I dont think it does honestly

[marble egret]

because I just cannot escape them

[marble egret]

yep

[north quiver]

my guy, just swim farther downstream

if the stego wastes its stam chasing after you, that’s on the stego

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, and unless you're low food

[north quiver]

you can literally eat schooling fish and get so much food from it

[barren zephyr]

3% food per fish, yay

[north quiver]

it was way more than that last I checked. seems to be at the very least more than 9%

(if that was changed, tell me)

the plentiful elite fish is also an option

[barren zephyr]

No way. Unless nit all fish give the same amount

[north quiver]

7.6% for a single schooling fish. I had to hop onto scope and set my hunger to 0% to see what it was

EDIT: It actually seems to vary. 6%-10% ish

deino never has to worry about starvation

[north quiver]

keep in mind, this was an adult deino

[void crow]

[full pewter]

What’s the consensus on gateway and the other new stuf?? Amazing or nah??

[marble egret]

speaking of, @limber hull @void crow bunch of stegos guarding 2 deino bodies and just went straight for me

literally been on 2 mins

this is why its such a big problem for me

[limber hull]

Gateway is great ofc

I am a HUGE fan of the changes to health and stam, personally. The inability to read exact health numbers and the need to actually moderate stam better makes for a superior survival experience

Migrations help encourage movement and interaction, both of which the game needs

[void crow]

xD

I have seen a stego die in that EXACT spot though, because a bunch of crocs decided to get rid of it. Just have to swarm it so it can't run.

And I know they do that, but if you're not starving you can usually find other food.

[full pewter]

Oh? No more health bar? Personally feel it’s unecessary but I get that it makes for a more tense experience

[marble egret]

its just chasing me

[full pewter]

Stay underwater and just leave?

[limber hull]

It was very necessary imho. Always hated metagaming that stuff

[marble egret]

i want those croc bods, no reason for them to guard em other than to be arses

[north quiver]

just submerge and go farther downstream

[marble egret]

no but this is what i am saying. this should not be an issue

[north quiver]

[full pewter]

Stegos body guard all the time, if you stay there you’re only entertaining them, giving them what they want, deny them that

[marble egret]

they just shouldn't though really 😭

i don't know how this isn't seen as an issue

[full pewter]

People in this game play dirty all the time, don’t expect them to play fair unless you’re on a rules server, but if you understand that you can use it to your advantage

Also like I said, just leave and wait for the stegos to leave, bore them out and eventually you’ll get your food

[marble egret]

im not expecting anyone to play fair, but they shouldn't have the ability to do this, the whole point was that stegos are unbalanced when it comes to deinos

[barren crater]

It's far on land tbf?

[north quiver]

so deino should just have everything handed to it on a silver platter without any competition. got it

[void crow]

It is an issue, but people will be people and there's not much you can do. In Gateway there are SOME big rivers, and I mean really big, so they can't keep crossing like that.

[marble egret]

nope, but it should at least be a tad easier to kill stegos

they're way too tanky with head bites

[north quiver]

6 bites

[full pewter]

You just have to play more carefully and cooperatively around stegos

[void crow]

...The point is for stegos to be unbalanced when it comes to deinos...?

[limber hull]

it is literally 6 bites lol

its like if you got killed by trike as deino and then wanted them to be easier

[north quiver]

even less if you have a buddy snapping down on the body

[void crow]

Baby troodon attacks full grown rex and dies "Nerf rex!" 🤣

[barren crater]

No need to clown on them

[full pewter]

Guys chill:/

[void crow]

@marble egret I get what you mean though, and stegos shouldn't be bullying crocs, but it's easy to get away from them.

[marble egret]

you cannot stand there and say 6 bites to the head from a deino is balanced 😭

[barren crater]

I get it

But also, you nuke things under 4t with 1 move

It's not meant to punchup

Or be good same lane

[void crow]

But the same is true of stego. Would you want to get one shot by a deino as a stego, that took the same amount of time to grow as a croc?

[barren crater]

i could see it get buffed in the future though

[void crow]

Deino is gonna get stomped on by cheirus and spinos.

[barren crater]

It would be funny, but that's also kind of lame :(

[north quiver]

good

[barren crater]

I'm not expecting it to kill them, but it should be able to hold its ground

[full pewter]

I’m hearing there’s issues with Omni and troodon in the stress test, what’s the issue

[barren crater]

regens

[void crow]

Probably the pouncing.

[barren crater]

So can't regen stam while trotting

[void crow]

[barren crater]

Also stam regen is worse

[void crow]

Oh, that's odd.

[limber hull]

universal change

[void crow]

I thought that was intended?

[barren crater]

it is

[limber hull]

does carno's charge still melt stam with the new cooldown change? i really don't know what's been done to carno

[barren crater]

It does

No activation cost

[full pewter]

What’s wrong with the pounces

[limber hull]

does it do nuke damage

[barren crater]

No clue.

[barren crater]

Its apparently the same

[limber hull]

god i hope they decreased it, even if by a little. I'm glad carno got the accel buff but like

[barren crater]

so you can still be hit

[full pewter]

Still hit box issues?

[barren crater]

ye

[full pewter]

Bleh:/

[barren crater]

From what I've heard from cc's

[north quiver]

I saw in a stream someone playing carno slid around and instantly activated a ram as a baby. does it not have a certain amount of runtime before ram can be activated anymore?

[barren crater]

Its instant

Like 1 - 2 steps instant

[limber hull]

it now has a 20 sec cooldown tho

[north quiver]

poor teno if it can’t cancel rams still there will be no dodging

[barren crater]

I wonder if knockdowns were changed as well

[limber hull]

i mean, someone has to figure it out

[void crow]

That actually might be better balanced. So you can't just spam charge. (I mean, you can, but not as quick.)

[barren crater]

rip ngl

[limber hull]

yea, it's def better for not getting ramspammed, but like... idk man, if the damage retains itself, uh oh

[barren crater]

Like at that point you're not really fighting the carno. I guess your goal is to run lol

[north quiver]

the cooldown is definitely a change for the better, but it only lengthens the inevitable for slower, larger targets like teno who have no way to avoid the charge

[barren crater]

All it says to me is : Don't fight the carno, run

[north quiver]

(pov: The carno is faster than you)

[limber hull]

arguably teno is somewhat better now, because the stam changes favour a standing/defending target over someone constantly sprinting

[barren crater]

stam diet moment :)

and universal stam buff :)

[limber hull]

yea is that STILL a thing

if so why

[north quiver]

god how long can cera run for now with all carb diet

[barren crater]

It is still a thing

[limber hull]

god dammit

[surreal narwhal]

@marsh juniper Oh, yes, if I could give you a lot of ticks...

[limber hull]

the new stam system literally gives you more stamina

you haven't even managed to play with it and you already want it gone lol

[barren crater]

😁

[surreal narwhal]

but in a fight, Teno will still be the winner because it's not a quick step and if you're without stamina as, like, utah, then fight is over for u . this completely destroys the combat system, now it will win who has a larger stamina or a step faster

[barren crater]

Tbf you're a pack hunter. Dismount at half stamina and go get more?

[surreal narwhal]

Yes, cause there are a thousand bugs and problems in the game that need to be fixed before making something new. if this system is introduced into the game with 283947 bugs, I don't think it will work as it should

[surreal narwhal]

Okay, since you don't understand, put Carno in Utah's place. with such wonderful stamina, which is enough for a couple of seconds with this mechanics he is a corpse

Sorry for bad eng, Google translator

[barren crater]

That's fine dw

Carno technically got a huge buff via acceleration. Also an indirect buff with how far grass and bushes render

It's a perfect ambusher

[shy wigeon]

@barren zephyr ah your totally right

[barren zephyr]

Ngl I had the same suggestion a year ago lol

[surreal narwhal]

yes, but in fact it still won't be enough for a long fight, which usually occurs in the case of a good player vs a good player. here's another thing was the 5.5 update, where the skill mattered. but now no, now it's enough to leave your opponent without stamina (which has just become easier to do now, because he won't lie down in the middle of the fight) and that's it, you've won.

[barren crater]

You'll be able to attack when out of stamina tbf. I'd argue more, but I haven't played it :(

[limber hull]

skill matters even more now, because you have limited stam

[barren crater]

But I understand your fears dw

[limber hull]

every move matters

if anything, they've made an extremely skill-oriented combat

the skill ceiling is the highest it's ever been

[narrow nova]

Why you say that？dinosaur can run longer time now？

[limber hull]

yes

every single dinosaur has a longer runtime than prior updates

[narrow nova]

Oh that sounds good

But skills still cost same percentage stm...

[surreal narwhal]

I'm almost completely sure that it will be terrible, but well, it will be more visible when the update comes out^^

[icy lion]

And it's planned for you to be able to use those attacks even when you have no stam

[limber hull]

(at the cost of reduced damage and other factors)

[narrow nova]

Stego can use their tail when have no stm Sounds horrible

[limber hull]

sounds great

stego shouldn't be worthless because of no stam

[icy lion]

Sounds like a non-issue to me, if it has no stam, it can't sprint after you

Plus we don't know how much weaker the attacks might be, or any other effects that could happen

[surreal narwhal]

Fact lol

[narrow nova]

Sounds like a challenge for programmers