general-feedback-discussion

[barren zephyr]

@queen mortar , after reading your suggestion like 4 times...I still don't understand it

[queen mortar]

thats okay, because i drew a picture

[barren zephyr]

Oh

[stoic lichen]

true💯

[rocky bobcat]

i like the isle better for a name

[small anchor]

@full pewter hi i just wanted to say you that you can toggle auto-alt-bite on/off in configs, it just has that new option but it can still be the way it was

[full pewter]

I’m aware of that and I keep it off, what I mean is that alt bites can’t be used when running anymore. We have to be walking or standing still to use them. Which I personally think is unecessary and raises the skill sealing for combat

[small anchor]

oh really??

omg i was not aware of that what a shi

i mean why they add things that nobody ask to be there

[full pewter]

The only thing the devs needed to do for 6.5 was transfer the game to UE5, fix bugs, and add the Dinos. That’s it! But you know

[limber hull]

thats ridiculous

the concept that U6 was fine beyond bugs, engine and a small roster is just absurd

the sheer quantity of balance issues were as glaring as they could get

also the idea that no balance changes were needed even with 4 new animals to change the overall ecosystem is again, ridiculous

[small anchor]

as always

disappointed again

[limber hull]

lmao as if you actually agree with this sentiment

[small anchor]

[full pewter]

Ok granted, carnos charge was broken in U6

[limber hull]

its technically a stego nerf for all you stego haters out there so take joy in that

[full pewter]

Frankly with stegos I just avoid them, idc what happens as long as they don’t get any faster

[small anchor]

im not stego hater, i hate how the develop of the dino drove people thinking they are the king of the island when playing it abusing of it, but we're not talking about stego right now

[limber hull]

pachy was also absurdly overpowered, dryo needed love, sub-deino and sub-carno dominated everything, tenonto was made worthless by the presence of pachies or carnos

not even mentioning the fact that bad diets actually improved stats

[full pewter]

Wait how? Just curious

[limber hull]

stam ended up getting boosted by bad diet, and the lack of growth meant you could stay in the overpowered sub state for longer

many players just used poor diets to remain a sub-adult

because it was that strong

[full pewter]

The update removing stalls for bigger Dino’s tho? When hit my pachys, I think that’s a bit much. A shorter stall time I think is the better move. And for me this is mostly down to carno, cerato, teno and such still being small enough to look like they’d get a reaction from a pachys ram, but they just keep going like nothing happened. More just a visual problem instead of balance

Also what kinda love do you expect dryo to get? Minus burrowing

Cause let’s be honest dryo is never gonna be good at fighting anything bigger than it

[limber hull]

well, in U6.5, so far dryo has gotten

• Weight buff
• Speed buff
• Agility buff
• Charges to its dodge that make it not cost stam
• Great night vision (comparable to Troodon's)

[full pewter]

Oh wait that’s right, forgot some of those

But seriously devs just return alt bite…

[limber hull]

i'm fine with the change, personally, i dont see it as such a big deal

changes combat significantly and adds a little more thinking to it

[full pewter]

Yea but it just opens situations where you’re not landing moves you intend to, just cause you’re not moving slow enough

I hate the thought of dying for that reason

Also now Omnis can’t land those cool plays with their alt bites

Plus seriously should this even be a factor? Like why? Let us just use the moves we want when we want. Make it predicable for the user

[small anchor]

agreed

[limber hull]

many attacks don't let you use the moves you want when you want

[full pewter]

When it comes to attacks like carnos charge or raptors pounce I get it, but just to turn and bite? Realistically, speed doesn’t determine this

[limber hull]

it very much never made sense that carno could, while running, cease all momentum, turn 180 degrees and bite something

[full pewter]

Well all the Dino’s can stop in an instant anyway, so why can’t this apply to the attacks

[limber hull]

no they can't lol, and i'd rather see the change in combat rather than instantly shut it down

[full pewter]

I’d still rather have the predictability, for the sake of predictability

The combat system in the isle does not need to be more complicated than it already is, it will only raise the skill ceiling

[limber hull]

raising the skill ceiling seems like a good idea to me

[full pewter]

It just makes the game harder for those who’d rather play the game casually, which means it leaves the game for those more dedicated. In summary, it keeps off more players. The system we had before was in my opinion enough for anyone to learn, even some to get more skilled on.

[limber hull]

if you're playing the game casually, why are you fighting so many things

[full pewter]

The isle should be more accessible to more people, it isn’t smash bros

[barren crater]

To a degree I do think that should be the case

[full pewter]

I never said I myself was, im an isle YouTuber. I just want the fighting mechanics to be easier to learn for more casual players so I have more people to play with

[barren crater]

But honestly, carnivores should be harder to play. Teno is a good standard for all playables on how difficult it should be. Everything else is easy

Takes a bit to learn, but it feels rewarding

[full pewter]

Alt bite was the wrong thing to change regardless if they wanted to make carnivores harder

[barren crater]

Yeah I agree with that. Other ways to do it

Carno feels clunky.

[full pewter]

They already made carno much more clunky in 6.5

I disagree with it, but it’s better than this new alt bite, in regards to harder carnivores

[barren crater]

Everything is harder with the alt changes (while pachy gained a lot)

Can't run and claw attack as teno

[full pewter]

I’ve said before, but this really shouldn’t be a factor

It just creates situations of “why ain’t I landing my move?”

“Oh! I’m moving too fast” it’s a dumb reason

[barren crater]

I think if there were more attacks or ways to do stuff as an alternative, I wouldn't mind the change

but we don't have those changes so we're left with nothing but worse gameplay

[full pewter]

If you wanna talk about the situation of a teno chasing a carno, the only other option they’d have is their bite, which won’t do anything

The only benefit to new alt attacks is that they don’t use stam now, which logically doesn’t even make sense. Deino lunging it’s 6 ton body 180 degrees definitely doesn’t take any large amount of energy to do right??

Even on the smaller Dino’s this still applies

[limber hull]

ironically, deinos alt-bite does take stam

[barren crater]

Deino alt bite takes stam, 10%

[limber hull]

which tbf is probably for the best

[full pewter]

Wait in 6.5?

[barren crater]

Yeah

[full pewter]

Ah okok at least they left that

Still should apply for the rest

Having to keep track of speed is just a bit much for something as in the moment as combat

[graceful raven]

@rough socket by sniffing you can already access a sort of compass

[full pewter]

@bold stratus that’s not what I mean, I mean that you have to be walking or standing still to use alt bite

[robust dome]

@gentle zinc bro wrong channel but no its closed

[agile roost]

@gentle zinc The hoard testing is over, you'll have to wait for the release.

[stray spruce]

What do you think 👇
#general-feedback message

[rough socket]

yes but we dont see N E Z W maby put then in wen we sniffing

[jade brook]

@unreal ridge i'm not against terrain having more effects but i think random chances to just slip up can get frustrating very fast

[unreal ridge]

probably, it would have to be very low, and like I described, only when running or making a tight turn but that might be hard to code

[jade brook]

I think impaired movement, or like a light stutter in the movement would be less aggravating (and probably more realistic), than going full prone with an animation, IF anything

[jovial hazel]

I personally feel like deino alt bite in the water costing no Stam could make deino vs deino much more interesting and not affect much else.

[fallen river]

Wait does Carno not have galli on its diet💀

[placid iron]

nope

[limber hull]

it used to cost no stam, it made every deino spam it and beyblade around the place because the alt-bite was quite literally faster, and every deino v deino fight was (and still is) who can alt-bite the most for the highest DPS

[narrow nova]

Deino alt bite does 500 dmg,and some times normal bite only does 360 dmg

It's a bug or what？

[limber hull]

what

[narrow nova]

Don't you see some situations that deino can't one bite kill Omni when hit body？Deinosuchus normal bite dmg sometimes can't reach 500, it's only 360

[limber hull]

then it's a tail bite

[narrow nova]

No

Test it

Tail bite don't does that much

[limber hull]

if you bite the base of the tail, it does 60% damage. 500 * 0.6 = 300. It's a tail bite

Tail tip and tail base are two different hitboxes

Tail tip takes 10% damage, tail base takes 60% damage

[narrow nova]

Ok and deino can't 4 hit kill teno

[limber hull]

it can

if it doesn't hit the tail

could also just lunge and instantly kill it

[narrow nova]

Come on just test it pls

Anyone play deino knows that

Try it with stego friend，normal bite his head，only 720 dmg

That why deino vs deino always use alt-bite

[limber hull]

they use alt-bite because it's faster

and it is

[narrow nova]

You're so insensitive to data

[limber hull]

i am literally arguing off nothing but data

data says the bite does 500 damage

[narrow nova]

So I think it might be a bug

I think it has something to do with the animation, if deino just bites with his mouth open, the damage is only 360, whereas if deino has a forward displacement bite, its damage is normal

So when deino move on land,bite dmg is not 500，but when deino stop on land,their bite animotion changed to that forward displacement bite, its dmg is 500 as the data said

[rocky bobcat]

where are yall getting these epic dino sketches lol

[icy lion]

If you're talking about Glory and Stello's posts, those are from official concept pieces by Tapwing. They're posted in #phase-two-archive and #isle-phase-three

[rocky bobcat]

i havent even looked in those! such cool stuff

[marsh juniper]

@swift herald maybe Sinornithosaurus will be a better choice? its size and abilities are colse to microraptor(a little bigger and don't have the second pair of wings), but hey may have VENOM in real life lol

[rocky bobcat]

@low vapor lol i suggested that, it got downvoted to hell, then someone else suggested it in other words while literally replying off my post and got hella upvotes

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-it-gif-18812641

[low vapor]

Maybe there's a reason. Show me your post and then the other dude's post

[rocky bobcat]

lemme find it

idk how to do all the linking and stuff

agile dinos should be able to jump, but the heavy ones do need a step up animation that was his

[low vapor]

you can take a screenshot instead

[rocky bobcat]

all dinos should be able to jump. even if just a tiny bit. not being able to go over a 1 inch ledge as a big ass dino is dumb. || since yall dont like jumping, how about a STEP up animation. or something. idk. help me out here

too late ive already done it

his is more to the point ig, poeple prefer straight forwards ones

i edited it to be a step animation cuz the jump one got downvoted, which i understand

https://tenor.com/view/it-wasnt-enough-papyrus-snl-ryan-gosling-gif-15360518

[low vapor]

maybe you weren't be specific enough. you need to explain to some sort of depth. you suggested the idea, but didnt explain how you think it should play out. give examples of how it could be used in an actual scenario

[rocky bobcat]

unfortunately am no dev, suggestions for gameplay is all i got in me

[low vapor]

if you're implying that you said all dinos should jump at first before editing your comment and suggesting a step-up mechanic instead, that's probably why you got the downvotes. your first suggestion was bad. but by the time you edited it, it was too late and most of the people probably moved on

[rocky bobcat]

i changed it within like 10 mins i think

dont matter rlly. just found it entertaining

[rocky bobcat]

for those downvoting ptera mechinic; can we please have just one fun thing lmao. all we do is die and catch fish

[graceful raven]

i love ptera but its too big to latch onto other dinos without looking weird

[rocky bobcat]

ptera is too large to latch onto stego, carno?

i said large dinos! obv not ones smaller than the bird lol

raptor thats 10x bigger and 10x heavier can do it, but not a weightless bird with sharp ass talons and long ass beak?

[limber hull]

i dont agree with it doing bleed

that'd make it an annoying mosquito

[graceful raven]

a stego/carno can definitely hold it but it simply looks weird to have a whole ptera stuck on your side

[rocky bobcat]

its better than a flying paper weight lmao

literally any mechanic other than the (nothing) we have would be nice

[rocky bobcat]

dont most movies and stuff portray flying dinos as swarming and latching on and pecking. it wouldnt look any weirder than a large raptor hanging onto something

can latch onto solid wood tree but not dino flesh, kinda wacky

lmao can latch onto solid rock but not dino flesh

[runic steppe]

Trees don’t have constantly changing hit boxes

[rocky bobcat]

that wasnt the point

raptors can do it but itd be impossible for pts to? why

[runic steppe]

Raptors hold on for at most a couple seconds and it’s already a buggy mess cause of weird hit boxes

[rocky bobcat]

i dont play raptor much, is it buggy? i never noticed

[runic steppe]

And it is the point because it would be an unnecessary yet very problematic mechanic to code

[rocky bobcat]

assumed it worked right

[runic steppe]

They’ve been fighting pounce bugs since it’s been implemented

[rocky bobcat]

i guess i never noticed it buggy. definitely makes me reconsider a flying dino being able to do it if raptor doesnt work right lol

[buoyant dove]

@thorny hull The idea of iguanadon being able to effectively fight GIGA is a bit weird but what about it being extremely dangerous for dinos like allo or carno?

[thorny hull]

not fight with a giga, but rather defend yourself in a similar way as pac does with carno

attacking and running

[buoyant dove]

You mean the teno vs like carno matchup?

likes a little bit more since

[thorny hull]

no, because a tenonto can kill a meat if I got defensive

[open bear]

No, a teno can kill a carno he means something like pachy vs carno where pachy manages to fracture the carno and then run

In the case of the iguanodon, bleeding

[thorny hull]

but the difference is that an iguanodon would be able to stun a giga with the claw attack

and run

[vital laurel]

@blissful nova what new utah model?

[rocky bobcat]

iquana dino cool as heck

[full pewter]

The size difference between iguanodon and giga is pretty big though. Against an Acro and Alberto I’d expect them to stun like you’re imagining but a giga is a bit much

[thorny hull]

same thing a pac stuns meat that is 3x its size

[full pewter]

Not in 6.5🤷‍♂️

Pachy won’t be stunning carnos after that, still should be some kind of animation to show a reaction

[thorny hull]

because they were using pac to kill instead of running away

[full pewter]

Yup, pachys can still kill carnos though don’t be mistaken, just a lil more difficult now

[thorny hull]

but they removed the stun because the carno could not react

I'm sure an iguanodon claw attack with its strong arms would be able to do something to the giga

[full pewter]

Tenos can still stun carnos though😉

[thorny hull]

but the tenonto is a defense only dino so they left the stun

[full pewter]

Then why are there so many aggro tenos

[blissful nova]

i heard something about a new utah model, from somewhere. and it would be cool to see if they add feathers or not

[tiny egret]

#general-feedback message

everyone who disliked this is a stego player lmao

[full pewter]

Apparently they wanted to add a proper Utahraptor in the future. They said it’ll be a tankier stronger version of omniraptor

[blissful nova]

now that would be cool

[full pewter]

I made a post about it in general feedback on my personal speculation, check it out

[cyan flame]

And everyone who liked it is a deino player obviously.

[blissful nova]

hey thats pretty cool thats exactly what i was talking about

[steel smelt]

@tawdry oyster Horrible idea, this would make it very easy to trample hatchlings and smaller dinosaurs like dryos that stick around other larger herbivores

it also has no proper use case

[tawdry oyster]

The mechanic could be like “on command”

[steel smelt]

it's useless though

name one use case for that mechanic

[tawdry oyster]

Raptors attack, one raptor falls, Teno goes for a trample

[steel smelt]

or just alt attack them 💀

[tawdry oyster]

It’s just a suggestion 🤷‍♂️

[normal lotus]

Iirc dinosaurs will get trample like that for dinosaurs

[tawdry oyster]

Latching onto trees is a thing too and it’s useless af

[normal lotus]

I believe during the beginning of evrima(back when it was called the recode) one of the devs said that pretty much all dinosaurs can should trample will trample.

[steel smelt]

I think they should fix the games horrible graphics before adding trample

[normal lotus]

They are. Have you seen 6.5 spiro? It's actually not that bad. Ands that's SPIRO. You should see some of the shots of gateway

[steel smelt]

gateway looks great 6.5 spiro looks... alright

[normal lotus]

Better than U6

It actually looks good at night@steel smelt

[steel smelt]

Yeah

Idk how they managed to mess up the lighting so bad

back during update like #2-#4 it was amazing

[tawdry oyster]

To be fair the performance on that map is terrible

[normal lotus]

The FPS from what I've heard is better

[tawdry oyster]

It is better than before don’t get me wrong, but it’s still not good, especially when you travel to the center and northern areas. My FPS goes from 45 to 10

[normal lotus]

It's more the problem of hotspots

[rocky bobcat]

@cosmic thorn i started to agree but what about calling to eachother? dinos need to communicate verbally to find/get along with eachother. that would eliminate the need for that

i kinda already dont like that u can see where ur peeps are from long distance

[cosmic thorn]

I was playing Troodon for a bit, and you hear 1 calls coming for literally every direction since everyone's looking for each other. Being able to see your group leader when using scent would lower the spam calling a bit, and it would also make the group leader position more meaningful.

[rocky bobcat]

once ur already in group u can just see a floating nametag tho. maybe ur mechanic could replace that. that would be interesting

[rocky bobcat]

@dusky solar thanks for that suggestion. i tried to make one but didint know what it was that was happening exactly

i called it artifacting lol

[dusky solar]

no problem, its honestly ironic because in some games TAA actually can cause it, however in this game it fixes it

I haven't tried the other ones, just TAA and DLSS. Someone in my Galli group said they were getting it with FSR and that confirmed it for me

[faint folio]

@twin merlin Generally speaking, stress tests are done to try pushing something to peak capacity, to verify that it won't fail under normal load. In games like this, that usually translates to stuff like making sure the servers won't freeze or crash unexpectedly, that they can handle full servers 100+ players for hours or days without lagging or crashing, that they can tolerate hundreds trying to connect without players getting dropped or lagged to the point of unplayability.

In short, to test optimizations to make the game run better and verify how much more optimization they need

[tiny egret]

you’re not wrong

[cyan flame]

How do we determine what other players think?

[last lily]

Put their brains inside a machine?

[cyan flame]

Fair enough xD

[barren crater]

@vestal storm Omni won't pin Dilo.

[vestal storm]

Better not, but knowing the isle

[lucid robin]

#general-feedback message
heres another image of what it should look like

[barren crater]

Nah Dilo is massive compared to Omni. Larger than Pachy - 700kg~

[vestal storm]

Yes but realistically it was 400kg sooo

[barren crater]

They base their sizes off Nova's chart iirc + there is no shot Dilo is being pinned.

[vestal storm]

I hope so, im not the dilo man for nothing

[barren crater]

Bring back 510kg Galli

[vestal storm]

What is it

[barren crater]

They nerfed the size. It was 510kg, now it's 425kg

[vestal storm]

L

[unreal ridge]

How can you be against adding apexes to official, at some point they are going to have to be added to the official servers

It doesn’t have to be soon but it can’t be never

[barren crater]

That's if they can't balance them (Which IDK how that wouldn't be possible unless they decide to keep them OP and untouchable)

[thin trellis]

Down the 6.5 servers down

[unreal ridge]

That’s not even an excuse, leaving them unbalanced on community servers falls into the same thing that happened in legacy

One creature (cough cough Rex) made a majority or decent chunk of the entire server population while others are in 10 or less players

[barren crater]

Not really? If you can't balance a dino, why even add it to officials?

Maybe in combat it can be strong

but survival should be harsh + growing

I think making Rex balanced isn't hard though.

[unreal ridge]

If you can’t balance a Dino you shouldn’t add it period

Intentionally leaving out a huge portion of the game that most of the player base is looking forward to is simply wrong

You can’t just show me the new spinosaurus, giganotosaurus and Rex and then tell me I can’t play them on official

[barren crater]

I can agree with you there. It isn't hard to balance Rex imo. I also want it on officials.

[jagged holly]

#general-feedback message @rocky bobcat, this is supposed to be a horror game, why not have longer nights becaus ebeing unable to see gives people uncertainty, especially with the new dynamic night vision. Also if it is day for longer than certain species will be at a huge disadvantage for example Troodon which hunts best at night and by draining the victims stamina. What the players want is not what the players need

[rocky bobcat]

but we all have nightvision that allows up to see perfectly fine throughout the entire night. its not spooky at all lol. troodon can be seen at night just as well as it can be seen at day

there is no "night hunter" when ever dino has the same vision and can see eachother perfectly

[jagged holly]

yeah but dynamic night vision ranges

you can still be stalked unknowingly

[rocky bobcat]

the only time this game felt like horror is when i played as human with no nightvision

at the end of the day you WILL see any dino that comes at you, before it hits you

[jagged holly]

and with stress test there is dynamic vision so maybe check your facts

still more night is better you can't argue against that

[rocky bobcat]

yes. yes i can. and so many other people as well

[jagged holly]

everybody has the same capabilities visually at day and night is different which allowed for more dynamic gameplay

[rocky bobcat]

the only thing night time does is make you see black and white imo lol

its never made me feel scared, or vulnerable

because i can see just fine

[jagged holly]

cool

but even if it isn't scary, it still creates dynamic gameplay and benefits certain species which are disadvantaged at day

[rocky bobcat]

i really dont think it adds any gameplay at all. i played troodon. stealthed tf up on a dino; guess what? he saw me. the dino can see fine

it would make sense if there were creatures in the game with 0 night vision

but everyone can see at night so i just dont get where these added dynamic gameplay mechanics are coming from

[jagged holly]

I don't know if you read anything I sent, but the troodons night vision is superior to all other dinosaurs so far by a decent margin, it is still able to stealthily follow dinosaurs, I'm not talking about breathing down their backs???

[rocky bobcat]

so night is drastically longer so that one dino can look at me from a distance? seems pretty useless.

[jagged holly]

if it doesn't impair your sight then why must you have longer days???

[rocky bobcat]

didint say anything about longer days

[jagged holly]

you complained about longer nights in your main post and said the community wanted longer days?

ya trippin'

[rocky bobcat]

pretty sure i stated that people complain about too much night

[jagged holly]

and you referred to longer days

[rocky bobcat]

Ah i did type that

[jagged holly]

"we've been asking for more daytime for MONTHS"

[rocky bobcat]

well i dont want longer days, just less night

[jagged holly]

you implied you did because the post said we've not they've

[rocky bobcat]

when i typed that i kinda meant less night. dont know why i worded it like that

what i said in general feedback dont change anything either way tho

too much night. adds no gameplay. makes things colorless; thats pretty much in

it

[jagged holly]

if I'm not mistaken update 6 had 45 minutes day and 30 night, I don't see a problem with half and half honestly

[rocky bobcat]

and if all this "added dynamic gameplay mechanics" is just watching a dino from a bush that cant see u then idk. no point in debating that cuz i think thats dumb

thyler was saying earlier it was something like

either 40 and 40 or 60 and 60. so tbh idk

[jagged holly]

50/50 is fine

it's also realism

[rocky bobcat]

the issue isint that its a fair split between day and night

idc about longer day

i saw like 30 people within an hour or so since the new stress test say "holy cow its still night"

making jokes about how long it is, having to just sit there and do nothing

[jagged holly]

they choose to do nothing at night

The Isle players suffer from AFK syndrome where unless necessary you stay afk doing other crap

[limber hull]

night is now brighter and has more forgiving NV

[jagged holly]

^

[limber hull]

if you choose to not engage with night, that's a you problem

[rocky bobcat]

"dynamic gameplay mechanics right there"

[limber hull]

what

[jagged holly]

also at night there is tonnes of things you can do, if you're slower like Beipi it is the perfect time to get food since it is more difficult to see you

[rocky bobcat]

noone said that

[limber hull]

i said that

[rocky bobcat]

then u talking to urself?

we were talking about lenths

[limber hull]

its a statement

[rocky bobcat]

lengths

[jagged holly]

mr.mega is saying relevant facts

it is completely up to the player to stay dormant during night

[rocky bobcat]

i mean yes its pretty self explanatory that when you go afk and dont play then complain about no content thats a you problem

[jagged holly]

personally I like longer nights because aside from what's been mentioned earlier it is also the best time to get water since deinos can't see you from far away before you get near the source

[rocky bobcat]

ill say what i said earlier, cuz theres no real reason to debate this stuff cuz we got no control about it either way

[jagged holly]

that is true

[rocky bobcat]

night time length in survival games has been a major issue in pretty much every one ive ever played. everyone complains about it. 80% of people hate it, but nothing changes. i think its a broken record on the devs; not the players

[rare fractal]

Personally I just don’t play during the night

[rocky bobcat]

but then again, most games dont have nightvision that allow u to see pefectly

wso its a bit different here

[rare fractal]

The game loses half of the reason I play it, which are the visuals

[rocky bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-nod-agree-gif-15074372

people really like playin this in black and white ig

[rare fractal]

Not really saying it’s indicative of a broader issue with it, just that personally it forces me to…turn the game off

[rocky bobcat]

"dynamic gameplay mechanics" hehehehe

[rare fractal]

It can do that

[jagged holly]

it's a survival game, so what if you can

[rare fractal]

It just doesn’t currently

[jagged holly]

not see in colour

[rare fractal]

That’s not necessary for good NV

That’s just how it is currently

[jagged holly]

so you're saying we need better NV?

[rocky bobcat]

wonder what actual dino nightvision looked like

ITS ALREADY OP

[rare fractal]

Yes, current NV is quite awful

[jagged holly]

bruh

[rocky bobcat]

I CAN SEE MY MEAL FROM 3 DAYS IN THE FUTURE

[jagged holly]

depends on species

[rocky bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/get-that-nonsense-outta-here-gif-10985475

[jagged holly]

carno night vision is punishing

troodon night vision is crazy

[rocky bobcat]

to be fair i havent survived carno long enough to know how well it can actually see

[rare fractal]

Like ideally NV is based moreso on shadows than a sight radius that borderline effects nothing about your gameplay aside from either making it unbearable or entirely normal

[jagged holly]

you can see everything just in black and white

[rocky bobcat]

the whole map? wtf mine wasnt like that

u sure u werent bugged lmao

[jagged holly]

troodon?

[rocky bobcat]

yes lol i played it earlier

[jagged holly]

troodon can see really far

approximately 150-200 metres

[rare fractal]

Noooooo

It’s not that far

[jagged holly]

Carno is maybe 20-30

[rocky bobcat]

so, lmk hyunet. how is that useful. other than being able to avoid dinos that want to kill u

[rocky bobcat]

dayum

[rare fractal]

It is

[jagged holly]

following dinosaurs with far less night vision

[rare fractal]

Because you can also spot food from further, they can’t see you while you do it

[jagged holly]

dryo has 2nd longest night vision (I think) and it can't see nearly as far as troodon

[rare fractal]

But the entire version of NV we have now is dumb regardless

[rocky bobcat]

dryo got HUGE eyes too

[rare fractal]

It does have benefits and drawbacks, but both are just…lame

[rocky bobcat]

i think the range on it adds good mechanics.

[jagged holly]

I liked the lines one but it gave you a massive headache after long enough

the lines one was more motion based rather than black and white where it's super easy to see everything

[rare fractal]

It’s mechanically incredibly lazy, doesn’t even allow any sort of environmental advantages per species because NV applies equally in all levels of light

[rocky bobcat]

i just like to see color. thats 98% of why i dont like night. i dont mind the length, just the amount of time my eyes get bored

[jagged holly]

true

[rocky bobcat]

BUT; with 6.5 maybe i can just live in plains areas under the moonlight. that gives me some color

[jagged holly]

I will say your point about colour does have merit

[rare fractal]

It’s so easy to make a NV system with colors too

[jagged holly]

since the game is supposed to be very vissually appealing

[rocky bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/go-ahead-you-do-that-gif-8449095

i dont even know of another game that uses nightvision in any kind of similiar manner. where u getting this crazy idea thats it so easy to do?

[jagged holly]

would be cool if aside from NV range different dinosaurs had stronger or weaker intensities so maybe a troodon could see a lot further but not as intense as say a dryo which has less range, but it wouldn't make much sense because Troodon would let more light into its eyes and therefore see with higher intensity and farther

[rocky bobcat]

i think they need to release some mammals or something that have no night vision. that would REALLY add some night time gameplay

ooooh i would play the heck out of those

[rare fractal]

Just base the aptitude of the creatures NV off of how well they can see in areas not effected by direct light, like the moon. So creatures with poor NV like Carno can not only…play the game without losing their mind, but also so animals with stellar NV can play normally in forests whereas for something like a Carno it’s just black, needing to stay in the plains to see at all, but in the plains they see quite well

[rocky bobcat]

thats just a concept. thats not an actual written code thats implemented into a game

"its so easy tho"

[urban flax]

"Look at a black screen for 30 minutes" gameplay
People would love it for sure
(Also mammals have usually better night vision than other animals)

[rare fractal]

Is that what you expected me to provide you?

[rocky bobcat]

rip didint know that

[rocky bobcat]

no but saying its easy to do and then saying nothing other than an idea in ur head is laughable lol

[jagged holly]

you should join The Isle dev team and make NV please since it's easy, expect it in update 7.0, get choppin'

[rare fractal]

How? It’s not particularly difficult to implement because we already have a system in game similar to that via night time lighting already, and yes, I have a concept

What about that is so funny

[rocky bobcat]

but we need some prey creatures to play in my opinion. not everyones tryna be a HUGE SCARRY POWERFUL DINO

[urban flax]

We have hypsi, dryo and beipi

[rare fractal]

And Galli

[jagged holly]

I want hypo beipi

[rocky bobcat]

dont you dare call my bepi a prey animal

[rare fractal]

And to an extent, pachy

[lapis swallow]

And ptera

[urban flax]

Hyper*

[rocky bobcat]

i kinda want one that has a night time disadvantage

[rare fractal]

Like Carno

[urban flax]

What do you define as a prey animal ?

[rocky bobcat]

and imma be real honest guys. i never play those i forgot they exist

[urban flax]

Ptera has no predators

[rocky bobcat]

it was a joke

[jagged holly]

minmi since it is amoured would still be viable as a small dinosaur with crap night vision (since generally speaking the smaller dinosaurs have better night vision in the isle) and in compensation it could also have a better sense of smell

[lapis swallow]

The flying fish. They are up there for a reason

[rocky bobcat]

lmao good one

[rare fractal]

A good sense of smell doesn’t provide you any info that compensates for poor nv

[rocky bobcat]

i want an omnivore flyer so badddddddddddd

[rocky bobcat]

tru unfortunately. maybe they could implement dino scent tracking or something

[rare fractal]

God no

[urban flax]

that would be OP

[rocky bobcat]

just lil hints of a sniff downwind :p

[rare fractal]

RIP stealth

[jagged holly]

searching for food, besides the point, try to think of a small tier that has already been proposed that would be better to lose the night vision lottery

[rocky bobcat]

hey you guys are ALL about realism until the realism is something u dont like

[urban flax]

None of us ever mentioned realism

[rocky bobcat]

ur not the only one in here, and yes we have discussed realism

[rare fractal]

Searching for food is also borderline irrelevant to what NV aptitude provides you. NV primarily is for detecting and adapting to threats, scent doesn’t even engage with that

[rocky bobcat]

pretty much 99% of the suggestions get shot down for realism instead of gameplay mechanics

[jagged holly]

omnivore flyer would be unbalanced though pteranodon already has no issues finding food so how is it unbalanced??? besides flyers are already paper literally so why do they need to not be omnivores?

[rare fractal]

Who’s wanting strict realism

[urban flax]

no

[rocky bobcat]

alot of people

[rare fractal]

Are any of them the people talking to you rn?

[lapis swallow]

Im gonna do a funny here and say that realism does not matter.

[urban flax]

Pretty much 90% of the suggestions get shot down because they are terrible

[lapis swallow]

Yes

[jagged holly]

address the questions and find a better canditate which is a small dinosaur for getting poor night vision

[rocky bobcat]

disagree. things that would totally add fun gameplay; extra things to do as lesser played dinos, gets shot down for realism

[rare fractal]

Oh ok, the answer is proto

[jagged holly]

protoceratops and why?

[urban flax]

Show me an example

[jagged holly]

it is a lot more fragile than minmi so wouldn't it be useful if it could see farther?

[rocky bobcat]

no. go look yourself. theres plenty

[rare fractal]

Because fragility doesn’t necessitate better vision, proto also has burrows, and can block entrances with its face

[jagged holly]

and how fast can you dig a borrow?

[urban flax]

I always check the feedback channels and read every suggestion. I also always read this one and I very rarely see suggestions being "shot down" because of realism

[jagged holly]

inside the few seconds something can approach you with bad vision?

[rare fractal]

Probably quite slowly, why is that relevant exactly?

[rocky bobcat]

not gonna let u disagree and say im wrong for u not to even check urself lmfao

[jagged holly]

besides aside from being a tank minmi can also hide underwater

[rare fractal]

Ideally you already have a burrow dug in which you live in

[urban flax]

When they are they're usually blatantly incoherent, or someone else comes in to disprove the realism argument

[rocky bobcat]

not all of em are like that!

[lapis swallow]

No, you are saying that is like that, you have to give examples. You threw this argument in the room, give evidence

[jagged holly]

theoretically like all the rest proto would have to drink every 30 minutes and have to leave the burrow

[rare fractal]

Wait actually….why do either of these animals need poor NV, give both incredible NV I don’t see the harm

[rocky bobcat]

damn you intelligent man. fine.

[rare fractal]

Unless you don’t build the burrow next to water this isn’t an issue

[jagged holly]

I don't see the harm either though Das said it'd be cool if there was a small tier that had poor night vision and I think minmi would be the best candidate since it is already armoured and can submerge in water

[rare fractal]

Sure, it’s just….why tho

[jagged holly]

because it's dynamic

[rare fractal]

What isn’t

[jagged holly]

why should all small tiers have lazer vision

[rare fractal]

Because they’re all incredibly fragile, even the armored ones

[rocky bobcat]

wtf so many people post to that channel constantly this is gonna take years

[rare fractal]

Like Minmi gets folded the moment anything nearing carnos size or larger shows up

Deino deletes Minmi

[jagged holly]

small tiers generally are small, fast and see well (at least at this point), so why not make a well protected one that lacks in the other areas such as sight and speed?

[rare fractal]

Because it’s not actually that well protected

And it exists near and alongside deino

[jagged holly]

just don't put minmi on deino diet and they're less inclined to kill them

[rare fractal]

Oof

That’s never stopped anything before

[urban flax]

This doesn't work

[jagged holly]

surely every deino player isn't an absolute sadist who would kill minmis?

[rare fractal]

Yes

[jagged holly]

surely you wouldn't kill a minmi?

[rare fractal]

They all are

[jagged holly]

couldn't find any minmi gifs

[rare fractal]

Deinos complain that there is a single animal in the roster with the capacity to threaten them only when on land

They’ll do anything that proves they’re the superior lifeform

[rocky bobcat]

i cant find any.

https://tenor.com/view/go-ahead-and-judge-me-judge-jeanine-pirro-saturday-night-live-weekend-update-go-on-and-laugh-gif-21736876

they r out there somewhere. i know it

[jagged holly]

juvenile minmis would be so adorable, I can't imagine a deino in their right mind would kill a minmi?

[rare fractal]

The amount of beipi’s I’ve already seen executed by deinos…

[jagged holly]

good point

[rocky bobcat]

lol its crazy people are playing deino in stress test

was deino even changed?

[urban flax]

People who play deino aren't in their right mind

[rare fractal]

It’s still the strongest animal in the game with no threats

So why not play it

It’s a free apex with no worries

[rocky bobcat]

... to test the new dinos?

[jagged holly]

I hope there is an armour system so that say Utahs deals 65 damage and Minmis armour takes off 20 or 30, so if something was still too small it can't damage minmi would be pretty cool

[rare fractal]

We’ve actually already got that

[jagged holly]

?

[rare fractal]

Cerato has it when eating

[gloomy breach]

stego:

[jagged holly]

ohh damn nice

[rare fractal]

Not even comparable

[jagged holly]

wouldn't even be difficult to implement

[rare fractal]

Mhm, considering it already has

[jagged holly]

you could argue we can use it to buff deinos because of their thick skin

[rare fractal]

Oh god

[jagged holly]

buff deino

[rocky bobcat]

i wouldnt be mad at that tbh lol. they are supposed to be an apex

[jagged holly]

dondi needs to see this great idea

[rocky bobcat]

ill hate deinos either way

[rare fractal]

They already are

They’re an uncontested predator that hunts everything in their ecosystem

[jagged holly]

I can see this being implemented when solid apexes other than stegos are added, but definitely too soon to add armour to deinos

[rocky bobcat]

do we want realism or good gameplay for this sorta thing tho

[rare fractal]

Never prioritize realism over quality balancing

[rocky bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/i-couldnt-agree-more-john-krasinski-saturday-night-live-youre-absolutely-correct-thats-right-gif-20212746

[jagged holly]

if we had realism deino would 1 bite stego 😦

[rare fractal]

Like if deino is getting armor, it’d need counterbalancing

[rocky bobcat]

tell the people that didint hear you in the back of the room please

[urban flax]

And stego would 1-hit kill deino as well

[jagged holly]

true that

[rare fractal]

Ironically most animals would 1tap everything

[jagged holly]

realism to a point

[rocky bobcat]

a stego swipe to the head would absolutely insta kill a deiono

[rare fractal]

Like even omnis would onetap stego

[jagged holly]

no?

[rocky bobcat]

wdym

[urban flax]

Hmm
If we wanted full realism stego would have gular armor so no :P

[rocky bobcat]

what in the hell is gular armor

[rare fractal]

True tho omnis existence is a physics defiance anyway

[urban flax]

Armor on the throat

[rare fractal]

I don’t even know how its strength translates

[rocky bobcat]

why do you know that xDDD

[jagged holly]

in concept arts you can see dinosaurs biting others' necks so will it be implemented where certain dinosaurs can just come up from behind and break your neck instantly?

[urban flax]

Because I also read the paleotalk channel

[rare fractal]

Our stego lacks gular armor, an Omni bite to the neck would kill it

[rare fractal]

No

[rocky bobcat]

they got da thick skin, no?

[urban flax]

no

[urban flax]

Irl it had bone armor

[rare fractal]

Irl stego does

Moreso bone

[rocky bobcat]

ye i just saw a picture thats insane

never heard of that before

[jagged holly]

can't get into stress test for the life of me

any of you know when the restarts are?

[gloomy breach]

same girly pop

[rocky bobcat]

didint know there were any lol

[jagged holly]

as soon as I said that I got in

booyah

[rocky bobcat]

ayyo

enjoy troodon ya night lover 😛

[jagged holly]

playing beipi actually

[rocky bobcat]

why cant pteras have something nice

please explain why every mechanic that could be added to ptera is bad lmao

yall hated the idea of latching to giant dinos, and picking up small ones and dropping them to kill. yall really just want us to fly and do nothing lol

very frustrating

[urban flax]

Why is every mechanic people want added to ptera picking up other dinos ?

[rocky bobcat]

its.. not?

[urban flax]

Your suggestion is
Most of the other ones are as well

[rocky bobcat]

this is the first time ive seen that suggestion, i just retyped his cuz idk wtf he had going on

[urban flax]

And the "latching on bigger dinos" isn't usually downvoted, unless it comes with dealing bleed to them, which was the case in the last suggestion

[rocky bobcat]

i would take latching onto large dinos with literally no damage

[urban flax]

I think I've seen it a good hundred times

[rocky bobcat]

congrats

its a good idea

[urban flax]

With no damage it's fine
But the latching with no damage has been suggested a lot of times and it's usually not downvoted a lot

[urban flax]

Ptera picking up dinos ? Hell no it's not a good idea

[rocky bobcat]

i just want to be able to something other than fish and die lol

how tf do you think they hunted prey irl my guy

pecked at it while flying full speed?

[urban flax]

Irl they were fishers

[rocky bobcat]

i think we should stop discussing our topics cuz i disagree with about 100% of what u say

[urban flax]

And they ate small lizards (and probably rodents as well) in which case I assume they landed in order to eat them and swallow them whole

[rocky bobcat]

birds today pick up prey and fly off with them, but a big and strong af dinosaur doing it is crazy? lol ok

[urban flax]

Yes, if you don't tolerate differing opinions, then you should probably stop discussing in here

[limber hull]

irl ptera ate fish

[rocky bobcat]

nope. just urs

[limber hull]

that's not comparable because that's not what ptera did. You want quetz for that

[rocky bobcat]

well ptera is the only flying dino if we have if u guys havent noticed. and it does nothing so... lets give it something

[urban flax]

Is ptera a bird ?
Weren't you previously on the side of "gameplay over realism" ?
Do you realize how big the other dinos are compared to ptera ?
Even hypsi is half its weight
Have you noticed ptera isn't raptorial at all in its build ?

[limber hull]

comparing a ptera to an animal that picks up and kills prey is like comparing a seagull to an eagle

[rocky bobcat]

yes im 100% sure a ptera couldnt pick up a baby raptor or ANYTHING similiar

[urban flax]

Why does it have to be an unfunny, unfair and annoying mechanic for killing dnos you have no business hunting in the first place ?

[limber hull]

literally dude, just wait for quetz

thats the exact animal you want

[urban flax]

As a ptera you can pick up small dinos
When they're already dead, like everything else

[limber hull]

ptera is not meant for that

[urban flax]

I don't see in what world ptera needs to be able to pick up live dinos

[rocky bobcat]

so ptera is intended to be a useless dino other than scouting, fishing, and dying

[limber hull]

no

[rocky bobcat]

then what is it

[limber hull]

if you consider ptera a useless dino, that's a you thing

[urban flax]

Why do you even care about the existence of ptera if you want fighting
Just play carno, like everyone else

[rocky bobcat]

youve obviously never played ptera

[limber hull]

i have

[rocky bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-drool-gif-22172583

[limber hull]

i enjoy playing ptera as a flying animal that can explore and view the world

[rocky bobcat]

if you wanna have fun on a dino just play something else headass

[limber hull]

can you have a single argument where you aren't being demeaning?

[rocky bobcat]

not when the statements make me question humanity

no

[urban flax]

take example on me, I'm doing it right now

[rocky bobcat]

dont like how the dino is? play something else. very constructive. thanks.

[urban flax]

Not all dinos can be made to cater to your specific preference

[rocky bobcat]

noones asking it to. ive asked very broadly very many times to add ptera the option to do anything

[limber hull]

really, dinosaur argument brings your faith in humanity into question? that'd be funny if it weren't so sad

[rocky bobcat]

i would take anything lmfao

[limber hull]

ptera has already got options, it's clearly not your playstyle

[rocky bobcat]

yall done yet?

what are the options

go ahead; list em

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-scoobydoo-uhoh-ruhroh-gif-19389191

[limber hull]

scavenge, literally do anything involving its entirely unique movement system, explore the map, watch things unfold from a safe distance, hunt troodons/beipis/hypsis, mess with animals nesting, make their own fun

[rocky bobcat]

that was 3 things

scavenge, scouting (exploring flying around with movement, watching things unfold, and animal nesting trolls

[limber hull]

man if you can't have fun with literally flying around as a ptera, idk what to tell you

[rocky bobcat]

thats the literal only fun part.... thats the entire issue my guy

[limber hull]

what can carno do? run, hunt

does that make it bad? no

[rocky bobcat]

damn thats a good point

[limber hull]

(well actually in U6.5 it's garbage but that's balance discussion)

[rocky bobcat]

but still, i wanna do somethin fun on ptera; same as i wouldnt complain carno getting added mechanics lol

[limber hull]

if you wanted something cool for ptera to do, I'd want it to dive

[rocky bobcat]

yooo that would be sick

[limber hull]

not only did the irl ptera do this, it'd be awesome to go between water and sky

[rocky bobcat]

underwater fishing and stuff

see? i can be agreeable :p

https://tenor.com/view/i-can-be-nice-marianne-normal-people-ill-be-good-im-not-all-bad-gif-21176263

[cosmic thorn]

Ptera is a great dino for when you just want to chill and have fun and not worry about the Dino Wars

[rocky bobcat]

wish there was a less passive flying option

[urban flax]

You can still kill carnos as a ptera

[rocky bobcat]

sure, you can. but you wont lmao

[urban flax]

Some people do it

[rocky bobcat]

ill believe it when i see it

we talking 100% health to dead? or fighting something else 30% health to dead

[cosmic thorn]

I hear they're adding a new flying playable in a future update called Asteroid. It's introduction is bound to make quite a splash.

[rocky bobcat]

im a fan of this.

[urban flax]

100% health to death
What is the carno gonna do ? Fight back ?

[rocky bobcat]

yeah. desync gets me killed by carnos from miles away all the time

[urban flax]

Not as a ptera
Carno can't hit up

[rocky bobcat]

they get me sometimes; but i think its more server issues than intentional lol

deinos too doo

do too

[twin merlin]

Who up queueing they system rn

[unkempt sparrow]

where do you put the feedback for bugs on stress test

[stray spruce]

I think here: https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/783214088456896513

[faint folio]

I've seen one of my friends pecked carno 100% to death by ptera

[cosmic thorn]

Ive seen a streamer attempt it. I think he would've gotten the Carno too eventually if the Carno hadn't panicked and ran off a cliff.

[proven ledge]

did the update just launch ?

[rocky bobcat]

lmao

[jovial hazel]

It's been done. Full killing a carno with pteras.

[faint folio]

@stoic otter it's supposed to be a "mating dance", like herons, ostriches, eagles, and many other birds do. If the female matches the dance, then the pair bond

[turbid condor]

am i the only one constantly connecting

[stray spruce]

What do you think about Megalania? 👇
#general-feedback message

[faint folio]

@tall silo consistent 40 fps is definitely playable. Ideal? No. Playable? 100%. >15 fps is what I'd call truly not possible to play. At that point you're watching a slide show

[warm horizon]

how do i unistall dx12

[tall silo]

I just don’t understand why my frames were so much better b4 update 6.5. I had higher graphics and was still at least hitting 60 fps.

[faint folio]

What's your hardware like? I know unreal 5 (especially with all the bells and whistles) is a lot harder on hardware than unreal 4

[tall silo]

I’ve got a i7-8700 that’s over clocked to 4.28GHZ, 16 GB of ram, and a rtx 2080. My cpu is almost constantly at 100% while running the game and my gpu is only at 20%.

So after dying and respawning I’m getting a constant 60 on high graphics so I’m not sure what the issue was before. Maybe spawn location?

[unique shell]

i have to ask did they even beta test this version? it runs just as bad ever since evrima came out

this game really needs a Que system

[faint folio]

To be fair, it's launch day. Every game gets slammed on launch day

[unique shell]

@faint folio has nothing to do whit Launch the exact same problems still exist since verions 1.0 evrima

adding more dinosaurs does not fix the game if the game it self is so poorly optimized and not user friendly

i really wonder if they are letting people beta test the game that are critical or do they have yes mam yes sir beta testers

[vast mortar]

its called being prepared

[brazen dagger]

Yeah with how full the horde and playtests were 24/7 im amazed they didnt bother to add more servers than this once they announced 6.5. that or a functional queue system

[unique shell]

because the develepors dont listen or wont just say wy they dont do things

they wont even read this channel lol

[cyan flame]

@tranquil crag They are by no means underpowered, aside from maybe carno that does have some issues it seems. But cera is plenty powerful and deino, despite its nerfs, are still one of the most op playables in the game. I doubt cera needs more biteforce, carnos issues are not about its biteforce, and if deino had that level of biteforce, it'd be outright unstoppable, and would also pretty much never need to ever use its lunge.

[tranquil crag]

deino has double the bite force of rex. do i need to say more?

its bite is too weak for its size, especially comparing it to the irl animal

[cyan flame]

Yes. A, you're wrong, that is not the case irl, and B, this is a game, where deino is designed to use it's lunge to punch "down" and not bite things to death. Consider your lunge your "biteforce" if you will, you can one-shot things up to 4T with it.

If you wanted to balance things base on realism, well, it wouldn't make for much of a good game, to say the least :p

[desert arch]

Deino getting 1 shot by stego

[cyan flame]

So while you can, potentially say that irl deino had greater biteforce, it doesnt matter, ingame it's just a damage value, and will be balanced as such.

Deino does 500 damage with bite, it's not "biteforce", it's literally just damage.

[trail mason]

@tranquil crag just to let you know making those changes to bite force will require changes to the herbivores as well. I feel like pachy would be bulldozed with those changes (especially the Carno bite)

[tranquil crag]

that is fair i guess, But Deino is supposed to be a apex hunter right?

[lapis swallow]

no

[tranquil crag]

hm thats a fair point

[desert arch]

Real apexes will delete deino

[tranquil crag]

"Real Apexes"?

[cyan flame]

No, it's not. Spino has been said to make it swim away, and I doubt rex and giga, or trike would be any more pleasant for it to interact with. Aside from maybe if they go swimming in deep water, in which case you can probably at least make them regret it. Consider Gateways wider rivers, even a rex might not want to cross if there's the risk of two adult deinos in there.

[tranquil crag]

so Deino is a high mid tier then?

[desert arch]

Apexes that are meant to hunt things in, or above their weight class
Deino is a punch down animal

[cyan flame]

Stego and deino are not considered apexes, trike and rex will be. Or so it's been stated.

If this is because they're not meant to be apexes, or because they currently aren't powerful enough to be considered so, I don't know. But it's been said that rex and trike will be on a whole different powerlevel than deino and stego.

[cyan flame]

Technically you could argue that deino is close to an apex, it's just not one designed to fight, especially not equally sized targets, due to it having the lunge in game and how it works.

[unique shell]

Deino is not ment to be strong or hunt deino in the hope trailer is Sqauers off agianst a t rex

[tranquil crag]

hm okay, i honestly hate that deino isnt the strongest carnivore but ig its fair since this game isnt supposed to be accurate in any shape or form

still feel like cerato needs a little damage buff tho

maybe not 200 but still a bit better then carno

[unique shell]

if a deino cant even handle a stego then the hope trailer is false advertisment

[cyan flame]

I mean, it's the strongest, most "overpowered" if we look to all of its stats as a whole, and one of the most overpowered playables in the game survival wise (which is the measure, since the point is to survive, not fight), aside from maybe ptera.

A well played deino only dies to another two deinos, pretty much.

[cyan flame]

No. Because the only thing we see is them hissing/roaring at each other, nothing more or less.

People just took that scene to mean they were going to fight, which it seems is not going to be the case

[unique shell]

you dont sqaure off if you dont get ready for a fight

you run away

beside the entire hope trailer was false advertisment so i dont even see wy i feel the need to defend my point 😛

[cyan flame]

That's just your take on it, but sure. But things can and do change, so there's that too. As it stands, deino is not equal to rex in the game, simple as that.

[unique shell]

that are facts most of that trailer is still not in the game

[loud obsidian]

what is Pachycephalosaurus 360 attack? ?

[unique shell]

but i dont really care about that what i do care about is performance

[cyan flame]

I meant just your idea of what that particular scene meant, I don't disagree that the trailer in general didn't apply to the game :p

[cyan flame]

The alt attack I think

[desert arch]

Alt + lmb

Didnt Filipe confirm that deino will kill rex in the water, but rex will kill deino on land?

So in a sense they are "equal"

[unique shell]

devs say a lot take it whit a grain of salt

[desert arch]

Pretty sure it was in an interwiew

And it makes sense, rex probably wont be able to alt attack in water

So deino can just tailride it to death

I dont think i need to explain the land matchup :p

[unique shell]

what the game need is spino so that there is another thing to challange deino atm it has free reign

[cyan flame]

Seems reasonable. In the water the face is easy to reach, you can maybe attack from the side/under, and well, the rex is swimming, presumably losing stam, so it can't afford to just "fight" forever in the middle of a river. If you got another deino with you, you could probably body block as well, since with 8K health, I doubt even a rex will just bite a time or two and make you go away.

[unique shell]

water combat has to be better though

as of now its very hard to aim and be at the right angle

[cyan flame]

Possibly more so an issue with deino, it's not as if that playable has very good combat in general :p

[desert arch]

Im fine with they way it is now, playables specialised for land gameplay shouldnt be fighting in the water.
I would still like teno to be able to alt attack in water though, if cera can why not teno?

[unique shell]

for example deino on deino action is swim into each other face and chomp the fastest or gang whit a team

[desert arch]

Deino v deino can get chaotic fast if both players use alt attacks

Also getting under your opponent requires skill

[rare fractal]

It doesn’t

You hold ctrl

[grand saffron]

Is it dark to everyone or just my settings?

[turbid condor]

i cannot get in a singer server since launch

[rich oar]

Can anyone tell me how to fix the night vision issue? It’s not even in my settings.

[faint folio]

What night vision issue? Have you tried the x button?

[rich oar]

Tried every key. It doesn’t even act like it exists. It’s also not in my controls settings

[static niche]

If you encounter client performance issues, it's highly recommended that you wipe your Config folder.

1. If running The Isle, exit the game.
2. Open File Explorer.
3. Click the address bar at the top.
4. Type %localappdata% then press Enter.
5. Find "TheIsle" folder. Open it.
6. Open the "Saved" folder.
7. Delete the "Config" folder. Note: This will reset any of your custom settings to their defaults.
8. Start the game.

[rich oar]

I have the “ResetVR” setting twice

[static niche]

Try that, happened to me last upd

[rich oar]

Ty!

[static niche]

np :>

[rich oar]

It worked. Ty!

[tall plinth]

Will the GTX 1660 no longer suffice or something???

[shrewd phoenix]

hey guys, someone claimed an egg and i accepted but they havent hatched and its been a while like this, is it bugged? or am i missing something?

the nest icon also shows up with a ⚠️ above it

[desert arch]

The person may have disconnected, usually that leaves the egg as taken tho..

[shrewd phoenix]

ohh i see, thank you for the response!

[desert arch]

No problem, glad to help

[frank osprey]

I take it that the server cap set to 125 was for stress testing only and wasn’t intended for the updates release?

[turbid condor]

i just keep getting conection lost constantly even tho my connection is fine

really annoying

[ionic knot]

Anyone know how to fix this?

[loud obsidian]

There is a bug when your eating coco it get stuck on your face and does not let you eat normal anymore.

[visual edge]

I saw a general feedback talking about eating/drinking camera lock. I think it should stay, what do you guys think

[visual edge]

press windows+r key and write %localappdata%, find the isle folder, click it and delete the whole saved file, then go to steam right click the isle properties, installed files and verify integrity of game files

[rocky bobcat]

everyone out here starving to death in 6.5 hahaha

[ornate galleon]

fatal error...

[lyric spoke]

serious question why isnt cera on carno's diet?

[scarlet terrace]

carnivores predating other similarly sized carnivores happens opportunistically, but it's not common or ideal necessarily

[limber hull]

the more pressing question is why the hell is cera on omni's diet

the bleed resistant bully designed to obliterate smaller carnivores who dare contest its food vs the small pack bleeder

[scarlet terrace]

I don't understand why either

[limber hull]

not even mentioning the fact that deino is on its diet, but not beipi

[long tulip]

Hey guys my game keep crashing at random times, sometimes as soon as i spawn, other times after a few minutes, i get one of the error from @ionic knot and also a different one simply saying fatal error.

[random drift]

Same Im now deleting (again) saved file , and "Verify Integridy of Game Files" (again)

[long tulip]

it didn't help, I played 1st without deleting any files, and later after deleting the config folder , still the same crap

performance wise it runs perfectly and graphics are amazing, but the crashes are making it utterly unplayable.

[random drift]

Same i just crashed again after I did everything I mentioned. GG's

[long tulip]

could it be from outdated video card driver ?

it could be a lot of things... but i will try updating right now and who knows

[unique shell]

its retarted that a deino can grab its prey but i cant grab him even though we are same size.

[urban flax]

What are you talking about ?

[unique shell]

i got grabbed by a deino my same size and nothing i could have done about it

any carnivore should have that option to hold its prey in place and bite down

[urban flax]

No
If you were grabbed by a deino, it means it was at least twice your weight
That's the rule

And if you think deino grabbing is so bad, why should every carnivore have the same thing ?

[unique shell]

that is not hard to do since deino gains so much weight

to equal the playing field

[urban flax]

By "equal the playing field" do you mean screw every herbivore into being fodder ?

[unique shell]

because thats what herbivores are in real life unless they stick in herds and protect each other

its not like a stego atm has to be afraid of any thing

[urban flax]

1. That's not true
2. This is a game, not real life

[unique shell]

its called a feedback channel

[urban flax]

And this one is called a feedback discussion channel, I don't see what's wrong

[unique shell]

that is my feedback you can be salty about it but wont stop making me suggest things i like to see

so add more realism to the game devs sick and tired of fantasy

the isle logic trodon cant hold a chicken in place 😑

[urban flax]

Realism should never get in the way of good gameplay

[unique shell]

this isnt good gameplay

when grabbed by a deino its game over nothing you can do

[urban flax]

And every carnivore being able to pin dinos their own weight is worse

[urban flax]

That I agree with

But an universal pin mechanic doesn't solve that

[unique shell]

right now deino and stego have nothing to worry about and can pretty much one tap most things

if i can grab a deino at the neck on land that would level the playing field

[lyric spoke]

carno is on cera's diet, bud

[urban flax]

That's because they're two leagues above everything else in terms of size, with nothing in-between

[unique shell]

i am so sick and tired of deino playing sitting camping and one shotting people

[scarlet terrace]

okay, that sucks and I want that removed too lmao

[unique shell]

either remove them or add competiion in the water for them

as of now most daino players even if its above group limit will hang out whit each other

[scarlet terrace]

i think we could have a penalty on eating carnivores in the form of less food given (applying to everything except deino ig)

[unique shell]

there needs to be a game mechanic that forces people apart when above group limit

[urban flax]

There used to be a megapacking scent, but I don't think it's still there
Also it wasn't very well designed

It triggered as soon as you reached the max group limit (instead of when you exceeded them) and it only appeared when you were actively scenting
But it should be alwasy visible from a certain distance

[unique shell]

scent does nothing

when whole group of deino are in one place

just put in a mecanic that if more deino are in place you get massive debuff

[scarlet terrace]

yknow what im copypasting this as a suggestion

when i get to

[unique shell]

a screw it you all have nice day devs never read any of it so wy bother

[urban flax]

They do

[scarlet terrace]

im now feeling less like playing this game because i rediscovered that this server is a hellhole

[unique shell]

they dont have the same complaints ever since evrima came out nothing has chanced i am 100 sure i am not the only one complaining about them

[urban flax]

That isn't true

The fact they read it doesn't mean they have to do everything written in here
Since most feedback in here is quite terrible anyways

[unique shell]

well atleast its nice to be heard atleast

i bet they dont dare sitting down in a channel live whit some one that ask the hard Qeustions

like i said the game has problems since day 1 that never have been fixed

[urban flax]

They do come in #isle-discussion and chat with people from time to time

[unique shell]

adding more dinosaurs and new mechanic does not solve the core problems the game has

yes chat whit people they want to chat whit

i know people that are black listed because opinions

[urban flax]

People always say they get banned for saying the truth
I've seen many people get banned, most of the time they deserved it

[unique shell]

and people that do have there ears on a daily basis are content creators that need the isle for content

they wont shoot them self in the foot

they cant ban me because the fact is the game has deep problems

well they can ban me its in there right but dont count on my support ever agian then

[urban flax]

If you think they'll ban you over a piece of feedback, you spend too much time on reddit

Also mods ban people, not the devs (usually)

[unique shell]

Mods are part of the team so when i say devs i mean company

[urban flax]

Mods are not part of the company

[unique shell]

well i woulnd say this discord isnt like reddit

some people got banned for no good reason

things have happen in the past the devs rather not talk about

a mod pretty much works for the company

does not matter if you get payed or not

the moment you become a mod you do represent the company to a degree

[urban flax]

Then according to that logic so are content creators

[unique shell]

yes

that is wy most of them are baised

[urban flax]

And you and I are too, since we are having a discussion on this server for everyone to see

[unique shell]

no because i am not officialy affilated

[urban flax]

Neither are content creators

They just do whatever they want, and if they are popular enough and are on this server (I don't remember the exact rperequisites) they're given a role

[limber hull]

technically because cera is meant to scavenge carno, not because it's supposed to hunt it

[unique shell]

1 they have direct line of communcation 2 they get early access 3 they get peferential treatment 4 they are the advertisement arm of the the company even its indirectly

none of us has that

[urban flax]

You're describing stress testers here

[unique shell]

they have those perks aswell

[urban flax]

But not every stress tester is a member of the company, that is not how companies work

[unique shell]

all i am saying is that when it comes to feedback i dont think those who have personal finacial intresst are going to shoot them self in the foot by saying to the devs you have a bad product on your hands

[lapis swallow]

Wait, so stresstesters cant sell afterthought to EA so we can have a 50€ update 7 dlc?

[urban flax]

financial interest or not, I don't think anyone smart enough would go ahead and shoot down the game without being constructive on it

[unique shell]

as of now if evrima was sold at store,s it would be pulled out for being a very bad product for the consumer

[urban flax]

That's why it's labelled as Early Access on Steam

[unique shell]

exactly

at this rate the game never comes out officialy

[urban flax]

So that's what I predicted
We got a large update yesterday, and people are already complaining that content is coming too slowly again

[unique shell]

i dont want content

i want them to fix the game first

[urban flax]

They've fixed a lot of things in this update

[unique shell]

performance is still bad. the game still looks grapichaly bad

[urban flax]

Bugfixing and optimization is a constant work in making a videogame, it's not something you do once and forget

[limber hull]

the hell are you on about

[unique shell]

how is it that legacy runs and looks better then evrima

[limber hull]

the visuals and performance have been doubled this update

[unique shell]

not on my rig

[limber hull]

how is it that you believe legacy looks remotely better than 6.5

[unique shell]

want me to make you a screen shot how the game looks on my end?

[urban flax]

Every update they push, new bugs appear
And they have to fix them again
And this is gonna be the case until they stop updating the game at all

[unique shell]

new bugs? floating fish have been problem since day 1

[urban flax]

no

[limber hull]

this is honestly one of the most finished, best feeling updates they've launched in a long time

[urban flax]

The floating fish bug has been fixed 2-3 times, but it keeps reappearing

[limber hull]

i have very little to complain about with this patch

[unique shell]

@limber hull how strong is your rig?

[limber hull]

i keep forgetting

[lapis swallow]

me who cant play because of a fatal error that keeps crashing my game

[lucid robin]

^

[limber hull]

i can look if you want, i think it's okay-ish

[lucid robin]

did you verify the integrity of your game files? if you did, did you update windows and update your drivers?

[unique shell]

let me see if i can get my stat for campre

[limber hull]

in your case i have literally no idea why your computer is being actively aggressive for playing The Isle

[lucid robin]

yeah. me either. it hasnt done this before this update

[lapis swallow]

I did everything, my I updated my gpu drivers, checked if windows needed an update and verifyed my game files thrice now

[lucid robin]

i mean the isle has crashed before but not 3 times in one day

[limber hull]

yea thats odd

[lucid robin]

and it has almost never blue screened

[limber hull]

the update runs like a dream for me

my frames only plummet if there's a metric ton of corpses nearby

[lucid robin]

the FPS and ping are amazing, I love the new update, its just frustrating that ive had to reopen everything on my computer twice and rejoin the isle 5 times for no reason

[lapis swallow]

This is the message that I am getting when I join the servers. the other one is just a fatal error message

the weird thing is, its just the isle that is acting weird. every other game works fine

[unique shell]

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 ntel(R) Core(TM) i3-8100 CPU @ 3.60GHz 12 GB Ram. that is my rig and the game runs super poorly keep in mind i can play games like horizion zero dawn at max whit no problems.

[placid raven]

Does anyone think that the Troodons hit box on tail is really big or is it just lag

[unique shell]

this update has done nothing for me and i am sure there are more people out there untill they fix that i will keep complaining about it well enough trashed back to planet side 2

[barren crater]

Did you also delete your config file?

I had that error and now it's gone

[lapis swallow]

I tried everything. I updated my drivers, verified game files, deleted config files. its crzay

imma delete them again and try again

[barren crater]

Press Win + ctrl + shift + B at the same time. This will restart the display driver. Once your screen stops blinking, try to launch the game again. I also did this

Not sure what else

I did have that issue A LOT though. The whole ST

The only 'fix' that worked was locking my fps to 60

Which isn't fun when you can possibly can more FPS

[lapis swallow]

and it fatal errored again

but thanks for the help. now it just shows the fatal error message and not the longass one

[barren crater]

oof

[barren zephyr]

anyone know why the -dx12 thing comes up?

[low pawn]

Why were so many bushes removed? <-<

this place was once sooo pretty q-q

[silent sandal]

@barren zephyr I have the same problem

[barren zephyr]

yeah its annoying

just downloaded the game again and its not working for me

[barren zephyr]

i honestly hate how long it takes just to get into a server and im not talking abotu everyoen joining, im talking about how it takes 6 years to tell u its full

and also how they still havent fixed the bug where it says smth like 93/100 but its act full

cant even play the game

[dusty lark]

You guys should Buff deino instead of nerfing deino when it was just fine on how it was. How am I and other croc players supposed to run back into the water with a dino in my mouth while a stego is chasing me down. You just made deino no longer fun🤷🏽‍♂️. Not to mention the durability The Cera is absolutely terrible….like gets 1 shot by stego and 6 bites of Carno?

[limber hull]

deino absolutely did not need a buff, and cera is not terrible

[indigo gulch]

you're not supposed to the deino doesn't drag dinos from far inland back to water

[limber hull]

deino is still one of the strongest animals in the game

[dusty lark]

I’m pretty sure they too.

[indigo gulch]

you think it's okay that a juv deino can grab a full grown raptor 500 meters from water and still have enough stam to reach the water?

[indigo gulch]

please tell me you mean only juvs

[dusty lark]

Stam drains really quickly when you have a Dino in your mouth.

[indigo gulch]

and yet you still reach it

[limber hull]

still has the highest health in the game, amazing bleed resist, best bite force, an instakill against anything below 4001kg, best water capabilities in the game, the ability to detect players for free, best oxygen reserves in the game, a wide and varied diet, the ability to eat bones, immunity to cerato bacteria/rotten food, the ability to disengage with anyone by using the water, so on

and you're concerned it can't run a marathon while holding a raptor

[dusty lark]

Barley and it depends on how you hunt a Dino.

[indigo gulch]

mate, a deino isn't a land animal. Its a water ambush predator

it doesnt hunt prey on land

the fact that you could to begin with was ridiculous as it was

[limber hull]

exactly lol

[dusty lark]

As a croc should have those naturally.

[limber hull]

and thus it's strong and doesn't need a buff

[indigo gulch]

and yet you still want more

[dusty lark]

Yeah a lot of people want and are upset they nerfed deino

[indigo gulch]

it's already more than most of the roster yet its not enough

[limber hull]

yea, because deino players want things for free lol

[indigo gulch]

oh no, they removed an unrealistic mechanic that was unfun for 90% of the players

[limber hull]

deino isn't supposed to be easy, it's meant to be an apex-level grow

[indigo gulch]

^

[limber hull]

tbh, I'd expect even more nerfs to come

[indigo gulch]

I hope not

it's hard to keep food levels up around non crowded spots already

[dusty lark]

Might as well take off deino at that point

[limber hull]

honestly, i wouldn't mind a nerf to how big it spawns off as, it's kinda ridiculous how powerful even a juvi deino is

[limber hull]

god forbid the apex-level aquatic be rare

[indigo gulch]

at any rate. Young deinos should absolutely not be able to grab a dino far in land and be able to make it back to the water

a few meters at most

[limber hull]

U6 deino was an absurd joke of an animal that very much did not have to engage with anything

U6.5 is still that, but at least its sub-adult isn't obnoxious

[dusty lark]

I feel like the deino should get more abilities that a croc has. The ability to rip off limbs and drag others down into the water.

[indigo gulch]

you....have that

in the form of right click

[limber hull]

you literally can drag people into the water

that's how deino kills things

[dusty lark]

Drag and grabbing is a different thing you know that right?

[indigo gulch]

you realize its basically the same if you do it from the water right?

you do 1 turn. thats it

[dusty lark]

Drag as in pulling the prey into the water

[indigo gulch]

yeah duh, I'm familiar with the verb

you have basically an equivalent to it

[dusty lark]

A crocs jaw locks and doesn’t let go

[indigo gulch]

its either that or the right click

you cant have both. that would be too much

[dusty lark]

It’s what should be expected from an apex creature Especially a Deino.

[limber hull]

deino is not going to be allowed to drag large prey like stego into the water, because that would be ridiculous and make the animal extremely OP

[indigo gulch]

also, dragging dinos in prevents them from moving. If you team up with ANY other deino, it becomes impossible to escape from

0 counterplay

[limber hull]

Deino is designed as a punch down animal, it cannot contest with those in its size tier without difficulty

large/apex tier animals are generally a no-go for deinos

[dusty lark]

The the point of a croc if you don’t know anything about irl

[indigo gulch]

I WISH stego would be the exception T_T

[limber hull]

i hope to god it isnt

stego is necessary to keep deino in the water

[indigo gulch]

I'm sorry, I missed the part where crocs team up constantly irl?

[limber hull]

having stego just get killed by deino means deino loses any and all valid threats until spino drops

[indigo gulch]

and even if it is true, you cant COMPLETELY break the game balance with ''oh thats what they do irl''

[dusty lark]

And you think crocs are any different from what they were millions of years ago besides their size?

[limber hull]

also funnily enough, deino ain't a croc

its a gator

[indigo gulch]

you think deinos teamed up? Cuse I know crocs don't

[dusty lark]

It’s the same shii

[ruby cipher]

There is more then just official servers to join reason I don’t play on official always full

[limber hull]

no it isnt lol

you can't say "you know nothing about crocs" while also thinking crocs and gators are the same lol

[dusty lark]

They come from the same family just different names

[indigo gulch]

[dusty lark]

They all do the same exact thing

[limber hull]

dude do you actually know anything about crocs lol

[dusty lark]

I know an absurd amount

[indigo gulch]

dolphins and orcas come from the same family, cant say they do the same thing

[dusty lark]

They are related and do most things the same.

[indigo gulch]

sperm whales and blue whales are from the same family, extremely not the same

[dusty lark]

They have different purposes which is why they are different.

[indigo gulch]

tigers and lions come from the same family, hunt entirely differently, have completely different social standards and have different traits, do the same thing

mate, you're comparing apples and pears

[dusty lark]

They do the same thing just different ways. Your proving me right.

[indigo gulch]

they are completely different from each other

[dusty lark]

But do the same things.

[indigo gulch]

just because they eat the same food doesn't mean they are the same

that was the whole point

just because crocs and gators eat the same and are from teh same family, doesnt mean they are the same

THAT was the point

if that's the case I could compare every single hunting bird with ''they are the same, they all eat the same''

now, before this conversation goes completely away from the topic

[dusty lark]

Either way gator or croc they hunt together. So a Deino being the apex Carnivore hunting and working together to drag down a stego into the water is completely possible

[indigo gulch]

deino should NOT be able to go onto land, grab prey and run back. It is a water ambush predator and thats where it needs to be

[dusty lark]

Takes the fun away and being able to make plays.

[indigo gulch]

but it has the realism that you apparently want

pick your poison

[gentle flint]

Not everything is meant to be fun in this game