general-feedback-discussion

[rancid raptor]

Stego having a hard time isn't a bad thing, considering they're the hardest dino to contest on land

[tepid gate]

I mean I don't disagree but in a long run this isn't quite you'd want the game to work

try going for this

[rancid raptor]

Currently it should be this way, migration and perfection will be added eventually. it's not hasty

[tepid gate]

this one also has one part that doesn't work - the locked health regen

[north quiver]

the current issue with that is people don’t want an eating simulator. especially when auto walk isn’t a thing. sure you can do something to get auto walk yourself, but there are a lot of people that don’t know how to

[tepid gate]

but it certainly doesn't debuff you

[rancid raptor]

yeah so, no one is calling the game an eating simulator. and personally, i have a stego in eu2, i don't have this issue at all.

[tepid gate]

the one you're going for iirc causes you to have a faster stamina drain according to what I've been hearing

[north quiver]

ah

[urban flax]

The "no downtime on diets" could also be solved with higher nutrients given when eating I guess ? Random numbers but let's say that currently, you can fill all 3 of your nutrients by going from 0% to 100% of your stomach, if it was made that 100% on each nutrients corresponds to 75% of your stomach, even if they drain fast, would allow some more leniency on what you can eat

[tepid gate]

yea but the thing is that this isn't a change that's very difficult to implement and I think they should be aiming to have the game work as close as how it's meant to eventually be as possible so I would in fact change this up in the next update

[north quiver]

honestly I’d be down for food giving more diet

[tepid gate]

I've never honestly had much of an issue with the nutrient yield from food but I wouldn't mind it being increased either

the main issue is the drain I think

it increases the pace of the game a bit too much compared to how quickly animals traverse the map

but that might be more of an issue with how bad everything is at traveling and moving around

[low canopy]

nutrient drain most impacts herbis, not so carnis since carnis can just stay at X hotspot or popular area and barely move

[limber hull]

i still think that nutrient drain should be dependent on hunger. Less food = faster drain

[urban flax]

Herbi diets are honestly miserable currently

[tepid gate]

well carnivores just have to stay where players are and keep on killing them which how it should work

[north quiver]

they really are

[tepid gate]

I think that the nutrients perhaps just drain too fast but I haven't had much issue with them myself when I grew a Teno

[urban flax]

Run to point A-> look for the one diet you need, then eat it
Run to point B-> repeat
Run to point C->repeat
Go back to step 1 and repeat

[tepid gate]

but I could absolutely see Stego gameplay being quite annoying right now

Idk how it actually feels since I don't play Stego

[urban flax]

At least with carnivores the "looking for food" part is engaging
And you get choices

The herbi I play the most is pachy, but you get 2 choices
Either you spawn at the one spot in the map that has all 3 diets for pachy and stay there your entire life
Either you keep crossing the map from north to south and from south to north endlessly

[tepid gate]

I think that at the end of the day the issue is that the diet system should not be the same for both carnivores and herbivores

the previous diet system was much better for herbivores

but it was absolutely atrocious for carnivores

now we kind of have the reverse?

[urban flax]

First, there shouldn't be species-specific nutrients for carnivores
To hell with that thing

[tepid gate]

I think carnivores are alright as they are

the issue is herbivores atm

[urban flax]

I'm not sure how to make herbivore diets better, apart from giving them more options for their nutrients

[tepid gate]

idk why you're trying to change carnivores if it's herbivores that are bad

[tepid gate]

revert them to how they were on last update?

Let them overload their nutrients to 300%?

that fixes the problems easily

for herbivores

[urban flax]

How is the shopping list gonna work when there are 50 playables ? Do players get to remember a list of 30 creatures they can eat, or do they have to be lucky enough to find one of the 6 that are on their diet ?

[tepid gate]

or just decrease the nutrient drain on them

[tepid gate]

you will have loads and loads of playables on each nutrient most likely

[north quiver]

invasive carnivorous animals starving to death because no animal around that they can eat gives them nutrients (real):

[tepid gate]

I mean look - the system is pretty trash by default but after experiencing U4 and U5 I think it's much better now

in general however

my approach is to typically just munch on the right organs?

I don't really hunt specific things

[urban flax]

Does that mean a herbi would need to eat the equivalent of 700% of one nutrient to get the triple nutrient buff ?

[tepid gate]

just tear out the organs to keep up the nutrients I want

[tepid gate]

no

[urban flax]

Yes
Only organs give nutrients

Maybe bones and sinew for scavengers

[tepid gate]

"overload" means that you move above 100% which triggers the buff

[urban flax]

Yeah but currently in order to fill another diet slot you gotta reach the max

[tepid gate]

but bodies also give nutrients, I don't see what your problem with that is

this was an issue prior to now

[urban flax]

So when do you start filling another diet slot ? Is it above 100% or above 300% ?

[tepid gate]

you should honestly be able to choose what you're filling by eating

it doesn't work with the current system even now

I sometimes want to start loading another nutrient bar and yet the game start dumping the nutrients in the bar that I already have active and don't care for at the moment

[urban flax]

My problem is the fact only a specific species meat gives nutrients to a specific carnivore

[tepid gate]

and sometimes it just starts randomly filling a new bar for no reason while I want to increase the nutrients in the bar I already have

[tepid gate]

I've noticed that and I don't understand why that is

you also have organs

you get to either hunt a specific animal or get the organs

but that's your choice what you go for

idk what your issue with carnivores is and why you want to effectively nerf them

[urban flax]

And I say organs should be the only option
But they give a lot of nutrients

[tepid gate]

that's a really bad idea for a plethora of reasons

[limber hull]

thank u

[urban flax]

Or maybe they should be a bit more options, like animals have a type of meat that gives a little bit of some nutrients

[tepid gate]

a/ nobody would eat meat
b/ you severely limit the amount of nutrients people can get

[north quiver]

it might be the dev’s way of “enforcing” species to have their preferred prey. kind of like how sharks won’t typically hunt humans because they’re not their natural prey. same with orcas. but players will still kill whatever and whoever they want regardless lol

[tepid gate]

you would literally just pick up the organs and leave the whole rest of the body lying there

[urban flax]

a/ You eat meat in order to fill your stomach
b/iy's the same thing because organs would give more nutrients

[tepid gate]

a/ doesn't work with how the game is set up right now

so

just for the record

[limber hull]

the idea I had is that organs give INSANE nutrients, while meat doesn't give nutrients, instead it increases your stomach, and nutrients decay slower dependent on the amount of stomach

[urban flax]

So you start by eating the organs and getting your nutrients, but not filling much hunger, then iehter you eat the meat to not starve, either you're very confident in your hunitng capabilities and leave the meat to go hunt something else

[tepid gate]

the game is set up in a way where your nutrient drain is tied to the hunger drain

you'd also need to give nutrients to AI

or they kind of become useless

[limber hull]

honestly, no thanks

unless it's a piscivore eating fish

[tepid gate]

I mean what can I say aside from - this suggestion does nothing good but creates a bunch of problems?

[limber hull]

not really

[tepid gate]

yes really

what good does it do exactly?

[limber hull]

the current system creates tons of problems

[tepid gate]

I don't see anything positive coming out if it

[limber hull]

helps diminish the ridiculous deinosuchus and other apex carnivore populations by actually making them be active?

[tepid gate]

that get solved... how exactly by introducing what you two are proposing?

[urban flax]

Removes the stupid shopping lists
Makes megapacks harder to sustain, and solo play more rewarding
Gives a choice to players when it comes to their approach of hunting

[tepid gate]

how?

[limber hull]

let me send the whole thing

[tepid gate]

I don't see how it does either of those things

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

[tepid gate]

you either screw up the game for carnivores completely or do nothing of the above

[limber hull]

Again, I hate the fact that players HAVE to target specific animals

[tepid gate]

give me a sec I will read up the suggestion

alright so

I've skimread the first couple of lines and

what does a pack of any animals do?

E.g. Utahs? How do they get any nutrients from killing something?

[north quiver]

pack hunters like omni won’t gain much from it. it’d encourage them to continuously kill for organs. hunting things like stegos won’t be desireable at all because only certain people will be able to benefit from the hunt due to the limited amount of organs. you don’t really see wolves endlessly killing for organs and not eating everything of their kill lol..

[tepid gate]

one utah eats a heart/lungs

aaaand there goes that nutrient for the whole pack

it's just bad, you create so many problems for... what exactly?

[limber hull]

Ideally, organs would be able to be shared rather than outright swallowed, due to the insane nutrient gain

[tepid gate]

I mean I wouldn't mind organs dropping more nutrients, I don't think it would impact the game negatively but that suggestion overall is just bad

[tepid gate]

then how does that stop megapacking and whatever else you're outlining there?

you're just getting back to where we are now while creating a bunch of hoops the devs would have to jump through on the way

[urban flax]

There aren't many more "hoops" than there are right now, since organs are already in the game

[limber hull]

Like how lungs come in two, organs should have a little more variety imho

[tepid gate]

yes there are, I've already stated a few problems with your solution that the devs would have to spend time fixing - organs being shared between multiple animals is one of them

you do all that to fix absolutely no problems

and eventually arrive back where we are

it's just a bad suggestion that does nothing good for the game

[limber hull]

The idea is that you can slow nutrient drain by a HUGE amount by consistently keeping your stomach filled, meaning that you won't NEED nutrients all the damn time like you currently do

[urban flax]

Just make it so you can eat from organs, like you can eat from meat chunks ? If that' not possible already

[limber hull]

The slower drain for higher stomach counteracts rarer nutrients by making it less of a constant rush to get them

[north quiver]

if you keep your stomach filled how are you going to fill your diets if you can’t eat more without throwing up

[limber hull]

Organs give very little food, high nutrient

Rather than giving 1:1 food and nutrients, they'd scale EXTREMELY high in terms of nutrient, while only filling a fraction of the stomach

So you can eat them and get the nutrient gains without needing to constantly have a huge space in your stomach prepared

(a completely absurd system)

[urban flax]

[limber hull]

The idea would basically sum down to

• Nutrients are rarer, but when you get them, you get a great deal of them
• You generally have to have nutrients less frequently as long as you appropriately distribute raw meat/AI to keep them draining slowly
• Hunts are ALWAYS incredibly rewarding for the hunter, providing every available nutrient in high amounts, and do not punish you for simply not having x creature on an arbitrary list
• You can actually nest without the constant melt of nutrients by, again, having access to any food source

[tepid gate]

it's not, they could make that but it's additional work and it leads to where we are now for the most part.

Look, this isn't a hill I'm willing to die for. I'm not entirely opposed to the idea and I wouldn't mind it if it was already here aside from a few issues that it creates.

[urban flax]

As a solo player, you eat the organs, then you eat the meat, so you end up with a perfect diet and a full stomach
As a normal pack, you share the organs (or not) and people end up with varied amounts of nutrients. Depending on how well you share things and how efficient you are as a pack, everyone might till be able to get a perfect diet. There is still plenty enough food for everyone.
As a megapack, there aren't enough nutrients for everyone. So many people will end up with a mediocre or bad diet. The food may still be sufficient, depending on how big is the thing you killed.

[tepid gate]

Another problem you then have is how juvies would need to hunt players from the get go

to get organs which is not something you can expect from them right after they spawn in

[limber hull]

Ideally, pack hunters would starve slower, meaning they can survive on a few nutrients for longer

[tepid gate]

it just creates more problems than it solves

and at the end of the day - the devs want to keep those shopping lists

[limber hull]

I don't think they've ever expressed a fondness for them lmao

I just don't think they knew what else to do

[tepid gate]

I agree that they sort of rolled with this whole system and gave it to carnivores after setting it up for herbivores but

they generally don't want you to actively go after every animal

[limber hull]

If I'm a carno, I want to be as rewarded for hunting a juvi rex as a pachy, not punished because eliminating an apex threat wasn't explicitly in my list of things I'm allowed to eat

[urban flax]

That, or AI has small organs
That give less nutrients and food than dino organs, but still enough to keep a juvie up

[tepid gate]

and this allows them to kind of discourage you from going after certain animals

[tepid gate]

but this isn't about keeping up

[limber hull]

That can be done by simply setting up the animal to be favoured/unfavoured in certain hunts/environments

[tepid gate]

it's about the fact that a juvie would have to fill up from 0 to 100%

after spawning in

[tepid gate]

I don't disagree, this is what they should've gone with from the start and what I've been talking about since 2021 but here we are

[urban flax]

I don't see how the system Wave and I are suggesting would make it harder than the current iteration of diets

[tepid gate]

you said AI would give only a small amount of nutrients from their organs - enough to SUSTAIN a juvie

this isn't just about sustaining

you need to first get to 100%

before you can start sustaining that nutrient on your juvie

[urban flax]

bruh
Enough to give enough nutrients for a juvie to reach its diets

I thought that was clear

[tepid gate]

no, it wasn't, that's much more nutrient than just sustaining something

[limber hull]

For example, carno killing a baby stego should be seen as a valuable kill that can sustain the animal, not a funny KOS that is going to be left to rot due to some ridiculous list

[tepid gate]

getting nutrients the first time

is much harder than sustaining them

[urban flax]

You wouldn't need to get them to reach 100% as you spawn either if the system was less stupid

[tepid gate]

sure but GL convincing the devs to rework this whole dumb system that they've spent the past 2 years working on

[urban flax]

The old one, where having 1% of a nutrient gave you a buff, was honestly better
Since buffs are progressive and not instant they auto-regulate themselves

[tepid gate]

oh I know, I don't disagree

[limber hull]

It's why in my suggestion I'd start the animal off with two random diets, rather than one, allowing them to survive off meat scraps, or seek out hunts/scavenged corpses to allow them to grow faster

[urban flax]

Not like they've been reworking their systems with pretty much every update

[tepid gate]

they have

but this would probably be a really big rework and they are already working on other stuff, convincing them to get back to working on this will be difficult

I mean maybe they could do something with it on U9 but

definitely not earlier than that

but yea the diets just don't work very well

I'm not complaining about them because they're already vastly better than they were in the past

I'm happy with what I got, I don't expect more

[limber hull]

And also, on the topic of herbi diets, I 100% agree that needs addressing too

[tepid gate]

well herbivores could get a bit of love I think

yea

[urban flax]

Giving them a choice in what they can eat would already be a huge improvement

Maybe it could also work in the same way that what we're suggesting with organs, herbi diet foods are very limited in amount but give a lot of nutrients, although they don't fill much hunger

So they can afford to eat something that's not on their diet every once and then

[limber hull]

@left nacelle Humans are confirmed to be completely incapable of eating the dinos btw, or raw meat for that matter

[left nacelle]

I meant when dinos eat the humans

[limber hull]

Yea, but you said "varied diet"

It's likely they'll be quite restricted to only eating things appropeiate for humans

[left nacelle]

I was just referring to how humans in general eat a lot of different things. Like how we eat pizza, burgers, cake, all those different things. Of course the mercs won't be eating that stuff on the island but it's likely they ate those things before they got on the island, so their bodies would likely contain a large array of different nutrients and chemicals

Even so, humans will likely eat a lot more things on the island compared to the dinosaurs

Potatoes, radishes, coconuts, agave, oranges, fish, the AI animals, etc are all things humans could eat. Which is already quite a bit more than any singular dino

[rare fractal]

I think all 3 of those foods should naturally grow in the wild....for dietary purposes ofc...
Gimme a cake tree

That is the extent of my input on the topic

[left nacelle]

[queen ember]

I don’t mind the humans giving all three cause it would be a good reason to go after them. And even if you have a different diets if let’s say 2 lines and a dot. You still get those filled up

Or just making it so human meat can fill any diet and starts with your lowest then goes to the next or whatnot

[rare fractal]

2 Cake 1 Pizza will be meta, just wait and see

[left nacelle]

@devout sable The Isle has only existed for a little over 7 years, and the game was remade like 4 years ago. So the version we're playing now has only existed for like 4 years at most. Balance is an ongoing thing so the pachy issue you described might not even be a thing next update. And the lack of dinos is because the devs have been focusing on adding foundations and mechanics first and dinos later

Adding dinos rapid fire is one of the reasons legacy had to be abandoned

[queen ember]

It’s been on development for roughly 3-4 but we’ve on my had like 2.5 really

[left nacelle]

Yeah true

[rancid raptor]

That change should not be implemented in the stage the game is right now.

It is a change that could be implemented when the server has a larger variety of dinosaurs, better mechanics dedicated to migration etc.

Currently, however, it's undeniable that the only thing keeping players moving (mechanic-wise) is diets - and how fast they deteriorate.

[tepid gate]

Nonsense

the changes could be implemented right now

there's no reason to wait with them

diets aren't the only thing keeping people moving

people move where the action is

afking is only an issue when you're growing

[rancid raptor]

Absolutely not, and implementing these changes will give players more time not to traverse the map.

@jaunty hull Calls can be inspired from legacy and sound similar, but shouldn't be directly exported.

[tepid gate]

and diets don't do a good job keeping people moving either

I moved once while growing my Tenonto yesterday

[rancid raptor]

Diet is the only mechanic making players move rn. Can't deny that

[tepid gate]

once in 2 hours or so

[rocky shoal]

Can confirm, as dryo I nested with 0 diets to stay with some tenos

[rare fractal]

Also the simple act of moving around the map isn't necessarily interesting

[tepid gate]

^

[rocky shoal]

Migration will hopefully change that

[tepid gate]

moving in this game is a pain

[rare fractal]

Like ideally games are...fun

[tepid gate]

it's probably the most boring part of the game tbh

[rancid raptor]

Making diets last longer would encourage you not to move as much.
Either way, the devs are never going to make the change you're suggesting. @tepid gate .
Until, of course, migration/more variation is implemented into the game.

[rare fractal]

Easily

[tepid gate]

nonsense

[rocky shoal]

I like the idea of a big migration where all herbis are traveling together, it makes it seem more realistic imo

[tepid gate]

they are definitely going to do it, maybe not now

[rancid raptor]

Nope, name 1 other mechanic that makes people move atm. Name 1 other

[rare fractal]

Wouldn't diets being more localized make predation locations more predictable and thus increasing the amount of engagements had?

[tepid gate]

but they will, otherwise the game will literally be unplayable in the future

[tepid gate]

hunger

[rancid raptor]

That's exactly what I said

[tepid gate]

I can give you a second one - thirst

[rocky shoal]

Hunger, especially for carnos/hj

[tepid gate]

I can also give you a third reason to move - other goddamn players

[rancid raptor]

Hunger can be replenished wherever you are, same as thirst. I mean traversing your map.

You know exactly what I mean

[tepid gate]

it's not true

but I'm not going to keep on arguing with you

[rare fractal]

The idea that a lack of diets would just...prevent player movement is just so bizarre to me

[tepid gate]

I could talk to my desk and it would have the same effect

[rancid raptor]

As I said, any mechanic that makes diets last longer won't be a thing anytime soon - until they've added other mechanics 2 make up for it

You'll see it when it happens

or polished existing mechanics* etc.

[rancid raptor]

Condescending, you are

[tepid gate]

having talked with you on a few occasions made me that way

[rancid raptor]

Condescending behavior is forbidden here, my friend.

[rare fractal]

ironic

[rancid raptor]

I'm sure you've seen superlunary mention that several times
And now you just admit to doing it purposely

[rancid raptor]

I never do it on purpose, they just admit to doing so

[tepid gate]

I will actually just do what I should've done a long time ago

although I don't get why the blocked messages still show, that makes the whole thing completely pointless

[rancid raptor]

No need to be dramatic, all I'm saying is that they won't do what you suggested (making nutrients last longer)
until the game is more polished, or new mechanics make up for it 🙂

Just like I say with any of my other predictions, i'm going to go back to my message and show y'all me saying it, once it happens

[tepid gate]

dw, I will unblock you later probably, either way they're going to do what I said sooner or later whether you like it or not

otherwise mechanics such as nesting will remain unusable and useless, especially to some of the slower animals like Anky

[rare fractal]

oh god imagine how cringe migratory anky would be

[rancid raptor]

No offense but imo you're being pretty overdramatic with this, it's a discussion about diets

[rancid raptor]

The devs will polish migration & make it stable for each and every playable, that's their end goal

[rare fractal]

Well...ideally yes...

[rancid raptor]

Migration for diets won't be the same as it currently is for stego etc.
Stego having to move around for diet isn't a big deal atm, but it would be a big deal in endgame. aka close to finishing development<
they're going to change it eventually, it's just nowhere as important as anything else they're working on

[rare fractal]

Given a significant track record I could see that being executed quite badly

[rancid raptor]

You really think that's one of their larger challenges, and they'd end up executing it "badly" near endgame?

[rare fractal]

quite possibly

[rancid raptor]

What you're referring to is one of their least challenging challenges they're having to work on, compared to everything else they're going to release.
Absolutely not "quite possibly", they're not going to mess up something so miniscule - so many years from now

[rare fractal]

Why not?

Or rather how could you possibly know that?

[rancid raptor]

I know that it won't happen, just compare the difficulty of that mechanic to the difficulty on any other major mechanic they're working on. It's miniscule.

[rare fractal]

Why do you say it so definitively, it hasn't occurred yet

Also dietary positioning and migratory routes per species is what defines the majority of their gameplay, it's far from miniscule

[rancid raptor]

If you want to, you can believe they're going to execute migration of all things badly, but you're going to be wrong.

[rancid raptor]

It's very miniscule compared to other mechanics they're going to work on in the future for sure

miniscule AKA not as hard to develope

[rare fractal]

It's the predominant influencer over whether all dino gameplay is entertaining outside of balancing...it's insanely important

And it involves spawn zones, timing, and map design

It's very involved

[rancid raptor]

Important /=/ difficulty in development

[rare fractal]

I'm implying it's probably quite difficult

[rancid raptor]

Compared to?

[rare fractal]

Combat mechanics, basic physics, animations, sounds, general creature design elements, UI...etc
All of these involve less "strategy" for a lack of better terms...

[rare fractal]

I also don't believe they "will", I don't think it's even possible to use such definitive language in this context...
I think it's likely, and even if it reaches a functional state eventually it will probably go through severe and extensive growing pains

[maiden anvil]

@jaunty hull I neither didn’t give a like or a dislike. Reason is I agree with you but I’d like to see some extra stuff to it

Pretty much like they did to stego. They kept the vibe of its calls from legacy but made them different and better

[proven river]

Again, like stated in the message, it's not my original post, I just posted it because the reactions on the original message didn't work

[uneven mist]

@thin junco we have it

[thin junco]

aah alright

[uneven mist]

Some old concepts are here if you are curious #phase-two-archive

[thin junco]

ooh dont mind if i do ty!

[young swan]

Here is an idea... what if the more omni's pouncing something at the same time... the more pinnable the creature. Here is what i mean. Right now, a full grown Omni cannot pin a 100% pachy, but then can pin a 95% pachy. So it makes sence that 2 omnis pouncing at the same time should be able to pin, since they can barely hold one off) but no. at 96% and up they could handle 10 omni's if they could all latch at the same time. I'm not sure what this would do to game balance, but if Afterthought wants us to use pounce as our primary dmg and use teamwork, this falls within that perview

[cinder fossil]

That sounds cool

[rancid raptor]

it's cool that we can bite its feathers off

[rancid raptor]

This makes sense, but it would end up with a pachy having 0 chance against 2 utahs

It would also require a new mechanic, along with animations

@bleak bison @barren crater
This can be a perk, but shouldn't be base-kit

Diets will last more in the future, but not up until the migration is polished. It won't happen anytime soon, as this issue is nowhere near as important as whatever else the devs are working on

such as new animations/mechanics/dinos/releasing the new map

@proven river Public size chart would be cool

[bleak bison]

I don’t think it’s needed as a perk,just reset it to how it was

[burnt bone]

I don’t think that idea would end up well. Pachy would just immediately die the moment 2+omnis find it. It loses about 1/4th to 1/3rd of its bleed from a bucked pounce. A double pin would literally just 1-shot it before it could get back up. All that change would do is just make Omni unbearably op for anything in its relative size range. The pin is already egregious for smalls (as will likely be apparent as the roster expands) and even other omnis, expanding that to a large portion of the roster would be awful.

Omni already gains quite a lot from having multiple members in a pack. The more you have, the easier it is to keep the target moving, distracted, and losing stam. Plus, you can trade out by having 1 member pounce, then the other baits while the first regens stam. Then they swap out once the first is full. Pack tactics are incredibly strong on Omni as it is.

[burnt bone]

@young swan because reply bugged

[rare fractal]

We also just…don’t need more pins…
I even dislike the “oh well how did you let X animal get close to you, skill issue” because it just simplifies combat down to a level that I find really unenjoyable

[proud coral]

Also encourages mindless mobbing rather than using coordination. "Lol everyone run up and spam RMB"

Since at least currently, pin = free food

Imagine being pinned as a Teno because a group of Omnis all right clicked at the same time and now you cannot do anything at all

[rare fractal]

It turns Omni into what we feared Troodon was GOING to be before we found out about how venom works

[gleaming sky]

Will this game ever be available on the steam deck?

[nimble cliff]

@maiden anvil I agree with everything except it should still have its dive. It doesn't have to be very good at swimming underwater but it should have the option nonetheless.

[gentle flint]

Once again just gently bumping this for debuff ideas

There’s been good suggestions since then in the past but that’s just my explanation for disagreeing

[worn grail]

I like that you can tail slam in mudpits. Makes matches better to manage.

[urban flax]

@cinder fossil This one makes it so you can detect hiding carnis just by having your screen go funky
Imagine trying to ambush someone as a deino with this mechanic

I think scent giving away your position is still the best solution, since mixpackers don't know they're being debuffed. So two friends who decide to play together as different species for fun, or two players of different species who make an alliance of circumstance can do it just fine, since they wouldn't care about their efficiency. But people who do it for griefing will find thsemselves at a disadvantage because other people can detect them from very far away

[cinder fossil]

Oh I meant like, after 10 minutes the screen effect begins, not immediately

[urban flax]

I know people who would be willing to wait 10 minutes to have a confirmation that there would be a predator nearby
Also it can take more than 10 minutes to wait for the perfect occasion to ambush someone

But it also takes less than 10 minutes to move 50 meters away from someone else and clear the debuff

[tall hearth]

Not to mention that would hurt people with sensory issues

[cinder fossil]

The idea is for it to hurt everyone lol

It’s supposed to be annoying, intolerable

[cinder fossil]

What if, while Deinos are under the water, the effect doesn’t happen?

[urban flax]

But not hut in a bad way
Remember the people whog to seizures because of the old NV ?

[urban flax]

Then it gives deino a free mixpacking card

[cinder fossil]

I doubt people actually had seizures to be fair.

[urban flax]

And the carnis who rely on bushes to ambush get screwed

[cinder fossil]

While crouched and in a bush the effect also couldn’t happen

[urban flax]

So crouching also allows to mixpack ?

[cinder fossil]

I feel like it could work if the game had a way to differentiate people who are actively trying to get food, and those who are just chilling out together

[urban flax]

Just look at the issues this raises and the mental gymnastics you need to do to make it work. Now does a scent marker on mixpackers raise as many issues ? Does it require as many rules and exceptions just to work ?

[cinder fossil]

But that would be rather complicated

Do people constantly have Q held down? Not unless they’re trying to get food.

[limber hull]

I will stand by the fact that mixpacking should not punish the player, rather, it should give the average players rewards for the mere act of not mixpacking, then take those rewards away, should that change.

Carrot, rather than stick

[cinder fossil]

What kind of rewards?

[urban flax]

They would learn to hold down Q as well when trying to avoid predators
By pairing that with the megapack scent

And you get a big danger sign on your compass when you smell a megapack or a mixpack so people understand it's something they should avoid

Or a skull

A angry-looking skull

[cinder fossil]

Personally, I’d like it if the scent compass was always shown, even when running, because having to hold down Q constantly is rather annoyingl

[urban flax]

I think the idea of having passive scent on top of active scent was thrown around by the devs at some point

Like, very close objects and some super smelly ones would appear on your scent even if you're not actively scenting

And pressing the button increases the radius

[cinder fossil]

Especially as a herbivore, where moving while holding Q doesn’t show food icons…

I mean I don’t know about you but when I walk around I’m still able to smell things lol

[urban flax]

But you're not a herbivore

[cinder fossil]

[limber hull]

I wanted a comfort system. More comfort = faster growth, faster/more/better perks, healthier and longer elder state, better lineage.

Less comfort = none of the above.

Comfort is gotten dependent on the animals. Pack animals gain comfort from being with friends, solo animals are comfortable enough on their own, territorial animals gain comfort from laying their stake on a specific area and preventing others from taking it, other animals like to move around and mark their presence all over the map.

Mixpacking, megapacking, taking excessive damage, status debuffs, poor diets, so on reduce comfort, but comfort is NEVER going to make you actively suffer for having it, rather, it simply won't benefit you.

Lets animals behave like animals, rewarding them for doing good, while not being another annoying punishment

[urban flax]

[urban flax]

Carrot over stick every day
Although I'm not a fan of the concept of "comfort" in a survival horror mutated dino survival game

[cinder fossil]

I don’t think there’s really a way to 100% make players not mix pack or mega pack… but I also think there should be things to make it undesirable

[limber hull]

Take away rewards

I'll be honest, punishments suck

Especially in this genre

BoB's style of "I kill you for slightly disobeying my dipstick rules" doesn't fly with me

[cinder fossil]

The main issue I see is that we are expecting humans to act like animals, which can be boring.

That’s what’s wrong with pachy right now, it was meant to hit things, make them slow, and run away, however players want to kill things that injured them.

[limber hull]

thats an issue with pachy itself

[cinder fossil]

Would it still be an issue if people would hit and run?

I do agree, pachy deals too much damage and it’s hit makes things stay still for too long,

[limber hull]

Pachy literally is completely enabled to get away with basically whatever it wants, so it does

[limber hull]

I don't agree with pachy doing too much damage, nor do I agree the issue is the length of the stuns itself

Rather, it's the fact that pachy can punch up SO effectively against animals over 2x and even 3x its size

Reducing the damage doesn't solve the problem, only slows it down

The fact of the matter is, pachy's ability to consistently stun animals like carno or teno, or ANYTHING over 2x its weight is a massive problem

It needs to be limited to the most vital element of its kit, the fracture.

[cinder fossil]

True, that is indeed a massive issue lol,

[urban flax]

Make pachy's stuns chance-based

[limber hull]

God no

Just make it based on when the fracture actually happens

[urban flax]

And if you're really unlucky pachy stuns itself

[grave dagger]

Or let's stop trying to make herbis weaker than carnis because that would then create a highly increased carni playerbase

[cinder fossil]

I do kinda like pachy’s stun though, I mean it literally has the ability to crack bones, if things got hit by that surely they’d wince in pain.
The issue if that the wince in pain lasts too long and anchors you in place

[urban flax]

No, eat grass and die

[urban flax]

That's why tiered stuns is the best idea

[limber hull]

I don't believe in herbis being weaker than carnis, but I also don't believe in having animals like carno and pachy ruin the entire game for literally every other animal

Both the carnivores and herbivores have their problem animals, I'm not singling anyone out. I want carno to receive a similar treatment

[limber hull]

Also, another point, half of the reason I want pachy to not be able to stun so greatly above its weight is BECAUSE it's weakening herbivores. Pachy is the best animal in the game at killing tenontos atm, making any matchup basically decided before it starts, hurting teno populations a great deal.

[cinder fossil]

Carno’s turn radius while charging is too much, (I actually don’t even know why it was increased, as I never saw a single person complain about it)

That needs to be decreased significantly

[limber hull]

Please don't

[cinder fossil]

Why

[limber hull]

The one thing that actually makes carno a good pursuit hunter and not a pathetic excuse of an "ambush hunter" ad people want it gone. What kind of fast moving plains hunter has a move that ONLY works on animals that LITERALLY aren't looking at it

[cinder fossil]

The hit boxes could also be an issue, as I’ve seen people get hit on the tail tip and fall over-

[limber hull]

What needs fixing in carno's charge is the HORRID hitbox, the fact it can knock down animals greater than 50% the total mass of the carno, and the fact it can be spammed with essentially no penalty

[urban flax]

Peregrine falcons
Although they live more in mountains environments

[limber hull]

And they can fly

Very important distinction of actually having the entire sky to manoeuvre in

[cinder fossil]

They can also go 200mph in a dive- that speed isn’t comparable

[limber hull]

The carno turn rate change is legitimately one of the most interesting changes it ever got

It actually makes the animal do what it was always meant to

Hunt small game in an open field

[urban flax]

But shouldn't it be replaced with some sort of running alt-headbutt to make more sense ?

[limber hull]

Issue is it's overshadowed by other things that make it insanely strong

[urban flax]

Because although it's better for gameplay, carno being magically allowed to turn faster because it lowered its head seems off

On the other hand, some sort of drifting headswing that allows you to keep your momentum would be more interesting

[loud anvil]

to the mixpacking thing, i feel like the wobbly effect could possibly make ambushing harder? cuz if you get a screen wobble you dont have to see nor hear the predator
thats just my little nitpick at it

[worn flume]

The turn radius change is fine but the charge and bite hitboxes are broken af

[limber hull]

the bite hitbox is actually fine atm

no more xenomorph carno jaws

[worn flume]

Its really isnt. Ive been at a carnos hip and he killed me

[rare fractal]

latency

servers are notoriously ass

[limber hull]

@worn flume omni is actually really well done atm, the issue is that pachy and carno are VERY stupid and it kind of invalidates the changes

omni is probably in the best designed state it's ever in

[worn flume]

Prettymuch, they need to either nerf pachy and carno or buff omni

mostly carno

[limber hull]

I'd rather both pachy and carno nerfed

Pachy is actually stronger than carno lol

Both are stupid though, and neither deserve to be as strong as they are

[worn flume]

not really, most ppl just dont know how to actually play carno

a carno can 2 shot an adult pachy without even going for the head

[limber hull]

pachy is more agile, grows faster, has better matchups against omnis, tenos and carnos than a carno, has a much easier stomach to maintain, has more stamina, can fracture and can stagger extremely easily

[limber hull]

going for the head against a pachy would reduce the damage done

pachy takes less damage to the head than to the body

[worn flume]

Yeah but you get the point, they dont have to aim for a small part of the dino

ik they do

[limber hull]

carno is HORRID, but pachy is somehow worse. Both need MAJOR changes, mainly to carno's hitbox and ability to bully stuff like teno, and pachy's insane stuns against animals it REALLY should not be stunning

[worn flume]

stat wise that may be true but the main reason people die as a carno is because they dont play to its advantage. Its not meant to be a brawler, despite its size its meant to do hit and run tactics

[worn flume]

Agreed, however there seems to be a bug atm where if you head butt something more than twice ur size you get stun locked and have to hit G to be able to move again

[limber hull]

(honestly, pachy stunning things overtwice its size is already dumb lol)

this being said, pachy shouldn't get stunned itself for doing so lol

[worn flume]

yeah its wack as heck and unless someone tells you to hit G theres literally no way of knowing

the only other way to move again on your own is H but that makes you sit down

overall I think half of the roster is just wack atm tbh

either because they need a nerf or because the "ecosystem" style roster just isnt viable rn

like IMO they shouldve added dibble and barry or sucho instead of stego and deino

[grave dagger]

What if its not a hitbox problem. But a ping problem, on the carno screen you mightve been hit clearly

[lucid mauve]

Yea prob true, but as you say in the other post because of the current rooster it can brawl. Its a "big boi" now. Carno prob not gonna start brawling with lets say allo.

[grave dagger]

What if the hitbox is not broken, just player ping

[worn flume]

True but against pachy its still not smart to brawl. Youve got better speed but way less maneuverability

[worn flume]

I VERY much doubt its ping. It never used to be an issue until they buffed carno and now everyone and their grandmother is complaining about carno hitboxes.
Coincidence? I think not

[rare fractal]

Oh it was NEVER going to

If allo basically onetaps cerato...

(which i still find unbelievably lame but whatever)

[worn flume]

I doubt itll one tap cera

[rare fractal]

It does in the CA

pin

[worn flume]

Yeah but that doesnt mean theyll keep it that way

No one will play anything other than allo if it one taps everything smaller than a carno

[worn flume]

Can you link it I dont recall seeing that

[rare fractal]

I sure as hell hope they don't because that's dumb af

[rare fractal]

Just a minute

"It was your mistake getting that close"

I can see it now

[rare fractal]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/1003091745984233563/1009599143188111422

Gotta love those pin attacks

[urban flax]

Judging creature balance by concept art

Woah allo onetaps para in its CA

[rare fractal]

It's moreso that it is what it is till its not

The concept art hasn't been particularly untrustworthy so...idk

No reason to not trust it until it's defied

[urban flax]

There is one
Concept art has nothing to do with balance
It's done before anything balance-related is even being thought of

[rare fractal]

Well, obviously not because an animals theoretical niche informs it's balancing needs

If it's apart of allo's niche to entirely invalidate cerato as a combatant (which I think is lame but is certainly possible and implied) then it will

[urban flax]

Also the concept art doesn't show an allo one-shotting a cera either

It shows allo biting a cera
That is all

[rare fractal]

It shows the allo pinning the cerato

Not sure how else that's supposed to turn out :p

[urban flax]

ofc the picture wouldn't be as interesting if it portrayed allo phasing through a cerato's body to bite its head while the rest of its body stands perfectly still, like it does in-game

[rare fractal]

Tapwing also describes it as pinning

So...yeah

it's a pin

[urban flax]

And omni climbs trees in its concept art

[rare fractal]

And it won't?

[urban flax]

It's still not confirmed

[rare fractal]

Well...it isn't unconfirmed either

The reasonable assumption is that it would be added

Along with climbing when it's fully implemented

I don't even see the need to contest this...if it's determined that this is unreasonable for allo to pin cerato then it will be changed so that it doesn't...but as for now it will and we don't have a reason to doubt that, it's the plan, until it's not

[urban flax]

The reasonable assumption is that you shouldn't base your opinion on a playable's abilities or balance only via its concept art

[rare fractal]

Why not, what other purpose does the concept art have, especially when the devs have described the concept arts as a guide to reference back to

[urban flax]

Like we see troodon being murked by pretty much every other animal in their own concept, although I doubt every animal will specialize in killing troodons

Also magy wins against cera in its concept, while cera wins against magy in its own concept
So one of them must be lying

[rare fractal]

No, the implication being that they'll be reasonable combatants

[urban flax]

That's what they are
A reference
General guidelines
Not a bible

[rare fractal]

Why would I disregard the general guideline or design reference when making the most reasonable assumption as to the animals implementation, it's quite literally the only representation of their intended endpoint that we have

I don't understand why it makes sense to pretend as if they have no value

[urban flax]

There's a difference in assuming allo will oneshot cerato because it pins it in its concept art and completely disregarding the CA

[rare fractal]

Well in that case I'm running off of how pins currently function, and allo is a significantly larger animal than cerato so despite pins being reevaluated in a case where the animals are closer in size...I'm not sure how that applies to allo

[urban flax]

What I can tell from the concept art is that allo is planned to have some sort of pinning ability, and that it will do so by grabbing its opponent with both its arms and jaws

[rare fractal]

Mhm, which is why I'd assume it wouldn't survive it based on the artwork

If the ability involves it sending the cerato to the ground while mauling it, seems like a gg

[urban flax]

It depends on a lot of things
How long it lasts
How much damage it does
What are the requirements to be able to do it (does it work on an opponent with full stam ?)
Also there is still the possibility that such an ability will never make it to the game...

Like that cera grapple video they showed some time ago
Imo such a video is more trustable than concept art
Yet it didn't make it to the game

[rare fractal]

Again, I'd imagine the balancing of the ability in concept at least would reflect what it's shown doing, I don't see a reason to think it isn't going to just...kill what it hits, perhaps they see the counterplay being a partner to damage the allo as the allo is preoccupied with the pinned target, I'm not sure, but either way the artwork communicates the ability as being fatal, until that's communicated to us that it's not, or is being looked at again to be changed....it makes sense to believe that's the intent

I don't like doubting any piece of info I'm given for a future feature because it might change

I'd prefer my perspectives to simply be malleable to new info

[rare fractal]

What makes the video more reliable than the concept art?

[urban flax]

That's a lot of assumption over one drawing
In para's concept art, we see 4 paras screaming at one allo instead of just ganging on it and crushing it
Should we then go by the assumption that 4 paras can't kill an allo, or that their screams will be lethal ?

[urban flax]

Because it appears later in development, in the phase during which the playable's abilities are being decided

[rare fractal]

No, I wouldn't take that as a representation of capability but rather choice, the animals in the artwork are self admittedly acting "in character" so if a group of paras can stun an allo with their calls instead of risking injury they will....the same applies to allo accept it still supports the fatal interpretation, allo pinning a cerato is both in character and an expression of capability

[rare fractal]

Well, that still doesn't really give me reason to doubt the concept art tbh, elements or plans being changed is always something I'm willing to accept, but that needs to be shown or expressed before I implement that into my perspective on the animals future

Like I'd assume based on the concept art that cerato will be a better swimmer than allo, am I wrong for assuming that?

[urban flax]

You don't have to "doubt" concept arts
Just don't take them as a base regarding balance or abilities
They just exist to give a general feel of how a creature looks and behaves, because that's what concept art is

[urban flax]

It's a good possibilty
But don't take it for granted, although it's both shown in concept art and makes good sense

[rare fractal]

But why not, they're expressing ideal balance and abilities...if a behavior is shown in the concept art, and the concept arts are a guide, the animal would be designed around that artwork, unless otherwise stated I have no reason to doubt this

A representation of a niche or general feel is necessarily indicative of balance, because balancing and abilities is what create that niche

Now rebalancing to accommodate for a creative overstep that collapses balance is fine, but I'd prefer to wait for that to happen instead assuming it might

[urban flax]

Tapwing is no balance expert
She's a concept artist
Balance comes after

[rare fractal]

I don't for a second believe tapwing creates her artwork without consultation of the other devs that would have balancing as an interest

They wouldn't be used as guides otherwise

[urban flax]

The usual workflow when making concept art is that the head guy gives you what they want to character to be like (example : "Cerato will be a scavenger, but like a super aggressive one")
Then the concept artist does a lot of concept art, and then they keep the one they like the most

I highly doubt anyone asked Tapwing to draw "allo killing a cerato in one hit because that's definitely how we want it to behave in-game"

She just happened to draw that because it gave personnality to allo

[rare fractal]

I don't see why not :p

And again a lot of that is entirely lacking in confirmation

The workflow could be a lot more directed, but I'm not sure

I mean ultimately this is besides the point...I think concept art should be used as a referential resource for constructing a perspective of the planned implementation of the playables until it's contradicted

[barren crater]

Idk man. Allo just seems like it's going to do that to cerato. It's like what, 2-3x the size of it?

[rare fractal]

2ish

[barren crater]

It might not execute it in one go, but it's probably going to make it dead the moment it runs or something

[rare fractal]

And again I don't see why the concept art wouldn't have balancing input involved, especially given how many matchups they portray

[urban flax]

I told you, that's because concept art is done even before balance is begun to be thought about
At least it's how it happens in every normal industry

[rare fractal]

I'm not convinced that applies to ours :p

Especially as it's described as a referential guide

I feel like that becomes even more apparent as the artwork is released to the public before implementation instead of remaining internal until the animal is complete, as that's standard practice when it comes to publicly releasing said artwork

[barren crater]

I guess, but in allos case, I don't see it doing anything but pinning a cerato.

So it being shown like that is probably expected and what they plan

[rare fractal]

Well exactly

That's the implication behind it being released to us to see

[barren crater]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-islecord-no-way-bro-on-god-allosaurus-gif-26698101

^ Just using this for scale and yeah, it mauls it

[rare fractal]

Like I wouldn't look at rex biting an alberto's neck and "pinning" it in it's concept art and assume the alberto is going to survive that :p

If they want it to then...sure

But...that's not be shown

[barren crater]

Well... It kind of has

[rare fractal]

Has it?

Alberto tanking a neck crunch from a rex xD

[barren crater]

NO NO NO

Misread

[rare fractal]

Explain yourself Birdbrain!!

https://tenor.com/view/slave-knight-gael-dark-souls3-ringed-city-gif-24181378

[barren crater]

I thought you meant... rex not been shown holding an alberto

[rare fractal]

Oh gotcha xD

[barren crater]

#isle-discussion message Which in that case, this counts. Sorta 😄

[rare fractal]

Dondi endorses alberto genocide confirmed?!

Traitor to his own kind confirmed?!

[barren crater]

So true

[frozen heron]

@dusty sigil #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

They dont like when you report bugs thru feedback channels

[dusty sigil]

Oh, thanks for the heads up. I'll sort that out now.

[lucid mauve]

Well, if you take already implemented dinos they do fit the concept art well from what beeing shown. Not 100% but you get the picture of what is capable of. Like deino grabbing a teno, but just looking at the stego in the water etc.

[rare fractal]

Actually the only part of dieno's concept art that isn't in game is it's vertical lunge...because that ability is comically useless

And it may still get it eventually

[lucid mauve]

lol yea i saw that

But im guessing they did balance that before the art, they knew deino would not be able to grab a full grown stego since its just looking at it even tho the stego is by the water edge.

[rare fractal]

Or rather it was a balancing decision that it shouldn't be able to, because logistically it probably can

But for the sake of it's gameplay it shouldn't

[barren crater]

Punch keeps speaking on it, so probs

[rare fractal]

That's funny

Can't wait to attain my .025% food from the ptera I catch once a month

[barren crater]

Said a bit yesterday on mimic & omni scramble as well

Still something they'll try to add

[barren crater]

😼 Maybe if deinos were a bit on the smaller side for a while, it would be worth something. But they spawn out around 300kg

[rare fractal]

Even then the positioning for something like that it nigh impossible unless the ptera continues the same pattern for about a minute to facilitate your timing

It's just an ability that'll basically never get used

[barren crater]

Yeah... UNTIL WE GET SKIMMING QUETZ LETS GOO

[rare fractal]

Oh god....well it's better than live galli snatcher quetz

500kg yoinker quetz

[barren crater]

That's honestly one thing that would be unforgivable

Imagine running in the open as the plains creature and you just get swooped

[rare fractal]

Imagine trying to sit or nest as anything

Yoink

[barren crater]

(I remember people wanting it to compete with CARNO)

[rare fractal]

"Oh just hide well"
What a great counterstrategy against an animal who effectively has the vision of a satellite

[barren crater]

Like actually letting them fight 💀

[barren crater]

Yeah, but on the other hand... It would be funny if you were the quetz in that situation. I kind of want to try that out, just for a sec.

No downwards peck on quetz though

[rare fractal]

Oh sure it'd be a good meme to have deino quetz in the game for a sec

But I'd hate it with a passion

[rare fractal]

Yeah just straight up no aerial attack that isn't strictly for dealing with other fliers

[barren crater]

Watch it have some weird wing attack that kills pteras

[rare fractal]

Watch it do a barrel roll

[barren crater]

Yes

Honestly, anything as long as it doesn't do what ptera does

[rare fractal]

I still take issue with ptera even doing what ptera does

It quite literally only exists in the game as a means to annoy others...or chip someone down to death

[barren crater]

I do too

I think they did the wrong approach on it personally

[rare fractal]

Same

[barren crater]

The agility wasn't the big issue

[rare fractal]

It was the attack

[barren crater]

Yeah

[rare fractal]

Being perfectly canid...I actually prefer the new agility now because it feels less...weightless...but I think it should scale with speed and not just....you can't turn

[barren crater]

I would have much preferred it having a damage cap. Above a certain weight, it can't hurt a creature

[rare fractal]

Mhm, like above 100 it just...shouldn't

[barren crater]

Eh. Maybe a bit higher, but still. Something like that would have been fine for it

So it can still actively pressure juvi creature up to a certain size

[rare fractal]

I'd at max cap it at 200

There's no point in making it higher

[barren crater]

I agree

Since it would be suicide against anything larger lol. It's also 45kg and is perfect for survival

Or it should be suicide if it wasn't for that attack

[rare fractal]

It's the animal that of all the animals in the entire roster needs to fight the least

To the point where it engaging in combat with anything under any context is not at all justifiable

It can nest away from everything...and it can get food from AI alone

The only thing it'd actually NEED to be capable of fighting are other pteras...currently

[barren crater]

I think that's fine for ptera. People were used to its ability to kill larger creatures. So now they feel like it's 'useless'.
Even with it being 'bad', I still see a lot of them around NW.

Not every creature will appeal to everyone AND that's fine

[rare fractal]

Oh I'm more than fine with that...it being what is essentially an aerial spectator mode with survival mechanics is fine

[rare fractal]

Well that's actually the point of variety xD

[barren crater]

Yeah lmao, but even then - people want everything to kill everything. I will admit I like pvp creatures, but someone else might like the chill gameplay of ptera

[barren crater]

Beginner friendly

Literally what I played the most in update 3

When I got back into the game

[rare fractal]

It's kinda the same problem we run into with deino....it has a hunting method that SHOULD fail the most out of all hunting methods in (arguably) the entire completed roster for various reasons...and yet it becomes a problem when making a lunge kill is somewhat uncommon

It just...I'm confused

[barren crater]

I don't want to discuss Deino...

[rare fractal]

Honestly I never even want to comprehend deino for as long as I live...

So I'm down with that

[barren crater]

I unironically am a deino magnet. The last 2 times I played, I died to the thing. I have so many clips. It's probably the number one thing I die to

That and hackers lol

[rare fractal]

The only reason I don't die to them is because the only animal that I can stand to play on land rn is stego....otherwise it's ptera...as a teno enthusiast the current balance of the game curbstomps my will to live

[barren crater]

Carno mainly when solo. Then teno

I get grabbed left and right

[rare fractal]

U6 sucked any enjoyment I once had out of carno gameplay....everything it can kill it deletes effortlessly, and just as before everything it can't ram deletes it....same with pachy...and their power's combined just makes me never want to play teno because encountering either basically just means I die

[barren crater]

That's what I like about it. The deletion . Hop on for an hour and kill everything. Log off

Pachy is even sweeter

[rare fractal]

Coat your entire body in the blood of an entire server...leave xD

[barren crater]

I unironically wiped an omni pack of 8 + a teno 💀 . Even a group of 5 adult tenos

[rare fractal]

Oh I believe it...it's actually easier to kill groups of teno's solo than it is to fight one alone because you're so much more predictable

[barren crater]

Yeah teno 1 v 1 has been harder and easier if that makes sense

[rare fractal]

Well the only change a teno has to stop you without taking damage is to time the slam so that your ram and the slam impact eachother at the very tip of the teno's tail...any further behind and at minimum you're both tanking eachother's hits...and the carno will eventually outdamage you if that's the case since charge has a higher damage value than even a slam headshot...on top of carno's 200 extra hp...etc...

Any further back and the slam does nothing and you die

[barren crater]

Yeah, but the moment you angle yourself where they can't charge. You win. Like they can't brawl you anymore either

[rare fractal]

How can they do that when charge outturns a sprinting teno

[barren crater]

Rocks exist. I've been using hills as well against carnos.

Anywhere where they won't charge you without thinking about it

[rare fractal]

Oh that's totally different

But the best you'll get is a stailmate

And even then it's only really a matter of time till you make a mistake...cuz the carno essentially can't

[barren crater]

Nah you can be aggressive the moment they can't charge you

[rare fractal]

Unless it flies off a cliff and dies

[barren crater]

I guess IF the carno is good

[rare fractal]

I guess if the carno is dumb enough to take that bait

[barren crater]

I... I think I've only seen like 5 good carnos this update

[rare fractal]

It doesn't take a good carno

It just takes a carno that knows not to run off a cliff xD

I haven't actually seen good carnos this update because I have no way to judge the skill level of a player who is playing a playable that has such a rock bottom skill ceiling

[barren crater]

No. NO TRUST ME. It isn't about running off a cliff. I mean you can get by walking around center like an idiot if you're a good teno, since the majority of Carnos suck.

I've done it and keep doing it

[rare fractal]

I feel like the only way this is possible is if their mouse lacks an RMB

But if they're THAT bad I suppose so

[barren crater]

I don't know what to tell you, but they do

[rare fractal]

Man that's impressive honestly xD

[barren crater]

You'd just have to play the game to see the players

DO IT. SOLO TENO

It's funny as hell how bad most people are

[rare fractal]

I've tried it 8-10ish times already :(

[barren crater]

What have you died to?

[rare fractal]

I only ever run into the carno's that are aware of what the mechanics are

Pachy's mostly

4ish times against carnos

Then i just stopped

[barren crater]

LOL. I haven't died to a pachy yet this update

Heck I haven't been attacked by one as a solo teno

[rare fractal]

Now that is impressive...not because of any skill displayed but I'm insanely envious of your luck

Because...you just die

[barren crater]

Yep

[rare fractal]

Like that's just a matchup that lacks a counter xD

[barren crater]

It's one sided BS

Last time a pachy attacked me as a solo teno, it was update 4

and it was group of them

I just jumped across rivers and kicked the ones that crossed

[rare fractal]

Mhm, if only that was a reasonable tactic

But yknow…deino

Use your terrestrial defensive capabilities….death
Use your aquatic aptitude to escape…death

[barren crater]

IT'S TIME TO ACCEPT IT. YOU HAVE NO OPTIONS AS TENO. YOU ARE MERELY FODDER

[compact flare]

Teno na1

[barren crater]

I wish

[rare fractal]

The animal with the beat combat design is ironically the least viable

[compact flare]

Clearly carnotaurie is meant to be the best brawler with its awesome charge move

[barren crater]

It's fine!! You just need to stick by the rivers and cross at the sign of any risk

[rare fractal]

The man wielding the sawed off shotgun is clearly the best sniper

[barren crater]

Carno knocking a teno down after charging it from behind

[compact flare]

number one rule of playing tenonto during update 6:

Don’t

[rare fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-fire-house-burning-okay-gif-5263684

[barren crater]

So true bestie

[compact flare]

Horse gameplay

[barren crater]

I need to fix my PC

before I play horse again

[barren crater]

[compact flare]

is it melting

[rare fractal]

They took the battle out of my battledonkey

[barren crater]

Yes. I'm getting it fixed on Thursday

[barren crater]

🥰 (It always died to Pachy)

[rare fractal]

Oh trust me I know…I’ve always been advocating against this problem…it’s just gotten that much worse by virtue of Tenonto entirely lacking matchups

[barren crater]

Yeah... Well update 6.5 will surely change it.

Anyways, peace gamers

[rare fractal]

Mhm! Just like 4.5 5 and 5.5 did!

[barren crater]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979041925619396629/1073476849038016632/0B3CF353-4FC0-44FE-9988-87F52385C152.gif

[rare fractal]

Cya!

[compact flare]

Let’s argue

[bleak bison]

@unreal ridge imagine your nesting and a predator walks past,and because of fear or intimidation you get debuffs and your babies die from it. Not a good idea,and I don’t want this game to be even more tedious.

[urban flax]

@karmic bison I care

[proven river]

Me too, don't speak for other people just because you think they all have the same opinion as you

[karmic bison]

But it takes development time away from the important things, and either way I don't think the devs can pull off humans anyway

[proven river]

Besides, no humans will be a server option so some servers won't even have them and you can play on those

[urban flax]

Not like humans have been pulled off in games about one thousand times before anyways...

They're important, they're literally 50% of the game experience

[karmic bison]

These devs are incompetent is what I'm saying

[proven river]

Then don't play the game

Then don't be on the server

[urban flax]

Figures
I'm certain you will find better support to your cause on reddit

[proven river]

If it sucks so much, why are you here?

[karmic bison]

I want the game to be better?

[urban flax]

Fun fact : Saying people are incompetent and looking down on their work doesn't make them work better

[proven river]

^

[karmic bison]

Well neither does patiently waiting for 4 years

[proven river]

And besides, humans have been planned since day one, nothing you say will change them being added

[karmic bison]

Apparently

[urban flax]

Providing constructive feedback does, that's what this channel is for

[proven river]

^

[karmic bison]

Doesn't change the fact that it's stupid, it's a dinosaur survival simulator, doesn't need humans or goats or pigs

[proven river]

Play another game

[urban flax]

It's not a dinosaur survival simulator and it was never intended to be one. It was always meant to be a humans/dinos survival horror sci-fi game

If you didn't want humans in this game, it's on you for not reading the steam store page before purchasing

[proven river]

You're literally complaining about the setting of a video game, it's the devs game, they're going to make the game they're going to make, that's like getting mad at an fps for not making an rpg for example

[proven river]

Like bubulblu said, the devs never meant it to be a survival game, it was originally intended to be a deathmatch type thing like primal carnage, this is not a dinosaur survival simulator, it's more like it now yes but as bubulblu said, it's a humans/dinos survival horror sci-fi game

[urban flax]

(Primal Carnage is a deathmatch game, not a battle royale)

[proven river]

My bad, I don't really know much about it lol

there we go

[bleak bison]

Tbf tho working on humans to be in this state does take away time that could’ve been put into other things

[bleak bison]

Unfortunately imo it’s part of the game so we’ll have to deal with it,or ply on a server that doesn’t allow humans

[urban flax]

Like people often mention, the dev who works on human isn't the same one than who works on dinos

Apart from programming, but they share the same code and functions so I don't think it really is time wasted either

[bleak bison]

Good point

But I’d say why even release humans in the state they’re in

[urban flax]

Why even release the whole game in the state it's in ?

[bleak bison]

Because the state of the game>state of humans after a year with them being the same

There was a year between they released and what they had a crouch added? In a year? Damn

[karmic bison]

The game is never going to be released, it'll always be crap, and then they'll pull a "oh sorry guys we're starting over the code is too jumbled"

[urban flax]

Why are you still here instead of on Reddit ?

[rare fractal]

John lost his cake too

[bleak bison]

I doubt they’ll have any coding issues again

I hope not at least

And if they do questions need to be asked

[proven river]

https://tenor.com/view/kangaroo-animal-chewing-why-so-angry-grasshoppa-why-so-angry-grasshopper-gif-17473325

[karmic bison]

The game had barely had any development in like 2 yers.

[proven river]

Literally what is your point, ok, the game sucks, we get it, what do you want?

[karmic bison]

For it to be better, add more things to play (not humans) and fix the lag while increasing the player count possible to 400 or more.

[bleak bison]

He wants a good game

[proven river]

Ah yes and he wants to help make it by complaining senselessly with no constructive criticism

[bleak bison]

Being constructive doesn’t magically make the game better tho

Neither does complaining

[proven river]

Nor does complaining

Yep XD

[bleak bison]

He has a valid point

Somewhat

[proven river]

Maybe, but communicating it by complaining isn't any bit convenient for anyone

[bleak bison]

True dat

[proven river]

Saying "aw devs suck," "game bad," and whatever else, achieves nothing, if you want the game to be better, say something useful

Jesus

[urban flax]

Being constructives gives you a chance of being listened to and, by extension, leading to improving the game

[karmic bison]

Get better devs, there, something useful.

Make better development choices.

[proven river]

[karmic bison]

Get someone who actually knows how to make maps that are not full of floating trees and weird jagged edges

[rare fractal]

Well they already did that one

[karmic bison]

They did, when is that coming, 2043?

[proven river]

Egh, I don't even know why I'm wasting my time here, nothing will change from this nonsense. Cya folks

[rare fractal]

Probably next month

The map is basically done

[karmic bison]

Probably he says, not knowing anything and just spouting nonsense into the void that is this discord

[rare fractal]

Well, no I do know..I've seen the map

[karmic bison]

But is there a release date?

[rare fractal]

No, that doesn't forbid me from making substantiated guesses though

[tepid gate]

big doubt on it coming next month

It should come out this year but gods know when exactly

Speed is in fact one of the things you cannot accuse the devs of

Idk what happened past update 3 but the updates started being released at an abysmally slow rate after that point

[tepid gate]

There's never a release date in this game, the few times the devs tried to give one they pretty much always failed to stick to it

Idk what happens behind the curtain but I feel like they seem to potentially underestimate the adversities that might arise during the process

[latent olive]

@idle yarrow they actively read the feedback posts

[rare fractal]

Yeah...I'm being generous...but a lot of that is probably my warped sense of time lately.

Really not sure what happened post U3 tbh

[idle yarrow]

Proof?

[latent olive]

If you don’t believe me, look at my 2 latest general feedback posts

[rare fractal]

1-2-3 were quite a bit faster and larger

[latent olive]

^above

[tepid gate]

I'd say not to be generous

[latent olive]

If a feedback post is interesting enough, a dev will react to it or even tag/DM the person

[tepid gate]

because it kind if gives the feeling to people that should be coming out at that time reasonably

and when it doesn't - yea

[latent olive]

My 2 latest feedback posts have been reacted to by hypno and punch

[tepid gate]

and yea 1 and especially 2 were really fast

3 was slow but it had a lot of stuff in it

[rare fractal]

Lemme rephrase again then...cuz I don't think I'm actually being generous...my warped sense of time lately led me to choosing next month nearly out of complete random

[tepid gate]

idk what happened to slow down the development so much past that time

[tepid gate]

Some of the feedback gets implemented every now and then

[idle yarrow]

Sorry I don't see proof, can u reply to it if possible?

[tepid gate]

it's just that most of it is utter trash so there's barely anything worth looking at there

iirc there's roughly around 1-2 feedbacks worthy of reading per month

[latent olive]

#general-feedback message

[tepid gate]

or so

[latent olive]

#general-feedback message

[idle yarrow]

Sorry but these are just suggestions? I don't see proof

[tepid gate]

How do you not see the proof?

If you can see that Punch reacted to them

[idle yarrow]

Let's take the Carno hitbox as an example

[latent olive]

look at the reactions you actual funnelweb spider

[tepid gate]

do you think he reacted to them without reading the feedback?

[latent olive]

Hypno reacted to my UI post, punch reacted to my ability idea

[urban flax]

A dev never reacted to my feedback :'(
But funnily enough most of my feedback posts have exactly 3 downvotes

[latent olive]

add a touch of comedy

works like an alligator 💪💪💪🐊🐊🐊🐊

[tepid gate]

Yes, the very sensible feedback that EVERYONE and their grandmothers know about but one that has been first released after the last update meaning that the devs did NOT yet release an update with a fix to it. If they don't fix it in the next update then you can complain about that but as it is you can write about it 10 times a day and it won't change a thing.

[idle yarrow]

Would u then not agree that the bare minimum is not something to brag about? There is no community feedback or interaction or even updates to the community? I'm not saying this to be rude but out of frustration that we've been here a long time and waiting...so long. Don't u think that we deserve more?

Not nessesarily more as in content but rather feedback

[tepid gate]

Well the devs work slowly, there's no doubt about that but the example you used is just bizarre.

[latent olive]

We do need better communication, yes

[tepid gate]

Carno's charge has been an issue for like a month and a half.

[idle yarrow]

Exactly

[tepid gate]

Yea that's not much by this game's standards

unless you started to play it yesterday

[latent olive]

It’s why I tagged punchpacket for HIS feedback on my one inch punch ability

[tepid gate]

Besides this is an issue that is for the most part irrelevant to the game's development

and not something worth hotfixing at this stage of the development

this is a balancing problem

it doesn't crash the game

it doesn't delete the progress every time you log out(which was a bug that was in the game for 4 months at one point and the devs didn't hotfix THAT)

[idle yarrow]

I can understand everyone's opinion but leaving certain things (like the Carno charge as an example) for when the update comes out in months, years or whenever does drive alot of users away caus it's so important to the balance.

Also I disagree and think all of the things u mention is VERY important

[tepid gate]

Carno charge is a non-issue compared to other problems this game has had in the past

it's not worth hotfixing

they have like 2 programmers

[idle yarrow]

It's very worth hotfixing as it enables players to abuse the system

[tepid gate]

taking one of them out of development just to hotfix something like that

is just a bad call

I want the next update faster

idc if one playable is too strong right now

Carno's charge will most certainly get fixed with the next update, it's a w/e

[idle yarrow]

If it means that regular isle players are driven away I would say it is very important

[tepid gate]

Utah was broken level of overpowered for like 6 months prior to that and they didn't care to hotfix that either

[tepid gate]

no it isn't because they come back with the next update

they always have, just look at the steamcharts

the game drops almost all the players and then the next update of interest is released it either gets back all of them

or outright breaks its records in terms of player-count

the devs would probably ignore it if 90% of the playerbase stopped to play the game because they know all those people will be back either way

I know I will

what you have to understand is that this game is effectively in what in normal circumstances would be a closed-alpha

it doesn't even have all the mechanics in it yet

it's far from being in a state where they should care about such irrelevant issues like balancing problems, you just don't hotfix stuff like this at this stage of the development

[idle yarrow]

I guess that's up to a person to person preferance on what is more important. It might be more important to one person than another so it's difficult to look at it objectively.
The one thing I won't change my opinion on is the feedback as its not clear enough towards the public.

I can sort of understand where u are coming from in terms of what updates gets released when, but communication is key

[tepid gate]

past update 9? Yea this would very much require a hotfix

[tepid gate]

I mean sure, I'd argue that the devs lack the transparency very much and it's not clear whether they read each specific feedback or not

but Carno's charge specifically isn't a good example of them ignoring feedback, if there was an update with balance changes since U6 and Carno remained the way it is now - then yea that would indeed be a problem but other than that it simply means they haven't gotten to fixing it yet

[rare fractal]

I feel like that's basically what pachy and teno have been since pachy's implementation

[bleak bison]

the devs dont listen to us so its kinda irrelevant

[urban flax]

They do
I've seen feedback being taken into account for the next update quite a lot of times
Including my own feedback at times

[bleak bison]

i hope thats the case,with fellipe saying they dont believe us and people talking about the same things in general feedback since 2021,im gonna question it

[urban flax]

I knew you would mention Filipe
And I'm certain you heard it from other people complaining about it rather than from Filipe himself
Because he was talking about balance feedback specifically, and for a very good reason. If you ever look at the balance feedback channel, it's a mess. And yet, it's been a lot worse at times. People say everything and their opposite. Everyone complains that the dino they don't main is OP, and that their main is too weak. And people who booted the game for the very first time have as much of a say as people who have been playing it for thousands of hours.
It's one of the first rules in game development : Never trust your community for balance.

[bleak bison]

I saw Felipe say it with his own mouth😂I’d trust the community over current balance since balance isn’t great rn

[urban flax]

I'm sure it would be much worse if the community was in full charge of it
I agree balance isn't great, and it never was, yet by looking at the majority of balance feedback ones (except the ones that just say carno's hitbox is OP, which makes sense but is actually a bug) I can tell it would be terrible

[bleak bison]

Oh def it would be worse if I’m honest.

[tepid gate]

I wouldn't trust the community on literally anything

Most of my fears regarding this game come from the devs potentially listening to the community

they've already made some awful decisions due to the community input

[tall hearth]

[limber hull]

literally every time i've seen community balance decisions be followed by the devs, it ends in disaster

[daring talon]

bro says noone cares about humans

[limber hull]

if the community got their way, omni would go back to being god, stego would literally die to a splinter, deinos would rule the entire land uncontested, teno would remain forgotten, dryo and hypsi would be removed because people don't like the fact that smalls even exist in the first place/dryo is made into a galli 2.0 clone with kicks and speed and nothing else unique about it, pteras would continue being absolutely obnoxious killing machines for no reason, pachy would remain exactly as is, so on, so forth

[daring talon]

Ik multiple people, including my sibling, who think the idea of driving around in a jeep with a bigass rex chasing you would be hilarious

but they dont want to play as the dinosaur and caren't about them

[limber hull]

literally i have a group of friends anxiously waiting for the MOMENT humans are fully fleshed out and put in

[daring talon]

There are more then a few people who have the game JUST for humans

[urban flax]

And there would be no humans at all, no human structures and no lore

[daring talon]

just like some have t he game JUST for dinosaurs

[limber hull]

yep, just weirdly genetically modified dinosaurs on a bland island with no reason for it, killing each other forever

[urban flax]

And probably no evrima at all, since people were very opposed to it at the beginning

[daring talon]

a game with a story is more engaging then a game without one

[limber hull]

survival? what is this, baby game? lemme afk grow another pachy so i can kill literally every animal I see, regardless of size difference

the isle is all about dinosaurs killing each other

[daring talon]

Its hard to have a story in a dinosaur game that doesnt either A - have magic/gods like Bob or Pot
or B - Have human beings like the isle or... bob......

[limber hull]

nothing more

[urban flax]

There's lore in BoB and PoT ?

[daring talon]

I saw this one really oldmessage from one of the goofy aah admins
apparently beasts of bermuda dinosaurs are people who got stranded and died

[limber hull]

What questline do I have to do in PoT to get the main storyline? All I keep getting are these useless growth sidequests.

[daring talon]

idk if pot has lore tbh

just seems like it theres gotta be some explanation for dinosaurs collecting coins

and the big rune stones

[urban flax]

Wait rune stones ?

[daring talon]

anyways uh

[daring talon]

big teleport rocks or something

its weird, i dont care pot is bad

[urban flax]

Goddammit PoT is Valheim

[daring talon]

the isle could quite literally be a combination of multiple games

[limber hull]

one thing i ADORE about anti-human activists is the fact that they ALWAYS say "no one cares about humans" after asking literally no one if they care about humans

[daring talon]

a dinosaur survival game, tarkov, and idk the forest for tribals

that means they reach multiple communities

[urban flax]

Far Cry primal ?

[daring talon]

and people get excited about aspects that they would normally never care about

[tall hearth]

I used to be against humans too, but I grew to love the idea of playing them in the future. I wanna be horrified of every dark corner. I want to be hunted in the forest without seeing something coming. I want to feel fear like that. It's just exciting.

[daring talon]

ok, a play as dinosaur survival game, a play as modern humans in a tarkov esc situation game, and whatever they are doing with tribals

[limber hull]

i have hoped forever that humans would be underpowered, rather than overpowered

i want the experience to be HARD and very prone to death

[daring talon]

Like lets say a tarkov fan comes and plays the isle
they start liking it they settle in it becomes their main game

Suddenly they care about new dinosaurs, because thats a new threat to work around

[limber hull]

i want people WHINING about how useless humans are while out in the open in balance feedback because ONLY THEN will I know the challenge is truly worthwhile

[daring talon]

and said dinosaur players care about human stuff, because thats a new resource to use and abuse/a jeep to avoid getting run over by

(My brother literally just wants to take a jeep and treat juvies like speed bumps)

[limber hull]

i REALLY want humans just to be complete garbage outside the bases, at least in combat. In stealth, not so much, they should be stealth MASTERS

[daring talon]

(preferably while blasting some stupid song like freebird, if thats an option)

[daring talon]

It should be possible for you to be a stealth master, If you are bad you will get L'd by a utah in 2 minutes

[tall hearth]

The general feedback post saying "no one cares about humans, let's have a poll and see " and it's got massive downvotes lol

[daring talon]

Noone in the dinosaur-only part of isle community cares about humans

the more generalized community, and those who arent playing yet because they are waiting for humans, most definetly do care

[tall hearth]

Ok, they can play on servers that have humans disabled

[daring talon]

[tall hearth]

It's also not a "one of the other" thing. I love the dinos, but I'm also very excited for humans down the line.

[daring talon]

The only other game I can think of where some people are dinosaurs and some are humans is primal carnage, and thats not exactly anything near the isle

[daring talon]

Yeah, you can play a dinosaur for a while, get bored, and go play tarkov without even switching to a different game

Appealing to multiple communities at once like that is a good way to make your game last a long time

[urban flax]

There's also Orion: Dino Horde and Dino D-Day, but both are pretty old games

And both are deathmatchs too

[daring talon]

yeah, where both sides play essentially the same in a class based shooter

both sides entire goal is "Kill the enemy team"

whereas the isle both sides do have the same goal of "Dont die lol" the dinoosaurs just have to eat and drink, whereas the humans have to repair a base, find vehicles, find fuel, find weapons, fend off hungry dinosaurs, etc etc

[urban flax]

Yeah it promises a lot more variety in gameplay

[swift atlas]

@desert crane about the food going to the bottom of river, i believe there is a bug on that, some times it sink, sometimes it doesn't, on the past was more frequently it being in the surface of water

[robust dome]

It goes bakc up to the surface tho

[frozen verge]

It takes a while to go up to the surface though

Like by the time you actually get to it its already glitching through the floor

[swift atlas]

@spring holly For sure we need a big change for big animal, but we still have others issues to fix. Like, a Juv having infinity stam means something, you should not AFK grow as a juv, and this is basically what every specie can do rn, starting with utah and the others bigger than it, can AFK for like 20-30min before need to search for food again. And Deino, as one of the APEX of the game, can sustain so much easy that you basically can see a river full of it (i know deino has others issues too, but we can have a idea)

the point is, a fresh Juv and a Adult CAN'T have the same food drain rate

[brave sonnet]

does anyone know the real reason there is no global chat? ive heard a few things including it was removed to stop mix packers. but im interested to know what the actual reason is

[proud coral]

The developers (as well as lots of players including myself) believe it took away from the survival vibe of the game since it essentially turned the server into one big chatroom.

To a lesser extent, it also did make things like mixpacking as well as general toxicity easier to accomplish

[swift atlas]

and it helped people to be even more toxic

[young swan]

Pachy pretty strong atm. Rght now a pachy can kill 2-4 omnis if they have practiced a little bit. Now the Pachy will inevitably die, but Good Pachy players are untouchable. Pachy also play in herds too so they are not defenseless. In fact they could be double killed quite handily. Additionally. Omnis can only stay pouncing for a couple tics pouncing pachy by themselves. The buck is extremely effective. So a mistimed doudblepoumce will likely result in at least 1 Stamina-less Omni.

[peak granite]

@proven river I think the noises Dino’s make when they bite are good for the sake of like… having to be aware of when you bite and stuff, to add more immersion to being sneaky you know? Also, I have a snake (rosy boa) and she absolutely makes noises when she bites and so did the tegu I used to have. They’re bigass reptilian creatures and it’s not unreasonable that they would have been making some kind of noise or exhalation when they bit stuff. I think a lot the bite noises should be significantly quieter though.

This is specifically for bite noises though jumping sounds being loud is silly. There should be an exhale sound but not much else. That’s what I think at least

[proven river]

Perfectly understandable but yeah toning it down at the least wouldn't hurt, and if not being able to hear things would be a problem, just make the snap of the jaws louder, like crocs irl

[peak granite]

Yeah

[proven river]

Yeah, eating too I think

Carno eating sounds are insane

[peak granite]

Or maybe more of a Hiss and less of a AURGH noise would make more sense when some Dino’s bite

[peak granite]

Yeah 😂

[proven river]

Yeah I probably misworded it a little but my main issue was growling while doing things, hisses sound fine

[peak granite]

Yeah

Soft Idle growling is sick but borderline screaming when you bite is… mmm… 😂

[proven river]

[peak granite]

You ever seen cobra feeding? That’s the type of noises I expect when I think of a utah bite

[proven river]

I haven't, sounds dope

Also yeah the idle sounds are

[peak granite]

It is, you should absolutely go search for it

[proven river]

Aight bet

[peak granite]

I loooveeee the idle sounds in the isle for carno specifically. It’s a real throat sound exactly as it should be.

I think everyone should bear witness to the badassery of cobras. Their growls and vocalizations are so cool

[proven river]

[peak granite]

Mhmmmm

[desert crane]

you say that but I've consistently seen people know how exactly to break it. So the people that are food denying ME seem to know how to do it every time, and the couple times I've been able to observe it as pteranadon, that's what they do. They ensure they kill it on land and drag it into swimmable water, and pretty deep into it too. I hope it's a bug but it doesn't seem to be, because I see people do it every single time they want to be toxic, and this has been happening since before update 6 btw

I won't give people leeway in just 'believing' they're not doing it on purpose. Of course it's on purpose, so the devs need to fix it

It doesn't seem to be a bug with how consistent it is, but I hope it is

[limber hull]

@proven river Troodon is releasing with venom tho

i dont think that changed

[silver blaze]

you are missing the entire point of the complaint that he is making and the one hes replying to

[limber hull]

my point still stands, regardless, when was troodon deconfirmed

if you're going to back up your argument with statements like that, i'd at least like to know if they're even remotely true

[proven river]

Oh fudge I misworded, it was meant to be mimicry

Thanks

[swift atlas]

@full pewter The points with APEX is making the survivability of them EXTREEEEMELY hard. longer growth time, hard sustain, making juvs move much more than a adult, injure system, high competition and etc. No matter if everyone wanna/will play a APEX, 1 from 10 should reach adult (or even worse), this is how APEX will be balance, the game is just too easy and are not ready for big animal, and you can see part of these issues with Deino

[left nacelle]

@potent sparrow That isn't implemented cause it was already a thing and got removed. Interspecies communication doesn't really make much sense and if herbivores have it, it makes no sense for carnivores not to

Plus herbivores don't really need it. You can communicate through calls if you really need to

[agile roost]

#general-feedback message
Wdym night time is too long? It's too short right now.

[left nacelle]

I think they just mean when you go off the ingame time. The actual time that the sun sets and rises is off

[agile roost]

Ohh, right

[left nacelle]

According to them, it sets at around 4pm and rises at like 7am, which doesn't make sense

[agile roost]

Timezones exist

Like for me, the sun doesn't go down until 6:30ish

And in the winter, it goes down at 4

[left nacelle]

It should go down at around the same time no matter the timezone tho, that's the whole point of timezones. What really changes it is the season you're in

[agile roost]

Nah

[left nacelle]

And yeah, same here. For me (it's currently winter where I am) the sun starts to set around 4ish, which is the same as in game, but it gets light out waaaay before 7

The game also takes place near the equator I believe so that would also have an effect on things

[agile roost]

Also, what season is actually ingame?

Spring or summer?

[left nacelle]

We don't know, but it doesn't matter much since tropical regions don't really have seasons

Like they do, but there isn't much of a difference between them

[agile roost]

True

[left nacelle]

Since the equator almost always gets direct sunlight

[agile roost]

It wouldn't snow on a tropical island

[left nacelle]

Wet and dry seasons are a thing tho, and we know we're getting droughts in the future

[agile roost]

Very far future though

[left nacelle]

Probably not very far. it'll likely be added with weather which'll probably be this year. Plus all there is to droughts is making the water levels move

[agile roost]

Haha, I'm not so sure about it coming this year

Probably like 2 years or more

[left nacelle]

What?? But it's update 8 which is the update after next

[agile roost]

Because the updates are currently unbalanced, minimal and take too long.

[agile roost]

We have no proper news about update 7

[left nacelle]

But update times are objectively getting faster

[agile roost]

That's what they always say

[left nacelle]

The devs didn't say that. Lightclaw has a chart that automatically keeps track of the time between updates

[agile roost]

Ok

[left nacelle]

And accoridng to that chart, there's a noticable decline in the time between updates since update 3

[agile roost]

Where can I see the chart?

[left nacelle]

Plus all the core mechanics are in place so there isn't much left to make dino-wise

I don't have the exact google doc but I can get you an outdated image of it, hold on a sec

[agile roost]

Oh if it's outdated, don't bother

Not to sound rude

[left nacelle]

It's only outdated by like a month

This image was posted january 24th

[agile roost]

Ok

[left nacelle]

But the next couple updates don't have much to do with huge balance-altering mechanics so I could see them coming much faster than the previous ones

[agile roost]

They'll need to fix carnos hitbox

And apparently omni is perfectly balanced, so

[left nacelle]

Well balance is a thing that'll change every update, but my point is the main features of the updates shouldn't effect balance too much unlike previous updates

Elders might but that's it

[agile roost]

Right

When do you think troodon will be out? This year?

Perhaps cerato too, because I see it's been worked on

[left nacelle]

Well considering it's coming next update and QA has it, I'd say next month at the latest