general-feedback-discussion

[hollow oak]

How do y'all think the Cera is gonna affect the omni?

[rare fractal]

It basically won't

If not just solely depriving it of food

But cerato kinda rolls omni

[languid moth]

It'll be the apex for a bit won't it

[hoary elm]

@pliant musk I’m actually a raptor main, so idk where did that assumption came from, but, it’s not that difficult to escape carnos, just gotta be smart about it, dodge, be sneaky, don’t let yourself be caught in the open plains, it’s really simple, not to mention raptors gonna be buffed in next update, there’s no need for speed buff too

[cyan flame]

@pliant muskAnd anyone agreeing is an omni main, thus also being biased. It works both ways after all.

[graceful raven]

@pliant musk carnos are literally meant for running. i love raptors but it would be silly to make them faster than carnos

[pliant musk]

If there's scientific evidence saying carnos are faster than utahs, then I can't argue with that.

[desert arch]

Even if there was it wouldnt matter because this is just a game
And they arent supposed to be scientifically accurate either

[pliant musk]

then add bones into the pteranadon's wings, like with bats

yet u don't see any cause the game holds some scientific accuracy

[desert arch]

There are already bones in the wing
I dont know what u mean

[pliant musk]

in the wing itself, it's just skin

but Bats have finger bones in the wings to support the flesh that makes up the wing

pteranadons don't have that

[desert arch]

The lore says these dinosaurs were genetically engineered for presumably military purposes, yes it will still resemble the original dinosaur but its still drastically different

[desert arch]

Pteranodons arent even closely related to bats
And the bones in the wing are "absent" because their digits are located differently and the wing itself is only made up by a single elongated finger

Also what does this have to do with omni being faster than carno?

[pliant musk]

it was an exmaple. U said "And they arent supposed to be scientifically accurate either" and I countered by saying "then add finger bones into the pteranadon's wings."

[desert arch]

Thats like saying carno has horns so its scientifically accurate

[gentle flint]

Omni isn’t even a real dinosaur.

[desert arch]

Irl carno charging would break its own neck

Theres nothing to be discussed here

[cyan flame]

First off, it's a game. Second, it's not a utah, it's an omni, fictional and created for the game, closest comparison would be JP raptor. Third, carno is meant to be one of the fastest, omni is not. Fourth, we have plenty of inaccurate playables, omni pouncing is one such thing, if you want to argue that carno shouldn't be as fast as it is, then omni shouldn't pounce, and so on.

[pliant musk]

ight ight, touche

[cyan flame]

Also why would ptera have bones in it's wings, what purpose would that fulfill? :p

That's a strange comparison I think, you're arguing a visual thing, compared to stats related to how a playable works?

[desert arch]

It would look cool... I guess?

Definetly not accurate tho

[cyan flame]

But if you do want to use ptera as an example, consider that it can skim, something it apparently could not do irl, as well as that very silly and as far as I know not very accurate running takeoff for that matter.

[desert arch]

Also its weight
Its still too heavy even after the nerfs

Nothing about it is accurate

None of the playables are

[mint forge]

#general-feedback message
@sullen olive glad to see that I'm not the only one thinking that like fr

they changed the old carno running which was ok, even good but they don't change that sh*t ?

[sullen olive]

Frrrr

Legacy cera run animation is so stiff and ugly, it needs way more movement with the tail and body imo

[mint forge]

it need to be redone completly imo

[sullen olive]

Yeah true

It looks very uh, unnatural rn

[mint forge]

cera feel like it's not even really in contact with the floor, barely getting impacted by its footsteps and worth, his legs rise like wth

[sullen olive]

Literally

[mint forge]

never in the world u'll see an animal having its knee going at the same level of its spine when running

look cartoonish as hell

[sullen olive]

I also think it shouldn’t run with its mouth open either, it looks just weird.

[mint forge]

having its mouth opened suit it well since it's basically a dung eater, man would eat poop if it was added to the game

but they need to change that animation

I don't even understand why they didn't

#general-feedback message
@pliant musk you can actually dodge all of carno attack and with it's over busted range nerf, it'll be easier

[lucid robin]

i hope the devs listen to this for once, but they don't usually seem to change things even if everyone wants them to, so don't get your hopes up too high that it'll be changed

[proud coral]

I mean they remade NV twice literally because people complained about it :O

[barren zephyr]

The only reason I wouldn't want dino slots is because in other games they're often used to revenge kill. Once one dino in a slot dies, they pull out another logged nearby and kill whoever killed them.

It's extremely annoying and frustrating

[barren crater]

It could work with big cooldowns

[candid elm]

I mean tbh most servers besides Official ones have rules against that which you can report people for anyway, especially if there are combat logs that tell you who attacked you.

to me the benefit of being able to have fun playing more than just one species at a time outweighs the cons of the fact some people MIGHT use that to revenge kill or whatever lol.

plus tbh I can't really see people going to that much effort. Unless your other dino is right in the same place you died, chances are by the time you get back there whoever killed you will have left already.

[rare fractal]

They would

In every other game that has mechanics like this it happens often

Both POT and BOB are infamous for it

[candid elm]

Like, tbh, being limited to just ONE dino at a time and then being stuck with it until it dies without being able to swap at all just kinda sucks tbh. Sometimes I wanna play a Utahraptor and sometimes I may wanna play a Beipi or Troodon when they release and I don't want to have to kill off a dino I spent a bunch of time growing in order to switch tbh.

If you're worried about revenge killing you could implement mechanics to prevent that or make it harder to do so, for ex having some kind of cooldown after logging off on one dino before you can swap to another, like 30 mins or something

[rare fractal]

It’d only work if you had to wait an extreme amount of time between logs

[candid elm]

I'd rather have to wait than not have the option at all tbh.

[rare fractal]

It’d have to be like 2-6 hours

[candid elm]

...lmao no? 30 minutes is MORE than enough time for you to move on from a place you killed someone

[rare fractal]

Not even a little

Play ptera to scout nesting locations for ideal prey on other animals, log, spawn in as that animal, go hunt them down

Etc

[candid elm]

even then, after waiting for half an hour they might not be there anymore. And while a ptera can fly around, most OTHER dinos still have to walk and traverse the map normally, and from a ground level it's harder to track things like that like 30 minutes AFTER seeing it from the sky

It's not exactly plausible that someone would bother to do that as a common occurence.

[rare fractal]

It happens in every other game that has that as a feature

[candid elm]

Also ngl I play games like Animalia, a game with slots, and I don't think I've actually ever been revenge killed lol

[candid elm]

Because no other game has ANY sort of cooldown

a 30 minute cooldown, I'd think, is enough to discourage it.

It's just not WORTH it at that point. It's a waste of time.

[rare fractal]

Just set it at an hour or 2 instead

What’s the rush

[candid elm]

being able to have fun on another dino sooner? 30 minutes is plenty of time to discourage revenge killers or scouters imo. An hour or more is just kind of unnecessary and excessive.

I mean I'd still rather have that than no slots at all but still.

[rare fractal]

I think the extra security is necessary

Especially with nesting becoming a more incentivized practice pretty soon

Best of both worlds is for the official slot change to be on a 6 hour cooldown, with an adjustable timer for unofficial servers

[urban flax]

If you want to change dinos, you can also play on another server...
You can have an omni on one server, and a teno on another one
And there isn't a cooldown for switching servers

[candid elm]

Yeah, no... if I'm playing on a particular server there's probably a reason tbh. I don't want to have to swap servers all the time. Doing that makes it hard to even keep track of which servers you have which dinos on

Like if I find a nice active semirealism server I'd rather be able to just. Stick to that server, and freely swap dinos.

as much as I hate animalia bc it's a buggy ass asset flip, I've gotten v used to their slot system and going back to the Isle is just kinda like. Damn. Why do I gotta pick just one lmao

[rare fractal]

I feel like that's calling into question why any player might be limited behind a decision they make in a game

Like why play any individual class instead of literally all of them

But I suppose that's a different topic

[candid elm]

in 99% of games with a class system, you can swap to a different character of a different class

for example, WoW: I play Druid, Rogue, and Evoker actively.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rare fractal]

And there are games where you can't

I'm just not a fan of demonizing a lack of class flexibility because other games do it well

[urban flax]

Is WoW a survival game ?

[candid elm]

no lol

its World of Warcraft, an MMO, but they mentioned "class" which is usually an MMO thing so

there is a difference between "class flexibility" and "the ability to literally just play a different character"

[urban flax]

You can treat the different dinos in The Isle as different classes

[candid elm]

imo the ONLY reasonable concern with having character slots is the possibility of revenge killing but that is easily solved with a cooldown for swapping

[urban flax]

But in The Isle, there are penalties on death and gameplay elements that makes it so allowing players to switch characters instantly will lead to unfair and toxic gameplay

[candid elm]

...not really?

you still have to grow every individual dino

[urban flax]

Revenge killing, you mentioned it yourself

[candid elm]

again, cooldown fixes that

[urban flax]

Also scouting like Fluff mentioned

[urban flax]

Yes, and I agree with Fluff there. The cooldown would need to be quite long, like an hour at least.

[candid elm]

if you had a 30 min to an hour long cooldown to even swap slots for example.... that fixes that problem. if you die, you could either wait out the cooldown or restart on that slot.

I'd rather have the OPTION to swap dinos with a cooldown than to not have it at all tbh

I have multiple dinos I'd like to play. I don't like spending time growing a dino just to kill it off, and I don't like spreading out across a bunch of servers

[urban flax]

Don't unofficials already have workarounds to give multiple slots per player ?

[candid elm]

On Legacy, yes, with Discord bot injections/caging systems. Idk about Evrima tbh.

[rare fractal]

Evrima doesn’t have an injection system like legacy did, I’m completely ignorant to the logistics of why but I know on Evrima unofficials it’s not currently possible

Ideally that kind of system isn’t necessary for servers to manage as they see fit

I’m ok with the infrastructure for slotting existing, but on officials it has to be incredibly restrictive

[candid elm]

as long as it can exist on unofficial servers I'm happy with that ngl

I tend to play on unofficial anyway

[rare fractal]

Understandable

That’s probably where our respective perspectives are stemming from

I can’t stand outside regulation during my gameplay

So I only ever play on officials or unofficials that are functionally just….officials with better ping

[candid elm]

personally I prefer unofficials bc I like realistic gameplay and people on Official almost never actually play "realistically", they just wanna form big groups and kill anything that moves for the hell of it lmao

on official you're allowed to corpse guard as an herbivore which is Extremely Annoying for carnivores just tryna eat for example

like if I just spent a bunch of time hunting a stego and its herd decides I don't get to eat the body...................

[urban flax]

That's why carnivores are better off picking a member off the herd

[rare fractal]

I actually think it’s unrealistic to not corpse guard, so the official experience immersed me more ironically

You’re going against the best interests of your animal by allowing your main threats to eat :p

[urban flax]

Exactly
In nature predators try to isolate a weakened member of an herd so when everyone is running away they're not eating it while being surrounded by 60 frightened and possibly angry herbivores

[outer sphinx]

There are also plenty of clips of herbivores protecting their dead calfs for ex, and more

Or mortaly wounded

[rare fractal]

Mhm, herbivores aren’t stupid, moose are literally the golden example of preventative homicide

If they kill the threats when they’re off guard they won’t congregate and be a problem later

The idea that hunting is some sort of sport for animals that the result grants the victor a reward by fair trade of skill and tactics is just hilarious to me

And then when a herbivore guards said corpse it’s a borderline ethical violation….when in actuality there’s nothing anyone would truly prefer more to steal a corpse than an animal that can’t consume it

Because if you win the fight, or it gets bored, you get to eat

Trike comes along, guards corpse, can maybe be fought off or just get bored and leave

Rex finds corpse, picks it it up, leaves

[candid elm]

If it were the norm in nature for herd animals to defend corpses after predators manage to kill their prey, then no animal would be able to eat herd animals. A pack of wolves would have to fight off an entire damn herd of bison after a hunt... but that doesn't actually happen in nature. Yeah, sure, sometimes mothers will guard their dead calves, but eventually they realize they're dead and give up. Most herds of animals will abandon a weak/dying or dead herd member, rather than stick around just to pick on and harrass the predators and stop them from eating lmao.

[outer sphinx]

Bc irl theres a thing called... preservation, the most important thing to any animal is surviving, in TI... dying is at best an annoyance

Also not all animals are as smart or bold irl, many are very skidish

[candid elm]

exactly. there's this thing called preservation. thus it's more realistic for a herd of stegos to move on after a herd member dies instead of continuing to guard the body and harrass the carnivores trying to eat it. Ingame on official servers, people don't really care, so they corpse guard. Thus why I prefer unofficial servers.

also even from a non-realism standpoint that shit's annoying lol

[rare fractal]

Unless it isn’t

Because some herbivores aren’t like that

Hippos Buffalo moose etc

[candid elm]

the ones that tend to live in large herds are. You never see a whole ass herd of bison harrassing wolves off their kill lmao

[rare fractal]

I mean…that happens

And Cape buffalo travel in herds as well

They often kill their predators unprovoked

[outer sphinx]

Elefants are prob the biggest perpetuator lol

[rare fractal]

Them too

Also the idea that stegos are meant to be herding animals is hilarious

The idea of any apex existing in groups of 3 or more is funny enough

[candid elm]

I mean people play them that way so

[outer sphinx]

Stegos are like... THE herd animal, after hadrosaurs, imo

[rare fractal]

People play literally every animal as a group animal

[rare fractal]

No they aren’t, at least that’s now how the games designed them to be

[candid elm]

another reason why I prefer unofficial, those tend to have reasonable group limits lmaooooo. like not allowing 10 rexes

[rare fractal]

And irl we have more evidence of solitary lifestyles for stegos rather than group ones

[outer sphinx]

Ye im thinking more irl not game, bc in game ye, they are like duo (pair) at best

[rare fractal]

Even irl stegos weren’t too chummy

[outer sphinx]

Ah, the more you know

[rare fractal]

They were more like allos where they didn’t congregate deliberately, they collected moreso as a mob when there was “blood in the water”

Allo death holes…etc

And they were notorious cannibals

We actually have more evidence for allo cannibalism than we do for any other dino

[candid elm]

Another thing you probably won't see IRL, but happens A Lot in official servers: members of different species actively protecting eachother and even corpse guarding the body of a different species

like a stego corpse guarding a pachy

you don't see zebras corpse guard wildebeest lol

[outer sphinx]

Tbf... anything Stego related can be explained by: It's Stego

[rare fractal]

Oh I don’t much care, it’s only unrealistic If the animal is profoundly unintelligent

[rare fractal]

Yeah stego was a violent one

Like it just, likes death

[outer sphinx]

Stego has nothing to fear so what else would they do

[candid elm]

shants would do the same thing in legacy lol

[rare fractal]

Realism in regards to nature is also really REALLY weird in this game since every animal is technically it’s own unique species made from the ground up by a weapons manufacturer

So….it’s barely applicable anyway

[outer sphinx]

Well it is an interesting concept of playing a weapon trying to live as an animal haha

[rare fractal]

Mhm, which is basically what the games going for

It’s kinda funny how most players don’t actually know we aren’t playing clones

Or rather, the animals we play literally aren’t derived from old material in any way

[strong iris]

#general-feedback message
@oblique bobcat I’m pretty sure there is a queue system, but it seems to only work when the servers show 100/100 players. It doesn’t work when a server is full but says 97/100 i.e.

[rare fractal]

They’re entirely original built to resemble dinosaurs

[outer sphinx]

Also... most issues with corpse guardian etc might be aleviated or even fixed with migration, the need of herbivores to be on the move

[rare fractal]

Mhm, tho even then it’s not an issue that needs solving

[outer sphinx]

More QoL

[rare fractal]

There will always be something bigger and stronger than you that wants to deny you food

[outer sphinx]

Rather than detrimental issue

[rare fractal]

Mhm

It's also sorta an element of consideration with what you're hunting...

Like you shouldn't be ignoring how easy or hard it'll be to claim the corpse you create after the animal dies

Success isn't necessarily caused by winning a fight or making a kill

[outer sphinx]

Corpse dragging might also be a thing that could be tweaked to let players feel less restricted in such scenarios

[rare fractal]

Mhm, tho the logistics of group dragging sound nightmarish to create

[outer sphinx]

Some creatures beeing able to drag kils higher ground, or faster in bushes

While others, like Cera, are good at defending

[rare fractal]

Speaking of "faster in bushes" I've always wanted a forest mobility mechanic :(

[outer sphinx]

And others, by sheer size cough Kaiju Spino cough

[rare fractal]

Like for animals like magy or herrera, to make them faster in denser foliage statistically than they would be outside it, or others slower in dense foliage than they would in open areas

[outer sphinx]

Would love stuff like Omni, Maggy etc to be faster in forests (Omni bc Utha is more of as plains hunter imo)

And stuff like Carno to be slower in forests

[rare fractal]

I wouldn't give it to omni, omni is already one of the fastest animals in the game, but I would give omni immunity to it's detriments

[rare fractal]

Mhm, like bringing carno down from 55 to 40 in forested areas...etc

[outer sphinx]

At least Omni doesnt get a debuff in speed in forests

While Utah for ex would

[rare fractal]

Yeah that's more what I mean

[rare fractal]

Tbh I see utah being WAY more of a forest animal than omni

If utah is designed somewhat akin to an actual utah...it'll play more like a small cerato

[outer sphinx]

Im still in aftershock after learning Utah could reach speeds of 45km and up

[rare fractal]

For an animal that big that's terrifying

[outer sphinx]

Now I fear god

[outer sphinx]

And the fact they hunted in pairs, and maybe small groups at times

[rare fractal]

That I haven't read about but if so...even more terrifying

[outer sphinx]

Also, am I the only one that feels sleeping should be an actual mechanic (night for day dinosaurs and vice versa for night ones), like trading some vision etc for faster stam regen and healing (and some dinoas would get a buff when more of the pack sleep like Dillo maybe, more sleep dyring day, the more potent the night venom is)

[outer sphinx]

Utah is the only, or one of the only dinos found in a group, like 5-6, we dont know if it was a pack or just luck tho

[rare fractal]

Mmm, cuz I do know group behavior was profoundly uncommon amongst predatory dinos

So that'd be quite interesting

[outer sphinx]

Still safe to assume pairs where a thing, mating and all that so in certain cases they might've hunted toghether but most likely only one of them

[rare fractal]

Mhm, certainly not out of the question with how some birds behave in mating pairs

[outer sphinx]

Still, the notion that in game we could see 4 Utahs running at us at mach 5 is a terrifying one

[oblique bobcat]

there is not a queue system not coded in at all. I have tried joiniong servers that say they are 100/100 or 120/120 but when I click connect nothing hapens doesnt even try to load in no queue or joining :/

[strong iris]

That’s odd, the queue system showed up for me and worked as intended the other day, maybe it’s just really broken?

[oblique bobcat]

it must be

it's really odd how the developers release no patches or hotfixes only every major update

they patch bugs it's super dumb

the isle is going to die if the gameplay just stays the same and never changes

[urban flax]

Good thing they're still doing gameplay changes with every update

[supple sapphire]

https://youtu.be/MGH93uXPy6I Everytime he hit something he get a bite even hitting that Cera on back u got another bite .. U call this viable??? U all Carno Lovers …

[urban flax]

@balmy hatch Don't worry, I've seen people get banned after posting "feedback" but most of the times it was deserved
You're not getting banned for what you posted

[graceful raven]

@finite canyon cera already got bleed resistance so i think they’ll be fine

[finite canyon]

Yea maybe itll be fine. Tbh I personaly just wish that cera would have some more of that honey badger/hyena niche.

[obsidian sphinx]

by not allowing ur main threats to eat u risk more casualties of ur own species or of ur enemies resulting in more dead bodies means more bodies to eat and guard which means loads of dead uneaten deserved to be rotten bodies near hotspots ,died only for the sole purpose of affecting server performance.

[gritty lance]

@balmy hatch 100% agree. I got muted over a harmless joke saying nobody ever gets unstuck and that the excuse as to why it never happens as “nobody ever updates their requests” was ridiculous

[icy lion]

That was a mute for misinformation

It's rule 11 #rules-and-info

And after said warning you decided to troll

[gritty lance]

I would reply but I don’t want another mute for “disrespect”

Not to mention it wasn’t misinformation, it’s common knowledge people sit there for days waiting for their Dino to get unstuck only to say screw it and tell someone their location to get killed OR literally starve to death

Also IIrc that rule mostly applies to misinformation about the game? Like ETAS, content of the updates etc

[balmy hatch]

Yup, I have screenshots of messages my friend has said giving criticism about how the devs are never truthful about their timeline. No rude, or vulgar messages at all. Mine was actually way worse than there’s lol and they’ve been permanently banned. I just want the game to thrive and for people to play this more, so many more people are going back to legacy because of reasons like this (and because of how long updates take) lol

[gritty lance]

Yeah same
My friends don’t play thanks to lag

[icy lion]

No, rule 11 is pretty all encompassing

[gritty lance]

or seeing people get banned for the reasons you just stated

[icy lion]

Saying people rarely get unstuck is different than saying people never get unstuck. One is a personal experience, the other is a lie

[cosmic thorn]

I think the ability for Troodon to play dead would be neat. You could use it to try and lose some of the heat during a pack hunt when the prey starts chasing you, or to try and avoid a confrontation with a ticked off herbivore. Press Z to fall down to the ground in the death pose. If you hold shift at the same time you make a death cry noise as well. You wouldn't regain stamina while playing dead, and when you move to get up you lose a chunk of stamina in the same way as getting up while resting.

[gritty lance]

Lol I’ve seen 2 people get unstuck the whole time I’ve been here

[hallow umbra]

does anyone else think that pachy should at least get three stuns for the fractures

[gritty lance]

Sure maybe I was slightly over exaggerating, but that’s no more than 90% of the reasons y’all claim to use to dish out punishment
(Btw this isn’t me being “disrespectful” so please don’t mute me again for 24 hours)

[gritty lance]

Like how? Like it gets a stun counter?

[hallow umbra]

like it only stuns the creature when it gets a fracture

after the dinosuar has three fractures it cant stun anymore

[gritty lance]

Tbh pachy is so screwed because they remove stun. They could have easily fixed it by increasing the cooldown

[hallow umbra]

one stun for each fracture

[hallow umbra]

they did it to prevent people from just killing anyone they want

[gritty lance]

Wait does it not do that in the stress test? I thought that’s the only stun it gets now

[hallow umbra]

no

[gritty lance]

[hallow umbra]

cuz now it can kill anything it wants with a big enough group because the dinosuar cant do anything

with removed stun, the dino can fight back

[gritty lance]

Still shouldn’t have turned it into a galli but worse

I think, outside of the fracture stuns, it should have a big cooldown between regular stuns

[hallow umbra]

mabey it has, i need to check

[gritty lance]

Like hell id even say a minute
Although tbh it’s easy to escape pachys and over half the time, it’s idiot carnos running at a group of them solo expecting to win

[hallow umbra]

yeah

[gritty lance]

Me and my friends rub around in a pachy gang, and literally 90% of what we kill are solo carnos thinking they can take on 6+ pachys

[hallow umbra]

yeah that is exactly why they removed stun

cuz u and ur friends can just stun-lock them and he cant do anything

with removed stun he might still have a chance at winning or escaping but its still 6v1

[obsidian sphinx]

pachy only needs a consistent and reliable fracture detection like if i aim for leg it should 100% be leg fracture, ram from front in presence of head hitbox then head fracture has priority over body fracture,etc.

[hallow umbra]

but arnt the devs trying to be realistic

and thats not that balenced

that would make pachy op

[obsidian sphinx]

at cost of not able to stun.

[gritty lance]

The thing is, the solo carno can still escape. Balancing shouldn’t be pandering to people who are arguably too stupid to pick their own fights.

Same with (how I’m hoping they didn’t make Utah op again)
It’s just fine atm outside of all the bugs and glitches, and the 0 Stam when getting bucked off.

Instead, they are more likely to sit there and listen to the players who won’t sit there and actually practice the Dino and learn from trial and error.

No diffrent from dunce cap the solo carno running at a group of 6 pachys. Should have ran the other way

Now pachy just gets bulldozed. It’s slow, has bad stam, and now can’t even stun stuff

[obsidian sphinx]

things are relative it is different when the whole group is following u and outstamming u.

[gritty lance]

Pachys are normally easy to spot, and if you are good at preserving your stam, then in most cases you should have no issues avoiding them

Still doesn’t mean they should be made almost defenceless. They take 3 bites from a carno which can happen in a instant

Especially if they themselves get stunned/stay still when they make a headbutt.

[obsidian sphinx]

Well carnos are easier to spot than a pachy as carnos' biomes are plains and grasslands and when there is a whole herd spotting u from a mile away and chasing/out stamming u then thats a problem.

[hallow umbra]

but pachy can outstam carno. I died to 6 pachys yesterday cuz i saw them, ran away and they caught up with me shortly after and killed me

[mint forge]

I mean I don't even understand how they didn't, by themself, realized that that one animation was pure trash and nobody liked it

[hallow umbra]

galli is worse than pachy

[gritty lance]

See that’s poor stam management, always run for cover and hide. They can’t see footsteps like carnivores do and it’s ushually easy to give them the slip. If you run away as soon as you see them you will likely run out of stam.

Although I see where your coming from and sometimes your just low on stan

[lucid robin]

ikr

[buoyant dove]

Idk, i think ceras run animation is alright

[stray surge]

im just wondering if theres another way now for new people to be int he beta version

[trail mason]

@full pewter an ostrich can disembowel you with a single kick so I think they’re pretty strong lol

Also a kick w the sharp nails from an ostrich/galli would do a lot of bleeding so it would only make sense

[full pewter]

Sure, but last I checked many Dino’s in the isle aren’t human size, gallis killing ceratos as easily as they are now is ludicrous

[trail mason]

Cerato sized animals are not impervious to injury. I feel like galli is fairly balanced as of now, you need a bunch of gallis to keep on a target because kicking takes up stamina. They also die in a couple hits

[rare fractal]

Cerato isn’t the one that struggles with Galli

Carno of all animals is the one that has problems

Pl

[barren crater]

Pretty much. They should be able to imo bully ceras & Omni's in flocks but not Carnos - who should be their primary threat

[rare fractal]

Unfortunately Carno is for some reason balanced like an assassin who specializes in mid tiers exactly the same size as itself instead of an actual pursuit predator

Carno doesn’t get bullied by them but Galli has a better time fighting carnos than it does ceratos

[barren crater]

Yeah. If it was actually a threat like it should be then they wouldn't want to go near it. Genuinely can run rings around a Carno as a Galli and not fear them actually killing me

But Cera? That guy is tiny. A Galli flock spotting you should strike fear if you're solo imo.

[rare fractal]

Mhm

Which is funny, since Cerato is probably the second best thing at fighting them next to Pachy

I absolve deino and stego from those kinds of assessments for obvious reasons

[barren crater]

Yeah. Teno's also generally negate them

Not a good matchup so far from what I've seen

[rare fractal]

Mhm

Which is good, it’d be bad if teno had a poor matchup with Galli or Carno

It sorta HAS to be the superior in those engagements to be viable

[obsidian sphinx]

imagine if omni could kick with that sickle claw

[rare fractal]

It does

[rare fractal]

That’s apart of it’s pounce animation

[obsidian sphinx]

would be good if it was an alt attack and also able to stun.

[rare fractal]

Oh god no

Omni is the last animal that needs a Galli kick

It already instantly kills everything smaller than it with pounce

[obsidian sphinx]

if not omni then utah should.

[rare fractal]

It will if it needs it

Not sure why we’d give that to Utah when we don’t even know how Utah will operate

[barren crater]

Pretty sure Austro has a kick

[obsidian sphinx]

atleast when omni is in air it should kick with alt.

[outer sphinx]

also its alt is perfect for it, just for the sheer fact it doesnt kill momentum

[rare fractal]

Yeah it's actually very well designed for what omni does

[timid oar]

what do you guys think of this idea i posted

[hallow umbra]

see, i did hide, and they found me

not many places to hide in the plains

[gritty lance]

Ah, my condolences then lol

[hallow umbra]

yeah, not much a carno can do if its 1v anything above 5 mabye 4

if the pachys are good

[obsidian plaza]

I have so many ideas for this game rn

Like realism ideas I know the people would love

[hallow umbra]

well, say them in the feedvack and see if people like it or not

just dont do somthing stupid

like making omni op

or carno

[obsidian sphinx]

current omni alt attack is problematic as sometimes u collide with the target hitbox and lose all the momentum, not good when going in head first into a 500kg juvie stego tail attack and lose 60 % health with a headshot, an omnidirectional kick on the other hand could apply stun and bleed without risk of taking a headshot.

[outer sphinx]

But why would the pursuit attrition hunter need a kick?

[obsidian sphinx]

cause its better to not put ur head in risk in every situation in combat especially if u are one shotted by more than half of the roster.

[outer sphinx]

And thats why Omni is a pack hunter, to attack the weak spots and undefended locations of its prey

If Omni is solo it wont be able to hunt effectively prey larger than it

[urban flax]

Uh
Skill issue there

If an omni charges headfirst into a large prey and decides to alt-bite through it... Then it only deserves to at least be stopped in its momentum

[obsidian sphinx]

well dromeosaurs kicked their preys weak spots along with pouncing. And currently no animal has a weak spots just head hit multiplier. Crocs have a weak spot behind their neck which jaguars dig their teeth into to paralyze them.Deino has no such weak spots in evrima so point of attacking weak spots doesnt exist.

[outer sphinx]

May I introduce a concept called... its a game

[urban flax]

I don't think dromaeosaurs kicked much since their sickle claw was used for holding onto prey

[outer sphinx]

I'm all for accuracy and all, but lets be real

[obsidian sphinx]

its more of a game of healthbars with dino models in it isnt it?

[outer sphinx]

Thats Legacy

Thats prob the best description of legacy I ever heard lol

[urban flax]

That's the opposite
It's a game of dinos with healthbars in it

[obsidian sphinx]

the hitboxes have health bars and also contain the model with animations

[north quiver]

omni imo is pretty fine rn (the main game. not the stress test). the only thing I have a bit of an issue with is the small delay when you delatch and hit the ground. seems like you can’t immediately hit the ground running. ignoring the bugs, it’s an amazing playable. the only big issue with it is carno’s hitbox, which is getting fixed. a buddy and I destroyed a herd of aggro tenos a day or two ago, and it was so satisfying

[outer sphinx]

So every game ever

[obsidian sphinx]

every RPG game ever have u heard of simulator?

[outer sphinx]

remove the healthbars for some and its still the same

hitboxes with a rig

Bc thats all any game could be

[obsidian sphinx]

Classic Stego hack and slash facetank for the win.

[outer sphinx]

Bruh

[urban flax]

I fail to see what your point is

[obsidian sphinx]

Any noob can click stego and beat any skill deino to pulp where is skill progression?

[outer sphinx]

Its almost like Stego has no direct matchup... and nothing to do with the design of the game

[urban flax]

Since when was the conversation about skill ?
Also yeah, it's called having bad matchups

[obsidian sphinx]

just do 10 times amount of damage than ur opponent and u win

[urban flax]

And some playables are harder to play than others

[outer sphinx]

Deino is not designed to fight apexes

Opposite of it

[urban flax]

Are you implying it's not normal than some animals deal a lot more damage than others ?

[obsidian sphinx]

exactly cause balancing the game with only tweaking the numbers is to superficial while all the previous mechanics implemented arent used.

[urban flax]

Hmmm
Let me rephrase
Do you think a solo omniraptor should stand a chance against a solo stegosaurus ?

[obsidian sphinx]

just give omni higher damage on alt attack while ignore the full stun mechanic

[outer sphinx]

Pretty sure alt already does more damage than bite

on top of instant directional change and low momentum loss

[radiant nest]

The point is omni should be a pack hunter, the alt attack is great already and shouldn’t be it’s main attack

[obsidian sphinx]

thats exactly my point balancing something is just tweaking its health, damage etc. classic rpg approach.

this isnt legacy its evrima

[outer sphinx]

Bc adding literally a new mechanic or changing a whole mechanic is a terrible idea to balancing for small issues if even issues

No game dev would chose that aproach over tweaking numbers, unless the mechanic itself is broken and needs to be fixed

[obsidian sphinx]

its risky but it makes the playable versatile and complex.

[outer sphinx]

all that work for barely even 5% of an improvement over a fully working and competent mechanic

This only makes sense for just plainly garbage or broken mechanics

[obsidian sphinx]

its more skill based than programming based

during combat

[outer sphinx]

When did I ever mention programing specifically, as if thats all it takes to change something in a game

[obsidian sphinx]

I can literally ask for a game where i click right click around a pachy, my omni does a killing blow animation and the fight ends or another game where player decision matters in the outcome of a fight.

[outer sphinx]

And Evrima is literally what you described in the 2nd one

[urban flax]

Except that omni can instakill pachy if the pachy isn't FG

But I still don't get how any of those arguments are in favor of giving omni a kick attack

[obsidian sphinx]

its kind of hybrid of both but i am asking more of the second part.

[outer sphinx]

idk im confused

[obsidian sphinx]

Giving player more options to deal damage under certain circumstances instead of plain biting facetank.

[outer sphinx]

And thats why alt exists

[urban flax]

But omni DOES have options
If you're trying to facetank as one you're playing it wrong

[outer sphinx]

A 3rd way to deal damage, at the very least

Teno has like 5 ways to deal dmg or smth

[urban flax]

You need to understand that adding a new attack to a playable is a straight-out buff, and omni doesn't need a buff right now

[outer sphinx]

Esp after the plethora of QoL and mini buffs of 6.5

[urban flax]

OR it needs nerfs to other parts of its kit, but then that defeats the point of having one more attack

[radiant nest]

Omnis thing is pouncing, it’s not a face tanker

[outer sphinx]

If you want a face tanker thats what Carno and Pachy are for

[obsidian sphinx]

then why omnis facetank with alt attacks?

[outer sphinx]

It slashes and bites?

You gonna tell me the other dinos bite with their feet or smth?

[urban flax]

Because you're doing it wrong

[radiant nest]

They don’t most of the time, especially not with 6.5, cause of the extra incentive to pouch

[obsidian sphinx]

no cause alt attacks do more damage than normal bites thats why.

[outer sphinx]

What does that have to do with anything?

[urban flax]

Sooooo... you want to nerf the alt attack ?

[obsidian sphinx]

classic rpg meta gaming

[outer sphinx]

What are you even saying

[radiant nest]

Pouncing is how you attack with it, not biting mainly

[obsidian sphinx]

just make it versatile even if damage is less.

[obsidian sphinx]

then why do omnis bite in the first place?

[outer sphinx]

Omnis alt is used for chases and separating players, not atrrition

[urban flax]

It's not versatile enough already ?

Alt attack doesn't need to be a free "get out of trouble" card

All animals take risks when attacking, so should omni

[outer sphinx]

You do not use Omnis alt as a main combat tool, bur for chasing and separating

[radiant nest]

Because it can, it’s a small game hunter solo but can take on big things in groups with pounce

[outer sphinx]

bc thats why it doesnt kill momentum anymore

[urban flax]

Or, if you're really good with it, bait attacks while still dealing damage to your opponent

[outer sphinx]

Or that, but we can tell what the devs had in mind with its alt

[obsidian sphinx]

I can pounce small game and big game why do I need to bite?

[outer sphinx]

To maintain bleed

And deal extra instant damage

[obsidian sphinx]

then what is wrong with kicks it is an evasive manuever that greatly enhances omnis agility.

[outer sphinx]

Switch up from bites and punces so they have to be guessing what you will do next thus furthermore increasing the already aplied bleed

[icy lion]

How is a kick an evasive maneuver?

[outer sphinx]

It already is the most agile thing in the game par Dryo

[stray surge]

so whats the new way to get in the other version of the isle? dew to the problems before of what happned

[outer sphinx]

Legacy?

[stray surge]

the evrima

[icy lion]

Right click The Isle in your Steam library, click Properties, click Betas, click the drop-down bar and select evrima. Steam will start downloading the new version

[outer sphinx]

It should be default by now when you install the isle

At least thats what I remember

[stray surge]

it wont let me dew to anti cheat errpr

error*

[icy lion]

#🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 message

[stray surge]

ty

[winter geode]

why does this game just boot me out the server without reason

[candid cove]

Whats wrong with my idea about applyable distinguishing marks 😦

[desert arch]

it sounds nice on paper, but sadly people would find ways to draw/write inappropiate things on the dinos :/

[south oar]

What Mr.Potato said but also depending on the freedom given it would make many dino skins look extremely unrealistic

[barren zephyr]

@sharp peak that has been suggested so many times but its a really bad idea imo.
First off, for sever hosts, they should be able to allow moxpacking on their server
It can also be exploited way too easily. Imagine a carno places a nest somewhere but a baby dryo just happens to be sitting on a rock to annoy you and now you have to move but wait, that doesnt stop the dryo from following you

Sorry for my spelling
im on mobile

[broken sorrel]

Ai spawns on beaches only and a water source in the middle of the map

[sharp peak]

the Carno can just attack the dryo

[broken sorrel]

That way if the map is an island you have the beach surrounding the land and would actually be used and then one river going down the middle of the island so dinos go back and forth on all sides from the river to the beach and herbivores would just have their food in the giant swamp and by the center and by the beaches

[sharp peak]

makes zero sense for a carno to chill with tenos for example and assist them in combat against a pachy. Absolutely destroys the immersion of the game

[barren zephyr]

Cant if its on a rock

[austere axle]

@sharp peak , just posted and idea to avoid mixpacking. would u give me your feedback?

[barren zephyr]

Ik you didnt ask me but thats easily exploitable
#general-feedback message

[austere axle]

Marked Sammo because of his suggestion. But great you think it's exploitable, how so?

[grand folio]

#general-feedback message

Here’s a better image of my idea for baby trike, basically gremlin!

[sharp peak]

it seems like a good idea but it may be a little complex. Im a big fan of keep it simple, but some iteration of a "stress" meter could work. Anything really to incentivize players to group within thier means. Herbs mixing with herbs would be okay imo.

[grand folio]

Herbs mixing with herbs of similar types
Hadrosaurs with hadrosaurs
Ceratopsians with ceratopsians
Ect

[barren zephyr]

Im absolutely sure that there are players who will troll you, all they have to do is just sit near you in a bush or on a rock and finding them isnt so easy

[barren zephyr]

Devs said that some herbivores are going to be encouraged to mixpack

[austere axle]

haha, you're right. But that's consctructive feedback to help us think better

[barren zephyr]

@short iron that was entirely your fault skill issue

Just kidding, thats fixed in the new update

[short iron]

i really hope so

[grand folio]

Interesting, I like the idea as long as it discourages apex herbies mix packing

With other apex herbies

[barren zephyr]

I disagree, I think stegos should be able to mixpack with smaller herbivores

[grand folio]

Yeah

[sharp peak]

Herbs will group up to avoid a predator its only natural

[barren zephyr]

Oh gotcha

[grand folio]

Yup mb should have made that clearer!

[sharp peak]

but a Carno and a stego grouping up isnt fun for anyone else involved

for example

[austere axle]

what about an herd mechanic? like a group but mixpacked. But of course with certain rules and different name tag colours from species to species. Herbs wouldn't pack with carns etc.

[barren zephyr]

Of course not. But debuffs are not the way to go

[grand folio]

I feel like herbie mix packing is fine as long as there’s a limit to how many sub-apex and apexes there are in the group
Maybe 2 titans per group (large sauropods)

[short iron]

herbis are not grouping up. they are just tolerating each other. thats all
a zebra would never help a buffalo if the buffalo is getting attacked and the buffalo will never help a zebra.

[austere axle]

guess realism intedend buffs and debuffs are a good strategy. Like in my suggestion

[grand folio]

The zebra would be benefitted if it didn’t help, then it’s less likely to be eaten itself

[short iron]

exactly but in the isle: mixherders are helping other herbis as if they were their jung and that shoul't be so

[grand folio]

Yes, there needs to be a mechanic that discourages it strongly enough that players won’t do it anymore

[barren zephyr]

For people who dont like mixpacking its prob best to go to unofficial servers. Officials wont have mixpacling control for awhile

[grand folio]

Sadly they can’t do it without making some part of the community mad

[barren zephyr]

Best not to touch it at all imo

[barren zephyr]

Best way to do that is encouraging unofficial servers

[weak dune]

Yeah, except that in the wild, it takes so much energy for a pack of lions to take down the buffalo that they kill it, eat, and then go to sleep for 18 hours.

In the Isle, players kill just for fun, move on, and keep killing.

In real life, the zebra would be benefitted because the lions would stop at killing the buffalo. In the Isle, once they kill that one herbie they're after, they're coming for you next just for the lulz.

[short iron]

Thats true but how could a pack of omnis eat their kill when a big fat stego is standing on the corpse and guarding the (as a example) teno body?

[weak dune]

Then either you don't eat the teno body or you kill the stego

[short iron]

Killing the stego by loosing at least two of the pack members. Theres always something wrong.

[weak dune]

Tis the way of the Isle. Someone is always complaining about unfairness. Teno used to get really good stam to travel and run away from predators, carno players whined that Teno could out-stam them over long distance and kill them, then they made it where Teno is basically free food

At least Omni is in a better place than Hypsi and Dryo

[normal lotus]

If someone complains that cera is too slow since they can't hunt imma scream.

[weak dune]

lmao

guaranteed at least one person will want carno 2.0

[latent cargo]

@hidden trellis Yeah that'd be great imo, there are some mechanics that would be nice to not have to look up on the wiki or hear from word of mouth XD

[torpid girder]

I've been seeing people say that there's no unstuck button but there's a command that you can use that /unstuck and it works just fine for me now if your stuck in a deep hole it wont work but as for stuck in trees or in vines it should work just fine

[lofty cove]

anybodey have any idea how you get into a stress test sever?

Or sign up.

[weak dune]

Pretty sure the sign-ups are closed now

[lofty cove]

well just to know where do you do it

[icy lion]

The application form was in #announcements the last time they were open

@dense plover That's exactly what head fractures currently do

[hollow rapids]

Bite force is already decreased on a head fracture

[dense plover]

Ahhhhhhhhh okay

Thank u

[hollow rapids]

👍

Np mate

[amber sail]

this game kinda sucks, mix packers on every server, speed hackers, extreme random fps drops, (why do fish still fly?) update maybe by 2050? deino air glitch STILL not fixed?!?!?! do you even do bug fixes? it sure does not seem so

[weak dune]

The ping issue is pretty bad, at least on the NA servers. Every like 10 minutes or so ping shoots up to 400+ and rubberbanding makes the game unplayable for several minutes because you can't move. You just have to sit and wait for it to stabilize. Its not just in areas with other players and lots of bodies either.

[drifting lynx]

I was just thinking about something like this! I saw that there were plans to add stego and teno as AI and I thought it would be amazing if somehow there was a herd mechanic involving control of herds as an alpha (that you could challenge other players for) and basically they just follow you around and you could take them to nesting grounds or out to graze etc. like maybe diablo will have this feature with the sparring mechanic

[barren zephyr]

#general-feedback message
Old, but agreed. I wanna sit on my nest like a duck!

[tired tiger]

i was thinking when weather is added it would be cool if the lightning either did burn damage or it did size % and each size has a different chance of getting hit and the % of getting hit changes by where you are like say if you where on a mountain you would have a higher % chance of getting hit (note all % chance for each size dino is for plain biomes like centre), say if you were a anything the size of a human or smaller have 1% chance of getting hit but it would have a 50% chance of 1 shoting you and i not 5/6 of health, for ceratosaurus size dinos it could be a 3% chance but 40% chance of 1 shotting and if not 3/4 health taken, the allo size dinos would have a 6% chance with no chance of 1 shot 2/3 health taken, and t-rex like creature 9% chance of getting hit with no chance of 1 shot and 1/2 health taken also maybe there could be different sized lightning bolts with a dif % of spawning like for every 10 small lightning bolts theres 10% chance of 1 large lighning bolt. Also for the biomes % chance of lightning hitting (note damage stays the same), mountains with no foliage have highest % chance, mountains with foliage 2nd, plains 3rd, beach 4th, lakes 5th, rivers 6th, swamps 7th, forest 8th, rainforest 9th

i dunno where im meant to post this lol

if i want admins to see

[urban flax]

Do you think having a random chance of having all your progress deleted for absolutely no reason is a good idea ?

[tired tiger]

sometimes

[urban flax]

You have a weird conception of fun

[tired tiger]

anyway i did say that the bigger ones dont have a chance on the smaller ones

[urban flax]

The probability doesn't matter
The fact it exists is bad

Whether there is a 1/10 chance that you get struck by lightning or a 1/1000000 chance, when it happens to you it sucks all the same

[tired tiger]

yeah well there still adding weather so even if they dont take my idea on lightning percentage there wtill will be lightning that will still destroy you

[urban flax]

I see no reason for there to be lightning strikes specifically set up to ruin the experience of players

[tired tiger]

anyway it just a suggestion

[cyan flame]

@junior kiteI don't believe any normal bite attack is disabled in mud, so there should be no reason an omni or carno can't bite there. Also carno charge hitbox is fixed for the next update, as well as balance changes in general.

[junior kite]

god I hope so, I could maybe....maybe work with the kicking. But a carno face is not in the mud now is it?A tentos feet and tail partially is, all these special attacks need to be charged in order to use them again. Were seeing players abuse and use these with just about no skill involved. The fact that a stego can swing it's tail with his ass half way into the river and have the same effect as when on land is just ridiculous. I can't even punch something or someone in the water when swimming. No animal has the ability to have a full on damage effect when swimming or standing in the water due to weight taking effect to drain our energy. It cost just as much energy to punch and fight in the water as it is on land.

[cyan flame]

I think cerato is getting an alt bite in water, so that's not entirely accurate to the game. But last I checked there's no reason a carno can't bite normally while standing in water or mud, but maybe that broke somehow in the latest update.

[weak dune]

Have you considered just not fighting in mud and not messing with the pointy end of the stego? lol

Carno absolutely decimates everything on land that isn't a stego or deino, not exactly the end of the world that you can't roflstomp people in mud pits too, which are rare on the map

[junior kite]

Sounds more like you got skill issue then a carno issue. I have repeatedly made suggestion about the carno head but ability and the devs have not did anything about it. Especially with the fact that all these special ability need to be capped with a limit and made to charge. They just basically screwed the dryo only defense system that allowed it to dodge attacks by doing this. How is disabling the one thing the dry has going for it balancing the game. It can injure nothing for crap. And now they pull this stunt that makes it more defenseless, from just about anything that smacks it. If were gonna do that to a dryo, the weakest creature in the game. All dinos need a cap recharge in order to reuse them again. I am not even arguing that carnos head butts need to capped also. I am saying the hypocritical problem in where unskilled players are hiding in the woods all day growing, and not taking chances as a herbivore until they grow enough. Meanwhile carnivores are taking chances all the time and are the mercy of other players as a juvie. You tell me why a carnivor shouldn't be allowed to sniff out his prey, with of course a charge on the sniffing for a trail direction in where the player resides? Not a direct pinpoint, but a general direction. It's boring walking all over the map seeking out players who hide the entire time. In reality carnivores in the wild track there prey based on scent alone.

[weak dune]

Okay so following my statement "Carnos decimate everything on the map except stego and deino"

I wonder whyever herbivore players would hide in the woods and grow to full adult without taking the risk of constantly dying? 🤔

Also carni's can bush squat grow to adult just fine. I've literally AFK grown a full adult deino by the ocean off nothing but turtles and crabs

You can grow carnis AFK just fine. In fact, its even easier than AFK growing herbs lol

[cyan flame]

I think the biggest reason people "hide and grow" is because juvies aren't that good, or that fun to play as, since well, you're weaker and most people enjoy fighting and killing others. This goes for both carnis and herbis, not like carnis are harder to grow than herbis what with all the ai around. Just look at deino, easier to grow than stego and all. Also not sure how this relates to some form of "long term/long distance tracking mechanic", which is an interesting idea, though I'm not sure it should be "locked" to carnis only, depending on how it's done.

[junior kite]

So now you're making excuses? Wrong, you survived. Not actually had access to your entire diet like the herbivore does. All he has to do is travel to the destination using the forest where no one sees him. Meanwhile is a carnivore wants his meal, they have too run out in the open and risk death to acquire that food source. So what if they can squat? Herbis can just lay down and not make one sound. That's not a dis-advantage if no one can hear you sitting. It is for a carnivor, because they they can hear you breathing. I have never seen a carni actually survive just fine off eating pure turtles. You need something other then 3 dots.

[cyan flame]

Are you aware that most herbi food is in the open plains? And that there are AI quite near forests too, especially the goats. It's not as if herbi is any more risk free than carni, especially not if they want to go get all their diets, carnis tend to be able to do that slightly easier.

[weak dune]

There are also people who visit the coast drinking spot, but rarely

And yeah you can survive off of purely AI lol

[cyan flame]

Also since when can't carnis and herbis both lie down to be quiet and hidden? While bipedal ones have the added advantage of sneaking, something the quads lack (and should be given, but alas(.

[weak dune]

rather easily

[junior kite]

I'm not convinced. Not with how I been observing this pattern.

[junior kite]

survive, but have no access to the entire diet system like herbis.

[cyan flame]

I'm not quite sure what the argument here is, overall, carnis can grow as easy and free as herbi, sometimes easier (deino compared to stego) and so on.

[cyan flame]

I mean, a herbi needs to go get all those three plants, in different areas more or less, and survive all of that, before they get their diet

Meanwhile, a carni can find a corpse and get nutrients from organs, as well as AI

And if you're a deino, you find some bones, and you're set

[weak dune]

Survive, and grow*, with no risk whatsoever, to AFK reach full adult. You didn't talk about having perfect diet before, just risk of being found by other carnis and killed before you can grow. So now you're shfiting the goal post

[junior kite]

Carnis have no access to grass like herbis do to survive. One ai run out for carni, they depend on killing other players, that it. All a stego has to do is graze on grass. That grass mechanic needs to be reworked also that allows for grass to drain those buffs off players rather then keep them stable. You will see a stego player camp waters on his buffs eating grass while attacking dienos. Meanwhile dieno needs fish and not enough around to supply to keep him in the fight. :/

[weak dune]

There'd be enough fish to grow a deino if you didn't have 10 deinos camping the same hotspots lol

[junior kite]

You said it, not me. You said survive. Turtle gives you 1 buff, and you can't go hunt for a pig or something as a dieno for your diet. Meanwhile a pachy at the beach has access to 2 of his buffs.

[junior kite]

Not my fault you guys bring like 5 stegos to a dieno fight, also I don't even feel bad when a dieno murders a stego at this point. In fact I relish the feel with how much health you guys got on you.

[weak dune]

It still doesn't negate my point you can afk grow literally anything. Its not a problem exclusive to herbs

[junior kite]

That's 2 dienos per stegos, what your excuse lol.

[junior kite]

Another thing, fish don't give but 1 buff sunshine. 😉

[weak dune]

I don't even play stego most of the time so idk why you're making this a me vs deino argument lol

[junior kite]

We don't want fish, we want other perks besides double lines.

If this the same argument where 5 stegos will take on 2 dienos and bully them in the water? Because who needs that many stegos against 2 dienos?

[craggy sable]

do you realize that a stego takes 10 hours to grow if you only eat grass?

[weak dune]

Maybe don't try to facetank the pointy end of the stego

[junior kite]

Not my problem,if I see a stego. He is dead on site. A dead stego is a good day for the isle. Only time I actually didn't condone it, is a hacker came in and tried to murder him when in a 1 v 1 fight. I hate hacker just as much as I hate a stego player.

[cyan flame]

If you only live on grass, you A, get no diets at all, and B, only get 20% food, both of which combine to make you pretty much die if something looks at you the wrong way. Sure, you can graze as a sheer "I can avoid starvation" as a adult, but even so, it's extremely not ideal unless you have nutrients up, which means you did go get your diets properly.

[junior kite]

Oh I face tank them every time stunning them while the adult are nipping there ass. I stun, while the adult murder. And I bleed. >:)

[cyan flame]

Fish gives nutri far as I know. Also why are you now talking about a matchup if we were talking about growth and how hard/easy it was?

[junior kite]

sphinix brought it up. So I'm more or less going between you both in the convo.

[cyan flame]

What? How is this even relevant for your post or arguments?

[junior kite]

Again, I am multi tasking between you both.

[cyan flame]

Well, if you want to talk deino vs stego, deino is the op one compared to stego. Also a deino can solo a stego, and two will murder one, so it's no surprise stegos respond with numbers as well. Though stegos do less well in groups than deino do, so it's not that much help.

Not sure how this is even relevant anyway

[weak dune]

Honestly I think they're just salty

tl;dr imo, don't play stupid games, you won't win stupid prizes

[cyan flame]

Deino has way easier growth than stego, have easy access to two out of three nutris as easy as stego, if not easier, is overall more powerful and lethal to the roster than stego, is far more untouchable to the rest of the roster than stego is, and so on.

[urban flax]

Remember, people
Always eat grass before you die

[cyan flame]

Not sure how this relates to if either can afkgrow, or use mud or anything else really xD

[craggy sable]

or touch grass

[weak dune]

there is a lot of grass on the Isle tho

its hard not to touch it x'D

[junior kite]

1 vs 1 a stego and win? You can't be serious, that is a joke in the least and a bad one at that. No dieno can 1 v 1 a stego and win. You find me one player that can and I mean where it's a full on fair fight to prove with both with max health and I will believe you then.

[cyan flame]

You can do that. There's a few good deino players that do 1v1 and win vs stegos.

[weak dune]

I've 1 v 1 a stego as a deino before. Its not that hard if the stego isn't that smart and determined to fight

[cyan flame]

You know deino has more health than stego, right? :p

And massively good bleed resist

So you can take a good few hits and be fine, in case you made an error and need to retreat

[weak dune]

Most of the deinos who die to stego decide to sit there and facetank forever

[cyan flame]

Meanwhile, sub deinos will chase stegos up on land for some reason xD

[junior kite]

considering I cleared out NW with 5 dead adult stegos, 2 tentos, 3pachys, 5 utahs a week ago. I would say I got the bigger prize and we only lost 2 dienos. And they all had different age range, and non of them were full adult. All they had to do was not bully the kids, and things wouldn't have resulted with so much death.

[weak dune]

and then wonder why they died after getting 10 stabs to the face with 2 meter spikes

[junior kite]

find me someone who can and then I will believe you

[weak dune]

let me guess, as a carno?

[junior kite]

Not from what I saw, I can be a stego and smack them I think twice or 3 times and they dead.

[junior kite]

nope, rarely play carno.

[cyan flame]

GMVgaming I believe, and I think there's one or two others that also do it.

[junior kite]

I camped 2 stego players on stego rock who thought sticking there tail down the hill would prevent death. It was either day the hard way or the slow way. Because they smacked the kids and one died to fall, the other broke his leg and ran for his life.

[cyan flame]

In any case, it's very much doable, though you might want to have a partner, just in case, because it is dangerous and difficult

[urban flax]

That's not what numbers say
Adult deino has 8k health, stego's tail stab is 1200 damage, deino headshot multiplier is 1.5x
So 3 stabs to the head would be 5400 damage

[junior kite]

If I see them kill a actual adult, I will believe you. But if that stego is not full grown in that video. I call bull.

[cyan flame]

Deino is 8T, 8K health, and blood. Stego is 6T, 6K health, and blood. Deino has bleed resist, stego does not.

[weak dune]

So you say you kill adult stegos with deino just fine but you're complaining that stego is too op lol

[junior kite]

Never said I did, I said I killed them because I was paired with my mother dieno. I was like 50 percent and the adult was full grown.

[cyan flame]

Go look at the vids I guess, I've not looked at them, but I know that player goes up against stegos as deino and pulls off pretty good wins from what I've heard.

Also stego winning the 1v1 is reasonable, so not sure why we're complaining about that

Especially since deino can well, avoid stego far better than stego can avoid deino

[weak dune]

But you and your group still killed more stegos than killed you

adult stegos, according to you

so what's the issue

[junior kite]

we lost 2, not everyone was full grown, we had only like 3 full grown adults, the rest were either a sub or below sub. 🙂

[cyan flame]

Well that makes sense then, I don't think anything but fully grown or at least close, should go up vs an adult stego

Subs can fight subs I would guess

[junior kite]

The heck I aint, I kinda prefer sub growth instead, because I like to land fish, sitting in bushes and grabbing drinkers.

Even if I am not a sub, I'm ah still harass the crap out of anything and grab it if I can carry it.

[weak dune]

But you still killed 5 full adult stegos, and only lost 2 of your group

[urban flax]

Ah, good thing that is being fixed next update

[junior kite]

wrong, they killed 2 full adults, meaning 2-5 adults were dead. Meanwhile the ones below sub were at the mercy of the stego.

[weak dune]

But you still killed 5 adult stegos, and lost 2 adult deinos

[junior kite]

All those stegos were full grown and had the ability to retreat on land, they didn't. They have the ability to get away from danger. Dienos can chase a stego on land. :/

[weak dune]

Yeah but a stego can't chase a deino into water unless it wants to die lol

[urban flax]

You don't understand, irl one deino should be able to kill a whole herd of stegos by itself
It's a mighty predator after all
Did you know deino's biteforce was 100x that of rex ?

[junior kite]

Don't know what they intend to do about it, but they better do something about putting a cap limits charge on all these special abilities like they did the dryo.

[weak dune]

XD

[urban flax]

Sub deino's speed has been nerfed, and deino can no longer sprint while holding a prey in its mouth

[junior kite]

So what you're saying is, both advantage of moving away from the fight when they're about to die lol. They chose to camp that rock, instead of go find some pumpkins like some normal stego.

[weak dune]

They did that for dryo allegedly to help it so it doesn't lose a huge chunk of stam with its dodge and can still run away. Stego and Teno use stam for their abilities

[cyan flame]

I don't think you're neccesarily meant to play like that, but I'm also not sure how that relates to my point...

[weak dune]

You can just stay in deep water and avoid them

Or

[junior kite]

Doesn't matter, let the dryo player choose how it uses it's stam, it's the weakest thing on this game. Even hypsy has a better chance of survival when it comes to dodging a predator then the dryo.

[cyan flame]

Also not sure on the cap on special abilities, honestly not sure that's a good idea for dryo, much less for others, since some does not even have special abilities

But I guess limiting deino lunges would be interesting xD

[junior kite]

They can walk on land and avoid death lol

[weak dune]

Here's a thought: Don't camp the deino hotspot where stegos know there are going to be lots of deino to mess with. There's plenty more river

[cyan flame]

Also don't stick in one of the spots where the river is very narrow, there's a waterfall you need to go over land to get past, and so on... I don't know, does not seem lik a good spot to me, more like a trap if anything

[urban flax]

Same
But on one hand, dodge did cost too much stam, on the other hand, reducing the stam cost would allow dryo to dodge forever
I assume they found it too hard to find a balance between amount of dodges and run time and decided putting it on charges was easier

[weak dune]

Exactly that lol I avoid that place like the plague when I play deino. Too many other deinos, too many stegos. One or the other will kill me

[cyan flame]

I don't neccesarily think dryo dodging "forever" is much of an issue, but then I do like bouncy dryo so there is that. But they could at least give it more than two dodges, unless the recovery time is very fast. You could also do the "jump" thing, where if you just jump and jump and jump, you lose more stam for every time, if that would help limit the time a dryo can just bounce?

[junior kite]

He's a thought, don't play as a stego player using other players to slow down your prey to avoid draining your stam to murder. Not my fault stegos get over cocky and then go on a killing rampage. I enjoy the hell out of cannibalizing stegos with a stego. If they going to mixpack and even bully players. Im just gonna give them a taste of there on medicine.

[junior kite]

I have no clue where that area your talking about is.

[urban flax]

Agreed

[cyan flame]

Well, herbis are allowed to mix, and "cannibalize" so do as you see fit.

[junior kite]

Considering everything can outstam the dryo and chase it down. I don't see nothing wrong with him being able to dodge for ever.

[weak dune]

Or you could just, play smarter lol

Deino has places it can go stego can't

[urban flax]

That's the same thing as if ptera could fly forever

[weak dune]

And if the stego is dumb enough to chase a deino into deep water, it dies. How do you think I 1 v1ed a stego? It got cocky and jumped in too deep to swing its tail. Boom. Dead.

[junior kite]

Already do, that's why 5 stegos died lol.

[junior kite]

and stego has a place it can go dienos can't follow. Stop making excuses.

[junior kite]

wrong, it just camped with it's butt sticking in the water.

[cyan flame]

What's the actual issue here? Deino is by far more untouchable than stego, it's overall better at most things, and all around op.

So why exactly are we seeing an issue, stego generally wins the matchup, this is fine. Deino wins everything else and can avoid stegos perfectly fine, so they are never in danger.

[junior kite]

No it isn't, it has to fight other competitors, other dienos. :/

[urban flax]

You said yourself you loved cannibalizing other stegos
You think you're the only one ?

[junior kite]

wait until other aqautic dinos come in and you still won't be happy because the argument is, they could swim to the other side faster then you.

[lapis swallow]

I do that too, it is quite fun

[junior kite]

I try and no cannibalize dienos unless they kill me first, I cannibalize stegos so as to reduce the stego population.

[weak dune]

Stegos are threats to other stegos all the time

[urban flax]

So stego is subject to more cannibalism than deino

[lapis swallow]

bro, deino is far more overpopulated

[weak dune]

they're literally the only thing I've died to as a stego. Every time

[cyan flame]

Stego has to deal with everything else, including deinos, and "cannibal" stegos.

[urban flax]

It looks like you're just complaining for the sake of it, because you didn't point out any issues in the matchup

[cyan flame]

What? Also the only thing I think will challenge a deino is a spino, which we're probably not getting any time soon. Bary, it dies, sucho, most likely also just dies (unless it can't be grabbed, but even then, I doubt it'll do too well).

[junior kite]

you're still not acknlowedging that stego can do that too, they can walk as far as they want on land and if a grown dieno follows, all he has to do is run up and swing him to death, dieno can run away without draining his stam out and dying. He needs the stam to fight back.

[junior kite]

nah ah, he can easily one shot everything that isn't dieno, stop lying.

[cyan flame]

Also yes, deinos are by far more overpopulated in general than stegos are, half the server seems to be deinos at any given time xD

[urban flax]

Is deino not being able to go 5 km inland and kill stegos a problem to you ?

[cyan flame]

Yes but deino does not have to go on land, stego has to go get water.

[junior kite]

not really, but ok. I am just one of the few who does it to reduce the over growing numbers of stego.

[cyan flame]

There's a difference there

[urban flax]

You just sound extremely biased and spiteful

[junior kite]

I did, you simply won't acknoweldge it. 🙂

[urban flax]

I only acknowledge actual issues

[cyan flame]

No it can't, only oneshots on headshot, also deino "oneshot" them all via lunge and drown. But stego still has to deal with them, deino can just go "bye bye" and swim away and dive, and become entirely untouchable, more so than even a stego with its head in a rock or tree

Pretty impressive how deino can become even more untouchable than stego, and even easier, because well, it lives in water, while stego can be away from rocks and trees because well, food grows in the plains xD

Oh and deino also have that bleed resist and 2K more health to use if it needs it

[urban flax]

Can't wait to see deino players complain that their fresh spawn deino has been killed by 12 adult beipis after running into them and trying to kill them all

[cyan flame]

Somehow, the fact that deino has one "bad" matchup vs stego is a problem?

Oh yeah, if beipis can murder small deinos, that should be interesting :p

[weak dune]

And if a stego goes into Deino's territory, in deep water, it can get bitten to death. What's your point?

[junior kite]

actually it is, because you're complaining about how we just go back into the water and are expected to not be able to do the same. You complain that you can't kill us in the water, but want us to fight on land and have the ability to murder with just 3 things, because then you have the ability to out stam you opponent. You can even sit on land and work off your bleed.

[junior kite]

dont care, a dead stego is a good stego.

[urban flax]

I'm not complaining about anything
I think the matchup is fine the way it is
Actually you're the only one complaining here

[weak dune]

I've literally never seen anyone complain a stego can't kill a deino in deep water

[urban flax]

Deino VS stego is fine
What's not fine is deino VS everything else

[junior kite]

I let the general feed back votes do the talking, not he 3 random people in this chat to determine this arguement. And from what I see, they're far more votes saying other wise then folks willing to say it out front.

[junior kite]

Considering it's based on weight, that why lol.

[urban flax]

But your feedback is unrelated to this topic

[cyan flame]

I don't think that kind of sentiment gives your arguments any great weight, just saying. You're not arguing an actual problem, you're arguing that stegos are a problem when they are not. And you've not taken things we've told you into account.

[junior kite]

a dieno out weighs a stego by 2000-3000 pounds, realistically crocs can drag things twice there size. Meaning an adult would be likely to be drowned lol.

[weak dune]

Your feedback also included like 5 different things in it, not one specific issue

[cyan flame]

I guess I am the only stego that understands that going swimming is a good way to die because you are slow, easy to block, and you can only nibble at best. Not ideal xD

[craggy sable]

are you sure? because at the moment it doesn't seem very different XD

[cyan flame]

Which feedback are you even referring to there?

Also how are feedback votes not just as random anyway xD

[junior kite]

Because there is nothing to take into account, you asked based on opinion. I think were done here on this discussion. 🙂

[craggy sable]

#general-feedback message this

[weak dune]

There are a lot of people who apparently have never heard of the concept "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" I guess lol

[junior kite]

I've brought this up time and time again, before. You have the ability to search it up. It's called a keyboard. Use it.

[urban flax]

Have you ever heard of the square cube law ?

[urban flax]

I really need to make a video about this

[junior kite]

All the prizes I ever got were dead stegos

[cyan flame]

No, I am telling you how things work, it's not opinion when I point of the advantages deino have over stego in general, and why this means deino is the "problem" rather than stego. I point out deino have more weight, bleed resist, can one shot more of the roster easier than stego can, has an entire biome to itelf where it is perfectly safe from anything but another deino, and you.... ignore all of that to focus on "but deino dies to stego", a matchup it does not by any means have to take (since it can get the same nutri from fish even), and can avoid entirely by just... hiding under water so the stego doesn't even know it's there.

[weak dune]

And yet you're complaining stegos aren't easier to kill

[junior kite]

have you ever watched a nature show and the law nature to know how it works? 😉

[cyan flame]

And none of this relates to your original feedback anyway, far as I can tell

[urban flax]

That's what I thought
You don't know what the square cube law is

[cyan flame]

Also why are we arguing any other values but the ones in game for that matter?

[lapis swallow]

i heard about it with penguins in the antarctic and warmer regions

[junior kite]

it gets one diet plant, not all access to 3. Meaning it has to fight other players to get them. A stego doesn't have to fight over a bush or food.

[lapis swallow]

why the penguins in the antarctic are bigger

[cyan flame]

Deino is also one of the few playables that doesn't have much, if any, detriment to only running one diet, since it's main mechanic, lunge, isn't terribly affected by it, far as I know. Unlike pretty much every other playable, aside from maybe hypsi and ptera possibly.

Also you do have to fight over bushes at times, occassionally someone else wants to eat your food xD

[urban flax]

Let's try to explain it in simple terms :
Regular gator is 1 gator high, 1 gator wide and 1 gator long. It weighs 1 gator and can lift the equivalent of 2 gators.
If you make a big gator that is 2 gators wide, 2 gators long and 2 gators high, it actually weighs 8 gators.
Strength is based on muscle thickness. Muscle length does nothing.
Big gator has muscles 2x as wide, 2x as long and 2x as high as regular gator. Which means it is 4x stronger. So big gator can lift the equivalent of 8 gators, which is its exact weight, not double.

[cyan flame]

I let a sub stego live once, only to find out he ate all of the nearby sumac before I could get there because well, faster than me xD

[junior kite]

You can do what ever you like for all I care, but they're people say different and argue differently with your way of thought. That fact is, I have the ability to change my name and profile or anything about my character and be anyone. That I might very well be your best first and you wouldn't know it. Seen plenty of players in vc backstab someone for the fun of it, which I don't even condone either. But that's what lead to them putting these things into play, from steam id anon, to no more global chat ect.

[cyan flame]

That was both well explained, and hilarious xD

[lapis swallow]

you make videos?

[cyan flame]

What?...

[urban flax]

No, my best friend wouldn't have such bad takes
Also you can't argue mathematic laws

[urban flax]

I will make one

[cyan flame]

I have to admit, I am very confused because it feels like the topic just... shifts and it doesnt make much sense

[junior kite]

Considering you haven't studied enough nature shows, and biology to know how hunting works. I wouldn't be educating people on how things work. A leopard can carry it's prey that is 3 times it weight up a tree. That's realistic.

[lapis swallow]

send me the link once you are done

[urban flax]

Just read this
#general-feedback-discussion message

[urban flax]

Sure

[junior kite]

not convinced lol

seen players share it and even take turns eating it.

[cyan flame]

Okay, but this is a game. Your point is entirely moot because the game does not operate on accurate/realistic balance, otherwise we'd have quite the different playables, and much different balance between them at that.

[junior kite]

I'm not even gonna acknowledge this comment now, because you simply don't get it.

[weak dune]

I've shared kills with all other carni species as an opposing carni species like Deino, Carno, and Ptera as an Omni as well. Herbis ain't special XD

Honestly the only thing I've gotten out of your arguments is that you're mad you can't thanos snap every other playable out of existence without consequence whenever you want

[junior kite]

Actually I can, you simply can't imagine it. Because you simply are simple minded.

[cyan flame]

Either option can happen. Just like carnis can share meals at times too.

[urban flax]

Are you jumping to empty agressivity because you're out of arguments ?

[cyan flame]

I've let baby deinos live and eat from food even if I was low on food, just because well, I don't care much to cannibalize, even on a playable that's meant to do it

[weak dune]

That's exactly what they're doing XD

[junior kite]

You go right ahead, I will love down voting and see the general feed back. Just make sure you don't make it private or a 1 sided arguement view.

[weak dune]

They've been doing it for a while now

[junior kite]

Are you?

[cyan flame]

I don't think you understood what the vid he was going to make is about

It's not an argument or opinion or view from what I understood, but an explanation of how something works

That's not a matter of sides, the square cube law works the way it does, that's just how reality works

[weak dune]

Don't you know apex players are above having things explained to them by us mere peasants who don't know how to play the game?

[junior kite]

You started it, not me. Don't play the victim card with me. I am not the one 3 vs one argument again 1 person lol. I don't even care you guys are teaming up doing that, I find it hilarious though now your complaining about being called out, and you still need wingas and dingas over here to cover for yha.

[urban flax]

It's true, I tend to side with people who share the same opinion as myself. Too bad no one shares your opinion.

[cyan flame]

I can't tell if we're being insulted or not, but at least "our side" has provided proper arguments and tried to stay on topic and all

[junior kite]

No, you tried to use a insult based on intelligence, and in order for that work. You need to have your facts strait. Next time don't teach someone who knows the facts and bs with false facts.

[lapis swallow]

what is this argument even about?

[weak dune]

Ego, mostly

[cyan flame]

What?... I've not insulted you, or even talked about facts per say. I am merely pointing out that the laws of physics work the way they do in real life, it's not a matter of view or arguments, it is what it is.

[junior kite]

again, only 4 people in this room pal lol, 4 and 3 of you are in it lol. I let the votes do the talk, and not your youtube channel, the general votes say different.🤣

[cyan flame]

Or if it's biology maybe, not entirely sure there, but Bubulblu can probably correct me

[lapis swallow]

there is something about stego being able to get grabbed by deino too, right?

[cyan flame]

It's not even an opinion if we're talking about the square cube law, it's... how reality works

[cyan flame]

I think the argument was "gator irl can grab things twice its weight", so thus deino should. And our skeleton here tried to explain that square cube law says it doesnt work like that in real life.

And somehow that became a strange argument or something... not entirely sure myself at this point honestly

[urban flax]

I'm in the process of making the video rn
It's gonna be easier explaining it later that way

[junior kite]

Yha sure you did, you didn't just talk down to me like someone like adult who has a higher open then that over someone with a maybe 10 yr difference. I imagine you was a parent, you're the exact person who tells there kids to stop talking and not having a 2 way conversation, just 1 sides in where you're always right.

[lapis swallow]

bro what? I have discussed with thomas the train engine multiple times and it was never like you have explained

[cyan flame]

No I've not insulted you, or talked down to you. I've been nothing but polite and provided you plenty of arguments and reasons as to why I disagree with your takes, and why I don't see the matchup between deino and stego as bad. And that has nothing to do with Bubul here explaining the square cube law and why deino would not be able to realistically grab things twice it's weight like a smaller gator could (or so I've understood that part of the argument at least)

[junior kite]

Yha you sure have buddy.

[cyan flame]

@rare fractal What do you think of this, kiddo? xD

[junior kite]

Oh need more back up I see. Since you gonna do that, I think were done here.

[cyan flame]

I will shove my stegos thagomizer so far up that you'll look like you're a devil or something for that description :p

[cyan flame]

Nah, that's not for backup, that's for him to see if he agrees with your take on me "talking down on people younger" or what that was about

[chilly matrix]

Lul what kind of argument is that ?

[weak dune]

I should make a post complaining about how omni should be able to fly and its not fair because those pesky pteras keep pecking me when I'm on top of omni rock and I can't follow them into the sky

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/thomas-the-train-gif-25740397

[junior kite]

Then you can do it while being ignored. 👍

[cyan flame]

Fine by me.

[junior kite]

No argument at all, simply I am not acknowledging the elephant in the room.

[junior kite]

Also don't ping me again.

[chilly matrix]

Don’t argue with someone that doesn’t want to understand, as soon as someone shifts the discussion into something around the lines of „you insulted me“ when you only provided facts there is no use in arguing

[cyan flame]

With all due respect, I will respond to you if you talk to me. But sure, I can turn ping on reply off, no problem!

[junior kite]

No you will not, if I comment and you ping me. I am not going to respond to you questions much less comments in discussion for these feedbacks.

So do not ping my name into the channel further.

[cyan flame]

Fair enough. I've been confused the entire discussion, since the "goalposts" seems to have shifted from the original feedback, to something or other, and kept doing so. Not even sure how we ended up here, but it's been an interesting ride at least!

[weak dune]

Bad faith arguments do tend to be interesting lol

[cyan flame]

I don't really care if you respond to me, I will join the convo if I want to add something to it. But I will turn off ping on the reply, so you don't need to worry about that. I normally talk to the "public" in an argument anyway, since other people do read, and they can find something useful from what I say, at least every now and then.

[junior kite]

No you will not, because it will not be happening. I can promise you that.

[chilly matrix]

Knowledge is essential and exclusive. It’s a given right people think they are entitled to have even though it most certainly isn’t. Don’t share your knowledge with someone that doesn’t want to and can’t understand

[cyan flame]

I... don't think you can stop me from joining the convo, even if you can ignore any and all input of course. Not sure what you're trying to achieve there, but sure.

I'll just respond and treat it as talking to everyone else, no worries!

[junior kite]

can't join the discussion if you can't see what I write.

[chilly matrix]

?

[cyan flame]

And, you are going to achieve that how?

[weak dune]

Should somebody tell them blocking only works one way, or XD

[lapis swallow]

if you block people they can see what you write

[chilly matrix]

Well…

[cyan flame]

I won't, I'll just consider it as talking to you and the others. Like if someone here goes "Stego can kill 3 adult deinos", I will respond and explain that no, it can't, not if those deinos have a collective braincell. Even if the person making the claim has blocked me or otherwise do not care for me or so. Because everyone else reading can get the info and get some use out of it.

[chilly matrix]

That’s true, I agree with that but sometimes it will just fuel the fire

Anyways nice discussion you had props are given 👍

[cyan flame]

Fair enough!

[weak dune]

Honestly them blocking just means we can have a discussion that stays on the rails now XD

I'm pretty confident that Carno can bite in mud pits, yeah. Idk about alt bites and they definitely can't charge, though. But to disable teno's only real way of fighting back, in one of the only places it has a fighting advantage, is silly imo.

And obviously we all seem to agree deino vs stego is fine

[lucid mauve]

I just dont understand the discussion with stego vs deino, since both can choose what they want. Fight or not

[weak dune]

I think they just want to be able to thanos snap whatever other playable they want away with ease and they're mad stego checks that pretty hard at times

[chilly matrix]

Apex’s aren’t really meant to fight each other so Willy nilly like that anyway

[weak dune]

Which is fine, because Deino doesn't need to reign completely uncontested to the point they can do anything braindead they want and geta away with it

[chilly matrix]

True, Stego is basically keeping Deino in the water and helps the carni population by stopping deinos that are overly confident and try to steal fresh kills from them on land

[weak dune]

Which is good because nothing else can really compete. Pretty sure a single adult deino can kill an adult carno or a few in fewer attacks than a stego can kill an adult deino

I know I've had a carno that was like 70% grown lose more than half health from one bite from a deino before lol

[cyan flame]

It's not neccesarily the ability to kill, more so the ability to almost "ignore" most other things, even if they come in groups, as long as you don't go too far inland of course.

[weak dune]

oh yeah, deino just brushes off everything else lol

[lucid mauve]

Yea, but with the current rooster they should. Deinos ability is not gonna help it vs larger dinos

And i dont know how the interaction will be with sucho/bary etc, but its for sure gonna be alot harder to grow with them around.

[weak dune]

I mean its fine to adjust it in the future when that becomes relevant, but in the current roster, its fine

in terms of the stego vs deino matchup

it roflstomps everything else

[rare fractal]

Damn I even got @'d and didn't notice xD

[lucid mauve]

yea, but its not like i fear them when on land

[rare fractal]

For the sake of public record I do not consider that "being talked down to" despite being a literal fetus person

[lucid mauve]

Only problem i have with deinos, well actually everything is the damage. I was grown carno and i saw a grown deino far away from water. And i think i hit the deino like 20 + times and it still manages to run to water.

[rare fractal]

Ideally it never does

[cyan flame]

All good then!

[rare fractal]

Deino's entire existences centralizes around it specializing in targets smaller than it

Expanding that range outward not only encrouches it's already far too relevant influence over more of the roster...but is just...terrible for niche partitioning

It would then be combatively equipped for every encounter

Despite it having the most aquatic agency we're aware of, a biome the significant majority can't even follow it into, and the minority of other semi aquatics can't follow it in either

That's about as sensible as giving ptera combat mechanics that allow it to tackle much larger targets than itself

Infinite influence on top of limitless security

[lucid mauve]

Im still shocked about that tail hit not taking fatal dmg, the upvotes lol

[rare fractal]

Oh I don't either, when I discussed it with them we ultimately settled on it being a very minor grievance with realism....

But tbf the reactions to suggestions over the past few days(weeks) have universally been in favor of any idea that makes the game easier for X animal instead of actually making the game better

So it doesn't really surprise me

Like the amount of "buff omni" posts is proof enough of this

Even some wanting buffs for omni considering how overpowered it is in 6.5 already

[lapis swallow]

there are buff omni posts, even now?

[rare fractal]

Yes....somehow

[lapis swallow]

link please

[rare fractal]

Like even ones regarding 6 omni were...I'd say uninformed

But the 6.5 ones are hilarious

[weak dune]

Omni would be fine if it was able to actually out-steer carno again and if Carno's stupidly massive charge hitbox was fixed so that its not the equivalent of a barn hitting a bullet

[rare fractal]

I saw one a couple days ago that was generally accepted, I can't remember from who

[rare fractal]

Well for one, it can outsteer carno easily, especially after all the agility and acceleration debuffs carno has gotten between 6 and 6.5, the only reason it can't is because of that aforementioned hitbox, which in 6.5 has been fixed

Carno is officially the animal in need of help

Charge being broken carried it so hard, statistically it's garbage

[weak dune]

I meant more in U6, not 6.5

I haven't played the stress test at all

so talking about what's on Live

[rare fractal]

Yeah but....even in 6 none of omni's issues were because IT was too weak, it's because other animals were/are too strong primarily due to bugs

6 omni was...like...absolutely the most balanced and functional omni has ever been in the games history

Carno just ruined that perception

And somehow the conversation pivoted from "the nerfs were justified but carno is broken and therefor omni's viability is struggling" to "give us back U5 omni so we can solo carnos"

[weak dune]

Well that's what I mean with fixing the matchup of being able to out-steer and the broken hitbox and otherwise omni is fine

I say this as having been able to successfully juke carnos quite a few times even earlier today

Carno is able to turn after omni way too well in U6

[lapis swallow]

its crazy that people think u5 omni was fine

[rare fractal]

I...I don't even know how to respond to this....omni could outsteer carno's even before it's agility got hit with the U6 nerf hammer, now it's about as easy to do as dodging pre U6 charge was.

Unless you're saying this including charge

[rare fractal]

I deadass blame jurassic world for making a certain niche faction of the playerbase expect a power fantasy out of the OC raptor instead of a balanced playable

[weak dune]

Well the thing is carno can steer about as well as omni, but its also faster, even without charge. If you get caught running from a carno, you'd better hope that you know how to use the terrain lol

main reason I got away was I can jump across rivers and carno can't

[rare fractal]

Carno cannot steer even anywhere close to what omni can, that's just blatantly false

That wasn't even true before carno got it's agility nerfed hard

You could juke and dodge carnos when they could run and turn BETTER than they can rn

[lapis swallow]

yeah, JW and JP depict their velo as a VERY strong animal

[rare fractal]

Leeps 30ft straight into the air, effortlessly clings to any surface, has adamantium bones....can only be put down by rpgs...etc

They also create the bizarre perception that dinosaurs aren't threatened by firearms...etc

I'm not saying they have some sort of bizarre responsibility to account for this I'm just saying..that's what they did xD

[urban flax]

@lapis swallow
https://youtu.be/phXjBf3X7Eo
This took me way too long to make for what it is

I'm kinda tempted to post it in #isle-fan-art but I don't think it fits there

[lapis swallow]

good video

[outer sphinx]

To be fair when the bar of Omni was u2-4s... floating pounce... its easy to compare this to that

[rare fractal]

Yes, but that’s irrelevant

Omni was in a good spot regardless of relative comparison to itself

[outer sphinx]

True

[outer sphinx]

Even back in u2 it wasnt true, and that version of Carno is blatantly too agile

[rare fractal]

Mhm

There hasn’t really been a period of the game where carnos agility was greater

[nocturne spruce]

Carno literally got nerfed wdym

@untold wharf This will take a lot of work, it's hard to balance it.

Some dinos will be so good with their stam, till the point where this buff will make them too good for it to be healthy

so this feature will need alot of consideration

[outer sphinx]

Just make sleeping a new mechanic that allows you to heal faster and regen stam faster

[nocturne spruce]

It's a bit unrealistic

[rare fractal]

You didn’t read any of the context apparently

[outer sphinx]

At the cost of visual and audio

[nocturne spruce]

That's an inappropriate assumption

@rustic parcel Crocs do that IRL doe, sometimes. they're able to sprint things down
not alligators, but crocs

[rare fractal]

It’s the only possible way you could’ve come away with the interpretation you did tbh :p

[untold wharf]

I think it’s a good point to implement the sleep as you’re essentially blinding and deafening yourself- you become essentially at risk where it can’t be proced during combat. What would make it hard to balance if it’s universal?

[outer sphinx]

Not really, our bodies are more able to heal and focus on regenerating during sleep, bc less energy is used on thinking and more on sustaining

[untold wharf]

Make sure you all go like my suggestion about SLEEP! 😄

[nocturne spruce]

Yes really, because you're literally randomly sleeping out of nowhere - in the wild, mid-day, anytime. I don't think any animal does that, animals have certain sleeping routines

Afaik

[outer sphinx]

Could just be a faster sit at the trade of audio and visual, and maybe some animals getting a dif buff or passive when it packs

[untold wharf]

You…. You don’t think animals sleep mid day? Are you, okay? @nocturne spruce

[nocturne spruce]

Some dinos will be very good with their stam already, till the point where they almost become OP when they gain a certain stam buff

So, this suggestion of yours requires the devs to make a specific stam buff that fits to every specific dino

[nocturne spruce]

That's not what I said, you twisted my words

[outer sphinx]

Tie it to the point of day the animal would normaly sleep, or amplify it during those, but not like humans dont sleep midday, or other niamls

Also what is your point with... in the wild... where else would animals be??

[untold wharf]

I reread the comment and I ensure you your words are your words, haha.

[nocturne spruce]

The devs would need to make a specific stam buff, individually, for each dino

[nocturne spruce]

No. You twisted my words

[untold wharf]

You don’t think another living thing naps?

[outer sphinx]

My idea wasnt that, I literally just said make sleep a faster way to heal and regen stam, compared to normal sitting but you are more exposed

[nocturne spruce]

Animals have certain sleeping routines. They don't randomly sleep several times a day, out of their routine. They only do so when they need sleep, and in this mechanic you will be able to do it anytime - constantly

You did twist my words

[untold wharf]

I haven’t had my coffee yet to endure this so early….

[nocturne spruce]

Yeah your idea wasn't that, but i'm going offo f the suggestion

[outer sphinx]

Fair

[nocturne spruce]

With your suggestion, The devs would need to make a specific stam buff, individually, for each dino

This type of feature needs alot of consideration

[untold wharf]

Looks like they better crack out their coffee cups too with me and get to work!

[nocturne spruce]

Problem is.. is the outcome of the feature worth it? Compared to how much work they gotta put in?

[untold wharf]

Yes.

[nocturne spruce]

When the devs want to implement a feature, they ask themselves a few questions

• is it worth it
• how much time will it take
• what will we have to postpone

etc.

I don't think anything with this feature is more important than the other features we're getting in, so why should they postpone them?

[untold wharf]

They’re already exceptional at postponing so why wouldn’t this fall under quality of life improvements on their roadmap once all other things have been implemented?

[outer sphinx]

Also sleep could be a cool way to change dynamics between night and day, and pack and solitary animals, dilos sleeping during day grant a better venom during night, or paras (or another herd animals) moving faster during the day after sleeping during night

[nocturne spruce]

They already postpone alot, so suggesting that they should postpone even more for a feature that isn't even important - is questionable

[untold wharf]

I remember years ago when people said the same thing about a “courting animation”- calling it unnecessary and “why do we need it when you can just put down a nest” ? People laughed at me when I suggested that. And here we are, a courting animation custom created for every gender of ever species.

[nocturne spruce]

The downside is that this promotes afk growth, think of the butterfly effect here.

A sleeping-feature would make the map more dead. People who like to wander around won't see as many dinos, etc.

• this promotes afk growth

[untold wharf]

I don’t think it’s out of the reality. And to think so is a very Debbie downer outlook.

[rare fractal]

Sleep mechanics are somewhat detrimental to gameplay

[untold wharf]

@rare fractal explain why

[nocturne spruce]

• afk growth
• map becomes more dead

you get encouraged for staying still instead of doing dino things

[rare fractal]

Since they by definition put you in a state where you aren’t engaging with anything but a stat buff

You literally gain a stat buff by doing nothing

[outer sphinx]

I specifically mentioned only 2 examples bc only a small handfull of dinos could get more depth out of sleep, most wouldnt need it or shouldnt even get it, dilo beeing the main one in my mind where it might work

[untold wharf]

@outer sphinx that’s a good point

[nocturne spruce]

Ohh okay so this mechanic is something that could be for some dinos, but not for others? like, exclusive to certain dinos?

[rare fractal]

But why would it even exist at all in the first place

I’m still lost on that

[nocturne spruce]

Would you like the map to become

• more dead, with less dinos moving around?

Would you like players to be

• encouraged to AFK-grow and stay still for a stat-buff?

@rare fractal yeah that's what i'm saying ,what is the importance of this?

[outer sphinx]

Dilo is the one that made me have this idea (from concept art) and saw it might be a cool thing for all dinos, some just having extras about it, but just dilo having it was the foundation

[untold wharf]

It’s okay, it’s very easy to become un-lost!

[nocturne spruce]

@untold wharf have you taken these disadvantages into consideration?

[outer sphinx]

Well the tradeoff of putting yourself at a lot of risk

[rare fractal]

But why…

[nocturne spruce]

@outer sphinx Is this mechanic worth it, when we have the disadvantages?
afk growth and a deader map

[rare fractal]

There’s virtually no risk, the method by which you gain these benefits is no different from how everyone grows their Dino’s already, there’s no shortage of secluded bushes to sleep in, and the trade offs to the player landscape are severe

[untold wharf]

• map wouldn’t be dead since this would be limited to stamina and healing, and INFACT makes you a hot flaming target where it can’t be done 123, your screen is dark and you’re making sleeping sounds. So you’re a meal on wheels. 2. I’m not sure where you’re getting this growth spurt idea from as this is only a way to increase stamina for a period of time. Maybe considered for healing.

[rare fractal]

We’re literally rewarding people for getting up and grabbing a snack basically

[nocturne spruce]

@untold wharf When you stay still and sleep, you don't move around. Which means you don't meet players as much.

this makes the map more dead

[untold wharf]

@rare fractal MAYBE to appease this - why can’t one argue that sleeping also depletes your food and water more quickly? So there is incentive to get up and move? So you’re trading your food and water for stamina?

[outer sphinx]

Ye the dead map thats a lot more of a complex topic bc a LOT of things go into it but the afk growth thing could easily be solved by, just having only the adults gain anything

[nocturne spruce]

BRUH

[outer sphinx]

Now afk growth after elders launch is a dif topic but we dont know how that will turn out yet

[nocturne spruce]

Ohhhhhhh I see. Yeah that's an actual solution, only adults gaining anything

But the deader map is an inevitable disadvantage from this mechanic

[untold wharf]

@outer sphinx thank you for seeing the value in my suggestion.

In time, the voters will tell.

[rare fractal]

The trade off is irrelevant, the vehicle by which this transaction is done is fundamentally detrimental to player engagement, sleeping sounds don’t matter unless you’re literally 1 calling, it’s not hard to find places where you can do this in relative safety, and tbh I don’t think players should be able to boost their stam in this at considering how absurdly volatile stamina management is in regards to balancing

[nocturne spruce]

we see value, but we see more disadvantage

[outer sphinx]

This would've happened no matter what anyway, but stuff like migration might change things or straight up even remove such issues but we have to wait and see

[outer sphinx]

I mean... not like the votes mean anything

[nocturne spruce]

Migration won't change the fact that adults have certain parts of their lifetime where they just lay still and sleep.. which makes the map more dead

It makes the map # alot more dead

Even right now with 100 players in the map, the map doesn't feel so alive. so imagien if we had this mechanic

[untold wharf]

I want "no gender" to be an option. Some people don't identify as "male" or "female". I think it's excludes other groups. @nocturne spruce are you just trolling now????

[nocturne spruce]

I don't see how that would hurt the game?

[untold wharf]

Do not post this in a dinosaur survival game, thanks.

[nocturne spruce]

Why?? I would like that to be an option and it has been suggested before

[untold wharf]

It’s all coming together now…

[lapis swallow]

it has always been downvoted into oblivion

[nocturne spruce]

Can any of you answer this question? HOW would it be bad for the game?

How would it hurt the game in any way, to be nonbinary

[lapis swallow]

how does a nonbinary dinosaur nest?

[nocturne spruce]

answer my question please

[untold wharf]

I’m not even going to entertain discussing that.

[outer sphinx]

My idea, based on what I hope migration will do, is that there could be moments like a group of dilos sleeping during day but bc during day most dinos migrate they are at risk of beeing found and easy pickings to others, and during night most dinos would be in a disatvantage and some sleeping so the few night terros puts every diurnal dino on watch rather than sleep or doing screw all

[lapis swallow]

that was my answer

[nocturne spruce]

it didn't show

[outer sphinx]

How does it fit the game? Thats another equaly good question

[untold wharf]

@lapis swallow he’s just trolling I’m sure. Dinosaurs don’t discuss politics or sexual orientation. He can leave that to the furry community.

[nocturne spruce]

I see what you mean. however, we're talking about 10+ players being asleep in large parts of the daytime. which means daytime will be more dead

[cyan flame]

I... don't think those two suggestions are comparable to be honest

[nocturne spruce]

Don't assume my gender. Also, I find it offensive to just accuse me of being a troll even though I never said I was

[outer sphinx]

They are not

[cyan flame]

Sleeping at least does add some functionality, for good or ill, to the game, or can if you do something with it

While the other, I'm not sure but, you would at worst remove the option of nesting for the playable so

[untold wharf]

Leave politics out of video games

[nocturne spruce]

Are you phobic or something? How is it political? I just want to be able to be a nonbinary dino

[outer sphinx]

Aight... this is getting very close to things we should not discuss in a discord server...

[lapis swallow]

How would it benefit the game if we have that option?

[untold wharf]

@cyan flame hello!! Long time no see! You and I use to play on legacy as dillos. I agree with your comment

[cyan flame]

And you can, can you not? The choice is identity, the in game choice is purely ... "physical" as it were

[nocturne spruce]

It would make other groups more included, it would make the game more inclusive, and it just adds a nice option for people who would want it

[nocturne spruce]

But the game labels you "female" or "Male"

[outer sphinx]

Did dinosaurs care about such things?

[rare fractal]

The sex of the dino is an actual mechanic tho

[nocturne spruce]

You don't know if they did or didn't, animals are conscious

[rare fractal]

It’s necessary for nesting

[grand folio]

@nocturne spruce I understand your suggestion as a trans person but it should stay within the realm of possibility

For example, I think it’s good to have a male, female and rare intersex option because all three are scientifically proven to be present in animals

[lapis swallow]

^

[cyan flame]

Yes, and that's physical sex, not identity? You can still identify how you see fit, and play accordingly?

[grand folio]

Us human have much greater intelligence, which is why we understand the concept of gender

[outer sphinx]

... dinos are nowhere near close to the inteligence of today animals... and a monkey or dolphin triumphs the smartest dino tenfold

[rare fractal]

Like it’s not even a part of identification as much as it is a playstyle choice

[lapis swallow]

gender and sex are something very different

[nocturne spruce]

I want to be able not to be either "male" or "female" in the isle

[grand folio]

That’s not exactly true

[rare fractal]

Will probably be possible when humans come in proper

[nocturne spruce]

You don't know whether or not dinos were. Also, animals are conscious

[grand folio]

Intersex is a scientific not male or female

[cyan flame]

I don't think conscious relates to intelligence, unless you mean something else with that word

[nocturne spruce]

I'd rather be intersex than have to identify as "male" or "female" in the isle

[lapis swallow]

but how would it benefit the game mechanically?

[outer sphinx]

Yes we cant send a crew team back in the cretaceous but we can estimate their brain capacity and inteligence through other means

[nocturne spruce]

Consciousness is all you need in order to be able to wonder abt your gender

[outer sphinx]

Its not a perfect solution but its the closets we can get rn

[grand folio]

It just doesn’t work with the games current structure

[rare fractal]

I don’t identify with the sex of the animal I’m playing, it’s a playstyle choice whether I want to make eggs or not, I identify with my animal through skin customization…etc