general-feedback-discussion

[violet vessel]

I agree with you but since they're removing stego I don't think it's fair to keep deino.

[uncut dagger]

doesnt need to be unique, needs to be entreteinment , i do agree that herera might overshadow it so maybe only three climbing wont be enough

[uncut dagger]

yeah eighter that or add something that will keep deino in water

[violet vessel]

Honestly they could give hypsi every mechanic in the game. It still would be harmless and barely played. I think with animals like hypsi it would only be played in a progression mode if that ever returned.

[normal lotus]

Why do people hate playing dinosaurs that can't fight? There's more to this game than fighting. And climbing is ample enough protection along with their blinding spit

[violet vessel]

I just don't like them dude. In fact almost everyone doesn't like them, and you can tell by how often you see them. Maybe one per server is the max.

[normal lotus]

Well it is quite stupid in my mind

[uncut dagger]

an animal doesnt need to be able to kill stuff to be enjoyable

[uncut dagger]

yes

[sick crescent]

They don’t have much interactive gameplay right now

[normal lotus]

That's true. Update 7 should be fixing that

[sick crescent]

I’d wait until more survival and fleshed out gameplay comes before saying everyone just hates non-fighting playables.

[sick crescent]

The game is still incredibly deathmatchy, so yeah wait until Elders and Perks.

[next monolith]

I can agree, but I really feel like it would leave official servers severely empty

[sick crescent]

Maybe even Update 8(or the new roadmap equivalent)?

There will be enough playables on Officials to keep players occupied

We are still having Diablo on Officials

[next monolith]

But I do also think there should be more Dino AIs, so the world feels more alive and full

[sick crescent]

We just won’t have Stego, Trike or Rex

[violet vessel]

Yeah if you like it good for you. I never said to remove it. It just sucks for those who have hypsi or dryo on their diet and can't make use of them.

[sick crescent]

Really the only thing being removed is Stego

[next monolith]

I meant it literally, there would be way less players playing official

[sick crescent]

I also don’t want Officials to become Apexpocalypse right now, I can absolutely agree with the devs to wait until survival is more fleshed out before reintroducing Apexes.

Otherwise everyone will just be an Apex again instead of the other playables in the roster they are adding.

[uncut dagger]

i dont is the thing, no one does. and this is harmful for those who got them in their diets and this is why i say devs need to make something to get people playing those dinos

[sick crescent]

We see this with Deino already

Deino isn’t even an apex and at that is boring as hell.

If they can truly give Deino the difficulty smack, they can do it with other apexes enough that we might not see an Apexpocalypse.

Rex wasn’t just played 24/7 because it was popular, but Rex was also incredibly strong in legacy. Rex and Giga won’t be the only basically meta playables in the game anymore with Evrima.

^ Me saying I expect Evrima to have a different Apexpocalypse than Legacy

[next monolith]

I can agree with that, but I personally don’t think removing them completely from officials is the good call

[sick crescent]

Apexes were also incredibly easy to grow, so why grow an Allo when you could have just grown a Giga

Now they not only will have difficulty scales(supposedly/optimally), but also they’ll have different gameplay so not everything is just either a smaller Giga or Rex

[violet vessel]

There is nothing the devs could do other than force me to play hypsi

[uncut dagger]

make it more enjoyable with more mechanics , how and what mechanics idk

[urban flax]

Also in legacy there was literally nothing to do other than combat
The smalls didn't even have any abilities
So obivously everyone would cater to the strongest playables

[sick crescent]

The devs can try all sorts of new things to punish Apexes in Evrima, interested to see how they’ll go about balancing Apex growth especially.

[uncut dagger]

a good 90% of servers where juvi rexes thats true

[violet vessel]

Even with mechanics it's too small. People just prefer bigger animals.

[sick crescent]

This is what I mean by now everything has different gameplay

Tenonto will play different from Stego already

[uncut dagger]

not really no

[violet vessel]

But they do, nobody plays it

[sick crescent]

Hypsi is not finished yet

[violet vessel]

Climbing won't fix hypsi

[sick crescent]

Hypsi won’t just climb?

[uncut dagger]

yeah there can aways be other stuff to it tho

[violet vessel]

Like what

[uncut dagger]

like how can any of us know

[uncut dagger]

"can" bc idk what

[sick crescent]

What do you call what Hypsi did again?

[violet vessel]

People want climbing they will play Herrera or megalania

[sick crescent]

The reverse Dryo on trees

Dryo burrows, Hypsi does a similar thing but on trees

[barren zephyr]

yes, bigger creatures are safer to play as solo

[amber cosmos]

Have they said anything about which allo is coming to the game?

[sick crescent]

This is no longer the case

[barren zephyr]

they are safer to play tho, as adult at least

[sick crescent]

In what way are they safer now?

Smalls are harder to track, faster and typically more agile, and can hide very well

In legacy this was the opposite, apexes still had speed(for some reason) and tracking was super op

Plus we didn’t have the foliage we do now

A small can just avoid everything

[barren zephyr]

at the current state the 2 big creatures have less enemies to worry about

[sick crescent]

More of a roster issue

Even at the top, good skilled mids and smalls will be taking on Rex or Giga

Rn Carno would theoretically just destroy everything and can just run from even smalls

Apexes also have to do really well solo for this reason(everything does, but apexes especially)

They don’t control the engagements they are thrown into

[uncut dagger]

but not to grow is the thing

hypsi is literaly no risk on playing

[sick crescent]

(An Omni pack can choose to disengage a Rex at any time, a Rex cannot

Is what this means)

[barren zephyr]

yup, they are sad to grow: deinos get cannied and stegos get suplexed

[uncut dagger]

whats suplexed?

[amber cosmos]

How fast do you think isle Rex will be ?

[barren zephyr]

google, it's a wrestling move

[uncut dagger]

thats kind of a tradeoff

[sick crescent]

Definitely not as fast as legacy Rex that’s for sure

It was faster than Utah with its ambush

Maybe the lower 30s in sprint?

[amber cosmos]

How fast is stego ATM, I'm not home or I'd check

[sick crescent]

We don’t know if they’ll change Stego speeds, but it’s probably going to stay in the lower 20s

[amber cosmos]

Rip lol

[sick crescent]

The only speeds I remember are Beipi and Deino

Speed is so irrelevant to me when playing Stego I actually forgot how fast it is rn

Even Galli I struggle with remembering, 55.4?

[amber cosmos]

I imagine giga will be good at killing stegos with bleed if it's that slow

[uncut dagger]

rex shouldnt be able to trade with a steg

[valid brook]

stego. iirc is like 26.4

[sick crescent]

26.4 sounds right

[uncut dagger]

whats the meaning of iirc?

[sick crescent]

I remember the .4 anyway

Deino is 18, Beipi is 32

Trike iirc is even faster than Stego lol

[tall hearth]

"If I remember correctly"

[worn peak]

why are many people against having the option of a glocal chat? Giving admins more options does not really do anything bad?

[boreal briar]

I have 2 half coconuts, 1 full coconut, and 5 beansing oranges stuck to my pachies face. holy beans this is annoying as an herbivore QQ

cant even swear so i gotta use the beans name in vain

[barren zephyr]

it's not a chatting game

[barren zephyr]

just eat them

[worn peak]

well, yeah. but having an option for people to chat, if they want to, where is the problem with that? In legacy we had a lot of people who enjoyed just playing in a herd of different species and talking to eachother. Besides that it helped a lot with enforcing rules and made it much easier for people to find an egg or a group, cause they would not have to run around and be lucky. Much easier for new players too

[barren zephyr]

discord serves that purpose

global chat would just make bullying me easier for others

[worn peak]

yeah but then people have to tab out every time XD where is the point in that? it is just one extra step. And why is it easier to bully people in a global chat instead of a discord? if you bully people in global you get banned. if you bully them in discord, you get banned. Same thing. Also, I am not saying every server needs a global chat. I just want the admins to be able to choose to have one, since it was used a lot in legacy (never had bullying in global in legacy btw, don't know where that argument is coming from, never eyperienced anything like that) Besides that you can just swap to group/local-tab and not see the global chat

[barren zephyr]

@hybrid heart deinos can't only fill up hunger bar with elite fish unless it's a dead server

[worn peak]

I don't get why you say: I don't need/want it, so noone should have it

[barren zephyr]

this is not legacy, I have not once felt I would wanna chat with someone other side of the map

U shouldn't type so long, In my mind it's a bad feature to add, u can't change my mind

[worn peak]

well I did. Especially when trying to find a group. With more species it will get much harder to find someone you can group with, which makes it less fun in my opinion. Beeing able to communicate and play with others together is a big part of the game. Yes. this is not legacy but that does not mean it can't be any similar

[worn peak]

this is a discussion channel, if you don't wanne discuss, that's fine, but I can still type

[barren zephyr]

you are supposed to bump into someone and befriend them not ping everyone that you are lonely and need someone to play with

encounters are more excitig if you don't know who, what or when

[worn peak]

lol XD noone is doing that. Asking for a group does not mean you will no who is around you. You still don't know who you will encounter, that was no different in legacy then it is here.

[barren zephyr]

sometimes I think it could be cool to chat with other species near me but definitely not global, takes skill out of the game

[worn peak]

wdym it takes skill out of the game? you talk them to death? I mean, it is just easier for peopel to find a group and organize it a little and it also gives us opportunities to talk to others. It does not change any of the fights at all, you will still encounter people and they just eat you. If you can speak to them or not won't change anything and it has nothing to do with skill if you can speak to someone or not.

but well, since you downvote everything, I think this discussion is pretty pointless^^

[barren zephyr]

if there is chatting going on players will want to see it, if they see it they will often engage in discussions, this would take focus off gameplay and make this a 20€ dinosaur themed chatroom

[worn peak]

you haven't played much legacy, have you?

[barren zephyr]

I downvote things that don't make sense, things that are delusional and things that would make the game worse

[barren zephyr]

nope, I bought this game to play deino on evnirimina

don't care about legacy, it does not matter to new version

[worn peak]

yeah so I can tell you that legacy was not a chatroom. How can you be so sure without ever experiencing it with a global chat? you just assume it

[barren zephyr]

not what I have heard from legacy players

[worn peak]

well I am/was legacy player

however, lets end this discussion^^ not gonna go anywhere

[barren zephyr]

I am a csgo player, how does this matter to evrima?

different game

if they thought legacy was good then why make new game?

[worn peak]

cause the code was bad and could not be fixed?

[barren zephyr]

current code is bad and needs rewriting

if it was code issue then they completely missed the mark with new version

[sick crescent]

The foundation is fine, the foundation of legacy was horrible.

[final sky]

does the isle have any trans devolopers? i would like to find out if i should refund it or not

[barren zephyr]

evrima CPU usage is so insane they need to rewrite half of the code

to fix it

[sick crescent]

CPU usage is going to be high regardless

[barren zephyr]

there is no reason it has to be so high

only 100 players

[woven musk]

Lmao

[barren crater]

Refund if they are or aren’t 🤨

[next monolith]

Goofy

[next monolith]

Why is that?

[woven musk]

Maybe a middle ground where we can leave scent messages? Kind of like messages in darksouls xD that can only be smelt/read by the same species?

[buoyant dove]

Dont think so

[earnest goblet]

it is called legacy for a reason lol

this version literally made big communities that exist till this day, and evrima is meant to be just a remake of legacy on a better engine, with better optimalisation and more mechanics

[barren zephyr]

sure

[earnest goblet]

legacy was and still is a beta that needed to be rewrited because they couldnt update the game any longer. any small changes effected in bugs, like the broken recording system etc

and i agree with u completely @worn peak , btw i know you, but dont remember from which legacy server, idk if i can say names here but i def played with u

[barren zephyr]

Global should be disabled on all officials, but I don't and have never seen the reason as to why unofficials don't have an option to turn them on and off

Hard enough as is to get an admin to come unstuck you, can't say anything in game or use an unstuck button

You should not have to rely on a 3rd party application to get any admin help lol, just my personal take

[next monolith]

True

[earnest goblet]

agree

global was disabled on legacys officials too and it made sense, because they were realistic servers

but community servers lived with their own rules and they did great

[barren zephyr]

Heavy agree

[earnest goblet]

i feel like if devs gave more "power" to the admins the community servers would be even more besieged. hosting events would be possible for example

global for all dinos, local for all dinos, and those 2 for only certain species or a group of animals - herbis, carnis and omnis

that would be perfect

and if someone even says something about realism, i want to point out that currently carnivores are cannibals, when in nature carnis hardly ever kill other carnis, not talking about cannibalising. also, they kill almost everything, which makes no sense to me. a carnivore wouldnt hunt and risk an injury when theres food lying everywhere

[worn peak]

yeah i agree, that makes sense. Don't need global chat on all servers

Realism is pretty hard to achieve in this game I think.

[barren zephyr]

The realism argument never made much sense

[earnest goblet]

true

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr if you only get XP by killing things, how do you expect herbivores like dryo to get XP?

Also, perks are planned for next update, although they won't require XP

[soft kindle]

I would like to point out crocs eat crocs all the time even today lots of crocs 1 body = give me my share or ima bite you for it just an example

[sick crescent]

Even if they could, they wouldn’t

With human players being the controllers, especially not

[eager parrot]

#general-feedback message I like this, I would love to see tapejara but I think it would only be appropriate to add more flying dinos once we have apexs

Also argentavis is a decent amount bigger than pteranodon when you consider they are both pretty small dinos, so balancing would be an issue at this current time in development where we only have pteranodon, other pterosaur would need to be added first

[grave trench]

When looking at the balance feedback channel I see a lot of people react negatively to suggestions regarding snake dinos, is there a reason for that? I'm just curious is all

[eager parrot]

There is probably more realistic reasoning, but I imagine some people including myself think it would be a nightmare to create and I bet a bunch of bugs would come with it, also I feel like a lot of people aren't super big fans of them

[cedar galleon]

there's a couple common reasons people bring up

[eager parrot]

Id rather a electric eel haha

[cedar galleon]

A. snake movement is a nightmare, B. balancing is also very difficult, as you could easily make it either overtuned or very weak, C. The whole way snakes eat food is very much in contrast with how everything else does it, and D. people would rather have other animals than snakes fill their perceived roles, for instance deino already ambushes and suffocates people

[eager parrot]

Nice, the movement was also what I was mainly thinking about with mechanics, I cant even imagine...

Especially with the hills and different angles

[grave trench]

movement feels like the biggest problem out of those imo thats gotta be a nightmare

[eager parrot]

If it wasn't super hard to do it would be a cool addition fs, just not worth the time with h ow long it already takes stuff to come out lol

[grave trench]

the others I can think of realistic solutions but the movement really does sound like the biggest hurdle

[cedar galleon]

bob's paleophis movement actually looks really good

[eager parrot]

hmm

[barren zephyr]

Love bobs paleophis

[cedar galleon]

but bob is an entirely different beast

[eager parrot]

I'm having a geez now I've never watched any BoB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aVe9c_3MJU

Looks really good actually, the isle definitely doesn't have the appropriate mapping on rocks at all though lol, half the time I'm standing on thin air

[grave trench]

That’s incredible what is this game

[eager parrot]

Beasts of Bermuda

[grave trench]

Beasts of bermuda?

[eager parrot]

I was impressed by how the snake dropped down towards the end of the video

[grave trench]

I’ve never heard of it is it in development

[eager parrot]

Yes been out for a while I think, I've never followed it though

[cedar galleon]

it's currently purchasable on steam for 20 bucks

it's definitely a game, I recommend looking into it if you're interested and have the time

[grave trench]

it looks pretty good

I might get it honestly

[eager parrot]

As with all of the top contendors for dino games it def has its issues

I haven't even played and I've seen people complain about it, but I see people complain about the isle and PoT aswell hahaha

[cedar galleon]

bob's issues are more balance and community focused than the other 2

[grave trench]

like everyone plays carnivore and certain dinos are just not fun to play?

to guess

[cedar galleon]

bob has infinite growth and a talent tree for every playable

[eager parrot]

Yeah I'm looking at the reviews rn on steam

The infinite growth is cool, only on some servers tho

[grave trench]

wait wdym infinite growth? like size wise or just stat wise

[eager parrot]

I see a lot of people with over 500 hours on here

[cedar galleon]

for a time, tropeognathus (a flier) was absolutely busted and bullied most things on land and made pteranodon essentially redundant

as an example

[grave trench]

cause I'm imagining like a kaiju rex

[cedar galleon]

you get bigger, and then your stats increase alongside that

[grave trench]

so the size is capped is what you're saying?

[limber hull]

BoB has a lot of “get grabbed and die” playables like The Isle’s deino, except these animals can grab much more and sometimes even fly

[barren zephyr]

BoB imo is the better contender, I like their dev team communication a lot more

[eager parrot]

tropeognathus picking up apatosaurus moment

[limber hull]

They used to have it that velociraptor could jump over oceans and solo rexes

[grave trench]

BoB sounds like the better game at the moment certainly

[eager parrot]

That type of statement is based on opinions haha

Def doesn't look as realistic as the isle, and thats why I stay away

[grave trench]

true but this is just what I'm hearing

[limber hull]

For me, The Isle beats it by a country mile

BoB has so many goddamn problems

[cedar galleon]

also for some reason despite the fact pot has built in mixpacking and is an "mmo", and isle's officials have no rules and plenty of deathmatch or free grow servers, bob has (from my own personal experience) the largest amount of clans

[eager parrot]

Yeah fs, this game is my exact niche so I'm biased af tho

[eager parrot]

Yeah, I don't know about BoB but on PoT when I played to see if it was better than the isle, on AU servers there was an US clan of 40 players that would occasionally join and run through the map

thats also why I hate PoT (Not gonna mention everything else)

[cedar galleon]

it sounds fine on paper, and then you spawn in and get picked up by a velo someone's been growing in a cave for 50 hours that jumps with you to the stratosphere, drops you, lands without any fall damage, and then solos a rex

[barren zephyr]

Very opinion based but I believe so. The customization and fantasy is a lot more fun imo. I'm not the biggest fan of realism, I like the wackiness of Bob, if you're looking to have fun with unique gameplay I recommend it

[eager parrot]

So basically if its up your alley send it, you can always get a guaranteed refund in under 2 hours playtime

[limber hull]

I personally feel it leans too far into absurdism and gamifying to be enjoyable

[grave trench]

sounds good I'll check it out

[cedar galleon]

I still find it fun on occassion though

[limber hull]

I like The Isle because things are unrealistic, sure, but they’re at least a little grounded. I also hate the “die instantly from lightning unless you have the right perks”, or the whole perk build system thing in general

[swift herald]

@boreal sequoia titanoboa was already mentioned in a brazilian live by a developer, he said that they would like to add it to the game, but it would be basically one of the very last , because it is very difficult to develop its body, he said that it is something well buggy

[strange wave]

it was mentioned more recently to be entirely scrapped

[eager parrot]

lol

[swift herald]

when?

[boreal sequoia]

thats sad 😦 it seems like it'd be a pretty good competitor to the Deino, wrapping around it to stop it from moving and constricting it, while Deino tries to deathroll out of it

[strange wave]

june 19th

[strange wave]

titanoboa was a lot smaller than deinosuchus
being much closer in size to a cerato than a rex

[boreal sequoia]

ah

still competitor to small deino

[swift herald]

the live was that same day

[grave trench]

wasn't it at least as big as a schoolbus or something like that? or did they change the size for balance in the game

[strange wave]

buddy
he mentioned it in the context of it being entirely scrapped

titanoboa is not coming
period

[strange wave]

sure it might have been that long, but length means generally nothing

[boreal sequoia]

also Titanoboa was 14ish meters, Deino was 11

[strange wave]

length means nothing, weight is key here

[boreal sequoia]

was literally about to type that

Deino weighed several times as much

[cedar galleon]

I weigh like 120 pounds, if I was as long as a school bus, I still wouldn't do jack to mike tyson

[swift herald]

tessaro?

[strange wave]

yes

[swift herald]

in a brazilian live he mentioned that they can work on it, but lastly, that was the 19th

[boreal sequoia]

if it was scrapped, big sad, if not, i have hope, regardless i still like the game anyways and regardless of whatever it preys on i would still enjoy playing it cuz snek XD

[strange wave]

#isle-discussion message this has everything from said stream, playables section
titanoboa is cut from the game

[boreal sequoia]

oh well

[swift herald]

I will translate tessaro's words on live 1 minute

[strange wave]

this isnt a debate type thing

the snake is gone

[cedar galleon]

I thought they cut it a while ago tbh

[strange wave]

it was cut, then there was a brief period of it being a very solid maybe with evrima
and then recently it was confirmed to be cut from the game entirely, hopefully never to return

[grave trench]

kinda sucks that snek is gone as that was what got me to get the isle but the game has great potential outside of that

[strange wave]

well there is other reptilian attractions, such as lizard

[grave trench]

true

[cedar galleon]

with it cut, we can finally have a spot for more interesting and unique additions, like bringing back deinonychus for a pack hunting small carnivore

[boreal sequoia]

yo Mosa being a possibility is nice

snek is pretty damn interesting and unique dude

[strange wave]

the liborb

[strange wave]

that... thats not exactly how this works

[clever lion]

True

[strange wave]

especially for a niche that already has 3 creatures in it

[grave trench]

I can't see them adding anything like mosasaur until they revamp the map in a couple years

[strange wave]

we still have troodon, omniraptor, and velociraptor

[strange wave]

gateway :D

[boreal sequoia]

i looked at the thing in isle-discussion

[swift herald]

They asked on the live on June 19 about titanoboa
Tessaro : "Dondi cut it, but why did he cut it? Technological limitation, a lot of stress to make a snake, a lot of time and it's buggy, we can do it, ark did it, but then we won't even waste time with it now, who knows ahead in the future. Oh is there anything to do? we're going to do titanoboa, but not for now."
That is, as I said, it was not 100% discarded, it could come at the end of the game.

[grave trench]

theres a titanaboa in ark? its been so long since I've seen anything on that game

[strange wave]

i see
so what you're saying is, its cut from the game until literally everything else is done, and even then its a maybe at best

[boreal sequoia]

cut "for now" would prob be a good way to say it, because there is no guarantee they won't decide to just change their mind in the future, and yea there is and it's "Ok" lol, a cool design but i feel like the Devs would want to do more with it, and so i can see why they aren't wanting to do it right now.

[eager parrot]

Yeah and its egregious

[grave trench]

in what way

[boreal sequoia]

big bonk energy

[eager parrot]

Unbelievably buggy

[swift herald]

yes, that's what he said on live

[eager parrot]

Even when its not stuck inside of a wall, it will be 90 degrees vertical in a incline

[boreal sequoia]

im excited for Deino verti-lunge though

[eager parrot]

Yes!!

[cedar galleon]

does boa even have a purpose in ark outside of ai that will bite you in the swamp

[strange wave]

filipe has expressed numerous times how little he wants to touch the snake

[eager parrot]

Those pteras wont escape

[eager parrot]

naw lol, they give chitin? Or some other material

[boreal sequoia]

and what im saying is humans can change their minds lol, not that it's a guarantee but im not inclined to believe it is a specific "no" unless i see or hear it word for word

and in the end it's whatever, if they don't that's okay

[grave trench]

are they ever adding spino btw? I heard that there was some kind of apex water dino in the works but I don't know which one it was exactly

[cedar galleon]

yeah spino's eventually being added

[boreal sequoia]

i saw something about that in the isle-discussion

[eager parrot]

If you read most of these questions are answered with Borks link he sent

[swift herald]

mainly he said that it's something very difficult to do and he'll totally forget about it for now, but who knows in the future with the whole game complete he can bring it

[eager parrot]

tessaro talks about the dynamic between rex and spino and deino

[strange wave]

spino is confirmed, as is deinocheirus

[boreal sequoia]

woot

[eager parrot]

Saying how deino should give rex a run for its money in water, and how spino should be a worthy opponent on land, but ultimately trex is stronger on land than spino

[boreal sequoia]

spino im gonna love

[eager parrot]

Fr same here

[boreal sequoia]

trike too

trike fav herbi

[eager parrot]

If its done right and with all the other apexes added it would be great fun

[swift herald]

basically spino will be good on land and water, while rex will be great only on land and deino in water
If you are a spino and attract a rex to water or a deino to land, you will have an advantage.

[limber hull]

I hope Spino’s greatest weakness is horrid speed. I want this thing to operate primarily as a colossal bully

[eager parrot]

I agree

[limber hull]

If it can’t steal a corpse, it eats fish and vibes

The main thing it should be actually competently hunting is anky, and that should be a tough battle

[swift herald]

one lost in the water too lol

[limber hull]

I dislike the idea of Spino being a hunter immensely, a massive fisher/brawler that can bully even apexes off their hard earned kills is a much better niche

[eager parrot]

Yeah, you wont be short of fights anyway The Isle players have given plenty demonstrations of thinking they can kill things they cant

[strange wave]

but it should very much have the option to wrestle with something should it not back down, like, overconfident cherry or deino should get mulched, or have an extremely uphill battle against a fully grown spino in its prime

[limber hull]

You’re a spino. You want a fight? Sniff the air and find one. Basically, cera niche, but bigger and with more water and fish

[swift herald]

I just wish spino had a wider tail and not how was the presentation and you?

[limber hull]

Also less rot and cannibalism

[swift herald]

the one presented was this

[eager parrot]

Sick design

[limber hull]

Spino merely only needs to step into new conditions. Go to shallows/land to dismiss a deino, and use depths or dry land to combat a cherius

[strange wave]

even in their element spino should be a rather uphill battle

spino has a weight advantage on both (going off novas charts that is)

[limber hull]

Spino is remarkably generalist. It literally adapts to all environments, and you can use that to easily shut down specialist animals

Personally dislike the idea of Spino having a significant advantage against an animal even in that animals primary specialty biome

[grave trench]

play BoB for about 8 minutes, hated the UI, and was completely empty, refunded immediately

tried it though

[eager parrot]

Hey now ya know

[limber hull]

The UI is horrid yea

Should’ve mentioned the UI

[eager parrot]

Yeah I seen it when I was reading the reviews idk why they have that as a screenshot on their storepage

[limber hull]

It’s sinful

[grave trench]

yeah I had no idea what I was looking at and couldn't tell what was what

also why is there a comfort bar??

sounded great, the video looked good but there was no snake option and only 3 water dinos

all around problems were evident

[uncut dagger]

@worn peak sure is good to have community servers to have more freedom but global chat is just a pool of toxicity

[barren zephyr]

Hmm that's true, didn't think of it, and ok.

[worn peak]

global was well moderated on the community servers, so thats why I can't agree with that. Got to know a lot of cool people via global chat and I am not saying it should be there on every server, but the admins should have the chance to turn it on for their communities

[worn peak]

yeah true. I also don't think it makes sense to force it to realism too much, since it is still a game and dinosaur life was probably not that great in reality after all

[sick crescent]

Dinosaur life would’ve been very boring yeah

[orchid moon]

@glass hollow Thanks for reposting my post

[normal rune]

seems to be an issue with the safe logout. Safely logged out and come back to find my dino is no more??

[proven fossil]

austro shoulder feathers look aesthetic so i disagree with your comment

you don't like the feathers, then don't play the dino

[eager parrot]

I love feathered dinos

[uncut dagger]

yeah honestly im all up to giving the community admins more freedom over their server

[rancid crescent]

unplayable with this annoying laggs

[earnest goblet]

real

[earnest goblet]

i dont know then on what type of servers were you playing but in the ones ive played a lot the global mostly looked like "U for Utah egg R for rex group group at north twins are you friendly?"

[earnest goblet]

yea if we were into real realism well then prepare to a herbis life looking like - grazing all day, drinking some water and resting under a tree

and thats literally all

and their diets wouldnt be 3 different veggies growing in diffrent part of the maps. it would be grass, roots, fruits, herbs. tree branches and bark

[desert arch]

@merry pulsar Pachy being coastal and group leaders boosting the other group members speed for galli was taken from #general-feedback .
They do read every feedback channel, some devs like Punchpacket even discuss here.

[earnest goblet]

they really do read every feedback?

and even this channel?

[earnest goblet]

you can get me going 5 hours about how i love the new spinos reconsturcion and what an amazing animal it would be in evrima if it was a semi aquatic predator

[urban flax]

Also galli being able to turn its head 180 degrees was something I suggested, idk if the devs had the idea of doing it this way before but it's nice to see

[urban flax]

Yep I've had conversations with Punch in here before

[earnest goblet]

oh thats nice

well i hope someday they change their mind about rocks being inaccessible after the 6.5 update

like i get it, heavy and non jumping animals shouldnt be allowed to go on rocks

but utahs? tenos? pachys? come on

[orchid moon]

its most dumb word ive even heard 1. i dont like the SHOULDER feathers, i love feathered dinos but for me they are just too spiky and unmatching

[acoustic yoke]

The shoulder feathers do look a little strange to me. I wish the wing looked more like a small bird's wing

[boreal sequoia]

they look almost like they're supposed to be there but like they're at the wrong angle or something

the shoulder feathers i mean

[rustic heart]

#general-feedback message
I feel like beipi is in a pretty good place, actually. First off, it's pretty simple to avoid deino hotspots, since you can just walk on land for a while and hop back into the river at a safer location (for example while migrating from south to north). Second, I might be lucky here but I haven't seen a lot of deino-on-beipi aggression. Many seem to understand the potential symbiosis of beipi acting as meat-lure and beipi, in turn, being protected from land predators (and sometimes pteras)

[static brook]

You will bring us back the old pachyc! May stune carno again

[desert arch]

That would make pachy ridiciolusly op again for no reason

[tall hearth]

@dusty elbow you can easily escape a croc by just running onto land. Go in a field or in the woods, and run to a different part of the river. Works everytime and it's what beipi is supposed to do. Its 32 km on land, which is pretty fast for being semi aquatic.

[sick crescent]

Nah

[desert arch]

Isnt beipi faster than deino in the water too?

[tall hearth]

Deino has caught me everytime I try swimming. The lunge speed boost is not something you wanna mess around with.

Running to land is the best and safest option

[desert arch]

Well breaching is always an option, but going on land is definetly safer

[tall hearth]

Breaching doesnt give the speed boost needed to get away, especially from younger deinos. Those are even worse cause they have more stam to constantly lunge boost. 0 escape except for land lol

It's fine with me, means beipi isnt untouchable for the land roster like a certain other semi aquatic

[sick crescent]

When you’re young, Beipi is Deino kibble, when you’re an adult, Beipi is virtually untouchable to Deinos

The only time it isn’t is when the water source doesn’t allow Beipi to be that agile.

[tall hearth]

So almost all of spiros waterways

Man I cant wait for gateway and its rivers and lakes

[desert arch]

Man we need gateway

[stone hatch]

Gateway will fix like half of the current gameplay loops’ issues

[tall hearth]

migrations and elders will fix the other half

[mild walrus]

Lol not that person wanting longer nights 😂

[outer yacht]

I’ve died to dienos on land and water as bepi, at least at certain sizes they’re faster than us on land too

[barren zephyr]

deino is fastest at around 30% growth maxing out at 25km/h, then dropping down below 20 before 50% growth

[prime hornet]

how to fix game keeps crashing ?

[icy urchin]

@grim cedar Agree with u except with the remove corpse part, as this will be abused by the community.

[warm rune]

omni is argueably the weakest dino and needs a buff

atleast stam buff

[limber hull]

What

That’s a joke right

[warm rune]

have u played as a cerato? lol

im talking about envirma not legacy

[limber hull]

Omni is fine atm, it only struggles against cerato because cerato is designed to counter it

[icy urchin]

Don't play Omni solo

[limber hull]

High bleed resist tends to be helpful against a bleeder

[warm rune]

it could use a stam buff in my opinion

im solo rn and i cant take it

1 pounce and stam is gone

[limber hull]

I played as an omni recently and had enough stam to endurance hunt a galli pair, it has fine stam

[icy urchin]

Use only pounce in groups so u can recover ur stam

[proven fossil]

don't knock it until you play it

[sick crescent]

Omni is probably one of the best solo playables right now

A good enough Omni can solo basically everything but Stego and Deino

Hell if the Stego is bad enough, maybe even Stego

[icy urchin]

Agreed, but that doesnt count for most players who are average.

like myself

[sick crescent]

Most rn seem to rather bad, but probably due to the huge influx of both legacy and new players

[warm rune]

i dont agree with this

[sick crescent]

No alt attack while running plus removing pounce miss stun has been probably one of the largest buffs Omnis has had without a single stat change

[warm rune]

u cant win against cerato lol

you dont have enough stam

if you have a video id love to see

[sick crescent]

Cerato is a in weird position when it comes to Omni

Omni can quite easily tap pounce a bad or even decent Cerato because a good Omni wont just spam pounce whenever

Good Cerato just stays in mud or something

[warm rune]

if you land a pounce you cannot keep up with a cerato after that

[sick crescent]

I've seen it happen(though without recording), and I've killed two Ceratos as Omni already

[warm rune]

ur stam is gone

[sick crescent]

You don't need to

If the thing runs it dies

[limber hull]

dont hold pounce, get off earlier

[warm rune]

even not using a pounce, the hitbox on a omni is nuts, you get close to a cerato and you get hit with a nibble

[limber hull]

if you stay on and let it buck, you will lose all your stam

[sick crescent]

Desync is the enemy to everyone

[warm rune]

i pounces for less then 5 seconds, i use it to start a bleed if anything

[limber hull]

its not desync as much as it is the fact that alt-bite literally has a broken hitbox on animals like carno and cera

[sick crescent]

No this is what I mean by Omni vs Cerato is weird

Cerato alt bite will DEFINITELY hit an Omni, but you have to guess when the Omni gets off

Bucking removes this factor

It's a guessing game where Cerato is at the mercy of the Omni

Similarly to Stego and Troodon when its on low stam

[warm rune]

only having trouble with cerato, i can confidently kill anything else besides that

its my weakness

[sick crescent]

Cerato has to alt bite to kill Omni or else it becomes like Omnis current Carno matchup

So quite literally, Omni is unbuckable to Cerato to a degree

It's certainly doable as solo Omni, even better if you're good at Omni

Omni tap pounce needs a nerf imo

[desert arch]

I doubt omni can 1v1 anything bigger than a pachy if the enemy is at least semi competent.

[sick crescent]

Pachy is probably the only thing Omni can't reliably 1v1 besides Deino, Stego and Ptera

Omnis punch up ability is way too strong due to how strong tap pouncing is

The fact Omni can 1v1 Carno right now is cursed

Tap pouncing has got to go

[desert arch]

If the prey is bad probably yes, but all they have to do is face the omni and try to trade when it pounces

Competent players wont lose to a single omni

[sick crescent]

@barren crater

[desert arch]

Especially how alt attacks funcion rn

[desert arch]

Are you summoning the omni God? 0_o

[sick crescent]

The Carno God moreso

[desert arch]

[sick crescent]

Bird is the one who notified me how Carno can be solo'd by Omni rn

It's why I agree with Bird wanting to buff at least Carnos normal agility

I witnessed it myself

[desert arch]

I just refuse to believe any semi competent carno player lost to a single omni

It just cant be

[sick crescent]

They never lost because they just ran away from the Omni

Would've bled to death had they kept fighting

[desert arch]

Who was the carno?

[sick crescent]

This is involving several matchups

[desert arch]

No matter how hard I try as an omni I cant solo anything bigger than a pachy, even though Ive mained omni since I bought the game

[sick crescent]

Do you tap pounce?

[desert arch]

All those hours on omni for nothing

[desert arch]

Only tap pounce, except when the prey doesnt know how to buck lol

[sick crescent]

Basically what I gathered from Omni vs Carno is that Omni pretty much goes legacy mode(basically always try to be behind it) and tries to bait Carno turning and alt attacking so it can tap pounce

And cause of the state of 6.5 Carno this works surprisingly well

[desert arch]

Carno being severely injured by omni I can believe, ive done it myself, but it feels so wrong...

[sick crescent]

Your slow realization that it actually might possible

Alt attack changes have completely messed up Tenonto and Pachy though(alongside their other direct nerfs)

Omni at least also cant just out damage Pachy

[desert arch]

Its more like the realization that I actually suck as omni even though I have 150+ hours on it

[sick crescent]

150+ hours aint nothin

[cyan flame]

People do seem to think omni is far weaker than it really is, same with how they consider stego far more powerful than it is :p

[sick crescent]

It’s like how many tap pounces to kill Stego?

It’s certainly below like 15 sometimes it feels

Omni is Stegos worst matchup lol

[desert arch]

Ok Im starting to lose my grip on reality💀

[sick crescent]

Desync hard carrying Stego against Omni

[desert arch]

Desync hard carries everything against omni lol

[sick crescent]

When Tenonto and Stego depend on terrain to defend themselves more reliably from Omnis moment

(Trees don’t really work anymore for some reason)

[desert arch]

Ive been told that some trees like the large palm trees dont work anymore for some reason

[sick crescent]

Yeah they don’t

[desert arch]

The little ferns are more effective lol

[sick crescent]

Tested this earlier today actually

[sick crescent]

Fr

Proves skill issue

[desert arch]

My ego is already damaged enough, this is overkill

[sick crescent]

I feel mediocre on Stego and I have at least 400-500+ hours on it in evrima at this point

Dw lol

[desert arch]

[cyan flame]

You sure troodon isn't worse? :p

[sick crescent]

Troodon suffers horribly against Stego, idk where it kills Stego super good is coming from

[cyan flame]

The stamina drain I'm guessing? Or they do a lot of damage/bleed? But why would they suffer, in some ways they're just even harder to hit/see targets with the same pounce mechanic but additional effects from venom?

[grim cedar]

#fixthegamebeforeaddingnewcontent

[sick crescent]

Nah, Troodon performs worse than Omni generally

[proven fossil]

i like the idea of having different skins have different color combos as opposed to it just being different patterns

[desert arch]

Troodon does seem to be a competent stego killer.
The conclusion that troodon is better against stego is may just be that the effects of the venom are immediate and easy to see.

[rare fractal]

Stego also just sucks at countering them

[limber hull]

Massive, slow tail vs tiny, tiny, quick and agile target

Stego struggles to even see Troodon in time

[stone hatch]

Troodon is a great stego killer it just takes time and coordination, which isnt too hard. But if dondi and the other isle gods decide u will die on its back u will die on its back.

[sick crescent]

A competent bad Stego killer maybe

I’ve fought against even good evrima player Troodons and they get shredded

They can get the Stego to maybe 40% Blood

[desert arch]

Thats carno, but without the competent part

[desert arch]

Just today me and 3 other troodons killed a stego, its not any harder than if we were omni, it may just be easier since trying to buck off troodons actually punishes you.

[proven fossil]

what if when we sleep the screen only gets dark to where we can barely see our dino as it finishes counting down but instead of logging us out we have the option to stay in that screen and heal faster or opt to log out

[sick crescent]

try fighting me and we can see

[desert arch]

That would be just as effective as showing clips of troodons getting killed.

[lusty arrow]

@cosmic gorge Not only cera, stego and deino too

🤡

[desert arch]

How would a carno even stand a chance against a stego or deino?

[lusty arrow]

How would a cera even stand a chance against a stego or deino?

[cosmic gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-gif-25116980

[desert arch]

Scavenge

Do what its supposed to

[lusty arrow]

Pack big enough.

[desert arch]

But also this

[lusty arrow]

If a Omni can, so does a Carno

[lusty arrow]

Replace those ceras with carnos

[desert arch]

Carno lacks the tools to take on a stego

[lusty arrow]

It's literally charge, back away, charge, back away, and so on...

[desert arch]

If you charge a stego you get stunned

And receive some damage

All while the stego 1 shots you

[lusty arrow]

It was always like that?

[desert arch]

Yes

[cosmic gorge]

^^

[lusty arrow]

Because I've managed to take down Stegos as Carno before this ultra nerf, I just needed a pack big enough and a bit of strategy

[desert arch]

Carno, no matter how big the pack is, cannot kill an adult stego

[lusty arrow]

So just bait it to attack you and stop the charge at the correct moment

[lusty arrow]

Am I a hacker then?

[desert arch]

If you land a charge you get stunned

Doesnt matter when you "stop" it

[lusty arrow]

What

If you stop before hitting it you don't get stunned

As I said, bait n' switch

[desert arch]

Juvi stegos under 1.8tons maybe, adults, hell no

[desert arch]

Then why charge?

[desert arch]

Even if you bait a swing you cant punish it because carno lacks the agility

[desert arch]

Goodbye to 10% of your stamina

[lusty arrow]

Carno is literally suffering to play rn

[desert arch]

The stego still knows youll get stunned if you charge it, it server no purpose

[lusty arrow]

And he will get ready to attack once you're near enough

[desert arch]

It scales stupidly well in groups tho

[lusty arrow]

The perfect moment to others to bite his head

It's risky, yes, but that's the fun in playing the isle, and I've managed before

[desert arch]

Which does a measly 350 damage
Also, again, carno isnt agile enough, a smart stego will know it cant get close

[lusty arrow]

once or twice
||probably once||

[desert arch]

But stegos on officials arent that good :p

[lusty arrow]

Also I remember Carnos trying their luck against a single deino, sometimes they managed something

now it's just waste of time, no reward in being that risky

[desert arch]

Carno can tailride deino to death

Did it once, its a rly cool trick

Deinos alt attack has a blind spot toward the end of its tail, so its free damage

[lusty arrow]

Your diet is strict and the things you should prey on have more endurance than you, so defeat your whole existence

[desert arch]

Carno has been made into an ambusher again

Ambush carno is gonna die on gateway

[lusty arrow]

It's already struggling

[desert arch]

Have you seen how big deinos organs are? Those things give MASSIVE amounts of food

[desert arch]

Its still good in groups, although the only thing it can hunt is ceratos, even that is risky

[lusty arrow]

I'm still pis**d that a sub-adult Cera manage to kill me and my duo just because of that chuff buff (Yeah I know I shouldn't fight near carcasses but I was starving)

I had literally nothing to prey on and when we have finally managed to get a fresh Galli a Cera also got interested

[desert arch]

Sub cera is around 700kg, 4-5 charges should have been enough,even with 50% damage reduction

[lusty arrow]

Carno's charge is relatively easy to dodge

And near a cliff we couldn't like charge freely lol

[desert arch]

Basically u5

[eager parrot]

I swear I must have been vsing bad omni players or something

I have never lost a fight against Omnis as carno

[desert arch]

@worldly pecan The devs do read and listen to feedback. Pachy being coastal and the group leader boosting the speed of other group members for galli were both taken from #general-feedback . Some devs, like Punchpacket even discuss here.

[worldly pecan]

Okay good just been a bit silent so most of us were starting to get worried

hence the do they even listen messages in the channel lol

[desert arch]

It may seem like it isnt being read because most ideas have been "reused", and isnt worth adressing

[worldly pecan]

Oh no I get it. We just needed some type of conformation once those messages started springing up in feedback like the one I replied too

[urban flax]

It's not really useful commenting on the 500th time you read "fix servers" or "update faster" in the channel

[desert arch]

The devs put a on suggestion they like/want to implement

[urban flax]

Also since a lot of people who post feedback don't read the channel thesmelves it would change nothing

[desert arch]

You forgot "fix your game"

[worldly pecan]

lol that is too common

[urban flax]

Not really, it's to be able to find it later if they want to check it again
I'd say rather "food for thought" than "we want to implement this"

[worldly pecan]

I mean I read through all the channels so I dunno if that holds through for most of the people. Some maybe but most of us are engaged especially if we go to the effort of posting feedback

[desert arch]

Well I just saw 2 that got marked and both made it in, seemed reasonable to assume this was its purpose🤷‍♂️

[urban flax]

I read every message posted in general feedback every day since the day I arrived on this server. Trust me, most people don't read it.

[worldly pecan]

kk

[urban flax]

Yeah but I don't want people to read your message and get a false hope that it's a confirmation their feedback is gonna be implemented

[desert arch]

Yeah ofc not

Dont want rule 11 to come after me

[acoustic spruce]

Thoughts on soft falls for hipsy?

@barren zephyr I think bone break heals depending on your size, diet & movement so putting a timer might be a little useless but I do see where you’re coming from

[desert arch]

(I love it)

If its gonna climb its a must for hypsi

Id give it to ovi too

[acoustic spruce]

I agree

At least for most of the smaller feathered Dino’s that are smaller than a human, austro could have a small resistance to fall but it wouldn’t be as efficient as the smaller guys

[worldly pecan]

Agreed

In fact maybe, tho this is a very big maybe we give a level of higher drop resist to most small dinos. Which changes with each dino, so less for dryo, more for hypsi and Austro cause feathered. Etc. Since rn the cliffs on spiro are notourious for deaths but maybe we could utilise it. Smaller dinos knowing even if they break a leg the mid tier chasing them will die. Yk more tactical options in gameplay. Tho this could be iffy to do

[barren zephyr]

@wispy jackal you just want to bully players who only like deino until they quit the game because you are too lazy to avoid them while going to drink.

[wispy jackal]

I mean, they are nearly impossible to avoid when going to drink, all water sources have them unless you go to that puddle on the beach or the far corners of the map

[barren zephyr]

Wrong

[wispy jackal]

apexes should NOT be that easy to grow, is the main point. You like playing deino that much? cool, love that for you, but it needs to be a challenge

[barren zephyr]

it is a challenge when solo

you have a problem with people who play together not yhe creature

[wispy jackal]

I do not but okay, carry on

[limber hull]

deino is def too easy lol

[wispy jackal]

^

[desert arch]

Cannibalism hard carries deino

[barren zephyr]

it still isn't to ez

[limber hull]

it is literally easier to grow a deino than a carno, deino just takes longer

[barren zephyr]

if it takes longer there is a higher chance someone eats you before adult

[wispy jackal]

which is good, thats their diet

[desert arch]

Then camp either the swamp or the north east rivers which are full of fish

[limber hull]

the only animal that can eat a sub-deino is an adult deino, and the sub deino just runs away

[barren zephyr]

Ye, so there is no problem rn

[wispy jackal]

if deino wasnt easy, there wouldnt be lots of them

[keen igloo]

And there are lots ….

[barren zephyr]

not after 6.5

[limber hull]

deino cannibalism and fish make growth a breeze

[wispy jackal]

idk man i dont know any other dino that wants to take a croc on, bar steg

[desert arch]

The strategy for escaping adults as sub deino is swimming away now

[barren zephyr]

it's currently not possible to outrun adult deinos as smaller one

[desert arch]

Sud deino is much faster than an adult in the water

[limber hull]

cera is not a threat to any deino that's above 25%

[desert arch]

That is true, you have to outswim them

[barren zephyr]

what speed are they?

[desert arch]

Water speed isnt displayed in the character menu

[barren zephyr]

even in water adult will kill you before u get away, we've been through this

[wispy jackal]

swim away

faster + more stam

[desert arch]

Same here, sub deino is much faster than an adult in the water

Without a doubt

[barren zephyr]

Not faster by enough

[desert arch]

Its MUCH faster

[barren zephyr]

not by enough

[wispy jackal]

simple rule of thumb then if you wanna grow a croc this badly, dont trust big crocs and dont let them close enough

[desert arch]

Still has more stam

If youre vary of your surroundings and see an adult coming you can easily escape

[barren zephyr]

and then you run away for 5 hours just to still die immediately

[amber cosmos]

For now but when we get bary, sucho, spino and others it will probably be hard to grow a deino

[wispy jackal]

good, which is what it should be

[desert arch]

Also if growing a deino was actually hard there wouldnt be an overpopulation of them

[wispy jackal]

THIS ^^^^

[barren zephyr]

there isn't

[desert arch]

Trust me, there is

[jade robin]

Half the time I can hardly find anyone on a full server cause half the population are sitting in the water as crocs, they're so so easy to grow unless you're silly enough to go sit in the hot spots

[barren zephyr]

30 rapters is fine 20 deinos is not?

[desert arch]

Its not

Deino is miles stronger than any omni megapack will ever be

[jade robin]

A raptor can't insta kill everything on the roster except for stego

[amber cosmos]

Yeah too many crocs for sure but I think when Alberto or allo come in that will change people just play croc cause it's the biggest carnivore atm

[barren zephyr]

let people play what they want, if you have problem find better server

[jade robin]

a raptor GETS one shot by most things or at least one bite is enough to make it bail

[limber hull]

bary is around the same size as cera and seems to be a bleeder, basically non-problem for deino
sucho is a wader and doesn't care at all about the deep waters, so it barely interacts with deino and thus barely makes an issue for its pop
spino is the only animal that actually poses a risk for deino
every single other animal on the aquatic roster is too small or too passive to do much to a deino, except for cherius, who is another shallow wader

[desert arch]

Every single server has an overpopulation of deinos

[jade robin]

people CAN play what they want but Crocs are not a good fit at the moment

[barren zephyr]

as long as devs don't cap each creatures player count it's not a problem

[amber cosmos]

I'm talking about growing deinos not adult deinos

[desert arch]

Also cera is massively overpopulated as well, all thanks to cannibalism

[jade robin]

Ai BARELY gives much food to a carno or cera but a much larger croc can survive on fish for some reason which are far easier to find lots of compared to land ai

[barren zephyr]

why?

[amber cosmos]

I think Cera is over populated for a lot of reasons, it's new and not a carno are 2 of them lol

[limber hull]

so am i

[barren zephyr]

so you want to cuck deino players because devs dont like to give you food?

[jade robin]

Since crocs can just swim away from stegos the only thing that is actually a threat to them is other crocs, this is a survival pvp game if its super easy to survive and theres zero reason to fight then whats the point

[sick crescent]

Cerato is like Rex in legacy when it comes to why it’s overpopulating

It’s currently an obvious popular choice and it’s meta

[jade robin]

I don't need AI I spend my time hunting players like the game intended :)

[desert arch]

It is,because:
-more players sitting around in the water, preventing any meaningful interaction with other players
-overall emptier map
-deinos get rid of all the food there is, thus outcompeting all other carnivores

[sick crescent]

Cerato right now pretty much doesn’t function how it’s supposed to

[limber hull]

i mean, we have this, so i reckon we're getting a massive deino difficulty spike in U7, so that's good

[barren zephyr]

deino can only hunt drinkers, not possible to live just from that

even if only one deino on server it won't see enough drinkers to live

[desert arch]

Fish and other deinos would like to have a word

[desert arch]

Thats why ai fish exist

[jade robin]

thank god... then hopefully we'll have less croc players who for some reason think its hard

[barren zephyr]

I meann if you take away fish from deinos

[wispy jackal]

Hurrah!!!

[jade robin]

only drinkers LKJALGKDJFJK the thing that every player has to do frequently

no one wants to take fish away for large things AI are meant to be there to just prevent starvation not keep you absolutly full without issue

[desert arch]

Fish are always there, in abundance and are completely uncontested free food

[barren zephyr]

skill issue if u die to deino

[amber cosmos]

I'm assuming bary and sucho will grow faster so I'm assuming they will be able to bully sub 50% crocs thus making it so less crocs get to 100% specially since they will compete over the same food source

[wispy jackal]

fish should only fill up to 10% hunger like grazing as a herbi

[sick crescent]

Maybe unless if you were certain playables like Beipi and Ptera

[desert arch]

Or we can have actually competent ai that funcion :p

[wispy jackal]

yes!! Im specifically speaking about crocs dw dw

[limber hull]

i very much doubt we will see sucho or bary doing much to a 50% deino. Bary is too small and relies on bleeding, which deino is naturally resistant to, and sucho literally has an entirely different biome it survives in, so it would barely ever see deinos to begin with

[barren zephyr]

then pumpkins should only fill 10% for stego, boars 10% for carno

[wispy jackal]

boars do nothing for carno hunger my guy

[barren zephyr]

fix the map first, then see who is too strong or ez

[jade robin]

What are you talking about do you want stegos to start eating player pumpkins?!??!

[sick crescent]

Carno can’t even survive off of AI that much rn bro

[amber cosmos]

Facts but for adult deino they only give 3% food if anything it just slows down dying of hunger rather then actually being a way to survive as adult. I do think we need a lot more land ai though

[sick crescent]

By that much I can like not at all

An entire school of fish give Deino 8% hunger iirc

Elite Fish give 3

[wispy jackal]

land ai is far more spread out than rivers, and spawns so infrequently

[amber cosmos]

Bro read I said sub 50% aka below

[barren zephyr]

10.5%

[desert arch]

Which is how it should be, it encourages cannibalism, which is badly needed

[sick crescent]

Also Stego is a herbivore so it’s irrelevant

[amber cosmos]

Yup

[limber hull]

okay, so? These deinos are quicker and more difficult to catch, and again, only bary would be a threat to them

[jade robin]

Can't wait to be able to play as a pumpkin so a stego can hunt me to be fair :)

[sick crescent]

Pumpkins in general need to be more scarce

[barren zephyr]

if you want deinos to die more often then growth time needs to be halved

[wispy jackal]

no

[sick crescent]

Hm… No

[desert arch]

Hell no

[wispy jackal]

god no

[amber cosmos]

I highly doubt sucho will play at the beach like you think, nothing goes on there

[barren zephyr]

ur all delusional, only cry about deino when u don't play it

[sick crescent]

They have constantly said over and over, they pretty much want Deino to be the most difficult playable in the game, even over (when it wasn’t scrapped) Titanoboa

[wispy jackal]

i dont play it, its boring and op when fully grown

[sick crescent]

I’d prefer to not have it in the game

[jade robin]

I cannot wait for this croc difficulty spike... if nigel is struggling with crocs now I'm betting they won't get past 20% when they're harder

[desert arch]

I play deino with my friends every other day, and its disgustingly op

[wispy jackal]

deino should not have been introduced as early as it was, we needed more aquatics first

[limber hull]

i never once said sucho will be at the beach, i said sucho will be in the shallows, which we have confirmation it will be

Gateway isn't like Spiro, not every body of water fits a deino

[barren zephyr]

only reason I bought game was to play a huge croc

[wispy jackal]

bad investment then

[sick crescent]

Deinosuchus has a crocodilian kit, it is overpowered by design, it seems the devs know this

[wispy jackal]

play PoT

[sick crescent]

Play Sandbox then

[amber cosmos]

I agree there, I think they should have added Albert to compete with stego not deino

[barren zephyr]

you have skill issue not me

[wispy jackal]

my skill is fine, i play things that require skill

[jade robin]

I wouldn't mind it being really strong if it took effort to grow the strength should be a reward for playing smart, investing time and a hard growth

[desert arch]

Can you explain why you feel like deino is balanced?
It seems like you know something we dont

[amber cosmos]

Sucho will go wherever the action is just like every other playable

[barren zephyr]

you have not brought up a single valid point why deino is broken

[wispy jackal]

yes we have you're just being a stubborn troll tbh

[limber hull]

And it will die to larger predators which can kill it away from water

[sick crescent]

We need Spinosaurus at this point to humble Deinos

[wispy jackal]

no bc then thats all we would see

[barren zephyr]

you bring up points that have nothing to dowith game design but are results of how players play the game

[limber hull]

And then we have a newer, bigger problem than the deinos

[amber cosmos]

That's true for everything in the game kinda a weak argument

[sick crescent]

Not with Rex in as well we won’t

[wispy jackal]

[sick crescent]

If you really want to, then also also add Cheirus

[limber hull]

It's adapted for shallows. It's not adapted for land or depths. It's obviously not going to be great against deinos

[wispy jackal]

if rex and spino came in, evrima would just be legacy all over again

[limber hull]

It's also much smaller than a deino

[sick crescent]

Spino doesn’t have a crocodilian kit either

[desert arch]

-stupidly easy to grow
-can 1 shot anything under 4 tons
-can cannibalise for basically endless food
-has a completely uncontested free ai food which can completely sustain it till adult
-safety biome where its invulnerable to anything but itself
-bleed resistance
-highest bite force in the game
-highest hp in the game

[amber cosmos]

You keep bringing up that it's smaller but we're talking about sub 50% deinos

[wispy jackal]

lunge mechanic is broken and you can drown anything with ease

[desert arch]

Also its main mechanic has 0 counterplay

[limber hull]

Which it may not be able to catch because it's very possible sucho can't dive

[sick crescent]

Can one shot more than 70% of the full roster while also being able to go pretty much completely invisible

Deino makes drinking water luck based with zero counterplay

[barren zephyr]

I could argue every single point but I'm on my phone getting paid at work rn

[wispy jackal]

struggle needs to work also if the deino is carrying prey and being attacked it should drop what its holding

[sick crescent]

Crocodilian. Kits. Are. Overpowered.

[desert arch]

There is no way you can debunk every.single.one.

[sick crescent]

It sucks to go against and is naturally boring to play.

[barren zephyr]

but basically you have a problem with the biggest creature being the strongest

[amber cosmos]

I'm of the opinion they shouldn't have started with the croc and put bary in before it and Alberto to hunt stego

[jade robin]

-its safety biome is water something every single player has to go to constantly (or run to certain parts of the map for safe drink which is tedious)

[sick crescent]

This is not the issue at all

[desert arch]

Its power would be fine if it was actually hard to get to adult

[wispy jackal]

100% agree, and if they wanted to play with a croc kit, use a smaller croc type

[barren zephyr]

maybe give it pink mittens to make it look less scary

[desert arch]

...

[jade robin]

the strongest thing should also be the hardest to grow

[sick crescent]

It’s the fact it can press ctrl and then suddenly water in your vicinity becomes one tap death to everything but Stego and Deino

And it will be this way… for basically 70% of the dull roster

[barren zephyr]

only stongest in water

[wispy jackal]

Good to see everyone is in agreement here bar nigel though

[sick crescent]

And better yet, land playables won’t ever know where you are

[desert arch]

Can bully everything that is not stego on land as well

[sick crescent]

So not only op ability but is invisible AND invincible

[west locust]

Bro it’s literally a big gator tho lmao, it’s suppose to be op. What animal you see today can go toe to toe with a croc beside a hippo

[barren zephyr]

I am the only intelligent person here 🙂

[wispy jackal]

aight

[sick crescent]

This is irrelevant to game balance

[barren zephyr]

no

[amber cosmos]

I mean I also don't think deino will be op as more stuff is added they just put it in at the wrong time

[desert arch]

Realism has notging to do with in game balance

[sick crescent]

Yes

[wispy jackal]

croc is supposed to be op, deino should be strong, it should not be in the roster rn

[sick crescent]

Deinosuchus should not be in the game at all

[amber cosmos]

Facts

[west locust]

What chu want a carno to be able to 1v1 deino lmao

[wispy jackal]

no?

[west locust]

This game is base of realism my guy

[sick crescent]

It is a problem child the devs have acknowledged so therefore they want it to be the most difficult thing in the game besides maybe getting a Type-H strain

[desert arch]

That jumped to the other end of the spectrum quick

[valid brook]

varying on growth size. Raccoons, Otters, Some birds, some aggressive fish. Snakes. Other Gators, and humans

[desert arch]

The dinos themselves arent realistic

[cyan flame]

I think the sentiment is that crocs are overpowered purely because of how they work. As such, they dont work well in a game because of that. Even less so when it's a giant crco like deino.

[desert arch]

Also if we go realism my guy, everything 1 shots everything

[west locust]

But the life style is and that’s obviously what the devs pushing for

[sick crescent]

Remember Deinosuchus should one shot Brachi convos in 2019

[cyan flame]

That's... kind of a yes and no answer. We got pouncing omnis, scorpion stego, charging carno, and other such funny things xD

[jade robin]

also if you want to use this if you go look at real video of crocs hunting zebra and such they do not effortlessly snap it up and carry it off into the water it has to drag it in and even then there are chances it hasn't got a good enough grip and the animal manages to struggle to freedom

[barren zephyr]

i wouldn't mind creatures losing limbs or dropping dead to one bite

[desert arch]

Which made deino the most broken playable in isle history

[jade robin]

I don't know where people are getting the idea that real life crocs one shot everything they look at

[amber cosmos]

I think a simple way to solve this is with better map design with more safe places to drink

[sick crescent]

Besides Hypers of course

And maybe like early 2017 Spino

[barren zephyr]

irl crocs arent 10x the size of the target

[amber cosmos]

Ok that's a stretch

[wispy jackal]

deino to teno is relative to croc to zebra

[desert arch]

I think I dont need to explain my opinion on permanent debuffs again

[barren zephyr]

it's still more than 4x size diff

[sick crescent]

No it is

[limber hull]

it's pretty spot-on tbh

[barren zephyr]

no ty

[cyan flame]

You're fine with a deino dying to one stego jab?

[wispy jackal]

nigel wont see sense, my head hurts

[desert arch]

Hypers werent rly playable to the majority tho, but then Ill correct myself
Deino is the most broken playable in evrimas history

[sick crescent]

I mean they’re quite fine compared to 2019 Deino discussion

[barren zephyr]

It wouldn't die to one if u make it realistic

[jade robin]

correct me if im wrong but last time i check 11 metres is not 10 times the size of 6-8 metres

[amber cosmos]

It's literally a creature you can 100% avoid if your not lazy and go to a safe drinking spot so no its not

[desert arch]

One jan from a stego in the head would kill everything
Deino or not

[west locust]

No it’s not😂 the roster right now ain’t meant for you to 1v1 deino

[barren zephyr]

You can't see this from my pov

[wispy jackal]

no, no I really can't

[barren zephyr]

weight in game

[desert arch]

-stupidly easy to grow
-can 1 shot anything under 4 tons
-can cannibalise for basically endless food
-has a completely uncontested free ai food which can completely sustain it till adult
-safety biome where its invulnerable to anything but itself
-bleed resistance
-highest bite force in the game
-highest hp in the game

[cyan flame]

It pretty much would. Either playable would oneshot each other most likely, so that'd be that.

[sick crescent]

So just go to shallows at the Southern mountain?

[desert arch]

Can you explain how this is fair and balanced to the current roster?

[sick crescent]

Wow I have to stay in one area to not potentially die to the stupid playable

[wispy jackal]

one cera bite to a stego throat or head should one-shot it then if you want realism

[sick crescent]

Also this argument is irrelevant in Gateway

[cyan flame]

Being able to 1v1 it is not the only thing to do with if it's broken or not. There are far more factors than that.

[west locust]

And all that mean nothing when you play a same size dino as deino like stego

[amber cosmos]

Read the weight portion

[cyan flame]

Except 90% of all the things he mentioned does not appy to stego

[barren zephyr]

only problem is that players are piloting animals so they don't act like animals

[amber cosmos]

That's not the only shallow spot, there are spots in every part of the map

[desert arch]

2 deinos can kill a stego, but thats irrepevant to the topic
So you mean that 90% of teh other dinos should just cope with the existence of deino?

[wispy jackal]

just dont drink!

[desert arch]

[barren zephyr]

make a fair map firs then see if deino is too strong

[west locust]

And 2 stegos can kill 3 deino😂

What’s your point my guy lmao

[desert arch]

As they should

[sick crescent]

Deino doesn’t have to worry about Stego unless the thing is trying to be land Deino

[west locust]

Exactly so how are they op

[desert arch]

That deino is overpowered

[wispy jackal]

i think our point has been made clear

[desert arch]

-stupidly easy to grow
-can 1 shot anything under 4 tons
-can cannibalise for basically endless food
-has a completely uncontested free ai food which can completely sustain it till adult
-safety biome where its invulnerable to anything but itself
-bleed resistance
-highest bite force in the game
-highest hp in the game

This

[jade robin]

something being HEAVIER does not mean it can effortlessly pick something up it especially does not make sense that a cera or carno would curl up in it's mouth and happily be carried to the water

[west locust]

You want the tenos to be able to take them on too?😂

[desert arch]

You dont even want to understand my points

[limber hull]

tenos can take on stegos, so why not deinos

[jade robin]

Anyway as I keep saying I wouldn't mind its strength overall if it was HARD to grow

[limber hull]

lmao

[west locust]

Not they can’t only in groups

[barren zephyr]

then remake how lunge kills them, 90% of the time it should because of the size diff

[desert arch]

Ah yes teno beating a stego in a 1v1

[wispy jackal]

I dont think Nigel or RT are gunna back down from their mighty deino perches

[west locust]

And they can do the same to deinos if they were in groups

[amber cosmos]

Kato I mostly agree but it is avoidable. When I'm back in town I'll be glad to show some of yall my drinking spots. Legit haven't died to a deino since October and I was trying to fight that one

[barren zephyr]

I winn not back down if what my opponent says is fundamentally wrong

[wispy jackal]

its all good, but thank you! I can usually avoid crocs

[sick crescent]

I mean everyone is biased for something

[sick crescent]

It’s avoidable only on Spiro

[desert arch]

Hypsi bias is the best

[amber cosmos]

Duh but size is more then length it's also mass I was simply responding to you

[sick crescent]

When we say Deino is like this we’re not just talking about it only in game as it is but how its designed to be

Hence why I was saying it’ll be like this for like 70% of the full roster

Especially since we’re getting Gateway

[jade robin]

I agree I only really die to crocs when I decide to risk it at water and then its kinda 🤷 but the huge overpopulation of crocs is a problem because they're easy to grow

[wispy jackal]

as deino is rn it makes sense for what it is, its just not a good fit for the roster now and it should not be as easy to grow as it is - it NEEDS in-river competition BADLY

[amber cosmos]

Doubt it's going to have a lot of competition to grow

[eager parrot]

I really only see over population in center

Most other rivers are quite chill

[amber cosmos]

Facts

[sick crescent]

Deino won’t have much overpopulation supposedly when Rex is in the game

[barren zephyr]

they are not ez, they are average to grow

[wispy jackal]

wtf is a rex gunna do? swim? lmao

[sick crescent]

As many Deino players rn are like basically Rex mains

[eager parrot]

It will end up being another stego situation

[cyan flame]

I guess rex would appeal more, more encounters, more power, and so on

[eager parrot]

A stand off at the edge of a river

[desert arch]

It will take the ones that wish to play the op dino

[wispy jackal]

yeah ur not wrong there loooool

[cyan flame]

Same reason why a lot of stego players will probably go trike or rex as well

[amber cosmos]

Probably old allo players lol

[wispy jackal]

oh yeah, everyone will drop stego for trike

[jade robin]

yeah but you can see how something that is only a few metres shorter wouldn't fit comfortably in a crocs mouth without struggling right? like why does it curl up in the crocs mouth why isn't it trying to struggle and use the ground to help... lunging from water is one thing but running onto land lunging then walking back to water with no issue is another

[sick crescent]

People will just go the largest most powerful carnivore, and with Rex in the game I can see Deinos population plummeting

Especially with Gateway and Weather

[wispy jackal]

kes is right, there needs to be more of an effort for carrying large, struggling prey

[sick crescent]

Stego players rn won’t just be going onto Trike necessarily

[jade robin]

right now the struggle is essentially pointless even IF you manage to get free you have zero stam and the croc just snaps once

[sick crescent]

I confirmed to myself why many are going Stego rn and it’ll be irrelevant on Trike

[barren zephyr]

deino is only creature I can play and make friends with rapters, carnos and others. Anything else gets jumped

[desert arch]

That problem will also be amlified tenfold thanks to gateways wide rivers

[wispy jackal]

And deep trenches

[sick crescent]

Weather I feel will have more of an impact

Not only will droughts be a thing for Deino to worry about, but also floods when they happen also supposedly if they do add it, create temporary water sources in the form of like mini legacy esque streams

[amber cosmos]

I thought they gave up on that idea?

[sick crescent]

We saw this in old Spiro when they had a bunch of weird mud places in the middle of a grassland

They could have

[barren zephyr]

Grass needs fixing, it just turns to ms paint solid green beyond 20m, dinos are so ez to spot

[sick crescent]

It could also be different now instead of just streams

[mossy canopy]

yes because those smaller dinos are meant to be tough but susceptible to being snuck up on, Deino is 'chill and friendly' because they have no competition and can basically AFK grow

[amber cosmos]

So how do yall think Alberto will fair against stego?

[sick crescent]

Alberto gets atomized

Alberto is a pack hunter so it would probably have to still depend on multiple Albertos

[amber cosmos]

Yeah but I still consider that part of the creature balance

[sick crescent]

Alberto still gets atomized

[mossy canopy]

The thing as far as I see is most apexes will be released to unofficial untill the rosters filled out more and moved into officials later assumedly, it'll just suck that the only Apex who ignores that rule is Deino, but atleast with Gateway there should be more 'safe' drinking spots where the danger isn't Deino but land carni's who are going for the water aswell

[sick crescent]

Alberto basically seems like a more brawler heavy Allo, just you don’t brawl with a Stego the same way you don’t with the brute they call Triceratops

[amber cosmos]

I honestly see them making Alberto play like a fat carno

[mossy canopy]

Alberto kinda is just a heavier Carno

without the 'bull charge' affect

[amber cosmos]

I think it will actually get the bull charge but be able to ram bigger stuff then carno

[barren zephyr]

Honestly wouldn't mind if they buffed Carno's acceleration, it's the reason why it's not a good ambush predator

[amber cosmos]

Facts

[barren zephyr]

You can still juke it, slight increase to the drift at higher speeds.

[mossy canopy]

Also these Dino's who are cannibals, wasn't there only 'one' dino that was ever actually confirmed to be a cannibal and the rest were just assumed?

[barren zephyr]

Then Carno can captilize with it's charge

Knockdown, do tons of damage

I also don't mind if they buff the charge by making it take less stam

I like it with tiny stam, it can use it's speed/charge to try get a kill as quick as possible, or else the hunt is over

[wispy jackal]

I think cannibalism is in diets to population control also bc the roster isn’t big enough yet

[mossy canopy]

Yeah that's what I assumed aswell

Cera is cannibal almost purely because it's meant to eat bodies

[amber cosmos]

I mean to be fair even a majority of today's carnivores are cannibal

[mossy canopy]

including other Cera bodies

[wispy jackal]

Meats meat

[sick crescent]

If only this actually worked

[mossy canopy]

I think there's a difference between being cannibal versus necessity

Like being a cannibal means you'd eat another regardless if you were starving or not

while being a situational cannibal would be 'if' there's been a drought/weather affect that's reduced prey numbers so you eat whatever you can get

[sick crescent]

You can still canni in The Isle as anything

[amber cosmos]

Like how lions will kill and eat other lions that trespass?

[barren zephyr]

Sorta

[mossy canopy]

that's cannibalism but it falls into the territory control aspect of it more than the hunger aspect

[sick crescent]

Muscle spasms and such aren’t ideal sure but out of survival need you absolutely could still canni

[mossy canopy]

well spasms and infertility and reduced growth

not a problem of growth if you're an adult

My problem with both 'cannibal' species we have is that they both don't even need to use it as a mechanic outside of as an excuse to kill others of their species

because both of them can eat rotted bodies and bones, ontop of Deino just having access to near infinite AI that's more consistent than Land Dino's

[amber cosmos]

Isn't carno cannibal or did they remove that?

[mossy canopy]

Nope

[valid brook]

not anymore

[wispy jackal]

It was only cannibal to help keep its numbers down right ?

[barren zephyr]

I think Carno just needs tweaks

It's close to being balanced

[mossy canopy]

Unlike Carno I think Cera will stay cannibal since it's a body scavenger

[amber cosmos]

Poor carno nerfed to death lol

[wispy jackal]

It’s definitely better than what it was as a charging bull

[limber hull]

The cannibalism kept carno numbers up, ironically, most cannibalism is excellent for sustaining and maintaining massive numbers of one animal

[mossy canopy]

true aswell

[limber hull]

It's why I hope rex isn't a cannibal

[wispy jackal]

Huh I suppose that’s a good point

[mossy canopy]

you kill 1 carno and feed 3

so you still create more carno overall

[amber cosmos]

Dude everyone gonna play Rex anyway let's be real

[limber hull]

Cannibal rex will be very easy to sustain massive numbers of. Non-cannibal rex will instead kill each other over food competition, rather than just for easy food

[barren zephyr]

Rex will be so played too,
Meaning that Rexes can have their own ecosystem of just bullying bodies, and eating falled rexes both allies/prey

[limber hull]

Which is why Rex shouldn't be a cannibal. No apex should imho

Too easy to sustain, removes the difficulty

[barren zephyr]

Fair enough, they're supposed to be hard to play as well

[limber hull]

They SHOULD kill each other, don't get me wrong

A rex should want another rex dead for being near its food

[barren zephyr]

Which is why I advocate for diets to stress them the most
Make them vulnerable for most things to punch up if in groups

[mossy canopy]

Deino are supposed to be these ambush hunters but large fish and schooling fish spawn so consistently they don't even need to ambush other Dino's and can comfortably be fully fed all the time

this is made very obvious aswell since their hunger rate is SUPER low

[wispy jackal]

So what’s ur opinion on crocs being cannibals? O:

[amber cosmos]

True but the way food drain is they won't be able to sacrifice the hp and time fighting something they can't eat

[wispy jackal]

Crocs being hungrier would be good

[mossy canopy]

Deino's hunger rate is slow to accomodate for the fact their food is supposed to be sporadic

[cyan flame]

All they had to do, was fix the hitbox, add a 5% or so stam cost on activation of charge, and add a bit more run up time before being able to use it so it couldn't be spammed from point blank, and U6 carno would have been pretty ideal.

[mossy canopy]

except it isn't because fish AI are super plentiful

[amber cosmos]

Deinos can't eat the schools of fish as far as I'm aware

[mossy canopy]

they can

it just isn't diet

[barren zephyr]

Fair enough, it would be close really
With Omni, Teno, Cera directly competing
The playing field would be pretty leveled for Carrno

[wispy jackal]

I miss teno being good

[mossy canopy]

I miss not seeing 20 Cera

[barren zephyr]

Teno was kind of too good imo

Bloodthirsty brawlers

[wispy jackal]

It was a good time wdym

[mossy canopy]

I still think Body-Buff should have a debuff the longer it's active

[barren zephyr]

For slaughters yes

[wispy jackal]

😂 I joke but I do think teno got done dirty

[mossy canopy]

I mentioned it in Balance feedback but Cera's body buff increasing Cera's hunger the longer they use the buff seemed like a decent idea

[barren zephyr]

It did though, wouldn't mind if it was better at escaping than pure combat
Especially given it's weight class

[wispy jackal]

Teno can’t fight back very well and it can’t run either, my poor tenos

[amber cosmos]

That seems kinda dumb like a way to punish you for getting a kill almost

[mossy canopy]

No no