general-feedback-discussion

[zealous stone]

I really don't get how so many people die to stego. It's powerful but stupidly easy to avoid. Honestly that's my problem with stego right now. It's too powerful for anyone roster to kill even if the stego player sucks unless the hunters are sweatlords, but at the same time it's so immobile that it feels more like hazardous terrain than an actual threat. It just feels like it contributes nothing to game but bad ratings from people salty about getting killed by it.

[crisp hamlet]

I have to agree with that

Stego should be a powerful creature that is peaceful and roams unless attacked, which then it can deal great damage to its attacker

[faint folio]

I really liked the suggestion that the tail attack should burn a lot more stamina if the stego is standing in water. Seems a reasonable mechanic since water resistance would make it harder to swing the tail, and would still allow stegos to play defensively if a croc tried something. Stego could always step out of the water and away from the Crocs to avoid the penalty, and stegos on land absolutely have enough oomph to kill crocs. But it prevents stegos from camping Crocs at the water too

[crisp hamlet]

Oo i never saw that mechanic, but yes! It would prevent stegos from controlling waters with their overpowered stats, and would be very realistic

[jade brook]

i don't want stego to get a buff, but i do think its attack is kinda cluncky. I miss the quick swipe you could do while running in legacy, but i fear aggro stego would use it to hunt

[cold jacinth]

Bro are you serious? There are parts of the water that are crucial for deinos to get past and stegos feel the need to mercilessly harass them. Iceandi literally just gave you an experience they had of stegos being jerks and you sit here like "Duuhh Idk?"

Stegos shouldn't be able to fish out deino.

[zealous stone]

They shouldn't

[cold jacinth]

They are herbivores who 90% of the time are on land.

[zealous stone]

I agree with that

[cold jacinth]

They have no reason to harass and kos deinos other than that a deino might have looked at them in the wrong way.

That's their reasoning*

[zealous stone]

However, there are places where you an avoid them, though to be fair new players won't be aware of them.

[jade brook]

i think wider rivers and less bottlenecks would help with that

[cold jacinth]

Exactly

Like they shouldn't be able to harass deino while deino are in water.

People want to say "well why don't they retreat to water"

Because even that isn't safe

[faint folio]

I've also had the experience of stegos killing something, then waiting just over the hill for a starving carnivore to come looking to scavenge, and galloping down the hill to kill them, too

[cold jacinth]

Yeah really.

People who play stego seriously do not mind invoking ptsd in starving carnivores lmfao

[faint folio]

Luckily was close enough to the water that I got away barely... Took a couple hits and my buddy died

[zealous stone]

I do think stego should get pretty serverely punished for sitting on the water and trying to hit deinos. I get they need to have a powerful defense, but it shouldn't be so powerful they can literally toy with the most powerful carnivore in the roster.

[cold jacinth]

Yeah really

like the water is the only defense deino have

[jade brook]

huh

well deino are pretty tanky and have good bleed resist and heal

[faint folio]

In a lot of rivers, the deep water is only just wide enough that a stego standing at the absolute deepest it can without starting to swim can force deinos into a section of river JUST barely wide enough to avoid the tail

[zealous stone]

If they are simply drinking or crossing a bottleneck, they should be well defended enough to be safe against deinos for the most part. However if they are camping the waters edge just to harass deinos, it should honestly be suicidal.

It's a survival horror game, it shouldn't be encouraging trying your luck with apex predators out of boredom.

[jade brook]

^

[faint folio]

Yup exactly. Most deinos avoid attacking stegos like the plague anyways unless they are starving and they HAVE to get out of the water to kill something or scavenge... Usually from a carcass that a stego is camping

[jade brook]

then again, deinos also have to worry about other deinos, and bary is coming to play

[faint folio]

True. I have mixed feelings on cannibalism species. Like, I don't think they should get cannibalism sickness like raptors which actively discourages cannibalizing (I noticed that eating Utah when you play a starving spawn juvi doesn't give you any diet either)... But baby deinos either need to be given aquatic hiding spots to hide from adult deinos, or have deino removed from diet. Starving deinos will kill and eat deino for food, even without the incentive of diet making it preferential to kill other crocs

A lot of baby deinos end up as snacks for the big guys

Though... The croc numbers right now are artificially inflated because of the patch making them much harder to see. I've never swam past so many deinos as I did last night XD

It's a little ridiculous

[zealous stone]

One issue I have with cannibalism is it results in pretty basic combat, especially with deino. It's not like dealing another species where you have completely different attacks and stats, it's for the most part just comes down to who lands the first bite or has the number advantage rather than who plays to their strengths the best.

I get it's the only thing keeping deino in check right now, but it feels cheap, something just thrown in because it was easier than implementing a proper rival species.

[faint folio]

Exactly. And it causes an artificially large number of adult Crocs and artificially small number of small crocs-- if you survive being picked off as a baby, pretty much only stegos will pick fights with you. Deinos would rather kill weak babies than equally powerful adults, which... To be fair, yeah it makes sense. But it means deino has the same problem as stego-- they get mercilessly hunted by everything land sea and sky as babies, but nobody wants to go anywhere near them as adults. So unnecessarily hard/frustrating early gameplay followed by very boring adult gameplay lol

Also means that chances are if you're a land dino and you have a deino altercation at the water... It's probably a full adult

[barren zephyr]

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[barren zephyr]

@inland torrent Better night vision with a better diet is already shown in-game. There's just no night vision to pair it with yet.
I agree with 2. Still thinking about 3

[inland torrent]

oh but i think i still took my own take on it in the way I suggested it

[bleak birch]

Exactly. I don’t play Deino often, but when I do, I have never died to a Stego simply because I don’t go anywhere near them. I see other Deino just throw themselves at it one at a time and die right away. The only thing I’ve died to as a Deino is larger (either in size, number, or both) Deino

[limber hull]

@sullen olive night vision isn't in yet, it's coming next update

[sullen olive]

Gotcha 👍

[fathom tulip]

@tough reef What? You don't think it's fun to play a game that is just a black screen?

[tough reef]

hell no XD

i couldnt see the thing attacking me and the thing attack me couldnt see me

[jagged jewel]

@haughty dock if you want deinos to not get chased by stegos teach them how to hold the S key and swim away

[proven river]

lol it's that easy, don't pick an unwinnable fight

[prime orchid]

@icy fiber heya I saw your suggestion about the balance between combat and the interaction with deinosuchus, what I wanted to say is that a carno at 40% has nowhere near the power of a deino of its size since deino when adult weighs 8 tons and carno only weighs 1.8 tons when adult. Taking into consideration to the fact that deino takes 5 hours to grow and usually dies to other cannis alot or fishing stegos, I think that argument aint exactly making good sense. Even if they add stronger apexes, carno has the speed and manueverbility to still be viable to hunt down herbis which are too fast for the apexes as well as apexes not being easy to grow since I'm sure the apexes growth time will probably reach 6 hours or more, including the fact that they can still be killed off before they get adulthood.

I asked Punch yesterday about herb vs carnivore if it will balance out like in irl and he said that there are gonna be tests to try and balance it out but realism isnt exactly going to be part of combat, its gonna be skill, experience and luck. Also deino is not something any carno wants to go against, its like a cheetah trying to kill a nile crocodile

[lapis swallow]

And even if the croc is 6 inches longer than you, its has way more mass

[icy fiber]

mate there is no skill involved with deino atm, they can walk onto land proceed to bully everything (except stegos) away from food and slink back into water. I'm not asking deinos hp to be nerfed, but I am saying a fully grown deino leg compared to the bite force of a fully grown carno is absolutely going to crumple. And it should. Because at the moment there is no way to punish deinos who over step their bounds, they shouldnt be on land 100+ meters away from water contesting food, but they are. Why? Because they have a fat hp pool with a bite that destroys everything (except stego). Its the same interaction with pachys vs carnos, in a 1v1 scenario a carno should just run, there will never be a scenario short of literally starving to death, that a carno will ever fight a pachy 1v1. Because the chances of a leg / head fracture absolutely messing up the carno and the pachy walking away with 20% hp is way too high. The pachy can go heal and recover their hp, the carno has to go limp / blindly stumble and hope nothing finds them for the next 10-15 minutes. But a more realistic approach would be if the carno got a full on body bite onto the pachy he'd be applying bone crunching force.

Look at the most popular dinosaurs at the moment, you got deinos, stegs and utahs far more represented than anything else and its because they are punished less by current mechanics and/or benefit more from current mechanics than every other animal in the game. Players are going to gravitate towards the most abusable animals, deinos/steggos being walking tanks with massive amounts of killing power heavily favors them, utahs are more similar to glass cannons, but their quick growth time and low hunger (relative) drain and viability even as a baby make them also good even after death.

[lapis swallow]

And what would be bad balance with carnos having fractures. And the deino is biggest predator, if it needs food, its gonna just take it. Thats how it is. A 10th grader can take away a 3rd graders candy too because he is stronger. That is just how it works

[prime orchid]

But thats how deino and stego is supposed to be, they got added at the wrong time in roster, a deino is similar to nile crocs of today who even got up to 500 meters to pull a carcass from a pride of lions and in the game a lion is equal to a giga. If they added these 2 later they would have more punishment for mistakes but unfortuantly they are way too strong for mid tiers to handle

[icy fiber]

There is a halfway attempt at realism balance and its screwing up the balance of the game in my opinion and will continue to screw with it, you dont have to agree with the method of fixing it, but it has become readily apparent in my 130 hours of the current patch.

[prime orchid]

also carno needs to ambush a pachy and its game set match

[lapis swallow]

And did you say in a 1 vs 1 a carno should run from a pachy? A carno that preys on it? Should run from its smaller and weaker prey?

[icy fiber]

absolutely, the risk is way too high to fight a pachy it takes one fracture from the pachy to render you unable to chase them

[lapis swallow]

That is how pachy works

You need to ambush one to get a kill

[prime orchid]

I think they just need to add more dinos to the roster that can punish deinos or stegos, thats the only way to fix it, and also a carno in a 1v1 with pachy, unless the carno is the worst player in the whole game and the pachys doesnt run and keeps on fighting, than carno always wins

[icy fiber]

the pachy doesnt have to keep on fighting

they get 1 fracture on you and they run away thats the part youre missing

[lapis swallow]

I know

[icy fiber]

there is all risk and almost no reward fighting a pachy 1v1

even if you get an ambush on the pachy, youre not gonna 1 shot it, so there is still the risk of the fracture incomming

[uneven mist]

If they were going to add a Dino to complete with deinos then I thing the best option would be sucho, it’s not too fast but it’s strong enough to fend if subs and fresh adult deinos

[lapis swallow]

I have seen many carno players easily killing pachys 1 vs 1. I think that is just on you then

[prime orchid]

ambush it with ram and bite its body, its ded

[limber hull]

Honestly, agreed. Sucho can also mean the return of shallow waters as it is primarily a wading animal

[icy fiber]

they have to be the worst pachy players to be ambushed by a carno ram

[lapis swallow]

Or just unaware of the carnos precence if the bushes nearby

[icy fiber]

"what are those giant steps thundering next to me? must be the wind"

[prime orchid]

carnos can use trees to hide

and you only hear those steps too late

[lapis swallow]

So every player that gets ambushed is bad?

[icy fiber]

theyre not paying attention

you cant count on players not paying attention

that isnt a realistic balance mechanic

[lapis swallow]

But this is how carno works, ambushing prey that isnt paying attention

[uneven mist]

Indeed

[limber hull]

i've once had a friend broadcast and make a scene as a carno with me while we were hunting pachies. Absolutely hollering to the sun. Pachys were so engrossed in wtf this carno was doing, watching him run around and scream like a fool in plains that I managed to knock 'em down like bowling pins, then killing them was easy pickings

[lapis swallow]

And it could be the slow apex predator on land too, that steals the others kills

[icy fiber]

that is not how carno works, that may be the intent of carno but in reality carno is about roaming around in a pack with 1 as bait for pachys / utahs / tenos to attack and then the rest of your pack ambushes them.

solo carno ambushes arent a thing

not a thing that you can use reliably at least

[lapis swallow]

Watch one of Mr.DBear vids

[prime orchid]

I usually play solo as carno and it happens where I meet an individual whos unaware and I ambush it

[uneven mist]

It would mostly be a fish eater in shallow areas and would steal kills from carnos and utahs or hunt smaler deinos and fight subs ir fresh adults

[prime orchid]

With a ram

[lapis swallow]

I was split up with my friend playing carno and he amvushed two utahs

[lapis swallow]

Would be a cool addition

Solo carno ambushes ARE a thing

[icy fiber]

lol first kill of his video is him killing the absolute worst deino ive ever seen and/or was complete out of stamina for some reason 🤣 but ill watch the whole thing

[prime orchid]

Sucho seems like its gonna be a brawler whos to slow to catch other dinos but powerful enough to steal their food

[uneven mist]

Kinda like a bear (but slow)

[lapis swallow]

Solo carno ambushes are frequent. Watch peskys solo carno videos

[limber hull]

Sucho seems like someone who, if you enter its territory, it gets pissed and beats the shit out of you. Spends most it's time fishing, but will kill/eat/steal dinosaur meat when needed

[lapis swallow]

And it could ambush drinking dinosaurs from the treeline in some rivers

[limber hull]

Sucho should be more of a sedimentary peaceful carnivore life, spending its time fishing and defending its habitat rather than hunting

[lapis swallow]

Oportunistic hunter maybe

[limber hull]

Eh, I don't even think it's a hunter much at all. Basically minds its own business and defends its home when needed

[uneven mist]

More interesting than “hunter nr.5666” kinda hope cera is more if a defender animal than going on the offense like most carnis

[limber hull]

Yea

Very much not a fan of everyone being big scary hunter

Give me carni diversity

[lapis swallow]

Sucho should be the most fish hunting semi aquatic imo

[limber hull]

Nah dude

Austro, 100% austro

[lapis swallow]

But austro seems to be very much capable to catch smaller faster prey too

[limber hull]

Austro is literally designed specifically to catch fish

[prime orchid]

Im not against 10 austros taking down a teno XD

[lapis swallow]

Ok, maybe they are both fish hunters then

[limber hull]

Its pounce is designed to go into the water and grab fish, its special ability is seeing fish under the water

This mf likes fish

[lapis swallow]

Ok, then I didnt check its concept art enough lol

[prime orchid]

What are yalls thoughts on the spino? would like to know as I'm preparing myself to main it XD

[icy fiber]

so i just watched 12 minutes of mrdbear and in every instance of his fights he had a carno pack bigger than whatever he was fighting, 2v3 utahs, 2v1 pachy, 3v10 chicken nuggets, 3v2 tenos. Like yes, carnos in packs work. And sitting in a bush while one carno plays bait also works, i agree with this. but this doesnt change the fact that 1v1 carno vs pachy is not something you want to engage in, in 2v1 pachy fight his leg got fractured and the pachy managed to escape, he only got the kill because the pachy came back some time later for a rematch and lost, but he didnt ambush the pachy. He just out numbered it.

i do like bowling though, gotta give him props for that perfect score he got. 🤣

[lapis swallow]

In another video he ambushed 5 utahs alone

[icy fiber]

ive done that too, if the utahs are bad you will win

ive ambushed 10 utahs, killed 4, and while the other 6 were regrouping to take me down my 3 other carno friends showed up.

bad players are easy to kill, this doesnt mean the game is balanced.

[lapis swallow]

So solo carno ambushing is a thing

[lapis swallow]

The only thing that the game needs is allo (for stego balancing), better food intake for carno, 1.5 seconds pounce recovery for utah and 75 damage for pachy alt attack

[icy fiber]

its like saying you saw a steggo die to carnos so obv carnos are op, no, the steggo was just really fricken bad if it died to carnos like... 😐 5 good utah players, even if 2 die in the initial ambush (though 2 dying in the initial ambush when they're supposed to be good is questionable) will absolutely demolish a carno.

[lapis swallow]

Ambushing in a group is no difference. You try to not be seen and use the terrain to your advantage and then you strike. What is the difference between it? If a group ambushes a pachy or a solo carno ambushes one. If the ambush is sucessful the carno wins

Or watch poutinnes recent carno vid where he solo ambushed and hunted a teno

[prime orchid]

Add more dinos to the roster and it fixes the problem your saying of balance

[lapis swallow]

Solo carno ambushing is a thing and frequent

[lapis swallow]

1 more that many player demand

Or just give stego a 2.5 headshot multiplier

[prime orchid]

Another thing, carno and deino matchups is not and never will be a thing, it happens but it shouldnt

[prime orchid]

allo? or cera?

[lapis swallow]

^

[lapis swallow]

Allo

It could balance stego

[prime orchid]

I would like that guy to come to

but it will only be able to hunt stegos unless it finds the rest with very low stam

[icy fiber]

it shouldnt be a thing, but it is a thing because deinos can waltz way too far from water and be unpunished by current game mechanics.

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/there-you-have-it-folks-there-it-is-j-jonah-jameson-jk-simmons-spiderman-gif-15506163

[prime orchid]

a carno is not meant to punish a deino under any circumstances no matter how far the deino is on land

only stego has that ability

[lapis swallow]

Then its no balance problem, just a lack of playables problem . And the deino is taking a huge risk cause if a stego sees it, its dead

[prime orchid]

also deinos dont go as far as 1km due to the fact that they can literally die from thirst balancing them from going to midland center

[icy fiber]

1km is 1,000 meters

[lapis swallow]

And coming back to the "solo carno ambusing isnt a thing". I have been ambushed while eating a boar once because I wasnt paying attention for once. Does that make me a bad player?

[icy fiber]

you already added the prerequisite of not paying attention

i stated they are bad or not paying attention

or is the operative word there

how does deino ambush prey?

[lapis swallow]

This is how carno ambushes work. Prey not paying attention or its bad

[icy fiber]

you can have your eyes glued to your screen, but you can still 100% die to a deino

[prime orchid]

Yeah they walk that distance and try to go back their hp will be below 50%

balances itself out

[icy fiber]

and that isnt balanced

[prime orchid]

Cause its underwater or if you fight it head on, what do you expect if your anything other than a stego?

[lapis swallow]

That is how real life ambushes work mate

[limber hull]

that is how rl ambushes work

[lapis swallow]

My word

On no there is a carno ambushing and I noticed. Guess ill die

[icy fiber]

real life is 100% of the time, games are when you can focus your attention 100% of the time. You cannot be 100% focused all the time irl, you can be focused while playing a game. If something demands your attention enough to take your focus, you should log out (or if youre a steggo just not care)

[prime orchid]

So your saying to not play the game after growing my dino?

[icy fiber]

what?

you set aside hours to play a game while you are able to focus on the game

being ambushed in real life is not the same as being ambushed in game, in game you are going to be far more focused than you will ever be irl on avoiding ambushes.

[lapis swallow]

Dude an ambush is surprising your prey. That is the definition of a fucking ambush. You cant call hunts ambushes if the prey knows you are there

[prime orchid]

You know you can be focused irl and in game and still miss details of something thats happening right infornt of you

[lapis swallow]

Pov: you are searching for something in the frigde

[prime orchid]

Exactly

[lapis swallow]

Happens to me all the time

[prime orchid]

and being ambushed in game is quite literally close to rl because you are either not looking in the direction of the ambush or you missed a detail that could have saved you

[icy fiber]

exactly IRL you have 24 hours in a day, 8 hours are sleeping, 16 are spent awake doing various tasks. Your attention / focus is going to slip frequently.

In game you have a couple hours, your attention is going to be largely focused solely on the game.

you are going to miss far more things IRL than you will miss in game because you are naturally going to be more focused in the game.

[prime orchid]

Pov: Im focused on drinking water literally at the spot a deino attackes me and it snatches me

[lapis swallow]

Bro is trying to make a point against him for him

[prime orchid]

Im focused on a bush where an ambush could come from, but the ambush is behind me

[lapis swallow]

I am focused on the spot where the croc might come from, but the I get ambushed from the bushes while drinking

[jagged jewel]

this does not mean that ambushes shouldn't work like irl

[icy fiber]

what are you smoking you are saying that in real life you are missing shit and this is natural in real life you have 24 hours in a day this means that throughout the day YOU ARE GOING TO MISS THINGS. When you are in the game you are focused almost exclusively on the game. You are less likely to miss things during a play through of a game than you are IRL. Like what part of this are you not getting?

[lapis swallow]

I am missing things ingame and irl.

[jagged jewel]

like how i am missing the juvie wars happening in NW while i am in coastal eating cocos

[prime orchid]

If there were no trees, rivers, cliffs, bushes and all that jazz, maybe you can say wht your saying right now, but due to these, an ambush can happen even while your focused

[jagged jewel]

at the same time i am missing the birth of my first child in a nearby hospital

you miss both irl and in game

[lapis swallow]

Do you know how many times somebody told me: "there is a carno" and I was just like "where?" while looking at the same direction

[proven river]

what on earth is goin on XD

[lapis swallow]

You can and you going to miss things in a game

[jagged jewel]

you may be aware of your surroundings, but if you fall to an ambush, you were looking in the wrong direction

[prime orchid]

Even while your focused

[lapis swallow]

Valanoir brings up weird points that make no sense

[jagged jewel]

you can only focus on 1 direction at a time

like how surprising your prey is unbalanced for some reason

[lapis swallow]

Chameleon pulls up

[proven river]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jagged jewel]

imagine if a dino had chameleon vision

arrow keys change the direction each eye is looking at individually 💀

[lapis swallow]

That would not be possible cause human eye goes wonky then

[proven river]

[prime orchid]

would be cool but a very weird pov

[jagged jewel]

sounds like a skill issue on your end

[lapis swallow]

Wait . . . cuts the muscle that lets the eyes move at the same time there we go

[prime orchid]

lol

[jagged jewel]

would that even work irl

[prime orchid]

No

[lapis swallow]

Nah

[jagged jewel]

i'd imagine

[prime orchid]

Again back to whats I asked earlier, thoughts on spino?

[icy fiber]

the isle players continue to impress me:
"Carno ambushes dont work because they rely on players being bad and/or not paying attention"
"Yeah but in real life I am distracted all the time, this is how ambushes are supposed to work!!"
-ignores the 8 hours youre sleeping-
-ignores that when people are playing a pvp battle royal game they are more focused than when they are mindlessly going through their daily routine-
"you miss things all the time like when im se, im not seeing anything in nw, thus im missing it."

like shit you got me. peak balance discourse.

[lapis swallow]

Says the one that does not understand the term ambush.

[jagged jewel]

ignores that when people are playing a pvp battle royal game they are more focused than when they are mindlessly going through their daily routine-

bro you are more focused on what you are doing you could be focused on drinking something thinking of the deino that might kill you, when a carno just charges you from a random bush nearby

you can't focus on everything that's happening

[prime orchid]

You basically saying while I'm in call of duty and I get sniped I'm not focused

[jagged jewel]

only 1 thing at a time
and carno ambushes are made to punish that

[lapis swallow]

Nah, that is a skill issue. Adapt, git gud, mere skill issue, steal chameleon eyes

[prime orchid]

Looks like it, get chameleon eyes to see an ambush from behind me and infront, but what about the sides???? Evolve alien eyes

[lapis swallow]

We should open a company that researches on that

[prime orchid]

Might as well

[lapis swallow]

Lets ask Elon for the money he is crazy enough to support that

[prime orchid]

Yeah, i got his number on dial, gimme 5 min

[jagged jewel]

Picture this:
You're a utah, and you find a 20% stego.
That 20% stego is big enough to 2 shot you, but you still have the advantage.
You pounce the stego, and just apply pressure while it slowly bleeds out.
The stego tries to run for the water, but dies in the riverbank.
You start eating the stego, paranoid that a deino might jump at you to kill you and eat you and the stego.
You have your camera facing the water because of this.
You hear stomping sounds and run the opposite direction of the water, only to die to a carno charge.
The stomping sounds were the carno.
You were "focused" during the game, yet failed to pay attention to the 1.8 ton beast behind you.
This is an ambush.

[lapis swallow]

Skill issue on the stegos side, why did it die while seeing its hunter. What a loser

[prime orchid]

What Val is basically saying is that an ambush shouldnt exist in the game, thats my 2 IQ points on that matter I'm not going to waste the rest on this topic

[jagged jewel]

smh you should instantly become immune after seeing your opponent

[prime orchid]

Lol, sees a carno chargin a meter from you, instant immunity to charge damage

[jagged jewel]

But seriously, if you hear the carno ram growl and turn to face it, you still see the carno and are now aware of its existence, but do not have the time nor speed to react quickly enough

[lapis swallow]

No, ambushes should be able to be pulled of while the ducking prey sees you as far I understood it

[proven river]

interesting

[lapis swallow]

Your first mistake was to buy and play the isle. Your second mistake was to not pay attention to the random treeline where there wasnt any suspecting activity going on

[jagged jewel]

also, on val's original suggestion: why the fuck would carno's bite crush things??

[prime orchid]

Also not taking into account the ducking environment where it can happen

[jagged jewel]

let alone osteoderms strong enough to resist bullets??

[proven river]

[jagged jewel]

also not taking into account how surprisingly quiet carno's crouch is

which is a good thing

[prime orchid]

Carno has the weakest bite among the large carnivores of the isle, bonecrushing should not be a thing, although I think deino needs an ability that actually does do fractures

[icy fiber]

what i never stated this, please dont insinuate you know what im saying, it is evident that you do not

[jagged jewel]

and also the weakest bite proportionally speaking

meanwhile gigachad ptera 3 shotting itself:

[proven river]

good grief

[jagged jewel]

a ptera the size of a utah would have a higher biteforce than carno

and a ptera the size of a carno would have 800N bite

which 2 shots a teno on the head

and on the body

and can fly

[prime orchid]

Quetz

XD

[jagged jewel]

i want quetz to have the same bite to body ratio as ptera

200-225 bite on a 500 kg animal, while extreme, fits its speculated playstyle

[icy fiber]

this is why i shouldve just stopped debating with you awhile ago "the most popular, and strongest predator should be buffed, because realism. but carno bites to the legs of the deino fracturing them doesnt make sense"

[prime orchid]

Who said that?

Actually nvm, balancing a creature thats obviously weaker than the others cant work, thats why numbers are a thing

[dusk meteor]

How about not drinking at deep water drinking at deep water is being inattentive to your situation.

[prime orchid]

Again gonna bring irl situations such as a lion and a hyena, a male lion beats the shit and kills hyenas for a living and thats just how it is, hyenas needs a huge pack to take down a male lion, the game is going off to how real life situations work

Like utah and carno, 1 or 2 utahs arent strong enough to take down a carno unless carno is shit, but 3 or more can do it because they balance the numbers against the carno whos much stronger

and actual crocs can break bones the moment they hit you on a vital area.

Im not saying make deino overpowered nor sayin carno should get a buff, its a missed opportunity is what I was meaning

But fine, think as you will, let the weak get stronger and the stronger get weak

Or leave them be cause balance works like that, unlike legacy where tail riding is a thing. Here you require skill, strength, thinking, strategy or numbers to win a fight

Done

[dusk meteor]

@novel cosmos ngl further pop in for grass would Arguably make the game worse, but not because its a bad suggestion.

Food literally spawns earlier than your immediate grass, so increasing the render distance of it would look better, but absolutely be a disadvantage in game.

I don't think increasing the render distance is a good idea yet. Not until the devs get themselves together in the optimisation department so they can rethink how the storage for ai works

[barren crater]

Also, letting people play around with the render distance of foliage leads to abusing it. Would prefer if it wasn't an option setting.

[novel cosmos]

Yeah I said option wise thing so settings, so we have a choice to choose performance or aesthetics

I have no problems surviving or killing others in the isle so I just like nice aesthetics and scenery, and miss being able to not see my grass load in right in front of me

[barren crater]

If it's a setting, people will intentionally play on the lowest setting to avoid being at a disadvantage

[novel cosmos]

Correct and some won't

And no they get to set what setting is default and what is minimum and max

So it won't be abused

Like set the minimum setting as it is right now

So idk why you even said that

Here I'll add into the suggestion

Fixed

[barren crater]

I'd personally want them to optimise before they decide to add in render ranges for grass. Then they themselves change the render range to be farther or whatever. It being player dependent will most likely just make players use the lowest settings.

[errant vector]

Add game to Xbox

[novel cosmos]

I doubt the game will get much more optimized

History of video games getting better optimization later down the road is basically 0

But maybe if people make enough noise I agree

Hopefully i'm wrong and they find a way and put their money into it

[dusk meteor]

If the lowest is the current setting that seems fair.

But the game does need to be more optimised. Optimisation is a full time thing in the life cycle of the game. They'll be doing it until the end of the road lol

God knows how they'll break the game next all because they try optimising more

[novel cosmos]

True it is an always problem

[vernal carbon]

"enough" most of the players can barely do 30 stable fps, even devs can notice that lol

for not talking about the people that cannot even play the game and they are stuck on the legacy version

[foggy breach]

@maiden verge how did you make the deino do that?

[maiden verge]

i was afk and i pressed space 3 times but not holding it and it went that way

[foggy breach]

Hmm

[foggy breach]

Is it consistent or does it just happen?

[maiden verge]

idk, it just happen

[novel cosmos]

in my experience if i go to max graphics i have the same fps as low graphics

so my theory is if i increase the render distance ill have the same fps

and im okay with that if the game looks better

[vernal carbon]

yeah same

[novel cosmos]

as in i want them to fix graphics but shit i might as well enjoy the games scenery so

used to enjoy the hunting in the game

but its no longer and hunting and more of just people fighting now in the game then to discord. and too much desync in this game for it to really be anything competitive in my opinion

[vernal carbon]

yeah, but i hope that one day everyone can play this with a 60fpd stable, even 50 stable fps are good tho lol (i do like 30-60 fps)

[jagged jewel]

Lower the deino just enough that it loses its neutral pose, and keep tapping space so that it looks like that

@latent olive

[foggy breach]

Ty

Wait

You're airplane dude

[jagged jewel]

what

[burnt bone]

@gritty terrace the difference between legacy and evrima is diets. If a pachy gets spawned in SE, then they have to travel to the North beach or Center to get any diet. Plus, you spawn with so little food that not finding the food you need as a herbie or finding a body at all as a carni is basically death

[gritty terrace]

I also just do not see why you should spawn with such little food

like yes, I understand its good to get people into the gameplay right away but give them at least 30% or something not 15 or 20 however much it is rn

it just felt like putting you somewhere randomly in the map was what made the game actually scary

[lapis swallow]

Its just annoying to kill yourself over and over again to get good spawns

Does not add to the scaryness or something

Just annoying

[gritty terrace]

just deal with it, it adds to the game

[lapis swallow]

Nah I wont deal with

Because it wont be added

[gritty terrace]

idk just not a fan of spawning exactly where you want to be

[sweet yacht]

@quiet adder they implemented anti-gamma now so you aren't the only one unable to see at night anymore

[lapis swallow]

It does nothing, some of my friends use gamma. It does nothing

And I can see during the night and I dont use it

[sweet yacht]

That's not true. The anti gamma just makes anything within a certain threshold of being black completely black so that if you turn up gamma it doesn't make it any brighter than what it currently is.

[lapis swallow]

Oh yeah, they said its a bit weird now

[snow meadow]

It should be more at least until ai is more consistent.

I find if I do not spawn at center or sometimes nw as a land carnivore I'm probably not gonna survive to see my first meal.

Actually last night I had to beg a deino to get me a fish as a baby cause there was absolutely nothing lol

[gritty terrace]

yeah I do not understand why everyone says AI is not an issue

I do wish they fight back or hard to catch tho better

[jagged jewel]

@solemn bloom megalania will already do that

and also utah is too tall and not properly built to dig

[snow meadow]

I haven't seen that tbh ai being awful is one of the more talked about things.

But some people aren't happy unless everything is sub optimal and tedious for some reason

[faint folio]

I have the same issue. Sometimes I even die to starvation at center if the fighting happens to be at the opposite side of spawn

[snow meadow]

Yeah it can suck

For land babies

The worst part of it is the new player experience tbh. Those that have been around for years are probably used to it by now.

[faint folio]

The issue is, fresh spawn carnos and Utah's can't catch anything but chickens (rabbits will run to their burrow before you can catch them), but chickens are pretty rare, so you have to rely on scavenging from other players kills. No players=no kills = starving to death

[snow meadow]

People log into the game and have no idea where to go, the map is huge and empty and they die without ever seeing another person then refund the game or barely play it

I scavenge as a baby most of the time.

More small ai like bunnies and stuff would be nice for them

[faint folio]

Yeah I rage quit Utah when I first started playing because I couldn't find food. Now I know where to look of course but you shouldn't have to muscle through the suck or rely on meeting a friendly player that can show you where to look for food

[snow meadow]

I've had a few people I invited to the game quit due to starvation simulator

[faint folio]

I couldn't even catch a bunny as a baby Utah because they're faster

[slim halo]

@carmine warren zero clue and idk if they read the feedback often, but its an awesome idea

And makes sense idk why they wouldn't add it

[carmine warren]

yeah, a lot of reports on stuck/hacking players get lost quickly in the chats, so it would be really useful and help the admins/mods get a better overlook on it all

[carmine warren]

yeah idk either, the whole pinging in the chat is a pretty messy system for such a big server

[slim halo]

And bannable

[carmine warren]

oh yh, where do u draw the line between need of actual help and unnecessary ping

[slim halo]

With this server, no clue, sometimes you're not allowed to have an opinion

[carmine warren]

oh and ofc, another option for getting help with stuff is by dming admins, and well that could potentially also get u in trouble, plus be annoying/messy to try and dm each online admin hoping one will respond

[slim halo]

There is no specific rule for dming, unless its like a dev or something but you're allowed to dm admins unless said otherwise by them ( I think ) So idrk why you'd get in trouble

[carmine warren]

idk abt the trouble part, but the main way to report to admins being through dms just feels like it would flood their dms, and if they ended up dming a single admin, but not the one that was actually avaible to answer and help. I have many reasons to not be a fan of the idea

[slim halo]

If admins dont want that im sure they're allowed to notify players about that, whether putting it in their name or something, I dont see a reason why they shouldn't be able to but I agree, otherwise it's like partially the admins fault if the rules allow it

If they are a lil upset from being dmed i mean

[carmine warren]

I just personally feel like if the main way of reporting was through tickets, that it would be a lot more effecient overall. Although dming as a way of reporting works okay as it is, i just feel like it has more cons than pros

[slim halo]

I feel like tickets should have been added a long time ago to prevent it either way

[carmine warren]

mhm ^^

[slim halo]

Added tickets immediately after making my server, kinda something every server has from what I've seen except this one

[faint folio]

@brittle mirage tenos do not run faster than raptors even with perfect diet so... If one was outrunning you then they were probably speed hacking. They do have pretty high stam though

[brittle mirage]

hmmm yeah they killed all the utahs and played with no fear so mabye but all of them hacking? seems unlikely but who knows

[faint folio]

Honestly may have just been a few hacking that helped the rest of the group out

[brittle mirage]

welp NA#7 is full of hacking tenos then XD RIP

[faint folio]

Still sucks though, sorry

Though raptors are basically 2shot by everything (adults anyway), so that just be how it be. Usually you can use speed and agility to get away (though obviously that doesn't work against cheaters)

[brittle mirage]

lol i expect to be squishy lol ive got over 600 hours of play so not new fs but no way a sub adult teno catches me and turns to hit me with his power attack (feet) full sprinting away as a UT

even so cheaters or not the ability to pack that many players is a problem. They need to take the cannable snappy effect and add it to dinos packs in a certain area of the same kind over a population number

[faint folio]

Yeah. I'm a newer player but I've been chased on my adult teno by a raptor pack before and they were definitely faster XD

[brittle mirage]

no admins leads to overpacking and dead servers

so add things to prevent over packing. give them fleas or mites. make them angry and bitey you know like when you have 100 people at your house and you just wanna get to the kitchen lol

[faint folio]

Though there's really no way to enforce no over packing with in game mechanics. Raptors constantly get away with groups bigger than 8

One way would be to make hunger drain faster than players can maintain in a full group

[brittle mirage]

but if you add penalties for being that close to too many others of the same kind you get sick ,lose health regen, reduce grow ETC.ETC

then i dont have to run from 80% of the lobbie hidding in the same bush XD

[faint folio]

I really feel like the issue was less the number of tenos and more the hackers though. Yesterday I did a 5 Utah pack against 5 teno plus a few babies. Took a while but we did start picking them off when they messed up, got tired, kicked each other (a baby died despite none of the Utahs touching it)

[brittle mirage]

if you woulda seen the pack of 15 running out of the woods at us a min ago you would say other wise XD

tenos playing like carnis is not okay XD

[faint folio]

A few died from cumulative bleed due to darting in for bites and out again rather than the normal baiting

Eh. Some Herbis are aggro in real life-- hippos, zebras, even moose. I don't have issues with herbis fighting. But again, hacking making them way overconfident in a victory

[wise rune]

@gloomy reef just fly bro, you're a ptera

[gloomy reef]

i had no stam, and its stupid af if a baby teno could take on a fully grown tera.

and somehow the kick did more damage then my bite lol

and it stunned me :/

[wise rune]

fair if you had no stam, thats your fault but a juvi teno should kill a pt

they only weigh 45kg what do you expect

[gloomy reef]

45kg vs a 3 kg baby teno

a tera is like 10x its size.

[wise rune]

was it fresh out the nest?

[gloomy reef]

it just spawned in

[wise rune]

then it isnt 3kg

[gloomy reef]

like fr popped out of nowhere

[wise rune]

yeah a fresh juvi teno kicking a lightweight bird seems reasonable enough to kill it

[gloomy reef]

and its a baby teno lol, They shouldnt be able to kill a fully grown tera its unfair.

[wise rune]

you can fly???

[gloomy reef]

i had no stam

[wise rune]

its balanced to the point where you cant really brawl them on the ground

[gloomy reef]

and he just spammed kick

[wise rune]

thats unlucky, save your stam

[gloomy reef]

i killed 1 baby stego and 2 baby utahs at the same time oof

I crashed and 1 baby teno popped out of nowhere and merked me.

[wise rune]

i do it on a daily bro its not hard to save your stam

[gloomy reef]

i couldnt tho

I was fighting loads of stuff, i saved as much as i could lol

[wise rune]

how did you crash>

[gloomy reef]

Last utah

jumped up and caught me

[wise rune]

a baby?

[gloomy reef]

Yep

[wise rune]

lmao sorry but thats just a skill issue

[gloomy reef]

First time playing tera.

[wise rune]

but back to the main point a fresh teno is capable and should be capable of killing a full grown pt

[gloomy reef]

that isnt balanced tho

[wise rune]

yes it is

[uneven mist]

how big were u? as a ptera

[gloomy reef]

fully grown

And 1 baby teno killed me

[uneven mist]

ok give me a sec, ima check something

[gloomy reef]

K

[uneven mist]

how big was the teno?

[gloomy reef]

fresh

Like spawned in right infront of me

[uneven mist]

ok so ptera weights 2 kg more than a fresh teno (or it depends how long the teno spawned because the teno could go up to 46 is a matter of seconds) so it really isnt that wierd that a fresh teno can 1 shot it or 2 shot it (depends where it hits and if you were already low and so on) pluss its a kick to either the face or the body and since ptera is so lightweight it cant take a punch (fuck a fresh teno is 43 but its 46 in the picture i took)

[wise rune]

^ should be able to kill easy

[gloomy reef]

but the size diffrence

[uneven mist]

size means nothing comaped to mass if that was the case then quetz would be insanely strong and wouldnt be a glass canon

you were just unlucky that the teno spawned there or that you ran out of stam

shit happends

and ptera is really lightweight like said so it could be able to fly, same with quetz

[wise rune]

^

you just gotta be smarter with your stamina next time

[gritty terrace]

@opal mirage you ever heard of the square cube law?

look it up it will explain it

[proven river]

[worn urchin]

i hope beipy comes with next update

[sudden hinge]

Yeah ptera is a scavenger and small don’t land near things that may kill you

[uneven mist]

@hollow vault here’s its model and it was mentioned in proto’s consept

[hollow vault]

I know, but I just wish it was shown more

[uneven mist]

Same, I want to se more of our dragon

[hollow vault]

What I meant is just for it to have actual concept art

[uneven mist]

Yeah hopefully we get one soon™️

[hollow vault]

The idea of a burrow raider is pretty interesting

[uneven mist]

Yeah and I wonder what it’s venom would be like, mabye like how Komodo’s venom work

[candid fiber]

@hasty dagger To clear up your confusion about my confusion about other peoples confusion: Growth % is (as far as I know) the % of your growth time you already have behind you (including hatchling), if you grew at constant speed. It may or may not correlate with model size (it should for things like Utah, but it shouldn't for things like Deino, because of their respective growth curves). What it definitely isn't is your mass % or stat %.

However, people dislike that fact and rather want to see their stats being in line with the % shown, so switching from growth progress to stat progress does that. You lose the reference to the actual growth time, but in the end your growing speed isn't quite as constant anyways.

The basic physics part is about model size, which realistically should be proportional to mass^(1/3) - by square cube law - so everyone who just wants the stats buffed to correlate to growth % is on a very wrong path that leads to super dense juveniles, that are way too heavy for their (model) size. So the "correct" way to correlate the growth % and stats is to change the display to match the stats, not the other way around.

[hasty dagger]

Ohhh that makes a lot more sense lol

[prime orchid]

whats the duration of the day and night cycle now?

[jagged jewel]

@fiery wraith what's the confusion

[fiery wraith]

swamp deino? I'm just not sure what i'm looking at

[jagged jewel]

it's a deino with moss all over it from being in swamp water

look at between its eyes

[fiery wraith]

OHHH sorry. I thought that was just the new skin options

[jagged jewel]

ah it's alright

[last lily]

@jagged jewel Gone, reduced to atoms. The interactive moss will be missed

[jagged jewel]

the swamps were planned to be so cool, but it's all just barren now

[uneven mist]

@foggy bolt it wil. Floods, droughts, storms and mabye wildfires. Just check here for yourself https://trello.com/b/G5tsb4XI/public-roadmap

[foggy bolt]

The dev have a habit of splitting updates or removing things from updates. Hence why I posted it. If they don’t release it fully it’s not worth it

[opal mirage]

This is a dinosaur video game, not everyone wants to look at there stats and say “Oh thats right! The square cube law!” If it says im 50% in stats then I want 50% of my stats, it also still doesn’t make sense how the hell I gain 500 pounds in 2% growth??

[icy lion]

It doesn't say you're 50% stats, it says you're 50% grown in time

[opal mirage]

True but that still doesnt explain all my weight coming in at 96%, it should be around 50-60% which 99% of living creatures grow a lot in their adolescence 🤨

[opal mirage]

@arctic nest Ikr imagine seeing an almost fully grown Rhino and the tour guide tells you hes 300 pounds like wtf

[arctic nest]

gota love the isle

[fathom tulip]

@tardy talon And even then, people saying feathered Utah wouldn't be as scary have a really weak argument. I think those people are forgetting that Utahraptors are larger than polar bears, with two 9.5 inch claws that are attached to extremely powerful legs, it could practically cleave you in half with a kick. I also think the real Utahraptor's round pupils (that eagle eye look) would add a lot more intimidation than the slit crocodile eyes it has in-game

Basically people who say that are the "6-foot turkey" kid from Jurassic Park lol

[tardy talon]

Well, yes a real life utahraptor would be scary, but at least for me, seeing this in the isle would not be as scary as the current utah design. I think some modifications from a “truly accurate” utahraptor are needed to make it really terrifying.

[uneven mist]

i dont think people think a realistic utah wont be terrefying because it would but im more woried about its balance

[fathom tulip]

Also there's the argument that it doesn't need to be intentionally designed to be a scary lizard monster, It can just be an animal, because that's what it is. The "fear" comes from the situations you are in, not the designs. I don't think I have ever once in my 1,300+ hours playing the Isle been like "That dinosaur LOOKS scary", its always "I really hope that thing doesn't see me" or "Did I lose it? Does it still see me?"

[neat venture]

im new here so ppl probs have asked this but why is there no night vision in evrima?

[fathom tulip]

It's coming in the next update

[fathom tulip]

It's the main thing being worked on right now

[neat venture]

ooh okay, thanks!<3

[fathom tulip]

Check this out: https://trello.com/b/G5tsb4XI/public-roadmap
It's a roadmap for the games updates

[faint folio]

@tardy talon I'm not sure why most paleoart makes Utah raptor (and raptors in general) look fluffy. We've got plenty of examples of modern raptors (eg birds) that both are scary, and look scary, without having shredded feathers. Case in point:

(encyclopedia Britannica online)

(San Diego zoo website)

(American bird conservancy website)

So many birds look pretty fierce and would be terrifying if you supersized them to Utahraptor size, even though they are fully feathered like their Utah cousins.

[proud coral]

@grim bolt Fracture severities are already planned 🙂 How exactly they will work though is unknown.

[faint folio]

Also, out of curiosity is there any evidence that the raptors didn't have feathering on their snout?

It looks odd that they always have bare skin only around their mouth and not elsewhere, despite the fact that most animals continue to have their chosen skin-covering (scales/feathers/fur) all the way down their face, though face coverings are usually much shorter/finer if they're present (even most birds have minimal feathering on their face around the beak if you look closely). It makes me wonder if there's evidence that they really didn't have feathers on their face or if artists do it because they're related to birds

[grim bolt]

Good to know

[faint folio]

Even vultures, cassowaries, and ostriches all have peach-fuzz face/neck feathering you can see in high resolution photos

As an aside, I think one thing that hurts the "scary" factor of most feathered raptors is that raptors largely have prominent brow ridges (even with the isle's current Utah model) that read to humans like a frown or angry face. Most reconstructions, though, feather the face heavily enough that obscure that ridge so the giant turkey looks friendly instead of hungry 😂 but in modern birds of prey that ridge is still very prominent giving them a fierce/predatory look despite being feathered. Taking care to keep the "eyebrows" strongly visible even while feathered would probably help Utahs look scary

[gritty terrace]

yeah that is a different issue, the game should not be like that personally but the weight is fine

[opal mirage]

Imo the current weight of adults is good, but the rate at which you get it is a bit silly

[gritty terrace]

well it is kinda how it works

it may be a bit too exponential but that is how it works

[jagged jewel]

because that is not a utahraptor

utah is bulkier and taller

if utahraptor somehow wasn't extinct, it would be the largest land predator

being larger than polar bears, and likely being able to pin things like rhinos down by itself, or in a pair

if you think feathers make a dino not scary, i'm sorry but you're wrong

is a grizzly bear not scary because it's fluffy?

[fathom tulip]

Already covered all that

[tardy talon]

In real life, a grizzly bear is scary, because it can kill you. Design wise however, bears look cute a lot of the time.

Im talking about utah design wise in my post. I never said feathers weren’t scary, in fact the whole point of my post was that feathers are scary if done right.

[jagged jewel]

and a utah cannot????

[tardy talon]

A utah can in real life where it can kill you. Not in a game where dying isn’t a huge deal

[past thunder]

ok so here is something that happens quite frequently that bothers me. I have a Geoforce RTX 2070, and with my current settings that allow me to have a smooth 58-60 fps for most of the time, the moment any combat happens my frames instantly start jumping from the capped 60ish that I have set, to 5-14 which usually results in my death. Is it my graphics card, or the game? Other games I do not have this problem and I am genuinely curious.

[thorny lynx]

It's the game. I have a feeling the devs don't know what they're prioritizing anymore.

[tardy talon]

I mean, it’s common knowledge that the game is horribly optimized, but is your cpu good?

Could potentially be the cause

[past thunder]

let me get the specs

[thorny lynx]

A cpu bottleneck could most definitely cause your gpu to underperform, but even still, the lack of optimization in this game is terrible.

[past thunder]

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10875H CPU @ 2.30GHz 2.30 GHz is my processor

How do I prevent bottlenecking?

[thorny lynx]

I have an i7-6700k and I get around 4.5GHz

Kinda shitty processor is that

[thorny lynx]

Find our what cpu socket your laptop or desktop has and what upgrades you may be able to use with it your processor is shit compared to your GPU.

[past thunder]

oof XP

i'll have to look into that

[thorny lynx]

Find out what cpu socket your laptop or desktop has and what upgrades you may be able to use with it your processor is shit compared to your GPU.

find the model your laptop or desktop by searching System and About in your search bar, then look up the socket available for the model, then what cpus are available that can fitn

If you cantvupgrade, you may need somebody to install a better motherboard

A gpu of that quality should have a processor that can reach 4-5ghz without overclocking

I think. I'm not an IT guy but I do know that your processor is bottlenecking your GPU, most definitely.

[gritty terrace]

this

cassowaries are terrifying and they are feathered

[thorny lynx]

Grizzly bears are terrifying because they can kill you with those half-foot claws and teeth that can crush bowling balls.

But they're cute. They're saying that cuteness does not always undermine a creature's fear factor.

Grizzly bears can go from rolling around and playing with their feet to charging at 30 miles an hour in a few seconds.

[jagged jewel]

Same goes for utahs

Except bigger claws and stronger bite

And bigger animal

[thorny lynx]

Cute, right? Until it steps on you or until you realize it can swallow you whole.

[jagged jewel]

Seeing a utah come out of water would be terrifying

[nimble nebula]

do we already know that hit tracking needs to be fixed/worked on because hits are hitting/missing when they shouldnt

[faint folio]

@tardy talon I wouldn't say that is allo winning against a parasaur. I'm sure that scratch hurts but that parasaur doesn't look like it's on it's last legs. Rather it looks like it's just after the allo started an ambush, seconds after the start of the fight

[tardy talon]

The para isn’t even fighting back though, it’s just running. And it definitely proposes the idea that para is feasible prey for allo to hunt, which it shouldn’t be.

It continues the trend of para being the concept art punching bag.

[trail carbon]

Is there a glitch there if you click rapidly as deino you don't actually bite?

[faint folio]

bears have been known to run from cats, even though bears shouldnt be scared of cats, and would win a fight for sure. just sheer surprise can make animals do silly things.

[tardy talon]

Assuming that was what we saw being showcased (which I doubt since concepts generally show possible gameplay interactions), it still arises the problem of representing a para as a feasible target for a solo Allo

[proud coral]

Every concept has the respective creature winning fights n' such. Pretty sure even the devs have pointed that out. 😛 Especially with fights varying wildly, just because Para is seen being attacked doesn't mean it's ALWAYS gonna get attacked and have to run.

Magy and Cerato's concepts are a good example of this. In Magy's, it's seen knocking over and cutting a Cerato. But in Cerato's, it's seen literally biting a Magy's head

[tardy talon]

Yes, I acknowledged that in my original post. But like I said there, they could have easily included more fitting prey such as a teno or Maia, or shown multiple allos hunting the para.

My biggest problem is that it makes it seem like para will be a viable target for a single Allo, which I really don’t think should be a thing.

[barren crater]

That honestly depends on the size of the para we'll get.

[tardy talon]

Both in the concept art and irl, para is twice the size of allo

[barren crater]

Yeah, but it depends on allos tools. Is it a bleed heavy? If it's anything like utah pounce, it will be great against creatures 2x your size (even way larger). Also the devs have said time and time again that size won't be the only deciding factor in fights. Also who says a para can't destroy an allo in actual balance. This is merely showcasing mechanics and potential prey for allo.

[tardy talon]

Utah still has to pack up to take down a teno mate.
Like I’ve already said a million times, this concept art tells us that it’s reasonable for an Allo to solo hunt a para, which I disagree with.
If it showed them hunting in a pack, it would be fine.

[barren crater]

(Teno is larger than 2x for a utah, more closer to 3.5x its size) But yeah, fair enough you disagree that allo shouldn't hunt solo. We'll just have to see how it ends up although I suspect 2 allos is probably going to be what you want to have a good chance against a para. I can see balance ending up like that.

[tardy talon]

Yeah but the problem is the concept art doesn’t show that. It shows an Allo actively hunting a para twice it’s size, and the para running away. I just don’t want para to be as useless as it was in legacy, but the concept art hasn’t helped with that.

[barren crater]

Fair. We'll just have to see Para's concept + in game performance. It won't be faster than allo so probs need a few good attacks of its own.

[limber hull]

Ye surprising lack of groupwork shown in allo art

[barren crater]

Yeah slightly disappointing. Carno of all creatures showed some team work lol

[violet magnet]

hell, acro was shown using teamwork to hunt an anky in its concept art

[barren crater]

Yeah, was expecting like a hunt on some larger game in packs tbf. Maybe a shant or something along those lines

[cinder fossil]

I’m just glad we got something

[barren zephyr]

Could possibly be a mating pair? That would make a little more sense to hunt together maybe

[barren crater]

Tbf, group limits are a type of rule - and they didn't want rules. Also, now with the skin system, you can still group up with people past your group limit since you'll know their colours

The only time it was semi useful was update 4.5 and before, since you wouldn't know if that random player was a part of your group or not if you were in a megaherd / pack.

[sudden hinge]

group limits arent a rule when its something intended in game

the fact that it will also be toggled on private servers shows that

[mystic acorn]

Knowing how skilled players can be i dont doubt some allos could take down a para solo. But I agree it shouldn’t be the norm or encouraged. For para allo would need a group

[zealous violet]

Waddia mean toggled for private servers? Officials shouldnt have limits at all imo. But thats also in regards to the chaotic messes they were in legacy.

[maiden anvil]

@tardy talon I even think allo should have the advatage over para in most cases. Para is far too overrated when it comes to para vs allo battles in this community

[urban flax]

Eat grass and Die moment

[last lily]

Be nearly twice the size of the animal attacking you, and still not have the advantage.. Smh, foolish herbivore, thinking you can defend yourself.

[urban flax]

Just like always people overreact to the slightest bit of information they get... We saw a concept art of an Allo scratching the side of a running para. That is all. I saw people say "allo nearly killing a para"
"Para running from allo" and things like that... Duh it's just concept art. And dinos in concept art are shown to behave like animals, not like players actually do in-game. A para would 100% merk a lone allo, because I don't see it running away from one at all.

[last lily]

I personally just want Para to feel nice to play. Doesn't have to an expert at combat as long as it can defend itself from reasonable threats and run away from those it can't fight(with an animation that actually works, and isn't buggy )

[polar tiger]

@graceful meteor (sorry couldn’t reply to your feedback) it’ll probably be at least >6 years until allo is out seeing how it’s not even on evrima’s roadmap sadly. I’m not even exaggerating especially since evrima was released over 2 years ago and right now we only have 1 new dino added since then which is pachy …

[low canopy]

speedy para > tanky wanna be apex para that is still fodder

[uneven mist]

@bleak atlas might be also because in everyone’s consept they kick ass and are badass, I guess when paras consept comes it wil defend itself from an allo but yeah I agree

@jagged jewel I really like that idea for acro and to basically make it more of a brawler than allo and giga

[bleak atlas]

@latent olive better?

[latent olive]

👍

[jagged jewel]

i saw it tries to gang up on the anky so my idea was actually somewhat correct which i like

[bleak atlas]

Yeah i was in stress and didnt have time to correct or look what i wrote, so some parts didnt make sense xD

[uneven mist]

Yeah and to make it have the best nv out of the apexes and a pretty good brawler would make it more unique agains giga

[jagged jewel]

giga should be the sauropod hunter, but apart from that focus on smaller things

[uneven mist]

Indeed

[limber hull]

para should be tanky enough to take hits but VERY quick for its size. Not that fast in terms of the smaller roster, but it leaves many apexes in the dust

[coral yoke]

glad ur all enjoying discussion, im just looking forward to allo when we eventually get to play with it

[limber hull]

@next glade they are lmao. Concept art is just concept art, the concept artist isn't taking away from the programming, level design or art of the game, they're just drawing concept art

[next glade]

im talking about they do videos of the weather and trail camera with cerato

not concept art

and humans too

[limber hull]

humans are planned for U6 which I believe is still planned for this year

[next glade]

why dont they just focus on the current game and the current update

[next glade]

planned for this year? do u have evidence for that

[limber hull]

there's a screenie somewhere but I don't have it on me. I can search for it

[next glade]

because they still have to do update 5.5

from a developer statement or just someone in this discord

[barren crater]

Dev statement. Kissen specifically stated it

[limber hull]

yea that

[next glade]

okay but why show us stuff for update 6 if update 5.5 isnt even out

[limber hull]

as for the weather/trail cam, they've likely put a ton of effort into animating during the periods where animations aren't as needed on new/upcoming animals and want to show it off in a fun way

[limber hull]

because U5.5 is quite small in comparison, and many of the devs are working on U6 already since U5.5 is purely a programming thing atm

[barren crater]

#isle-discussion message - Punch comment

[next glade]

thats good but 3 updates in 4 months

i dont think it will happen

[barren crater]

Because the community can ask for content and the devs can give it. Specifically - a lot of people wanted allo concept.

Wrong ping - but you get the message

[barren crater]

Fair enough. 5.5 is complete and ST should be getting it soon

[next glade]

if 5.5 is complete why dont they release it

[limber hull]

cause it aint tested yet

its in the hands of QA atm

[barren crater]

It may be feature complete - but that doesn't mean that feedback isn't taken into account. So they'll tweak it to see what is most acceptable. Which is why after QA - the ST will see.

[urban flax]

What does update 5.5 contain already ?

[limber hull]

Night Vision

[barren crater]

Also lighting changes

[limber hull]

and probably some lighting/balance changes

and knowing these devs, a random sneaky feature that no one expected lmao

[urban flax]

Oh lightning changes will be welcome
We might finally have a lightning system that looks good in every hour of the day

[barren crater]

Yeah, can't wait personally. Been a long time coming

[limber hull]

i'm excited for U5.5 because I loved it when night was scary

[barren crater]

Same. I also hope that stego has poor NV and utah has decent NV so that nights are intimidating even as the 6T monster.

I'll immediately play my stego if that's the case lol

[limber hull]

deino and dryo better have better NV than utah istg

[barren crater]

Oh definitely. Makes no sense if they don't

[limber hull]

deino just makes realistic sense and dryo is just giving it ANY FUCKING NICHE

and frankly dryo fits for the role of night goblin herbivore

also out of the four carnivores, i'd give carno the worst NV (and buff it in other areas so it's better during day)

[urban flax]

I'd say dryo's NV should be second only to troodon (and dilo maybe)

[limber hull]

nocto herbi niche infinitely more interesting than "fodder that's playable"

[urban flax]

Yes
But burrow will be good too

[limber hull]

https://c.tenor.com/ZezsFuiFB48AAAAd/both-is-good-both.gif

[urban flax]

Well you can't be a burrower animal without good night vision that's counter-productive
That's like being a semiaquatic that cannot swim

[next glade]

tru

[limber hull]

spino

[urban flax]

no

[limber hull]

:)

[next glade]

im excited for troodon thought to hunt in the night

[limber hull]

troodon funny

[valid zephyr]

yeeee nocturnal dryo!

it's got big eyes, and it makes sense for a deer type niche

[valid zephyr]

god I hate that.

the model has a huge and powerful tail on an aquatic...

can't swim.

[urban flax]

Rex can swim
Carno can swim
Allo can swim
Bary can swim
Sucho can swim
Alberto can swim
Utah can swim
But for some reason out of all theropods spino couldn't ?

[sudden hinge]

They plan to be able to be changed by private servers but no group limits are important mega packs and herds are bad

[limber hull]

reminder rex probs is the best swimmer of the apex trio

[urban flax]

I hate you

[last lily]

Why do you hurt me this way

[zealous stone]

Rex was likely pretty good at swimming, but it seems pretty weird for it to be better than spino.

I get gameplay over accuracy, but what is the gameplay reason to not allow Spino to swim?

[urban flax]

They say "hippo walking"
Because devs seem to be among the people who think hippos can't swim

[limber hull]

https://c.tenor.com/EIIiMeao-zYAAAAM/2020got-me-like-is-it-over.gif

[zealous stone]

Imagine your trying to catch a fish and it just swims upward so you can't reach it.

Spino would have a hard time in deep water since anyone who could swim could just camp above it.

[uneven mist]

Or wil it

[urban flax]

Also spino drowning because it decided to go a little too far into water and couldn't get back to the shore in time

[urban flax]

"deep water"

[uneven mist]

I know

[valid zephyr]

Even if the isle model doesn't have the tail fluke, it's tail is still very long and powerful looking.

It definitely should be able to swim, and fast.

[limber hull]

god i hope it gets a tailwhip

just to piss people off more

massive powerful tail iconic for swimming

still powerful

cant swim

[versed fjord]

is it me or are packy players the most degenerate people that play the isle got swarmed by 5 or 6 carnos they had a packy that just helped them kill me after i killed 2 of them smh

[urban flax]

dw there are players much worse than that out there

[versed fjord]

oh i know

[barren zephyr]

like me

[burnt bone]

There is 1 reason why: bonk funny

Plus, that pachy was mixpacking, any Dino mixpacking is aids

[onyx stag]

<@&505047238674874368> stego running a million miles an hour in NA 2 killing everything in nw it wants. figured i would let you know, lol for sure seems like a quality and balance issue that should be sorted before more people get mad about the cheater and stop playing . not sure if this is where i should put it, but im new to the game. enjoying it so far. new fan.

[burnt bone]

You should have put that in #evrima-na

[onyx stag]

thank you, just joined this discord. found what was relavent because this player sure is making the NA 2 server a joke atm.

[burnt bone]

All good

[lapis swallow]

@zenith cobalt the devblogs drop once every month

[zenith cobalt]

That's still not frequent enough.

[lapis swallow]

it is enough or else we are not getting much info out of them

[zenith cobalt]

Things like it being way too dark for a good chunk of the game for instance. we're playing on a black screen. I wanna know if they're okay with it

So im supposed to wait a month to know XD

[lapis swallow]

u 5.5 is very close

[zenith cobalt]

it should be a hotfix, not an entire update, if im honest. things that hinder gameplay should take priority

which is why im sayin, they should address certain feedbacks

[lapis swallow]

the update is very close, no hotfix needed

[zenith cobalt]

My suggestion is because this happens on more than just this occasion, on periods where there is no update near. and tbh, the devblogs sometimes dont even address some of the feedbacks people are giving out.

i'm not bashin them, im trying to help them have more open communication. it would also help people to stop suggesting the same things over and over again

People want to feel heard. Specifically replying to people in this way will do just that

[urban flax]

@opal mirage Just so you know, they are actually hiring. Thing is, it's hard to find competent devs willing to work on an indie dino game with a rather bad reputation...

[opal mirage]

Oh alright, had no idea

[coral yoke]

I mean as to spino swimming, can it not just launch itself from the floor of the body of water that it occupies, decent middle ground if they want it to naturally sink back down to the bottom. Would allow it to target things above and ahead of it with a burst of speed.

[urban flax]

That's a weird mental gymnastic just to have it so spino can't swim (which again, has nothing backing it up and makes 0 sense at all)

[honest anchor]

"Update is very close" But what does that mean? To me that is a couple days. But it could really mean a month, two months. If it isn't within a day or two, the black night needs removed/fixed. :|

[keen imp]

Need to change cooldown timer to 100 seconds need to a must please

[fathom tulip]

Bruh

@vernal jacinth

We all put like the same suggestion 3 times in a row lol

[faint folio]

Lol. The discord message is a good idea (and my suggestion was a bit long so I could see them not scrolling above it and seeing yours)

[fathom tulip]

Hey at least it shows that its something we really want

[vernal jacinth]

The more who do it. Better chances of them actually finally listening to their players.

[fathom tulip]

👆

[faint folio]

Yeah your suggestion reminded me of Day of Dragons, which has both an official server restart channel in the discord and an actual in game message/warning system

[vernal jacinth]

Heck even path of titans has a ping system already put in place.

[faint folio]

There's not many things DoD implements that are better than the isle, but this is one of them. And it works great

But honestly I feel like the in-game message would not be that hard to implement-- the mechanics are all already there. I've seen an admin send a server wide message before (yellow text). Add a timer after you hit the shutdown/restart button for the server, reuse the admin broadcast system (just paint the color red instead and tie it to the timer) and you're in business

That being said... As a programmer myself, I fully recognize that tasks that seem easy/plug and play often turn out to be anything but 😂

[uneven mist]

@cobalt galleon dibble consept

[cobalt galleon]

oH

im dum ty yayy dibble

Is there like a site where you can see all of the isle concepts so far

[uneven mist]

Some are in the roadmap and some are in #phase-two-archive https://trello.com/b/G5tsb4XI/public-roadmap

[cobalt galleon]

Thank you

[uneven mist]

But I could send you them

[cobalt galleon]

Ooo that'd be nice

[opal mirage]

@quasi vault A good way to eliminate this issue is to make certain food give 2 diets, but if you put that in their you will get a🧂 so its an issue with a fix nobody wants

[quasi vault]

thats literally what I suggested

[opal mirage]

OH I DIDNT SEE IT LMFAO

I was just reading it as you sent that

[quasi vault]

I just want bodies to actually mean something

ya know?

[opal mirage]

good suggestion, I would rather have slower diet drain but I like urs too

[quasi vault]

theres a problem with that

[opal mirage]

Or simply slow down hunger drain 😄

[quasi vault]

the problem is the megapackers

I dont see may of them anymore, which is great

[opal mirage]

Thats fax

[quasi vault]

We also dont have much to do other than killing

[opal mirage]

Megapackers sucks but not as bad as mix packers

[quasi vault]

mad fax

[opal mirage]

ye nesting for carnivores is impossible rn

[quasi vault]

honestly

thats another problem with the hunger drain

[opal mirage]

yep

I guarantee something will be done about it in 5.5

[quasi vault]

And semi prevens afk growing but not rlly

[opal mirage]

A good way to fix AFK growing is so if you sit in an area for a prolonged time without moving a certain distance you can be smelled

[quasi vault]

I would prefer to see a different approach at preventing AFK growth

[opal mirage]

damn alr

[quasi vault]

velo ai

[opal mirage]

one day

[quasi vault]

Or literally any carnivore AI that would spawn when something isnt moving for a long time

Velos would keep juvis one their toes at night

I think we could have some rlly good scary experiences with them

[opal mirage]

I just want to be able to play carno solo without having to spend 1000 hours getting good

What i mean by that is not having to fight mix herders lmfao

If I die i dont get mad because I suck ass

[quasi vault]

yeah

we need more herbivore competition so they cant always be grouping up in megaherds

give herbivores some of the same diets

and less plants overall

not by much, but less

[opal mirage]

People get so pissed when utahs and carnos work together to get a kill and survive, but ooooh noo its totally fine if half the server is tenos pachys and stegos making it impossible for carnivores to hunt

[quasi vault]

eh, I get more pissed at the carnivores

I lied

[opal mirage]

I hate both im just making a point

[quasi vault]

nothing is worse than body camping stegos

[opal mirage]

fax

[quasi vault]

bro why even add stego

[opal mirage]

fr

[quasi vault]

Utahs can kill em, sure, but you dont see that happen too much because most utahs are trash

even with the new busted pounce

Its sad, because utah actually used to take skill

[opal mirage]

damn am i really that ass with carno?

[quasi vault]

?

[opal mirage]

i can never kill utahs

[quasi vault]

Nah

Utah is busted

[opal mirage]

Im one of the 3 casual players that currently play the isle

[quasi vault]

The pounce on utah pretty much gives it aimbot

no timing necessary

[opal mirage]

yep

Carno ram takes good timing, i know this because i suck absolute ass with the ram

[quasi vault]

I considered myself a utah main

And I was good too, but now whats the pont

[opal mirage]

Carno main and Utah main getting along, how strange.

[quasi vault]

Its too easy, and theres practically no skill gap anymore

[quasi vault]

because imma change to a carno main

because now its the one that takes skill

[opal mirage]

Ive always disliked utahs, main reason is because their broadcast is the most annoying thing I have ever heard

at least pteras are reassuring the world isnt dead lmfao

[quasi vault]

carno is worse

*was

[opal mirage]

I agree, but I like it up close, it sounds awesome up close

[quasi vault]

It used to be just carno calls all the damn time

[opal mirage]

ye ikr

[quasi vault]

but now theyre smart and dont do it that often

[opal mirage]

I just wanted to play my favorite dinosaur without being portayed as a villain because i played carno lmao

[quasi vault]

I always hated players that just spam called, especially if youre packed with them. they give away all element of stealth anf surprise

[opal mirage]

yes

especially for carno, utah, and teno

[quasi vault]

I used to hate it because lets be fair, it used to be busted

[opal mirage]

yes i know it was

[quasi vault]

But now it rlly takes skill

[opal mirage]

I played carno since legacy and I will play carno no matter how good or bad it is

it could have 50 bite force and id still play it

because its cool

[quasi vault]

I got a bone to pick with legacy carnos tho XD

[opal mirage]

I never grouped up in legacy

[quasi vault]

they were easy to kill and were kinda renowned as collective dumbasses

[opal mirage]

LMAO

thats amazing, sounds like my kinda dino

[quasi vault]

I used to have a joke where all legacy carnos share a single braincell, and every time one of them wants to do something meaningful it has to borrow it

[opal mirage]

LMFAO

im stealing that

[quasi vault]

gIvE cReDiT dAmNiT

[opal mirage]

lol

[quasi vault]

XD

But anyways, utah is poopoo

so sad

[opal mirage]

Yeah

[quasi vault]

they made my baby a mouth breather

[opal mirage]

lol

[quasi vault]

Dont blame u at all for dying to utahs

[opal mirage]

It has to do with utahs pounce being a bit busted and me sucking ass

[quasi vault]

Just try to stay defensive if youre bleeding

[opal mirage]

ye I figured that out the hard way

[quasi vault]

but the problem with that is even if the utah gets hit while jumping onto a pounce it doesn't stop it from landing

[opal mirage]

its pretty silly

[quasi vault]

What I like to do is use the map to my favor

[opal mirage]

the vulnona?

[quasi vault]

find a straight away area that you can corral them into

then charge and watch the magic happen

@potent plinth roast them harder why dont you XD

[potent plinth]

I mean, no offense I know how hard it is but I've worked with some indie game devs here in Montreal, there's programs to learn and to do stuff and you can accomplish so much so fast with out a budget, this guys have a budget and this guys make little tiny updates like this in long periods of time. I mean POT in comparison does so many updates and brings so many new dinos, and have all this mechanics and each dino has their own way of fighting. The isle in the mean time, look all the time it took them for the barebones of nv.

[quasi vault]

well lets be fair here, the isle is a lot better quality than POT

POT animations are... oh god

[potent plinth]

The Isle is a very pretty game with lots of lag and poor performance that can be run by very powerful computers

I would understand if they are creating something new, but NV is not new it has being done for a long time.

[short iron]

@tardy talon do you have gama on?

[tardy talon]

I haven’t played it myself yet but I believe both of the pics I posted were with gamma on. Without its even darker.

[short iron]

yes i also think so

[lean relic]

they should just go back to the legacy nightvision

[uneven mist]

i mean...Legacy NV was basically "If you're not Dilo, log off"

[violet magnet]

this was the best legacy nightvision and i will die on this hill
i actually got spooped when walking near the pitch black shadows and in dark forests because of the sense that something could jump out at me and i wouldn't see it coming
i did not get that from the grayscale nightvision with limited range, most of the time i was just annoyed

[lean relic]

OMFG THAT IS BEAUTIFUL!!!!! ... wow that is like the birth of the isle yes..
i remember these days. This nightvision was so unique and breathtaking. I side with you ❤️

[left storm]

Gone are the good ol' days

[violet magnet]

even when nightvision was off you could still see at least a little

but THIS was ridiculous
you got this by turning shadows to Low, but it was fixed in subsequent updates so even with shadows on Low you still were stuck with the pitch black shadows in the forests and valleys

[limber hull]

i like the new NV more than the look of that

that just looks like day with a greyscale filter lmao

[robust anchor]

I would like the Alberto to be in Envrima

[fathom tulip]

@gloomy reef Do they not already have lips?

[gloomy reef]

nope

There teeth are sticking out. Like carno.

[fathom tulip]

Wait really-? I normally play utah, I swore it had lips

[gloomy reef]

Yea utahs have lips but carno doesnt

[fathom tulip]

Troodon has lips in its model btw

[gloomy reef]

And i want future carnivores to have lips.

[gloomy reef]

fr? Lets goo

[silent current]

I honestly would of preferred legacy nv colored than this..it literally hurts my eyes and I really don’t want to migrate to pot or bob for a game risking my eyes straining from flashing black and white

[gloomy reef]

I dont wanna see a trex with his teeth sticking out. I wanna see da lips the isle da lips.

[gloomy reef]

Yay

[silent current]

I feel like colortac nv is a thousand times better

[fathom tulip]

I wonder why carnos lips dont extend all the way down?

[silent current]

This but a radius around your dinosaur and the spooky night fog we had during update 4

[limber hull]

id honestly rather they flesh out the existing NV than do that

[silent current]

The colored one is colortac night vision

[fathom tulip]

Yeah the Nigh vision is baffling to me, it what world does any animal see nighttime like what was shown off today?

[silent current]

It literally strains my eyes just watching people play it

[limber hull]

probably because it isn't done lmao

[silent current]

Or because it doesn’t work to begin with

[fathom tulip]

Like... animals that see at night just see night but... brighter

[limber hull]

it looks decent in my eyes, just needs fleshing out

[fathom tulip]

Not with a weird filter

[silent current]

Dude you clearly don’t understand some people have epilepsy..

[fathom tulip]

Animals dont see in the dark with white outlines.

[limber hull]

the flickering is absolutely not intended lmao

[silent current]

Flashing black and white that’s more bland and monotoned than even legacy nv can literally send someone to the hospital

[fathom tulip]

It is completely nonsensical

[limber hull]

I am aware. This is a videogame. This is how they're doing it

[silent current]

It looks terrible and it literally hurts my eyes

[fathom tulip]

It being a "video game" doesnt mean it has to be garbage

[limber hull]

It's honestly not garbage imho. Looks cool, especially with how it blends between dark and lit up areas

[fathom tulip]

Even legacys night vision was better than this

[limber hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1009974273252798484/nv_3_1080p.mp4

This is cool as hell

[fathom tulip]

Yeah it doesnt make any sense...

It just feels cheap and lazy

[limber hull]

Legacy NV was quite literally slapping a filter and a greyscale on your screen and calling it a day, how is this the cheap and lazy version

[fathom tulip]

Because its just turning on a white cell-shading filter over a pitchblack landscape

[proud coral]

I much prefer this new NV over legacy's "unless you're Dilo, just log off" NV. Of course it needs improvements though 😛

[tardy talon]

Maybe if the outlines actually looked intentional it would be good. Right now it looks like a glitch, and also barely visible half the time.

[limber hull]

i also still prefer the way it blends with light and dark, a good idea with the addition of humans, since it means a flashlight will still reveal you from well away

[proud coral]

[tardy talon]

It still has the same issue of being radius-based and the problems that come with that. The only issue it fixed is that it isn’t subtractive

[tardy talon]

I’m sorry but what does this message mean

[proud coral]

What's wrong with being radius based 😮 I mean I'd really like if there were more factors to NV than just range but it seems fine to me

[fathom tulip]

Here is our night vision (top) vs a cats (bottom)
The whole idea behind being able to see at night is that your eyes take in more light. So nightvision should just be... brighter. Not some cheap outlines

[white torrent]

They didn’t want them too lol

[limber hull]

it means you can still see lights in the dark rather than having a strict cutoff on vision like legacy

[fathom tulip]

And being that IRL nightvision isnt even that cool I dont understand why they insist on it even being a thing in game

[limber hull]

also idk whats wrong with radius based NV?

[tardy talon]

The reason legacy vision was “if you’re not dilo, log off” was because the visual radiuses were abysmal for the other Dino’s. If they keep the really small radiuses of legacy it still has the same problem.

[white torrent]

I don’t think they are gonna just go back and slap lips onto existing models

And they definitely aren’t gonna remodel them just for lips

[proud coral]

From what I've seen, it looks like you can see more than just a few feet ahead of you 😛

[tardy talon]

Oh yeah, that’s a good point.

[tardy talon]

Depends on where you are, plains are abysmal rn.

[fathom tulip]

[tardy talon]

Sometimes the outline doesn’t even show up on your own Dino.

[fathom tulip]

Talking about the design choice.

[proud coral]

Legacy's radius had the issue of everything being so absurdly small except Dilo's which was MASSIVE. But from what I've seen, it seems the default range is a lot better.

Of course it's gonna change on release apparently with different things having different ranges. Guess we'll have to see then 😛 I do wish there was more than just range as a factor though. Like maybe clarity

[tardy talon]

Yeah, or just brighten it up for nocturnal boys

[fathom tulip]

^

Which is what nightvision actually is

[proud coral]

I still like the idea of both this NV and a legacy-ish NV. Where the outlines serve for purely navigating and the lit up radius being different shapes/sizes which serve as the more unique per-species night vision.

[tardy talon]

To clarify, I didn’t mean night vision should just be brightening. I meant the addition of brightness for nocturnal dinos could be cool.

[limber hull]

pretty sure this is just the testing phase and radii are subject to change

[proud coral]

Yeah someone showed me Punch talking about Utah likely having good NV earlier 😛

[limber hull]

i hope dryo and deino have better NV than utah tbh

[proud coral]

Mmhm

[silent current]

this is what a good majority of the nv looks like you lose any horror aspect that could only be achieved with making it darker and than you have ugly uninteresting black and white instagram filter

[fathom tulip]

It's exactly like one of those "photobooth app" filters lol

They were like:

BOOM. Nightvision.

I mean maybe it will grow on me, I hope it does, but it just looks so bad rn lol

[silent current]

Yep all I'd need to do is darken the lighting and bam theres your isle night vision

[fathom tulip]

I FOUND IT

2nd on the bottom

Thats exactly the filter I was thinking of hahaha

[potent plinth]

I mean they could tweak and polish the LEgacy version and add and remove whatever makes it work for each dino

Its nice to see just a small range around you and the glowing eyes of the dinos near you, the wall of darkness brings a very scary feeling that you don't wanna move

If they are aiming for a horror style game, the Legacy version was in the right direction

[silent current]

exactly

[potent plinth]

I just can't understand that nobody in the dev team couldn't point this out

[silent current]

can't believe theres people eating this dog vomit and proceeding to call it "so so wonderful"

[fathom tulip]

I think if they have to do nightvision, the triceratops cave scene in Prehistoric Planet has a nice look

[potent plinth]

Yeah they could polish the LEgacy version to this

[inland apex]

give stego and ONLY stego legacy level of not being able to see night vision until its balanced because we all hate stego

[potent plinth]

Even Outlast did a better improved version of Legacy

[fathom tulip]

[proud coral]

"Darling!"

[limber hull]

stego having bad NV isn't even a bad idea tbh

tiny eyes and brain in comparison to body, plus its niche gives it no real need to have an advantage in the dark

[obsidian fable]

Brain size doesn't always correlate with intelligence. Parrots are as smart as human toddlers but their brains are tiny in comparison.

[limber hull]

brain to body ratio does matter, not the size of the brain alone

a rat is intelligent despite having a "small" brain

but that's because the brain is small in comparison to our own, just like how all of their body is small in comparison

a stegosaurus is confirmed to have a very small brain casing for its size, and is believed to be not at all very intelligent in comparison to many other species

[barren crater]

I doubt stego required any brain power to attack anyway and eat

[obsidian fable]

What you’re really doing is searching for excuses to give herbivores really bad vision when at least during the day their vision was actually really good. https://ag-safety.extension.org/do-cows-have-similar-vision-to-humans/

[limber hull]

I don't want herbivores to have bad NV

[barren crater]

I mean, forget IRL. Stego of all creatures deserves bad NV

[limber hull]

I'd be pissed if dryo had worse NV than utah

[barren crater]

It's a large, defensive creature that lives in the plains

[limber hull]

But stego REALLY has nothing to make it reasonable to give it better NV than its peers

It's not carnivore bias, it's a matter of thinking that "nocturnal stego niche" does not make much sense. Carno and stego should not have great NV, dryo and deino should, for example

[obsidian fable]

https://worlddeer.org/can-deer-see-in-the-dark/

[limber hull]

Dryo should have a deer-like night vision, very good and capable of navigating and fleeing at night. I still don't think this argument makes sense in regards to the stegosaurus having poor NV

[obsidian fable]

Huh. Turns out cow night vision isn't so bad. I'm not saying their night vision should be good but it shouldn't be the worst in the game. https://faunafacts.com/cows/can-cows-see-in-the-dark/

[limber hull]

Okay, first of all, stego ≠ cow, second of all, if stego does not have the worst NV, what should?

I don't see the benefit of making the big land apex herbivore that lives in plains also have good NV

[obsidian fable]

I didn't say it should be good but it should be decent. The cow night vision article explains why cows need it to be and it's for the same reasons for stegos.

[frozen heron]

I mean, this is gameplay over realism

[limber hull]

okay so then what SHOULD have the worst NV if not stego?

[frozen heron]

Stego is the biggest herbivorous apex in-game, it doesnt need to spot anything from afar just because its that tanky. An ambush from any of the current roster wouldnt do anything to it

[obsidian fable]

Hmm depends are we talking current roster only or entire planned roster?

[limber hull]

i'll say current

because i'm not advocating for stego to have the worst NV of every animal possibly planned

i'm advocating for it having the worst NV among the roster upon NV's implementation

[obsidian fable]

Hmm. After researching Stego admittedly should rank lowest out of these but I still think stego should have the equivalent of cow night vision since the two get compared so often and share some commonalities niche-wise. Clear at close range radius 10 feet, average at 15 foot radius, then barely any definition beyond 20. So yeah it's not seeing far but what is within the close range should be clear. Among the herbivores for night vision I'd say maybe something along this line. Having an irl animal equivalent makes it easier to research into and some basis to build off of.

Pachy = goat. https://farmhouseguide.com/can-goats-see-in-the-dark/
Hypsi = flying squirrel https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.northwestwildlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/northern-flying-squirrel.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjM7djv_NH5AhU7hIkEHXbfBM84ChAWegQIGRAB&usg=AOvVaw34VJOk6Hpc5U52_tV3iybu https://kidadl.com/facts/are-squirrels-nocturnal-find-out-where-they-go-at-night
https://www.interviewarea.com/faq/do-squirrels-have-night-vision
Dryo - sugar glider. Would have gone with rat but they rely more on smell than sight at night. Turns out a lot of rodents use smell more than sight. https://www.exoticnutrition.com/sugar-glider-anatomy.aspx#:~:text=As nocturnal animals by nature,gray – and the color red.
Teno = pronghorn - https://amazing-animals-planet.com/post/do-antelopes-have-10x-vision
Stego = cow. https://faunafacts.com/cows/can-cows-see-in-the-dark/

[limber hull]

That's fair. Dryo having great NV is still an awesome idea

[obsidian fable]

Ironically the new night vision is already quite similar to what a sugar glider can see. They only see in shades of gray and red but have a wide range, so the outlines would work well for it. I agree Dryo having good night vision does make sense. I suppose Dryo could have pronghorn vision though and teno switched to deer. Otherwise teno would have the best night vision. Pronghorn apparently have insane night vision. There's jokes about them being able to see the rings of Saturn at night. Not quite that good but the articles do emphasize binocular night vision. It's some interesting reading.

[minor laurel]

I don't know if making NV animal related realistic or with the advanced military system is the good choice anyway. Their are more inconvenients than benefits to me at this stage.

They pushed their talk about the horror theme for the night and all. Outlines aren't scary and just kill all the ambiance night could afford by annihilating bloom and atmospheric fog. An older night vision with a real night ambiance would be better for the horror category.
Graphics are taking a bite of it. We see bushes as odd tuft from afar, entire parts of map won't load but you see them empty and flat. No DOF, no bloom, no atmospheric fog, no moon which are part of a gloomy night to me.
Pretending i won't see the poor way graphisms are taking >
Even on streams from people playing at night on the stresstest, viewers can barely see something.. it is media related but how do you stream The Isle on twitch when from dusk to dawn ( 3/4 of the time.played) your viewers can't see a thing ?
The graphic loss due to the shader of the night is totally awful.
Screens are pitch black and their gamma security thing should be rethink in the total opposite way. Making the night seeable as it was with the atmospheric fog and code some anti cheat to reajust gammas when you launch the game
Actually most of people use gamma just to see, not to cheat. It is kind of sad that developers don't understand that.
Their will always be people that will abuse even with a more seeable night but we can report them at last.
I haven't other solutions for gammas cheating actually but most of the players shouldn't be punished for some cocky ones anyway. At least with seeing something, people that are not using gammas will have a chance to see and defend themselves against cheaters during night time.

I wasn't surprised that when the Islander live came frome 70% of 250 person answer "no" to his "Do you like the new night vision?" Question.

[limber hull]

@bleak bison we already have every single concept art of everything "close"

[urban flax]

We don't have human concept

[limber hull]

do... do we NEED a human concept art

[urban flax]

Yes we do
We're gonna see them sniping dinos from a mile away it's gonna give a very good insight on how they're gonna play out

[limber hull]

i will be sad

[urban flax]

You will experience what I feel when I see spino not swimming in its concept

[limber hull]

yea except spino not swimming doesn't ruin the entire game for every playable dinosaur

[urban flax]

I'd be really pissed off when I play dryo and see a spino that cannot swim
Might uninstall the game
And I'm sure many others would too

[limber hull]

you fat liar

:(

we both know sniper rifles will be worse for the game

[proven river]

@bleak bison we already have concepts of all creatures that are close so it doesn't matter

[bleak bison]

This is what I mean. Plus since we’ve seen the concepts there’s nothing more they could show us?animations?skins?abilities? Calls? Etc

[limber hull]

there are different people working on different things

the person working on concept art is specifically working on that and nothing else

so when they get a new concept art, they might as well share it

[proven river]

right

[limber hull]

even if it's not soon to come

[proven river]

and also the "animations skins abilities calls etc" would mean the development wouldn't be on the creatures that are going to be coming soon which would be crappy

but I'm also pretty sure allo and rex are using the same models and skins

and the abilities were pretty well showcased in concepts too

and tap talks about the concepts in each devblog so there is writing behind them to look into as well

so allo abilities will be talked about in august devblog as were rex's

[bleak bison]

I mean for the animals that are soon

[proven river]

then by that logic, tapwing ain't working on the animations lol

[bleak bison]

My point is I’d rather see things of animals thatre soon rather than something that’ll come out in like 2 years time

Tapwing is an artist not an animator

[limber hull]

@timid flower its a decent idea, but doesn't our current sleep do that but better? You lose no food, no water (sure you don't grow but meh).

[bleak bison]

Unless I’m wrong

[limber hull]

the problem I see is people will just probably log instead during nighttime

[proven river]

exactly

[bleak bison]

So?

Does that have any relevance to my point

[proven river]

that means that she showed the concept when she finished it

[bleak bison]

More like when they said she can show us

[proven river]

and the rest of the team is working on animals that are coming

[bleak bison]

Obviously?

[proven river]

yes

so the animation, skins, abilities and calls etc are completely unrelated to the concept art

[bleak bison]

Obviously

[proven river]

so what's your point?

[proven river]

this is what I'm confused about

[bleak bison]

I don’t think you got my point. My point was I’d rather see concepts,skins,animations,abilities and calls for animals thatre soon not over a year away,like allo

[proven river]

ok, so do I, they're not doing skins animations abilities and calls for allo

[bleak bison]

Ik

[proven river]

and the concept for all creatures coming soon are done

[bleak bison]

Ik using allo as an example because it’s not going to be out for ages

[proven river]

I don't think you see my point either lol

[bleak bison]

Probably not tbh

[last lily]

Same

[proven river]

ehh ok lets leave it at that lol

[timid flower]

This is more so for people who want to be immersed and still remain ingame and not be punished for not playing if their creature has poor NV whilst allowing creatures with good NV whether carni/herbi to be more active.

[limber hull]

which i understand, but it just seems to me like people will just advocate to log for safety

[timid flower]

And its sad that you're most likely correct. Making NV a pointless mechanic unless there is ai or such that only spawn at night.

[fierce lintel]

#general-feedback message a assume you mean this for really big drops and or really heavy animals, because falling off a 15m cliff as a utah and being stuck broken on the floor doesn't sound appealing

[balmy gust]

@timid flower "With the introduction of NV and a proper Day/Night cycle, a sleep mechanic should be introduced down the line.

This mechanic would allow playables to rest (not just laying down) in a state of torpor, which would significantly reduce food/water decay, but also growth in non-adult creatures (so as to not be abused for afk growing).

This in turn would promote creatures with poor NV to stay idle/seek safety during nighttime without worry of starving/dehydrating, and promote nocturnal creatures to be active during those times and rest during daylight hours."

I like the idea! Why not make this 'sleep' only available during night to solve the afkgrow issue? (And not stop growth) Except of course when the animal is nocturnal, then same thing but reversed

It would drag the growth period too much if it would slow growth, so no one would use it.

[urban flax]

Falling a 15m cliff as a utah should be instant death tbh

[limber hull]

@vivid needle the limited range of legacy NV made navigation a near impossibility