general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

because current deino isn't scary, it loses that when it becomes the expectation

and also when it's a literal lizard brain

[normal lotus]

Seeing an elder deino is gonna be a scary thing.

Especially when it actually has to work to grow.

[sudden arrow]

It’s easy to kill a deino on stego tho

[limber hull]

it is if the deino is a big dumb head

which is... most of the time

if the deino doesn't want to die to you as a stego, you ain't killing it

[sudden arrow]

True but stegos also have the same advantage then

They can simply just run away from water

[limber hull]

yea, which is fine

[normal lotus]

Which is fine.

Both sides know they can kill the other

[sudden arrow]

Yup I agree

But there isn’t nearly the same amount of stegos versus deino

[rare fractal]

Unlike deino, stego can die, and isn’t good at hunting

Also people just generally like gators

It’s also got the second easiest growth in the game

It’s just a whole mess

And hopefully it’s fixed soon

[sudden arrow]

Facts and the hunger rates

[rare fractal]

And the sheer volume of ai to eat

[sudden arrow]

Can just hide afk for hours without hunger drain

[normal lotus]

In my opinion it should have quite fast hunger draining up until like 70%, then it slows down.

My reasoning? Adult deinos gotta wait a while for something to come along.

To combat this deinos just got very slow diet and hunger drain.

[sudden arrow]

True but just eat all the little ones

[normal lotus]

Eating smaller deinos is on the table but ya don't have to.

[north quiver]

#general-feedback message

[limber hull]

small = bad moment

[lapis swallow]

Bro is a rex main in legacy

[north quiver]

small bandaid on a larger problem moment

[limber hull]

i will never understand the mindset of people disliking animals on the basis of being small

the duck has literally one of the coolest movement systems in the game

[north quiver]

some people want big powerful playables to feel powerful and unbeatable with that require no skill to handle

[lapis swallow]

sounds like deino

[north quiver]

(why their population is out of control)

and people still find ways to complain about it being weak and horrible

[feral solstice]

Increase the distance that water is clear
Bring back the water ripples if you swim fast

Just with these two changes, deinos skill ceiling increases

[north quiver]

temporarily remove cannibalism from their diet, remove elite fish completely from the map, and remove deino’s ability to grab the small fish (or make it so it gives practically no food for the larger deinos). the deino mains will seethe, but it will drop their populations significantly until gateway

[lapis swallow]

me want this

[random fog]

@barren zephyr you do realize raptor has a pounce right?

[daring talon]

have deino need to compete with other deinos for food
make them non cannibalistic so that they cant eat other deinos
gg

[random fog]

So deino can no longer do nothing but sit in the water all day

[daring talon]

you picked the alligator
now play as an alligator.
that is what alligators do

[north quiver]

don’t play the gator if you don’t wish to be constrained like the gator

[random fog]

Only food source for the gator is other gators or maybe every 3 hours maybe a player might come to your drinking spot or risk going out on land and dying to a stego i haven’t played gator in 6 months and I don’t like gator and I think it’s a bad take

Fish don’t fill you up that much when you are full grown

Gotta eat like 15

[lapis swallow]

good thing that fish dont fill you up

[random fog]

Y

[lapis swallow]

because it is not supposed to have this easy of a food source

[random fog]

There’s more gators in the water than fish bubba

[random fog]

And what food are they going to be competing for 😂

A baby raptor that crossed the river 😂

[random fog]

At this point just remove deino as a playable 😂 is this a joke?

[north quiver]

-> no cannibalism = less sustainable large deino populations
-> no edible fish for larger deinos = less sustainable large deino populations
-> rare deinos = more large land critters willing to drink from ballsy spots they normally wouldn’t at because deinos are actually rarer
-> more ballsy land critters = good food source for the remaining deino population that can actually be sustained

-> less deinos = more land critters
-> more land critters = the map feels more alive c:

[random fog]

Only way I could see this working is deino takes a very long time to starve

Which would be based off real life

[north quiver]

it already does take a while to starve. once there are less people playing deino and more people get ballsy because they’re so rare, it won’t take 3 hours to see one single person to grab (unless you’re in a dead server)

[lucid mauve]

So basicly you just hate deinos ?

[random fog]

Pretty much he hates deino

Only thing deino needs is gateway and more apex’s added to the game

Like rex

[north quiver]

I want deino to come at a cost for being a “hold right click to delete someone else’s entire progress” and not be an easy one-shot playable. stronger playables need to be harder to grow, and weaker playables need to be easier to grow (and NOT be free food ofc)

[edgy summit]

@flat ruin bro youre such a W i really want to see your suggestion in game

[random fog]

What was his suggestion

[edgy summit]

When we enter a nest, before we hatch we get the usual skin selection screen, but only with the colors from our parents

[lucid mauve]

I can agree with some kind of not pure rng when u drink, but making them hell to play i disagree with

[edgy summit]

This

[flat ruin]

: D

[edgy summit]

It might make nesting more popular

But we need some perks to nesting too

[north quiver]

it’s the only way to balance out the stronger playable populations without artificially limiting how many people can play as them at once

[lucid mauve]

i personally have zero problem with them, barely see them. And larger dont mean better, i see tons of more carnos/omnis and ceras etc

Unless i go to popular places, where people who drink deservers to be grabbed

[random fog]

When a 5 hour grow time kills a 2 or 3 hour grow time WHEN that player is drinking in a bad spot there is plenty of good drinking spots to drink from even glitch ones it’s THAT PLAYERS fault for drinking at that spot now to allow the player to have a increased chance of getting away is stupid and that’s what deino did millions of years ago

[north quiver]

I hope you’re talking about officials, which gameplay should be balanced around

[flat ruin]

Wdym suggestions in game?

[random fog]

To me deino is very avoidable and it’s overall. A boring playable in my own opinion they sit and wait for something to drink or kill other gators

Where there is more aquatic playables then deino won’t be so boring

[north quiver]

“I grew a powerful, easy to grow playable. therefore, I should be able to one-shot whoever I please, and they shouldn’t have any chance of escape, because I’m powerful”

[lucid mauve]

Official yes, but im talking about the dino itself. When larger dinos comes into the game, alot can oneshot or cripple other dinos if they get the oppurtunity. I do agree with the rng drinking tho

[edgy summit]

The one with nesting and picking your own skin from your parents colours its such a good idea tbh

[lucid mauve]

But beeing small easy as hell, with huge speed/stam/agility should come for free ?

[random fog]

You act like deino is 55 mph and it runs on land stealing everyone hours WHEN people have to come to YOU they have TO COME TO YOU for you to be able to kill them can i not make it any clearer this guy drinks at centers river and gets killed 😂 and calls deinos op it’s like talking to a brick wall here

[north quiver]

2-3 hour grows. things like cera, teno, carno, and ig any future playable grabbable in that grow range. they aren’t small like dryo or hypsi

[random fog]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-26450094

[north quiver]

thanks for proving my point

[random fog]

So you should be allowed to safely drink anywhere on the map

It’s spiro that’s the problem not deino 😂

It’s one giant river all over the map you should blame spiro bro not deino

[north quiver]

I don’t think you’re understanding the point that the waters won’t be 100% safe. it’ll just cut down on the severe, mind you, severe deino overpopulation problem

[lucid mauve]

I see your point, even tho for me deinos are hell growing. Since its litterly a tunnel your swimming in , and you will meet other deinos alot. But why talk about this now? Sucho, bary , spino, cherius will all make problem for deino later

[north quiver]

I’m not. spiro is to blame so that’s why I want temporary measures to come into effect until gateway (unless gateway is very soon, then I don’t see a point in it because it’d just be wasting their time)

[north quiver]

it’s hell if you’re not in a group. groups roam around killing just to kill. you can see 6-9 players swimming around killing solos just because they can, and they’re able to sustain themselves so easily

I would know because I did that a lot

[lucid mauve]

Il agree on that totally, i feel 2 deino should be hard to maintain on food

[random fog]

If spiro was are permanent map then yes I would see where your coming from but gateway is definitely going to be coming before the end of this year which will decrease deino population because the new river is way bigger and they have like ponds and lakes around the map which will make people not wanna actually play deino because it’s not one connected river where everything is where you need it and when they add in rex everyone is going to be playing rex

[lucid mauve]

Im gonna play whatever can kill all the growing rexes : P

[random fog]

Probably triceratops I couldn’t see them adding rex without it

[north quiver]

and that would be the case if cannibalism was temporarily removed until gateway comes out. all of these deinos are unfortunately sustainable because of cannibalism and the amount of food fish give the adults (fish for very small deinos is fine imo since they can’t really kill anything)

[lucid mauve]

Yea, trike gonna prob be in. But im gonna play whatever can kill those small rexes thats trying to grow : P

[random fog]

Be a rex 😈 and kill other Rexes

[north quiver]

it’d hopefully cut down on the amount of people wanting more ai because they can’t find people (who are majority deinos) lmao

[lucid mauve]

lol yea, i love rex and trike. Even tho i dont like them adding them so early, cus it shouldt be anything in the game right now that should challange them

[north quiver]

it all goes back to this #general-feedback-discussion message

[lucid robin]

I do see your point (I'm also late lol).

anyway excuse me while I go yeet another suggestion into #general-feedback

@short reef They're avoiding using colors for the scent system so that colorblind people have the same chance as everyone else in the game, so your suggested colored footprints wouldn't work for what the devs want.

[urban flax]

Imagine having one different color for every species in-game

You'd need quadrichromatic vision to tell them apart

[lucid robin]

that too

[worn kraken]

Hi all, probably this is the wrong section but I haven’t played for a bit and I have no idea what the flashing stomach means. Can anyone help please?

[icy lion]

It means you'll vomit if you eat more

[faint folio]

The proof is in the pudding-- canni was removed from carno and suddenly there are a LOT less carnos, and the ones that still exist have generally smaller groups. Mega packs of carno are rare now

Especially since a deino adult can easily completely fill 4 other deinos and provide diet to boot

[sturdy monolith]

why are these servers so bad?

[valid brook]

what do you mean?

[sturdy monolith]

i keep dying cuz someone 3 meters away from me bites the air and that kills me

[valid brook]

there is a bit of a ping latency issue in that regard, but idk if you were around a few weeks back. it's leagues better than what it was. it will be worked on as updates continue, until eventually its all worked out and feels smooth

[sturdy monolith]

just annoying af to loose my progress to this

[raw hedge]

What servers are you trying to play on?

[sturdy monolith]

its the same for me on all EU servers

[raw hedge]

EU servers are some of the most stable from what I've heard too.
Try different servers, you may have better connections here and there

Some NA servers are worse for me than others, latency will always be an issue tho

[sturdy monolith]

idk i died a lot like this and played on all of them at some point

[raw hedge]

Is what it is. Servers are not the #1 priority rn, since the game takes precedence. But I know the team will lok at servers after they are happy with the base of the game

[midnight heath]

Beipiaosaurus & Tenontosaurus I think have some of the nicest animations in the game.

[molten hill]

hot take omnis are fine in their current state if the growing time gets reduced by 30%

[cyan flame]

More so if the growing time was increased by that amount :p

[molten hill]

cant tell if this is satire

[cyan flame]

Depends a little on how we interpret growing time reduction/increase, but suffice to say, omni is still overtuned at the very least (tap pounce, no aim required, and so on)

[flat ruin]

how big do i have to be to not be pinned by raptors?

[barren crater]

451kg

[flat ruin]

i think all that raptor needs is its pounce punishment back

[flat ruin]

ty

[strange quiver]

Ngl omni is completely fine as-is ESPECIALLY while pounce is so busted. The amount of times I've gotten bitten while already latched is unreal, not to mention how often I've tried to pounce something and instead awkwardly jitter-jump at the opponent's side with no animation, no latch, nothing. This usually bugs my pounce out so I need to bite before rmb works again-- else I die if I attempt because nothing will happen.

Until pouncing is more reliable, it's absolutely fine the way it is. I watched a group of 6 die to one carno yesterday because of the above lol

[flat ruin]

i just knock them off with trees, can take alot that way

[barren crater]

6 raptors losing to a solo carno lol

but yeah, raptor is hard capped by bugs. Keep it as is in terms of growth timer

In terms of tap pouncing, it's overtuned

[strange quiver]

6 raptors losing to a solo carno because of pounce bugs, yeah. It was sad to watch lol I was also an omni but just watched from a safe distance. The ONE time I tried to join in the carno somehow got a headbite on me while I was already clinging (not a tap pounce btw, I was trying to wait out its alt biting before disengaging) and I got dropped to 1.25% hp and barely escaped. Was wild.

[barren crater]

There's no point to bucking. Tap pouncing is more efficient than holding

[strange quiver]

I don't even mind tap pouncing until pouncing overall is fixed. There's no point holding on because every second you do, you risk getting bitten for full dmg. When that gets fixed, tap pouncing should be squashed too.

[barren crater]

That's fair. I do hope its fixed soon

[strange quiver]

As of right now, tap pouncing is pretty much the only thing omni has going for it when it pounces since even a successful and coordinated pack can get decimated by bad luck with desync. Trying to play omni like it should be (with pounce-holding and not tapping) just gets it killed every time.

Same, both omni and troodon are my favorite to play other than like... Beipi, but it really takes the wind out of my sails to be rewarded for my careful hunting with death because pouncing can bug out in three different ways atm

[barren crater]

Troodon is painful. At least Omni can tank a hit. I haven't touched it in a while because of the bug. Not really interested in only hunting juvis

I do agree with Cera being able to gain diets even when full. I want them to focus more on cleanup rather than being picky like rn

I'd clean up more bodies if it meant I could still gain my diets

[strange quiver]

Troodon is a blast purely because of how fast it takes to grow. If when you die, it's only a 30 or so minute jaunt before you're adult again and you've got a ton of speed and maneuverability.

Personally, it scratches my itch for something small and stealth-based. I almost never play in groups and instead just behave like a solo scavenger. I've stolen organs from a cera's fresh kill right until its nose before LOL

Then again I just enjoy playing small stuff. And yeah I'll never understand cera not being able to gain much of anything from rot... Even bones are kind of scuffed because as an adult cera, you get almost nothing unless it's like... Deino or steg bones

[barren crater]

I like it, but Omni just does it better for me. Solo hunting carnos and tenos via tap pouncing. While still being able to tank a hit. Troodon is great, but is held back so badly I'd rather not put time into constantly growing / dying.

[barren crater]

Yeah this. Keeping full is a detriment, since diets will deplete if you only focus on eating

[strange quiver]

There's just no point to eating rot and it'd fit more securely in the ecosystem if it were able to actually capitalize on overeating. Let it gain nutrients from rot even when full, but not gain from fresh meat while full. Discourage mass-killing for food and make people actually scavenge.

Every time I've grown a cera I wind up with my nutrients all running on fumes because of its inability to throw up, fast nutrient drain, and the fact that it's always full... Especially if you want to keep your bacteria up.

[limber hull]

agreed, the venom-based gameplay is also just really fun

[barren crater]

I love it. But man

[limber hull]

troodon is def my fave animal to play in the game

it very much lived up to the hype i had for it

now all it needs is mimicry

[barren crater]

I meme on it, but the things you can do with it solo is insane (when it works lol)

[limber hull]

and more night potential

[barren crater]

But yeah, I'm not opposed to Cerato being able to fill up on diets when over their hunger. I think that would be a great change and it makes sense for Cera. At least to me lol

[strange quiver]

Fair tbh, to each their own. I do get frustrated when I lose my troo to my opponent being able to bite me even when I've landed the hit, but on the same token I've also successfully taken down solo carnos before by just losing them in bushes before going for another pounce. It's a gamble for sure, but a fun one... So rewarding when you see your prey flop over dead.

[strange quiver]

And being able to see properly in jungles.

[barren crater]

You should be able to see through objects anyways. Venom based creatures can track well irl iirc

[limber hull]

that venom highlight should highlight dinos through walls

[barren crater]

yeah

[strange quiver]

Troodon EXCELLS in the plains atm because it's so easy to lose in the grass with the current forced anti-aliasing turning it nigh invisible with how blurry fast moving objects can get. However, its trailer showed it hunting in the jungle-- which is impossible right now with how low its camera is.

I personally feel like troo should be able to zoom out x2 what it can right now.

[barren crater]

Troodon is literally a day hunter

[strange quiver]

And yeah I agree venom should just be a wallhack so you can keep on your prey.

[barren crater]

Current nv makes it so you can see them better at night

[limber hull]

also increase troo's NV range why is it so small

[barren crater]

troodon the day, plains hunter

[strange quiver]

I despise current nv so much. Troodon's lack of skin variety for its primary markings really don't help either.

You can't camo properly being forced into being primarily dark, so the second night hits your camo green and brown skin becomes a black and white blob amidst the grey toned grass lol

[barren crater]

The nerf was unfair

It was perfect. Like dryos 😦

[barren crater]

yeah it's goofy lol

[limber hull]

"because night is brighter"

okay but why does troodon have to suffer for that lol

[limber hull]

i mean i just think camo skins are terrible

[strange quiver]

Fingers crossed for nv finalization making night look GOOD instead of greyscale fullbright filter.

[strange quiver]

Oh I mean I agree. I have a camo troo but I mostly run my "glow in the dark" dark blue + pale green skin because I love flashier colors more. It still sucks either way that the green on my body-- which blends decently enough in daylight-- becomes a glowing beacon the second nv is turned on

[limber hull]

i literally randomise skins until i find something i like

i often use reds and blacks and stand out like crazy

i'm never gonna stop tho

because i think camo skins are dumbo

i still don't even know how to make a camo skin

[barren crater]

I use it on troo only because it lets me hunt at night and hide lol

[strange quiver]

I custom make all of mine but they're all pretty bright. I just find them so much more aesthetically pleasing and prefer the challenge of standing out too tbh. It's satisfying to make a predator lose line of sight on you even though you look like this and blend in with absolutely nothing https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989709724717056003/1152136306005131295/image.png?width=648&height=636

[limber hull]

i just want NV to not be the white blinding light of Icarus acting to illuminate literally every animal in a 20 foot radius

and instead actually be subtle and scary and show colour

rather than immediately setting contrast to 100

[strange quiver]

Managing to survive as a solo omni looking like this is also pretty satisfying. I just like sticking out like a sore thumb for some player interaction tbh https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/695315866245529663/1154090144438169640/image.png

[strange quiver]

God I miss those old nv previews so much.

[limber hull]

i pick skins that look good because i play with a friend who refuses to nest with ugly dinosaurs

[strange quiver]

Those nice subtle dark ones with desaturated hues and actual color showing through. Sucks it never really made it to the live branch, iirc it was in stress test but then got thrown out for the ugly nv we have now.

I play with my partner and we try to coordinate our skin colors to have nice looking hatchlings :') It's fun to go with two wildly different skins that still compliment each other, because even though 90% of hatchlings wind up as direct clones, now and then you see the rare mix of both.

[midnight heath]

@lucid lynx Stegosaurus is a herding herbivore, hence why the group limit is 6. Deinosuchus is limited to two because it's a giant carnivore, in my opinion it shouldn't even be able to group outside of pairing because it's incredibly strong on it's own. Stegosaurus is fine at 6.

Also while Stegosaurus' swing may do more DMG than deinosuchus' bite, deinosuchus has the highest health of any creature in the game.

[arctic turret]

@plain jolt there's gonna b a bunch of plants and logs and debris underwater in gateway

from what we've seen anyway

[plain jolt]

i hope so

[urban flax]

Stegosaurus is one of the worst candidates in the roster to be a herding herbivore
And I don't think any apex, herbivore or not, should have group limits that high

[woven gull]

@barren zephyr as an omni main i say pounce is already way too viable. it needs a nerf. it makes sense that it works that way. if you were running up a hill could you also all of a sudden jump higher? or when running down a hill would you suddently barely be able to jump only hovering over the hill? at the moment the only change thats really needed is omni only being able to latch when pouncing at the side and not at head or tail. then its balanced. unless you play pachy which i dunno why they nerfed that one so much

@barren zephyr same as before. omni way too op rn. if ur using bites to fight then maybe you should try playing the species right. im not too good at omni and i can solo tenos and stegos. working on carnos

if theres something omni needs. its definetely not a buff. good omnis can win in bite fights. also if ur playing with randos thats kinda ur own fault. ur not coordinated and you dont know each other

[verbal acorn]

Im ok with Stego being a herding animal as soon as they can’t swat small pouncing dinos anywhere off their bodies by impaling, but not hurting themselves. Self harm capable tail swipes or properly limit the interaction range/area of the tail.

[woven gull]

They cant swipe u off their body

[limber hull]

why would you want that lol, they're already bad enough in herds

[woven gull]

they dont

[verbal acorn]

Stego wipes troodons off their flanks like swatting flies

[limber hull]

that's not what's supposed to happen

[woven gull]

thats desync. best is to pounce the second their tail is midway through a swipe. bait it from behind or infront. its the same with teno claws. a teno is a thousand times more difficult if it uses alt attack strat. with no stam it cna keep going, hitting you both on mount and dismount

[verbal acorn]

Every time I’ve lost a troodon to a Stego, it impaled me while I was latched on its flanks.

[woven gull]

pouncers are based on perfect timing. always remember that every creature u see is a few milliseconds infront of what you see every time. so when stego has gone through half of retracting its tail its already ready to swing again despite u not seeing it

so basically pouncers arent perfect timing. they early timing

[woven gull]

check ur ping. if its over 120 never pounce. and never go straight from the side of a stego. they swing so fast there

yknow what just never go in unless its in an active behind or front swing. thats what i rely on

unless its a stoopid steg

[verbal acorn]

I surprised pounced one from brush. It couldn’t have seen me. Impaled me.

Desync may have been a cause of others…but I typically surprise latch while they are looking away.

[woven gull]

hm. troodon has a lot of problems. it can be impaled on dismount too. but maybe the stego had heard your pounce sound, seens u and pretended not to or just general high ping

i usually play omni and sometimes jump to 510 ping. i can tell u thats true mayhem. once jumped off a stego. ran for about 10 seconds. then he swung and i died

[verbal acorn]

I get in close so little time to react to sound, plus with desync, relying on sound should mean it’s too late to react.

[woven gull]

hm. best thing i can say is always go in front to front side. back to backside almost always ends in a nice little bye bye

troodon relies on a pack to bait a lot tho. if ur solo youll almost always die

[midnight heath]

I'm pretty positive that stegs swing slightly faster at a very specific side angle

[woven gull]

90 degrees to the side is crazy fast

[midnight heath]

That's what I thought

[woven gull]

behind and infront is slow. which is why theyre good at baiting out for pounces

[verbal acorn]

I’ve actually had a Stego stand there and let me pounce it…than casually impaled me. In that case, I was alone and curious to see how well a solo troodon could effect a Stego, no plans to actually press the attack to kill it.

[woven gull]

hm. seems weird

[midnight heath]

It takes so many 3-tier pounces to kill a steg

[verbal acorn]

I’m usually not solo

[midnight heath]

It's like 80+ last I checked

[woven gull]

troodon is weird

[midnight heath]

They're fun little guys and very good if you got a nice pack

[woven gull]

also i dont understand why people say buff omni. with a full stam bar of tap pounces a carno will run down to 19% blood

[verbal acorn]

No rear side attacks for me, front quartering and side…but I try to stay in the front half.

[woven gull]

thats only 8-9 pounces. mf'er op

[midnight heath]

I think omni needs work

Anyone who says they don't I'm hellbent on assuming they just love omni

[woven gull]

ive always wanted to nest as one. always ends in me going "yo wanna go kill that carno? then we nest afterward" dies

[woven gull]

my idea was limiting the pounce to only be able to latch when pouncing at the sides instead of at face and back

making them more relying on baiting and grouping to get in pounces

[midnight heath]

Same actually I was trying to court today because I've never seen the animation. Nesting always seemed like the best way to get a lot of troods but no one seems to really nest them.

Omni I think needs: pounce punishment, can't latch from genuinely any angle and the bleed needs reduced.

Or at least tap-pouncing shouldn't bleed as much as it does

[woven gull]

no one seems to nest at all tbf. theres only one good thing and thats improving your pack. which you dont know how good the players you get are so still bad

[midnight heath]

Stegs are the ones I see nest the most, PTs too and ceras on occassion. There's just not much benefit for nesting and some carnivores just can't without starving right now.

[woven gull]

hold pounce deals more. its just that tap pounce relies on the bleed applied on latch. which is good apparently

[midnight heath]

I got tap-pounced maybe 4-5 times in the span of maybe 20 minutes and it nearly bled out my teno. It put my pool below 50% before I started regening.

[woven gull]

another punishment should be slight stun on failed pounce. not so long that a teno could run in and kick it but mroe of one where if ur quick enough u can get a single bite or claw in

[woven gull]

just so u know. 9 straight tap pounces will put you at 19% if ur constantly running

[midnight heath]

I genuinely, truly hate how much bleed they cause

[woven gull]

but when they apply them slower it gets more dangerous since it still stacks but extends bleed time

[midnight heath]

I've bled out as carno too to omnis

[woven gull]

i mean. claws pretty huge. i think its reasonable bleed. makes you wanna stay in big groups for protection. but they do need to have a nerf. its unrealistic to latch on to the sides of something when pouncing its face

[woven gull]

we dont talk about carno in this update

X)

[midnight heath]

I'm also not super fond of the pin, this goes for troods too but it's an insta-death more often than not. It's the same type of issue I have with deino-lunge because there's nothing you can do once it happens more often than not.

If the omni doesn't have the stam and it does get off you'll just bleed out in a bush.

[woven gull]

pin actually deals less bleed and dmg than pounce. i havent tested in 6.5 since i think its mroe bleed less dmg. but it used to be full pounce deals 400 dmg and full pin deals 350. i think pin still does that dmg

but it makes u wanna stay hiding

i mean they are mainly juvie hunters alone so i guess its punishment for being out in the open

[midnight heath]

I got pounced as a cera, not quite FG but big enough that I assumed I couldn't be pinned. I got pinned, got up and then bled out nearby.

I think this all goes into other issues, I think nighttime is really important because it allows juvies and such to hunt AI that spawn in the open without being spotted as easy and being predated on.

[woven gull]

night time is defo important. atm omni is kinda weird. in up6 it could pin anything under its weight class but in 6.5 i could pin a galli at 380kg. best way to be safe is once ur over 450kg even a full adult cant pin u

if u look at pachy tho. 4 tap pounces and u die while standing

and it cant even defend properly in a group

[midnight heath]

I don't think I'd have as much of an issue if the pounce itself wasn't janky like it currently is, without pounce punishment too someone will just constantly pounce if the stamina allows it and can just gib you at any angle.

[woven gull]

exactly. pounce stun for missed is needed. not too long but long enough to be hit once. and only able to pounce from side angles

[midnight heath]

100% agree

[woven gull]

although alt bites are extremely useful agianst omnis cuz desync

just dont use them too much. cuz that helps them

especially on carno

[midnight heath]

I only recently started using manual alt-bites because I was told that alt-attacks were the same as normal attacks.

I now know why I lost nearly every fight

[woven gull]

yep

every decent play has manual alt bites

whats ur main dino?

mine is constantly switching between omni and cera. i get more kills with cera but got more hours on omni

[midnight heath]

I jump around a lot more than I used to, hard to say I main any but the most I've played of any are:

• Steg the most

• PT & cera the second most

• Omni & carno the third most

Currently I've been trying teno but I've gotten a bit bored of it. Would try deino again but the waterways are too narrow and I get cannied everything I hit FG.

Cera I think is really nice to play, I just couldn't do omni

but then again I guess the packs I've had just never wanted to do anything but sit on NW

Galli & dryo I think is the only ones I haven't really played

[woven gull]

i could train u in some of the dinos fights if u want. im no good at steg. last time i played that i almost killed my stego friend ;-; but i know cera, omni and a lot of carno.

[midnight heath]

I'd be down if grow time wasn't there, it's a really nice offer! I know I tried the free-grow unofficals but they're never full enough and I don't want to go in and ruin anyones fun with like 12 people on.

I got pretty good at steg but they're really boring to me now. I have one on NA2 but I'll likely kill them off when I get too bored.

[woven gull]

im admin on scopeog. its a free admin practice server so we can do it there

although itl be a little bit before im home

[midnight heath]

Down, just ping me!

I'd like to learn better cera 1v1s to fight off cannis

[woven gull]

Aighty

[arctic turret]

tad late haha but there's these cool concepts from a while ago

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1131303275275235388/30b0ef9be99906e883ca3b60f06cc7e191e8cb8e.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1130448801283444766/IMG_0267.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/905598270930288720/2021_Env_Concept_Underwater_Biome_River_small.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/870071881183658014/2021_Env_Concept_Underwater_Biome_Lake_1.png

[plain jolt]

Austroraptor

[arctic turret]

yuh he look so tiny haha

[plain jolt]

This looks great tho, wish it was added on spiro

[arctic turret]

i think spiro was just hastily put together

w duct tape n glue

hoping the time its taking for gateway to come out correlates w its quality

[plain jolt]

I think it will turn out great

[arctic turret]

🙏

[woven gull]

@cedar drum an idea ive had for pachy for so long is: what if they just kept its up6 movement but removed bb stun on mid tiers like they said they would. instead of changing everything. also teno needs to get its carno ram cancel tailslam back. as of rn it can only every even out stun. or itl just get hit

[cedar drum]

teno can already deal with carno quite well. carnos charge is just busted

[woven gull]

true. people are just saying that. carno will alrdy get buffed next update. itl get back its acceleration. which by then its very hard for teno to fight it

[cedar drum]

the acceleration will definately help carno. but the thing still sucks in multiple ways. its in a weird spot where it can nuke everything. and it gets nuked by everything (except cera)

albeit its only really useful in packs

solo carno is a death sentance

[woven gull]

ig thats true. i think teno will have to play a strat of waiting for the carno to be out of stam. which can be difficult but possible. also cera atm can easily hunt a carno down wdym?

[limber hull]

cera can also easily be nuked by carno

depends on how good carno is

[cedar drum]

carnos best matchup is cera

[woven gull]

I usually train with a very good carno player. He numes everything when we play but in cera vs carno despite him being good at that fight i made a strat thats basically uncounterable

Just simply dodge their rams until they run away. Then chase and charge bite his vomit up

When he vomits bite him once or twice. Then wait 20 secs and charge bite him to vomit again

[cedar drum]

if cera players didnt charge headfirst into carno rams the carnos would all die of starvation

[woven gull]

Yep. The fight is pretty balanced based on playstyle. Most ceras just happen to be dumb

I played cera a lot. Won a 1v1 against a full grown cera when i were 72% because he decided to run and let me get 3 free hits before fighting back and messing up his alt bites and charges miserably

Imo ceras worst matchup is teno, best is omni and carno is in the middle ground

[cedar drum]

yeah. but in cera v carno the best option for cera is to avoid the carno

[woven gull]

Eh i can do the fights with 5-43% hp remaining on win. Unless im super low on stam im fighting

[cedar drum]

you would fight and win by avoiding carno charges. either way you would avoid carno until the carno cant avoid you

[woven gull]

Yea thats the strat. I more or less see it as a dodge and then chase him. When you say avoid i think of running away into the trees to hide

[cedar drum]

fair enough

however i dont think ceras should be trying to kill carnos.

[woven gull]

Although once carno gets ots acceleration i think itl be a bit harder. Especially with that turn radius on ram

[woven gull]

Yea its unbalanced. Ceras the body bully he should be scaring away the carnos from food. Not full on hunting them

[cedar drum]

bro i chased off a carno. as a damn troodon.

[woven gull]

Wtf

[cedar drum]

the thing needs a buff

[woven gull]

Poor carno

[cedar drum]

i ended up dying in the end tho

to one of the four other carnos

[woven gull]

FOUR OTHERS?!?!

[cedar drum]

yeah the one i almost killed went and hid behind four other carnos

do keep in mind that im a solo troodon

if that isnt messed up idk what is

[woven gull]

Anyway. Switching to a different subject. After some testing. Heres how to avoid teno clawing utah on pounce and dismount. Bait it to do a side claw and pounce halfway through it. Then dismount towards its head to cancell claw on dismount

[woven gull]

Defo is

[cedar drum]

pachy dryo and carno were done dirty in 6.5...

well dryo was already ass...

[limber hull]

actually, dryo got a buff

it got a weight buff and speed buff

[cedar drum]

didnt do much though

[woven gull]

I dont know why devs cant just do what they say they wanna do. Change pachy to not cause stun to midtiers. Then why change the entire way it moves

[woven gull]

If i remember correctly it was the speed of an omni in up6. Now its 45kmh like troo

[cedar drum]

dryos dodge is also kinda useless

[limber hull]

it was slower

significantly slower

[woven gull]

Hm. Couldnt ever catch them. They ran at my speed all the time

[cedar drum]

next update they gonna make dryo as fast as cerato

and as agile as carno

[limber hull]

you're acting as if it was nerfed in U6.5

[woven gull]

Teno got a ghost change. Can no longer cancell carno ram

[limber hull]

literally got exclusively buffs

[cedar drum]

yeah but "nerf dryo" is funny

its a very wrong statement but still funny

[valid brook]

@barren zephyr the devs do actually go through the feedbacks and listen to them. but not everything they like will get added right away, it may be put on a list to add when the time is right instead.

[cedar drum]

thats both horrifying and good to know

[limber hull]

they have a literal goddamn private channel of every feedback

[valid brook]

Its just sad to know im sure that they read through the same people posting the same things multiple times a day

[limber hull]

punch will rock up to comment on posts that catch his eye (both good and bad)

[limber hull]

there's literally one guy just spamming the same thing over and over again lol

optimisation, gateway, aquatics, less night

[valid brook]

hmm. wonder who...lol. yeah. we know :/

[limber hull]

he blocked me

i don't even know why, but he also downvotes everything i post

god i love him

[indigo gulch]

tf did you do to him x)

[valid brook]

its certainly something thats for sure

[limber hull]

i think i mildly disagreed with him

one time

[woven gull]

Reminds me of the utah group who chased me down and killed me cuz i said that i wanted to hunt a carno alone. I were an omni aswell

[indigo gulch]

I love reading some feedback be so personally biased and then completely counter their own arguments

''we need more diversity'' ''instead you made this useless duck instead of adding rex''

[woven gull]

Mm yes lets add a guy who currently crashes the server if he turns in place xD

[indigo gulch]

''nobody plays those unfun useless dinos''

[woven gull]

Half the server population be like:

[indigo gulch]

here wait let me post the whole thing

[woven gull]

Saw it a bit earlier

[indigo gulch]

going to ping them with the arguments

''just a suggestion, instead of making npc that noone cares to see like a boar or a frog, make those useless dinos that noone wanna play as the new AI, and give other dinos for ppl to play....i mean instead of making a rex or a trike, u made this duck....we need more diversity and if u keep adding dinos that are completely useless and defensless that noone is gonna play ull be seeing (as u do now) the same 3-4 dinos...''

1: wdym with ''no one cares to see like a boar or frog''?
2: None of the dinos are inherently useless. The ONLY one I could see an argument for is hypsi and there are people who like to play them so they still aren't useless.
3: You complain about lack of diversity, yet also complain that they made this ''duck'' beipi. That is literally the definition of diversity since not a single dino plays similarly to it.
4: Again, not a single dino is useless. Especially not if you mean troodon. It just takes a different playstyle. As for the defenseless part, that's just a matter of skill and practise.
5: ''Nobody plays'' I've seen literally every dino this week so I doubt that.

@near smelt

done

[limber hull]

i love it so much

"add more diversity, but only the diversity i like"

[indigo gulch]

X) potato dont you dare

[limber hull]

i stand by troodon being one of the most fun animals in the game, same with beipi

[desert arch]

Saying troodon is weak and defenseless is the best joke ive heard for a while

[limber hull]

as a troodon main, this animal is STUPID

[indigo gulch]

I just wish the movement felt more fluent but that's partly a skill issue

[desert arch]

What would I do? Smh

[limber hull]

it scales insanely well with groups

[desert arch]

Even solo troodon can be terrifying ngl

Everything underestinates you, then they die lol

[indigo gulch]

I killed a cera as solo troodon

[limber hull]

yea, exactly

it rules, it's an awesome animal

[indigo gulch]

worst part tbh

[fathom sphinx]

cera takes long to grow

[limber hull]

not really, no

[indigo gulch]

depends on diet

[fathom sphinx]

Im 50% dw

[desert arch]

Its only like 90 mins iirc

[fathom sphinx]

just sitting here watching yt

[indigo gulch]

well, it's strong and tanky (cant forget that) so that's fair

[desert arch]

Very short, considering omni is 1 hour

Tbh growth times dont rly make sense rn
A troodon, an aninal only weighing 60kg takes around 30 minutes, while an omni, which is massive compared to troodon is only 1 hour...

Way too short imo

[jovial hazel]

Think that's why it's not really based solely on weight. With that logic you end up with a 50 hour grow Para.

Or a troodon that grows in a couple minutes.

[flat ruin]

Troodon is a glass Canon

And in my personal opinion I dont like glass canons

[limber hull]

okay cool

[urban flax]

I've been killed by a solo troodon as a cera

[limber hull]

troodon troostrong

[urban flax]

Troodon ?
More like Troodon't mess with me

[limber hull]

legit tho he's nuts

that entire animal is crazy good

[urban flax]

It's my fav dino as well

[limber hull]

its the one animal i can enjoy in a game covered in OP god carnivores and unfinished/weak herbis lol

troodon manages to still keep the fear factor of being chased by big things while not feeling pathetic itself

also i love the fact it's one of the few animals that can disappear into grass

[urban flax]

Only issue is you also disappear from your own perspective

[woven gull]

u still on?

[limber hull]

"Nerf Stego dmg bro, ma man does 80% dmg to Cera"

my man should be one-tapping cera, the fact it doesn't kill is absurd lol, it is literally over 4x the cera's size and has a colossal spiked tail weapon

[ivory sandal]

I love Ceratosaurus but it should NOT be fighting Stegosaurus

Literally just wait until Allosaurus, Albertosaurus, and Acrocanthosaurus (god help stego) are added

Stegosaurus population would go waaayyyyy down with those 3, and it wouldn't by any means be only player bias

[valid brook]

body shots dont kill them in one hit, and if they have a large enough body they can take face hits too. It disappoints me that you cant starve herbivores out as i once thought, but still. it is quite strong

(it as in cera)

[limber hull]

forget about those guys, rex is coming soon

[ivory sandal]

Only on community servers but yeah

T. rex has the equivalent of a nuclear explosive for a mouth, stego is DONE FOR

[limber hull]

i mean, stego will also only be on said community servers

[woven gull]

if you really keep annoying it you can make it move to a non grass area and starve it. but youre better off with dehydrating it

[valid brook]

obviously for gameplay purposes im assuming a stego will be able to defend it's self from a rex, but yeah, im sure it wont be an easy fight

[limber hull]

current stego? no chance. it needs a plethora of buffs to be prepared

[woven gull]

seeing as they said rex will do more pinning than bb im not sure how theyll balance it out. maybe he cant pin apexes

[valid brook]

yeah tested this fight a few times with a friend. literally the only rules for them (as a stego) were, survive and dont safe log. they could do anything they wanted. you cant really punish them for getting a drink because well. you'd have to run into the water and slow down. and grazing doesnt cause you to puke

[valid brook]

yeah, i believe it was kissen who said stego will be getting some buffs. so i mean post buff ofc

[limber hull]

i mean, we already know stego is getting an uppercut swing as a new attack

[ivory sandal]

Dude rex is gonna prison shank the living hell out of stego the moment it gets a grab off

Rex is effectively land deino but even worse

[woven gull]

true. maybe a quick swoop in on the flank since they cant look backwards

[ivory sandal]

Ryan's World VS Mayweather type stuff i tell you

[woven gull]

but the devs did say cera wasnt meant to fight stego

[valid brook]

i wouldnt be surprised if stego gets a form of "hull down" where it either cant/canbarely move but can take a bit more of beating. idk how in the world something like that would work, but just a thought

[limber hull]

then what does it do

[valid brook]

yeah but if they know yer hunting it, itll get a sip. look. get a sip look. ect

[woven gull]

body bully

[urban flax]

That sounds more like an ability for an ankylosaurid

[ivory sandal]

Steal bodies and bully minors (omnis)

[valid brook]

fair, maybe a similar but not quite the same ability then?

[limber hull]

but then it dies to the first rex that sees it

[woven gull]

yea. you could use the time it takes to drink a sip then

[urban flax]

I think stego's gimmick should be more about dishing out more damage than your opponent possibly can rather than tanking

[limber hull]

a stego that "can't fight a rex" is essentially the definition of a bad animal

[woven gull]

maybe stego could have some thing where the rex deals less dmg and takes a bit of dmg cause it bites the spikes on the back

[limber hull]

agreed, i'd be willing to see stego's damage hit the 2000 mark if need-be

[ivory sandal]

Bullies minors as in Omniraptors, but bullies minors as in bullying an 11 year old child who bought isle and thought T. rex looked cool

[valid brook]

i wont say its impossible just because i wasnt able to, but i dont think its as possible as, well. me being a stego main saying this, i would like

[limber hull]

yea but a competent rex will mince it

which is my problem, stego needs to be able to not die

[valid brook]

fair, im just curious how this would work when it comes to defending it's self from a rex, cause the its gotta be able to atleast, fight, flight, or hide. and i think we know which 2 are off the table lol

[valid brook]

Kentro might be getting something like that, but kentro will have speed on its side im assuming

[woven gull]

yea no i agree with u. i think they put stego on cera diet cause it could bully off omnis. kinda like with how omni has deino on diet. its babies or scavenging. unlike cera who can jump head first and kill a sub deino XD

[ivory sandal]

Competent rexes mince everything but Brachiosaurus and whichever large diplodocid is being added

Rex has the ecological impact of an H-Bomb

[urban flax]

The uppercut we've seen in a preview seems like it would be good enough for making rexes think twice before attacking it

[woven gull]

yea. kentro the speedy one

[urban flax]

I can imagine it dealing more damage than the regular jab, now imagine it on headshots

[limber hull]

the way dondi described it is also "one of the most violent attacks in the game", which is... actually quite good

[valid brook]

Fair, i've purposefully kept myself in the blind for htings like that (i like surprises) so i dont know the full extent of what it has coming

[urban flax]

Ignorance is bliss

[valid brook]

one thing im gonna be trying to do is learn Gateway without a map. I miss the days of exploring and coming across something and being like? what is that? or seeing something in the distance, wondering if/how you can get to it. and i think it just offers a lot more replayability

[woven gull]

i made a deal with my friend to do that too X)

[urban flax]

Same
There is just not much to explore here in Spiro

[valid brook]

yeah. i think itll be a lot of fun, and i urge people to do it too, obviously though wont shame anyone if they decide to use a map

[urban flax]

Either you remember the position of every copy-pasted batch of trees to know where you are, either you use Vulnona

[limber hull]

cant wait for people to immediately put the whole map on vulona

and highlight every hotspot

and point of interest

who likes exploration amirite or amirite

[valid brook]

yeah. for me on spiro i can get anywhere from anywhere (NW is the zone i know the least) without a map. but i did use it to begin with so i did get a bit of a cheat sheet. i wanna learn that ability on gate way but without the map

[limber hull]

spiro is just boring lol

[valid brook]

indeed

i used to be one of the people who were like "its not THAT bad" then i played on it more... and more... and more... and well... yikes

[urban flax]

Spiro is kind of a testimony to the importance of a mapper's job

[valid brook]

for sure

[normal lotus]

@trail totem stego is meant to be so strong because it's 6 tons of giant. Actually, stego is scheduled a buff with its kit rework in stage 2, so it can defend itself against rex and trike.

[raw hedge]

When does gateway come out? Is it available on unofficial servers or?

[icy lion]

We don't know, but it might replace Spiro entirely and become the only map in the game

Alternatively, Spiro might stay as an option for unofficials

[raw hedge]

Hope not lol.
Or maybe I’m too good at finding holes….
Lol I’d love to get gateway out and playable. Looks like a more “realistic” map

[normal lotus]

It is and isn't in the sense of "hey here's a big ol building:

[raw hedge]

But I saw that the biomes are larger, spread out, and there’s more dynamic mapping in any case

[normal lotus]

Oh yea that stuff is awesome

[lucid robin]

@fiery fable you can sort of cancel calls by biting

[trail totem]

bro I meant on Evrima

[lucid robin]

Evrima is gonna have rex and trike, yknow.

also, they've stopped updating legacy afaik

[flat ruin]

@lucid robin
Yeah that basically what I had in mind, thanks for making it more clear though

[lucid robin]

ofc

[normal lotus]

I am talking about evrima

When rex and trike are added stego has to deal with them so when they do arrive stego will get a kit buff

[faint folio]

To add, rex and trike are actually being added relatively soon to evrima-- they're in active work now and are like 6-7 in order of playables to be released

[trail totem]

ahhhh hell no bro... if Rex & Trike will get added its just finna be like Legacy where there's just Rexes in the game cuz they too broken....

[prime prairie]

a system that keeps your crocodile at the same height underwater. it's a bit annoying when you want to look out and you always slowly sink like in quicksand.

[urban flax]

@nova cairn I care about the human aspect and the buildings

[woven gull]

Theyre apparently gonna be better than legacy rexes and trikes. But more difficult to grow. Its gonna be unbalanced yes. But thats cause they are balancing it so it would be balanced when the full apex roster is introduced. Luckily its not gon be on official and unofficial can toggle it on/off

[fleet hound]

I mean, personally I think it's kind of game breaking that you can hide underwater and see above it despite your dinosaur NOT being above water

[faint folio]

I tend to think so too, but I guess we'll see. Like someone said, when rex/trike are added, it will be unofficials only, and I heard stego will be moved to unofficial only as well. Hopefully they can balance it well.

Because of that, I am of the strong opinion that none of the apexes should be canni. Cannibalism allows overpopulation to sustain itself. Rexes should be incentivized to kill other rexes because it reduces the chances of successful hunting/enough food, not because they eat each other

[faint folio]

That's true although I wish they'd change the surface animation so it's just your eyes/nose poking out (like how irl crocs do), instead of it being your entire topside visible

[fleet hound]

I'm not a paleontologist or a croc wrestler, so I can't speak too much on this, but I don't think crocs can move across the water while only showing their eyes and nose.. If it's anything, when they are stationary, they can peek out of the water with just their snoots and eyes.

Maybe instead, having a blurring mechanic based on depth, where the more shallow the water the greater the clarity, and at surface level you have full clarity in your view.. so for example, you'd see blurry images at lower depths which could be dinosaurs moving and such

[marble marsh]

Can someone please explain to me how the ping on the official servers take so much priority they wipe out everyones player info, and still doesn't really fix much, and you can't even record other players cheating... But the almost PERMANENT food bugs and glitches are still a thing, you can't use the in game-recorder to catch the ABUNDANCE of cheaters, you can't log out on rocks or anything other than solid ground as you'll clip through and die\break your legs and the PLETHERA of other bugs? The ping issue isn't a priority, the unofficial servers have better managment than the official servers anyway

[formal atlas]

No they do very often. Been to the bayou plenty of times in my life, grown up around them and even know how to cook em. All you can see is two eyes and the nose and they can still move faster than you think without breaking water or making a wake.

[fleet hound]

thank you for the insight!

[formal atlas]

All good most of y’all don’t get the opportunity to see stuff like that like I did growing up. Part of why deino is one of my favorites they did an excellent job on it. Kinda wish it could shoot up out of the water like they can in real life, I’ve been them snatch stuff out of trees up to about 6-8’ depending on how big they are.

[fleet hound]

Yeah, I noticed that 2, they don't have the croc jump in the game.

[jovial hazel]

It is maybe/supposed to be a thing.

Vertical lunge or something.

[fleet hound]

I can try it in a min

[jovial hazel]

I mean. It's not a thing yet.

[fleet hound]

can confirm, not a thing

[faint folio]

They can... but they're quite slow, like inches per minute. But honestly, stationary alone would be fantastic. Can't lurk in deep water perfectly still at the surface without sticking out like a sore thumb. Makes ambushing kinda hard when you gotta breathe

[fleet hound]

true, needs higher sneak skill

we need a auto-walk button damn it

[formal atlas]

As someone who literally caught them with my bare hands. They move fast than you think like that. I definitely wouldn’t describe them as “quite slow” I’d stay what an average person swimming speed would be before they make waves and produce a wake.

[lucid lynx]

@humble pollen lmao? I play deino and 90% is an extreme exaggeration idk what youre talking about. Id say it’s literally the opposite like maybe 10%. And i do think its fair to have some areas that are relatively safe from deinos lunging at you. If there were no safe spots itd be crazy.

[fleet hound]

So i guess if you get a bleed, you just keep bleeding while sprinting, and die.. even though you haven't been hit for like 5 mins, but you gotta keep running cause the raptors wont stop chasing you.. This feels stupid to me because I shouldn't keep bleeding until death because I can't stop running, it feels bad tbh. Does my dino have diabetes or something? lol

[flat ruin]

u gotta stay still and dodge them in that situation

or stay still and alt bit the hell out of them

unless your tiny then there not much u can do its survival of th fittest

[pliant wadi]

legit, they can see all up the plains while underwater yet want to make it even easier to do so ? lil bit much ngl

[lucid lynx]

Nah lmao

[flat ruin]

how else would they hunt- the devs said deinos are being hit hard with gateway so im not worried about its balance atm

[pliant wadi]

nah they can just see so so far lol

like as far as a land dino, idrc but having to use space to prop up and risk detection is a balance for being able to see like a fullblown land dino imo

[pliant wadi]

also how are they being hit hard? im intrigued

[flat ruin]

i dont know all of it but there will be alot more water that is seprate from the main rivers, lakes and ponds and such, so it will be harder to grow

and also the map is bigger as well so more land to cover when hunting

i think the exact words of one of the devs was something like deinos being hit with the "banance stick" once gateways here

[pliant wadi]

Lmaooo

Yeesh canni crocs already be going ham. I think that will defs do something about the numbers

[midnight heath]

I was not! I'm around though tonight!

[woven gull]

Alr. Btw whats the time for you rn?

[midnight heath]

Nearly 11 PM

[woven gull]

Oh damn. Its only 6:40am for me xD

[midnight heath]

All good, I work on a grave-yard like shift so I'm around

[woven gull]

Alr

Itl be a while before im on tho

7 hours at least

[midnight heath]

No worries, we'll be able to practice some time for sure. I was worried this patch was carno for a moment

[split thistle]

<@&505047238674874368> NA1 is broken. it rebooted, now it's stuck at 21/100. it will not put anyone in queue

nvm, it just started working

[woven gull]

Alr. Nice

[woven gull]

Carno would be scary then x)

[void crow]

@verbal acorn If you die you die, you don't get a full re-grow. Sandbox may come to unofficials in the future, but respawning as adult would just be way too strong, and nobody would care if they died.

[midnight heath]

Would take out honestly a core feature of the game, it wouldn't really be too much of survival game through-and-through.

[lucid lynx]

sorry but that suggestion is not a good idea

it would make things way too easy

and being able to instantly have a fg apex every time would just be crazy

it would also be abusable

[limber hull]

Also it just really leans into the whole "screw survival, I want fight"

[lucid lynx]

you could purposely die if you were starving just to spawn back in still as an adult and get free meal instead of fighting for it or searching for something to scavenge

[woven gull]

imagine on official servers with revenge killers ;-;

theyll know exactly where to go and smell out your bleed

[humble pollen]

dont ping me lil bro, and thats my opinion

[lucid lynx]

imagine being a dino that just fought something and took it down cause you needed food and a second later that same dino comes back fg and full health to guard their body and kill you when youre already weak

[limber hull]

also imagine if the entire game is nothing but who has the best stats and nothing more

[lucid lynx]

dont call me lil bro lmao

[humble pollen]

dont ping me then

[lucid lynx]

daw

how you gonna get mad at someone for pinging you when you have nothing to indicate you dont want to be pinged

like at least put it in your name if youre gonna be an asshole about it

[woven gull]

i dunno what went through in that feedback suggestion but its basically: "oh no me die i no wanna play anymor make fight only gaem"

[humble pollen]

ok you are a kid i have to block you lil bro

[lucid lynx]

bro what

[woven gull]

kinda gives the reverse kind of energy there

[lucid lynx]

literally

[humble pollen]

imma bloc you too bye lil bro

[lucid lynx]

omg im soooo sad youre blocking me

wow im gonna cry what a tragedy

[woven gull]

im not sure what blockings gonna do to me. i dont even know you. and luckily i wont need to ^^

[lucid lynx]

legit

[lucid lynx]

lmao

someone ping him

[woven gull]

nah let him have his "im the boss" moment. soon he'll realise that it does litterally nothing to us

[lucid lynx]

lmfaooo

yea

this is so funny to me

hes prob like 12

[woven gull]

more like 11

[verbal acorn]

You would care, you’d care because only through death can you evolve your stats to improve your dino. And you’d care about living, because that’s how you gain currency for evolving.

[lucid lynx]

bruh

[woven gull]

its a survival horror game. not an oh i died lemme go revenge kill game

[weak dune]

Sooooo.... basically path of titans? lol

[lucid lynx]

oh right i dont play that

[woven gull]

i know the devs arent making the game look like a really good survival game but theyre definetely arent trying to make it look like a battle sim

[lucid lynx]

yup

[woven gull]

yea except no growth loss at all

[weak dune]

You're not missing much. The only thing PoT does better than the Isle is map design

Well

[woven gull]

cough updates cough

[weak dune]

and mods

[weak dune]

Yeah but even with all its many more updates, the gameplay itself isn't great lol

[lucid lynx]

you gotta do like quests or some shi right

idk what for

[weak dune]

to grow

[lucid lynx]

ohh

[woven gull]

yea. small dinos tp'ing everywhere, big ones oblitterating everything, having to quest for growth and each dino taking between 10-20 hours. needing points for abilities and overall gameplay slower than legacy

[lucid lynx]

10-20 wow

i hate the baby filter on this server

[weak dune]

you have to quest to grow, and quests are just constantly regurgitated "run to X location, collect 50 pinecones, collect 50 sticks, go to Y location, collect 50 flowers". It took me like 10 hours to grow the smallest raptor on the roster

[lucid lynx]

SMALLEST

[limber hull]

welcome to the club, do not try to give this man criticism

[limber hull]

not even, Gateway is leagues better than Gondwa

source: I played Gateway

[weak dune]

Gateway isn't publicly accessible tho

yet

[lucid lynx]

yea but i assume were referring to currently available to everyone maps

[limber hull]

i still played it

i am also the first ever isle player to die on the toilet in game

[woven gull]

isla spiros unfinished areas out of map looks better than playable area X)

[lucid lynx]

playable are in pot?

[weak dune]

Historically speaking, pre-gateway, Evrima maps have all been pretty bad

[lucid lynx]

yea lol

[woven gull]

yea true

[lucid lynx]

like you cant tell me evrima is that great

[woven gull]

if gateway is a bad map i refuse to call it gateway. ill call it:

portpath

[lucid lynx]

most everything is copy pasted hundreds of times to make the map

portapath maybe lol

[woven gull]

yep. but maybe they have a big enough variety this time to make it not look nice and even like bushes in center are alligned

[urban flax]

doorroad

[woven gull]

doorroad

[weak dune]

I mean Gateway looks leagues better than all previous Evrima maps but idk that I'd say its better than Gondwa. Gondwa is a pretty good map. The Isle has PoT beaten by leagues when it comes to actually engaging gameplay mechs though. Combat and movement in PoT is just plain clunky.

[woven gull]

animations in pot also look kinda robotic

the gameplay is also much slower

[weak dune]

I prefer engaging interactions > good maps

if I had to choose

but it would be nice to have both

[lucid lynx]

only nice thing i seen about pot is banana skin dino

[limber hull]

i honestly think Gateway is better because it is the only dinosaur game map to seamlessly combine human structures and natural environments in a way that makes the map overall benefit

[weak dune]

I mean PoT doesn't have human structures period so you're comparing apples to oranges there

[lucid lynx]

what do yall think about global chat

[limber hull]

yea, and The Isle utilises its setting to elevate the map structure beyond what PoT is even capable of within its setting, because human structures permit for far more unique ideas

[limber hull]

i'm glad it's dead lol

[lucid lynx]

maybe if it were like a thing you could switch between global and species so you dont have to see what you dont want

[limber hull]

i genuinely hope global only comes back as a mod for community servers

[midnight heath]

Not super fond, I think it breaks the immersion of the game personally.

[weak dune]

Eh, have to disagree. When it comes to actually interesting and varied natural landscapes, PoT has the Isle beat by a longshot. Gondwa is actually fun to explore all the nooks and crannies and odd caves and such. The Isle is just "Here's a field, here's a jungle, here's another jungle, here's more fields"

[lucid lynx]

i think it would be ok if you could hide it if you dont wanna see it

[midnight heath]

Also people would just treat the Isle as a hang-out rather than playing the game

[lucid lynx]

fair enough

[limber hull]

with Gateway, I literally enjoyed exploring all parts because it would literally throw these awesome goddamn structures with unique elements at you, and that's not even mentioning GUTS, the greatest goddamn thing on Gateway

[weak dune]

I think it should be an option for community servers that want it. Officials have always had an absence of global chat. I don't see it changing. I don't think it needs to change either

[limber hull]

GUTS is literally going to be an exceptionally in-depth tunnel system that allows creatures to move underground through dark tunnels to avoid traversing the open road, allowing for some subterranian mischief from some of our favourite nocturnal friends

[midnight heath]

What I don't get, something I see often enough is people wanting to take stamina from freshspawn dinosaurs.

They're freshspawn they'd literally get run down by most things if they didn't have the chance to just zoom off into hiding

[limber hull]

no, i def see why that is

freshspawns have a stupid amount of stam

[lucid lynx]

yea thats true

[limber hull]

they SHOULD have more stam, but they have like, 10x more stam than an adult

which is absurd

[lucid lynx]

goddamn imagine trying to grow a deino like that

[midnight heath]

Maybe I just haven't hunted enough freshspawns to have an issue with it

[weak dune]

I'll just have to take your word on it until I have my hands on it. Gonna be real disappointed though if we don't have any rocky structures and such for jumpers/climbers to get up on and basically parkour around, and not just "here's one giant rock in an open field that everyone and their mother camps out on". Definitely interested in some subterranean tunnels though

[urban flax]

The only way a freshspawn can run out of stamina is growing enough so their stamina gets down to normal levels

[limber hull]

those structures exist, but you can also parkour around the human bases and, as a small tier, use the small doors to hide away from larger threats

[midnight heath]

Man I am excited though to play deino in Gateway, I really love unwater animals but Spiro makes it feel like a constant PVP rather than a simulator where I just get to be a gator.

[limber hull]

it's not about hunting, it's basically the fact that stam management is a non-element for freshspawns, when I feel they should still be necessitated to engage somewhat with the game's systems beyond eating

[weak dune]

Yeah but I'm hoping that some of the natural landscape will get just as good treatment. And not just more "here's a flat open field/jungle. Good luck"

[limber hull]

i mean, a flat open field is already an amazing change

because Spiro has literally no goddamn flat open fields that actually have food

[midnight heath]

Alright I do see that, I just assumed most folks wanting it just whined because they couldn't kill freshspawns

[weak dune]

I mean center is just one giant open field. Flat? Maybe not, but open and boring af

NW is about the same

[limber hull]

there are a plethora of logs to use as a smaller creature to hide in, along with cycads that make up the sanctuaries juvis can use to hide

[lucid lynx]

today i tried playing my fg on na3 and i just got bored cause there was nothing to do. A bunch of other deinos in the water but i couldnt find anything to eat so i eventually logged off that.

and adult deino stam is so painful

its hard to find dots so i suffer

[weak dune]

I wonder how good the hidey logs are actually going to be though since a lot of carnis can still stick their head through objects and bit you to death. Even though were were promised as far back as U1 that that wouldn't be a thing anymore lol

[limber hull]

each biome has a unique thing to it

highlands are rocky and hilly, great for agile creatures with more vertical mobility
forests are dense and difficult to navigate (but much easier than Spiro's forests)
coasts link to offshore islands, and often contain large cliffs, meaning a careful step is necessary
fields are flat and open, permitting open plains animals (like carno) to actually do their thing

[weak dune]

Part of me says "Heck yeah Highlands" and another part of me looks at fall damage and broken legs and cringes

[midnight heath]

Cannibalize for organs would be the easiest route

[lucid lynx]

yea they better fix clipping issues

[weak dune]

I'll be surprised if they do because they talked about it no longer being an issue when Evrima first launched and we're now almost 7 updates later with no end to clip biting in sight. Its always great when someone kills you through a rock lol

[midnight heath]

I want that starvation look to starving dinosaurs, it would be so nice and so much more intense to see a starving cera approach and getting a better feel if they're going to eat you or not.

[lucid lynx]

logs wont have a point if you can just bite through them

[lucid lynx]

ooh yea

[weak dune]

Pretty much, yeah

if a carno can just clip his head through and bite you, there's no point

[midnight heath]

Let me see those ribs, that spine and boney hips 🫴

Someone also mentioned getting paler with blood-loss which I'd love to see

[lucid lynx]

thatd be interesting to see how that would look

[midnight heath]

It could be faint, not a super strong tell but a tell non-the-less

[weak dune]

the blood loss one would arguably be a lot easier to implement. All it is is a color adjustment

[urban flax]

@cedar drum From the same place as tenontosaurus=brawler

[limber hull]

it's a dev-decided role

[cedar drum]

yeah well... at least tenontosaurus is actually good at that. carno is apparently supposed to be cathcing omnis...

[limber hull]

idk why people take so much issue with it

[limber hull]

arguble that teno is good at it atm

its damage has been so floored, it genuinely struggles

carno should be a small-game hunter, it's literally the best suited animal to be dealing with the faster species

[cedar drum]

i mean yeah speed helps catching speedy things but those speedy things can escape in a bunch of different ways... mainly agility

[limber hull]

which is an issue with carno atm

something that can be addressed

[weak dune]

Yeah Teno is really not in the best place right now

[cedar drum]

however if carno ends up being too agile and too fast hes gonna start destroying everything... and i mean everything

unless carnos damage is nerfed alongside it

but if carnos damage is nerfed too much then he wont be able to kill anything or defend himself

[weak dune]

Honestly no matter what you do with Carno, unless its basically a Cheetah Apex, people who play it will whine

Even when Carno was in a better place than most other dinos, people whined

[cedar drum]

ill admit that i am a carno main and i probably do have carno bias...

[weak dune]

Carno has p much just always had an ongoing identity crisis ever since its introduction

I think the only time the army of carno mains wasn't complaining was in U2 when it first got introduced and it was singlehandedly decimating entire Stego-Teno megaherds

[limber hull]

carno needs a damage nerf for the charge regardless of anything

[cedar drum]

true. the charge is ridiculously strong

[limber hull]

it would based on the fact that it has speed, it can defend itself via fleeing, which it should do more tbh

[weak dune]

It generally won't though since most people seem to try and play carno as Cheetah Rex lol

[cedar drum]

carno shouldnt be cheetah rex... that sounds ridiculous. but people do be out here trying to kill everything in sight so its not inaccurate...

carno certainly shouldnt be op

that would make it boring to play

[weak dune]

I honestly don't know why most people complained about Carno since its been stupidly easy to grow, survive as, and fight with in almost every update

People would be complaining about how their adult carno is somehow constantly starving to death while my carno never even got peckish, and most of the time I hunted exclusively AI lol

[cedar drum]

in this update its essentially starvation the game. at least it is if you want to chill a bit

you take twice as long as omni to grow and yet you have the same hunger time. and omni can kill you and is pretty much just as fast with added stamina and agility

[barren crater]

Carnoraptor. Busted but fun as hell

I love busted introductions. Pachy, Cera & Carno 🥰

[cedar drum]

pachy kinda sucks now...

sad...

[weak dune]

Omni is not as fast as Carno lmao

Better turning, yes. But barely

[cedar drum]

not as fast but not exactly slow

[barren crater]

hmm?

oh

[cedar drum]

and omni has waaay better turning than carno what?

[barren crater]

Omni runs circles around carno

[cedar drum]

and bleeds the thing out

[weak dune]

1v1, an omni can run circles around Carno, but not enough to have a good opening to counter-attack, only to keep from getting bitten. And most of the time carnos run in at least groups of 3, so unless you have a rock to jump on, you're screwed

[cedar drum]

and omni is usually solo

100%

[weak dune]

And the "running circles around carno" doesn't matter if you can't put up distance, which in a distance chase, carno wins

[cedar drum]

until the carno runs out of stam

[weak dune]

omni is usually solo because people don't survive long enough to make a pack most of the time

[cedar drum]

then your 10 buddies come in and finnis h it

[cedar drum]

the hell kind of servers you playing on? ive seen 20 omnis all adult

[barren crater]

Don't even need 10. 2 Omni's can delete a Carno fairly quickly

[cedar drum]

unless the carno manages to get to a cliff or mud puddle

which is a thing

[weak dune]

A cliff is arguably more dangerous to a carno than an omni

[cedar drum]

it is... if you run off...

but carno can use the cliff to buck omnis off it

and if the omni misses it will also go flying off

[weak dune]

Anyway on occasion I do see a big omni pack but they normally don't last because omni goes squish the moment anything actually hits it. Yeah you sometimes get huge groups of adults together, but half of them drop like flies and the other half turn scared and run away so they don't also die

[cedar drum]

yeah. but the omnis that do die a lot of the time go running headfirst into the opponent

or sit down like right next to carnos...

[weak dune]

and the ones who don't sit on a rock 90% of the time

lol

[cedar drum]

most of the time i kill omnis is because they run up to me like friggin skyrim npc's

carno was never unplayable. just because its hard to play doesnt mean it cant deal damage. however it is in fact very difficult to play and does not know what it should be good at. carno hunting small game isnt necessarily a problem. i just want it to have 1 thing larger than itself on its diet for a little variety

[vital laurel]

@sage crescent gliding is allready in the game or do you want it to have moon gravity?

[urban flax]

What's shown in the concept is actual flight physics
As opposed to the minecraft creative mode flight we got right now

[midnight heath]

I keep seeing people in the feedback section trying to make a survival dinosaur simulator not a survival dinosaur simulator and I just can't wrap my head around that.

That's like buying a racing game and then wanting it not to be a racing game.

[barren crater]

idk about size differences

Since the hitbox would need to be adjusted. Playing the smaller sex would be the meta pick

[vital laurel]

wdym? Ive played petra bit since 6.5 and its not that bad

[urban flax]

It is
There is no flight physics
You can move forward, up or down
Moving up costs stamina
Moving down increases your speed (which is lost as soon as you stop moving down)

[midnight heath]

You have a good point, ideally the size difference wouldn't be that big to cause for a hitbox change. It'd be along the same lines of you can't bite the very tip of a tenos tail because it's not apart of the hitbox but it makes the creature look pretty big.

[urban flax]

In the preview, flight keeps directional momentum and looks way more like actual flight (or rather gliding in that scenario)

[woven gull]

more accurately: Buying a racing game and complaining that its not a plane game

[midnight heath]

For real, I genuinely don't get it. You bought a game where you eat, drink, die or live and grow.

Honestly PoT is likely more what they're looking for and not a realism simulator.

[urban flax]

The Isle is not a realistic game nor a simulator either

It's a sci-fi survival horror game

[woven gull]

yep. isle is tagged open world, survival, horror and people want it to be a pvp fighting game

sure it kinda is rn cuz there isnt much other content but thats the disadvantage with early access

[urban flax]

User tags

[midnight heath]

It is a simulator

[woven gull]

best description ever

[urban flax]

Not exactly, because The Isle takes purposeful deviations from realism in order to favor gameplay or a specific narrative

[midnight heath]

Not wrong lowkey

Alright

Dinosaurs aren't around today, we have not seen them and only make decisions on the way they lived based on the evidence we find today. Some of these things aren't set in stone either and have changed over the years because of it, going off what we have and what the devs have decided to interrupt with these makes it a simulator.

[woven gull]

i really hope migration system makes herbis fun playing. as of rn its either just finding stuff to fight or social simulator

[urban flax]

Simulators are a specific kind of games
Just like RTS, 4X and RPGs are
The Isle is not one of them

[midnight heath]

Agree to disagree then.

[woven gull]

if the devs do go through with playables ai i really hope its code-able or customizable for community servers with rules. and that its only for herbivores to make the less carnivores, more herbivores ecosystem that should exist be real

[midnight heath]

Yeah, currently a lot of the herbivores suffer because there's nothing really for them to do. Migration would also make hotspots a little less hot hopefully.

[urban flax]

I still heavily dislike the idea of having dinos be playable and AI at the same time on a server
Also making herbivore dinos AI just justifies them being inferior to carnivores
Herbivores should be engaging to play, not just playable AI

That, or you don't make playable herbivores at all

[midnight heath]

Someone put it a bit ago but I agree that playables shouldn't be AI on officials because it breaks immersion.

[woven gull]

didnt mean for it to be inferior. just to make the balance of more herbivores than carnivores. but there is ofcourse still the thing of trying to communicate with someone and realising its an ai

[woven gull]

yep. although i think thats gonna happen since the devs seem pretty happy with the playable ai thingy

[midnight heath]

That's the part, imagine getting excited seeing someone of your own species just to learn that it's AI.

[midnight heath]

Maybe, considering rex is rumored to be AI for officals but only playable on unofficals gives me hope.

I know they're been doing a lot of AI stuff though recently, like AI carno and such.

[woven gull]

also another bad thing here. unless ai is given a bit of desync they will run on 0 ping constantly. meaning smth like a teno would be impossible for a pack of omnis without one dying

[woven gull]

i both like that but hope it changes after all apexes are released. i think its made like that cause its unbalanced at the moment with so few apexes

[midnight heath]

I'll be honest

I want Gateway before the playables, I don't think Spiro needs more things jammed into it right now.

[woven gull]

same

[midnight heath]

People saying "add more aquatics" where do you want them to go?

[woven gull]

but on the living roadmap the next update is gateway. unless some creaturs come first

[midnight heath]

I think it wasn't in order with the stages? I'm very unsure about how the roadmap functions

[woven gull]

yea lets do it the path of titans way where kaiwhekia can sit in the edges of the map with nothing to do! :DDDDD

[midnight heath]

I know they showed 2 stages and plan to release things in bits, that's about all.

Considering the last stress test was nearly 9 months ago though and the map at least looks mostly done I hold out hope it's soon.

I know the weather system is still a little wonky

[woven gull]

i just kinda thought that was how it worked since whitelists got added and gateway looks next. cant see when the creatures get added tho. hope its on or after gateway release

[woven gull]

hopefully they dont do another trick where they wait till 24th december to release smth again

last time that was one of the worst things done

although i think they want some of the dinos done to be added alongside gateway

or they just havent shown us the unfinished parts. i mean it could be half done and theyve only shown us the finished stuff

to the sexual dimorphism thing u posted i really like it. i think for the species who dont have physical sexual dimorphism a voice difference could be a thing. for teno especially. maybe like with omni that has a very deep male courting voice

[midnight heath]

I don't want anything rushed or half-polished playables added in like what we have currently, I'm bored too of the current roaster but Gateway is a must for sure to fix so many of the current issues. I just hope it's this year, the lack of communication is heart-breaking but my hope holds.

Thank you! I do think the hitbox thing is fair that someone mentioned but I feel somethings could get away with it. Pitch differences would be really neat too, I like the idea of some species being fairly androgynous so something like pitch would really be neat!

[vital laurel]

@agile roost dev kits/api/sdk is coming "when they have time" according to Amarok

[agile roost]

Oh, good to know :D

[twilit snow]

@midnight heath

In-game right now the only animals with Sexual Dimorphis are Stego, Hypsi and Ptera
In total, from what we know
Giga and Para will join the fray.
I agree that we need more sexual dimorphism ^^

[midnight heath]

Oh I forgot about hypsi! I only see males of that species.

I assume Para will get different crests but what did they have in mind for Giga?

[twilit snow]

Tho I don't really agree with size,because that would mean adjusting hitboxes troughout theor entire growth and that sounds kinda annoying to Dea with

[twilit snow]

Giga favors small changes, but gets the most.
Smaller crest, no neck spikes, smaller throat and no hump-back for the female

[midnight heath]

Yeah, I didn't think too hard about the hitboxes but I see the issue. I would hope there'd be a way around it but I genuinely don't know how it'd be handled. I just want examples of sexual dimorphism that's not just color in general.

Oh that's actually quite a lot, I'd be very hyped to see a change like that!

[twilit snow]

But yeah I wish for more animals to get sexual dimorphism.
Primarily feathered animals

[midnight heath]

Same! It's always really nice to see but for the moment most things they just slap a color on it and call it a day.

I'm not sure if this is the official artwork but I found this, if it's anything like this I'd be so happy

Its mild but has just enough change in my opinion

[twilit snow]

It's offcial yes, + the new Giga model

Female Giga my beloved 😍

[midnight heath]

That's genuinely so exciting to see, with new Giga we'd be eating well.

[twilit snow]

Indeed.

[woven gull]

Talking about pitch. If its ever going to be added i think its gonna come with para

[twilit snow]

Dinos on my wishlist for Sexual Dimorphism:

Carno
Ovi
Theri
Austro
Teno
Shant
Cera
Dilo
Herrera

[woven gull]

yo @midnight heath im on in a moment if ur still able to play

[midnight heath]

Unfortunately I'm a tad busy at the moment but if you're around in an hour or so I'll be around!

[woven gull]

yep all good!

just ping me

[limber hull]

i love how pleasant this entire exchange is tbh

its wonderful

[woven gull]

hm?

[limber hull]

just two people asking politely if they're ready to test something out and respecting each others time

its nice

[woven gull]

X)

is it rare to see that here?

[limber hull]

kind of yes

[woven gull]

damn

[north quiver]

@coarse galleon this might explain your problem #general-feedback-discussion message

[coarse galleon]

I even went to the edge of the map on NW no Goats

Pretty sucky

[desert arch]

goats only spawn south, near the large mudpool

[midnight heath]

If you could remind me of the server name that'd be great! We can start on ceras if you'd like!

[woven gull]

norden free admin

[midnight heath]

Two came up, I clicked the one with people on it. Any specific spawn?

[woven gull]

center

[woven gull]

whats ur ign?

[midnight heath]

Corvians! Can I DM you to continue our conversation so that we don't clutter this chat? Or we can talk in game, either or!

[woven gull]

yea dms good^^

[coarse galleon]

goat deer they look the same

[midnight heath]

Goats are white and baah, deer are brown and make awful noises.

[sage crescent]

Actual flight physics go hard compared to the extremely barebones flight we have right now

[barren zephyr]

@thorn lintel The reality is the game can't handle 200 players in a server, community servers struggle to pass 150 as is. Often opting more towards 100 due to lag and performance issues with the server

[lucid lynx]

i think maybe 125 would be good to try for officials

100 still feels too empty at times

alot of times really

[flat ruin]

And they wonder why we're all at center

[urban flax]

They don't wonder, they know it's because of bad map design
And that's why they're making a new one

[flat ruin]

[lucid lynx]

i like the varying level of fracture thing

it could also depend on the size of the dino inflicting it in comparison to you

[normal lotus]

It would be nice, severe fractures could come from anky and rex, maybe pachyrhino too if it does get a charge

[lucid lynx]

and maybe in some cases it would take several instances to make a fracture severe

[thorn lintel]

Sad, maybe make a map smaller or something to interact more with other players not like center.

[midnight heath]

I mean they're already working on a map currently

but it's much larger than Spiro

[thorn lintel]

Well maybe performance can make a diference Unreal 5.3 with terrain Nanite, i dont know in what version of Unreal are they using, but maybe they have some gamechanging with that

[proud coral]

also smaller at the same time ☝️

[raw hedge]

Why do you say that?

[proud coral]

Spiro for us only has a small area that is playable, the rest is cut off and unfinished. Gateway though has all of it's area playable which is larger than the playable zone on Spiro, but when taking Spiro as a whole island into account, Gateway is smaller.

So basically to us Gateway is bigger, but as a whole it's smaller.

[raw hedge]

But the spiro map had many problems that were discovered by making the map so huge. Though it was made with good intentions, gateway will be a better/bigger map because it’s going to be designed to be fully playable.
The spiro map is huge, but only like 1/3 of it is truly playable because of food and water issues.

[urban flax]

Spiro is not bad because it's huge, (it's not even that big for a survival game map) Spiro is bad because it was done in a rush by someone who is not a mapper and who doesn't like making maps

[raw hedge]

Exactly what I was trying to say. It was poorly designed, but I don’t think it was due to negligence or not caring. It was a rush to get something out to play test mechanics. I don’t hold it against them too much lol

[ivory sandal]

@ionic smelt shouldn't be an option, imo everything should at least look believable. That includes lips and fat and stuff

[urban flax]

wdym
I want lipped trike

[ivory sandal]

I want it too, that would unironically be the stupidest and most hilarious thing i ever seen since poison-dart horse magy but it isnt believable at all

[urban flax]

What about lipped ptera ?

[ivory sandal]

Ear lobes ptera >>>>>>>>

[urban flax]

Yes
Also since the topic a few hours ago was about sexual dimorphism female dinos should have long eyelashes

[raw hedge]

I will pay money if I can spawn my Dino with a beard or bow as I deem appropriate lmao

Imagine a deino with blush

[full pewter]

@honest fog I’d like this as an option for community servers, but not on officials

[honest fog]

Yeah i just miss being able to talk in chat for fighting servers

Like when i tried evrima there was a server that grew you and you fought it out now that global chats been removed i need to talk in discord which is anoying since i dont wanna be in any extra servers for a small growth request

[full pewter]

I agree this aspect is frustrating, I’ve run into it too

[exotic hull]

What’s the server?

[barren jewel]

@rocky vine Deinos aren't supposed to see that well underwater, especially at night its called balanced

[cedar drum]

@barren jewel the isle already has an incredibly bloated roster. We don’t need more creatures

[barren jewel]

bros never even seen the legacy dino selection lmaoooo. we do need more dinos. tired of seeing ceratos and carnos everywhere i go. the game gets boring after a while with the small handful of dinos we have now

if you think the dino selection is bloated you havent seen path of titans lol

[cedar drum]

The isles finished roster

Yeah more Dino’s are planned

A lot more

[barren jewel]

how many of those are actually in evrima tho?

[cedar drum]

You wanna add one to that list?

[barren jewel]

why not?

who cares

if i wanna play as a giant ostrich why does that concern you sm?

[cedar drum]

Here’s the planned giant ostrich

And it’s a little aquatic aswell

[barren jewel]

likley wont even get all those dinos on evrima soooo

thats a spino what are you talking about

[cedar drum]

spino…

[icy lion]

That's deinocheirus, it's an omnivore

[barren jewel]

way bigger than what the gigantoraptor would be

[cedar drum]

It’s a friggin deinocheirus mate

[barren jewel]

ok? looks like a spino. id rather have a more unique dino to play

[cedar drum]

This is the isles spino model

This is deinocheirus

[barren jewel]

who tf asked lol

[cedar drum]

You did when you called deinocheirus a spinosaurus

[barren jewel]

i never asked anything lol

also i dont really care

[sacred copper]

Kleft you lost, just take the L

[cedar drum]

My point is that we already have close to maybe more than 60 playable a planned

We don’t need more

And gigantoraptor is a pretty friggin cool dinosaur

But deinocheirus is planned so that’s what we getting

[lucid robin]

gigantoraptor would basically just be a bigger, slower galli, right? we already have the big murder chicken/ostrich, galli. we dont really need another

also the planned roster is already way too big to be adding more dinos to

most ppl agree on that

[cedar drum]

If you wanna know why bloated rosters are bad there’s at least 5 YouTube videos explaining it

[lucid robin]

at least 5, but probably like 30

[cedar drum]

Probably more

[barren jewel]

spino looking thing and the gigantoraptor are 2 very diffrent dinos in size and play style. youre guys whole arguement is diversity bad lmaooo

[cedar drum]

You do know how big gigantoraptor is… right?

[lucid robin]

gigantoraptor looks very similar to galli to me. we don't need another galli. especially a slower one

[lucid robin]

also what does 'diversity bad' mean? /genuinelyconfused

[barren jewel]

The spino looking thing is bigger than the Gigantoraptor and no it wouldn't be a second galli. The Gigantoraptor would actually be able to hunt effectively unlike a galli. Literally a child's argument. "Well it looks like something so it must be like that thing"

[barren jewel]

I bet you are

[lucid robin]

dude ur the only toxic one here, attacking people and being aggressive-

we were being pretty civil about it, or i was anyway

[cedar drum]

The hell is therizinosaurus on a bad day gonna hunt?

Leaves… leaves

[void crow]

[barren jewel]

Lmao again yall just say "it looks like something so it must be that thing"

[void crow]

Another paragraph. 👀

[cedar drum]

OH NO

[gentle flint]

Lmao “the spino looking thing” and yet when someone says it looks like a galli..

[lucid robin]

it has big legs. it looks built for kicking / stomping. therefore is similar to galli in some way.

[barren jewel]

I said it looked like a spino not that it plays like a spino

[barren jewel]

And 500 other species but ok

[lucid robin]

i was talking about creatures we have in-game atm, which is obvious

[cedar drum]

Look… kleft… I like cool dinosaurs
You like cool dinosaurs
We all like cool dinosaurs

But we don’t need more in this game

[lucid robin]

that ^

[barren jewel]

In your opinion which you're entitled to, yall are the ones dragging this on lmao

[lucid robin]

not really, u keep making snarky comments to keep this argument going-

[cedar drum]

Why do you think giraffeoraptor is a good addition then…

I’m genuinely curious

[barren jewel]

Because everyone has different playstyles and I feel my playstyle would best fit with the Gigantoraptor

[lucid robin]

how much u wanna bet hes just gonna say this again

anyway ima head out and watch yt

this discussion is boring

[barren jewel]

Again who asked

[lucid robin]

again, ur being snarky and rude for no reason

[cedar drum]

And what is this play style exactly

[barren jewel]

Being able to actually hunt thing effectively and still feel rewarded for it because I can eat them lol. Being able to defend myself from things that wanna hunt me, but also not being confined to the carnivore lifestyle

[cedar drum]

Here you go

[barren jewel]

Nah cuz that's gonna be way stronger that a Gigantoraptor

[cedar drum]

The size really is not that different

[barren jewel]

Also thats gonna be a semiaquatic I can already tell. Look the different in muscle mass, the spino looking thing is taller and longer

Theyre not the same at all

[cedar drum]

But the play style you described is

[barren jewel]

Yea but im not gonna have fun being that op

[cedar drum]

So you agree that the play styles are very similar?

[barren jewel]

In the sense of offense and defense but that things gonna spend a lot of time near the water. How they behave in game and what they are capable of is extremely different

[cedar drum]

If you wanted a giant omnivore well you’re in luck deinocheirus will probably be your giant omnivore

If you wanted a specific species well too bad

[barren jewel]

Bro I've seen people suggesting dinos before so unless you're a developer stop talking like one

If they want to add other new dinos thats up to the devs not you

[cedar drum]

To quote dondi who might I remind you is the lead developer of the game

“Yea sure we’ll get your tyrannosaur clone in the game. What could possibly go wrong with me spending 7000 dollars to get a creature in the game”

[barren jewel]

But weren't you saying they're gonna do that for like 60 other dinosaurs?

[cedar drum]

Yeah. And adding even more will probably make them lose more money than they already will

[void crow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-paws-playing-pattycake-playing-cute-kitty-gif-17522387

[barren jewel]

Obviously not everything can happen at once but again its not up to you which dinos get added and we dont know the future so stop acting like a dev and get over yourself

[lucid robin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I0XTzZLZfA&list=WL&index=23

[cedar drum]

That is the best description of this discussion

[cedar drum]

And there it is

[lucid robin]

funny animation too lol

[void crow]

But you said that gigantoraptor should get added. 👀

[cedar drum]

Kleft. If you want a dinosaur in a dinosaur game how about you make one yourself?

[barren jewel]

I suggested a dino im not saying which dinos get to be in the game and which ones dont

[barren jewel]

Bro all I did was suggest a dino what are you talking about lmaoo

[cedar drum]

Might i remind you that this is how you replied to my incredibly simple feedback

[barren jewel]

You're feedback wasn't feedback you just shot down a mere suggestion for no reason other than to satiate your boredom im assuming

[cedar drum]

All I said was we don’t need more creatures

Then you wrote a novel to reply

[barren jewel]

Cool and I said you don't get to make that decision that should have been end but you kept arguing

[jovial hazel]

It is a perfect valid option in any conversation to just say "ok" and stop talking.

[barren jewel]

Ok

[cedar drum]

Eh fair enough. Its nearing midnight and i should probably sleep…