general-feedback-discussion

[molten dock]

but also a TON of work

[zealous stone]

I think Sucho is the one I'm most concerned about in the whole Spino/Sucho/Bary overlap. If you want agile lightweight you pick Bary, you want unstoppable but slow heavyweight you pick Spino. But Sucho is kinda in this weird middle ground.

[molten dock]

if fits inbetween it would probably compete mostly with the deino

[zealous stone]

I feel like risks Sucho just ending up being the one a few people player because they think Bary dies to easily and Spino is to slow.

Which I guess is its own playstyle, but is far from preferable

[molten dock]

i feel like if they added the sarco alongside the sucho they could compete being similar sizes

so they'd fight over river territory away from deinos

[zealous stone]

Sucho is going to be 4.2 tons from what I heard, so its only going to be able to fight deino effectively with a number advantage. To be fair this could still result in an interesting rivalry that helps Sucho out, but I still think it would be better to find ways to differentiate the three spinosaurids from each other, rather than just having players pick there favorite balance between weight and dps or speed and maneuvarbility.

Because then you risk having one getting denounced as "discount [insert other similar playable name here]" which I don't think anyone wants.

[molten dock]

thats why i said add sarcho alongside it a smaller river croc

[zealous stone]

I don't think Sarco is planned

[molten dock]

im just sayin

[molten dock]

great discussion though wow was not expecting people to actually discuss on the internet civilly

[obsidian jetty]

@harsh jungle you don't like the term "brainworms" for it? But yes, currently it is a penalty for cannibalism, but it would work just fine for inbreeding as well. I guess we all know that keeping the best genes in the family does lead to unexpected results somewhere down the line, right?

[viral finch]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-good-news-good-news-something-good-i-got-a-mail-positive-gif-15789524

I had no idea... Shame I dont nest ever.

[obsidian jetty]

you had no idea that inbreeding can lead to unexpected results? Or that utahs get a debuff for cannibalising? 😄

[viral finch]

not awared of the mechanics. Goood to know.

They could add those details but they don't add poop mechanic. (xd chill i know im the only one hwo suggest this and like)

[obsidian jetty]

the first one isn't a mechanic (well at least not in the game as far as I am aware of, but I never tried to nest with my dino's own father/mother...has anyone done that? Would like to know xD)

[viral finch]

It's a game. so sure. No danger. (if you want to bring players)

Nest is for that right? just bring players

(i never nest, i see no point on starting baby as i can start subadlut. But I think is for party porposes)

[inland torrent]

i think you cant inbreed you just cant breed with them at least someone said that

[obsidian jetty]

well nesting does have its perks...like you don't have to find a group, because you'll be in one, you're protected and being fed (unless your parents are bad at parenting xD)

[viral finch]

You can call it "perks" but is jus an experience. I enjoy playing alone.
You will die always, sooner or later.

[obsidian jetty]

interesting, as I said, I never tried it. Thanks ^_^

[viral finch]

Try it. if it lets you, its a perk

in any case youa re never alone in this game

[obsidian jetty]

ye, ofc you'll die sooner or later, but some people just enjoy taking care of small ones and some people enjoy having an easier start or not having to run halfway across the map to meet up with their friends, so that's what nesting's for. If it's not for you that's perfectly fine, you don't have to do it ^^

[viral finch]

It is for me if I want to add a friend I think. It has it functionality. (be in a party)

Still not sure of all this nest mechanic. I have only a month with tha game.

But ii have read people about raptor babier destroying nest or killing each other, of stuff alike
(i don't know if that is possible)

[obsidian jetty]

it is possible and yes, as always, there are people who instead of trying to have fun themselves ruin the fun for others, but people are gonna people...not much you can do about that

[viral finch]

https://tenor.com/view/i-couldnt-agree-more-john-krasinski-saturday-night-live-youre-absolutely-correct-thats-right-gif-20212746

[obsidian jetty]

apart from obviously making hatchlings deal no damage to anything, but then they'll just wait until they're juvies to then destroy everything, so...yeah ^^

[viral finch]

Just like babysharks in the mom'sbelly hehe

https://tenor.com/view/ron-swanson-nature-nature-is-amazing-amazing-parks-and-rec-gif-18353277

have a good day, i wont spam gif anymore. . I will actually play a bit I think

@neon oak Once a croc killed me because I ate his Utah friend. hahahha It's sucked.
But I'm more awared of the social interactions from then.
I have mix feeling about this I like it and I don't. So I have no real opinion.
But I gave a ✅ to push people to play the same is more logic

[neon oak]

😄 I more or less understand the system of cannibalism. I don't have a problem with it anymore, I'm used to it.
but the mixpack thing is utter nonsense and spoils the fun of the game.

[viral finch]

🤝

[harsh jungle]

Not that i dont like it. I feel like it might actually be good but i dont really know much about brainworms, also i guess something messing with the player would be hard to code or to implement correctly, which also raises the question about nesting others, will they be notified that the nest theyre about to spawn in is going to leave them with brainworms ? Wont that just make noone spawn in them ?

The idea of such a penalty is very tricky.

But the brainworms with cannibalism is really good
Permanent brainworms ? Not likely but a lengthy debuff/some hallucinations like with dilo venom or even slowed down growth would definetly work well

[molten dock]

Just being stunted in general and weaker but idk how they could balance that

[obsidian jetty]

Well...the debuff itself already exists. Cannibalising Utahs do get a temporary debuff (try it, it's funny ^^).

But if inbreeding is simply impossible - which is totally fine with me - it don't matter anyway. It would just be a different approach to the "issue" - aka "would be possible but a terrible idea".

[harsh jungle]

well, that would explain utahs not killing their kind for no reason stopping almost completely at one point

I never cannibalised so i thought people just became nice

[faint folio]

Adding a permanent hatchling debuff would cause people to intentionally make bad nests to troll random people who took the eggs. Happens on day of dragons

They'll advertise 18A nest with a rare skin, you accept, and bam-- 18F inbreeding penalty to stats

And it doesn't affect the parents so there's no incentive not to do it

[obsidian jetty]

That's true enough and depending on how severe those penalties are it could indeed be an issue. If it were...let's say infertility only, it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

What you said, however, could actually be a reason for that. Depending on how the perk system or the elder bonus things or whatever else there might be at some point that improves your dino in any way is going to work. If any of that can be passed on to your offspring (which might give nesting a boost) it might be useful to have a way to only have infertile babies...or for population control reasons on unofficial servers (yaknow, instead of "I'm nesting Spinos, females will be killed").

But that would depend on a lot of other things like...can certain rare or special things be passed on? If so, how? Will you be able to get information about the parents before you take the egg? What will the server options for unofficial servers look like, will it be possible to deactivate certain dinosaurs (aka make them admin only)?

In and by itself an "inbreeding penalty" isn't necessary (apart from "realism") but it might come in handy if abused in the right way xD

[dusk meteor]

A universal inbreeding penalty isn't especially realistic. Some animals go out of their way to avoid inbreeding, others don't. Not every inbred child is negatively affected, it just gives them a higher risk of inheriting bad traits since your system doesn't have an alternative to pick. But if both parents have pretty good genes, as can happen, it's not really going to affect the child much at all.

I think inbreeding should probably be allowed with a chance of penalty that increases the more you inbreed. This could vary by species, with some species not even suffering a penalty - one's that really need a helping hand to thrive like dry and hypsi. While other who are particularly prone to breeding into megapacks could suffer a higher roll chance, like utah.

I doubt we'd every see something like that invested in though. They barely acknowledged the positive side to nest like getting a rare skin.

I assume the pitch black skin is still possible, though I'm not sure. I've only ever seen one potential none and that was ages ago

[icy lion]

It was a bug that got fixed

[zealous stone]

Usually inbreeding usually takes a few generations of repetition before it starts causing issues.

[dusk meteor]

Figured, I hadn't seen one in a long while and it was the coolest thing nesting had to offer

[dusk meteor]

Well, yes, that's why I said it should be a chance that increases the more you inbreed, so it stacks. That should really be true across the board regardless of initial penalty.

[zealous stone]

I'm not really sure if the game would really benefit from inbreeding being allowed at the cost of eventual penalties.

Like what reason do people have to risk inbreeding penalties in the first place other than maybe lack of potential mates? How often are people even going to be effected by these penalties? Do people getting these penalties actually change the game in a meaningful and beneficial way?

The only way I can see inbreeding actively sought out is if players were given random "genetic traits" whenever they spawned in, which give certain benefits, and were hereditary, and people were trying to keep a certain build going for each generation.

Or of course as joke, I'm sure some people would do that for fun.

[dusk meteor]

I think the game would benefit from allowing inbreeding overall. Nesting is thin on the ground as it is, more availability to nest wouldn't go amiss.

Having a penalty over time would eventually force people to think outside their social bubble though and let in trickled of new players even if they wary to outsiders.
If penalty was also varied by species it also means it can act as a natural barrier in a sense. The game would be inherently promoting nesting in some species and dissuaded easy breeding in others.

On top of that, yes, you may want to keep a specific gene going if positive effects are ever introduced. But having a stacking penalty would also make it considerably harder for people to flat out troll than a base penalty being applied to all who are inbred as has been suggested.

Besides, I'm not here to think about all the ins and outs, that's the devs job.

So essentially it's not a 'the game must do this' kind of point. But more a rejection of the idea that inbreeding should be totally banned, and a rejection that a penalty should exist for everyone 2jo is inbred and that if it were structured another way, I think it should be this.

Mostly because its more of a middle ground than anything

[obsidian jetty]

Technically I said "could be born with", which implies a chance of that happening, but that's not important.
Overall I do agree with you, it might benefit the game if inbreeding were possible as a way to increase the chance of passing on whatever good stuff there might be to pass on at some point in the future with the risk of unexpected side-effects if you take it too far.

But even a very simplified "genetics"-system would be one hell of a lot of work, so as I said, the if and how would really depend on how the other things are going to work.

[jovial otter]

Inbreeding usually affects the second generation in my experience (accidental inbreeding with goats on the farm) the 1st gen looks and acts normal and was healthy, but their kids were borked. Infertility, physical defects, etc

[shy adder]

I don’t understand why most of our growth and damage comes from the last 15-10% of the grow. It encourages afk growing more than ever. I’ve seen more people who afk grow under the diets and this new update than I have in the past. Even if you move the food very far away people will just afk grow longer with two diets. I’ve seen it happen with stegos. I miss seeing people of different sizes move around. Now it’s just adults.

Btw I am talking about herbie gameplay not carno gameplay

[dusk meteor]

Putting food closer actually tends to get people moving more because people see it as less of a chore. Teno has like the holy trinity in onespotand I'm always maintaining my diet because I don't have to go too far

[lone kite]

what do yall got agenced pumkins becoming Jakolanterns for a mounth @viral finch @hidden pilot

[proud coral]

Jack-o'-lanterns for Halloween would be fun and harmless, no clue why others are against it. Literally just a texture

[zealous stone]

I had just logged back into NA 1 with my 100% Utah and I had Jumped a couple of feet forward and died.
The Isle: a world designed to kill you

[gritty terrace]

[viral finch]

Stephalos — hoy a las 21:59
Hello my friend. It will be very cool!. . But will work as a spotlight imo. In distances
.............................................................................
Now regarding my exaggerated emojis (gun), I was just being c*nt as many others here. And I wanted to test the limits 🥸 (as people already use very disrespectful Dino-emojis). But you can think of me as a friend in reality.
............................................................................
In the other hand I'm not a Halloween enjoyer but whether they add as anything I wont complain. 👍
But clearly this is their game, for them, and they just let us play it.
They don't even bother to fix minor things with a monthly update. it feels we are inside a hobbie. (But is their own right to do). At least the game is very enjoyable yet.

[runic steppe]

@UnNamed#9395 this would be a nice middle ground and the message would have to be put into global after the call is finished to prevent ppl from canceling it with a bite but not locking someone in an animation like legacy. This is the best idea for the reintroduction to global I’ve seen

[barren zephyr]

@heady quarry screens have always been hard to understand for casual players. i like the idea, but i think the heart icon is a much better option so we can keep the nice visual appearance and be able to see our health at the same time.

[heady quarry]

I think if the heart icon was always displayed on the screen rather than needing to press a button that stops your character in place and blocks your vision in order to see your HP, that would be fine. But because you have to open your character screen to see your health, it would be better to have the damage screens be better indicative of your HP

[barren zephyr]

just like the stamina bar in legacy, the heart icon should pop up whenever the player is losing health

[heady quarry]

I honestly agree with any alternative! That would work great. I just figured the blood on the screen was intended to show the player their HP and that it just wasn’t serving it’s purpose anymore

[harsh jungle]

👍

[gritty terrace]

@balmy meadow I believe they canceled mimni

from what I have heard

[balmy meadow]

Wh- where did you hear that?

Imma be so sad if its true but I havent heard it was canceled

[icy lion]

No

[gritty terrace]

did they not?

@echo tiger no idea what you are talking about then

[icy lion]

What makes you think they did?

[gritty terrace]

who I pinged said so

[icy lion]

Where?

[gritty terrace]

ok nvm miscommunication @icy lion

well yay

[surreal sedge]

if utahs are cannibalizing eachother i'm glad, too many of them since the over buffing they got.

[balmy meadow]

Woooo Minmi isn’t canceled

[proud coral]

@hasty dagger I had actually suggested that before and Zod said once the rename becomes live it'll be done. 😛

[icy lion]

@grim marten It's been said that ripping limbs off of live players isn't planned due to how unfun it'd be for the victim

[grim marten]

K

Didn't expect such a fast response

[sullen brook]

Replay Mode review

[icy lion]

Please only use this channel to discuss posts shared in #general-feedback. You can share your ideas in there

[sullen brook]

I asked for something in phase three you told me to go here, now what?

[icy lion]

I told you to go to #general-feedback and to be more descriptive in your suggestions

This is #general-feedback-discussion, it's for discussing the posts in #general-feedback

[sullen brook]

I’m asking for phase three -_-

Not discussing

[icy lion]

No, you're asking for an addition to the game. Suggestions like that should be shared in #general-feedback

[sullen brook]

Oh so that logic means this should be not allowed

[icy lion]

They are requesting content teasers for animals that have been confirmed. You can see what content is generally shared in #isle-phase-three

[sullen brook]

I asked for a Replay mode review?

So if i did “Replay Mode Review?” Would that be fine??

[icy lion]

As I already said, you should be more descriptive in your suggestion

[sullen brook]

Mmm he’s very descriptive

[icy lion]

Well, tell me, what do you mean by "replay mode review"?

What would you like to see?

[sullen brook]

What could that be?? Replay mode…

[sullen brook]

Just what replay mode has.

So Replay Mode Review should be good

[icy lion]

If you'd like to see replay mode readded to the game, you can suggest it in #general-feedback with your reasons as to why

[sullen brook]

I’m asking it

not suggesting

[icy lion]

You can ask to have it return in #general-feedback with your reasons why you would like it back

[sullen brook]

So they would need to go their to ask why they want it then

[icy lion]

They are requesting teasers they would like to see shared in #phase-three-requests, such as concept art. You are asking for a mechanic to be returned to the game, which is more fitting in #general-feedback

[sullen brook]

I am asking for teaser of Replay mode.

[icy lion]

I understand the names of the two channels can be confusing, but this is how we expect suggestions and teaser requests to be organized

[thorn cove]

Can someone tell me what "anti-gamma" is?

[uneven mist]

Makes it so you can’t change the gamma to see better so it’s like having an unfair advantage

[thorn cove]

Omg yes. I always hated tht

[pure quiver]

Anti-gamma is one of those things that, I guess to a degree, effects everyone but is only really perpetrated those who are ultra-competetive, high-strung, tech-savy, and bored.
They're not having fun in a developing game so they're going to make it hard on others like a tantrum-chucking toddler knocking over the other kids' block towers because he's bored with blocks

[viral finch]

@minor laurel 😌

[bleak bison]

@sour holly if compy is made playable no one would play it after running around for 5 minutes. It’s shorter than grass it wouldn’t be fun to play or travel with. It’d be a painful existence. Plus troodon is a thing.

[minor laurel]

Yes ? XD

[viral finch]

hahah you wanted double stance. the will add it again (oc idk if for bary)

I Just saw the news and remembered your discussion

[minor laurel]

Yeah that was why i made a post about it ! I hope they'll think about it for the spoonboï nyehehe

Yes maaan

[sour holly]

I think it will be fun, something "diferent", smaller and they can use that advantage from some new things.

[pure quiver]

@young hornet I completely agree, I would love to see the models dressed up to look disheveled and worn, reclaimed by nature over time!

[bleak birch]

@barren zephyr I like your idea with making lore more accessible. Maybe it could be a benefit to playing human? Like as a human you’d be able to visit ruins or human facilities and find journals/diary’s with different lore entries or something. As I’m sure most people will want to play as Dinos to hunt humans, this might encourage more people to play as humans for the Dino’s to hunt lol

[nimble nebula]

Do the devs know about frames being fuzzy/showing past frames just with a lighter opacity fading out I can attach photo if needed still appears even with ~60fps and just makes it look blurry and unpolished

[sudden hinge]

@minor yarrow stego isn’t op this feedback is unnecessary

[minor yarrow]

you clearly didn't read all of it

[cyan flame]

Well, I did. And you're kind of wrong overall. First off all, I'm not sure deino is meant to compete with larger predators (or herbis even). Second, if you're that many adult deinos vs one adult stego and you're still struggling, then you kind of are just utterly bad at the game. Since at the very least a pair of deinos can take a stego at the waterline (and sometimes even solo them if the deino is good and the stego don't watch itself). And if you got a few adults (I'd recommend 3-4 at least), you can even potentially fight a stego on land, or at the very least make it want to keep it's distance. So stegos are far from indestructible.

A note to keep in mind, you can not grab an adult stego, but your lunge still stuns it. Utilize that and work as a team, and you'll achieve much better success than trying to go at it as if you're just another playable. You're not, and you're ill designed to fight stuff, so you need to consider that in your approach.

[sudden hinge]

I did stego is still not op why are you on land trying to fight a stego as an ambush predator that can’t even drown it?

[echo tiger]

3-4 8 tonne Crocs are being recommended in order to kill stego
not OP

Stego is OP at the current moment because of a severe lack of competition. That and it's absurd hitboxes, it's very much inflated damage for the roster it's in and it's stamina and bleed. How suprisingly agile it is, how long it can run, etc. Nothing can kill you unless you're bad or you let the thing hunting you actually kill you.

That being said, deino shouldn't be fighting stegos at all, but when we consider that it's the only thing that can actually kill them, there is alot of questionable design choices here for sure.

Personally I'm still in favour of scaling back the silly Croc and the silly spikey boi for a future update and replacing them with Kentro and bary respectively, Kentro would absolutely be viable in regards to the current roster without being unkillable. Bary would be an opportunistic hunter in the same vein as deino, but be more viable for the roster and actually can interact with the current roster alot more than deino can, whilst also being considerably less braindead

[minor yarrow]

You're doing a lot of assuming

[sudden hinge]

Not really I know how deinos work and stegos and if you play a deino properly you’ll never die to a stego because e you shouldn’t be hunting one

Like stego isn’t op because you can’t hunt it

Deino isn’t meant to

[sudden hinge]

Op is used completely wrong if it was op it would chase every other playable down and make it impossible to survive stego doesn’t do that

[minor yarrow]

Yo I feel that, we just have no follow up and when 4 of us are latched onto we need to be able to do something else. Also Deinosuchus are like the same size as a t Rex or we're supposed to be. Stegas legit wreck Deinosuchus but we've killed them before. Rn there's a deino stega war

[sudden hinge]

Deino isn’t meant to hunt stego

Literally if you can’t lunge it you shouldn’t hunt it unless it’s in the water swimming

[sudden hinge]

This has no validity with game balance deinos can only lunge 4 ton animals and are terrible on land in combat therefore stego wins you shouldn’t be crawling out of your element to fight something it’s not playing the animal correctly

These images mean literally nothing when it comes to game balance

[icy lion]

Especially since the 2nd one isn't a rex

[sudden hinge]

Yeah I’m pretty sure that second image is an albertosaurus

[icy lion]

Currently deino's lunge only works on targets 4 tons or less, which means its intended prey range is 4 tons or less

That said, I'd want the mechanic expanded once our roster starts receiving animals in that range

[sudden hinge]

I can do it to lol

[sudden hinge]

Yeah I can agree on that maybe make the lunge more tug of war based or something of that nature for larger animals

But I still think deino being a mid tier menace is pretty nice for it

[cyan flame]

No, you're no longer supposed to be "same size" as rex. And you can't "latch on" to a stego, it's too big to grab. You can however still lunge it, and stun it. Which can be used to fight it, even on land, given you have the numbers and coordination needed. Aside from that, if you had the numbers in your post, then well, you need to work on how you approach the combat, simples as that.

[faint folio]

Yeah I'm confused. You can't latch onto a stego as a deino right now, and even if you could, 4 of you can't do it at once. The way lunge works atm, you can only grab something if it weighs less than 1/2 your deino's weight; otherwise it stuns you and does nothing. And if one player grabs a dino, another deino can't also grab the dino at the same time

Baby stegos can be lunged and carried, but adults can't be lunged and grabbed (as Erik said though, in groups you can coordinate lunge to stun the stego)

[rare fractal]

I'd never want deinos, even in groups, to be able to drag heavier targets tho, I imagine the attack limitation primarily exists because of how insanely unfair it'd be to those larger playables that demand a massive time sink and investment to procure to have all of that destroyed because 2 deinos lunge you at the same time, which is logistically VERY similar if not equally as difficult as lunging any other target normally...it's not really adding any additional conditions aside from the existence of another deino, which can't really be prevented or accounted for by those larger targets because they physically can't dodge or perceive you unless water clarity as a system is actually made, not that many critters can anyway.

[limber hull]

Yea, honestly, deino should seriously stay in its lane when it comes to its niche

It's a hyper-effective ambush small-game hunter

People seem to underestimate how powerful it truly is against animals smaller than itself

Just because it's apex-tier does not automatically mean it should be an apex killer

Ideally, it'd be okay at brawling away an apex, but not capable of doing its instant kill lunge thing on a fullgrown rex because it had buddies

[rare fractal]

That's why I've always wanted a landlocked charge bite that can't be used when travelling forward...

Something that blocks incoming damage from the front, can act as a powerful deterrent, and only has utility when retreating

[limber hull]

Yea, 100%, a charge bite would be perfect on Deino

Not only as a "get the hell away from me" display, but punishment if you don't heed the warning

Also, Deino being able to walk backwards (albeit very slowly) would work well for its design

[rare fractal]

Ideally I'd want all the animals to be able to do that eventually, it should just be apart of basic movement, but deino kinda NEEDS it

[limber hull]

I don't think (personally) all animals should be allowed to walk backwards, because that creates a nightmare where you have to rebalance every animal for that, but animals that make sense to do that are fine imho

[rare fractal]

If it's only at a pace of a Z walk there shouldn't be any rebalancing necessary

[limber hull]

Ceratopsians and deino seem like two animals that perfectly fit the need to walk backwards

Ceratopsians want to aim the ouchie end at the opponent and deino wants to drag things

Honestly, I'd love deino to have a charge bite with a TON of raw damage and blunt damage for fractures, along with bleed, because that is an excellent deterrent and an attack that hinders your opponent from following you as you retreat to safety

Any foe will see the charge and know what's happening, it's up to them how they want to act

[rare fractal]

I can't see bleed being at all necessary, fractures and raw for sure but deino benefits very little from applying a long term status effect that doesn't effect movement

Like giving it high bleed seems like "Well lets throw it on cuz why not"

[limber hull]

It's a bite with sharp teeth, that's the only reason I included bleed

Doesn't make sense for basic bite to bleed but not big one

Bleed wouldn't be particularly staggering

I really do like the idea of a hyper-territorial deino that gets pissy if you're big and near its water source, scaring off its food

[rare fractal]

Well I think it makes sense that both do bleed, but I don't think either should do any significant amount, so yeah we agree there

[rare fractal]

Yeah same that's the vibe I always wished it had

The angry fat trash can

Cerato of the "apexes" basically

[limber hull]

basically, yea

it's got so much in common with cera too

it's a bully, it can eat basically anything because it can't throw up and crocs have a stomach of steel, it's remarkably resilient and difficult to kill, so on

[rare fractal]

Tbf I'm not sure how sturdy cera is REALLY gonna be, especially with how much running away it's doing in the concept arts, hopefully it'll have a similar feel tho

[rare fractal]

Not to mention an absurd resilience to bleed (flashbacks to ceratorex)

[limber hull]

i honestly hope cera also inherits some bleed resist

a bully like him is more than likely going to get into tussles with a lot of bleed, due to his love to pick fights with carnivores, rather than herbivores

[rare fractal]

Yeah as it currently stands I can see omni's demolishing ceras rather handily, alone or otherwise, so we'd have to see.

[minor yarrow]

Yes you can, when you do the pounce right click thrust you latch onto them. Latching is not the same as "holding them in your mouth"

Anyways moving onward, so this is how large I'd say the in game Deinosuchus is right now. It's about the size of Brutus from Australia, he eats bull sharks out of spite cuz of his lost arm

[sudden hinge]

You can’t latch onto a stego

[minor yarrow]

Bro I do it all the time

[sudden hinge]

It’s not a thing you can’t latch onto adult stegos

[minor yarrow]

👌

[sudden hinge]

And if you latch with the lunge you’d have the whole stego in your mouth anything else is not a thing

On top of that deino in game is 8 tons

It is not the size of a saltie

[minor yarrow]

No. That's not what the word latch means, I'm not arguing with you over this and especially not in this channel. Stop the baiting

[sudden hinge]

I’m not baiting you can’t latch onto a stego like what are you talking about

It’s not a mechanic

For deino

You lunge forward and slam your face into the stego and stun both of you that’s it

You don’t hold onto the stego at all

[proud coral]

Apparently the Deino is stunned longer than the Stego in this case, which I find odd.

[sudden hinge]

It is odd but I usually can make it back in the water just fine

[minor yarrow]

yes, yes you are lmao

[sudden hinge]

So your completely misusing latch if that’s what your talking about

Becuase the stun that occurs happens from your lunge

[minor yarrow]

my phone just died... but anyways we're about the same size as Brutus right now. He's not the biggest croc out there either and I'm not saying to make the Deinosuchus 100% to scale but we are a lot larger than Brutus naturally. It'd also be really cool if maybe we have a follow up attack for larger pray we can't "hold in our mouths" like sort of a death roll type thing

[sudden hinge]

It’s no where near that size what are you talking about in game deino is way bigger

Like I feel like you gauge scale wrong

[proud coral]

I wish it was smaller ;-;

[sudden hinge]

It’s like huge

Idk where your getting it’s a salty sized animal

[minor yarrow]

Nah you know what. You just tell the Devs all the feedback and how the game should play out. Who cares about what anyone else has to say about anything

[sudden hinge]

Dude it’s just your feedback doesn’t make sense that’s it

[minor yarrow]

Ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. Go, you make all the suggestions and feedback. You got that bro

[sudden hinge]

Like the biggest thing is you aren’t taking balance into factor at all and just want an op croc

[minor yarrow]

They should put one of roles "Admin of Deterring Player Interaction and Suggestions"

[sudden hinge]

Like right now deino is completely fine

You should be prepared to defend your feedback. That’s why there is a feedback discussion

[minor yarrow]

I don't need to defend my feedback, you're just here to argue over nothing brah.

[sudden hinge]

Like people always debate and discuss feedbacks in here.

[minor yarrow]

You can latch onto larger targets, you both are stunned, you're stunned longer and Deinosuchus is the size of Brutus

[sudden hinge]

No I’m arguing against your feedback which is completely fine to do lol

It’s not a latch you are literally sitting there stunned next to the stego you don’t have your jaws on it and no it’s not

[minor yarrow]

Well I don't want to "debate" with you, I want to leave some feedback, watch some TV. I'm 28 years old almost 30 im not feeding into this bait

[sudden hinge]

Deino is far larger than Brutus what is this coming from

[sudden hinge]

How is it bait when we are discussing the games balance

It’s not bait you are utilizing the words wrong again. I’m discussing the game

I’m not trolling at all

[minor yarrow]

Find someone else to argue with, your bantering and bickering over your stalwart one sided opinion has completely ruined the experience for me and I don't think I'm going to ever leave feedback again

It doesn't make sense, it's all wrong, i'm just delusional and don't understand anything, so you make all the suggestions. Thank you.

[sudden hinge]

I will man seeing as this convo is somehow attacking you personally which is weird for someone with your life experience be good it’s a game

[minor yarrow]

7/10 Deinos survived

Good ol' brutus (sorry im just not one for arguing, i've done enough arguing in my life)

[sudden hinge]

okay so why say things and expect no one to challenge what you say tho

like espically when you state our deino is the size of a saltwater croc and that is obviously not true

[minor yarrow]

you're challenging for the sake of challenging

[sudden hinge]

im not tho you are blatantly saying something not true when you say that

[minor yarrow]

there's no real merit for your motivation, you are jumping at the opportunity whether it's justified or not

[sudden hinge]

no im not im literally stating the facts of the game like deino is much larger than a saltwater croc

[minor yarrow]

No i'm not, there's an animation at the end of "the stun" that simulates you letting go

[sudden hinge]

and me defending that fact isnt jumping at the chance

[minor yarrow]

I'm not biting your bait

[sudden hinge]

its not tho like you literally are standing next to the stego

[minor yarrow]

im not anywhere near the stego

[sudden hinge]

you are not holding onto it if that was the case you would do bleed or damage which you dont

[sudden hinge]

im talking about the animation not you specifically

im not baiting

like its weird you keep saying that when i contest your claims

[minor yarrow]

Gustave the Maneater

We're as big as Gustave and Brutus and they ain't even the biggest. The really big and old ones hibernate under the mud during the dry seasons

[sudden hinge]

We are not these are false claims

Gustav at most is like 1.5-2 tons deino in game is 8 tons and 40ft long

Like this is what I mean tho why say this when it’s not true

[minor yarrow]

You're gunna have a rough time in life kid you keep believing yourself and denouncing what everyone else says or think

[sudden hinge]

It’s not a matter of believing tho like these are blatant false claims about the animal in game

[minor yarrow]

Sometimes it's not about "Idc what people think of me, i like these shoes", it's more about "Man, everyone says the same thing about these shoes, there must be something wrong with the shoes"

[proud coral]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-funny-seinfeld-george-leaving-gif-11196809

[sudden hinge]

But that’s not what’s happening here

[minor yarrow]

You'll learn one day, I used to be like you

[sudden hinge]

Like the deino is much larger

[icy lion]

People are allowed to disagree with your opinions. You are not allowed to belittle them for doing so

[minor yarrow]

I am not belittling anyone, if anything he belittled me

I'm just trying to explain that just because he disagrees doesn't mean that what I'm saying is "a lie" "false" "me not understanding information in front of me" "unable to perceive the scale". What i've been trying to tell him is i don't want anything to do with his conversation or debate but i keep falling for it cuz i don't want to be disrespectful even if i was the one disrespected

But now that you've said something, i've taken the bait after all

[sudden hinge]

I didn’t say you lied tho I said that the deino in game is larger than that stat wise and just model wise

Like nothing I’ve said has been baiting from what I’ve seen you just don’t want me to disagree with your claim

[proud coral]

It should've been D.rugosus like originally planned

[sudden hinge]

I’m fine with deino we have but if it was bigger it’d be whatever

[minor yarrow]

lmao, idk either way i don't think im leaving feedback anymore tho

[sudden hinge]

I mean if you aren’t willing to discuss it with people that disagree that might be the best

[minor yarrow]

We can have Mecha-Stegasaurus w/ Giant Velociraptors with wings and i don't think im even gunna say anything ;p hahaha cheers ;P. It's gunna be funny when T-rex just chills in the river eating us even tho we're supposed to be roughly the same size as they are and can't run away cuz it's too shallow or something, and all we can do is be ankle biters and stun ourselves ;P

[sudden hinge]

I don’t think a rex will fight deinos in deep water but deino isn’t really a brawler it’s an ambush predator

You shouldn’t use lunge when fighting large animals that you can’t drown

[proud coral]

See this is another reason Deino should've stayed at D.rugosus size; people would quit treating it like a Rex fighter.

It was even in the mid-tier section on the og roadmap

But for some odd reason, they upsized it to D.hatcheri because.....

[sudden hinge]

Yeah I can see that but I mean I think it works where it’s at fairly well

Like as long as you play it correctly

[minor yarrow]

idk, it's not about the fighting... unless a stegasaurus wants to have a fight or another Deino all i'm saying is that they would and could eat a T-Rex

[minor yarrow]

I've been apart of a lot of Stega fights and i've helped kill* at least like 5 Stegas in my play time but oh boy does it take like an hour to two hours of non-stop back and forth @proud coral

[icy lion]

They lived about 10 million years apart afaik

They coexisted with earlier, smaller tyrannosaurids

[sudden hinge]

Like albertosaurus I believe and another one I can’t remember the name of

[minor yarrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lJOMAkfQRE I can see your PoV

[icy lion]

Huh?

[minor yarrow]

This is a pretty good watch tho, i fell in love with these crocs

When i went to flordia as a kid an alligator crawled up the canal slope to get in my gpa's backyard and we stared at each other through the slider window... You know Alligator's actually have a "smile", he was so "happy" to see me hahahaha ;P but yo that's a really good video

And you're right tho there is some time loops and of the sorts, plus to have an actual full sized Deinosuchus in that river would be ridiculous. Gustave/Brutus versions are decent, especially for the depth in some of the rivers

[icy lion]

I'm sorry but I don't know what you're talking about

[sudden hinge]

deino is 8 tons in game

[icy lion]

Our deinosuchus is 11.5m in game according to some developer comments, it's pretty large

[icy lion]

Yea, that's a fact for IRL deinosuchus. The in-game one is actually pretty close in size

[minor yarrow]

i don't disagree that it's big but

it feels more like a Brutus and a Gustave size than anything

[sudden hinge]

but its not because the animals our deino is around are dinosaurs

that are heavier than those crocs

[icy lion]

That may just be due to the fact our stego is very big as well

It's also using some of the largest estimates we have irl

[minor yarrow]

It generally could be that it's hard to get a perfect 1 for 1 with real measurements so i suppose i guess

and im not comparing its size to the Stega tho... nvm

It's alright it's alright nvm

I "must be thinking" of Deinosuchus Riograndensis or something ;p

[low canopy]

well that was interesting to read

[zealous stone]

Pretty sure D Hatcheri was a bit bigger than the one in game.

Even then it's still big enough that seeing it get bodied by the oversized Spino just doesn't seem right.

[burnt bone]

@queen ember I’m not gonna lie, what you described there is basically the purpose of nesting.

Except without all the extra effort to find a pair and build a nest

[queen ember]

True

Though nesting you’ll get rewarded for doing so with perks while this system is just something for those who are spawning in

[limber hull]

@maiden anvil we JUST got info on migrations

"Species will have different areas that they will migrate to, to find their food. So let's say you're a Pachy and your active migration zone is the coast, all of your food will be found at the coast. When it comes time to migrate elsewhere, your diet will automatically change to needing the types of food that are found within your new migration spot"

"We're still working on it right now, but the plan is that migration zones won't swap frequently, as we want to give people adequate time to hang out in whatever zone they're in. Basically give people downtime."

"Where you migrate to is based on your species. Which helps regulate the packing of certain troublesome species combinations, as they'd find themselves without any useful sustenance."

[maiden anvil]

Yo that is great to hear actually!

[sudden hinge]

who said this this is awexsome!

[limber hull]

Punch

[sudden hinge]

dope

[sacred yacht]

@minor yarrow If 10 Deinos cant kill a stego yall suck. Check out GMV Gaming on Youtube, he solos Stegos all the time

[limber hull]

@blissful helm people can and will paint unfavourable imagery on their animal

[blissful helm]

didn't think about that lol

[limber hull]

the amount of... unsavoury symbols you'd see would be uncomfortable to say in the least

[icy lion]

And slurs

You cannot give people in an online game free access to un-moderatable text options

[urban flax]

Also dinos have patterns for a reason
You don't see dotted zebras or striped cheetahs

[jovial otter]

Well. King cheetahs are striped and there's spotted zebras, both are rare mutations (cheetah one is due to the genetic bottleneck for sure, and the zebra one usually makes it a target for predation)

But generally yeah they have the same or similar patterns for a reason. Rare mutations aside. Might be better fitting for the dinos to have a couple pattern options like the difference in a jaguar vs cheetah vs leopard, instead of tiger vs lion vs cheetah. One still looks similar enough, the others are definitely different animals

[urban flax]

If people can paint on their dinos then there is no pattern left at all

[jovial otter]

There was a game that had brushes to customize their animal, but it was pre-patterned. Could do something like that tbh

Instead of 2 preset skins with 5 layers, could make it able to choose preset layers.
Layer 1 is male marking, with options A B and C.
Layer 2 is back marking, A B and C
Etc

If they give skins as rewards for nesting or other stuff, it would be easy to just add a D option to that. Either a new pattern, or a special colored pattern

[blissful helm]

i mean that's kinda what i thought of

[minor yarrow]

i've killed a decent chunk of stegos

idk why people just see what they want to see

[cyan flame]

@minor yarrowBut your post is saying that stegos are indestructible, that you got plenty of deinos and you can't make this one stego leave, and so on. And now you're saying you've killed stegos, which would imply that you know stegos can be killed and as such, there shouldn't be an issue. So what exactly is your post supposed to say then?

[minor yarrow]

you clearly haven't read the discussion then to make the assumption that im just saying it now

[cyan flame]

No I haven't read up on everything, was there something important up there then? I did see some argument about the ingame size of the deino, which I'm not sure relates to your post all that much. Again, your post claims you're struggling with stegos and then I see you saying you've killed a bunch of them, that seems a bit contradictory. Aside from that, you're making some claims about deino that I don't know if they're accurate to how it works or will work in game.

[minor yarrow]

i've also moved on from this, i honestly don't care about it anymore. It is what it is, Deinosuchus stun themselves when lunging against larger prey and a lot of other issues

the game can stay how it is, the way it is. I ain't even ever pointing out anything ever again. I'd appreciate if y'all would stop pinging me over it

[cyan flame]

Well yes, they're not meant to hunt larger prey as it stands. But the lunge also stuns the target, which can be used by another deino for free hits.

[minor yarrow]

I've moved on to a different game and modding

[cyan flame]

Well, best of luck to you then!

[nimble nebula]

A stretch or yawn animation for Dino’s like Utah that plays after sitting for a while would be nice

[proven river]

Who's gonna tell him

[pine badge]

@urban bear
As much as this would be a great thing on paper, such a concept could easily be abused by someone who could be a spy for another group telling them who's vulnerable and who's not, and even be easily exploitable for secret cannibals in the group and they could target those who are low health.

[proven river]

^

[urban bear]

Everything in the game is exploitable to some extent, you just have to get over it and realize most servers wouldn’t allow that

Mixpacking is far worse then somebody looking at your health bar

You could also have to use some type of invite to view stats so you can only allow people who you really trust to view your current stats

[chilly ermine]

I think ptera is basically this all the time for those that do that kind of thing.

[minor yarrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6k8FjzazD0

[viral finch]

@stoic quartz a 𝙄𝙣𝙘𝙤𝙢𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙁𝙞𝙭𝙚𝙨 - 𝙏𝙖𝙗 will be better.
More groups will make discord even more confusing than already is.
............................................................................................
As what weed need to know is which 𝗳𝗲𝗲𝗱𝗯𝗮𝗰𝗸 are being forwarded rather than taken apart for extra discuss

[uneven mist]

@alpine prairie

[alpine prairie]

dam i forgot , wasnt this like 6 months ago

[uneven mist]

5 months ago yes

[ionic crystal]

Anyone know why my pc keeps shutting off when I try to play any game

[jovial hazel]

That may serve you better typed into a google search.

[frosty willow]

radiation is actually crazy

[sudden hinge]

Yeah tbh this has nothing to do with feedback discussion

Better asked in like offtopic

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr you've basically described the plan for gen 2

(also gen 2 is no longer referred to as mercenaries since it doesn't match with their actual gameplay purpose anymore)

devs are leaning heavily into human survival and horror elements, with a great deal of underpreparation and vulnerability as a core part of their gameplay

the goal isn't to find guns, kill dinos and escape, it's very focused on survival

[barren zephyr]

oh i didn't know that

nice to know

[jade brook]

@chilly ermine like many other suggestions of that kind, this punishes self-defense against those canni even more.
Imagine, you manage to successfully kill your attacker(s), maybe they were smaller, maybe they were just bad, whatever....
Then not only they can find you again and target you more easily and harass, others will think you are a canni and might want to kill you for it.
You might say "it was in self defense" but you know every canni are gonna use the same excuse.

[chilly ermine]

Those are good points. Wouldn’t that be a coding/mechanic issue? I don’t know anything about coding but if the game marked the first to attack as the aggressor then the victim wouldn’t be marked, bypassing that issue.

@barren zephyr is there any info out there about the aspects of humans? I haven’t seen anything about them looking for gear to escape.

[cyan flame]

@zealous violetYou know pressing/holding E does nothing when grabbed by a deino, right?

[jovial hazel]

Holding E while grabbed by a deino actually does nothing. 😂

[zealous violet]

Your supposed to thrash and struggle tho when holding E.

Its supposed to work like how bucking works.

[icy lion]

No

You automatically struggle

[jovial hazel]

Yeah, somehow people started that as a thing.. but it's not an actual thing.

[icy lion]

Placebo effect

[zealous violet]

Mrrrrrgh placebos

Maybe its something they can add into it for the future?

Lemme go edit my suggestion then.

[limber hull]

idk why they'd add that in the future

an automatic struggle is much more understandable since you aren't doing anything

having to press E to not drown makes it that little bit harder for new players

its like having to press E to break free from a pin. Unlike bucking, where you can perform other actions like movement, combat and other things besides bucking, in the situation a deino takes you, having it automatically struggle free makes perfect sense, since you have zero other options

[stoic quartz]

i feel like you misunderstood the reasoning within my suggestion and took things out of context or your reply makes little sense to me.

My suggestion follows what many other games or private isle servers do on their own discords with very good results by allowing players to use the discord more efficiently to communicate with admins when needed without having it lumped in with everything else or with each other for the most common specific needs and improve their in game experience.

[zealous violet]

Its because just sitting there staring at the screen as you auto thrash is frustrating and you feel useless just watching yourself die. With a button you feel like your actually doing something and its way less frustrating when you die to have felt like you were still able to fight back even just a little.
That and sometimes you want to feed yourself to deinos and if you have an option to not thrash via not holding E then all the better for the deino ending you.

And considering bucking is holding down E, it would make sense that the same button is applied for roughly the same situation. Something has a hold of you and so you hold E to remove it to the best of your abilities.

Having a visual like your screen shaking or something is also rather cathartic.

Cuz like, when a deino grabs you normally its kinda like, welp, guess I'll just get up and walk away from the computer now since theres nothing I can do and im dead already.

[viral finch]

Why is that better than an 𝙄𝙣𝙘𝙤𝙢𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙁𝙞𝙭𝙚𝙨 - 𝙏𝙖𝙗 ?

[stoic quartz]

Incoming fixes has absolutely nothing to do with what I was suggesting. Fixes is an admin centered channel not something user centered so they can feel the admins actually give a flying fig about their current users that are having many issues on a daily basis and are being largely ignored.

[viral finch]

I understand. But, (if I'm not wrong) admins can communicate easily through any of the channels, but we are supposed to get their returned feedback through "stream announcements" tab/or youtube news. (if not directly some where)
I mean, clearly they wont have time to chat feedback us regularly to attend every single victim from an issue. (We barely get updates every 6 month)
...............................................
I say this because you literally said ❞𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗵𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝗯𝗲 𝗮𝗻 𝘂𝗻𝘀𝘁𝘂𝗰𝗸 𝗰𝗵𝗮𝘁❞ I just can get this as sarcasm, because it will not target the problem we are having (𝑢𝑛𝑎𝑤𝑎𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑠𝑝𝑎𝑚 𝑜𝑛 𝑢𝑛𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑐𝑘 𝑟𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑠 - between other else repetitive feedback).

[icy lion]

Admins are not developers. Mother_Rain is asking for a channel specifically for users to ping the official server admins in

They aren't asking for the developers to personally respond to/hotfix every situation where someone can get stuck, they're making a suggestion to split the server channels ( #evrima-na, #evrima-eu, etc.) into a chatting channel and an assistance request channel

[viral finch]

Like if I get stuck, I ask for help over there (is this like, maybe?) I'm trying to understand

[icy lion]

If you get stuck on an official server, you can contact our official server admins in the #evrima-na or #evrima-eu channels. Rain is suggesting that a new channel is made for those requests, because those channels are also for regular chats and discussions

[viral finch]

Does people get "unstuck" through those channels or are admins able to unstuck them?

[icy lion]

Our admins get people unstuck in the game, but they have to first be notified in this Discord

It's not an automated process

[viral finch]

In that case is good to know. Because is not obvious. (even it is just dealing with the problem and not solving it). The why request of button will still be valid although repetitive.
Fortunately the game is fun enough to start over.

[stoic quartz]

i have pointed out you are not understanding a large issue i am trying to address that affects many players and is causing a very bad tension between players and discord admins.

[stoic quartz]

thank you for explaining

[viral finch]

and thank You for replying. And trying to explain.

[stoic quartz]

you also have a valid point but it is an entirely separate issue.

[viral finch]

yes, i completely misunderstood.
I was not aware admins can handle players directly, And I miss-though, like you were "mocking up" from the repetitive requesters.
My apologise

[stoic quartz]

you are a big person to admit making a mistake, I admire it and think you also have a valid idea. and it was not mocking, dozens of people seem to get stuck on a daily basis if you watch just the na chat and very few get prompt help and their requests get lost in a wash of other thoughts, complaints and people trying to play a game and it leaves users feeling slighted by the admins here so a couple more admins to help and a designated chat where people can see that others are indeed being helped can help with the unrest people are feeling.

[viral finch]

🤝 ✅

[runic steppe]

Stop asking for optimization it’s redundant and unhelpful

The devs know they have this issue and it just drives attention away from actually productive feedback

[rare glade]

I know that Some time ago, It was said that you want players to use the Shoreline more. I wonder about adding Schooling fish to the Ocean and if that would help bring Ptradactyls ther and keep them around. Or make them more likely to nest on the shore. I have also noticed that unfortunately the Nightvision penitrates the seawater really well. 😦 I like trying to play a Deino in Saltwater. It adds an extra challenge to it. But the constant need for fresh water is a problem.

I also wonder if there could be a mechanic for the Dieno to adapt to salt water. I know that Some modern Reptiles can do it.

[distant osprey]

#general-feedback message

Dude literally. I spent some time yesterday as a Utah being adopted by a tenno, a pachy and two dryos. They helped me grow to adult but every now and then, I spiked from 100-ish to 500 ping until the game finally crashed. It was mostly whenever we got near other players or ai.

[uneven mist]

Mix packers🤨

[sudden hinge]

Ew mixpacking

[faint folio]

That's your problem with the post? Not the 500 ping spike? 😅

I don't like mixpacking either, but between complaining about mixpacking and lag spikes that make the game unplayable for everyone... Yeah the latter is more important

[jovial hazel]

Mixpackers deserve 500 ping. 🙂

[sudden hinge]

Yeah mixpackers deserve 2 fps and 1000 ping

[gritty terrace]

@tired narwhal that amount of camouflage will likely be reserved for the strains

[gritty terrace]

@viral finch I am personally not a fan of alt feather skins because, it will completely change the silhouette of the dinosaur. rather than giving Alt skins I just think overall feathering more of the dinos that can have feathers makes more sense and would make more of the unique

[viral finch]

you personally 👍 understandable

[gritty terrace]

it feels like it would just make more of the dinos blend together even more if you know what I mean

[viral finch]

they don't like feather tho. So don't be afraid

It's a divided community about feathers

[gritty terrace]

well they do, so far besides omni but thats its own thing looks like everything that should have feathers will have feathers besides gali and a few select others

like austro is getting feathers and utah

[viral finch]

Troodon would look cool with feathers. But it is just my opinion

[viral finch]

amen

[gritty terrace]

hm that is fair, troodon I kinda see since it is meant to be part blue ringed octopus, those colors on feathers I think would not look the best

[viral finch]

I really just want they add anky and ceratopsian.
But i just wanted to say something else. (seeing if i'm not banned lol)

[gritty terrace]

I fell like the feathers would clash

[gritty terrace]

I hope they add dibble soon 😭

and anky is apex tier.... and might be an apex killer honestly, so it will be a fat minute for anky

[viral finch]

we hope, hehe

[gritty terrace]

~~new studies show anky can pulverize bone ~~

like anky could smash a decent sized tree in half

irl it would 1 shot you if it hit you most places lmao

but Im guessing it will be balanced to make sense

[viral finch]

I fell like a bit bored in the game already ☹️ so I really they add different stuff .
I have other games of course.

[gritty terrace]

well the bigg issue isnt mechanics its playables

#general-feedback message

[viral finch]

I'm an herbivore fan. But I recognize they are kind of easy pick. Carnis have a thougher life

[gritty terrace]

that is what I said about the playables

for the past year we have only gotten 1 dino that is it

now with night vision, gore for next update AND legacy ports they should come out with a lot more playables personally

the game actually has a decent foundation now

[viral finch]

yes

i also can't believe the game load without loading screen 5 years later lol

[gritty terrace]

yeah its weird

[viral finch]

but its in good road

[gritty terrace]

to be fair it hasn't been the biggest thing

[viral finch]

I'm not a developer so I may not know the process .
But small patches will keep the communities in fresh air.

[gritty terrace]

@humble charm stephalos is right snakes don't do that

https://tenor.com/view/snake-drink-thirsty-cute-water-gif-16181446

it just shoves its face in water and drinks

and I would actually prefer this a lot than a lot of the current drinking animations

[viral finch]

True. I did cried about drinking animation once as well tho
But no tongue in that one

.

[humble charm]

same... although it would be cool to have the toung come out haha

some snakes do tho!

[viral finch]

maybe testing the temperature ? I think their tongue don't work as spoom

[humble charm]

thats true...

lemme look it up! although yall are right that it would be better if they just shoved their face underwater

[viral finch]

yeah. I would like that

[barren zephyr]

@full pewter there is rly to much naked ones but , utah would finally chanced and another utah or velo will come with feathers , beipi have feathers , oviraptor and herrera i think.

theri have also much feathers

[viral finch]

I think you tried to pin me instead

[uneven mist]

Herrera dosent have feathers btw

[uneven mist]

Here are the feathered Dino’s hypsi, ovi, beipi, (maybe Omni, velo, Utah, dilo, Gali) theri, cherry

[jagged jewel]

@maiden anvil you can do that by just incentivising animals not to live in any group bigger than a pair

make them need a LOT of food, make the food they need drain quick, etc

make them need a rarer item of food

so on

[reef light]

Denio couldn’t be able to eat, if they drink on top of the water, So the drinkin they have for it is possible so that crocs can eat in the water

[viral finch]

Hello, What you are referring to?

[reef light]

The croc

[viral finch]

yeah, but what did I said?

[reef light]

I know they sit outside, the water by popping out their head and drinking the water

[viral finch]

What are we discussing? because I'm a little lost. Sorry

[viral finch]

Oh

I think you referr to croc being able to drink inside water ?

[viral finch]

.

https://tenor.com/view/hello-marketeros-hello-hello-mk-marketeros-gif-23167600

Well. Good morning from here in any case.
I will assume is the croc drinking offshore.

[reef light]

@viral finch is ur English good?

[viral finch]

yes, I want to think I do

[reef light]

lmao

Lets head to #offtopic-discussion

[viral finch]

But what is the text you are targeting. from me

(i have said many thing lol)

[hollow vault]

@somber wraith have you ever not seen a fish jump out of water

https://tenor.com/view/gold-fish-jump-gif-14873558

[barren zephyr]

@small anchor Saw your idea, and I was thinking about this when about to post my first suggestion, but I decided not to:

Maybe Maia has a easier to use para kick from legacy as its alt, or a claw slash like Teno could be good, I like your idea of the bite though

[tall hearth]

If we're toying around with the idea that maia should still have similar speed to what it had it legacy, it could be more of a body rammer. If something tries attacking its side it could have like a sideways body shove to stumble or trip a dino trying to keep up and attack its sides. It's a unique idea, kind of like in one of the dinos concept arts (I think its diablos) that crushes a pounced utah against the ground by rolling over on its side.

Maia could use its mass to protect itself from smaller threats and its speed to flee from larger ones

[barren zephyr]

no , i pinned the right one lol

or wrong

omg wrong one xDDD

@viral finch yea i mean you sry

[tall hearth]

I can see it still having a back kick as it's still shouldn't be too large to kick behind it, but only while trotting/walking/standing. While running it could have an alternate ability (bound to the same keys) that uses the tail to turn sharper.

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, or like a directional alt (sort of like stegos swing where you have to aim it using your mouse) and you hit something to your side

[viral finch]

xd

https://tenor.com/view/ross-geller-its-all-good-gif-21343721

[small anchor]

I didnt mention Maia to do kicks since i thought it was not mean to, also it was more heavy than teno i guess?..
Also didnt mention claw slash since i think Maia's claws are not like the tenonto's claws that these end in spikes when Maia's doesn't

iirc, Maia's claws look more like hooves? And doesn't ends in spikes, i mean i dont think that is something that could do a really bleed damage

idk, correct me if im wrong

also i like the para kick

[barren zephyr]

Ah okay, I thought maia claws were more teno like

[small anchor]

https://www.google.com/search?q=maiasaura+claws&rlz=1C1CHBF_esAR993AR993&sxsrf=ALiCzsYTjxxNlG6q9XQd0jAOooS3lcULfQ:1666624570925&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiIipislPn6AhXcr5UCHbR3BlgQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=969&dpr=1#imgrc=aZmKYOfsHMoZ3M

Those images looks like hooves and not uh, "bleeder claws"

[limber hull]

I'll be honest, the "gay dinosaur" suggestion is really odd to me. You can already take care of a parentless child as two male dinosaurs, there's nothing stopping you from feeding a hatchling, regardless of if its genetically yours or not, as for the female one, just seems like a way to completely bypass the courting system (and you've only used a single very niche case species as an example of this breeding type)

[scenic dew]

it's ok to be deinosuchusgay

[barren zephyr]

Alright, I just didn't know lol

[limber hull]

I don't care about the realism part, I'm not here to dispute that gay animals exist in the wild, I do want to point out that either you can already do what's suggested or the suggestion kind of just invalidates the need for gender diversity entirely, making females basically the only needed gender in whatever species has the whiptail lizard breeding type

[analog gull]

I like the nest stealing idea

but gay dinos is a bit too much

[tranquil steppe]

Can’t you already be gay? Without having to add so much confusion

[limber hull]

Not to mention this seems to broadly overemphasise how common gay relationships would be in the wild. Homosexuality is present within the wild, sure, but not to such a degree that it is commonplace to see homosexual relations between animals

[analog gull]

Exactly

[limber hull]

This too, it's already entirely possible

[tranquil steppe]

You can simply walk up to a juvi and be like “ u r mine now”

[analog gull]

HAHAHA

[limber hull]

You can literally just hang out with another male dinosaur and raise an orphaned child

For instance

[scenic dew]

nah man, people like labels on them

[limber hull]

There is no system in place that says two male dinosaurs cannot raise a child together

[tranquil steppe]

That’s very productive and helps out the community rather than bringing all this added stuff that will probably just confuse players

[barren zephyr]

Or give maia a directional leg kick in its back legs like horses do and it can be aimed using left or right click, or just aim using your mouse (again, like stego currently is for its tail swing)

[tranquil steppe]

I’ll continue to adopt babies as a male regardless of if I see the pairing thing in my profile data

[scenic dew]

been raising lil deino's as a strong independent deino dad all day

[inland torrent]

i doubt that would be useful because you can just hit the tailtip because the leg doesnt have enough reach

[limber hull]

The only thing that I found could be an interesting system is claiming an abandoned nest (be it a nest abandoned for reasons unknown or because you forcefully evicted the original parents), but I'd have that apply to all gendered couples, not just male on male

Hell, not even couples

[barren zephyr]

Yeah true, probably just a front kick similar to legacy para but easier to use would be best for maia, or just smth else idk

[limber hull]

A single dinosaur raising an abandoned nest by itself would be interesting

(although the chances of finding a nest of your own species type without parents seems slim at best)

[cunning jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/ridewithp-horse-gif-20970452

[analog gull]

someone deleted my feedback about fixing the lag problems lmao

[tranquil steppe]

Bro I had that happen to me as a Carno, walked up to a pair of nesting carnos and they just up and left me with their kids

[limber hull]

lmaooo

You see, these interactions don't need labels for them to happen, it's natural with the game itself

[tranquil steppe]

Yeah I had to deal with 3 not even yet juvi carnos and didn’t need a label

[limber hull]

"gay" parents will happen because of the dynamic nature of the game (mother dies and father gets another male to help raise young, for instance)

[tranquil steppe]

Sometimes I just group up with another of my gender because we don’t want to nest lol, it’s already in the game and I am completely fine and happy with it

[limber hull]

Exactly

[inland torrent]

i would give maia m1 bite mid dmg, m2 headbutt knda like alt bite in dmg (stam usage) and m1 alt a more tailwhip like tail attack which can stun something up to 1 ton over its size and bonebreak anything under 500kg (maybe lower dunknow) that would do the highest dmg (stam usage)

maybe the tailwhip a bit to op? the weight is more example like

[barren zephyr]

Well I was trying to avoid any real usage of its tail to kind of seperate it from teno, but I guess that could work

But I agree with the headbutt and the bite

[limber hull]

IDK, I think this suggestion wilfully looks past the fact that the game can easily already represent natural "homosexual" relations among the animals without it feeling forced and instead aims to label things that don't need to be labelled or complicate already simple systems.

[inland torrent]

keep in mind that just similar attacks doesnt mean its near exact, its heavier, slower (maybe), less agile and very likely has way less bleed

[limber hull]

I've seen a ton of unique and interesting styles of animal families in The Isle, such as a single male nesting with several females to create many nests and offspring, two adult females raising a single child, a male raising a child on its own, so on

[small anchor]

chill ey i also dont know maybe those images are not reality yk they can be fake, idrk..

[tall hearth]

Instead of a front kick it could have a shove. It could get a stance change like the devs have said is planned, and while on all 4s it could get a headbutt or a bite and if it's on its hind legs it could get a shove/push while moving and a stomp (that uses both its legs and chest) to crush small animals using its front after the animal has already been shoved to the ground. It'd be a similar mechanic to carnos ram in which the utah gets flattened before getting back up.

I may post a more in depth idea later today. I loved maia in legacy and just want to give it the justice it deserves lol

[small anchor]

ill read your post later

[copper prism]

I did tho :'(

[tall hearth]

That's if I do post it tho. I've got some ideas swirling around.

[copper prism]

Also I mainly decided to include my idea because of asexual reproduction and I'm obsessed with whiptail lizards. That was a concept in some jurraisc park stuff and I think it would be cool here as well considering from what I know of the lore these guys are also man made.

It wouldn't be a difficult mechanic to implement either I'd think, nor hard to understand. It would just be carrying about as normal really. hence why I didn't think it would be an issue.

[urban flax]

That's just not the point of the game

[copper prism]

I know. That's why I didn't suggest dinosaurs can carry gay flags and make out.

[urban flax]

But suggesting a set of mechanics specifically to promote gay nesting is pretty much the same thing

[copper prism]

It's not though. It's just another option

So far isle has been focused on giving options for gameplay styles

So might as well

[limber hull]

mechanically i just dont like the idea of completely invalidating males of a species

if all you need are females to give birth, why even spawn as a male besides a fancy colour?

[urban flax]

As wave said, a dino can already adopt abandoned children or group up and ERP with another dino of the same sex
No need to make mechanics for that

[limber hull]

Exactly, you can already raise a child as two male dinosaurs no problem

[copper prism]

Used to be like this before

[urban flax]

And it was changed

[limber hull]

And it sucked and I really like the newer version

I'd rather not have legacy nesting again

[copper prism]

And also I suggested genetic diversity as a downfall

[limber hull]

Asexual nesting defeats a lot of the point of new nesting and homosexual parenthood is already a very possible option (as long as you don't intend to start from nothing)

[urban flax]

This kind of thing might be interesting for a select few dinosaur species that have this as a gimmick
But not all of them

[crude girder]

Kinda hard to do when nothing ties into genetic diversity

[limber hull]

Also, considering how perks will be tied with nesting, being an asexual species may also put you at a disadvantage

[crude girder]

Existing sicknesses are all “you bit/got bit by something you shouldn’t have”

Seems like something better saved for a mod

[limber hull]

With no patriarch to inherit perks from, you're totally reliant on inheriting basically everything you can from your mother

[crude girder]

Especially since for species that use whiptail style reproduction, males are pretty much useless

To the point where for any of those species, you might as well not include them, as is the case with the irl representation

[limber hull]

Exactly

Males would basically be people who either are too stubborn or don't know how to switch or just REALLY want a display colour

[crude girder]

Imo if you really wanted to do same sex parenting, sequential hermaphroditism would be the way Id do it

Let a play swap between male and female as wanted to facilitate nesting

So 2 male players can temporarily become a male and female, lay the eggs, then swap back

[limber hull]

Honestly, having an animal capable of doing that could be more functionally interesting, although I'd only have it for one species

[crude girder]

Personally I’d make it a universal perk

Allow you to opt into it at the cost of some other thing

If you really want to just have a single female nest and raise the offspring, you can chase off or kill the male after mating

[copper prism]

This is a cool idea. I did think about that.

At the very least I think most agree we should be able to steal nests. Asexual reproduction I understand isn't really priority and might not work. But I think I should be able to walk up to some random dude, beat them up, and steal their home and babies

[lament ermine]

honestly so true

[modest remnant]

Issue with stealing someone's babies is that it's pretty likely they were part of a group specifically trying to play together, and the babies might just opt to respawn, unless your talking specifically about eggs that are incubating

[copper prism]

Incubating eggs. I suppose kinds like lions. Claim the territory, kill existing children, make your own babies.

Very vaugely like lions

[crude girder]

There’s also the concern of not knowing how far along the babies were, let alone the mechanical spaghetti that would result

Plus I feel if you wanted to steal babies, why not do so after they hatch?

Means you don’t have to incubate them, so you still get the fun part

Tho like Tyrant said, players who are being nested in likely won’t want to be raised by people who attack their own species like that

[modest remnant]

Lions do that to ensure that their own genes are passed on, and not another males. In this hypothetical that's not happening, since logically the kids wouldn't be yours genetically

[crude girder]

Since at the end of the day, we are not dealing with actual animals, players can and will have preferences on who they play with

[copper prism]

Ik I said vaugely.

[crude girder]

It feels more like an inverse of lions lol

Attacking the parents so you can raise unrelated children

Vs attacking the children so you can now breed with the parents

[copper prism]

I am trying to think of a better example but can't think of one off the top of my head

Other than gay penguins and such

[crude girder]

Personally, nest stealing seems like more trouble than it’s worth since you can just wait for the hatchlings to be incubated by the of parents and then steal them

Vs stealing the eggs so you can sit on them/grab sticks

[copper prism]

Hatchlings have opinions though.

[crude girder]

(Plus mechanically that would be a nightmare to implement based on how buggy nesting was in the first place)

[modest remnant]

My general thoughts on the suggestion though, are:

Am I against it? Not necessarily

Is it neat? Eh... that highly depends on the person in question, I'm betting a vast majority of people wouldn't really care either way

Is it "necessary for realistic nesting"? Absolutely not

[crude girder]

And they won’t question why two males/females are hatching them out with the dead bodies of players nearby?

Cause the host parents likely won’t abandon their nest without a fight to the death, as is isle player custom

[copper prism]

Probably not. I'd see it as free food. Or rouges

[crude girder]

Plus the game tracks who you are genetically related to, they would know those adults aren’t their parents

[modest remnant]

Probably because there's incredibly few examples of an animal actively ensuring the survival of offspring that are not related to it

As for penguins... they're not exactly shining pillars of parenthood

[copper prism]

Hence why I only mentioned gay dinosaurs.

Otherwise it wouldn't make much sense

[crude girder]

Given how readily hatchlings kill themselves over stuff like skins, I can’t imagine they would go “hmm, no chance of this going poorly” when they hatch to see their parents dead and unrelated adults at the nest, they may just log out in the egg

[copper prism]

Hm true

[crude girder]

On that topic, skins would be another dead giveaway that they aren’t your parents

If I hatch with a red and brown skin, and see two blue adults at the nest, something is wrong

Especially for herbivores

[copper prism]

Don't worry guys blue is the new red

[modest remnant]

I could see it working for like, a realism roleplay server, but there's nothing stopping that interaction from taking place in game already to my knowledge

[crude girder]

The thing stopping it is that the eggs need to hatch first

Unrelated adults cannot invite new players to a nest

[modest remnant]

Ah, right

Forgot about nest invites

[crude girder]

Thus the babies must already be accepted/in the process of hatching

[copper prism]

Ye

[crude girder]

Which now means there needs to be a system to claims nests, but if I’m being real, making a nest unclaimed would probably outright destroy the eggs

Way too messy otherwise

The debugging on that alone… that would take months

[copper prism]

If it's not a quick process than no thanks. There's more important stuff. But if it were to be fairly simple I stand by my suggestion.

[crude girder]

My final point is that fighting to raise babies doesn’t make as much sense as having helper adults

Babies take a lot of food to raise, more adults means less nutritional stress to each

So two males wanting to raise kids would only benefit from helping an already established pair, vs fighting them just to make their job harder

[copper prism]

Fair enough. I approve

[left umbra]

Is this like a general chat?

[icy lion]

This is for discussing posts shared in #general-feedback. For Isle-related chat, you can go to #isle-discussion. Otherwise, #offtopic-discussion would work

[scenic dew]

Why are people against an Asian/Russian server cluster?

[small anchor]

can you explain what is that?

[scenic dew]

basicly the same as an EU cluster, so a group

[pale crest]

I actually like the idea of homo sexual pairs when it comes to players who just want to be paired with someone they know who happens to be the same gender. Though they can straight up adopt juvies if they really want.

[scenic dew]

not sure how many people from that region play this game tho so not sure if it's " beneficial " - but makes their ping and communication easier

no idea why it has to be homosexual tho, could just be 2 bro's taking care of an small babbo

[pale crest]

That's just grouping-

Huh. Now that I think about it, that's what I just described.

But you know, you can pair with someone of the same gender

[scenic dew]

plus it removes the reason of having 2 genders in the game, not sure what future plans are for genders tho

[pale crest]

It doesn't really-

[scenic dew]

so males have different colors, maybe in the future they are able to get bigger as downside for not being able to have babbos

[pale crest]

Same sex pairs would just be the same courting mechanic as pairs of the opposite sex. Except the opposite sex pairs can produce an egg.

[scenic dew]

isnt that what we have now allready? or is it more like some role play aspect you want to add to the game?

[pale crest]

I mean it is already kind of a thing ingame if you just consider grouping. Except you can't see that you're pair bonded if it's with someone of the same sex.

[crude girder]

The only difference would be the ability to play the courtship animation and form a pair bond

mechanically, a same-sex pair bond would be basically 1:1 the same as grouping

so it would just boil down to allowing players to play the courtship animation for same-sex partners, since anything after that wouldn't be possible

[pale crest]

Just think it would be a convenient minor addition

[crude girder]

Would require a bit of a rework to how pairs can be formed, tho I think it might just be easier if pairs remain opposite sex only, but players have the option to use the courtship behaviours whenever

[scenic dew]

think you have to change stuff wich makes 0 difference in the end

[crude girder]

similar to how 2 call only forms a group within your species, but you can still 2 call other animals

so 2 females or 2 males could court one another, but it wouldn't form a pair bond

since mechanically a pair bond just represents fertile mating, allowing the production of eggs

that kinda cycles back around to letting players perform courtship calls or smth, a seperate suggestion

[pale crest]

Eh, I suppose you have a point?

[faint folio]

The idea was really interesting but I agree with hypernova. The pair bond mechanically functions as mating to allow egg laying, as, ya know... Actually animating that would probably bump the game's maturity rating a lot and would definitely be abused. But regardless of that specific mechanic, I do wish we could use courtship calls more than once per life... A lot of monogamous animals maintain their courtship with pair bonding activities throughout the duration of their partnership

[urban flax]

I think the game's rating is already 18+ so it couldn't really go higher... But yeah mating animations aren't needed
Current ones are fine

[pale crest]

I definitely think some more complexity in pair bonds could have the potential add to more interspecies competition to negate mega packs

[faint folio]

And allowing players to play the courtship call at anyone would basically function like what you are suggesting. The only other advantage of actually pairing (bar the line in status where it says you're paired with someone) is that you automatically group with that player when logged in at the same time. Which is handy, I admit. Maybe another mechanic can be added for similar functionality-- a stable pack/family structure

[copper prism]

I mean could just allow dudes to bob their heads at dudes and it show up in the thingy. Other than that don't gotta do anything else.

I like that idea

[crude girder]

It'd be nice to allow players in a pair bond to court again, maybe for a fertility bonus or smth

[pale crest]

Right, to be honest it almost sounds like a method of changing a few true and false statements although seemingly simple stuff like that is probably prone to a few glitches

[crude girder]

so that way you don't have to cancel the pair every time you want to court again, but it also gives you a mechanical reason to do it again

[elder fox]

@maiden anvil tbh i would have it to sub deino height because then it gives them a safe place from cannibals and also it gives more variation in that biome, if your have it so adult deino can still do a hippo walk, austros (possibly beipis) and barys will just stay away from those area, but all around good idea

[scenic dew]

Good idea to add zones so lil babbo Crocs are safe

[prime orchid]

@inland torrent yoh man, I wanted to ask between the deinocheruis and spino 1v1, I remember quite abit of deino being smaller? I agree with you on the 50/50 terms in fights with spino being a slasher with those claws and deino being a very strong, um, raw damage hitting with its blunter claws, however unless I'm wrong the size depiction of this spino seemed much larger than the deinocheirus. which In turn I'd change the fight to 55/45 or 60/40 for spino against deino. Correct me if I'm wrong

[scenic dew]

Only way now to survive a cannibal is outrun them on land

[inland torrent]

inposted the size comparison (the best i got) in isle discussion

[prime orchid]

Okay yeah I just, thou.... I would say 51/49 from what I just saw lol

[inland torrent]

the size difference is pretty significant but cheirus seems to have very very very muscular arms and it has higher weight because it has that humb and spino just has the sail

higher weight than it seems to be sorry

[prime orchid]

than spino cant have more health if it weighs less

[inland torrent]

it weighs more but cheirus is heavier than you think my bad

[oak sable]

why cant i find potatoes 😦

[prime orchid]

aah, cool. Also I do see both these along rivers and not always swamps tbh, like me, def gonna main spino, will def not only live in swamp, will even risk grasslands

[oak sable]

wont sucho come tho? why isnt sucho mentioned regarding swamps

[inland torrent]

in the size chart cheirus is 7100 and spino is 9100 with an ? behind it
also i more meant „the place where in a world where everyone is an NPC“ not def required

[inland torrent]

i see sucho more fishing from the shore in smaller streams like it was shown in the hope trailer

[prime orchid]

Aaah, cools, looking at deinocherius and spino weight...... I feel like its a situation like current teno and carno

[oak sable]

from my understanding i thought sucho was adept swimmer, less so then deino ofc.

[inland torrent]

yeah the spino weight seems to be very speculative tho

[inland torrent]

in rl and in the isle sucho will (and had) fish from the shore

[prime orchid]

Yeah someone said it may weigh over 13 tons and on the size chart it weighs 9100

[oak sable]

i see

[inland torrent]

we dont have sucho concept right

[prime orchid]

not yet

[oak sable]

what does that mean, its not in the works ?

[prime orchid]

No

doesnt mean anything tbh

[oak sable]

ok

[gritty terrace]

what you mean its a "bit speculative" they are doing stright up early 200s spino

people need to figuring out the difference of speculative and something being completly different

[inland torrent]

i meant on the size chart its not made completely clear that this weight will be very likely ingame

dont start assuming something without context

[crude girder]

Yeah in the case of nova’s chart, he is speculating the mass based on the model

[gritty terrace]

OH sorry

also my take on the gay mates, I think the main way you would do it is like harons where you would just steal eggs from another nest but the big issue with that is
-you can't even trust the things that are your own species around your nest
-nesting is incredibly rare and trying to find another nest to steal an egg would be very difficult

[maiden anvil]

Good idea actually

[burnt bone]

@inland torrent I personally see minmi in the swamp quite easily. It doesn’t have much weight or grip, so the currents of rivers will likely mess with it a lot. Thus it needs more stagnant waters. Unlike beipi who has claws specifically for latching to counteract the currents. The dense vegetation in the swamps also provide hiding spots and plenty of food for it.
Plus, I’m not sure of anywhere else to put them really, unless there are plenty of lakes they can go to.

[inland torrent]

well Minmi weighs quite a bit also its more streamlights so i can see it very well in river and beipi is only in their because in the cam it was in a more swampy area but i will think about packing it in the 2.0 version of the suggestion

[burnt bone]

Minmi isn’t very streamlined or heavy. Man is built like a rock and sinks like one, that’s basically it. Plus, it’s only like 300kg, if currents only affect things smaller than that, then there’s no point in currents.

[inland torrent]

yeah that seems logical ill include it it

[burnt bone]

Ty, otherwise it was a good suggestion.

[inland torrent]

i’ll make an 2.0 i expected a lot more suggestions to it so ill try to modify as much as possible in one repost

[summer thistle]

@fierce smelt the devs said that they don't want to kick everyone out of legacy, they're sota waiting for it to naturally die out, do i wouldn't expect legacy to be gone until update 9 at the absolute closest

[fierce smelt]

makes sense

[sudden hinge]

Eh I’d say whenever the numbers shift which could very well happen sometime next year if they keep with the plan of Dino’s being added a bunch next year

[summer thistle]

some people really stick to legacy

once they add sandbox and and a map you can use for death match i'll bet that'll be a big move of players

[bleak birch]

And then everyone on Legacy is pretty much just waiting until there is a more expanded roster and improved optimization

[tall hearth]

wish i could have included my full idea for maia all at once, a shame there's a 6 hour timer lol

[bitter fjord]

Does anyone have an accurate Evrima AI map?

[silver shadow]

Has anyone else been experiencing the loss of ability to take flight from the ground as a Pteranodon? Is there something I can do to fix it? This wasn't happening to me at all... I saw another player experiencing it... but now it has been happening to me all day... I can fly around just fine then all of a sudden I can't fly... not a stamina problem...

[sudden hinge]

I feel once we have a similar sized roster is when we’ll see the switch and then after update 8 it will be deleted

[summer thistle]

when you said it should have a mix of teno and shant abilities, what about para?

[tall hearth]

i was refferring to the evrima versions. i dont think we've seen a para concept, but we've seen a shant concept for moves and teno is currently in game. if you wanna brainstorm moves similar to para, by all means go for it.

[summer thistle]

ye makes sence

[gritty terrace]

@icy lion did they confirm it?

[summer thistle]

the power ranking between hadrosaurs really goes teno then maia then para then shant cause no one cares about cory

[icy lion]

Kissen did, I'll get the message

[gritty terrace]

oooo nice, you could have also told me after you deleted the other message as well

[icy lion]

Found it! Was further back than I thought. This was in #isle-discussion

[gritty terrace]

that is awesome, thanks

@reef light the servers would be having even more latency issues than we have now

I do agree with increase the server population but, not THAT much and if they get better servers

it will also likely change when the map gets bigger too

[digital bone]

The swimming animation fixes this problem for me, get in water and get right back out

[cinder fossil]

I either swim or fall off a little ledge,

Really the problem isn’t just with ptera, it’s with anything that can jump, if you jump during a lag spike and get teleported back to the ground you’ll lose the ability to jump until you either fall off something or trigger the swim animation, I also notice it triggers if you just spam space.

So, to keep it from happening, I’d avoid jumping if you notice your ping is skyrocketing, and not spam space bar.

[agile lark]

I think honestly, it is an unnecessary suggestion for a dinosaur game. If you want to group with the same sex, just 2 call. No need to add 'mating' mechanics for dinos who can't mate. That is not the nature of things and a waste of resources and time.

This is not a game where sexuality is a necessity or should be expressed. Mating is for reproduction and eggs. If you want to 'steal eggs' or raise other dino's eggs - then just group with the other person.

[scenic dew]

@latent olive why not

@limber hull same for you

[limber hull]

sounds like migrations with extra steps

[scenic dew]

what do you mean?

( not sure if this was allready posted before so im fresh for ideas )

[latent olive]

we are already getting a migration mechanic for update 6

[scenic dew]

Ooooo sounds sick

[latent olive]

also sounds like an artificial hot spot

[scenic dew]

can I read about that somewhere?

[latent olive]

the latest developer blog

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/376210/view/3294970071151894533

[scenic dew]

yea the idea was to create artificial hotspots to create more interactivity for those who wants

so a high risk high reward scenario

" As time goes on dinosaurs will be able to smell the body from further and further away "

good stuff ill delete my post haha

the only downside I see with the " new " diet system is that allot more crocs are gonna eat eachoter haha

[quasi vault]

Whats stopping dudes from just meming and spam courting other dudes?

[copper prism]

If they wanna be homiesexual then oh well ig. I don't think it hurts anyone

[quasi vault]

Would that make them separate from their current group?

Like with normal pairs?

And how exactly would babies be assimilated

Because it seems to me that it would just be easier for a group that could just rp being gay to cop a baby

Well not if they wanna cop an egg and build a nest

[limber hull]

I still don't get WHY you'd need to add a same-sex courting feature when you can both friendly call and achieve the exact same thing, ending up in a grouped pair that can't actually have babies

[quasi vault]

Thants what im saying

[copper prism]

Cuz u can't do the funny head bob at a dude

Unless a female is behind you

[quasi vault]

So thats the entire basis of ur argument?

[copper prism]

Yep.

Well actually the entire basis of my argument is that it wouldn't be that hard

[quasi vault]

I admit that it would be fun to do it to the homies, but still

Lot of work for something absolutely trivial

[limber hull]

You can be gay dads or moms however much you want. You can be a single male in a pack of a ton of females which courts with all of them, you can be a single parent, or an unusual amount of caretakers of varying genders for a single child. It doesn't matter, the act of courtship is merely a stand in for actual reproduction (which they don't want to animate), so why not let it be as it is and allow player agency and freedom to shine?

[copper prism]

Personally I don't have any homies willing to do the gay with but still

[quasi vault]

No homiesexuals?

[copper prism]

No homiesexuals :'(

[quasi vault]

You telling me you don't kiss the homies goodnight?

[copper prism]

Sadly they would try and kill me

[quasi vault]

You don't cuddle with the homies from time to time?

[copper prism]

And my boyfriend might disapprove.

I am woman so yeah I've cuddled

Or we've shared a bed anyway

Also you can pretend any feature exists in the isle. Actually implementing it in is different

[quasi vault]

Yeah

[copper prism]

You could TECHNICALLY pretend to have a diet system if you wanted

[quasi vault]

In all honesty nesting in itself was a waste of time

[limber hull]

I disagree on that front tbh

[copper prism]

Awe I liked nesting.

[quasi vault]

Barely anyone does it tho

[copper prism]

I could force the homies to be my children

[limber hull]

Without U6 or U7, I see why

[copper prism]

I nest. Or try to

Honestly Ive hardly been able to make it far with lag

[quasi vault]

And they don't have egg stealing (even though they said they would) even though it would make the update infinitely better

[limber hull]

Diets are too demanding to allow you to settle for long and you can't pass down anything but colours to your young, both of which change in U6 and U7 respectively

[copper prism]

Been waiting for an optimization update to play

[quasi vault]

Lol, funny joke bro

[limber hull]

Actually U6 is probably that update (if they add the new map, that is)

[copper prism]

Ikr. Now that would truly be a useful feature.

[quasi vault]

Yeah

[limber hull]

The new map fixes a ton of antiquated bull in Spiro that actively harms performance

[copper prism]

Yeah the new map is supposed to fix it. But I'm not entirely convinced.

[quasi vault]

But still even with the new map, do you know how demanding gore will be?

Its gonna tank performance

[copper prism]

Simply don't eat.

Or die

[quasi vault]

https://tenor.com/view/think-smart-gif-22411928

Kissin be like

[limber hull]

Gore can also be an opportunity to review corpses as a whole and actually optimise them, since they're being remade from the ground up

[copper prism]

Aight I'm off to do productive things ping me if you got any other interesting points

[lapis swallow]

@barren zephyr even tho I disagree with the idea of the user, I do not know why you want the user to be banned. Sorry, but the idea is formulated pretty well and you can see why the user wants it

[scenic dew]

There will be a new map?

[uneven mist]

Yes

[scenic dew]

What its name gonna google dat shii

[uneven mist]

Gateway

[scenic dew]

Ty

[copper prism]

I said the G word.

[lapis swallow]

Dunno

[scenic dew]

is there any map layout picture of gateway? can only find screenshots

[lapis swallow]

I just want xeyraa to elaborate why a ban is needed

[uneven mist]

#isle-phase-three has screenshots of gateway and there are some vids about it

[scenic dew]

yea just saw them, looks sick

[uneven mist]

@scenic dew ^ also here

[scenic dew]

humans will be added in phase 3?

[limber hull]

they'll be added in update 6

we're already in phase 3

[scenic dew]

What update we at now?

[limber hull]

5

[scenic dew]

Oh dang

[ruby wharf]

when are we getting update 6?

[limber hull]

devs have said they aim for this year, but we've gotten no hard confirmations on any ETAs

[scenic dew]

Can humans make eggs? 😏

Sick idea tho that when you steal an egg as a human you can raise it into an npc wich attacks your target haha

Imagine riding a trex as a human haha

The only downside i see when adding guns is potential hackers with aimbots etc

[viral finch]

☝️ This. @copper prism
not to mention the wrong message it may suggest : "gay couples = danger to families"

[limber hull]

i... i dont think that suggests it at all

like i dont agree with the gay dinosaurs suggestion but i dont think anything implied gay = dangerous to families

[limber hull]

okay but these are dinosaurs and its very clearly evident that gay humans don't kill parents and take over families

[viral finch]

Exactly, which either would care to nest. imo (in nature)

𝗶𝗻 𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗱𝘀. If that would be an in-game mechanic. And you have a nest, it suggests you to kill any gay in your surroundings to stay chill

[scenic dew]

Haha wat

[limber hull]

no it doesnt what

[viral finch]

Gays should not be represented as "danger" for their own kind. Even speaking of dinosaurs in a game, its people who plays.
And the message is wrong.

[agile lark]

Yeah - I am not sure if that sort of thing existed in the dinosaur realm.

Or, if it even has a place in a survival game. The whole point of survival is to continue on, and ensure survival. Two of the same sex cannot breed, nor would I see a reason why they would want to be involved with eggs at all or risk their lives killing others of their species to acquire them - considering animals have a huge instinct to preserve themselves instead of just jumping into the fray.

Idk, I don’t feel sexuality needs to be represented in this game about animals, except for when it has to do with reproduction and the survival of your species - as it would in nature. This is all my opinion of course.

[cinder fossil]

I think it would be useless to add gay dinosaurs 💀

[jovial otter]

I'm gay. It would be more fun to be able to do the courting animation whenever and to whoever, but having the ability to procreate with the same sex is pointless and shouldn't be added

My wife plays with me sometimes; we just choose an opposite sex pair of dinos to play as if we want to have hatchlings. There should be more role play options like harmless sparring and playing than procreating with anyone regardless of their Dino's sex

Wouldn't be hard for a same-sex dino pair to find a 3rd party to get them a nest, either. No reason for anything involving killing the parents to steal babies, that happens in nature yes but we are people and things like that come with connotations and implications; and people often don't want to play with cannibals. Lion cubs don't know their dad killed their siblings, but a human player can make that connection

[uneven mist]

YEES. Sparing both harmless and lethal id love

[jovial otter]

I love playing Utah because I can tap pounce my friends to knock em down and run off laughing. Animals need play! They need a way to make their attacks harmless. Imagine if you can press a button and make all of your attacks go from full power to almost no damage and keep the knockdown. Tenos can kick each other down for fun, adult stegos can reprimand a kid with a 0 damage nip or threaten something with the kid by their tail and know the threat swing won't hurt anything if it accidentally connects

Before teno kick became hella strong, "cow tipping" was the funniest thing ever. Run up and knock down a steglet and get away before mom gets you

[uneven mist]

Eh, I’d still want stuff to be friendly fire but just make it so whoever is in your group and when sparing they do no or almost no dmg

[jovial otter]

It would have to be intentionally toggled. Like, if you bite while holding E it does almost nothing

So you can still definitely kill even your packmates, but you have the ability to make your attack do nothing as a way to play a little

[uneven mist]

I’d also want sparring to be used when you are facing another animal of your species and fighting over either food or something else and then it would be lethal

[jovial otter]

That would be fun

[uneven mist]

Like these, fighting over either female, body or food or maybe nesting grounds

Or to protect yourself from cannibalic species like cera

To have a more fun fight rather than “who ever bites first wins”

[faint folio]

@covert nest not to mention some people genuinely just want to run around and kill things. Deathmatch/sandbox lets them do that, which (hopefully) diverts some traffic from the normal survival servers. The people who just want to fight can get that with less hassle, and the people who want a genuine survival experience and not to be murdered just because someone was bored can get that with less hassle too

[covert nest]

Very true, very very true, going to print and edit the message to add on this and give you the credit

[faint folio]

Feel free. I get fighting for food, or territory, or whatever, but some people really just want to fight solely for the fight

[covert nest]

oh ups, I cant put prints, only write, lol, Im going to do right it and give you the credit xd

[covert nest]

I want to play the game as a survival game like you, but sometimes gets boring and I just want to fight and have total chaos around me xd

[faint folio]

And that's what deathmatch is good for

[covert nest]

yeah, thats why I want it so badly in evrima xd

[gritty terrace]

@crystal juniper what you mean full sized deino? You mean elder?

[crystal juniper]

nah i mean in a stream dondi said deino wasnt even at full size and that its size matched the current roster of dinosaurs the things gonna be as long as a rex and i wanna see it

deino at full size is 39 feet long a trex is 40 thank about that swimming in the isle for a minute

[gritty terrace]

Might be talking about elder, how alligators and crocodiles work is that they do not stop growing technically so I have heard that you will be able to keep growing after elder

[crystal juniper]

But would you wanna drink knowing a 39 foot deino is just lying in wait and no he specifically said adult deino

elder gonna be 45 foot long

[gritty terrace]

Oh huh

How many meters is it rn?

Because 12 is the estimate rn

[crystal juniper]

id have too log in but i dont have any adult deinos on any server steggos got em all

yeah the current adult is 12 too 14 foot

[crystal juniper]

just imagine though you walking along as a juvie utah and see this 39 foot beast coming towards you

true horror right their

[gritty terrace]

Imma be honest idk dinosaurs in feet

Everyone into paleo uses meters

[crystal juniper]

ahh well not everyone can be perfect but just imagine something as long as two and a half scholl busses and as thicc as one

[gritty terrace]

What you mean well not everyone can be perfect? 💀

[crystal juniper]

meaning me using the American measurment system instead of the metric system in terms of dinos

[gritty terrace]

Ah yeah

[cyan flame]

Isn't current deino pretty much the size it should be?

[crystal juniper]

nah not at all he gonna be bigger

[gritty terrace]

Maybe slightly smaller but yeah

Well with actual deinosuchus we are talking about

[cyan flame]

So is stego also "tiny" then? I don't recall right now how they compare in size but I don't recall deino looking small compared to it so

[crystal juniper]

according too what don said in a vlog yeah he will be smaller than deino

[cyan flame]

Well yes, but not by any large margin, if we go by proper sizes, and current deino is about the size of stego I think? So it'd be a rather small size increase then?

[uneven mist]

Tbh I’d rather deino be the size it is hell I kinda want it to be smaller

[cyan flame]

Yes, smaller deino would probably be better

[uneven mist]

And a reworked lunge to make it not brain dead

[zealous stone]

I'd like if they made it bigger (when more apexes are introduced), reworked it's lunge to actually require some skill, and then nerfed it's land mobility so it would actually have to defend itself on land rather than just holding SHIFT-W toward the water. The current right click or shift w response to everything is pretty brain dead.

Forcing into conflict things similar to it's size, both for food and in self defense, should result in Deino being a bit more difficult to play, rather than just oneshotting things smaller than you and running away from everything else.

[proven river]

@near umbra Before the game was even meant to be a survival game, like waaay back in 2015 or 2014, humans were planned, it was because of the community that they added herbivores and made the game an actual survival game instead of a battle royal, nothing you say is going to stop the addition of humans but you can go on servers with the human setting off when they release

[uneven mist]

I’d rather not change its weight and give it a better lunge that requires skill and a charged bite when in land but it can only move backwards and not far and would only be used defensively

[zealous stone]

Eh only moving backwards seems a bit too restrictive. I think it would be better if limited to a walk or trot, that way you could use it to advance on a carcass, but you'd still be too slow to actually attack a dinosaur. This would encourage more risky play for Deino without allowing it to dominate on land.

[uneven mist]

Because it’s supposed to be used definitely, making it be able to move forward would make people use it offensively. The charge bite should be like a bear trap, do lots of dmg and fracture and would only be a threat to things that comes close

[limber hull]

It'd be fine if it simply slowed you to Z walk speed

A bigass croc walking slowly towards you with an opened mouth isn't going to be catching many by surprise

[zealous stone]

Especially if they can't cancel it into an ALT bite immediately, it would allow for smaller dinos to outmaneuver it and attack while the bite is charged.

[scenic dew]

Should be able to catch dinos and cage them, sell em off for money to buy gear as a human haha

Or use their pelt as decoration, look like a real hunter when you kill allot

Or add a fable like system, when you kill allot of your own kind your skin starts to look different

Btw what will be the thing with humans and " cannibal " behavior?

And have a trophy hall for your kills hahaha

[sudden hinge]

Why do people want deino to be bigger it’s already 8 tons no need to make it bigger

It’s elder will be like 9 tons it’s fine the way it is

[limber hull]

Trophy kills, selling dinos, pelting them or really much hunter behaviour isn't going to be a big part of the gen 2 behaviours

They're not even called mercenaries officially anymore because that's not an accurate description of their role on the Isle

If you wanted to be a brutal dinosaur hunter, generation 1 (or tribals if you prefer) are your best bet

[zealous stone]

Because it's Hatcheri, should've called it Riograndensis

To be honest it's not really needed

But I also don't want Deino to get the hadrosaur treatment

[scenic dew]

There are multiple human factions? Or generations as you call them

[limber hull]

Yea

Tribals and modern day humans (formerly mercs)

Generation 1 and Generation 2

[scenic dew]

Aaah

So you can unga bunga club baby raptors as a tribal?

[limber hull]

Essentially yes

[scenic dew]

Gonna club and make pants out of their hide

Fashion is my passion

[limber hull]

Generation 2 is basic-ass humans with guns and human physiques

Generation 1 are horrible 9 foot tall muscular as hell orc men which look barely human and worship a dino machine

[scenic dew]

Hahahaha jesus

[sudden hinge]

It won’t have the hadro treatment it works fine as a mid tier nightmare

[scenic dew]

Ptera's should have another ability, poop midflight

[shy falcon]

Honestly, I don’t think Petra’s should gain stamina when latched.
If they did, they’d basically have like god mode, especially if it’s just a scout one.
If it needs stamina, it can just sit on a tree and still survey stuff.
While, without stam regen you have to fly away, land get stam be some what vulnerable, and will be far away, but if someone really tried to they could go for it.

[faint folio]

I have mixed feelings. I think right now, it would be a disaster as like you said, then ptera never has to risk attacks by anything other than other pteras.

But... After the climbing system is introduced, it might be an interesting idea to give pteras Stam regen while latched, but extremely slowly compared to resting on the ground. Climbing would enable Utah's, Herrera's, hypsis, etc to still hunt a latched ptera

[near umbra]

Pteras dont need stam regen on latches. You can just perch yourself on top of a tree.

[gritty terrace]

@proud coral I like that idea a lot

[proud coral]

[proven river]

Yeah fr it's really cool

[barren zephyr]

I'm surprised I got a lot of X's for my suggestion. The amount of players I talk to agree Utah regen sucks and needs improvement 🤔

[burnt bone]

Most people also believe utah is overpowered atm, which I also believe to an extent . So when you propose a buff, people dislike it.

[rare fractal]

It only really feels that way because Utah expends the most stam per attack (even tho that attack is busted), Utah has one of the best stam regen rates in the game, that was patched in around 4.0 and hasn’t changed

[low canopy]

I believe its an intended weakness, so you can't just trot around pouncing but actually have to manage your stamina properly

[rare fractal]

It’s not even a weakness in that way, the stam cost of a successful pounce is but Utahs regen for stam is above average

[barren zephyr]

@burnt bone @rare fractal understand

Every dino needs to be balanced

[burnt bone]

👍

[rare fractal]

It’s antithetical to the concept of balance for anything to be imbalanced, so yes

And Utah is the furthest it’s ever been from weak…demonstrably

[uneven mist]

utah or omni is unironically one of the strongest playables

[zealous stone]

If they want Utah to have better stamina regen, but it's already overpowered, then you could just buff stamina regen a bit for everything, which would increase the pace of the game overall.

Though it would also indirectly buff every attack that uses stamina in the game, since the penalty for using them would be lessened.

Though only standard bite attacks don't use stamina, and those are designed to always have their use on most playables anyway, so that shouldn't be an issue.

[burnt bone]

Honestly, most things are pretty balanced currently. Utah is just too strong against carno and pachy, and it’s a bit too good against that teno since tail slam doesn’t have prio over pounce.

[uneven mist]

carno needs a bleed res buff, pachy dmg buff and idk about teno

and yeah utah needs to get up slower after a pounce

[burnt bone]

Just make tail slam have prio over pounce. Currently, utah can touch the base of the tail and latch on mid-way through the tail slam.

[zealous stone]

Yeah the seems a bit stupid. I feel like allowing people to get away with charging into an easily avoidable high cost attack without consequence isn't really fair.

[scenic dew]

Utahs can easily wear down a stego aswell

[lime gulch]

I think they have plans to make regional damage already? Or isnt it already implemented?

[limber hull]

added a long while ago. Head takes more damage than body, tails take less damage than body

[lime gulch]

Thought so but wasn’t 100% sure

[burnt bone]

@rocky onyx locational damage is already in the game. Head takes more* damage, body is normal, tail takes reduced damage, and tip of the tail takes basically no damage (like 0.1x iirc).

*most Dino’s take 1.5x damage to the head, but stego takes 2x and pachy takes reduced damage.

[rocky onyx]

ik. but from what ive seen the tail & body give the same for me...

[burnt bone]

They don’t, it’s likely that the body is just taking priority depending on what and where you are hitting it.

Plus, it isn’t reduced by too much. I believe it’s like a 0.66x but I’m not 100% sure on the numbers

[urban flax]

Tail doesn't block hitboxes
So if you hit someone's tail then their head ith the same attack, it's gonna deal body-hit damage

[rocky onyx]

well i edited it

[burnt bone]

@lethal lily it could be Omniraptor because it is made of a mix of ALL(hence Omni) raptors. Like a hybrid abomination thing.

[uneven mist]

Kinda like that from a lore standpoint, trying to make the perfect raptor or lifeform or something like that

[burnt bone]

They already got strains, a hybrid isn’t far off.

[uneven mist]

True, literal Kaijus