general-feedback-discussion

[rancid raptor]

games from RG are way more complex than "pvp humans", way harder to make than a dino survival sim lets be honest

Balancing a game like GTA 5 whilst still making it viable as an option against other games is an extremely hard task, specially when you have sooooo many competitors

It's harder to make a pvp system between dinos than it is between humans, that's factual though yes

[tall hearth]

I'm not discussing proper management for a small Indie team of like, 20 something with 3 programmers. It's kinda hard to. Ik dondis had his fair share of "oopsies" at past jobs too. He ain't perfect sure. But I think the teams doing well with what they've got. And I hope they continue growing and improving

[rancid raptor]

I'm not familiar with the oopsies you just mentioned, but with proper management and enough resources - managing new devs is not among the hardest of tasks

yeah assasin's creed is getting plagued by politics, many franchises are just bad

i doubt rockstar is meeting that same fate tho

[north quiver]

I await the day rdr2 has a hacker purge

[rancid raptor]

Yeah well, when you're a multi billion company - you tend not to care about old games, and you rather focus on continuing your legacy.

cough GTA 6

i'm convinced that game will take place in 1900s

[north quiver]

I wouldn’t know anything about gta 6. I got tired of AAA titles a while ago

but anyways I’m sure the isle has their reasons for not hiring more people

[rancid raptor]

Rockstar's never missed though

[lilac bolt]

they put out applications on twitter recently

[rancid raptor]

@rigid grotto Wait until there's better optimization

[north quiver]

well then there you have it. I guess they are hiring. just a matter of finding the right people

[lilac bolt]

yup

[rigid grotto]

either they increse cap or they fix the player numbers

[lilac bolt]

they need a vfx artist,a technical animator, and a animator

[rancid raptor]

Better optimization first

[rancid raptor]

No optimization = No increased playercaps

[north quiver]

I’d appreciate more servers. seems like all of the servers have been filling up like crazy compared to last update

[flint hearth]

SPEAKING SPANISH?

[barren zephyr]

are u ok?

[barren crater]

<@&933486433342222376>

They're going through every channel

[indigo gulch]

welcome to hackers

[lucid robin]

can u really argue with the coconut one

i mean they're halves, theres 2 of them lol

[rare fractal]

It's not possible, it just makes sense

[lucid robin]

it just does

[rare fractal]

Alternatively to maintain internal consistency, we could just make it so when dinos die the front half of their body just dematerializes via cosmic intervention

[lucid robin]

yeah... that

[rare fractal]

I mean...it just makes sense

[lucid robin]

yeh

[hybrid oxide]

@ivory seal probably people are putting X because we don't want the update to be released earlier with tons of bugs just for the sake of having the update earlier. In my opinion is way better to have it when they decide is polished enough for us to get it.

[ivory seal]

Yeah but when u look at What they are working on its dibble, not the dinos in 6,5. So I think they should be finished to put out

[uneven mist]

The reason Bryan is working on dibble is because he is done with everything in 6.5 and is working on dibble and other things

[glass fossil]

you can work on stuff while bug checking other things at the same time

[uneven mist]

Also it isn’t is the Stress Test as we know so releasing it now would not be a good move at all

[limber hull]

there's more than just dino animations needed to release U6.5

[limber hull]

well, Bryan also doesn't do bug fixes, he just does animations, so him working on animations is perfectly logical

[glass fossil]

ye i didnt say otherwise

[limber hull]

All g, many people just think "dev = bug fixer/programmer/level designer/artists"

[deep belfry]

With regards to the Cory suggestion - would it be optional or not? If it wasn't optional, there is the issue of predators using it to easily find your location, and then just waiting it out until daylight comes

[woven gull]

I think it would be cool if there was height difference amongst same species. For example lets say u spawn in as an omniraptor. From spawn it sets ur final height. So some adult omniraptors will be taller or longer than others. It just adds that tiny bit of diversity. Even further there could be added chances of getting sharper claws aka more bleed dmg. Or more energy aka more stam and heal speed. Atleast the height thing could be cool. It would work for when elder is in too. So u can look bigger than u r or smaller than u r

[urban flax]

So you get a random chance of getting worse stats for no reason at all ? Sounds great indeed

[woven gull]

The stats thing yes. But also for better. The size thing would not create any difference. Just make u smaller or taller

[urban flax]

That's also an advantage or disadvantage decided randomly...

[woven gull]

Yea i see. But not on a stat based level tho

[latent olive]

good thing you posted that, ive changed my post up a bit

[north quiver]

I strongly believe everyone of the same species should have an equal chance across the board with only diets affecting your buffs (which should ONLY be buffs like health regen, stam regen, etc. and NOT extra damage, more health, etc.). god please don’t make this even remotely similar to DoD or BoB. it’ll sicken me hearing about people nesting just to try to upstat (and then people gatekeeping stats and killing off those who do manage to get good stats). IMHO the eldering system is borderline for me just because of how DoD did it, but the isle can definitely make it better, and I hope they will

[woven gull]

alr so lets forget abt the extra dmg and stam and -dmg all that stuff. the original idea was chances for different heights/lenghts in your dinosaur. providing no buffs yet ur dino may look bigger and on its road to elder when it isnt or on its road to elder when it in reality only is adult

[urban flax]

Randomness is bad.
Especially in an online game.
Even more in an online survival game.

[limber hull]

To be honest, I'm not entirely against minor cosmetic changes. For example, the ability for dinosaurs to have different call pitches. Only a little higher or lower pitched, but enough to make different calls sound slightly unique

[urban flax]

And that goes with a slider in the character menu, not at random

Character creation*

[limber hull]

nesting

[urban flax]

You should have a character creation menu when being nested in as well

But with more limited choices depending on your parents

[woven gull]

Nesting was made to be randomness between the 2 parents. If u got skin choice it would be more like bob

[urban flax]

No
How would it be like BoB ? If it is because players who are nested in are given a choice, then that's one thing BoB does better than The Isle

[woven gull]

choosing ur color pallette(or however u spell it) between ur mom & dads colors is a bad idea. nesting is supposed to be random

[urban flax]

How is it a bad idea, and why is it supposed to be random ?

[woven gull]

because thats how it is. thats how it always have been. its in bob too. bob is just lets u change colors from 0.4-0.8

[urban flax]

"that's how it is" is not a valid answer. You understand things change in game development, right ?

[woven gull]

meh. this getting us nowhere. u have ur opinion i got mine. deal?

[urban flax]

I would like to know where your opinion comes from

[woven gull]

from when i started playing isle on legacy. ever since legacy till now nesting skins have been random

[urban flax]

And that's your reasoning ? Things have been like that for a long time so they should stay as they are forever ?

[north quiver]

a big appeal to nesting is randomness because you gain nothing from being nested in. you don’t know what colors you’re going to get so it’s a surprise when you pop out of the egg. and if you don’t like the colors, you can try more eggs or even respawn to choose your own colors and start out better than the ones nested in

nesting isn’t required at all to get better stats, so you don’t have to feel forced to be stuck with skins you don’t like

[urban flax]

For many players it's a letdown much more than an appeal
Players don't want to be nested it because they don't want to end up with an ugly skin, as often happens when skins are distributed randomly

[north quiver]

I’ve ironically never met someone that told me they don’t try to get nested in because they don’t like the chance of getting an ugly skin

[urban flax]

I've unironically been disappointed with the skin I've got every time I've been nested in

[faint folio]

I mean, you can do a middle ground. Just a skin selection menu with a "Randomize" button if you want to wildcard it

[urban flax]

The fact all siblings look the same doesn't help either

[north quiver]

I see more people complaining about how no one nests and how they want eggs than people complaining about color lol

[north quiver]

yea I do agree there needs to be more randomness rather than being a carbon copy of a parent

I’d support patterns mixing together to make a new pattern

[latent olive]

@burnt bone did you take inspiration from my previous burrow post regarding taco's quill trap lmao

cos i love psittacosaurus vietcong niche

spikeboards and whatnot

[burnt bone]

probably, I remember hearing it somewhere in here

[latent olive]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-red-tegu-eat-gif-15773130

[burnt bone]

oh then yeah it was definitely yours, I remember punji traps

[latent olive]

those are the ones lmfao

[limber hull]

taco hell labyrinth niche

[burnt bone]

exactly

[latent olive]

psittaco teaming up with rauisuchus and its claymore mines

[burnt bone]

like I want taco to spend most of its life in its burrows, maybe not even migrating at all or very rarely.

[latent olive]

it aint moving anywhere anytime fast 💀

mr. taco (neckbeard niche)

[burnt bone]

Use its small size and stealth outside of burrows, and good luck leaving the burrow if you chase on in

[latent olive]

all fun and games chasing the taco until you enter the burrow and get blasted by an AK47

[limber hull]

The troodon pack 10 seconds upon entering taco's burrow
https://youtu.be/q-Q_e6hxyyA

[burnt bone]

lmao

[limber hull]

A labyrinth with no exit, a maze with no prize

[latent olive]

lmfao

[burnt bone]

that fits too perfectly

[limber hull]

If taco can actually create elaborate hell burrows where hunters must first pass its tricks and traps to dare attack it, I'll love it more than anything

[latent olive]

dead by daylight psittacosaurus

[limber hull]

I genuinely want the taco's burrows to be almost terrifying for the invader, with these twisting labyrinthian halls only the resident knows how to navigate

[burnt bone]

The best part about it, with my suggestion, the more tacos you have, the larger the burrow you can make. You add nesting into the equation, and now you have a taco burrow that spans an entire biome

[limber hull]

"Welcome to the city of the damned"

[latent olive]

megalania raiding a psittaco burrow not knowing that its about to plunge 50 feet into the earth

[limber hull]

I really do fully agree with the concept of taco being the ultra burrower

Nothing can dig and build like a taco

[burnt bone]

https://tenor.com/view/fall-kirby-drop-falling-deep-gif-17081698

[limber hull]

I'd also love for tacos to have insane complexity, having "farm" rooms where they can feed on roots and fungus that grow in their dark and damp underground burrow

[latent olive]

it would be funny as hell if taco could dig vertical burrows

anything holding shift + w in the burrow would be in for a nasty surprise

a spiro surprise

[north quiver]

I support this with every inch of my being

[burnt bone]

exactly why I suggested it. However, I do still want to incur vulnerability periods for taco, it shouldn't just be immortal when a burrow gets set up. It should have to leave occasionally for food and water.

[limber hull]

I'd say water

It dry down there

[burnt bone]

I personally say a bit of both.
you have to leave occasionally to get fruits to feed a fungus or feed yourself, tho not very often since you can prob feed on whatever you can drag in for a while.
You can also likely have a puddle room for when it rains, you get a small pool of water for a bit, but you have to leave to get water any other time.

If we make it only water, then taco only needs 1 route, making it need multiple resources make it require multiple routes and more chances to be vulnerable

[north quiver]

let them work together to pick up and drag food in large amounts into the burrow like a colony of little ants

[junior abyss]

#general-feedback message oh my god YES i legit died 4 times in a day due to this horrible mapping, twice i was adult teno? like i dont see the logic behind that planning

[lucid robin]

punch is ping-able right?

[barren zephyr]

Yes, I believe punch is ping-able

[lucid robin]

ty

#general-feedback message
@crystal trail the fact that a coconut which gets cracked open only drops one half has bugged me for soooo long, what are ur thoughts about it? i think it just makes sense for a coconut to drop 2 separately-carriable coconut halves.

[supple wharf]

"although there was way out planned for you, i have a feeling that's not what you want" they were thinking of sparing the taco, but they were too hungry to give up it

[fair drum]

any idea of when we get the new dinos

[icy lion]

In update 6.5

[fair drum]

do you when there dropping it

[icy lion]

Check rule 10 #rules-and-info

@lofty walrus Check rule 11 #rules-and-info

[fair drum]

wow seriously. what a stupid rule lol

what happens if i dont follow the rules for this discord

[icy lion]

You get muted or banned, depending on the situation

[fair drum]

good thing i dont give a ****

[icy lion]

You sure?

[fair drum]

its just a discord chat.

[limber hull]

he's so cool and rebellious

[scarlet ocean]

This man was snapped out of existence so fast

[limber hull]

i dont think he's gone

[scarlet ocean]

He is, he is no longer in the server

U can see that through Mutual Servers, he isn’t here anymore I mean he sort of got what he wanted

So it’s a W W for us and him

[barren crater]

@kindred flame yes to allo

[limber hull]

"Bite would be better than carno but worse than cerato"

IDK how to tell you this but it's likely cera's bite will be weaker than carno's

also allo climbing would look absurd

[lapis swallow]

THE ALLOSAURUS never looks absurd (it would look very absurd)

[cyan mountain]

@tidal prawn spinos sail should be a sensitive thing for the Spino, irl if the Spino broke its spine it was very fatal. So I believe it'd make sense to make the sail a vulnerable point for Spino. It'd make Spinos think twice before attacking a Rex and make it utilize water more

[limber hull]

thats not fun at all though

[cyan mountain]

How, just keep your sail away from the attacker

Most things couldn't reach it anyways

[limber hull]

your GIANT sail that stands well above your body, in the very middle?

pretty sure the idea of spino shouldn't be "extremely weak in a specific area that can outright disable it"

[cyan mountain]

It wouldn't disable it, just have dire consequences, only reason it'd break is if 2 creatures that could even reach it and have the power to fracture it got to your side, but at that point just go into the water. And it'd take skill to actually manage to get ahold of the sail if the Spino isn't sitting down. Sauropods have a better chance of hitting the sail than Rex

[limber hull]

then it's an arbitrrary mechanic

literally only a tiny amount of animals can even interact with that

[cyan mountain]

Exactly, some have a better chance of killing a Spino than others

[limber hull]

rex and a few sauropods, the sauropods spino loses to regardless of the spine thing

[lapis swallow]

It would be the same as saying: "Lets have stego break its plates off and then it takes more damage to the body because L you that somebody landed a big bodyshot on a very large animal"

[cyan mountain]

I meant spino

Not everything should have the same chance of killing an animal, some are better suited and some aren't

[lapis swallow]

Not to mention that deino could easily screw over spinos in the water by just biting their sails

[cyan mountain]

Like Anky for example

[cyan mountain]

Spino would have to remain wary then, problem solved. Also doesn't account for if Deink could even deal bone break

[lapis swallow]

But why should you add this very specific long lasting type of fracture to one playable that can only be triggered by a select few playables?

[tall hearth]

Rex fan moment

[cyan mountain]

Because it encourages specific animals to hunt specific prey

[lapis swallow]

You know that spino seems to be encouraged to hunt ankys, right?

[cyan mountain]

Do you want Allo to have the same chance of fracturing a Spinos sail as a Rex?

[tall hearth]

I dont want anything fracturing spinos sail.

[cyan mountain]

Anky can't reach the Spinos sail unless the Spino is sitting down

[lapis swallow]

i dont want the sail fracture at all

[cyan mountain]

Is Spinos sail just indestructible now

Why wouldn't that be a weak point

[tall hearth]

In terms of game balance, yes

[lapis swallow]

It just gets bodyfractured, like all playables

[cyan mountain]

It is balanced, Spino can just go in the water

[lapis swallow]

Why should we?

[tall hearth]

So spino should run from rex every time cause it doesnt want the fracture?

[cyan mountain]

Because realistically it was a weak point? It also clearly has less rough skin on it than the rest of the body on the model

[limber hull]

why does the apex predator require a very specific weak point, when it already has the head as a weakpoint

[cyan mountain]

Just don't let Rex get to the sail

It encourages Spino to play defense, utilize water more, gives attackers a goal to aim for, gives Spino a reason to remain wary

[tall hearth]

That's advice similar to "stay dry" when its raining

[cyan mountain]

Because if you try face tanking a Spino while the Spino is slashing you'll more than likely die if you're not an Anky or Sauropod

[limber hull]

or you can balance spino by making it slower on land, meaning it'd need to go to water when overwhelmed due to its slower speed?

[cyan mountain]

Same logic as not letting smth aim for your head?

[cyan mountain]

You're acting like giving Spinos sail a weak point will be catastrophic. It's easily avoidable and circumstantial

Not everything can reach the sail in the first place, and the things that can need to reach the sail first. Which a Spino can easily defend

If it's overwhelmed go into the water

[limber hull]

let allo break its arm so it can't use them anymore by the same logic

[cyan mountain]

Not the same logic at all

[limber hull]

break deino's tail, since it uses that for swimming

[tall hearth]

When omni gets bucked off of prey too big it should get leg fractured

[limber hull]

cherius should have its claws broken

[cyan mountain]

That's just normal height damage

[lapis swallow]

Because it falls down violently

[limber hull]

just give every animal a very specific niche case scenario where they get debuffed

[tall hearth]

No that's the weakness. Not player skill and combat planning. I want the game to hard cap what players can do

(I'm joking)

[lapis swallow]

Let hypsi puke if it spits too much

[tall hearth]

Add a tripping mechanic when dinos go below 10% stam when running. They have a chance to trip and get a body fracture.

Just dont go below 10% stam silly

[cyan mountain]

Your points are absurd, the sail isn't an arm or a tail and it did not serve any defensive purposes so it should not be treated as one. Realistically the sail was undoubtedly a weak point, and although the isle's Spino isn't accurate it still is a Spino. The Sail should be a weak point, it makes Spinos life harder which is needed. Some points like "so a Deino could just bite it" supports the idea that Spinos shouldn't be wary, all of your circumstances can be easily avoided if you're just wary of your surroundings. It's not that hard. Spino can easily not let a rex get to its side but just turning. You need to be wary if you want to survive.

[urban flax]

The one thing I don't understand with that spino sail fracture thing is... Why do this instead of just making spino balanced ?

[cyan mountain]

It makes Apex life harder

[urban flax]

Why does spino needs a specific extreme fracture type ?

[cyan mountain]

You can balance Spino and add that. Making the sail as a weak point is not a game changer

[tall hearth]

What are your ideas for other apexes then, or just spino?

[cyan mountain]

A punishment for being stupid

[lapis swallow]

The points are just like yours: "just be wary of not getting bucked off/ hit in the arm/ hit your hypsi spit first try/ be wary of your stam"

[tidal prawn]

Permanent debuffs are just bad in general they dont provide a fun mechanic and are just frustrating
Dinos will hunt or challenge other dinos according to their strenghts and weaknesses regardless of an arbitrary and unfun system which will handicap you long term

[urban flax]

But it's baseless
If you want to make apex life harder, just make them hard to grow or to sudtain, idk, why do you need to give spino specifically a special fracture type for that ?

[cyan mountain]

I don't have any other suggestions for other Apex's yet since that suggestion was focused on Spino

[lapis swallow]

If that sounds silly, the sail fracture does too

[limber hull]

make spino slow brawler type?

[cyan mountain]

I never said it was permanent

[limber hull]

thats already a niche that gives it weaknesses

[urban flax]

A punishment for trying to act like an apex and fight things you mean ?
A punishment for being stupid and choosing the weak and vulnerable spino over rex ?

[cyan mountain]

What happens after the growth? An easy life? It should still be difficult. Apex's should not be given any free passes. This makes Spinos life more difficult if fallen under a specific circumstance

[urban flax]

Read the rest of my message please

[tall hearth]

Maybe make apex growth harder?

[limber hull]

so in order to make apex life harder, you chose to make spino specifically have a weak point, while rex and giga remain the same lol

[tidal prawn]

Even if its only "long lasting" as you stated why should one playable get such a harsh debuff for a "long" period of time
Feels just unfair and not fun at all

[urban flax]

Look, spino is designed to be a fighter animal. Giving it a special mechanic that punishes it for going fighting is literally the opposite of its purpose.

[cyan mountain]

Punishment like rushing into a fight with 2 rex's and one gets to your side and grabs ur sail? Or sitting down next to an Anky or Trike or Stego? Punishments like sitting in the water unaware of your surroundings? This does not make Spino weak. Spino vs Rex? Spino needs to play defensive, it's not hard to keep a Rex away from ur side, just turn and defend yourself. Spino should not be offensive. It's not that hard

[tidal prawn]

Exactly I just dont get the point the fun or value of such a statement

[urban flax]

So you add an extra punishment to punish spino players in situations in which it would already be punished and probably die anyways ?

[cyan mountain]

I never said they should stay the same, I offered a weak point for the Spino in a reasonable place. This wasn't about other Apex's and their debuffs it was about Spino

[limber hull]

making spino one of the slowest non-sauropod animals in the game, bar-anky, is a perfectly reasonable weakness

[tidal prawn]

Also this is not a roguelike this is a survival game

[urban flax]

How is it even related to being offensive or defensive

[cyan mountain]

A sail fracture should not be treated lightly, it was the result of punishment for something you did. It should be able to heal tho no doubt

[urban flax]

Besides it only change its matchup against animals that can apply fractures

[cyan mountain]

A Spino vs Rex matchup should not mean certain death for Spino

[cyan mountain]

Because you'd need to defend your sail

[limber hull]

you know what else you shouldn't treat lightly? Body, leg and head fractures ,all of which spino can already get

[tidal prawn]

If your feedback would make it to the game it would

[cyan mountain]

Exactly, so you shouldn't even worry that much as this is very circumstancial

[shell flax]

yall so bent on making the game so realistic yall gonna forget about making the game fun for the players

[cyan mountain]

True, but the sail is not indestructible

[limber hull]

neither is a tail

[urban flax]

But what's the positive then ? What good does thos give for gameplay ?
It's not like it is the only way of making spino need to be wary of its surrounding
And it isn't the best one either

[cyan mountain]

Not if you just defend yourself. You're acting like a Rex can just walk to the side of a Spino with no trouble at all. You can turn, it's called turning. Defending yourself. It is not the end of the world

[tidal prawn]

But it doesnt really matter that much since the devs talked about that kind of stuff a while back and they specifically said they wont implement such long lasting crippling injuries and such so..

[shell flax]

Theres already so much stuff everyone has to worry about to keep themselves alive and you want to add another priority to one player base, that doesnt seem enjoyable

[tidal prawn]

Also this

[urban flax]

You know what would be a good compromise, if you think spino's sail should be a weakspot ?
Have it suffer 125% blunt damage compared to the body.
There, spino gets a weakspot, no extra fracture needed, no bs

[cyan mountain]

Encourages Spino to use the water more, punishes overconfident and stupid decisions, makes players think before involving themselves in something, gives specific animals a goal to look for, makes Apex life harder for Spino, encourages defensive playstyle in a fight

[cyan mountain]

Then scrap the idea of it being long lasting

[urban flax]

And you really need a special fracture type just for that ?
Wait, what would a sail fracture actually do ? What makes it so special ?

[limber hull]

that's fair

[cyan mountain]

If I Rex manages to grapple onto a Spinos sail with its jaws should that not crush the sail?

[urban flax]

If it deals enough damage yes
Otherwise no

[limber hull]

if rex manages to grapple onto a trikes horn, would its jaws not crush the horn, renderring it unusable? Or crush the shield on its head, weakening its defences

[cyan mountain]

Temporary stat debuffs, after all your spine was just fractured

[cyan mountain]

I never said it should be a guaranteed fracture

[lapis swallow]

Thats a body fracture for you

[shell flax]

turn spinos into piscivorous/scavangers when the perk system is implemented that encourages them to stay near bodies of water, no need to punish them with weakspots

[lapis swallow]

Great, lets add RNG, that has always been a great idea in the history of literally anything

[cyan mountain]

Are you comparing sharp horns used for defense to a sail attached to the spine of an animal that was not used for defense at all?

[limber hull]

You see, just because something could be broken/fractured, doesn't mean it should be

[tidal prawn]

But why only spino shouldnt a ceratopsid could break its horns or a megalania Idk lose its tail and suffer more damage from "tail bites"

[tall hearth]

RNG bonebreak in legacy was my favorite

[cyan mountain]

I meant more, beyond low stam

[tall hearth]

NOT

[limber hull]

yea, under this logic, let animals lose their tails

[tidal prawn]

[cyan mountain]

Why shouldn't we punish Apex's for being stupid

[limber hull]

why should we punish spino for being spino

[lapis swallow]

Isnt getting damaged punishment enough?

[limber hull]

and the apex isn't "being stupid" by having its sail fractured

[tidal prawn]

Then we should punish everyone for being "stupid" or shouldnt we

[cyan mountain]

Trike horns and Spinos sail are two very different things and are not comparable

[shell flax]

if they get into the water chasing after a spino then thats their mistake, that encourages spino to dominate in the water and stay near the water balancing the apexes

[limber hull]

pachy runs down a juvi spino and breaks its sail, shouldn't have been stupid i guess

[cyan mountain]

No, Apex life should be difficult as to discourage everyone from playing apexs

[tidal prawn]

Yeah exactly

[shell flax]

T-Rexes can stay in the ground specially in open areas dominating and spinos can dominate near beaches, deep rivers, swamps and lakes. seems pretty balanced to me

[lapis swallow]

What a silly little spinofaarus it was

[tall hearth]

There are better ways to punish bad or stupid players than by hardcapping what a player can do overall. I'd rather we not have 2 "bite here 2 win" spots on spino

[lapis swallow]

Then make it actually difficult and not frustrating in a weird way

[cyan mountain]

Yes we should, but that suggestion wasn't about anything other than Spino

[cyan mountain]

Adding a sail as a weak point would do the same, it would encourage Spinos to stay near water

[cyan mountain]

Juvie Spinos don't have a sail, but if they do it should

[limber hull]

apex life being difficult should not equal spino being punished for being spino

[shell flax]

I already told you turning them into piscivores does that,

[cyan mountain]

It's not frustrating it's easily avoidable

[cyan mountain]

They will definitely eat more than just fish

[shell flax]

making them slower on land than on water does that too, adding a weakspot is a punishment

[cyan mountain]

It isn't being punished for being a Spino it's being punished for being stupid

[limber hull]

you know what else is a hard to hit, high up weakpoint that can be fractured and punishes it for dumb plays? The head lol

[lapis swallow]

"Oh, the rex got a lucky sailhit on my while trading bites, I am so stupid"

[limber hull]

Literally already have the head

[shell flax]

not if you make it part of their perk system, strict diets

[cyan mountain]

If you let the rex get to your side then yes absolutely

[tall hearth]

With how turning in place works i imagine itd be easy

[cyan mountain]

I doubt the devs would do that

[shell flax]

this guy just doesnt want to lose, literally everyone is telling you its a bad idea.

[lapis swallow]

How many times in a fight does your opponent get to your side?

[shell flax]

they already said they are going to implement a perk system, how hard do you really think it would be to implement diets on dinos

[limber hull]

The head is already exactly what you're asking for, except it punishes dumb plays more and requires more skill to hit

[shell flax]

stop making sense

[tall hearth]

You dont want the rex to hit your sail so you turn...but then also dont want to facetank the rex so you have to turn more...so you just run away.

[cyan mountain]

They will definitely change movement for Apex's, the devs can't let the standard movement apply to Apex's cuz then Gigas have no chance of killing Rex's etc.

[cyan mountain]

It will have fish no doubt, but not the entire diet

[lapis swallow]

So you will just pull something out of thin air without answering my question? Checks out

[cyan mountain]

I'm busy and I've been responding to like 3 different people

You're not the highlight

[shell flax]

oh so they can add a weakspot to make them stay on water, but making them dependent on one food source that could achieve the same thing is unheard of?

[cyan mountain]

Also I answered your question

[lapis swallow]

You took the time to think of a answer, so you have absolutely the time to answer my question properly

[cyan mountain]

Making a Spino rely on fish? The fish in game can't sustain a Spino. And Spino is clearly being supported a semi aquatic lifestyle. It will use land, check the concepts. It stays near the water but it still hunts animals

Also fyi my phone is about to die

[lapis swallow]

You did not, you said something totally unrelated. I asked how many times your opponent gets to your side in combat, you said something about apex movement system that we did not even talk about

[cyan mountain]

I answered your question, the movement system for Apexs will need to change. As of now big fights just consist of face tanking and tail riding

[shell flax]

So youre saying that for the spino to be sustained on a fish diet it would have to hunt more fish therefore stay in water longer?

Its almost like its encouraging Spino players to stay near bodies of water and far away from T-Rexes, forcing encounters only when needing to migrate.

[cyan mountain]

It was absolutely related

[lapis swallow]

Do you know that from official sources? If not, please consider answering my question

[lapis swallow]

In what way?

[shell flax]

like increasing the AI spawning of fish wouldnt help with that issue either...

[lapis swallow]

Because I asked you about fights with the current movement system

[cyan mountain]

The current movement system can't apply to Apex's as it's destined to change

[lapis swallow]

Do you have official sources on that?

[shell flax]

the spino also already does less damage than the T-Rex and the giga and you want it to have another weakspot. 💀

[limber hull]

spino being a hunter is still something i disagree with, and basically everything it's seen hunting is VERY slow (anky, deinocherius, deino)

[tall hearth]

Destined to change in what way? Why would the current movement not work for apexes

[lapis swallow]

To have a fake argument in this discussion

[limber hull]

@broken breach to be fair, a 3080 isn't going to be helping much with decreasing CPU cost

[broken breach]

All I know is Nvidia optimises the game and I have to turn it down. Otherwise sparkling rubbish graphics.

[north quiver]

if you’re using geforce experience or something to optimize it I wouldn’t. It’s trash imo and it never does me any good lol deleting the config folder and just manually setting the settings myself seemed to help a lot. setting a different screen resolution and messing with the anti aliasing or whatever it’s called seems to give the screen random blurry effects so maybe don’t touch those

[north quiver]

what’s your cpu?

[broken breach]

GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080
CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core Processor
Memory: 32 GB RAM (31.93 GB RAM usable)
Current resolution: 2560 x 1440, 144Hz

[north quiver]

yea don’t let nvidia do that optimization crap through geforce experience

[broken breach]

I don't use Nvidia to optimise it. That was just an example.

[stone mantle]

huh. my pc is worse in almost every way i think and the game performs fine. wonder if it's because i have an AMD gpu?

[cyan mountain]

Because... It'd just be face tanking..? Every seen a Deino vs Deino fight on land? Or Stego vs Stego? Just spamming attacks until someone falls

[tall hearth]

How does changing movement prevent facetanking? I don't get it

[cyan mountain]

It'd still be hunting them then

[limber hull]

thats how it is with basically every single "cannibal" fight

[limber hull]

Deino outswims it, cherius more than likely outruns it, anky simply doesn't care most of the time

[cyan mountain]

Allowing bigger animals to walk backwards and have counter abilities would be the only way to prevent it tbh unless you can offer some other idea

[cyan mountain]

Not for small tiers

[limber hull]

yes for small tiers

omni is "pounce and kill"

pachy is "headbutt and then finish off"

[tall hearth]

Other big animal walks forward, so it's still facetanking

[cyan mountain]

So pretty much it can't walk up on an animal, surprising. Also more than likely a Cherry player would definitely stay to fight a Spino if they aren't in critical condition or outnumbered

[limber hull]

cannibal fights are universally boring as hell

[limber hull]

doubt the cherry is fighting spino, it's much smaller and would be better off fleeing than risking its life

[cyan mountain]

A pachy can survive the first ram if there diet is specific, but those aren't face tanking. It's utilizing abilities and if one survives they'll be certain to run around

[limber hull]

based on how strong they want spino, yea, cherry ain't taking that

[cyan mountain]

What?

[cyan mountain]

Idk about weight but Cherry is taller than Spino, also has very big hands along with Spino. They will definitely fight. It's even implied in concepts

[tall hearth]

Spino walks backwards to "stop facetanking", rex walks forwards to keep facetanking.

[limber hull]

cherry is implied to be slightly stronger than a sucho in concepts lol, ain't no way it's fighting spino

[cyan mountain]

Cherry was literally fighting a Spino in concept. And it didn't really show Cherry running from anything in the concept unless I'm mistaken

[limber hull]

In spino's concept, spino was kicking cherry's ass. In cherry's concept, the only thing close to a spino cherry fights is a sucho

[cyan mountain]

The Sucho was being slaughtered by Cherry, cherry was not damaged in that concept

[limber hull]

If they wanted spino to be on par with cherry, it would've been shown in the concept art, it very clearly was not

[cyan mountain]

It was one slash, and in Cherry's concept it was overpowering the Sucho. We don't know if the Cherry is struggling or not since the concepts show very little

[cyan mountain]

That's like saying why wasn't Spino or Giga on Rex's concept

[limber hull]

Regardless, it's pretty obvious to me cherry is not winning that fight. The devs plans for sucho makes cherry very unlikely to do much in that scenario

[limber hull]

giga was in rex's concept

[cyan mountain]

Anyways we've digressed. Your points are ridiculous as to why the sail shouldn't be a weak point

[cyan mountain]

Oh my fault

[limber hull]

the concept arts like to show off the matchups. It's rather telling that spino was absent in cherry's

[cyan mountain]

Spino utilizes its claws to slap the Rex away

[cyan mountain]

My point was Spinos sail not Cherry

[limber hull]

okay, back to your point, spino's sail can exist as an extention to its body. Maybe even give it a 1.25 damage mod, idk why, but sure

But giving it a unique fracture type for no reason? Nah

The hell would a sail fracture even do that body, head or leg fractures don't already

[cyan mountain]

Why? Because it makes sense, Spinos sail was not covered in armour it was not a defensive part of the body

[limber hull]

what's the point of fracturing a sail? What unique debuffs should only spino have access to

[cyan mountain]

Similar to a body fracture in the sense that stats get temporarily lowered for an extended period of time depending on the severity

[limber hull]

"Stats temporarily lowered"

That's... Not what body fracture does

Body fracture increases stam consumption and deals low damage on jump

That's literally all it does

[cyan mountain]

More than just stam decrease is what I meant, less damage output and less damage able to take temporarily. Weaker and sensitive

[limber hull]

So, a head fracture?

Like a head fracture, it reduces damage done

So you could stack a head and sail fracture to make spino a pathetic mess

[cyan mountain]

Head fracture obscures vision and lowers food and water intake and maybe lower bite force idk. It could also slowly take tiny bits of health away until its healed, so overall yes it is similar to a combination of different fractures

[limber hull]

Head, body, leg and sail = low damage, no speed to retreat and no stam to maintain the fight, but the addition of more damage taken and even LESS damage done

[cyan mountain]

Yes exactly

[limber hull]

Awesome

Love the initiative of making fractures that make other fractures worse

[cyan mountain]

If you got fractured everywhere than you deserve it at this point

[limber hull]

Surely a beloved feature and easy to balance out

[cyan mountain]

You mean the idea of a fracture which only a select few can even fracture but the fracture in question has dire consequences? Your acting as if anything can fracture it. A small tier is not fracturing the sail

[cyan mountain]

Yes it is easy to balance out, it has so many more resources to survive

[limber hull]

Except why would I even want a sail fracture, when leg and body fractures will likely be infinitely more useful? More damage against an already tanky animal, vs a leg fracture that makes it even slower, or a body fracture that limits its primary defence with its claws

I'd prefer the other three fractures

Head fracture reduces damage far more significantly and disorients the spino, body fractures prevents it from using its main attacks for prolonged periods, leg fractures immobilises it to a comical degree

Sail fracture is by far the worst fracture, so I'd avoid the sail

[cyan mountain]

What's wrong with the idea of Spinos sail being a weak point. I never said any damage could fracture it, just under the circumstance that it does get fractured. But overall the sail receiving more damage

[limber hull]

So just make it recieve more damage

It doesn't need to be fractured, that's just silly

Having the sail fracture be a body fracture would mean it's already more effective, since it has a massive-ass body fracture hitbox

[cyan mountain]

If you managed to get every fracture possible in one moment then it should definitely be certain death

[limber hull]

Even one of the three other fractures are better than sail fracture

I'd want them infinitely more

[cyan mountain]

The sail is smaller than the body what are you talking about. And if a Rex bites the side of a Spino it would fracture the body. The Rex needs to actively look up to even reach the sail and by that point make it reachable by Rex's grapple ability

[limber hull]

Sail fracture is the weakest and worst one to get

By the way you described it, I wouldn't want it

[cyan mountain]

So then avoid getting it? 💀

[limber hull]

Yes, avoid attacking the sail

[cyan mountain]

That's the point of a fracture??? Why would u want any fracture????

[limber hull]

Hit the body, legs and head instead, those are clearly better

[limber hull]

I wouldn't want to deliver it

I would rather give one of the other three, the sail one is by far the weakest in my situation

[cyan mountain]

The sail should be more long term effects, things after a fight has concluded instead of immediate effects like a concussion

[limber hull]

Immediate effects like a 50% damage reduction on head fracture

I'd very much prefer that

Or a 50% reduction to movement speed

Or a 3x stam consumption rate

[cyan mountain]

For a Rex a more immediate effect is preferred sure, doesn't mean the option to drain it from fracturing the sail is a bad idea

Sail fracture would be better for long term fights for the other animal

[limber hull]

It's almost like the three current fracture types are balanced in a way to account for each other, and adding a fourth fracture is not only irrelevant but damages the balance of the system

Especially if you need to balance a specific animal around a specific fourth fracture type only it can get

[cyan mountain]

How does it cause imbalance to one animal

[limber hull]

Which makes spino INFINITELY harder to balance

[cyan mountain]

How does one fracture make it extremely imbalanced

[limber hull]

Because it's the only animal that has to account for this one very specific niche case scenario that otherwise could work just not existing

Just make a sail attack cause body fracture, equally powerful

If not moreso

[cyan mountain]

If you bite the sail why would your body get fractured

[limber hull]

Because it's part of the body

[cyan mountain]

Spinos sail has always been a weak point irl, it's just stupid if they make the sail as durable as the body

[limber hull]

or

hear me out, they make the sail slightly more vulnerable

but still suffer the same fracture effects as body

meaning you'd attack it for an easier body fracture and easier damage

making it a priority target without needing to balance around a fourth fracture type

i'm not arguing against the sail being a weakpoint, i'm arguing against the sail having a unique fracture type

[urban flax]

Woah the argument is still going ?
And it hasn't progressed in the slightest bit

[cyan mountain]

Okay then how about this, bone breaking attacks to the sail will not only deal extra damage but also trigger a body fracture. But I don't think there's any harm in showing the sail fractured. Spinos sail should be a vulnerable and sensitive weak point it wasn't meant for taking damage

[cyan mountain]

Never surrender 🕴️

[limber hull]

i feel like we're forgetting, monster godzilla spino tho

and also, again, that's extra animation work for very little

[cyan mountain]

It's not hard to add that when designing Spinos scares/ fracture animations. It's just a fractured sail

[urban flax]

Sometimes finding agreement with someone else is a victory in itself

[urban flax]

That is basically what I was suggesting before I left the conversation

[cyan mountain]

There's nothing to agree on so far

[cyan mountain]

Everyone who was disagreeing had the worst points at the start I'm being so serious, like when someone said a Deino could just swim up behind a Spino and just fracture the sail..

[limber hull]

I mean, deino having fracturing bites isn't entirely out of the question, so that could be possible

[cyan mountain]

If it did earn that, but then you could argue that the Spino could just be wary of its surroundings. And if there's multiple Deinos just run out the water to avoid sail bites

[urban flax]

It all revolves around the same point and goes in circles forever.
Tail-specific fractures... Add strictly nothing to the gameplay. They don't give spino a special thing to worry about, since there's already 3 types of fractures that are extremely crippling.
It doesn't give other dinos something to go for, for the exact same reason.
Unless spino has a special attack that it cannot use if its sail is broken, I don't see this kind of fracture ever adding anything.

If the goal is to make spino "wary of its surroundings" there are plenty of ways to do that without needing to resort to an extra fracture type that would need to be configured and balanced along the three others.
Oftentimes in videogames, the simplest way is the best way to go.

[limber hull]

like making spino slow (spino should be slow)

[sly badger]

@candid vortex am I tripping or are color mutations already available in game when you’re nested in? I was nested in as a melanisitic Stego once and neither of my parents had black- but my Stego hatchling was pure, onyx black?

[candid vortex]

Oh hi

[sly badger]

Oop wrong tag

@vital plover

[candid vortex]

Thay are not tho🤣🤣🤣

[sly badger]

Sorry melody !

[candid vortex]

Its fine hahahah

[vital plover]

🤣

I'm not 100% certain about the colors. But every time I was nested myself or had offspring, the colors were only copies of one of the parents.

[stone mantle]

have the devs ever explained how genetics work in this game in regards to nesting?

[sly badger]

I’ve seen mixed colored offspring before too, it’s a lot more rare then the “copies” though.

But I think they should make the genetics more interesting in game for sure and allow for rare colors that aren’t in the customization screen to be available to nested in players

[vital plover]

In Legacy there were definitely more variations. The hatches were always similar to the mother, but I rarely saw exact copies.

[uneven mist]

@hollow hull Let’s…stay away from the legacy dinosaur method…that wouldn’t really work with what evrima is planned for. Playables being exact copies of one another but with just different stats and so on isn’t really what we want and isn’t ideal

[hollow hull]

Better than waiting years for the dinos to be released individually. you could have a bunch of dinos in, and unique in like a year. the games still in beta so testing balances n such isnt a bad thing.

[rare fractal]

Also the sheer volume of additional animations evrima locomotion on it's own requires would render it redundant to not just finish the creature entirely if it's had work started on it

[rare fractal]

It's not physically something you can do...each evrima dino requires hundreds of animations to function even relative to the rest

[icy lion]

Not to mention that many legacy dinos are getting new models, which means new rigs, which potentially means that very few or no animations can be ported from legacy

Not to mention that "same as X dino but bigger/smaller" is the exact opposite of... well, the entire point of evrima

I said "not to mention" twice like a loser

[uneven mist]

Why bother then? If you aren’t going to finish any playable and just release them doesn’t seem like a good idea at all

(Hypsi and dryo tho)

[icy lion]

Anyway, getting an animal to function as a playable for evrima requires way more work than just plugging in the model and animations, since a vast majority of animations would still need to be made

[rare fractal]

If one of the stipulations with this proposition is to "get more unique animals in the game", then the animals would require completion

Which is what this suggestion suggests the opposite of

[hollow hull]

The Rigs and such would be more work for sure. but most would keep their rigs even if the model changed slightly. Animations would take a little time, but if the rig is the same, then alot of the animations can be used or tweaked.
Its not so much the same, as it is, a similar baseline, frankly the devs could make tweaks before it even enters the game, my advice is basically, use what you have already and tweak it instead of spending months creating new stuff from scratch.

Its a waste of time when you have what, like 20 dinos you can use with alot less work

[icy lion]

That's what's happening with cera and galli, which retained their models, some sounds, and partially their skins, and some animations, which is as good as you can get when porting

I'd much rather have interesting playables with different abilities getting added instead of "we have this dino but now it's bigger/smaller" like legacy

Even if it means it takes longer

[hollow hull]

Thats basically what im saying tho. What they did with Cera and Galli could be done easily with loads of other dinos in the game. and would be easier than concepting and creating new dinos

[icy lion]

All of the legacy animals are still planned. In fact, legacy animals make up the majority of the upcoming additions

[hollow hull]

ALOT longer lol. then you have to add balancing for the new dinos etc, which takes even longer. Legacy has had years of balancing and feedback.

[rare fractal]

It's actually wasting a massive amount of time to port faulty rigs and work from those instead of just fully finishing the animal

[icy lion]

Cera, galli, diablo, dilo, rex, trike, herrera

[icy lion]

It really didn't

[rare fractal]

None of legacy's balance feedback is relevant to evrima in any way because their combat systems are based on entirely different meta models

[icy lion]

No balance from legacy can transfer to evrima

None

The closest you could get would be a weight stat and even then....

[hollow hull]

But what im saying is its a baseline. take out the tail riding and you really think omni/utah would be killing rexes? thats still balancing.

idk. im coming from a game designers POV. so know its rough and all that, but its alot easier to work with what you have, even if buggy than start over.

[icy lion]

The devs are also coming from a game designers POV and know that, in some areas, they had to start over

They're keeping what they can, as we can see with the returning legacy dinos

[rare fractal]

You can't remove tailriding without giving the animals all their locomotive anims...which is the majority of the work requires to produce an animal in the first place

[hollow hull]

I agree with most of what you guys are saying. in terms of it taking a while, bugs, faulty rigs and anims needing added.

but you guys know that between a Teno and shant, its mostly going to be stat changes anyway as the difference. Literally Copy/Paste blueprint/code and Change the numbers and then attach anims to the dino.
If you got it, use it. Thats what i was saying, not saying id prefer this to newer cool dinos, but that id prefer it to nothing for AGES at a time.

[icy lion]

Not at all

No way teno and shant would be able to use the same rig, let alone animations

[hollow hull]

not the same rig and animations. that would be their own.

the CODING would be similar, able to copy/paste it and adjust before adding their OWN animations.

and own rig*

[uneven mist]

Not really, shant would have completely different animations and mechanics tied to it compared to teno, it would have a knock down like teno (and carno/pachy too) but that would be it basically

[rare fractal]

neither of them will have even similar styles of combat, shant fundamentally lacks the agility, posture, range, or build to do what teno does

Teno doesn't use it's bulk nearly as much as shant will and that's reflective of some of it's planned attacks

[feral solstice]

What even is this debate

[uneven mist]

Teno is a combat freak. Shant is a wrestler

[rare fractal]

Like sure shant is just a teno with different animations, different attacks, different balancing, different models and rigs, different animations, different movement...etc

[hollow hull]

But im not saying copy/paste the animations.
posture etc is all animations. in terms of range, if its done with hitbox its just attached to the dino in engine.

[graceful raven]

@glacial breach to add onto that, include nests in saving! it’s frustrating to have your nest disappear completely after spending 1 hour raising your babies in it

[rare fractal]

Mhm, teno is the samurai to shant's crazed freakish hulking beast

[hollow hull]

if its done with blueprints, it can be copy/pasted.

[rare fractal]

Shant physically lacks the skeleton necessary to slam it's tail into the ground

[uneven mist]

Teno is samurai. Shant is a knight

[rare fractal]

Shant probably can't donkey kick

[uneven mist]

Would be funny

[rare fractal]

Would be hilarious xD

[hollow hull]

How many times have I said im not talking about copy/pasting rigs and animations?

[burnt bone]

Releasing an unfinished dino leads to 2 main issues: its unbalanced and unappealing.
Hypsi and dryo are prime examples of this
Hypsi lacks climbing but has stats and abilities geared towards it, so its only defense is to just hide because its small. Then its also unappealing because smalls are already mostly played for unique mechanics, but hypsi lacking them makes it just a troll dino people occasionally play to spit at others. And all of this is because its lacking 1 mechanic, now imagine a dino lacking every mechanic. It would just be useless fodder no one cares about, which is a horrible introduction for a playable.
Dryo is showing what happens when a dino actually starts to get mechanics that make it unique. In the past, it has had only 1 mechanic: an unpolished dodge which was a fancy way to press A or D. Now it has an omni-directional dodge, but still is not played much because its unbalanced and too costly. In 6.5, it should be getting a charge based system for dodge and a massive NV range. So its finally going to be unique and fun, but the stigma from its poor release has dropped the amount of people willing to try it. However, we won't know the exact impacts until after 6.5 so for all I know, it may actually become popular again.

[rare fractal]

But that's the vast majority of the work that goes into making a dino...so why partially complete a playable when the plan for doing so warrants to majority of the animal being completed

[hollow hull]

because alot of the work is already done from their base in Legacy.

[rare fractal]

And it's a redundant waste of time since you then need to rollback a lot of your temporary work so that you can finish it proper

[feral solstice]

So is this an argument about how the developers should test their playables?

[rare fractal]

What from legacy can be used

[burnt bone]

more so how they should be released: should they just release an unfinished dino and finish it along the way? Or wait until the dino has all necessary mechanics?

[feral solstice]

[uneven mist]

I would actually love to witness a 12+ ton behemoth roundhouse donkey kick a rex

[hollow hull]

Everything code wise about the dinosaur (specific numbers can be changed), anims that are in game already (bite etc), RIG is a big one.

[feral solstice]

It really depends on the scenario

[hollow hull]

there is so much they can use and add to from Legacy

[rare fractal]

The code is foundationally entirely different

That's why most evrima assets are remade legacy ones instead of ports

Evrima exists because legacy's code is so bad

[feral solstice]

If it built enough to not bug out, then sure, why not. Release it while it’s “unfinished”. But this is also The Isle, and it’s known knowledge that it’s currently going through what’s known as “spaghetti code”.

[burnt bone]

I'm just adding another perspective as to why it won't work.

[rare fractal]

Also evrima is about to run on a completely different game engine

[rare fractal]

Oh I know I'm just adding more TO that, cuz you made a good point

[feral solstice]

It’s almost never a good idea to give the public permission to play an unfinished product if the game has spaghetti code.

Otherwise you run the risk of the game literally breaking, as we’ve seen before, especially the mechanics test

So while it’s not inherently a bad idea, it’s not a good one either.

[hollow hull]

but im not saying, "Copy/Paste from legacy and release" Every single dino in there needs work. every one of them. but it would be alot quicker than starting from scratch. especially if some of those dinos in there are ones you like.

[burnt bone]

By "unfinished" we mean basically legacy dino with no unique mechanics. Like adding dilo without venom, or shant without its massive stomp. that would cause the issues I pointed out here: #general-feedback-discussion message

[feral solstice]

You wouldn’t be able to balance it at that point, unfortunately

[burnt bone]

exactly

[feral solstice]

You’d have to wait because the balance will require the ability to be fleshed out and finished, like literally the entire current roster

Balance in this game is dependent on the stats and the ability

[rare fractal]

Ironically it may not be, if elements we'd wanna adopt from legacy run on different game engines and are wildly below quality standard, on top of only gaining a very SMALL fraction of the completed dinos necessary assets....it would probably be easier to just make it from scratch

[hollow hull]

If the Rigging needed changing, thats the only thing I could say that a dino would need starting from scratch, because none of the anims would work for it using the old ones on a new rig.

but if thats fine, you have a healthy base to add to no matter what.

[rare fractal]

Why not just make a new rig and model to make animations around so that you're maximizing your effort over time?

[burnt bone]

If you mean porting old animations and models, thats what they do. They port the model, calls, and animations over, do a touch up or remake what they need, and then do the stuff they need to add to it. They don't remodel and reanimate everything from scratch. Omni has the same model and calls from legacy (and I believe similar animations too).

[hollow hull]

Because if the old rig works fine, why would you give yourself more work for no reason?

[rare fractal]

I'm not actually aware of a dino from legacy that's either in evrima or about to be that hasn't had their rig remade

[hollow hull]

thats what im saying, its a base to get a 20-30% start on things for them

when i used teno shant example, it was for movement coding etc that they could change speeds on etc to better fit the weight etc of the new dino

[rare fractal]

The assumption then being that the prior rig wasn't adequate for what evrima's mobility requires

Like for example, dibbles rig in legacy had less "bones" than the evrima rig does

[hollow hull]

if the Rig needs reworking, they physically couldnt do my idea if it had 500 Upvotes and no downvotes, so it would be a mute point

but idk about what rigs need changign and what doesnt

I highly doubt, every single rig is Borked tho, but it could be, legacy was kinda a mess when I was last playing it.

[burnt bone]

Then that isnt what your post said. "Add a bunch in every time with similar Diets, NV etc as those in the same family. Which can be adjusted and changed overtime to give them a more unique feel." You said to release them as essentially a copy paste of another dino with minor stat changes, then flesh them out later. Thats going to run into all the issues we have pointed out.

If you just mean "use what they already have and build upon it" Thats what they do, though certain dinos require a lot of work from their origional counterparts, and some don't even have origional counterparts.

[hollow hull]

Similar not exact, you can use the Evirma code from one, give it to another dino, or 10, and just change the numbers to make the NV different. In terms of diets, I imagine Dinos from similar families would eat similar things, unless they plan on having 500 unique diets in the game, which can be copied over and then add or remove individual ones.
If they used Unborked Rigs and anims, then EDITED coding from another Dino in the family (family probably wrong word, but those that have similar characteristics)
they could get a dino "Alpha version" setup in like a few weeks, if that. from there, add any fancy new mechanics you want in etc.

They could then give us the Dino at anypoint from "Alpha version" onwards as it would physically work. adding whatever they want in to adjust as they go like they normally would.
Not saying they should, you guys have said its basically "smaller/bigger basic clone" at that point. but they could. and thats alot better than waiting at least a year (i think its at least 2) for new dinos.
plus it genuinely depends on the new mechanics of each dino, some I imagine could be done in a months work, others will take longer to get everything right.

Genuinely, its easy if what you are working with isnt Broken.

(Which as you guys have said, it may be, but as i said, idk how much of the rigging is broken between legacy and Evirma)

Ultimately I dont think it matters, since it got downvoted and will probably get buried like alot of feedback does, but it was cool to have this debate either way. was fun.

[lilac bolt]

yeah the entire point of evrima was a complete reset of legacy they aren't gonna use any old assets or old rigs thats the main reason it takes so long for updates but after 6.5 updates should come out faster due to most of the main mechanics being done so they can point their focus on just humans and dinos

the main mechanics that are left is the elder, perks , weather , and humans

[cyan flame]

@fierce pollenWouldn't it be a potential problem that popularity does not neccesarily mean the suggestion is good at all?

[junior abyss]

#general-feedback message fr oml i love legacy music sm

[north quiver]

those two songs are in evirma right now

[limber hull]

@analog owl they aren't taking away deino's water sense, and beipi makes no sense having it

[magic oxide]

Anyone know why my graphics are potatoe looking and looking like they aren't loading in the textures? i've tried everything to fix this. Sometimes they work normally but most of the time they just look very aweful.. No matter the graphic setting.

[tidal prawn]

Yeah I got that issue too
Its better when everythings maxed but performance suffers also dlss enabled

Still hoping for ue5 improvements
The render distance is a joke tbh

[orchid token]

With so many holes in the map to fall into and get stuck, why is there not a "unstuck" or "suicide" option

[misty spire]

An unstuck option would be great tbh

[versed nexus]

@orchid token can you not go in first person with scroll wheel?

[barren zephyr]

@meager wasp well lots of people prefer dinos over that or gameplay options rather than server optiona

[past fjord]

stegos dont need a nerf
they were built to be able to ward off things size of allo and larger (and no carno is simply not built to even compete with stegos)

[stone mantle]

yep, what we need is not a stego nerf but a land carnivore in the same tier

unfortunately won't be getting one for a while since the next dinos to be released after we get the upcoming 4 are dilo and diablo

[lapis swallow]

Dude, no. Then we have a stego situation except that stego can actually hunt down stuff or we have a useless carnivore only capable of hunting stegs because the other stuff is way too fast

[stone mantle]

by that point we'll have a bigger roster so i'm not sure i see your point?

[lapis swallow]

But nothing that can sustain fully grown apexes

[stone mantle]

how do you know that? as far as i could see the only dinos that were confirmed to be released after cera, galli, beipi and troodon are dilo and diablo (latest devlog i believe), and from my experience they usually release more than 1 dino at a time so if they're going to release an apex like rex, at least 1 other similar tier dino is going to accompany it, if there isn't one already in the roster by that point

[icy lion]

Trike and rex are planned to release together (for unofficials)

[stone mantle]

might've missed that if it was in the devlogs, didn't scroll down too far

[lapis swallow]

I really wonder how rex can sustain itself with two effective prey animals (both of which can screw it over real bad)

[stone mantle]

maia, cory, para, and other big-ish herbivores could potentially release before rex. and carnivores can eat other carnivores also, so they're not restricted to eating herbis

[icy lion]

The devblogs only mentioned "apexes would be coming soonish", Kissen confirmed it was rex and trike in #isle-discussion a little while ago, so definitely easy to miss

[icy lion]

Big spikes on tail and big spikes on a shield face as the only sizable prey items, I imagine there'll be a lot of dead rexes

[lapis swallow]

Maybe only actually good players are gonna sustain a adult rex then

[orchid token]

Nope

[rare fractal]

That's the diehard hope

[proud coral]

Mmmmmhm. The concept of bad [healthy adult really big dinosaur] players shouldn't exist. Like if a bad Rex player is an adult that's healthy and capable

something is wrong :C

[limber hull]

i mean, idk about current stego messing up rex, but i hope it gets buffed so it can

[ancient mural]

maybe add more player slots

[drifting rose]

@ruby sierra while it would be interesting to see megalania we already will have 3 creatures with some sort of toxic ability; troodon gets venomous bite which slowly weakens a target,cera will have a bacterial bite which makes you vomit, an dilo will have the ability to make you see things. we dont need a 4th at the moment and burrows and climbing is a mechanic coming later thar ik is probably being prototyped so it wouldnt even make since to come in the next 2 updates. there is a reason why the dinosaurs on the currrent roadmap are the ones coming into the game first before there similar counter parts; deino(first large semi aquatic ) carno(first speed ambush predator) utah(first pack hunter) ptera(first flyer) troodon(first venom related dinosaur) beipi (first small semi aquatic) cera (first scavenger/brawler predator) diablo(first ceratopsian) etc. basically if that didnt make any since they are being added for the dinos to come that will have similar abilities that cant be as easily added with them which is why they didnt start with all the big guys that will grab peoples attention. its like basically working their way up the skill tree so sadly they cant add megalania to any of the next updates with out the foundational creatures which is why herrera will get climb first and then they will alter ir for hypsi then anything else that needs it and also why deino got water since first so it could be tweaked for others same with ptera, same with carno, same with diablo, same with literally every current dinosaur in the game b4 a dinosaur similar to it

[limber hull]

the best route to take with megalania's venom that's unique is an anti-coagulant, since irl komodos have that

makes the victim bleed more and unable to clot the bleed, making them bleed out much more effectively

[drifting rose]

yea but we will then have 4 dinosaurs with an ability like that and while i like megalania i would perfer a dinosaur with a much more different ability to come in

[rare fractal]

None of the animals planned for venom have anticoagulant

Dilo is probably gonna have night vision effecting venom

Troodon has something else entirely

And no other venomous animals have been made clear

So I’m not sure how it’s really falling in line with the others when none of them are similar

[limber hull]

its possible troodon will get NV impacting venom too, although not to dilo's extent

to compensate for the new massive NV buff across the board

[rare fractal]

Mhm possibly

Wouldn’t surprise me, tho it does sound rather annoying

I will die on the hill of our current NV being really bad

I still want NV ofc….I just wish the environment….mattered

[limber hull]

love the fact that i can't downvote t3k rudely asking for an update to a dev because they're still mad troodon venom stacks

[limber hull]

@minor reef Deino doesn't need a magic radar of everything in the water, it already has enough advantages going for it. The water sense still will detect anything swimming on the surface (which is most of the roster), but now deinos will actually have to work in order to obtain their easy free fish meals, or juvi hunts

This is a purely positive change that stops future aquatics from being entirely invalidated by deino, and makes deino have to somewhat work for food. Water sense has been a ridiculously OP ability for a long time now, so this is a welcome change imho

[minor reef]

I was waiting for you to disagree and downvote my suggestion. You seem to do that here instead of actually suggesting anything yourself.

[limber hull]

I could, but I only suggest things I feel truly confident in and proud of

Throwing things at a wall until something sticks isn't my style, so using my infrequency of suggestions isn't really fair

[minor reef]

Which isn't much obviously. You seem to spend the literal entire day here downvoting suggestions and getting defensive over every dev decision.

[limber hull]

I upvote things I like

I also do not defend every dev decision, weird that you gathered that even though there are things I frequently mention how much I dislike

[minor reef]

Right. I'm sure

[limber hull]

You want me to write a list or are we going to agree this is a silly argument to have

[rare fractal]

Hehe, that was funny

[minor reef]

We're not going to have an argument. Not this time. Blocked.

[limber hull]

Awesome

[rare fractal]

It happened again!

[limber hull]

t3k part 2

[rare fractal]

Man I show up for the most memorable moments

[limber hull]

So glad you're here to share this moment

[minor reef]

What happened again? He got blocked? Lol

[rare fractal]

Yeah it's just really sad

[minor reef]

Wow. Maybe that should be a sign for him. He contributes nothing except downvoting your suggestion and then telling you why its a bad idea. I've had like...4-5 suggestions on here perpetually, over a year, get downvoted and shat on by him alone. Having a separate opinion is fine but I don't have the energy for his crap tonight lol

[limber hull]

I swear people take this way too personally

[rare fractal]

Usually suggestions are only ever responded to if they're a bad idea....

[limber hull]

I'm not targeting people

[rare fractal]

Because you don't need to do anything for a good suggestion than upvote it, because you agree

[limber hull]

I don't even know who this guy is

That's probably my bad memory

[limber hull]

I mean, I'll sometimes say how much I like an idea

I don't exclusively exist to bully people with bad ideas

[minor reef]

I've actually had other people tag me here and explain why they agree with me too. Usually its the same people who perpetually downvote my suggestions and he was chief among them

[cyan flame]

Maybe you two just happen to have rather different opinons on how things should be.

[rare fractal]

So do I, it's just far less common because typically the idea speaks for itself, there usually isn't much to deconstruct

Is there anything wrong with responding to a suggestion you disagree with?

[minor reef]

You can't explain away his constant disapproval. Its literally always him who disagrees with me and he usually just says "your idea is just horrible because I don't like it". After 3 downvotes it just feels targeted and I'm not going to engage with him this time around

[rare fractal]

He could just be more active than most....

Also like....do downvotes actually matter that much?

I never even really take them seriously

[minor reef]

Like I said, there's no explaining his behavior towards my suggestions. I can tolerate being disagreed with but at some point it goes past it into toxicity. I'm not explaining myself any more on this

[rare fractal]

k

[cyan flame]

Well, he did give a reason aside from "don't like it", but fair enough. I don't think it's personal though, pretty sure he just disagrees. It's not personal when I disagree with people wanting a stego nerf, I just disagree because I think that's a rather bad idea.

[rare fractal]

Yeah I don't think I've ever disagreed with someone on this discord because I don't personally like them

I'd imagine that sort of mentality is quite common

[scarlet ocean]

It has been already sort of confirmed, and it would also make sense 👍

[uneven mist]

Same honestly, wished nv was different with the enviroment for example: carno could have good nv in the plains but terrible nv in the jungle and tight spaces

[rare fractal]

That's how I think aptitude should work for literally everything

Shadow based NV

Moonlight reliance pls and thank you

[scarlet ocean]

Idk how bad the gamma abuse was for the devs to remove all light, but idk, id rather have night looking good than prevent gamma abuse

(Actual nights would also mostly remove the abuse of those sweaty night camo skins, cause the night wouldn’t be all 1 greyscale color )

[limber hull]

recently played again and honestly? don't get the "ugly night" argument

i still infinitely prefer these nights to the "day with blue filter" that was U4

[south oar]

I like the current night right now, prevents cheaters and its fun imo, if they are ever going to make night "prettier" which i dont even think its ugly rn, they should find a way so it cannot be exploited first.

[barren crater]

I'd say U4 was better visually. Especially when we had the mech test with fog. The current nights are a downgrade and don't make sense to me at least. I'd prefer if the moon phases actually changed how night appeared. We'll see when that's added

[barren crater]

Yes.

[scarlet ocean]

I think people are referring to the nv that we got before this one, and after the one with the white outlines

It looked like the current nv, but with actual color, that was amazing

This one

[limber hull]

pretty sure people whined about that because it was too hard to see with lol

[scarlet ocean]

Wouldn’t know, it happened close to my isle break, but I think it was removed cause it was so easily gamma abuseable, I only remember hearing that u could turn up brightness and make it like x10 better to see

[barren crater]

Nah the NV before that was what they complained about

[scarlet ocean]

The white outlines one?

[barren crater]

Yeah

[scarlet ocean]

That was truly awful, if people are wanting that back, tf 💀

[barren crater]

Horrible

I don't think we'll ever get that back. Or at least I hope

[scarlet ocean]

Ain’t no way people are now talking about wanting old nv back, as in, the white outlines nv back 💀

To hell with y’all

[barren crater]

Wait where

[scarlet ocean]

That’s what I’m questioning, from your answer, I figured that you meant the people that are now complaining about current nv, are wanting that nv back, since I asked you, is it the white outlines one, and you said yes so I was like “wait what, tf”

[barren crater]

I meant it as people were complaining about the line NV. I think they liked the one you posted

I liked it personally

A bit of colour is always a positive for me

[scarlet ocean]

Ooh, ok, misunderstanding then

👍

[urban flax]

There are people who unironically want the white outlines back tho

Not many, but they exist

[scarlet ocean]

Like I said, to hell with them

It was buggy to all hell in public branch, flickered and turned itself off and on, and even gave people medical problems 💀 including me, I remember having a small seizure cause of it

[barren crater]

Also straight up unfair. Couldn't hide from people with it

[scarlet ocean]

Sorta could, but the outline was very easy to see, isle still has some blind-not blind people

[barren crater]

I guess. I was able to track things in the forest with Carno based off the movement, so it was clearly a bit OP

[limber hull]

@smoky ivy we're getting a new map with Gateway

And it has migrations to ensure players actually end up in places that let them interact with other players

[smoky ivy]

thank god, do you know when its happening roughly?

[limber hull]

Update 7

So the next coming update is Update 6.5

So basically, the next major update after the upcoming one

[past fjord]

this is like the 5th time i see people asking for more player slots

[lapis swallow]

Add two zeros behind that

[limber hull]

@bleak bison Allo needs more than our current roster to be a good addition to the roster. Diablo won't put up a good fight, neither will cera, teno or carno, and our smaller tiers likely won't be able to stop it either

This leaves stego (the animal it's meant to counter) and deino (it's deino) as the main two threats to it, both of which it can easily avoid engaging with. This in mind, it'd quickly dominate the roster in seconds, especially considering it as a "stego hunter".

With a more fleshed out mid-tier roster (alberto, styraco, maia, so on), perhaps it would be a better addition, but thrown into our current roster would quickly make it far too dominant

[lapis swallow]

Maybe a update 7.5 with maia, magy, allo and styraco could work

[limber hull]

You seem to lowball allo's weight. It is absolutely large enough to become dominant, clocking in at almost a ton above a carno

Most animals within our current roster simply couldn't contest it. Cera is designed to be a bully, but is very clearly shown as petrified of allos. Carno is a punch-down animal, allo is far too big an animal for it to mess around with. Omnis, perhaps in groups, but a pack of allos would always beat a pack of omnis. Troodon is too small, dilo would more than likely get stomped, so on

I'm not against allo, but at this early state? Nah, the roster still won't be ready

[bleak bison]

You know what,that is a really good response. You raise good points. I shall delete my post.

[lapis swallow]

Rare #general-feedback moment

[limber hull]

Oh, I didn't want you to delete it, just letting you know

[bleak bison]

I didn’t think about what would put allo under threat🤔

The roster will need to be way more fleshed out in that case

[barren crater]

Not much does tbf. You just need a mid tier competition

[limber hull]

Alberto and allo, imho, should be added together. They balance each other out as natural competitors

[barren crater]

^ Yeah pretty much

[bleak bison]

That’d be sensational if they were

[lapis swallow]

And some midtier herbis alongside them

[limber hull]

Maia and styraco could be nice

I'd say cory but we know jack-squat about cory lol

[barren crater]

Maia could work, but imo, I'd like a larger herbi that pushes them around. I feel like Para would be neat lol

[bleak bison]

Pachyrhino would be cool

[lapis swallow]

I think that would be a bit too large

[limber hull]

Pachyrhino I feel is a little too large, would make generally quicker work of an allo, it's a tier above

[lapis swallow]

Wasnt it like 4 tons?

[limber hull]

Yea

It BIG

[barren crater]

Yeah, you'd likely require 2 mid tier carnis to drop one

While groups of them would be untouchable

Heck even 2 would

[lapis swallow]

2 allos could just roll through everything that is not a stego or deino

[barren crater]

Honestly, maia, para or styraco with Allo & Alberto would be interesting

[lapis swallow]

Para is way too large for that

[limber hull]

Para is also very big, but it's meant to be more of a tank/run rather than a stand and fight

[lapis swallow]

Styraco and maia would be fine

[barren crater]

The devs clearly want allo to hunt Para tbf

[limber hull]

Para is BIG, even bigger than stego

It'd be an apex if it weren't so bad at fighting lol

[lapis swallow]

Common media hadrosaur moment

[limber hull]

I mean, para realistically even isn't well geared for throwing hands

[lapis swallow]

But it can just use its weight

But stuff like stego would still be better at fighting cause pointy stuff

[barren crater]

Yeah. I kind of want another herbivore that can throw its weight around, but still be a hunting option for Omni, Allo, Alberto & Dilo.

[bleak bison]

We need combat para over scared run away para,para got huge

[barren crater]

Tbf, we already have a lot of combat herbis in that size range

I think Para should be a 'weaker' fighter that bodies Allo & Alberto 1 v 1, but runs when there's 2 or more

[lucid mauve]

When you say, bodies. You mean it wins ? in 1v1

[barren crater]

In a straight brawl, yes

[lucid mauve]

ahh ok , but who is the faster one. Cus am i in the mercy of the para player if im a solo allo : P

[barren crater]

Depending on what those 2 have, an ambush could allow them to win

[barren crater]

Allo should be faster

On the lower side of stamina though

Also don't think Para will be that good offensively anyways?

Concept showed it having defensive attacks

[lucid mauve]

Yea i agree,think its better defensibly . But i was hoping maybe para was the faster one, so i dont auto die when i see two allos : P

[uneven mist]

Alberto would probably be able to hunt it if it was in a group but yeah it’s better to add rhino with something else like acro or sucho for example

[barren crater]

Para shouldn't be that much slower than Allo imo. It should also have a lot more stamina

[lucid mauve]

Yea, could work : P

But im not a big fan of balancing stuff like, para slightly stronger then allo. But two allos will win easy, by just biting and its nothing you can do. It should come down to skill, ofcourse to a certain degree. 5 allos, im gonna run or die : P And ofcourse what tier the are put into.

[bleak bison]

Para still decimates a pack of at least 3 of either.

If the devs do what I said in my para cory vid para would be great😔

[barren crater]

Don't think it should be that strong personally

[lucid mauve]

It could be strong defensibly maybe, so the allos wont get any food unless they have the skill for it . But they can also choose to leave

[versed nexus]

yah i donmt wanna be chased to death by para like i do by tenos atm

[bleak bison]

I think it should. It’s like 7 tons and that’s one of the smallest size ranges of para

3 allos or Alberto’s vs one para should be relatively even

[versed nexus]

they are up to like 4t no?

[lucid mauve]

darn, they are that big. Ark got me good lol

[bleak bison]

14 tons biggest para

[versed nexus]

where are u finding that?
like im not tryna be rude i love u orni but every site ive looked at says < 4t

[lucid mauve]

14 tons, thats like shant size ?

[versed nexus]

ya ive looked at like 10+ websites that all say under 4t

[bleak bison]

One sec

[bleak bison]

The biggest there is 18 tons

[barren crater]

Eh, I'd have to disagree again. Mainly due to the fact that there are enough large, combative herbivores.

3 allos should just win

imo at least

[bleak bison]

Shouldn’t all herbivores be able to be combative in some way?

[barren crater]

Yes. 1 v 1 or 2 v 1, it should have a chance

a big one

[versed nexus]

yeah but look at maia, what is combative about that until you make people fight with it

galli, is litterally a dino that runs away

[real seal]

I could see para struggling alone fighting off large groups though maybe being a bit tankyish? but maybe having any group at all drastically increases the odds of survival by them playing like a tap in tap out thing, like tag team ig? so if an allo chases one para in the herd any others could smack into it with their weight to change its attention run get chased have the other one help it and such, idk rly tho

[bleak bison]

Para should get anky it’s huge

[barren crater]

I only see it that way because Allo & Alberto are like the only competent Para hunters in the game. Unless they severely nerf Paras speed in favour of its damage

[versed nexus]

also ik this isnt how it works but on paper para is about 4000kg and allo is about 2000kg
3x2000 = 6000
6000>4000
as ive said it doesnt work quite like that but in principle 3 allos should be able to take on a para and 2 skilled allos should just about be able to with a lot of patience

[barren crater]

Allos grapple could be pretty strong in the bleed department as well lol.

[lucid mauve]

Yea i agree on that to , but maybe it can defend aganst those. And might be an easier target for omnis/dilo/troodon etc

[barren crater]

I'm in favour of Para being strong enough to defend against them 1 v 1, while 2 v 1 could be even.

Omni packs will also be great at hunting solo paras

[lucid mauve]

Yea could be. But even allos albertos can be very diffrent in power/speed. I know devs mention something about allo beeing really fast for it size. So a mistake vs a para can screw you over.

Prob not die or anything, but you out from the hunt/fight

But honestly i have no clue actually about para, it can decimate 5 allos or loose to one. And I prob wouldt be surprise if one of them happened : P

[versed nexus]

i should be able to take 2 or 1 on its own if its good on paper

[lucid mauve]

yepp could be : )

[barren crater]

🤝

[bleak bison]

I think it should be

[lucid mauve]

Para should kill a rex aswell

naah, just wanted a conversation 😉

[barren crater]

Para herds killing bad Rexes heh

[lucid mauve]

hehe yea

[barren crater]

I hope its not as strong as Omnis multiplier though lol

Well, it can't be as strong, or it will be busted *

[bleak bison]

Para herds actually should be able to. 8 ton Rex vs like 3 7 ton paras

[bleak bison]

How much is Utahs multiplier

[barren crater]

Don't quote me, but 1 to 3 ratio. 1 being damage while 3 being bleed iirc. Pounce does 500n per pounce so 1500 bleed? I'd need someone to correct that lol

[versed nexus]

im ngl i still dont see the 4000kg+ paras anywhere. legacy para is 3600 i think and every site i see is the same as that

[barren crater]

@versed nexus

[versed nexus]

i cant read it

[lapis swallow]

You are correct

[barren crater]

[versed nexus]

im guessing it says they are 4+ tons but like what source is it?

is it the isle devs choice to make it double its actual weight or something?

[barren crater]

https://www.deviantart.com/fadeno he made those skeletals

[bleak bison]

Paras from 12-18 tons at the largest

Some paras were smaller

But I’m talking about the massive ones

[versed nexus]

fair enough mb

[lucid mauve]

They are bigger then shants then

[versed nexus]

as always orni is right 🙃

[bleak bison]

Oh my boy I have been wrong many times

[versed nexus]

btw my thrash hasnt worked since the update came out is anyone else having this issue or know any possible fixes/reasons for it

[uneven mist]

Yea, obviously but some would be better than others

[versed nexus]

i think they will add a smaller para so that it can compete with allo and alberto tbh tho

[barren crater]

They aren't too against making things much larger than they truly are or smaller.

[bleak bison]

Isn’t teno much larger than real life

[versed nexus]

i think it is

[barren crater]

Yes.

I can't recall the size accurately, but it's in the 800kg - 1t range I think

[bleak bison]

Tbf they did an amazing job with teno and it’s move set

[lament lagoon]

I wish ppl thought stego needed nerf and deino buff because stegos are so overpowerd

[tall hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-dude-no-oh-bugs-bunny-bugs-gif-22941840

[bleak bison]

Deino will need a buff when the roster gets fleshed out

What I’d do is nerf stego until more of the roster is out

[limber hull]

I'd really rather not lol

Stego doesn't need any nerfs at this stage

Or at least, if it's getting nerfed, deino should get 2x whatever it gets

[tall hearth]

Why would the aquatic ambush predator built for killing things half its weight or less need to ever fight stego bro

[tall hearth]

When stego is missing attacks in its kit so it essentially is already as nerfed as possible

Man these feedback posts almost make me wanna grow a stego just to dunk on power fantasy deino players

But then I'd have to play stego...right now.....

[bleak bison]

Stego is crazy powerful

[lapis swallow]

I did that. I have murdered a croc, two pachys for no reason at all, one omni and I sniped a juvie ptera out of the air as of now

It is so much fun

[tall hearth]

I see no issue there. It's just too early in the roster for the power to make sense still

[tall hearth]

ATTA BOY WOOOOOO

[barren crater]

tbf, how does one nerf stego?

[bleak bison]

Reduce its damage

[barren crater]

Currently its 1200-1250n. How much would you nerf it though

[tall hearth]

Remove all its attacks

It's a eat grass and die herbi ofc, the croc should always win otherwise the game isnt fair

[lapis swallow]

I saw this in #evrima-eu after I murdered those two pachys

[tall hearth]

[bleak bison]

I played deino with a friend,got to adult and then 4 stegos just camped the river and wouldn’t move. At that point surely something needs to be done 😂

[lapis swallow]

This was pure happiness hormone for me

[lapis swallow]

Just swim away

[tall hearth]

I feel that. One time I slaughtered a whole nest of baby hypsies and they talked about it in one of the chats so I just replied the deino troll face

[bleak bison]

We couldn’t

They were blocking the exit of the river

[barren crater]

Spiro riverways suck tbf

[lapis swallow]

Cant you just tank the hits while swimming through or which part of the river was it?

[bleak bison]

It was when you have to get out and walk down to the lower part

So no we couldn’t

[tall hearth]

Oof

[lapis swallow]

When in doubt, blame spiro

[tall hearth]

Never fails

[bleak bison]

Tbf tho the 8 ton croc with a monster bite force should be able to do more against the 6 ton stego

[barren crater]

🤝

[misty spire]

Balanced as is tbh

[tall hearth]

Nah. Stay in your ambush niche

[lapis swallow]

It has 7/9 instakill matchups. Does it really need a good matchup against the one thing that can beat it?

[misty spire]

It’s not impossible to kill a stego by any means

[tall hearth]

Exactly. Just be a better deino player

Or dont play either one, or Evrima at all like me this update. I cant stand the balance and what the games turned into rn. Stego and deino spamming with a side of carno and pachy. Like it ain't fun for what I like to play (solo omni or sometimes dryo)

[lapis swallow]

I really hope the balance will be good for once in 6.5

[bleak bison]

I’d say make it more even

At the point stegos can walk into rivers and kill multiple adults

Yeah

[tall hearth]

That's a spiro issue with its ugly small rivers

You wont be saying that on gateway

[lapis swallow]

And the fact that people can grow deinos so easily

[bleak bison]

Let’s hope

[bleak bison]

Same with stego tbh

Me and a friend grew two full stegos in one try

[lapis swallow]

Yes, grew both first/second try

Without having any experience on both of them

[bleak bison]

Both need to be harder to grow

[lapis swallow]

Yes

[bleak bison]

Hopefully on gateway it will be

[limber hull]

deino is far more

[bleak bison]

I want it to be a rare site to see multiple full grown adults

[limber hull]

Stego is harder to grow than deino so

I'd argue stego is the hardest to grow in the game

At least, atm

[lapis swallow]

Still way too easy, but yeah

[limber hull]

teno takes second place imho

deino is easier to grow than teno imho

[lapis swallow]

Yes

[bleak bison]

Stego should have the hardest growth tbh

[versed nexus]

just wait for the apexes to come out and ur gonna be begging for all of these playables to be buffed

[ruby sierra]

That's a valid argument but I think you missed the point that the other attributes apart from venom (because megalania just happened to be venomous) would enhance the experience of those dinos and mechanics. And as I mentioned after the already confirmed playables which include herrera and maybe ovi so it wouldn't be even in the next two updates. And burrowing was in the concept art so I just threw it into the mix besides megalania could easily exist without dryo getting its burrowing mechanic in the first place.

[limber hull]

it does, and i think deino needs it WAY harder than stego

[bleak bison]

I’d say the strongest gets the hardest growth.

[barren crater]

I'd argue that Deino is the 'strongest' purely on its matchups

But yeah, make both of them hard

Nothing is hard to grow in Evrima

[limber hull]

deino is the strongest

[bleak bison]

id argue its second strongest because stego recks deino

[limber hull]

no

[lapis swallow]

Its a resourcecamping, everything-below-4-tons-instadeleter and a fricking tank.

You can avoid a stego, you cant avoid a deino all the time

[limber hull]

its like saying giga is weaker than rex because rex beat it in a 1v1

giga was 100% the stronger animal

[bleak bison]

was it

[limber hull]

rex was just really good at a 1v1

[limber hull]

without a doubt

giga was the most overpowered animal in legacy, bar-none

unstoppable menace to every midtier

[versed nexus]

yah but acro was also and you wouldnt call that the strongest

[limber hull]

basing an animal's strength on single matchups is really short-sighted

[barren crater]

Acro can't take on 10 allos like giga can tbf.

Also giga just trots things down

[limber hull]

for example, deino vs omni is INFINITELY more one-sided than stego vs omni. Omni performs much better against stego for a plethora of reasons

[versed nexus]

bro 3 gfood allos have a giga any day of the week dont lie to urself

[limber hull]

if you're losing to allos as giga

lol

[versed nexus]

bro nah im the allos

[limber hull]

unless it's a ridiculous megapack

[barren crater]

No?

Alt turn or no alt turn?

[limber hull]

okay, so you're a decent allo vs garbage gigas

[barren crater]

I'm basing giga on the official standard. The way it was meant to be played

That thing was untouchable to anything except Rex

[limber hull]

alt-turn or not, giga was broken

[versed nexus]

no alt turn

sure without turn fights 3 allos cant get a giga but in legacy 3 really good allos will get a giga

[limber hull]

alt-turn just make giga more broken

[barren crater]

Giga casually taking on 10 mid tiers with alt turn. I can't recall ever killing an alt turning giga

[barren crater]

Wouldn't doubt it

I soloed a lot of gigas and rexes as diablo on no alt lol

But if the giga knows the hitboxes, you kind of just lose

[limber hull]

most legacy apexes just sucked

the players, that is

[barren crater]

Yeah. Spoon fed grows

[limber hull]

if they knew how to utilise their playables, they'd easily win any fight

giga especially

rex required the least brain power due to leg break and high damage, giga required slightly more thinky think

[versed nexus]

rex that knows hitboxes is 100% worse

drag bites are unkillable

[barren crater]

True, but they're both busted

Either way, I'd rather be around 10 rexes than 1 giga as anything

[limber hull]

giga is broken without bugs lol

[barren crater]

Well, I guess not trike, but still lol

Yeah, the design was busted

[versed nexus]

but at the end of the day legacy utah on no alt tyurn is brokenest

[barren crater]

Like that was intended. They thought that Giga was fair

[limber hull]

trike was bad because herbi lol

[barren crater]

True, but a joke on alt turn

[barren crater]

Unfortunate. The damage should have been much higher

[versed nexus]

but who plays alt turn

[barren crater]

Well, the reason we have no alt is to pander to utah players

Everything else has a worse time on no alt

The only creatures that benefit from no alt are utah & cera. Everything else is worse

[versed nexus]

yeah but asura is no alt turn and asura is class

[barren crater]

Asura... The server with clans and mixpacks.That's class?

[versed nexus]

yeah

im the clans and mixpacks

[barren crater]

💀

[versed nexus]

im banned from it rn tbh but still

and i got evrima installed

[barren crater]

Evrima has turned into that

I wish for a new update

[versed nexus]

same im getting so bored of it

but i get banned instantly on legacy

[barren crater]

I met a massive horde of carnos earlier today lol

there was 13 adult carnos around

All friends lol

[versed nexus]

lmao

what server

[barren crater]

NA1

[versed nexus]

eu is so annoying

everyone is like scandinavian or russian or something'

[limber hull]

people when they go on the european server and find european people

[versed nexus]

yeah but

who likes the french be fr

jkjjkjk im the french but yk what i mean

i swear theres like an englishj only rule

[versed nexus]

yeah eu isnt like that

[barren crater]

NA servers have been like that lately

Just swarms of things

[versed nexus]

eu is like a quarter as much as that

and then everyone else croc

[barren crater]

Carno megapacks are so easy to sustain lmao

[versed nexus]

eu used to have utah megapacks but i havent rlly seen them since update 6

tbh the utah megapacks are so fun and i would always command them lmao

[barren crater]

Yeah, in update 5, there were megapacks of them. Players obviously change to the more viable playables

Why play Omni when Carno is easy to sustain & grow? Also in 2x the grow time, you can wipe out multiple omnis.

[rancid raptor]

Better than the whisper suggestion

[rancid raptor]

why is it bad that they're scandinavian or russian?

[limber hull]

you seriously still on this lmao

also, deino needs no buff

[rancid raptor]

I play on EU servers and everyone I meet speaks in english

[rancid raptor]

No one apart from Eye said that deino needs a buff, guy