general-feedback-discussion

[cyan flame]

Hm?

What about the devs now? :p

[sage yew]

you usually have a time span of 2-4 years to develop a game, but once a game is early acces it takes ages...

[cyan flame]

Honestly, there's nothing going on now that hasn't happened every single patch before. Much as people might feel that it's worse now, it does not seem that way honestly.

[sage yew]

wouldn't say that either, unless they don't provide some hotfixes in the near future, there is a lot of improvement, but the broken parts are making the whole experience just horrible

[cyan flame]

Have to ask, are we talking about Isle here or did you mean something else?

[sage yew]

The Isle will have won me over when latch biting becomes a thing, like this phasing in and out or this LMB spam is so... early access

[cyan flame]

Considering how pounce tends to work out, you sure they should attempt something like that? :p

[sage yew]

...don't do this to me...!

[lapis swallow]

That would be horrible

It would either look very bad or work very bad, realistically

Magnetic rex bite 💀

It sounds good on paper, but a nightmare to code (I imagine)

[jovial scaffold]

is the update out for everyone yet?

[lapis swallow]

Yes

It has been out for two weeks lol

[sage yew]

you need to select evrima under updates

[sage yew]

adding to the topic of latch biting, at least the artworks are suggesting such a feature
https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/steamcommunity/public/images/clans//10915315/f2720a65c3b0d8da6e195333f66c18f56d1940b6.jpg

[jovial scaffold]

why are the graphics so bad? i have everything set on high

[sage yew]

depends on what you define as good or bad, graphics are not ground braking, but shouldn't look bad either

[jovial scaffold]

the settings are exactly the same as the previoud update

the graphics look like its all on the lowest settings

[sage yew]

can you give us a screenshot?

[jovial scaffold]

im not on my comp right now

[sage yew]

maybe deleting config file could help

[jovial scaffold]

i might need to redownload or something idk

[sage yew]

#🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 could help you with this

oh and there is some weird shinanigans going on while entering and exiting the menu, setting down AA and putting it back up helps me with this weird behaviour

[true haven]

tbh pounce doesn't look as good or work as flawlessly. to make the whole experience better they need to make a dynamic locomotion for the whole dinosaurs. currently it just another bunch of animation sequence, i'd imagine if they finally able to make the whole dinosaurs dynamically adapt to the situation (physics based) just like in any rockstar games. but again, it is too much work and we can only hope 😉

[drifting rose]

@fierce lintel wdym denerf deinos water?

[fierce lintel]

they nerfed deinos water drain so it drains faster

[drifting rose]

so u mean buff deinos thirst pool

[fierce lintel]

yes

[drifting rose]

well theres no reason for beach deino either way all thats out there are turtles and crabs and the occasional pachy or crab and rarely any carnivores so theres nothing on the beach for deino other than AI

[sage yew]

how do real crocs actually handle such an environment?

[fleet wasp]

Besides the fact that sea turtle and crab are on a deino's diet currently...
Hopefully the inaccessibility to those two factors of the diet are addressed in Gateway. :)

[drifting rose]

i feel like they should be removed for the time being until they allow deino to live in saltwater because its rare any deino will go to the beach for nutirents they can get main land

[fleet wasp]

Yeah, something needs to be done there. Either remove from diet or work on the water drain in saltwater.

[fierce lintel]

a perk that lets deino drink saltwater (not afk drink) might be cool

[gaunt canopy]

💯this needs to be in game this would be amazing if deinos can drink salt water

[fierce lintel]

i mean like i think salties irl can do that

wait isnt deino a gator

[limber hull]

it is a gator, but we can stretch the imagination here tbh, all of the Isle's dinosaurs are genetically malleable at best

[dense hull]

put a way for crocs and stuff to get off the beach would be great

[chilly ermine]

@narrow nova starving mechanic might be part of the story lore

[narrow nova]

It just feels a little ridiculous

Look,I'm so fat,like a football,and I starve to death

[chilly ermine]

I'm pretty sure it was that way before the last update

https://tenor.com/view/why-elsa-dutton-isabel-may-1883-tell-me-the-reason-gif-24741916

welcome to the isle

[sly badger]

Even tho there’s no such thing as an herbivore apex- stegos would technically be that equivalent, stegos and deinos are both Tier 4 dinosaurs of their respective dietary classes… you can kill Stego as a Deino with well timed and executed alt bites to their heads. I’ve definitely killed stegos before as omni, carno and deino- it’s possible and it depends on the skill level of the player and their understanding of combat and locational damage etc. as a Stego I’ve also been killed by deinos once or twice. It’s not as hard or uncommon as a lot of people think.

They also literally have a disclaimer that the isle is a work in progress that is always updating and progressing so it shouldn’t be much of a surprise that things are updating and changing/progressing either.

Also if we want to be realistic to irl- deinos or even Carnos didn’t really prey on stegos anyway. Allos and Ceras were the ones that mainly hunted down stegos.

[sharp flower]

@stiff storm
Concerning: #general-feedback message
How can these pictures look better than EVRIMA? WTF

[stiff storm]

They are legacy photos.

[lapis swallow]

That is the issue for sh*tposter

[agile roost]

#general-feedback message
Reptiles don't get skinny like mammals do

I've actually suggested a similar feedback and apparently reptiles can't get skinny like I thought

[gentle flint]

They absolutely can get skinny. Not to the same extent, but looking up “underweight reptiles” shows you some good examples.

[smoky spire]

anyone have the bug where you don't have eyes?

[agile roost]

It just gives up skinny species of replies, not underweight ones, also I'm literally saying that they don't get skinny as humans of other mammals do

[uneven mist]

As deino?

[smoky spire]

all dinos

[uneven mist]

Hmm interesting, try this, this may fix the issue #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 message

[gentle flint]

They very much can though is what I’m saying. You can’t see it at first, the biggest indicator will be the hip bones as they start to protrude. The base of the tail will be thicker as weight drops from the rest of the body and it may look “out of place”. From there it’ll go to the face as the muscles around the head start wasting away from malnourishment and the vertebra will protrude as well. They have the same wasting capabilities as other creatures, the difference being often that you can’t exactly see the ribs on most reptiles.

It’s also hard to see through pictures because the human eye on a still image has trouble differentiating between the ridges of the scales and whatnot, but I can assure you if you hold one in your hand you can definitely tell the difference

“Emaciated alligator” would be a good search, that gives really good examples of a skinny but larger reptile ^^

[smoky spire]

just broke my game doing that lol reinstalling now

[uneven mist]

Oh

[tribal heart]

anyone knows how to get rid of this stupid sound bug as deino? - its like someone is skiing in my ears all the time after eating some prey on land....anyone?

[sage yew]

#🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[uneven mist]

@maiden anvil so are you saying it could bully off mid tiers like allo and Alberto off a corpse? Just wondering

[maiden anvil]

Yeah why not

Are you going to dislike now?

[uneven mist]

Well a solo cera I don’t see that but in a group up to 2-3 (mostly 3 I’d imagine) then I would agree yeah

[uneven mist]

No, not really

[maiden anvil]

Yeah it would make more sense if a group could bully off something like Allo or Alberto

Not a solo one

[uneven mist]

Yeah, solo id see cera being able to bully off a carno but with more like 3 they can then bully off a brute like Alberto but it also depends on cerato weight and abilities (mostly abilities) I’d say too

But also cera and carno I also see as “50/50”

[maiden anvil]

That is what my feedback is for. So it is a strong enough to follow up to its nature. If cerato is equal in combat vs a carno then it won’t be confident enough to challenge one for food

[uneven mist]

Ye, I’d also see cera and carnos matchup depending on where they are like carno would have the advantage in the matchup in the open fields like the plains since that’s where it’s the best at and cera having the advantage in thight areas like jungle where it uses its agility and ability to overpower carno

[limber hull]

that's most absolutely not happening, but i like the idea of a brutal strong, yet small cera

cera really should not be scaring off midtiers tho

[maiden anvil]

Fine. I’m okay with that

I mean we will have stuff like Acro to scare off midteirs

[hallow marten]

@gray pendant Today at 15:06
Implement an anti-cheat system that actually stops cheaters from cheating.

Impossible. Like making a government system that is unhackable? Yet always hacked at some point. Nothing can be 100 percent proof, as then the code wouldn't function properly. Best you can do is make a system that detects the most common used software, injections, cmds etc.
There will always be someone who looks to find the shortcut to things in life, regardless of consequences.

[gray pendant]

Oh, then why do other games manage cheating much better than Isle?

I get your point, but the dev team still needs to do something about the blatant cheating in their official servers. Their admins are not nearly active enough for the report system you suggested, and what about the 99.9% of the time when you don’t know the name or any information of the person you’re wanting to report?

Even with the old replay system with names etc, you’d need active admins to issue bans which in its self is very, very time consuming.

Best fix? A better anti cheat system, since better admins seems unlikely

[hallow marten]

Well bigger companies have better resources to employ admins and more staff to work on "anti cheat software".
The admins here are volunteers and not required to sit and monitor servers or players 24/7 - not getting paid.
The too low amount of admins present, could be a valid point to argue, but again.. it depends on who wants to volunteer for the job.
I see 3 online right now, and they have to monitor roughly 20 servers with 100 in each. Not to mention a billion pings that half the time are just unstuck requests, that people eventually get out themselves.

I also get your point though, and as frustrating as it may be - I see no real resolution.
Have a look at CSGO, tons of cheaters despite their "overwatch" program, anticheat software and lots of employees.
Rockstar (GTA) Online, is flooded with cheaters or players using mod menus.
EA games.. same deal.

The best result I have seen so far, is smaller community run servers where dedicated individuals monitor the server on shifts.
Ergo: Software that detects something, that pings an admin for action > actual human.

I have been an admin myself, and it's quite time consuming plus demanding - especially if you don't get paid.
Access the server where the cheater is active, identify the individual, spectate, document and execute consequence (ban/kick etc)
If it's non-active, you have to review video material, match time and date on server and perhaps have a second set of eyes to validate before issuing ban.
This can literally take hours, depending on what type of game and procedures. (your tools available)

In conclusion, unless The Isle finds a way to finance having more administrators or paid their current volunteers - I don't see this can be resolved.
But hey, I get your frustration. Cheaters are an incredible nuisance, hence why I have actively done my part in catching them in the past.
It seems as if whatever we do, they always find a way. Just like the criminals in the real world, disregarding laws and consequences. :/
The report system I suggested are more or less just a slight improvement to current, isolating the topic in one area instead of cheater reports float in all kinds of channels.
Also gives the admin a better overview with more details to consider than just a random texts based ping.

• The reporting player feels he/she is being taken more seriously.

[urban flax]

@dense hull Regarding 2 of your suggestions, if you want to play with friends maybe you shouldn't play deino

[dense hull]

@urban flax at the end of the day its a game and we are humans controlling them so packs are going to form regardless and i see them with everyone also Dinos formed packs as a defense from predators also you want to promote community play and if you cant play with your friends you lose people who will get bored of having nothing else to do

[dire ridge]

Agreed, its like wanting to play with 5 friends coop in a hunt showdown match in the same lobby and ruinning the experience for the rest of the players in the match

[urban flax]

You can play with your friends
But not as the one dino that is designed to be alone during its entire life

[dire ridge]

Solo or duo*

[dense hull]

i get its a dino game but we are smarter then dinos and people are naturally going to want to group to fill the times of boredom that's why you have packs on packs of dinos roaming together you cant build a game of the bases of its a dino you have to build it on the bases of these are still people who will make choices like people

[urban flax]

Yes
That's why you can play other dinos with higher group limits

[dense hull]

im not saying make it like a group of 10 but i think 4 min is about the size of what groups are in this game currently

[urban flax]

Deino's group is limited to 2 in order to discourage them to form megapacks
Because the playable isn't designed for group play, and a single one is OP enough as it is

[dense hull]

that dose not work tho because u can see it daily and the nesting feature that naturally puts you over the 2 limit

[urban flax]

Nesting has special mechanics that allows to temporarily exceed the group limit
And even if you see deinos megapack commonly, that's not a reason to encourage it

[stiff karma]

The guy has a point though, deino's are regularly forming large packs regardless of the 2-person limit. Players that want to group up and form packs will always do so, regardless of arbitrary game limits.

[urban flax]

But then there is no need to increase said limit

[dense hull]

but heres the thing u can discourage it all you like but at the end of the day its how we as humans are we need interaction and communication especially in a game that takes hours to grow

[urban flax]

If people can circumvent it that easily

[stiff karma]

It also does not do what it's stated purpose is, it does not prevent packs of deino

[dense hull]

its just a simplification to make grouping with friends an easier endeavor in the end packs of 4 are not mega packs but theres no real way to stop it from happening because if you start moderating like that people will leave

[urban flax]

For me the mechanic is more of a discouragement, or guideline
You can technically megapack, but since you're not supposed to, it's not ideal to do so

I agree it's not the best

[stiff karma]

Cannibilism is perhaps a better mechanic to discourage random grouping (won't stop friend grouping), but the food source of elite fish is too plentiful to force them to cannibilise

[dense hull]

but theres zero benefit not to is the thing

[urban flax]

But I don't think it's a good thing to increase deinos group limit either

[dense hull]

i mean just eating fish u lose 15-20% growth

maybe making a system that improves your growth rate by being solo or not near your same species might be a better counter

or they could make it so if there are more dinos there less food spawns

[stiff karma]

more types of dinosaur would lessen group sizes and megapacks, increase competition and threats

[urban flax]

True
I think that's the better solution

[stiff karma]

certainly in the long term

[dense hull]

ya that will definitely help because atm the selection is just to small to be competitive

[stiff karma]

it would likely take a long time before we see a healthy selection of dinos, so there is still room for a short term solution

[dense hull]

i mean not really they could just port them over because all the same coding is in the other servers so they have all the code for them all

[stiff karma]

I don't think it's anywhere near that simple

[dense hull]

this is downloaded on top of the base game so the means the other dinos code is already in here

[stiff karma]

they have very different quality standards now for Evrima, from what I've seen

[dense hull]

i mean not really just putting in diet masseurs is the only real change i can tell dino wise

i mean look at the utahs most of their dont actually do anything anyways

[stiff karma]

my understanding was that Evrima was essentially rebuilt from the ground up, due to the spaghetti code of legacy making development more difficult

[dense hull]

thats not possible tho because we downloaded this on top of what is base

[stiff karma]

that's not really how Steam works

When I updated from Legacy to Evrima, it was a 30gb update process, that's pretty much the entire game files

[dense hull]

steam counts this as like a patch or dlc

[stiff karma]

sure, but those can be 100% different files

it's a seperate build on steam, which means it's an entirely unique folder of files

that could be anything, including being essentially an entirely different game

think about it this way, as a Steam update they could delete 100% of the changes they made to Legacy, and add 100% of Evrima, and it would still be a patch, despite none of the original Legacy files still remaining

It's like the Ship of Theseus, if you're familiar. They can change every single part of the ship one by one, until no original parts remain, and it's still the same ship

[urban flax]

Not how that works, evrima and Legacy are 2 different games

[dense hull]

it might replace alot of the files but the base is still their and alot of the coding for the dinos are still in the files

[urban flax]

The code isn't the same

[stiff karma]

a simpler example is an Axe, you can replace the handle with an entirely different Handle, then later replace the Axe head with an entirely different axe head, it's essentially the same axe, but nothing of the original remains

[dense hull]

ill be honest with the small dev team i highly doubt they removed all the coding when updating it would be much simpler

[stiff karma]

It's very common to entirely refactor old code, and simplify your codebase to get rid of the spaghetti code that was difficult to modify

[urban flax]

They remade it from scratch

Dondi showed in an old stream what happens if you import a legacy dino into evrima, it's broken

[stiff karma]

It's likely that they selectively ported over the code they knew they still needed or was well made, foundational stuff

You also learn a lot from the previous project that makes rebuilding it a lot faster, you can skip a lot of the trial and error of the first attempt

Developers around the world have experienced this at some point, maybe a hard drive failure, or the IDE crashes and you lose a lot of unsaved progress., But even though it took hundreds of hours to get that far the first time, it would take a fraction of that to rebuild it, because you know how to do it now. Like a speedrun of a game you've played before.

[dense hull]

its faster to make corrections to existing code especially when they all do similar

[stiff karma]

Not always true

rarely true even

[urban flax]

But it's not the same, just look at how the dinos move and behave in the two games
Their stats
The mechanics

The only thing they don't need to redo are the models
And they're redoing it anyway because most old ones are subpar quality

[stiff karma]

Over time, especially early in your career, you create a lot of shitty code, or rather code that can't yet consider all the problems you'll face in the future. Once a project matures, you find that you encountered so many unexpected issues, and put in place so many temporary fixes, that the code is an absolute mess. It's sometimes called "spaghetti code", but the more accurate term is Technical Debt, and it happens in every single project, every game, regardless of competence.

[dense hull]

im aware of it and they move and behave incredibly similar minus ev trying to be more of a dino simulator with human additions

[urban flax]

They don't at all
In Legacy there isn't even such a thing as turning animations

[stiff karma]

@barren zephyr In addition to your suggestion, it might also be a good idea to give debuffs to dinosaurs that are meant to be solo if they group or hang around with others of their own species, rather than either bonuses or no effect.

[dense hull]

ya but thats just animation adjustments why rewrite the book when u can add and remove some lines not saying they can do it for everything but you can definitely tell alot has been pulled and placed

[stiff karma]

Extremely social: Buffs that scale based on size of group
Partially social: Small buff when in small group or pairs
Partially antisocial: Small debuff when in small group or pairs
Extremely antisocial: Debuffs that scale based on size of group

maybe something like that, more of a spectrum

[lapis swallow]

I think it would be better if we gave solitary animals abilities and playstyles that support solo or duo play instead of just bebuffing them when they are in groups

[dense hull]

only problem with any type of controls atm is they are developing humans to put into the frey and that means machine guns

[stiff karma]

There has to be clear disadvantages to players ignoring the roleplay and forming large groups of solitary dinosaurs

[dense hull]

if theres one thing us as people are good at is killing things and make them go bye bye

[stiff karma]

group limits are already insufficient at preventing friends from playing as groups anyway, so there should probably be some mechanical disadvantage

[dense hull]

ya i was a little confused that they are trying for a failed Jurassic park type deal

[lapis swallow]

I think humans can be good for the game if they make them balanced. And remember, its still just a human. One sneak attack with basically any playable and its a goner, no matter the gun

[dense hull]

because that would make us genetically modified and then all of our normal behavior's are not a thing anymore

[urban flax]

Yes it's always been a lore canon that dinos are genetically modified

And it's part of the reason why they have human behaviors

Although a lot of the lore that made so it made sense for dinos to behave like humans has been scrapped... Not sure how it'll be replaced

[lapis swallow]

How about we give solitary species a niche that only supports solo/duo gameplay? We could take rex for example (I doubt it will be a group animal). I believe that its need for food will just make it unpossible for it to form larger groups and its way harder for big groups of ambush hunters to actually ambush something. Big groups should be disabled by the need of food and how the specific species works, not by a mechanic.

Rust does not have human controlled monsters roaming around that are faster and stronger than you

Humans are not gonna destroy the gameloop, but enhance it

[dense hull]

can we all agree cant wait to eat some people who just wanted a drink

oh they could make degrading zones so the more thats been eaten and used up there it forces people to move to new locations and can lower group sizes in an area

[sage yew]

@narrow nova Starvation should be a part of the game, as always being on the brink of becoming extinct (again) is a huge motivation to pursue specific goals, like surviving, but also to manage resources (calorie intake) in relation to risk factors, while trying to obtain them.

stomach content could have positive and negative impact on stamina, specifically actually relate to it. As calories convert into energy, but also body fats can keep you alive for a long period of time. In example of cold blooded animals like crocs, for a very, very long time. While warm blooded animals tend to be way more resource intensive.

Being perfectly well fed becomes mundane pretty fast and boredom leads to "creative" ways, to fill the gap of entertainment by seeking not actually needed conflicts or simple things like trolling, as nothing really matters, but your own fun you are able to gain from those artificially created engagements.

The visual feedback you could get, from malnutritioned body characteristics, will tell you a whole story of someone who you want to fight, or better stay away, as it could represent how good you are, at what you are actually doing in this world.

[sharp flower]

@icy lion cmon it was just a joke.
It was done before:

https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/t9yw6m/discord_told_us_to_go_touch_grass/

[icy lion]

It's flamebait

[sharp flower]

I have no idea what that means. We don’t have this here in the beautiful Landkreis Breisgau Hochschwarzwald.

[icy lion]

It's something that's said for no reason other than starting an argument

[sharp flower]

Alright, It was just a joke. No bad intent.

[static pine]

will the isle ever make their growth time faster or they dont care?

[tall hearth]

Growth times are faster now than they were before. Also, games shouldnt be balanced around if people work or not. That's more a you thing than a game thing. Sorry you gotta work a lot tho, but that's adult life

[static pine]

🥸

nah cuz 10 hours too much

[urban flax]

No playable grows in 10 hours

[static pine]

stego?

[urban flax]

Stego is 5 hours

[static pine]

if you have perfect diet

[tall hearth]

Which you should be going for

[static pine]

btw in my opinion 5 hours too long i play for fun and die to a croc in a sec

[urban flax]

Perfect diet is a +30% bonus now

[tall hearth]

That's kinda the goal growing

[static pine]

ik

[tall hearth]

Skill issue tbh

[urban flax]

Which means it's 7 hours if you have 0 diet, which the only way to obtain is by not playing the game at all

[static pine]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerd-emoji-avalon-play-avalon-gif-24241051

[sage yew]

actually +50%

[tall hearth]

Lmao ok

[urban flax]

7.5 hours then
My initial calculation was bad anyway

But is it still 5 hours with perfect diet anyway ?

I thought devs said you would be able to grow a little bit quicker now

[sage yew]

but it's not like this game only starts after hours of waiting.

[urban flax]

True, with the new growth curve you're not useless until 90% anymore

[tall hearth]

If you're not having fun with a big dino maybe play something smaller and faster to grow. Literally it.

Or, find a community server that gives free grows or whatever.

[sage yew]

well, you ware never useless, but it's easier for now

[tall hearth]

Balancing a game around if people work or not isnt a good idea

[sage yew]

I'm not getting what you mean

[tall hearth]

The game should be balanced around itself. Not reducing growth times cause some people have work schedules with limited free time.

I have work with limited free time but I'm not suggesting reducing grow times globally because of it

I just play dinos that grow faster

[sage yew]

agree, and you don't have to go for it in one playthrough, as progress is saved

[tall hearth]

Facts

[sage yew]

growth should be the interesting part, as an full grown adult the gameplay basically ends where you go for random killing out of boredom

[sharp flower]

Balancing a game around healthy screen time is.

[uneven mist]

You don’t have to grow in one sitting, you can in multiple or play something that grows faster

[sharp flower]

Growing something like a stego isn’t simply a thing of 5 hours. That doesn’t add the time I get spottet and killed and basically reset. On average, even with perfect diet, it will take more than 6 hours. Maybe even more than 7.
And until you are 60-90% grown, you are just hiding. Only after 90% you can participate in combat, nest, etc. It’s just not rewarding.

[sage yew]

that's basically the game you are playing and "participation in combat" is a weak goal. Other games are way better in delivering this

not to mention that you can always participate in combat, only your opponent selection is limited

[sharp flower]

It’s still a weird thing, that in some instances I will only grow a stego to adulthood in a month. At this point I am not even playing this game anymore, imagine growing a teno for 2 hours, just to get killed by some pachys. Who believes this to be a good entertaining gameplay? Or you die to some cliff, after hours of growing.
I can’t be the only one. There must be others that had this experience at least once. And shorter growing times would definitely help to cope.

[sage yew]

"Who believes this to be a good entertaining gameplay?"
probably not so many people, unless you treat the current state as a battle royal. It's basically a MVP game right now with no gameplay mechanics in work to provide anything remarkable, but fighting in turning games and LMB spam

just don't focus on growth so much, do your thing and enjoy it as much as you can and it's not that bad

[weak dune]

Honestly I've never once had a problem growing stego to full adult. Pick an isolated area of the map where most carnis don't go (i.e. anywhere not center or nw plains basically), don't constantly spam 1-call like baby stego players always do for some dumb reason, fill up on food and nutrients, and then squat in a bush and watch some videos or go do some chores for 30 min, refill food and water, squat in bush again That's what I do when all I want to do is raise a giant unstoppable murder machine to battle other players with

The fact that that's a legit gameplay loop strategy is its own problem of course, but I'm not going to waste 6+ useable hours of my life raising a virtual animal repeatedly while getting nothing else done. My time is more valuable than that. When I want to play something more actively involved that's prob gonna die anyway, I'll play something like omni or hypsi that doesn't have such a punishing growth time

[sharp flower]

That I agree with.

[sage yew]

If you die after 3 hours of gameplay, you had hopefully 3 hours of fun, no one cares at the end if you died at 30%, 60%, or 100%

[weak dune]

Ideally yes but not always the case

[sage yew]

sure, can be frustrating sometimes, but there is nothing more to gain from it. Beside being the biggest bully who kills most of other players that are trying to get there too

[sharp flower]

Those people are awful.

[tall hearth]

You are in control of your own screen time though. Playing something that requires 5 or so hours to get to adult is your choice. You chose the playable with a long grow time. If you wanted shorter screen times, either grow throughout a couple days or play something that requires much less time to hit adult. I enjoy playing deino, but because of work I have maybe 2 or 3 hours of free time after work and I spend some of it growing. I dont make it to adult in 1 play session, and that's fine. I just do it again the next day and so on. Sorry you have a life outside of a video game too but that's how life is and I dont think the balance of the entire game should be thrown into the trash cause some people work and dont have dedicated free time.

[sharp flower]

But there is no balance. Especially the herbivores are horribly underrepresented. Would it be that bad to reduce the time for a stego from 5 to 3 hours with perfect diet?

[tall hearth]

You also have the choice to join community servers that give out free grows.

[tall hearth]

Yes that's bad. You're not considering more of the roster is to be added in the future. The game is nowhere even close to being in a finished state. Over 50 total playables are expected to eventually come in the game.

Reducing grow time to 3 hours for stego means reducing grow times for everything. I don't support the devs adding that in officials, but once modding support comes to community servers I dont care what they do with grow times.

[sharp flower]

Ok. Fair enough. But I don’t see 50 playables to ever see the light of day with the development speed.

[proud coral]

To be fair, the current stage of the game's development we're in is one of the biggest since it's focusing on foundational stuff. So it's not surprising it's taking ages. especially with only 3 programmers and animators

[feral solstice]

Only 2 programmers

Remember, Foszor passed away unfortunately.

He was the third programmer afaik

[proud coral]

Amarok, dmIV, and Filipe are all programmers. Though Amarok focuses on AI, he can still do other stuff now and then.

[plush vault]

@sterile pivot it used to break into two halves, which was good, but for whatever reason they removed it

[hallow marten]

@opaque escarp "add server queue system" .. already added.

[opaque escarp]

doesnt work

[hallow marten]

It does, I have used it myself.

[sterile pivot]

Weird/Disappointing, probably one of the many bugs.

[plush vault]

Yeah, although considering it hasn't been fixed, because it's been like that since update 5, I think it was intentional

[plush vault]

It doesn't work anymore. I used it once or twice before update 6, but it doesn't work anymore

[hallow marten]

Confirmed to work less than 7 hours ago.

[plush vault]

Really? Dang. It never works for me

[sage yew]

To evrima? I don't see such a thing

[hallow marten]

Worked for me.. queue as 7/14.. then 3/10.. and boom got in.

Yep was in queue with others, worked..

[lapis swallow]

it has been added, its just difficult to get in. you need to have a server display 100/100 players and we all know how often that happens

[hallow marten]

Could be server, IP, routing....no clue. WORKS for some, not for others...:S

[burnt bone]

@lapis swallow posted the idea now

[lapis swallow]

already liked it

[burnt bone]

ty, now to hope they add stuff like that when humans are fleshed out more

[lapis swallow]

me too

[feral solstice]

Ah, fair enough. But I still consider Amarok as an “AI programmer”, not a full-fledged programmer like Filipe or Adam.

[proud coral]

That's fair, I do too 😛

[sage yew]

I don't want to underestimate anyone, but is it even possible for evrime to live up to it's expectations? So far it seems really concerning.

[proud coral]

[feral solstice]

We’ll see after U7.

Really hard to tell if our expectations were met if we don’t have a complete gameplay loop with progression.

After U7 when the “gameplay” is mostly complete will give us a better idea.

[sage yew]

now that I see it, it's a pretty stupid question and that's possibly the best answer

[feral solstice]

Once we get U7, that’s when we can figure out if the game is “complete” and “functional”, and also we’ll be able to tell if we got our moneys worth.

[proud coral]

It definitely feels sluggish right now, but we just gotta get the big foundations out of the way first. as much as some hate to hear that

[feral solstice]

So yeah.

I consider The Isle pretty much “complete” gameplay-wise once we get to U7.

Everything after that is just extensions to the gameplay.

[sage yew]

what does "complete" include?

[feral solstice]

Basically a connected loop.

Everything is connected and there’s no loose ends to the gameplay.

[sage yew]

and what is it supposed to be?

[feral solstice]

Since nesting for example ties into perks, that means it’s not a complete gameplay mechanic until U7.

Diets and perks (unfortunately) tie into elders, thus, diets are still not complete.

So essentially the gameplay will not be complete until U7.

[sage yew]

to be honest, I still can't really grasp it
but maybe it's just what it is

let's wait I guess

especially the elders part

[proud coral]

A good way to think of it is gameplay having a beginning, middle, end, repeat. Elders for instance are the endgoal. So without them, you just reach adult and.....that's it. There's nothing else to strive for.

[sage yew]

as far as I understand it, elders are just adults with extra steps

[feral solstice]

That’s kinda the point

You’re a stronger adult but eventually begin to “feel” the effects of old age and lose your stats and become weaker until you die of old age.

[proud coral]

Elders from what we've been told you have to opt into. Once you do, you slowly grow in power until you're stronger than the average adult of your species.

Afterwards though, you weaken until you're weaker than the average adult and, if you complete the cycle naturally, you can gain an elder perk that is applied to post-lives.

[lapis swallow]

No, elders are gonna have a natural death and if you manage to grow a elder and it dies peacefully of old age, you will get perks (as far as I understood it).

[feral solstice]

And your goal is to.. we’ll. Die of old age. Nothing more nothing less. Once you die of old age, you gain rewards (progression). However, you must die of old age and nothing else. If something kills you, you lose the reward.

[proud coral]

The whole opt in thing though I'm a bit confused about now. It's always been said to be optional, but I remember in a Gateway stream, Dondi worded it to kinda sound like dying of age is optional, but you will naturally become an elder regardless.

May be wrong though.

[lapis swallow]

Forced elders would be cool

[feral solstice]

Dondi said “you can’t escape old age” which implies forced elders.

[proud coral]

It's mixed for me kinda

[sage yew]

hm, I thought a bigger emphasis on nesting would be more helpful
like you get +1 boni after each successful generation

Getting to adulthood, finding a partner and then rising your offspring would get some meaning

[feral solstice]

However I disagree with forced elders since you’re forcing someone to become powerful and then weaker without earning it. Not to mention, you could earn all of the rewards and then elders are basically meaningless.

[proud coral]

On one hand, it could definitely be interesting and makes sense

On the other, it could also feel like you're being punished for surviving, an example Punch literally used when asked about forced elders. "Congratulations! You've survived! Get weaker and become useless until you choose to die and lose all your progress."

Though this is all speculation of course. Could be pretty cool if done right.

[feral solstice]

I like the idea of elders not having diet or perk requirements, but a checklist with nesting a hatchling and raising it to 25-50% growth on the checklist.

To encourage more nesting usage

[proud coral]

I'd rather not rely on other players to make my dino grow older pls ;o;

[lapis swallow]

I would really dislike the idea of my game sucess being partly dependant on the hatched players skill to survive

[proud coral]

^

[feral solstice]

That’s kind of the point. You’re the one raising your hatchlings, and it can even be until 25% to check it off.

And it’s not exactly hard to do so either

[lapis swallow]

It can be with apexes n stuff

[feral solstice]

Once that’s checked off, that’s all you have to do for nesting.
ideally they’d also add a server check so it’ll still check off even while you’re logged off

[lapis swallow]

Lmao

[tawdry oyster]

@static pine The reason it takes a long time to grow is cause it would be too easy. Some dinos take shorter to grow and some take longer. Like for example a Stego will take longer cause once it’s adult it’s a tank, sure you may end up in a mouth of a deino when you’re young, but as an adult deinos wouldn’t dare attack you. Or when you grow a Ptera it’s faster (too fast for Ptera imo) because it’s not strong as an adult and it’s a smaller.

[sage yew]

@lethal trench maybe for humans

[lethal trench]

I see the text chat very harmful in combat and hunting situations where there is lack of communication. I see this especially for raptor groups where they need to hunt in packs regardless. I just feel it'd help make certain situations better to work around

[sage yew]

Out of this limitation emits some kind of autonomy where you actively react to your surroundings by observing what is happening. Animals don't have the ability of speech either and usually communicate in a very simple form. The chatbox is already extending communication pretty far.

Typing while walking should be possible tho
but listening to some cries because someone just lost his adult to a stupidly dumb happening would be a nightmare.

but maybe could voice chat work in an established group? Don't know if it's so great, but maybe

[lethal trench]

Its been a thought on my mind because I do see alot of people dying to some rather stupid situations where there was lack of communication. But I do understand if it couldn't work out.

The ability to keep moving while typing would be nice tho instead of stopping in your steps

[sage yew]

that's why I started paying attention when during feeding someone starts running, I usually do it too and it's funny when others react the same way just because someone was just too nervous

it feels really natural and has a nice flow

like scared cats and 5 seconds later after the panic wears off, everyone is munching again

[lethal trench]

Very true yea

[earnest plinth]

what organs give what nutrients

[eager parrot]

Hot take I think the growth times are perfect the way they are

Also I think carno needs a dinosaur thats actually fun to fight against

eg ceratosaur

[sleek shuttle]

idk about as of recent its been a sec since ive been able to really play, but I usually find utah and teno pretty fun assuming bleed isnt as big of an issue as it was before the update

[eager parrot]

Yeah man I love Utah and Teno thats what I play usually and the other smaller dinos but as carno I usually end up killing myself to play as a utah

After the last update it isnt to fun to fight carnos aswell

I cant pinpoint it exactly but I just dont really have fun playing carno, feels like theres not enough dinos to have a completely fair 1v1 match up against

[sleek shuttle]

nah this kinda off topic but I was fighting this one carno he just kept going for charges but he was magically hitting the tip of my tail each time bruh

he was so off too

[eager parrot]

Oh yeah thats the last update

They messed up the hitboxes

They need to do something about the hackers to lol

A lot of cheating pachys have wallhacks and just charge right into you while your in the middle of the forest

also the unlimited stamina cheat

[mighty cosmos]

I hope more than anything they just fix that. It was a great way to separate skill on both sides

[sleek shuttle]

nah this was like a couple hours ago

[lost plinth]

@burnt bone the idea of troodon exponentially multiplying is insane and i love it. Would create a rivarly of increasing security of weaponry vs finding a way to it and create a game of cat and mouse

[lucid robin]

they are already crap on land, deino shouldnt be even slower. nahhh

[silver blaze]

@kind perch you are misunderstanding something bite force does not correlate to having the strength to drag another multiton animal, no comments on the balance part of your feedback

[silver blaze]

@lost plinth older dinos picking up young is something people expect and ragdoll is not needed for it, what purpose do adding that to the game actually provide?

[kind perch]

wiki describes it as N

[silver blaze]

Yes newtons

[kind perch]

is that not the same as bite force

[silver blaze]

The measurement of force

Ok but listen

[kind perch]

tis the same measurement

ah well ya knew what i meant anyway

[silver blaze]

Read the end of my comment and yes it is the saame

[kind perch]

its not about bite force its about weight, being able to drag something

[uneven mist]

The isle wiki isn’t the best for reliable source

[silver blaze]

I domt have comment on the balance aspect because the game has not been fun to play for a while

[kind perch]

also true

[lost plinth]

It is insanely tedius to walk with younger members of your species as you trot, walk and sprint faster than them, forcing them to sprint after you while you stop every few meters. While picking up young is "expected" I don't think that is a feature we will see in a long time considering the devtime so far and ragdolling on command is an easy solution to bridge the gap until a proper grab is implemented.

[silver blaze]

Now I'm not paleontolgist so I dont know if deino would have had the strength to drag mutli ton dinos but there's a channel you can ask where people probably could give you an answer the paleotalk one

[kind perch]

mate as if an 8 ton dinosaur couldnt drag a 6 ton dino along the ground

[silver blaze]

This does not make very much sense there shouldn't be dev time wasted imo on a mechanic that's just a placeholder until the actually thing comes because then just work on the actual mechanic and ragdolling has no purpose

[kind perch]

even if u can only go in reverse, thatd be sick as

[silver blaze]

I believe people were talking about things like that before yeah where both sides could button mash or soemthing to try and pull the other

[silver blaze]

Again I don't know

[lost plinth]

Considering they already wasted dev time on the insanely ugly changes to lighting, Pteradactyl modelling/programming/animating/sound design, pushing doors based on weight, and probs some im forgetting- im sure it wouldnt cost too much time to write an "if" statement or two that makes the player's controls disable and the character to enter a ragdollstate like when grabbed by a Deino.

[kind perch]

tbh kenan got a point, they literally used time to make it so dinos with eyes on the sides of their heads couldnt see to their sides when eating and drinking

[silver blaze]

Ok a lot of that is more opinion based I wouldn't say pt was wasted time there was nothing else in it's niche but you have yet to tell me what the actual use of ragdolling would be

[lost plinth]

which i can almost guarantee took a lotta time bc the math to do that stuff is so dumb when it comes to games 💀 quaternions, euler angles, etc

[silver blaze]

Other than carrying babies because that's not a valid use that's itsown thing

[lost plinth]

I have. Grabbing young to keep up with the herd until they actually make it a thing in 2050, playing dead, allowing a friend to drag you if you get stuck somehow, etc

[silver blaze]

Yes the "realism" is a bit on and off for the worse a pot of the time

[silver blaze]

Being stuck is another thing where that just should be another solution for it and that doesn't make sense, grabbing your young AGAIN is not a valid use as that's its own thing on itself playing dead fair enough is it's only use but even then unlike irl players would prob just try to eat you then find out your alive

[lost plinth]

💀 oh boy

[silver blaze]

Want to give a valid argument rather than realizing that you don't have one and responding like that?

Pointless suggestion with no thought put into it as are 80% of them

[lost plinth]

I have given you reasons, just because you go "not valid!!!!" does not mean it is useless. Talking to you is like talking to a wall with paint drying

[silver blaze]

Because your arguments have no substance so you can't win the argument might be why it feels like that

And yes it's not valid for the third time because picking up babies is not ragdolling and it's something that is just expected so how can it be a use of ragdolling

Ragdolling servers little purpose other than playing dead like you mentioned but there's not much reason anyone would want to also you would have to appear with blood and wounds on you for that to be realistic

[lost plinth]

💀 they do have substance, you already conceded that playing dead could be useful. And again, grabbing young is so needed for the aformentioned reasons that you have to walk, stop, repeat so the youngin can catch up to you. You ragdoll when a Deino grabs you, when a pachy or carno rams you or when you get speared by a stego.
Ragdolling could also be used by having your friend play dead, dragging their body to lure someone into thinking you are dragging a dead body, then have them get up and make a 2v1 situation to any predator that tries to steal your "meal". We aren't getting proper grabbing for a long-[redacted] time so freely ragdolling would, again, be an awesome stop-gap. good lord.

[maiden anvil]

@fallen star I do see this a lot. In what ways do you want it nerfed?

[silver blaze]

And then in my most recent reply I said there's not much reason you would want to play dead and you would have to appear with wounds on you which well those don't magically appear

[silver blaze]

The baiting could be a good reason but you can already just do that with things you have killed also you talk about all this as if like a adult carno is gonna pulling along another adult carno? Haven't played the game in ain but that doesn't sound right to me and as much as you say it would be a great stop gap it's really just not important at all and just something you personally want which isn't a vital mechanic for the game

[limber hull]

@maiden anvil i will never agree with a concept for cerato that relies on it eating a rotten corpse to activate its most powerful abilities

turns it from a scavenger/corpse bully/brawler to just a glorified scavenger

why contest the fresh bodies when the rotten ones are better for you?

[maiden anvil]

Better nutrients when eating fresh corpses?

[limber hull]

then you make the "eats anything rot wagon" a functional nightmare to maintain, having to constantly make on the fly decisions about what it eats and when, the ultimate irony

essentially, cerato becomes an animal with 4 available nutrients, one of which no other animal has and directly impacts its gameplay, all of which it must juggle to avoid losing out on

[maiden anvil]

But do you have to dislike only due not liking one part of it? Of course, you do as you desire. I’m just asking

[limber hull]

could you imagine how hard it'd be to manage a cerato, when it only is at it's most viable when it's eaten food which meets very specific requirements

[limber hull]

yes, the "rot = sceptic bite" part is legitimately so unattractive to me that it overrides any positive feelings I may of had. I was going to upvote until I saw that

I want the "eat anything rot wagon" to actually eat anything

not have to be careful to manage how rotten food is, how many nutrients it provides and more

sceptic bite, if added, should be entirely unrelated to its diet

[urban flax]

Personnally I think septic bite in itself is kinda cringe
It's on the same level as magy tasting bad

Unless it's so strong it literally makes the other dino collapse in pain it's gonna be useless in a fight and just annoy the other guy after they won

[limber hull]

oh, absolutely agreed, but if it's going to be done, make it entirely unrelated to the diet of the animal. I already hate the discount venom as-is, having it be directly linked to your meals makes it even worse and less consistent

[maiden anvil]

I know I shouldn’t change my suggestion but I could remove that “having to eat something rotten to do it’s nasty bite” part

[urban flax]

While I agree annoyance could be a deterrent for picking a fight, as a cerato you'd want to still be alive after contesting a corpse

[limber hull]

if you're going to have sceptic bite, it should be more the cerato uses its own horrible micro-ecosystem of stomach bile to essentially snap down with thousands of tiny bacteria that survive in its iron gut

essentially, coating its teeth in disease

[urban flax]

Yes
Puking in its own mouth to get acidic bites

[limber hull]

considering the nature of cerato would make its stomach a breeding ground for some of the worst bacteria ever

[limber hull]

not acidic as much as sickening

[urban flax]

Realistically it would be acidic
Stomach acid is acid

[limber hull]

true, but that's not the main factor really

[maiden anvil]

I care too much of what people thinks of my ideas, I know. If I am to change it, would you change your dislike to a like? @limber hull

[urban flax]

But it'd lose its own tongue and probably a good part of its teeth doing so

[limber hull]

the bacteria that lurks within the gut of such an animal would be brutal if it entered the bloodstream of another animal

its own micro-ecosystem would be horrendous, filled with the most unsavoury bacteria imaginable

it's not just the rotten meat, it's the fact it can devour said rotten meat and somehow stomach it that proves its micro-biome is literally a fetid, disease-ridden hellscape

[maiden anvil]

I changed it anyways :>

[limber hull]

it's able to resist bacteria that would easily sicken a lesser animal

[lucid mauve]

I downvoted cus i saw charge up bite, if u think like pot. Looks horrible

[silver blaze]

Rather than "charge up bite" something along the lines of an attack with a longer animation than normal bite and more dmg or bleed obv that can be disrupted by your oponent ,would add more skill to combat as a mechanic that could be added to certain dinos

Just icreasing the risk but also the reward if you time it right rewarding the better player

[limber hull]

I'd rather the "charge up bite" we saw in the observational trailer should be the sceptic bite. It seems to throw up in its mouth before opening it, it should be the sceptic bite animation to display when it's ready to attack, and ward off predators/competitors

you can only trot while preparing the bite, and sceptic bite will cause you to get closer and closer to having rot sickness and throwing up

[maiden anvil]

Pretty much why I said “charge up”

Seems like some people doesn’t like my idea due to bacterial bite. Although, what do you all think about the rest? Anything you don’t agree with there?

[tawdry oyster]

@strange quiver The water being “crystal clear” kinda defeats the purpose of deinos having the element of surprise. Nobody will drink at the muddy ones cause it’s bad and you can’t see through it. Everyone would start drinking at the crystal clear ones only and Deinos won’t have the element of surprise like they always do. Plus there being big lakes away from the river system encourages people to drink at lakes only, meaning no food for deinos, then not having an element of surprise, and being an easy snack if you find one trying to migrate to a lake.

[strange quiver]

I moreso meant "crystal clear" as "fresh drinking water". It'd be the same pretty blue semi-clear water that gateway seems to have, whereas muddy water would be closer to the brown spiro has. Just bad wording on my part.

Not drinking at muddy water... Is the point, and I'm not sure where the criticism on the suggestion is going from there. You say nobody will drink at it, yet there's no food for deinos because people would drink at it.

It's not as if lakes would be particularly plentiful around the map, ideally one or two major lakes and a couple small ponds. There's no "drinking at crystal clear ones only" if it takes travel time to get between each, the river is a more reliable source of water overall, and there's no guarantee someone won't have emptied a lake by the time you get to one.

It's supposed to be risk vs reward: You're risking venturing out to a locale that might not have the resource you want, might be guarded by a player wanting to nest by it, etc. with the reward being a temporary "safe" drinking spot away from deinos that would only last as long as you can either protect it from other players or until your own needs deplete it.

In a way, it's not too different than corpses. You want to protect them for their resources, they'll eventually rot and go bad over time or run out, and you risk the change it might not even be where you're looking.

[tawdry oyster]

Ah, gotcha. Makes more sense now

[true haven]

rather make the faster flowing water safer then settling calm water if the case is river, but for lake it can be different

[lapis swallow]

@lime gulch you do realise that our omniraptor has nothing to do with utahraptor and thus utahraptor cant be taken for a realism argument. Omniraptor is the JP raptor, which packhunted, was fragile and very agile. Your argument is invalid, because this is no utahraptor

[lime gulch]

It doesn’t matter. The size and weight of this dinosaur is similar to that OF the Utah. They ARE similar despite the name change. Why should it be fragile? What’s the point of making like that

[lapis swallow]

It does matter, the omniraptor and the utahraptor have a very different build and niche

[uneven mist]

We are getting an accurate utah at some point but it also isn’t “fragile” it’s just fragile against things bigger than it

[lapis swallow]

And making it fragile makes sense because its a definition of a glass cannon

It hurts badly but cant take many hits

When the inertia bug is fixed, we will have the full mobility again and with that, omni is gonna be able to turn on a dime and bait out attacks like crazy

[lime gulch]

I’ll take your word for it, I guess I’m just used to it not being one shot by everything anymore.

[lapis swallow]

Ok

[urban flax]

Omni isn't fragile at all, it is even much tougher than it should be
It has 450 health, while dryo, a similar-sized animal, has only 120

[burnt bone]

Exactly, it kills 2 birds with 1 stone

[sage yew]

@slim halo to be fair, stomping is not very accurate and a trope of hollywood - I guess, as many predators of this kind seem to run on their toes. Expiratory sounds and cracking of sticks, branches or leaves and a mushing noise of the soil could be more pronounced to combat balance issues.

[sage yew]

Wait, weight equals health?

[cyan flame]

Yes

[uneven mist]

Yes

[sage yew]

That's... something food companies would come up with.

[cyan flame]

What?

[uneven mist]

What

[lapis swallow]

@sage yew can please explain your falling, tripping, stumbling idea further. Because I am curious how you would want it to work. your feedback seems kinda lacking of that

[sage yew]

McDonalds approves this idea

[lapis swallow]

thats just a simple and effective system. weight = hp. everybody understands this

[limber hull]

what???

[lapis swallow]

can somebody please tell damus to unblock me, because I asked him something about his idea of tripping n stuff?

[mental cradle]

How bad is my suggestion? It's really hard to jump up a tree being a hypsi, if this were added, the hypsi could finally become a real arboric dinosaur

[proud coral]

Climbing is actually already planned for Hypsi

[jagged jewel]

what did you mean by reptilian climb

herrera's climb is just normal climbing

and hypsi will be that with different animations

that's it

[proud coral]

I don't think Hypsi has been described climbing as well as Herrera

[jagged jewel]

not what i meant, i mostly meant the functionality

but if it feels comfortable enough to nest there, it means something

[mental cradle]

the herrera has strong claws, reptiles use claws to climb, well, most

[jagged jewel]

hypsi also has claws lol

[mental cradle]

And how will his way of climbing the trees be?

[mental cradle]

The truth is, I don't know if those claws could be attached to a tree, I see them as somewhat weak

[jagged jewel]

Look at the feet

[jagged jewel]

Just an animation that looks good lmao

Think of like a squirrel

[mental cradle]

how can i climb? kicking off with its hind legs or something

[jagged jewel]

just moving really quickly along the trees

kinda like a squirrel

[mental cradle]

https://youtu.be/z-a-XRjHLYQ

Does this mean that the hypsi can move like this?

I mean, the squirrel doing to avoid the dog

[jagged jewel]

I'm saying what I want it to move like, just slower

[mental cradle]

It would be funny if the hypsi moved like this, being a fairly small dino, his heart beats faster than most of the other dinos

[sharp flower]

@neat rivet
About: #general-feedback message
Why are people disliking this? The development speed is beyond slow.

[topaz cedar]

is it true as deino and you grab prey you cant put your camera under water????????

[rotund quarry]

A lot of people on here will defend The Isle at any cost, even to ignore all these blatant sources of imperfections and call them a liar while directly looking at said imperfections.

But yes, I agree, development is extremely slow.

[sage yew]

To not upset the devs. Especially in the harsh winter month where they seek warmth emitted by CPUs. You don't want to create any discomfort for them, as they could try to survive on something else, which would interrupt their natural cycle and probably lead to harm them.

[urban flax]

It's more so that this kind of feedback isn't really constructive or useful

[topaz cedar]

my feedback was constructive and i was banned from personal opinion

[sage yew]

But the desire is quite of understandable

[topaz cedar]

thats the problem with devs.. they dont want their feelings hurt

[urban flax]

I think we'd all like faster updates
But saying "update faster" in this channel, or any other, is beyond useless

[sage yew]

Either it's not possible to go any faster, or there is this assumption that they just don't want to, for whatever reason.

In any case, it won't help

[topaz cedar]

i heard they have all the models of dinos done they just want to realease them slow

[urban flax]

Game developers are like any human being
When they do something out of passion and trying to please thousands of people they need support more than they need complaints

[uneven mist]

What. That’s not true at all, why would they want to release things slowly and just because their “models” are done doesn’t mean everything is done

[topaz cedar]

yet you cant talk to them bc they are above you lmao

[sage yew]

Creating models is probably the easiest part of it all and has nothing to do with anything actually being ready

[urban flax]

Would any of you rather work day and night for people who love and encourage you, or do so for people who criticize everything you do and do nothing but complain ?

[topaz cedar]

in the loading screen you can see the spino??

[urban flax]

I do talk with devs when I have the occasion to
But usually there's so many people asking questions there isn't much you can say without gettint your messages buried

[uneven mist]

Yes from the hope “trailer” and like I said just because some models are done dosent mean their mechanics are done, their calls are done, all their animations are done and the testing is done

[topaz cedar]

imma be honest, they wouldnt get all this hate if they actually cared even youtubers say theyre too slow with updated and they break more than they fix in each update

[topaz cedar]

their model would have to be done to make that trailer

[sage yew]

uff, even utubers, if they say so, must be true

[uneven mist]

Model yes but not everything

[urban flax]

Are youtubers game developers ? Do they know what they're talking about ?
Because I do, me and my brother work in a very similar department

[tall hearth]

This dude slowly figuring out how game development goes?

[topaz cedar]

i mean doing reveiws on games an watching patch notes like a hawk i would hope so

[urban flax]

Dinos had animations specially tailored for the hope trailer
But not game animations

[uneven mist]

Nah cause the devs don’t care about us and just want to be slow for the sake of it

[urban flax]

You hope so

[tall hearth]

Bro cant believe they're so lazy smh my head

[topaz cedar]

fr

[tall hearth]

That was a joke chief lol

[topaz cedar]

6 months for an update to break more than they fixed

[uneven mist]

What did they “break” now I’m actually curious

[tall hearth]

Well when they have a small team theres bound to be bugs, plus they're on holiday break still I believe

[topaz cedar]

Added organ types to avoid cannibalism (uselsess)
Made chunks/organs not "teleport" when dropped from mouth(very broken)
Small performance improvements for Schooling fishes (broken) Made feeding impossible if hunger and thirst are 0% and the dino has no nutrients(why)

[uneven mist]

Games will always have bugs, there is no escaping em

[urban flax]

The organs weren't added to prevent cannibalism they're expanding on the diet system
Also they weren't there at all before the update so it's not something from before they've broken

[topaz cedar]

they have a test server stop using that as justice

[topaz cedar]

buddy thats copied from the patch notes

read em learn you sum

[uneven mist]

1. They didn’t do it to avoid cannibalism
2. “Small performance improvements for school fish”? What?
3. You can easily get food and water from ai and the organs
4. Also how are the school fish “broken”

[topaz cedar]

lmao read the patch notes

[uneven mist]

I have

[topaz cedar]

evidently you didnt that was copy pasted straight from their notes the only thing changed is in the ()

[topaz cedar]

go on steam and read all of it you look aimless

[uneven mist]

Like I said I have, you also said it’s “impossible to get feed if hunter and third is 0% and that Dino’s don’t have organs, it’s humans and ai that don’t have organs, every Dino has organs

[topaz cedar]

that is in their words my dude, not very specific then is it devs reall dont care huh lmao

[cyan flame]

I take that to mean you can't feed a hatchling, but I could obviously be wrong there.

[topaz cedar]

not sure i didnt leave anything out from the notes thats all that was there

[uneven mist]

Yeah I still don’t see it

[topaz cedar]

keep reading lol

[cyan flame]

Yes, I'm looking at that sentence. Just trying to clarify what I think that was about.

For the organ/cannibalism one, I think it was so you can't eat organs of your own kind either. I think at some point you could.

[topaz cedar]

gotcha, yea care with your feedback, mods will ban you for anything

[uneven mist]

Why should I do it when you are claiming that they said it? If you say that they did say those things then you should have facts to back them up

[topaz cedar]

erik found it. youre just blind and in denial

[uneven mist]

https://tenor.com/view/showme-show-me-morpheus-gif-5144220

[cyan flame]

In this case, he is right. Not his added notes, but the sentences are in the patch notes.

[uneven mist]

Oh ok then interesting, we’ll my bad then

[uneven mist]

Oh ok

[topaz cedar]

big oof

[uneven mist]

Yes

[topaz cedar]

now that were all on the same page yall can go to the devs and complain

why was this a thing?

[cyan flame]

Not sure what we should complain about though :p

[uneven mist]

But the cannibalism part could vary, if it’s for everyone or those that aren’t/are cannibals

[urban flax]

You didn't answer my previous question
Would you rather work all day for people who are encouraging and supportive, or for people who criticize everything you do and complain all the time ?

[cyan flame]

As in, why the change, or why could a lunged dino somehow be knocked down/staggered?

[topaz cedar]

well im guessing deinos can no longer stun steggos

[cyan flame]

That'd be incorrect, because they can. It says on lunged dinos, so I'm guessing it had something to do with how the lunged dino interacted with stuff or so.

[topaz cedar]

i did answer this, the devs are bad so the support is bad

[urban flax]

That's not an answer
I'm asking about you, not the devs

[dire ridge]

Im pretty sure it means that an omni eating another omni organ will get the muscle spasm just like it would by simply eating the actual corpse

[topaz cedar]

uh well when i go to work the quality represents me therefore id do my best, but chances are these devs work from home and are lazy

[urban flax]

Just answer the question

[topaz cedar]

perhaps, but here we are guessing instead of devs being clear and transparent

[topaz cedar]

bro honestly youre annoying

[uneven mist]

[urban flax]

I'm trying to make you understand what's wrong with your mindset
The fact you refuse to answer is the answer I was expecting.

[uneven mist]

Nah

[topaz cedar]

nah that was my bad replied to wrong person

[topaz cedar]

idk what you want, they have a test server to test things but still manage to trash an update after the test server.

[sage yew]

Wouldn't say they broke the game. One of the major problems of the survival genre is, that it is pretty new and many developers already tried, but failed at it.

While other games take somewhat of 2-4 years of development to be finished, they always have the benefit of looking on the gaming history of the past 40 years to figure out what works and what not. While the survival (multiplayer) genre just began 2011, with the creation of Dean 'rocket' Hall, DayZ.

Every aspekt of this genre, needs to be developed from scratch and there is barely anything you can relay on. Most of this Survival Genre drifted to battle royal as this is way easier to compose as bare bone Survival.

[topaz cedar]

i dont want to see anyone post "oh their team is small" well lmao look at (former) bungie they had like 12 people and made a legendary game the isle was scrapped and remade but im grateful for the little things like the little bit of game with the bug we got

[topaz cedar]

the only prob i have with this is the change things that dont need to be changed and make them worse

[sage yew]

But alot of times, you have to just try it out as a developer. It starts of with an idea, which will be scrapped multiple times and sometimes what comes out does not work, but to get there, you need to try it. That's why in some aspects, it's going back and forth

as a consumer you are left with little, to no progress, but the progress the developers made, is way bigger

at least, that's the idea

[lapis swallow]

can somebody tell me what the complaint is?

[uneven mist]

Something something “devs slow” or it started it with

[topaz cedar]

if this game was free id have no argument, but we paid for a functional game and so far all we got were bugs after bugs. so what people need to stop doing is defending developers, this is why gaming is so dry right now. all these other games are failing because of the lack of feedback. ive been banned from so many forums based on personal opinion. weather a mod didn't agree with what i wrote or whatever but i lost faith in devs i really lost respect too. overall we are the customers and they are supposed to provide us with what we want of course with the compromise of game balance. but the isle devs dont listen therefore the small community the have a majority don't like them

[sage yew]

you never paid for a functional game, you paid for a playable and somewhat enjoyable demo

nothing more, as a prove of concept

[lapis swallow]

the homescreen of evrima literally says that "this is a beta testing branch and you may experience bugs, glitches and performance issues". so that argument is invalid

[topaz cedar]

if you notice most game are unfinished. so really in that logic this game should have been free

[topaz cedar]

you missed the point

[sage yew]

and how do you fund an idea, which barely ever worked out so far?

[lapis swallow]

and the fact that devs are not listening to feedback is wrong. look at the people crying for carno buffs and look at carno now, lol

[cyan flame]

We do have a functional game though. Legacy is pretty functional, and has been for a while (after all, it's not like Evrima is what made this game popular). And far as I know, you don't get banned for voicing opinions, but rather how you voice them. There's polite and less polite ways to put a point forward after all.

[topaz cedar]

lol someone just told me yesterday the owner of this dev team dont pay the devs.. that its all volunteer work (i dont believe it)

[topaz cedar]

legacy dont count its going to be deleted

[feral solstice]

Welcome to the Isle community

[sage yew]

duno, but the worries, if based on facts or not, are understandable

[cyan flame]

More accurately, you paid for what you were offered at the time of purchase. Isn't that kind of how early access works. You like what you see, and you hopefully like the idea and potential, so you buy it with the understanding that things will change, and hopefully work out well. And if not, that you at least enjoy what you currently get.

[lapis swallow]

yeah, that is false information from the guy that told you this

[cyan flame]

But it is not deleted, so you still have it, and will have it, until Evrima has become just as good, if not better.

[topaz cedar]

im not mad about it the game looks great. im just pushing for a slow down on updates until the fix what they have then give us the updates we desperately need

[feral solstice]

The bot strikes again

[cyan flame]

Yes, the update times are quite slow, but they are working, and we are getting somewhere. Not as fast as we'd all like, but never the less, things are happening.

[sage yew]

fixing the current game, take resources of developing the actual game - never forget this

[cyan flame]

@feral solsticeBe polite!

[feral solstice]

I am.
Just not to the people who don’t deserve it 💀

[topaz cedar]

but i cant post much in here because my feedback id evidently controversial and lots of people are hellbent on defending devs that dont defend them lol

[cyan flame]

The bot clearly disagreed! :p

[sage yew]

Bot is annoying tho

[cyan flame]

As long as you provide your feedback properly, there should not be a problem far as I know.

[topaz cedar]

well like i said i didnt believe it, i try to think of the most logical things but i read the patch notes and my midset on these devs went out the window

[cyan flame]

It is yes, I've gotten muted too because I forgot that another word was bad xD

[topaz cedar]

nah mods are my nemesis lol they always over reach in power and ban me. im absolutely sure im not the only one tho

[lapis swallow]

people usually get banned for stuff that they should be banned for. there is some other stuff too, but the majority of the bans is fine

[sage yew]

the problem I see with feedback, that many people just complain about stuff with short term solutions and this can be pretty annoying while you try to work on more essential things on the long run

[topaz cedar]

ill use halo infinite for example. i posted that their new DMR was absolutely atrocious , had too much recoil and what not. then the mods started in and were like "theres nothing wrong with this game" yadayda and they removed my post and so i changed it a bit and put it back up. they removed it and banned my acount saying it was non constructive, and this was when halo first released. so now because i look at the game and its averaging 3-5 k players on steam and is in such a bad state. because feedback is not getting in. im banned too much for preety much nothing so now im careless bc i expect it anymore

[sage yew]

well, I stated few days ago that stegos tail clipping through objects and people started to defend it, like it's completely normal. Sometimes it is how it is. Everyone wants to see other aspects of the game finished first

[topaz cedar]

yea ill just record and bash the game since the dont want to listen to feedback

its petty but equally petty

[uneven mist]

Wait did people seriously defend stegos tail attack clipping through rocks and logs? If so why

[sage yew]

I really don't like the dynamics evolving from EA games. The best thing would be, if they just develop the game in the next years completely out of sight and behind curtains, but than again, how will you fund it

[lapis swallow]

I defend the hit itself. For context: it was a stego fighting a omni pack and the stego had the tail on the other side of the tree and a omni ran in from the other side and got smacked by it. The hit was fair ( it hit the raptor directly). I dislike the fact that stuff can clip, buts thats just hitboxes in evrima.

[uneven mist]

Yeah it’s the clipping that I have issue with, being up on a rock or hiding in a log and people can still kill them is what I dislike

[lapis swallow]

I just think that the tree clipping is stuff we are gonna have to live with, because I think it would be very difficult and time consuming to make model according, enviroment interacting hitboxes.

[uneven mist]

Ye

[sage yew]

just broken. But to fix such things constantly throughout development is probably a nightmare to do

but at some point should such things be done, as this behaviour is only tolerable in an EA game

but imagine the outcry, if Devs said they will focus on proper tail and body collision next. "no one needs such things, give dinos!"

[cyan flame]

I'm pretty sure they've said that they will fix it so you can't hit things through solid objects.

[lapis swallow]

good

[cyan flame]

Human hide in base, rex chomps through wall... xD

[lapis swallow]

maybe they could make that the animation still plays out and it just does no damage

or it just get s cancelled as soon as it hits a obstactle

[sage yew]

I remember ARK

[cyan flame]

Never played that.

[lapis swallow]

ark fixed that

[sage yew]

The Isle meets Minecraft and DayZ is the creepy uncle

[cyan flame]

I am aware of what Ark is, just never played it, so wouldn't understand any references to what has or has not happened in that game.

[sage yew]

That's fine I guess

[proud coral]

ARK is more fantastical "we know it makes no sense that's the fun of it" kinda dinos. 😛 Don't take it too seriously and just laugh at the T.Rex stuck in a rock (Though the lore of ARK is actually amazing.)

[pine sierra]

My favorite best game in this world

[sage yew]

But what about other worlds

[warm oar]

Good morning !
There are really 3 things that developers should do urgently :

• Add slots on servers (100 ---> 120)
• Improve the sound system to better hear carno coming and sound distances
• Improve the display of grass on the ground from afar so that you can set up ambushes etc.

Thank you 🙂

[neat rivet]

Maybe an unpopular opinion. I don’t think any dinosaurs should have extremely heavy sounding footsteps, especially carno. Given that realistically dinosaurs wouldn’t creat a loud stomping sound when walking or running.

[true haven]

but currently it is very quiet that nobody wouldn't even realize a carno is charging at them. Plus for balancing, i think it is required.

[lucid robin]

@tawdry oyster i think the screen should not go black, so that it's more of a thing that exists only for the sake of existing? like not EVERYTHING has to have perks or special stuff or buffs, sleeping should be there just to have another realistic animal-like emote

and I know lots of animals will sleep but still be very very aware of their surroundings, in ways like keeping one eye open; the screen not going black unless safelogging (aka going into a deeper sleep) would be a way to simulate this

[sage yew]

interesting, as "sleep" could heal faster, while being more vulnerable. Vision should still decrees with bluer and a vignette , by at least 50%.

Resting should be adjusted to this, as it faster to "get ready", but less efficient

[sage yew]

@true haven #general-feedback-discussion message

[neat rivet]

I agree

[sage yew]

agree on improving overall sound simulation

[neat rivet]

yes

I just dont want over the top stomping sounds

[sage yew]

in U5 it was really extremely ....stompy

[lucid robin]

honestly I mainly suggested sleeping without logging out or the black screen for screenshot purposes alright- i can almost never get good sleeping shots with the annoying number and screen darkness

[sage yew]

just screenshot others ;)

[lucid robin]

but i wanna use my skins / perspective sometimes

itd just be so much more realistic too, to be able to sleep without like poofing out of existence after a minute-

[sage yew]

could be a nice gimmick, but would disturb coherence, as anyone who approaches on you, can't tell if you are fully aware or not

[remote dock]

asking here instead lol
Whats the general debate on stego being op seeing as ita brought up in feedback a ton

[sage yew]

never felt overpowered to me, but mostly realistic. Only the lack of a detailed tail collision (only at the end are spices) and missing terrain collision makes it kind of weird to fight

[cyan flame]

Depends on who you ask, but in general you'd find that stego is not really op, not compared to deino, or compared to some of the others depending on what you value in the game.

But if you look at it from a survival standpoint, there are far more "op" playables, and if you look at overall advantages when comparing things, deino comes out on top compared to stego for their "tier".

[sage yew]

but water should debuff tail strike

[cyan flame]

So generally, I'd say the people claiming stego is "op" is mostly deinos who are unhappy that they have one less than ideal matchup in the game as it were.

[remote dock]

was about to say

[cyan flame]

I'm personally in favour of just making it so any terrestial standing in deep enough water to be affected has double stamina cost on attacks. That way you can also give semiaquatics a pass and let them be more effective even when "wading", and making them more dangerous vs deinos at that. (at least the ones that can fight it in the first place)

[remote dock]

literally typed a whole thing. Deinos getting bullied in there primary fight zone is really dumb in my opinion. And the hitting through obstactles is in my experiance ridiculous

ive been hit through rocks by a stego

[sage yew]

agree

[cyan flame]

To be fair, the deinos being bullied are basically biting the thagomizer hook with no bait, for no good reason aside from "I can't swim away and ignore the stego" :p

[remote dock]

I think a slight damage reduction when going through water should be a thing. Water from a realistic standpoint would slow the movement. And it prevents stegos from slamming deinos that are in the water

[cyan flame]

Possible, I just think it's not as ideal as limiting stamina personally. I'd rather things be capable of fighting, but just limited in how long their engagement can be, since they are out of their element there.

Also the new map will most likely help immensely, since the rivers are pretty wide now.

[sage yew]

no sane animal would attack crocs in the water and should be represented by game mechanics

[cyan flame]

So no more being "stuck" in a smaller area where you can't reasonably avoid things.

[remote dock]

stegs chase deinos into deeper water

[remote dock]

hence why i think this doesnt work. swim away is fine and all for big deinos. but with the current audio issues. stegs can easily bully smaller deinos that may come on land to eat there fish cause they dont swallow whole

overall i think there division needs more diversity tbh

i feel like that would make neither feel so op. like 1 apex more to each side so it doesnt feel like deino vs stego constantly

and then all the others just existing

[cyan flame]

That's more so an issue with fish not floating like it should I'd say :p

Also the audio yes. Though audio seems so weird right now. Servers all quiet.. xD

[sage yew]

just wait for it, at some point this will come

for now it seems it's already pretty hard to balance the current playables enough, to provide a fun gameplay. Putting more into it, would just result into a big mess

[remote dock]

yeah but i know its a problem. baby croc gameplay is hard because adult crocs are cannibal prone. so getting messed up by stegs because u have to eat on land feels insult to injury

[remote dock]

i have been snuck on by stegs and carnos so much recently

and its dead quite most of the time

[cyan flame]

To be fair, you're playing the closest thing to an apex, and are 99% immortal through most of your playstyle (aside from other deinos, and even bigger deinos can be escaped on land if you're smaller from what I know), you're kind of supposed to struggle and not reach adulthood most of the time to be honest.

[sage yew]

and you can mute foodsteps on omnis by walking slalom

[cyan flame]

You could also just grab a bite and eat that way. Yes, it takes a while and is a bother, but that way you remain in water.

[cyan flame]

Huh, never heard of that :p

[remote dock]

no i totally get tjat. im saying a broken mechanic is extremely punishing rn

[remote dock]

and this is sometimes extremely unsafe as adults can show up so eating fast is usually better

[sage yew]

applies to many things

[remote dock]

Lmfao FAIR

[remote dock]

slalom?

[cyan flame]

zig/zag I think?

Or Im entirely misunderstanding :p

[remote dock]

lol what why that makes no sense

[sage yew]

does this phrasing not exist in english?
yes, zig-zag

[cyan flame]

True that, but that'd be part of the risk. Though there are better and worse spots to try and grow :p

But in at least some spots that I know have fish, there are spots to put the fish on that a stego would struggle quite a bit to get to

[remote dock]

plus deinos are already screwed over because have fun getting crabs/turtles

[sage yew]

I usually just swim the river system up and down and chill my way through

[cyan flame]

@remote dockWith new diets, try and find some bones. Then you're all set for growth!

[remote dock]

does that work? i thought u needed to try and balance it between all three types

i may have misunderstood the new system

[burnt bone]

bones give all 3

(for deino specifically)

[remote dock]

Ooohhhh

no i had no idea

[eager parrot]

I'm so annoyed with this wack bucking glitch

I wish it would smoothly take my stamina down instead of it just dissapearing in 2 massive chunks

[scarlet ocean]

Yeeah, many get your frustration, I don’t even know why it’s chunked. literally give it the mechanic of stam drain just much faster
It was a chunk drain from the very start, but it didn’t take as much per chunk so no one really noticed it much, but now it’s noticeable 😅

[eager parrot]

Lol its funny cause its so fast you sometimes dont even notice its gone until your bucked off

[scarlet ocean]

Personally I haven’t had issues ever since I adjusted to the fast drain, but I’m aware that some people can’t react as fast or predict bucking, and also that it’s just unrealistic that it goes away in 3-4 big chunks

[eager parrot]

I probably just need to get used to it, just wished they hadn't rushed the last update so much guess you gotta make it for the christmas break though for the people expecting

[maiden epoch]

@old flax ur actually struggling for your life when u are in the jaws of an Deino

[old flax]

how are you struggling? there's no option to struggle. your just sitting still in its jaws

[old flax]

Classic croc main

[simple comet]

@maiden epoch its automatic and does nothing tho

[maiden epoch]

It's happening automatically and the Deino is losing stam to but when ur in the jaws it the end for you anyways as long as the deino grabbed you with full or half stam

[maiden epoch]

Sound like something a stego would say

[old flax]

and that my friend is what you call an unbalanced broken feature

once your in the jaws of a croc your done

its as simple as that

[maiden epoch]

Yes

Because u took the risk of drinking at this spot

[simple comet]

bruh

[old flax]

that is broken af for a video game where someone spends 2 hours or more of there time growing something just to die like that

[maiden epoch]

While deino is doing its role of making the river a high risk place

[old flax]

such a nerd bro

[maiden epoch]

Horror/Survival game

[old flax]

just accept the facts

[maiden epoch]

Just accept that ur Toxic of losing a Dino in a Survival game and are crying in feedback now

Ok I'll do that

[old flax]

legit just got grabbed by a croc 30 meters on land and he still dragged me in water. and because it drained my stam i had no chance of survival what so ever

just stating facts mate

[maiden epoch]

30 meters any Deino would be out of stam except u where small af

[simple comet]

na chief

[old flax]

i was full grown mate and the deino was legit the same size and me and can still do that bs

[maiden epoch]

What did you even play?

[old flax]

carno

[maiden epoch]

30 Meters on Land and he took u to the water

[old flax]

YES

[maiden epoch]

Was Simply just a Stam hacker

Game has a Cheater problem atm

[old flax]

so your telling me all i die to is stam hackers?

your just being ignorant

[maiden epoch]

How u are explaining it it only can be

Deino running 30 meters up to you grabbing u and running back

[old flax]

and if its 'Simply just a Stam hacker' then why hasent it been sorted with ages ago?

[maiden epoch]

An adult deino would be out of stam on not even the half way

[old flax]

no he was on land allready cause we were fighting

[maiden epoch]

Trash Anti Cheat system

[maiden epoch]

Still he wouldn't able to drag you over this distance back to the water

[old flax]

im done with this bro. its going nowhere with you just being an ignorant child who cant accept facts. im sure many people can back me on it. its broken

[maiden epoch]

Couldn't describe u better in this situation

Maybe u will see it when u cooled of from ur saltiness of ur Lost Playable

[eager parrot]

I think Deino is perfectly fine

And I dont even play it lmao

[maiden epoch]

Same

[eager parrot]

I see no reason why its unfair if a deino catches you off guard

There is very clear hot spots for deinos

[urban flax]

I think the grab mechanic as a whole is a broken mess
Not that removing stam drain on the lunged dino would change anything

[eager parrot]

and many safe areas, sometimes im lazy and I get eaten, whenever I am patient and actually drink in the correct spot I never get eaten orrr I have time to react

Lol grab mechanic is very buggy yeah

Just like any grappling mechanic in this game

Hopefully once devs are off break they will release a hotfix

[maiden epoch]

Tbh that's his job tough

To kill stuff that's taking the risk of drinking on Hot spots

Well until a Stego appears than the whole killing stuff that wants to drink falls off

[urban flax]

The problem is, it's either right click and auto-win or useless

[eager parrot]

Exactly

Thats what a deino is meant to be though right

[urban flax]

There is no inbetween no skill involvement, and no interaction at all

[maiden epoch]

Don't see the problem there when a Stego does the same on Land

[eager parrot]

Yeah

Stego can 1 hit utahs I dont complain I am a utah main

Its about being smart and decisive where you drink

[maiden epoch]

Yeah he's an ambusher that's his job

[urban flax]

Stego doesn't delete anything that is under 4 tons in one swing, you see it coming and you can bait the swings

[eager parrot]

You can guess where a deino is

There is water ripples if they are coming towards you

[urban flax]

The only counter to deino is drinking where there are no deinos
So, the solution is not interacting with it

[eager parrot]

And if they are sitting usually they are in a semi popular spot

[maiden epoch]

Sure it's annoying to Lose a Dino this way but dying to a Deino is always the Players fault

[eager parrot]

So the solution to not getting eaten alive is be patient

[urban flax]

Which is terrible

[eager parrot]

Well bubulblu luckily we ahve people like you

Who seem to love interacting with them

[urban flax]

That's not my point at all
The lunge mechanic is lame and boring for both parties

[maiden epoch]

That's the entire design of the Playable

[eager parrot]

Funnily enough there will always be people who are desperate for water

[urban flax]

Yeah for some strange reason I play online games to interact with people

[eager parrot]

lol

Go interact with a land dino what are you gonna do swim with a deino

[maiden epoch]

But interacting with Deino is deadly as long ur not a Stego

[eager parrot]

Its a apex predator the only thing that should touch is a stego

[urban flax]

Goddammit I'm not complaining about dying to deinos

It even never happened to me (except when I was attacking deinos on purpose), I know it's easy to avoid

[eager parrot]

I guess the grab mechanic can get boring for a deino

It is just a click and forget

[urban flax]

The problem is that you have in the game an attack that is a guaranteed kill against anything under 4 tons and perfectly useless against anything above 4 tons, unless you use it to stunlock it with other deinos

[eager parrot]

I think we just need another water dino

[urban flax]

Exactly
And it's not much more interesting for the lunged dino

[eager parrot]

Having one water dino in the first place is a big problem

Because there isn't even an incentive to kill a deino

[urban flax]

We need a lunge that is interactive and leaves room for different outcomes

[eager parrot]

What would that look like though

I can only think of a mini game or a struggle feature

But it would be weird to implement realistically

Considering Deinos bite force is insane

Maybe individual limb grappling

Instead of whole body, so you have to aim it

If you bite a leg they can slip out

If you get bit on the torso you are basically done for something like that

[urban flax]

I was thinking of fishing games
When a deino lunges something else, its speed is reduced in proportion to the lunged dino's weight
So if it lunges a 1 ton dino it wouldn't be slowed down much, but if it lunges a 6 ton one it could barely move
And then stamina consumption on both ends depends on how and where they move

[maiden epoch]

I wan to one shot Stego because I aimed at the head

[urban flax]

I don't exactly remember the rule I imagined for it, but I posted it somewhere in this channel I'm gonna try and find it

[eager parrot]

Thats a good idea, implement that with a basic limb system lets say head torso legs and you have a more fun grappling lunge for deino

That would be quite fun tbh on both sides

[urban flax]

Here it is
#general-feedback-discussion message

[eager parrot]

Adds skill to the deinos lunge rather then just patience lol

[urban flax]

You finally understand

[eager parrot]

I just read it

Thats an amazing idea, I was a bit confused on the fishing example but now I understand

That would literally change gameplay for deino so much for the better

I wonder how hard that would be to implement

But I can imagine playing as a stego and letting a deino lunge you just to bait him out of the water drag him for a bit then let him waste his stamina and kind of string him along until he is exhausted enough to finish him off

Actually a viable fun method of deino vs stego engagement instead of just trading hits over and over and over

[urban flax]

Probably quite hard, considering how hitboxes work in this game
But definitely not impossible

[eager parrot]

I reckon we do need atleast 2 more apexes though

Just cause it is a bit bland stego being the only viable dinosaur for fair combat against a deino

I hope they add spino eventually

But I feel like they wont for a very long time

I have seen nothing about it in the road map but idk why they wouldn't its such an iconic dinosaur and offers such a cool playstyle

[urban flax]

Spino is planned, but for in a long time

[eager parrot]

ah

Makes sense I would love to see more developers be employed for this game

[urban flax]

But it's not like real spino at all
It's more like jp3 spino, but bigger

[eager parrot]

The community for evrima seems to have grown since update 3/4 when I last played

Hmm I do like JP3 spino so I wouldnt mind

I like the realistic spinos looks more though

[urban flax]

I can try to find the concept art for you

[eager parrot]

I remember it kind of

It got leaked ages ago right

I believe I saw it when I was playing last time

I got the game path of titans recently

But it doesnt give me the same vibe as the isle

[urban flax]

Found it
#phase-two-archive message

[eager parrot]

Ohhh let me look

hmm looks like a mix between the realistic depiction of spino and jp3

It looks a little slouched like what we think it was in real life but it also has the height of jp3

[urban flax]

I quite like its design, although I would have preferred something closer to real life spino as well
Though... We don't even know how irl spino really was

[eager parrot]

True I like the more amphibian look of the realistic spino

I jsut tabbed back into game and I was starving oh loird

[tawdry oyster]

I wanted to add some perks to it because having a sleep mechanic just being there would be pointless + not many people would really use it, I mean I guess as an emote yeah but that’s really just it.

Yes some animals have are partly awake so they can sense incoming danger but I don’t think that applies to a lot of dinos. Also the perks are the only reason I think it should go black because it would be better than sitting

[ancient kestrel]

Also it feels kinda dumb that you need to do with your deino a lot of bites to stego head that smaller then deino's head in 100 times lol

And also as deino you have not much times when you can bite stego's head.

[lapis swallow]

@orchid moon bringing it back will probably happen, because the movement of many playables is bugged rn, but a buff on top of this? No. What do you want, should omni turn on the spot while maintaining its full speed or what?;

[orchid moon]

Back to the old balance of utah from 5/5.5

[lapis swallow]

No, that omni was op. Magnetic pounces, bucking was useless

[orchid moon]

They should bring it back imo, i cant even hit someone with pounce as omni right now

[lapis swallow]

You can, you just need to aim properly

[orchid moon]

I do

I dont play utah so much because he is just useless in this update

[lapis swallow]

The issue is that both of its counters are overtuned and the inertia bug

[orchid moon]

Literally the 3 almost sub adult carnos kill me as a full adult utah

In update 5.5 i was killing it easily

[lapis swallow]

Yeah, its because of the overtuned charge

[lapis swallow]

Because the growth curves were bugged

You got like half your strenght on the last 10% of your growth

[orchid moon]

The balance was great in 5.5 now other playables are just useless

Carno and pachy is too op in this update

Others are just weak or boring

[lapis swallow]

Pachy was useless kinda useless last update, carno was getting countered by omni (it should be the other way). Omni had its magnetic pounce and bucking was too weak

[orchid moon]

Now the 5 omnis cant kill the adult carno

[lapis swallow]

You have to adjust your tactics now

But carno is op rn, I wont disagree on that

[orchid moon]

With what? 16 players vs one playable

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/jungle2-junglecord-hop-on-gorilla-jungle-gif-24982368

[uneven mist]

Use the jungle, jungle Omni is terrifying also tap pounce is the go to now until you get your prey to 0 stam also omni got a pretty busted buff this update, things cannot buck it off when they have low/zero stamina

[uneven mist]

Also no, Omni was broken that update with magnetic pounce and that juvi Omnis couId deleted a carno, teno or stegos stam
Pachy was too weak
Carno had a bloodpool nerf that made it useless against Omnis and a solo could take one out (shouldn’t be the case)

Omni is actually terrifying against things that use stamina on attacks so if the Omnis Juke around a stego and bait it’s attack until it has no stam then it can’t even buck off the Omnis

[true haven]

I guess omni need a buff of stams regen to counter the nerf

And a hotfix on balancing is a needed one, i can’t enjoy the disgraceful carno no more

[uneven mist]

I’d rathermake it something like a multiplier, rather than MASSIVE chunks of stam in a single second so it's more reactable instead of a stam regen buff

And it’s stam regen already is pretty good

[lapis swallow]

Omni is one of the best endurance hunter atm, it needs its mobility back and the buck change

[true haven]

Sounds like a better idea, but at the current state, there won’t be any change in the next few weeks 😦

Development is very slow and feedback is getting buried :

[lapis swallow]

They are on break rn, that is the issue

But they want to make a Combat ST soon (between u6 and u6.5), I have high hopes in that

[sharp rock]

@shy python Great minds think alike

[sharp flower]

@drifting rose
About: #general-feedback message
Dude, pounce was worked on for 3 updates and it is still broken. And you talk about climate simulations.

[limber hull]

what?

[drifting rose]

nothing i said has to do with pounce

[limber hull]

the hell does that have to do with anything

[sharp flower]

His suggestion even involves adapting stats to climate situations. It’s a damn complex thing. A lot more complex than pounce.
And pounce is still somewhat broken after somewhat of a year.

[drifting rose]

i mean most of what i said is common since so it could probably already be coming and the only difficult things to add into the game that i talked about would be the wind affect on water and maybe how flyers are affected by winds

[true haven]

they handle it with too little care hence many things break in U6 😆

we should get better mechanics after migration to UE5

[sharp flower]

What does UE have to do with mechanics coded by the developers?

[limber hull]

also i havent seen many pounce issues, besides the magnetic pounce, for a while

also, again, why the hell bring up pounce when it is completely irrelevant to the discussion

[true haven]

they will be much easier to handle or implement

[drifting rose]

do u know what ue5 does?

[sharp flower]

You think they’ll recode stuff again?

[limber hull]

i seriously cant understand the relevance of pouncing as a mechanic in the context of weather mechanics

[true haven]

i guess he meant, the pouncing mechanic barely working properly why bother discussing weather mechanics which is way more advance

[sharp flower]

Both are mechanics. One is simpler than the other. The simple one still doesn’t work properly.

[sharp flower]

Exactly.

[limber hull]

ah, it's a "devs bad" comment that exists to disparage sharing ideas because you personally want to bring down the mood, got it

[true haven]

i doubt it, but there are some built in features / tools to make something possible now like Nanite..

[drifting rose]

the devs come back to old stuff all the time and rework it actually i think update nine they will go back through all threre updates and add/fix stuff

[true haven]

of course there will be no change after the migration happened but expect for new mechanics / polished stuff in the next few months after it done

[sharp flower]

No, it’s just my belief what is possible and what is not possible. This is a dinosaur game and pushing the development towards the map@and surroundings disappoints me.

[limber hull]

you want a dinosaur game which takes place on a garbage map where half of the roster has no room to prosper? So you want a sandbox PvP dino arena, then

explain to me the problem with making the dinosaurs have a space to actually play like dinosaurs

[sharp flower]

The map looks great, the climate suggestion would look great, surroundings overall are compared to the rest of the game on another level. And this division is felt by players.

The quality of the visuals is 10 times ahead of the mechanics.

[true haven]

well for me, the problem is they keep stretching out the target and in the end none is done properly / half baked. i mean nothing bad to have broad vision just be realistic and have priorities.

[sharp flower]

I agree

And speaking of the further quality difference of the visuals and the mechanics, I believe the mechanics (and including playables) to be a priority.

@limber hull there you got your answer.

[clear pagoda]

It's not a feedback on the gameplay but on the servers. I've been trying to enter one for 40 minutes and they're all full. Maybe you should add more or make them 150/200 players each

Also, non European servers are always empty therefore there should be some distribution if adding more isn't an option

[lapis swallow]

this is discussion, not the feedback channel

[clear pagoda]

Where do I write it? Because I think it's a big problems for hundreds of people

[lapis swallow]

#general-feedback

[clear pagoda]

Thanks

Will do

[true haven]

the isle devs need to recruit more programmers to handle more mechanics stuff or it could also be recruited to handle balancing issue, it gets pretty annoying to have OP dinos for weeks, even months without a hotfix and just hoping the next update would come ASAP.

[lapis swallow]

they are hiring rn

[true haven]

how do you know that ?, they said it or listed somewhere ?

[limber hull]

the map is needed for more than just visual

spiro is an actively poorly made map, gateway is FAR better designed

it's so much better for introducing new mechanics and playables

[sage yew]

what makes it "so much better" for playables or mechanics specifically? Beside of being more appealing in general.

I'm reading those claims all over the board, but no one showed any hint of evidence for this.

it seems like the grass is always greener on the other side. spiro is basically a blank canvas, with visual sprites painted over it, with no working mechanics at all. But even if gateway was developed with more thought behind it, that does not mean that improvements will actually have any benefits for feature development

[limber hull]

i have played spiro. i have played gateway. i can GUARANTEE you, it is infinitely better

beipi or many of the planned aquatics would feel entirely out-of-place on spiro

on gateway, they have areas they can live and thrive within

migrations are also a mechanic that outright cannot work on Spiro, and requires Gateway to exist

[sage yew]

Areas might be batter, but that has nothing to do with mechanics

[limber hull]

Spiro's complete lack of variety and diversity, or well-designed areas for that matter, make it impossible to actually have migrations exist in a playable fashion, that isn't just walking from one green plane to another green plane

[sage yew]

Not gonna disagree with that, only that many claims seem to be arbitrary

[limber hull]

They aren't really, since they're based on experience

I can guarantee you from personal experience, Gateway accounts for arboreal gameplay, diverse aquatic ecosystems, migrations, human gameplay and more. It is essentially a necessity in the game's forward progress

[sage yew]

Do have plants have collision? Does environment, surfaces have any impact on movement or behaviour? Is the environment interacting with the player. How do visual feedbacks work? I have so many question. "just believe" is not enough, as I know it from other occasions that people get easely blinded by fancy new stuff, that actually does not have any meaningful impact (Not thinking about migration) and I don't know you well enough to simply believe

While everyone is telling how much better gateway is, I want to see some facts what is actually different, beside from visuals, or distribution of areas

[limber hull]

you realise that a TON of people have streams and videos of it

you can quite literally look for yourself

[sage yew]

I have seen some and to be honest, I don't see anything being changed, beside of simply being different - which can be an improvement on it self, sure

but mechanics related to map development? I haven't seen any. In this regard, I only see whichful thinking and misinformation

[limber hull]

the new mechanics aren't in yet lol

the point is to show the new map, not all of the new mechanics that come with it

[sage yew]

so there are no videos of it, that's my point. There is no proof of anything. Only that structure and the playability in mind, the migration should play out better, but beside that: nothing.

[limber hull]

i dont see your point though, are you trying to get across that gateway is a useless endeavour?

[sage yew]

no, only that some claims that people are givin to be seen a bit mire sceptic, as gateway will not be the glory grale

[limber hull]

like, idk how else to say this, adding stuff like beipi or herrera onto Spiro is literally a bad idea, these animals simply aren't compatible with its dogwater map design

gateway gives more areas for animals to grow and thrive in, and allows the roster to be comfortably expanded and given places to exist

[sage yew]

Like I said, I do not disagree on that

[limber hull]

spiro restricts you to small portions of same-old green planes

[sage yew]

the issues to this, are not specifically related to spiro, but have multiple and different causes and will not be solved by a new map, but with other improvements made alongside the new map

how the map interacts with people, will probably not change at all. At least for now

[lapis swallow]

they are related to spiro. because spiro restricts you to those old green planes. and the map will interact with people very differently. the rivers are wider, the plains are thinner and have more obstacles in them. there are more hills. freaking biodomes exist (once they are accessible). Gateway is more interesting, better looking and functionally better than Spiro

[burnt bone]

Heres a good example on how gateway's design helps mechanics drastically: Water

Water has been expanded greatly on this map in many ways. Most of the water systems are not directly connected, which then forces deino to travel on land between places. This allows deinos to have more risk for an extra reward, such as moving from a river to a lake at the new migration area. Speaking of rivers people cross, all the crossing points are now well defined bridges. Which may seem bad for deino at first, but going to those bridges is risky because predators can obviously wait there for someone to cross. Thus, prey has to choose between crossing a risky point and fighting, or trying to sneakily cross the wide river and hope a deino isnt waiting for them. Plus, migrations can easily force people to consistently cross rivers or go to a new water source where they don't know if a croc is in or not. There are also now islands that dinos can travel to, some of which are so far that certain dinos can't make the journey. Those that do decide to travel can easily be a snack for a deino that knows they are migrating to the islands.

That is just 1 way the map differs that now impacts every playable, there are many other examples, and more changes could be added as they are needed.

[icy lion]

@timid marsh Bleed doesn't deal damage to health in evrima

[wintry mica]

,

pt

alguém pt

[timid marsh]

There needs to be stacked bleed like the old isle where it says you have 20 bleed and you get 20 damage pre second because as a utha i play on a admin server and i can see how much health they have and i was fighting a pachy at the time i gotton 5 bites in and can see if the pachy losses health but the pachy just kept gaining health fast. I just want to get bites in and bleed it out without it gaining health and have to attack it because if i don't it will just regen itself.

[icy lion]

#evrima-sa

[icy lion]

Like I said, bleeding doesn't damage your health

[timid marsh]

it should

[cyan flame]

That's not how Evrima bleed works, bleed is a separate "pool" from health. Also omni does bleed with pounce, not bite. If you can get a full pounce off on a pachy, it almost dies to that bleed from just standing. So what you want to do is bait a bunch of attacks from it, wear down it's stamina, then start tap pouncing to inflict bleed and damage and bait bucking, until it runs low/out of stam, at which point you can finish it off with a longer pounce and all the bleed it'll do.

[cyan flame]

Legacy bleed was terrible, just a matter of do x bites then just wait.

[timid marsh]

ya but why do we all need to be t-rexes and do more damage the bleed

[cyan flame]

What? Currently omni does massive bleed with pounce?

[burnt bone]

omni can literally 2-3 shot pachy with pounces

even with buck

[timid marsh]

but why do i have to pounce to make sure i can win a fight and not just bites

[icy lion]

I think "because this isn't legacy anymore" is the most suitable answer

[burnt bone]

because pounce is this dino's main mechanic used for killing. Each dino has their own playstyle, if you want to kill with bites, I'd recommend carno.

[icy lion]

Raptors are designed to use their pounce to bleed their prey

[cyan flame]

Because that's how the omni is designed to work. Simple as that really. You have fancy abilities and mechanics in Evrima, not just plain bites, so they tend to be what you are meant to use.

[timid marsh]

https://youtu.be/Rs_Kd5hKJ4k

[cyan flame]

Even there, charge is meant to be part of it.

[icy lion]

Bleed does stack, it just doesn't deal health damage

When the prey's blood pool reaches 0, it dies, no matter how much health it has

[cyan flame]

That's ... kind of useless. Bleed does not affect health, you need to test the blood pool.

Also again, bite isn't really your main tool to inflict bleed. Try pouncing the other guy for a few seconds, then have them watch the blood pool.

[icy lion]

Pounce deals a proportionally massive amount of bleeding, by design

[timid marsh]

but like i said why do i have to pounce to succeed my win in a fight

and not bite

its the same thing uthas have teeth

[burnt bone]

because that is how this game works. You use the special abilities to win fights, rather than bites

[cyan flame]

Because you have the pounce now, it's the main mechanic/ability of omni, and so it's designed to use that.

Instead of just spamming bite.

[burnt bone]

pachy literally can't do anything with bites, it has to use its ram to actually win the fight

[sage yew]

you can always use both, you don't have to win by draining HP and blood, but can approach things differently

[cyan flame]

That too, you can bite smaller things to death with raw damage if you want.

[timid marsh]

well i think they should just change that because who would like to bleed there enemy with out have to risk you 1 hour and 30 min utha from a failed pounce and can pla it safe and just bite

[lapis swallow]

Many people kill their prey at 80% ish health because they used pounces

[lapis swallow]

so running in for a low amount of bleed and damage is not risky to you?

[burnt bone]

bite is even more risky than a pounce, good luck biting a stego rather than pouncing it.

[cyan flame]

If you don't like bleeding, then maybe omni isn't for you. Also it shouldn't really be "safe" to just bite anyway. But this is how omni works, you're meant to bleed with pounce, if that's not appealing then well, too bad I guess.

Can't really give you any better advice, it's like asking why you can't bite things to death effectively as deino, it got lunge so use that and drown things. Same with omni and pounce.

[sage yew]

pounce is basically a trade of stamina for damage and can put you real quick in a massive disadvantage

[cyan flame]

In any case, legacy bleed wasn't ideal, and if bleed is to do damage again to health, we would need to really rework things to make it much more balanced than legacy.

[timid marsh]

im just saying bite should be able to start bleed without a pounce

[cyan flame]

You do bleed with bite too.

Just very little, due to low damage on bite as well.

[burnt bone]

it does start bleed, just not nearly as much as pounce

[cyan flame]

But it's not as if biting doesn't do anything, you can do noticable bleed with bite, though you're more likely to kill the target with damage over bleed that way.

[timid marsh]

ya but if you bite something 3 times like i did in the video you can see that he gained health back WHILE moving

[icy lion]

Because bleed doesn't affect health

[lapis swallow]

because that is how bleed works

[timid marsh]

it should

[cyan flame]

... Okay, let me try this again. Bleed does not affect health in Evrima. Bleed has it's own "health pool" that you can see in the bleed icon.

[lapis swallow]

it is a second healthbar

[cyan flame]

So if you're just looking at the health, you're not even understanding how bleed works.

[cyan flame]

No. There's no need.

[lapis swallow]

so we can have different approaches at hunting styles

[timid marsh]

ok, wouldn't you like bleed to work with bites?

[icy lion]

It does

[sage yew]

but it does

[cyan flame]

Bleed does work with bites, I assure you, carno and deino can both do noticable bleed with their bites.

[lapis swallow]

it does

[timid marsh]

stacked bleed

[icy lion]

Yep

[cyan flame]

It does stack as well.

[burnt bone]

it does work with bites, if you get bit by a carnivore, you start bleeding, which ticks down your blood pool.

[cyan flame]

If you bite something more, you're going to inflict more bleed.

[icy lion]

The more bleed damage you apply, the faster the target's blood pool drains

[lapis swallow]

many omnis use a combination of pounces and bites to bleed their target down